Mainstream TV Media Drops The Ball On NSA Ruling, Instead Devotes Attention To JonBenet Ramsey
Mainstream TV Media Drops The Ball On NSA Ruling, Instead Devotes Attention To JonBenet Ramsey
Yesterday, a federal judge in Michigan issued “a sweeping rebuke of the once-secret domestic-surveillance effort the White House authorized following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.†The ruling was “a significant blow to Bush’s attempts to expand presidential powers,†but you wouldn’t know that by watching last evening’s network newscasts.
All three major TV networks led their evening news with stories on JonBenet Ramsey’s death and the comments made by arrested teacher John Mark Karr. The networks offered multiple segments and numerous expert analyses to provide in-depth coverage on the legal case. The NSA decision received only a passing mention from two of the newscasts, while ABC devoted a full segment to it.
Still, ABC devoted twice as much time to Ramsey as it did to the NSA story. More egregiously, CBS offered seven times as much airtime to Ramsey as it did to the NSA story, while NBC devoted 15 times more airtime. Below is a comparison of the allocation of time made by each network:
| NETWORK | RAMSEY SEGMENT | NSA SEGMENT |
| NBC | 7:39 | 0:27 |
| CBS | 3:23 | 0:25 |
| ABC | 4:03 | 2:00 |
As CBS host Bob Schieffer wrapped up the Ramsey segment, he reassured the audience, “We’ll stay on this case. That’s for sure.â€
UPDATE: Jeff Cohen offers an explanation for why the TV newscasts are focused on the Ramsey case.
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Maybe more pedophiles watch 24-hour news than do civil libertarians.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:38 pmWilliam Safire:
“Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend — all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as ‘a virtual, centralized grand database.’
“To this computerized dossier on your private life from commercial sources, add every piece of information that government has about you — passport application, driver’s license and bridge toll records, judicial and divorce records, complaints from nosy neighbors to the F.B.I., your lifetime paper trail plus the latest hidden camera surveillance — and you have the supersnoop’s dream: a “Total Information Awareness†about every U.S. citizen.
“This is not some far-out Orwellian scenario. It is what will happen to your personal freedom.â€
August 18th, 2006 at 1:39 pmMaybe they know it will be appealed.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:41 pmThis just in the world is on fire and everyone will die in two days. But first we have a four part segment on the blond rich girl that has been missing on a Carribean island since eight months ago.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:41 pmExactly. It’s amazingly fortuitous coincidences like this that make me think that mabye (just mabye) John Mark Kar has offered his ‘confession’ at the clandestine behest of the administration, who have promised that the case will go nowhere at best and insanity plea at the worst, and that he’ll be out doing book signings and the talk show circuit inside three years.
(I know…the tinfoil hat is a bit snug today…)
August 18th, 2006 at 1:43 pmAs sorry as I feel for the dead girl and her family, I am getting tired of the media’s coverage of the case.
I sensed the media were going overboard, I didn’t realise to what extent they have abandoned the reportage of important issues that affect us all in favor of stories that, at the end of the day, are largely unimportant to the lives of the vast majority of Americans.
The media’s trend towards tabloid-style reporting, and yellow journalism cannot bode well for the health of a democracy.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:44 pmThis is why it is so important that Democrats use a percentage of their money to buy prime time air time. I think it should be mandatory.
Does anyone here remember a PSA from the early 70s where a husband calls his wife to tell her she doesn’t have to eat to feel better? (She takes the call while she’s openning the refrigerator.)
Anyone?
August 18th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#4, it really doesn’t matter if it’s appealed. It is the biggest news story of the last 5 years. The President is breaking the law and violating his Oath of Office and facing impeachment, and gets 25 seconds? the fact it will be appealed makes it a BIGGER story.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:45 pmDid you expect anything else from the media?
August 18th, 2006 at 1:46 pmAnd the Ramsey case is important to my life because…..Get with it Media, you guys SUCK!!!!
Texas Juice
August 18th, 2006 at 1:49 pmwhy does the president violate the constitution?
August 18th, 2006 at 1:49 pmYes, there will be an appeal. I heard that this morning on KPFK (listener sponsored public radio). Strange how 10 years later, all of a sudden, in an Asian country of all places, they find someone who is a prime suspect in the Jonbenet Ramsey murder case. And the timing seems so perfect, so perfect to distract the public, yet again, from what’s going on in OUR White House. First we had Martha Stewart’s trial to distract, then we had Michael Jackson’s trial to distract, and now this. It seems too convenient to me to ignore. Way too convenient. PS: Also heard on the news this morning, there are huge gaping holes in this guy’s story. I’m going to call BS on this. I don’t buy a word of it.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:50 pmIt’s the worst.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:50 pmWe’ve been seeing it for a long time now.
It probably won’t change any time soon.
Not until they are purchased by someone with a different agenda.
I personally can’t tune into it, ever. Makes me vomit.
Mighty Aphrodite is the reincarnation of JonBenet Ramsay. Strut your stuff, girl! Oh, I forgot you’re actually a big fat man. How lame can you get?
August 18th, 2006 at 1:51 pm#10, Might ahat. The case doesn’t need to demonstrate ANY INJURY, and the judge basically said that when she ruled she didn’t need to see “classified information to explain illegal behaviour”. It is straight forward case of did the President follow the law and the constitution, and the answer is no. I’m sure the criminals involved will appeal, they always do. And you should be worried if the Supreme Court were to reverse this judgement, because you can go to Gitmo as well as anyone else.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI’m so sick of JonBenet Ramsey. You’d think there was nothing else going on in the world. The mainstream press is so shallow and into sensationalism. Ugh!
August 18th, 2006 at 1:54 pmlike the supreme court declared, just a bunch of war criminals
August 18th, 2006 at 1:54 pmIt’s called the Dumbing down of America, the network news executives realize that a story that is more like a soap opera, no real depth to it, simple to follow plays out to the american people so much better than say a story about a judge shooting down the administrations illegal spying program or a story about another hundred or so dead civilians in Iraq.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:54 pmAnyone as smart as mighty knows there is no “National Security” offered by the left or right. Yet here she comes, over and over, like a paid whore.
Turdles….
August 18th, 2006 at 1:54 pmThe Bush administration can basically do or say anything they want for the next couple weeks and get away with it completely unnoticed. Meanwhile we can count on the MSM to shove the Ramsey case down our throats 24/7.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:55 pmWell if those pedophiles ever mount an attack on Americas Constitution the MSM will have it totally covered.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#6
August 18th, 2006 at 1:58 pmGregor, I agree. I, too , feel such sorrow for this family. Being the father of 4 children, I cannot imagine the pain, the suffering, the pure horror of a child being murdered. BUT, the national attention to this particular crime is pathetic.
About 5 years ago, an elderly couple and their daughter were brutally murdered about 10 miles from where I live. It was horrific, from what I gathered through the LOCAL media. I say LOCAL because that is where it stayed. To this day, it is an unsolved crime. My question, then, is WHY IS THIS CRIME NOT GETTING NATIONAL ATTENTION??? Why is the Ramsey murder more important then theirs?
Meanwhile, barely a whisper about the judge’s ruling regarding warrantless wiretapping.
# 3
If you do not think that is already being done you are mistaken. There is not a day that goes by that you are not on some video tape. and everytime you use a credt/debit/atm card you ttransactions are being recorded and entered into a database. thsi is so the companyies that you have the card with can track what you purchase and when.
So I say if you do not have any thing to hide you have nothing to fear!!!
August 18th, 2006 at 1:58 pmThe Media got it’s orders from the Crap Cowboy aka George Bush and they did as they were told. Notice how important news like that fact that our troops are being killed daily isn’t on the news but the trash gets the headline. What an out cry by the media for the bad words Mel Gibson said but no one cares about the troops who die in Iraq because Iraq is having a civil war and we’re in the middle.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:00 pmMore propaganda.
From CNN.com:
Please…somebody call Pete and inform him that warrants were granted for the intelligence collected that we shared with Britian. While you are at it, tell him that this ruling targets only the warrantless wiretapping program.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:02 pmThe Judge’s best line: “There are no hereditary kings in America.” Take that, Bush.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI checked on CNN.com this morning…
the MOST SAVED, MOST EMAILED, AND MOST PRINTED lists
IS the story about he Court Ruling…
BUT you know what story gets all the splashy headlines?
Yup, JBR killers confesses…
Does this mean that the general public is more attued to what is really important…well at least someone is paying attention…
And two days ago on CNN the big breaking story was “Britney Burps”…
August 18th, 2006 at 2:02 pm#17 – 10, “The case doesn’t need to demonstrate ANY INJURY, and the judge basically said that when she ruled she didn’t need to see “classified information to explain illegal behaviourâ€. – bones
*******Dear bones – As usual you’re wrong. You have no standing to sue based on what you “think” may have – perhaps, kinda, sorta ….happened to YOU. Go back to Matchbook U and ask for a refund on that law school tuition….
August 18th, 2006 at 2:03 pmRepublicandemocrat&independent — August 18, 2006
That was from 2004.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:03 pm#30 , no asshat you’re wrong because evidently an actual FEDERAL COURT JUDGE AGREES WITH ME, so I guess you’re the one who doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:05 pmMaybe because they realize that the ruling of one district court judge (especially such a poorly reasoned one) is not that significant or newsworthy.
I love when liberals get so upset when the left-wing media occasionally doesn’t do their exact bidding.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:05 pmmighty aphrodite
It’s hard to prove injury when your prospective clients are renditioned and then skinned alive in some dirt floor gulag.
But I’m sure I’m only turning you on so I’ll leave it at that.
Turdles….
August 18th, 2006 at 2:06 pmSo the news that the Bush run Department of Homeland Security WAS involved with the capture of the “suspect” does not seem so strange now does it……..
If todays news media spent a tenth of the time on issues that affect ALL Americans instead of two or three family members (Natalee Holloway, runaway bride, JonBenet), this country would never vote Republican ever again…..
August 18th, 2006 at 2:07 pmGood Faiz. I was talking about this yesterday in the NSA ruling thread.
Every channel on the cable news network had dedicated ever waking hour to this 10 year old murder case, like it was somehow important to any of us.
Its not.
Its a 10 year old murder case.
Its important to the family. Its important to the killer. But its NOT important to Americans in general.
They make it that way because she was white, pretty and the story was “sensational”.
The whole thing sickens me.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:07 pmI love how the fascists belittle what they disagree with instead of PAYING attention and thinking about why a federal judge might make the ruling she did. It doesn’t mean you have to agree with it, but let’s face it, to belittle the decision of the judge is ridiculous, she’s not making judgements based on the fact she’s a Carter appointee and therefore automatically ruling against Bushbaby. This rhetoric is bullcrap, and shows the repugs can’t and won’t think.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:10 pmPlease keep telling this story. Media must be held to a higher standard. Perhaps the black eye that will emerge as this story unravels as a hoax will embarass the media into fact finding.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:10 pmThe President broke the law–that is a huge story-worthy of serious journalists.
Dear bones – Before you get that refund from Matchbook U, please give the class your definition of “standing” – and I’m not refering to your vertical torso propped on your vertical legs. (P.S. The ACLU did a good job of “judge shopping” – a CARTER appointee – -tee-heeeee)
Back later….
August 18th, 2006 at 2:10 pmThey make it that way because she was white, pretty and the story was “sensationalâ€.
Comment by WORFEUS
DING DING DING DING….
August 18th, 2006 at 2:11 pmand folks, there you have it!!!!
There was child in Michigan that was abducted then murdered. Her charred body was found last week. Why isn’t the media having a “frenzy” over in Detroit?
The DLC are Frauds
That still holds true for this time!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:12 pmPS: Also heard on the news this morning, there are huge gaping holes in this guy’s story. I’m going to call BS on this. I don’t buy a word of it.
Comment by Gay Bear — August 18, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
I posted yesterday that it all seemed just “too convenient”.
The same day that a ruling burns Bush, suddenly, magically, someone comes forward and confesses to a 10 year old murder. A republican looking clean cut mealy mouthed guy comes forward and says out of the blue, “I DID IT”.
Kinda lucky for the President, huh?
Guess they knew people weren’t going to buy another terrrorist threat story.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI think that some of these wingnuts have a lwer IQ than W, if possible .
August 18th, 2006 at 2:14 pmWhy isn’t the media having a “frenzy†over in Detroit?
Comment by DRxJ — August 18, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
Because she was black maybe?
Remember. The only kids who count on the main stream media are shirley temple lookalikes. Blonde hair, blue eyes a as white as the driven snow.
:|
August 18th, 2006 at 2:15 pm“This just in…a Federal judge has ruled that the President has broken the law…oh look, a bunny” The MSM suffers from ADD.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:15 pmThe plaintiffs did exhibit injuries. The clients of the lawyer would no longer talk to him on the phone so he had to fly to the Middle East. The scholar could no longer do his research because the people he needed to interview were afraid they would be wiretapped. Similarly the journalist could not get his story. Being prevented
August 18th, 2006 at 2:17 pm#39, evidently you are crap as an attorney, I never said word one about “STANDING”, you did. If you want me to explain what you said I will. You spout crap and then you try to explain your crap with more crap. i hope that explains your posting to you.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#45
EXACTLY
If the victim is rich and white…Instant Media Attention
August 18th, 2006 at 2:19 pmBlack, and low income? Forget it!
Republicandemocrat&independent
That was Safire’s warning about Poindexter and TIA. Yes, TIA is a reality. Even after congress killed it.
Ask mighty about it. She seems to respect law. I’m sure she’ll explain it “better”.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:20 pm(No body, no crime -or in mighty’s case, her body is a crime. All stretched and barely containing the sulfer odor).
The plaintiffs did exhibit injuries. The clients of the lawyer would no longer talk to him on the phone so he had to fly to the Middle East. The scholar could no longer do his research because the people he needed to interview were afraid they would be wiretapped. Similarly the journalist could not get his story. Being prevented from doing your job is serious injury. Being forced to fly halfway around the world is injury. Read the opinion.
(Sorry for the previous truncation)
August 18th, 2006 at 2:20 pmMA is belittling the decision because it scares the hell out of her. The idea of the omnipotence being drained from her Reichfuhrer is a staggering notion, and she has to dismiss it to convince herself that Fantasyland is not coming to an end.
Sorry MA.
Americans want their country back now.
You guys were about done playing anyway, right?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:20 pm25: I have nothing to hide. What I fear is that what I don’t hide is going to be filling up the government databases and slowing down the processing of the obfuscated data from the competent folks that do have things to hide (which will look very similar to the obfuscated data of the paranoid people who don’t have anything to hide, but without all of the porn). What I fear is that the government will get distracted by the side data of lawful folks and miss out on the chance to work against terrorists. Kind of like blowing $8B in Iraq means that we’re not blowing $8B on homeland security or dealing with Iran or North Korea. Focusing on the wrong thing costs just as much as focusing on the right thing, but with rather worse results.
Have you seen “V for Vendetta”? Interesting little scene where a surveillance van is going around and figuring out what all of the citizens are talking about. Nobody gets arrested, nobody gets tortured, but the data is aggregated to the government so that the government can issue a set of talking points to the media to change what the public is talking about. Meanwhile, they fail to catch the terrorist. Never mind the brutal Stalinist nature of that sci-fi government, I don’t want my government making that kind of mistake just because the court rolls over on the privacy rights that I don’t particularly need.
A true conservative would look at the amount of government oversight it would take to effectively run a total information awareness program and balk; such an “Orwellian” device is pure Neo-con construction, all of the pro-capitalism of a traditional conservative with a bigger, fatter government to facilitate than any liberal would dream of.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:20 pmOh and don’t forget to clean up the mess you guys left.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:20 pm#8
And when it is appealed it will make it an even BIGGER story. It’s going to have to be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court to get the coverage you and others are looking for.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:21 pmWhy shouldn’t the networks publicize the fact that Republicans want to take a big steaming dump on the Constitution? It’s right before and election and Americans should care that Republicans hate the Constitution!
Oh, THAT’S why the networks are not publicizing the news. If you tell the truth about the current administration, who’s going to vote for their failed policies?!?!?!
Poodles!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:21 pmActually, I think Mighty Aphrodite is belittling the decision because she knows how poor the judge’s opinion was and how likely it is the decision will be overruled.
The judge’s opinion is a political document –not a legal one.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:23 pm#56- you are incapable of understanding even the simplest post. If you have a court declare the President of the US is breaking the law and is ordered to stop it immediately, it is a big story that wouldn’t/shouldn’t get 25 seconds. As usual the MSM defaults to republofascist wishes. hell Clinton getting a hummer got more than 25 secs.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:24 pmTracy,
It will only be a story once Bush says it is a story. The MSM are just a bunch of Bush lapdogs. If the MSM was liberal as you wingers like to say, don’t you think everybody here would be happy with them and watch all of the time. If the MSM was truly liberal Bush would have been impeached long ago. But, they are not and he has not.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:25 pmActually, I think Mighty Aphrodite is belittling the decision because she knows how poor the judge’s opinion was and how likely it is the decision will be overruled.
The judge’s opinion is a political document –not a legal one.
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
And again exley, your “PROOF” of this statement, other than your obvious neocon bias is where? Where is the list of cases in her past decisions that obviously ruled against the Administration or the outlandish rulings criticised by her peers, or the number of times her rulings have been overturned? See thought takes proof not gutlessness.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#28
Except Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges who are APPOINTED for life and have no accountability to anyone! LOL!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#54 JMiller
I agree with you but even if the government is not doing it now, there are so many other companies doing it and now even every website you go to is tracking where you go and what other site you go to and what you might purchase online. it is almost impossable to stop this tracking of everything.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:29 pmExley: “I love when liberals get so upset when the left-wing media occasionally doesn’t do their exact bidding.”
Exley, if the “liberal” media doesn’t do the bidding of liberals, how can you call it “liberal.” And, how would you explain the fact that just when it becomes apparent that the next election will be about Iraq, the media stops reporting on Iraq. Why would “liberal” media ignore Iraq if the subject is harmful to republican chances this fall? Note: these questions require a bit of “critical thinking” to answer.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:31 pmBones, that comes from both my own reading of the opinion (I assume you have read it, as well) and the opinion of national security law experts:
Legal scholars said Taylor’s decision is likely to receive heavy scrutiny from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit when the Justice Department appeals, and some criticized her ruling as poorly reasoned. …
Experts in national security law argued, however, that Taylor offered meager support for her findings on separation of powers and other key issues.
“Regardless of what your position is on the merits of the issue, there’s no question that it’s a poorly reasoned decision,” said Bobby Chesney, a national security law specialist at Wake Forest University who takes a moderate stance on the legal debate over the NSA program. “The opinion kind of reads like an outline of possible grounds to strike down the program, without analysis to fill it in.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081700650.html
August 18th, 2006 at 2:31 pmA long time ago
The Democrats
could have bought prime time air
and said:
The White House is running a program called TIA which we voted to kill. We propose the White House stop this trangression and we immediately start funding real security measures here at home.
They could have played it during American Idol.
And you and I and everyone else here would not be sitting here listening to mighty and talking about that little girl Jonbenet.
None of this is mighty’s fault. It is the direct fault of the Democrats who are controlled by the DLC/Democratic Leadership Council.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:31 pmdistrict court judges who are APPOINTED for life
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
You need to take a real CIVICS class, fool!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:32 pmJust another reason to watch “Democracy Now”. That will educate ya. The real stuff.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:32 pmScrew the MSM. They shouldn’t even be called “media”.
The judge’s opinion is a political document –not a legal one.
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
See guys, its political, cause it disagrees with Bush.
ANYTHING, that disagrees with Bush is automatically labled left wing dogma.
What a good little drone you make exley. What a good little goosestepper you are.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:33 pmYes, yes, Bush cultists, the Supreme court will possibly save you here. Just like they recently did with the Hamdan decision.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:33 pmHere is a paranoid hypthesis: Once every blue moon comes a right wing nut job that whacks a liberal. Just their sheer independence seems to suggest they are a product of society. Unfortunately they always seem to just exactly what the government needed to happen. Ie the assinations of Robert Kennedy Jr. Malcom X and John Lennon. With the subsequent arrival of Mr. Karrr and his dubius claim
August 18th, 2006 at 2:33 pmto a major media crime, that propels him to spot #1. The attention that Fox news, in particular, draws naturally away from any severe scrunity of the administration by covering seedy celebrity scandals is pretty breath taking.So I’m really not ashamed to say that I wouldn’t put it past the government to have some how stimulated this guys behavior to draw our attention away, for what duration I don’t know,from the ugly results of the Bush administration’s Toonce’s the cat style car wreck that is currently our foreign policy at work.
67. To save the tax payers money, I would hope they would just “do their own selves in” just like the NAZI’S did! Wasn’t hard – a little cyanide, and a gunshot to the head to make sure the deed was done.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThe judge’s opinion is a political document –not a legal one.
Comment by exley
Well, exlax, for a political document, it sure has Bush all red-faced and worked into a lather today. Heh, heh.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThis is another “Oh you don’t want to vote for john McCain, his wife had a ‘black’ baby” smears that the neonazis love so much. you can’t stand, make your case, and accept judgement so denegrate your opponent in the most vicious, unethical, slanderous ways.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThe MSM isn’t run by reporters anymore – it’s run by bean-counters. Sex and sensationalism sells. Report on the President’s illegal activities and find yourself called a traitor and have your phones tapped.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:35 pmAnd that is only your opinion, which doesn’t count for sh!t.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:35 pmYou know, I am always be loony that doesnt believe a thing the media is trying to sell. No in US, not here, not anywhere. At best, they spit half truths. My opinion on the story about, obviously white little girl and this confessed murderer, is bullshit. Im sorry for the parents. This is America. US lives connected to the media.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:36 pmThe judge’s opinion is a political document –not a legal one.?????????
OMG!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:36 pmWell when we discover this guy that “confessed” was not the killer, we can all applaud the MSM for their little smoke and mirrors show for the prez.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:37 pmThese evil bas%$^ds could care less that this could be the most ethical, religious, giving, loving human being and most honest judge on the bench. No crucify the bitch. They never stopped to look at her record, her life, her decisions, naw takes thought and work, just crucify the bitch.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:37 pmYou don’t have to be a Carter appointee to get slimed. Remember Judge Greer? — a lifelong Republican and Bush supporter, he had the unfortunate opportunity to judge the wrong way for them in the Terry Schivo case. He was slimed and smeared coast to coast.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:38 pmCORPORATE MEDIA – WEAPON OF MASS DISTRACTION.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#60
Considering the ACLU and their ilk have filed dozens if not hundreds of lawsuits around the country regarding the NSA wiretaps and this is only ONE ruiling in their favor I would say it’s really not that big of a story. Now if a bunch of federal courts around the country handed down similar rulings then we might have a story here.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#78, Actually, “Spudge,” it is not solely my opinion. Here ya go again, junior:
“Legal scholars said Taylor’s decision is likely to receive heavy scrutiny from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit when the Justice Department appeals, and some criticized her ruling as poorly reasoned. …
Experts in national security law argued, however, that Taylor offered meager support for her findings on separation of powers and other key issues.
“Regardless of what your position is on the merits of the issue, there’s no question that it’s a poorly reasoned decision,†said Bobby Chesney, a national security law specialist at Wake Forest University who takes a moderate stance on the legal debate over the NSA program. “The opinion kind of reads like an outline of possible grounds to strike down the program, without analysis to fill it in.â€
August 18th, 2006 at 2:39 pmExley, I tried to engage you reasonably. I asked you how a media could be called “liberal” if it didn’t do the bidding of liberals. Do you have a logical answer for that or will you just ignore the question?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#82 – Bluedog49, Of course he was slimed! Becuase of tthat one single judicial decision, he suddenly became an “activist judge”. Now, if he had just done what Pres. Bush wanted him to do, he’d be a “good ‘ol boy” and nobody would have said squat about him.
It’s all about supporting the Republicans over the Constitution, doncha know!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:40 pmYou’re right Bones.
If the Judge was a right wing republican his entire life and never ruled against these guys once, they’d be crying he was suddenly a liberal sympathizer.
Its simple.
Anyone who disagrees with the President gets automaticlly labled traitors, leftists and enemies of freedom.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:41 pmtypical nazi tactic
August 18th, 2006 at 2:42 pmexley,
Hey boy, you wanna post a link? Or does your info come from the Weekly Standard?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:42 pmWell exlax I’ve got a much better CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR, Jonathan Turley and he says:
Turley: “Every time a judge rules against the administration they are either too Democratic or too tall or too short or Pisces. All this spin – this effort to personalize it is doing a great injustice to our system. The problem is not the judge. The problem is a lack of authority. When Gonzales says ‘I got something back in my safe and if you could see it you would all agree with me’. Well, unless there’s a federal statute back in his safe, then it’s not going to make a difference.”
Turley gives us a good explanation of what today’s ruling means. The main thing to come out today is that Bush does not have this widespread Constitutional authority that he claims to be granted by the War Powers.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:42 pmExley: “I love when liberals get so upset when the left-wing media occasionally doesn’t do their exact bidding.â€
If the media doesn’t “do the bidding of liberals”, how can one call it “liberal?”
August 18th, 2006 at 2:42 pm“Entertainment News” like Mel Gibson and JonBenet Ramsey do the GOP a vital service keeping the ever-mounting and increasing failed Bush policies out of the lead TV stories and under the fold of the papers. Unfortunately for Bush Republicans and the neocons, Mel and JonBenet aren’t going to save their ass come November.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#90
August 18th, 2006 at 2:43 pmmy bet is he “cut and pasted” from redstate
#61
“If the MSM was liberal as you wingers like to say, don’t you think everybody here would be happy with them and watch all of the time.”
That’s because everyone here is soooo far out to the left of course they are not happy with the liberal MSM. The NY Times and the LA Times ARE liberal newspapers. The cable channels like CNN and MSNBC…about 60%, 40% in favor of the liberals.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:43 pmI find it interesting that Bush isn’t bitching and whining that the FISA court is holding up domestic wiretapping. Remember, he said we still go to FISA for that.
After all, that is his main argument for warrantless wiretapping. We don’t have time to get a warrant. We’ve got to act fast if we are going to catch the terrorists. We’ve got to prevent another attack. Going through the FISA court slows us down.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#59, Ex Lax,
August 18th, 2006 at 2:45 pmSo now you’re qualified to analyze a Federal Judge’s opinion.
Gee, that means you can join Greta on FUX news to opine about
Nat Hollaway, eh?
Maybe you can get in on the JonBenet chatter / tripe, as well.
Say hello to Greta & ask her what the hell happened to her face,
it’s lopsided & leans to the right. Wait! I think I just answered
my own question.
Warantless wiretapping is illegal, period. It will remain illegal.
Once the new majority enters congress, more than Scooter will
be behind bars. Get used to it, & don’t stand too close to the fire,
you just might get burned.
STOP ALREADY WITH THE LINE DIVISIONS – what the hell does it contribute to HUMANITY?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:45 pmIf the subject of Iraq is damaging to Republican chances this fall, wouldn’t a “liberal” media be hammering home details of this fiasco on a daily basis? And, if the media were ignoring something which could be damaging to republicans, how could one make the argument that it was a “liberal” conspiracy? It’s called “critical thinking,” Exley. Try it sometime.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:45 pmeveryone must continue to put pressure, email, and call up these stations. we were able to hold cnn accountable with their bad reporting. Keep it up.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:46 pmBob Schieffer is setting a good example for Katie Couric.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:46 pm#68
You are the one who needs to take a civics class….
http://www.uscourts.gov/faq.html
“Q: Who appoints federal judges?
Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate, as stated in the Constitution. The names of potential nominees often are recommended by senators or sometimes members of the House who are of the President’s political party. The Senate Judiciary Committee typically conducts confirmation hearings for each nominee. Article III of the Constitution states that these judicial officers are appointed for a life term. The federal Judiciary, the Judicial Conference of the United States, and the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts play no role in the nomination and confirmation process.”
August 18th, 2006 at 2:46 pmTo be extremely left, we would have to be tree hugging, hippy pot smokers. Haven’t met any of those here. The problem is that you are so far right, you think moderate lefties an extremists. I talk to people around the world everyday and I only see your type here on TP and on righty sites. WHere do you people hide? I just got back from Texas, where I though I would be surronded by you people, but guess what? Everybody I met hates Bush too.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:47 pmBlueDog….My exact wording was: “liberals get so upset when the left-wing media occasionally doesn’t do their exact bidding.”
No one here disputes that the news media is overwhelmingly biased in favor of liberals and the Democratic Party. That, we all agree, is beyond contention. What I said is that when the liberal media doesn’t tow the Democratic left-wing line with painstaking exactitude, the liberals get into a real dither. They are not satisfied with the media doing their bidding 98% of the time. The left demands 100% loyalty from the liberal media.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:48 pm#79
Untill the case goes thru the appeal process it sure as hell is JUST an opinion!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:48 pmTracy: “The NY Times and the LA Times ARE liberal newspapers. The cable channels like CNN and MSNBC…about 60%, 40% in favor of the liberals.”
Tracy, would that be the same NY Times that pushed the Whitewater hoax for 5 years after the Resolution Trust Corp determined that the Clintons did nothing wrong? Would that be the same LA Times that recently fired liberal columnist Robert Scheer because the publisher hated him? Would that be the same MSNBC who fired Phil Donnehue even though his show was the second highest rated on the network because he opposed the invasion of Iraq? Can you point out a liberal on CNN? How about Glen Beck? He’s got a new show there.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:49 pmSpudge, don’t embarass yourself. Go to posting #66.
I accept your apology.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:49 pmNo not no no – thank’s for the link. I did read the transcript this morning. And what will the lemmings do? They will claim Cafferty is no body but a left wing nut case. Just LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:49 pm“No one here disputes that the news media is overwhelmingly biased in favor of liberals and the Democratic Party. That, we all agree, is beyond contention.”
No one here listens to your idiotic opinions.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:50 pmExley: “No one here disputes that the news media is overwhelmingly biased in favor of liberals and the Democratic Party. That, we all agree, is beyond contention.”
Oh really. I didn’t know that. Do we all agree with Exley on this? Because, I seem to remember a Democratic President who was hounded by the media for 8 straight years over a string of Republican hoaxes that didn’t amount to anything but a phony impeachment over lying about a personal affair.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:51 pmIt’s all about Bread and Circus : keep the masses entertained on the blood and misery in the world. I never understood this fascination with crap like this : OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson, The Runaway Bride etc…
Has the Rove been afoot in his skullduggery?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:53 pmwho gives two shiites what exley and these other silly aspclowns think about ANYTHING????
they are merely distractions, pus-filled boils on the ‘taint’ of humanity. we must focus on mobilizing the far left to force change… preaching to these silly trolls is unproductive. they lie, they only know lies. ignore them and they might just go away. who needs them?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:55 pm114. I AGREE!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:55 pmDemocrats are going to have to buy balanced coverage.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:56 pmDemocrats are going to have to buy balanced coverage.
Democrats are going to have to buy balanced coverage.
Democrats are going to have to buy balanced coverage.
Democrats are going to have to buy balanced coverage.
And let’s not forget…
Source.
For the simple-minded among us:
1. Bush had the opportunity to change the rules but didn’t do so because they’d “possibly” be unconstitutional.
2. Bush ended up doing it anyway and just didn’t tell anyone. Wait…he told 8 members of Congress who he then swore to secrecy about it.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:58 pmAnd if you go to cnn.com you see that friggin’ Karr’s face plastered there 24/7 : like there is nothing else in the world to report!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:58 pmYou note not one of the trolls posting answered so much as one substantive question. They just want to shoot their mouths off without thinking about the crap they spout.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:58 pmWHICH IS WHY I DON’T WATCH!!!!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:58 pmI think a closer look and a whole lot more attention needs to be paid at what is called disinformation as it is used by this administration and the present climate of fear. It’s gone up hasn’t it. Hmm. I wonder why…. Has anyone else noted that ever since the Lamont victory, the news has been absolutely flooded with fear stories? Rapes, terror, Jon Benet, astroids…you name it. More than usual. I believe the government is using disinformation techiniques ( in many cases just flooding the news with these stories..true or not….)to creat a palpable enviornment of fear. The Republicans are coming out blasting all barrels. Fear of everything..not just terror. They want the populace softened up. This needs to be looked into. Don’t ever underestimate the new psyops agenda of this administration. They win at all costs.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:01 pmNo one here disputes that the news media is overwhelmingly biased in favor of liberals and the Democratic Party. That, we all agree, is beyond contention.
Comment by exley
Wrong again, exlax. I dispute it. You are just pissed because the American voters are fed up with being spoon-fed all that BS by Faux News and the major networks who were formerly imbeded with the Administration.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:02 pmThe Republicans are coming out blasting all barrels. Fear of everything..not just terror. They want the populace softened up. This needs to be looked into. Don’t ever underestimate the new psyops agenda of this administration. They win at all costs.
The rise of the FOURTH REICH. We are now officially the RESISTANCE!
August 18th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#105
The problem is that you are so far right, you think moderate lefties an extremists.”
I was thinking the same thing about you! It’s all opinion…and all good. Relax.
“I talk to people around the world everyday and I only see your type here on TP and on righty sites.”
You really haven’t traveled that much then. Maybe it’s all that “fly over” country that Kerry talked about in his campaign.
“I just got back from Texas, where I though I would be surronded by you people, but guess what? Everybody I met hates Bush too.”
Of course you did because it all depends on who you associate with. Believe it or not there are liberals in Texas but the hide out in areas like the uptown area of Dallas. I have people in my architecture firm who agree with Bush on most issues (like me), those the despise him to the Nthe degree and those who are about 50-50. We all go to lunch and we have our little sparring matches but we do it in a playful way and still respect each other’s opinion.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:04 pmI’ve been repeating like a mantra, to anyone who’ll listen, that only two issues really matter: 1) Voting Integrity and 2) The Media.
EVERY OTHER ISSUE IS A FAR FAR SECOND.
Not the Occupation of Iraq, Global Warming, Energy, Tax Cuts, Campaign Reform, Military Industrial Compex, Abortion or any other issue you’re passionate about will be fixed if the public is not accurately informed about it (main stream media’s job). And if the people aren’t accurately informed they can’t vote for change (voting integrity).
The Media creates reality. The media is why 50% of the country still believes Saddam was involved with 911. And the media is why millions believe the Jon Benet case is more important than the president’s unwarranted illegal wiretapping scheme.
Lets face it..if the media covered the president’s unwarranted illegal wiretapping scheme with as much attention and time as the Jon Benet case the public would be OUTRAGED.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:05 pmHey, what do expect? This is America 2006. Where there are people who believe that Saddam was involved in the World Trade Center attacks. Where there are people who believe that Weapons of Mass Destruction were found in Iraq. Where there are people who believe that Saddam had joined forces with al-Qaida. Come on.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:05 pm#119 — Actually, Bones, if you look at postings# 66, 86, and 108, you will see that I (I assume I am one of the so-called “trolls” to whom you refer) answered each question put to me.
I accept your retraction.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:07 pm#52 – “The plaintiffs did exhibit injuries. The clients of the lawyer would no longer talk to him on the phone so he had to fly to the Middle East. The scholar could no longer do his research because the people he needed to interview were afraid they would be wiretapped. Similarly the journalist could not get his story.” Lench
*****REAL (with receipts and travel itinerary as evidence) or projected injury???
Progs ARE good actors….
August 18th, 2006 at 3:08 pmBones – let it go – he tried that tactic on me too.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:08 pmWell, I gotta life, SO I’M OUT OF HERE -
August 18th, 2006 at 3:09 pmToo bad you people can’t do that here. I know lots of republicans and have political conversations with them all the time. No biggy, it is all opinion, as you said. There are republicans here that I have debates with and that is healthy. It is when you folks come on here and spew hatred and lies. That is what is unhealthy and won’t get anything but me calling you names. If you want to debate and start talking like a normal person, then by all means, let’s do it. Me and Mighty Aphrodite used to talk, but she reverted back to the BS, so we don’t talk anymore. There is room for debate, in fact, it is why I come here, but lately, it is all BS.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:09 pm#128, exlax I won’t let you accept my EXCRETION, much less anything else. I wouldn’t want a disease.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:10 pmNews of lowborw Americans.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:11 pm#129 I don’t have the complete transcript of the trial, but I don’t know why you presume that receipts, etc. were not presented.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:12 pmOnce again, post #66 is not yours. It is from DLC are Frauds.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:12 pm#134, Now, Bones, you have every right to feel embarassed that you posted a statement tht I proved was 100% inaccurate. But you don’t have to work yourself up into a lather. Look at “Spudge.” He realized he made an error when I pointed it out and he has accepted my correction with class and dignity. Follow his lead.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:14 pmWhat the hell are you talking about?
I asked you for a link and you pointed me to post number 66, which is neither your post nor does it have a link to your source.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:16 pmWhy do Bush and Gonzales hate our freedom?
August 18th, 2006 at 3:16 pmDo we all agree with Exley on this?
Comment by Bluedog49 — August 18, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
No.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:17 pmActually, Spudge, my posting was at #66 and is now at 67. And right now on my screen #66 is from “BlueDog49,” not “DLCareFrauds.”
August 18th, 2006 at 3:17 pmIt would help if they would only delete the text and not the post.
I will read it and let you know what I think.
It helps to put the link with your paste.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:19 pmExley, i asked you to back up your slanderous staement that the judge ruled against the administration because she’s an evil left wing nutcase. You ignored this completely, not wanting to do the work reviewing her cases overturned, past judicial opinions and whether they are liberal, conservative or what, i asked you back it up with facts concerning her appelate overturns and her perr review, all of which you ignored. So don’t preach to me about how you answeredf questions. you made a hotheaded fascist slanderous statement because you heeard it on O’Reilly or Limbaugh and when asked to back it up, you ignored it. you haven’t answered anything.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:20 pmSpudge, the DLC posting which you see at #66 is at #68 on my screen. The link I sent is currently #67 on my screen, so it should be around there somewhere for you to see.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:21 pmTiVo makes it impossible NOT to notice how much time the lovely (and distractingly lisping) Campbell Brown spends on each story, so I had barely gotten over my outrage about the 8+minutes of jonbenet vs. half minute to the NSA ruling when the fury was raging anew… the coverage of mel gibson’s probation took 15 seconds longer to read than the news that a court had found our president and his regime to have been in flagrant violation of their obligation to uphold the constitution.
thank god for the simpsons (which serve as nightly therapy immediately after the network “news”).
August 18th, 2006 at 3:21 pmWhat – pretty little white girl steals the headlines again. Now, if this was a 10 year old unsolved murder of a pretty little girl of color, the MSM would not be directing all the headlines to the capture of a person of interest. You see, in this society – only white people matter .
Can’t trust the MSM to do the right thing… or to tell the truth.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:23 pmAnd exley, it was a ploy on my part to see who would answer to “TROLL”, note I didn’t name anyone – you answered to it spontaneously.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:23 pmDear lawyer Lench – Greenpeace held standing……..how???????
August 18th, 2006 at 3:23 pmProgs ARE good actors….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 18, 2006 @ 3:08 pm
And repugs are rotten ones.
Which is why we see through your crap everytime.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:25 pmMillions of American soldiers and citizens died/sacrficed for the very rights that Bush/Gonzales are stealing from us. Bush is spitting on the graves and memory of all of them. Will one frickin reporter please ask Bush what law or statute he believes allows him to wiretap without a warrant? And if he can listen to my phone call without proving probable cause how come I can’t see the report listing who met with Dick Cheney to craft our nation’s energy policy?
August 18th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#109
Somtimes the TIMES get a non biased story once in a while.
“Would that be the same MSNBC who fired Phil Donnehue even though his show was the second highest rated on the network because he opposed the invasion of Iraq?”
When you get a Nielsen Rating of 0.1 when your show is in the 7 p.m. CST time slot you tend to get fired. Keith Olbermann took over his slot…I think.
“Can you point out a liberal on CNN?”
Wolfe Blitzer and the liberal queen Kristen Amanpour who thinks that she is such a great journalist that she had to insult Anderson Cooper.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:28 pmThe rise of the FOURTH REICH. We are now officially the RESISTANCE!
This wouldn’t be so funny if Bush weren’t leaving office in 2008 and Anne Diggs Taylor will continue to sit on the bench for her lifetime appointment who was appointed, not elected. Who is acting more like a monarchy here?
August 18th, 2006 at 3:28 pmExley,
You can argue that Taylor’s decision was “poorly reasoned”, but to charge that her opinion is nothing more than a “political document” is wildly off the mark.
Note that the opinions in the article you linked to do not mention any political bias, other than the RNC in their press release calling her a “liberal judge” -which was expected.
Interesting you should try to politicise a legal issue, just like the RNC did, thus avoiding debating the merits of her decision.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:28 pm#111
Somtimes the TIMES get a non biased story once in a while.
“Would that be the same MSNBC who fired Phil Donnehue even though his show was the second highest rated on the network because he opposed the invasion of Iraq?â€
When you get a Nielsen Rating of 0.1 when your show is in the 7 p.m. CST time slot you tend to get fired. Keith Olbermann took over his slot…I think.
“Can you point out a liberal on CNN?â€
Wolfe Blitzer and the liberal queen Kristen Amanpour who thinks that she is such a great journalist that she had to insult Anderson Cooper.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:29 pmWell if those pedophiles ever mount an attack on Americas Constitution the MSM will have it totally covered.
Comment by Gerald Gibson — August 18, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
Damn, Gerald, thanks. I feel safer already.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:29 pm#148…Bones, where did I say the judge was “an evil left wing nutcase?????” Please point it out….Oh, that’s right, you can’t because I said no such thing. I said her opinion was legally-flawed and poorly-reasoned. I then provided an article from The Washington Post with quotes from national security law experts who say the same thing.
Here was my postings regarding the judge’s decision:
Maybe because they realize that the ruling of one district court judge (especially such a poorly reasoned one) is not that significant or newsworthy. Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Actually, I think Mighty Aphrodite is belittling the decision because she knows how poor the judge’s opinion was and how likely it is the decision will be overruled.
The judge’s opinion is a political document –not a legal one.
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
Bones, that comes from both my own reading of the opinion (I assume you have read it, as well) and the opinion of national security law experts:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 08/ 17/ AR2006081700650.html
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
Now, exactly WHERE, Bones, do I call the judge “evil left-wing nutcase????”
Don’t lie, Bones. It does not put you in a very good light.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:30 pmI think after the next 9/11 attack occurs, a class action suit against the ACLU should be waged, suing for billions and putting them out of business.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:33 pmWolfe Blitzer and the liberal queen Kristen Amanpour who thinks that she is such a great journalist that she had to insult Anderson Cooper.
Comment by Tracy — August 18, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
Wolf Blitzer is about as unbiased a journalist you could find. He has NEVER made his political affilations visible during his show. He has been criticized for being to pro Israeli by some, then anti-Israeli by others. He has never sided with any guest, party or affiliation.
And Kristien Amanpour? She is a world class journalist who puts her life constantly on the line reporting from the most volitale places in the world.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#161 Gregor…Two things:
1) I was partially basing the “political document” statement on the professor’s statement “The opinion kind of reads like an outline of possible grounds to strike down the program, without analysis to fill it in.â€
2) I was also basing that statement on my own reading of the opinion. Yes, that is my opinion.
The poor-reasoning of the opinion makes it appear the judge was result-oriented and attempted to “sculpt” the law in order to justify her pre-determined result. That’s what I meant when I called it a “political document.” When drafting a legal opinion, a judge should let the law guide you to a result, not vice versa.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:38 pmI said her opinion was legally-flawed and poorly-reasoned.
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 3:30 pm
You actually said her ruling was more of a political statement than a legally binding document:
The judge’s opinion is a political document –not a legal one.
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
I am still trying to figure out how you went from a “poorly reasoned” decision to it’s a “political document”. As I said before, not even the experts quoted in the article dared make that charge.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:38 pm#171…Gregor, we posted at the same time. Look at my response at #170.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:39 pmWhat a good little goosestepper you are exley.
Eins Zwie Drie Vher!
Eins Zwie Drie Vher!
August 18th, 2006 at 3:40 pmExley -yep, I just saw it.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:40 pmGet those legs up high now.
Its great practice.
When the Reichstag crumbles you can get a job as Vegas showgirl.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:41 pm#137
“Too bad you people can’t do that here.”:
I do it ALL of the time here, it’s just the so many people take offense to those who have a different opinion or view point.
“It is when you folks come on here and spew hatred and lies.”
Provide an example of when I do it.
“If you want to debate and start talking like a normal person, then by all means, let’s do it.”
I have been waiting for you to do the same thing.
Here is an example it this thread alone…
“….district court judges who are APPOINTED for life
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
You need to take a real CIVICS class, fool! ”
…that’ what you call that debating and talking like a normal person especially when you weren’t even close to being right?
August 18th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#170 – I think I see what you mean. If you read the legal decision about keeping Rep. DeLay’s name on the ballot, it’s very concise, references only the law and pertinent precedence’s, and tears Rep. DeLay’s piss-poor position to shreds.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:42 pmAnd when it is appealed it will make it an even BIGGER story. It’s going to have to be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court to get the coverage you and others are looking for.
Comment by Tracy — August 18, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Tracy – there you go again… opening your mouth without the facts.
The illegal NSA spying case may be rejected by the Supremes. This spying without court oversight is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment. Now if frat boy Bush really wants to spy on us without court oversight, then Congress will need to amend the Constitution.
You can search for the Constitution of US on line and read it yourself. I am recommending that you read it several times, slowly so that you can understand the words.
My guess is that you are about 17 years old and live in a trailer park in Arkansas and have no education past the 9 grade.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:44 pm#169
“She is a world class journalist who puts her life constantly on the line reporting from the most volitale places in the world.”
But STILL a biase liberal journalist.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:45 pmagain exlax shows his disingeniousness. Didn’t answer the question, didn’t debate A CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR’S opinion, Turley is recognized thru-out the country, and tries to divert the conversation with issues of no import.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:46 pm#169
Wolfe Blitzer….maybe it’s because of what is on the teleprompter.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:46 pmWell exlax I’ve got a much better CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR, Jonathan Turley and he says:
bones – that was great… love the name… still laughing. Keep up the good work.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:51 pm#179
“The illegal NSA spying case may be rejected by the Supremes.”
Well considering their ruling would trump your unqualified opinion, I would say that would be the end of it.
“My guess is that you are about 17 years old and live in a trailer park in Arkansas and have no education past the 9 grade.”
Bad guess…very bad. Another newcommer to this site I see.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:51 pm#181…Bones, Not only did you fail to provide a link or citation to Turley’s comments, you sent a quote that does not address my point at all. Turley is cautioning against launching political attacks against the judge or questioning her political motivations.
That is irrelevant to what I have posted above. I said the opinion was poorly-reasoned (It also has procedural problems as well. Mighty Aphrodite tounched upon that when she raised the issue of standing).
So, again, I implore you to please stop lying. You are beginning to embarass yourself.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:58 pm“Yeah, why do you do that?”
What respect others that have a different opinion than mine? I already said I do it ALL of the time. I debate with others that have a different opinion than mine. For example, I usually get called names when I express my opinion about various political figures….no debating, just personal insults.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:00 pmDemocrats are going to have to buy balanced coverage.
Comment by The DLC are Frauds
Keep it up… because of this Lamont thing not getting full democratic support and the silence over Iraq many of us are starting to see what you are saying…
August 18th, 2006 at 4:01 pmPierre – yes, this is America where they believe in Santa Claus with flying raindeer and the Easter Bunny that lays colored eggs.
“Ain’t that America…”
August 18th, 2006 at 4:01 pm#188
“Until that point, the current RULING is the law enforced.”
NOT untill it goes thru the appeals court.
“And your opinion is useless.”
And you opinion is wrong.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:02 pm#189
“I’m guessing a 40+ year old bloated texan.”
Now that pretty ignorant, even for you.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:03 pmTracy – I am not a newcomer to this site. It’s just that your comments read like something that a 17 year old uneducated female from the backwoods would post. It was only a guess. I dare you to prove me wrong.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:07 pmThe run this crap because americans are basically idiots. And of course this is why we end up with elected, or I should say selceted officials like George Bush.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:17 pmRegarding the illegal war in Iraq, less we forget, I want to share an experience that I had today with a US Marine that returned from Iraq last December.
I have bumper stickers on my Suby (not a surprise here). One reads “Outsource Santorum” and the other reads “Jesus was a Liberal, Persecuted by Conservatives”. I also have a yellow ribbon with a peace sign on it and the words “Bring the troops home now”. I met this young US Marine today who told me that he really liked my bumper stickers and then proceeded to tell me that the picture that I had pasted on my window, a picture of coffins draped with flags, was of his unit… 36 Marines returning in coffins draped with flags. He thanked me for keeping people informed of the brutality of this war. He really touched my heart. We cannot forget our troops. They must come home to their friends and families alive and not in coffins draped with flags.
All you Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld loving trolls out there need to go fight in this god awful war. Afterall, your mighty emporer said that the sacrifice is worth it. You, too, can come home in a coffin draped with a flag.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:19 pmTHIS IS A FAKE NEWS STORY.
HOMELAND SECURITY IN THAILAND WORKING ON A REGULAR POLICE CASE?
COME ON!
HOW MUCH DUMBER IS THIS ADMINISTRATION GOING TO GET?
THIS IS TO BUMP THE ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL WIRE-TAPPING DECISION OUT
THE HEADLINES.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:21 pmBLIAR – You sound as though you and bones graduated from well-known Law School, Matchbook U together. Please give us the legal definition of standing. Please explain the concept of standiing relative to the fine environmental organization, Greenpeace. Were amicus briefs filed? If so, by whom?
We will continue later….
August 18th, 2006 at 4:29 pmIn the Senate, S. 2453 would entrench federal law the president’s claim of inherent, exclusive power to wiretap Americans at will and indefinitely without any individual, independent check. It would also empower government spies with broad discretionary powers to monitor Americans’ e-mails, even if the government does not know whether all the recipients are physically located in the U.S.
Supporters and knee weak simpletons will claim the Cheney-Specter and Cheney-Wilson bills are “surveillance we can live with,” but the fact is these so-called compromises vastly expand the government’s power to spy on Americans without any individualized warrant, and the surveillance could be approved without a court ever knowing the names of Americans to be spied on, or whether they’ve done anything wrong. The Third Reich prevails.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:31 pmTracy,
I didn’t post that.
So, you use somebody else as an example. Hmmmmmm. Weird.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:37 pmOkay kids, and what do we do when the President violates the Constitution? Impeach? No! We only impeach if he cheats on his wife!
August 18th, 2006 at 4:50 pmHave they found the missing girl in Aruba yet? What ever happened to Scott Peterson and that Jackso guy. That is all they ever cover.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:00 pmjust an idea…
jr
Comment by no not no no — August 18, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Nice reading you, james.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:04 pmThe Duke Lacrosse scandal and now the 10-year-old Ramsey case. The MSM continues to ignore real issues and problems in this country while focusing on these crappy fluff stories. FNC’s the worst of ‘em.
http://www.harmoniousdissent.blogspot.com
Bush administration tried to cut explosive detection funding last week. Yikes.
Only on Harmonious Dissent, SSA’s brand new blog
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
August 18th, 2006 at 5:07 pmThe first Iowa Straw Poll!
#216 or #217 (whatever, the referbaCks are out of sync again.) -MA,
August 18th, 2006 at 5:08 pmWhat you arrested for?
Spudge_Boy, have you seen any of my posts for the last two or three weeks?
In an interview on October 28, 2004, Donahue remarked about His MSNBC show’s cancellation: “Well, we were the only antiwar voice that had a show, and that, I think, made them very nervous. I mean, from the top down, they were just terrified. We had to have two conservatives on for every liberal. I was counted as two liberals.” Asked if he felt mistreated, he responded: “I was isolated, and we were very alone at the end. And then we had nobody supporting us, and our numbers were very decent.”
Tracy posted that the show was cancelled for bad ratings. But, oh oh, at the time of cancellation, the show was the 2nd highest rated on the network.
“Liberal media” It’s almost an article of faith for right wingers. It’s been repeated so many times it’s etched on their brains. Never mind a critical look at the way modern corporate media really works. Question: if you had worked your way up from Journalism school to making more than a million a year on television, would you do anything to hurt your position? Of course not. In any corporate environment, it is not wise to displease the boss. The question of where bosses stand on politics is much more salient to the question than where workers stand. If you worked for NBC and knew where there board stood on politics; if you knew your next bonus was at the descretion of the board; if you knew that the board was made up of wealthy republicans, what would be the best way to ensure job security?
August 18th, 2006 at 5:13 pmDirectly from the ruling: Pages 14-15.
“Finally, Defendants assert that they cannot defend this case without the exposure of state secrets. This court disagrees. The Bush Administration has repeatedly told the general public that there is a valid basis in law for the TSP. Further, Defendants have contended that the President has authority under the AUMF and the Constitution to authorize the continued use of the TSP. Defendants have supported these arguments without revealing or relying on any classified information. Indeed, the court has reviewed the classified information and is of the opinion that this information is not necessary to any viable defense to the TSP. Defendants have presented support for the argument that “It .. is well-established that the President may exercise his statutory and constitutional authority to gather intelligence information about foreign enemies.” Defendants cite to various sources to support this position. Consequently, the court finds the Defendant’s arguments that they cannot defend this case without use of classified information to be disingenuous and without merit.
In sum, the court holds that the state secrets privilege applies to Plantiff’s data-mining claim and that claim is dismissed. The privilege, however, does not apply to Plantiff’s remaining claims challenging the validity of the TSP, since Plantiff’s are not relying on or requesting any classified information to support these claims and Defendants do not need any classified information to mount a defense against these claims.”
August 18th, 2006 at 5:15 pm1993: Two Whitehouse travel office employees are fired for what may have been political reasons. They are replaced by two friends of the Clintons whom they say they trust more. The result: TRAVELGATE!!! Non-stop coverage for weeks, headlines around the country, millions on a congressional investigation in ‘94.
2003: For possibly the first time in history, a covert CIA agent is outed for what seems to be political payback by the Bush administration. The result: media aren’t that interested.
1994: Two file boxes are mistakenly put into a closet instead of moved across the street to a storage facility. There is no evidence anyone ever even opened the boxes, but the result is: FILEGATE!!! Non-stop media saturation, headlines, talkshow hosts worry about privacy, a congressional investigation.
2005: It turns out the NSA has been spying on Americans without warrants, in the process breaking established Federal law. The result: media not that interested.
Late 90’s: The president is carrying on a rather breif affair with a young woman working in the Whitehouse. The result: MONICAGATE!!! Media saturation, non-stop coverage, Watergate investigation morfs into investigation into the President’s personal sex life; an impeachment ensues.
2005: According to FBI and Whitehouse records, a gay male whore using an assumed name has visited the whitehouse over 200 times. The record shows that on at least 14 of these occasions, there was no press event, he checked in at night, and there is no record of his checking out. The result: media not interested.
Does any sane person here think that the above describes a “liberal” media?
August 18th, 2006 at 5:34 pm#6 TripMaster
I think this Karr guy took a big payoff from the Ramseys to be the Patsy. It was Mrs. Ramsey’s dying wish to clear the family name. Others have helped in this process who know and love the Ramseys.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:41 pmThe same news report also went on to state Mel Gibson pleaded no contest, but there was no mention of his anti-semitic tirade (which was just mentioned by the MSM).
August 18th, 2006 at 5:43 pmGUESS IT’S TIME TO PULL THE PLUG ON TV NEWS? THEY’VE SOLD US OUT ONCE AGAIN. IF THEY CAN’T BRING US PERTINENT, TIMELY NEWS ABOUT THE LOSS OF OUR CONSTITUIONAL RIGHTS, THEN IT’S TIME TO BOYCOTT THEM ALL COMPLETELY.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:45 pmLET’S FACE IT – THE MSM IS SCARED S—LESS BY THE THUGS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. THEIR MANTRA IS ‘TERROR & FEAR’. THEY MAY FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME…..EVIDENTLY, OUR MSM IS PETRIFIED OF THEM. NICE GOING…FREE SPEECH MEDIA!
August 18th, 2006 at 5:47 pmDoes anyone here believe Al Gore said he invented the internet? Does anyone think he said he was the model for “Love Story?” Does anyone here believe that Naomi Kline told Al to wear “earth tones?” Because none of these tired old stories was ever true. They were all fabrications. In 2000, we had Al Gore, who the media said was phony and a creep running against a guy who wore cowboy boots and cowboy hats, but never rode a horse. The phony cowboy was sold as “authentic,” while Gore was sold as a phony. If the media didn’t spread this nonsense, who did, and if the media were liberal, wouldn’t they have sold a different story?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:01 pmMarie can you please use your inside voice. Thanks.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:03 pmIf the media didn’t spread this nonsense, who did, and if the media were liberal, wouldn’t they have sold a different story?
Comment by Bluedog49 — August 18, 2006 @ 6:01 pm
Chomsky said quite right (which is very usual): The elections are run by the same people who sells toothpaste. US has the strongest middle class in the world. This middle class is not the left, far from it, it is the greatest working bourgeoisie in the world. Consumption is the motto.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:07 pmGeorge HW Bush pardoned a convicted heroine smuggler, the head of Occidental Petroleum who had made a sizeable campaign contribution and four indicted co-conspirators from Iran-Contra who were set to testify as to his part in the scandal. Number of NY Times articles on his pardons: 1.
The Prime Minister of Israel made a personal request to Clinton to pardon fugitive financier Mark Rich. Number of NY Times articles on Clinton’s pardon: 19.
Tracy, does that sound like the record of a “liberal” publication?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:16 pmTracy said Donahue’s show was cancelled for bad ratings even though the record shows that he was the second highest rated show on the network. But, wait, Tucker Carlson’s show has been last in the network’s ratings for a couple years now and he’s still on. Tracy, why would a liberal network fire a liberal like Donehue when he has good ratings for the network, but keep a conservative like Carlson who has bad ratings? Something doesn’t add up, Tracy.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:22 pmSince I actually work, I’ve been MIA for a while, I’d like to direct the board’s attention to exlax’s stupidity #192:
#181…Bones, Not only did you fail to provide a link or citation to Turley’s comments, you sent a quote that does not address my point at all. Turley is cautioning against launching political attacks against the judge or questioning her political motivations.
That is irrelevant to what I have posted above. I said the opinion was poorly-reasoned (It also has procedural problems as well. Mighty Aphrodite tounched upon that when she raised the issue of standing).
So, again, I implore you to please stop lying. You are beginning to embarass yourself.
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
First (1) He doesn’t know Turley, the pre-eminent Constitutional Scholar from George Washington, (2) Given the name he’s too stupid to perhaps Google the name and scan recent headlines, (3)He so stupid he’s going to stack his opinon and that of Might Asshat against a renowed tenured specialist in constitutional law that teaches at one of the most pretigious universities in the country, and (4) he opionion is worth what he is , merde!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:01 pm#192, and exlax when you pull your brains out of your butt – Note the following sentence by Turley:
“Well, unless there’s a federal statute back in his safe, then it’s not going to make a difference.”
Uh, that’s would be Turley’s estimation of the Attorney General’s arguement justifing the NSA program. You note he crafted the sentence with nuance – unless the Administration can produce legal justification beyond what they presented to the judge, regardless of the stupid reasons they gave, they are in violation of constitutional law. See long, wordy, I like Turley’s statement better, but you have to be smart enough to understand it without someone explaining to you.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:07 pm#169
“She is a world class journalist who puts her life constantly on the line reporting from the most volitale places in the world.â€
But STILL a biase liberal journalist.
Comment by Tracy — August 18, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
Anyone who disagrees with you gets that moniker.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:34 pm#169
Wolfe Blitzer….maybe it’s because of what is on the teleprompter.
Comment by Tracy — August 18, 2006 @ 3:46 pm
Then I’d hate to get a look at whats on the teleprompter over at Faux News.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:36 pmWell Potato Head Chris Matthews just said that “he thinks” that Americans are going to be for more wiretapping and tougher laws against privacy to “keep airplanes from crashing”.
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Correct me if I’m wrong here but didn’t airplanes crash before 911?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:42 pmWe listen to self professed experts on both sides yak on and on about “knee jerk reactions” and then as soon as something bad happens, everyone starts jerkin their knees.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmWe lost 3000 people on 911.
We got 399,000,000 left.
So why do we keep hearing how “everything changed on 911″.
No it didn’t.
The only thing that changed is most americans turned into frightened cowards, jumping at shadows and selling away the constitution piece by piece because they’re scared.
The only thing that happened on 911 is America lost its balls.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:47 pmYea I know Bluedog. They always do that, but Matthews keeps his political leanings under wraps, and has worked for both republicans and democrats, and openly admitted for voting for Bush in 00 and 04.
If thats what they call a liberal then they’re gonna hate me.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pm911 was not the first time terrorists attacked this country, or even felled buildings.
Anyone remember the size of the hole in the Federal building in Oklahoma?
I’d never seen anything like that until then. It blew us all away.
And you know what we did under the leadership of a Democratic President?
We got the guys who did it and went on with our lives.
We went on with being Americans.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:51 pmBut under a republican President and a republican controlled congress, what did we do when some terrorists attacked us on 911?
Why we went to war of course.
With whom you ask?
Why with one of the few countries in the middle east that had NOTHING to do with it, of course.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:54 pmBut we didn’t stop there did we?
Oh no. Because according to the Coward in Chief, “everything changed” on 911.
And what changed you ask?
Why we can no longer be a “free and open” society.
We can no longer pick up a telephone and say two words with it being eavesdropped on. Our airports have turned into paranoia processing centers. Rednecks drive around with bumperstickers showing whitey killing arabs. (well ok, they already did that one), the Constitution goes from being our governing document to being an “interesting peice of paper”. America went from a democratic republic to a paranoid schizophrenic state where freedom is merely currency to be traded for “feeling safe”.
Thats the stuff that changed.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:00 pmAnd, let’s not forget that Clinton’s justice department also caught, tried and imprisoned all those involved in the first WTC bombing.
Comment by Bluedog49 — August 18, 2006 @ 7:55 pm
Thats what I meant Blue when I said we got the guys and went on with our lives.
But I’m glad you posted that anyway, cause it drills that point home, and to our trollish friends in here its like holy water to a vampire.
Clinton GOT HIS TERRORISTS.
Bush has butchered 100,000 people and STILL hasn’t found one of them.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:04 pmI have read the judge’s ruling and the logic is irrefutable.
There would be nothing to discuss on MSM, just aquiesce.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmAnd instead of actually GETTING the terrorists, Bush has just MADE MORE!
I guess he figured they’d be easier to kill if there were more of them.
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August 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmwhat kind of discussion is this? Is Bill Clinton still President or have I been asleep for a while? Who cares about what Bill Clinton did or didn’t do right now. Stay on germane issues please.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmTell you what allie.
When you’ve got something intelligent to say, feel free to chime in.
But as for telling me what to talk about? Leave that to the blog police.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnd BTW, next time you might want to actuall “read” the comments you are coming in and arbitrarily dismissing.
Because our conversation wasn’t about Bill Clinton. It was about the changes to our constitution, like wiretapping, that the right knee-jerked us into because of 911.
Maybe you should go back to sleep.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:11 pm.
F A K E
N E W S
“You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein
15 August, 2006
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/16/national/main1900602.shtm
Karl Rove INVENTED the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) for one purpose. TOTAL MESSAGE CONTROL.
Rove is a genious…an evil genious.
He can only be effective when he knows literally everything. He is the REALITY CREATION ARCHITECT.
At any given time he can take a set of actual facts and use each of them to stitch together a totally false reality.
Rove knew that the truth was the enemy of their conspiracy to conquer the Middle East (the PNAC plan). His job, every single day, is to convince you, me and the rest of the world that you didn’t just see and hear what you just saw and heard…or if you did, it doesn’t mean what your logical mind is attempting to tell you – because “we’re in a post-9/11 world now” and black is white.
Karl Rove is the single most destructive force in the US Government…the enabler of the entire evil scheme…THE ARCHITECT.
The scheme includes 9/11 as the essential pretext. “9/11″ … how clever, Karl! Only someone with American sensibilities would select the number we have all memorized to call in the event of life threatening emergency as the date for this evil….
KARL ROVE.
The war plan to invade Iraq was written BEFORE 9/11. The Secret Energy Task Force meetings that Cheney had with Ken Lay and the other OIL HOGS during which they all decided how to divide up the oil fields of the Middle East…all of that was BEFORE 9/11.
Now you see why Cheney insisted the substance of those talks remain SECRET.
All of their schemes and conspiracies REQUIRED 9/11 as the essential trigger.
Cheney outsourced the implementation of the FALSE FLAG OPERATION to Mossad…the FALSE FLAG experts. This explains why over 200 Mossad agents were operating in the United States prior to 9/11. This explains why five of them were arrested, having been observed filming the planes hitting the towers and their subsequent collapse – celebrating our worst nightmare.
9/11 was not a bad day for those involved in the Conspiracy. It was their shining moment…their PRETEXT.
One of them washed out…couldn’t cope with the guilt. Ari Fleisher had to be replaced, and disappeared. Not dead, but out of sight.
The outing of Plame was designed to destroy the best WMD intelligence the US had at its disposal regarding Iraq. Plame knew for a FACT that Iraq had no WMD. It was HER JOB to know. Therefore Rove perceived Plame (the truth) as his WORST ENEMY, and conceived of a plan to silence her. Rove is the individual who insisted that Wilson be sent to Niger.
GUARANTEED.
This was the only way to launch a smear program which appeared to be aimed at Wilson, but was intended solely to shut down the entire Brewster Jennings operation and bury their WMD evidence.
THAT IS ALL ROVE.
He invented WHIG:
The group’s members included Rove, Bush advisor Karen Hughes, Senior Advisor to the Vice President Mary Matalin, Deputy Director of Communications James Wilkinson, Assistant to the President and Legislative Liaison Nicholas Calio, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby.
Every single one of these individuals is a co-conspirator in a concerted effort to defraud America into committing its troops and its treasure to invade a foreign country to the sole benefit of BIG OIL AND ISRAEL.
The pending invasion of Iran is the next phase of the very same conspiracy. Karen Kwiatkowski let us know that Larry Franklin had set up an IRAN desk in the midst of the Pentagon’s IRAQ planners. Larry Franklin has pled guilty for passing Top Secret Iranian Intelligence to AIPAC (Israel). Israeli Generals were free to come and go from the Cheney/Rumsfeld Office Of Middle East Invasion whenever they pleased, without need to sign the guest register.
IT’S ALL THE SAME CONSPIRACY.
9/11 – Afghanistan – Iraq – Iran – Syria.
READ THE PNAC.
A “New Pearl Harbor” was a REQUIREMENT for its implementation.
Rove is running the entire PsyOps Machine to enable it.
Hang them for TREASON.
http://dailydocket.blogspot.com/2006/01/propaganda.html...
But whereas Hitler was a true master of propaganda, and his minister a far less talented functionary, today the situation is reversed: our propaganda minister is the master, and our leader his functionary. Karl Rove is so confident of his strategy that he now announces it to the public! In January of this year,
Rove noted that we face “a ruthless enemy” and “need a commander in chief and a Congress who understand the nature of the threat and the gravity of the moment America finds itself in.”
Here’s more:
“[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
– Karl Rove (oops!) Hermann Goering
Karl Rove had advance knowledge of EVERY TERROR ALERT since Bush took office in 2000.
Because he creates them.
“T H E
A R C H I T E C T”
O F
T E R R O R
I S
K A R L
R O V E
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August 18th, 2006 at 8:16 pmIt’s time to start naming names.
58% of the public relies on General Electric (MSNBC and NBC) News Corp. (Fox), Disney (ABC), AOL-Time Warner (CNN) and Viacom (CBS) for its information. This is far too much power in a democracy for a handful of profit driven companies whose “news” deceives more than it reveals.
The co-conspirators in this crime include all of the heads of the MSM News Networks and all of the talking head shills who know that ACTUAL TRUTH, yet fail to report it out of loyalty to their paycheck vs. loyalty to their country and their own conscience.
Call them out.
Call them by name.
Demand of each an explanation for their participation in this RICO-sized Criminal Conspiracy to overthrow the US government, and in so doing, destroy the US Constitution and all it stands for.
Top 25 Censored Stories of 2006
http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2006/index.htm
The Top Censored Stories of 2004 to 2005
#1 Bush Administration Moves to Eliminate Open Government
Source:
Common Dreams, September 14, 2004. Press release.
Title: “New Report Details Bush Administration Secrecyâ€
Author: Karen Lightfoot
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0914-05.htm
In 2002, according to a report by British journalist Robert Fisk, Jordan ordered CNN reporters in Ramallah, in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, to stop reporting atrocities such as the Israeli shooting of ambulance drivers, unless they included film of Israeli government spokesmen claiming—without any substantiating evidence—that the Palestinians were smuggling weapons and gunmen in the ambulances.
Following the US invasion of Iraq, Jordan revealed, in an appearance on his own network’s media program, “Reliable Sources,†that CNN had used only administration-approved former officers as its expert commentators on military matters. The Pentagon had vetted all the retired generals in advance, he said, defending the network against right-wing critics who claimed that the experts were too critical of the Bush administration’s war plans.
“I went to the Pentagon myself several times before the war started and met with important people there,†Jordan explained, “and said, for instance, at CNN, ‘Here are the generals we’re thinking of retaining to advise us on the air and off about the war.’ And we got a big thumbs-up on all of them. That was important.â€
As the WSWS noted at the time: “In other words, CNN made sure that any comments about the progress or difficulties in the war would be within the bounds set by the US military. Needless to say, there were no expert commentators brought on board from the antiwar movement.â€
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/cnn-f18.shtml
“I was shocked while in the United States by how unquestioning the broadcast news media was during this war,†Dyke said. “If Iraq proved anything, it was that the BBC cannot afford to mix patriotism and journalism. This is happening in the United States and if it continues, will undermine the credibility of the US electronic news media.â€
MSNBC general manager Erik Sorenson essentially confirmed Banfield’s charge that the network deliberately suppressed footage of Iraqi civilian and military casualties. “We were reluctant to run graphic images of any casualties, civilian or military,†he told one press interviewer. “Antiwar activists have complained to MSNBC, ‘You’ve made war seem like fun. You cleaned it up.’ We saw and experienced a lot of the power and horror of these weapons. I didn’t need to see the body literally chopped in half.â€
Such images, however, have been widely broadcast, not only in the Arab media, but throughout the world outside the United States, bringing the horrors of the American devastation of Iraq to a global audience.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/may2003/med-m02.shtml
US networks agree to serve as Pentagon propaganda tool in Iraq
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/med-a15.shtml
White House dictates war coverage to a pliant media Office of Global Communications oversees press censorship
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/cens-m26.shtml
“FOX has added an important new ingredient to the news system: they mix news and opinion,†said CBS News President Andrew Hayward. “Fox is a blend of news and talk radio on TV. That is a powerful dimension.â€
ABC News president David Westin agreed.
“The problem is when news and opinion are mashed together,†he said. “It is starting to push out the truth telling, which is undermining our core mission. We have to keep the central goal telling the truth as we see it.â€
Although each network executive voiced wariness about cable news’ current direction, none could deny the growing impact of channels such as CNN and FOX News.
http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=15326&repository=0001_article
Fox News chief doubled as political adviser to Bush
The revelation that Fox News Channel Chairman Roger Ailes sent a secret memo offering political advice to George W. Bush after last year’s terrorist attacks illustrates one of the fundamental facts of American political life: the utterly dishonest and politically incestuous relationship between the mass media and the government.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/fox-n25.shtml
Fox News Admits Bias!
Its London bureau chief blurts out the political slant that dare not speak its name.
http://www.slate.com/id/2119864
Fox News commentator becomes White House spokesman—a further turn to the right
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/apr2006/snow-a28.shtml
Robert Greenwald: ‘Fox News is an Example of What Happens When We Have Extreme Media Control’
The producer/director of the new documentary film “Outfoxed” says that Fox News Channel’s “consistent support” of the Republican party is an issue “critical to democracy.”
http://www.iwantmedia.com/people/people39.html
Sean McManus – President of CBS News
Steve Capus – President of NBC News
David Westin – President of ABC News
Roger Ailes – President of Fox News
TO CONTACT MAJOR TELEVISION STATIONS
http://www.coalitionforworldpeace.org/media/mediachallenge.html
Ask them:
What happened to the Watergate Poker Party Scandal?
The Dubai Ports Scandal?
The 9/11 Insider Trading scandal?
The Abu Gharaib Torture scandal?
The Fitzgerald Investigation?
The AIPAC/Franklin spy scandal?
The missing Iraqi Reconstruction Funds?
The other covert spies that were outed by Rove when Plame’s identity was revealed?
The damage done to the US WMD monitoring program by Plames outing?
The Domestic Wiretapping Scandal?
The story of the “Dancing Israelis” arrested in New York on 9/11?
The “Israelis Art Student” Spy Scandal?
The intentional bombing of the Al Jazeera News Office in Baghdad?
The forger of the Niger Document?
The location of US Torture Prisons?
The USS Liberty investigation?
The failure to even discuss PNAC and its impact on US policy?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:17 pm“Television is altering the meaning of “being informed” by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation… Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information – misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information – information that creates the illusion of knowing something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing.”
Neil Postman
“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
Military’s Information War Is Vast and Often Secretive
By JEFF GERTH
“The media center in Fayetteville, N.C., would be the envy of any global communications company …
“The center is not part of a news organization, but a military operation, and those writers and producers are soldiers. The 1,200-strong psychological operations unit based at Fort Bragg turns out what its officers call “truthful messages” to support the United States government’s objectives, though its commander acknowledges that those stories are one-sided and their American sponsorship is hidden.
“We call our stuff information and the enemy’s propaganda,” said Col. Jack N. Summe, then the commander of the Fourth Psychological Operations Group, during a tour in June. Even in the Pentagon, “some public affairs professionals see us unfavorably,” and inaccurately, he said, as “lying, dirty tricksters.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/politics/11propaganda.html?pagewa…
August 18th, 2006 at 8:23 pm#220 – “And then we had nobody supporting us, and our numbers were very decent.â€
Comment by Bluedawg, quoting the whiny Mr. Marlo Thomas, Phil Donohue
***** Dear BluePuP, I thought it was extremely telling that the booted Phil was so vague about the number of homes that actually WATCHED his show – including MSNBC in your block of channels doesn’t count in the “ratings respectability”.
“The only thing that changed is most americans turned into frightened cowards, jumping at shadows and selling away the constitution piece by piece because they’re scared.
The only thing that happened on 911 is America lost its balls.” WARface
*******Dear Face – Please have the moxie to tell that to the families of those on Flight 93, and the three other planes. After they get through bitch-slapping you, let the fire and police families have a few minutes of your time. AND then, we’ll let all the Port Authority, Cantor Fitzgerald, Windows of the World, etc. families have a “chat ” with you.
Perhaps the bravest thing you’ll ever do is post here – thanks to the freedoms secured for all of us by a selfless, dedicated military.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:30 pmmighty aphrodite -
Liberals HATE freedom.
Comment by exley — August 18, 2006 @ 8:29 pm
Really?
Then why is it conservatives who are busy taking them away?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:48 pmDear exley – So sad- and tooo true. Once upon a time, when I was extremely young (and wanted to thoroughly demonstrate my independence to my parents) I WAS a LIBERAL. These sweet, naive people were easily led by radical fringes . They were the people who needed a cause to affiliate with or their lives were empty. When I changed to the other side of the aisle, I found several “friends” no longer friendly.
Exley – it’s NOT amazing we are here – we have a sense of humour!! Most of them need one – BADLY. It truly is kind of us to break the monotony for these poor progs.
Not surprising, I am rooting for the state of Israel to prevail. My only wish – that decent Arabs accept the state of Israel and they rid themselves of a culture of murder/suicide.
L’Chaim…..
August 18th, 2006 at 8:49 pmDear Face – Please have the moxie to tell that to the families of those on Flight 93,
Comment by Ann Coulter — August 18, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
What the hell does what MAY have happened on flight 93 have to do with taking away american liberties?
You’re cowards. You’re a coward. Your Coward in Cheif is a coward, and because of you cowardice you sell out your own country. You’re the worst kind of traitor there is.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:51 pmPlease have the moxie to tell that to the families of those on Flight 93, and the three other planes. After they get through bitch-slapping you, let the fire and police families have a few minutes of your time. AND then, we’ll let all the Port Authority, Cantor Fitzgerald, Windows of the World, etc. families have a “chat †with you.
Comment by mighty stinking whitey — August 18, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
You know Frau Braun, your little coward threats don’t mean crap to me. I watched as you grimmiced like the little bitch you are when they tossed that pie at your ugly mug over at the U of Conn, and yet you “talk tough”.
No, I’ve had about all the right wing threats I can stomach for one decade. Anytime you or your reichstag gang wants a foot so far up their ass they can floss their teeth with the bootlaces, look me up, and I’ll hook you up.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:55 pm“Thank goodness our friends and allies did not desert us during our civil war.”-comment by Mighty Aphrodite-August 3, 2006 @ 3:22 pm
August 18th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
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August 18th, 2006 at 9:00 pmPerhaps the bravest thing you’ll ever do is post here – thanks to the freedoms secured for all of us by a selfless, dedicated military.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 18, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
You know, I’m pushing 50 years old, and you don’t know a damn thing about me.
You don’t know what I’ve done, or not done, so before you start talking about what brave things I haven’t done.
Little right wing mini van driving security moms like you are more dangerous to democracy than ANY terrorist could ever be.
They blow up buildings, we can rebuild them. They kill a 1000 of us, we got 400 MILLION left. But you.
Scum like you.
You rape everything it means to be American. You desecrate our legacy with your cowardice and fear, crying about “keeping safe”.
You sicken me.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:00 pmAnd BTW, my family served in WW2, Korea and VietNam, so I don’t need any lectures about military service from a fat ass jello eating mini van driving security mom with delusions of being a commando on the weekends.
Versthen?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:03 pmFreakin security moms.
:|
Like a bunch of cackling hens, sending other people kids off to fight while they talk about how “brave” they are for staying the course here at home.
Bunch of schmucks.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:04 pmMark Twain
August 18th, 2006 at 9:07 pmPerhaps the bravest thing you’ll ever do is post here – thanks to the freedoms secured for all of us by a selfless, dedicated military.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 18, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
Is your life based on being redundant?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:09 pmMark Twain
August 18th, 2006 at 9:13 pmWorfeus; Well said.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:19 pmOh and BTW MA, AC, whatever or whoever the frack you are, last time I checked, its the Widows of 911 and its YOU they’d like to have a chat with.
Schmuck.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:33 pmMark Twain
August 18th, 2006 at 9:36 pmNote: Posts # 261 and 268 have ben falsely attributed to me. I did write those postings. Someone has misrepresented himself or herself and posted material under my name. I would ask the managers of “ThinkProgress.org” to remove those postings or. at the very least, remove my name from them. When I registered on this site, I provided my e-mail address, thus, the identification of the impostor should be readily ascertainable. Thank you.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:41 pmMainstream media believes the emperor is wearing clothes.
The rest of America can see the emperor is a naked corporate criminal.
The media cannot because they’re masters are naked corporate crooks too.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:42 pmCORRECTED: Note: Posts # 261 and 268 have been falsely attributed to me. I did NOT write those postings. Someone has misrepresented himself or herself and posted material under my name. I would ask the managers of “ThinkProgress.org†to remove those postings or. at the very least, remove my name from them. When I registered on this site, I provided my e-mail address, thus, the identification of the impostor should be readily ascertainable. Thank you.
Comment by Exley — August 18, 2006 @ 9:41 pm
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August 18th, 2006 at 9:43 pmExley
August 18th, 2006 at 9:43 pmProbably 99% of what’s posted on here is made up by two people in the ThinkProgress office.
Really CMW?
Guess I’m the “1 percent”, huh?
:|
Imagine the odds.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:47 pm282
August 18th, 2006 at 9:49 pmIf you say so
Posts are disappearing and being replaced by other posts – people are saying posts are being published under their name that they never said – it’s a panoply of prestidigitation
WOrfeus
August 18th, 2006 at 9:50 pmWItness post #283
Worfeus
August 18th, 2006 at 9:52 pmIt seems that when the going gets rough for the corporate Dems, of which you may or may not be a member, I don’t know – the corporate Dems, who can only abide attacking BUsh but cannot abide any criticism of the Dems, start playing with the blog
CMW, since you approached me civilily I will respond in kind. But MA pissed me off so watch out of my right.
A. I grew up a republican in an all republican household and almost ever relative we have are registered republicans.
B. I do not “only abide by attacking Bush”. I am not a political person, I never took any of this seriously until 2000, in fact, I never voted, read political stories and barely watched the news until Bush was annointed emperor. I figured I learned all I needed to know about politics in College, and that was enough I figured to keep me away.
You’re labling me a liberal wingnut would be laughable, if it weren’t the modus operandi of your party, in smearing any and all who dare to oppose them.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:58 pm#231
1) Again, incorrect, The State Secrets Privilege argument went to the question of justiciability — NOT standing. These are separate and quite different doctrines.
2) El-Masri v. Tenet is NOT a Supreme Court decision. It is a district court opinion, which was just submitted to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit on July 24, 2006.
3) “This court is persuaded that Plantiffs in this case have set forth the necessary facts to have satisfied all three of the prerequistites list above to establish standingâ€
This sentence is the judge’s conclusory statement of the segment of the opinion dealing with standing. Posting that does not advance the discussion at all. Mighty Aphrodite and I have not said that court did not address standing. We have said that given the case law, the judge incorrectly decided the issue of standing. No where do you address the court’s reasoning by which it determined the plaintiffs’ had standing. All you argue is that because the judge determined they had standing that means the judge was correct in finding they had standing. That is circular reasoning.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:59 pmGreat post’s Worfeus…..Keep them going untill their gone…..Blessings
August 18th, 2006 at 10:02 pmOpen your eyes dude.
You’ve been had.
Hoodwinked.
Hornswaggled.
The emperor you serve is wearing no clothes. Hes naked as a jaybird and he’s robbing your children, and their children, of a future as posh as you’ve enjoyed.
He’s a hack. A Pied Piper and he’s heading for the bay.
Don’t be one of his rats.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:02 pmPosting #283 has also been falsely attributed to me, Posting # 288 is indeed my work. Again, I ask that the managers of ThinkProgress.org verify that this “Exley” is the original poster who has been registered at this site for some time and the “exley” at postings #261, 268 and 283 is a “copy-cat” poster who has usurped my screen name and has posted comments that he or she has falsely attributed to me.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:03 pmHey ex. Give it a rest. While I appreciate your apparent numeric dyslexic dilemma, you can just shoot them an email.
Quit trying to bury posts.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:08 pmAugust 18th, 2006 at 10:13 pm
August 18th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
A century ago a brilliant author, scholar, inventor and world traveller, Sam Clemens, KNEW the fallacy in the “Our country right or wrong” dogma.
We are our country.
Without US, there is no U.S.
If our countries wrong, then its because we’re wrong.
There is no mystical “thing” that is our country that we need to support even when it commits rape, torture, murder and genocide, and defies the laws which govern itself.
Men do these things. Not countries or kingdoms. Men and their kings do these things.
And its time to hold those men accountable for the evil they have wrought in ours, and in our forefathers names.
Before someone else does.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:37 pm#292 WOREFUS…Thank you for the suggestion. I have indeed just sent an e-mail to the ThinkProgress team. Hopefully, this matter will be resolved shortly and these false postings will soon be deleted.
I am, however, confused by your reference to “numeric dyslexia.” Postings # 261, 268, and 283 are indeed falsely attributed to me.
As for your comment about “burying posts,” I would suggest you address the juvenile individual who posted diatribes falsely attributed to me on this and several other threads on ThinkProgress this evening.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:44 pm:|
August 18th, 2006 at 10:45 pmMaybe you could ask them to delete #296 too.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:47 pmThose who sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:48 pm#298….Why would I do that, WOREFUS?
August 18th, 2006 at 10:54 pmI’m sorry Exley, but what was it in my verbal demeanor that gave you the impression that I gave a rats ass about your posting difficulties?
August 18th, 2006 at 10:58 pmWOREFUS, In posting #292, you suggested that I bring the matter of the false postings directly to the Think Progress team via e-mail.
That was very kind of you. Thank you for your assistance.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:01 pm:\
August 18th, 2006 at 11:07 pmSamuel Langhorne Clemens
August 18th, 2006 at 11:09 pmChronicle of Young Satan
I sometimes find myself asking myself, if Mark Twain was an author or a prophet.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:13 pmTwo words: Death Worship
August 18th, 2006 at 11:41 pmI hate to break this to you, but Fox News devoted a LOT of time to this story, because it will hurt Democrats in November. This is just another indication of how the left is weak on terror. Moreover, it is widely expected to be overturned when it hits the 6th circuit court, and never need consideration in the Supreme Court.
August 19th, 2006 at 9:30 amJason, don’t you trolls have a timeframe that you make stupid statements on this blog. Please publish so I can avoid the insulting, stupid, ill-informed, assinine statements you gguys and gals post. Your contention that Faux news spent time on this story is like saying Hitler spent a lot of time talking about Christianity, sure but I doubt anyone would pay close attention to obviously biased, inaccurate, emotional rhetoric and accept it as fact. Your continuing insulting clap-trap about the “left” being weak on terror is stupid. 60% of the country must be “weak on terror” then because they want they troops out of Iraq. And if you’re dumb enough to believe that significant constitutional issues won’t make it to the Supreme Court, well go back to watching Sesame Street for your news.
August 19th, 2006 at 10:07 amSadly, these people will need to be locked up before they stop.
August 19th, 2006 at 11:37 amI haven’t read all the posts but I have come across something that completely blows my mind in terms of mainstream propaganda and government manipulation of what THEY want you to watch on the MSM. Brass Check TV is doing a great job at keeping us informed in the rawest of forms. If you can, watch all 4 segments by Fox 5 and pay close attention to the banner at the bottom while the anchor speaks.
If you don’t recognize total manipulation and brainwashing at its best, you have been drinking the Kool-Aid too… without even knowing. You were just watching the news after a just another regular day with your wife and kids… right? And you think liberals are all terrorists right?
http://
August 19th, 2006 at 12:07 pmHere’s the link. I don’t know what happened in the prior post.
http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/9117.html
August 19th, 2006 at 12:08 pmSMOKE SCREEN, SMOKE SCREEN, SMOKE SCREEN. It’s great that the people are smarter than the administration-driven MSM, isn’t it? Just like the rest of their cutsey little tricks, the people are not buying it. Hooray for the people – we know the “drill” so well, thanks to trickster GOP.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:52 pmOf course, we all feel badly that Jon Benet was murdered but that’s totally a mute point – it’s occurred and there is absolutely nothing we can do but, if we locate the perp, bring them to justice. The more poignant truth in this country is that we have a hijacking of our constution occurring so it’s important that the GOP driven media try to take us off course. It isn’t working and will not work this time. The gig is up – people will no longer be tricked with diversionary tactics.
Let’s hold the “other” criminals as accountable for their war crimes, lies, and intentional deceit of the american people equally as the Benet murderer.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:56 pmBah Bah, we are all sheep. I am sick and tired of the media shoving garbage down our throats while the real news is overlooked.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:32 pmI hate to break this to you, but Fox News devoted a LOT of time to this story,
Comment by Jason M. Heckler — August 19, 2006 @ 9:30 am
Yea but we were talking about real news stations Jason.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#273 – “You know, I’m pushing 50 years old, and you don’t know a damn thing about me.” Comment by Worfeus
Dear Worfeus – Forgive me for striking a nerve. It’s probably best I not know more about you – TMI and I’d think you’re a bigger windbag than I ALREADY do. If you were a top-secret blogger in Saddam’s Iraq, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Stalin’s USSR, OR Hitler’s Germany – I would think you were a “Mega-BALLS” wonder. So please, share your brave exploits with your friends here. You’ve told us of your families service – We’d love to celebrate YOUR brave accomplishments, too….
“They blow up buildings, we can rebuild them.”
******Doesn’t that contradict a previous statement of yours….something about “America losing it’s balls,”? (My goodness, a contradictory, vulgar Prog – who knew??)
And isn’t it a shame the way those four poor Widows embarass themselves? Maybe they can form a “Victims of Bush Club” with Cindy Sheehan….
P.S. I don’t drive a mini-van – but they look very practical…..
August 19th, 2006 at 3:31 pm[...]Fox News devoted a LOT of time to this story, because it will hurt Democrats in November.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 19, 2006 @ 9:30 am
What you are saying is that FauxNews is nothing more than a Republican propaganda outlet, that airs news stories to hamper the Democrats’ chances in election time.
In other words, you don’t believe they are “fair and balanced” either.
August 19th, 2006 at 3:37 pmHummm… wonder what this administration has on the MSM and Tony Blair. Could there have been a “party” that had some compromising activiites going on? This technique worked well for J Edgar Hoover. Would put it past traitor Rove to use the same tactics.
August 19th, 2006 at 3:42 pmP.S. I don’t drive a mini-van – but they look very practical…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 19, 2006 @ 3:31 pm
Of course not. What would a succesful best selling author and attorney like yourself be doing in a mini van?
As for my accomplishments in life. I would no more share any detailed information of my life with you than I would share my urine to extinguish the fire that reached up from your pants to ignite those twisted dangling locks hanging like seaweed from that reinforced concrete noggin of yours.
But do feel free to dazzle us all with your war stories of valor and heroism.
Do feel free to share with us the great sacrifices that you have made with your body, for this war which you promote with your mouth.
We’re all ears SheRa.
August 19th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAnd if pray tell, you are under 42, do explain to us why you are busy in here writing endless “tough talk” (the key word being talk) instead of being down at your local recruiting office writing your name on your enlistment papers.
You’ve got a big mouth, that helps send others off to die so you can feel good.
How is it you didn’t find the urgency to put your own bloated rump on the line?
August 19th, 2006 at 3:58 pmI know why.
August 19th, 2006 at 3:59 pmBut I will share this with you Berlin Betty.
I worked with mountain rescue for 7 years, and I had my ass hanging out in ways an inbred trailerpark mom like you can only fantasize about.
So don’t tell me about putting my ass on the line for people.
You couldn’t walk a mile in my shoes sister.
August 19th, 2006 at 4:06 pm“They blow up buildings, we can rebuild them.â€
******Doesn’t that contradict a previous statement of yours….something about “America losing it’s balls,â€? (My goodness, a contradictory, vulgar Prog – who knew??)
Comment by Berlin Betty — August 19, 2006 @ 3:31 pm
The only contradiction here is that TP claims you’re a person too.
America HAS lost its balls.
You’re a perfect example of that.
Blowhard security moms sitting on the sidelines cheering on the bloody game, as others die miserably to the chants of the spectators.
Cowards with big mouths, like the mobs of ancient rome, cheering on the bloody spectical as they fill their faces with food, and then return to their comfortable homes to crap it back into the sewers.
You’re glad to support the war with your mouth, as long as you don’t have to cancel the pilates class.
August 19th, 2006 at 4:19 pmDixie.
Thanks but I’ve dealt with the notso-mighty aphrodite plenty, and walking away from her coulteresque taunts is the last thing on my mind.
Beside, walking away from the fight with the repuggies is what got you guys in trouble in the first place, isn’t it?
I think theres been enough “walking away”.
I am happy to engage, her, or any other trolls on their level.
In fact, its my pleasure.
August 19th, 2006 at 4:23 pmAugust 19th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Albert Einstein
August 19th, 2006 at 4:47 pmGeorge Bernard Shaw
August 19th, 2006 at 4:50 pmWORFEUS FOR PRESIDENT!
August 19th, 2006 at 4:54 pm#331 – “Cowards with big mouths, like the mobs of ancient rome, cheering on the bloody spectical as they fill their faces with food, and then return to their comfortable homes to crap it back into the sewers.” “Comment” by Worfeus
******Dear Worfeus – Bless your heart – you sound like one of THE MOST miserable, cynical human beings ever. You poor little thing! Being a Prog won’t alleviate any of those “feelings” but at least you have LOTS of prog causes and groups to help make you feel a bit more important….
P.S. First, you assume I’m fat – then you assume I attend pilates classes. (Schizoid??) So, you think I’m a fat broad who goes to pilates????
#334 – “Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.” – George Bernard Shaw, attributed by Worfeus
August 19th, 2006 at 5:07 pm*******As usual, one of my favourite Socialists, GB Shaw, is WRONG. How else do you explain the MILLIONS of immigrants who came to this wonderful country – and fell in love with their adopted land?? But like you, Shaw was a hopeless cynic…..
Mighty Assrodent wrote to her penpal Asslay:
Dear exley – So sad- and tooo true. Once upon a time, when I was extremely young….… bla bla bla… When I changed to the other side of the aisle, I found several “friends†no longer friendly.… bla bla bla…
It truly is kind of us to break the monotony for these poor progs.… bla bla bla… I am rooting for the state of Israel to prevail. My only wish – that decent Arabs accept the state of Israel and they rid themselves of a culture of murder/suicide.
Sit your asses, chew on this video from brasscheck.com for 1 hour and 20 minutes so that we can take this time to break from your monotony.
http://brasscheck.com/videos/middleeast/me1.html
August 19th, 2006 at 5:09 pmBeing a Prog won’t alleviate any of those “feelings†but at least you have LOTS of prog causes and groups to help make you feel a bit more important….
Comment by Berlin Betty — August 19, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
I am no more a “prog” than I am a democrat. I am not affiliated with any party and as soon as the sane people in the world get a handle on the 4th Reich, I’ll go back to consuming large amounts of alcohol and debauching coeds.
You guys don’t get it do you?
You create 1000 new enemies everytime you open your mouths.
August 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pmP.S. First, you assume I’m fat – then you assume I attend pilates classes. (Schizoid??) So, you think I’m a fat broad who goes to pilates????
Well fat broads are usually the ones I see at those things.
Course who knows? Maybe you’re completely different that that description.
Maybe you’re a pale, sickly looking bony legged blonde.
August 19th, 2006 at 5:14 pmHow else do you explain the MILLIONS of immigrants who came to this wonderful country –
Comment by Berlin Betty — August 19, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
I think he intended it to be a poignant concept, Wordsmith.
Try opening something besides your S.O.F collection sometime.
August 19th, 2006 at 5:17 pmBut please tell us all how you’re soooo much smarter than Albert was.
Or perhaps Mr Clemens.
I mean its clear that you folk believe that all one has to do to become the sole keepers of all intelliegence in the world is simply say you agree with Bush.
Tell us all how you are so much smarter than then, because you agree with the President.
August 19th, 2006 at 5:19 pmBut like you, Shaw was a hopeless cynic…..
Comment by Berlin Betty — August 19, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
I am anything but a cynic sister.
I am the ultimate optimist.
For example, I still believe that good will eventually prevail over evil, and that America will once again become the free and democratic nation that I’ve known for most of my life, instead of the paranoid, murderous, war mongering backstabbing and cowardly band of thugs that the republicans, and the weak willed democrats have turned us into.
August 19th, 2006 at 5:25 pmVoltaire
August 19th, 2006 at 5:46 pmThere are NO STRONG DEMS today – - – being a middle-aged guy I would think your memory would serve you better – REMEMBER JFK – at least in books????
Murtha, Kucinch, Kerry, Edwards, Clark, Clinton, – nope. “Dems – the party of Sensitive Sisters”….
I think a great new and improved name for the new Dems (and would unite your splintering far-leftist (ie the Progressives Dems of America & Liberal Dems of America)) id the UN Party of America. The UN Party always supports Americas adversaries, looks at US foreign charity as NOT ENOUGH and laced with ulterior motives, bend over backwards and drop their panties to try to understand America’s enemies, etc., etc.
Me? I don’t want to understand our enemies – I want them dead.
August 19th, 2006 at 5:46 pmMe? I don’t want to understand our enemies – I want them dead.
Comment by Eva Braun — August 19, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
Well thanks for being honest at least, and admitting you’re a fool.
I suggest one day when you put down the S.O.F mags, that you read Sun-tzu’s “The Art of War”
Because you’ve just clearly stated the first, and most obvious weaknesses of all failed armies.
Failure to understand your enemy is the best way to lose the war.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:01 pmYou look back fondly on yesteryear – completely forgetting our country has never faced such a Clash of Civilizations
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 19, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
Bullshit.
We’ve been facing terrorism for as long as I’ve been alive.
But what we’ve never faced before is such an overwhelming run on cowardice in our government, and so many cowards like you, who support them.
Its cowardice that hurt us on 911.
We can recover from a bombing. We can rebuild our buildings.
And we can go after the acutal terrorists ( I know, a strange concept to you).
But recovering from the damage done to our nation by your band of inbred thugs, is going to take a long, long time.
You, and the republican scum who think like you, are a bigger threat to the United States of America than ANY terrorist ever could be.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:06 pmSun-tzu
August 19th, 2006 at 6:11 pmThe Art of War
.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
You Berlin Betty, and your band of cowards hand victory to Bin Laden and his once small band of terrorists, everytime you open your mouths.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:16 pmWORTfeces – Read “The Arab Mind” and “Holy War, Inc.” – you’ll be disappointed because they DON’T want to be friends with YOU….equating your political opponents to your countries enemies is MORE than dangerous – it’s stupid AND FOOLHARDY – but I’ve come to expect that from you….
Must be going….
August 19th, 2006 at 6:17 pmWho said I wanted to be friends with them?
August 19th, 2006 at 6:18 pmOh thats right.
You did.
:|
August 19th, 2006 at 6:18 pmIs Mighty Asshat over here too? He must not be able to find his way to the White House, somebody give him directions please Karl rove couldn’t get Gannon to come over tonight.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:24 pmOur countries enemies were a rag tag band of men, MOST of whom died the day of their attack.
Thats the great thing about suicide bombers. They kill themselves for you.
But now, thanks to your knee-jerk reactions, you’ve ensured a never ending supply of terrorists for the next 50 years.
If you guys had any steele, you would’ve went after Bin Laden and the terrorists, even when they moved into Kashmir. But afraid of India and Pakistan you instead decided to attack one of the few arab countries in the Middle East that had nothing to do with the event that started it all.
And now, the man responsible for the original act, is laughing at you.
Laughing.
Cause you’ve helped his recruitment program to the point of overflowing, and elevated him to the status of a God.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:24 pmYou sit there and call us the ones who would “appease our enemies”, but when the real threats to us, the countries that can hurt us step up, you stand down.
You back away from real fights, and only pick on tiny defenseless backwards nations.
Countries who couldn’t possibly defend themselves against us in open warfare.
But then, when a country like North Korea steps up, oh well then you’re suddenly the consumate diplomats.
Which is why your “tough talk” is so laughable.
You’re a joke.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:31 pmAugust 19th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
Well said Worfeus.
But none of the repugs can understand the language of progress and peace. They are way too involved in forgoing any of it for the sake of what seems to be a much more profitable “way of doing things”. Keeping the big wheel of terrorism well “oiled”, control MSM by supressing the facts, by using fear tactics IS the price this government make US pay psychologically, economically, politically and strategically with the rest of the world in the coming years.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:56 pm[...] The Week In Network News By sdmoderate Think Progress has some figures related to the news coverage afforded a couple of topics that were making waves this week. [...]
August 19th, 2006 at 10:33 pm[...] Something is broken when a story about a guy who looks to have made a bogus confession about killing a girl ten years ago trumps a major court ruling about the power of the president to break the law. It doesn’t matter whether you agree with the court’s opinion or not, frankly, because as long as you are paying attention to what is happening in this country the ruling on Thursday mattered deeply. Beyond that, the decision was tremendously quotable. Unlike the creepy guy who may or may not have killed Jonbenet Ramsey who mumbled a few words, Judge Taylor actually said something. She chastised Bush for behaving like a “hereditary King[]” and yet the media gave it little coverage. ThinkProgress lays it out empirically: ABC devoted twice as much time to Ramsey as it did to the NSA story. More egregiously, CBS offered seven times as much airtime to Ramsey as it did to the NSA story, while NBC devoted 15 times more airtime. Below is a comparison of the allocation of time made by each network: [...]
August 19th, 2006 at 11:09 pmI posted in here the day the story came out that it all seemed too convienent to me.
I pointed out that the guy looks republican, and looked like he was lying.
My guess is he is some sort of child perv, who the republicans had something on.
They leaned on him, and promised him a deal of some sort if he’d confess to the Ramsey killings. Since he was already likely facing prosecution on some other issue, leaning on him was easy.
Sound pretty close?
August 19th, 2006 at 11:19 pmlet me see
1) the Iraq war just outlasted WW!!
2) We just passed 2600 Dead in Iraq.
3) Israel is inviting Syria to join the war in Lebanon.
5) US is sabre-rattling about Iran.
6) Russia is arming Iran!
7) Brit Minister calls Bush ‘Crap’!
8) China is arming.
9) Venezuela is arming!
10) Afghanistan is growing record poppy crop for heroin!
11) British allegedly uncover large terrorist cell and plot.
12) judge courageously rules against Bush/Cheney/ Gonzales.
So it’s only natural we get 36 hours of JBRamsey, right?
August 20th, 2006 at 1:26 am“”if you do not have any thing to hide you have nothing to fear!!!”"”"
it is my opinion that people who say this are short sighted. EVERYONE on the planet has some bit of themself that they don’t want SOMEONE on the planet to find out about, whether it be something evil like planning a crime or something benign like planning your wifes next birthday surprise. It would be very bad for us all if our government, or any other government or group, were allowed TIA on us all. The reason i feel this is a bad thing is because not only the govt as an entity would have access to this information, but other(s), like criminals, persons of influence, unscrupulous govt employees, or maybe even your wife before her next birthday, could possibly get access to some/or all of this information.
its called a slippery slope for a reason…….
August 20th, 2006 at 1:29 am[...] My attention was draw with coverage of topics like the bread and circus obsession with the JonBenet Ramsey case(and disregard of current realities like the NSA ruling), the regressions in Oil production with Iraq, or why some think tanks think we should just start ignoring global warming. [...]
August 20th, 2006 at 6:29 am[...] Something is broken when a story about a guy who looks to have made a bogus confession about killing a girl ten years ago trumps a major court ruling about the power of the president to break the law. It doesn’t matter whether you agree with the court’s opinion or not, frankly, because as long as you are paying attention to what is happening in this country the ruling on Thursday mattered deeply. Beyond that, the decision was tremendously quotable. Unlike the creepy guy who may or may not have killed Jonbenet Ramsey who mumbled a few words, Judge Taylor actually said something. She chastised Bush for behaving like a “hereditary King[]” and yet the media gave it little coverage. ThinkProgress lays it out empirically: ABC devoted twice as much time to Ramsey as it did to the NSA story. More egregiously, CBS offered seven times as much airtime to Ramsey as it did to the NSA story, while NBC devoted 15 times more airtime. Below is a comparison of the allocation of time made by each network: [...]
August 20th, 2006 at 9:22 am[...] On Thursday, when a federal judge ruled the NSA wiretapping program was illegal, that was huge news to us on the blogosphere. The network media didn’t feel the same. Think Progress put a table together of the time the big three networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) devoted to the story on their nightly news and compared it to the time they spent on the Ramsey case. NBC spent seven minutes and 39 seconds on Ramsey and only 27 seconds on the NSA ruling. ABC actually did the best; they spent four minutes and three seconds on Ramsey and two minutes on the NSA ruling. [...]
August 20th, 2006 at 6:21 pmHmmm. Lets see. Yesterday I posted this.
My guess is he is some sort of child perv, who the republicans had something on.
They leaned on him, and promised him a deal of some sort if he’d confess to the Ramsey killings. Since he was already likely facing prosecution on some other issue, leaning on him was easy.
Sound pretty close?
Comment by WORFEUS — August 19, 2006 @ 11:19 pm
Today we read the following.
JonBenet suspect heads to U.S. in style
By JOCELYN GECKER,
Associated Press Writer
42 minutes ago
ABOARD THAI AIRWAYS TO LOS ANGELES – John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate fried king prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States.
As Karr wined and dined in style and chatted with the three U.S. officials escorting him, another bombshell emerged: Reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.
His Thai Airways International flight took off about 8 p.m. (9 a.m. EDT) for the 15-hour flight to Los Angeles. Karr’s journey will eventually end in Boulder, Colo., where he is expected to face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in connection with the young beauty queen’s 1996 killing.
Karr, dressed neatly in a red, short-sleeve, button-down shirt and black tie, was not handcuffed while being whisked through Don Muang International Airport in Bangkok. At the departure gate, he talked amiably with fellow passengers.
The 41-year-old teacher sat in a business class window seat next to Mark Spray, an investigator with the Boulder County District Attorney’s office. A U.S. Embassy official and an agent with “Homeland Security” on his T-shirt were also part of the escort party.
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August 20th, 2006 at 7:42 pmAre we learning yet?
August 20th, 2006 at 7:45 pm357
…… The reason i feel this is a bad thing is because not only the govt as an entity would have access to this information, but other(s), like criminals, persons of influence, unscrupulous govt employees, or maybe even your wife before her next birthday, could possibly get access to some/or all of this information. ….
You a slippery slope like government run healthcare?
August 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pm342… Sounds to me Sun Tsu was advocating deadly swift overwhelming force over the enemy to me….
However i don’t understand why you or any progressive like to use Sun Tsu quotes when you guys are against war and killing of any form in the first place…
a fetus maybe?
August 21st, 2006 at 4:02 pmJust watch, Karr will not have done anything (Eg false confession), however if anyone bothers to investigate where the last few deposits in his bank account came from it will be traced to sham corporation funded by republicans…..where? what NSA ruling? I never saw that on the news just Jon Benet….oh thats the way it was supposed to be?
August 21st, 2006 at 5:42 pmHowever i don’t understand why you or any progressive like to use Sun Tsu quotes when you guys are against war and killing of any form in the first place…
a fetus maybe?
Comment by joneser — August 21, 2006 @ 4:02 pm
Nor do I understand how you or any conservative like to use the lie that us guys are all against war and killing of any form in the first place.
Just a liar maybe?
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:49 pm[...] But the media didn’t notice. They were too busy with the story of the child-killer who had finally, after a decade, been found and captured. As the Think Progress blog noted: Yesterday, a federal judge in Michigan issued “a sweeping rebuke of the once-secret domestic-surveillance effort the White House authorized following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.†The ruling was “a significant blow to Bush’s attempts to expand presidential powers,†but you wouldn’t know that by watching last evening’s network newscasts. [...]
August 30th, 2006 at 10:40 pm[...] On Thursday, when a federal judge ruled the NSA wiretapping program was illegal, that was huge news to us on the blogosphere. The network media didn’t feel the same. Think Progress put a table together of the time the big three networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) devoted to the story on their nightly news and compared it to the time they spent on the Ramsey case. NBC spent seven minutes and 39 seconds on Ramsey and only 27 seconds on the NSA ruling. ABC actually did the best; they spent four minutes and three seconds on Ramsey and two minutes on the NSA ruling. [...]
August 31st, 2006 at 12:25 pm[...] But the media didn’t notice. They were too busy with the story of the child-killer who had finally, after a decade, been found and captured. As the Think Progress blog noted: [...]
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