The Iraq war timeline
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perhaps there should be a pre-war part with all the pre-war information that led so many people to reject the war in the first place…the marches, the inspectors, etc
August 18th, 2006 at 7:44 pmThis is bad ass. How about starting your timeline before March 19, 2003? You could then include the UN inspectors and what they did and did not find, etc. Otherwise, this timeline is great.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:53 pmDems want to put Saddam back in power.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:01 pmTP,
I really do appreciate your dedication and the great research you folks do.
-Huzzah!
-GSD
August 18th, 2006 at 8:01 pmYou have Dems mixed up with Iraqis.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:02 pmVery nice work. And #3, before we invaded Iraq Saddam didn’t have much ‘power’ and it’s certainly been proven over and over that he wasn’t a threat. Now there’s a serious threat that comes from Iraq. As someone recently said, the Iraq war is over and Iran won.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:12 pmThanks! Wonderful work.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:16 pmRepublicans want to turn Iraq into an Iranian style theocracy.
Right back at you Esteban.
-GSD
Why do you want radical Ayatollahs who rallied thousands of Iraqis in support of Hezbollah last week to take control of Iraq?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:21 pmHey TP, if the reichwing sites bans liberals/progressives can we not eliminate these #%$^@# trolls?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:34 pmBravo TP!
You’ve admitted that liberals work for Al Qaeda! Great job! I knew you guys were up to something, but I didn’t know it was this big. Which states are you going to cede to the terrorists to obtain peace? Land is usually given to appease terrorists, I mean the wimpy leaders prior to WWII did it. Israel did it time and time again. I just want to know so that I can move out of those states before you surrender to them.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:34 pm#9
They’d have to ask George Soros for more money. Either they enjoy our comments or are afraid to ask.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:36 pmHo Chi Minh is a communist troll. He sold out America a long time ago.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:37 pm#12-
Even with all of George Soros’ money that flooded into the ‘04 campaign, Dems still couldn’t win.
Longfaced, mopey John Kerry went back to the senate to attack our troops again.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:38 pmRepublicans want to turn Iraq into an Iranian style theocracy.
Nope, the Dems do by wanting to cut and run.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:39 pmwhy is exley looking in all the TP corners for that one?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:39 pmno doubt just trying to pick a stoopid argument with ANYone…
i wonder who will oblige?
TP,
Why start in 2003? Why not start back after the first Gulf War and mention all of the sixteen UN resolutions that Saddam thumbed his nose at? Why not include the Clinton air strikes because his intelligence sources confirmed that there were WMDs. You guys are cowards.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:39 pmgreat work. thank you so much.
I agree with others that a timeline detailing the run-up to the war is equally important because so many lies were involved.
and there have been so many lies, it’s hard to keep track of them sometimes.
one thing I will never forget is that Bush made sure he told the Iraqis to leave the oil alone on the night the neocons made the United States an aggressor nation and openly violated the Geneva Conventions.
A day that shall live in infamy.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:41 pmT.P. ~ You’re head-o-the-class on investigative stuff. Now, if ya just the balls to 86 the trolls for talkin’ smack, this would be perfect.:)
August 18th, 2006 at 8:41 pmTimeline w/o Colin Powell?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:44 pmHow to make an argument- by exley
1. Capitalize HATE
August 18th, 2006 at 8:45 pm2. Put Liberals HATE freedom at the beginning of every one your pro-conservative arguments
3. Remember gay people kissing is wrong and against freedom, but my fat redneck ass walking in the shortest shorts in all the land is ok.
4. Last, talk about the return of good ol’ days like segregation, ahh the good ol’ days…………..
and there have been so many lies,
Yeah, from the Clintons. Billy Boy Clinton lied under oath.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:47 pmLOL, estaban.
you really have no argument. yes, Bill Clinton lied under oath. He should have told the Sciafe “pixies” (including Ann Coulter) that his sexual life was none of their business.
but you know what? the republican attack machine helped Clinton get re-elected because the American ppl don’t like you…because they, too, think that was none of your business.
but it’s really very funny that a lie about a blow job and the murder of tens of thousands of civilians has some sort of moral equivalence for you.
one more reason why republicans need to be removed from office.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:53 pmHey TP, if the reichwing sites bans liberals/progressives can we not eliminate these #%$^@# trolls?
Comment by Ho Chi Minh
Esteban & Alexander Alt are paid trolls, PLEASE TP COMMENTERS, lets not let them hijack all the threads this weekend. We’ve fallen for this crap before!
August 18th, 2006 at 9:01 pmGreat timeline, as usual TP. I’ll pass it on to the family…..not that it will do any good.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:03 pmSpongebrain “I Don’t Care” Bush should have a look at your timeline. Thanks!
August 18th, 2006 at 9:04 pmhey zooey – you wouldn’t believe how fast the MIN.WAGE thread went off the tracks…
August 18th, 2006 at 9:12 pmit’s so disheartening to watch happen…
Nice work ! Perhaps you can add informed perspective or quotes like these somewhere in your timeline
Jim Webb SLAMS Bush-Cheney Middle East Policy
“National security policy under the Bush-Cheney Administration is in total disarray.”
“Al Qaeda is stronger today than 5 years ago,” in large part “as a result of our occupation of Iraq.”
“Those who are leading us lack strategic vision.”
“The invasion of Iraq was a double strategic blunder” – a “diversion from…the war against international terrorism” and a quagmire that “has tied down our military in a costly occupation.”
“We should say clearly to the people of Iraq…that we have no plans for a long-term presence in that country.”
“Congress should make sure” that we don’t build permanent bases in Iraq “by banning any expenditure” for that purpose.
We need the Senate to fulfill its function as a check on the Presidency. When Senators take their oath of office, “it is to the Constitution, not to the Presidency.”
The Administration “planned from the very beginning to make war in Iraq.” They cynically used “fear and anger after 9/11″ in order to achieve that objective.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/16/202043/842
August 18th, 2006 at 9:12 pmWed Aug 16, 2006 at 05:20:43 PM PDT
Very nice work on the TimeLine… only one question… how many iraqi civilians have died since the beginning of the war? This year it’s in the 11000 range, but I want to know total so I can slap it at republicans who are telling me this war ‘isn’t deadly’
August 18th, 2006 at 9:28 pmjackfulasofy: I second the “pre-war” timeline. It should probably go back at least to the Project for a New American Century stuff. Perhaps even back to the first Gulf War or even back to the early 80’s (why not pull out the classic Rummy / Saddam photo: http://tinyurl.com/4yrtl).
August 18th, 2006 at 9:30 pmJake3988
August 18th, 2006 at 9:31 pmWhile you’re at it be sure to tell it to HRC too cause she thinks if we just had a better strategy and more troops we could win.
how could you leave mr. natsios’s appearance on nightline off of the list?
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/hoopla.wmv
August 18th, 2006 at 9:32 pmGeorge W Bush and his Neo-Con friends are responsible for the largest government in history.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:34 pm31
August 18th, 2006 at 9:35 pmAnd Israel’s pre-emptive invasion of Lebanon, which was wildly supported by corporate GOP and Dems alike, and way out in front was none other than HRC herself proclaiming how Israel was standing up for American values.
What does this mean?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:35 pmTP; Good time-line, a sent a link to some friends of mine. One reccommendation though. It would be nice to have a prequel- the run up to the war.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:37 pmHillary and Bill are part of the Carlyle Group, just like George Bush jr and sr. They are all just war mongers.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:38 pm#27 – Those are good questions. TP?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:39 pmSpudge Boy
Agreed
August 18th, 2006 at 9:39 pm#35 – Starting with the suggestion in #31.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:40 pmJune 7, 2006- Lt. Ehren Watada announces at a press conference that he will not deploy with his unit because he believes [justifiably] that the war in Iraq is a bogus war based on lies and deception. Hr becomes the first officer to take a stand against the war. A pre-trial hearing, labeled an Article 32 hearing, was held this Thursday and Friday at Fort Lewis, Wa., to determine if the lieutenant should be court martialed. The charges are missing movement, conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, and contempt toward officials, which include public statements that the lieutenant made which stated [correctly] that the Bush administration misled this country in its justification to go to war.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:42 pmJudd,
Just as before, you should create a .PDF of this, so that it is mobile and people can take it with them on a thumbdrive or other removable media.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:44 pmErroll, please keep us posted about LT’s case.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:48 pmThe trolls are really lashing out here with irrational comments. I guess being confronted with the truth is putting them under severe psychological pressure. Exley sounds like he is about to blow a gasket.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:00 pmIf everybody would like to jump on The Way Back Machine, here is an Iraq timeline that goes from:
To:
But you will notice that this “liberal media” oulet, forgot to include:
August 18th, 2006 at 10:04 pm
I forgot the link to the timeline:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/page/0,12438,793802,00.html
August 18th, 2006 at 10:06 pmHi jr.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:09 pmNOTE: Post # 11 has been falsely attributed to me. I did NOT write those postings. Someone has misrepresented himself or herself and posted material under my name. This “copy cat” poster has also submitted this material under my screen name on other threads. I would ask that the managers of “ThinkProgress.org†remove those postings or, at the very least, remove my name from them. When I registered on this site, I provided my e-mail address, thus, the identification of the impostor should be readily ascertainable. Thank you.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:14 pmNeoCons:
We can win this thing!!! Just give us forever and we will do it!
August 18th, 2006 at 10:18 pmLife is good, jr, because it’s Friday, and tomorrow Zoo Jr and I are going to see “Snakes on a Motherf*cking Plane.” I can’t wait. Life treating you well?
August 18th, 2006 at 10:19 pmNeoCons:
Our feelings cant stand the crushing words, “I was wrong”.
Anyone that tries to get us to say these words only do so because they HATE us.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:24 pmHey Exley,
I’ve noticed you [or your imposter] sidling up to Mighty Hag for a while now, has that been you or not?
August 18th, 2006 at 10:26 pmjr,
Yeah, it’s a big theater! At least 100 seats! Remember, this is Idaho we’re talking about. I’ll probably stand up and applaud when Samuel L. Jackson says “the line.”
You don’t sound too sure that things are going well in jr world.
About the timeline:
I think TP is a good place for those exploring the progressive idea. A “gateway” drug, if you will. :) I see the merits of a timeline such as you suggest, but I also see the value of TP’s pared down version. For example, I sent TP’s new timeline to my dad. He might read it. If I sent him a timeline that was super long, he’d delete it — no chance of him reading it.
Still friends?
August 18th, 2006 at 10:41 pm# 55….Zooey…As far as I know tonight at approximately 8:33 pm has been the first time my screen name has been usurped and postings made that have been falsely attributed to me. To my knowledge, all other postings made before 8:30 this evening have been mine.
On a separate (but related) topic: “Mighty Hag?” Was that necessary? Isn’t all the name-calling unnecessary. I know that I have never resorted to such juvenile tactics when debating on this site…even when I vehemently disagree with the other party. I think your friend Juan C would vouch for me on that point.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:52 pm359 – Where have I heard this before? Anyway, it doesn’t surprise me in the least that this administration might have cooked up something like this.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:52 pmExley,
It’s a warm and fuzzy pet name. It calls me “Zooscooper,” and I call it “Mighty Hag,” or some variation. It’s all in good fun — really — we rarely engage each other. I’m sure Jaun would back you up on that, he’s very sweet.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:54 pm#63…Okay, Zooey…That’s cool.
“It” ????
I agree that Juan C treats people with respect. Him and I could NOT be further apart politically or ideologically. Our discussions can be spirited. But neither one of us resorts to name-calling.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:57 pmSaddam Capture Fiction,
While I think the whole thing is a made up PR sham, you won’t get any buy in from moderate republicans on that one. Why, because Abou Rabeh is Lebanese. The wingers will just say “He is a Hezzbola infiltrator. You can’t believe him.” Even though that story came out back when Lebanon was a US ally in the “Global War on Terror”
The moderate republicans are the ones we need to awaken. The Neo-Cons are a lost cause. The problem is that the conservative media has made Lebanon the bads guys. So, they won’t believe that story, no matter how true it is.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:58 pmAs the nearly 3000 murders and the hundreds of billions of dollars show, President Bush FUCT UP during 2000-2001.
First of all, moron, Bush didn’t take office until Jan 2001.
Secondly, Clinton never got bin Laden in 8 years after many chances to do so, including three offers from the sudan to turn him over.
So, you’re a lying piece of crap.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:12 pmGo exercise.
I bet you both are chubby.
So says the fat ass who never moves.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:15 pmI think your friend Juan C would vouch for me on that point.
Comment by Exley — August 18, 2006 @ 10:52 pm
Thank you for that comment. Really.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:18 pmI really you had lost it when I saw that post in the other thread talking to MA. Somehow I knew it wasnt you. I know you are a good guy, but, in my opinion, your ways of doing good things are wrong. But its OK that we can discuss about it.
What exactly could clinton have charged him with during those 8 years?
You can indict a ham sandwhich in this country, dipshit.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:18 pmExley, in light of your explanation in #50 I retract the attribution of #11 to you in #40.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:18 pmI’m sure Jaun would back you up on that, he’s very sweet.
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2006 @ 10:54 pm
Now Im the sniffy one. :)
August 18th, 2006 at 11:20 pm#75
Clinton failed to do anything to bin Laden in 8 years, while Al Qaeda grew to the monstrasity that it did. He was getting bj’s while they were trying to kill us.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:22 pmHe was getting bj’s while they were trying to kill us.
Comment by Deacon Blackfire — August 18, 2006 @ 11:22 pm
Please, proofs.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:24 pmI bet you both are chubby.
Comment by Saddam Capture Fiction — August 18, 2006 @ 11:13 pm
Dude, thats mean, anyway, a little chub can be nice if there is proportion.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:26 pm#79
Whose duty was it to weaken the streghth of Al Qaeda from 1993 to 2001? It was Clinton’s. He didn’t do jack shit. And you praise him for it, because you’re a dumb ass liberal.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:26 pmDo I have to look at that Iraq war Timeline update?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:27 pmAnd you praise him for it, because you’re a dumb ass liberal.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:29 pmComment by Deacon Blackfire — August 18, 2006 @ 11:26 pm
Whatever.
It was Clinton’s. He didn’t do jack shit.
Comment by Deacon Blackfire — August 18, 2006 @ 11:26 pm
Blaming Clinton is always a handy one, good job mate!
August 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pmDude, thats mean, anyway, a little chub can be nice if there is proportion.
Saddam Capture Fiction knows all about proportion. He’s a lard ass.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pm#82 – For Truth,
Yes, you do. :)
August 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pmBlaming Clinton is always a handy one, good job mate!
He’s an easy target. He failed so miserably.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:31 pmthey served moosehead beer and i couldn’t believe it!!!
james
Made from genuine moose heads! We also have Kokanee beer, made from freash squeezed Kokanee (fish).
August 18th, 2006 at 11:32 pm#87
bin Laden was offered to Clinton three times from the Sudan. Easy as pie to pick him up. Clinton didn’t want to offend muslim voters, so he did squat.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:33 pm#91, yes.
Did Clinton fail miserably in doing anything to degrade Al Qadea? Yes he did. He was more worried about hooking up with the next intern than going after this country’s enemies.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:36 pm“It†????
Comment by Exley
MA posts here as a female, but I can’t shake the feeling he/she’s a man. “It” is neutral.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:36 pmAre you so dull and dimwitted the only thing you can do to refute their views is to try and waste the bandwidth of those you hate?
Comment by Saddam Capture Fiction — August 18, 2006 @ 11:37 pm
Didnt you leave the glue open or something? Shut up, buddy.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:38 pmAre you so dull and dimwitted the only thing you can do to refute their views is to try and waste the bandwidth of those you hate?
Comment by Saddam Capture Fiction
Yes, I am. Happy? Get bent, troll.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:38 pmThanks, Juan. Always a pleasure. :)
August 18th, 2006 at 11:39 pmI will post this again:
August 18th, 2006 at 11:39 pmI’m sure Jaun would back you up on that, he’s very sweet.
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2006 @ 10:54 pm
Now Im the sniffy one. :)
Thanks, Juan. Always a pleasure. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2006 @ 11:39 pm
Whats that Snake mot**fu** plane thing?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:40 pmNow Im the sniffy one. :)
Comment by Juan C
I missed that! It’s true, you know. Speaking of true, she hasn’t been around.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:41 pmshe hasn’t been around.
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2006 @ 11:41 pm
She hasnt e-mailed me, neither. :|
August 18th, 2006 at 11:43 pmWhats that Snake mot**fu** plane thing?
Comment by Juan C
It’s a new movie, actually called “Snakes on a Plane,” starring Samuel L. Jackson. Somehow poisonous snakes are smuggled onboard an airliner, and Jackson saves the day. I’m sure it’s terrible, but I need a good laugh! Google Internet Movie Database (or Snakes on a Plane), and I’m sure you’ll find it.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:43 pmWhat exactly could we charge Bin Laden with when he was offered up?
Didn’t I already answer you, moron? You can idict a ham sandwich in this country. Too stupid to read it the first time?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:45 pmShe hasnt e-mailed me, neither. :|
Comment by Juan C
She was going to Boston, maybe they stayed over. She’ll turn up over the weekend, I’m sure.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:46 pmPresident George W. Bush has succeeded in executing his “most solemn duty†of protecting the USA from hostile attack.
Yes he has, and he continues to do so, despite constant harping to retreat from the enemy from liberals. Bill Clinton uterley failed. He didn’t do anything for 8 years.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:46 pmstarring Samuel L. Jackson
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
I would see it just for him. Terrific actor. I just saw: Thanks for smoking. Funny.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:47 pmDoes that explain why Bush has failed miserably to degrade Al Queda?
You can’t read, dimwit? Bill Clinton failed to degrade al qaeda for 8 years. HE DID NOTHING.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:47 pmShe’ll turn up over the weekend, I’m sure.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:48 pmComment by Zooey — August 18, 2006 @ 11:46 pm
Hopefully. She is really a nice person. I was kidding about the e-mail, BTW.
How was work, Zoo? Do you work on Saturday?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:49 pmDo you work on Saturday?
Comment by Juan C
Hell no! All the felons have to wait in jail until I’m at my desk, and the Judge is on the bench, Monday morning. Good day today, Juan?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:55 pmWhy are you guys defending Clinton? I dont see people on here trumping clinton all the time… about the only people that even brind him up are the republicans.
#1) Bush did not stop 911 despite lots of warnings from Clinton himself down to FBI agents sending in report after report (hundreds of them) to the CIA spelling it out in black and white in a report which he ignored…. we are even told the Bush and several of his inner circle told these people they dont want to hear about it anymore…
#2) Bush stoped thinking about Osama not long after 911 .. he said so on video.
#3) Let Osama get away into Pakistan and didnt go after him because Pakistan has “THE MUSLIM BOMB” …
#4) Saudi Arabia has paid NO price for all their support for Al Qeada… and remains an ally of the Bush family and the other NeoCons.
#5) Distracted America from those that attacked on 911 by attacking Iraq and then pushing the idea that we must destroy Shiite Iran when Sunni Saudi Arabians were the 911 terrorists. And then removes a Sunni government in Iraq and replaces it with a Shiite government aligned with …. Iran….
#6) Never captured the Anthrax mailer.
#7) Did everything in their power to stop an investigation into 911 and then when that failed they pulled all kinds of stunts like Chenney and Bush testifying TOGETHER like a couple crooks that dont want their stories to get mixed up.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:57 pm#74…Thank you, RealScientist. I don’t know why anyone would do such a thing as post diatribes and then falsely attribute it to someone else. It is so childish.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:59 pmThe timeline is yet another reminder that this war in Iraq is/was ill-concieved from the get go.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:00 amGood day today, Juan?
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2006 @ 11:55 pm
Yeah, not very productive, but it was OK. It has been a long time since I drank beer with faculty friends. And then, went out with my girlfriend, but traffic jams here are really depressing. I just got back and looked at the thread where this Alexander guy went in. Ha! Everybody jumped on him. He wasnt dumb.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:01 amI don’t know why anyone would do such a thing as post diatribes and then falsely attribute it to someone else. It is so childish.
Comment by Exley
I agree.
All you idiots who use other’s names to put up screaming asshole comments, grow a pair of balls, and do it over your own sign-on name.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:03 am#72….Yeah, Juan, I think that was what someone wanted you and others to think–That I had “lost it.”
We may disagree (often strongly so!) but I like to think our discussions have (for the most part) been marked with mutual respect and civility.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:03 amAnyone else getting “Word Press” error messages/
August 19th, 2006 at 12:17 amAll you idiots who use other’s names to put up screaming asshole comments, grow a pair of balls, and do it over your own sign-on name.
Yeah, Im with you!
August 19th, 2006 at 12:17 am#121 was me. ;)
August 19th, 2006 at 12:18 amAnd, yeah, I got those messages. In fact they happen every day at this time.
Apparently I’m talking to myself, and I’m a real bitch.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:18 amWe may disagree (often strongly so!) but I like to think our discussions have (for the most part) been marked with mutual respect and civility.
Comment by Exley — August 19, 2006 @ 12:03 am
Hey, buddy. One question: In your opinion, we would be seen, as we see you, in a conservative blog?
August 19th, 2006 at 12:20 am#114, if Bush did such a bad job why did he and the Republicans keep getting reelected? The Dems have suffered many defeates over the past 5 years. They are weak on national security, and this is backed up by Bill Clinton not doing anything against al qadea for 8 years to mitigate the threat.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:20 amOh…I forgot to change the name…Really sorry!.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:23 am#122 and 124 was me. What an ass. Sorry.
Juan,
I understand.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:24 amIncoming….Good evening Zooey, ladies and gent’s and all children or trolls on TP. I thought the time line was pretty good, missing some things I might have put in but what the hay I wasen’t doing the job.
It appears we are still getting the way old new’s about the Clinton bj. This leaves any inteligent old woman to think there are a lot of jeolesy issues on males that post about that countless times. Not getting enough go do something about it and shut up. We won’t ask and we won’t tell because we don’t give a damn about your sex lives or lack thereof and we don’t care about Clintons either. Clinton did a fine job as president and our country was in good shape during his term and no it was not because of the Rep’s or the slimy Newt either. Clinton is still a statsmen and held in high regard around the world. Something bush and company can not hold a candle to..Clinton is and was a good diplomat……..bush is a foney blustering coward with no social graces….He needs help to wipe his own ass.
Fast forward please to Jan..2000 untill Aug.18, 2006 bush and company..bush is the worst president in the history of our country, had more vacation day’s than any president ever is inefectual and been AWOL his entire term except for photo op’s. chaney and the rest of the merry waramongers are in charge of this presidency and pull his strings…..bush is a drunk, crack whore and has sold out america and her people since he was installed…..My guess he is also impitent as most of these bloated, soft hand’s, no neck, rich old white men that have done booze and drugs are……..
Time for the children and trolls to go to bed……Brought to you by the little old lady from Pasadena…….Blessings
August 19th, 2006 at 12:26 amAfter the bombing of the USS Cole the Clinton Administration had drawn up a comprehensive plan for fighting Al-Qaeda. But they didn’t want to execute it with a new President taking office in a few months, so they briefed Bush’s team at the highest levels and told them how important it was that they carry it out. And then Bush did nothing.
Here are the relevant quotes:
[Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy] Berger says he told [his successor, Bush’s Condoleezza Rice], “I believe that the Bush Administration will spend more time on terrorism generally, and on al-Qaeda specifically, than any other subject.â€
The terrorism briefing was delivered by Richard Clarke, [] who had served in the first Bush Administration and risen [] to become the White House’s point man on terrorism. [He was] chair of the interagency Counter-Terrorism Security Group (CSG)[…]. Since the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole […] he had been working on an aggressive plan to take the fight to al-Qaeda. […] Berger and the principals decided to shelve the plan and let the next Administration take it up. With less than a month left in office, they did not think it appropriate to launch a major initiative against Osama bin Laden. “We would be handing [the Bush Administration] a war when they took office on Jan. 20,†says a former senior Clinton aide. “That wasn’t going to happen.†Now it was up to Rice’s team to consider what Clarke had put together.
Clarke’s proposals called for the “breakup†of al-Qaeda cells and the arrest of their personnel. The financial support for its terrorist activities would be systematically attacked, its assets frozen, its funding from fake charities stopped. Nations where al-Qaeda was causing trouble — Uzbekistan, the Philippines, Yemen — would be given aid to fight the terrorists. Most important, Clarke wanted to see a dramatic increase in covert action in Afghanistan to “eliminate the sanctuary†where al-Qaeda had its terrorist training camps and bin Laden was being protected by the radical Islamic Taliban regime. […] In the words of a senior Bush Administration official, the proposals amounted to “everything we’ve done since 9/11.â€
[…]
An aggressive campaign to degrade the terrorist network worldwide — to shut down the conveyor belt of recruits coming out of the Afghan camps, to attack the financial and logistical support on which the hijackers depended — just might have rendered it incapable of carrying out the Sept. 11 attacks. Perhaps some of those who had to approve the operation might have been killed, or the money trail to Florida disrupted. We will never know, because we never tried. This is the secret history of that failure.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:28 amI understand.
Comment by Yenta — August 19, 2006 @ 12:24 am
Cause I was gonna start bashing this moron with your name…and, you know, that would be almost unbelievable. :)
August 19th, 2006 at 12:28 amFast forward please to Jan..2000
Clinton was still president then. Whoops. This is when the stock market bubble burst and many people lost their life savings.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:29 amGeorge W. Bush is supposedly protecting Americans.
Let’s see. Al Qaeda waited until Bush was elected to launch the most deadly attack in US history and kiled 3,000 Americans. Bush didn’t stop that.
Bush then attacked Afghanistan to root out AQ, good start. Quickly got sold on Iraq and backed off of Aghanistan.
5 years later and Aghanistan isn’t pacified yet, it is one track to be the most deadly year for US and coalition troops and it has just produced the biggest opium and heroin crop ever.300+ dead US troops.
Bush went into Iraq, toppled Saddam quickly, sat back on his laurels and listen to Crumbsfeld tell him that there were a “handfull of bitter dead enders” harrassing US troops.
3 years later it is 2,600 dead Americans and now Iraq is slipping into an grwoing civil war and the Iranian backed mullahs are taking over.
There are terror warnings in the US every other day.
The only Arab democracy in the region was just bombed back 20 years by the US’ closest ally Israel.
Pakistan is a dictatorship where AQ runs amok. Hamas has taken over Palestinian Authority. Iran has the most radical president ever who has been telling the US to Fuck off for since 2001. Somalia is slipping into the theocratic Muslim sphere and Sudan is committing genocide in Darfur(Chimpy said not genocide would occur “on his watch”.
Mission Accomplished.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
August 19th, 2006 at 12:29 amTROLL MITIGATION
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If you agree that this would be a useful method to clean out these viscious trolls, then send a comment to the management using the CONTACT US link. If enough of us agree to a accept a minimal degree of limitation, then we can greatly improve the quality of the dialogue with minimal restriction. In my opinion, having a forum for intelligent, open-minded discussion is just as important as the advance political information we receive from this site.
I truly appreciate the efforts of the Think Progress team to create this kind of site. My intent here is to make it better.
Sincerely yours, stonehinge
August 19th, 2006 at 12:35 amCause I was gonna start bashing this moron with your name…and, you know, that would be almost unbelievable. :)
Comment by Juan
Because if I’m anything, I’m sunshine and sweetness. Who would believe I could bash anyone? *gag*
August 19th, 2006 at 12:37 amBill Clinton caught and prosecuted all of the first WTC bombers.
Bill Clinton caught tried and executed white, Christian, rightwing Tim McVeigh for blowing up a building with a daycare center in it.
Unabomber caught on Clinton’s watch.
Domestic terrorist and murderer of 4 federal officers, David Koresh wasn’t allowed to cut and run from his terrrorist acts.
Clinton stopped genocide in Bosnia and allowed democracy to return and didn’t spend the next 5 years telling everyone to be happy because “Bosnians can now vote!”
Clinton launched an attack on Bin Laden and all the Republicans who were busy trying to find out who sucked his weenie instead of finding out who the terrorists were said: “Wag the Dog!”
George Bush came into office and the terrorists knew it was time to hit the USA because there was a Republican in the Whitehouse and a congress that was Republican.
-GSD
August 19th, 2006 at 12:37 amPerhaps that number is too small, but I don’t think it needs to be much much larger for any legitimate user to express their views
Comment by stonehinge — August 19, 2006 @ 12:35 am
And if I want to reply, I´ll wait for the next thread?
August 19th, 2006 at 12:41 amMaybe no more than 20 lines per post?
Zoo, our hijackings are doomed. :(
Sharon,
I’m laughing my ass off, you’re the greatest! “Merry warmongers,” oh god…
August 19th, 2006 at 12:41 amZoo, our hijackings are doomed. :(
Comment by Juan
Yeah, TP will listen to stonehinge about as much as TP listens to any of us. Pffft.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:45 amClinton stopped genocide in Bosnia and allowed democracy to return and didn’t spend the next 5 years telling everyone to be happy because “Bosnians can now vote!â€
Comment by GSD — August 19, 2006 @ 12:37 am
Wrong. Sorry.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:47 amIm with you in everything you post, and I know a lot of people here is Clinton´s fan, but thats wrong. The genocide began after NATO began the bombing.
Bill Clinton caught and prosecuted all of the first WTC bombers.
You mean the one guy? Bill Clinton did nothing to mitigation the qaeda network for 8 years. Bush has launched a war to degrade the threat. Clinton got a bj.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:47 amActually, the stock market dot com bubble burst in 2001, during Bush’s presidency. I work in the technology industry. The dot com buble burst because people found out that the anti-science/technology republicans had taken both houses and the executive branch.
Just Google “dot com bubble” or do you not know how to Google sh!t?
August 19th, 2006 at 12:48 amThe collapse of Enron, and the rest of the collapse was in 2001.
But they did their dirty deeds during the culture of corruption, the Clinton Years. Bush brought them to justice when the adults took over.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:49 amClinton got a bj.
Comment by Deacon Blackfire
I think someone else needs a bj…
August 19th, 2006 at 12:49 am#141, yes you are correct.
But this was set in motion during the Clinton years when his Justice Department brought suit against Microsoft. This led to the dot com collapse. The 90’s was the culture of greed.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:51 amDumbsh!t, Ken Ley and George Bush are/were friends. You are amazingly stupid.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:51 amDumbsh!t, Ken Ley and George Bush are/were friends. You are amazingly stupid.
Lay went golfing with Clinton, pencile neck.
Enron did it’s illegal activity during the last three years of the Clinton adminstion when greed was taking over.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:54 amI think someone else needs a bj…
Comment by Zooey — August 19, 2006 @ 12:49 am
Yeah, you know, this same afternoon I was thinking that maybe…
August 19th, 2006 at 12:54 amoh, you meant Deacon! Yeah, sure…
:)
Dumbass, Microsoft deserved to get served by the DoJ for their unlawful business practices and it had nothing to do with the dot com burst. If anything, MS brought it on by swallowing up, intimdating or running out of business all of the start-ups.
Not to mention that they were only given a slp on the wrist by the US DoJ. But, were then sued by the Eurpoean Union, to which they still owe $600 million.
You don’t know much about the technology industry do you?
August 19th, 2006 at 12:55 amYeah, you know, this same afternoon I was thinking that maybe…
oh, you meant Deacon! Yeah, sure…
:)
Comment by Juan
Settle down, Don Juan. :)
August 19th, 2006 at 12:59 amMicrosoft deserved to get served by the DoJ for their unlawful business practices and it had nothing to do with the dot com burst.
You deserve to get served for stupidity. This law suit led to the dot com burst.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:03 amSettle down, Don Juan. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 19, 2006 @ 12:59 am
You know, at my age, all pleasure is found in a good book.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:03 amLike Juggs or something like that. :)
Thank’s Zooey,….What no more hijacking the thread.? Damn, we had fun with that one. Wasen’t it that Jason guy who pitched a fit the morning you, Unbelievable, madashell and I got on our roll. He pitched a fit, we sent him packing and took up another 2 hours with trivia and B.S…It was an open thread, we had a right, not much traffic and we got rid of the trolls…Good game that day..Glad to see the job’s going well…..Time out for this old woman…….Any new’s from any of our Democratic representatives?…the silence is defening…..Blessings
August 19th, 2006 at 1:03 amNo it did not and you saying so only shows your ignorance of the technology industry and shines a light on your stupidity.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:04 am…….Any new’s from any of our Democratic representatives?…the silence is defening…..
Yes it is. The Dems offer no plans, agenda or solutions to the nation’s problems.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:05 amYou are too stupid to understand the plan, even if we told you for the millionth time.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:06 amDeke – Couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with PE ratios of 125 or any such bidness kinda stuff, huh?
August 19th, 2006 at 1:06 amI think someone else needs a bj…
Stop teasing Juan. Heh.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:07 amNo it did not
Yes it did.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:07 amYou are too stupid to understand the plan, even if we told you for the millionth time.
The plan is that Democrats hate Bush and they are going to try to impeach him. Good luck with that, assface.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:08 amGood times, Sharon, have a great weekend. I keep hoping for the Dems to show up, although I don’t have any Dem representation!
Deacon,
So we should all come over to the “dark side” because the Dems are quiet? No thanks, the right’s death toll is too high.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:08 amStop teasing Juan. Heh.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:09 amComment by Deacon Blackfire — August 19, 2006 @ 1:07 am
Go back to your mom´s basement.
Couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with PE ratios of 125 or any such bidness kinda stuff, huh?
There are stocks now with 125 pe’s.
But yeah, the greed of the Clinton years was part of it.
The lawsuit against Microsoft kicked off the collapse.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:10 amZoo, Im off. Nice to find you. See you later.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:10 amEverybody take care. Be well.
DotCom Mania: The Rise and Fall of Internet Stock Prices
Eli Ofek1 and Matthew Richardson2
Abstract
This paper explores a model based on agents with heterogenous beliefs facing short sales restrictions, and its explanation for the rise, persistence, and eventual fall of Internet stock prices. First, we document substantial short sale restrictions for Internet stocks. Second, using data on Internet holdings and block trades, we show a link between heterogeneity and price effects for Internet stocks. Third, arguing that lockup expirations are a loosening of the short sale constraint, we document average, long-run excess returns as low as −33 percent for Internet stocks postlockup. We link the Internet bubble burst to the unprecedented level of lockup expirations and insider selling.
Hmmm. Nothing here at all about DOJ.. These guys must not know much.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:11 amThe Journal of Finance
Volume 58 Page 1113 – June 2003
doi:10.1111/1540-6261.00560
Volume 58 Issue 3
Go back to your mom´s basement.
LOL. Mr. Sensitive.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:11 amGo back to your mom´s basement.
Comment by Juan
Heh. Juan, I bid you goodnight. Enjoy the whack-a-troll game!
August 19th, 2006 at 1:11 amJuan,
Look into the Bosnian war. The US/NATO bombing came after much of Milosevics cleansing was under way.
Slobo got his ass kicked by Croatia and he just kept moving closer to home trying to push out other groups.
The NATO bombing helped to topple him and end his ruinous wars.
Then he died in jail while on trial at the Hague.
P.S. He looked alot like Newt Gingrich, only with a much snappier hairdo!
-GSD
Bill Clinton set up an Osama Taskforce, Chimpy closed the taskforce down after saying” I really don’t think about Osama much”…..the line “when it isn’t an election year” was snipped out of the quote…snark.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:11 am#124….Zooey…I’d imagine your reception on a conservative blog would similar to my reception here, with some conservatives debating you with civility and respect and others submitting you to immature name-calling and insults. There are jerks on both sides of the politcal spectrum…and everywhere in between.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:12 amDeacon Blackfire,
How about this. Prove that the dot com bubble burt 1) before George Bush took office. 2) Prove that it was caused by the MS/DoJ suit.
Otherwise, STFU.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:12 amSo we should all come over to the “dark side†because the Dems are quiet?
That’s up to you.
But elections are about choice. The GOP is offering sollutions. The Dems are not and they are quiet.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:14 amBoy, Republicans whine about impeachment alot. They must be scared as shit which is why they are trying to get in front of that story.
Investigate the Bush Whitehouse like the Bush/Coulter Republican Party investigated Clinton.
-GSD
August 19th, 2006 at 1:14 am#169
Drop dead, you whiny bastard.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:15 amInvestigate the Bush Whitehouse like the Bush/Coulter Republican Party investigated Clinton.
Bush didn’t commit a felony like Clinton did.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:15 amComment by GSD — August 19, 2006 @ 1:11 am
I will read more about it. I promise. But I dont have too much faith in “US good doings”. Your record is really shameful, sorry to say that.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:15 amLeave you this.
#168 – Actually, Exley, Juan was impersonating me in #124, as a joke.
But you are correct, were I to go to a rightwing blog, I would be greeted poorly, and most likely banned within hours, if not minutes. But guess what, Exley? You’re still here, after all this time. Imagine that.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:16 amIf that is the best you can do, you are in bad shape.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:16 amEnjoy the whack-a-troll game!
Comment by Zooey — August 19, 2006 @ 1:11 am
Heh! You are doing pretty well. I like Spudge intensity.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:18 amBye, Zoo. Take care.
Solutions like big government No Child Left Behind programs. Big Gov’t and Big Business sops like the pharmacy/medicare pill giveaway.
Big government spying programs.
Big government propaganda boodoggles like paying Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher money to pimp the Bush Whitehouse line.
Trying to do away with the minimum wage.
Trying to do away with Social Security.
Trying to give more taxbreaks to the top 1%.
Trying to give the federal government power to take over state National Guard units.
Some solutions.
-GSD
August 19th, 2006 at 1:18 amSo we should all come over to the “dark side†because the Dems are quiet?
That’s up to you.
But elections are about choice. The GOP is offering sollutions. The Dems are not and they are quiet.
Comment by Deacon Blackfire
What about the second part of my comment, Deacon? You know, the part about the right’s death toll being too high. You didn’t address that part…
August 19th, 2006 at 1:19 am#175…Zooey? Juan C? , I am not sure who I am addressing anymore!!! But I didn’t say you would be treated poorly or banned. I said I’d imagine your reception would be mixed, as mine has been.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:20 amJuan, agreed.
Iran wouldn’t be in the shape they are in if our cheesebag CIA didn’t whack the duly elected leader, Mossadegh in the 60’s.
And Panama under Bush I…oh boy..not to mention Nicaragua, Vietnam and the list goes on.
Bosnia was one of the few better maneuevers. But Clinton sat on his doughy ass all during the Rwanda genocide……so did the UN…..France got in on the side of the genocidaires, the bastards!
-GSD
August 19th, 2006 at 1:22 amSolutions like big government No Child Left Behind programs. Big Gov’t and Big Business sops like the pharmacy/medicare pill giveaway.
The Democrats all say these programs aren’t fully funded. They would want to spend even more money and make government even bigger, lard ass.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:23 amI said I’d imagine your reception would be mixed, as mine has been.
Point taken.
But surely you know it’s true that the rightwing blogs will ban commenters in a heartbeat.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:24 amExley:
August 19th, 2006 at 1:24 am#124 was me asking you. But I forgot to put Juan C back as my poster name after I impersonated Zoo early in the thread. The question about the conservative blogs was mine. And, I was reading a blog in freerepublic. Really sick people, buddy. You are nothing like them, I can tell.
If that is the best you can do, you are in bad shape.
You seem to be in a coma, bird brain.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:24 amDumbass, George W Bush is responsible for the largest federal government in history. Next lie.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:25 amGeorge W Bush is responsible for the largest federal government in history.
And Kerry would kick his ass in scope, you twit.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:27 amGoodnight all! It’s been fun — mostly.
Have a great weekend, and go see “Snakes on a [Motherf*cking] Plane!”
August 19th, 2006 at 1:27 amBird brain? Did you hear that on a 1935 cartoon. Who the hell says bird brain anymore?
I know, a regressive republican.
Good job retro.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:28 amComment by GSD — August 19, 2006 @ 1:22 am
Or Chile, Panama, Argentina, East Timor, Angola, Cuba, Guatemala, Vietnam, NIcaragua, Haiti…
I dont say that US has all the blame. In all those countries there have been corrupted leaders (by the US or other forces, no doubt) allowing killings and lootings. But it is hard to argue with a big guy and his biggest club.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:28 amHopefully, there are critic people like you and a lot of others here.
Good night.
I had no idea you were also a pyschic. Isn’t belief in the super natural a liberal trait? Careful big guy.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:29 amI had no idea you were also a pyschic. Isn’t belief in the super natural a liberal trait? Careful big guy.
Count up his election proposals, pin headed bastard. It was much more spending than Bush. Tax and spend, big guy.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:30 amBird brain? Did you hear that on a 1935 cartoon. Who the hell says bird brain anymore?
If the shoe fits, kid. You are a bird brain.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:31 amRather tax the rich than borrow from Communist China. Smart fella.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:31 amRather tax the rich than borrow from Communist China. Smart fella.
He would tax everybody, just like you would, you socialist heathen.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:34 amOooooo. Bird brain. Heh. I would say that you sound like my grandpa, but that would be insulting my grandpa, which I would never do.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:34 amHmmmm, a socialist. Okay Mr McCarthy. So, you are going to resort to the tired old republican lines and here, I thought you were gonna be a real match. Bummer that you just ended up being another dumb republican.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:36 amOooooo. Bird brain. Heh. I would say that you sound like my grandpa, but that would be insulting my grandpa, which I would never do.
Your grandpa should take you to the woodshed with a switch and whip some sense into you, son.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:37 am#184…Thanks for clarifying, Juan. Yeah, I haven’t been to FreeRepublic very often. The few times I have been there, I have not been overly-impressed. Those folks seem a little extreme…even for me! I don’t see a lot of give-and-take over there.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:38 amI think that some of his republican neighbors in Oklahoma would have a coniption if they saw an 87 year old man spanking a 36 year old man. But, whatever your weird fantasies are. Freak.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:39 amOooooo. Bird brain. Heh. I would say that you sound like my grandpa, but that would be insulting my grandpa, which I would never do.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 19, 2006 @ 1:34 am
Your grandpa should take you to the woodshed with a switch and whip some sense into you, son.
Comment by Deacon Blackfire — August 19, 2006 @ 1:37 am
Its getting funny.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:41 amthink that some of his republican neighbors in Oklahoma would have a coniption if they saw an 87 year old man spanking a 36 year old man.
My bad. You sounded like you were 15 years old, boy. He should have done it when you were younger. Maybe you wouldn’t be such a big mouth smart ass liberal.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:43 amActually, both my grandpa and dad spanked me and I believe in a little spank here and there for big things. You see, you take me to be some kind of hippy liberal puke, but I am not. I am a former conservative who voluteered to serve in Operation Desert Storm. I have grown up since then.
Apparently you have not grown up.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:46 amI am a former conservative who voluteered to serve in Operation Desert Storm. I have grown up since then.
I commend you for your service.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:48 amThanks.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:48 amVERY important
you MUST tie the events and referance with links the PNAC agenda when the agenda is realized
you MUST show the signators of the pnac agenda as it relates to the aggresiion in Iraq
and you MUST document the pnac involvement with the claims in Iran
the links to this involvement are nicely recognized here
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Intelligence_officials_doubt_Iran_uranium_claims_0818.html
August 19th, 2006 at 3:06 amThe timeline fails to include any mention of the day when the Bush twins and Dick Cheney’s daughters shipped out with the 82nd Airborne headed to Iraqnam. They all wanted to demonstrate the committment of their respective fathers to bringing democracy to the Middle East. WAIT. Its 7:44 am eastern time on a saturday. I must be typing this in my sleep!
August 19th, 2006 at 7:39 amThere should be some mention of the whole Pat Tillman affair.
August 19th, 2006 at 7:55 amTHIS ONE IS MOST SIGNIFICANT:
AUGUST 20, 2003: Attack on United Nations Headquarters in Baghdad.
The U.N. special representative in Iraq [Sergio Vieira de Mello] and at least 16 others died Tuesday in a bomb explosion that ripped through the organization’s headquarters in Baghdad. … At least 100 people were wounded. [CNN, 8/20/03]
Think like a criminal.
What was the result of this attack?
The UN Pulled out.
Then What?
Other nations pulled out of the coalition over time – as each of these countries were threatened and attacked.
By whom?
Cui Bono?
Who else do we know that brazenly attacked a UN observer position just recently?
Israel.
On whose behalf are we in Iraq?
Israel.
How many Mossad Operatives are operating within Iraq? Hundreds?
Who blew up the Mosque that lit the spark for the civil war?
Cui Bono?
Open your mind.
August 19th, 2006 at 7:58 amVery good. Now if only the MSM would show something like this. No, they’re too busy bashing “cut-and-runners” with the help of the dozens of right-wing guests they give a pulpit too.
Please check out the brand new blog from SSA: Harmonious Dissent
August 19th, 2006 at 8:04 amhttp://www.harmoniousdissent.blogspot.com
Will Bush ignore the illegal wiretap ruling?
Right now on HD
http://www.harmoniousdissent.blogspot.com
Deacon- STOP LYING.
Richard Clarke, who worked under both republicans and democrats on nat’l security, noted:
It’s possible that the vice president has spent so little time studying the terrorist phenomenon that he doesn’t know about the successes in the 1990s. There were many. The Clinton administration stopped Iraqi terrorism against the United States, through military intervention. It stopped Iranian terrorism against the United States, through covert action. It stopped the al-Qaida attempt to have a dominant influence in Bosnia. It stopped the terrorist attacks at the millennium. It stopped many other terrorist attacks, including on the U.S. embassy in Albania. And it began a lethal covert action program against al-Qaida; it also launched military strikes against al-Qaida. Maybe the vice president was so busy running Halliburton at the time that he didn’t notice.
As has been noted MANY TIMES, the Clinton administration told the Bush administration that Al Qaeda was going to be their biggest problem. Yet the Bush administration DID NOT HAVE ONE MEETING to create a plan to deal with them.
Instead, Cheney formed the Energy Policy Task Force that, as the conservative “Judicial Watch” noted, allowed oil co. execs, such as Ken Lay to SET POLICY FOR THE UNITED STATES — and refused to allow imput from people who might represent the interests of the American people. What did Judicial Watch find after Cheney was FORCED to release some of this report? The Bush administration was dividing up the Iraqi oilfields between oil companies long before 9-11.
Not only is the Bush administration totally the whore of the oil cos, they also, across the years, have misread and mislead on national security issues…all the way back to the Ford administration.
Melvin Goodman,was the Soviet Office head of the CIA back when Rummy and Cheney and Wolfie and Perle (aka “Team B”)were lying about the Soviet threat.
Goodman noted that THEY WERE ALWAYS WRONG. They used a book that was created out of CIA propaganda planted in the European press to claim the Soviets were stronger than they were.
Emmanual Todd, a demographer, predicted in the 1970s that the Soviet Union would fall b/c it was an unsustainable system…and it did. The necocons try to take credit for the fall of the Soviet Union…another lie. In the 1970s, Rummy was claiming the Soviets had all sorts of weapons they did not have. JUST LIKE WITH IRAQ.
As far as Ken Lay…yes, he buddied up to power, but he let the Bush crew use his private jet to fly republican operatives to Dade County in the 2000 election fiasco to stop the vote count. Not quite the same as a golf game…subverting elections…golfing…hmmm, which might indicate who Kenny Boy (Bush’s term of affection) hoped would butter his bread?
Intelligence and police work will make terrorism a non-issue, not war on the world. It’s crazy to think that the U.S. can defeat non-state terrorism by war. We need to spend our time and money on those things that will work. The current policies have created more problems than they have solved….as expert after expert will note…invading Iraq was a terrible thing to do. It’s incredible but true that the neocons had no plans to stablize the nation. Now Iraq is a shooting gallery.
We need leaders who have a handle on reality.
The Bush League is a testimony to the strength of this nation because we have survived IN SPITE OF THEM.
August 19th, 2006 at 9:35 amA most formidable timeline. I, like many previous posts, agree that a prewar timeline would be enlightening as such a prewar view would put into context the manipulative aspects of Mr. Bush’s “pre-emptive war” policy. In fact, a prewar timeline would most probably cause a MSM implosion as all those media personalities would have to face their own buy-in to this debacle. That aside, when Mr. Bush announced his new “pre-emptive war” foreign policy, I immediately thought of George Washington who advised us to stay out of foreign entanglements, Dwight D. Eisenhower who warned us about the military-industrial complex monopolizing our nation’s resources, and of all people, Adolph Hitler who waged aggressive war in a pre-emptive strategy to take over territory.
Yes, I thought it at the time, and I still think it: Mr. Bush’s “pre-emptive” war foreign policy is alien to all that I have come to know about our country and democracy. Through his nonchalance, Mr. Bush has sullied the very nature of our country’s democratic heritage. Mr. Bush, every time you advocate the dilution of our Constitutional rights, you have surrendered a bit of our political heritage to the terrorists! If MSMBC can run a caption that asks if Mr. Bush is an idiot, I can very easily answer it by saying “yes, and look what he’s done to our nation and the world at large.”
It is one thing to run an oil company or a major league baseball team into the ground and then leave to have someone pick up the mess, but Mr. Bush, you have now taken your penchant of incompetent leadership to a whole new level – an entire nation and possibly most of the world! We will be paying steep costs, because of your “world view,” in the forms of innocent lives lost, foreign relations damaged, anti-Americanism increased, resources wasted, and America divided. All of this because of your ideological standing of neoconservatism. Mr. Bush is a prime example of what damage a person can do to a democracy when that person acts on a belief instead of good old factual information. -Kevo
August 19th, 2006 at 10:03 am“There are no (Iraq Invasion) plans on my desk right now.” – Bush, June 13, 2002
“You said we’re headed to war in Iraq. I don’t know why you say that. I’m the person who gets to decide, not you.” – Bush 12/31/2002
August 19th, 2006 at 10:16 amGreat posts Fauxreal and Kevo, Thank you for you’re info and insight..Blessings
August 19th, 2006 at 10:49 am1) You need to provide context:
An introductory paragraph,
A link to the pre-war timeline (Do you have one?), and
Both original(?) source links and TP links for each item
2) Slowy and where possible, upgrade the images to videos. I know Bush’s speech is “on tape”.
3) As a general rule the picture should come before the caption. It is proper style and the way people interact. Using the first item as an example, the title line is The Iraqi Invasion Begins, then W’s picture, then the caption for 3/19.
4) Now that Cobra II and Fiasco are available, readers will be aware of more military and place names so you can add details of military progress and discontinuity. Because these may distract, use a Javascript that allows the viewer to expand or collapse details.
5) When you introduce an item, such as Rummy Rope-a-Dope, costs, or Bush’s idiocy, provide a link to the ever-growing summary page so the reader can jump forward and back in your timeline.
6) Add more pictures of flag-drapped bodies and soldiers in the hospital. Make it the background image. This faux-war must stop!
7) November 18, 2005: Rep. John Murtha (D-PA)… Right up there at the top where I suggested a timeline for the pre-war folderall, should be a link to a timeline for opposition and alternatives. Democrats, pundits, op-eders, mothers, e-magazines, a whole host have offered other ways. Simply start with the world-wide, anti-war demonstrations that the US press never covered. This administration and the press has never allowed a discussion or debate to blossum.
8) And the item just beneath that is such blatant propaganda that I know Karen Hughs must be back in town. Easy: Provide a checklist for the “Victory in Iraq.” How are we doing?
9) OK, I am flumoxed by the April 12, 2006 entry and it’s follow-on. You may need to start another Web site titled: Lies They Knew When They Spoke Them.
10) There is, of course, the need to know “Where are they now?” Pearl, Feith, Wolfie, Tenet, and many others have been given rewards and slipped beneath the radar, but they are still somewhere and still influencial. Let’s keep tabs.
Sincerely,
Bob Johnson
August 19th, 2006 at 11:10 amwow… those are some excellent recommendations, bob johnson…
August 19th, 2006 at 11:57 amTP should hire another research associate, full time…
whatever it takes, we need that information… thanks!
In the timeline you might put something about Donald Rumsfeld, when questioned about the leadup to the war, telling Senator Clinton that he never tried to paint any rosy scenario. I’m not sure if that’s in the same direction as this timeline or not though.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:03 pmif the entirety of bushco gets their day before a court of law where their freedom on the line, i will think that there is a god, until they are here , i will continue to know that there isn’t
August 19th, 2006 at 12:29 pmGreat work! I agree with the many comments suggesting that you begin the timeline before March 2003. I’d suggest beginning with 9/11; it was only a couple of days thereafter that Rumsfeld contacted Wes Clark (I think it was Clark) to see whether Iraq could be implicated in the 9/11 attacks. Certainly another couple of important dates are Powell’s UN speech and the day Congress voted to give Bush the power to declare war (with a link to who voted yea and nay).
Also, it might be useful to add a few of the more telling statements from Republican politicians — especially the ones demonizing those who oppose the war as traitorous, or the capitulating ones from Dems. Pepper those among the items in this litany of idiocy, and you’ll be able to capture a bit of the prevailing mood of intimidation that has allowed this war to proceed.
August 19th, 2006 at 2:46 pmJudd,
you may want to look at those links
http://deafonline2.com/boult/2005/11/complete_timeli.html
cheers
August 19th, 2006 at 3:43 pmStarting soon after “Mission Accomplished” there was an almost continuous stream of reports of apparently unintended civilian casualties: a family in a car shot for not seeing a US checkpoint in time; children shot by a helicopter gunship while playing hide-and-seek; dozens more that made the news, probably thousands that didn’t. Obviously you couldn’t fit individual incidents like those into a timeline but how about some of the stories that came out mentioning them? Or the military’s policy of not doing “body counts”?
I seem to remember that according to a story (from late 2003 or early 2004) that I can’t seem to find just now, orders had come down, either from the Coalition Provisional Authority itself or from some Iraqi administrator under them, that Iraqi hospitals were to discontinue the counts of civilian casualties that they had been regularly keeping until then.
Later, well after the Abu Ghraib period, we got:
August 19th, 2006 at 4:05 pmPentagon Suppresses Details of Civilian Casualties, Says Expert, Raymond Whitaker, Independent/UK, October 31, 2004 (via Common Dreams)
“…We had considered ourselves at war with al Qaeda even before we knew its name or its reach. We had been working with friendly governments for at least three years to identify and destroy sleeper cells in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. We had arranged snatches of many al Qaeda operativesand had been planning to snatch bin Laden himself. In the Spring of 1998, bin Laden was indicted by Manhattan US Attorney Mary Jo White’s federal grand jury. The Counterterrorism Security Group wanted to add bin Laden to our list of snatched terrorists. In early 1998, we wanted to go on the offensive against al Qaeda. We also wanted to begin a major program to protect the homeland against terrorism, whether from al Qaeda or other groups. The events of 1998 would make it easier to PERSUADE THE CONGRESS AND THE MEDIA that we needed to do both…” – Richard Clarke
August 19th, 2006 at 4:15 pmEvery time Clinton raised a finger against terrorists abroad, refucklicans in congress screamed “wag the dog!” and did everything they could to delay and distract. The media went right along with it. When he had a chance, Clinton lobbed twenty something cruise missiles into Afghanistan and barely missed him, and again was screamed at by the protofascists. The barrier to real action against al Qaeda in the 90’s was CONGRESS.
Clinton left W with a warning that al Qaeda was his biggest threat and W ignored it completely. Intellligence contacts around the world were warning the CIA. FBI field agents sent in reports of middle easterners trainng to fly jets and were instructed to stand down. Now a few years later boneheads like dickon pissfire tell us it’s all Clinton’s fault.
HMMMM….
Ronald Reagan: “It’s all Johnson’s fault!”
Bush I: “It’s all Carter’s fault!”
BushII: “It’s all Clinton’s fault!”
Note Harry Truman: “The buck stops here”
Pussy ass refucklicans. Utter failure masquerading as expertise.
This entry:
August 19th, 2006 at 6:35 pm“NOVEMBER 28, 2003: Bush makes surprise Thanksgiving visit to Iraq, poses with fake turkeyâ€
Should read:
“NOVEMBER 28, 2003: Bush makes surprise Thanksgiving visit to Iraq, real turkey poses with fake turkeyâ€
Aug 20, 3:12 AM EDT
AP Investigation Finds More Than 80 Military Recruiters Disciplined for Sexual Misconduct
By MARTHA MENDOZA
AP National Writer
“More than 100 young women who expressed interest in joining the military in the past year were preyed upon sexually by their recruiters. Women were raped on recruiting office couches, assaulted in government cars and groped en route to entrance exams.”
Continued: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RECRUITERS_SEX?SITE=MNCLO&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
August 20th, 2006 at 9:01 amHow about adding a total after each supplemental spending bill…
August 21st, 2006 at 1:34 amHELLO!!!!????? Can we ALL say IMPEACHMENT????? N.O.W.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:38 pmYour timeline might include two incidents in the early going: failure to protect the museum housing 3000 year old antiquities from looting, an incident which happened around the same time as a tile mosaic of George Bush I’s portrait was being removed by US from in front of a popular Baghdad hotel. Saddam had bragged that Arabs walked on Bush’s face every day. Example of war priorities? Rumsfeldian thinking?
August 27th, 2006 at 9:09 amI say good job!
This needs to be brought to the forefront and never forgotten.
Print in the newspaper put on the radio…however way, it should be done and perferably before this 2006 election. So people can be reminded of the lies and the deceit.
September 5th, 2006 at 10:59 pmConsider this — The timeline should include:
1. RR’s use of Iraq as a foil to ger revenge on iran for the Iranian embassy hostage crisis;
2. Iran/Iraq War;
3. Donald Rumsfeld’s (DR) service as RR’s emissary to Saddam (SH), including photos;
4. USS Stark missile attack by Iraq;
5. The lead-up to PG#1 with the alleged rope-a-dope strategy to bait SH into invading Kuwait;
6. Coalition defeats SH;
7. PG#1 post war sanctions;
8. 1996 defeat of GHWB by WJC, and the resulting rise of GHWB’s DOD/NSC neocons into the PNAC. (Dick and Lynne Cheney were important players in securing the AEI’s endorsement of the PNAC);
9. The selection by PNAC of GWB in 1997 to be the GOP’s 2000 candidate;
10. PNAC’s 1998 letter to WJC on Iraq;
11. W’s 2000 campaign victory and over the next weeks he began combined bombing strikes vs. Iraq, indicating a longstanding plan by NSC staffers to step up hostilitities against Iraq.
etc., etc.
September 13th, 2006 at 5:09 pmGreat report. Adding the total number of iraq citizens killed would add to value.
September 18th, 2006 at 1:51 pmI like your timeline. However, please add Bush’s admission, around Sept. 21, 2003 (research to verify) that “we have no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to 9/11″.
Timelines like this help us remember so many of the lies that happen constantly during a war. Companion timelines of the Afghanistan conflict and perhaps of the Intifada will collectively comprise a history of this era, which will only come to an end when we all wake up.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:37 pmExcellent, the bush oil company’s incompetence displayed in a timeline. Please continue the timeline into Nov 07, when we through the oil pirates out of office… Things aren’t looking too good for these greedy, murderous, evil oil mongers.
October 27th, 2006 at 2:36 pmHow about an update? November 8, 2006: Rumsfeld resigns. New SECDEF nominated.
November 8th, 2006 at 6:15 pmIf we have killed all the necessary people, and all the weapons of mass destruction have been found then why are we still over there. It is all understandable to me now why troops are still there. The United States has to much money invested in this war to just pull out now. Money thats draining our economy rather than helping ourselves. What will it take for thr troops to be able to leave. I am glad that the Democrats have taken over the house. This timelinenis ngrest contnue with the updates.
November 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pmAren’t ‘President’ Cheney ‘Vice-president’ Bush such ‘good‘ Christians. Like I’ve ALWAYS said: “Whether Christian or Muslim fundaMENTAList love to hate and hate to love.
Rove, Bush, Cheney, hell the entire Rethuglican party are all a waste of human flesh!!! Send them along with Rush Limpboy, James Dobson, Jerry Falltohell, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Dr. Looza Shitslinger, Condasleeza Rice, et.al. to Irag and make THEM fight their worthless lie of a war.
November 26th, 2006 at 7:12 pmFantastic timeline. Although I do wish that you would update to the present.
Many Thanks!
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December 8th, 2006 at 3:52 amthis has to be the most disturbing chronology of events i’ve ever seen. nothing here is new, there’s just something about the lineage of ignorance and arrogance that makes it disgusting. I hope you Americans take your country back from these neocon monsters.
December 19th, 2006 at 9:11 amThe War In Iraq sucks. Your time line is awesome but update it, its 2007 now.=)
January 10th, 2007 at 11:29 amif bush is going to have so many army personel killed over in iraq why is he going to send more over he needs to give the familys he tearing apart alot more than he is bus and his father are both muderers of the us army not the iragis bush is a monster in my eyes and needs to do what is right for the peoples familys hes killing
January 11th, 2007 at 9:06 amGreat site. But let’s get in the hanging of our one time ally Saddam Hussein. He went to the grave with a lot of secrets that could be embarassing to the USA.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:52 amwhy does it stop in August 2006 when the war is still going on? are you bored yet?
February 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pmhello,
February 19th, 2007 at 11:56 amthis timeline has been quite helpful to me as i am in the midst of writing an argumentative paper on the war in iraq. i have enjoyed reading other peoples opinions and thoughts. i would like to know more about the events leading up to the ‘war.’ that would be quite helpful to me. if anyone can help me please send any information to my e-mail address: lah8813@yahoo.com
it will be greatly appreciated
Where’s the data re progress on rebuilding Iraq–schools, oil industry, hospitals….
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 amWars don’t make too much sense, so why are we continuing fighting with Iraq? This war has been going on for about four years now. Only one accomplishment has been which was killing Saddam Hussein. The only other thing it’s doing for our country is wasting money, lowering our population, and decreasing President George Bush’s popularity. We should stop sending out so many troops to war.
March 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmMillions of American soldiers are dying, causing our population to quickly diminish. Research shows that the average death toll for Americans in just twenty-four hours in Iraq is over 200 people. Families are losing their loved ones, businesses are shutting down, and produce is slowing down.
This war is costing the U.S.A. a lot of money, which is causing our national debt to reach the amount of three billion dollars. And, that price is increasing every second we fight. But, if we keep our soldiers here, it will help us pay off debts, study medicine for the injured and diseased, make more food, and build more schools and houses.
If president bush stops sending out more troops to war, his popularity will rise greatly. This will help his self-esteem and could help him make better decisions toward the country and economy. He could even save many lives, and save a lot of money. Even if he has less than a year left to be president, he could still make many more wise conclusions with the war and the amount of troops he may send out.
Wars aren’t the answer to solving our problems or getting what we want from Iraq. Our country is having a lot of difficulty only because people want to send 20,000 troops to fight in the war. This is a huge risk to take, and I think its hurting us plenty more than it should. We shouldn’t continue putting millions of people at risk of death