McCain Calls For Escalation In Iraq, Suggests Putting More Troops On The Ground
McCain Calls For Escalation In Iraq, Suggests Putting More Troops On The Ground
On NBC’s Meet the Press this morning, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) called for immediately adding more U.S. soldiers on the ground in Iraq. Echoing the failed strategy behind the escalation during the Vietnam War, McCain suggested that putting more troops in the middle of Iraq’s civil war would help the U.S. to ultimately prevail. Watch it:
As former administration officials and military generals have noted, a larger initial force was necessary to provide security on the ground and prevent the growth of the insurgency. But at this point in the conflict, a larger force is operationally impracticable. Slate’s Fred Kaplan wrote last year that the Army could maintain its current troop levels in Iraq, but it doesn’t have the capacity to “allow George W. Bush to send more troops to Iraq and Afghanistan†unless we institute a draft.
Beyond the practical unfeasibility of sending in more troops, McCain misdiagnoses what adding more troops at this point would do to the situation on the ground. As the Center for American Progress’s Iraq redeployment strategy argues:
A more visible presence of U.S. troops risks further stoking the flames of the insurgency by feeding perceptions of long-term U.S. occupation among many Iraqis.
Full transcript below:MCCAIN: The question is, are we going to be able to bring the situation under control now? I still believe we can. I think part of it has to do with the Madhi army and Sadr. Sadr has got to be taken out of this equation and his militia has got to be addressed forcefully.
GREGORY: But to do that, do you need more U.S. soldiers on the ground now?
MCCAIN: I think so. I think so. We took troops from places like Ramadi, which are still not under control and put them into Baghdad. We’ve had to send in additional troops as they are. All along, we have not had enough troops on the ground to control the situation. Many, many people knew that, and it’s — we’re paying a very heavy price for it.
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Fine, send his children first.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:04 pmAfte all, soldiers grow on trees. Just ask the Iraqi army.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:05 pmShoring up his support on the far right.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:05 pmThere’s nothing wrong with McCain that electroshock couldn’t fix.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:06 pmEvidently McCain is having a BIG VIETNAM flashback. You would think a guy who “lived” thru the Vietnam Conflict would understand pouring thousands of US boys and girls into a war zone DOESN’T WORK in a CIVIL WAR.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:07 pmShoveling more American bodies into this maw is exactly what we don’t need.
Hard To Be a Repulican
August 20th, 2006 at 2:08 pmWave goodbye to your presidential hopes Mr. McCain. The American people are not stupid. We are tired of pouring our tax dollars down a festering rat hole with no hope of a return on the investment, not even a thank you. If we are going to drive the country into bankruptcy I’d rather do it invesing in alternative fuels, schools, healthcare or ant of a thousand other causes.John McCain obviously doesn’t have what this country wants or needs. We certainly don’t want another Bush.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:09 pmI saw that. I was thinking, “Isn’t that what Kerry suggested during the campaign, like 2 years ago?”
Uh, it’s WAY too late for that. Pull most of them back to Kuwait. Send some to Qatar and send the rest home.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:11 pmGeorge Bush’s own LSD is Like, wow, psychedelic. Compare the lives of Timothy Leary and George Bush and tell me who did the most damage to America and the world.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:13 pmWould you let someone who spent 4 years in the Hanoi Hilton babysit your kids? Run your country? Run a ground invasion? Buy groceries?
August 20th, 2006 at 2:15 pmMcCain is now toast…He’s done !
Jim Webb SLAMS Bush-Cheney Middle East Policy
“The invasion of Iraq was a double strategic blunder” - a “diversion from…the war against international terrorism” and a quagmire that “has tied down our military in a costly occupation.”
“Al Qaeda is stronger today than 5 years ago,” in large part “as a result of our occupation of Iraq.”
“We should say clearly to the people of Iraq…that we have no plans for a long-term presence in that country.”
“Congress should make sure” that we don’t build permanent bases in Iraq “by banning any expenditure” for that purpose.
The Administration “planned from the very beginning to make war in Iraq.” They cynically used “fear and anger after 9/11″ in order to achieve that objective.
Good riddins McCain !
August 20th, 2006 at 2:15 pmWould you let someone who spent 4 years in the Hanoi Hilton babysit your kids? Run your country? Run a ground invasion? Buy groceries?
Would you let Bill Clinton babysit your daughter? No.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:21 pmMcCain, one of the Keating Five, has Bush so far up his ass that he can sound like a complete idiot that he is. What a waste of space that guy is!!!
August 20th, 2006 at 2:23 pmJohn McCain is turn into Bozo the Clown, and that’s not funny.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:23 pmWould you let Bill Clinton babysit your daughter? No.
Comment by Sam — August 20, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
The trolls are silent all morning, and when we finally here from them this is the best they can do?
August 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmSo Sam, are you insinuating Clinton is a pedaphile?
August 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmHow old are McCain’s kids? If he needs cannon fodder, he should start looking at home.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:29 pmCitizen McCain blathers on again. When are people going to get hip to the fact that this “centrist” is an out and out lunatic fascist?
August 20th, 2006 at 2:30 pm#12 Sam: Thanks for your irrelevant comparison. What’s your point? Why ask a question, answer it and then post it. Where does sarcasm lead to?
August 20th, 2006 at 2:31 pm“Conservatives” really do miss Clinton don’t they? What, with all his balanced budgets, peace and prosperity you might think they would forgive him one blow job–after all, disgraced Congressman Newt Gingrich had the US Treasury spend $75 million to “investigate” it. Never mind that Clinton could speak with knowledge about subjects important to our nation without using note cards made for him by Karl Rove. Clinton lies about blow jobs; Bush lies about war.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:31 pmI would trust my young daughter with Clinton. But never in a million freakin’ years would I trust him with my wife…
August 20th, 2006 at 2:32 pmI can’t believe it! When we were slipping down the slope in Vietnam the common method used was put more soldiers in country. All that did was add to the troops killed in action. John McCain should know better than that. Evidently the Vietnam war taught him nothing.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:35 pmhow in god’s name did this loser become presidential material ? just because he served in ‘nam and suffered the riogors of a POW dosn’t exempt him for suggesting idiotic things and being a moron.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:36 pmDems would let Iran obtain nukes because they are weak in the war on terror.
Comment by Sam — August 20, 2006 @ 2:29 pm
Boy, this guy Sam is a real crackerjack debater. He’s got all the lines down pat. He is like a caricature of a parody of a right wing Rove-bot.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:36 pm“Do not reinforce failure, rather , reinforce success”. —Sun Tzu
August 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pmW used to shove firecrackers up frogs; pretty strong sign of a psychopath… I’d choose Clinton over that freak any day of the week.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pmMcCain now knows Americans will elect anyone. A turd is a step up.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:38 pmHow old are McCain’s kids? If he needs cannon fodder, he should start looking at home.
A very small percentage of active military vote Dem. That’s because most Dems are unpatriotic.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:38 pmSome trolls get paid by the word. Some trolls get paid by the number of posts. It looks like Sam gets paid by the hackneyed, cliched, talking points.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:41 pmBut never in a million freakin’ years would I trust him with my wife…
Clinton groped a woman after her husband commited suicide. Kathleen Willey was her name.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:43 pmSam, that’s a lie.
All miliatry counties in Virginia overwhelmingly voted for Kerry in 2004. Look it up. Quit spreading lies.
OVERWHELMING
August 20th, 2006 at 2:44 pmKerry betrayed his fellow servicemen in Vietnam.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:46 pmSam, you’re a liar. Do you have any friends? Do you jerk off much?
Military families overwhelmingly voted for Kerry.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:46 pmSam: I got nothin’ — CLINTON! WAAAAAH!
August 20th, 2006 at 2:47 pmSam, you’re not going to offend anyone by bashing Kerry. And we already know what type of person bashes Clinton. Get a hobby, freak.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:48 pmMilitary families overwhelmingly voted for Kerry.
That’s a lie.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:48 pmDo you jerk off much?
Comment by The DLC are Frauds
Well, if we’re going in that direction…
Thank goodness for Clinton’s BJ, where else would Repubs hang their hats?
rim shot Thank you very much, folks, I’ll be here all week…
August 20th, 2006 at 2:50 pmSam, you’re not going to offend anyone by bashing Kerry.
He called his fellow servicemen rapists, killers, Gangis Khan. He slandered good men.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:50 pmI think we should offer Sam our thanks. He has kindly distilled all the long-winded, often incoherent, blather coming from Rove’s troll-bots into the canonical set of talking points. In effect what we are seeing is the pure distillation of all that emanates from Rove’s vast noise machine.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:51 pmYes, the conservatives do miss Clinton - -
August 20th, 2006 at 2:52 pmThis was just on Fox TV - one of their analysts said Lynn Cheney is a woman “of integrity” as opposed to Hillary Clinton. She also said Clinton was an “enabler” for her husband, and she even “took him back.” (Apparently there is no way for Hillary to have earned approval.)
Also, she said were Clinton to become president, her husband would be a “security risk.”
Fox employees are just sick and twisted partisan blabbers with nothing intelligent to say.
No wonder their fans are incredibly uninformed.
Thank goodness for Clinton’s BJ
Clinton is a sexual predator. He made many unwelcome advances on women.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:52 pmshe said were Clinton to become president, her husband would be a “security risk.â€
Clinton would be open to blackmail with all the women he “moved on.”
August 20th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#41 Just like I said, a parody of a caricature of a ….
August 20th, 2006 at 2:53 pmSam is one of those fans.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:54 pmSam believes the lies put forward by the Clinton-haters, and he repeats them.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:56 pmWonder if he has heard about Bush’s background? They don’t talk about it on Fox.
Sam is one of those fans.
I am a fan of this country. Most Dems, who are unpatriotic, are not.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:56 pmSam wants to talk about Clinton because his man, Bush is an abject failure and a dullard. It must make you feel pretty stupid to have cast your vote for “GOP” and instead get the neocon lies, debt. and unending war. Sucker!
August 20th, 2006 at 2:57 pmClinton is a sexual predator. He made many unwelcome advances on women.
Comment by Sam
There’s a difference between sexual predators and jerks, Sam. Jerks are cured by swift kicks to the nuts. Meet me on the corner, and we’ll if it works for you.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:59 pmEveryone here is “a fan of this country” we just aren’t big fans of Bush’s failed Iraq policy and puppets like McCain and Lieberman who want a continuation of the same failure. Clinton lies about a cum stain on a dress–Bush lies about reasons for a war that kills thousands. In the end, both are liars, but Clinton’s lies didn’t end with flag-draped coffins.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:01 pmSam just continues to prove my point that Fox fans don’t think- they merely repeat what their lame brains ingest.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:02 pmTo state that Dems are unpatriotic is so yesterday! The repugs wore that one out long ago. Now it is just a joke - but one that the likes of Sam would never understand. It’s sad to see someone with the mentality of Sam post his ignorance for all to see.
I think Pampero has it pegged when he says that seeing that Bush, the dullard and failure is causing Sam to feel stupid, so he is lashing out at Democrats.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m done with Sam.
He’s only here because he’s paid to draw us off topic on some important news today. I’m going to look for dixie’s troll list…
August 20th, 2006 at 3:03 pmYou know Sam posts just like Jerry
August 20th, 2006 at 3:03 pmSam are you jerry in disguise?
August 20th, 2006 at 3:03 pmTo state that Dems are unpatriotic is so yesterday! The repugs wore that one out long ago.
Comment by Marie — August 20, 2006 @ 3:02 pm
They can’t come up with any new talking points, so Sam can only reprise their greatest hits. It’s a sure sign of desperation.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:05 pmMaire: “Conservatives” and trolls like Sam have been duped by the neocons. What “conservative” victories has Bush delivered in 5 years? Bush’s stem cell research veto? Social Security “reform?” Harriet Myers? Sam voted “GOP” but he got “neocon-ed” OUCH!
August 20th, 2006 at 3:05 pmI don’t know about anyone else, but I’m done with Sam.
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2006 @ 3:03 pm
I’m not. Bring it on, Sam.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:06 pmFound it. Sam, you have violated #1, #3, and #4, and you’re now on the list.
TROLL ALERT (UPDATE)
Maybe we should just periodically post a list of known trolls/pest so that new readers can avoid wasting time with them. And we can keep each other up to date. I would love to someday debate a real conservative, but, trolls just waste our time.
Here’s an updated list to pass on:
I Hate Liberals
Seixon
Red Wolf
Chase
Giacomo
ren
Exley
Gary Ruppert
Jason M. Hendler
reddog
Mighty Aphrodite
Randy
Retired Republican Soldier
Antagonist
Tracy
COMMENT by Jim
theleftisnuts
big mike from ct
exley
Mr. Big
Esteban Calderone
Alexander Alt
Deacon Blackfire
Jerry
Sam
Here’s how to get on the troll list:
1) Provide no links. Just slurs and crap.
2) Put words in your opponents mouth by twisting the reply.
3) Twisting “cause and effect†using tortured logic.
4) Bottom line goal: Wasting our time and energy and making us angry.
5) Claiming your smarter or went to a great school to prove your better or know more or are worth more.
6) Using weasel words and weasel points from which you back down at the first sniff of an informed link.
7) Provide links to discredited or biased sources.
8) Pasting irrelevant telephone book size posts from conservative think tanks.
I welcome others to add to this list and post this list often!!
– dixie blood
August 20th, 2006 at 3:06 pmKeep up the good work with the troll list. It is a useful reference.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:08 pmRealScientist,
None of us can be here all the time. I think it is dixie’s intent that we add to the list from time to time, and post it. We should always make sure to give her/him credit.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:10 pmActually what McCain said was put every American except Texans and Arizonans in Iraq.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:10 pmThanks, Dixie, and thanks Zooey.
And Jerry (uh, I mean Sam), thanks for the laughs!
August 20th, 2006 at 3:11 pmThis is the first day I have seen posts by Sam and I am stunned by his stupidity.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:13 pmYes, he belongs on the toll hall of (in)fame, Zooey. He’s a real time waster. He seems young, impressionable, poorly informed, easly propagandized, and he thinks he’s cool.
We’re waist deep in the big muddy and the big fool says to push on.
Sam, I hate to break the news to you, but US troops DID commit atrocities in Vietnam. Ever hear of My Lai? Read about it.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:14 pmThanks Zooey. Most of the names on that list would be multiple posters, I’d say we have 4 or 5 of the jerks on our hands here, tops. Still, gotta weed them repugs out!
August 20th, 2006 at 3:18 pmDixie, I think you can consolidate Sam and Jerry. They are clearly the same idiot.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:19 pmYeah, maybe we can eventually identify the relationships, and have a troll list with things like “Sam = Jerry”
August 20th, 2006 at 3:21 pmBest news I’ve heard in a while. The further to hawkside McCain goes, the less likely we are to have a Republican president in 2009.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:23 pmI did not write comment #73. If there is one thing that is inappropriate here it is to post falsely under someone else’s screen identity.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:27 pmWhat a funny troll you are jafar.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:29 pmDixie, I think you can consolidate Sam and Jerry. They are clearly the same idiot.
Comment by JPark
JPark, even though I think they may be the same person, I thought I’d leave them separate, just in case they are twin trolls, separated at birth. :)
August 20th, 2006 at 3:29 pmBaltar: proceed to nfl.com
August 20th, 2006 at 3:30 pmZooey, eww, what kind of people would spawn such progeny??
August 20th, 2006 at 3:31 pmWhat exactly is the “Islamic cause?” Hate America for it’s freedom? I don’t think a left-leaning blog is the proper place for “conservative” trolls to come to spread their hate and intolerance. There are right-wing blogs where like-minded people can share all the GOP “victories” like Harriet Myers, the spiralling out of control debt, and Bush’s failure in Iraq.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:33 pmEvery county surrounding Washington DC voted for Kerry.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#69 was not me, evidently the trolls have figured out how to write other people’s names.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#75 is not me - I suspect it is SAM.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pmAnd #83 is highly trollpicious.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pm#67 Baltar: Favorite team–Michigan Wolverines. GO BLUE!
August 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pmI have sent email to TP moderators requesting that they remove posts #73 and #80, which were not made by me. I have further requested that they ban the troll that wrote these posts.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:39 pmThere’s only one thing I dislike more than Neocons who support democratizing muslims. And it’s muslims, jafar.
Mel Gibson was right. And I bet he’s got a pretty good assessment of islam arabs, too.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:39 pmBetween Sam and Baltar this thread has been highjacked.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:39 pmMcCain can’t seriously look at the polls and expect this message to resonate with Americans. Bush and Cheney have tape of him with little boys and they are making him the sacrificial lamb. McCain is an experienced politician, he wouldn’t be delivering this message unless he’s being put up to it. I’m sure in the end, Bush will insist it was all McCain’s idea.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:40 pmI don’t take kindly to anybody that tries to convert me, whether they be Muslims, Jews, Christian or Zoroastrians. I think Muslims and Christians are equally misguided with extremists in equal proportions. Don’t take my wish for peace and my hope that our foreign policy changes toward the middle east as anything other than my sympathy for the innocents that are dying because of BushCo. It is not because I believe that Islam is the right path, nor am I condoning what extremists in this world are doing; It is simply wanting to see social justice and peace.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmIf TP is on the job, we should soon see these posts falsely attributed to us removed, along with Jafar’s posts.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmBush supports Bin Laden family
Bush supports muslim dictators
Bush supports giving cash and democracy and ports to islam.
NOT THE DEMOCRATS. Atleast not this one.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmOk, jafar, my thought out post was obviously wasted on you, you right wing troll.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pm“McCain supported increasing troop levels in the inevitable Iraq disaster” will be a very nice Democratic campaign ad.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:44 pmThe Madhi militia is the government of Iraq’s problem, not ours.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:48 pmWhat Iraq needs today is a heavy handed thug like Saddam Hussein to squash it’s own internal rebellions. If we were to take on the religious fanatic militias, that will create more anti American hatred and more terrorists.
It’s time for us to leave. The Mission was accomplished. Bush avenged his “he tried to kill my daddy”.
Knock off using RealScientist’s handle. It is childish (but I guess you can’t really help yourself, can you?).
August 20th, 2006 at 3:54 pmWhere will McCain get his additional troops? Even if that crazy idea were acted upon.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmWe already have reduced standards (got to be a real comfort to guys in Iraq) raised the age elegibility, over-extended the terms of those already serving with stop-loss.
The man is just not making sense.
Obviously #108 isn’t me. But then many things are not what they appear here, the only thing that is as it appears is Jafar is an idiot.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:08 pmWhy are we in Iraq again?
August 20th, 2006 at 4:09 pmThey are back door drafting the inactive ready reserve, they raised enlistment to age 42 and they still can’t make the numbers. The only options are (a) draft - which ain’t happening, or (b) start a war that directly imperils the US, ala Iran.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:10 pmWhere will McCain get his additional troops?
Bill Kristol has explained, in his typically snotty way, that we have plenty of troops elsewhere that could be shifted to Iraq. And we all know that Bill is an expert. The Neocon fantasists would throw every American soldier in the world into Iraq, Iran, and Syria if allowed to, just to make sure they get their third world war and all the glory that will accompany it.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:10 pmWhy are we in Iraq again? AND what would having more troops there accomplish?
August 20th, 2006 at 4:11 pmKristol is wrong. you can’t just pull troops from Germany, South Korea, Okinawa, Diego Garcia, Italy, England, Greenland, etc because you have to replace those troops with someone. A lot of these troops and places support the troops on the front. If you hang a closed sign on any of the above bases, you don’t get bullets, toilet paper, food, etc. And there isn’t anyone to backfill, unless Bush gives his cronies civilian contracts to do the support work and send the support troops to the front. Nothing like being a clerk typist today and an infantryman tomorrow.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pmHey, some of you folks should join me over at townhall.com. Giving hell to the righties is good fun.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmAnd I strongly believe that down the road, the Bush Administration will be recalled as the most amoral, avaricious, criminally insane thugs that have ever set foot in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
-Water Tiger
August 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pmMcCain can say one of three things.
-Stay the course
-Pullout
-More troops.
But no matter what he says, it will change.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pmI go to Daily Kos when I want to bash righties.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:21 pmComment by jafar — August 20, 2006
I think that TP had better look into these statements. There is a set up here. Imagine these statements being used against TP.
Al Gonzales was just talking about how thousands of blogs in America were being used by Al Qaeda.
This is a dangerous thing that this Jafar is doing. It is being done to discredit TP.
-GSD
August 20th, 2006 at 4:23 pmThe first step to understanding the Neocons is to realize that they are megalomaniacs. These fools believe that some grand destiny waits in store for them. It is their destiny to remake the world in their fantasy image, and they cannot allow anything to get in their way. In their minds, all failures are merely tactical. The grand strategy remains intact, and nothing can shake their faith in it. So despite the spectacular failure of Iraq, they urge our country forward with the mission, pushing for the U.S. to attack Iran, and then Syria, and then who knows who. It really is WW III in their deluded minds, and they are trying with all their might to make this prophecy come true for the rest of us. So they will urge the attack on Iran, whether we have the troops or not. Once we are in Iran, we will become so enmeshed that “cut and run” will become impossible. Ultimately the American people will acquiesce to reinstating the draft, because it really will be WW III. And then they will “get the job done.” Or so these freaks imagine.
These guys truly remind me of Adolf Hitler.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#126
GSD, this is why I sent email to TP asking that they put a stop to whoever has been using other people’s nickname in this thread and ban them. I suspect that Jafar is this same person.
By the way, you can add “mendacious” to your list of adjectives describing the Bush administration.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:28 pmComparing and associating Democrats with islamists is backfiring on Republicans. It’s funny.
How’s this for a campaign/general purpose ad:
Hi. My name is John Doe. I think Bush should stop the Total Information Awareness program because both parties outlawed it in 2004. To replace it we should implement and fund real security measures here at home, not in Iraq.
It should run during American Idol.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:33 pmCNN
August 20, 2006
http://www.cnn.com/ 2006/ WORLD/ meast/ 08/ 20/ iraq.main/ index.html
20 killed, 300 wounded in Baghdad massacre
Gunmen attacked pilgrims at a Shiite religious gathering in Baghdad today, killing 20 and wounding more than 300 others, police and Iraqi health ministry officials said. Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims had crowded into six city neighborhoods when gunmen at street level and snipers in surrounding buildings opened fire, witnesses said.
Nope, no civil war in Iraq. It’s just sectarian violence.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:36 pmI am afraid to sign off for fear the http-error spam filter will return.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:36 pmBut I have to leave for a little while.
Spudge - their game is semantics - just words. It sort of fits with their overly simplistic slogans and the like — they just re-phrase, use new jargon, and with a snap of their fingers! it’s not civil war, it’s sectarian violence. I think there is a military rule about participation in civil wars and that may be their reluctance to be honest about what is going on in Iraq.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmThis is a dangerous thing that this Jafar is doing. It is being done to discredit TP.
-GSD
Comment by GSD
I wouldnt worry about it too much… there have been plenty of people on here calling for the punishment of Saudi Arabia for 911 and the taking away of Pakistans Muslim nuclear bomb.
The Rush Limbaugh types get themselves to believe its opposite day all the time and just because someone is against christofacism they pretend like that equals being pro-al qeada… its not hard to show the incompetence of someone that has only two possible answers to any one question. You are with us or against us!
Oooooorr we are against all dumb shits whether they be American or Saudi or whatever.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWhy do Neo-Conservatives hate America and our constitution?
August 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmHello j,
(I wanted to get that in before you disappear again.)
Passionately stated, as usual.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmNot even the meatiest of Neocon meatheads can accuse liberals of hating their own country. The left know how valuable their freedoms are and they know they’re rooted in democratic freedom.
When the Republicans accuse others of “hating America” it’s a pretty good sign their days of leadership are coming to an end.
August 20th, 2006 at 4:54 pmAnswer me this. If Bush had ultimate power to transform the middle east what would he do? What would be the desired results? When would it be finished? What would it look like?
August 20th, 2006 at 4:59 pmFor example, if he had unlimited troops what would he do first?
You need lithium.
Comment by Russ Feingold Sucks
That’s rich — coming from you.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pmBetter yet, Russ Feingold Sucks, what would you do?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pmrecall that john negroponte used the same technique in vietnam and guatamala… the bush crime family did not make him head of intelligence because they liked his haircut, spudge…
Hi, James. John negroponte was the proconsul in Guatemala. He did a hell of job sending a lot of people to torture camps. Say Zoo, hi for me.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmRuss Feingold Sucks,
Once again you’re barking up the wrong tree by bashing yet another DLC Democrat. Answer the question or go away.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:04 pmFor example, if he had unlimited troops what would he do first?
Comment by The DLC are Frauds
No one in BushCo could give you that answer.
When we train our kids to do anything, we show them what it looks like when it’s finished.
GWB never got that far.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:05 pmHi, zoo.
Passionately stated, as usual.
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
Ok, I thougth you werent here. Keep the discussion up, wonder girl. Talk to you later.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:05 pmWTF - where do these devils keep coming from? First, it’s Saddam, then it’s Maquawi, and now it’s Sader. It never f**king stops. I can see we will be fighting terror long after I place my shoes under the bed permently. We should be fighting against this war on terra. Bush&Co have destroyed the clean air act and the clean water act. Our next major WW will be over clean water to drink so turn off those fountains in Las Vegas and stop watering your lawns in Phoenix.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:06 pmHi, Juan. Bye, Juan. :)
August 20th, 2006 at 5:06 pmThink this through. More troops on the ground. About a month ago 50,000 to 70,000 troops were put on the ground in Baghdad. The result? More violence than ever before, in Baghdad.
-How many deaths will it take ’till they know that too many people have died? - Dylan
August 20th, 2006 at 5:06 pmperhaps he didn’t like my love letter???
Comment by no not no no
I don’t know why not, I always do…he’s just not man enough to understand.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pmLiberals should be tortured for their seeming support of Hezbollah.
Comment by Russ Feingold Sucks — August 20, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
Whatever. Your from the 33%. You are no one. Hezbollah is a terrorist party just as conservatives are. Shut your pipe hole.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmBye, Juan. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Later, Champ. :)
August 20th, 2006 at 5:09 pmSam - provide a convincing argument for why we should vote Republican? Include how we benefit from a Republican controlled government. Maybe then, you will have something of real value to add to the discussions. Otherwise, go back to traitor Rove and tell him that his talking points are working anymore.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:09 pm#157 - meant to type Zarqawi
August 20th, 2006 at 5:10 pmStill waiting on that answer. What would Bush do with unlimited troops?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pmdixie,
All the trolling around here lately tell me one thing — the right is worried, and they are right to be worried. :)
August 20th, 2006 at 5:14 pm#173 - That’s not James.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:15 pm#169 Oh, I am sure that is just another name regurgitated up by the same troll that has been afflicting itself upon us for the last couple of days. TP needs to get some better bouncers.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:15 pmOk trolls - what is so great about a Republican controlled government? And don’t try to call your selves conservatives because you are NOT. You are nazis because the venom that spills out of your minds is the same venom that spilled out the nazis. Go polish your boots. You need to make sure that you look good for your fuhrer.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:17 pmRed Wolf…he would also allow abortions and civil unions!!! I think you should check up on old Rudy before you give your knee-jerk support to him. You might want to back a different chicken-hawk.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:17 pmJimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did.
Comment by Russ Feingold Sucks
RFS: I got nothin’ — Waaaaah!
Dismissed.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pmYes, as soon as one troll disappears, another appears. First Sam, then Jafar, then Red Wolf, and now Sucks.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:19 pmThe only weapons you guys would have would be Jihadi suicide bombers!
Comment by Red Wolf
I don’t know, Red Wolf, you sound like a bedwetter to me. Anyone else?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:20 pm, by bloood if needs be
why are republicans always so violent?
really though, the bloods and crips would eat you for a snack.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:20 pmWow - Red Wolf wants more war? Hope he is first to volunteer and if he’s lucky, he can return in a coffin draped in a flag. Now that would be justice.
We need to start re-deploying the troops. More troops on the ground will only create more coffins draped in flags returning to Dover DE.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmFirst Sam, then Jafar, then Red Wolf,
just call them ’sybil’ - it’s very fitting
August 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmRed Wolf, if you yourself are not a chickenhawk, why do you support chickenhawks that throw our soldiers lives away for no gain and when they come back screwed up absolutely forget about them?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:23 pmThe solution to terrorism is negotiation. Terrorists want something, sometimes that thing is unreasonable and sometimes it’s not. We don’t know because BushCo won’t talk to anyone. We have a whole State dept sitting around doing nothing except making dinner reservations for privilaged frat boys like Bush, Cheney, Rummy. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, etc have stopped attacking Israel because we made it economically advantageous for them to stop. That doesn’t mean they love Israel but they aren’t participating in militarily killing Israelis anymore. It works, but you have to “diplomatically talk to BOTH sides” to work out a solution.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:24 pmI’m afraid
yes you are, your fear makes you your enemy - and americas too
August 20th, 2006 at 5:24 pmI think this site is becoming a troll paradise! Can TP control the posters (like DKOs who has a week’s policy of not posting for obvious reasons) OTOH can anyone link me to wingnut sites so I can have fun with them???
August 20th, 2006 at 5:24 pmjust call them ’sybil’ - it’s very fitting
Comment by nym@alias.net
We already have a Sybil, and he’s way smarter than those trolls.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pmwould shut these treacherous Leftists sites, Lock up the media
same old fascist, different day..
August 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmFace it Red Wolf, Rudy is a leftist in wolves clothing. He is the ultimate trojan candidate. I think I will jump on the bandwagon with you. Nominate Rudy, righties.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmREd Wolf you may be on to something here… it was that South that picked Nazi Bush instead of Patriot Gore.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pm#176 thanks, zooey for pointing that out… imitation here is not quite the sincerest form of flattery, is it?
No j, it’s not. Thanks for posting that link, and have a great evening.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmWell, that is very kind of you Red Wolf. I want all your neo-nazi organizations crushed. I guess I won’t get my wish, either.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmI’m just sure Bin Laden is going to sit with Bush at the table
actually the bushies and ladens are old family friends..
August 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmOk, the bastard that was posting under jafar is now posting under no not no no. Welcome back you pathetic little worm.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmRuss Feingold Sucks,
Try not to be frightened.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:31 pmFascism is a reaction
now go be a real fascist and read some Mussolini
August 20th, 2006 at 5:31 pmRed Wolf,
You, too. Try not to be frightened.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:31 pmWow, fascism is a reaction to the left? Thanks for that brilliant insight. It couldn’t have anything to do with greed. Nope, not at all.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:32 pmHey Russ Stupid boy, Bush and Bin Ladens have actually sat across the table - I gues that makes Bush a terrorist too.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:33 pmYour ancestors were incredible failures Red Wolf. Congratulations.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:33 pmThe trolls are here in full force so it must be dinner time on the east coast.
Keep up the good work, bones, zooey, jpark, nym, dixie and all the rest. You folks rock n roll :) Looks like you have things under control. Just once, I would love to see a posting from a troll that actually said something of real value. They are easy to bait and predictable. Just lure them into your trapdoor and then, slam them. Have fun.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:34 pmMore fear mongering from a hate filled liberal
only republicans hate, remember liberals want peace.
com’on now sing with me, smile on your brother
August 20th, 2006 at 5:35 pmMcCain is a dangerously deluded imbecile that should not be in a position of power or influence. Given the general idiocy of the US these days, McCain is a shoe-in for 2008.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:35 pm.
no not no no, extremists are extremists. Both ends of the spectrum are fricking nuts.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:35 pm212 - Red Wolf - thank you for giving us such great power over you. Who of ‘thunk it’, that a bunch of peace loving hippies could create a bunch of crazy NAZIS.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:36 pm#232 Those darn hippies are scary!! Everything is scary to a righty, it seems.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:37 pmHe just wants to throw more good bodies on a bad idea. Way to think there McCain. Thought out like a real neo-con. You finally made it.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pmNazis are Socialists not Fascists.
Comment by Red Wolf
Where did you go to school? Stupidistan?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:40 pmthink he is going to wire tap them
why does bush crap on the constitution?
why do republicans hate the bill of rights?
and why are republicans so scared?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:40 pmRed Wolf - hate to be the one to tell you this BUT, the Hitler and his Nazi party were FASCISTS and so was Mussolini. And we all know the fate of the Roman Empire. WTF are you drinking or smoking or are you on Meth?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:40 pmthe alliance of Iran, Hezzbollah and Al-Qaeda will triumph
look what republican policy has created.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:41 pmRemember how nice Hitler was to the unions? They were liquidate along with the rest of the targeted groups.
History is lost on the far-right Bush/Coulter Republican idalogues.
-GSD
August 20th, 2006 at 5:42 pmYour a anti-Latin bigot. You North Europeans got your civilization from ours. What did us in was infighting and the rise of your Islamic buddies!
Comment by no not no no
Post over your own name, Red Wolf! You slimy coward!
August 20th, 2006 at 5:44 pmZooey - would “Stupidistan” be anywhere near “Dumf**kistan”?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:47 pmThose ‘Meet the Press’ backdrops are Andy Warhol-esque.
In a hundred years we’ll all be dead, so none of this stuff really matters that much.
John McCain is clearly addled in the head, hands down.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:48 pmWow, Red Wolf, because the Nazi had the word Socialist in it that means they were Socialist? You are not worth talking to. Read something.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:51 pmZooey - would “Stupidistan†be anywhere near “Dumf**kistan�
Comment by Coffins draped with flags
Same neighborhood, Coffins, I was just being generous with the kid from the short bus. I know, silly me…
August 20th, 2006 at 5:52 pmRed Wolf,
You better be careful what you ask for.
You better look at your redstate/bluestate maps to figure out who has the strategic advantages.
-GSD
August 20th, 2006 at 5:52 pmThe Roman Empire imploded. Now go look up that word in the dictionary. Google “The fall of the Roman Empire” if you need further proof. Oh, and don’t forget to read what is posted on the links.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:53 pmName calling is a trait of the liberal left. They can’t engage in honest debate.
Comment by Peter
Yeah, yeah, St Peter. Cowardice is commenting over someone else’s name. Keep on projecting…
August 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pmJesus H! What is this, “Trolls on Parade” Day?
It really burns my butt that TP allows all this crap from the trolls, yet admonishes people who end up saying “Hi” to one another after a thread has been abandoned.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pmThere should be someone monitoring this site every day. It would have saved us all a lot of frustration, and not allowed the posting under other’s names.
And how many times do you guys need to receive a request for a stinking open thread before you do it? (I guess when you start paying attention to the Lieberman debacle! )
Other than that,…
How ’bout that dope McCain? Bush absolutely trashes him in the 2000 race, and a few years later he’s saying,”Thank-you, Sir, may I have another?”
Peter = Sam = Jerry
SSSD
August 20th, 2006 at 5:56 pmMust be a slow news day… isn’t it fun baiting the trolls and reading their stupid remarks? They are too easy and too predictable.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pmHow ’bout that dope McCain? Bush absolutely trashes him in the 2000 race, and a few years later he’s saying,â€Thank-you, Sir, may I have another?â€
Comment by trueblue
Hi trueblue, aren’t you glad you came here today?
August 20th, 2006 at 5:58 pmName calling is a trait of the liberal left. They can’t engage in honest debate.
Comment by Peter — August 20, 2006
Repeat that vapid platitude to George Felix “Frenchie” Allen Jr. and his silly and racist “Macaca” slur on an American.
-GSD
August 20th, 2006 at 5:58 pmName calling is a trait of the liberal left. They can’t engage in honest debate.
Comment by Peter
August 20th, 2006 at 5:59 pm—————-
So you’re calling us name callers.That’s name calling.
Actually the troll list has been updated. It now features:
Zooey
Dixie Blood
Bones
More to be added later.
Comment by Peter
That’s just adorable!
August 20th, 2006 at 6:00 pmPeter just added you to the troll list, Zooey!!!!!!
At first I was thinking, “Don’t you be messin’ with the real posters!” but then I thought about who printed it, and I guess I just felt bad for the poor slob.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:01 pmI can see that Red Wolf didn’t read the Fall of the Roman Empire.
Hi - trueblue. We were just playing with the trolls, kind of like how a cat plays with a mouse.
Yeah, McCain is a big disappointment. I find it strange that someone would kiss up to Bush after Bush trashed his family. It’s one thing to have somone trash them, but trashing their family is low even by fascists standards.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:01 pmThe last I checked, George W. Bush had a net approval rating in four states. Four landlocked states. Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and I think Kansas.
That is one heckuva strategic disadvantage.
-GSD
August 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pmLiberals are drug addicts
Rush is liberal? when did that happen?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pmActually the troll list has been updated. It now features:
Zooey
Dixie Blood
Bones
More to be added later.
Comment by Peter
August 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pm————–
A troll-troll is a non-troll.
Red Wolf is ignorant and Peter is stupid. It has Socialist in the name so they’re socialists….LMAO!
August 20th, 2006 at 6:03 pmPeter just added you to the troll list, Zooey!!!!!!
Comment by trueblue
If you try real hard, you might make the list, too. Good luck!
Maybe Peter will email Judd and tell on us. Then we’d be in trouble!
August 20th, 2006 at 6:03 pmHey, GSD,
August 20th, 2006 at 6:03 pmYou forgot the guy who is always accusing Liberals of name calling, but is the King of it - Bill O’Reilly!
He even accussed John Dean of name - calling in his book!
#278 - hey, where’s my name?
Red Wolf, you may want to check with the person that supplies your meth… it’s beginning to rot you brain… like an egg frying in a pan.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:04 pmThis is the same Jerry, Sam guy with different names. And the stupidity is exactly the same. You know if you’re going to be a troll, at least you could try to be interesting, God how boring.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:05 pm“Macaca†slur on an American.
Calling somebody a shithead is not racist.
Comment by Peter
Wow, you bought that lame excuse hook, line and sinker, didn’t you? Gul-li-bull
August 20th, 2006 at 6:06 pmSo it’s settled. Bush won’t address a hypothetical where he has unlimited power and resources.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pmFascism is the Natural Order
no, Fascism is a man created order. Anarchy is a natural order.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pmWe were just playing with the trolls, kind of like how a cat plays with a mouse.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags
You guys have a better stomach for them, I guess.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pmI’m over here throwing up a hair-ball!
Stupid, fat, and boring is no way for you to go thru life kid. Come back after you get an education, drop 200 lbs, and get a personality.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pmDixie blood - you are truly brilliant! I’m sure you understand that the trolls won’t comprehend your definition of Nazi/facsist.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pmand his silly and racist “Macaca†slur on an American.
Calling somebody a shithead is not racist.
Comment by Peter
————
Do tell.
What does calling a person– that one has never before laid eyes upon, a shithead, make one?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:08 pmSteve53 = nym@alias.net
sorry, sybil, been around much longer than that.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:08 pmThe last I checked, George W. Bush had a net approval rating in four states. Four landlocked states. Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and I think Kansas.
That is one heckuva strategic disadvantage.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 20, 2006 @ 6:02
Only four states? That’s what isolation and inbreeding will get ya.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:09 pmIf you try real hard, you might make the list, too. Good luck!
August 20th, 2006 at 6:11 pmComment by Zooey
…ooooohhhhh, I just hope I don’t get picked last. :)
Macaca (also written as macaque) is a dismissive epithet used by Francophone colonials in Africa for native populations of North and Subsaharan Africans.[1] It is derived from the name of the genus comprised of the macaque primates.
So I guess the only s&%$head here is wolf/sam/jerry/peter
August 20th, 2006 at 6:12 pmand remember folks, america was attacked on republican watch.
republicans failed america then, they fail america now. why else do we need more troops in iraq.
have you ever wondered why it took less time to get hitler than bin Laden?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:13 pmThat’s what isolation and inbreeding will get ya.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags
Hey! Watch it, Coffins! We in Idaho only love GWB second best to Utah. And no matter what trueblue says, I never picked up anyone at a family reunion.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:13 pmHoward Dean has a net approval in zero states. Neither does Harry Reid nor Nancy Pelosi.
Comment by Peter
Ouch! Grammar, Peter, grammar. You’re making my hair stand on end.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:14 pmZooey - touche :)
August 20th, 2006 at 6:15 pmSteve53 = nym@alias.net
It is the same troll. Ignore him.
Comment by Peter
————-
Sorry.Wrong.
Bizzaro troll confused.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:15 pmRed Wolf - where are you? Calling your meth dealer to see if he spiked your last purchase?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pmRed Wolf - where are you
if sybil is hit hard enough, you can watch the persona change in real time.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:17 pmwhy did republicans let america get attacked?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:18 pmMcCain should be appreciative that he didn’t come home in a coffin draped with a flag like over 56,000 other American did, arriving at Dover Air Force Base in Dover, DE. I can remember those days… all those coffins and the war was on TV and you saw people dying and the coffins coming home… Someone on an earliler comment stated that McCain is beginning to show the results of Agent Orange. I agree. In 30 or less years, we will begin to see the results of depleted uranium on the very troops that served in Iraq, the ones that didn’t come home in coffins draped with flags.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:20 pm…you just love to throw me under the bus, dontcha, Zooey?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:20 pm(psst, it was her first cousin…. I saw ‘em!)
yes, press the ignore button.
truth speaks for itself peter.
why did republicans let america get attacked?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:21 pmOh now Peter is channeling Allen, and knows what he was thinking, which wasn’t what the word means but something just as bad, so it’s ok, see the reasoning? …Really LMAO.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:22 pm…you just love to throw me under the bus, dontcha, Zooey?
(psst, it was her first cousin…. I saw ‘em!)
Comment by trueblue
Just checking to see if you’re paying attention! Besides, my only male first cousin is a prison guard, and he had handcuffs…and an authoriative manner…and I’d had a beer…
August 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmSeptember 11, the day the republicans let america get attacked
August 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmHow do these guys breathe without a brainstem?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmPeter, you dumbf**k graduate of Stupidistan High, it is the US that is using depleted uranium in our bombs. You must have shit for brains or you too are doing too much meth. With all the NSA spying going on, traitor Rove knows where all the meth heads are and then directs them to his perceived enemies blogs.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmSteve53 = nym @ alies.net = Zooey
Put him on ignore.
Comment by Peter
August 20th, 2006 at 6:25 pm———–
If so(not),we are one.You are zero.
#199 Outernet; Try free republic but you will get only one shot, because they WILL delete you immediately and BAN you from posting again. I did it yesterday. Great believers in “fair and balanced” and freedom of speech aren’t they?
August 20th, 2006 at 6:26 pm#330 - because they are zombies….
Hey trueblue and zooey, is there something I should know about? Something that you are hiding from me? :)
August 20th, 2006 at 6:26 pm