McCain Falsely Claims Most American Oppose Timetable For Iraq Withdrawal
McCain Falsely Claims Most American Oppose Timetable For Iraq Withdrawal
Today on Meet the Press, Sen. John McCain claimed, “Most Americans — when they are asked ‘do you want to set a date for withdraw?’ — they say no.” Watch it:
McCain is wrong. Most American support a timetable for withdrawal. Here’s the latest CNN Poll:
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 2-3, 2006. N=1,047 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
“Which comes closer to your view about U.S. troops in Iraq? The U.S. should set a timetable for withdrawal by announcing that it will remove all of its troops from Iraq by a certain date. The U.S. should keep troops in Iraq as long as necessary without setting any timetable for withdrawal.”
Timetable % No Timetable % Unsure % 8/2-3/06 57 40 4 6/14-15/06 53 41 6
For a detailed plan on how to execute a phased withdrawal, check out Strategic Redeployment 2.0.
Transcript:
GREGORY: Let me show you something you said about public support for the war back last year in November. Put it on our screen. “If we can’t retain the support of the American people, we will have lost this war as soundly as if our forces were defeated on the battlefield.” As you well know, 60% is against the war. They say the war in Iraq has not been worth it. Has this government lost the people?
MCAIN: I don’t think so. Most Americans — when they are asked “do you want to set a date for withdraw?” — they say no. I’ve expressed my frustrations to you this morning. But they are not ready to face the consequences of failure by setting a date certain for withdraw. And I believe that they largely, although frustrated, recognize the consequences of failure.
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The Maverick is gone for good McCain is sucking up to Bush. Today he showed that if by mistake he becomes President the Bush policy will continue. We will lose more young troops and as McCain points out who cares. He says one thing but does another. Who in their right mine disagrees with Bush but supports his actions. McCain lost Americans when he sold out to Bush during the election and his famous hug on the plane sealed it. Like the famous kiss the hug was the answer. McCain is only supporting the President to try to get his base in hopes of winning.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:13 pmJohn McCain; reichwing sycophant. That’s all we need to know.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:15 pmMcCain is the Liebermann of the right
I think Liebermann and McCain both are worse than any right winger or liberal nut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqidpA6SHcI
August 20th, 2006 at 12:16 pmTypical Republican, when the numbers aren’t in your favor..make some new numbers up!
August 20th, 2006 at 12:17 pmMore lies from John McCain who was once hailed as a straight talker. The “Straight Talk Express” must have crashed into a Bush.
Pathetic.
-GSD
August 20th, 2006 at 12:23 pmThis SOB has lost it. He is sold.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:24 pmJohn McCain has been smelling too much napalm in the morning… again.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:24 pmIt took 30 years or so but Agent Orange has finally eaten whatever is left of MCCain’s brain cells.
Whenever a politician claims that he knows what the majority of the american people want you can bet that he doesn’t know what he is talking about!
August 20th, 2006 at 12:44 pmlooks like the straight talk express has either found an exit ramp off the express way or is stuck in traffic
August 20th, 2006 at 12:47 pmlooks like the straight talk express has either found an exit ramp off the express way or is stuck in traffic
August 20th, 2006 at 12:47 pmand so why doesn’t the interviewer respond to the interviewee with the results of the latest poll on the issue? Doesn’t this show have a research department? Don’t they research their questions before they are asked???????? unfrigginbelievable.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:48 pmDid Russert do is job and actually challenge McCain’s lie??? Hmm, I’m guessing NO. Russert has become a hack.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pmTHEY ARE CONCERNED ONLY WITH THE MESSAGE.
TRUTH BE DAMNED.
it’s how they are…
August 20th, 2006 at 12:54 pmExcuse me, it wasn’t Russert, but a poor job by an interviewer nonetheless.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:54 pmAtrios has more poll results debunking McCain on this in addition to the CNN poll.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:58 pmHe cites polls from CBS, USA Today Gallup and Fox News Poll showing majorities of Americans favoring a pull out of troops.. Check it out: http://atrios.blogspot.com/
This par for the course with republicans, they are deep into the Orwellian thing. They think it keeps the opposition off balance, answering one challange then they change the target. Limbaugh does this a lot, lie, get caught then change the message and call the opposition “kooks” for “missing the point”. For example, when challanged on the horrendous mess that is Iraq, Limbaugh went off with “The problem is Iran folks, the problem is Iran”.
August 20th, 2006 at 12:59 pmOn McCaine, I use to respect his views although I would not have voted for him. I appreciated his service for our country. All past tense…..It has become painfuly clear for many years that he is more concerned in trying to be pres. than what’s good for our country.
Another obzervation his cheeks look like a squirrels of late….Storing to many nut’s perhaps. …..Blessings..Peace
August 20th, 2006 at 1:00 pmPlease forgive the misspells…..Blessings
August 20th, 2006 at 1:02 pmThat was David Gregory interviewing, who isn’t as focused when he’s on MTP as he is in the press room.
As for McCain, I can’t imaging what poll he is citing unless it’s rightwing propaganda.
If McCain thinks talk like this morning will assure him the nomination, he is sadly mistaken – the people are getting the message – and his backing GWB is going to prove politically fatal.
OMG- I can hardly believe I am able to post after more than a week of receiving http error (spam) notices!
August 20th, 2006 at 1:02 pmSharon, At one time I had respect for McCain, but not any more.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:04 pmDitto for Colin Powell.
When they sold their souls for GW, they were lost.
#11 – Absolutely, Beth. My first thought is — And [the interviewer's] next question was…..
I’m usually disappointed these days. I’m not the one who went to journalism school, they are! What a waste of time…
August 20th, 2006 at 1:07 pmYou’re right Sharon & Marie (welcome back!),
I used to have a lot of respect for John McCain, but no more. Seeing him snuggle up to BushCo after they literally tried to destroy him and his family in the 2000 presidential race, makes me want to puke.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:10 pmI really enjoy McCain putting his foot down his throat. Just exposes what a complete shill he is. We should save this tape with the footnotes of the polls for the upcoming 08 race.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:11 pmi saw this interview in its entirety and it was pathetic. There were no followup up questions. Just questions, one after another, to allow McLame to get his talking point out…
August 20th, 2006 at 1:12 pmCNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 2-3, 2006. N=1,047 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
August 20th, 2006 at 1:15 pm8/2-3/06
“Which comes closer to your view about U.S. troops in Iraq? The U.S. should set a timetable for withdrawal by announcing that it will remove all of its troops from Iraq by a certain date. The U.S. should keep troops in Iraq as long as necessary without setting any timetable for withdrawal.” Options rotated. Half sample, MoE ± 4.5
Timetable /No Timetable /Unsure
57 /40 / 4
Hey! He’s only off by 17%!
August 20th, 2006 at 1:16 pmMCAIN: I don’t think so. Most Americans — when they are asked “do you want to set a date for withdraw?†— they say no.
1)If he talked to me and asked m *that very question*, I probably would have said “no” also. My feeling is “let’s get them home and the sooner the better”, but setting the exact date is for the govt, not for me.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:19 pm2) Depends on who he’s talking to. If he selects/screens his audiences as carefully as Bush does, then he may very well be hearing just that. If you talk in an echo-chamber…
Zooey,
August 20th, 2006 at 1:19 pmWhen I learned of all the dirt thrown on MCCain by GW and company, only to see him embrace Bush later, it was sickening.
Thanks.
“Trickle down politics”, they piss down his back, and he pisses down ours… The giant chimp bladder at the top never runs dry.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:21 pmWhat poll was he sighting? The Neocon poll? Mr mccain is not doing himself any favors by lying about this.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:29 pmEither he is lying on purpose or he is detached from relity. Neither of those scenarios say much about Johnny. I used to like him but he has shown to be like every other politician out there.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:30 pmHis comment is true, in his mind, because he thinks only Republicans are Americans.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:31 pmYahoo! Marie, good to see you back. It appears we have had a problem with the site..Maybe we are being watched…LOL…..Good, let the rat basterds on the reich come after me……After I’m done with them they can lock me up with 3 squares a day…..It would be a nice vacation…LOL. again…..
Good Morning Zooey….Hope all is well as can be expected in our bush bazarro world….I have a thought on the time line withdrawel…..Don’t report it to the world, just meet with the head guy’s in Iraq….Tell them to get their shit together and we are pulling out now…..Make it clear we are leaving…..Then immediately fly in all the transport planes and pull everyone and everything out.Period……That should have been done 2 years and 11 month’s ago…Blessings
August 20th, 2006 at 1:38 pmSo let’s review what we’ve learned today children, Iraq is in the middle of a civil war (Hegel), the majority of Americans do want a timetable for withdrawal (despite McCain’s flashbacks to Vietnam), Bush is trying to nuke Iran before the November 11 elections, and we’re caught in the middle.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:41 pmSharon, the only legitimate military objective in Iraq was to topple Saddam. After that had been accomplished the military should have been withdrawn.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:43 pmIn Bush World and now McCain World reality is what they say it is, and don’t you forget it. Anything else would be un’merican. The kool aid flow unabated from these deluded loons.
This lying sack of shit may be the Repblican front runner for 2008 but he will be forever tainted with Bush and will get his ass whipped by the Dem who hopefully will be Wes Clark
August 20th, 2006 at 1:45 pmPossible explanations:
1. Sen. John McCain claimed, “Most Americans — when they are asked ‘do you want to set a date for withdraw?’ — they say no [they want our troops out NOW!!!!â€
2. Sen. John McCain claimed, “Most Americans — when they are asked ‘do you want to set a date for withdraw?’ — they say no.†[he had his fingers crossed, so what he said doesn't count.]
3. Sen. John McCain claimed, “Most Americans — when they are asked ‘do you want to set a date for withdraw?’ — they say no. [I did the poll myself, and asked the CEO's of all of our military suppliers.â€
4. Sen. John McCain claimed, “Most Americans — when they are asked ‘do you want to set a date for withdraw?’ — they say no.†[The actual poll question was, would you want to prematurely withdraw when out with your date?]
5. Sen. John McCain claimed, “Most Americans — when they are asked ‘do you want to set a date for withdraw?’ — they say no. [Look, I'm running to be the next War-Time President. There's no way I'm going to allienate the 30% of the idiots, I mean voters who support the endless killing of Iraqi civilians at the cost of only a couple of American soldiers a day, who, by the way, volunteered for military service knowing full well the civilians in charge were goint to attack a sovereign country and get blown up or shot just so some incredibly rich people in America can get even richer. We will pull out of Iraq when we have finished extracting every drop of oil from beneath its blood-soaked sands.]â€
August 20th, 2006 at 1:55 pm#38 – bones. However, the U.N. Charter forbids a war of aggression for the purpose of regime change. Last I checked, we were still a member of the U.N.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:00 pmIf Sen. McCain is as out of touch with America as it seems he is, the Repuplicans would be insane to nominate him for Pres. in 2008.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:09 pmBriseadh na Faire, oh, I totally agree we shouldn’t have gone in their in the first place. I’m just commenting on a well-known military axiom. The purpose of the military is to kill people and destroy things. You PLAN a campaign with an objective, which we were told was to topple Sadam. The servicemen and women did that beautifully, and after that they should have been withdrawn quickly, BECAUSE the job of killing people and destroying things was over. They should have been rapidly replaced with UN forces, police. When you keep a standing Army in someone else’s country this is exactly what happens. The Vietnamization of Iraq. But you’re right they never should have been there in the first place.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:12 pmListen everybody, can we get the guy’s name right? it’s not McCain it’s McLAME.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:14 pmAmericans don’t support a deadline in Iraq to cut and run. McCain is right, and the liberals like Lamont are wrong.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:23 pmOkay, now some troll named “Sam” has shown up. Is “Sam” today’s Jerry? So far, in just two posts with a total of three lines, Sam has managed to get in “cut and run”, “Bill Clinton”, and “Lamont”. Go Sam! You’re really slapping us around with your brilliant aphorisms.
Jerry. Sam. These are down-to-earth, folksy names, straight out of the heartland.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:32 pmSam,
Boo frickin’ hoo
August 20th, 2006 at 2:41 pm#41 – Briseadh na Faire,
I really like #4, but I’m going with #5 for the win.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:44 pmGood post’s, from the words right out of his mouth on Meet the Press this morning I heard lieing little Lieberman say, ” we needed a regime change in Iraq” and that’s why we went in. Interesting, well maybe not, now that he is showing he is a Republican baught and paid for. Will bet someone else will notice that casual little slip……We have supported regime changes and regime instilastions of all kind’s of nut cases for ever, it’s just most of middle america have not been aware of it…..When in hell are we going to start minding our own business and stop supporting waramong, drug induced, and mad maniac dictators here and over there…Time to come home and clean up our own back yard….
Ah yes….Sam….Sam and spam rhime…..Delete and pass over Sam’s and spam’s…..Blessings
August 20th, 2006 at 3:02 pmScientist – sam and Jerry do post exactly alike. I think sam is Jerry in a dress.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:05 pmOK so what McCain said was no timetable, withdrawal should be determined by “conditions on the ground”. Let’s see, major screwup, civil war…..OK pull them out.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:11 pm#36 And don’t forget we are actively trying to influence the Nicaraguan elections.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4128625.html
August 20th, 2006 at 3:15 pm#43 Walt; BECAUSE McCain is sooooo out of touch with reality is PRECISELY why they will nominate him. Hookah party!!!
August 20th, 2006 at 3:21 pmBaltar and Sam are highjackers, trolls. Add them to the list.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmOn his current course John McCain has no chance in hell of doing anything creative, innovattive or meaningful. He keeps tracking the GOP followship party; for this reason he will go no where.
If he wishes to make a mark he must break with the republican (followship party) and throw Bush and his administration to the wolves. He must call for impeachment if he is to considered to have any leadership qualities whatsoever.
It is odd indeed that he supports this administration that has run, and continues to run, this country into the ground. But the fact of the matter is that he is right there supporting these idiots.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:46 pmThe pukes just keep grasping at straws. Chasing failed policy after failed policy.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:54 pmCan’t they see just how blind they have become? The lies and distortions they have spun just compound their stupidity. This dork used to be an American hero, now a total failure. The troops certainly don’t need likes of mccain to do them any favors.
#58 swan:Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive.
August 20th, 2006 at 3:59 pmdixie,
I was wearing my “dixie” hat this morning. It looked nice…
August 20th, 2006 at 4:42 pm#37 – That was funny… such an un-law-abiding citizen, swearing at a trooper while getting a ticket and claiming that it was important for him to hear O’Lielly. That fool is a such an idiot… willing to pay a lawyer tons of money to get out of a , what was it $165.00 ticket? Oh yeah, brilliant!
August 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#60 dixie blood.- agree – as long as the flag draped coffin isn’t me.
August 20th, 2006 at 5:00 pmWOW – you can swear like a trooper. It’s music to my ears :)
Actually I can swear like a peacher in jail when given a chance.
Comment by dixie blood
I really admire that quality in people. :)
August 20th, 2006 at 5:36 pmDemocrats cling to the polls that offer them hope, until the day after elections, then they try to explain why the results of the elections didn’t correlate to their polls – just like with Busby in CA-50.
Speaking of polls, I saw that Lieberman was 12 points ahead of Lamont Sanford in CT – I am sensing Joementum ….
August 20th, 2006 at 6:15 pmI am sensing Joementum ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
No dear, that’s last night’s bean burrito.
August 20th, 2006 at 6:19 pmJust another soft-spoken fraud.Like T. Friedman.
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#71 God; Jason MH did not realize that the army now takes those with criminal records.
August 20th, 2006 at 7:20 pmThe only thing John McCain is missing is the “kiss”.
August 20th, 2006 at 7:33 pmOnce again we hear from our resident self-proclaimed expert in everything, Mr. Hendler, posting without links, as usual.
And once again, he fails to give an accurate picture by his selective posting. Here’s an article about Leiberman and the polls:
Read the rest of it. It’s fascinating! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/19/AR2006081900642.html
August 20th, 2006 at 8:18 pmThis is just too good to leave out:
Lieberman, the “Independent” candidate. Since when has any Republican ever endorsed any Independent candidate?
If it looks like a skunk, walks like a skunk and smells like a skunk…
August 20th, 2006 at 8:22 pmIt’s clear… this guy is just another TOOL.
Oh dear God, let him NOT become the next president!!!! Please!
August 20th, 2006 at 8:28 pm#79
August 20th, 2006 at 9:14 pmGreat find!
#80
August 20th, 2006 at 9:25 pmThere was more in that article and it had to do with the green party in PA.
I am all for the Green party platform, BUT when races are as tight as they are – and as crucial – I resent their presence taking votes away from a candidate who can win.
Egos get in the way and the candidates allow themselves to be purchased and used by the Repugs.
When the Dems get in power, then the green party should demand greater representation and I will support them, but right now, I have to view them as I view Ralph Nader – I like what he says, but accept that a win is impossible, so don’t screw it up letting the repugs retain control.
#79, dix,
For a better understanding of my commentary on Africa, please view this map:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/africa_islam_87.jpg
It is almost 20 years old, so you can well imagine how far Islam has since spread into Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan and Chad, where the bloodiest Islamic insurgencies are currently occurring. Further, having spoken with people from Kenya, who can attest to the influx of Chinese and Indian immigrants into eastern sub-Saharan Africa, coupled with the high AIDS infection rates among the indiginous African population, I predict that Africa will eventually be mostly Arab, Chinese and Indian by the end of this century. It is not racist to extrapolate current trends.
#80 & #81, Bris,
Break down the numbers any way you want, but in the general election, Joe Lieberman will beat Lamont Sanford by 10 or more points, since registered Democrats never turn out for elections. Progressive movements only defeat Democrats in primaries, not candidates in general elections.
August 20th, 2006 at 10:35 pm#85: Progressive movements only defeat Democrats in primaries, not candidates in general elections.
Thank you for this helpful advice. I’ll quit, now that you’ve convinced me my efforts have been wasted. Better to just passively let right-wing Republicans roll through another round of elections uncontested.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:27 am#85 – Jas, enough with the predictions. Your track record on this site at predicting things you cannot control is abysmal. My Runes are more accurate than you. And the Runes say that Leiberman is a destructive force, albeit very powerful. Ultimately, however, he has lost the connection between the Earth and his soul. He is headed for much turmoil and confusion. He has been misled.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:42 amThere’s nothing suspicious here. He’s just senile.
John McCain will be 70 in 9 days. By 1/20/09 McCain will be more than 2 years older than Ronald Reagan was when he became President. He would be almost as old as Bob Dole would have been.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:42 amI heard Justice Goldstone, of the South African Constitutional Court, speak in Salzburg back in 2003. Things are not so bleak for the black people of Africa as our resident “expert” mr. hendliar would have us believe.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:50 amIt is almost 20 years old, so you can well imagine how far Islam has since spread into Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan and Chad, where the bloodiest Islamic insurgencies are currently occurring.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 20, 2006 @ 10:35 pm
You talk about Islam as if it were brand new to those those African countries, or Muslims a tiny minority on the rise. Islam is not a brand new religion in Sub-Saharan Africa.
In all four countries you mention, Islam was introduced around the 7th-8th centuries. Muslim represent about 33% of the population in Ethiopia, 100% in Somalia, 50% in Chad, and 65% in Sudan.
Wikipedia: Islam in Africa
So many insurgent movements in those countries are Islamic simply because so many people are Muslim.
Your comment “you can how far Islam has since spread into Somalia” is absolutely silly. Somalia is not in danger of being drawn into Islam. It already is a Muslim nation.
I predict that Africa will eventually be mostly Arab, Chinese and Indian by the end of this century. It is not racist to extrapolate current trends.
I have to love the way you gain knowledge and make the most outlandish of “predictions” based on anecdotal evidence.
From memory, I knew that the largest Indian community in Africa is found in South Africa. I looked it up and the Indian & Chinese communities represent about 3% of the total population. In Kenya, non-Africans represent about 1% of the population and the same is true in Tanzania. The rest of the countries in East Africa have about the same or lower percentages of non-Africans as those two.
Now, imagine the staggering mortality rate among their native population those countries would need to endure for your prediction to come true. The non-African population would also need to have a huge birth rate, or newcomers would need to move to the African continent in amazing numbers. On top of all this, you have to assume non-African populations and immigrants never, ever contract AIDS.
Such an amazing demographic replacement, although possible, is not very likely.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:09 am#92, Dix,
Black Africans are the majority of the 25 million with AIDS in Africa, which is expected to rise to 100 million by the end of the century. Arabs are pressing in from the north, and Indians and Chinese from the East – all three are far more industrious and equally prolific in birthrate. Africa is the untamed, undeveloped expanse as North America was before America’s Manifest Destiny.
#91, Gregor,
Chinese and Indian populations don’t need exlosive birthrates, just large immigration movements to Africa. Given that both countries have current populations over 1 billion, there ability to emmigrate en masse alone is staggering.
To all – you only need look where the genocide is occurring in Africa to understand the means by which muslims in Africa are willing to seize control of territory. You may choose to ignore it, since it is not in your backyard, but I find it striking that the mainstream media still pays little or no attention to these conflicts and their root causes. I believe it is because it portrays muslims in the appropriate bad light, which runs against the mainstream media’s current template of making the US’s war against muslim terrorists look bad.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:46 am#87, Limp,
I have no desire to talk you out of your activism. It has actually defeated the Clinton, Emanuel, Schumer wing of the Democratic Party, so that now we have an honest debate. After a few election cycles of you guys trying to sell your brand of Democracy, another group will come along to displace Progressives with a more centrist set of policies. Market forces work every time.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:48 amWhy is the presence of Muslims in Africa, which has had a Muslim presence practically since Islam began, a threat to the rest of people living in Africa?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:10 pmGiven that both countries have current populations over 1 billion, there ability to emmigrate en masse alone is staggering.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 21, 2006 @ 9:46 am
That presupposes open-border policies in the host countries, and movements half-way across the globe of Indians and Chinese by the boat and planeloads.
There is also the historical trends: Most Indians who emigrate choose to move to either the US, the UK, or South Africa. The Chinese move to the Philipines, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, or the US.
Moreover, for your prediction to be true, fertility rates have to fall below replacement levels -and keep in mind sub-Saharan Africa has the highest fertility rates in the world. Also, that Indians and Chinese have the numbers doesn’t mean they will want to move en masse or even have the capacity to do it. That’s your speculation.
To all – you only need look where the genocide is occurring in Africa to understand the means by which muslims in Africa are willing to seize control of territory.
Ah, so this is where you are trying to get: Those big bad Muslims, and their big bad expansion.
Out of the four countries you mentioned, three already have sizable Muslim populations and have had for quite some time. Your “Muslim takeover” does not ring true in any of them. Lastly, Ethiopia does not have a Muslim insurgency as much as it had a separatist movement in Eritrea, which -by the way- is roughly half Muslim and half Christian.
You may choose to ignore it, since it is not in your backyard, but I find it striking that the mainstream media still pays little or no attention to these conflicts and their root causes.
Just to mention one case: The root cause in Sudan is a separatist movement that pitted African tribes against the Muslim government of Khartoum (Muslims running an African country!? gasp!). By the way, the Sudanese government has been fighting a Christian insurgency in the South -I guess the real danger in Sudan is Christian expansionism.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:33 pmStop the presses! There are Muslims in Africa! They are the majority in several African states! Somehow they infiltrated the place, and, while we weren’t looking, have been living in communities there for hundreds of years!
We can conclude only one thing: the fact that Muslims live in Africa can ONLY mean that they want the whole continent for themselves. If they DIDN’T want to have total control over the continent of Africa, what other reason could they have for having lived there for generations?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pmArabs are pressing in from the north, and Indians and Chinese from the East – all three are far more industrious and equally prolific in birthrate.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 21, 2006 @ 9:46 am
I missed these pearls of wisdom. So you think African people are lazy?
Nice touch, Mr. Hendler.
Africa is the untamed, undeveloped expanse as North America was before America’s Manifest Destiny.
Before “America’s Manifest Destiny” people had to be forcibly removed from their ancestral lands and thrown into reservations. I don’t know what books you’ve been reading lately, but they surely mention several decades of Indian wars, don’t they?
Is this the kind of ethnic cleansing you envision for Africa? The British already tried in South Africa and failed.
What I gather is that your concern for genocide in Darfur is less about saving those non industrious black people then about containing “Muslim expansionism”. You don’t like Africans, but you like Muslims even less.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:56 pm… I hope you’re kidding me … you mean to say that mccain could be doing what comes naturally to all other repubs:LIE! Be still my heart the one repub I thought would never lie .. being a navy man and all … a man of honor … who killed kids for a living 30 years ago … are you sure? ‘It’ does not look like a liar to me … that vile piece of human shit …
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