Buchanan: Mexico Conspiring To ‘Re-Annex’ Seven Southwest States
Buchanan: Mexico Conspiring To ‘Re-Annex’ Seven Southwest States
Appearing on Imus In the Morning to promote his new book, State of Emergency, Pat Buchanan asserted that the Mexican government has a “direct program” to reannex “the seven states of the American Southwest.” The first step is for Mexico “to push the poor, unemployed, and uneducated into the United States.” He criticized President Bush for not understanding “the nature and character of the invasion” from Mexico. Watch it:
Transcript:
BUCHANAN: The nature and character of the invasion is far different than anything that used to happen. 58% of the Mexican people in one survey indicated they believed that the American Southwest belonged actually to Mexico. It was stolen from them. It belongs to them and I think that the Mexican government has a direct program basically to push it’s poor, unemployed, and uneducated into the United States for a variety of purposes. And one of them, in my judgment — in which I believe I documented it in the book — is an attempt at the reconquista they call it, the reannexation of the seven days states of the American Southwest, link linguistically, ethnically and culturally to become as much a part of Mexico is they are a part of America. And I think that is well underway.
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I agree.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:44 amAllow me to clarify: I agree with Buchanan, which is unusual.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:46 amThe City of El Paso officially states that enforcing immigration laws would kill the city.
Wow.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:49 amIf you pick up a Dallas Morning News classified you’ll see, for example, 2 types of ads for an electrician:
-18$ to 25$ per hour, which means you want a white english-speaking person.
8$ to 14$ per hour, which means you’ll take a Mexican.
It’s the same across the board. All trades. Carpenters, plumbers, etc.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:49 amwatch this buchanan clip – another gem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw
August 21st, 2006 at 9:50 amPat Buchanan is apparently in charge of the latest diversion — as if that picture wasn’t diversion enough…
Great screen capture, TP!
August 21st, 2006 at 9:53 ambuchanan is a few fries short of a happy meal… for one thing, mexico isn’t ABOUT to risk losing the remittances mexican immigrants send to mexico annually…
the lion’s share of this staggering amount comes directly from the u.s… get a clue, pat…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
August 21st, 2006 at 9:58 amhe should just get it over with and change his name to turd ferguson
August 21st, 2006 at 9:59 amActually, the Neocons & Christofascists have invaded the integrity and long standing values of the United States. From immigration to National Security, they would have us believe that this great Nation we grew up in is lost.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:59 amFolks, it’ll only be lost if we listen to whack jobs like Buchanan & Dobson, et al. They are determined to reduce us to a fearful & reactionary stance about issues only they believe in.
Geraldo Rivera has more credibility than Pat Buchanan.
Why is it that the Buchanans & Falwells of the world can spew this sewage, call for loyalty to
the party from the pulpit & politicize the church without losing non-profit status? Because Bush will ignore rules & ethics if the message supports him!
Pat, go read you bible. None of the shit you espouse fits into any scripture…you guys make this shit up!
Yeah, he was at the Iowa State Fair, sucking on corn like a pig while spewing hate like a typical Rovain Neocon.
Pat, my God doesn’t recognize yours…what’ wrong with that picture?
I’m willing to hear any notion that involves giving away Texas.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:00 ami hope someone asked him if the annexation of those seven states was supposed to take place before or after the nationwide black/white race war
August 21st, 2006 at 10:01 amWow…58% of Mexican citizens correctly answered a question about their country’s history. If only we could get American citizens up to that standard…
Egads! From whata Pat is saying, you’d think that America is nothing but some sort of…melting pot or something.
Idiot.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:01 amAHHH! Brown people are going to take my apple pie!
August 21st, 2006 at 10:03 amBut Pat acts like this immigration thing is a surpise attack or something. Its been going on for what almost 30 years now? Fearmongering and rallying around the flag is not a real option when dealing with our immigration issues. I mean how is it productive at all?
August 21st, 2006 at 10:05 amDon’t worry, Bush’s plan to keep America poor, unemployed, and uneducated is working to combat this influx in the southern states.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:06 amCan’t we enter negotiations with Mexico and offer them Texas in return for leaving the other six states alone.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:06 amAll Mexicans in Texas consider Texas to be Mexico. Even as far North as Dallas you better believe it.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:08 amI don’t agree with Buchanan’s conclusions but the fact is that with the exception of what we ‘won” from the British during the American Revolution and the Louisiana Purchase and purchase of Alaska, we stole everything else from Native Americans and from Mexico. (One could further make the case that even these transactions were purchases of stolen goods.) Reconquista is a good word since the U.S. (like Spain) was a conquistador. We were imperialists then; we’re imperialists now.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:10 amHi. My name is John Doe and I’m running for _____________________________.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:11 amThe Total Information Awareness program was killed by a bipartisan congress in 2004 but George Bush is running the program anyway. We need to stop this program and implement and fund real security measures right here at home. And that includes border security. Thank you and vote for me, John Doe, candidate for ______________.
OK, so every country on the planet hates us, we’re going to war with Iean soon. We are at war in Iraq and Afghanistan and losing. And the mexicans, who aren’t that thrilled with us since the Mexicofascists are invading us rhetoric started are the next on the pre-emptive war hit parade for HitloBush. Great.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:15 amSome people just need to be on the front page every once in a while, and will say the requisite outlandish thing to get there.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:16 amNaturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
–Hermann Goering
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, THE TRUTH IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF THE STATE.” — Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
“The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye: the more light you pour on it, the more it contracts.”
Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, U.S. Supreme Court
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.†-Sinclair Lewis
August 21st, 2006 at 10:19 amyep
America is finished
I’d give it maybe another 50 years max.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:20 amBuchanan is a schizoid. On the one hand, he has this other wacky notion about Mexico and on the other hand, I have to agree about his tirade about Israel’s assault on Lebanon as seen in the youtube link in #5 post.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:21 amI wonder if this is how the Romans felt c400 AD.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:21 amrobob,
August 21st, 2006 at 10:23 amI like your quotes. And I get along very well with Texas Mexicans. But this is an important issue that I don’t think has anything to do with fascism.
End NAFTA and reinstate regulations on free trade. This will help Mexico. If Mexico was a worthwhile place to stay for earning money, folks would stay there. Any debate over Mexican immigration that does not engage in a discussion about how US-Mexico trade policies affect the agricultura and working classes of Mexico is short sighted, innaccurate, and incmplete.
Otherwise, all of this silly babbling about Mexican wanting a re-anexing of the South West, walls, increased security, or any other silly idea is just a load of hot air. As someone once said “Its the economy stupid”
August 21st, 2006 at 10:25 amOh my God Pat you’ve cracked the conspiracy wide open, the Islamofascists are conspiring with the Mexicofascists and the Canadiofascists to bring us down. And of course we’re all aware of the complicity of the UN in all this with the Russofascists, Chinofascists, and Francofascists all working against us.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:26 amGreat, they can have Texas.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:26 amWow, he drinks the Same Kool Aid Michelle Malkin does.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:26 amWhere’s Davy Crockett when you need him??
August 21st, 2006 at 10:27 amIt is the fault of the greed of the business community to maximize their bottom lines mindlessly by exploiting illegal workers.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:29 amWhat Buchanan missed is that Canada has entered a secret agreement with Mexico that if a US state does vote to secede and rejoin Mexico and if the US sends in the Alamo Brigade Canada will attack North Dakota and Montana. (don’t laugh we have 6 working tanks and are saving up to buy some ammo for them!!!)
August 21st, 2006 at 10:29 amGreat video. I think his points are quite reasonable form the perspecitve which he makes so well grounded, even if I disagree in some points.
Thank you for sharing this story with me !
August 21st, 2006 at 10:30 amWell, Im quite liberal but I believe Pat is totally right. There may never be an official annexation but a defacto one is happening right now.
You can look at what they did in morrocco with the “great march” into the western sahara to skew the votes away from the locals, the polisario. Same thing with Tibet in China. They give tax and other financial incentives for chinese to move there in the hopes that even a local referendum would vote for chinese control. Flooding a region with your people by giving them incentives to move there as a way to ensure political control is nothing new.
Its easier for people who live in the north to give in to knee-jerk egalitarian instincts and fear of the racial politics involved *but* many people in border states know better. These arent the irish or the italians and they arent going to come in a short wave. They are directly on our border and they will politically own this country within a generation or two. This is an immigration wave the likes of which the continent hasnt seen since the indians came 10k years ago or the europeans 500 years ago.
They know it too.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:31 amParkland hospital in Dallas currently sends huge bills to the Mexican consulate for all the free loading Mexicans that pass through their hospital.
Don’t deny this problem just because you people lean more toward communism than a lawful, just society.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:33 amI always find it amazing how these people think giving Israel back the to the peoples it was “stolen” from, 2000 years prior, is perfectly justifiable. But Mexicans wanting land back that was “stolen” from them, 200 prior, is some how unthinkable.
I guess the bible doesnt mention Mexicans much.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:33 amThanx Pat for news on this new invasion (first I’ve heard of it). I liked your rant against the Zionist War Crimes in Lebanon also. While I don’t agree with everything you say, I find that you make more sense than most of the other pundits.( And a lot more sense than Bush, but that’s easy)
August 21st, 2006 at 10:40 amCheck this out. A real harbinger of what’s coming.
Parlier, a small California central valley town was taken over by Mexicans on City Council. Mexicans are about 98% of Parlier.
They bankrupted the town treasury completely. Fresno County had to assume control of the town to keep city services running. It took years to keep the town from becoming a pot-holed, corrupt police village like Enssenada or Tiajuana.
This actually happened. Fresno County and Parlier hesitiate to answer questions on it, but a close friend was a consultant to the rescue and showed me all the facts.
Parlier today, Los Angeles tomorrow. All they need is a majority on City Council.
Buenos Dias, Amigos.
Guiellermo
August 21st, 2006 at 10:44 amWouldn’t it be great if the immigration laws were actually enforced in every municipality in the country? Those employers who got caught hiring undocumented workers were penalized so harshly they went out of business? Your big McBurger cost 11.00? The 300,000 home you were looking at buying cost 450,000. There is a cost to everything, are you willing to pay it?
August 21st, 2006 at 10:46 amCorrect.
Are you f**ing kidding me? Proofs, man, please.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:49 amFour out of the fifteen city council members in LA are hispanic.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:49 amYes, it’s true, the Canadians are conspiring to annex Wyoming and Washington as well, they are currently rearming with spitballs, slingshots and snowballs.
California will be annexed by the Chinese conspirators and Florida by those poor cubans who are currently arming their flotilla with oars and fishing poles..
New York will be annexed by those conspiring europoeans coming over here to get away from those conspiring French islamofascists, and those damn pyramids with 666 slates of glass.
Oh yeh, the Indians on American reservations are conspiring to annex Oklahoma and New Mexico, the whole purpose of Casinos on reservations is a giant conspiracy you see…
Meanwhile those damn Aliens, The Reptilians have dug secret bases under the earth and are conspiring to rule earth, why would Aliens want anything to do with these intelligent people is beyond us.
The little green aliens are conspiring to take over earths atmosphere and have been using ELF signals to corrupt government officials into taking money from the Oil conglomerates to increase the CO2 in the Atmosphere..
As well, the fundamentalists, and zionist international bankers are conspiring with the reptilians\aliens, as well as satan, too put the anti-christ into power in the white house fomenting the end time scenario.
And finally, for all his conspiring, Mankind, only those reborn warmongers, pundits and televangelists, like limbaugh, will then float up thru the aether, with all their material goods, and be greeted at the pearly gates for taking such great care of earth and fomenting wars thru hate speech.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:51 amOh most potent and majestic of nations that trembles at the thought of the invasion by an unarmed army of uneducated and poor brown-skinned invaders! (Can it be called an invasion if they came to answer a help-wanted ad? Excuse me senor, but I came for the electrician’s job; oh and to destroy your country, when can I start?)
And we wonder why hispanics want ownership of these 7 states; it’s to rescue them from Buchanan and his ilk.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:51 amAll Mexicans in Texas consider Texas to be Mexico. Even as far North as Dallas you better believe it.
Comment by The DLC are Frauds — August 21, 2006 @ 10:08 am
The same with mohicans, navajos, sioux, apaches, cherokees, etc think about their country.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:53 amSi señor, Mexico reclama y recuperara el territorio nacional que le fue arreabatado.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:53 amOK, yes, lots of Mexican immigrants are entering the U.S. This is not new. They will continue to enter as long as we are a dynamic growing economy. All dynamic growing economies attract in-migrants. Should California have closed its borders in the 1940s and 1950s?
August 21st, 2006 at 10:58 amThe world changes. The real question is how we adapt and deal with the changes. Pat does not seem to have much to offer here other than suggesting we should all be very worried. A more productive approach would be to accept the inevitable, be thankful our economy is not in a depression (yet), and learn to live with the diversity and dynamism of an attractive society. Americans had better learn some Spanish. They might actually enjoy it.
It is a pathetically slow day when Pat Buchanon and his paranoid conspiracy theories become a topic of conversation.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:58 amLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Buchanan has really gone out on a limb this time. He’s NUTZ!
Why on earth would Mexico want to “re-annex” any of its former territory that is now part of the US? Hell, they have a hard enough time taking care of the people they have now!
I have serious questions about anyone who thinks that Mexico would do such a thing. It’s insane!
August 21st, 2006 at 11:04 amPat LeftIndependent blog , Hank, Vicente Lopez, reasew, Juan C – now it’s clear the Mexicofascists have placed subversive agents within our own country. Well GW ‘ill show ya’ll, the bombing of Tiajauna begins at happy hour.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:04 amSo the millions of Mexicans who have had to leave Mexico to find work because a self-serving elite impoverishes the country will voluntarily vote to join Mexico again so they can return to the same exploitation they fled. What does Buchanan think they are -
August 21st, 2006 at 11:05 amRepublicans?
Don’t deny this problem just because you people lean more toward communism than a lawful, just society.
Comment by The DLC are Frauds — August 21, 2006 @ 10:33 am
First, I think the vast majority of people in here are not communists…far from it.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:09 amSecond, why is a communism state different from a lawful, just society. An example: US is a capitalist state, right? Is US a lawful, just society? Keep trying.
I thought you guys stopped us at the Alamo. Guess not!
August 21st, 2006 at 11:09 amWell, the Mexicans are right. We did steal the land. We provoked them into war specifically for that purpose. Mexico invited settlers into Texas and then the settlers fought for ‘indepencence’ from Mexico. Please, they’re just taking back what was theirs to begin with. Viva la annexacion!!
August 21st, 2006 at 11:12 amI have serious questions about anyone who thinks that Mexico would do such a thing. It’s insane!
Comment by Jonathon — August 21, 2006 @ 11:04 am
Well, probably because here in Mexico we think that all issues should be solved with the use of force…just that. And, because mexican army has like 5 or 6 F-5. You know, Mexico is a real threat. Yeah.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:13 amWe would not have a “Pat Bucannan” problem if we had kept those poor and hungry Irish out of the United States.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:20 amLooks like Pat Buchanan found the Zimmerman Note.
Terrible news! I’ve just found out something alarming: 25% of Americans are Catholic! Yes, Catholic! They made up only 1% of the U.S. population in 1790, but our country has been swamped! We can’t have the Protestant country which the Founding Fathers imagined with a quarter of our population being Pope-obeying semi-polythiestic heathens!
We never should have let anybody in- our country gets less American with every immigrant! Call me an alarmist, but don’t come crying to me when you’re being dragged from your home in the middle of the night and having communion wafers stuffed into you. It’s too late to save our culture or preserve the Republic of 1789. Better brush up on your Latin, everybody. Help! Opus Dei is pounding on the door! The country is doomed. The Pope himself is surely on his way right now.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:22 amThis nitwit may be revealing a hairbrain scheme of Mexico.
After all Mexico would be repeating the exact way the US stole those states from Mexico.
The US flooded the Mexican territories with immigrants at Mexico’s invitation to settle the areas.
After the the US had a large enough population they simply ‘took over’ the Mexican states.
What irony…..like it could happen….. even with the help of Venezuela.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:22 amThis ius just more republofascist divide and conquer. they have a midterm election coming up and if they can get the whites fighting the Jews fighting the blacks fighting the Latinos then their core 30% cryptofascists can vote in block, while we all infight. Look at what they are trying in CT, split the vote and win – that’s the point of this crap.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:22 amI’m a leftie — Green Party member, in fact — but there is much to what Pat has to say.
The Mexican power elite have a decaying, oligarchic society and they use the US as an escape valve for their poor and disenfranchised. The last thing the Mexican government and the Mexican power elite want is millions of disaffected, unemployed young people with ambition staying in Mexico, stirring up trouble.
Clear them out so the Mexican elites can continue their sclerotic government/economic system.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:23 amI doubt Tijuana (or any other tourist hot spot) is a target; it would wipe out a large portion of the US military and political elite that would be needed to defend the US from such an ‘invasion’.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:24 amWhat’s the difference of being owned by Mexico or Israel?
August 21st, 2006 at 11:25 amThe last thing the Mexican government and the Mexican power elite want is millions of disaffected, unemployed young people with ambition staying in Mexico, stirring up trouble.
Comment by David Raether — August 21, 2006 @ 11:23 am
I agree. And just for you to know, this mexican ruling class is supported by the US, IMF, WorldBank, WTO, etc. Nobody wants a thinking society.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:26 amokay- this is true. frankly, i do not care that much. but if you live in LA you know this PB is actually on to something.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:26 amwhat he doesn’t say is that it will fail and that the mexican government is too corrupt to take over the southwest and that we in the USA need these people or our economy WILL fail.
merge is a better word than takeover.
Buchanan is a racist xenophobic buffoon. The idea that Mexico would attempt to annex any part of the U.S. is sheer fantasy, (though they might be right to make the claim). Buchanan only seeks to foment his racist agenda.
That Buchanan even gets air time reflects that he is of value to the corporate oligarchy in his ability to divide workers and pit us against each other thus undermining our ability to unite for better conditions.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:28 am[...] So says Pat Buchanan, wingnut of the old school. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 11:31 amThe Mexican power elite have a decaying, oligarchic society
USA in, what, 50 years?…that many?…
August 21st, 2006 at 11:40 amRun fer the hills, its the Mexercans!
-John Q. Cracker
August 21st, 2006 at 11:41 amso what? can’t mexico have a ‘manifest destiny’?
August 21st, 2006 at 11:44 amShhhh! Don’t you realize that it’s the exact opposite of what Pat thinks? We’re taking over them. Whose culture and economy will actually survive? Whose political dirty tricks will prove more potent? Si se puede!
August 21st, 2006 at 11:55 amTerry: no! The phrase ‘manifest destiny’ is copyrighted by Amurika!
August 21st, 2006 at 11:55 amChina calling;
August 21st, 2006 at 11:56 amWe are in LA and Vancouver BC as I speak. We will be taking over the west coast. If Mexico takes over we will be having a war with them in 50 years instead of with the US.
Those of you thst are so ready to give Texas away just don’t know what you are talking about. Need a cheap shot at Bush, leave Texas the hell out of it. The guy is a Yale man from MAINE.
As for Mexicans, I say bring ‘em on. As people go, they’re as decent as any, certainly any of us. Certainly as decent as my grandparents who came to this country with waves of “impoverished” immigrants from Europe at the turn of the last century. They seem to be working their asses off just like grandparents did.
Mexican culture is ENRICHING the culture of Texas and the United States. “Tex-Mex” isn’t just a MENU, it’s the culture here. America without the contributions of Mexican immigrants would be like American with out the cultural contributions of African Americans; that is, much the lesser. They can’t “take back” the Southwest for Mexico, of course that is just preposterous. They will have no desire to, when they can proudly say they too are AMERICANS.
Hank (#47), thanks for the level headed POV.
After all of that, let me just say that I’m kind of wishing Native Americans would “take back” the Disctrict of Columbia. Maybe we could trade it to them in exchange for worthless beads and baubles.
Oh, and what was that annoying noise that was bugging me a minute ago…oh yeah…Pat Buchannan’s mouth. This man wrote alot of the crap that came out of NIXON’s mouth. Hhmph.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:59 am#70 – Baja OC,
August 21st, 2006 at 12:00 pmWhat makes you believe that Pat thinks?
Is it just me or did comment 9 confuse Pat Buchannan with Pat Robertson?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:04 pmHere in Kollyfornya we see and hear a lot about La Reconquista. Tell Buchanan, however, that it’s his boys, The Republicans, who want the enormous pool of cheap, exploitable labor which they are using as a stalking horse to lower the standard of living for the enire middle class of this country. Meanwhile, the Left, which would not normally miss a chance to attack this kind of human and economic exploitation, remains silent for fear of being called yahoos and nativists.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:04 pm#65
An accurate assessment,imo.
David Duke- lite is mouthing off–as instructed.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:07 pmIs there any reason why those above (except for those who support annexation) think that Mexico wouldn’t do the same thing that Texans did when Texas was still Mexico territory? Perhaps they’re making false assumptions about Mexico’s leaders.
40 says “Your big McBurger cost 11.00?”
Actually, even biased studies haven’t shown even large gains from illegal labor. And, labor costs only account for a small percentage of most things; with lettuce it’s just 10% of the cost. And, if you’re really concerned about food prices, then let stoop vegetable production (strawberries) move offshore.
I have a thought experiment concerning one of Buchanan’s points at the following URL (remove the underscores since I’ve been banned):
lo___newacko.com/blog/archives/005451.html
If you oppose annexation, but you’re unsure about whether Buchanan is right, read the link and think about it.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:08 pmAs long as people come here legally, I am 100% for it. If they come illegally, I am 100% against it.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:09 pmAnd why is it a bad thing if a majority in any of those states becomes of Mexican descent? Way back in the 1820’s & 1830’s that region was a part of Mexico. The US government encouraged it’s citizens to move to Texas and set up shop. They also pretty much encouraged those same people to stay loyal to the US rather than be loyal to the new country they emigrated to, because that’s what they did they emigrated to a new country (Mexico) and rebelled. Is that what people are afraid of happening in the US? Or are they afraid that Brown people might govern differently than the good people they have governing them now?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:09 pmI remember when Buchanan used to be the punchline of Nazi jokes. In recent years, however, he seems so… reasonable in comparison to the neocons.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:15 pmNo you scumbag, there is no conspiracy. America isn’t buying your wacko theories. Stay out of the USA’s politics bozo.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pmMore diversions by conjuring up fear.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:29 pmFour out of the fifteen city council members in LA are hispanic.
just think about what the city council looked like in the 1800’s when california had been colonized by spain and then became part of mexico. the nerve of those people to stick around for a dozen decades or so!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:30 pmaccording to the INS web site for ‘this month in immigration history’, february, 1848, the us immigrants into the mexican province of tejas:
1. refused to covert to catholicism as they required to by law
2. refused to learn spanish
3. imported slavery into tejas against mexican law
4. were partly responsible for destabilizing mexico leading to santa anna’s dictatorship
hmm…
August 21st, 2006 at 12:33 pmManifest destiny – translated into German: ‘lebensraum’.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:38 pmUtter bollox.
As an immigrant to this country, I’ve been hearing the same old “stealing our jobs,” “poluting our culture,” “endangering ‘the American Way of Life’” nonsense consistently for the last 15 years.
Immigration IS the American Way of Life. Did this country just come into existance by the grace of God? Maybe Pat thinks so. But this is just another means of blindsiding us into excusing the Right’s blatant xenophobia and fear of “the other.”
Invasion, my ass.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:59 pmAs a liberal Democrat from the Northeast who loves Pat Buchanan for reasons even I do not understand, I hope he’s right! I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep if Mexico took Texas and the rest… Adios!
August 21st, 2006 at 1:05 pmWell, I’d be willing to fight to retain the remainder of the Southwest… but if Mexico re-annexed Texas, Democrats would need only 5 seats to take over the US House, instead of 15, so… hmmmm….
August 21st, 2006 at 1:20 pmI think that the Mexican government has a direct program basically to push it’s poor, unemployed, and uneducated into the United States
In typical fearmonger fashion, not a shred of evidence is presented to support such a wild, preposterous accusation. A simple “I think that…” is more than enough to start the rumor.
[...] one of them, in my judgment — in which I believe I documented it in the book — is an attempt at the reconquista they call it [...]
The first time I read about the “reconquista” was in some right-wing magazine. I think that, even if it had a grain of truth, it is largely a fabricated outrage to whip up the base into action: If it’s not the Muslim “threat”, then it’s the Hispanic “threat” that will be used to mobilise the minions.
Such are the policies of bigotry, fear and prejudice.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:23 pmQuick! We need to invade Mexico: we can work them over there, rebuilding the things we blew up, so we don’t have to work them over here, and take jobs away from Americans. And since they have oil, the reconstruction will pay for itself. Geez, I’m surprised no one thought of it sooner . . .
Pat B. says so – that’s good enough for me (he’s at least as credible as the “intel” we used to invade Iraq).
August 21st, 2006 at 1:24 pmThe notion that Texas was ’stolen’ from Mexico is unsupported by history, seceded from Mexico in 1836. Texas agreed to become part of the U.S. and the Mexican congress approved a resolution on 4 June 1845 authorizing the president “with the lawful rights to use all resources to withstand to the last resort such annexation.” (i.e. war)
California is more of a toss up but Mexico did received millions of dollars for it the other ’stolen’ states (Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo). But if getting money for land is stealing then I guess we stole Louisiana from the French and Alaska from the Russians.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:32 pmI dont know if it is official Mexican policy, but I have heard this from mexicans and I have been told by other people that they to have heard this from mexican people they know. So it is definately some kind of fantasy of at least some mexicans.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:32 pmViva Amerixo!
August 21st, 2006 at 1:36 pm#92 – that treaty was a bit like being mugged and being left a twenty to pay for the taxi to the hospital by the mugger.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:40 pm[...] Think Progress Appearing on Imus In the Morning to promote his new book, State of Emergency, Pat Buchanan asserted that the Mexican government has a “direct program” to reannex “the seven states of the American Southwest.” The first step is for Mexico “to push the poor, unemployed, and uneducated into the United States.” He criticized President Bush for not understanding “the nature and character of the invasion” from Mexico. Watch it Transcript: BUCHANAN: The nature and character of the invasion is far different than anything that used to happen. 58% of the Mexican people in one survey indicated they believed that the American Southwest belonged actually to Mexico. It was stolen from them. It belongs to them and I think that the Mexican government has a direct program basically to push it’s poor, unemployed, and uneducated into the United States for a variety of purposes. And one of them, in my judgment — in which I believe I documented it in the book — is an attempt at the reconquista they call it, the reannexation of the seven days states of the American Southwest, link linguistically, ethnically and culturally to become as much a part of Mexico is they are a part of America. And I think that is well underway. My personal position stands: Enforce the laws against HIRING illegal aliens and the flow will reverse. No need for a Great Wall. Remove the incentive. This will force Mexico to deal with their own poverty/discontent. And strengthen the American middle class. (I know, the neo-cons are scared shitless about a strong middle class. It would be their undoing.) __________________ ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~ [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 1:41 pmI find it easy to understand where Pat is coming from. How else does a “never has been” geta little attention. He’s a long way fron Point/Counterpoint. Pat, you ignorant slut!!
August 21st, 2006 at 1:44 pmNow why would they want to do that when they can just keep their poorest people leaving their country to come to the USA? Once here they start sending lot’sa money back to Mexico.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmI have been in line at the Post Office when Mexicans come in to buy postal money orders. You can not believe the $100 bills they count out. BILLIONS are going south of the border while the poorest of the poor keep coming north. It’s a win-win for Mexico.
We really need to attach a fee for all money orders. We could actually get some money back for all the services required to serve such a large illegal population which are streaming up from Mexico.
BUT the real answer is to stop employing illegals! Bush will never allow his base to pay for legal labor when illegals work for cheap.
He’s right… by the time anyone wakes up to this, it will be too late – it may already be too late.
As far as the money going back, it’s being used to prepare the next wave – that’s not very hard to figure out.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:27 pm“Buchanan: Mexico Conspiring To ‘Re-Annex’ Seven Southwest States” – Judd
******I feel like we’re having a “Hallmark moment”!! Progs and Conserves agreeing on SOMETHING! Here in San Diego, we have a positive relationship with LEGAL immigrants. The problem: we are OVERRUN by illegals. Most are hard-working: the rest CLOG our schools, hospitals and jails. But if want a real eye-opener, visit http://www.aztlan.net . (Don’t despair progs who advocate for open borders, the Mexicans who advocate returning the Southwest to Mexico – identifyy with the benighted Palestinians and share a hared of Israel.)
Must be running….
August 21st, 2006 at 2:31 pmI was really starting to take umbrage about everyone trying to give away my state but when I studied Christopher Walker’s math above I have to agree that maybe it’s time Texans need to take one for the good of the country. After all we thought it was so clever to promote that failure out of the governor’s mansion; well it seemed like a good idea at the time. I will start again on my Spanish lessons.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:31 pmI am Mexican and I am sure that Mexico’s Government cant be able to plan a scheme such as this. If someday the states are reannexed to Mexico, I can assure that they are because of some other reason, and not because someone in Mexico planned it.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:37 pmDoes anyone remeber how the USA obtained those states? I don’t remember there being a sale of that land. When the USA bought large tracts of land it was from Russia and France not from from any of the local long term occupants. I am sure that France and Russia stole that land fair and square.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pmIf someday the states are reannexed to Mexico, I can assure that they are because of some other reason and not because someone in Mexico planned it.
so that’s how the bush administration will pay off the national debt.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pmDear Kal – Google Treaty of Guadalupe hidalgo and the Gadsen Purchase. You’re welcome….
August 21st, 2006 at 2:57 pmWow keep trying Pat
August 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmWhat’s the second step… fullscale military invasion.. or does Mexico simply declare, “We hereby annex the South Western United States”!
August 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmPlease, for the love of God, stop berating Texas and Texans! There are PLENTY of Democrats, liberals and progressives here who are working like hell to break the chokehold that the GOP has had on our state since GWB cheated his way into the governership.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmWe’re getting closer all of the time and we could use support from our blue state “friends”.
And, yes, Pat Buchanan is a raving idiot!
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August 21st, 2006 at 3:11 pmWhere is the outrage over remittances to India and China? Those two countries combined receive almost twice in remittances than what Mexico receives.
The purchase of Mexican territory after the Mexican American war was opposed by many in the US. It was seen as taking war spoils from a defeated nation. President Polk initiated the war with Mexico as a part of his Manifest Destiny to extend the borders of the US from coast to coast.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:13 pmWe outsource a good deal of our low skill labor to other countries.
At the same time a large pool of low skilled labor is allowed to enter the country.
Since there are now less low skill jobs available…and a higher demand for the low skill jobs that are available…what do you think will be the economic result when it comes to wages?
And what kind of jobs will they be?
despite the stereotype, everyone over the border is not going to be picking fruit and selling produce on the side of the highway and most won’t become CEO’s of their own companies (at least the first generation across), so where are the jobs coming from?
Answer
Plumbers, carpenters, construction, House cleaning and other domestic services mostly…all good paying jobs 20 years ago.
And due to the labor influx, predicably these jobs have had real wage decreases for the last 20 years despite the rise of inflation. Paying less for the same work. Sounds like the perfect recipe for social stability.
Maybe this is why Casaer Chavez was for controlled legal immigration.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:19 pm98 says: “We really need to attach a fee for all money orders.”
Tom Tancredo proposed that idea. FirstDataa – which owns WsternUnion – responded by monetarily supporting his Democratic opponent.
Lesson: the problem is with both the GOP and the Dems. That partially explains why there’s such a stalemate on this issue, as partisanship takes precedence over the well-being of the country.
If you believe 102’s comment, you might want to read up on those who run Mexico: http://tinyurl.com/mszmp
August 21st, 2006 at 3:21 pmFor once I agree with Pat Buchanan-looks like a whole lot of others who read this site do as well. Perhaps it’s not so rediculous? Or maybe we are all wolves in sheeps clothing, not really liberals at all.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:29 pm#110 – “Where is the outrage over remittances to India and China? Those two countries combined receive almost twice in remittances than what Mexico receives.”
–Comment by deegeeeee
******Dear DG – Thank you for sharing your irrelevant “comment”. When the US has 20-30 million ILLEGAL Chinese and Indians running around – get back with us. I haven’t noticed our hospitals and schools burgeoning with illegals from India and China. Just this morning I had a client to visit at the SD Metro Jail – funny thing, the place was NOT overflowing with Chinese and Indians. Whooooo KNEW?
YOUR knowledge and your smokescreen are hazy….
August 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmOr maybe we are all wolves in sheeps clothing, not really liberals at all.
Comment by Ed
Truth is truth… the truth is we like the USA just as it is now .. landwise. The truth is also shitty because the truth is we did illegal things to Mexico and then when Mexico reacted we waged war with them and then “paid” them for taking what we wanted… even though they didnt want the money, nor the war, nor the illegals in their country that started the trouble in the first place and that later became the citizens of Texas.
The truth is also shitty because if we held Americas acts against Mexico to the same moral level we are holding Americas actions against Iraq then we would have to demand that America give back the occupied Mexican land… yet we also consider that land as absolutely part of that shaped landmass that we learned as children to be “America”… much easier to give up occupied land when it is far away than when it is attached to you and has been since before any of us were born.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmAs a native-born, non-Hispanic Texan, I have to say that I understand completely the sentiment of those who think the US would be better of if it just gave Texas back to the Mexicans – and if the terms of the deal included putting Kay Bailey Hutchinson, John Cornyn, and the Bush twins to work scrubbing toilets for less than minimum wage, that would be all the better.
On a more serious note, MessiahComplexio, author of post number 111, nails it as far as the economic reality is concerned.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:59 pmRemember the Alamo!
August 21st, 2006 at 4:04 pmMy dear Gerald – Of course you would like to equate the treatment of Mexicans in 1835 with the treatment of Iraq today- – I can SEE the sense of your trying to equate the two (or at least your attempt to draw sloppy parallels) when I consider your penchant for moral relativism…..
Soooo, good to hear your “thought-provoking” input….
August 21st, 2006 at 4:09 pmI vote for giving them Texas and calling it good.
August 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pmMighty aphrodite, first of all you need to get out more. Secondly, The issue is a wire transfer tax that should be imposed on undocumented Mexicans. If the issue is remittances to other countries then impose the tax on all remittances unless you can devise a way to check a person’s tax records to see if they paid taxes on the money that they are wiring overseas. Absent that, it’s a useless argument.
August 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pmComment by deegee
Is the money really the issue?
I think the idea goes like so… as many mexicans as possible moves into the lower states… non-spansh speaking Americans move out as they feel “alien” in their own neighborhood. Rinse … repeat … I think the only question is … Does the Mexican government have this as an official plan or is it just a “folk tale” that is turning into reality?
August 21st, 2006 at 4:33 pmThe Right wants the cheap labor. The Left doesn’t want to be racist. The GOP’s backers want the cheap labor. the Dems want the Hispanic vote. So the tide continues – all the political forces in the US are aligned against doing anything to stop it. The Mexican government’s first priorties on immigration are: political stability and remmitances – emigration to the US acts as a safety valve to prevent a build-up in pressure for domestic reform, and remittances from the US help prop up the Mexican economy. I’m not sure though that Mexican government is sufficiently far-sighted or capable to engineer a ‘reconquista’, after all most of these guys are just gangsters out for themselves.
Also, if the people coming across the border were white (e.g. hot-lookin blondes), would we be having the same discussion about immigration?
August 21st, 2006 at 5:01 pmbLIar – http://www.aztlan.net reminds me of people like YOU….domestic enemies…..
August 21st, 2006 at 5:04 pmAlso, if the people coming across the border were white,(hot looking blondes) would we be having the same discussion about immigration.
You mean like when the Irish and Italian and German immigrants were excepted with open arms back in the day?
You had me until the “also”
August 21st, 2006 at 5:05 pmaccepted
August 21st, 2006 at 5:05 pmThose seven states are running out of water. Let the Mexicans have them.
August 21st, 2006 at 5:19 pmFirst–actually second– there was Mr. Bush’s revelation: our President informed the insensient world this very day of something we never knew: that Al Qaeda is reponsible for some of Iraq’s more spectacular bombings.
How did they ever sneak in there like that, without somebody other than our President ever realizing?
And now Pat Buchanan reveals on the very same day a bombshell about a sinister pllot hatched by the Mexican government to steal back seven of the United States.
Wow, two explosive stories in the same day! Wouldn’t it be kinda disrespectful for any of us from the lowly mass of the middle-class to challenge the combined intelligence. of such illustrious authorities?
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August 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pmThe are two way to conquer an adjacent country, if you can get away with it. One way is to mass an equipped army on the border, and cross with guns blazing.
The other way is to slowly and steadily infiltrate across the border with millions of “sleepers” installed in every population center until you have a critical mass required for the conquest established in the adjacent nation. Then you give them the guns from pre-placed caches and conduct massive sabotage of critical infrastructure, attacks on armorys and tactical control points in a sudden blitzkrieg, and its done in a few days.
Now which strategy would you bet is being applied by Fox and his likely successor?
August 21st, 2006 at 5:29 pmYeah. We must not let those dirty Hispanics take over the Southern states.
The US might get overflooded with distressingly ugly looking people like Shakira, Salma Hayek, or (the horror!) Eva Longoria. Yuck.
August 21st, 2006 at 5:43 pmThank God for the Mexicans, maybe Pat will leave the Jews alone for awhile!
August 21st, 2006 at 5:47 pmWake-up. Belitteling Buchanan’s message does not change the fact that many hear truth in what he says. This is the next hot button issue, and not only in the South West.
August 21st, 2006 at 5:53 pmBeyond the paranoia… Read up on the history of Texas to see why some fear Mexican retaliation.
August 21st, 2006 at 5:55 pmWhen all you got in your gun is the “red necks don’t want dirty hispanics in their neighborhood” argument your being just as simple-minded as the racists you take to task.
History shows us that ALL immigrants to the country get taken to the mat. It is because they are coming to compete for a pie that is preceived as only so large.
Racism can be a result of this anziety, but it is not the cause.
Why not get to the Nut of the issue rather than simplify. Unless your just looking to make some noise.
August 21st, 2006 at 5:59 pmShit, I guess I stopped getting the damm memos about the “reconquista” when i accepeted my US citizenship.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:07 pmPlease Pat, keep keeping me informed about my government’s…ur… I mean former government’s plans to reannex the southwest because without you I wouldn’t know my place in the world.
Según un gringo el gobierno de México CONSPIRA para re-anexar 7 estados del sur de EUA ! ! !…
Un gringo imbécil publicó que nuestro gobierno esta tratando hacerse de 7 estados del sur de EUA…Cómo??? según él, expandiendo la pobreza, ignorancia y desempleo que hay en el paÃs a esos estados!!!… Será esto el inicio del gobierno norteam…
August 21st, 2006 at 6:22 pmI live 14 miles north of the border in Santa Cruz County, Arizona. 80% of my wonderful neighbors are ambitious, assimilating, prospering Mexican-Americans.
Come visit, will you, Pat?
August 21st, 2006 at 6:23 pmanyone here been at any east coast vacation spot lately? You can’t go into ANY store or resturant without finding someone from the european eastern block working there. WHY? because we DONT have the people avaiable or necessary to man those positions. Now consider..the baby boomers, people born between 1946 and 1964 have already started to retire. that’s millions and millions of them. they won’t STOP retiring until 2029. now think about the number of children the boomers had. there’s NOT ENOUGH people to take care of them available right now. the middle of that time frame isn’t even here yet and we have to go to the ukraine for workers. where are the people going to come from in another 10 years?? the peoople in this country will be on their KNEES BEGGING mexico, and any other country they can get to listen, to send ANYONE here to help! without that help this country will face certain financial doom.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:28 pmWell, America did steal it off of Mexico in the first place, and even Pat says they want to reannex, so he admits it was their’s….so why shouldn’t Mexico take it back. Aren’t Americans all about “supporting indigenous peoples in their struggle against their oppressors”. The world would be a much better place if more of you just read your own history.
The next thing you know Canadians will be asking for the Alaskan Panhandle back. (And don’t try invading us in Canada again, ’cause we kicked your ass in 1812 and we can do it again if need be.)
Its great to watch an empire crumble.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:28 pmDeart Trash JOHN – When you hand back the land Canada stole from the First Tribes, get back with us. Smoke signals will do…
Speaking of empire crumbling….you Canucks do a worse job than us letting in every mal-content Muslim terror-wack – you sound so disgustingly…..weak and French….and an awful lot like my whiny sister-in-law from Montreal……
August 21st, 2006 at 6:48 pmJust to be clear, he means Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and Colorado? Good thing we have the National Guard…uh oh.. Um, Arnie?? Sen. McCain??
Where’s the transcript of Don’s response? “You moron, I live in Ribera, NEW MEXICO! Little Wyatt’s not old enough to fight, and those cancer kids won’t put much of a resistance. Maybe Deirdre can hold ‘em off with her organic cleaning products!”
August 21st, 2006 at 6:55 pmI think Pat forgot to take his meds today.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:24 pmI never never never agree with Pat Buchanan but I do today!
I don’t know if it’s official Mexican government policy but the reconquista of Arizona is goig to happen just the way things are going now with no changes.
Resident of Phoenix
August 21st, 2006 at 7:37 pmRemember the alamo?
August 21st, 2006 at 7:39 pmI find Buchannan’s comments ludicrous but not because they lack merit at heir face alue. No, indeed, it is ludicous that he should waste his time making them. In case anyone needs a refresher course, the purpose of NAFTA was to more or less erase economic borders between Mexico, US, and Canada. I seriously doubt that the political genius’ behind NAFTA have any interest in stopping at economics but that may sound paranoid and I don’t consider myself paranoid. Therefore lets just stick to economics. At some point, NAFTA will make the border between the US and Mexico rather pointless. At present, the border economy between thetwo nations is extensively intergrated; give it a generation and the social and economic character of the border region will largely homogenous and we can only hopethat some of the economic benefits will end up to the south. I needn’t remind folks who initiated NAFTA: It was not Mexico or Canada but a US government bought and paid for by multinational corporations that have no national allegiance. I’m not a NAFTA expert but anyone who supports an insideous Mexican plot to recapture knows less about this than I.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:42 pmGive them So. Cal, Arizona, Lower New Mexico and Texas. What a deal for the US. 80% of the illegal immagrants would no longer be illegal. They would be back on Mexican soil and dependent once again on their government for schooling and health benefits. Mexico can have Texas -Who cares. Mexico can have southern New Mexico and Arizona’s magnanimous resource of cactus and gila monsters, invading Snowbirds in motor homes and pensioners living in junky single wides. Mexico can supply the electricity water and gas to all 20 million people in So. Cal. instead of Northern California Washington, Idaho, Colorado and Canada.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:52 pmThe only people promoting this “reconquista” idea are bigots! They are simply trying to stir up their bigotted base toward hate, and this will only increase hate crimes against Hispanics. These are simply poor people trying to make a living, which were allowed in because of Clinton approving NAFTA (under Republican pressure), and Bush’s encouragement. This is not some diabolical plan to reconquer the Southwest. Honestly! What would WE do with it?
Here is some coincidence for you: Do you know the last time the country rose up against Hispanics? During the depression. Okies were killing Hispanics in California for jobs. Naturally born Hispanic adults were being shipped back to Mexico, even though they had never lived there. Why? Because the jobs were becoming rare. Ultimately I believe that this is what this is all about. White people wanting to blame Hispanics for their problems.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:55 pmHey Mighty Aphrodite!! What’s a Canuck?
And I agree. We should all get out of the Americas and “Go back where we came from!” See you on the plane. Wanker!
August 21st, 2006 at 7:57 pm“And why is it a bad thing if a majority in any of those states becomes of Mexican descent? Way back in the 1820’s & 1830’s that region was a part of Mexico. The US government encouraged it’s citizens to move to Texas and set up shop. They also pretty much encouraged those same people to stay loyal to the US rather than be loyal to the new country they emigrated to, because that’s what they did they emigrated to a new country (Mexico) and rebelled. Is that what people are afraid of happening in the US? Or are they afraid that Brown people might govern differently than the good people they have governing them now?”
I don’t have anything against brown people, but a lot of immigrants from Mexico have a high drop out rate from high school. Many are illiterate, and can only work low skill jobs. Many do not speak, and don’t seem to be able to learn English. Aside from that, they’re fine.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:18 pmPB says that the Mexican government has a direct program basically to push poor, unemployed uneducated into the united states. Does “direct” mean “official”?
Also, I must defend PB somewhat. Which is highly unusual.
I think suggesting “Mexico Conspiring To ‘Re-Annex’ ” is misleading relative to what I felt PB was saying.
I think PB’s qualification of “linguistically, ethnically, culturally” implies that “annex” is used more as a figure of speech. Although he does mention that poll…
August 21st, 2006 at 8:28 pmI always enjoy Pat, but I don’t always agree with him. I don’t understand why there are any immigration issues in this country. This country was built on the free markets. We are capitalists. In that vain, there should be no major immigration restrictions. Obviously I would want to have a national ID card for terrorism issues and taxation among other things, but we should let anyone come until it is not economically feasible. The free market always wins. That is why we have so many illegal immigrants. We have a good gig here in the US and many others want to participate. Don’t get me wrong. The proliferation of Walmarts, The Gap and other chain stores repulse me, but that’s capitalism. Those stores feed on cheap labor (here and abroad) for service jobs and/or manufacturing. We can’t pick and choose our free markets. They are self fufilling.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:30 pmIf Mexico annexes the Southwestern United States will all the mexicans leave for the rest of the US?
August 21st, 2006 at 8:48 pmMaybe not such a bad thing , but we have to insist they take the deep south with it . But on the other hand I like mexico and I’m not sure I’d wish our backward fundementalist redneck brethren on anybody .
August 21st, 2006 at 8:59 pmI think we should let in hundreds of millions of unemployed Chinese and Hindus to balance out the Spanish people coming in.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:02 pmHey..im mexican and the words of this old man makes me laugh…We are in other types of problems..like make consience in the poor people to not trepasse to the united states because they can dead :(
August 21st, 2006 at 9:30 pm(Sorry for bad english)
First the only people who have any original claim to the southwest is the American Indians we took it from……Mexico had no more claim to this lthan any other Eurocentric power and than we do ….and the Indians themselves were imigrants stealing the land from whatever aboriginal people existed at the time …Yes Paqt Buchanan is a whack job and a racist but….immigrant labor is driving wages down …….and the reason …the only reason we do not have reform is that the companies are addicted to cheap labor and no benefits ……..I have nothing against latin imigrants I belive in strict quotas an all immigrants includinbg whites ones from Canada who speak perfect English ………. The left and right wings of political and social life in this country are equally full of fecies on this issue ……..The United States does not anf never have an obligation to support the people of any nation …If you want what we have reform your colonial government and obsolete cultural infrastructure ….We would never be allowed the same privilidges we allow others when they come here …..Mexico is not an ancient culture cheated of its destiny it is a colonial culture that played the same colonial game we did and lost because we were better at it …at the same time as individuals they are hard working and honest and smart …….10,000 absolutely 10 million no way not of any race, or culture
August 21st, 2006 at 10:00 pm“The notion that Texas was ’stolen’ from Mexico is unsupported by history, seceded from Mexico in 1836. Texas agreed to become part of the U.S. and the Mexican congress approved a resolution on 4 June”
Well, that’s is your true, but remember “Los tratados de Velasco” and you’ll see the real true about this Texas thing, and by the way we are NOT trying to take back any territory…I sad it because perhaps this rumor could cause a new “Bush invansion” to México…
Saludos a todos desde la capital Mexicana !!!
August 21st, 2006 at 10:04 pmPat Buchanan is a nut cake a loose cannon.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:17 pmAlexy
121 says: Does the Mexican government have this as an official plan or is it just a “folk tale†that is turning into reality?
1. Both of the last Mexican presidents have declared that the Mexican Nation extends beyond Mexico’s boundaries and includes all the millions of Americans of Mexican descent. Not just Mexican illegal aliens, but multi-generational M-As.
2. Mexico heavily pushes dual citizenship. Obvious to most, that creates people who have divided loyalties. If there’s a dispute between the U.S. and Mexico, which country are they going to side with?
3. A Mexican government official admitted that one of the goals of a Mexican program designed for Mexican citizens in the U.S. was to keep them Mexican.
There’s much more, so if you want to see just how wrong TP and the Dem Party are, start doing some googling and do your own research. You can also check my site (remove the underscores from lon__ewacko.com) or check out this article:
August 21st, 2006 at 10:29 pmnationalreview.com/comment/comment-fonte032102.shtml
Typical conservative comments, full of fear and blather, afraid to accept that a new America is upon us. People knew that America was changing in the 1970’s. These kind of comments indicate that the conservatives are in the last throws, and that people are tired of their predictions of doom and gloom.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:18 pmFrom kevinott #33 – #
What Buchanan missed is that Canada has entered a secret agreement with Mexico that if a US state does vote to secede and rejoin Mexico and if the US sends in the Alamo Brigade Canada will attack North Dakota and Montana. (don’t laugh we have 6 working tanks and are saving up to buy some ammo for them!!!)
Comment by Kevinott — August 21, 2006 @ 10:29 am
Damn it, Kevinott!! You’ve just given away the secret of our armed forces.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:53 pmActually “Steve” told me that the plan is for Mexico to annex the 7 Southwestern States, then over the next 25 years send immigrant workers in to the West Coast States.
Meanwhile, Canada will annex the Columbia River system, the Prairie States West of Illinois, Cubans will create a new country in Florida, and the Maritimers will re-claim New England.
Sounds like a plan. Almost as plausible as Buckaneer’s or Buchananeer’s or whatever.
[...] I heard they were legalizing certain drugs in Mexico, but what is Pat Buchanan on? Tequila? Peyote? Tie-Stick? I don’t know what it is he’s been experimenting with, but this is quite a trip (via ThinkProgress): Appearing on Imus In the Morning to promote his new book, State of Emergency, Pat Buchanan asserted that the Mexican government has a “direct program†to reannex “the seven states of the American Southwest.†The first step is for Mexico “to push the poor, unemployed, and uneducated into the United States.†He criticized President Bush for not understanding “the nature and character of the invasion†from Mexico. [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 amDoes the name Aztlan mean anything to You? Have you not heard of Tejas a reves? Pobre gringos que tristesa !
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:24 amIf the Israelites have a right to take back land they haven’t seen since 120 AD when the Romans sent them packing, surely the Mexicans have a better claim on land they were booted off of less than two centuries ago. To carry the analogy a little farther, they should assert their divine right, as asserted by some ancient holy book, grab the Bush ranch and send the Bushes to a refugee camp.
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:46 amdo I smell oil? and perhaps another excuse to attack them before they reach our soil? consider Mexico’s oil vs the US thirst and combine that with the greed that is so transparent.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:11 amI FIRMLY AGREE. The Mexican government educates people on how to sneak into the US and has an economic interest in seeing that as many of it’s poor go to work in US and send money home to the Mexican economy. This is also supported by the US Federal government in collusion with various “nonprofit” entities, like the Ford Foundation, which seeks generally to gradually diffuse the US-Mexican border – first into a border “zone” and then a completely merged social fabric and the complete elimination of the border. The economic structs that support this agenda are clearly seen in NAFT and the FTAA. I would differ with Buchanan only in that he didn’t emphasize that this is supported by the “neoliberal” and “free” trade economic theories. Neoliberalism is as failed a philosophy as neconservativism.
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:26 amPats right and he’s wrong.
He’s right that Mexico is colonizing SW US. Its much like the westward migration of Americans in the 19th century.
He’s wrong that this actually a problem. Reasons:
1) The USA will swallow up these “colonists” who over time will become
more and more American.
2) The USA will become more Mexican as elements of their culture are
absorbed.
3) History shows there will be a vicious political backlash that severely limits
the flow of “colonists” in the next 10 years.
I will take a Mexican catholic any day before Hemant, Mohammad, Satish, Jugdish or whatever.
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:08 amIf Mexico spends too much time doing precisely what you are all accusing it of, couldn’t those divided loyalties turn around and bite it in the backside? I mean, think about it thus: No guarantee that those same Mexicans won’t go back home and demand that Mexico be declared a state.
This of course pre-supposes that the average American doesn’t treat the average Mexican like a second class citizen of course.
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:13 amI thought they made a movie about that, my dad thought it was great, it was called I think Viva Max, about how the mexican army planned to reclaim the alamo. I figure that America’s justification for incorporating those states into the US give Mexico as much as a moral claim as anyone. But when Mexico aquired the Southern States, they allowed slavery and the Mexico didn’t. I wonder if the Mexicans will get rid of the reservations. Nahw, compared to living in Mexico, the Res actually is more desireable.
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:30 amPatrick Buchanan may be partially right in these comments. But I do not think it is a conspiracy. Furthermore, Buchanan is beiing a bit disengenuous by not telling the whole story.
Let’s remember, the US did the same thing to Mexico. American immigrants moved into Texas, California, and the rest of the Southwest and conspired to take that region from Mexico and make it a part of the US. The US ended up conquering 50 percent of the land area of Mexico.
What makes anyone think that what the US did to other nations cannot be done to the US? History has a funny way of repeating itself.
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:45 am112 (formerly known as 78): That article you directed is as irrelevant as your comments. If you want to know more about Mexico, you can come to Mexico and know more about this country. But if your idea of visiting Mexico is leaving your fatass where it is and wait for a reannexation, you might as well do that (we wont miss you).
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:34 amThe reason East Coast vacation spots are hiring eastern europeans is so obvious that it’s easy to miss. They are white. Sorry, but it’s the truth. The summer staff directly reflects the population it is serving. I know it isn’t politically correct to point this out, but assuming that a lack of Mexicans is the reason they are trolling for workers from the Ukraine is ridiulous.
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:42 amI really don´t agree with Mr. Buchanan, why, geographically taking, Canada, United States and Mexico are blessed by their position, why, because:
Canada does not have any country towards the north and the possibility that groups of people or any other type of migration happen is almost impossible, towards the east and the west exists the two great oceans, that are difficult to cross. Towards the south this his friend who is then the United States and does not have any problem at all.
The United States, towards the north has Canada that does not have problems with them and towards the south, Mexico, that the problem is the immigration that sees as a threat it for the Americans, but we put the situation geographic first. Towards the east and the West they do not have problem by the oceans which they surround the country.
México, towards the north has to the United States and towards the south it has to Central America, that have immigration problems, but by the east and the west this is surrounded by water. Then so if we were not surrounded Canada, the United States and Mexico by water, we would have some countries surrounding to us, don´t think so; why do you take Mexico like an invader? when by sea (and that is very far), Asians cross illegally and in great amount, what do you think that you say that he is not just like with Mexico? What if China were on one side of United States? A country that has much population, you would be saying is China invading us? they do not have where to go by so extreme geographic situation, towards the north, the south and west, and the east the great Pacific Ocean. Why you do not have immigrants crossing the Atlantic Ocean, because they are European, far better have an economic situation that in other countries, for that reason is no that migration of European people as you see it of the side of the Pacific Ocean. If the United States were contiguous with Africa, I assure you that you would have a immigration of people towards your country, like if they were in South America or Central; understand for once; Mexico is a country by which they pass many people, it is a very great bridge and very easy to cross, to which you say to all of them that they are illegal Mexicans, when it may be that 40% of them are of Central America countries, South American and Asia.
It seems that they do not see the news of the problems although they are few, but the European have similar problems, with as much African and the Middle East people.
I believe that Mr. Buchanan, he has not been able to learn with all its experience that the life has given him, the geographic and political situations of the world. If the economic situation and the policies of many countries were different, I assure you that they wouldn’t have that problem of immigration towards its country. Thanks
P.S. I think the immigration problem likes it to the U.S. because they like the hand of Chinese, Mexicans, Central Americans, Middle East, etc. In other way, they wont be hired anyone.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:19 pmI will take a Mexican catholic any day before Hemant, Mohammad, Satish, Jugdish or whatever.
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I’d rather see more of faiths other than Christian settle here.
I’ve had enough of right- wing Christians trying to muscle their point-of-view into our laws and culture even more than it already is.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:35 pmIf this happens will that make el presendente senior Boosh a Mexican citizen?
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:26 pmPat is absolutely correct. Mexico will eventually rule the US and the US culture will eventually look like mexicos with Many very poor people and a few rich people. Heres the kicker: We are doing it to ourselves! We should seize the assets of people/corporations/managers who employ illegals just like we do the drug dealers.
Let managers for corporations start loosing their personal property and see how quick the problem fixes itself. We won’t need a fence.
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:58 pmClearly this is just an atempt to stir the hornets nest. PB is trying to put the conspiracy theory in the mind of the people in order to create aversion to the current immigrants issue. If any of you have ever lived in Mexico you would find that the great majority of Mexicans who emmigrate would love to have the means and the jobs so that they didn’t have to leave for the US. I am not talking about being rich, or having all the material wealth that one can atain in the US, just having enough to live with dignity would probably do it for the great majority of immigrants. The huge amount of cash that gets sent back to mexican relatives is further proof of this. They come to the US so that they can earn enough to support their families back home. The only agenda is survival as it has been with the majority of immigrants throughout the ages, but I guess survival is boring and not as interesting as “retaking the southwest”.
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:02 pmMéxico conspira para anexionar 7 estados del sur norteamericanos…
Parece un chiste pero Paul Buchanan ha lanzado este FUD por los medios….
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmFor the first time in the history of the city of Los Angeles, L.A. has a Mexican-American mayor.
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:01 pmThe last time this occured, in the mid-1800’s, Mexico still had control of California having assumed it after the fall of the Spanish Empire.
In addition, it is easier now to find Mexican language radio stations dominating the airwaves than English speaking radio stations.
One of the wealthiest individuals in all of L.A., and the largest land owner in the affluent community of Malibu is Jerry Perenchio, a Mexican-American who made his billions providing Spanish language media such as TV & radio.
If you could visualize a time lapse photographic movie of all of the illegal immigrants pouring over the border over the past 30 years and speed it up, you would see a vast army invading the SouthWest.
It’s a moot point about “Who’s land it was and if they deserve it back”.
That’s the way of the world. The Native Americans lost their lands, well, so did the Maori in New Zealand and lots of other folks throughout time & around the world.
It’s what happens.
American has a choice. It can continue to tolerate illegal immigrants for the cheap labor, or it can wake up and look around and ask itself, “What’s happening?”, except it’s so late now in the process, they’ll have to ask, “Que Paso?”
Meanwhile, hundreds, if not thousands of illegal immigrants reside on the periphery of cities, camping in canyons and parks by night and hustling odd jobs by day.
You can vote in Spanish, take your driving test in Spanish, be represented by a Spanish speaking public defender, have your kids school in programs where English is their 2nd language…
Frankly, if you look around, at least in L.A., you’ll see that the annexation has already taken place.
Pat Buchannan would say he is a pedophile homosexual and admit to murdering Jon Benet Ramsey to sell a book.
I guess everyone complaining about immigration must be a native American…….if not you have ZERO right to complain.
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:45 pmJust to respond to some comments made by DLC are frauds and others about the situation and beliefs of Mexican-Americans in Texas. I know many people with spanish accents that were born and raised in Texas. Most working class Mexican-Americans (born citizens and naturalized citizans alike) are very pro USA and proud to be Americans. The only people from Texas you will hear complaining about illegal immigrants are ignorant or rascists (with implied ignorance). The reason for this is Texas has no state income tax, only state sales tax which everyone pays whether you have a job or not. Since our treasury is funded by this sales tax, everyone who lives here (regardless of immigration or employment status) shares the burden of paying for education, health care, and everything else funded from the state coffers. Any illegal immagrant who buys a candy bar or a lottery ticket at a convenience store is contributing to the state treasury. If Americans of German, Italian, or Irish descent can be proud of there heritage and countries of ancestral origin, why can’t Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican or other Latino-Americans be proud of theirs? Is this something we are only uncomfortable with brown people doing?
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:59 pmBush is a traitor. There it is. I’ll say it again: Bush is a traitor. The Constitution says that treason shall consist only of levying war against the United States or in adhering to the U.S.’s enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Whether you consider America’s enemy to be China or Al Qaeda, or both, can any honest person deny that Bush (and his gang) have adhered to China, and given China aid and comfort in its strong efforts to challenge and surpass the United States militarily and economically? Bush’s policies have shifted milions of manufacturing jobs to China and transferrd massive amounts of dangerous technologies to Communist China.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:09 pmAnd while it would be hard to prove that Bush “adhered” to Al Qaeda, Bush and his gang have given Al Qaeda aid and comfort by allowing 9/11 to happen despite plenty of warnings, by not going after Osama bin Laden when our military had him cornered in southern Afghanistan, and by helping bin Laden’s recruiting by killing 100,000 Iraqis for no reason.
Some say that Bush THINKS he’s a super-patriot, and does not have the intent necessary to be guilty of treason. This is false. Remember, neither knowledge of the actual results of his actions nor a conscious desire on Bush’s part to harm the United States are necessary in order to show Bush commited treason. Go read the Constitution.
After 9/11, Bush could have, and should have, deported millions of the 10 million illegal aliens then in the country. Instead, he relaxed border enforcement, and doubled the influx of illegal aliens into America. He didn’t do this immediately, but waited until 2002. Aside from the 2,900 Americans and others killed in the 9/11 attacks by illegal immigrants, at least 7,000 other Americans and legal immigrants have been murdered “ordinary” criminals who are illegal aliens. The exact number is impossible to find, because Bush and his gang WON’T RELEASE THE STATISTICS they have, and won’t demand that all of the 50 states even collect this information on every prisoner who seems to be a foreigner.
And now the 10 million illegal aliens in the U.S. when Bush took office have increased their numbers to 15 million, AND BUSH WANTS TO AMNESTY ALL OF THEM. If this is not treasonous, I don’t know what is.
Feel free to look up any of this. You can verify all of it.
I don’t get the apathy of the American people. in their tolerance for disloyal behavior by Bush and Cheney that should have gotten both of them immpeached and ousted from Washington years ago.
Bush is a traitor.
Buchanan is right on target!
I’m a liberal Democrat – always disgusted by the social positions of Buchanan, but he
is one of the foremost intellectuals on the foreign policy pundit circut -
I hate to say it but I AGREE with him and just bought his book on Amazon!
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:39 amI have posted on this site many times, most recently about that WINGNUT James Dobson – the pedophile weirdo who is rabidly anti-gay
Let be SERIOUS people – SMARTEN UP!! This is a whole different story -
We need to slow or stop immigration to a trickle!!
WHEN did we ever allow ANYONE in here without a SPONSOR in the past – things have got out of control and you better start looking at the MUSLIM immigration to Europe to see that THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE IN STORE – if we don’t PROTECT our borders -
It’s amazing to me to hear LIBERALS spout the tired old “I hate Pat” lines – GET A LIFE – this guy is right and you know it -
Smarten up and use your brains before someone else controls your brain -
THIS IS WHY MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY seems to lose – lets WAKE UP people -
I’m a liberal as the rest of you on social issues and human justice, global warming, and ANTI Iraq war – but you need to WAKE UP about immigration -
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 ambefore you LOSE YOUR COUNTRY.
My ancestors are from Spain, New Spain and Mexico.
We didn’t cross the border, it crossed us.
The US Mexican war was a naked war of aggression and a land grab.
My ancestors were lucky enough not to have their land stolen from them at the barrel of a gun or through unsavory business practices, but many other residents of New Spain/Mexico were not so lucky. The US did not honor the terms of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which honored Spanish and Mexican land grants, and many proud ranchers, farmers and cattlemen were turned into subsistence wage earners within a few years of the war. We still see the direct results of this today.
Part of the reason, besides systemic corruption and an entrenched oligarchy, that Mexico has such a problem employing and taking care of its people, is a direct result of the land theft.
General, and later President Grant, who participated in the US Mexican war as a young soldier wrote:
The US-Mexico War was “one of the most unjust ever waged on a weaker country by a stronger.”
Still, I highly doubt Latino residents of the Southwest would want to rejoin Mexico, as that country is even more rife with corruption and systemic problems than what we have in Washington at this time. It’s far more likely that you will see the California and New Mexico political models replicate themselves as Latinos become a part of the political process there. Half the population of New Mexico is Latino, yet there is not talk of such nonsense as war and succession. New Mexicans are the nicest, most peace-loving people you will ever meet. White supremacists such as Pat Buchanan use this as a divide and conquer strategy.
And might I add, the same arguments against immigrants have been trotted out countless times – against the Chinese, the Irish, the Italians, the Eastern Europeans, etc.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:46 amthis is for SAM.
the problem start whe people like you, CONFUSE America with the united states of america. IT’S NOT THE SAME, and it irritate people of the WHOLE CONTINENT, do you have an idea of what I’m saying? Once said that, you’re right, your country is lost, soon or later the things will returt to their place with or without a reconquista… but let me tell you something man (and I don’t want to sound rude but it’s my real feeling) if I found a way (not belic nor aggressive) to recover what is ours, for sure I will work for it… you’re country even work for the rights of others so then we agree if I say that you’ll do the same right?
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmIf there are any Americans who think Buchanan is all wrong about this issue, just read some of these racist posts people have made here about “white peckerwoods” and about how they are going to take parts of America. Are those people ones you want to associate yourself with? Go do a google search on ‘Aztlan’. See what you learn about it. Look closely at many of the signs and tshirts from the May rally in LA. Read what they say. Buchanan is right.
According to polls, 58% of Mexicans in Mexico think that the southwestern United States STILL belongs to them. Are you prepared to hand it over? Are you that incredibly brainwashed with political correctness that you’d just hand over what your American ancestors fought and died for?
America didn’t have to pay 15M to Mexico and assume the claims of its citizens against Mexico for the land, since it had just whipped the crap out them in the war, and Mexico was in no position to make demands. But America did pay. And chose not to take any more land, although they easily could have. Mexico even shortly afterwords tried to willingly sell us Baja california for 10M. We turned them down. Don’t believe the hype – the southwestern states were sparsely populated until the American settlers created civilization there.
ALL people came out of Africa. ALL people expanded and waged wars over territory. All displaced, murdered, and absorbed other groups. The Aztecs killed earlier people and settled on their land. As did the American Indians. As did the Europeans. As did the Arabs. As did the Asians. Groups who couldn’t (or wouldn’t) defend their land were overcome.
If you won’t stand up and defend your land from invaders intent on capturing it for a foreign government, then you don’t deserve it anyway.
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:56 pmI live in San Diego County. Mr. Buchanan is dead on! Go to any Wal Mart here & all you will hear is Spanish spoken. Our grocery stores announce “specials of the day” in Spanish. All forms and bills are printed in Spanish and English. My tax dollars are spend printing all government forms in Spanish and English.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:16 amThis is America and English is our language. If you are going to live here, learn the language and respect our country!!!
Buchanan is a idiot doesnt understand economics 101, and there over million Americans offically living in Mexico at this moment probadly a few hundered thousand more not offical accounted for. First, Xenophonic rasict Bunchanan would be wise to take a 3 credit course in economics at a local community college. Second, without Mexicans legal or otherwise we would have all the tasty foods and treats in town. Third, open immigration by both sides Mexico and the Untied States would speed up oblivous ecomonic growth in Mexico and Untied States. Finally, comment of Mexico annexing seven states? It wouldnt happen because of the fact immigrats from Mexico are going where they get better wage. Immigrats most cases return to Mexico when they make engonuh money and spread word about how laws and rules work in settling disputes, and they bring home basic idea about freedom, and introduction to common law. In the end, the Countries will exist 100 years from now, but Americans and Mexican be going into other countries for jobs, climate, recreational opponities wages, lifestyle.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:28 amHahahah. closing off the borders and trade your, tacos, teuqilia , meat, cheese, cars, drugs legal or others would all cost more for you!!!
August 25th, 2006 at 4:38 amWhy can’t we just annex Mexico. After all, they’re part of the North American continent. It would make for a tidier world map. And their government is much further along than the U.S. at separating the poor and middle classes from the deserving upper class elites. We could learn a lot from them.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pmPat Buchanan must be on to something. It seems to me all the Marxists-traitors are nervous. You can tell this when they divert the discussion to blame the Christians, Irish, Jews, Bush…That is what fascist do when they are at a loss for words.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:35 pmThe reason Mexico would want to annex the American Southwest is that the infrastructure is already in place; infrastructure they were unable to develop themselves due to low literacy and governmental incompetence and lack of freedom. An annexation would make these elitist bastards much richer then they are today! The elite of most Central and South American politicians are drug-peddling, communist at heart (control freaks). The Islamic Maniac Jihads know this too. Castro once resided in Northern Mexico where he organized and trained for the guerrilla invasion of Cuba that took place in December 1956. Thus, Mexico has been and continues to be a viable avenue for drug smuggling, human trafficing, violent gangs, terroists, and tin-horned dictators. You see, all the Islamic Jehadist needs to do is shave, get a half-assed haircut, learn to speak Lower-Spanish, assume some Mexican sounding name, hang around Walmart; or the welfare office and act like a stupid gang-fairy-boy (or gang-whore just to make it gender fair). Pat Buchanan is not entirly incorrect. I can understand the concern since we really are a war, it just has not yet hit our shores, but it will and so will the military draft if Hilary is swept into office. Bush is avoiding the D word.
Let it be known too, I do not agree with most of the Clinton-Bush Administrations (neocon/paleolib) policies about the war (Iran and Iraq sould be history by now) or about open boarders and NAFTA. The Clinton-Bush NAFTA Super Highway and consentration camps slated for Americans and Mexicans alike (built by tricky Dick “Haliburton†Cheney) is what is dangerous to us all. Corporate Globalists are the ones who actually promote to illegal immagration across the boarders. Doing so helps them to undermine the Trade Unions
and lowering wages for us all. Kinda like Mexico’s economy. There will be no fence, but there will be martial law.
I really cannot blame an individual for wanting a better life for themselves and their families (wherever they may live), however, I do not agree with handing out welfare, free education (which hikes my tuition, not theirs) and not requiring assimulation into the culture (like learning to read and write in English, like most of the world does). I do not agree either with allowing violent Central American gangs to operate unchecked. But I do believe America will win in the end and survive for at least a few hundred years more…but we will have to fight for the right to live and breathe free. Bush is a Globalist not a facsist; a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views is a fascist, Bush does not have that power, since you are allowed to speak and write freely with out going to prison for ten years. Conversely, the dictator Castro does not allow such things and would either kill you or imprison you. What ever became of the little Gonzales boy, anyone seen him in the cane fields latley?
Left-wingers are members of a liberal or radical political party favoring extensive political reform. Right-wingers do not allow for such views with caution. Thus they the left and right are not enemies, just somewhat independent thinkers; I believe we would for the most part defend the America if need be. Having said this why not just annex Mexico; add another thirty-one stars to the flag, better yet, The United States could add the other five countries south of Mexico up to Columbian boarder the fence there would be far cheaper and easier to control.
Trust me you do not want a communist government. Recall history of Stalin, Cultural Revelution, Pol Pot millions of innocent people died at the hands of Marxism ideology. Being protective is not wrong nor is it extreame.
BUCHANAN IS RIGHT!
Illegal Immigration Sparks ‘Race War’ in Cities, Prisons; Hispanic, Black Gangs Battle Amid Shifting Demographics
A war between Hispanic and black prison gangs set off a series of riots across California this year leaving two dead and more than 100 were injured. Pat Buchanan, WND columnist and author of the new best-selling book, “State of Emergency,†sees them as symptoms of out-of-control immigration into the U.S. mainly from Mexico and Central America. “The country club Republicans may not recognize what is happening here, but those in America’s cities do,†he said. “Why are we risking the destruction of our country over this? How many unskilled workers do we need here…
Myths and lies of illegal immigration
Because the pro-illegal alien lobby has a bottomless pit of money and can hire PR people to spin (and fabricate) anything any way, there are an undue number of myths and lies that the public (and many politicians) continue to perpetrate. The FACTS are:
1. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower-labor costs. Again, it’s CEOs and small business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal-alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA? Labor Unions are crying that their membership in decreasing, but yet many of them are Democrats who support amnesty for illegals. Americans need to get it in their head that illegals undermine the progress of unions. It “depresses US wages and displaces US workers!â€
2. Illegal immigration is NOT an environmental problem. In fact, many environmental groups are starting to call attention to illegal aliens because the exploding population is undermining smart, sustainable growth. Illegal aliens contribute to urban sprawl, crowded emergency hospital rooms, overpopulated prisons, squatter camps on the US-Mexican border, and destruction to livestock, wildlife, and National Parks.
3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Many of these crimes are committed against honest, hard-working, middles-class Americans. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work. According to a study by University of Hawaii professor Karen Umemoto, there were 164 Hispanic perpetrators of hate crimes in LA County in 1997, compared to 119 white offenders. Illegals are stealing precious tax dollars, jobs, and social services from American citizens. They are populating our prisons, crowding our schools, running wild in the streets, and using emergency rooms as free health clinics. And the middle-class taxpayer gets the distinctive honor of paying for it ALL. Hispanics are the fastest growing segment of the prison population in southern US border states.
4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won’t do. What jobs won’t Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. – just like we have the past 200 years before “our†government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job; so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers. The American entrepreneurial spirit got our country where it is today. Illegals just underbid and displace American workers. They also depress wages because illegals are willing to live in conditions substandard to that of the US. It’s not unusual for a residential garage to be crammed with 4-5 grown adults sleeping in it.
5. Illegal aliens absolutely do NOT contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren’t contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. The American middle class is picking up the bill. Some bargain, eh?
6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer. Many of them also subvert our culture by filling frivolous lawsuits, not assimilating to our culture, and demanding more social services that their own corrupt country fails to provide them in the first place.
7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods/services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa’s “How Much Is That Tomato?†The study concludes that since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing / storage costs, grocers’ profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter … hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.
8. It is NOT racist to call these people “illegal aliens.†In fact, “illegal aliens†is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals (and they ARE criminals) who come into our country illegally. They are not “mere†immigrants, not undocumented immigrants, not migrant workers, and not day laborers – they’re ILLEGAL ALIENS. Burglars are not uninvited houseguests. Car-jackers not are under-rated drivers. Bank robbers are not making unauthorized withdrawals. Pickpockets are not just borrowing a little cash. Drunk drivers are not just a little tipsy. They need to get at the end of the line and wait their turn just like everybody else. And they need to do it LEGALLY! Americans value immigration and we make no distinction of race. Instead, we make a clear distinction of LEGAL and ILLEGAL! There is a fundamental difference here.
9. Mexico is NOT a poor country. It has the fifth richest economy in the world, and by unloading its poverty problems on American soil their economic status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of the USA subsidize Mexico’s corruption, incompetence, and negligence? The greatest criticism should be levied at the Mexican government for not taking care of it’s own people. Mexicans bail their own country like a sinking ship. And it’s not the job of American politicians to solve Mexico’s corruption, incompetence, and negligent problems. And even with their resources, Latin America still underperforms on the international market compared to Asia and Europe.
August 28th, 2006 at 12:15 amConsidering That we are currently engaged in ‘war’ but not really as far as Israel and Plaestine are concerned regarding land beleived to belong to one group….but taken and given to another…..how is it that the defending of Israel regarding ‘land that doesn’t belong to them’….why wouldn’t any other country or group whose land has been ‘taken’ from them (whether we call it legal/legit or not) why wouldn’t they come for their land when others are allowed to reclaim what is theirs.
If we don’t stop thinking about these issues solely as Americans, than how can we resolve anything. If you are wronged (hypothetically of course) and you act in a manner that coicides with your wrong….how can you say that another person/country can’t react in a similar manner….Just because they are not American.
This is why we are looked down upon in most of the world. We as a coutry take a very f’d up attitude at everyone. Remember when your mom/dad used to say “Do as I say not as I do!” Well that didn’t work to raise this generation…how they hell can it work to control the entire world. We teach and say we spread free thought and speech….so long as you don’t question our actions, theories, methods, or beliefs.
DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU
August 28th, 2006 at 12:51 pmI learned this in Kindergarten
Pat is a courages man for stating these thruth’s! It is true, it is true, it is true! I have personally seen and heard this sentiment comming from hispanic people.
August 28th, 2006 at 7:32 pmThis is not to say that their are no good people here of hispanic descent. Just the 60% of them who feel a sense of entitlement to our American South West should go back!
Pat Buchanan saw this coming and expressed as
August 29th, 2006 at 2:47 ammuch in his books.Now his worst fears are
realised and even though he is right the hollow accusations
of what history will call “useful fools” still tilt at his windmill of alarms.
It’s all about coming to the USA legally and becoming a true
American !
Got to applaud the trenchantly-drawn parallels between Zionism and Aztlan-centered “reconquista” efforts. Let’s examine some of the similarities:
1. As with the Jews of the nineteenth century, Mexicans have no sovereign country of their own. Oh, wait.
2. Mexicans, in their countries of birth, routinely endure massacres and legal discrimination, and have no way of mounting a collective defensive effort against the people that decide that killing them will provide a convenient way to achieve national unity. Oh, wait.
3. In a startling analogue to Jewish history, the Anasazi brutally expelled the Azteca from their legendary homeland, Aztlan, condemning them to wander, stateless and yearning to return, until now. Fortunately, we can confirm Aztlan’s existence, and can locate its precise position through a rich archeological record. Oh, wait.
4. Like Zionists, Mexicans arrive in an impoverished region, virtually devoid of natural resources and governed under a distant empire’s millet-sanctioned feudalism. Through their efforts, however, democracy has replaced feudalism, and the “native” Caucasians have seen their incomes, freedoms, and life-expectancies soar beyond those of their compatriots in the Caucasian World. Oh, wait.
5. Regrettably, of course, and as with all great movements of people, this Mexican migration has seen its opponents. Caucasians claiming to have descended from the American Southwest’s aboriginal peoples, and maintaining that they represent the ancient “Californian Nation” routinely call for the extermination of Mexicans, and of their allies around the world. Leaders spar publically over whether to demand an independent Californian State with Tijuana as its capital, or to press for a one-state solution, incorporating all of Mexico into a single multi-ethnic state.
Zionism does not lend credence to Aztlan; Aztlan does not discredit Zionism.
August 29th, 2006 at 6:01 amMexicans can, do, and will make valuable contributions to this civilization, but one is comfortably within the bounds of propriety in holding that Mexican territorial expansion – whether the effort really exists on a large scale or not – is not desirable, is not easily justifiable, and does not emerge from a comparison to Zionism in a favorable light.
Why does the media not condemn La Raza, which translates into “The Race?” Can you imagine if a White group was called The Race? The media condemnation would be unending.
August 29th, 2006 at 7:11 pmYes, the media would have a field day. It would appear that only white people can be racist. BULL#$%^! I am discriminated against by these people almost on a daily basis. They are the racist’s!
August 30th, 2006 at 3:36 amMany of them are eating up the nonsense that the radical hispanic groups are spewing out, that they have a right to be here, that this land is theirs. Makes it bad for the good Mexicans who are grateful to America.
All of you mexicans, please re annexe Texas when George Bush is visiting. Good riddance
August 30th, 2006 at 5:05 amIf they want those states back so bad, why do they have to migrate further north? It’s almost gotten to the point that they are a plague on society. Look around us. You can’t go through one day without seeing one aspect of your day that has been “mexicanized” (i.e. menu selection at restaurants, ATM’s, advertisements, television). It’s rediculous. I’m not even going to get into the way they suck the benefits put forth for hard working american citizens right out from under us. If they want “their land” back so bad, let them take it along with all those aliens who have come up to leech off society!
September 1st, 2006 at 12:01 am[...] Pat Buchanan: Un escritor norteamericano asegura que el gobierno de México tiene un plan para reanexar siete estados del sur de Estados Unidos. Lo dice en serio. [...]
September 1st, 2006 at 4:13 am#211
September 1st, 2006 at 12:26 pmSPEAK ENGLISH YOU STUPID IDIOT! THIS IS AMERICA!
I WAS JUST TOLD BY A NON-AMERICAN (AFTER CUTTING ME OFF THE ROAD) “WE ARE TAKING OVER THIS COUNTRY!
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:54 pmTHIS IS NOT AN UNCOMMON MINDSET FOR TODAY’S FOREIGNERS, TAKE, TAKE, TAKE, AND HATE THE COUNTRY THAT IS PROVIDING FOR THEM.
DEPORT MOST OF THEM NOW!
As somebody who served on Pat Buchanan’s 2000 campaign steering committee for the state of Minnesota, and who has met Pat several times, I hate to have to disagree with him. I have switched my position on immigration control, given the fact that the real threat comes from politicians, not immigrants. Immigrants are the new scapegoat, the new weapon of mass distraction.
What scares me is the idea of building a wall along the border, or increasing federal agents at the border. Why should we believe that would be for anything other than travel restrictions on the American people? Travel restrictions are the hallmark of repressive regimes, and we already have things such as the no-fly list. Who is the no-fly list for? Terrorists? Ha! A known terrorist would be arrested, not told they can’t fly.
Say, for example, you owe the IRS money. Good luck getting outside of the U.S.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:10 am#214
September 4th, 2006 at 11:04 pmWith all due respect, their is nothing repressive about guarding and protecting one’e border’s.
Regarding the no fly list, you have a good point.
Geez, I’m beginning to feel us Texans aren’t liked very much.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:02 amIs it because we sell Texas-shaped tortilla chips? … I was wondering if any other state made as many different products in the shape of their state as Texas does.
I love Texas! I love Texas shaped tortilla chips too. Texas is a great part of America, with a rich history of American bravery.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:40 pmi stand 2 ways on this. first, i think that immigration could be harmful to us, because we wind up having to pay for them out of our tax money and we have to increase tax dollars to support them. also, their living conditions are very bad, and they take up a lot of space in the US without having to pay for anything.
i also feel like mexicans should be allowed to come over because they do the work most of us wont, like picking fruit or vegetables, or working in factories and doing the manual labor. personally, i think they are better than the people who sit around at home and do nothing other than live off of well far, which WE pay for without contributing anything to society
October 19th, 2006 at 12:39 pm[...] read more digg story [...]
November 25th, 2006 at 7:31 pmUS theft of Mexican territory
Did you know that until 1848 California, New Mexico and other portions of the Southwest were internationally recognized provinces of free Mexico, until the U.S. decided it wanted those provinces, declared war on Mexico, and stole them? Read on for the chronology of these events, and then ask yourself : “Who are the real illegal in California?”
Prior to 1822 What is today Mexico, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, and California are all Spanish colonies.
1822 Mexican colonists, following the American revolution, rebel against Spain and win their own revolutionary war, making Mexico a free nation just like America.
1844 James Polk campaigns for the U.S. presidency, supporting expansion of U.S. territories into Mexico.
February, 1845 James Polk, on his inagauguration night, confides to his Secretary of the Navy that a principal objective of his presidency is the acquisition of California, which Mexico had been refusing to sell to the U.S. at any price.
Early 1845 The Washington Union, expressing the position of James Polk, writes: “…who can arrest the torrent that will pour onward to the West? The road to California will be open to us. Who will stay the march…?” “A corps of properly organized volunteers…would invade, overrun, and occupy Mexico. They would enable us not only to take California, but to keep it.”
Early 1845 John O’Sullivan, editor of the Democratic review writes it is “Our manifest destiny to overspread the continent …for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions.”
Early 1845 James Polk promises Texas he will support moving the historical Texas/Mexico border at the Nueces river 150 miles south to the Rio Grande provided Texas agrees to join the union. “The traditional border between Texas and Mexico had been the Nueces River…and both the United States and Mexico had recognized that as the border.” (Zinn, p. 148)
June 30, 1845 James Polk orders troops to march south of the traditional Texas/Mexico border into Mexican inhabited territory, causing Mexicans to flee their villages and abandon their crops in terror.
“Ordering troops to the Rio Grande, into territory inhabited by Mexicans, was clearly a provocation.” (Zinn, p. 148)
“President Polk had incited war by sending American soldiers into what was disputed territory, historically controlled and inhabited by Mexicans.” (John Schroeder , “Mr. Polk’s War”)
Early 1846 Colonel Hitchcock, commander of the 3rd Infantry regiment, writes in his diary: “…the United States are the aggressors….We have not one particle of right to be here….It looks as if the government sent a small force on purpose to bring on a war, so as to have a pretext for taking California and as much of this country as it chooses….My heart is not in this business.”
May 9, 1846 President Polk tells his cabinet: “…up to this time…we have heard of no open aggression by the Mexican Army.”
May 10, 1846 Violence erupts between Mexican and American troops south of the Nueces River. Of course Polk claims Mexicans had fired the first shot, but in his famous “spot resolutions” congressman Abraham Lincoln repeatedly challenges president Polk to name the exact “spot” where Mexicans first attacked American troops. Polk never met the challenge.
May 11, 1846 President Polk urges congress to declare war on Mexico.
May 12, 1846 : Horace Greeley writes in the New York Tribune: “We can easily defeat the armies of Mexico, slaughter them by thousands, and pursue them perhaps to their capital; we can conquer and “annex” their territory; but what then? Who believes that a score of victories over Mexico, the “annexation” of half of her provinces, will give us more Liberty, a purer Morality, a more prosperous Industry…?
1846 Congressman Abraham Lincoln, speaking in a session of congress “…the president unnecessarily and unconstitutionally commenced a war with Mexico….The marching an army into the midst of a peaceful Mexican settlement, frightening the inhabitants away, leaving their growing crops and other property to destruction, to you may appear a perfectly amiable, peaceful, un- provoking procedure; but it does not appear so to us.”
after war is underway, the American press comments:
February 11, 1847. The “Congressional Globe” reports: “…We must march from ocean to ocean….We must march from Texas straight to the Pacific ocean….It is the destiny of the white race, it is the destiny of the Anglo-Saxon Race.”
The New York Herald: “The universal Yankee Nation can regenerate and disenthrall the people of Mexico in a few years; and we believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country.”
American Review writes of Mexicans “yielding to a superior population, insensibly oozing into her territories, changing her customs, and out-living, exterminating her weaker blood.”
1846-1848 U.S. Army battles Mexico, not just enforcing the new Texas border at the Rio Grande but capturing Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, and California (as well as marching as far south as Mexico City).
1848 Mexico surrenders on U.S. terms (U.S. takes over ownership of New Mexico, California, an expanded Texas, and more, for a token payment of $15 million, which leads the Whig Intelligencer to report: “We take nothing by conquest….Thank God”).
(date unknown) General Ulysses S. Grant calls the Mexican War “the most unjust war ever undertaken by a stronger nation against a weaker one.”
Primary Source: “We take nothing by conquest, Thank God”, in A People’s History Of the United States, 1492-Present, Howard Zinn, NY: HarperCollins Publishers, Inc. (This book is available on the shelf at virtually every bookstore in America. The New York Times Book Review says it “…should be required reading for a new generation of students….” )
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/guadalu3.htm
December 3rd, 2006 at 6:43 pm[...] Mexico wants Texas back, no problem…take it! [...]
December 11th, 2006 at 7:33 pmI’M a Mexican-born Mech. Engineer living in the USA.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:19 pmMexico is Getting much culture from the U.S….This country also has lots of mexican cultural elements in society. I don’t see much bad with that.
In my hometown in Christmas time or other regional festivities, many white “gringos” arrieve to spend a week or so with their mexican husband’s/wive’s relatives, yes, INTERMERIAGE, so what?
They are welcomed. In California, I have white, mexican, black, asian friends; not to mention a white grilfriend, anyway… Something wrong with that? Hell no!
man
January 7th, 2007 at 9:57 pmthats some bull shit
i hope bush blows there yelllow belly butts up
that yellow belly ahead of me can suck mine
January 7th, 2007 at 9:58 pm