Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11
Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11
President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda†and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,†Bush defiantly answered. Watch it.
To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.â€
As ThinkProgress has repeatedly documented, Vice President Cheney cited “evidence†cooked up by Douglas Feith and others to claim it was “pretty well confirmed†that Iraq had contacts with 9/11 hijackers.
More generally, in the lead-up to the war in Iraq, the administration encouraged the false impression that Saddam had a role in 9/11. Bush never stated then, as he does now, that Iraq had “nothing†to do with 9/11. Only after the Iraq war began did Bush candidly acknowledge that Iraq was not operationally linked to 9/11.
Full transcript:
BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.
QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?
BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?
QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.
BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.
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Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:04 pmThe lying sack o’ crap! Why haven’t we nuked N. Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Syria and the hoboes from Hackensack then?
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Just goes to show that when you start lying, it gets so damn hard to keep your lies straight. Doesn’t it, Mr. President?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:07 pmhe said “no one has said Iraq gave the order for the attacks of Sept. 11th” which is technically true, if I recall. They have said there was contact, they have said there was assistance, but they never said that Iraq gave the order. Come to think of it, this is just another of Bush’s strawmen: no one has suggested that the administration has said that Iraq gave the order… tricky words… I guess the focus should be on the simple phrase “what did Iraq have to do with 9/11: Nothing…” ’nuff said
August 21st, 2006 at 12:08 pmthe lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize
So we should invade everyone. After this administration everyone is going to hate us…so I say attack the world continent by continent. We can claim we are there to liberate our peoples since the US has citizens from every country in the world. All bush has to do is grow a little mustache.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:09 pmDo you think anyone is paying attention? The media blows and certainly will not explain what has transpired to the average person.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:10 pmZogby poll, feb 28, 2006:
90 (that’s ninety) percent of US troops in iraq think they are there in ‘retaliation for saddams role in 9-11′
1. hey chimpy - didn’t they get the memo?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:11 pm2. shall you tell the or shall I?
3. who do you ask to be last to die for a mistake?
There it is.
Chimpy just contradicted himself. Either he was lying t hen, or he’s lying now.
WHAT ELSE DOES HE HAVE TO DO BEFORE HE AND THE REST OF HIS BLOODTHIRSTY CABAL GET A) IMPEACHED, B) TRIED FOR TREASON, C) CONVICTED OF TREASON, AND D)SHOT FOR TREASON???
I said it before, and I’ll say it again, the impeachment and execution for treason of the neocon fascists who are destroying this country and this planet is absolutely essential. Any less will just exacerbate the damage already done.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pmBush’s mentor:
August 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pm“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.â€
Joseph Goebbels
Is this part of Mehlman’s newly announced “adapt to win” strategy?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pmmroom-
Correct. Modify the propaganda in small steps. It’s been that way all along. Assholes.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pmWow! What a flip-flopper. It’s shameful but I Love it when he begins to lose it like that. This administration has been peddling the Myth that IRAQ was connected to 9/11 since 9/11/2001.
Yes, Saddam is insane and Evil. Is this situation better?? GHW Bush thought Stability was more important than this “Freedom”. IMO, he was right.
“The DLC are Frauds”, It’s a struggle but I think we get it. You don’t like the DNC.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pmCould you beat your point home a little more? Say Double Posts back to Back?
Kidding!
How many more of our children will need to die in the searing heat and drying sands of Iraq before this frat-boy fool of a pResident is arrested and hauled up before a judge?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmNobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmLying SOB’s the whole bunch.
Wolfowitz & Feith should be charged with treason, to start with. The rest should be sent
to Iraq to patrol Sadr City. Then we’ll see ‘Freedom on the March’. Or, more likely, ‘Freedom on the Run’.
Chickenhawks, Chickenshits and flapping lips. (A song’s in there, somewhere.)
This is the biggest load of sh** in a long time. Anyone here can see that, but what about the rest of the people? Oh, yeah: They’re all focused on JonBenet now, so this will be just fine.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmYou don’t say; now he tell’s us.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:18 pmWoops… can I change that to “no comment?”
You can tell he realizes his f-up because he starts stuttering afterwards. Nice!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pm18. Oops, I guess I was wrong.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pmWow! What a flip-flopper. It’s shameful but I Love it when he begins to lose it like that. This administration has been peddling the Myth that IRAQ was connected to 9/11 since 9/11/2001.
Yes, Saddam is insane and Evil. Is this situation better?? GHW Bush thought Stability was more important than this “Freedomâ€. IMO, he was right.
“The DLC are Fraudsâ€, It’s a struggle but I think we get it. You don’t like the DNC.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:20 pmCould you beat your point home a little more? Say Double Posts back to Back?
Kidding!
“the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize,”
I nearly gaged on that line. Too bad he didn’t learn that lesson BEFORE 9/11, considering he was warned about it.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:21 pmBush’s handlers are losing their grip on the guy. Just about anything can happen now.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:23 pmThe lesson of 9/11 is to track down THOSE RESPONSIBLE and deal with them. What part of that has escaped these criminal morons? Oh, just about all of it.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:23 pmWHERE THE F**K IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY?….UH? are they all deaf and blind? or just corrupt to the bone?
Comment by Sandy
I could speculate and suggest that law enforcement you speak of, ie., the Attorney General of the United States Gonzales, is firmly in control of the governement, a governement at present whose all three branches is controlled by the Republican Party.
Just an opinion, of course.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:25 pmI can’t believe this:
Comon….this whole F**king war was marketed as payback for 9/11, and the Iraq link to Al-Qaeda and 9/11 was used, and still being used by Rumsfeld to this day, to justify the war.
I mean, just a couple of months ago, when Rumsfeld was called out, and asked “why he lied and led us to war” he said that Zarqawi was in Baghdad.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:27 pmLet me repost without my poor grammar:
I could speculate and suggest that law enforcement you speak of, ie., the Attorney General of the United States, is firmly in control of the government, a government whose all three branches are controlled by the Republican Party.
Just an opinion, of course.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:29 pmSD,
August 21st, 2006 at 12:30 pmDo you find it logical that John Conyers and afterdowningstreet.org would run the HR 635 on Air America and NOT run it on prime time TV?
“The question of the president’s possible criminal acts has long been the pig in the parlor that polite people in Congress refused to acknowledge.” Jonathen Truley, G.Washington Univ.
Well said, ‘the pig in the parlor’.
Notice how our smiley AG never even considers criminality, & he’s our ‘top’ lawyer!
Bush broke the law.
Bush will pay a price.
Bush is the PIG IN THE PARLOR.
Spying on Americans is treasonous.
Bush is the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
Bush has committed war crimes.
Alberto, where the f*ck did you get a degree in law, Texas?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:31 pmInteresting how deathly quiet the standard trolls have become….methinks they don’t dare touch this one.
Seixon? Chase? NEOCON? Jason? Randy? Anyone?
C’mon….I wanna see you try to BS your way outta this one.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:31 pmI like how he speaks as if he’s gonna tell us all just how things are gonna be.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:33 pmThis MF is crazy as hell and getting worse.
He’ll start bombing his own country soon.
Mainly the areas that he sees that are ‘blue’ on his coloring book.
Tablogoid at #9: Right on! One wonders why the American and British people have taken so long in seeing the ruin Neoconservative policies bring. Preemptive war and regime change in the name of (supposedly) “spreading democracy†is propaganda, imperial, fascist, stupid and a lie. Spreading democracy, indeed! Our liberal democracies could never spawn totalitarian oligarchies? Remember the Weimar in ’33?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pmProbably Italy!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pmcheney/rove need to undercut the Dem’s ability to claim that the repubs got us into a war by lying. To do that they will move to the “Of course, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, who said it did?” tatic. This is just a Dem effort to smear peace loving and democracy promotiong repubs. Voters….don’t believe them, believe us. Given the limited attention span of most Americans, they will buy it and ask when we’ll nuke Iran!
This tactic has worked before, they lie in order to “confuse” the the issue enough so that those who need and/or want to keep bush/cheney/rove in power for their purposes (Anti-Abortion/big filthy businesses/anti-gay/prayer in school/pay less taxes/etc.) can justify continued support of immoral bush/cheney/rove.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:38 pmBush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11
Correct me if I’m wrong, but does that mean we have come full circle at last? I mean what’s next? A renewed search for WMD’s?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:38 pmBush is guilty of lying because he didn’t use the Patented Cheney “If you will” disclaimer to all his threats/lies.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmFinally, a post that I’d want to “Digg!”, and there’s no link!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmIt was no accident that bush has to change the meme to include the word ‘ordered’.
Saddam didn’t ‘order’ 911, and bush never said he did.
Sad a President has to resort to message board strawmen arguements.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmSOMEONE TOOK THEIR WHEATIES TODAY!!!!!
Why the sudden defiance in his voice???
Why the defense posturing????
Is an incriminating news item about to be exposed this week and Rove is trying to get ahead of it???
I really think these two stories are the reason
It seems we have lost our final ally, Britain, in GWB Great Big Middle Eastern Adventure…….
BLAIR ‘betrayed” by Bush during Isreal/Lebanon conflict:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ pages/ live/ articles/ news/ news.html?in_article_id=401414&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=
BRITISH INTELLIGENCE TELLS CIA TO STOP LEAKING BRITISH INTEL:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001380.php
August 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pmESS DEE (”DNC Are Frauds”?) Evil of you to Double Post me!
;)
Back on Topic: You mean the proposal to Impeach Bush? By prime time TV, would that be the same prime time TV that pretty much ignored the Court Decision that declared the so called “Terrorist Surveillance Program” Illegal?
That prime time TV? The Mass Media shows what ever gets people to Watch. That’s why MS NBC keeps parading Ann Coulter in Mock disgust. They didn’t cover that bill for the same reason.
Do you find it Logical that prime time TV didn’t hold Cheney or GW to task when he flip flopped their propaganda as GW did today? Bet Tony Snow “Clarifies” the presidents words later on.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:42 pmFor lying then, and lying about it now:
Impeach ‘im.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:43 pmThat’ll teach ‘im.
So we come back to what John Dean suggested in Worse Than Watergate: the letter to congress may well provide grounds for impeachment. The letter required a statement about the relevance of the war to 9/11. Bush admits Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. He lied in the letter to congress.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:44 pmDean is right.
Comment by S.D. — August 21, 2006 @ 12:42 pm
Democrats need to buy balanced TV coverage and stop dumping money into loser Busby campaigns.
I ordered 2 Kerry/Edwards stickers from their website. They never came. Still waiting. Here in Texas…
Could you imagine if Bush were elected twice without the popular vote?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:50 pmChildren of Abraham - Death in the Desert
a must see - but…Warning: there are graphic photographs in this movie which are not suitable for children or those of a sensitive nature.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:51 pmThe lies just keep on coming now wait for Cheney to say it was Harry Potter and his magic that took the weapons. People wake up Bush is giving 230 millions dollars to Lebanon for rebuilding from the attack by Israel who knows what the US will give Israel for their rebuilding. Does our government help with rebuilding in the United States as what about the Gulf Coast. Maybe we should ask Iran to help with the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast as they are raising the price of oil because Bush is preparing to attack them. Lieberman wants Rummy’s job as promised by Bush as the two kissed. Bush wont leave office as he thinks he’s the King. What the hell is happening to our country and why are Americans not standing up to stop it. Anyone ever heard of the word IMPEACH. I know Bush is still reading the book My Pet Goat but someone should tell him that America was built because we got about from King George rule. Blair got big bucks from this Administration to lap dog Bush so he learned like other GOP officials Bush and team will stab you in the back when they don’t need you anymore. Great lesson to teach our youth. Now let’s see in 5 years Bush has taught Americans to lie, cheat, steal, torture, use God’s name for evil, back stab your friends, have an affair with the Secretary of State, appoint idiots who are unqualified friends and let our troops die based on lies and greed for oil. Now that’s great for the history of America. If you don’t like it do something about it, IMPEACH BUSH.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:53 pm[…] Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 […]
August 21st, 2006 at 12:54 pmNice link lib4… I particularly liked this little tid bit…
The source said: “We all feel badly let down by Bush. We thought we had persuaded him to take the Israel-Palestine situation seriously, but we were wrong. How can anyone have faith in a man of such low intellect?”
Good F#@king Question!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:54 pmThey Attacked us on 9/11…WMDS etc. etc. Finally we hear it from the horses mouth…. Could SOMEONE HANG THIS ASSHOLE FOR TREASON!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:57 pmThis admission is a direct result of Bush’s getting ‘lawyered up’ recently in preparation for any impeachment or war crimes prosecution in the near future. He’ll come clean in small doses and pretend there was never any attempt to mislead the citizenry.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:57 pmBUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of ..
What do you suppose he started to say here, and changed his mind?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:58 pmOf course the MSM isn’t picking up on this. All the headlines I’ve seen make no mention of it, only that Bush is pledging money to help Lebanon and asking for more international help.
His actions, body language and speech patterns are getting more and more erratic. He looks close to a meltdown.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:59 pmWhat does Occam’s Razor tell you about the ODDS that NORAD would be running a series of drills on the morning of 9/11 designed specifically to simulate an attack against America involving hijacked planes flown into buildings?
What does Occam’s Razor tell you about FEMA having been prepositioned in New York for the drill - which commenced at the same moment the first tower was struck?
What does Occam’s Razor tell you about the warning sent to Israeli Nationals two hours before the first plane struck?
Ignoring everything you have seen and heard to brainwash you to the contrary in its aftermath, what are the odds that a man in a cave could beat all of the defenses of the United States of America by coincidentally timing his attack to coincide with a total shut down of NORAD?
Occam’s razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or “shaving off”, those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.
Pieces of aircraft were scattered over a five mile area in Pennsylvania.
WTC 7 - though untouched by an aircraft, fell directly into its own footprint less than two hours after its owner ordered the fire department to pull back from the structure in order to “pull it.”
5 Israeli Mossad Agents with explosives expertise were arrested for filming the destruction of the twin towers. Their film has never been made public. They failed seven polygraph tests. They were quietly deported to Israel.
Norm Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission that he personally witnessed Cheney commanding one of his subordinates in the bunker on the morning of 9/11 to allow the approaching aircraft to strike the Pentagon uncontested.
The manuevers made by the planes that struck both the Pentagon and the second WTC tower could not possibly have been made by any first time pilot - according to aviation experts.
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August 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pm#63
Obviously the phrase was going to be “Nothing, Except it’s part of the War on Terror”.
But somehow, one of his aides got to him and reminded him that he needed to start distancing himself from the Saddam/911 connection his administration was making.
Which is why he’s using the carefully chosen, ‘Iraq didn’t ORDER 911′.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pm.
Kay Griggs, Former Marine Colonel’s Wife, Talks Again About Military Assassin Squads, Drug Running, Illegal Weapon Deals And Sexual Perversion Deep Within The Highest Levels Of U.S. Military And Government
2005 07 26
http://www.red-ice.net/ specialreports/ 2005/ 07jul/ kgriggs.html
“I know that there was a war game going on via Tampa, I think it was called Bright Star, which was being run on 9/11 by a weird and insecure USMC General who was in charge while the Army head was conveniently away in the Near East.
Sept. 1-10 2001 - In an exercise, called Operation “Swift Sword” and planned for four years, 23,000 British troops are steaming toward Oman. Although the 9-11 attacks caused a hiccup in the deployment, the massive operation was implemented as planned. At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation “Bright Star.” All of these forces are in place before the first plane hits the WTC. [Sources: The Guardian; CNN; Fox; The Observer; International Law Professor Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois.]
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html
Sept. 11, 2001 - Gen. Mahmud of the ISI (see #16), friend of Mohammed Atta, is visiting Washington on behalf of the Taliban. He is meeting with the Chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., and Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., [Source: MSNBC, Oct. 7, 2001; The New York Times, Feb. 17, 2002]
Sept. 11, 2001 - Employees of Odigo, Inc. in Israel, one of the world’s largest instant messaging companies with offices in New York, receive threat warnings of an imminent attack on the WTC less than two hours before the first plane hits. Law enforcement authorities have gone silent about any investigation of this. The Odigo research and development offices in Israel are located in the city of Herzliyya, a ritzy suburb of Tel Aviv that is the same location as the Institute for Counter Terrorism, which eight days later reports details of insider trading on 9-11. [Source: CNN’s Daniel Sieberg, Sept. 28, 2001; MSNBC Newsbytes, Brian McWilliams, Sept. 27, 2001; Ha’aretz, Sept. 26, 2001]
Sept. 11-12, 2001 - Nearly a month before the first reported outbreak, White House officials start taking the powerful antibiotic Cipro to treat anthrax. By the end of the year it will be known that the Ames strain of anthrax used in the attacks against Sens. Leahy and Daschle was produced by CIA programs coordinated through Fort Detrick, the Batelle Memorial Institute and the Dugway Proving Ground. [Source: NBC; CNN; http://www.tetrahedron.org, http://www.judicialwatch.org
Oct. 10, 2001 - The Pakistani newspaper The Frontier Post reports that U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain has paid a call on the Pakistani oil minister. A previously abandoned Unocal gas pipeline project from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to Pakistan is now back on the table “in view of recent geopolitical developments.”
Nov. 25, 2001 - The Observer runs a story headlined “Victorious Warlords Set To Open the Opium Floodgates.” It states that farmers are being encouraged by warlords allied with the victorious Americans are “being encouraged to plant as much opium as possible.”
June 14, 2002 - Common Dreams website publishes an account from a former member of the 1/118th Infantry Battalion of the South Carolina National Guard: “My unit reported for drill in July 2001 and we were suddenly and unexpectedly informed that all activities planned for the next two months would be suspended in order to prepare for a mobilization exercise to be held on Sept. 14, 2001. We worked diligently for two weekends and even came in on an unscheduled day in August to prepare for the exercise. By the end of August all we needed was a phone call, which we were to expect, and we could hop into a fully prepared convoy with our bags and equipment packed.” [Source: Common Dreams, http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0614-02.htm
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August 21st, 2006 at 1:02 pmBush telling the truth now in the hopes that by election time in November all will be forgotten and forgiven.
Dont let it happen!
August 21st, 2006 at 1:07 pmPlunger, here:
http://www.blogger.com
go, knock yourself out.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:07 pmAny of you works in the media?
Comment by Sandy
No. Would writing articles for a union newsletter count?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:09 pmFor those of you who actually believe that Bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attacks, the FBI Most Wanted web site disagrees with you, and so does Wikipedia:
“The FBI does not yet have ‘hard evidence’ linking him to the 9/11 attacks and so as of 2006 he has only been indicted on the embassy murders; he is officially still only a suspect in ‘other terrorist attacks throughout the world’.”
http://www.fbi.gov/ wanted/ topten/ fugitives/ laden.htm
To each of you - go ahead, tell me again about the one where Osama Bin Laden attacked America on 9/11.
Anybody?
Anybody?
Have you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
BECAUSE IT’S FAKE!
BIN LADEN DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9/11.
HE DOES NOT EXIST.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pmI don’t understand how some of you are saying bush is finally telling the truth, when he mumbles something about Saddam ‘ordering’ 911.
Saddam ‘ordering’ 911 was NEVER the question…Saddam merely being connected to it was the problem.
This isn’t truth from bush, it’s more obfuscation and plausible deniabilty.
Anyone falling for today’s ‘bush truth’ needs to be slapped, including any talking heads that give bush a pass on it.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:13 pmOff topic - but OMG — Army of God PJ’s
this is not a joke….
August 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pmInteresting how deathly quiet the standard trolls have become….methinks they don’t dare touch this one.
Seixon? Chase? NEOCON? Jason? Randy? Anyone?
C’mon….I wanna see you try to BS your way outta this one.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
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Magical thinking.If they don’t address it,it didn’t happen.
That kind of thinking helps support their world-view.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pmLiberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence;
Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear.
- William Gladstone
this says it all…
August 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pmHey Chimpy…whats YOUR defenition of DISASTER?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm.
Dick Cheney.
Cheney was initially taken by the secret service to an underground bunker in the White House called the Presidential Emergency Operations Center.
From there, according to CNN, Cheney directed the US government’s response to the unfolding attack.
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta was in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as Flight 77 approached Washington, D.C. On May 23, 2003 in front of the 9/11 Commission, Secretary Mineta testified:
“During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, “The plane is 50 miles out.” “The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the Vice President, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”
As the plane in question hit the Pentagon, what else can we conclude but that the ‘order’ was not to shoot down the aircraft and to let it find its target.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ articles/ september2004/ 080904wargamescover.htm
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August 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pmplunger sez:
Actually, plunger, the manuevers made by both the aircraft that struck the Pentagon and the aircraft that struck WTC2 could not have been made by ANY PILOT.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pmTo each of you - go ahead, tell me again about the one where Osama Bin Laden attacked America on 9/11….Have you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
Comment by plunger
I knew it!!! I always suspected that picture was really one of PeeWee Herman, doctored up to look like some asshole. And that explains what why that little sicko disappeared from the tabloids so suddenly.
I also suspect that bin Laden’s second in command, the one with the birdshit on his forehead, is really Mikhail Gorbachev.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:22 pm#85, I’m sure Georgie puts these on each night before he goes to beddie bye.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pmWhat?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pm“The DLC are Frauds”, Well, maybe those stickers are banned in Texas??
;)
I do agree that the DNC need to get more organized in getting the message out. The thing about Local Elections (i.e. Connecticut) is Only the local voters count. In Busby’s case, I’d bet the DNC is thinking that. In November, Unfortunately, I’m positive that people will vote there fears rather than their hopes. This current Administration uses fear to attempt to get what they want. When you measure it: It doesn’t accomplish much, but it does scare people.
A good friend once told me this: “A Conservative is a Liberal who got punched int he face once too often.”
August 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pmDoes that describe you a little?
a must see - but…Warning: there are graphic photographs in this movie which are not suitable for children or those of a sensitive nature.
Comment by madashell — August 21, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Powerful. Two plus years left is two years plus too long to get these monsters out of power, and stop this nightmare.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:36 pm[…] Think Progress - Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 […]
August 21st, 2006 at 1:39 pmIt just cracks me up when Shrub tries to look smart. He’s not even good at being a charlatan. The man is an ass of the worst kind.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:43 pmA good friend once told me this: “A Conservative is a Liberal who got punched int he face once too often.â€
Does that describe you a little?
Comment by S.D. — August 21, 2006 @ 1:34 pm
No. I’m a big privacy nut. More conservative than most.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:45 pmA good friend once told me this: “A Conservative is a Liberal who got punched int he face once too often.â€
Does that describe you a little?
Comment by S.D. — August 21, 2006
[performs white-gloved opera clap]
Oh, Well done, sir.
A liberal is just a person tired of seeing his country soiled by conservatives.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:46 pm#92 Tripmaster - the article you reference is interesting, but also contains a statement that cell phone calls are impossible on aircraft. I’m not sure that’s accurate. How reliable do you think that site is?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:46 pmPrime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, thanked the armed forces for preventing major attacks. “We condemn strongly the terrorists attacks committed by the terrorists against innocent civilians,†he said in a statement.
“The success of the army and the security forces in preventing the terrorists from killing (a larger number of) innocent people — although some fell as martyrs — reflects the rising power of the armed forces,†he said.
So now all they have to do is prevent all motor traffic in Baghdad on a permanent basis and problem solved!
August 21st, 2006 at 1:52 pmWon’t have an economy, but will have peace for the couple of hundred who are left after the rest of the populace leaves to go find a place to live.
thanks Amtrak. I was just asking for more info, which you provided.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pmThe article mentioned rural areas specifically…
A little confused by Sandy and An American are both so hard on Plunger. Too radical for you?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pmAh, okay.
So there’s going to be an impeachment hearing when now?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pmScholars for 9/11 Truth is a non-partisan society of experts and scholars who are exposing falsehoods and revealing truths about 9/11. Our function is like that of accountants or auditors and analogous to that of “Consumer Reports”. We are conducting our own research to determine whether or not the government’s account is true.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmThe Dems should make a commercial with the several video bits where Bush and minion either strongly implied or flat-out stated a link between Iraq and AQ, then play that narrow bit from where Bush pauses at the interruption through the word “nuthin’!”. Over and over “Nuthin!” Nuthing!” “Nuthin!”
August 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmAttention PROGS - “**Blue-Light Special - “K-Mart is featuring our tin-foil hats for the next five minutes”
August 21st, 2006 at 2:03 pmGullible Americans
By Paul Craig Roberts
08/14/06 “Information Clearing House” — –
I was in China when a July Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country, and that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with Al Qaeda.
The Chinese leaders and intellectuals with whom I was meeting were incredulous. How could a majority of the population in an allegedly free country with an allegedly free press be so totally misinformed?
The only answer I could give the Chinese is that Americans would have been the perfect population for Mao and the Gang of Four, because Americans believe anything their government tells them.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:03 pmAttention PROGS - “**Blue-Light Special - “K-Mart is featuring our tin-foil hats for the next five minutesâ€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 21, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Absolutely pathetic.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:04 pmLook, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you’re stupid. Did you hear that? -stupid.â€
Arthur Sylvester, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, 1965
August 21st, 2006 at 2:05 pmOn March 21, 2003 Bush sent a letter to Congress stating his reason for Iraq war. It was, to take “actions against those nations, organizations, orpersons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001″.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2003/ 03/ 20030321-5.html
August 21st, 2006 at 2:06 pmWas Clinton put down because he was a liar by the God-fearing Republicans? You know, a president should never lie to its citizens? Are the Republicans working out of a parallel universe or what? No, the S.O.Bs know what they thinking and saying: “SCREWED THE AVERAGE AMERICANS ‘TIL WE GET ALL WE CAN GET. HAH!”
August 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmMA - TROLL DROPPINGS = YUK
August 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmLook’s like “Santo” has decided to visit us. Sigh…
August 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmAnyway, boy-oh-boy! Somebody slipped up BIG TIME!! His frantic, and obvious, scrambling about to recover only highlights the extent to which he realized it. Of course we will soon be treated to an endless stream of justifications about what by he ‘really meant’ by that, with some ‘he was taken out of context’ remarks that they are so fond of. I wonder if the soldiers serving in Iraq will get to see this story. Something tells me it ‘ain’t gonna happen’, it wouldn’t be good for morale, don’t you know.
138. GTH.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:08 pmit wasn’t meant to be.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:09 pmJust visited A. K. Dewdney’s article on http://physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm
August 21st, 2006 at 2:14 pmThanks for the info.
No one ever said we were at war with Eastasia.
Paging Winston Smith, Winston Smith, please return to your desk immediately.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:15 pm[…] It’s getting to the point with this administration that they don’t even try to cover up lies anymore — they’re just going to deny they ever said it. Case is point is beautifully captured in video by the good people at ThinkProgress.org. BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. […]
August 21st, 2006 at 2:18 pmWhoever was the first to say ‘no brain - no pain’ was watching this idiot at the time.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:20 pmSandy:
I see up-thread that you were wanting me to answer a question about 9/11, but for the life of me, I can’t ascertain what question you were asking me to respond to.
Please post your question and I’ll give it a shot.
Thanks.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:21 pmhttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/140133_bushiraq18.html
Welcome to 2003.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:22 pmPetros, good job on tracking down the lying lies and the liars that tell them!
August 21st, 2006 at 2:23 pmAt this rate, it really will just be a piece of paper.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:29 pmImpeach Bush!
August 21st, 2006 at 2:32 pmI smell blood.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:35 pmMaDaschle - exposing himself - - - - as an ideologue AND an idiot….
August 21st, 2006 at 2:37 pmBush speaks the truth. The motivations for provoking this occupation and the way it was implemented is what we need to be discussing. Controlling oil flow of the world’s second largest reserve…conducting neo-con “free-market economic experiment” using iraq as their pitre dish… and let’s not forget creating the largest conspiracy to defraud the american tax by transfering billions of dollars to the military industrial complex…
August 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pmRoll the campaign footage:
BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens
QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?
BUSH: Nothing.
Play it, say it, display it, relay it any way it can be.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:44 pmWhy isn’t the mainstream media all over this like they are Jon Benet and on that topic daily kos IS running the most powerful political cartoon ever by De Rosier. 132,000 troops in Iraq for Bush’s Lies thats all that matters. Why have WE allowed Bush to do this??
August 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pm“**Blue-Light Special - “K-Mart is featuring our tin-foil hats for the next five minutesâ€
Comment by MA — August 21, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Absolutely pathetic. Comment by RealBScientist — August 21, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
I’ll buy two of them! - Comment by amstrong”
*******Progs, They make GREAT gifts….
August 21st, 2006 at 2:51 pm“freedom agenda” christ everytime I hear the word “freedom” I think bush. What a horrible age we are all in.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:51 pm#
Plunger my question to you is
With all the info’s you posted for the past year,and keep posting, did you ever asked yourself why nobody is moving a finger? And if nobody is moving a finger why are you keep posting so many info’s? What’s the point? Information or disinformation?
Comment by Sandy — August 21, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
I’ll assume that English is not your first language (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
What is the point of educating the American Public about the truth of 9/11?
You’re kidding, right?
If the American Public knew the entire truth about 9/11, the present Administration and its entire Cabinet would already be in prison and we would have no troops in Iraq.
We are about to nuke Iran and launch another war on bogus pretense - after Cheney attacks us yet again with another False Flag operation - quite likely by flying jumbo jets into nuclear containment vessels at power plants in three major US cities thereby causing the “Chernobyl Effect.”
To say that my efforts are having no effect is not true. People like myself are causing more and more individuals to do their own research. That’s all I ask. Do your own research. Don’t believe a word the government tells you. Assume the opposite of what they say is true.
Today is the perfect example.
Bush said that the Administration never claimed that “Saddam never ordered the attacks of 9/11.”
No one ever accused the Administration of implying that specifically.
He denied something he had never been charged with in the hopes that you would THINK he said that no one in his administration made any efforts to convince over 65% of the American People that Iraq had a direct relationship with Al Qaeda - and by extension - Bin Laden & 9/11.
Remember the Plame Leak fiasco?
Bush’s quote was:
“Anyone found to have leaked Classified Information from within my Administration will be TAKEN CARE OF.”
He didn’t say they’d be fired…he said they’d be “TAKEN CARE OF.”
They have been. Rove is fully protected.
Why do I keep posting the truth about 9/11?
Because those responsible are not in jail yet, and my country is about to suffer a false flag attack and the implementation of Martial Law - and Dictatorship.
Why aren’t more people posting about the truth of 9/11 - 24/7?
August 21st, 2006 at 2:52 pmThe war on terror, you can’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror - GW Bush
It’s not surprising many people believed, that there was a link between Saddam and Bin Laden, when he uses this type of rhetoric.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:53 pmSandy sez:
Plunger go back and look at the board The darkside of VP Cheney on Raw Story, and read your comments, then you know why i am asking that question.
Sandy, I looked through the Raw Story boards, but I couldn’t find that thread…could you post a link?
August 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pmIf that is true, then why did 60% of the people think Saddam was involved in the attacks? Why do, even now, 45% of the people think that is so?
August 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pm.
You have to keep reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney, have power. The thread running through their ruminations is the importance of the media: “the prioritized task of bringing on board journalists of repute to accept our position”.
“Our position” is code for lying. Certainly, as a journalist, I have never known official lying to be more pervasive than today. We may laugh at the vacuities in Tony Blair’s “Iraq dossier” and Jack Straw’s inept lie that Iraq has developed a nuclear bomb (which his minions rushed to “explain”). But the more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack on Iraq and linking it to would-be terrorists who are said to lurk in every Tube station, are routinely channelled as news. They are not news; they are black propaganda.
http://www.newstatesman.com/200212160005
“Television is altering the meaning of “being informed” by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation… Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information - misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information - information that creates the illusion of knowing something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing.”
Neil Postman
SENATOR GRAHAM CALLS FOR ACTION AGAINST AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH BUSH
NAT PARRY, CONSORTIUM NEWS - Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations — Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy. “The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat. “Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1329
“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
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August 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pmplunger:
You seem reasonably well informed about the details of 9/11…would you happen to have any other links to information about the remote-control capabilities of the 757s and 767s that I referenced here? I’m always on the lookout for more information.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pmWHO BRAINWASHED THE TROOPS IN IRAQ?
How is it that according to a recent Zogby Poll, nearly 85% of active duty troops in Iraq actually came to believe that they are there specifically to avenge the attacks of 9/11?
What type of active PsyOps program was approved by Rumsfeld to ensure this result to motivate these troops in this way?
When these atrocities were committed, did the guilty troops actually believe that they were taking revenge for the attacks of 9/11?
Was that their mindset?
If so, how did that come to be?
What role has Rumsfeld played in allowing the myth to be perpetuated throughout the military - that we are in Iraq specifically to avenge the (FALSE FLAG) attacks against the United States on 9/11?
How does our Defense Department set about demonizing an entire race of people to make them easier to kill?
How was that message SOLD to the troops?
They SOLD us a terror attack.
They SOLD us a war.
They SOLD the troops a lie to motivate them.
RUMSFELD = WAR CRIMINAL
August 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmSandy sez:
Well, if you’re unable to provide a link, could you at least post some salient points?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:01 pmDamning. Finita la musica baby. Bush is toast and he will be impeached.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pm#
plunger:
You seem reasonably well informed about the details of 9/11…would you happen to have any other links to information about the remote-control capabilities of the 757s and 767s that I referenced here? I’m always on the lookout for more information.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 21, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
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According to the US Government’s own website which is specifically designed to debunk conspiracy theories:
http://usinfo.state.gov/ media/ Archive/ 2005/ Jun/ 28-581634.html
With regard to the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Meyssan ignores or dismisses the facts that:
“THE GOVERNMENT DECLARES):
“Boeing commercial aircraft can not be remotely controlled”
This assertion is false.
Dov Zakheim was the Pentagon’s comptroller and CFO during 9/11. Over $2 trillion is unaccounted for during his tenure. He was (is?) Corporate VP at System Planning Corporation, a major player in the “Homeland Security” industry. One of the products that SysPlan sells is the Command Transmitter System, a remote control system for planes, boats, missiles and other vehicles2 . It’s highly customable and configurable to interface with an almost limitless number of vehicle types.
The CTS is a tunable UHF FM transmitter designed for ground use in controlling guided missiles, pilotless aircraft and pilotless boats.
Many takeoff and lending tests were performed using this system on a commercial size Boeing aircraft under the supervision of Raytheon in the days prior to 9/11.
If the pilot is not in direct control and another mechanism is controlling (not just receiving passive signals or sensing) the craft, especially from GPS, it is effectively ‘remotely’ controlled. The link between ground crews, GPS and aircraft have been established. It’s not a cruise control and it’s not a radio controlled toy car. We’re talking FULL avionics AND navigation from take-off to touch down controlled and guided by a known and documented satellite link. “A fully integrated flight management computer system (FMCS) provides for automatic guidance and control of the 757-200 from immediately after takeoff to final approach and landing. Linking together digital processors controlling navigation, guidance and engine thrust, the flight management system assures that the aircraft flies the most efficient route and flight profile for reduced fuel consumption, flight time and crew workload. The precision of global positioning satellite (GPS) system navigation, automated air traffic control functions, and advanced guidance and communications features are now available as part of the new Future Air Navigation System (FANS) flight management computer.” This technology could effectively PREVENT the hijack of aircraft. Any deviation from the course would trigger the system and someone would know about it. We’re working to verify if American Airlines does have this technology installed in any of its fleet. Suppose they do have this technology installed… Why not key in a coordinate or code to have a hijacked aircraft automatically land at a predesignated, properly prepared airfield prepped for such eventualities. I can only assume that our “planners” do indeed think in terms of hostile contingencies and have this scenario worked out. This all begs the questions: why wasn’t this critical technology used, or was it abused?
http://www.humanunderground.com/ 11september/ pent-feasible.html
DOV ZAKHEIM:
The CEO of Systems Planning’s international division, Dov Zakheim, is a long-time DoD and Republican Party insider, and a founding member of the Neoconservative cult. While Bush was still Governor of Texas, Zakheim became one of his closest advisers, counseling him on defense technology and strategic aspects of Middle Eastern affairs. After the 2000 “election,” Rummy rewarded Zakheim with a low-profile but strategically important position — Comptroller, i.e. head money man, of the Defense Department.
Zakheim also co-authored the Heritage Foundation’s infamous tract, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses,” in which the Bush Administration’s entire design for renewed global conquest was laid down a full year prior to 9-11. On page 63, the authors note that timely implementation of their ideas would require “some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
see for yourself:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/ RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Dov S. Zakheim was sworn in as the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and Chief Financial Officer for the Department of Defense on May 4, 2001.
Left the Bush Administration in mid-2004 for Booz Allen.
How Does Zakheim Fit In ?
He helped mold the Mid-East policy, and controlled the Pentagon purse strings.
Thanks to him, Israel, and their militia (Turkey), are awash in F-15’s, F-16’s, and the latest in offensive and defensive missile systems. Israel has a space program, ICBM’s, nukes, and lots more.
Zakheim, who is a dual Israeli/American citizen and a Shul Rabbi, has stalked the halls of US government for 25 yrs. He has set defense policy which influenced Presidents Reagan, Clinton and Bush Sr. and Jr. This rabid Zionist was the controller of the Pentagon when an audit discovered over a trillion dollars was missing.
Most of Israel’s armament was obtained thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified as military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.
Zakheim is a rabid Zionist, who carries an Israel passport and is considered to be one of the top members of the secretive Illuminati . He predicts 9/11 and by sheer coincidence the Pentagon is hit by a remote controlled jet (Zakheim’s ‘ SPC ‘ corporation is the premier company in the field).
http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS
During his tenure as controller at the Pentagon from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004, over one trillion dollars was unaccounted for.
Military information is jeopardized, military contractors billed the US for Israeli items, $50 million fighter jets are classified as surplus and the list goes on and on. As the scandal of the missing trillion dollars surfaces the Rabbi quickly resigns.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pmSandy sez:
???
Sandy, how exactly do you plan on accomplishing that?
Again, just a few salient points would be fine.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pmThis has got to be in Democratic ads from now until election day.
Even with his tortured “explanation,” it is totally damning.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:05 pmIraq had nothing to do with September 11th.
For once, George Bush has agreed with me.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:05 pm[…] Read it and weep. […]
August 21st, 2006 at 3:07 pmVICE PRES. CHENEY: I’m not here today to make a specific allegation that Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11. I can’t say that. On the other hand, since we did that interview, new information has come to light. And we spent time looking at that relationship between Iraq, on the one hand, and the al-Qaeda organization on the other. And there has been reporting that suggests that there have been a number of contacts over the years. We’ve seen in connection with the hijackers, of course, Mohamed Atta, who was the lead hijacker, did apparently travel to Prague on a number of occasions. And on at least one occasion, we have reporting that places him in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official a few months before the attack on the World Trade Center. The debates about, you know, was he there or wasn’t he there, again, it’s the intelligence business.
Dick lost his control of his puppet or something.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:12 pmMA - PROJECTING AGAIN -
MAN?????????? I don’t think so.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pmplunger:
The humanunderground.com link you provided is broken…other than that, thanks. Good info.
In your personal assessment, what do you believe impacted the Pentagon on 9/11?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:15 pmSandy:
Looks like you’ve got all my best stuff saved in one place.
Plenty there to read and consider.
As always, I invite evidence to refute anything I post.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:17 pmSandy:
Thanks for the link….now what was the point you were trying to make?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:17 pmThis man , this georges bush has all the characteristic of a psychopath . WE WILL NOT LEAVE IRAQ UNDER MY WATCH . So he says . Like Hitler who took his people into the abyss,he wants to take us down . Where is everybody , comgress , the media, all busy , on vacation raising money or with the jonbonet affair.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:19 pmPlunger - Discussing war, politics, and/or economy with “UNCAPITALIST” quotes is like asking a vampire to vouch for sunlight or garlic….. I’m with sandy - plunger would be a terrific federal informant or undercover agent.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:20 pmDoes anyone understand Sandy?
Who is Santo?
Just a troll.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:23 pmWe needed to attack Iraq to help out our friend Khameni; Saddam was really starting to get on Iran’s nerves.
That’s after we took out the Taliban, who were beginning to make noises about expanding into Iran.
…and while we were at it, the price of oil was too low to fund a nuclear research program.
…and the IDF was getting too full of themselves…
August 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmsandy sez:
Two things:
1) That link is the same one you provided earlier,
August 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pm- and -
2) In the document you linked to, plunger derided Santo as a ‘troll’. Saying this is proof that plunger ‘knew’ santo is like saying I ‘know’ Seixon. Unless you can substantiate your claim that “in the old times they were burning witches”, you might want to just save your time and move on.
Jackie #57, great post……Say do you have any proof or source to the bush, condi affair.? The reason I am asking is this…..The red states, extreme fundamentalist christians and sleepy non voters would not be happy campers to have that made public. You know, like all the holier than thou trolls and roaches here, they don’t care chimp and crew lie, kill, steal us blind and break all the law’s of the constitution but let one of their own have an extra marital affair or a dem. fool around and they go insane….Think it’s the jealiousy factor…..They don’t get any and don’t want any one else to either……LOL….Those of us on the left know it’s not true, they do have sex, were just not as preoccupied with it……Who is the guy that is the white house whore.? And who is his buddy.? I’m serious we need this info, way things are going probably the only way to get bull shit booted……….Blessings……..P.S. any one know if Laura has a boyfriend and who it is.?……
August 21st, 2006 at 3:28 pmsandy, santo, many others
appear to have the single purpose of disrupting conversation.
this appears to be an internet republican ploy being utilized.
i could only speculate that reasoning is simular to desired outcome of free speech zones, combined with the hint of instilling anti-trust and confusion amongst contributors, and potential contributors, of the site (remember the abby hoffman days).
it’s best not to feed the animals.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pmDoes anybody find it creepy to hear a sitting president talk about a “freedom agenda”? I feel like I am listening to Krushchev.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pm“Freedom Agenda” yes, very creepy.
They can’t even define victory in the “war on terror”, assholes.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:34 pmChaos By Design:
Where Iraq is concerned, the mission is precisely ON PLAN.
Bush is lying when he says that things have not turned out as he had hoped. His hope, and indeed the Neocon’s Plan, was to create a Quagmire - to ensure Permanent Bases - PERIOD.
This is not a theory, this is a FACT.
THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS “OCCUPATION”…FOREVER.
The Plan also calls for depopulation.
They are ON PLAN.
They are happy that you believe that someone named Al Zarkawi actually exists.
They are happy that you believe that someone named Bin Laden actually exists.
They are happy that you believe that Muslims are the cause of all terror.
They are happy that you have not studied the tactics of False Flag Attacks and what their political purpose is.
They are happy that you are distracted (by design) to a new topic every day.
They are happy that you think this is all the result of incompetence and poor planning. This is precisely what Rove wants you to believe.
They have created a no win situation, with no way out…BY DESIGN!
You think they are incompetent and stupid because that is what they WANT YOU TO THINK.
We are in opposite world. LITERALLY NOTHING is as it appears.
NOTHING.
Get your head around that and stop assuming that these people are anything less than pure evil.
It is a grand conspiracy. Admitting it is going to save you a whole lot of ranting and raving about how stupid and incompetent they are.
Bush is just the front man for a very well orchestrated plan to alter your sense of reality.
Remember this from Ron Suskind?
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101704A.shtml
DID YOU THINK HE WAS KIDDING?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmSandy:
I assume it was me you just accused of lying.
Give one specific example with evidence, facts and links to support your assertion.
If something I have written is untrue, I’ll welcome having it corrected with the facts.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:41 pmyes, we will.
and, schitzo one, those that read the between your lines will see to whom full force effort is being applied by.
each human will be able to formulate their own conclusions.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:44 pmFor an outstanding assessment of the Occupation of Iraq, please read
August 21st, 2006 at 3:44 pm7 Facts You Might Not Know About the Iraq War
By Michael Schwartz
at
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/082106M.shtml
As always, any legitimate critique of anything I write is invited - supported by links and facts.
Personal attacks are usually all that result from such an invitation.
Research is hard work.
Google: “Dancing Israelis”
See what you learn.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:45 pmThis is what we call a little Freudian slip, yah?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:47 pmNothing to worry about.
Ok. Time is up. See you next week.
Even though the Chimp has now said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 I’m willing to bet that tomorrow the polls will show that 50% of Americans still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:49 pmWhose war is it?
What exactly is happening in Iraq and whose war is it, anyway?
The U.S. military-industrial complex earned billions and billions of dollars during the Vietnam War. This was the main objective of the major stockholders, and they didn’t care who won the war on the ground.
Now it seems that history is repeating itself, since the U.S. military-industrial complex is earning billions from the war in Iraq, with U.S. taxpayers footing the bill.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:51 p