Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11
Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11
President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda†and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,†Bush defiantly answered. Watch it.
To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.â€
As ThinkProgress has repeatedly documented, Vice President Cheney cited “evidence†cooked up by Douglas Feith and others to claim it was “pretty well confirmed†that Iraq had contacts with 9/11 hijackers.
More generally, in the lead-up to the war in Iraq, the administration encouraged the false impression that Saddam had a role in 9/11. Bush never stated then, as he does now, that Iraq had “nothing†to do with 9/11. Only after the Iraq war began did Bush candidly acknowledge that Iraq was not operationally linked to 9/11.
Full transcript:
BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.
QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?
BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?
QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.
BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.
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Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:04 pmThe lying sack o’ crap! Why haven’t we nuked N. Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Syria and the hoboes from Hackensack then?
Hi. My name is John Doe and I’m running for _____________________________.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:07 pmThe Total Information Awareness program was killed by a bipartisan congress in 2004 but George Bush is running the program anyway. We need to stop this program and implement and fund real security measures right here at home. And that includes border security. Thank you and vote for me, John Doe, candidate for ______________.
Just goes to show that when you start lying, it gets so damn hard to keep your lies straight. Doesn’t it, Mr. President?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:07 pmhe said “no one has said Iraq gave the order for the attacks of Sept. 11th” which is technically true, if I recall. They have said there was contact, they have said there was assistance, but they never said that Iraq gave the order. Come to think of it, this is just another of Bush’s strawmen: no one has suggested that the administration has said that Iraq gave the order… tricky words… I guess the focus should be on the simple phrase “what did Iraq have to do with 9/11: Nothing…” ’nuff said
August 21st, 2006 at 12:08 pmthe lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize
So we should invade everyone. After this administration everyone is going to hate us…so I say attack the world continent by continent. We can claim we are there to liberate our peoples since the US has citizens from every country in the world. All bush has to do is grow a little mustache.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:09 pmDo you think anyone is paying attention? The media blows and certainly will not explain what has transpired to the average person.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:10 pmZogby poll, feb 28, 2006:
90 (that’s ninety) percent of US troops in iraq think they are there in ‘retaliation for saddams role in 9-11′
1. hey chimpy – didn’t they get the memo?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:11 pm2. shall you tell the or shall I?
3. who do you ask to be last to die for a mistake?
There it is.
Chimpy just contradicted himself. Either he was lying t hen, or he’s lying now.
WHAT ELSE DOES HE HAVE TO DO BEFORE HE AND THE REST OF HIS BLOODTHIRSTY CABAL GET A) IMPEACHED, B) TRIED FOR TREASON, C) CONVICTED OF TREASON, AND D)SHOT FOR TREASON???
I said it before, and I’ll say it again, the impeachment and execution for treason of the neocon fascists who are destroying this country and this planet is absolutely essential. Any less will just exacerbate the damage already done.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pmBush’s mentor:
August 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pm“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.â€
Joseph Goebbels
Is this part of Mehlman’s newly announced “adapt to win” strategy?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pmmroom-
Correct. Modify the propaganda in small steps. It’s been that way all along. Assholes.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pmWow! What a flip-flopper. It’s shameful but I Love it when he begins to lose it like that. This administration has been peddling the Myth that IRAQ was connected to 9/11 since 9/11/2001.
Yes, Saddam is insane and Evil. Is this situation better?? GHW Bush thought Stability was more important than this “Freedom”. IMO, he was right.
“The DLC are Frauds”, It’s a struggle but I think we get it. You don’t like the DNC.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pmCould you beat your point home a little more? Say Double Posts back to Back?
Kidding!
How many more of our children will need to die in the searing heat and drying sands of Iraq before this frat-boy fool of a pResident is arrested and hauled up before a judge?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmNobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmLying SOB’s the whole bunch.
Wolfowitz & Feith should be charged with treason, to start with. The rest should be sent
to Iraq to patrol Sadr City. Then we’ll see ‘Freedom on the March’. Or, more likely, ‘Freedom on the Run’.
Chickenhawks, Chickenshits and flapping lips. (A song’s in there, somewhere.)
This is the biggest load of sh** in a long time. Anyone here can see that, but what about the rest of the people? Oh, yeah: They’re all focused on JonBenet now, so this will be just fine.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmYou don’t say; now he tell’s us.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:18 pmWoops… can I change that to “no comment?”
You can tell he realizes his f-up because he starts stuttering afterwards. Nice!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pm18. Oops, I guess I was wrong.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pmWow! What a flip-flopper. It’s shameful but I Love it when he begins to lose it like that. This administration has been peddling the Myth that IRAQ was connected to 9/11 since 9/11/2001.
Yes, Saddam is insane and Evil. Is this situation better?? GHW Bush thought Stability was more important than this “Freedomâ€. IMO, he was right.
“The DLC are Fraudsâ€, It’s a struggle but I think we get it. You don’t like the DNC.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:20 pmCould you beat your point home a little more? Say Double Posts back to Back?
Kidding!
“the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize,”
I nearly gaged on that line. Too bad he didn’t learn that lesson BEFORE 9/11, considering he was warned about it.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:21 pmBush’s handlers are losing their grip on the guy. Just about anything can happen now.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:23 pmThe lesson of 9/11 is to track down THOSE RESPONSIBLE and deal with them. What part of that has escaped these criminal morons? Oh, just about all of it.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:23 pmWHERE THE F**K IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY?….UH? are they all deaf and blind? or just corrupt to the bone?
Comment by Sandy
I could speculate and suggest that law enforcement you speak of, ie., the Attorney General of the United States Gonzales, is firmly in control of the governement, a governement at present whose all three branches is controlled by the Republican Party.
Just an opinion, of course.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:25 pmI can’t believe this:
Comon….this whole F**king war was marketed as payback for 9/11, and the Iraq link to Al-Qaeda and 9/11 was used, and still being used by Rumsfeld to this day, to justify the war.
I mean, just a couple of months ago, when Rumsfeld was called out, and asked “why he lied and led us to war” he said that Zarqawi was in Baghdad.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:27 pmLet me repost without my poor grammar:
I could speculate and suggest that law enforcement you speak of, ie., the Attorney General of the United States, is firmly in control of the government, a government whose all three branches are controlled by the Republican Party.
Just an opinion, of course.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:29 pmSD,
August 21st, 2006 at 12:30 pmDo you find it logical that John Conyers and afterdowningstreet.org would run the HR 635 on Air America and NOT run it on prime time TV?
“The question of the president’s possible criminal acts has long been the pig in the parlor that polite people in Congress refused to acknowledge.” Jonathen Truley, G.Washington Univ.
Well said, ‘the pig in the parlor’.
Notice how our smiley AG never even considers criminality, & he’s our ‘top’ lawyer!
Bush broke the law.
Bush will pay a price.
Bush is the PIG IN THE PARLOR.
Spying on Americans is treasonous.
Bush is the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
Bush has committed war crimes.
Alberto, where the f*ck did you get a degree in law, Texas?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:31 pmInteresting how deathly quiet the standard trolls have become….methinks they don’t dare touch this one.
Seixon? Chase? NEOCON? Jason? Randy? Anyone?
C’mon….I wanna see you try to BS your way outta this one.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:31 pmI like how he speaks as if he’s gonna tell us all just how things are gonna be.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:33 pmThis MF is crazy as hell and getting worse.
He’ll start bombing his own country soon.
Mainly the areas that he sees that are ‘blue’ on his coloring book.
Tablogoid at #9: Right on! One wonders why the American and British people have taken so long in seeing the ruin Neoconservative policies bring. Preemptive war and regime change in the name of (supposedly) “spreading democracy†is propaganda, imperial, fascist, stupid and a lie. Spreading democracy, indeed! Our liberal democracies could never spawn totalitarian oligarchies? Remember the Weimar in ’33?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pmProbably Italy!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pmcheney/rove need to undercut the Dem’s ability to claim that the repubs got us into a war by lying. To do that they will move to the “Of course, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, who said it did?” tatic. This is just a Dem effort to smear peace loving and democracy promotiong repubs. Voters….don’t believe them, believe us. Given the limited attention span of most Americans, they will buy it and ask when we’ll nuke Iran!
This tactic has worked before, they lie in order to “confuse” the the issue enough so that those who need and/or want to keep bush/cheney/rove in power for their purposes (Anti-Abortion/big filthy businesses/anti-gay/prayer in school/pay less taxes/etc.) can justify continued support of immoral bush/cheney/rove.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:38 pmBush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11
Correct me if I’m wrong, but does that mean we have come full circle at last? I mean what’s next? A renewed search for WMD’s?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:38 pmBush is guilty of lying because he didn’t use the Patented Cheney “If you will” disclaimer to all his threats/lies.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmFinally, a post that I’d want to “Digg!”, and there’s no link!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmIt was no accident that bush has to change the meme to include the word ‘ordered’.
Saddam didn’t ‘order’ 911, and bush never said he did.
Sad a President has to resort to message board strawmen arguements.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmSOMEONE TOOK THEIR WHEATIES TODAY!!!!!
Why the sudden defiance in his voice???
Why the defense posturing????
Is an incriminating news item about to be exposed this week and Rove is trying to get ahead of it???
I really think these two stories are the reason
It seems we have lost our final ally, Britain, in GWB Great Big Middle Eastern Adventure…….
BLAIR ‘betrayed” by Bush during Isreal/Lebanon conflict:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401414&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=
BRITISH INTELLIGENCE TELLS CIA TO STOP LEAKING BRITISH INTEL:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001380.php
August 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pmESS DEE (”DNC Are Frauds”?) Evil of you to Double Post me!
;)
Back on Topic: You mean the proposal to Impeach Bush? By prime time TV, would that be the same prime time TV that pretty much ignored the Court Decision that declared the so called “Terrorist Surveillance Program” Illegal?
That prime time TV? The Mass Media shows what ever gets people to Watch. That’s why MS NBC keeps parading Ann Coulter in Mock disgust. They didn’t cover that bill for the same reason.
Do you find it Logical that prime time TV didn’t hold Cheney or GW to task when he flip flopped their propaganda as GW did today? Bet Tony Snow “Clarifies” the presidents words later on.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:42 pmFor lying then, and lying about it now:
Impeach ‘im.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:43 pmThat’ll teach ‘im.
So we come back to what John Dean suggested in Worse Than Watergate: the letter to congress may well provide grounds for impeachment. The letter required a statement about the relevance of the war to 9/11. Bush admits Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. He lied in the letter to congress.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:44 pmDean is right.
Comment by S.D. — August 21, 2006 @ 12:42 pm
Democrats need to buy balanced TV coverage and stop dumping money into loser Busby campaigns.
I ordered 2 Kerry/Edwards stickers from their website. They never came. Still waiting. Here in Texas…
Could you imagine if Bush were elected twice without the popular vote?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:50 pmChildren of Abraham – Death in the Desert
a must see – but…Warning: there are graphic photographs in this movie which are not suitable for children or those of a sensitive nature.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:51 pmThe lies just keep on coming now wait for Cheney to say it was Harry Potter and his magic that took the weapons. People wake up Bush is giving 230 millions dollars to Lebanon for rebuilding from the attack by Israel who knows what the US will give Israel for their rebuilding. Does our government help with rebuilding in the United States as what about the Gulf Coast. Maybe we should ask Iran to help with the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast as they are raising the price of oil because Bush is preparing to attack them. Lieberman wants Rummy’s job as promised by Bush as the two kissed. Bush wont leave office as he thinks he’s the King. What the hell is happening to our country and why are Americans not standing up to stop it. Anyone ever heard of the word IMPEACH. I know Bush is still reading the book My Pet Goat but someone should tell him that America was built because we got about from King George rule. Blair got big bucks from this Administration to lap dog Bush so he learned like other GOP officials Bush and team will stab you in the back when they don’t need you anymore. Great lesson to teach our youth. Now let’s see in 5 years Bush has taught Americans to lie, cheat, steal, torture, use God’s name for evil, back stab your friends, have an affair with the Secretary of State, appoint idiots who are unqualified friends and let our troops die based on lies and greed for oil. Now that’s great for the history of America. If you don’t like it do something about it, IMPEACH BUSH.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:53 pm[...] Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 12:54 pmNice link lib4… I particularly liked this little tid bit…
The source said: “We all feel badly let down by Bush. We thought we had persuaded him to take the Israel-Palestine situation seriously, but we were wrong. How can anyone have faith in a man of such low intellect?”
Good F#@king Question!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:54 pmThey Attacked us on 9/11…WMDS etc. etc. Finally we hear it from the horses mouth…. Could SOMEONE HANG THIS ASSHOLE FOR TREASON!
August 21st, 2006 at 12:57 pmThis admission is a direct result of Bush’s getting ‘lawyered up’ recently in preparation for any impeachment or war crimes prosecution in the near future. He’ll come clean in small doses and pretend there was never any attempt to mislead the citizenry.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:57 pmBUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of ..
What do you suppose he started to say here, and changed his mind?
August 21st, 2006 at 12:58 pmOf course the MSM isn’t picking up on this. All the headlines I’ve seen make no mention of it, only that Bush is pledging money to help Lebanon and asking for more international help.
His actions, body language and speech patterns are getting more and more erratic. He looks close to a meltdown.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:59 pmWhat does Occam’s Razor tell you about the ODDS that NORAD would be running a series of drills on the morning of 9/11 designed specifically to simulate an attack against America involving hijacked planes flown into buildings?
What does Occam’s Razor tell you about FEMA having been prepositioned in New York for the drill – which commenced at the same moment the first tower was struck?
What does Occam’s Razor tell you about the warning sent to Israeli Nationals two hours before the first plane struck?
Ignoring everything you have seen and heard to brainwash you to the contrary in its aftermath, what are the odds that a man in a cave could beat all of the defenses of the United States of America by coincidentally timing his attack to coincide with a total shut down of NORAD?
Occam’s razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or “shaving off”, those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.
Pieces of aircraft were scattered over a five mile area in Pennsylvania.
WTC 7 – though untouched by an aircraft, fell directly into its own footprint less than two hours after its owner ordered the fire department to pull back from the structure in order to “pull it.”
5 Israeli Mossad Agents with explosives expertise were arrested for filming the destruction of the twin towers. Their film has never been made public. They failed seven polygraph tests. They were quietly deported to Israel.
Norm Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission that he personally witnessed Cheney commanding one of his subordinates in the bunker on the morning of 9/11 to allow the approaching aircraft to strike the Pentagon uncontested.
The manuevers made by the planes that struck both the Pentagon and the second WTC tower could not possibly have been made by any first time pilot – according to aviation experts.
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August 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pm#63
Obviously the phrase was going to be “Nothing, Except it’s part of the War on Terror”.
But somehow, one of his aides got to him and reminded him that he needed to start distancing himself from the Saddam/911 connection his administration was making.
Which is why he’s using the carefully chosen, ‘Iraq didn’t ORDER 911′.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pm.
Kay Griggs, Former Marine Colonel’s Wife, Talks Again About Military Assassin Squads, Drug Running, Illegal Weapon Deals And Sexual Perversion Deep Within The Highest Levels Of U.S. Military And Government
2005 07 26
http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/2005/07jul/kgriggs.html
“I know that there was a war game going on via Tampa, I think it was called Bright Star, which was being run on 9/11 by a weird and insecure USMC General who was in charge while the Army head was conveniently away in the Near East.
Sept. 1-10 2001 – In an exercise, called Operation “Swift Sword” and planned for four years, 23,000 British troops are steaming toward Oman. Although the 9-11 attacks caused a hiccup in the deployment, the massive operation was implemented as planned. At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation “Bright Star.” All of these forces are in place before the first plane hits the WTC. [Sources: The Guardian; CNN; Fox; The Observer; International Law Professor Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois.]
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html
Sept. 11, 2001 – Gen. Mahmud of the ISI (see #16), friend of Mohammed Atta, is visiting Washington on behalf of the Taliban. He is meeting with the Chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., and Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., [Source: MSNBC, Oct. 7, 2001; The New York Times, Feb. 17, 2002]
Sept. 11, 2001 – Employees of Odigo, Inc. in Israel, one of the world’s largest instant messaging companies with offices in New York, receive threat warnings of an imminent attack on the WTC less than two hours before the first plane hits. Law enforcement authorities have gone silent about any investigation of this. The Odigo research and development offices in Israel are located in the city of Herzliyya, a ritzy suburb of Tel Aviv that is the same location as the Institute for Counter Terrorism, which eight days later reports details of insider trading on 9-11. [Source: CNN's Daniel Sieberg, Sept. 28, 2001; MSNBC Newsbytes, Brian McWilliams, Sept. 27, 2001; Ha'aretz, Sept. 26, 2001]
Sept. 11-12, 2001 – Nearly a month before the first reported outbreak, White House officials start taking the powerful antibiotic Cipro to treat anthrax. By the end of the year it will be known that the Ames strain of anthrax used in the attacks against Sens. Leahy and Daschle was produced by CIA programs coordinated through Fort Detrick, the Batelle Memorial Institute and the Dugway Proving Ground. [Source: NBC; CNN; http://www.tetrahedron.org, http://www.judicialwatch.org
Oct. 10, 2001 – The Pakistani newspaper The Frontier Post reports that U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain has paid a call on the Pakistani oil minister. A previously abandoned Unocal gas pipeline project from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to Pakistan is now back on the table “in view of recent geopolitical developments.”
Nov. 25, 2001 – The Observer runs a story headlined “Victorious Warlords Set To Open the Opium Floodgates.” It states that farmers are being encouraged by warlords allied with the victorious Americans are “being encouraged to plant as much opium as possible.”
June 14, 2002 – Common Dreams website publishes an account from a former member of the 1/118th Infantry Battalion of the South Carolina National Guard: “My unit reported for drill in July 2001 and we were suddenly and unexpectedly informed that all activities planned for the next two months would be suspended in order to prepare for a mobilization exercise to be held on Sept. 14, 2001. We worked diligently for two weekends and even came in on an unscheduled day in August to prepare for the exercise. By the end of August all we needed was a phone call, which we were to expect, and we could hop into a fully prepared convoy with our bags and equipment packed.” [Source: Common Dreams, http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0614-02.htm
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August 21st, 2006 at 1:02 pmBush telling the truth now in the hopes that by election time in November all will be forgotten and forgiven.
Dont let it happen!
August 21st, 2006 at 1:07 pmPlunger, here:
http://www.blogger.com
go, knock yourself out.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:07 pmAny of you works in the media?
Comment by Sandy
No. Would writing articles for a union newsletter count?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:09 pmFor those of you who actually believe that Bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attacks, the FBI Most Wanted web site disagrees with you, and so does Wikipedia:
“The FBI does not yet have ‘hard evidence’ linking him to the 9/11 attacks and so as of 2006 he has only been indicted on the embassy murders; he is officially still only a suspect in ‘other terrorist attacks throughout the world’.”
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
To each of you – go ahead, tell me again about the one where Osama Bin Laden attacked America on 9/11.
Anybody?
Anybody?
Have you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
BECAUSE IT’S FAKE!
BIN LADEN DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9/11.
HE DOES NOT EXIST.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pmI don’t understand how some of you are saying bush is finally telling the truth, when he mumbles something about Saddam ‘ordering’ 911.
Saddam ‘ordering’ 911 was NEVER the question…Saddam merely being connected to it was the problem.
This isn’t truth from bush, it’s more obfuscation and plausible deniabilty.
Anyone falling for today’s ‘bush truth’ needs to be slapped, including any talking heads that give bush a pass on it.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:13 pmOff topic – but OMG — Army of God PJ’s
this is not a joke….
August 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pmInteresting how deathly quiet the standard trolls have become….methinks they don’t dare touch this one.
Seixon? Chase? NEOCON? Jason? Randy? Anyone?
C’mon….I wanna see you try to BS your way outta this one.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
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Magical thinking.If they don’t address it,it didn’t happen.
That kind of thinking helps support their world-view.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pmLiberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence;
Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear.
- William Gladstone
this says it all…
August 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pmHey Chimpy…whats YOUR defenition of DISASTER?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm.
Dick Cheney.
Cheney was initially taken by the secret service to an underground bunker in the White House called the Presidential Emergency Operations Center.
From there, according to CNN, Cheney directed the US government’s response to the unfolding attack.
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta was in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as Flight 77 approached Washington, D.C. On May 23, 2003 in front of the 9/11 Commission, Secretary Mineta testified:
“During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, “The plane is 50 miles out.” “The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the Vice President, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”
As the plane in question hit the Pentagon, what else can we conclude but that the ‘order’ was not to shoot down the aircraft and to let it find its target.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm
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August 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pmplunger sez:
Actually, plunger, the manuevers made by both the aircraft that struck the Pentagon and the aircraft that struck WTC2 could not have been made by ANY PILOT.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pmTo each of you – go ahead, tell me again about the one where Osama Bin Laden attacked America on 9/11….Have you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
Comment by plunger
I knew it!!! I always suspected that picture was really one of PeeWee Herman, doctored up to look like some asshole. And that explains what why that little sicko disappeared from the tabloids so suddenly.
I also suspect that bin Laden’s second in command, the one with the birdshit on his forehead, is really Mikhail Gorbachev.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:22 pm#85, I’m sure Georgie puts these on each night before he goes to beddie bye.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pmWhat?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pm“The DLC are Frauds”, Well, maybe those stickers are banned in Texas??
;)
I do agree that the DNC need to get more organized in getting the message out. The thing about Local Elections (i.e. Connecticut) is Only the local voters count. In Busby’s case, I’d bet the DNC is thinking that. In November, Unfortunately, I’m positive that people will vote there fears rather than their hopes. This current Administration uses fear to attempt to get what they want. When you measure it: It doesn’t accomplish much, but it does scare people.
A good friend once told me this: “A Conservative is a Liberal who got punched int he face once too often.”
August 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pmDoes that describe you a little?
a must see – but…Warning: there are graphic photographs in this movie which are not suitable for children or those of a sensitive nature.
Comment by madashell — August 21, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Powerful. Two plus years left is two years plus too long to get these monsters out of power, and stop this nightmare.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:36 pm[...] Think Progress – Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 1:39 pmIt just cracks me up when Shrub tries to look smart. He’s not even good at being a charlatan. The man is an ass of the worst kind.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:43 pmA good friend once told me this: “A Conservative is a Liberal who got punched int he face once too often.â€
Does that describe you a little?
Comment by S.D. — August 21, 2006 @ 1:34 pm
No. I’m a big privacy nut. More conservative than most.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:45 pmA good friend once told me this: “A Conservative is a Liberal who got punched int he face once too often.â€
Does that describe you a little?
Comment by S.D. — August 21, 2006
[performs white-gloved opera clap]
Oh, Well done, sir.
A liberal is just a person tired of seeing his country soiled by conservatives.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:46 pm#92 Tripmaster – the article you reference is interesting, but also contains a statement that cell phone calls are impossible on aircraft. I’m not sure that’s accurate. How reliable do you think that site is?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:46 pmPrime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, thanked the armed forces for preventing major attacks. “We condemn strongly the terrorists attacks committed by the terrorists against innocent civilians,†he said in a statement.
“The success of the army and the security forces in preventing the terrorists from killing (a larger number of) innocent people — although some fell as martyrs — reflects the rising power of the armed forces,†he said.
So now all they have to do is prevent all motor traffic in Baghdad on a permanent basis and problem solved!
August 21st, 2006 at 1:52 pmWon’t have an economy, but will have peace for the couple of hundred who are left after the rest of the populace leaves to go find a place to live.
thanks Amtrak. I was just asking for more info, which you provided.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pmThe article mentioned rural areas specifically…
A little confused by Sandy and An American are both so hard on Plunger. Too radical for you?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pmAh, okay.
So there’s going to be an impeachment hearing when now?
August 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pmScholars for 9/11 Truth is a non-partisan society of experts and scholars who are exposing falsehoods and revealing truths about 9/11. Our function is like that of accountants or auditors and analogous to that of “Consumer Reports”. We are conducting our own research to determine whether or not the government’s account is true.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmThe Dems should make a commercial with the several video bits where Bush and minion either strongly implied or flat-out stated a link between Iraq and AQ, then play that narrow bit from where Bush pauses at the interruption through the word “nuthin’!”. Over and over “Nuthin!” Nuthing!” “Nuthin!”
August 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmAttention PROGS – “**Blue-Light Special – “K-Mart is featuring our tin-foil hats for the next five minutes”
August 21st, 2006 at 2:03 pmGullible Americans
By Paul Craig Roberts
08/14/06 “Information Clearing House” — –
I was in China when a July Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country, and that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with Al Qaeda.
The Chinese leaders and intellectuals with whom I was meeting were incredulous. How could a majority of the population in an allegedly free country with an allegedly free press be so totally misinformed?
The only answer I could give the Chinese is that Americans would have been the perfect population for Mao and the Gang of Four, because Americans believe anything their government tells them.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:03 pmAttention PROGS – “**Blue-Light Special – “K-Mart is featuring our tin-foil hats for the next five minutesâ€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 21, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Absolutely pathetic.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:04 pmLook, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you’re stupid. Did you hear that? -stupid.â€
Arthur Sylvester, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, 1965
August 21st, 2006 at 2:05 pmOn March 21, 2003 Bush sent a letter to Congress stating his reason for Iraq war. It was, to take “actions against those nations, organizations, orpersons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001″.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030321-5.html
August 21st, 2006 at 2:06 pmWas Clinton put down because he was a liar by the God-fearing Republicans? You know, a president should never lie to its citizens? Are the Republicans working out of a parallel universe or what? No, the S.O.Bs know what they thinking and saying: “SCREWED THE AVERAGE AMERICANS ‘TIL WE GET ALL WE CAN GET. HAH!”
August 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmMA – TROLL DROPPINGS = YUK
August 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmLook’s like “Santo” has decided to visit us. Sigh…
August 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmAnyway, boy-oh-boy! Somebody slipped up BIG TIME!! His frantic, and obvious, scrambling about to recover only highlights the extent to which he realized it. Of course we will soon be treated to an endless stream of justifications about what by he ‘really meant’ by that, with some ‘he was taken out of context’ remarks that they are so fond of. I wonder if the soldiers serving in Iraq will get to see this story. Something tells me it ‘ain’t gonna happen’, it wouldn’t be good for morale, don’t you know.
138. GTH.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:08 pmit wasn’t meant to be.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:09 pmJust visited A. K. Dewdney’s article on http://physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm
August 21st, 2006 at 2:14 pmThanks for the info.
No one ever said we were at war with Eastasia.
Paging Winston Smith, Winston Smith, please return to your desk immediately.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:15 pm[...] It’s getting to the point with this administration that they don’t even try to cover up lies anymore — they’re just going to deny they ever said it. Case is point is beautifully captured in video by the good people at ThinkProgress.org. BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 2:18 pmWhoever was the first to say ‘no brain – no pain’ was watching this idiot at the time.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:20 pmSandy:
I see up-thread that you were wanting me to answer a question about 9/11, but for the life of me, I can’t ascertain what question you were asking me to respond to.
Please post your question and I’ll give it a shot.
Thanks.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:21 pmhttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/140133_bushiraq18.html
Welcome to 2003.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:22 pmPetros, good job on tracking down the lying lies and the liars that tell them!
August 21st, 2006 at 2:23 pmAt this rate, it really will just be a piece of paper.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:29 pmImpeach Bush!
August 21st, 2006 at 2:32 pmI smell blood.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:35 pmMaDaschle – exposing himself – - – – as an ideologue AND an idiot….
August 21st, 2006 at 2:37 pmBush speaks the truth. The motivations for provoking this occupation and the way it was implemented is what we need to be discussing. Controlling oil flow of the world’s second largest reserve…conducting neo-con “free-market economic experiment” using iraq as their pitre dish… and let’s not forget creating the largest conspiracy to defraud the american tax by transfering billions of dollars to the military industrial complex…
August 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pmRoll the campaign footage:
BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens
QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?
BUSH: Nothing.
Play it, say it, display it, relay it any way it can be.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:44 pmWhy isn’t the mainstream media all over this like they are Jon Benet and on that topic daily kos IS running the most powerful political cartoon ever by De Rosier. 132,000 troops in Iraq for Bush’s Lies thats all that matters. Why have WE allowed Bush to do this??
August 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pm“**Blue-Light Special – “K-Mart is featuring our tin-foil hats for the next five minutesâ€
Comment by MA — August 21, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Absolutely pathetic. Comment by RealBScientist — August 21, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
I’ll buy two of them! – Comment by amstrong”
*******Progs, They make GREAT gifts….
August 21st, 2006 at 2:51 pm“freedom agenda” christ everytime I hear the word “freedom” I think bush. What a horrible age we are all in.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:51 pm#
Plunger my question to you is
With all the info’s you posted for the past year,and keep posting, did you ever asked yourself why nobody is moving a finger? And if nobody is moving a finger why are you keep posting so many info’s? What’s the point? Information or disinformation?
Comment by Sandy — August 21, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
I’ll assume that English is not your first language (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
What is the point of educating the American Public about the truth of 9/11?
You’re kidding, right?
If the American Public knew the entire truth about 9/11, the present Administration and its entire Cabinet would already be in prison and we would have no troops in Iraq.
We are about to nuke Iran and launch another war on bogus pretense – after Cheney attacks us yet again with another False Flag operation – quite likely by flying jumbo jets into nuclear containment vessels at power plants in three major US cities thereby causing the “Chernobyl Effect.”
To say that my efforts are having no effect is not true. People like myself are causing more and more individuals to do their own research. That’s all I ask. Do your own research. Don’t believe a word the government tells you. Assume the opposite of what they say is true.
Today is the perfect example.
Bush said that the Administration never claimed that “Saddam never ordered the attacks of 9/11.”
No one ever accused the Administration of implying that specifically.
He denied something he had never been charged with in the hopes that you would THINK he said that no one in his administration made any efforts to convince over 65% of the American People that Iraq had a direct relationship with Al Qaeda – and by extension – Bin Laden & 9/11.
Remember the Plame Leak fiasco?
Bush’s quote was:
“Anyone found to have leaked Classified Information from within my Administration will be TAKEN CARE OF.”
He didn’t say they’d be fired…he said they’d be “TAKEN CARE OF.”
They have been. Rove is fully protected.
Why do I keep posting the truth about 9/11?
Because those responsible are not in jail yet, and my country is about to suffer a false flag attack and the implementation of Martial Law – and Dictatorship.
Why aren’t more people posting about the truth of 9/11 – 24/7?
August 21st, 2006 at 2:52 pmThe war on terror, you can’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror – GW Bush
It’s not surprising many people believed, that there was a link between Saddam and Bin Laden, when he uses this type of rhetoric.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:53 pmSandy sez:
Plunger go back and look at the board The darkside of VP Cheney on Raw Story, and read your comments, then you know why i am asking that question.
Sandy, I looked through the Raw Story boards, but I couldn’t find that thread…could you post a link?
August 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pmIf that is true, then why did 60% of the people think Saddam was involved in the attacks? Why do, even now, 45% of the people think that is so?
August 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pm.
You have to keep reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney, have power. The thread running through their ruminations is the importance of the media: “the prioritized task of bringing on board journalists of repute to accept our position”.
“Our position” is code for lying. Certainly, as a journalist, I have never known official lying to be more pervasive than today. We may laugh at the vacuities in Tony Blair’s “Iraq dossier” and Jack Straw’s inept lie that Iraq has developed a nuclear bomb (which his minions rushed to “explain”). But the more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack on Iraq and linking it to would-be terrorists who are said to lurk in every Tube station, are routinely channelled as news. They are not news; they are black propaganda.
http://www.newstatesman.com/200212160005
“Television is altering the meaning of “being informed” by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation… Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information – misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information – information that creates the illusion of knowing something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing.”
Neil Postman
SENATOR GRAHAM CALLS FOR ACTION AGAINST AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH BUSH
NAT PARRY, CONSORTIUM NEWS – Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations — Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy. “The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat. “Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1329
“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
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August 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pmplunger:
You seem reasonably well informed about the details of 9/11…would you happen to have any other links to information about the remote-control capabilities of the 757s and 767s that I referenced here? I’m always on the lookout for more information.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pmWHO BRAINWASHED THE TROOPS IN IRAQ?
How is it that according to a recent Zogby Poll, nearly 85% of active duty troops in Iraq actually came to believe that they are there specifically to avenge the attacks of 9/11?
What type of active PsyOps program was approved by Rumsfeld to ensure this result to motivate these troops in this way?
When these atrocities were committed, did the guilty troops actually believe that they were taking revenge for the attacks of 9/11?
Was that their mindset?
If so, how did that come to be?
What role has Rumsfeld played in allowing the myth to be perpetuated throughout the military – that we are in Iraq specifically to avenge the (FALSE FLAG) attacks against the United States on 9/11?
How does our Defense Department set about demonizing an entire race of people to make them easier to kill?
How was that message SOLD to the troops?
They SOLD us a terror attack.
They SOLD us a war.
They SOLD the troops a lie to motivate them.
RUMSFELD = WAR CRIMINAL
August 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmSandy sez:
Well, if you’re unable to provide a link, could you at least post some salient points?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:01 pmDamning. Finita la musica baby. Bush is toast and he will be impeached.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pm#
plunger:
You seem reasonably well informed about the details of 9/11…would you happen to have any other links to information about the remote-control capabilities of the 757s and 767s that I referenced here? I’m always on the lookout for more information.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 21, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
#
According to the US Government’s own website which is specifically designed to debunk conspiracy theories:
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jun/28-581634.html
With regard to the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Meyssan ignores or dismisses the facts that:
“THE GOVERNMENT DECLARES):
“Boeing commercial aircraft can not be remotely controlled”
This assertion is false.
Dov Zakheim was the Pentagon’s comptroller and CFO during 9/11. Over $2 trillion is unaccounted for during his tenure. He was (is?) Corporate VP at System Planning Corporation, a major player in the “Homeland Security” industry. One of the products that SysPlan sells is the Command Transmitter System, a remote control system for planes, boats, missiles and other vehicles2 . It’s highly customable and configurable to interface with an almost limitless number of vehicle types.
The CTS is a tunable UHF FM transmitter designed for ground use in controlling guided missiles, pilotless aircraft and pilotless boats.
Many takeoff and lending tests were performed using this system on a commercial size Boeing aircraft under the supervision of Raytheon in the days prior to 9/11.
If the pilot is not in direct control and another mechanism is controlling (not just receiving passive signals or sensing) the craft, especially from GPS, it is effectively ‘remotely’ controlled. The link between ground crews, GPS and aircraft have been established. It’s not a cruise control and it’s not a radio controlled toy car. We’re talking FULL avionics AND navigation from take-off to touch down controlled and guided by a known and documented satellite link. “A fully integrated flight management computer system (FMCS) provides for automatic guidance and control of the 757-200 from immediately after takeoff to final approach and landing. Linking together digital processors controlling navigation, guidance and engine thrust, the flight management system assures that the aircraft flies the most efficient route and flight profile for reduced fuel consumption, flight time and crew workload. The precision of global positioning satellite (GPS) system navigation, automated air traffic control functions, and advanced guidance and communications features are now available as part of the new Future Air Navigation System (FANS) flight management computer.” This technology could effectively PREVENT the hijack of aircraft. Any deviation from the course would trigger the system and someone would know about it. We’re working to verify if American Airlines does have this technology installed in any of its fleet. Suppose they do have this technology installed… Why not key in a coordinate or code to have a hijacked aircraft automatically land at a predesignated, properly prepared airfield prepped for such eventualities. I can only assume that our “planners” do indeed think in terms of hostile contingencies and have this scenario worked out. This all begs the questions: why wasn’t this critical technology used, or was it abused?
http://www.humanunderground.com/11september/pent-feasible.html
DOV ZAKHEIM:
The CEO of Systems Planning’s international division, Dov Zakheim, is a long-time DoD and Republican Party insider, and a founding member of the Neoconservative cult. While Bush was still Governor of Texas, Zakheim became one of his closest advisers, counseling him on defense technology and strategic aspects of Middle Eastern affairs. After the 2000 “election,” Rummy rewarded Zakheim with a low-profile but strategically important position — Comptroller, i.e. head money man, of the Defense Department.
Zakheim also co-authored the Heritage Foundation’s infamous tract, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses,” in which the Bush Administration’s entire design for renewed global conquest was laid down a full year prior to 9-11. On page 63, the authors note that timely implementation of their ideas would require “some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
see for yourself:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Dov S. Zakheim was sworn in as the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and Chief Financial Officer for the Department of Defense on May 4, 2001.
Left the Bush Administration in mid-2004 for Booz Allen.
How Does Zakheim Fit In ?
He helped mold the Mid-East policy, and controlled the Pentagon purse strings.
Thanks to him, Israel, and their militia (Turkey), are awash in F-15’s, F-16’s, and the latest in offensive and defensive missile systems. Israel has a space program, ICBM’s, nukes, and lots more.
Zakheim, who is a dual Israeli/American citizen and a Shul Rabbi, has stalked the halls of US government for 25 yrs. He has set defense policy which influenced Presidents Reagan, Clinton and Bush Sr. and Jr. This rabid Zionist was the controller of the Pentagon when an audit discovered over a trillion dollars was missing.
Most of Israel’s armament was obtained thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified as military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.
Zakheim is a rabid Zionist, who carries an Israel passport and is considered to be one of the top members of the secretive Illuminati . He predicts 9/11 and by sheer coincidence the Pentagon is hit by a remote controlled jet (Zakheim’s ‘ SPC ‘ corporation is the premier company in the field).
http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS
During his tenure as controller at the Pentagon from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004, over one trillion dollars was unaccounted for.
Military information is jeopardized, military contractors billed the US for Israeli items, $50 million fighter jets are classified as surplus and the list goes on and on. As the scandal of the missing trillion dollars surfaces the Rabbi quickly resigns.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pmSandy sez:
???
Sandy, how exactly do you plan on accomplishing that?
Again, just a few salient points would be fine.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pmThis has got to be in Democratic ads from now until election day.
Even with his tortured “explanation,” it is totally damning.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:05 pmIraq had nothing to do with September 11th.
For once, George Bush has agreed with me.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:05 pm[...] Read it and weep. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 3:07 pmVICE PRES. CHENEY: I’m not here today to make a specific allegation that Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11. I can’t say that. On the other hand, since we did that interview, new information has come to light. And we spent time looking at that relationship between Iraq, on the one hand, and the al-Qaeda organization on the other. And there has been reporting that suggests that there have been a number of contacts over the years. We’ve seen in connection with the hijackers, of course, Mohamed Atta, who was the lead hijacker, did apparently travel to Prague on a number of occasions. And on at least one occasion, we have reporting that places him in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official a few months before the attack on the World Trade Center. The debates about, you know, was he there or wasn’t he there, again, it’s the intelligence business.
Dick lost his control of his puppet or something.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:12 pmMA – PROJECTING AGAIN –
MAN?????????? I don’t think so.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pmplunger:
The humanunderground.com link you provided is broken…other than that, thanks. Good info.
In your personal assessment, what do you believe impacted the Pentagon on 9/11?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:15 pmSandy:
Looks like you’ve got all my best stuff saved in one place.
Plenty there to read and consider.
As always, I invite evidence to refute anything I post.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:17 pmSandy:
Thanks for the link….now what was the point you were trying to make?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:17 pmThis man , this georges bush has all the characteristic of a psychopath . WE WILL NOT LEAVE IRAQ UNDER MY WATCH . So he says . Like Hitler who took his people into the abyss,he wants to take us down . Where is everybody , comgress , the media, all busy , on vacation raising money or with the jonbonet affair.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:19 pmPlunger – Discussing war, politics, and/or economy with “UNCAPITALIST” quotes is like asking a vampire to vouch for sunlight or garlic….. I’m with sandy – plunger would be a terrific federal informant or undercover agent.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:20 pmDoes anyone understand Sandy?
Who is Santo?
Just a troll.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:23 pmWe needed to attack Iraq to help out our friend Khameni; Saddam was really starting to get on Iran’s nerves.
That’s after we took out the Taliban, who were beginning to make noises about expanding into Iran.
…and while we were at it, the price of oil was too low to fund a nuclear research program.
…and the IDF was getting too full of themselves…
August 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmsandy sez:
Two things:
1) That link is the same one you provided earlier,
August 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pm– and –
2) In the document you linked to, plunger derided Santo as a ‘troll’. Saying this is proof that plunger ‘knew’ santo is like saying I ‘know’ Seixon. Unless you can substantiate your claim that “in the old times they were burning witches”, you might want to just save your time and move on.
Jackie #57, great post……Say do you have any proof or source to the bush, condi affair.? The reason I am asking is this…..The red states, extreme fundamentalist christians and sleepy non voters would not be happy campers to have that made public. You know, like all the holier than thou trolls and roaches here, they don’t care chimp and crew lie, kill, steal us blind and break all the law’s of the constitution but let one of their own have an extra marital affair or a dem. fool around and they go insane….Think it’s the jealiousy factor…..They don’t get any and don’t want any one else to either……LOL….Those of us on the left know it’s not true, they do have sex, were just not as preoccupied with it……Who is the guy that is the white house whore.? And who is his buddy.? I’m serious we need this info, way things are going probably the only way to get bull shit booted……….Blessings……..P.S. any one know if Laura has a boyfriend and who it is.?……
August 21st, 2006 at 3:28 pmsandy, santo, many others
appear to have the single purpose of disrupting conversation.
this appears to be an internet republican ploy being utilized.
i could only speculate that reasoning is simular to desired outcome of free speech zones, combined with the hint of instilling anti-trust and confusion amongst contributors, and potential contributors, of the site (remember the abby hoffman days).
it’s best not to feed the animals.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pmDoes anybody find it creepy to hear a sitting president talk about a “freedom agenda”? I feel like I am listening to Krushchev.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pm“Freedom Agenda” yes, very creepy.
They can’t even define victory in the “war on terror”, assholes.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:34 pmChaos By Design:
Where Iraq is concerned, the mission is precisely ON PLAN.
Bush is lying when he says that things have not turned out as he had hoped. His hope, and indeed the Neocon’s Plan, was to create a Quagmire – to ensure Permanent Bases – PERIOD.
This is not a theory, this is a FACT.
THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS “OCCUPATION”…FOREVER.
The Plan also calls for depopulation.
They are ON PLAN.
They are happy that you believe that someone named Al Zarkawi actually exists.
They are happy that you believe that someone named Bin Laden actually exists.
They are happy that you believe that Muslims are the cause of all terror.
They are happy that you have not studied the tactics of False Flag Attacks and what their political purpose is.
They are happy that you are distracted (by design) to a new topic every day.
They are happy that you think this is all the result of incompetence and poor planning. This is precisely what Rove wants you to believe.
They have created a no win situation, with no way out…BY DESIGN!
You think they are incompetent and stupid because that is what they WANT YOU TO THINK.
We are in opposite world. LITERALLY NOTHING is as it appears.
NOTHING.
Get your head around that and stop assuming that these people are anything less than pure evil.
It is a grand conspiracy. Admitting it is going to save you a whole lot of ranting and raving about how stupid and incompetent they are.
Bush is just the front man for a very well orchestrated plan to alter your sense of reality.
Remember this from Ron Suskind?
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend – but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101704A.shtml
DID YOU THINK HE WAS KIDDING?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmSandy:
I assume it was me you just accused of lying.
Give one specific example with evidence, facts and links to support your assertion.
If something I have written is untrue, I’ll welcome having it corrected with the facts.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:41 pmyes, we will.
and, schitzo one, those that read the between your lines will see to whom full force effort is being applied by.
each human will be able to formulate their own conclusions.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:44 pmFor an outstanding assessment of the Occupation of Iraq, please read
August 21st, 2006 at 3:44 pm7 Facts You Might Not Know About the Iraq War
By Michael Schwartz
at
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/082106M.shtml
As always, any legitimate critique of anything I write is invited – supported by links and facts.
Personal attacks are usually all that result from such an invitation.
Research is hard work.
Google: “Dancing Israelis”
See what you learn.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:45 pmThis is what we call a little Freudian slip, yah?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:47 pmNothing to worry about.
Ok. Time is up. See you next week.
Even though the Chimp has now said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 I’m willing to bet that tomorrow the polls will show that 50% of Americans still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:49 pmWhose war is it?
What exactly is happening in Iraq and whose war is it, anyway?
The U.S. military-industrial complex earned billions and billions of dollars during the Vietnam War. This was the main objective of the major stockholders, and they didn’t care who won the war on the ground.
Now it seems that history is repeating itself, since the U.S. military-industrial complex is earning billions from the war in Iraq, with U.S. taxpayers footing the bill.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:51 pmUh, Sandy:
If you read through the link you provided of my stuff on Raw Story, you will note that Santo was merely a troll on that thread.
Whatever broader point you are attempting to make is lost on me.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:52 pm“Sandy” is “Santo”. You can tell who it is by the contents of the posts. It is not worth replying to. Now watch what happens next.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:54 pm#72, I did not ready everything between your post and here, but Bright Star is either an annual or semi annual exercise run tby the military and has been run by them for as long as I can remember.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:55 pmPlunger – have you ever read “None dare call it conspiracy” by Gary Allen?
August 21st, 2006 at 3:58 pmThe insinuations out of this administration and out of Lieberman have been that Iraq was directly connected to 9/11.
Does anyone remember that C-Span scene, where Colin Powell sits in front of the UN, showing maps, holding up recordings of Iraqi talk which were supposed to be about WMDs, discussing the large mobile hidden WMDS, and then the SOTUS about their getting aluminum from Africa? All trying to say they too would be coming over here.
And the sad part is, you will have those uninformed, simple Americans who will believe all this !
August 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pmOrwellian doublespeak at it’s best , makes me want to defect to a peace loving country instead of this seemingly neo facist state that was once the standard of freedom in the world
August 21st, 2006 at 4:17 pmYep, me too. I’m actually quite conservative about a lot of things.
August 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pmPlunger – FYI the “Dancing Israelis” has been DE-bunked – - keep trying…..The website I really liked was killtown – they cut right to the conspiracy chase –
THE ONLY REASON FIVE MOSSAD AGENTS WOULD BE DANCING – IF THEEEEEYY WERE IN ON IT……. Who knew???
Should you recieve any invitations to Rosh Hoshanah, might I suggest you politely decline them…..we’ wopuldn’t want you to be uncomfortable around a bunch of happy Jews….
August 21st, 2006 at 4:28 pmmighty aphrodite sez:
Care to back up that assertion?
On what dates is Rosh Hoshanah celebrated? And what are the traditional dances performed?
August 21st, 2006 at 4:37 pmbtw, I wonder when the Mea Culpa will be coming out of the White House to France and Germany. The only two sane countries who would not join them in this illegal invasion and occupation !
August 21st, 2006 at 4:38 pmDRX C4 sez:
Well, it wasn’t Protestants that were laughing, jumping, and exchanging high-fives while filming the destruction of the WTC towers on 9/11…
August 21st, 2006 at 4:44 pm[...] I’m almost sorry I missed it: BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 4:44 pmIt’s about time… the neocons have consistently lied about the real reasons for going to war, and actually were able to use the fear generated to get re-elected. They would constantly utter “9-11″, and “Sadaam Hussein” in almost the same breath. Plus, Sadaam’s massacre of the Kurds happened practically under the nose of our troops. We did nothing to help them. I believe it was part of a grand plan to justify a later removal of Sadaam. So much Iraqi blood is on our hands – I can hardly imagine how Arabs can respect our country.
August 21st, 2006 at 4:54 pmHow many trolls have argued that Iraq was collaberating with Al Queda on this board. Between today’s admission Iraq is in a civil war by hegal and Bush admitting Iraq had nothing to do with Al Queda and 9-11, these trolls should be ashamed and if smart enough turn on the idiot who lead them down this primrose path.
August 21st, 2006 at 4:59 pmWatching a person self destruct by trying to cover their stupid ass lies is kind of entertaining. Boy does this little man bushy get all kinds of upset when someone calls his lies doesn’t he?
August 21st, 2006 at 4:59 pm[...] Think Progress has the scoop – Bush confirms that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11. BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 5:22 pmDear Monkey Tripe – When plunger bases the Israel connection argument on the same “article” pasted and re-pasted over and over and over at: aljazeera, conspiracy planet, killtown,angelsfortrithwhatreallyhappened, etc. it doesn’t pass the sniff test. NOT one of these sites provide a shred of evidence – but LOTS of OPINION…
But my personal favourite STOOOOPid attribution/link was the quote at all those sites by Benjamin Netanyahu (paraphrasing): Yippeee, the US got hit!! Now they’ll be MORE on our side!! (Gee, monkey tripe and plunger, you think so???) It sort of reminds me of Winston Churchills purported statement after Pearl Harbor. How many of you conspiracy-wacks KNOW Great Britain had SOMETHING to do with 12/7/1941….
August 21st, 2006 at 5:23 pmSO WHAT !!! has the war in Iraq done for you ??? if you cannot find an answer you are correct …
August 21st, 2006 at 5:25 pm9/11 could have been prevented .. except we needed a reason to invade Iraq and the BUshes were prepared from the wars years of Reagan and before.. the team of RUMMY BIG DICK BUSH and the the rest had it figured out until they realized they had no exit strategy….
F*ck impeachment!!! Storm the Bastille(White House) and take these bastards straight to the guillotine!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 5:45 pm#86 madashell; Are they f*cking serious?
August 21st, 2006 at 5:57 pm[...] Think Progress – Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing] To Do With 9/11 [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 6:03 pm[...] read more | digg story [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 6:08 pm[...] President Bush has finally acknowledged that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on September 11, 2001. You can watch a video of the exchange here. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 6:10 pm9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 iraq 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 iraq 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 iraq 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 iraq iraq 9/11 9/11 iraq 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:12 pmHis nose will be so long, he won’t be able to GET out of the White House.
And Republicans were upset about Clinton lies?????
“When Clinton lied, no one died”
August 21st, 2006 at 6:13 pmOkay I can understand Mr. president point, that we have to attack our enemies before they attack us, the reality is with this philosophy we will create more enemies to attack, can we mange that?
August 21st, 2006 at 6:13 pmCan we impeach him now????? Can we shoot him for treason now???? Gonzales do you stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 6:19 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — August 21, 2006 @ 12:12 pm
Bush cannot be impeached because supposedly he is the Man of God and if you impeach him, you would be up in arms against God so impeachment is now heresy and sacrilege…Isn’t it great that a liar and a war-criminal can hide behind God to create a false sense of leadership and being chosen by God?
August 21st, 2006 at 6:21 pm[...] Like the world of 1984, Geroge Bush has Fox News. Unlike 1984, there are other news outlets which sometimes hold Bush accountable, and there is the blogoshere which consistently prevent the truth from falling down the memory hole. Think Progress and Talking Points Memo both reveal the dishonesty of the Bush Administration on the relationship between Saddam and al Qaeda, each providing links to different sources to back this up. Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidIntelligent Thought on EvolutionHoward Dean Pledges to Balance Budget if Democrats Take CongressOsama Loves WhitneyThe Bush InterventionThe Bush Secrets [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 6:22 pmsurprise surprise surprise Not even Gomer Pile believed this war was anything but one man’s mission….Okay Clinton was a sleaze and a dirty old man and maybe a bit of a woossy but things ran better when he was in office and we weren’t in a war that is draining our budget dry and stretching our military to the bone …For the record I loved Bush Sr. He as smarter tougher in every way that counted and he knew when to quit. I was a bit upset about the way he handled Somalia but at least he knew when to quit
August 21st, 2006 at 6:23 pm…and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands… and when do you think that we will ever get that back??? I agree, STORM the Bastille. We must flush the filth from the Brown House and make it a White House again!!!!! I want my REPUBLIC back!!! I want my Constitution back!!! I want my Bill of Rights back!!! I want my freedom back!!!
8 AM Ground Zero New York City Black T-Shirts with Investigate 9/11 or some 9/11 writing or just a black t-shirt for solidarity. We will be there to honor the 3000 murdered souls. No demonstrating or outreaches. We will have cameras to document any trouble to prove that we did nothing wrong so that the infilitrators will be weeded out. 9/11 truthers… BE THERE!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 6:25 pmAs I srcrolled through the above, I saw three differne posts that said “Plunger?”
Is is awfully difficult to communicate in wholes sentences?
If you want me to respond to a particular question, try an entire sentence.
As for the story of the “Dancing Israelis,” anyone who says it did not happen is totally lying through their teeth.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:28 pmBush is back to drinking and in a drunken stupor told the truth today, it’ll get better when the secret service hides all the sauce and they start him back on his ritalin.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:29 pm“God is WATCHING YOU!”
Actually he’d rather watch seinfield and friends, actually tbs in general. Why do think the world is chaos.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:31 pmClearly this scumbag is sick, and demented and beyond the point of rehab. A dry drunk with neurotic tendencies would be a mild analysis from a lay person even, not a Ken Lay person, who took the pipe a la Godfather II to protect this scumbags millions made for him and his cabal in TX…act now to stop this madman
August 21st, 2006 at 6:37 pmGod is actually a 24 year old stoner who works in construction. We live together. No! Were not Gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 6:40 pmHow many of you conspiracy-wacks KNOW Great Britain had SOMETHING to do with 12/7/1941????? Hmmmm…..
August 21st, 2006 at 6:41 pm[...] read more | digg story [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 6:41 pmMay I suggest that everyone visit the site titled:The Memory Hole. You can find it listed on the Truthdig site. It depicts the tragic consequences of an unwise leader. Mr. Bush should understand and be reminded that these young soldiers – men and women, will go through the rest of their lives severely maimed because Mr. Bush thought that he had some macho agenda to push in Iraq. Mr. Bush should be impeached, along with his staff who support the Iraq debacle. We need to bring our people home immediately, but instead Mr. Bush is seeing to it that we are building permanent military bases in Iraq. What in the world is wrong with this congress who support this president right or wrong. America is in a mess. Where is our former message of truth justice and benevolence.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:44 pm#317
Just because you typed in bold, I decided to ignore your comment.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:49 pm“How many of you conspiracy-wacks KNOW Great Britain had SOMETHING to do with 12/7/1941????? Hmmmm…..”
They were republicans.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:54 pmand democrats, along with alex jones. Shit, that does’nt make any sense.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:57 pmFred Weberis probably thinking what I am thinking, ie; the problem is no longer the government, but the people.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:58 pmBetween posts #238 and #336 “Santo-Sandy, et;al” was responsible for at least 58 of them. Do not respond, it’s not worth the effort.
August 21st, 2006 at 6:59 pmTHE ONLY BUSH I TRUST IS MY OWN
August 21st, 2006 at 6:59 pm“The jews will let us know when he comes!”
What with smoke signals? I like to make those. I can have conversations with people without wasting my minutes. Eat that, t mobile!!
August 21st, 2006 at 7:01 pmHere’s a beautiful collection of links from Jon Gold’s YBBS forum.
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August 21st, 2006 at 7:03 pm#
Plunger i asked you if you have something to say about the carrier used by the callers from the airplane, you seem to know a lot detailes on 911 , perhaps you know that too.
Comment by amstrong — August 21, 2006 @ 6:30 pm
If you are referring to cell phone calls made, it was virtually impossible to make a cell phone call from an aircraft at anything approaching cruising alltitude.
Every pilot knows this to be true.
Given this fact – the official story changes considerably.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:03 pmHere’s a beautiful collection of links from Jon Gold’s YBBS forum.
- http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4310
August 21st, 2006 at 7:05 pmOver 350 posts already and barely a peep out of the trolls. Most likely consulting KKK Rove on talking points before their invasion here.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:11 pmThe lying bastard.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:30 pmMighty Cellulitey is all glib and flip because of all of the awesome and incredible successes of her neocon heroes. Did anyone hear about Afghanistan’s record opium harvest!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 7:31 pm[...] You can even ask George Bush: QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it? [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 7:33 pm[...] Cool Stuff: Bush: "Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11" (duh) – Funny stuff, right from the horse’s shit-filled mouth. Here’s what it boils down to: "No, Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks, but we’ve gotta get them fuckers before they get us! Yeeehaw!" Man crosses 16 lanes of highway – Yeah this is a stupid video and not really worthy of being here, but let’s just admit it: It’s pretty funny to see someone get hit by a car. NY Times states the obvious: crossing sign buttons don’t do anything – Oh there’s so much fun to be had with this one – imagine the awesome "the government’s doing experiments on us like lab rats!" conspiracy theories! [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 7:46 pm“the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize,â€
To Pres Bush (not my pres)
Now that’s a good one, frat boy bush, if you had learned how to read in school instead of blowing up frogs, then maybe, just maybe you would have read the memo of August 6, 2001 and if you had had some mental maturiity at the time, you would have followed through with action that would have made our airports and airplanes more secure. But NO, you had to go play golf instead. Today’s statement is like closing the barn door after the horse escapes. And, frat boy, you better have your doctor checks your meds. You were a bit testy with the press today.
Signed: Returning Coffins draped with flags from Iraq because you sent our solders off to die for a lie.
August 21st, 2006 at 7:49 pmLook at the bright side. At least we don’t have to worry about Saddam dropping a nuclear weapon on America, and we don’t have to worry about nut cases trying to blow up airplanes any more
August 21st, 2006 at 7:55 pmWell, well, well. No connection to 9/11 & no WMDs. That makes Bush’s invasion a horrible mistake that the people of this country will be paying for for the next 200 years.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:01 pmLAURA LAURA LAURA……………IS YOUR IGNORANCE BLISS ?
August 21st, 2006 at 8:05 pmYou people did not read the rest of the story or had your fingers in your ears when Bush gave the speech.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:07 pmmighty aphrodite sez:
You dolt.
‘Sniff test’??? The arrest of the Israelis on 9/11 is a matter of public record. Any of those sites you mentioned above have ample links to corroboration. Only a rabid neocon troll like yourself could dismiss reality with such moronic conviction.
How typical. When preented with a choice between repeating a quote verbatim and wildly distorting it via ‘paraphrasing’, mighty aphrodite chooses the latter. Just to keep this discussion honest, let’s have the actual quote from the former Israeli Prime Minister:
Again, like the arrest of the Israelis on 9/11, this is a matter of public record, your hysterical denial of established fact and attempted obfuscation via your perjorative ‘paraphrasing’ notwithstanding.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:12 pmPress Release from We The People Campaign
CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE SLAMS MORE LIES BY BUSH
August 21, We The People Campaign: In his wild Presidential Conference this morning, President Bush continued his legacy of lies, delusions of grandeur and addiction to utterly failed foreign policy. Regarding democracy and civil war in The Middle East, his comments were clearly delusional, reminiscent of fabricated domino theories of a dark past, and therefore clearly dangerous. The President was clearly angry, perhaps mad.
Bush repeatedly and adamantly declared his intent to keep American troops in Iraq indefinitely, stating in almost a shout “We’re not leaving as long as I’m the President!â€.
“With his refusal to even consider a pullout of US troops, the US President has condemned thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis to their deathâ€, states Rev. Werner Lange, independent candidate for US Congress in Ohio’s 14th Congressional District, “The only way now to save precious lives and our national soul is to impeach Bush as soon as possible. I am the only candidate in this race who calls for the impeachment of Bush.â€
“Bush ridiculed those candidates who proclaim, ‘vote for me, I will do everything I can to get us out’. That’s exactly what I say, now much more than ever before.â€
Among his other lies are the statements “our nation is wasting no time in helping the people of Lebanonâ€; fact is the blind support by Bush for Israel is largely responsible for the destruction of Lebanon and crucifixion of her people. “Those who foment violence in Gaza are trying to stop the advance of democracy and thwart the will of the peopleâ€; fact is the Palestinian people voted a government into power which Israel has largely kidnapped and imprisoned in blatant violation of international law and democracy.
“Regarding the damage inflicted upon America’s southern coast by Katrina, Bush said that ‘there’s more work to be done, particularly when it comes to housing’ and that ‘it will take a while to recover’. This is one year after the disaster struck, and the only thing Bush could say about the federal response is ‘the check’s in the mail, maybe’! This does not bode well for the thousands of families on America’s north coast victimized by flooding last month. All the more reason to impeach Bush who is the master of disaster, disaster at home and disaster abroad.â€
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for further information: visit http://www.lange4congress.com
August 21st, 2006 at 8:17 pmpaul hutchins sez:
Well, paul, by all means, fill us in. What did we miss?
August 21st, 2006 at 8:21 pmWow, A website of Bush haters.
I think not one of you writers or commenters have never sudied the full history of all the semetics (Arab & later also the the Jewish as they are both semetics), * then Study the origion and history of Mohamed & his 10 years of war, * then, after Mohamed died, study how the Sheites became that sect & how the Sunnis their sect & others. Study their historical agenda against non-Muslims and the war they actually then have betewwn those sects as well.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:22 pmThen read the Quran…….for all these, Suggestion. Don’t read & study this about Islam in the evening as you will likely not be sleeping if you gain an understanding of the worst elements of Islam. I am hearing that Bush does have a grasp on how this historical movement is trying to manifest itself today. Our times are dangerous, please favor yourself with knowing the histories.
[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/ [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 8:30 pmGreg:
What exactly is the point you’re trying to make here? If your point is that Islam is a bloody and vicious religion, you need to pick up the Bible and see what it has to say on the subject.
All the things you’re implying about Islam can be just as easily applied to Judaism and Christianity. If you disagree with this, you are either misinformed or a liar.
I’ll tell you what: I’ll bet I can come up with more violent, monstrous, and vicious ideas from the Holy Bible than you can from the Qur’an. Care to accept my challenge?
Our times are dangerous, all right…and the Christofascists are the biggest danger of all.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:40 pmBush lied to Congress to start a war. Bush also promoted torture. Now 2,600 of our Nation’s men and women are dead! Now more than 185,000 of our recent war veterans are wounded, injured, and ill enough to get treated at VA hospitals! And Bush wasted up to $2 Trillion on a failed war!
Impeach Bush! Then throw him and his neo-con petty thugs into prison!
Now! Before they use nuclear bombs against Iran.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:41 pmHey put this video on YouTube.com
please !!!!!!!!!!!!! -)
Thanks
August 21st, 2006 at 8:52 pmGreg, of course. A whole bog of people who aren’t as smart as you. Naw, none of us know any history, only you do. Naw, none of us have a reasoned deliberate judgement of the facts, just you do. Hey, kid grow the hell up. Have you not noticed the failed policies in the Middle East. Have you not noticed that there are one billion Muslims on the planet and only a handful of “terrorists”. If according to your theory that Muslims wanted us dead, let’s see one billion against 300million – yeah, I think we’d be dead by now. You need to read history and understand it.
August 21st, 2006 at 8:54 pmI got into it with some holy-roller, and she referred to ALL of the (arab countries in the )middle east as “The Enemy”, I kid you not. This is the mentality of the hard right religious kooks. I told her, “Don’t you realize that’s the same mentality of Hezbolla and their ilk?” She couldn’t think of a response, the dumb-ass…
August 21st, 2006 at 9:01 pmI think anything I could have said has been said here already. Great job!
August 21st, 2006 at 9:03 pmIt is finally coming to pass; spirit is no longer allowing us to lie. Pretty cool eh?
In the Spirit of Crazy Horse!
August 21st, 2006 at 9:07 pm[...] Lefty blogs like “Think Progress” are TPM Muckraker are all jumping out of their Lamont’s Da Man! BVDs about President Bush’s statement today that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 9:09 pmDoes anyone have the complete video of this speech?
What a lying BASTARD!!!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 9:11 pmCut his balls off I say the stupid C#NT!!!
[...] If he says so: BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 9:25 pmIT’S A NATURAL THING! Either you are born with that or you don’t pick it up at school! Get it?
Comment by Sandy — August 21, 2006 @ 9:03 pm
sandy, you are a real fruit cake. You do not have one intelligent thing to post and discuss. Why don’t you go away? Do you have a purpose to be here? I think not. You just like to look at your bull $hit posts. It appears you went to school-didn’t pick it up or picked it up and dropped it -then it bounced back up and it seemed “natural” and Wow that is why you are here. What did I miss.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:27 pmBush said the terrorists did 9/11 because they hated our freedom and wanted to bring fear to the American people…well maybe he was right, because look who HAS been waging fear on the American people and taking away their rights.
They say Iran funds Hezbollah, but coverup the FACT that CIA sister organization Pakistani ISI FUNDED AND CONTROLLED the 9/11 hijackers. The ISI controls al Qaeda, and most likely funded the hijackers as aproxy for the US government.
Now look at the terror threats and “busts”…all hoaxes and provocatuered patsy events.
August 21st, 2006 at 9:37 pmWhen are you Americans gonna learn what we Canadians already knew? Bush is in Iraq for oil and nothing more! He might play the dummy but he knows what he is doing. Lining his and Daddy’s pockets. Wake up America! We might be “laid back” Canadians but we all can see that Bush is an idiot!
August 21st, 2006 at 9:44 pmYou would think, given the massive disapproval of the administration at this point, that large antiwar protests would be planned for the fall. Where is some outrage that the people can see, feel, get a taste of?
August 21st, 2006 at 9:50 pmWould some patriot please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him? Seems destroying the country & the entire world along with war crimes will not do it but by gosh an off-hours BJ will get the attention of congress & the media.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:04 pmThis will be too far down for anyone to notice, but watching this press conference, you could almost feel sorry for Bush. He’s so obviously disturbed and deranged and surrounded…
Anyway, I don’t feel too sorry for him. I feel sorry for the thousands of innocent, comPLETELY innocent Iraqis this psycho has killed and maimed. And I feel sorry for their families and friends and pets. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and the whole lot of them belong in cells in the Hague, the sooner the better for the sake of mankind.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:20 pm[...] Read more.. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 10:20 pm[...] Via [ThinkProgess] [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 10:43 pm- “It [Iraq] has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.”
President Bush, March 17, 2003.
- “The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We’ve removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding.”
President Bush, May 1, 2003.
- “No, we’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th.”
President Bush, September 17, 2004.
For more history of George W. Bush speaking on the Iraq-9/11-Al Qaeda link, see:
August 21st, 2006 at 10:47 pm“Bush on Iraq: That Was Then, This Is Now.”
[...] Yes, that’s old news. Old news that is to everyone except bush sycophants, toadies, neocon opportunists and Joe Lieberman (but I repeat myself). But bush actually said it today. That is he said it right after he used the very kind of sentence construction he and his ilk have used repeatedly to reinforce the belief that, by golly, Iraq was involved in 9/11. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 10:48 pmIt’s really not that shocking……..”leaders” like money……..followers give money……..followers run out of money…….”leaders” stage an attack to scare the hell out of us so we will not ask too many questions when notions like “Iraq has nothing to do with this.”come into play. Now it is too late to stop the flow of blood and/or oil……so they get comfortable.Even if they DO get kicked out of office……they will still be disgustingly rich. I say confiscate all assets seeing as how they were laundered and all, and give it to all the people they bent over and the families of those (both sides) that they have murdered.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:48 pmHow can bush or any of that band of thugs in the administration look at themselves in the mirror each morning.
August 21st, 2006 at 10:54 pm“…don’t think Jebus loves you….or he wouldn’t give you Bush as a president twice.” Newsflash Sandy……t’wasn’t Jebus……….it was you and me(and we)(though for my part…I vote democrap)
August 21st, 2006 at 10:58 pmwhere is the united states? what have happened to you? why did you re-elect mr bush???
all the world is disappointed!!!!
August 21st, 2006 at 11:03 pmAfter reading most of the comments here I clicked on to see the news conference. It appears to me that Bush was saying Iraq had “nothing” to do with 911 in terms of ordering the strike. It’s amazing one word can be said and blown all out of proportion. Let’s go back to pre 911, 2001. USS Cole, World Tower bombings one, marine barracks in Beirut, Taliban and Saddam ruling, Mulah’s strength growing from the Carter debacle to present, Spain bombings, Indonesia bombings, constant attacks on Israel. Yes, let’s put our head in the sand longer so a future generation (if not the next one) will have to deal with the cancerous scourge of Islamic fundamentalism that is set to engulf the world. You appeasers and peaceniks really blow me away with your lack of world events and history. This scourge has been growing in spite of us, not because of us. One day you’ll wake up and acknowledge the weaknesses of ALL of our presidents, republican or democrat, over the past 40 years who worked policy to cater to your whiney ass.. We’ll then get the alpha male this country needs but it might be too late….
August 21st, 2006 at 11:05 pmI just read 435 postings from some seriously sick people. Thank god we have a president like George W. Bush to stand up for democracy in this country and throughout the world. The terrorists are out there and Bush Rumfeld Cheney et al are all that is keeping them from attacking America again. Wake up you moroons.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:20 pmThis really isn’t news. Bush never did say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Let’s look at the quote that you refer to:
To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.â€
Either you are really stupid, you don’t understand the English language, you don’t understand simple logic, or you are trying to deceive people. The above quote doesn’t say or even imply that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. And I’m pretty sure that you are not so stupid as to not understand that. Just because he refers to the terrorists who committed the attacks of 9/11 in the same sentence, doesn’t mean that he is implying that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Since you don’t seem to understand simple English, or simple logic, let me explain what he said in very simple terms. He stated the following:
a) invading Iraq (which I oppose by the way) was consistent with the war against terrorists and terrorist organizations (the implication being that Iraq was essentially a terrorist state, or supported terrorists (a fact which could easily be argued based on Saddam funding suicide bombers in Israel), b) terrorist organizations INCLUDE the nations, organizations, persons that were involved in 9/11. What he did NOT say is that the 9/11 terrorists were from Iraq, were trained in Iraq, or had anything to do with Iraq. The real issue is whether or not Iraq was a strong enough threat that invasion was warranted (something which I would dispute). However, YOUR argument is very weak. You appear to be either very biased or unintelligent.
By the way, justification for invading Iraq (according to Public law 107-243 passed by Congress before the war) included many justifications (including the WMD suspicion). Those justifications included violations of UN resolutions, past uses of WMD, invasion of Kuwait, etc. Most of these justifications have proven to be true, and very few of Congress voted against it. So I believe that they share the responsibility for invading Iraq when we probably didn’t need to.
It seems obvious to me that Islamic terrorists are at war with us. They come from all around the world, and have attacked many countries around the world. I can understand why Bush would justify invading Iraq based on a world wide terror problem. Personally, I don’t believe that Iraq was a top priority, but trying to imply that Bush was trying to mislead people is basically doing exactly what you accuse him of doing. In other words, I’m saying that you are trying to deceive people. You are either doing it intentionally, or you are not very smart.
Why not focus your attention on important issues (like health care, discrimination, environment, excessive government spending, and the global terror threat)? I grew up in Berkeley in the 60s as a liberal, and I am still a registered democrat, but all I hear from my leaders these days are attacks on Bush. I don’t hear any answers to any of the important issues. And the media (like you) seem to be out of control with attack mode, biased, innuendo, and outright lies (the very thing that you accuse Bush of)
August 21st, 2006 at 11:21 pmI totally agree with the Comment by Skeptical. Why did the media not plaster this all over the news, like a state of the union address? That would have been fitting.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:32 pm[...] If you talk enough, eventually you’ll say everything (via Think Progress). Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda†and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,†Bush defiantly answered. [...]
August 21st, 2006 at 11:42 pmFirst off I’m not a republican, I’m a fiscal conservative with a few liberal leaning positions socially. Second my family has 38 military years served in the past 50, so we do our part. Let’s hear about YOUR family service jackass. Third I don’t live in fear, I acknowledge who our enemies are, realize their gain in strength PRE 911 and don’t allow 911 or after or the 90% negative media coverage to discourage me from believing what made this country great can make this world a much safer place. I understand that we’ve made ridiculous alliances, but I also understand that “the enemy of our enemy is our friend” and our way of life has MANY enemies globally, even when these enemy institutions rule people who don’t agree with their stances OR they’ve been brainwashed by a government, leaders and a controlled media far worse than the New York Timeska. I prefer a proactive policy of meeting our enemies on their soil. Israel IS our middle east ally, not any of those other countries. Our economy is fueled by what is under their sand. Therefore we must protect our interests and defend the ideals we were founded on. Of course I wouldn’t expect you to understand , you think we are the bad guys…what a dikwad…
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:07 amWhat Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11? So, THE FRENCH WERE RIGHT!
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:20 amOn another note I’m not a Bush supporter. I”ve been furious with his continually liberal leanings and his obnoxious government spending since after the first year. I do believe if a democrat won the White House (like Clinton) then the tune on that side of the aisle will change immediately as they read daily about the leads and warnings we get on what we are facing. I’ll vote Hillary for prez, better the devil we know than the one we don’t. Maybe the conservative base, both republican AND democrat, will wake up and stop this appeasement and feminism of America…
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 amI’m surprised they even let him speak in public anymore. He is losing whatever tenuous grip he ever had on reality. Watch his eyes in this clip. He is so obviously over his head and he has frankly, lost interest. I knew that in the 2004 debates. He’s a spoiled richboy who has lost interest in the job he was hired to do.
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:32 amthe great neo-con fear experiment of 2001
a mini-play by p-rex.
americans: who broke our windows?
iraq: it wasn’t us!
al qaeda: it wasn’t us! (which is what obl actually said at first)
neighbor kids [little "dick" and clueless george, who live in "that white house" down the street]: five years ago i heard iraq and al qaeda were talking about breaking windows! they hate us for our freedoms! and they’re planning on breaking more windows! we have to stop them!
head of neighborhood security agency [nsa]: we don’t want the next rock to be a mushroom cloud!
americans: what in the hell does that mean?!
head of nsa: don’t mind me, i’ll just go back to playing piano.
americans: are we sure it’s al qaeda or iraq? maybe if we could find the rocks, or look at the broken glass we could figure it out for sure…
clueless george: oh, we cleaned that up already.
little “dick”: yea, it was such a horrible mess — don’t worry about it, we’ve got it all figured out.
americans: hey, neighbor kids — weren’t you supposed to be watching out for our house?
clueless george: yep. and we did the best we could. your problem was that the people that lived here before us — the clintons — they didn’t pay enough attention to this threat.
americans: uh-huh [rolls eyes]. what about you, security guard?
security guard: nobody could’ve guessed they were going to throw rocks through the windows!
americans: you’re not a very good security guard, are you?
little “dick”: how dare you question our integrity! do you want the rock-throwers to win? you just don’t understand the seriousness of this threat of islamofascist rock-throwers. we can’t go on living with a pre-broken window mindset!
[411 days later]
americans: look, we still have a lot of unanswered questions about the broken windows…
clueless george: aw c’mon, i thought we’d settled that! it was al qaeda. oh, and by the way, isn’t it interesting how “iraq” sounds kind of like “a rock”?
americans: what??
clueless george: never mind!
little “dick”: al qaeda and iraq both have the letter ‘q’ in their names.
americans: huh??
clueless george:ok, just to settle this once and for all, i’ll appoint a commission to investigate it. and it just so happens my good friend henry kissinger is available to run the thing.
americans: henry kissinger?! isn’t he wanted for war crimes?
little “dick”: yes, and what an honor that is! it’s even better than getting to say “iraq and al qaeda” in the same sentence for seemingly no reason.
americans: seriously, there is no way henry kissinger, a man best known for covering up crimes, is going to head this investigation. no way.
little “dick”: you do realize that every time you don’t let us have our way, the rock-throwers celebrate, and baby jesus cries forlornly with tears of pain?
americans: what the hell?! do you ever say anything that makes any sense?
little “dick”: i’ll tell you what makes sense — iraq and al qaeda. they sure do sound good when you say them together like that.
americans: seriously, dude, only 18% of us even like you.
little “dick”: maybe we should go hunting sometime. traitors.
[one year later]
british [neighbors around the corner]: hey, americans, you’re really going to attack iraq?
americans: didn’t you know? iraq and al qaeda both have the letter ‘q’ in their names. and everyone knows they talked about throwing rocks together. what’s worse, the neighbor kids and our neighborhood investigator say iraq is developing rocks of mass destruction. even the neighborhood papers are saying it.
british: rmd’s?
neighborhood investigator: it’s a slam dunk!
[three years later]
americans: this isn’t working out at all! we never found any rmd’s.
clueless george: this wasn’t about rmd’s, it was about bringing freedom to the iraqi neighborhood and fighting the war on rock-throwers.
americans: but now there seem to be more rock-throwers than ever!
little “dick”: yes, but clearly they’re in their last throes, if you will.
americans: would you shut up already?!
little “dick”: go f*ck yourselves. we have to stay the course. that means i get to say “iraq and al qaeda” as much as i want.
americans: well, what about al qaeda? or osama bin laden? he seems to have fallen off the map.
clueless george: honestly, i don’t think about him that much.
americans: right. so…how long until you guys move out of that white house?
clueless george: only a couple more years. in the meantime, we’ve decided to make you safer by installing security cameras in your house and bugging your phones.
americans: cameras in our house?! i’m not sure i agree with that…isn’t that against our neighborhood charter?
little “dick”: clearly, you want to give comfort to the rock-throwers.
americans: ARGH! WHATEVER!! maybe we should just go back to watching “lost”. reality tv is nowhere near as stupid as actual reality.
neighbor kids [under their breath]: good!
americans: what?
neighbor kids: nothing! er — iraq and al qaeda!
[unfortunately, not...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:09 amTHE END
[...] Think Progress » Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 Reporter: “What did Iraq have to do with it?” Bush: “What did Iraq have to do with what?” Reporter: “The attack on the World Trade Center.” Bush: “Nothing.” Whoops. Looks like someone slid off the talking points. (tags: military dumbass video neocon politics) [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:11 am“Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.”
dubya is not coming clean in this statement. Note he follows “nothing” with the caveat “Except it’s part of…” Part of what? He never completes that thought.
Then: “Iraq was a…the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize.” Huh? So, can we read that as “perceive a threat before there is a threat”? In that case: Excuse me, I have to go next door and slug my neighbor. Mind you, he hasn’t done anything to me and may not be planning to anything. But, apparently the lesson of 9/11 is that the finer details don’t matter. If you THINK there may EVER be a threat against you, take the guy out! If it’s the wrong guy or there was really no threat, what the hell? When questions are asked, throw out the accusation that the person is “weak” or “loves the terrorists”.
No, today was not a major milestone in the search for truth and accountability. dubya merely managed to display why the real powers that be keep him on a short leash and away from any “open the floor to questions” sessions with the media.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:14 amDefrauding and lying to Congress is an impeachable offense. Not that this is the only one – there is a lie every day – but it should be the one that crystalizes in people’s minds as Iraq decends further into the bloodbath. But, it’s all “birth pangs” of the Greater Middle East, right?
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:35 am#443, wrong, they are the ones causing all the upheavel in the Middle East. They were hoping that the USA would take care of Iraq, Iran and Syria for them and are still trying to get everyone invloved in Lebanon. Canada was on the right side at one time but the new Prime Minister (Harper) seems to be in Bush’s back pocket also.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:43 amA post about an oil pipeline through Afganistan is credible and guess where the oil is destined for after the UN and Nato does all the dirty work occupying these countries.Unfortunately once to start looking at many of the names in very influential places from the govt to the Pentagon you can see where the allegance is. Not for the average US citizen…..
hey dbsdiamonds,
you really blow me away with your incredibly one-sided version of world history. first off, the enmity between islam and christianity goes much further back than 30 years!
furthermore, there’s a lot that isn’t factually correct about your post @ 437:
there’s no proof whatsoever that al qaeda were connected to the spain bombings. in fact, our own fbi admits that we have no hard evidence that connects al qaeda to 9/11.
iran was probably behind beirut. it had nothing to do with al qaeda, which didn’t even exist at that time.
both the taliban and saddam received support in some form from the u.s. government (the taliban got $132 million in 2001, even though we knew they were harboring osama — saddam only got anthrax, dengue virus, helicopters and the plague. too bad for him, that’s how we knew he had biological weapons).
israel have been occupying parts of southern lebanon for almost 25 years, and palestinian lands for longer than that, hence the attacks.
and if you think the american government has been working to make a better world all this time, maybe you should look up operation ajax or operation gladio. in both cases, our cia financed and helped plan terror attacks.
the problem here is not only fundamentalism (of both the islamic and christian variety), it’s more realistically our reliance on middle eastern oil. if we didn’t need that oil, we wouldn’t be messing about in other people’s neighborhoods, installing friendly dictators and the like.
so maybe you need to stop giving your cliff’s notes lectures on history until you have a better grasp of it.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:43 am[...] Yep, Jorge Bush finally gets it out of his mouth [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:47 amI never understood why you always think that attacking Iraq was because of 9/11. That’s really narrowheaded. Denmark (my nation) joined the coalition because of Iraq REFUSING to follow the UN resolution 42. If any country refuse to follow any resolution agreed in UN we (the rest of the world) should always make consequence.
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 amwell, dane, i don’t guess the leaders in your country were saying “iraq and al qaeda” or “iraq and 9/11″ in the same sentence on every opportunity they could, like they were in america during the run-up to the iraq war.
it can be denied until the sun burns out, but it’s still true: the bush administration made a concerted effort to tie iraq to 9/11, suggestively and symbolically. their desire to have this war was stronger than any fealty they may have had to being honest or factual.
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:19 amimpeachment is too long of a process with every fiber of my being i pray for Bush’s assassination war on terror = war on Bush Bush = terror i’ll never forget him saying “Never underestimate the power of America” little does he know the power of America is about to wipe him out if America is to win this war on terror it is by assassinating Bush the very root of this whole terror ‘ordeal’
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:36 amThe Lord gave us a king in his anger and then takes him away in his wrath ! They won’t have to fear George Bush anymore !
Only a bunch of whining far-out liberals can take a video in which Bush honestly responds to a question by denying that Saddam ordered the attacks of September 11th and use it to call Bush a liar and call for his impeachment.
Newsflash: Bush has been honest and consistent about this along along: there was no operational connection between Iraq and 9/11, there was a connection between Iraq and terrorism (harboring Abu Nidal, paying Palestinian suidice bombers families), Iraq was a pre-emptive war with the goal of defeating tyranny and spreading democracy to the middle east.
George Bush is the most honest president we’ve had in decades, but you folks don’t like his policies (you’re against war unless there’s an immediate threat to the U.S.) and some of them haven’t worked very well (like spreading democracy to the middle east) so you’ve deluded yourself that he’s a liar and managed to print lots of bumper stickers about it. Well, keep whining and enjoy your permanent minority party status, which you ony cement by first rejecting and then all-out villifying your own moderates like Lieberman.
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:36 amIf we were in the old west ,the whole staff would be hung at high noon.I have a son who just turned 4 and I really hope he can sit and talk about better things, then this a–hole. who is playing with all of our live like his own personal game of stratego.
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:00 amIf George was not such a criminel,he would be funny. He has split personality. First of all we get the John Wayne routine “smoke em out” ‘dead or alive’. Then when someone is allowed to ask him a half intelligent question, we get the Jimmy Stewart routine “I am just the little guy trying to get the wagons across the river”. George Bush the only man in history who makes the late unlamented Ronald Reagen look like an intellectuel.However when all else fails he can always ask his uncle Dick.
maclecouteau
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:06 amconrad,
i don’t pretend to speak for liberals or democrats (because i don’t pretend to be one), but you, my friend, are hilarious. were the topic of this thread the only reason this particular group — which i don’t find to be particularly too “far out” or “whiny” — had for calling for accountability and impeachment, you might have a point. but personally i’m up to my eyeballs in disbelief and exasperation over the actions of the current administration.
anyway:
Bush has been honest and consistent about this all along
1) “honest” and “consistent”? how many times has the rationale for the iraq war changed? how many bush admin officials made ridiculous statements, most of which have been way off the mark (rumsfeld: maybe 6 days, maybe 6 weeks, definitely not 6 months; wolfowitz: the war will pay for itself with the iraqi oil revenues; condi: we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud). even if i give you that bush has been completely honest throughout this entire affair, what does that say about his level of competence?
there was a connection between Iraq and terrorism (harboring Abu Nidal, paying Palestinian suidice bombers families)
2) there was also a connection between the american government and terrorism. sorry to break that to ya, fella. look up operation ajax or operation gladio. in both cases, our cia financed and helped plan terror attacks. then tell me why we gave saddam anthrax and other biological agents, even though we already knew he had gassed his own people. tell me why in 2001 we gave the taliban $132 million in aid, even though we knew they were harboring osama. by your logic, america should be pre-emptively attacked also. or maybe it already was.
Iraq was a pre-emptive war with the goal of defeating tyranny and spreading democracy to the middle east
3) an idealogues’ war that was incompetently planned, and was as much about securing oil reserves as it was defeating tyranny or spreading democracy. a war in which we’ve lost the initiative and are now viewed as occupiers. a war that has clearly not helped the middle east one whit, if you haven’t noticed — hamas and hezbollah are now empowered, israel is under greater threat than ever, iran is poised to dominate the region and iraq is either on the verge of a civil war or is already in one, and incidentally is now a new breeding ground for terrorism. it is an utter failure of foreign policy and for you to continue defending it really makes me wonder if you’re actually paying attention to what’s going on in the world.
George Bush is the most honest president we’ve had in decades
4) seriously, conrad, you’re killing me. i almost fell out of my chair i laughed so hard at that one.
incidentally, isn’t this just another way of saying “i, conrad, am a total whackjob”?
keep whining and enjoy your permanent minority party status, which you ony cement by first rejecting and then all-out villifying your own moderates like Lieberman
5) you know, historians have a good word for one party rule…hmmm, what is that word again? ahhh yes — totalitarianism. so you keep on hoping for that permanent republican majority, conrad. i tend to think we’re much safer when partisan power is split amongst the branches of government, and they’re forced to do quaint things like, you know, compromise. what a concept.
and did i just hear you say, “john mccain’s reputation was thoroughly trashed by his fellow republicans in 2000, when the bush campaign spread rumors in south carolina that he’d had an illegitimate child with a black woman?”
funny, i could’ve sworn i heard that.
and just out of curiousity, who exactly are the rnc backing in the connecticut race? is it the republican candidate?
oh, they’re not supporting their own candidate? how do they expect to remain the majority party if they won’t support their own candidates, or field a better one if schlesinger isn’t acceptable?
perhaps the truth is that you — and the republican party — don’t give a damn about lieberman, or any other “moderate” for that matter. so, if the republicans are using lieberman, and he’s willing to be used by them, then why should democrats do anything but show him the door?
that’s exactly what the republicans would do if the situation were reversed.
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:31 amIf 90% of U.S. Troops are in Iraq.. a virtual sandbox, what would happen if a Nuke went off there. destroying most of the U.S. forces. Ya gotta think like a terrorist.
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:54 amBoy don’t you sound like my pot smoking dumbass brother who did his time in the Army. Let’s see, I’m a racist, a Neo-con child, and what else, er, not able to have an opinion because I haven’t worn boots on the ground in Iraq, right? Anything else? I’ve got you pegged. You sound like one who jumps from job to job , ready to blame everyone but himself about not having a career or something handed to him because everyone conspires to hold you back. You voted for Kerry and you think everything is rotten in America and YOU have the solutions to all the problems. I also peg you as one who is a bigtime philosopher who can advise everyone else around you on how they should live their lives but you are probably an eternal failure. “Phony war on terror”, Native American whining, “raising your taxes “(who did this again?), oh please…spare the readers. The Mary Jane has permanently scarred whatever intelligence you had….
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:55 amThe only way the USA can save face now is to march these criminals out of Washington in handcuffs and try them for treason punishable in the US by death and then make a HUGE apology to all those adversly affected by the horrible mistakes we’ve made in this country and pray that we are somehow forgiven.
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:23 amThe only thing bombing countrys does to the terrorists is increase their ability to recruit more terrorists.
If you really want to understand this administration, check out this piece by the BBC
http://c2ore.com/archives/?itemid=1919
It does a great job explaining the rise and ideology of the neoconservatives and how they use the religion and fear (communisms and now terrorism) to lead the masses.
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:46 am[...] Redelijkerwijze zou Bush om deze uitspraak toch afgezet moeten kunnen worden: BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 5:12 amThese war criminals are getting desperate. Bush is so angry and scared he blurts out a defense of the lies they told us without provocation. The reporter asked him what Iraq had to do with 911. There was nothing in the question about the White House misleading us. Bush is guilty and he is desperate. Bush is a desperate angry confused liar. Their illegal agenda is exposed and falling apart and the world knows it.
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:05 amJust as the wheels of justice trun slowly, so do the wheels that expose the truth. With the passingof time, actual facts and lies and deceptions shall be revealed. That’s an absolute.
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:20 am[...] President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda” and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,” Bush defiantly answered.read more | digg story [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:03 amIs it me, or does George Bush sound a little like Porky Pig right here? “Nothing, a bee abee abee that’s all folks.”
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:11 amLMAO.
How about the threat for the Iraqi’s of plunging into civil war? How about the threat of revenge after a pre-emptive strike? How about the threat that Katrina-victims faced? All Bush says is: there are problems, I’m gonna fix them. A 5 year old already has that logic. A president, strengthened by his superb advisors, should come up with some more complicated and better functioning (or REAL) solutions. Somebody put that guys damned money where his damned mouth is!
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:27 amRead My Lips cause I’m talking out my ass…
Didn’t Gallagher say that??…
Wrong Bush I guess..
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:57 amIMPEACH THE #&*_hole
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:07 amIt’s actually good that Americans have been losing their liberties, and are being subject to more searches and surveillence. You have to be safe from all of those new terrarists that Bush and Co. are creating. Oh, and if you haven’t found God yet, now is probably a good time. You’ll be more spiritual. And the exorbidant fuel prices will increase air fares, so you’ll fly less, and therefore have a much smaller chance of getting hijacked and crashed. See? Every uranium-enriched cloud has it’s silver lining (that you shouldn’t directly start at).
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:23 am[...] read more | digg story [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:39 amEvery time I see Bush I’m struck with several competing but related thoughts; the guy is very stupid, always angry, totally nuts, and very scary. He has a mental condition. Some of you shrinks out there should really start describing it to us.
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:50 amSo it wasn’t because of 9/11 and we know it wasn’t because of WMD. Sources told the New York Times Bush is looking at alternatives for democracy in Iraq now things don’t really worked out the way he hoped. So it wasn’t for that ideal either.
So what are the US there for? It couldn’t be the oil. They explicitly told us so…
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 amThis is just silly. Bush says Iraq & Saddam didn’t order the 9/11 attacks. We’ve known that since 9/11! Al Qaida & bin Laden ordered the attacks, but they were being bankrolled by the Ba’aths (Saddam’s political party) in Iraq & Syria, as well as the Taliban in Afghanistan, and probably Iran too (if they’re bankrolling Hezbollah, they were probably doing the same with Al Qaida. The difference so far has been that Syria and Iran have layed lower, and instead of pissing off the world directly, they just help their friends piss off the world. Although the lunatic in Iran may be changing that. And God only knows what’s going on with all the WMDs in Syria, including the half of Saddam’s former stockpile that were allowed to be smuggled across the border when the UN’s so-called inspectors refused to do their jobs and instead decided to make friends with Saddam.
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:58 am351# You look like you are talking to your self.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:20 amTodd Beamer used Verizon Airfone still checking on cell companies.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 amhttp://www.beliefnet.com/story/193/story_19399_1.html
Another in a long line of Presidential casuistry.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 amI guess it depends on what the definition of isis.
I don’t know if the cell calls are real or not, I know that they were asked about on here and I started to look. There is a lot of controversy over them in a lot of different articles but those are ones I found and here is another.
http://gatorpress.com/badsam/page5.html
I will say that if the calls on Fight 93 are fake why? and Why did the families say that they received them?
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:45 amWill our country survive all this long enough to have this era represented in history books so that the future generations can learn from the numerous mistakes of this administration, and mistaking mainstream media as some kind of honest and responsible “free press”?? I wonder.
What I want to see done, for the good of this country and what’s left of our democracy, is quite simply ~ the “3 I’s”….IMPEACH. INDICT. INCARCERATE. Maybe if we did that which should be done (if not now for these things, then when & for what, for heaven’s sake!?!), and if it had been a Dem Prez, would’ve been done long before now – no doubt whatsoever – maybe while saving our once-proud country from the enemy within, we may also save our very lives by our actions to remove they who’ve caused us to be so reviled the world over and done such heinous things in OUR name. For right now, the whole world sees a nation not taking any action to put a stop to what the Bush Regime has been doing, nor do they hear a great outcry from the American people — they see a “re-elected” regime, and a nation full of “sheeple”, who at best don’t seem to care — at worst, agree with what’s being done by the U.S.A. all around the world.
THE 3 I’S….IMPEACH! INDICT! INCARCERATE! Because it is the right thing to do!
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:50 amSadaam and Al Qaida were bitter enemies! #377 u r so wrong.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 amOk I’m ready to move before some big mouth lier gets us killed! The government is starting to make me ill. By the way…. someone was right when they stated JonBenet would take the news today and nothing will be said about Bush’s comments. How very sad!!!
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 amVery good questions Sandy! Wish we had the REAL answers!
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:06 amwe are there to set up the attack on Iran it is so obvious. BP oil has all its focus on keeping its oil wells in Iran and not returning them to the Iranians as they are contracted to do so,
I once visited the largest air force base in the us (Dover, DE) and was shocked to find that all of the streets were named aftre the oil companies(Chevron Bl, Arco Wy, Sonoco St., Mobil Ave., etc.)
I drive a truck, and was on a load of military equipment from ft. Lewis WA to Dover DE after Bushit took office and before 911 and one of the three army guys who loaded me said, “We’re going to get Sadaam” and one of the others says, “Hey, you can’t tell HIM that” and the 3rd guy says,”Oh it doesnt matter, were goin in there for him weather HE knos or not” and they all aggreed. They were to meet the equipment in dover and fly it to iraq on a c-130. The commanding officer in the air conditioned office told me if he wanted those vehicles in dover next month he would have his bous drive em, “I want these Hummers at Dover A.S.A.P! is that understood!” he said
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:19 amuhh Did I miss something here?
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:19 amIMPEACH! INDICT! INCARCERATE!
How???? Someone just tell me how the hell we get these sick bastards out? Does anybody really know? Hands tied we sit still while daily this country crumbles. It is the greatest mess of all time. We know this administration is corrupt. They blatently lie to us like we are IDIOTS and we do NOTHING as a country to fight back but bitch on blogs. We all know the problems. What is the SOLUTION???
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:23 amThank you Salt & pepa! I actually saw that and forgot. I thought I missed somethingbecause of Sandy’s last comment….thought I done something wrong. Sorry.
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:29 amBoy don’t you sound like my pot smoking dumbass brother who did his time in the Army. Let’s see, I’m a racist, a Neo-con child, and what else,…
Comment by dbsdiamonds — August 22, 2006 @ 3:55 am
… huh… you have a very degrading, hateful, low opinion of your own brother. Now, here’s a true characteristic of a true republican. Hateful towards its own people!!!
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:32 amDying for ‘nothing’
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:35 am[...] Na situação atual de 5 anos do ataque ao WWC, o fim da procura pelo Bin Laden, o julgamento de Saddanm Hussein, o aumento de número de fatalidades na Guerra Civil que virou o Iraque e os pseudo atentados na Inglaterra; é interessante de ver que além da total ausência de motivos para invadir o Iraque, um dos motivos acabou de ser provado falso. Pelo menos foi isso que o Presidente Bush menciona em um vÃdeo que acabei de assistir online. [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:41 amIt just dawned on me My links were to the person who asked which cell company’s were used for the alledged calls. lol
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:46 amgoodness sorry about all the typos
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:48 amThey are going to attack Iran next. A country of 100 million! Imagine the line at the terrorist recruiting offices after that begins.
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:50 amSandy, first of all you sounded very harsh why? First of all, I am not too stupid to understand what I read , I am merely showing what I found to PROVE that you were right about the calls from other sources besides usatoday!! Geeeeze! Take some Midol.
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:55 amWell, I have read every thing on this board and all of the links posted and I must say I am rather alarmed. There was so much I never even thought of. I will have to agree ….IMPEACH!! INDICT!!!
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:02 amfirst of all I HATE BUSH! ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL!! I personally didn’t think any of the people running for pres. at the time was worth a f*ck so you were way wrong about me being worried about my “bush”. I read a post from another poster that wanted to know IF there were calls who are they CLAIMING the cell companies were. That is ALL I was trying to do. Now get off my ass! I believe that the calls from the planes are a hoax but I am not going to force my OPINION on anyone else do YOU get it?
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:09 amAhhh, Bush strikes again. He’s such a bad liar, he can’t keep any of it straight, and he goes berserk when someone points out that he’s lying. He’s dividing his own country – I don’t think it’s been this divided since the Civil War. I can honestly say I am scared to be in this country, I always have the feeling that something big and really bad is going to happen here, and I’m REALLY GLAD I’M LEAVING IT ON FRIDAY!!!
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:45 amSandy, the United States has installed facist governments around the world so they can spread DEMOCRACY!! You think you can get them to admit(if it’s true) about 9/11, and they can’t even admit about just supporting facist governments. Plus, just like JFK, you have no evidence so keep screaming…………………
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:11 pmSix months ago in a Zogy poll 9 out of 10 American soldiers in Iraq said the reason they were there was to retaliate against Saddam Hussein’s earlier direct involvment in 9/11. Their commander in chief has now made it absolutely clear that wasn’t it, that Saddam had “nothing’ to do with 9/11. Never said he did. Shouldn’t Bush have told his soldiers the day the poll came out, they had it wrong? That Saddam had “nothing” to do with 9/11? That that was not why they were there fighting and dying? How does a commander in chief allow most of his army to follow him under the wrong assumption? How could he go on leading like that? Who is this guy?
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 pmBushism: “See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
Methinks he’s catapulting again!
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 pmAlex Jones is a zeolot, who calls anyone who does’nt agree with him part of the illuminati!!! Even noam chomsky just because he does’nt agree with the 9/11 conspiracy ……………..Apparently alex jones has no real education, and maybe he himself is a product of project mk ultra with his contradicting rants. Please sandy, don’t tell you are a devout follower of that jackass.
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmI really think lipstick changes the pig.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:32 pmAlex Jones, a crazy conspiracy theorist. Google him, I dare you.
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 pmNow it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this one out people.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:06 pmWhy the negative comments about Alex Jones? He was the one who predicted 9/11 2 months beforehand. Look for the video on youtube.com. He was the one who made public the Bush/bin Laden business connections, long before Michael Moore talked about that. Alex has done more than anyone else to expose the 9/11 inside job which so many of you don’t want to talk about. Calling some one a ‘conspiracy nut’ is no argument. I prefer Alex over the idea that 19 flight school drop outs conspired to pull off one of the greatest attacks in history.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmLoose Change sez:
That’s typical of them, LC…they can’t cogently address the message, so they attack the messenger.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmSound Familiar:
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.†— Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Göring during the Nuremberg Trials.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:48 pm#8, I’m with you. Just think what might happen to Bush once he’s out in 2009 and onward. Yes, he will get a Secret Service detail like he has know, but he won’t be holed up in the White House compound. With the majority of U.S. citizens that hate him and certainly that number and higher in other nations, I think it’s only a question of time before someone makes an attack on him for his war crimes.
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:56 pm[...] Link [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:11 pmIf you tell the truth you don’t have to remember anything.
Mark Twain
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:46 pm#8, I’m with you. by Mark
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#8?
That’s a long way from here.
Try copying and pasting a post when it’s not nearby.
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:47 pmWhy did Bush get elected and put us in this mess?! Oh yea..the Republicans did it. A couple more years..a couple more years…
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:59 pmPrecious stuff from Faux News and the clown commander in chief. It’s way past time for impeachment and trial for war crimes. If congress doesn’t bring him down, he and horror clown Cheney will bring down the country, though it may already be too late.
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:22 pmWhen oh when will the American people finally realize that talking and writing and marching is not going to amount to a hill of beans. We need to get in some people’s faces and not let these traitors operate-we need to physically stop this crap. Where’s the guts? Where’s the heart? Is there ANYONE willing to put their ass on the line to stop this? Because to Bush and Blair and Cheyney all this talk goes in one ear and right out the other. And if you think the courts or congress will see justice is done-then you must be either blind or niave or just plain scared to face the fact that we are going to need to be willing to sacrifice our careers,our lifestyles and even our lives to ensure that this becomes a free nation. Until the masses rise up in force-ain’t a damn thing gonna change.
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:45 pmI am convinced we are in the process of a neo-con (nazi) take over from the bottom to the top of our government. I think it is being financed by the drug trade, from the local level to the whitehouse. The encouragement of debt aquisition is designed to acelerate this process. Never before has anyone been able to borrow their way out of debt and it will not happen for us either. When the collapse occurs, martial law will be the method of control and the extermination of dissidents will start. The rest will die of starvation, Then the neos will choke on their own poison. They think their political machine and money makes them immune, it doesnt because politics and money will be worthless. The stone age returns!
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:57 pmSaddam is on trial for chemical weapons on his own people, and yet Bush Chemtrail’s Americans with God knows what everyday.
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:09 pm[...] So I first found this video from NowPublic and then from Think Progress. [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmWas he on something? He looked and sounded like he was on Meth’s. It was like watching and listening to a video on fast speed.
Interesting that he admitted that Iraq and Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. I guess when someone meets him head on Bush caves.
August 22nd, 2006 at 5:03 pm[...] STORY [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 5:04 pmIRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
Wonderful clarification after just 5 years!
So this is in essense pre-emptive warfare! Those you have killed you have prevented from becoming terrorists! What a wonderful logic!
The time has come when USRAEL has to chose side: Will you become members of the international community or shall we isolate you as pariah states and the true axis of evil?
The time has come for USRAEL’s citizens to decide whether they want to be part of their fascist states or they want regime change and democracy.
August 22nd, 2006 at 5:20 pmWell, looking at the evidence of the attacks of 9/11 and the war games played at the very same day…his statement is pretty bold!
August 22nd, 2006 at 5:31 pmThis really has made me sick to my stomach to read and see…. This fliping twirp of a Prez has gotten away with so much crap running our society, culture, & reputation (not to mention the Iraqis) into the ground. Quite literally, thiink of the thousands of body buried stateside compared to over seas?
And what I am most sad to state is that my mother was lost in the Pentagon thad day. That day, 9/11 has been used so loosely by this administration, It make me sick that he can so cooly state “Nothing” now without getting (his balls) bush-whacked. When is enough B.S. enough?
IMPEACH!!!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2006 at 5:44 pm[...] Actually, that did happen a few days ago when Bush admitted that invading Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 5:56 pmRE-Elect Nobody!
Dennis Kucinich said that every member of congress but him signed a secrecy agreement regarding 911 but him. He was the only honest person. Well except probably Wellstone and he was murdered.
We are long over due for a revalution in America. Every one of these criminal have commited treason and bribery.
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:09 pmThere is no distinction available between ‘ordered’ 911 and ‘participated) in 911. The answer, regardless is Iraq had NOTHING to do with it.
Honestly, I’m really not sure why people aren’t marching on the whitehouse lawn demanding Bush be placed in shackles… How many reasons do we need? Bush is extremely dangerous to America, and no one can debate this point.
“You’re either with us or against us”…. Sorry to say it, but I haven’t been ‘with’ bush since it became obvious that the 911 commission was dishonest. The truth is–we don’t know the truth about 911. And that… is not debateable either. Questions… I thought we demanded answers… Lies… we accepted them instead.
The constitution makes it Perfectly Clear what our role in this should be.
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:52 pmIT IS SHOCKING.. Bush Almost told the TRUTH. This government is full of Psyops and Spin Doctors. They spent over 1.6 Billion LIEING to the American people. See Psyops on the American People
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:53 pmNo wonder people are confused. Visit AngelsForTruth.com and see for yourself about the TRUTH of 911. Tell your friends.. it is time we had an HONEST government…
I have Angel Ads and flyers on my site to help spread the word to your town about the truth of 911 and our government. We all need to work together to make this happen. God Bless
Its all about OIL !
We need to take our country back – - – WAKE UP AMERICA – ITS TIME WE TOOK OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE RICH !
Today more than anytime in history
The rich are getting obscenely richer
The poor are getting much poorer
And the middle class are working
harder then ever to keep their heads above
water and support EVERYTHING !
And many of the middle class are going under !
We have become a government
BY THE RICH – FOR THE RICH
AND THE RICH DO NOT CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU OR ME !
The Majority of the TOP 2 PERCENT RICH ARE GREEDY PEOPLE
AND THEY TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER ON OUR BACKS !
Dave Kaspersin
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:53 pmAs a fellow citizen from Mexico, Carlos Fuentes, wrote on his book “Contra Bush”, this is very simple, Mr Bush and his real bosses need to suck all the petroleum from earth to stay alive, regardless of how many casualties they may get… The americans are just waiting for an impeachment of the worst and most stupid president they have ever had… The only issue here is that this dumbhead is affecting not only them. He is killing people everywhere around the world. “Pobre México, tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los EEUU” (Poor Mexico, so far away from God, so close to the US)
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:55 pmMonkey Boy still hasn’t learned…..NEVER give a press conference without getting the questions in advance. Especially when the world knows you’re a lying sack of shit and have told so many lies you have a hard time remembering them.
I once sent you an e-mail suggesting that you along with EVERY SINGLE PERSON in your administration that may be faced with reporters, write down your lies on index cards so you may refer to them when confronted by reporters.
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:29 pm[...] * Bush: “Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11.” Thank you! [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:32 pmThe quote from the letter to congress falsely attributes a meaning to it which does not exist. The letter to congress was required by the AUMF, which specifically stated that the president must determine that military action in Iraq by “consistent with” the continuing war against al Qaeda, and certify this with a letter to congress within 48 hours of the start of hostilities. The letter to congress is a box-check to fufill that requirement. The AUMF certainly did not require that the president find that Iraq was involved with 9/11, only that a war on Iraq not unduly hamper the parallel war against al Qaeda.
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:41 pm[...] Think Progress » Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda†and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,†Bush defiantly answered. Watch it. [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:49 pmThe New CEO and Co-CEO of Halliburton?
Just why are these crooks in power filling that company full of tax dollars ‘re-building’ something we footed the bill to destroy in the first place?
Was it an accident they give Halliburton no-bid contracts? What else are these morons going to do when the party is over?
We’ll just have to wait and see!
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:56 pm[...] Besides f*rting, Bush’s other hobbies include biking, reading, and lying his *ss off about his statements on Iraq and 9/11. [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:00 pmI wonder what he was thinking about saying when he said, “Iraq was a …”
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:21 pmTypical. You should play the rest of the news conference where Bush also states that although Saddam wasn’t directly involved he had meetings with Mousawi before the attack and also he reiterates on taking preemptive action. He cites Saddams mass murder of his own people and other atrocities as one of the main reasons for going into Iraq. I think hundreds of thousands of dead, 500 warheads, his misuse of the food for oil program, the attack on Quwait, and his inability to comply with the UN Weapons inspections is more than enough reason to remove Saddam from power. How much death and destruction does it take to make Saddam an unfit leader? How many times dooes he have to attack his neighbors and threaten people before he gets removed? Are we honestly going to defend this madman because people are upset that soldiers are dying in a war??? Maybe we should have just left Hitler alone too, let the whole thing work itself out….
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:22 pmTo think that anything good will happen in Washington if either party is in control is: (to paraphrase “They Live”) ” Like putting liptick on a pig”. No matter who is running things…The I.M.F. still pulls all of the strings….and nothing is gonna get better. This country has been Banrupt since 1938.We are OWNED by the powers that be….end of story. Enjoy your “servitude”
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:39 pmTo No.475 I dont argue that Saddam was a deplorable dictator, but to think that Iraq is better off now than it was then is ludicrous! More people have died in the past few years alone than Saddam ever killed in his reign of over 20 years. Not to mention that we have completely irradiated the country by using depleted uranium bombs and munitions, thus ensuring future deaths and causing horrendous birth defects on the newborns of Iraq. To top it all off the country is currently in a state of civil war. Tell me where exactly are they better off now?
And if we should condemn Iraq for not following UN regulations, then we most certainly should condemn the US and Israel for the same.
Let me go ahead and rehash your own question back to you: “How much death and destruction does it take to make ‘Bush’ an unfit leader?”
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:07 pmJust what is this Mission that George “Braindead” Bush is so hellbent on accomplishing? the rape, torture, and murder of every man woman and child in the country? It is the only mission I can see that he is accomplishing, that and the war on the middle class here at home seem’s to be going alright.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:28 pmi honestly don’t know whether there’s somebody working for this guy to tell him that his lies are starting to catch up with him….the bush administration have mastered one thing and that is “the art of sophistry” (look it up if you don’t know what what sophistry is)
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:42 pmI don’t have anything original to contribute. I’m too busy trying to make ends meet to riot in the streets.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:53 pmwell david,
let the debunking begin:
He cites Saddams mass murder of his own people and other atrocities as one of the main reasons for going into Iraq.
that’s funny, bush’s father had the same opportunity and rationale back in 1991 and they (including his defense secretary dick cheney) opted not to invade. it was a wise choice. we already knew about the atrocities, and we had more concrete evidence that he was attempting to develop nukes, yet they chose containment. given that we now know iraq’s nuke program was scrapped years ago, i think we can say in retrospect that containment was still the best option, considering the loss of blood and treasure and that the middle eastern situation has only worsened since the invasion.
I think hundreds of thousands of dead,
what, you mean before the invasion, or after? because that could easily be a projection for the carnage that will result from us occupying iraq for 5-10 years. bear in mind that i’m pretending for a moment here that you actually care about iraqi lives.
500 warheads,
oh yes, these are those “wmd’s” you whackjobs are hyping. warheads buried in the sand 15 years ago with depleted mustard gas and sarin gas are NOT mobile weapons labs, aluminum tubes, uranium, or any of the other threats that were hyped by the administration. go have a look at colin powell’s february 2003 un presentation if you want a refresher course on what we were supposed to find, but didn’t. given the admission here that iraq didn’t have anything to do with 9/11, what’s changed since 1991? er, maybe it’s — oh, i don’t know — peak oil?
his misuse of the food for oil program,
oh yeah, the oil for food program. i wonder why they stopped looking into that? maybe it was because someone found out american companies were misusing it as well?
the attack on Quwait, and his inability to comply with the UN Weapons inspections is more than enough reason to remove Saddam from power.
well, we already sorted out kuwait in 1991, so that isn’t relevant here. certainly saddam was playing a shell game with the weapons inspectors, but clearly it was because he didn’t want anybody to know what he didn’t have — nukes. interesting how it is said that he wasn’t cooperating with the inspectors, yet the inspectors were actually in iraq doing their job until right before we invaded. that’s right — we actually had to get the u.n. to recall the inspectors so we could invade. so what is your definition of non-compliance?
How much death and destruction does it take to make Saddam an unfit leader? How many times dooes he have to attack his neighbors and threaten people before he gets removed?
one might just as well as those questions about bush.
Are we honestly going to defend this madman because people are upset that soldiers are dying in a war???
uh, no, and that’s a specious argument. i challenge you to find anyone who wants out of iraq that will defend saddam. choosing not to attack a country or remove a dictator does not equate to defending the country or the dictator. are we defending kim jong il by not attacking him? if so, how can you justify that? we know he has nukes and can directly threaten our major allies japan and south korea (and maybe even alaska or the west coast). we know he’s a brutal dictator. we also know he has no oil. i wonder if that’s somehow related?
and clearly you’re missing the point: people are upset that soldiers are needlessly dying in an unnecessary war.
Maybe we should have just left Hitler alone too
please, just stop. that’s inane. we’ve been awfully selective with our outrage regarding mr. hussein throughout the years. when he was at war with iran, we helped him (we also helped iran, it turns out). when he attacked kuwait, we rebuked him. why have we been selective in this case? because we know saddam was, in fact, NOT hitler, and would never have amounted to that kind of threat. and if he had, well, we may have been partially responsible, mayn’t we?
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:06 pmI have always wondered, that the phsycopath Caeney und the very stupid W. Bush have never been impeached. The US of A, also a country known for assasinating their presidents, I am wonderering that no one has made an attempt to get rid of these people. Why not?
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:06 pm[...] go to source/story>>Think Progress » Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 pmIt has been documented that Saddam had connections with bin Laden and al-Qaeda. It’s well known that al-Qaeda was and still is involved in “international terrorism,” therefore, by proxy at the very least, so is Saddam. But there are many, far too many to ignore, intelligence reports that indicate Iraq/Saddam was more than a little involved in terrorism by offering, not only al Qaeda, but multiple other terrorist organizations in varying degrees, direct funding, safe passage, safehaven, and access to set up training facilities in Iraq.
It’s also been well documented and reported that Saddam paid families in “Palestine” $15,000 to $25,000 each for their service in providing and encouraging sons and daughters to become suicide bombers.
From The Senate Intelligence Report:
[Eleventh paragraph beginning with (U)
From The Senate Intelligence Report - The Use of Iraq as a Safehaven:
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There is still more interesting information at that last link concerning Saddam’s connection with or attempts to further his connections with terrorists including Hamas and Hezbollah. I recommend it to anyone who is sincerely looking for the truth.
Again from The Senate Intelligence Committee Report – Text CIA Assessments on Iraq’s Links to Terrorism:
To arrive at this summary, the CIA examined intelligence in four main areas:
I also encourage you to read the information at the following link:
Terrorist Activities Conducted by the IIS
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:33 pmIs there also a special place in hell for hypocritical dumb people?
August 22nd, 2006 at 10:46 pmEpa gringos¡¡¡¡ a ver si detienen al sicopata que tienen como presidente. Pronto va a inventar q aqui en Venezuela tenemos bombas atomicas chinas apuntandoles a ustedes, y seguro se lo van a creer, y nos invadiran. Nuestro petroleo es muy apetitoso y ustedes tienen hambre de el. Bush quiere hacer un gran negocio con nuestro petroleo. Ustedes son tan tontos que se han creido las mentiras que su presidente les dice. Nunca deja de sorprenderme como lo ha podido hacer y por tanto tiempo. A ver si despiertan¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ Hagan una revolucion¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:23 pm[...] Read for yourself. August 22nd 2006 Posted to Government Policy, World Trade & Currencies, Politics [...]
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:30 pmHope everyone got to see “The Daily Show” tonight it was a Jon Stewart CLASSIC! They covered “Bush’s Presser” and how idiotic he was, along with the DAMNING confession featured above. In fact, if I remember correctly they played the President snarkily replying, “NOTHING!” TWICE!!!
Then Jon Stewart interviewed William Cohen and he walked everyone through how most intelligent Americans were happy to go to war with Afghanistan and then we were all SHOCKED AND DISMAYED when Bush “ran off the road” into Iraq, while telling us all “SHUT UP!!! I’M DRIVING!!!” LOL!
Thank God for “The Daily Show” and “Stephen Colbert’s Report” They preach the truth to those who are disengaged from watching the news and paying attention. They help get THE TRUTH out.
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:31 pmNothing concrete was ever said by any of’em.
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:53 pmJust plenty of insinuation that 9/11 had a solid connection.
Plausible deniability.
On to Iran. We can already see the fresh clouds of war on the horizon.
This is definitely the worst president in history. I had Bush awhile back as maybe 3rd worst, behind Andrew Jackson and Herbert Hoover, but congratulations Dubya, I’ve moved you to the top spot. No president has ever inflicted this much damage to America in so short a period of time. I would give you a trophy or medal or something, but I don’t have any money because of your tax cuts to the rich and my gasoline costing $3.00 a gallon.
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:10 amDoes this rare admission and the desperate shortage of troops mean that
August 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 amthe Bush guttersnipes and the Cheney token lesbian will be serving ??? They could do SOOO very much for morale………..
[...] Monday, President Bush conceded once again that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, yet, according to him, invading that country was necessary to stop an “emerging threat”. How exactly a country with no “weapons of mass destruction”, that had been disarmed by years of intrusive inspections and careful monitoring, was “a threat” isn’t clear. And any argument that we “liberated” the Iraqi people from the oppression of Saddam falls flat in the wake of the daily violence and civil war that has gripped that country since we invaded almost four years ago. I never really bought that “justification” anyway because, as far as I’m aware, Saddam didn’t set up roadblocks at the borders to stop people from leaving. If life under Saddam was bad, apparently, it was tolerable because the only mass exodus of Iraqi’s was the Kurds that moved into Northern Iraq to live under the protection of the U.S. “No Fly Zone”. [...]
August 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 am[...] Více na aglickém videu: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/ [...]
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:53 amWithout any reason Bush has committed naked aggression towards Iraq.
We need UN to order US and its alliance of the witless to leave the country within 72 hours, we need full economic compensation and full cleaning up after extensive use of depleted uranium and we need the Bush regime and its supporters to be put in front of an international court on war crimes.
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:57 amI said it before, and I’ll say it again, the impeachment and execution for treason of the neocon fascists who are destroying this country and this planet is absolutely essential. Any less will just exacerbate the damage already done.
OUR MIGHTY GOD HAVE SHOWN TO US THE TRUE LIES.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:05 amMonday, August 21, 2006 – By Stephen Webster, Investigative Reporter
Army: Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is ‘Disloyal To The United States’
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 am
LINK
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:03 amIt has been quite apparant for some time that not just the President but the whole administration has lied and misled the American public. They have led them into an illegal war and are responsible for countless deaths and incalculable destruction in Iraq. The only way out is to Pull out unconditionally from Iraq and pay the Iraqi people reparations. The President should be impeached. Failing this America is going to be the biggest loser not just in the middle East but the world over.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:32 amThe clip was cut off before Bush could mention Iraq’s lack of WMDs.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:51 amSo let me see if I’ve got this right: The US attacked and invaded Iraq because it didn’t have WMD and wasn’t involved in the attacks on the US on 11 September 2001. Now about reparation… Let’s see〠over 100,000 deaths, untold injuries, massive infrastructural damage, environmental pollution … $100billion would hardly cover it. If that was me I’d be too ashamed to be American. Being British with Bitch Boy Blair as PM is bad enough. Be ironic if Bush is arrested while Saddam gets his old job back. If Bush had any decency (some hope) he’d top himself.
August 23rd, 2006 at 6:03 amSo let me see if I’ve got this right: The US attacked and invaded Iraq because it didn’t have WMD and wasn’t involved in the attacks on the US on 11 September 2001. Now about reparation… Let’s see〠over 100,000 deaths, untold injuries, massive infrastructural damage, environmental pollution … $100billion would hardly cover it. If that was me I’d be too ashamed to be American. Being British with Bitch Boy Blair as PM is bad enough. Be ironic if Bush is arrested while Saddam gets his old job back. If Bush had any decency (some hope) he’d top himself.
August 23rd, 2006 at 6:03 amI think Bush is an IDIOT!When his presidential term is over,our country will be in worse shape than it already is.He’ll just go back to Texas and sit on his stupid a**!!!
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 amAugust 23rd, 2006 at 7:53 am
The fact is is this…BUSH IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!! Non-believers be warned (and encouraged!)-The “Great Change” is coming!!
And I’m a Taoist/Buddist…I don’t even belive in that B.S….But THEY DO!!!!!! And they’re trying REALLY HARD to make it happen!
Somebody should shave his ass and look for 666 on his body…
What an asshole.
As SNL’s “Linda Richman” would say…”Now, Discuss amongst yourselves”
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:55 amWhat bothers me is why haven’t there been a serious move to impeach George Bush for what he has done and is doing against the best interest of the American people.
It is time that this man be stopped before he does more damage to the values and principles held sacrosanct by most Americans.
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:00 amI live in UK. UK supports Bush because England was always loyal to USA. But one day even Britain will say enough! We dont want to occupy the world with you! In Europe, everybody hates Bush. Unfortunately, he wouldnt be a president without votes of people which makes me think that americans are bloodthirsty ignorants. I am not saying they are but it looks like. Sorry about this, I dont want to offend anybody but this is how i feel at the moment. I used to love America so much :(
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:19 amTRUE SADDAM WAS INSANE AND EVIL. WHAT DO YOU THINK GEORGE W. IS?
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:55 amYOU DONT REALLY THINK HE GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE
DO YOU?
Why hasnt the chimp and his neocon/aipac buddies been thrown into jails…. or better still in abu gharib?
If you can impeach Clinton for his little hobby why not the chimp ?
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:08 am[...] Bush: Iraq had “nothing” to do with 9/11 [...]
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:50 amRest assured, not everyone in the military believes Saddam was ever in on 9-11. Indeed some of us were skeptical regarding the war with Iraq WAY prior to 3-19-03. Additionally, some of us knew that, no matter what the UN weapons inspectors found in Iraq, war was inevitable. If weapons were found, then Saddam was in violation of the UN and…war. If no weapons were found, then they were obviously hidden or moved out of the country and…war. The unbelievable thing to me is how many Americans continue to turn a blind eye to the misconceptions being told them. Each time a justification for the war proves false, a new one is invented and believed by some Americans until it, too falls. These people have obviously endured a Limbaughtomy, preventing independant thought. More sickening than all of it are the Americans between the ages of 18-42 (current Army enlistment ages) who vehemently claim support for the war but who refuse to take part in the fighting of it themselves. It is these people who have forced the Army, in a desperate attempt to meet its recruiting goals, to lower education standards for new recruits, approve more waivers for law violations for initial entry personnel, recall IRR personnel, and other measures. It seems to me that if the effort were important or noble enough, these people would be breaking down recruiting station doors. I mean, at least a war protester stands behind his convictions, you know what I mean?
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:07 am-Kip
Ok, I got a little extreme there for a second…BUT we do need to realize that this is/was a fantastic country, and one well worth fighting for (both figuratively AND literally). My friends and I (NeoCons and Liberals alike) are constantly debating over the best methodology for such an undertaking, and, while NONE OF US advocate a hostile make-over of goverment (read as: REVOLUTION!!! Take up whatever small arms we can and forcefully impose the common will over our subjugators, just like our “Founding Fathers” did against British Empire over 225 years ago! NO! That is just the sort of responce that would swiftly and possibly permanently turn our already fragile “Free society” into a straight up Totalitarian/Fascist State, and we close, oh so very close to that already, my friends!), what we have considered is:
*a radical reworking of our ELECTION SYSTEM, so as to provide for a TRUE DEMOCRACY, one in which the the electorate (that’s US!) directly vote into office the elect (that’s them!);
*to have DIRECT AND FINAL AUTHORITY over ANY AND ALL Legislation proposed by said elected officials BEFORE implementation of said Legislation;
*to limit all terms-of-office for ALL offices to ONE YEAR, with no chance of being re-elected into the same branch of government EVER (once you have become President, you can never be President again, but, if you do a good job, you may become a Senator,a true Representative or even Justice of the Supreme Court – and even they would be subject to the one-year-term rule);
*to replace our out-dated (and largely failed – remember the 2000 coup de tait, I mean, Election? or, did that actually happen back in ‘63? or was it ‘47? or was it…? Geez, how long has it been since we actually had a government that really worked for US?) Electoral College system with one of Direct Popular Vote (more on this later!);
*Eliminate PRIVATELY FUNDED campain financing with an equal-amount-for-all PUBLICLY FUNDED campain fund (a reasonable amount, say under $500K), with NO PRIVATE INTREST or out-of-country funding, EVER !(Sorry, all you lobbist, you’re going to have to get REAL JOBS, just like the rest of us!);
*to have truely free and open Debates on PUBLIC ACCESS MEDIA (PBS, C-SPAN, et al. – might as well make the Media work FOR us, for a change, too!)
*Re-educate the Public to understand that the election of Government Officials and the laws they RECOMMEND to us is our CIVIC DUTY, and a matter of civic pride, not just a vicarious-armchair watching-Reality TV show that they can not influence;
*Facilitate the Legislative Review and Electoral Voting process by implementing a Triple-Redundant Electronic Voting System, with primary ballot casting via Internet website, with discreet printed receipt recording of the individual voters choises, and BioMetric Verification of Voter Identity (for positive confirmation of the basic One Person-One Vote Rule)
*FAIR AND BALANCED remuniration for time served in public office, not to exceed the AVERAGE MEAN INCOME of the populace (at present, about $35K a year, and it’s only for ONE YEAR
*NO GUARANTEED TERMS-OF-OFFICE: if you’re elected and you screw up your elected duties, you will be impeached, after a fair and impartial review, of course!
*ELIMINATION OF ALL RELIGIOUS THEMES AND TENENTS FROM GOVERNMENT. Moral and Ethical guidelines are fine, but RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN A FREE SOCIETAL GOVERNMENT, EVER. PERIOD. Remember Private-Intrest Lobbists? Too much “My God can kick your God’s Ass!” going around! Grow up and let the Age of Reason and Sanity reign. (Touchy subject, I know!)
Ok, that’s not all by a long-shot, but I think you’re getting the “gist” of it. Granted, some of these ideas are not perfect, but a lot of them do have their respective precedents through history, most notablely the “Golden Age” Grecian city-states, most especially Athenian Democracy, to which we so claim to admire…and should, as it really did work well for them for several hundred years! Maybe it’s our time to do it, as well!
What do you think?
Of course, these are only my opinions, I could be wrong (BUT I DOUBT IT!)
Remember: Make Love, Have Fun!
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:32 amI for one am glad Bush is the President. He is the right man to destroy American imperialism once and for all. Sadly, that will require wrecking America, because as a nation we are addicted to self-righteous, holier-than-thou, our-way-or-the-highway policies that equate patriotism with racism and economic domination coupled with military hegemony. But the Empire is on its last legs.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:46 amto everyone (even the TIAA spies that still read this – we know you’re there!)
PLEASE READ #512!!!
Let me know what you think! We can still have it our way, if we want it to be!
I’ll check back later…
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:01 pmLove to all!
[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/ [...]
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 pmNow he says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? But didn’t he attack Iraq because it had the means to threaten another attack worse than 9/11 (which we know it didn’t, but that, for some reason, doesn’t matter). Does he seriously think we believe that if 9/11 didn’t happen, he would have waged the same war with Iraq? Every time that man speaks my stomach turns! Now, it looks as if Bush is making the same accusations against Iran…don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe Iran should be creating nuclear bombs, but they say they are not creating bombs, they say that they are peacefully creating nuclear energy. I’m not sure I trust this statement from Iran officials, but I sure as hell do not trust Bush! I want to know how he knows Iran has ulterior motives. But even if they do, can we really blame them? Just look at the position Bush has put Iran in…they are surrounded by US armed forces at almost all of their borders. They are directly in the middle of war. Is it right to expect them to stop what is so far non-threatening nuclear production when they are in such a compromising position? Maybe if Bush pulled out the troops from Iraq (like everyone in America wants him to do), then it would be easier to negotiate with Iran.
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmThis is for comment 507 Renee; you are spot on!, half of the American citizens (the half that voted for Bush) seem to be bloodthirsty ignorants, good call! I love America too, and it breaks my heart to watch my beloved country be taken over by some bumbling criminal thugs.
“Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue.”
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 pm-Winston Churchill
“Progressive building collapse” refers to the spread of failure by a chain reaction that’s disproportionate to the triggering event. Current U.S. standards, codes, andpractices don’t address this type of collapse, because until 9-11 such a collapse was unknown to engineers.
Do I hear the creaking of the tumbels?
August 23rd, 2006 at 12:43 pm[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911 [...]
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmIt’s a sad thing, that the (once) most wealthy, best organised, greatest country of the world has sunk to this level. Realize that the rest of the world has to poor 3 billion dollar every day into the American economy to maintain you, and by doing that also to maintain the world’s largest defense budget by far. So, the rest of the world pays a lot for beeing bullied and frightened by the “mighty” USA. Here, in the Netherlands, every word from the USA government is treated by the common people as unlikely, if not as blatant lies. And overall as a threat to world peace. Why is nothing done to the obvious lies surrounding 9/11? Where is the free press that asks the right questions to the right people? How can a civilized country like yours put people in detention for years in Guantanamo without any civil rights? How can a civilized country perform torture, kidnapping and reckless killing around the world as it fits right? Where is the protest, isn’t anyone as mad as hell at your government yet? And finally, shouldn’t it be time to reform your election laws to what here in Europe is known as “equal representation”, so not every state, but every person has an equal vote in parliament? Excuses for my English, it’s not my natural language, I’m from Holland.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pm“Now he says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? But didn’t he attack Iraq because it had the means to threaten another attack worse than 9/11 (which we know it didn’t, but that, for some reason, doesn’t matter). Does he seriously think we believe that if 9/11 didn’t happen, he would have waged the same war with Iraq?”
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:19 pmNo, apparently it’s been a purely humanitarian undertaking to improve the lot of the Iraqi people, at least since it emerged that Iraqw had no WMDs and no ties to al queda.
Presumably Bush will be going after China and Korea next.
[...] Next month on 11 September 2006, why don’t we commemorate *that*? … Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War. Watch it.http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/ [...]
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:09 pm[...] [...]
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:52 pmson of a bitch
August 23rd, 2006 at 6:46 pmHe reminds me of villains in superhero comic books…what a clown
August 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pm“Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen, my stupid aprentice”
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:47 pmIt’s all been said before, jail the bastards, set an execution date, and hang them in front of the white house for war crimes and crimes againts humanity.
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:57 pmThere are those that would say we are all one consciousness (Colectively:God)experiencing this duality together yet seperately through our choice of actions (free will). I have come to the conclusion that, if this is truly the case, God hates himself; at least within the confines of this existence. Isn’t it time for the world to just end? I’m pretty sick of this nonsense myself. Can anyone explain to this entity why any of us bother?
Sincerely,
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:20 pmThanks Mom & Dad,
LifeSUCKS
Yeah…so I’m left wondering, you all have guns, right? Why is it that no Americans have stormed the Whitehouse and put holes in all the neo-cons’ heads yet? I mean, what are you waiting for?
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:31 pmDear Canadian no longer ammused,
August 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 pmWe armed-to-the-teeth Americans have been awaiting the arrival of Dudley DoRight and his Canadian Mounties to do the job for us. We feel it’s about time Canada got itself in the news for something other than being the birthplace of Mike Myers as he is sure to release yet another wonderful Austin Powers Sequel soon.
I wonder if their are any Americans that remember when Bush was on the USS Abraham Lincoln, He said “this is the first step in the campaign against terror; we’ve removed an ally of Al Qaeda” This quote is referring to Saddam Hussein.
August 24th, 2006 at 1:22 amIn my Hollywood award winning shockumentary miniseries, September 911 Surprise Episode 1, I include audio of George Bush Jr’s confession years ago that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Just like Cheney confessed that Bush family’s business partner and CIA employee Usama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11.
Tony Snow: “I want to be clear because I’ve heard you say this, and I’ve heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?”
Dick Cheney: “That’s correct. We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place. So we’ve never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming.”
—WhiteHouse.gov, The Tony Snow Show, “Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow”, March 29, 2006
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html
“On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, 202-324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said: ‘The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11. Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11. The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11′â€
—Ed Haas, Muckraker Report, “FBI says, ‘No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11′,” June 6, 2006
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
“The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.â€
—Usama bin Laden (Saudi Arabian), CNN News, “Bin Laden says he wasn’t behind attacks,” September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
DOH!
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August 24th, 2006 at 10:18 amYOU’LL THINK THAT BUSH IS STUPID, YET YOU’RE ALL MORE STUPID THAN HIM!!! WHY THE H**L HE GOT ELECTED FOR 2ND TIME??????
August 24th, 2006 at 11:03 amPlease, Americans… – make it stop, somehow.
I’m a dane, and thus my taxmoney pays the killing of innocent arabs in Palestine, Afganistan and Iraq, whilst young friends of mine who left Denmark as soldiers, return as wrecks, not knowing what and whom to believe.
Our primeminister is the bobbin’, drooling poodle of your goonpresident, when Georgie says ‘JUMP’, Mr. Fogh (no kiddin’, that’s the guys name) sobs ‘WHERE TO ?’.
The majority of the danish population is against the war, and was when the first soldiers where shipped from our frosty shores to the scourching desert heat.
But no one, atleast no one in charge of shit, listened.
Please, americans… – get the madmans hands of the button.
Save us, all.
GTC
August 24th, 2006 at 12:15 pmIt is better to be hated for who you are, than to be loved for what you are not.
August 24th, 2006 at 1:15 pmGeorge Bush not only doesn’t like black people… he doesn’t like ANY people. This country is on its knees mentally, spiritually, emotionally, physically and yet HE DOESN’T CARE!
Living in Floriduh I’m appalled at the lack of understanding on ANY level as to what it is that is happening in this country and the continuing attack on the Constitution.
WAKIE UP!
http://kriskristofferson.com/news/
http://www.icasualties.org THE NEWS coming out of Iraq NOT being reported by our media…which have been NEUTERED!
August 24th, 2006 at 1:48 pmWelcome to the New World Order … who can make war with the BEAST ???
Watch this Video
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Do you know what the Mark is ? ? ?
August 24th, 2006 at 1:54 pmLOL he is in deep shit, deeper then he knows himself i think!! The people who control Bush will make new moves (9/11 was their move) to take control over our minds..
Look who has the money; Rothschild dynastie, who controls the entire world banking system, oil industry and large parts of railroads and steel industrie, with the others (people like Morgan and Rockefeller) of the American Illuminati, called ‘Kapittel 322, the Brotherhood of Skull and Bones’ or in short ‘Skull and Bones’. Skull and Bones is started by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft in 1832. Since then they try to control everything what has to do with money and they trick us by using the media.
Read about it and find out who are the real leaders in the world.
Be aware and dont trust the media!
*This warning came from the Netherlands, let us hope you do take this warning serious*
August 24th, 2006 at 4:53 pm[...] Â Thinkprogress | August 23, 2006 [...]
August 24th, 2006 at 11:03 pmOK, tell me the following post with all its grammar mistakes is not absolute proof of how powerful psy-ops can be:
YOU’LL THINK THAT BUSH IS STUPID, YET YOU’RE ALL MORE STUPID THAN HIM!!! WHY THE H**L HE GOT ELECTED FOR 2ND TIME??????
Comment by Michelle — August 24, 2006 @ 11:03 am
From the dumbing down of our schools to the ignorance and deliberate incoherence of the media, the program to stupify the public has been extremely effective. This is why my concerns are ever growing: the notion that we can convince the stubborn, ignorant members of our population that deem it necessary to defend evil out of pride of the truth that stares us all in the face. It seems impossible given the extreme lack of intellect many of our citizens possess. I don’t care if you voted for him out of ignorance in the past, but if you continue to defend the administraion and its agenda(s) you are as much a threat to my freedom as the agenda itself. Point in fact, you are actually contributing to it.
Oh, and Michelle? Bush didn’t get elected EITHER time. The Illuminati rigs elections to ensure that they will have a puppet on stage that will advance their agenda. I thought everyone realized that by now seeing as how the entire world is run by evil doers. Terrorize people and they will fear you. Nurture and teach people and they will respect, admire and follow you.
http://www.jointchiefsofcash.com
August 24th, 2006 at 11:15 pmWhere is Reagan when you need him!
August 25th, 2006 at 1:17 amReagan, h**l!
August 25th, 2006 at 1:55 amWhat I’m wondering is where is:
1. The World Criminal Court
2. Some “freedom-loving” nation who can take out the crazy dictator who did not win in a fair election. If any other forign officials are reading this- HELP!!! Save us from Bush!
That lying, lying, lying scumbag…he said it multiple times. Read “Due, Where’s My Country?” Michael Moore has the quotes right there, complete with date and place.
I was in Kuwait and India last year, and scared to death because this guy made everyone in the Middle East hate us. Hey, Chimp, why not start thininking about why they *really* hate us and do something about it?!?
AMERICA , YOU ARE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE !
August 25th, 2006 at 5:26 amYou guys are making enemies faster than you kill ‘em!!! And that’s pretty fast!!!
August 25th, 2006 at 7:39 am[...] Lying to the American people about the connection between Al Quaida and Iraq? [...]
August 25th, 2006 at 9:44 amcome on yanks…….hello duuuuu.is there not one american that will ARREST this punk killer bush………you need more than god to help .
August 25th, 2006 at 10:58 am[...] In other news. The prez said Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. How this guy doesn’t get impeached is mystifying to me. His predecessor gets in trouble for a little action under his desk. And if you asked the people about it, most didn’t care. This guy leads us to war under false pretenses, in order to fulfill his own agenda. And nearly 1 in 4 people are pissed about it. Yet nobody has done anything to try to have him removed. That simple fact leaves me with little hope for anybody in the current government. [...]
August 25th, 2006 at 10:15 pmI hear all this frustration and discontent coming from a seemingly bunch of by standers waiting for SOMEONE else to do thier bidding for them (which is how we wound up in this situation in the first place)…Let me ask you all this question and then we’ll see what you are are made of…. WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP ??.in order to have the freedom and society you are all so willing to type out on a keyboard, but probably are all too unwilling to get up off your rearends for???? or worse yet give up your luxury for… the answer is simple go out and get involved in YOUR GOVERNMENT… remember everybody hopes.. the OTHER guy /girl is going to do it .YOU have to do it !!! start right here instead of whining… start coming up with action instead of attitude Responsibility instead of people bashing this isn’t a slumber party folks ….. it’s time to stop talking ……….
August 26th, 2006 at 2:38 pm[...] Shownotes: Bush Admits Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9-11 NY Times Concealed NSA Spying Program EPA Covering Up Truth Of 9-11 Dust Charles Goyette, who describes himself as “agnostic” on this topic, interviews Davin Coburn from Popular Mechanics and burns him on numerous topics [...]
August 27th, 2006 at 12:24 amI sure hope I, after 420 posts, am not the first person commenting here that has actually read the Joint Resolution to use force on Iraq of October 2002. While you poor folks are comiserating about the government lying to you and the media not reporting the whole story, your “diligent correspondent” who wrote the piece is flat out pulling crap out of his ass and writing it as fact. To wit:
To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.â€
Well Sparky, that’s a real knee slapper. You see the Joint Resolution that was drafted by members of the Congress and Senate in October 2002 said this:
Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq’s ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;
Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations;
Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;
Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40);
(further down, as well):
(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Now why on earth would the President be informing Congress of something that Congress had informed HIM of 6 months earlier?
If he in fact said that in march 2003 it sure as hell wasn’t for Congress to hear.
It must have been so Bush could repeat for the thousandth time to the American Public, something they would later claim they were never told, I can only surmise.
Let me tell you something. Bush didn’t lie about the WMD’s. Where the administration screwed the pooch is allowing people to insist they were supposed to be just lying around for us to stumble across after we gave him 5 months notice, then bombed the crap out of his country, THEN the people looted everything. I don’t know if he had them the day before the war, who the hell cares? He refused to disarm or allow that to be established, if he didn’t have them then he’d make ‘em as soon as we looked away. What 9/11 changed is we HAD to get out of Saudi territory yet could not leave that babysitting job alone.
There are at least a half a dozen good as gold reasons to start that war, the best of which will go to the grave with its architects. They are out there if you look for them, but you will never hear them slapping asses with “yes” men, or reading the columns of the equally uninformed.
****. The President informed Congress. Gimme a break.
Thank you for considering my views. J. in San Diego.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:28 amI was in Kuwait and India last year, and scared to death because this guy made everyone in the Middle East hate us. Hey, Chimp, why not start thininking about why they *really* hate us and do something about it?!?
Comment by Najeem — August 25, 2006 @ 1:55 am
Excuse me, sir, umm…. I have a question? The planning and execution of 9/11 was over a year in the making, beginning long before the little Bush- or “shrub” stole the election. If Dubya made everyone in the middle east “hate us” what do you call the sentiment that initiated 9/11? Is that like “I still love you… I’m just not in love with you anymore…”?
August 27th, 2006 at 10:02 amAstonishingly, people still defending this buffoon.
Face it, you got lied to. September 11 was ALLEGEDLY perpetrated by SAUDI ARABIAN hijackers.
Where is Osama Bin Laden? Oh yes, BUSH STOPPED LOOKING for him. The unit responsible for tracking OBL has been disbanded by Bush.
Saddam and Iraq? Nothing at all to do with OBL, 9/11 or terrorism.
WMD? That was a lie too.
Freedom and Democracy? Don’t make me laugh. Saudi Arabia and other countries which are dictatorships/authoritarian non-democracies are still “good friends” to BushCo.
Only idiots still believe the lie after lie spouted by BushCo.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:43 amOh yeah about the WMD. Look up Niger and the uranium lies (PROVEN lies too). Google is your friend.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:45 amOh and for the record more people have now been killed since “Liberating” Iraq, than under Saddam. The country’s infrastructure is destroyed, and who do you think profits off it? Oh yes, Haliburton and various American contractors (all with ties to BushCo administration)
You may also wish to research about how Saddam changed to Euros for trading in Oil, and why this decision was reversed by the imperial occupation force back to US dollars – making Iraq LOSE a huge amount of money in the process.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:48 amSeriously, Niger? Paleeeze. Google IS my friend, only you have to sort through all the hate propaganda to find the truth:
Bush’s “16 Words” on Iraq & Uranium: He May Have Been Wrong But He Wasn’t Lying
Two intelligence investigations show Bush had plenty of reason to believe what he said in his 2003 State of the Union Address.
July 26, 2004
Modified:August 23, 2004
Summary
The famous “16 words†in President Bush’s Jan. 28, 2003 State of the Union address turn out to have a basis in fact after all, according to two recently released investigations in the US and Britain.
Bush said then, “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .†Some of his critics called that a lie, but the new evidence shows Bush had reason to say what he did.
A British intelligence review released July 14 calls Bush’s 16 words “well founded.â€
A separate report by the US Senate Intelligence Committee said July 7 that the US also had similar information from “a number of intelligence reports,†a fact that was classified at the time Bush spoke.
Ironically, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who later called Bush’s 16 words a “lieâ€, supplied information that the Central Intelligence Agency took as confirmation that Iraq may indeed have been seeking uranium from Niger .
Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA’s conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium.
None of the new information suggests Iraq ever nailed down a deal to buy uranium, and the Senate report makes clear that US intelligence analysts have come to doubt whether Iraq was even trying to buy the stuff. In fact, both the White House and the CIA long ago conceded that the 16 words shouldn’t have been part of Bush’s speech.
But what he said – that Iraq sought uranium – is just what both British and US intelligence were telling him at the time. So Bush may indeed have been misinformed, but that’s not the same as lying.
Analysis
The “16 words” in Bush’s State of the Union Address on Jan. 28, 2003 have been offered as evidence that the President led the US into war using false information intentionally. The new reports show Bush accurately stated what British intelligence was saying, and that CIA analysts believed the same thing.
http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
I’ll give you this: Bush was selling the war- at that point he was supposed to, it was already etched in stone policy. This does not mean that at any time prior to the invasion, credible evidence existed that Saddam Hussein had in fact disarmed. That’s what really matters- how does one “cherry pick” when all the info that you have says “we thinkk he has WMD” or “we’re not sure he has WMD”, but NEVER did it say “We think he’s disarmed and intends peaceful coexistence with his neighbors”?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:25 pmYou may also wish to research about how Saddam changed to Euros for trading in Oil, and why this decision was reversed by the imperial occupation force back to US dollars – making Iraq LOSE a huge amount of money in the process.
I’ll say you are one of the few who even know this, congratulations. However its significance to America blew right over your head. To wit:
Second, until September of 2000 when Saddam Hussein declared his intention to accept Euros as payment for his oil under the Oil for Food Program, the US Dollar was the exclusive currency for oil payments, a deal worked out in secret by Kissinger in 1974. Seventy percent of the world’s business is transacted in US Dollars. Countries hold ourDdollars as “reserve currency because they need it for international dealings AND FOR OIL. America can literally print money and exchange it for hard goods made in China or Korea or India, and they will take those Dollars because they MUST HAVE THEM TO BUY OIL. The entire global economy is based on US Dollars, and BushCo cannot afford to let the Euro horn in as a reserve currency at the expense of the dollar. Oh yes, in May of 2003, after Saddam’s ouster, BushCo cancelled Iraq’s Euro deal and reverted to using Dollars for oil payments.
Third, by invading Iraq and creating chaos, BushCo took about 7% of the world’s oil supply off the market, doubling its price in just a few months. Suddenly, the world needed even more Dollars to pay for the same amount of oil.
Fourth, even though the past 20 years have seen an enormous decline in American jobs – the high-paying ones in manufacturing, and the modest-paying ones in service and support, we are still living high on the hog. What has changed during that time is that we now pay Asians dollars that we print (for 2.3 cents per $100 bill) for DVD players, apparel, cars, iPods, you name it. The Asians, in turn, invest those dollars in Wall Street, keeping the Dow high and mortgage rates low.
Nice work if you can get it, eh?
THIS IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS MODEL. IT CANNOT GO ON FOREVER.
One day, the Asians will decide it is time for THEM to live the good life, buy a car, a house, a DVD player, some nice clothes. And they will put fewer and fewer dollars into Wall Street. And our interest rates will rise, and the stock market will decline (along with everybody’s 401k retirement money). This is inevitable. It will happen.
But it will happen even sooner if the Euro horns in on the Dollar as the world’s reserve currency. They can print 100 Euro notes just as cheaply.
Fifth, during the late 90s, Saddam made deals with France, Russia, China, India, and a dozen other countries (but not the US or UK) to develop 70% of Iraqi oilfields. Those deals are now cancelled by BushCo. They have been replaced by PSAs (Production Sharing Agreements) with US and UK oil giants. They cannot be cancelled, even in an international court. And BushCo has built 14 state-of-the-art airbases in Iraq to make sure that nobody interferes with those new contracts.
Sixth, Iran is opening its Oil Exchange (Bourse) on March 21, 2006. Not only will they sell Iranian oil for Euros, they will TRADE OIL FUTURES FOR EUROS. This is very subtle, but very important. ANYBODY FROM ANY COUNTRY WHO WANTS TO TRADE OIL FUTURES IN EUROS WILL BE WELCOME TO DO SO. This means that countries that used to keep billions of US Dollars on hand (parked in US T-bills) for future oil purchases can now use Euros instead. THE IRAN OIL BOURSE WILL MAKE THE EURO A DE FACTO WORLD RESERVE CURRENCY. BushCo will not let this happen. BushCo will bomb Iran, using the nuclear issue (another WMD bogeyman). Any one wanna bet? And when an errant cruise missile goes into the Bourse, that will be the end of the PetroEuro market. You can expect Iran to torpedo a few tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, where 25% of the world’s oil passes. That should raise the price to $200 a barrel, maybe higher. Great- BushCo can print more Dollars!
NOW wonder why Chirac and Putin so opposed the war? Yes it’s real ugly.
Not as ugly as America in, say, 2015 with the dollar trading at pennies to the Euro?
The depression would look like the .com bubble bust compared to the dollar being replaced worldwide by the Euro.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:35 pmooops. forgot to source that:
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=50115
again, thank you for considering my point of view. J. San Diego
August 27th, 2006 at 12:38 pmAlso worth remembering is that BushCo has turned a surplus into a RECORD deficit for the USA. Please, do keep on believing these incompetents, while they continue to wreck your (and other peoples’) country.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:40 pmThis thread should have endeed at post 354. THAT was to the point and factual…. which is why it went unanswered. Saddam Hussein had little to do with 9/11. Everything to do with the war on terrorism.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:50 pmRe: post 429.
I agree. I would never make the case there has not been negatives involved, nor that Bush is terribly competent at anything. He really doesn’t have to be, tho. There are tens of thousands of analysts and advisors in Washington DC that have degrees in this **** that know what to do. You ever hear the press tell the famous mistruth “Bush went into Iraq without a plan for the occupation” or even better, “The insurgency was unexpected”? Ridiculous. The government taps dozens of DC think tanks like this: http://www.csis.org Here is a sampling of reports from the archive of Iraq, in 2002, there are about 3x this many for 2003.
Planning for a Self-Inflicted Wound: US Policy to Reshape a Post-Saddam Iraq
By Anthony H. Cordesman
December 31, 2002
Research Focus: Proliferation Prevention
The New Iraqi “Shell Game”, The Strategic Iraq May Employ to Defeat UNMOVIC and IAEA Effort
By Anthony H. Cordesman
December 5, 2002
Research Focus:
After An Attack on Iraq: The Economic Consequences – Nov. 12 conference summary
By Laurence Meyer
November 21, 2002
Research Focus: Defense Policy
Potential Costs of a War Against Iraq
By Celeste Johnson Ward
November 20, 2002
Research Focus: Proliferation Prevention
Iraq and Transnational Threats
By Arnaud de Borchgrave
November 18, 2002
Research Focus: Terrorism & Transnational Threats
After An Attack on Iraq: The Economic Consequences – Background Paper Oil Price Paths under the Four Scenarios
By Robert Ebel, Herman Franssen, Larry Goldstein and Adam Sieminshki
November 12, 2002
Research Focus: Energy
PONARS Policy Memo 249 – Russia and U.S. Policy Toward Iraq
By Ekaterina Stepanova
October 1, 2002
Research Focus: Russia & Eurasia
Iraq: A Dynamic Net Assessment
By Anthony H. Cordesman
July 21, 2002
Research Focus: Middle East & North Africa
Iraqi War Fighting Capabilities: A Dynamic Net Assessment
By Anthony H. Cordesman
July 21, 2002
Research Focus: Middle East & North Africa
If We Fight Iraq: Iraq and The Conventional Military Balance in the Gulf
By Anthony H. Cordesman
June 28, 2002
Research Focus: Middle East & North Africa
Understanding the Iraq Crisis: U.S. Forces in the Gulf
By Anthony H. Cordesman
May 10, 2002
Research Focus: Middle East & North Africa
If We Fight Iraq: Iraq and The Conventional Military Balance
By Anthony H. Cordesman
February 27, 2002
Research Focus: Middle East & North Africa
If We Fight Iraq: Iraq and Its Conventional Military Balance
By Anthony H. Cordesman
February 27, 2002
Research Focus: Middle East & North Africa
If We Fight Iraq: Iraq and Its Weapons of Mass Destruction
By Anthony H. Cordesman
February 27, 2002
Research Focus: Middle East & North Africa
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As the war approached, literally dozens of reports were flowing to the white house, from fellows in this institute, telling of what to expect. There are dozens of these think tanks they access.
Now when the press says those mistruths I mentioned, think to yourself who is lying to the public! (I’m not claiming I know Bush didn’t)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:07 pmHow does #354 respond to the fact that Bin Ladin was also CIA? The president has been lying for years and you still want to defend him? I could see if he got caught in a affair but to use Iraq as the pretext for war? Are you guys kidding me? It’s sad to see the president replace God in peoples lives.
August 27th, 2006 at 6:21 pm[...] So good work, neocon bastards. Your distraction techniques keep the average (and even the above-average) American mind off of the things that really matter. Things like the fucking pathetic fact that New Orleans is still a mess (having a goal of opening 35% of the public schools is NOT progress), and Bush’s admission that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 (surprise, surprise), get swept under the news that we get spoon-fed. [...]
August 27th, 2006 at 8:58 pmfrom what I recall, the US government never made claims that Iraq was responsible for the attacks on 9/11. the media made assumptions within the few hours AFTER the attacks, but were swiftly corrected…. as I remember it.
this video pretty much shows bush being a moron. he puts himself in the line of fire, and unfortunetly can’t dodge bullets too well.
August 28th, 2006 at 12:54 amI guess some folks are just too stubborn or “patriotic” (brainwashed) to admit to themselves they’ve been taken for fools.
Why don’t you all ask one simple question: at what point did “Osama Bin Laden” get replaced with “Saddam Hussain” all over the news? Why is it the majority of troops in Iraq, and a substantial amount of Americans, think Iraq had something to do with 9/11? What they just got that idea from their own minds?
Also, it’s not “documented” about the links between Saddam and Al Qaeda, quite the reverse in fact. Saddam was SECULAR. He went to extremes to crush any form of religious fundamentalism and dissent. OBL and Saddam were ENEMIES, I’m pretty sure OBL even had some reward for Saddam’s death!
So I ask you, where did millions of Americans get this magic idea that Saddam was involved with 9/11? The current administration that’s who. Why isn’t Osama Bin Laden ever mentioned any more? The one who supposedly masterminded the whole thing? The boss of Al Qaeda?
You can also find out if you look, that Bush wanted to attack Iraq even BEFORE 9/11. There were plans to attack Iraq based on a terror pretext, EVEN IF IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT (which we know it didn’t). WHY is that? It also raises all kinds of red flags about 9/11 in its entirity. Why the plan to attack Iraq even before 9/11? Why the military training exercises on the very same day it happened? Why were military jets in the area grounded that day? Why is it the alleged hijackers were mostly supposedly from Saudi Arabia but not one bad word (let alone war) against the Saudis? Why is it there is evidence to suggest the administration had prior warning, from the Pakistani ISI?
Honestly, if you’re sticking your head in the sand even now after all that’s happened you’re a fool, and quite probably unpatriotic as you’re supporting the continuing destruction of your country – the record destruction of your economy – more and more people not trusting and hating America because of screwed up policies and lies perpetrated by the current regime – destruction of your constitution, such as presidential “signing orders” which basically give him almost dictatorial powers to ignore the checks and balances (judiciary etc) – the very unPatriot Act – ILLEGAL wiretapping – the list goes on and on. Ask yourself what posititive things this administration has really achieved? Maybe helped make some oil buddies and Habliburton friends even richer, but what’s happened to the rest of you?
He has failed to capture Bin Laden (the alleged real mastermind of 9/11)
He has failed to make America safe (if anything it’s not even more at risk)
He has failed to make Afghanistan and Iraq “models of freedom and democracy” when they are NOW even worse condition than before. At least Saddam had some control over the place and Al Qaeda and friends would find themselves executed there.
In short, he (and this administration and the “experts” who advise them) failed America.
August 28th, 2006 at 5:37 amThere is more than enough evidence to show this administration was linking 9/11 to Iraq, not only from BEFORE the event but even as soon as 5 HOURS after it happened!
ONLY 5 HOURS AFTER THE FIRST PLANE HIT, PLANS ALREADY IN MOTION TO ATTACK IRAQ
(CBS) CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.
That’s according to notes taken by aides who were with Rumsfeld in the National Military Command Center on Sept. 11 – notes that show exactly where the road toward war with Iraq began, reports CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin.
August 28th, 2006 at 5:44 amPLAN FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. Just for fun, what do you call a government that wants to torture, take away every right from it’s citizans, create a war with out cause! Killing our own citizans and 100,000 people in a place we never should have hurt. Yes,we are the aggressor and we are committing WAR CRIMES! We are as responsible as our leaders for allowing this to continue! We must take steps to retake America! America Stands for truth and the right to speak, America stands against torture . America stands for our people in Katrina! I cry tonight because this is not my America. I call this government faschist! Who would ever thought this is what we have become! Bush lied to us about IRAQ, BUSH lies about it all!
August 28th, 2006 at 6:18 am[...] Bush flatly states that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 (and of course no one in the administration suggested otherwise) [...]
August 28th, 2006 at 12:23 pmAt this point I cannot with good conscience even state for sure 9/11 was not just us paying OBL to wake us up. The facts as I have beem able to gather up tell me that America was headed for an economic attack from either a spoken or unspoken agreed alliance of the EU, (specifically France) Saddam, Russia, China and Iran. The Saddam and France strike was long in the works, and had already been disrupted by Clinton’s strike in 1998, which was, obviously, an attempt to assasinate Saddam Hussein. It was not successful and the two had engineered a plan to change the OPEC currency to the EURO. As we speak we are still faced with the threat of China and Iran doing just that, which is why we are applying so much pressure to then. What is funny is that for 3 1/2 years it turns out many of you anti-war people, at least your “evil empire” theories, are somewhat correct. Where you are still wrong is assuming #1, it is a partisan issue- this goes back to the early 70’s and Clinton played the game too. #2 that it’s all for Bush and Cheney to line their pockets. Grow up, would you? America’s prosperity was no accident and was not all because the world loves us. They have to do business with dollars whether they like it or not, and if that should change, i.e; the number one commodity in the world and the lifeblood of any inductrialized nation, becoming purchaseable with ANYthing BUT the dollar, our way of life here will cease to exist. The result will make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park. Ask yourself what would the result be if the dollar slid to 20% of its worth to other world currencies in five years- that’s what we’ve prevented.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:56 pmI posted a link above to a rant from a guy at commondreams. A Bush hater even. HE has it down pat, and there is a link on his page to a book about “Petrodollars”. If you want the truth I think that is as close as it gets.
Our soldiers are in Iraq fighting for our freedom. Freedom to be consumers, drive cars, and buy computers to rant on the internet.
BTW,Mary, you are right. Welcome to reality. It would seem “America” is really a house of cards, an illusion. We think the world has been falling at our feet for over 6 decades because we saved them in WW2, or protected them from Soviet Expansion, bringing “freedom”. No, I guess it’s just that our leaders- corporations, banks and statesmen- were craftier and had better vision than theirs, and tilted the playing field all these years so more marbles inevitably ended up on our end. Since I know if the ability to do the same would have been theirs, the rest of the world would have too, I’m comfortable with that. Faced with this reality, if you are willing to tell me it’s the Democrat’s agenda to let the field be tilted so that the marbles go back to France and the rest of the EU, Russia, Iran, and China….. I pledge to remain Republican just to stop you, so my children can have the same opportunities that were secured for me. Don’t pretend we’re the first. Most wars in human history had a similar ulterior reason.
August 28th, 2006 at 9:10 pm[...] And the terrorists had no connection to Iraq. Hell even Bush said that. You could replace “Iraq” with any nation in the world and that statement would be equally valid. “We were not in New Zealand on September 11, 2001, but the terrorists hit us anyway.” Iraq != War on Terror. Get it through your head, asshole. Cheney said he welcomed the vigorous debate over Iraq but added: “There is a difference between healthy debate and self-defeating pessimism. “We have only two options on Iraq – victory or defeat – and this nation will not pursue a policy of retreat.” [...]
August 28th, 2006 at 10:29 pmThen I guess Al Zarqawi was from New Zealand too……
Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terrorism? Better tell these people, their evidence seems to paint an entirely different picture.
http://www.husseinandterror.com
All information is sourced at bottom. However, what Saddam was doing 4-5 years ago is not important. Because the war on terrorism is not limited to the perpetrators of 9/11. They are dead.
August 29th, 2006 at 6:03 am[...] No, Hayes is not a historian. What are his qualifications? He’s a journalist who has cultivated close ties within the White House and has become the go-to source for insiders seeking to peddle false claims on Iraq. Here are some highlights of Hayes’ record: 1. This January, Cheney was asked by then-Fox News radio host Tony Snow, “Were there links to — between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda?†Cheney answered, “Well, I think Steve Hayes has done an effective job in his article of laying out a lot of those connections.†Hayes wrote an article entitled “Dick Cheney Was Right†about the Vice President’s effort to connect Saddam to 9/11. But even President Bush said most recently that Iraq had “nothing†to do with 9/11. [...]
August 29th, 2006 at 3:20 pm[...] First it was “Saddam gave aid and comfort to terrorists,” which danced the indefinably fine line of 9/11 = Saddam. Oh yeah, by the way, Prez. W. says that ain’t so any more. Take two: “haven for terrorists” How’s it going? Attacks are up from 16 a day to more than 90 with 100 civillians dying every day. [...]
August 29th, 2006 at 3:52 pmWell if it’s a haven for terrorists, how come above you stated that Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terrorism? I’m confused. As far as claims of Saddam+9/11, except for waht Cheney himself claimed once on Meet the Press, the connection is implied by the media and people making assumptions. Why is it so outlandish to make the connection anyway? Saddam was the only world leader to openly celebrate 9/11, there is evidence connecting him to the first WTC attack, at least circumstantially by providing haven for its mastermind. After 9/11 he went on Iraq TV, which was later rebrioadcast on Al Jazeera, and raised the bounty for suicide bombers in the Palestinian Intifada-who are fighting for Islamic Jihad. You know, that little thing that Al Qaeda is a part of?
Between the time Saddam Hussein boosted his bonus payments to the families of Palestinian terrorists and the March 20, 2003 launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom, 28 homicide bombers injured 1,209 people and killed 223 more, including at least eight Americans. These bonus checks were handed out at ceremonies where banners proclaimed the friendship of the PLO’s Yasser Arafat and Saddam Hussein.
“”We are glad of the Istishhadiyyah [suicide] and heroic spirit of the Palestinian people. By Allah, what the Palestinian people does is beyond my expectations…â€
Your “secular” Saddam Hussein, March 4, 2002
August 29th, 2006 at 5:43 pmWell, talking about the ‘war on terror’ it’s seemingly impossible to ignore the Israel-Palestine conflict. I have recently given some thought to the subject and my conclusion is that if the current state of Israel has the right to the land of old time Israel – shouldn’t the native american indians have the right to the land currently in the domain of the united states? I mean, they were there first, just like the Jews of Israel.
If the united states government support Israel without recognizing their own violation and theft of land, they are big hypocrites.
I think most of the arab resistance in the middle east is because of the hypocritical involvement of the USA. If USA support Israel, they, by extension, support giving back their own land to the native original americans, but we know they have no intention of doing that, so they are hypocrites.
Just my two cents.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:14 am[...] Bush said: Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911 http://jonesreport.com/articles/210806_nothing_911.html Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 Think Progress | August 21, 2006 President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda” and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,” Bush defiantly answered. To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.” As ThinkProgress has repeatedly documented, Vice President Cheney cited “evidence” cooked up by Douglas Feith and others to claim it was “pretty well confirmed” that Iraq had contacts with 9/11 hijackers. More generally, in the lead-up to the war in Iraq, the administration encouraged the false impression that Saddam had a role in 9/11. Bush never stated then, as he does now, that Iraq had “nothing” to do with 9/11. Only after the Iraq war began did Bush candidly acknowledge that Iraq was not operationally linked to 9/11. Digg It! Full transcript: BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it? BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what? QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center. BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. http://www.ask.com/web?q=Bush+Now+Says+What+He+Wouldn%E2%80%99t+Say+B efore+War%3A+Iraq+Had+%E2%80%98Nothing%E2%80%99+To +Do+With+9%2F11&qsrc=0&o=333&l=dir Terri321 [...]
August 30th, 2006 at 6:25 am[...] Via [ThinkProgess] [...]
August 31st, 2006 at 1:58 amSimple as this Billy Bob, repeat after me:
Saddam sponsored, harbored and supported TERRORISTS. Very prolifically and conspicuously. Islamic Jihad terrorists.
We removed Saddam Hussein.
then Al Qaedam seeing an opportunity, floods into IRAQ and tries to take control.
repeat slowly- A-L Q-A-E-D-A.
We kill or capture plenty. We are not done.
Does this clarify things?
Oh, yeah I forgot. Get Bush. Yeah.
August 31st, 2006 at 6:21 am[...] And get this: Emperor Bush recently admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. So first the FBI admits that they have no hard evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11, and now Bush admits Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11: President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda†and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,†Bush defiantly answered. [...]
August 31st, 2006 at 4:37 pmTripMaster Monkey is right. We Americans _ even, or particularly, on the Left, have been cowards. As for Bush, he doesn’t even deserve the dignity of the what Ceausescu got, which was called a “trial,” but could still be called illegal and thus make him a martyr in some people’s brains. Bush should be formally tried in a real, unbiased court of law, locked up in solitary in a maximum security cell for the rest of his life, no chance of parole, ever, no conjugal visits _ one shudders at the thought of one of those might be like for such a monster _ and no special treatement. Forced to shit in a hole in the floor and drink water trickling from a toilet. He is a slaughter of civilians, children. And a mass murderer, not to mention a war profiteer, who bankrupted our country for generations. And that money went to his associates, then offshore accounts. Our money. Grandchildren’s money. As for the semantic mechanics of what he said, it doesn’t matter _ the substance of what he said, the essence of it, all lawyerly jargon aside, it was a lie. He is a liar. The Truth is not in him. Whatever he said, he definitely intended to associate Saddam and Iraq with 9-11. Drag him out of office by his pantlegs, squealing like the filthy pig he is.
September 1st, 2006 at 1:25 am[...] On Monday, August 21, President Bush conceded once again that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, yet, according to him, invading that country was necessary to stop an “emerging threat”. How exactly a country with no “weapons of mass destruction”, that had been disarmed by years of intrusive inspections and careful monitoring, was “a threat” isn’t clear. And any argument that we “liberated” the Iraqi people from the oppression of Saddam falls flat in the wake of the daily violence, tens of thousands dead and a raging civil war that has gripped that country since we invaded almost four years ago. I never really bought that “justification” anyway because, as far as I’m aware, Saddam didn’t set up roadblocks at the borders to stop people from leaving. If life under Saddam was bad, apparently, it was tolerable because the only mass exodus of Iraqi’s was the Kurds that moved into Northern Iraq to live under the protection of the U.S. “No Fly Zone”. [...]
September 1st, 2006 at 12:04 pmWatch this: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm+hq
We hope your eyes have been opened.
Terrorstorm HQ
September 1st, 2006 at 8:11 pm[...] read more | digg story [...]
September 1st, 2006 at 11:50 pm[...] In a recent press conference, the President clarified his opinion on the connection between Iraq and 9/11: BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it? BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what? QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center. BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. [ThinkProgress.org] [...]
September 6th, 2006 at 7:31 pmSorry America…
You only have yourselves to blame….
You voted his father into power…. (Hmmmm…. head of the CIA… must be a very trustworthy and honest candidate)… then you voted Jnr into power…… and then… just when you almost got rid of him… Jnr has his brother’s influence to ‘rig the election in FloriDUH’.
Come on people…… i thought America usually ‘invades, Regime changes and brings Democracy’ to those countries within whom the populace has no rights, no freedoms, and no Democratic process’……
The only difference between say… Washington and Tehran (thats the capital city of Iran), or Washington and Pyongyang (that’s the capital city of North Korea!!)
…is that those countries are ‘transparent’ with their ‘despotic rule of Government’… whereas as Washington ‘Hides’ it’s ‘Despotic rule of Government’
If you cant see something as simple as that…… !!
September 7th, 2006 at 6:16 am….then
Oh and… hey…..
isn’t it interesting to note that, ever Since The USAllies went in to Afghanistan…. opium farming, production, refining and exports (thats Heroin people) has INCREASED since the Taliban were replaced with an American puppet leader!!!
Kinda reminds you of Vietnam doesn’t it…… Drugs to fund War…… the usual M.O of the C.I.A…..
Shocking Really…..
September 7th, 2006 at 11:40 am[...] Bush press conference, August 21, 2006. [...]
September 9th, 2006 at 1:15 am[...] Bush press conference, August 21, 2006. [...]
September 9th, 2006 at 1:18 amIt’s strange to me, but I’ve had lung cancer (in remission) for almost 20 months now without praying to “God” once. George Bush has made me more the “atheist” during this time, I must thank him. Men like Abraham Lincoln scare me when they say things like “You can’t help but be an atheist if you look around…. you can’t help but believe in something more if you look up at the stars”. I don’t like being scared about the Big Sleep. If you find a man like George Bush then vote Republican, you’ll worry less like me!
September 10th, 2006 at 6:55 am[...] I wonder where they got that idea? All this even after Bush finally admitted it himself. Oh, and did I mention Bush and Cheney were told specifically by the CIA that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction back in 2002? [...]
September 10th, 2006 at 11:11 amok mr. preisdent you do that. ok look i have to write an essay on what I would advise President Bush to do about the situation in Iraq. So I have a question……If Iraq didn’t suggest the terrible incident…then who did? Did you ask them to bomb the Trade Centers? Who?,I ask. We don’t need stories and junk…what we need is answers. Tomorrow is September 9th and there will be over a billion mothers, wives, children…families sobing in discrass because they lost their loved ones to Iraq and it’s evil plan. To be honset Mr. Bush…..the world saw evil that day.
comment back if you have to say something to this..thank you.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:48 pm[...] Nevermind the facts, most of my Okie brethern still think Saddam ordered 9/11. Sigh. [...]
September 11th, 2006 at 10:07 amNO….he never made the connection. I must have imagined it all in a dream. Then I woke up and remembered these quotes from Bush/Cheney and Rice:
Lets start with Cheney
While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. (2001)
it was “pretty well confirmed” that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the “geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.” Meet the press
There’s overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I am very confident that there was an established relationship there.” – Vice President Cheney, 1/22/04
“There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda.†– Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03
Vice President Cheney said on 9/14/03 “I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection†between Saddam and 9/11
” Bush Wednesday warned that al Qaeda could become “an extension of Saddam’s madness.”( September 25, 2002 CNN)
“You can’t distinguish between al-Qaida and Saddam.†– President Bush, 9/25/02
“The regime has long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist organizations. And there are al-Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq. The regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material, could build one within a year.” (President Bush, remarks at Rose Garden, 9/26/02)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
The attacks of September the 11th showed our country that vast oceans no longer protect us from danger. Before that tragic date, we had only hints of al Qaeda’s plans and designs. Today in Iraq, we see a threat whose outlines are far more clearly defined, and whose consequences could be far more deadly. Saddam Hussein’s actions have put us on notice, and there is no refuge from our responsibilities.October 2002
The President told the country “You can’t distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam” and that the “true threat facing our country is an al Qaeda-type network trained and
armed by Saddam.” Nov 2002
“Iraq has sent bombmaking and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad.” 2/03
And it (Iraq) has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.” (President Bush, Address to the Nation, 3/17/03)
and of course we had the letter to congress.
and rice? anyone remember this:
WASHINGTON (CNN)
Thursday, September 26, 2002
The comments by Condoleezza Rice were the strongest and most specific to date on the White House’s accusations linking al Qaeda and Iraq. “So, yes, there are contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. We know that Saddam Hussein has a long history with terrorism in general. And there are some al Qaeda personnel who found refuge in Baghdad,” she said. “There clearly are contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented.”
Rice added: “This is a story that is unfolding, and it is getting clear, and we’re learning more. … When the picture is clear, we’ll make full disclosure about it.”
Full disclosure heh? Anyone want to show us where they made this full disclosure prior to the invasion? 1st time I can find this admin telling anyone was on 9/18/03. Long after it was already proven not to be true.
A classified October 2002 CIA report given to the White House directly undercut the Iraq-al Qaeda claim. Top officials in the Pentagon told reporters in 2002 that the rhetoric being used by President Bush and Vice President Cheney was “an exaggeration.”
September 12th, 2006 at 1:48 pmWhat slays me is that A very large percentage of americans had to hear ole G DubYa actually verbalize that statement to even begin to comprehend that thier country has unilaterally initiated war crimes against another country [for approx the 168th time in history] with no just cause [other than propping up the Halliburtons of the world].
Non-Americans, for the greater most part, instantly clued in when Bush, Cheny, Wolfowitz and Rummy claimed a “connection” back in 2001.
Reporter: “Where are the WMDs ?”
Rummy: Around Baghdad, to the east, west, north and south……”
America had better wake the hell up.
September 13th, 2006 at 10:06 pmi think george bush is a freakin loser… he does nothing for this country but get us all in more confrontation with froeigners. he doesnt respond well to big events like katrina but if there would have been a hurricane in d.c. he would do everything in his power to help! he is a selfish, ignorant man who does not deserve to be president! i cant wait to get him off the government.
September 14th, 2006 at 9:02 amwell u guys need to stop hatin on hte president because most of u who talk crap are the ones who elected him too!!!!!!!!
September 15th, 2006 at 11:23 am[...] The mainstream press is the same way. It seems to only be able to remember the rhetoric, the soundbites, the slogans. The “War On Terror” it remembers; the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 is forgotten. It turns into Bush’s “freedom agenda in the Middle East.” Even when the President admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks, the media remains silent. From the Cox News Service: … Publicly, at least, Bush has not explicitly blamed the attacks on Saddam. In speech after speech, however, the president has strongly linked Saddam and al-Qaida, the terrorist organization of bin Laden, the renegade Saudi whose followers hijacked jetliners and crashed them into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and rural Pennsylvania. [...]
September 17th, 2006 at 2:33 amLet me just say that I am Military. I am over here doing what is necessary to make sure that these ppl have everything they need to live the life that they are happy to accept from us. Alot of you do not know what it is like outside of your own cities let alone your country. So sit back play on your computer while I get shot at to do something for someone else. I am happy to be here. I know I’m making a difference. Are you? Or are you whining about something you know nothing about? And don’t say you do because it is impossible for you to. There are so many “secrets” that you raise your eyebrow to and scream “theories” about when you can’t get a clearance to wipe your own ass. You have to get your mothers to do it. Do your research come up with a solution and vote. Did all of you think Clinton was right in doing what he did? None the less if he had said to go to war I would have. Wow I didn’t see anything in here about the fact that there was information given to Clinton informing him about possible attacks on the USA. He did nothing about it. Notice how he didn’t get on the “Bash Bush” bandwagon. Thats because his administration knew about plots to attack. Had he acted on it there might not have been a 9/11, and we would be at war with some country.Leaving us where? AT WAR WITH SOME COUNTRY. MY POINT IS WE ARE ALWAYS AT WAR! Whether it is drugs or some small country we are trying to help get out of a dictatorship. We are the world police and there is nothing we can do about it. A new president will not help that. The machine has been set in motion. To those of you who are “upset that those who did this haven’t been arrested”. I charge you with finding them. Let me come home and see my wife and kids and let you aggressively seek out the caves. Wonder if they are trapped. Are you walking into an ambush? Are you going to lose a limb because of a IED. Get off of your butt and enlist. See how much you hurt when a friend goes home in a casket. I don’t fight this war for those of you in disbelief. You would probably spit in a vietnam vets face if you had the chance. And this isn’t about Bush. Its about those of you who haven’t a clue about the good we have done. You complain and whine from behind your computer. Come on. I’ve seen a guy get his shoulder blown out by a sniper handing food to a little girl. The ppl we are “at war” with here are by no means going to stop if we do. Hell the sniper didn’t even care if he hit the little girl. They have been raised since little kids to hate us. They’re schools under the Saddame regime taught western hate. We are not at war with them. We are protecting ourselves and protecting the lives here that want to live in freedom.
September 17th, 2006 at 9:59 amSeptember 19th, 2006 at 6:03 am
Richard Miniter’s book, “Disinformation”, will wake you up to the lies you have been fed regarding the war on terror.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:37 amAlso “Popular Mechanics” scientific research debunks the lies that many poor souls have mysteriously swallowed without thinking.
Please do yourselves a favor and read this well-researched and documented book, as well as the “Popular Mechanics” research, with open minds.
I am ashamed of the mainstream media’s agenda and persistent attempts to undermine our President and the safety and security of this great nation.
Bob Squid. You sound like the typical person I was mentioning. Yes I read. I don’t how ever believe everything I read. I see. I’ve seen our country do many great things here. Unlike you. Where are you at? I guess I can’t shake your hand when you get here. You won’t come over. Maybe your afraid your life might not mean as much if you see how little these ppl have. Typical. I will not make assumptions about you because that is your opinion. But, you can about us (military). I’ve heard the stereotypes. So keep making your “theories” be known. You will inspire someone to have a self defeating attitude and go join some neofascist group and blow up a federal building. Don’t say it can’t happen. They believed along the same principles as you. History has tought us that democracy can and does survive. How would you make this a better world. You have all the answers. I would like your input on this. How can you make it all go away. Get rid of the US? Bomb ourselves? Take over the country for your own? Be a tyrannical power? Funny these are all things Saddam did to his ppl. Or maybe you think we should just invade. Oh wait you already said we did. Let me know. I’ll read it.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:13 pmDump Miner
This story is what I think the world is going to become if everyone does not step up and realize we have a common interest and goals.
This story is how I am protesting the current situation in the World.
I also vote, even though I don’t think it really counts, I still vote every election.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:48 pm29. it’s a good thing if W decides to bomb the states that are blue in his coloring book, knowing Duhbya he would have gotten it backwards, I can just imagine it “Okay boys, time to bomb those damned blue states. Hmm Texas is very blue, General bomb Houston at 2700 hours tomorrow”. “Ah… Mr. President there is no 2700 hours, it only goes up to 2400 hours”. “Then make it 1700 hours”. “Ummmm, sir, your family is in…”. “I said DO IT!!” “Um, okay Mr. President”.
32. You’re right. The Repugs will try to convince the American public that they never proclaimed Iraq was involved in 9/11. That’s why the Democrats will have to launch a “truth blitz”. For example, here’s the idea: “They’ve told you everything…” Cut to old video tapes of the neo-Cons explaining why we have to go to war with Iraq (with the date in red letters emblazoned on a black background for a few seconds before each of the old film reels plays) “but the truth”. “About Saddam’s connections” roll the old film of Saddam and Rumsfeld shaking hands. “About the strength of the resistance” cut with the same form of dating as the above reels every one of Dick Cheney’s (known) “caught on camera” quotes about the insurgency “being in it’s last throes”. “About how much they ’support’ the troops”, then cut to one of the many disabled soldiers returning from Iraq, telling how difficult it is to actually get anything from the VA.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:21 pm“The military doesn’t believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction” cut to a headline about the report that came out in 2004 while using the voice of a newscaster reading it. “Amnesty International doesn’t believe Iraqi civilians are any better off”, cut to a report by Amnesty International with the most damning sentences highlighted in large type so that the viewer can read them. “And now George W. Bush has this to say about what links Iraq has to 9/11″ cut to the footage at the start of this, specifically the part about what links Iraq had to 9/11… “nothing”. And then this final statement, “They’re war criminals”, cut to pictures of the massacre in Iraq when the 26 civilians were killed by Marines after a roadside bomb killed a Marine. “Torturers”, cut to the famous picture of the hooded detainee attached to wires. “Traitors”, cut to a full screen image of the Constitution burning. “We’ve crossed the Rubicon, America may recover or she may fall, your vote might decide it. This November you have a choice to make: the Democrats or Der Fuhrer so this November, make the right choice, if not for you than for your children and your grandchildren” cut to photos of happy small children “because if you don’t who will?” cut to Nuclear Bomb test footage (the mushroom cloud). “Disclaimer: all statements are guaranteed facts, at least until Secretary of Truth Rove decides the’re not”.
as are you the ‘typical Military Pawn’ ~ we agree on this much good…
and yet your arguments are based on the ’sound byte’ propoganda found in the Western Media everyday (while at the same time ommitting the information that might get people actually ‘thinking’!
Great things that ‘ultimatley benefit the USA??’ ~ dont you think that, if the Iraqi people were truly happy to have you there…. they wouldn’t be blowing themselves up in order to kill some of you…… PLEASE think about that…….just for one moment………. Their feelings and beliefs are Sooooo STRONG… that they are prepared to ‘take their own lives’ to get their message accross!!! …. beyond the comprehension of MOST Westerners (myself included)!!
blockquote>Unlike you. Where are you at?
I am in London…. u know that little place where YOUR greatest Ally (Our gretaest embarressment) resides… the place where a few buses and tsubway trains were blown up recently……. due to our participation in propping up your economy!!!.. (We here in London believe that America MUST have some damming information on Tony Blair for him to follow DuhBya blindly, without question…. while he ignores the wishes of the people that put him in power (another Despot??)
Lao, Cambodia, India, Sri Lanka…… I have been to countries that dont have a tenth of what we have….I have seen the poverty, Ghettos are the same all over the World….poverty is a crime (its amazing how many really poor countries have a wealth of ‘Natural Resources’ ~ which are usually mined, excavated, piped or removed by Western Power Corporations!!!)
Typical. I will not make assumptions about you because that is your opinion. But, you can about us (military).
… really… I read your post above and it is full of Assumptions about the rest of us….. funny really….. as to ASSUME makes an ASS of U and ME!!
….. yup… or go and invade some other country…. Cuba, Vietnam, Afgahnistan, Iraq (x2)… crikey I will need to go and consult a history book to list them all…… but not bad going for a space of what…..50 years!!
blockquote>Don’t say it can’t happen. They believed along the same principles as you. History has tought us that democracy can and does survive.
My friend…… TRUE DEMOCRACY has never existed….. even the Civilisation that ‘created’ democracy had a slave population….
..FREE ENERGY!!!…. oh but wait… then there would be ‘FOOD WARS’…. so Free energy & Free Food…..nope….. then we wold have ‘WATER WARS’… (dont laugh!! Next to Global Warming ~ Global Water Shortages and the ensuing conflicts arising from nations trying to secure their own fresh water supply will be the new ‘Oil Wars’ for sure…… I
Yuh I think AMERIKA has got that one covered…….You guys have done enough of that for all of us…..
September 20th, 2006 at 5:58 amThought this an interesting acrticle from The Times.
Bush’s last stand: turning the war on its head
By Andrew Sullivan, September 10 2006.
Karl Rove has a reputation as a political genius. There’s a very good argument that this is absurd. Under his guidance an incumbent war-president with a strong economy won a bare 51% of the vote against a weak opponent, and is now facing a mid-term electoral rout. But no one need doubt Rove is tough and, when necessary, scruple-free.
One of his signature methods is taking a weakness of his own candidate and proclaiming it a strength. He pulls an Orwell. So in 2004 the presidential candidate who avoided Vietnam — George Bush — ran on being a military hero and the candidate with the war medals — John Kerry — found himself trashed as a coward and a fraud.
Last week we saw the classic Rovian contours for the November campaign. The Republicans are going to run on Guantanamo Bay. No, I’m not hallucinating. The evidence was in the president’s speech last Wednesday. The headlines trumpeted that Bush had finally admitted the existence of secret CIA black sites in eastern Europe, and that the American military would henceforth be barred from using any coercive interrogation techniques. That is all true.
But the real news was something different. The president simultaneously sent to Capitol Hill a bill that would legalise the military tribunals the Supreme Court had found unconstitutional in June, allow an elite squad of the CIA to continue Geneva-banned coercive interrogations, and grant retroactive legal impunity to all civilian officials who had authorised torture and war crimes since 9/11.
Among the techniques now banned in the military, used against prisoners in the “black sites†and still reserved for potential use by the CIA are the following: “waterboardingâ€, that is, tying a prisoner to a plank and pouring water through a cloth over his face so he feels as if he is drowning; induced hypothermia by keeping prisoners naked in cold cells and covering them in water; forcing prisoners to stand indefinitely by tying their wrists to ceilings or posts; and sleep deprivation for up to two months.
How does this help the Republican campaign? Without describing them, Bush’s speech essentially said that without these interrogation techniques thousands of Americans would have been murdered, and so they have to be retained as options by the CIA. Wouldn’t this violate the Geneva conventions and American law, as the Supreme Court found? Under any rational interpretation, yes. But Bush has asserted that these techniques are not “torture†as he defines it and if Congress goes along with this, such techniques become legal with the president’s signature.
The push for passage in the months before the election is intense. Last Thursday Bill Frist, the Republican leader of the Senate, even threatened to bypass a committee of three resistant, constitutionalist Republican senators (John McCain, John Warner and Lindsey Graham) to get the measure to the Senate floor and force the Democrats to “side with the terroristsâ€.
The rationale is clear. In the week of the fifth anniversary of 9/11 the president wants to change the debate from Iraq, from Iran, from the past and position himself once again as the indispensable protector. It’s territory he knows and feels secure on: goading the opposition as appeasers and terror lovers.
But Bush had one more ace to play. Here’s the critical quote from the speech: “We’re now approaching the five-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks — and the families of those murdered that day have waited patiently for justice. They should have to wait no longer. So I’m announcing today that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, and 11 other terrorists in CIA custody have been transferred to Guantanamo Bay . . . As soon as Congress acts to authorise the military commissions I have proposed, the men our intelligence officials believe orchestrated the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans can face justice.â€
So any congressional resistance to Bush’s war crimes and military tribunal bill will be depicted as delaying justice for the perpetrators of 9/11. The choice in the November elections will be described as being between breaching the Geneva conventions or backing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
Will it work? That remains to be seen — but what was striking last week was how strong the opposition was from leading Republicans and the military. That doesn’t make for the kind of partisan split Rove wants to exploit. Well, no one said he was smart. Just brutal.
It is, of course, a phoney choice. In reality the detention policies pursued by Bush have made prosecution of many of the 9/11 perpetrators much more difficult.
Evidence procured by torture cannot be permitted in a trial without destroying centuries of Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence. Moreover, most American military lawyers believe the long-established procedures under the code of military justice are far preferable to the kangaroo courts devised by Bush.
As for the torture techniques, the army deputy chief of staff for intelligence testified last week that “no good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. I think history tells us thatâ€. Who are we to believe? The president or the army? It’s also clear Bush’s policy is a PR disaster. The trial of monsters like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed could be a great propaganda weapon for the West. But only if the trials are seen to be fair and open and in line with Anglo-American justice. If the trials violate the Geneva conventions then the PR victory goes to Al-Qaeda.
Surely the president knows this. The most generous interpretation is that he believes that torture has worked in getting intelligence from suspected terrorists; and that interrogation techniques perfected by Stalin’s secret police are not violations of the Geneva conventions. He may simply have persuaded himself that he hasn’t authorised what he has plainly authorised. I’m not sure what level of psychological denial this amounts to; but it is unnerving in a president of the most powerful country on earth.
The more realistic interpretation is more depressing. It is that Bush knows exactly what he’s doing, believes torture works, wants to cement it in law and simultaneously wants to declare the US is still in compliance with Geneva. Squaring this circle requires that his semantic distinction between “coercive interrogation techniques†and “torture†will become conventional wisdom.
For good measure, he must also see this as a political gamble. He has seen the polls — and they are grim for the Republicans. The only way to turn this around is a striking initiative — and returning to the prosecution of the 9/11 criminals is about as good as it gets.
The stakes are high. If the Democrats gain the House or Senate in November, congressional investigations into the torture policy could begin, and no one knows where that might lead. So Bush’s war crimes bill is designed to do two things: recast the campaign as one in which only the Republicans are serious about terrorism, and pass legislation that can retroactively protect Bush officials from any future war crime prosecutions.
In the next two months the president is fighting for what remains of his political life. This much we now know: he is not going down without a struggle.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:23 amI LOVE BUSH!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:44 pmAll you haters out there don’t unnerstand. We Republicans gotsta represent!!
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September 22nd, 2006 at 11:50 pmI think Bush is a ASSHOLE. He made my sister fight in the war for no reason. i think Bush should just leave office cause there is no piont of him being there.
October 3rd, 2006 at 3:42 pm[...] Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 [...]
October 14th, 2006 at 11:22 amWhoops. Sorry.
I was mistaken.
October 23rd, 2006 at 4:59 amDenver to D.C. – Walk for the Truth
On Feb. 1, 2007 Elliott Nesch and Raymond Schwab are walking from Denver Colorado to Washington D.C. This March for Truth is based on:
The truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the need for all people to repent and turn to the Lord that healing may come to our nation. We must be a country which embraces justice, righteousness, and truth, and be vigilant in the responsibility of preserving the American Republic from apathy, tyranny, and immorality.
The truth of the poor testimony of the Evangelical church in America who when surveyed was listed as the number one supporter of the war in Iraq and illegal practices and policies of the Bush administration without debate, reservation or caution. Not only has the church failed to be the voice of truth and reason but has sent its sons and daughters to be soldiers of this secular battle rather than supporting the widow and orphan, building the church in Iraq, preaching the gospel of peace, holding our government to righteous standards, and holding the President accountable for his behavior since he claims to be a born again Christian. This blind loyalty is not only dangerous, but it is also a blot on the name of Christ and his testimony to the nations affected by our countries poor domestic and foreign polices post- 911.
The truth of the unanswered questions surrounding the terrorist attacks on 9/11 2001. More and more contrary facts have emerged, challenging the official story, from reputable scientist, scholars, and government officials. These unanswered questions, such as what happened to building seven, are critical due to the fact that 911 was the pretext for the current conflict in both Afghanistan and Iraq. We ask for a new independent council to be demanded by the Congress and for the church to not hide its head in the sand concerning these matters since we are lovers of truth, no matter what the cost. History has shown what happens when the church becomes blind to government atrocities and propaganda.
Evangelicals should be ashamed of their leader’s war cries. We desire to discuss/ debate this issue in the churches and cities through which we travel on the way to Washington. We will present a petition of Grievances to the President of the United States and ask for a clear plan of withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as his resignation. We will rally in the state Capitols of Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and Pennsylvania seeking Congress to exercise its separation of power in demanding a clear plan of withdraw in the middle east, assigning a truly independent council to investigate the unanswered questions surrounding 9-11, and hold the executive branch responsible for flagrant and wanton violations of the Geneva Convention, International Law, The Bill of Rights, and criminal law. This is not a partisan issue. It is about the integrity of the American people. It is about the truth.
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October 30th, 2006 at 2:12 amwell well well,
Georgie Porgie hasn’t kissed enough girls lately, although bet the one he has kissed has cried pretty recently.
But seriously, more importantly – he’s getting better and better at putting both feet in his mouth at once, eh?
Amazing hearing him admit that Sodamned Insane wasn’t the jerk behind the 9-11 incident.
Here’s hoping those dead half-million Iraqis forgive us, to say nothing of the few thousand of our own GI’s that have laid down their lives for Georges need and paranoia.
one planet, one human race, NATIONAL DIVISIONS ARE KILLING US AS WELL AS THIS PLANET WE ALL DEPEND ON FOR LIFE.
get a clue or BE THE PROBLEM.
November 1st, 2006 at 12:07 pm[...] Originally Posted by Freedom for All Gotta wonder what these flakes are going to say when the Red Queen (Hillary) runs for office. It’ll go something like this, "She never served, but she slept with the Commander-in-Chief." I wonder if the Surrender Monkeys understand that the world changed on September 11th, 2001? We can’t cower inside our ivory towers, the enemy knows where they are. We have to kill the enemy…but we should chop down the ivory towers anyway. Yes the world changed on 9/11 and this is a complete red herring, Iraq had nothing to do with those attacks. Bush himself now even admits to this after he lied about it for so long, he had no choice but to admit it because the evidence was overwheliming. President Bush was in the midst of explaining how the attacks of 9/11 inspired his “freedom agenda” and the attacks on Iraq until a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,” Bush defiantly answered. Think Progress » Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 911 period!!!!!!! Quote: [...]
November 5th, 2006 at 3:32 am[...] * Watch The Video of President Bush’s interview today. [...]
November 7th, 2006 at 9:39 pmSaddam Hussein has had an undeserved trial, should have been grenaded in his rathole, but sentenced to hang for many murders, tortures, aiding and abetting terrorists in more ways than a POTUS can “feather his nest”. Documented sources note Saddam raised $10,000 homicide bomber incentive to $25,000 which is a lot of money for a retarded or demented family member by anyone’s estimation. I blame Bush for consorting with Vincente Fox to flood the USA with illegal aliens from Mexican jails, assylums, TB wards, etc. These Islam nutjobs have been messing with the USA for entirely too long and payback was very overdue. To Saddams credit he called off his dogs from killing their fellow Muslims.
November 9th, 2006 at 12:29 pmThe film,”BORAT” starring English comedian Sacha Baron Cohen, is about a fictional misogynistic, wife-beating Kazakh journalist who depicts Kazakhstan as a country whose people are addicted to horse urine and are fond of rape, incest and shooting dogs. The Kazakestan secret is OUT. Do they also EAT what they SHOOT?
Just JOKING…but certain people who are berift of sense of HUMOR, might riot like that American group which is prone to RIOT.
November 9th, 2006 at 12:40 pm[...] After months of studied ambiguity, President Bush finally admitted that Iraq had “nothing” to do with the attack on the World Trade Center. The Defense Department, however, appears determined to perpetuate the myth. [...]
November 11th, 2006 at 9:16 pmHoly crap – 483 posts.
To the 911 conspiracy theorists…
Assuming these guys were smart enough to arrange such a conspiracy and find enough Americans to play along with the idea of killing 3000 other innocent Americans, smart enough to fake the Flight 93 phone calls, smart enough to plant fake Muslims doing flight training, smart enough to fake the video of OBL where he is shown celebrating his 911 victory, etc, all for the cause of justifying an invasion of Iraq…
shouldn’t they then also have been smart enough to pin 911 on Saddam rather than OBL? Or at least do a better job of faking evidence that Saddam and OBL were working jointly on the 911 attack?
Fact is, the neocons are stupid as bricks, as is the puppet-in-chief, and I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a sufficient cabal of American military leaders who would support such an insane idea.
Occam’s razor indeed. OR would indicate that this explanation is the least plausible. If you need a conspiracy theory, you don’t have to reach so far into the bizarre.
The most plausible “conspiracy” is that (a) 911 happened under-the-radar because of vast incompetence of the Bush administration, (b) the neocons siezed the opportunity as an excuse to press their plan for precipitating the New American Century, (c) they cynically appealed to the end-times mind-f*** of the Christofascist base to provide political clout, and (d) they pressed their agenda through the right-wing media propaganda machine, overwhelming the deteriorating MSM. All of it was effectively underwritten by (or at least happily ignored by) defense/oil/corporate interests which, BTW, run straight up to the Oval Office.
All of these things are quite real and plainly evident. No need to resort to the ridiculous.
November 12th, 2006 at 1:19 am[...] After months of studied ambiguity, President Bush finally admitted that Iraq had “nothing†to do with the attack on the World Trade Center. The Defense Department, however, appears determined to perpetuate the myth. [...]
November 12th, 2006 at 4:38 pm[...] After months of studied ambiguity, President Bush finally admitted that Iraq had “nothing†to do with the attack on the World Trade Center. The Defense Department, however, appears determined to perpetuate the myth. [...]
November 14th, 2006 at 2:45 am[...] Video: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/ [...]
December 12th, 2006 at 6:49 pmGO BUSH!! KEEP OUR BOYS THERE TIL LTHE JOB IS DONE!
December 30th, 2006 at 10:22 pmLies, lies, and more lies……when will we hold this president to a higher standard??? Is this what we accept and expect from one in the highest office in this country?? Is this behavior what we condone? Surely, not! Does he really think it “cute” or “funny” perhaps that he basically admits to lying? After all – we impeached Nixon for lying about spying on his political opponents…..this man lies/many people die! What’s up with not pressing for his immediate impeachment like we did to Clinton for having sex with someone??
Where is the “moral compass” which once led this country?
March 1st, 2007 at 10:49 amWell now….so Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?? Then WHO did? Certainly if they knew that OBL was the “culprit” we would have gone after him in Afghanistan but did not; instead, we tried to pin it on Hussein because it gave us a handy excuse to invade his country….hmmmm? Perhaps it’s now time to reopen the ambiguities (and the pres just alluded to one of his own) and allow the people to begin connecting the dots themselves?? Think it’s time!
March 1st, 2007 at 10:51 am#470 – hey….perhaps you can “enlighten” a few of us here – “what the heck’s IS ‘THE JOB’ to which you refer????
March 1st, 2007 at 10:52 amBrother Raymond: I couldn’t agree with you more in that it’s “time” to reopen this investigation in light of it being the pretext for a war we now know was build on a mountain of lies and twisted intelligence. Now even Bush is admitting that he was wrong about Hussein and his culpability for 9/11….so it is “time” to press our Congress to begin a bipartisan, thorough investigation of the timelines, documented data, testimony of administration officials, etc. in order to locate the “truth” which seems to be buried in the avalanche of misinformation which has purposely been circulated to create a smoke screen. Unless/until this country is able to learn the whole TRUTH about these events and process them into their collective psyche, it can never heal itself from the wound inflicted by 9/11 or perhaps the misdeeds of high ranking officials in it all.
Human beings are “hardwired for truth”; that is, in their conscience (guts) they know that things are not adding up. The amazing thing is that we can handle the Truth – it’s the lies which we cannot handle or process adequately because they leave so many unanswered questions and doubt…..
Everything in it’s “time”….as in Eclesiastes….”there is a time unto heaven……
March 1st, 2007 at 10:58 am[...] is the link Mr Howard and Mr Downer to a video of a George W. Bush categorically saying that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. So why are our troops there? Answer me you little weazels. Answer to the Australian public for [...]
April 9th, 2007 at 9:13 pm