Pat Buchanan’s Anti-Hispanic Rhetoric Echoes Earlier Anti-Immigrant Hysteria
Pat Buchanan’s Anti-Hispanic Rhetoric Echoes Earlier Anti-Immigrant Hysteria
In his new book and in numerous media appearances, Pat Buchanan has been trying to make the case that Mexican immigrants are fundamentally unlike past immigrant groups. Buchanan, who is of Irish ancestry, argues that Germans, Irish, Italians, etc were different because they were willing and able to assimilate. Last night on Hannity and Colmes he stated, “[T]he guys I went to school with in the ’50s and ’60s and the ’40s, they were the sons of immigrants. They’d all been completely assimilated, Americanized. We were marinated in the same culture.”
But Buchanan’s statements against Hispanic immigrants mirror the charges that German, Irish, Italian, Jews, and other immigrant groups also faced. Some examples:
Immigrants will not be able to assimilate:
Where the Italians wanted to be part of our family, millions of Mexicans are determined to retain their language and loyalty to Mexico. They prefer to remain outsiders. They do not wish to assimilate and the nation no longer demands that they do so. [Buchanan, p. 28, 2006]
VERSUS
Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751]
Immigrants are responsible for crime:
Many Hispanics, as a matter of fact, you know what culture they are assimilating to? — the rap culture, the crime culture, anti-cops, all the rest of it. [Buchanan, 8/22/06]
VERSUS
“The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses. … Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country.” [Chicago Post, 1868]
Immigrants plan to commit treason against America:
Mexican-Americans can now become citizens of Mexico again. The whole idea is to create this giant fifth column in the United States which can leverage the American government in elections and pressure them to do what is in the interest of the nation of Mexico. [Buchanan, 8/22/06]
VERSUS
[A] set of citizens, German and Irish, wanted to get the Constitution of the U. S. into their own hands and sell it to a foreign power. [Theme of an American Nativist Party rally, 1844]
Immigrants come from inferior cultures:
[A]lmost all immigrants today, legal and illegal, come from countries and cultures whose peoples have never before been assimilated into a First World nation. [Buchanan, p. 221, 2006]
VERSUS
Today, instead of a nation descended from generations of freemen bred to a knowledge of principles and practice of self government, of liberty under the law, we have a heterogeneous population, no small proportion of which is sprung from races that throughout the centuries have known no liberty at all… In other words our capacity to maintain our cherished institutions stands diluted by a stream of alien blood, with all of its misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed. [Rep. Albert Johnson, 1927, justifying the 1924 National Origins Act]
Immigrants will dilute the white race:
If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived. [Buchanan, p. 11, 2006]
VERSUS
The number of purely white People in the World is proportionally very small…in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are Germans also, the Saxons only accepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751]
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After reading comments from both sides, Pat Buchanan is a pure American. White male that fears and hates other cultures.
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmHe starts to make sense, then he smashes his face into a wall.
It’s been a lifelong pattern for him.
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:50 pmMore on the subject of cultural and economic assimilation from the Washington Post:
“Despite claims to the contrary, census data show that most Latino immigrants learn and speak English quite well. Only about 2.5 percent of American residents speak Spanish but not English. The majority of residents of Spanish-speaking households speak English “very well.”
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:51 pmBlending In, Moving Up
Al Franken chewed Buchanan up pretty good today. Very Awkward.
OT, here’s a must read: http://www.harpers.org/ sb-seven-michael-scheuer-1156277744.html
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:54 pmthere’s an equally insidious kind of rascism operating in the united states, as juan cole so astutely points out…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:55 pmI think this immagration bullshit is failed point. EVERYONE IN THE AMERICA’S INCLUDING NATIVE AMEICANS ARE IMMAGRANTS. Life started in Africa, then WE MIGRATED out to other parts of the world.
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:56 pm“If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived.”
Have any nations undergone so radical a transformation and not survived? This is a meaningless statement, other than the fact that it exposes Buchanan as a racist idiot.
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:58 pmDear Amanda - Last summer, we had three Hispanic tweekers shot and killed in San Diego County during the comission of a crime or fleeing a crime and turning with a weapon. This occurred over a period of four days. Who do YOU think the relatives and gang associates of the “dearly departed” blame? District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis recently turned over a “fact-finding” report on the incidents….BTW, THE families are going forward with their lawsuits….(hint:) NO, they’re not suing their son’s estates….
Before you don the mantle of the poor gang-banger, take a look at the stats re: the jail populations in Los Angeles County, Orange County, Riverside County and San Diego County. The rotten apples embarrass the hardworking Mexican AMERICAN to their marrow.
August 23rd, 2006 at 2:58 pmmighty,
I agree with you 100%. You’re still a dumb whore, though. Here, broaden your murderous mind:
http://www.harpers.org/ sb-seven-michael-scheuer-1156277744.html
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:01 pmTo say that Mexicans are into the rap culture shows how out of touch Pat Buchanan is. None of the Mexicans around Orange County are into the rap culture. They all drive around blaring that Mexican music with the accordian and the hig pitched “ah ha ha haaaa” in it.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmtimes change but racism does not.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmDLC - great link!
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmDoes TP advocate following our laws?
Or does TP advocate simply allowing anyone and everyone to come here as they please?
I’d like to go to Mexico and make demands, but their border patrol prevents me.
Funny that.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmTryannical Teabagger,
You are nothing but a pure and hateful racist.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmUnfortunately Pat is speaking to alot of like minded folks here in West Virginia. Maybe Pat will get the chance to have a grandbaby that’s of hispanic descent.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:31 pmLove brings understanding.
#6
That would mean that we are all black! I already knew that FACT, but watch the WASP suicide rate climb if that little gem ever gets out…
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmDoes TP advocate following our laws?
you know, the ‘good’ laws that effect the dark people most. i don’t mean illegal wiretapping, torture, and corporate extortion. no, i mean those dark people laws…
Or does TP advocate simply allowing anyone and everyone to come here as they please?
yes, those mexicans with their tamales and that odd sauce made with chocolate that is remarkably tangy, and their dark skin! if only they were really shiney squeeky white. and the language! ay curumba!
I’d like to go to Mexico and make demands, but their border patrol prevents me.
even i don’t really know what i mean with this one…but, it sound as if the mexicans are being unfair, so i just said it.
Funny that.
i think i said this either to imitate a british phrase to make me sound smart, or, because i am actually british–a member of the coalition of the willing–and, therefore, a dark-skin hating quasi-aryan.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pm#15 - I know what you mean, west virginia hillbilly, I hear it everyday in here in Idaho.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmSam
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:40 pmGreat job of constructing and then demolishing that strawman!
Does the President of the U.S. advocate following our laws? Or does the President of the U.S. advocate that his administration do whatever it pleases? I’d like to be sure that our government is only spying on suspected terrorists and is doing a good job of it but the Bush administration prevents me. Funny that.
This immigrant thing has been done so meay time on this site can’t you people come up with anything NEW! quit rehashing the hash!
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:44 pmHow about rehashing the flag burning again. why don’t you put up about the teacher who burned the flag in their class room infront of the students. Lets get some of the old crap going again.
August 23rd, 2006 at 3:47 pmillegal immigration is a problem and does need to be addressed but this thread shows the fear mongers way regarding past “threats to our culture”. Same shit, different flies.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmI like all of these quotation pairs, rather than making Pat look bad I think actually it’s denigrating Ben Franklin. Of course none of this matters because it’s an apple to oranges comparison.
Irish, Germans, French, Russians, Italians, Swedes, all got here LEGALLY.
The problem Pat is referring to is ILLEGAL immigration.
So, I with a few others, believe this is a nation of laws. Bush broke the law with his wiretapping, but that doesn’t excuse 20 million Mexicans from doing the same. Sorry they are both wrong.
If you support the rule of law then you are against illegal immigration, if you aren’t then you are disqualified from complaining about anything Bush does, period. It proves that you are a hypocrit and an idealogue, and won’t take a stand for the rule of law due to your own ingrained fear of saying anything that might be perceived as “un-PC”, that makes you a coward. This applies to most of you in this thread whom I might otherwise agree with 99% of the time.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:16 pmMy great grandmother lived in America four times longer than she lived in Italy, yet she never spoke very good English. She considered herself Italian and had little interest in assimilation. It’s why I think so many Italians are still pronounced in tehir regard of their heritage and culture - because even two, three, and four generations later, there’s still a connection. It hasn’t made any of us criminals, lesser citizens, or traitors… I doubt it will corrupt the Mexican community living in our country either.
Pat is just looking for excuses to be a bigot.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:16 pmTheres many parts of Mesa where English is the second language.
Comment by David — August 23, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
Clearly it’s not your main language either…
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:19 pmBoy,
There’s a lot of ‘irritable bowels’ here today! ;)
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:23 pmOne of my coworkers probably loves Pat Buchanan. I just read something sent to me about Robin Williams’s “new plan” for the US and everthing he said in that “plan” is VERY similar to these atrocious and close-minded statements by Mr Buchanan. He and Patty here must be good chums.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmI wish all racist, ignorant people would grow a brain and bother to learn something. And Conservatives say bleeding heart Liberals are scary?? I’d rather be a scary Liberal than be a closed minded Ultra Conservative like Mr Buchanan here. Shall we start building that Great Wall of the USA? Look how well it worked for China!! *cough*
“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.†-Sinclair Lewis
Thanks to whoever posted that quote a few days back.
When I lived in L.A., I found Hispanics to be the most family oriented, fun loving,
generous people I’d ever known. I’m blonde, blue eyed & 6′ tall. It didn’t matter
to them. All they asked was mutual respect.
I took my induction physical in L.A. the day after MKL was assasinated. I had to
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pmwalk through Watts to get home. I should have died. Groups of angry men & kids
were on every street corner. (1968) I was the only whitie in sight. They would sic
kids on me to taunt me into arguing. I was polite, looked straight ahead & kept on
walking. I made it through uninjured. I learned more that day about racism and how
to give people mutual respect than I had ever learned in my hometown of Norwegian
and Swedish descendants in Minnesota…
Then I arrived at Marine Boot Camp & found out what Universal Racism is, but that’s
another story.
1 Planet
1 People
1 Chance
That “Robin Williams e-mail” is a fake. Robin is a liberal.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pm#34 should have read MLK, or Martin Luther King.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmDo you think that the fact that Robin Williams said those things made him wake up and say “I need to go to rehab.” or is Pat Buchanan a drunk a$$hole like Robin Williams. There must be some kind of connection.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pmDid he come out and publicly say so?
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmGeez, David,
The only thing I got out of that rant was that your brother was too lazy to teach his kids English!
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmdoes not equal racism
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:52 pmcousin, sorry…
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:53 pmDid he come out and publicly say so?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 23, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Someone posted a link a few months ago when it first came out about it being a fake. It was to a reputable site. I don’t remember the details as it wasn’t and isn’t a critical priority to remember them, but if you listen to other things that Robin Williams says, he’s well, one - funny (which that email was not), and two - liberal. Doesn’t take much more than common sense to see that the email doesn’t match the person:
“When the media ask him [George W. Bush] a question, he answers, ‘Can I use a lifeline?’”
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmWHA???
First it’s immigrants, now you’re rambling about Navajo’s.
I think you’re half in the bag, now.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 pmI’ll have to go with #6 Al Gore.
Even the Native Americans came from Asia via the Bering Strait.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmOh yeah, I have lived in AZ since 1976, I even lived in Mesa for a time. The place is crawling with the likes of David. He does a disservice to my real first name.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmHey, For Truth!
How are ‘ya?
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmSo I guess I should take AZ off my re-location list?
Oh Boy,
You can see David holds women in much higher esteem than he claims men from Mexico do…..
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:12 pmThe almost universal trait is rampant alcaholism and domestic abuse, their treatment of women is horrible as practiced in mexico. Its almost like enslavement. Alcaholism and spousal abuse which go hand in hand is the rule not the exception.
Comment by David — August 23, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
And thats a mexican tradition? Please turn TVE channel (Spain) and count the number of stories related with domestical abuses. I could tell you at least 3 countries where people get boozed a lot more than in Mexico (Im not counting the springbreak cause those are low self- esteem americans): Japan, Russia and Spain.
It would be ideal to fix immigration but there is no way in hell that will ever happen so i will shut up about it and urge them to bring some chicks too lol
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:24 pmComment by David — August 23, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
Well, yeah, there are some pretty hot women here if thats what you meant in your “Im still a virgin” slang.
Hello, true. Have to eat something. Talk to you later.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:25 pmHey, Juan,
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmTalk to you soon.
Hello TrueBlue,
Yeah AZ may not be the best place for liberals to live, however, in Flagstaff, AZ, where I live, we are a mostly liberal town. We have the highest education per capita in the entire north half of the state. Does that say anything?
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmI have a little book here called “Gotham” about the history of NY to 1898, that shows that countless immigrants throughout various periods in Manhattan kept within their own social heritage groups and were often both unwilling to integrate and often kept outside of the larger social fabric of the city.
Just because it’s convenient for Buchanan to push junk sociology to further GOP anti-immigrant hysteria doesn’t mean letting facts get in the way of truthiness. But then again Buchanan has never been accused of being smart.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pmI am white. I grew up in a town that is 70% hispanic, with about 40% of those being illegal immigrants. Most of my friends are hispanic, and thier views on this whole issue are very different than what you might assume also.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:32 pmThere are massive cultural differences between the traditional American culture and traditional Mexican and Central- and South-American cultures.
One glaring example is very simple, and those of us who live in Los Angeles see it every day. This thing is throwing trash out of one’s car or onto the street while walking. I log about 200 miles a day on my route JUST IN LA COUNTY, and I see it everywhere, and yes, it is culture-bound. I see other ethnicities do it from time to time, but it is largely the hispanic population who does this. I have seen people throw watermelons, dirty diapers, bags full of trash, a box full of crushed cans, and more. Does pointing this out make me racist?
When I went to Mexico and South America last year, I was stunned by the amount of trash everywhere. Simply put, it is in the culture to litter. Not out of any flaw of character, it is simply a cultural difference. My friends find it awful, as it plays into the perception by some that immigrants are destroying america. But is pointing that out anti-hispanic? You have to be a realy dim bulb to think so.
My point is this: immigrants, be they illegal or legit enrich our society in many ways, but may need to be taught certain things that are part of the culture Americans aspire to, i.e not littering, driving at least the speed limit, etc. These little things add up, and it is unfortunate that we bash people who simply may not be aware of the different cultural mores.
I went through in Flagstaff in ‘88. (cross- country thing) It was nice.
Saw “A Fish Called Wanda” there!
I’m just tired of being in the only conservative part of MA!
Thanks, For Truth!
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:32 pmThere are valid arguments to be made on all sides of the immigration issue; unfortunately, racism is a huge factor in many of them.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:35 pmI don’t pretend to have an answer - obviously , no one does, because there isn’t a solution on the horizon, but when certain ethnic groups are singled out, I have a problem.
I was at a Democratic meeting recently where Minutemen were well-represented and they made a lot of sense - but during the Q & A, all their replies were bigoted and racist - they lost me.
When I was young, I was subjected to bigotry - only it was in the form of “you’re not like those other Eye-talians, who are greasy thieves,” or comments assuming my family was mafia, and things like that.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:40 pmSo if I tend to seek a more compassionate and fair solution, that’s partly why.
Two things:
First, Pat Buchanan is a racist. And you want to sue me for libel, Mr. Buchanan, I invite you to do so. The truth is a defense against libel charges.
Second, we still seem to be focusing on this issue as only an illegal immigration problem, and not through any of the other frames which aptly apply. It is also, quite legitimately, a Humanitarian Crisis which necessitates working out a solution with the government of Mexico. It can also be seen as an Illegal Employer problem which would mean the Bush administration would have to do something it doesn’t want to do: penalize businesses.
And would it really kill people to learn a few rudimentary Spanish phrases to help talk to the people that you meet when you’re walking down the street? People in this country need to get over their fear of learning other languages. Imagine what we could learn about what people in other parts of the world were saying about us if we could read their newspapers in their native languages. Imagine if Americans could read and understand Arabic. Wouldn’t that change things? (Remember, if you can’t read what they wrote yourself, then you have to rely on the government accurately telling you what they said. Do you trust this government to tell you the truth? I wouldn’t.)
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:47 pm#60 Marie,
Jane works in our Customer Service department and sometimes people ask where our company is located and she tells them “New York.” Someone actually responded, “But you’re so polite.” [sotto voce: yeah, yeah, screw you!]
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmMore republican prejudice and racism… why am I not surpised? They dislike blacks, they dislike hispanics, and they very much dislike homosexuals.
They never quote facts, its just straight-shoot prejudice and its disgusting.
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:17 pmIf only my American Indian ancestors had the kind of immigration laws Buchanan wants, then the likes of him would never have gotten in this country.
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:09 pmWhatever happened to “the great melting pot?” I thought that the diverse multi-culturalism in America was its greatest strength. We need to not just tolerate each other, but rather to embrace the differences amongst our cultures if we want this country to be great once again.
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:25 pmYou compare quotes from way back and quotes from today, and try to use that to dismiss and cover up the real issue and shut down communication. However, the *numbers* are the difference here. Compare the numbers and variety of national origins of immigrants then and now. Its not in the same ball park, not even in the same city. Numbers this large cannot be assimilated fast enough. The melting pot can’t work. But balkaniztion can.
Its not just Mexicans, like so many people seem to think, its unprecedented numbers from everywhere, people of all races. Mexicans are the majority though, and they are unique in the fact that they are just a short drive away from being back home in Mexico to strengthen their bonds and alliegiances to their mother country. Could the Irish immigrants do that?
The Mexican govt has published guides to breaking U.S. Immigration law and distributed them to their citizens. In 1998, at the height of the growing invasion, Mexico changed its laws to give Mexicans living in America dual citizenship and the right to vote in Mexican elections. Read what our founding fathers had to say about dual loyalties.
Vincente Fox has campaigned in America (in every one of the Reconqusita states of course) for the Mexican vote. There are permanent Mexican consulates in 47 states now, and even “roaming” consulates that move around the states setting up temporary booths to issue easily-faked mexican ID cards. (I’ve personally seen them at it.) The Mexican govt actively lobbies in the U.S. to coerce businesses to accept them as acceptable and valid ID — to circumvent and undermine U.S. Immigration Law. “Reconquista”, which is for now still in the form of remittances funneled from the U.S. to Mexico, is now Mexico’s #2 industry, after oil.
When you put all the pieces together, patterns start to form. I’m one who hates conspiracy theories, but no rational person can deny these things are going on. Nor can they deny the SKYROCKETING numbers of immigrants, or the fact that it increases dramtically every single year.
Don’t believe me, seriously. A healthy distrust of any source is a good thing. But please research everything I’ve said here for yourself, from multiple sources.
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:02 pmHey, Dems and Reps together, how about in percentages of population, did you take that into account?
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:16 pmAll the sudden, I have a desire to watch “Gangs of New York”.
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:26 pmComment by Dems&Reps2gether — August 23, 2006 @ 9:02 pm
This six years of Fox administration 4 million people abandoned their places (miserable, infrahuman conditions for human life) mostly Zacatecas, Oaxaca, Guerrero and Michoacán just to earn incomes so they didnt starve. I dont think the Nazis ever accomplished such an exodus. These poor people dont have a great plan of conquest. They want to feed their families and not be treated like dogs in Mexico or in the US, nobody likes that. The government is incapable of performing as a government: economic policies are dictated from the IMF (US toy) and big companies seeking the whole opening of Pemex (Mexican Oil company). Pemex, as any other public industry in the third world, has received full blows from within (the corrupted union and the government. The mexican IRS has bled Pemex since the 70s to have excuses to privatize it. You know, the old story about public companies corruption and all the goodness that private companies can bring) and from the outside: Halliburton, Schlumberger, and the other oil companies that trade the mexican oil with few taxes if any. So, the destruction of the mexican middle class began at the top of the government: neoliberalism made in America. It is easy to blame poor people for jumping the fence, but it is harder to do a real research and know the causes and no the consequences, because you will find a recurrent name behind all the economic/politic mechanisms of Latinamerica: US.
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:47 pmComment by Juan C — August 23, 2006 @ 9:47 pmJuan, is the middle class in Mexico growing or shrinking? This is hard for me to figure out what is really going on in Mexico. My Wifes family is from Mexico.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:32 pmThis site is quickly becoming an embarrasment.
The post commits two logical fallacies: Appeal to Tradition and Appeal to Ignorance.
Just because yesterday’s immigration worked out OK despite warnings doesn’t mean that current warnings are wrong: the conditions have changed.
For instance, Buchanan has pointed out endlessly that 58% of Mexicans think the U.S. southwest rightfully belongs to them.
The Irish did not think they had a claim on U.S. territory.
Perhaps TP should consider discussing this matter in a more grown-up, logical fashion.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:41 pmComment by Joefriday — August 23, 2006 @ 10:32 pm
Shrinking at a scary rate.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:43 pm[…] Original post here! […]
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 pm#71 Really? I thought that appealing to tradition and ignorance was incredibly successful for Republican candidates. Damn, I must be mistaken.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:57 pm#71 - what’s wrong PAP, afraid of a little Mexican ‘manifest destiny’?
August 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 pmJust because yesterday’s immigration worked out OK despite warnings doesn’t mean that current warnings are wrong: the conditions have changed.
Comment by PodestaAintProud
“Yesterday’s immigration” consisted of pasty, white rice cake folk. But “conditions have changed.” Scared of a little brown skin, PAP?; Scared of a little nice music; Learning a few words of something other than English; Scared your little world might get a little bigger?
Look in the mirror. You are a racist. That’s what they look like. You.
August 23rd, 2006 at 11:35 pmHi, Zoo. True says hi.
August 23rd, 2006 at 11:45 pmHi Juan. Say hi to true for me.
Why are you saying Hi to true for me?
August 23rd, 2006 at 11:53 pmWhy are you saying Hi to true for me?
Comment by Zooey — August 23, 2006 @ 11:53 pm
Well, she wrote me. Did you read about the Digg it! stuff? Is that intended for people like us, the hijackers?
August 24th, 2006 at 12:00 amI think so, Juan, but I’m too tired to try and figure it out tonight.
August 24th, 2006 at 12:16 amI think they’re trying to tell us to get lost. It’s not as if we always post silly stuff. :)
The federal government should build a wall around Pat Buchanan.
August 24th, 2006 at 10:00 am[…] The first argument is misleading, as Howling Latina earlier noted.   Crime has no race, creed or color.  Think Progress has one of the best posts that rebuts the Buchanan wing of the GOP on the subject of immigration: […]
August 24th, 2006 at 10:52 amMy relatives were immigrants but they came to this country LEGALLY and they came here to assimilate not to invade! They followed the law, learned the american language and were proud to be Americans.
August 24th, 2006 at 12:06 pmbut hey when you liberals lose the argument as you always do you can always “jesse jackson” your way out by playing the race card.
Perhaps TP should consider discussing this matter in a more grown-up, logical fashion.
Comment by PodestaAintProud
Ya right… I tried doing exactly that and they deleted my posts repeatedly.
Even though I have been posting on this site for a long time and mostly in support of TP … and now they delete every single post I have made on this subject even though I do not and did not support the racism aspect … only the logical numerical aspect of the problem… but still they deleted all my posts on all of the threads about this subject. There is a limit that you cross over to being a leftwing nut job just like rightwinger nut jobs…and TP is crossing that line from time to time.
August 24th, 2006 at 12:37 pmI even donated money… not anymore though… fool me once…
August 24th, 2006 at 12:38 pmGerald- Leave the TP donations to George Soros and Peter Lewis. Those two - they NEED - I doubt you’re in their league…..
August 24th, 2006 at 1:28 pmStop watching the 700 club and go eat some rice crispies. And pat robertson is an alien ok, have you seen the shape of his head?
August 24th, 2006 at 2:30 pmyou leftards are not going to be happy pushing your stupid diversity crap until the US is a brown third world socilialist country. it’s sad to see how liberals have turned white guilt into an industry. Why do you lefties hate the white race so much and want to see it’s demise? As a white person you should stand up for your race and heritage .
August 24th, 2006 at 7:08 pm…………………………………………………………………………………………Let me guess you belong to the world church of the creator, and probably the kkk as well. Congratulations you win racist of the month award. Here are your prizes.
August 24th, 2006 at 8:20 pmyou leftards are not going to be happy pushing your stupid diversity crap until the US is a brown third world socilialist country. it’s sad to see how liberals have turned white guilt into an industry. Why do you lefties hate the white race so much and want to see it’s demise? As a white person you should stand up for your race and heritage .
Comment by reddog rules — August 24, 2006 @ 7:08 pm
Sounds like someone has some low self-esteem issues. Why do you identify yourself so much by how much melanin is or isn’t in your skin? Why is this important? Does it matter that much? Do you feel that being white somehow makes you superior to other people? Is that what it is?
It’s not that we liberals hate the white race; it’s that we hate white supremacists, like you and Pat Buchanan. We don’t care what color skin people have, but you clearly do.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:18 amHow many times do we liberals get slammed as “unpatriotic” for opposing war in Iraq?
The right knows by now that it is a pointless, insane conflict, yet they hear “support-our-troops” and - urp! - they wheel into position. It’s pavlovian. They unholster the epithet “unpatriotic” like ray-gun and point at you - and at their own heads.
Over on the left, the “ray-gun” word that freezes all discussion is “racist”. The left can simply not think its way out of a box. All it has to hear is that cringe-inducing word - “racist” - and leftists simply freeze. Anyone who points the word at any open-minded, progressive individual - “Phasers on stun, gentlemen” - is rewarded with that good liberal’s total collapse on the spot!
Has anyone read the papers lately? Anyone watch decent, good-hearted Montenegrans, Slovakians, Catalonians, Scotsmen, all voting to secede from the mother country?! Did we not all watch the breakup of the USSR, Yugosalvia, Czechoslovakia, and now Iraq? Ethnic particularism is the order of the day. Pat Buchanan is right, s of Ellis-Island assimilationism are over. Think it can’t happen here? It is happening up north, in peaceful, neighborly Quebec.
We are creating a Quebec of our very own in the Southwest. Forget comparisons to the 19th century; 100 years ago, the immigrants came in equal numbers from countries an ocean away. Now they are coming overwhelmingly from one country just o
a border away from us,
in unprecedented numbers - and that country has a historic territorial grievance against us. And to those fellow Americans who say “let them have it back, then”, let me ask: which country’s laws,
customs and opportunities would you rather have grown up in? Or is that question “racist”?
Secession can take place witout a shot being fired. Give enough non-assimilating people the vote, and elected politicians, and they will do it peacefully.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:20 pmPat Buchanan speaks for me and many others of my fellow Americans who were born in this great country at that time during the 30s and 40s.
The Mexicans that I knew growing up did not speak Spanish they spoke English. They lived just like we did. They dressed like we did and played football and other sports, they went to war and served their country. Today, they do not speak English. I live in an area where the Mexicans are 75% and the large percentage do not speak English, nor do they want too. The men stand on the corner waiting to be picked up for work. Crime and gangs are everywhere with most of the crime done by Mexicans. They do not live like we do. Their hygiene is not like ours, their concept of space as to Americans is different, nor have they adapted. Most of the illigals are illiterate in our language and in theirs.
In addition, they are unskilled and they are poor drivers who run or go back to Mexico when they kill someone by driving or cause an accident.
Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Costa RIca, Panamanians, El Salvadorians and those of other Latin American countries such as Colombia are not like the Mexican’s. They have some manner of class, education or are able to assimilate. They are willing to wait their turn to come hear. Not the Mexican who enters our country like a coyote, planing to steal their way into our country.
Americans should listen to Pat Buchanan and consider themselves warned.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:43 pmPat Buchanan must be the most un-American man on the planet. Did he forget how he got here? Being the xenophobic that he is, Buchanan says that he is a patriot and a defender of traditional Anglo-American values. Well how might white of you, you should be earsed from the plaent along with all the people who acutlly belive that what you say is american and Godly. Can’t wait till you meet him and explain to him you idea that one human is better than the other. I suggest you dress light. You Ahole but push your ideas or religion on anyone this is American JACK and I can belive and do whatever I what as logs as it is with the law and MY moral belief. Go back to where ever your imegringt gandparents came from
Daughter of hispanic immigrants.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:20 pmFirst generation American
Lots of emotion here, and too few facts. One important opinion, though: There is a direct connection between population growth and immigration. The latter constitutes about 90 percent of this unsustainable growth. Why? Because key resources for industrial survival are rapidly disappearing, and with more and more people coming across deliberately porous borders, ecological degradation and increasing consumption threatens future life here. That makes priorities today much different than the priorities of the beginning of the last century. Most here apparently have difficulty understanding that.
September 7th, 2006 at 10:17 amToday, the Senate voted 94 to zip to build a 700 mile fence along the Mexican border. I guess Pat was just ahead of his time. . .
By the grandfather of two hispanic boys.
September 20th, 2006 at 1:03 pm[…] One of the hot topics in the recent US election was immigration. Pundits, like Lou Dobbs, are on a mission to “fix our broken borders” by cracking down on illegal immigration. They argue that immigrants are taking jobs from American citizens, refusing to assimilate, changing American cultural values, and engaging in criminal activities. As I listen to these arguments, I am always reminded of my class lecture on European American immigration patters. The rhetoric of contemporary nativist activists like Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan is nothing new. In fact, it follows almost exactly the same rhetoric of earlier anti-immigrant backlashes. While Latinos are the primary targets of contemporary nativists, in the early years it was the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Jews, and the Chinese, and the “problems” were the same. […]
November 11th, 2006 at 4:50 pm[…] One of the hot topics in the recent US election was immigration. Pundits, like Lou Dobbs, are on a mission to “fix our broken borders” by cracking down on illegal immigration. They argue that immigrants are taking jobs from American citizens, refusing to assimilate, changing American cultural values, and engaging in criminal activities. As I listen to these arguments, I am always reminded of my class lecture on European American immigration patters. The rhetoric of contemporary nativist activists like Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan is nothing new. In fact, it follows almost exactly the same rhetoric of earlier anti-immigrant backlashes. While Latinos are the primary targets of contemporary nativists, in the early years it was the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Jews, and the Chinese, and the “problems” were the same. […]
November 12th, 2006 at 2:18 am[…] One of the hot topics in the recent US election was immigration. Pundits, like Lou Dobbs, are on a mission to “fix our broken borders” by cracking down on illegal immigration. They argue that immigrants are taking jobs from American citizens, refusing to assimilate, changing American cultural values, and engaging in criminal activities. As I listen to these arguments, I am always reminded of my class lecture on European American immigration patters. The rhetoric of contemporary nativist activists like Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan is nothing new. In fact, it follows almost exactly the same rhetoric of http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 08/ 23/ buchanan-nativism/ ”>earlier anti-immigrant backlashes. While Latinos are the primary targets of contemporary nativists, in the early years it was the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Jews, and the Chinese, and the “problems” were the same. Before we can understand the significance of anti-immigration backlashes, it is also important to explore the variation waves of immigration and how they are shaped by policy and economic conditions. The earliest European immigrants were primarily English, and since the English became the dominant group, they were also able to set policies and social norms for other immigrants. ((Of course, I haven’t forgotten about the indigenous people of North America or the involuntary African immigrants, but the focus here will be on voluntary migrants.)) One of the primary social norms that British set was the norm of Anglo-conformity, which was proposed by Milton Gordon ((Gordon, Milton. 1964. Assimilation in American Life. New York: Oxford University Press.)) Under the system of Anglo-conformity immigrants were expected to model the English American customs and language to the point that they became indistinguishable. During the earliest years, the US had a fairly open immigration policy. European immigrants were welcomed and encouraged to come to the US, and there were few laws or policies that limited immigration. Most immigrants in the earliest years came from England, Germany, and Ireland> (along with a small contingent of Scandinavian immigrants). The German and Irish immigrants were very much vilified, as this quote from http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 05/ 07/ AR2006050700721.html”>a recent Washington Post article highlights: Still, European immigrants found plenty of backlash. Nativist sentiments ran strong, and white Protestant reformers championed English-language instruction and temperance, the latter reflecting the Establishment’s disdain for hard-drinking immigrants. The Germans set up 121 breweries in Brooklyn and Manhattan alone. […]
November 12th, 2006 at 12:38 pm