Today on MSNBC, retired General John Batiste — former commander of the First Infantry division in Iraq — said that it was “outrageous” Rumsfeld was still in charge of the Pentagon. Batiste added, “He served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces, and ever since then, our military and our country have been trying to turn this bowl into chicken salad.” Watch it:
Transcript:
Donald Rumsfeld is still at the helm of the Department of Defense, which is absolutely outrageous. He served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces, and ever since then, our military and our country have been trying to turn this bowl into chicken salad. And it’s not working.
Chicken feces... Isn't that Rummy's middle name?
August 25th, 2006 at 5:28 pmChicken Shit: That describes all the Neocon warmongers that have never served in the military.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:28 pmCan Dubya's incompetence get any worse? Fire Rumsfeld!
August 25th, 2006 at 5:30 pmHow much longer will it be before ACTIVE DUTY generals start publicly saying these things?
August 25th, 2006 at 5:33 pmRemember, folks, Rummy and the rest only look incompetent if you judge their actions against their stated goals. If you consider their actions in the light of their actual goals, they're right on track.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:34 pmgosh, general, don't hold back... tell us how you REALLY feel...!
And, yes, I DO take it personally
August 25th, 2006 at 5:36 pmWhy this certainly brings new meaning to getting your salad tossed, does it not? =]
August 25th, 2006 at 5:38 pmI wonder what the Las Vegas odds are that General Batiste will be smeared before Monday?
August 25th, 2006 at 5:40 pmHe deserves the Medal Of Freedom...Rumsfeld deserves prison (along with Bush, Cheney, Rove, et. al)
August 25th, 2006 at 5:44 pmMmmm. Chicken feces..
Anyone for seconds? (Iran)
August 25th, 2006 at 5:44 pmThe Three Stooges - Rummy - Bushy - Cheny Shoot in Face....you see, they need to stick together because their identity comes from each other. Split them up and it all falls down. They are just a scuzzy streeg gang that happens to run the United States of America
Bastards
August 25th, 2006 at 5:44 pmIt doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between chicken shit and chicken salad.
-Dnab Slieg J.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:45 pmhttp://www.unseatbush.com/images/3stooges_war.jpg
August 25th, 2006 at 5:49 pmsorry about the tiny image, try this one =]
more and more, the public will ask for accountability
August 25th, 2006 at 5:49 pmcodependent criminals is what they are
August 25th, 2006 at 5:50 pmAnyone for seconds? (Iran)
Comment by WORFEUS — August 25, 2006 @ 5:44 pm
I scared the chicken feces out of my third period class today. They are all boys, who were grumbling about their required Government class run by a very unpopular teacher. I told them that the reason they should care about government is because the Marines just had to call up their reserves because not enough people were signing up to fight in Iraq, and now that Bush was talking about attacking Iran, who did they think would be getting drafted into that war?
They all started saying that their mothers had already told them that they were moving to Canada if a draft were installed.
I then told them that if a Recruiter came into our room that they had my permission to leave the room and I would take the consequences for their actions. That it was their right to leave and I would defend it. Some told me they were already getting targetted in the parking lots at school and Movie theatres. 16 and 17 year old boys. It's appalling.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:50 pmThe U.S. flight from Iraq has been in progress for the last couple of months as the word
i"insurgency" covers for a U.S. defeat. . The departure will accelerate as you here more news of "success" in Iraq.
The U.S. exit from Iraq will make the U.S. departure ( and I am being generous here) from
South Vietnam look like a Boy Scout outing.
Then let's here the EMPLOYED military personnel comments, not just the retired ones.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:54 pmWell, it's a good metaphor. Maybe the folks in Nebraska will get it.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:54 pmMy goodness. Henny Penny. Gosh, that's untidy.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:55 pmWe need more Generals like him. He's an American hero.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:57 pmThey all started saying that their mothers had already told them that they were moving to Canada if a draft were installed.
Comment by unbelievable — August 25, 2006 @ 5:50 pm
Hey UnB. Thats pretty good.
Keep it up though and we're going to see you on TV.
The right takes a dim view on teachers who teach truth.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:58 pmWow, now sit back and watch the neocon spin machine go into hyperventilation mode. This should be fun. Time for a bowl of popcorn, let the show begin.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:58 pmcacagallina, breakfast of neoconvicts
August 25th, 2006 at 5:58 pmLast chopper out of Baghdad .. very soon !! Sooner than you think ..
August 25th, 2006 at 5:59 pmChickenhawks and chickenshit - a perfect summary of the Bushpig era.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:59 pmIt will be a very long time, if no forever.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:00 pmI seriously think we should all just shut up while we humor these bozos and allow them to think that they've still got our votes. Then on Election Day, EVERYBODY vote for the Democrats, in such numbers that they simply can't steal the elections again, not all over the country.
The alternative is too frightening. When they sense they're really losing power we can all expect another 9/11. They know that their necks are all on the line.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:00 pmSo Rumsfeld's going to be the sacrificial goat and Bush and Cheney are going to walk for their heinous crimes. I should have known as soon as Hillary and Loserman came out for Rummy's resignation without a word about his masters.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:00 pmWhen Cheney was looking at the INTEL before our occupation of Iraq he was keeping the chicken feces and throwing away the eggs.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:01 pmThis is what Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Emperor Bush have brought to Iraq.
[from: http://www.riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ ]
Residents of Baghdad are systematically being pushed out of the city. Some families are waking up to find a Klashnikov bullet and a letter in an envelope with the words “Leave your area or else.†The culprits behind these attacks and threats are Sadr’s followers- Mahdi Army. It’s general knowledge, although no one dares say it out loud. In the last month we’ve had two different families staying with us in our house, after having to leave their neighborhoods due to death threats and attacks. It’s not just Sunnis- it’s Shia, Arabs, Kurds- most of the middle-class areas are being targeted by militias.
Other areas are being overrun by armed Islamists. The Americans have absolutely no control in these areas....
During times like these I remember a speech Bush made in 2003: One of the big achievements he claimed was the return of jubilant ‘exiled’ Iraqis to their country after the fall of Saddam. I’d like to see some numbers about the Iraqis currently outside of the country you are occupying… Not to mention internally displaced Iraqis abandoning their homes and cities.
I sometimes wonder if we’ll ever know just how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis left the country this bleak summer. I wonder how many of them will actually return. Where will they go? What will they do with themselves? Is it time to follow? Is it time to wash our hands of the country and try to find a stable life somewhere else?
Anyone who things Iraqi's are better off than they were under Saddam is woefully ignorant.
Everyone in the Bush Cabal must be arrested, put on trial, and exiled for what they did to Iraq.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:04 pmSome told me they were already getting targetted in the parking lots at school
I don't know how they did it, but the high school my daughter goes to, has it so that recruiters may come on campus - but they may not approach ANY of the kids. The kid has to go to them. There is also the OPT OUT form - that takes your kids OFF of the recruiters lists.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:06 pm"I then told them that if a Recruiter came into our room that they had my permission to leave the room and I would take the consequences for their actions. That it was their right to leave and I would defend it. " unbelievable
August 25th, 2006 at 6:08 pm******SUCH courage in the face of danger......
Meet your new Secretary of Defense, ROCKEY VACCARELLA
August 25th, 2006 at 6:09 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/25/jon-stewart-vs-rockey/#more-9815
Rummy is an over-the-hill, out-of-touch misguided, misinformed, delusional neocon who's time is up. Twice he's volunteered his resignation; twice Dumbo refused. I love the way they continually boast about how they listen to the commanders on the ground...er....um....um....um...Batiste is not the first one to call them incompetents.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:10 pmWe The People of the formerly free from warrantless wiretaps USA get to fund a $3BILLION PER WEEK war that these fools foisted upon us.
I can't see how NeoCons could possibly believe they're getting their monies worth.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:10 pmDo you believe this ???"distinguished service award"
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will speak Aug. 28 in Reno at the Veterans of Foreign Wars Convention.
Rumsfeld is receiving the VFW's distinguished service award during a banquet at the Grand Sierra Resort and Casino, formerly the Reno Hilton, headquarters for the organization's 107th convention.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:13 pmThe right takes a dim view on teachers who teach truth.
Comment by WORFEUS — August 25, 2006 @ 5:58 pm
Fortunately, even the conservatives here are starting to turn their backs on Bush. And one of the students started talking about how he liked to read Bushisms because they are so funny... And he really lives out in the sticks.
If the truth lands me in the gulag, I will still sleep better at night on the dirt floor than Bush ever will in his silk sheets...
August 25th, 2006 at 6:20 pm#4
If the Active Duty Generals said their true mind they wouldn't be Active Duty nor Generals.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:21 pmCanada better start building a wall to keep out the chicksh!t neo-cons and their chickensh!t little troll, a$$wipe kids that will infiltrate their country when things go bad…
Comment by dixie blood — August 25, 2006 @ 6:03 pm
Hilarious!
Yes, most of these kids' parents probably voted for Junior in both 2000 and 2004... But they are good kids and also don't deserve to die in an unjust war by circumstances of birth either...
August 25th, 2006 at 6:24 pmSUCH courage in the face of danger……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 25, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
How would you know? You're as yellow as they come.
I keep telling you that you can't ignore me. Just accept that you're weak and too emotional to keep your word.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:25 pmMighty A: "SUCH courage in the face of danger"
It takes absolutely no courage to speak for power. That's what Mighty A and the rest of the Bush cultists do -- speak for power. The General didn't have the right to speak to power when he was on active duty. Now, he's retired and he can speak to power. That takes courage. Again, speaking for power is not something which even requires courage. And, the people who habitually speak for power are often cowards.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:26 pmI wonder what the Las Vegas odds are that General Batiste will be smeared before Monday?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — August 25, 2006 @ 5:40 pm
Monday??? How about tonight on O'Reilly or H&C?
August 25th, 2006 at 6:28 pm******SUCH courage in the face of danger……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 25, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
This time I felt pity for you. Its not even funny anymore. Poor soul.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:28 pmThere is also the OPT OUT form - that takes your kids OFF of the recruiters lists.
Comment by madashell — August 25, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
Thanks, I'll mention that to them on Monday. Until the Bush twins sign up, no one else should either.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:29 pmThird time's the charm
http://www.sirnosir.com/
Watch the flash on the right side of the page.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:34 pm******SUCH courage in the face of danger……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 25, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
You know it. Teachers today all across the country are risking everything to speak up and speak out. They risk their jobs, livlihoods, and even their freedom.
I realize you don't understand the fear of speaking out against an omnipresent federal government, because you're too busy sucking their butts but one day, maybe even you will understand what it means to say something that you know your government doesn't want you to say.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:35 pmAnyone notice how Rummy's recent press conferences are largely comprised of him answering his own questions? On someone half his age, it might be considered to be dicactic; on this old coot, it's clearly schizophrenic.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:36 pmRonin,
Now that might get me in trouble... I have to walk the line between being truthful about protecting their constitutional rights and being blatantly subversive. I try to make my subversion sugar-coated so it's not easy to point out. Like how I'm teaching them to question what they think they know - but in the name of impressing an awareness of the structural integrity of their buildings. I'm really teaching them to question it all... because if they do - reality has a liberal bias that is hard to miss :)
August 25th, 2006 at 6:39 pmmaybe even you will understand what it means to say something that you know your government doesn’t want you to say.
Comment by WORFEUS — August 25, 2006 @ 6:35 pm
I suppose we can only dream... :)
You know, it feels a bit like criticizing your boss and hoping you survive... :).
August 25th, 2006 at 6:42 pmSUCH courage in the face of danger……
Comment by mighty aphrodite
I see Randy's wife, the sockpuppet one, is still running amok.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:44 pmPoor frigid overweight thing.
Sorry, unbelievable, that MAY be a bit over the top for a classroom setting. Just realized it.
And hats off to you for risking literally everything to educate the people that MATTER, the children! Just let these con jawjackers roll right off you, buddy. You're good people.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:47 pmHere is an interesting story:
MSNBC
Iraqis loot base after British troops leave
August 25, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14517674/
Then buried in the story (damn liberal media) we see this:
And still the republicans don't understand where terrorists come from.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:49 pmWow. Rummy's toast. This guy wouldn't be coming clean unless it's already a done deal. Let's hope some active "generals & majors" will take the cue.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:52 pmthe first neocon who tries to smear this general should get at least one of his stars rectally implanted.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:52 pmThis guy wouldn’t be coming clean unless it’s already a done deal.
Comment by Godfry Daniel — August 25, 2006 @ 6:52 pm
I hope you're right Godfrey, but keep in mind Batiste has been speaking out for some time now.
Hes said the same things openly on talk shows including Hardball for the last year or so.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:00 pmRet. General hits three network morning shows calling for Rumsfeld's ouster
RAW STORY
Published: Friday April 14, 2006
Retired Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who led the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq, appeared on the morning talk shows of all three major networks on Friday calling for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's resignation.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:04 pmIts going to be hard to smear Batiste though.
His men love him, he led the 1st infantry division and fought the republican guard as they went into Bagdad, and he tried to convince rumsfeld to let him stay and kill the enemy as they went into Bagdad.
Orders from Bush and Rummy however were to "keep pressing ahead". So he said they'd hit and run, and we'd keep moving forward, and we knew we were going to have to fight them again.
Batiste just wanted to win. Hes not on our side necessarily. He was for the war originally I think, although he is quiet about his position on that because he feels its not important what he thought about that. But he thinks it IS important how to fight the war, and he says Bush and Rummy did NOT listen to him, and he has called openly for some time now for Rummys resignation.
So smearing him will take some doing, although I'm sure they'll try.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:11 pmMaj. Gen. John Batiste
August 25th, 2006 at 7:14 pmApril 14, 2006
I've heard Batiste is going to join Wesley Clark on the "former Generals who HATE WAR" ticket. After Batiste is awarded the Smedley Butler Medal of Doveness they may be able to carapult to the top of the ticket.... They may be onto something..
August 25th, 2006 at 7:15 pmFrom The Today Show with Katie "Navy Seals are Cool" Couric.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
#65 That wasn't worth the energy I had to expend to move my eyes side to side while reading that drivel.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:21 pmWhat the hell difference does it make if Rummy stays or leaves? Does anyone seriously believe that Bush would appoint a more enlightened Secretary of Defense? I suspect they're going to see what happens in November and if Lieberman loses the Senate race, he could be Rummy's replacement. BF difference!
August 25th, 2006 at 7:23 pmI really don't believe MA is a lawyer - but does have ONE attribute - sheer ARROGANCE.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:23 pmAnd hats off to you for risking literally everything to educate the people that MATTER, the children! Just let these con jawjackers roll right off you, buddy. You’re good people.
Comment by Ronin Tetsuro — August 25, 2006 @ 6:47 pm
Thanks Ronin, I only do what I believe is right. And sending children into war simply cannot be tolerated.
I am fortunate to have a female and a black principal. They both are pretty liberal and support us 110%. I can't ask for better than that, you know?
August 25th, 2006 at 7:26 pmColin Powell's dreamy thoughts...."Dang, I wish I had Batiste's ballz."
August 25th, 2006 at 7:28 pmI’ve heard Batiste is going to join Wesley Clark on the “former Generals who HATE WAR†ticket. After Batiste is awarded the Smedley Butler Medal of Doveness they may be able to carapult to the top of the ticket…. They may be onto something..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 25, 2006 @ 7:15 pm
Wow. I thought even MA was above that.
Guess not.
So now we have a spoiled little security mom sitting safely at home on her bony right wing ass, calling the man who led the Big Red One in combat, a coward.
I'd love to see her say that to his troops.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:29 pmMighty Chicken Feces... How apropos!
August 25th, 2006 at 7:31 pmFrom The Today Show with Katie “Navy Seals are Cool†Couric. - - I believe the newly crowned Anchor Astray's quote was, "Navy Seals rock!!"
August 25th, 2006 at 7:31 pmLets see what the President architect of the war thought of Maj General John Batiste.
Paul Wolfowitz
August 25th, 2006 at 7:32 pmWurzburg, Germany
January 31, 2004.
Paul Wolfowitz
August 25th, 2006 at 7:37 pmWurzburg, Germany
January 31, 2004.
Ouch!
August 25th, 2006 at 7:38 pmGo on Mighty Ann Coulterite.
Call him a coward, call him a traitor.
He led the Big Red One in combat, helped fight the war you promote, but now, because he calls for more troops, hes a coward and a traitor according to you.
Well you know what Berlin Betty?
You're the coward.
And you're the traitor.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:41 pmOT - little by little....
EPA's Pesticide Streamlining Rejected
A judge says the Bush administration may not skip review of the chemicals' impact on endangered species.
Ruling that the Bush administration "plainly violated" the Endangered Species Act, a federal judge overturned a regulation Thursday that streamlined approval of pesticides by eliminating reviews by wildlife officials responsible for protecting rare animals and plants.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:44 pmcan someone please explain to me why the neoCONS are hell bent on destroying the planet and its inhabitants?
August 25th, 2006 at 7:46 pmmighty aphrodite - what a shitball - go away
August 25th, 2006 at 7:48 pmWhat's important to remember is that Rummy is as instrumental to this administration as Cheney is.
w did not choose Rummy. Cheney and Rummy chose w.
Remember the machinations between Rummy and Cheney in the Ford white house to send Bush Sr to the CIA to get them out of their hair? Rummy is as big a player as Cheney in all this
August 25th, 2006 at 7:52 pmWell that's nit picking isn't it?
August 25th, 2006 at 7:56 pm#65 - starting the smear already.....
August 25th, 2006 at 7:57 pmSorry to say, Rumsfeld gave America a bowl of chicken crap and we are all tying to keep from eating it. He's on the highway to hell.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:02 pmHas it occured to anyone that it really does not matter
August 25th, 2006 at 8:19 pmwhat we think? We are powerless to change what Bush and company want to do and will do. Our ability to write about it only calms people down but changes nothing.
The VFW better reconsider any awards for the cabal. This is one vet that will look upon this in a very negative way.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:21 pmAwards are not deserved for any in this administration.
Plain and simple!
Wrong once again. These generals are against the illegal Iraq occupation. They aren't against war. Just like Democrats aren't against fighting terror, they just think it should be done legally. You call yourself a lawyer and you don't know the difference between legal and illegal. That is why everybody here thinks you are a joke. A worthless twit.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:26 pm#83 Mad
I can't tell you why but I can show you evidence that you are right on. They just managed to reduce our solar system by some 13%. Their plan is to start on the outside and work in. But it won't work! Until they pluck that little sucker out of space, gring him up and fertilize the cacti in my back yard, Pluto will always be my favorite Planet. VIVA PLUTO! Down with the Neocons!
August 25th, 2006 at 8:28 pmHe may have served up the chicken feces, but the military certainly licked the bowl clean. Then they shat on anyone who may have argued that it was chicken feces. It's partly the senior brass' own fault (Tommy Franks and the like) for being stuck in 'eye-raq'.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:37 pmHonor and dignity were restored to the office of the president, right? Just like Bush promised?
Just checking.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:53 pm"Has it occured to anyone that it really does not matter
what we think? We are powerless to change what Bush and company want to do and will do. Our ability to write about it only calms people down but changes nothing."
Shall we storm the bastille?
August 25th, 2006 at 8:54 pmHas it occured to anyone that it really does not matter
what we think? We are powerless to change what Bush and company want to do and will do. Our ability to write about it only calms people down but changes nothing.
Comment by phil — August 25, 2006 @ 8:19 pm
I'm always up for a fresh re-frame on any given situation.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:56 pm#65 I’ve heard Batiste is going to join Wesley Clark on the “former Generals who HATE WAR†ticket. After Batiste is awarded the Smedley Butler Medal of Doveness they may be able to carapult to the top of the ticket…. They may be onto something..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 25, 2006 @ 7:15 pm
MA, how 'bout reading this , then post as fact-based a rebuttal to Gen. Butler's own words as he had the wisdom to offer even talkers like yourself. I'm not holding my breath for you. By the way, Marines like Buter, or Zinni, or my father, aren't overly dovish by nature. They're just unlike you in one important sense: they've put their lives in danger for the country in more ways than most service members, and I'm betting people like you, could ever imagine. That gives them something you look to be in desparate need of -- credibility.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:04 pmIt is ironic to hear her call a General "against war" Spudge.
Seems like kind of an oxymoron.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:04 pmDemocracy? WAKE UP AMERICA!
August 25th, 2006 at 9:04 pmPLUTOCRACY>DEMOCRACY=FRAUD
Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively. And if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past.-Richard M. Nixon.
Well, Mighty Moron, you will NEVER escape this pile of bs until you fess up. I do believe that you may have "graduated" from the acme correspondence law school. but One can see that you faked it and never got past the 3rd grade in real life.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:20 pmI am still in shock about where we started and where we are today. You know, its not just the situation in Iraq---look around: The social-economic divide is stronger than ever (middle class fading away faster than Bush's approval rating), healthcare (or more appropriately "Sick Care") simply sucks, the "foundation" jobs being exported, over 60% of people of retirement age cannot afford to retire, record home owners have so much debt they risk losing their homes...on and on. You can say what you want, but do you remember the time when we had one of the biggest budget surpluses in history (Clinton administration). This is going to get alot worse folks--you think you are safe because you are financially OK? This is something that will affect all of us for years to come. Turn off the brainwashing TV Media, get off the couch and get active--we are in a fight for our country--we need to take it back from the powerful and greedy corporations who are polluting the world and in the business of modern enslavement.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:22 pmI'll never be able to look at a bowl of chicken salad the same way again.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:29 pmIraq is a failed Bush policy and as November approaches, GOP candidates WILL be watching the polls that say most Americans do not approve of what's going on in Iraq. GOP candidates have a tough balancing act speaking out againstt he failed Iraq policy while groveling to Karl Rove for money. Basically an unprincipled lot they are.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:37 pmDoes anyone have an idea for a strategy to get out of Iraq?
August 25th, 2006 at 9:37 pmThat explains why this war keeps leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:39 pmDamn, I'm hungry now.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:45 pm#106 - yeah, Representative John Murtha has a plan on how to get out of Iraq.
I think that Cheney, Bush, and Haliburton and the Oil Companies should pay back the federal deficit. After all, they are responsible for this deficit. This is where Libertarians and I agree. After that, we part ways (which the exception of the invasion of Iraq).
August 25th, 2006 at 9:52 pmDoes anyone have an idea for a strategy to get out of Iraq?
Comment by combatvet — August 25, 2006 @ 9:37 pm
Sure.
They call it the Murtha plan (but in all fairness I posted this idea in TP long before Jack Murtha came out with it:).
The idea is so simple, I am sure many people have thought of it independently.
Redeploy the troops out of Iraq, to surrounding regions, like Bahrain and Kuwait. Have quick response strike teams (air assault and deploy troops by chopper) ready to go 24 by 7, to assist the Iraqi army and police with quelling an uprising, but for the most part, stay the hell away.
This will encourage UN peacekeepers to come in and assist at the Iraqi's request as well, and possibly bolster their police and military forces.
This will also permit the Iraqi people to govern themselves, and a funny thing happens when you let people govern themselves.
They figure shit out.
Also it allows them to come to grips with what it is THEY want, not us. If it turns out that it doesn't work, and they just keep fighting (which is why we should've stayed the hell out in the first place)and people keep dying, then we'll need to shift to plan B.
Plan B is also pretty simple.
Divide the nation up into seperate states, and have another sectarian division in the middle east like Israel and Palestine. UN and US peacekeepers will need to guard the borders until something can be worked out. Course Plan B is not optimal but then again thats why its plan B, not to mention another good reason for keeping the hell out of there in the first place.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:52 pm#101 Dr. Crowley
After reading my Comment #93 how could you dare to belittle my favorite Planet. Pluto is Pluto and Walt Disney was borderline is using the name. But you, Sir, want to say my Pluto is crazy is beyond the pale! I know you tried to hide the fact by spelling it differently but it didn't work.
Now, if your formula read Democracy
August 25th, 2006 at 9:55 pmRemember, the Iraqi army is larger than the current US occupying force.
And these people grew up in war, and shooting guns.
If they're not ready to defend themselves now it has NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING to do with their combat readiness.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that they ARE the insurgency.
August 25th, 2006 at 9:57 pmKarl Rove's nickname: Turd Blossom
August 25th, 2006 at 9:57 pmDonald Rumsfeld's new nickname: Chicken Feces
George W's nickname? I dunno. Coprolite-In-Chief? President Poo?
#106
Here is my strategy!
Troops! Attention! Right (as in correct) Face! To Home! March!
August 25th, 2006 at 9:58 pmDon't want to be an American Chickenshit.
-Donald "Rummy" Rumsfeld
August 25th, 2006 at 10:00 pmCount! Cadence, Count!
We have a leader who's name is Bush!
We don't care 'cause he's just a douche!
Sound Off!
August 25th, 2006 at 10:02 pmI don't know what we've been sold. The Republicans really aren't so bold.
Ann Coulter needs to be saved by Hannity.
The nation now knows that Bush is a calamity.
Sound off, one two!
-GSD
August 25th, 2006 at 10:04 pmQuote from comment #3: "Can Dubya’s incompetence get any worse? Fire Rumsfeld!"
Yes it sure CAN! If you think things are bad now just wait until bushy boy and his neocom idiots take on Iran!
August 25th, 2006 at 10:07 pmNote to parents of 18 year old's and older: Your kids will shortly become "cannon fodder" for the neocon's next adventure! Renewal of the draft can't be far away since bushy boy has already used up our military!
[...] Chicken sqaut, indeed. [...]
August 25th, 2006 at 10:10 pmOnr Two!
Sound Off!
Three, Four!
Bring it oin down!
One, Two, Three, Four!
One, Two!
Three, Four!
We got a boss who's name is Rummy!
We doin't care , he is just a dummy!
Chorus!
We got a boss whose name is Dick!
We don't care 'cause he's just a prick!
Chorus!
We got a boss who's name is Condo!
We don't care 'cause we use Bondo!
Chorus!
We got a boss who's name is TurdBlossom!
Hell with it, we quit!
That's all folks!
August 25th, 2006 at 10:12 pm# 106 The right strategy:
August 25th, 2006 at 10:12 pmUS gets the hell out of Iraq. Stop sucking Iraq´s oil. Drill the same amount of oil in US territory to compensate Iraq for all the illegal extraction. US pays for all the damages to Iraq infrastructure and industriy. For every dead iraqi civilian, US mourns as if they were american soldiers. US digs a hole and spends a hundred years not polluting, not invading, not supporting terrorists, not dumping, not asking III world countries to engage free-market, and not spreading democracy anymore. Hows that? Tough? Well...from this side of the world is called justice.
Karl Rove’s nickname: Turd Blossom
Donald Rumsfeld’s new nickname: Chicken Feces
George W’s nickname? I dunno. Coprolite-In-Chief? President Poo?
Read today on Huffinton that he is a bed wetter. So his name is president Pee Pee. Let's all send him Pee Pee Teepee's at Christmas to help with his bed wetting problems. They are for babies, but I read that his pecker is wee wee so this little hats should fit.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:13 pmI was referring to frat boy in comment 126.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:14 pmDamn GSD,
You out marched me!
Good job, Sir!
Don't call me Sir, my parents were married.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:16 pm#125
How do you know it is Third grade Level? Yo Momma told me you flunked Potty Training and coulkdn't get into preschool!
August 25th, 2006 at 10:19 pm#111
The end should read Democracy
August 25th, 2006 at 10:21 pm#135, #111, #101
To hell with it! I quit!
I apologize Doctor Crowley, you are right.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:26 pmCoffins is female. I posted the link to honor your request. You asked for a picture.
Are you still a bed wetter? Is that why you don't find my joke funny and feel a need to attack me?
If that's the case, then, I'll keep your problem a secret.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:28 pmGen. John Batiste (ret.) claims Rumsfeld served up our military "a huge bowl of chicken feces," the president likes to refer to Karl Rove as "turd blossom," and according to published reports this week, Mr. Bush is fond of flatulence in all forms. Forget Camus, W. can combine cornpone comedy and classical writing with, "John Paul Sartre is a Fartre."
August 25th, 2006 at 10:31 pm#136,
WTF yo talkin' 'bout, Boy. Yo Momma done told me you was the one that said: "Momma, just call me Pee Pee 'cause I'm all your'n."
August 25th, 2006 at 10:33 pmBadmoodman - see you get, "turd blossom", "chicken feces", "farting frat boy", and add to that "bed wetting frat boy". Children... all of them... and these are the people running our government.
Jesus was a Liberal, persecuted by Conservatives. Amen
August 25th, 2006 at 10:35 pmYou said it dixie blood!I served in the Navy while Skippy Peanut butter cowered in the White House when Iran held American citizens as hostages. If he had acted then, I think the middle east would be much different now. Anyway, young adults are cowards. Both my daughters volunteered for the Army National Guard. Neither have had to go to the middle east yet but they realize they might.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:37 pmalfterglow - I hope that your daughters don't return in coffins draped with flags. There's way too many of these coffins returning and Bush wants more troops in Iraq and he's staying the course... the course to hell.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:44 pmThe reality is Bush and his treasonous scumbag friends deserve a firing squad. This is biggest crime ever committed by the U.S. government on it's own people. Bigger than Vietnam, because the cost and consequences of this imperial war will dwarf that conflict.
Funny, I had an interesting thought. I think the 21st century will be about the rest of the world fighting to overthrow the post-WWII power structure (UN Security Council) of those nations really in charge (actually corperations are in charge, but every business needs political friends). It's already happening: Lebanon, Iraq, Venezuela, Brazil, Iran.........These people want freedom. True Freedom. Not American corporate bitch freedom.
So what is the symbol of this true freedom?
"Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than the Avtomat Kalishnakova Model of 1947 a.k.a more commonly known as the AK-47 or Kalishnakov. It's the world's most popular assualt rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9-pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesen't break, jam, or overheat. It will shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it.......and they do."
August 25th, 2006 at 10:45 pmCan we start throwing Iran-Contra criminals in jail now?
August 25th, 2006 at 10:49 pmI did, just beat him and he doesn’t know it yet.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags — August 25, 2006 @ 10:46 pm
I meant with a stick.
;)
August 25th, 2006 at 10:49 pmGen Batiste knows what he's up against, but it needs to be said. Good job General.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:50 pmI want to know what post #5 meant by:
>Remember, folks, Rummy and the rest only look incompetent if you judge their actions against their stated goals. If you consider their actions in the light of their actual goals, they’re right on track.
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Are Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield purposely trying to destroy our military strength? It sure seems like it by the way they treat soldiers with inadequate equipment, decreasing va benefits, multiple tours of duty, etc.
Are they trying to destroy our democracy? It certainly seems like it with their warrantless spying, steeling of elections, Patriot Act, etc.
Do they want us to go bankrupt and have countries like China and Dubai take over? It certainly seems like it when they continuously borrow billions and then waste billlions on no bid contracts and incompetent fraud and also want to trust foreigners to keep our ports/weapon manufacturing plants secure.
Do they want another 9/11? Sure seems like it by not securing the borders, ports, chemical plants, etc.
Do they want Americans to be destitute, by outsourcing good jobs, making health care unavailable for many and try to eliminate social security?
Look at katrina.....how could the administration not know what was happening for five days when the rest of the world knew right away? I just don't buy that Bush was unaware.
I have doubted all along that the Bush cabal is incompetent. I have long wondered what their true goals are? Do they honestly have Americans' interests at heart?
August 25th, 2006 at 10:56 pmOk, smoke a joint. I know they did that in Nam.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:57 pmLPAC - good work. Do you think these "pissed" off people will vote Democratic in November? Did you get any sense of how they were planning on voting?
Vote for a different direction - vote Democratic.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:59 pmNope. No arguement. You ARE an Asshole.
Comment by trueblue
No argument here.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:59 pmWhy, Juan,
August 25th, 2006 at 11:00 pmI'm blushing!!!
trueblue - recess was over so it was time to make peace and get back to work :) Thanks for the compliment.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:00 pmWhy, Juan,
I’m blushing!!!
Comment by trueblue
Geez...
August 25th, 2006 at 11:01 pmComment by Zoo Jr
Hi, baby.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:07 pmAnd Worfeus,
August 25th, 2006 at 11:07 pmYou are also a better person than I, because after a couple of times being referred to as"Worthless" instead of "Worfeus", I'd be thinking, "Asshole!"
Love to argue with you Audi, I'm just not sure you play nice.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:08 pmHi, mama.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:08 pmZooey,
August 25th, 2006 at 11:08 pmI'm going to cry.
That's so sweet.
Believe me I've been called worse.
:O
August 25th, 2006 at 11:08 pmIt's a sad state of affairs that these Generals need to wait until they retire to speak up. They serve many years, something like 30 years, so that they can qualify for their retirement pension. If they speak up against this war in Iraq while before their retirement, they risk losing everything. That's how the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove/Libby cabal operate. I've added Scooter's name because of his direct involvement with outing a CIA agent. That's treason.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:09 pmThat’s so sweet.
Comment by trueblue
My baby's been lurking, and has finally surfaced. :)
August 25th, 2006 at 11:10 pmSuddenly, it became alive this thread.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:10 pmJust like him to surface on a Chicken Shit thread...
August 25th, 2006 at 11:10 pmHi Juan!
Juan, meet my baby, Zoo Jr.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:11 pmZoo, Jr!
Hi!
Your mom is Awesome!
August 25th, 2006 at 11:11 pmHave a great time in college.
Never mind as an Army man its the first thing you'd think of.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:12 pmZooey and zooey Jr. Wow - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Welcome, young man. It can be rough going here at times. I'm sure Zooey has provided you with the proper tools to manage in life.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:13 pmHi, mama.
Comment by Zoo Jr — August 25, 2006 @ 11:08 pm
Ha! This is cool. :)
August 25th, 2006 at 11:13 pmThank you, trueblue. I guess it will be good.
My mom just left me.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:14 pmMy mom just left me.
Comment by Zoo Jr
Don't even think of pulling that crap, Jr.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:15 pmJuan, meet my baby, Zoo Jr.
Comment by Zooey — August 25, 2006 @ 11:11 pm
Hello, Zoo Jr. How are things there?
August 25th, 2006 at 11:16 pmZoo Jr - are you in college now?
Zooey - empty nest??? (:
August 25th, 2006 at 11:17 pm11F ?
Intelligence?
August 25th, 2006 at 11:18 pmThank You, Zooey!!
I couldn't respond!
I was thinking, "Ohhh..."
and
"Wait a minute. Emotional blackmail runs in this family!"
all at the same time!!!!!
He's good.
Apple and tree, indeed!
August 25th, 2006 at 11:18 pmZooey - empty nest??? (:
Comment by Coffins draped with flags
Yes, first time ever. It will take a little getting used to, I think.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:19 pmInfantry Ops?
August 25th, 2006 at 11:19 pmPeace - and goodnight... catch you all later.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:19 pmOk Major Dan.
That works for me.
I'll give you the "non-asshole" vote for now and just classify you as shell shocked.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:20 pmDon’t even think of pulling that crap, Jr.
Comment by Zooey — August 25, 2006 @ 11:15 pm
He! Exactly like my mom. :)
August 25th, 2006 at 11:20 pmBye. Thanks for being nice. Except for you, mama.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:21 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Worfeus,
He would have responded to your first request if he had actually been there.
That's one thing I've learned about military men.
He did have to look it up.
Forget him, is my two cents.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:21 pmThat Zoo Jr. is a spitfire, ain't he, Zooey?!!?
August 25th, 2006 at 11:22 pmGoodnight, baby.
Oh, that money I gave your before I left? It's counterfeit.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:22 pmExcept for you, mama.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Comment by Zoo Jr — August 25, 2006 @ 11:21 pm
haha! And that would be me talking to my mom. Incredible.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:23 pmThat Zoo Jr. is a spitfire, ain’t he, Zooey?!!?
Comment by trueblue
I think I may have had an effect on him...
August 25th, 2006 at 11:24 pmYou may be right my truthful friend, you may be right.
But perchance I disrespect a mans actual service to his country I must concede the benefit of the doubt for now. But I shall watch this one closley. I come from a military family. My father, brothers, gramps, uncles, everyone served. Everyone but me. So his taunts as to my non service are nothing to me, hes got nothing on the folks.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:24 pmhaha! And that would be me talking to my mom. Incredible.
Comment by Juan C
Just don't ever call me, mama, ok? Because I would have to come after you.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:25 pm11F is Infantry Operations And Intelligence Specialist.
If hes faking at least he knows his stuff. This is a valid Viet Nam era MOS.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:30 pmBecause I would have to come after you.
Comment by Zooey — August 25, 2006 @ 11:25 pm
I didnt see the :) So I guess that upset you.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:31 pmI was talking about me and my mom. Sorry if I offended you.
If hes faking at least he knows his stuff. This is a valid Viet Nam era MOS.
Comment by WORFEUS
Or he knows how to Google...
August 25th, 2006 at 11:32 pmHEY JUAN!!
:-)
August 25th, 2006 at 11:33 pmZooey you're a rock.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:33 pm:o
August 25th, 2006 at 11:34 pm:-)
Comment by Zooey — August 25, 2006 @ 11:33 pm
Got it. :)
August 25th, 2006 at 11:35 pmIm like a TV made of bulbs...slow. :)
Zooey you’re a rock.
Comment by WORFEUS
Look who's talking... :)
August 25th, 2006 at 11:35 pmIm like a TV made of bulbs…slow. :)
Comment by Juan C
But once you warm up -- Wow!
August 25th, 2006 at 11:38 pmWell said, Disposable Heroes.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:39 pmDisposable Heroes,
From my experience, I think you are spot on.
I know several people currently deployed.
The one who campaigned for the GOP (vigorously) is the only one NOT in Iraq at the moment.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:43 pmCoincidence?
I'd just like to mention that active duty officers cannot question orders or publicly speak out against them. That's just the military rules... from what I remember.
So if you're wondering why only Ret. military leaders are speaking up, that's why. I'm sure most believe this "war" is a mess. That's why it would help if Rummy was removed. Someone with some sense could take over. It couldn't get worse.
Pray for the troops... and pray that the NeoCons don't swiftboat anyone that speaks from their hearts.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:44 pmThats true Steve, however technically if a General truly believes his CIF is criminally negligent, hes supposed to resign.
Thats what Batiste did, and now they wanna criticize him for doing what he was supposed to do.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:46 pmI’d just like to mention that active duty officers cannot question orders or publicly speak out against them.
Comment by Steve-O — August 25, 2006 @ 11:44 pm
Ok. But what about Lt. Watada? The real problem is we think the forces as a sacres, untouchable, made by god, structure. And it is not. The forces are made of people and people can think.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:48 pmtrue,
You're probably right. Fortunately it's easy to ignore crackers.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:49 pmWorfeus, Steve,
What if they ALL resigned?
That would be a great statement.
I suppose I'm just wishing, though... but it would be great!
August 25th, 2006 at 11:51 pmFolks, go easy on him.
I think hes cracking up or something. Talking to himself and all.
Hey Lt Dan? Can we call someone for you?
How ya doin over there..?
August 25th, 2006 at 11:52 pmRacist? You just can't take the truth from a fine black woman like me.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:52 pmZooey? You're a black woman?
ooooh baby....
August 25th, 2006 at 11:53 pmBut you're welcome.
:P
August 25th, 2006 at 11:56 pmZooey? You’re a black woman?
ooooh baby….
Comment by WORFEUS
Hmmm, that got a nice reaction! Actually I'm a pasty white rice cake from Crackastan. That's how I know 'em when I see 'em.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:00 amWorfeus likes do women. Black women are nice. White women nice too. Asian ladies very nice too.
So are Poles, Czechs, Frauliens, Latin Ladies, and hold on, I'll think of some more.
Like I said earlier, I'm just in this to get the nuts out and someone capable of tying his shoes back at the helm. When thats done, its back to my den of debauchery and drunkeness, and maybe a little rock climbing in between.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:03 amWORFEUS,
Oh my. *fanning face*
I promise to spread the word...
August 26th, 2006 at 12:07 amGood Grief, get this guy a DIKSHUNAIRY!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:08 amSo, Zoo...you are black, but you hate to dance? Whats going on? :)
August 26th, 2006 at 12:08 amKarl Rove for new Sec of Defense!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:13 amWhat about Dr Strangelove?
Karl Rove for new Sec of Defense!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:13 amWhat about Dr Strangelove?
Anyway--inflation in Iraq is now 70%.Here's more:
August 26th, 2006 at 12:14 amhttp;//www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NYT_Spike_in_Iraq_inflation_turns_0825.html
Shoot.Here it is:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NYT_Spike_in_Iraq_inflation_turns_0825.html
August 26th, 2006 at 12:16 amSo, Zoo…you are black, but you hate to dance? Whats going on? :)
Comment by Juan C
That’s been bugging me, too, Zooey!!
Comment by trueblue
It was a joke!!
See #319
August 26th, 2006 at 12:16 amI have one (at least) one comment):" Anyone who thinks my cadence count came from a WWII movie has no knowledge of the military. I marched every (expletive deleted) step of that count in Uncle Sam's Army for one year, eleven monthe, and 29 days starting in June 1955. I received a letter that stated: "Greetings from the President of the United States. You have been selected by your Friends and Neighbors..." For 51 years I have had very few friends and no neighbors but I do have a Country. I would gladly go back if it meant that I could make a difference in defending OUR country from the likes of Bushco and the trolls.
Thanks to all of the friends I do have here. As Emeril would say, "You know who you are." I love you all.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:16 amThanks to all of the friends I do have here. As Emeril would say, “You know who you are.†I love you all.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Ah, Clyde, you're breaking my heart! We love you, too. I'd join up to fight BushCo, too. We'd make quite a pair...
August 26th, 2006 at 12:23 amThanks to all of the friends I do have here. As Emeril would say, “You know who you are.†I love you all.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper — August 26, 2006 @ 12:16 am
That was really touching.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:28 amVamanos, Mi Amigo!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:31 amCorrection: Todos Mi Amigos y Amigas! I think.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:33 amCorrection: Todos Mi Amigos y Amigas! I think.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:36 amComment by Clyde the Ripper — August 26, 2006 @ 12:33 am
You are correct, friend. :)
Im going too. Thanks for the laughs and the lessons. Zoo & True, see you later. :)
Ripper, Vaya con Dios!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:36 amY hasta la vista mañana!
I think finding out Clyde was drafted in the 50's might have had something to do with it too Zooey. :D
August 26th, 2006 at 12:37 amZooey - or should I call you "mamma?" You gonna come after me now? ;-)
August 26th, 2006 at 12:40 amI included everybody, Worfeus! Actually...yeah, I think it was Clyde. Applause for Clyde!
You're just disappointed I'm not a fine black woman...
August 26th, 2006 at 12:42 amYou gonna come after me now? ;-)
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
You bet...
August 26th, 2006 at 12:43 amHey, Guys,
It's a hell of a lot more fun after we trounce the trolls. I will admit that last little shit took some doing but ya-all got him good! The Diamondbacks and Dodgers are tied in the bottom of the ninth and the Old Bushmills is awaiting--congratulations or condolences never mind--the ice is crushed and here I come!
'Night All!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:46 amYou’re just disappointed I’m not a fine black woman…
Comment by Zooey — August 26, 2006 @ 12:42 am
Oh I'm just thankful that you're a woman.
:P
August 26th, 2006 at 12:49 amThat's so funny, Worfeus. I got the same reaction from James Risser. :D
August 26th, 2006 at 12:51 amJames Risser?
As in Pulitzer x 2 James Risser?
August 26th, 2006 at 12:52 amThe premise of this thread is that Rummy and W have made our military ineffective. Why has anyone let it turn into a food fight?
August 26th, 2006 at 12:53 amCause we have short attention spans?
Check out what I said about post 286 though. Did anyone else notice the blog went offline for a minute or two?
August 26th, 2006 at 12:55 am[...] October 21st will be the day we see Rumsfeld leave [...]
August 26th, 2006 at 12:56 amDid anyone else notice the blog went offline for a minute or two?
Comment by WORFEUS
Yes, I got WordPress Error for a few minutes. Do you think that cracker's trying to hack TP?
August 26th, 2006 at 12:59 amYes, I got WordPress Error for a few minutes. Do you think that cracker’s trying to hack TP?
Comment by Zooey — August 26, 2006 @ 12:59 am
In my experience, that happens every night around 12:20 or something.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:03 amIf I get Word Press messages, it is usually at night. I hadn't made the late night connection, because I'm not usually here this late. It's a little quiet around the house tonight...
August 26th, 2006 at 1:07 amYes, I got WordPress Error for a few minutes. Do you think that cracker’s trying to hack TP?
Comment by Zooey — August 26, 2006 @ 12:59 am
Well, I am just noting a coincidence.
And I'm also waiting for an explanation from him as to what those characters, which looked like commands and option switches to me, were doing in a post.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:10 amI thought he just slipped into his native Crackastani.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:12 amYou don’t know jack shit.
Comment by Zooey — August 26, 2006 @ 1:19 am
You are sweet, mamma. Ha!
August 26th, 2006 at 1:23 amIm really going. Please, do not engage with this a-hole. Take care. :)
Also the percent sign is used in several programming languages.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:25 amGoodnight, Juan. I will get you for that mama crack...you know that don't you? :)
August 26th, 2006 at 1:25 amAnyway I am sure theres a perfectly innocent explanation, I'm just not sure what it would be.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:26 amam going to spend the weekend with ken lay on his yacht and let him take me as if he were taking electricity from an old poor woman… all night long! take that sean, you meanie!
:(
ann
Comment by ann coulter — August 26, 2006 @ 1:28 am
LMAO.
I hear Rush Limpballs has some Viagra Annie.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:30 amAnn Coulter + Moldering Corpse Ken Lay = The Perfect Couple -- who can tell them apart?
Evening, james.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:31 amWORFEUS,
The % sign, when preceeded by "0" represents the collectice intelligence of the Bushco and the trivial trolls transgressing through this thread.
Give 'em hell!
August 26th, 2006 at 1:32 amMee thinks Mr Roboto is a "boto", churning out regurgitated right wing talking points.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:35 amHey people, you know who this assclown reminds me of?
He reminds me of the little suck up on The Office.
You know who I mean.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:42 amMr Scrotoboto,
Why are you still talking to us "traitors"?
If you turned us into the FBI then doesn't your talking to us constitute a crime, now that you know we're traitors and all?
August 26th, 2006 at 1:44 amIt actuallly doesn’t allow me here and you know that.
Comment by a bellycrawling worm — August 26, 2006 @ 1:47 am
So just reference copy the post dumbass.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:51 amI emailed your posts to the FBI.... what a peice of human trash you are.
Your family must have been a bunch of lowlife scum sucking vermin.
Either that or they diswoned your inbred pinheaded self.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:55 amNot only is your father also your uncle but your mothers also your aunt.
Now go chew on that for a while and when you're done with that go chew on a Claymore.
God what a pathetic worm. I usually don't look at people like this but man, you take the cake.
In all my life I have never heard such an unAmerican slimeball coward as the peice of crap you are.
Go suck your father, Bill Oreillys cock.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:58 amThe only thing you've ever served asshole is time and hamburgers.
I know a phoney punk when I hear one, and you are nothing but a snot nosed big mouthed peice of crap.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:04 amdont you americans get it the government in your country has its hea so far up the saudis asses they cant see reality.; think hard where do you think bin ladin is ? safe and sound in some saudis princes compound in saudi
August 26th, 2006 at 2:06 amI've said all I'm saying to you greasy little informant.
You are a traitor to America and you lie about us.
Pray we never meet.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:11 amYea Spudge. Scroll up and read how this little peice of crap claims hes copied our comments and sent them to the FBI calling us traitors.
Piece of crap.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:13 amWORFEUS,
I aim for the head!
Comment by Mr. Scroboto — August 26, 2006 @ 2:12 am
Is that with your hand or your mouth?
August 26th, 2006 at 2:13 amYea you little prick?
Don't see one in there signed by Worfeus.
And screw you too inbred dog.
When you two are through suckin each other off maybe you could get a room.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:25 amI was thinking the exact same thing Gregor.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:26 amI've been in here too long today. I'm responding to this peabrain and he clearly is just a little prick trying to push buttons. He claims he served in the military but I know the only thing hes ever likley to serve is hard time.
Its amazing to watch. First you clean the clocks of the usual suspects, like MA, and then out of the woodwork these little crackdwellers come crawling, making up all sorts of crap to take us off track.
And I guess it worked too. My bad.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:29 amI'm toast. Chow for now.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:30 amRemember, the guy who appoints Rumsfelds successor, is the same guy that refuses to fire him.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:34 amWorfeus,
I suspected as much from Red Wolf's timely joining the thread in defence of Roboto.
And you're right: We should know better by now. But it's soooo tempting, ain't it?
August 26th, 2006 at 2:36 amYour mother supports Jihadism.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:52 amAnd BTW, we're in Iraq cause Bush believes that God wants him there. Cause he found Jesus.
Jihad means "holy war".
Bushs war is by that definition a Jihad as well.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:53 amGregor Samsa if teheran was nuked would you cry ?
Comment by Mr. Ratbastard — August 26, 2006 @ 2:59 am
I wouldn't cry if you were nuked.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:00 amYea Genius?
Well in case you hadn't notice the motto of the most popular church in the right wing government has changed from "Feeding the Children" to "F@$king the Children" so I wouldn't talk.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:04 amWorfeus,
I saw that earlier and it did strike me as very odd. It looks like part of a unix command.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:05 amIt is very sad when someone has to post under several different names to make it look like many people out there share the same opinion.
Sadder still when that one person ends up believing it is true. His must be a very lonely life.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:27 amspeaking of chicken caca -- have you seen the U ASS of A's foreign policy lately.
caca.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:29 amIs
August 26th, 2006 at 3:51 amRobert Hunter says it all:
From day to day
Just letting it ride
You get so far away
From how it feels inside
You can't let go
Cause you're afraid to fall
But the day may come
When you can't feel at all
Comes a time when the blind man takes your hand
Says "don't you see?"
Please, get out of Iraq.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:04 amChickenhawks drop chicken feces.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:52 amits all about the profits made from manufactering of wepons- the profits are too big to ignore
August 26th, 2006 at 5:49 amit is not chicken shit that Rummy served the army, but duck shit. Remember, Donald is a duck!
August 26th, 2006 at 6:24 am#511 Food for thought
You started out strong but then you lost me with abstract incoherency. I find that avoiding the use of mind altering substances assists rather than hinders the function of the synapses; allowing nerve cells to communicate with one another through axons and dendrites, converting electrical impulses into chemical signals. Again, the effective function of this process greatly assists in the formation of coherent thought and complete sentences. Not to mention it helps lend validity to your cause.
August 26th, 2006 at 8:24 am#514 Food for Thought do you know me? Do i know you? How and on what do you base you “analysisâ€, some pentagon foia or what? You have no clue, just hate.Take it on Rummy not me.
Comment by The Boy with the rightfoot — August 26, 2006 @ 8:33 am
I would like to convey your message to "Rummy" but I'm getting lost in the translation.
August 26th, 2006 at 8:36 amThat's really good. Chicken feces. A great new name for the boondoggle that is Iraq. Now, will the right-wingers and the Bush administration trash this Gen. as a "nobody" or a deserter? Probably...
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The super bases don't square with the stated strategy. Lies lies lies.
August 26th, 2006 at 9:38 amMy $0.02
August 26th, 2006 at 9:39 amMr.Roboto=moonbat patrol=I hate Liberals=Red Wolf=Audie...etc.
Same posting format, same vial hatred, same style (homo bashing, liberal smearing, religion hating, military fantasizing, and overall just a total doofus)
I will call out this moron EVERY SINGLE TIME regarding his/her/it's wonderful (sarcasm) post on pistol whipping those of alternative lifestyles. Luckily for Mr.RoBUTTo, I was in bed early last night.
I enjoy civilized debate, but with this idiot, all gloves are off, and I am up for the challenge each and every time.
So, whomever you are, when you see my name (which I will not change) posted, please note I am waiting to pounce on your sorry ass!
What's happening to my most recent posts? They keep disappearing.
August 26th, 2006 at 9:46 amCoffins,
A lot of stuff dropped off this thread, not all of it trolls, but most of my stupid crap is still there. Go figure.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:06 amGood day Zooey - it has been awhile. I have been lurking but no time to post. School started last week and I am exhausted. I forgot that standing in heels for 5 hours a day can tire you out. I guess that is why we teachers get paid so much.
I am teaching one course for seniors who have very low level math skills. The teacher who taught it last year allowed a recruiter to speak to her class as she thought her students had few other options. I have a feeling this guy will be contacting me to speak to the class again. There is no way in hell I will allow that to happen. If these kids want to die for an unjust cause they can learn about it on their own time. I refuse to play a role in it. There are other options for them and that is what I am teaching them.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:12 amIt looks to be another round of trolls being banned, so they are deleting the trolls and the posts directed at them. Good riddance really.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:22 amYay Jules!
Good for you not letting the recruiter back in. I read a couple days ago that unbelievable feels the same way.
Heels? I didn't know you were into self abuse. Send a little love to the feets, Jules...
August 26th, 2006 at 10:22 amJules,
Comfort no longer means ugly shoes... It's grueling enough to stand all day! I agree with Zoo, be nice to your feets :)
Yeah, Zoo, I gave the boys permission to leave the room should a recruiter come into it. Told them I'd deal with the consequences. And not all of my students have excellent math skills either...
I refuse to help the tyrants in the White House send innocent children to their deaths of an illegal war. To me that would be the crime - letting those Recruiters in the room. Not all valid jobs require excellent math skills...
Okay, just checking, I'm putting together a lesson on how the Trade Towers fell for next week. I'm starting to teach them about basic statics (structural physics) by letting them build stuff that has to withstand reality (gravity, water, wind, weight and fire - yes, we'll be setting stuff on fire, nice thing about being at a charter school, they let me get away with anything I can validate :) I need to get back to it... and grade papers... Will check in again.
Have a nice Saturday!
August 26th, 2006 at 11:16 am[...] The language isn’t so much strong as it’s… graphic and extremely effective. In any case it’s remarkably satisfying to hear it said on television, and during a pivotal midterm election season. [...]
August 26th, 2006 at 11:25 am#115 Hmm, bedwetting, cruelty to animals...I wonder if he completes the psycopathy trilogy and likes to start fires (maybe bombing people counts).
August 26th, 2006 at 12:00 pm[...] Your own generals hate you Donald. How many more generals and soldiers have to come out and say what a mess it is for something to happen? Jesus. [...]
August 26th, 2006 at 12:03 pm[...] Gen. Batiste: Rumsfeld ‘Served Up Our Great Military A Huge Bowl of Chicken Feces’ [...]
August 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pm[...] Today on MSNBC, retired General John Batiste � former commander of the First Infantry division in Iraq � said Defense Secretary Rumsfeld “served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces, and ever since then, our military and our country have been trying to turn this bowl into chicken salad.” (Video)read more | digg story [...]
August 26th, 2006 at 12:30 pmCoffins draped with flags,
I too hope that none of my kids (3, my son is too young) ever have to go to Iraq, but if they have to they will. Someone has to defend our freedom. I admit, the Bush Bunch are hardly my idea of honest government, but terrorists are not going to go away any time soon. No one from the demecrap party has the balls to stand up to them.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:34 pmFYI, these generals cannot say anything while on active duty. While active duty military you can't criticize your superiors publicly. As a general he would only be forced to retire. As a lower ranking (junior) officer he would be court-martialed. It's against the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Active duty military people do not fall under civilian law unless the military agrees to turn them over to civilian authority or unless they are dismissed from the service by court-martial. Or if an officer (not an enlisted person) decides to resign her/his commission. The military has a separate set of federal laws for its own. Many people fail to grasp that. The most these people can do is keep quiet until retirement. Rummy threatened to send a group of retired generals and colonels that called for his resignation "back to Iraq". He claimed it was a joke. It wasn't. As officers all of them could of them could have been recalled. He'd rather see these critics dead than speaking against him. These generals know this.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:39 pmTAKE AWAY HIS RUBBER STAMP!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:42 pmOn the one hand, I am against a draft, being a 60's anti-war person. On the other hand, people should be out in the streets protesting by the millions...but they are not. A draft, or at least rumors of a draft, might scare the bejeebers out of enough people - almost-draft-age kids and their parents - to get some really outrage about Bush's war and Bush's administration voiced.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:42 pmCandymarl - thanks for the excellent explanation. What Colin Powell never got, and what so many others in the military haven't gotten, is that (UCMJ aside) their true and highest loyalty lies - and should lie - with the American people and the democratic ideals of this country. The idea that one should be blindly loyal to a Commander in Chief who is blatantly abusing his powers to go to war against a nation that was not an imminent threat, and a Secretary of Defense who has gotten NOTHING right in any part of his military planning, is ludicrous. I lost respect for Powell when he did not speak up to expose this administration. If you must, retire, and SPEAK UP. Thousands of people are dying and being horribly wounded, only to see the U.S. even more hated in the world today. (BTW, the terrorists hate us not for our freedoms, but for our foreign policy, in this case shoddily cooked up for us by the neocons).
August 26th, 2006 at 12:54 pmWhat you expect from a chicken shit Army man. If you enjoy your freedom, thank a Marine and stop whinning.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:54 pmafterglow
Actually the Democrats have actually been better on national defense. They have proposed policies which actually would make America safer (Such as inspecting cargo before it comes into port) have not let up on hunting down Osama (While Bush closed down the CIA unit dedicated to hunting Osama last year) and have not put forward things like putting the operation of US ports in the hands of the UAE, one of the few governments to recognise the Taliban.
The Democrats are not ideal, but by and large they have not been the unmitigated screw-up that Bush's Republicans have been. Remember, under Bush the worst terrorist attack in America's history took place. Under him the first Islamic terrorist attack against Britain took place. Under him America found itself embroiled in two major wars. Bush as a president, has not been good for America's national security.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:54 pmWhere are people who know and understand what's going on in America? Why aren't they in the streets protesting? Posting messages in the Internet helps to see what people think about the current situation but it will not stop this administration from drafting young kids to flight and die for the rich elite of America and the multinational corporations.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:02 pmhey #288? were you in the military? did you draw a paycheck? if you did, nobody owes you a damn thing.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:02 pmWOW… this thread was purged more than ann coulter\’s belly after a big meal!!!
about 200 posts *poof*…
morning, z!!!
Comment by where is my colon? — August 26, 2006 @ 11:25 am
Yes, last night we exposed this guy calling himself Audie, who then changed to Roboto and then Red Wolf. We PROVED he was the same guy, and also caught him posting Unix script commands into the blog, apparently attempting to hack it.
They deleted ALL of Audie posts, and I don't see an Roboto or Red Wolf, which is good because this liar was claiming to be a Vet, which he wasn't.
Anyway they also deleted some of my posts talking to him,but I wish they'd delete the rest of them. Makes me look like I'm talking to myself, lol.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:03 pmI too hope that none of my kids (3, my son is too young) ever have to go to Iraq, but if they have to they will. Someone has to defend our freedom.
Comment by afterglow — August 26, 2006 @ 12:34 pm
Question Mrs Afterglow?
Just exactly when, where and how did you conclude that the Iraqi people want to take your freedom?
August 26th, 2006 at 1:07 pmBruce got it all wrong. 8 years of Clintons set the stage for World Trade Center attack and the attack on England.
Was Ann Coulter's statement correct when she said, "Clinton changed world policy by ejaculating on a fat Jewish girl?"
Stop your whinning and thank a Marine.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:09 pmBruce, good answer but shes not talking about national "defense".
She thinks she is apparently.
But shes not.
Shes talking about national offense.
Last time I checked, the poor people of Iraq have no long range air force, no nukes whatsoever, no Navy whatsoever, and therefore absolutely NO WAY to "steal her freedom".
August 26th, 2006 at 1:10 pmStop your whinning and thank a Marine.
Comment by Marine — August 26, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
Well show us a Marine and we'll thank him, Audie.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmSomeone has to defend our freedom.
Comment by afterglow — August 26, 2006 @ 12:34 pm
Thats why we're here sister.
Defending your freedom from the people who want to take it away.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:14 pmMarine
I am a South African. I owe you marines, absolutely nothing, so don't expect me to thank you for anything.
Oh, and Clinton's eight years? Bush was in power at the time. Oh, sorry I forgot the Republican motto: "The buck stops, with the nearest Democrat."
August 26th, 2006 at 1:14 pmLiars deserve to be arrested and HANGED! Why do Americans tolerate liars and war profiteers as respected LEADERS? What's going on there? Are all you Yankees a bunch of spineless cowards who accept the authority of IDIOTS? Visit: http://www.loosechange.com for the facts about September 11, 2001.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:20 pmThe only thing Marine aboout this guy is his boat shoes.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:20 pmsorry, the link should be: http://www.seeloosechange.com
also check out : http://www.prisonplanet.com and click on the "9/11 Archives"
August 26th, 2006 at 1:21 pmProbably the real reason Rumsfeld is still there is no one wants the job. Rumsfeld and Bush need each other for two more years.
Whoever has Rummie's job has to "pretend all is fine so Dubya stays out of jail"? What kind of person would want that? That's how bad it is.
The only thing that will force the issue is a complete change of Congressional leadership.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pmQuite frankly, the foreign AND domestic policies of President George W. Bush have been a total disaster, and, I'm afraid that the consequences, which have already begun to crop up, will continue to crop up for many years to come. Things'll undoubtedly get worse before they get better, if they do get better.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:12 pmthere is only one fix to save america. & Americans can't do it. they'd have to get off their asses, march in the streets, & show these corporate crooks they won't take it. like the French did when they passed unfair employment laws. like the english did, when the govt tried to take their pensions. like the chinese did at Tiananmin square & lay buried there, in the tens of tousands for it. if americans won't do anything about it. then they deserve what they GET. so just pony up & stop bitch n about it. because if americans are gonna sit around. it's not Bush's fault. it could just as easily be a whole other group of crooks. that would snatch the american dream. the american people threw it out, without a fight, after all.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:15 pmP.S.S.S. Dear TampMON - - Equating the French ENTITLEMENT Riots to Tianemen Square is just a liiiiittttlllle bit of a stretch........(My favourite story from the "fighting Frogs" - French journalists expected a cessation in the spring riots as the whiny spawn went on holiday with their breeders.....too precious!)
August 26th, 2006 at 2:31 pmwhy is this guy just knocking Dumsfeld??? Its his moronic bosses Cheney and Pretender Dumbya that's the real problem
August 26th, 2006 at 2:34 pmMy Son is in the Army and thank God there are young men n women who join.They swear to defend our country from terrorists and all who threaten to harm our way of life. My Son bravely volunteered. Hes my 1st born. i cried and cry everyday that he is in baghdad.My pride and Love for him are overwhelming tho.He would have dissapointed in me if i suggested to him a move to canada. what kind of a teacher would promote not being a citizen and doing theit duty to a country that many have already died before us.Troops dont reguest to die or be sent to war zones.If no joined the military who would keep your sorry azzes safe.I dont agree with the war but at the same time what makes teachers like that send a message like that to our kids.it promotes the thought u dont have to do anything to be a US citizen no obligations no gratitude nothing.... y appreciate being a citizen y celebrate 4th of july???? whay have VETERANS day?? If more people got involved in everdaythings in life........ think how much you would appreciate peoplt,things, and events ....
August 26th, 2006 at 2:42 pmGOD BLESS OUR TROOPS I appreciate all they do and sacrifice.......
If Bush n his hoodlums didnt profit off this war.literally and i do mean profit. I think more people would understand that we are sending a message to terrorists that we wont stand by while they use ther cowardly tactics. The TROOPS we have LOST have not died in vane. We shoulda left a long time ago. I will never vote a republican in office again. Rumsfiel has to say what hes told because bush is his boss. hes a patsy and so will be the next one if hes a republican puppet.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:55 pmDouble Speak is an art.........
August 26th, 2006 at 2:56 pmDiane, I'm a Veteran and I think most people in the US appreciate the veterans that go terrible places to keep us safe. But Diane don't confuse appreciation and love for our troops with approval of our government's policies. GW is by definition a liar, a pompus ass, a deserter, and a war criminal. His actions and arrogance have gotten about 3000 US troops killed to set up a Sh'ia Muslim government in Iraq, endangered the rest of us in the US by angering Muslims who will now spend the rest of their lives trying to get revenge, killed 200,000 innocent men, women, and children in Iraq with "shock and awe", and wants to put your son into an illegal war in Iran. GW has done nothing to protect your son - no adequate body armor, no armored HumVees, no adequate food and water. So while we love and cherish the troops following orders and thinking those orders are protecting America and Americans, we can disagree with and put on trial for war crimes the ciminals that sent our boys there in the first place.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:58 pmDear Diane - Thank YOUR wonderful SON for me!!! You are a special mother who understands the peril of radical Islam. God BLESS and KEEP your son and family. We are a military family and understand your PRIDE and CONCERN.
Teachers who mistakenly demote the values of a wonderful country (note I did not say "perfect") are partially responsible for the cultural demise of large segments of our society. There was a time when teachers were respected members of the community (some still are today) but since the profession has been hijacked by socialists, atheists, secular humanism and labour unions, which promote mediocrity, our children have consistently fallen farther....and farther... behind.
Wish your brave, dear son "God Speed"!
August 26th, 2006 at 2:59 pmthank you so much !!!!!!! {mighty aphrodite}
August 26th, 2006 at 3:12 pmmighty aphrodite i agree with u. right on the mark God Bless your family!!!! bones i think my 2nd post displays my aafreement with you and God Bless You for serving our great country but ya cant forget the real threat we have facing us and thats the radical islamists TERRORISM
August 26th, 2006 at 3:20 pmDiane, I care about your son, and all who are in harms way. I also encourage you to read the many, many threads on this site, dating back the past 3 years. "Radical Islamic Terrorists" are the symptom of a greater problem, a problem that is not solved by attacking a sovereign country. In fighting "terrorists" we have become terrorists ourselves, Radical Christian Terrorists. Our own young men and women have been put in situations they never should have been, and have committed war crimes as a result.
If you read the various posts, you will find that most of the people "Mighty Aphrodite" derides do, in fact support the soldiers. Our criticism is against the civilian leadership of the military. Our sentiments are echoed by several Generals who, upon leaving the armed forces are finally able to speak out against the Bush Administration.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:33 pmDiane, do you know you are thanking mighty aphrodaite, a person who advocates killing innocent children, kiddnapping and torturing human beings, murder, racial profiling, denial of civil rights, and nuclear war? MA is an evil chameleon, she will say anything to suck you into her evil subhuman world and then stab you in the back. research her posts on this blog. She is an evil, murderous, racist bigot who supports GW and his abandonment of your son. Don't get sucked into her lies because she is the serpent in paradise, and as Eve was fooled, so you are being fooled.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:38 pmWhen will the military say: "enough is enough"? When will the troopsd in the field, in their compounds in iraq, refuse to go out on patrol because they have relized that theyr are nothing but cannon fodder for King George VII?
By the way- have you noticed that Bush is starting to use the "Royal" WE when he refers to himself?
August 26th, 2006 at 5:07 pmAlexy
Dear Diane - Thank you for your kind comments. You are intelligent enough to know that there is no negotiating with, or appeasement of, those fanatics who wish us ALL dead. TYhe enemy we engage today is the most insidious we have faced. The true shame is that we must engage an enemy who fights with seventh century barbarism in the 21st century. I believe the true shame is the inability or unwillingness of moderate "normal" Muslims in loudly condemning the murderers in their midst.
Unfortunate;y, some people here in the "please and appease" crowd wish to blame the victim of attack. That is like blaming a well-dressed man for being mugged, beaten and robbed. If he weren't wearing such nice clothes, maybe the ne'er do well thieves would not have preyed on him. My first alliegance is to my God, my family and my country. Some "one-world" socialists mistakenly view that as bigotry. I call it survival.
Again, if you are inclined and able, send your son our kindest thoughts and prayers. We will pray for "Diane's Son".
August 26th, 2006 at 5:21 pmOK, there's no question that at best Bush, et al. have been incompentent in thnking they could build a free and peaceful Iraq easily, without a civil war, without interference from Iran and Syria, and without enough troop strength to deal with it all. And there's no question they lied to the public about a link between Sadaam, WMD, Al Queda, and Sept. 11, b/c (once again at best) they knew otherwise the public would have supported an attempt to spread democracy by force in the middle east.
BUT...
Let's try to make this discussion positive. How can we defeat the Islamic fundamentalists who hate us and want to nuke us? What strategies and tactics should we start using TODAY?
August 26th, 2006 at 5:24 pm#315 - ".... are the symptom of a greater problem, a problem that is not solved by attacking a sovereign country. In fighting “terrorists†we have become terrorists ourselves, Radical Christian Terrorists. Our own young men and women have been put in situations they never should have been, and have committed war crimes as a result...." Comment by Braid Fair
******Dear Braid - Why SO vague - spell out the "PROBLEM". How completely DISGUSTING of you to sanctimoniously tell a mother of a soldier "we have become terrorists" and "committed war crimes as a result.". With your assumptive nature, your degree "with disctinction" must be a figment of an accelerated imagination. Shame on you! If you love your freedom - thank a soldier - lawyers didn't secure liberty for you.
August 26th, 2006 at 5:29 pmMight Asshat, I don't think diane wants a Satanic follower to pray for her son's soul. Perhaps you could pray for your own redemption to avoid your justly deserved time in hell.
August 26th, 2006 at 5:38 pmMighty Asshats God GW Chimpy has told her to go forth and spread the filth that leaks from his butt and she happily scoops it up and tries to feed it to tthe masses, when they reject her hand feed feces, she attacks them. Asshat you are the evil Bush ass worshipping demon that the fascists employ to betray the human race.
August 26th, 2006 at 5:43 pmBones - You poor dear....The little men in the white coats will be around to your ward to administer your meds.... Please be patient.....
August 26th, 2006 at 5:59 pmAsshat, you poor dear...you are subhuman filth and condone murder, torture, killing little innocent children, violation of all our civil rights, and are basically a subhuman piece of crap. Let's call you what you are, an apoligist for evil here on earth. And respectable human beings should shun you.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:06 pmbLIAR - My freedom was secured by the Declaration of Independence written by Classical Liberals (NOT post-modern neo-progs!). AFTER the fight, which ensured American independence, my Rights were secured by Constitutional ratification and amendment. BTW - "the FIGHT" was led by Classical Liberals - sadly, the post-modern libs confuse the concept.. Lawyers, journalists and others act in concert as custodians of civil, criminal, and administrative law. You have put the cart before the horse, as usual....
August 26th, 2006 at 6:14 pmMighty asshat ate the cart and the horse, then spewed her vomitous bile here evidently. Evil witch.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:16 pmDixie Anemia - Thank you for including my moniker on your "Troll Honour Roll". Have you noticed the "troll" list is longer than the regular progressives who post here and elsewhere?? Whatever would you do without US?? This place would be such a snooze....
Happy Weekend...
August 26th, 2006 at 6:18 pmMighty A:
The Problem, or at least a condensed version, feel free to Google: the United States supported many vicious dictators, including Saddam Hussein; Corporations exploiting third world country labor; the economic disparity between the haves and the have-nots.
War crimes, that we know about; the Haidatha rape/murder; Abu Gharib. Charges have been filed, adn in some cases there have been convictions. My point was, these kids should never have been put in that position in the first place. Their lives have been ruined because of Bush's war of aggression. And nearly 3000 US service men and women have died in a war fought on a pretext, a lie. "The facts were fixed around the policy" of going to war against Iraq.
In much of the world's eyes, the United States poses a greater terrorist threat than Al Qada. And, unlike Saddam Hussein, we do have weapons of mass destruction. We have already used cluster bombs and white phosphorous weapons in situations which injured countless civilians. And remember, Bush has refused to rule out using nuclear weapons against Iran!
To ask a soldier to die for a lie is doing our men and women who volunteered to protect this country a great disservice. They deserve better.
I do appreciate the men and women of the Armed Services. They do a job that would not have to be done, were mankind an enlightened species. But need I remind you, soldiers did not write the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Soldiers did not hand down the Supreme Court decisions which struck down various llaws as unconstitutionally infirnging on our freedoms and liberties. Both soldiers and lawyers have helped to secure the freedoms we in the United States enjoy.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:18 pmAsshat, without you the world would be 95% better. Less hate, less evil, less racism, less bigotry, less evil.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:21 pmOh and asshat I forgot, one less horsefaced GW prostitute.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:23 pmDear Braid Fair - We could give the radicalized Muslims every dime and resource we have and they would still hate our GUTS. This is NOT about money, or crop tops or badly acted movies. This is about the extremist "Allah Akbar" crowd versus "the infidels". Unfortunately - it's US against THEM. The sad part, in their effort to appear erudite and sapient, too many progs side with THEM.
Your discussion of war crimes reinforces MY point. Should soldiers be punished for rape and cold-blooded murder - you bet, I worked in the system of military justice for years and you would be proud to know how honour bound our military personnel are. But while you're noting the rotten apples, please note HOW many mullahs were calling for the prosecution of Zarqawi for his terrible "war crimes"?? HOW MANY? The United States is a wonderful place, not perfect, but I have found an abiding honour in the rules of engagement - which you may have noticed, my enemy does not engage.
Your repeating the talking-point "die for a lie" is pathetic. "lie - noun (pronunciation: lahy) - "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood." As usual, you omit one of the necessary elements - mens rea. (Look it up if the concept is foreign. Did you miss class the day they taught law at law school?)
As for whether the rest of the world loves or hates us - you are confusing me with someone who gives a $h*t what the rest of the world thinks.Much of the world lives in a socialist hammock that will burst from their collective weight. That is their choice -but I don't feel this great need to be LOVED by "the rest of the world". BTW, they only like us when we're pulling their bacon out of the fire, sending them money or caving into their demands. And the good folks who do like us, seem to want to gethere in record numbers. So what's wrong with their wonderful native countries??
As I noted, lawyers function to protect clients, whether in criminal cases or civil disagreements. Dred Scott and Plessy demonstrate a narrow and ignorant view. Those wonderful Republicans who fought for the Union Army and helped pass the 1964 Civil Rights Act are as constitutionally "sensitive" as any self-righteous prog - BTW - where was Al Gore, Sr on that issue?
In conclusion, your "support" of our troops IS NOT appreciated by many due to your level of equivocation. If you served the United States in the military - THANK YOU! If you were too busy....thanks for nothing.
August 26th, 2006 at 7:07 pm#336 - "AFTER the fight, which ensured American independence," mighty me being quoted by bLIAR
******I contradicted NOTHING. AFTER THE FIGHT....AFTER THE FIGHT...FYI: Soldiers - Fight.... Have you always been so stupid or do you work at it to throw the rest of us off?
August 26th, 2006 at 7:11 pmDixie- You give up?? Why??? You've never made a point - even one I disagree with...
August 26th, 2006 at 7:19 pmMighty Asshat lies about everything - her age, her occupation, the fact she's an obese male age 54 that lies in his mothers guest room and everything that comes out of her twisted evil brain. He's a know nothing piece of detritis, a parasite on the hard working people in the country, a leech is a good example. would you debate a leech, of course not, no real brain just like asshat.
August 26th, 2006 at 7:25 pmMens rea can be established through a showing of willful ignorance or a reckless disregard for the truth. I say, let's have the impeachment and trial. Bring out all the facts. Did Bush intentionally lie? Was he willfully ignorant? Did he have a reckless disregard for the truth? Or is he just plain stupid?
August 26th, 2006 at 7:31 pmHi all. This chicken shit thread has returned to its original size! Good job, TP commenters!
August 26th, 2006 at 7:46 pmThanks Dixie. It's nice to know $70k in tuition wasn't a total waste!
August 26th, 2006 at 7:46 pmIt’s nice to know $70k in tuition wasn’t a total waste!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Ouch! Damn...
August 26th, 2006 at 7:47 pm[off topic]
Hi Zooey, or should I say, mama?
;-)
I do know the empty nest feeling...it takes awhile. Meditating helps.
Peace and Blessings.
August 26th, 2006 at 7:51 pmSee how you are Briseadh na Faire?
First, I'm thinking, "Don't make me come over there," and then you say something so completely nice that I would feel bad smacking your head.
Thanks. I'll give it a try...
August 26th, 2006 at 7:54 pmGive what a try, smacking me upside the head?
That too, college boy.
Well, ok. But just this once. After that, can we kiss and make up?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Absolutely! I'll give you three hours to stop talking like that. :)
August 26th, 2006 at 8:32 pmMighty asshat isn't an attorney, you can tell from what it writes here - that wouldn't get anyone thru the Barney the Dinosaur Law School.
August 26th, 2006 at 8:57 pmRelying on the internationally accepted intelligence is not lying, and is not willfully negligent - hence, no INTENT to deceive. But I'll go along with an impeachment if you would include Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, etc. AND a criminal case and civil suit against Bill Clinton, Al Gore and former administration officals who spread the same "lie". Included in a criminal indictment should be Mr. Jimmeh, inept former President, for gutting our intelligence community and thereby directly contributing to the deaths of thousands of American at home and abroad.....
Come to think of it - I think international law will be right up your alley - your appeasement capabilities seem extraordinary
August 26th, 2006 at 9:25 pmIt is however an evil witch.
August 26th, 2006 at 9:38 pm[...] Think Progress » Gen. Batiste: Rumsfeld ‘Served Up Our Great Military A Huge Bowl of Chicken Feces’ (tags: News NWO Politics) [...]
August 26th, 2006 at 9:48 pmWow I guess i didnt gointo enough detail on where i stan. So here it is.First i hope John McCain is the next president. I support torture as a means of saving lives.... if your son or daughter was kidnapped by terrorists would you support torturing someone to get the information needed to save your parent, or child????? They dont torture for the hell of it. and tourturing isnt like in the days when the japs would popp a Soldiers knee cap out or removing body parts so lets not exadurate....... I support nuclear weapons used on counties say for an example iran n korea. They will use it on us u can be sure of that as soon as they can. theres so many people who dont advovacate joining the military.so to thoose people we must use them because there is only so much a military can do. Unless we impose drafting...... like i said i support nuclear weapon use by us. My son is an MP and is a gunner with his 3 man squad and he does have access to the water cooler vest that keeps him cooler but it goes like this there is only so much thAT fits in a humvee so ythat is always left behind. He has been hit and survived an ied. Hes seen his brothers (military) blown apart. Hes buried friends.Yes its time we get out of there but make no mistake my Son has never committed a war crime and yes hes killed and been shot at so many times u loose count.No Troop has comitted a crime by following orders Briseadh na Faire.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:23 pmal queda has been killing Americans for years and years.They need to be stopped.by doing nothing y should they stop. When we pull out they will have their civil war(going on now),They are radicals who kill each other more than our Troops.Thats the mentality they are born with.God does not appreciate the fact that more people have been killed in his name then all wars. To the guy who posted a lack of sensitivity towards "war crimes" INOCCENT until proven guilty. You may have been a fobbit (a Troop that has never left his camp) so your opinon doest count my. Son is a grunt and goes out on patrol and missions 6 days a week. Other than the rape.if it is true may the hang from a rope.But the others i can understand the horror it must be to watch people die,not know when u might be next, i understand and think they should be able to claim stress.because that is all it was if in fact they did that.Now before i get all the hateful posts i ask you this whats your solution and what do u do in life that helps America be a better place??? I volunteer at the VA hospital,red cross,at my kids school,and i go out of my way to make people smile.
When life hands you chicken feces - make chicken salad!
August 26th, 2006 at 10:42 pmCome on everybody, MA is soooo smart. Don't pick on her. Oh, wait, no, it is a moron.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:00 pmIncluded in a criminal indictment should be Mr. Jimmeh, inept former President, for gutting our intelligence community and thereby directly contributing to the deaths of thousands of American at home and abroad…..
Come to think of it - I think international law will be right up your alley - your appeasement capabilities seem extraordinary
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 26, 2006 @ 9:25 pm
August 26th, 2006 at 11:33 pmWe all know you are one sick fat bald sweaty perverted loser but, your hateted for President Carter is really strange. What did he do to you? Did he make you wear a sweater? Go to bible class? or, heaven forebid--turn your thermostat down. You know MA your as sick as a pearson can get--So you got $ucked over as you grew up and now you want to pay someone back. There is not one person here that has any respect for you. How the $uck do you live with yourself? No matter.
Come on everybody, MA is soooo smart. Don’t pick on her. Oh, wait, no, it is a moron.
Comment by JPark — August 26, 2006 @ 11:00 pm
No Jp, cut MA no slack--He is a nasty hate filled shell of a human. Hates himself so it posts here in hopes that it can strike back. MA tomorrow is Sunday, maybe you and (Ahem) mr. MA can pack a picnic lunch and spend the day at the beach. Better than that MA, maybe you can hook up with Lush teabag and head to the DR for some sporting life.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:43 pm#27 is right - when they feel they are losing control they will create another 911 type attack against america and blame it on al-queda or whoever. The fact is they are waging war against american for absolute control of our government and will stop at nothing. Building #7 is the absolute smoking gun - it was a controlled demolition and nothing or nobody can refute that truth.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:04 amSalute the General! Former commanding general of 'The Big Red One', MG John Batiste, demonstrates the best with regard to the 1st Infantry Division's motto: "No Mission Too Difficult! No Sacrifice Too Great! DUTY FIRST!" Kick Butt, General...there's many more of us BRO veterans that support you.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:20 amI have to admit Sgt Rock, I was surprised to hear the right wingers in here slandar this guy. MA called him a coward, and I was thinking, gee, this guy is not just a Maj General, but the commander of the BIG RED ONE, and I have a feeling not just any General gets to command one of the most famous and daring units in the Army?
Seems like you could be the incarnatation of Audie Murphy, Dick Winters and crapping US flags and if you disagree with the President, then POOF!
You're a coward.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:55 amBuilding #7 is the absolute smoking gun - it was a controlled demolition and nothing or nobody can refute that truth.
Comment by parkker — August 27, 2006 @ 12:04 am
Well don't stop there parkker. I'd like to hear more about this.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:16 amWorfeus, I am not sure but I think he was straightforward about saluting the general.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:35 amWorfeus, I am not sure but I think he was straightforward about saluting the general.
Comment by JPark — August 27, 2006 @ 1:35 am
Who?
I wasn't talking "about" Sgt Rock. I was talking to him. Is that what you meant?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:25 am[...] He is the federal government, he has been the government for six years and Victor thinks his message isn’t getting out because of the media. Bush’s problem is that the media points a camera and microphone at him and the public has watched. Finally it is sinking in, sans pundits and talking heads lets give the public credit for seeing and listening to the man himself and figuring out that something isn’t quite right. If Victor thinks the failure is not of substance, but of style that’s Bush’s fault through and through. Diabolical? Depends on how you define diabolical, if the president and his minions deceive and lie, the consequences of which land us in a quagmire in Iraq and get 2500 Americans and 60,000 Iraqis killed then yes he is diabolical and those that don’t think so need to find a moral compass. Victor is doing his part to spread the great conservative doublethink when he refers to the Left. I proudly stand on the left, its where the center used to be before people like Victor moved so far right they think the Bill of Rights is a luxury that we can no longer afford, Vic must think that retired General John Batiste is Castro’s cousin, Donald Rumsfeld is still at the helm of the Department of Defense, which is absolutely outrageous. He served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces, and ever since then, our military and our country have been trying to turn this bowl into chicken salad. And it’s not working. [...]
August 27th, 2006 at 3:03 amWill President Bush EVER accept Rumsfeld's resignation? EVER?
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August 27th, 2006 at 4:11 amThe last 5.58 have spoken for themselves. The Bush administration is a disaster. It's not just Iraq! It's Katrina, prescription drugs for seniors, the federal deficit (by the way the Chinese own us), gasoline prices (with oil companies making record profits). God help us if Georgie ever does sink his inept claws into social security. And the loyal republican congress allows it to go on. It's brutally clear what's going on and at the expense of the American working class.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:28 amDiane, Posts 367 and 368 speak with entirely different voices, yet were written only 7 minutes apart. If you did write post 368, you have revealed a Rule of Engagement which puts your son's life in danger. You have told those who would target American soldiers that they get a free first shot. Please becareful about what you post on a public board.
If we as a species are ever going to solve our conflicts, we must give up hate. This is the message of Christ. It is the same message of Buddah, who preceeded Christ by some 400 years. I find it sad that so many who claim to be Christians still hold onto hate.
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The President used a vote authorizing military force against those responsible for the attacks on 9/11 as a blank authorization to attack any country he chooses. It is a bit of a stretch to say "liverals voted for the war as well" based on this. Liberals in Congress have voted to authorize military expenditures. Were their votes supporting the war, or the troops? The answer could be spun either way.
As far as the "high and might road." I walk the path of a Shaman. A Shaman is a healer. It is not an easy path, as those who speak out against hate and violence are villified by those who still cling to hatred and fear as tactics by which they control the masses.
I encourage you to break free of hate, for it is written, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..."
Peace and Blessings.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:58 amBigger military = more people protecting my freedoms right? So having a state that is basically run by a military dictatorship should be absolutely free by Aphro-hairdo's standards. Yeah soldiers on street corners, that spells FREEDOM for you and me.
/sarcasm
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August 27th, 2006 at 10:38 amwas that the most intellagent statement u are cappable of??????
Diane,
(1) GW Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld lied about the terrorists/ threat in Iraq,
(2) so these liars sent your kid to Iraq,
(3) These liars didn't send enough troops, armor, food, etc,
(4) and US kids are dying daily.
Why do you tow George Bush's party line. There are few terrorists, they had nothing to do with Iraq, and GW is going to get your son killed to set up an Islamic republic in Iraq. Didn't you read the article this thread is based on? General Batiste says the Bush Administration id giving the military chicken shit. Stop your confused I hate Bush but I'll spout every one of his talking points presentation. Why would you parrot what the guy who is going to get your son killed thinks, smarten up.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:47 amYeah it's suspicious that MA and Diane pop up and compliment each other. Also the tone of "Diane" is too strained, like someone trying to post and dumb it down (which for MA would be difficult). Either way it points out how the republicans ignore facts like the title of the frickin article and the opinion of Batiste to obfuscate with unrelated side issues.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:14 amBones I think you have me all wrong .... i am for my Son and whats best for him what makes u think i dont agree with most of what u r saying it was a bunch of lies that led us to iraq why we r still there is becAUSE BUSH FEELS LIKE IF HE LEAVES AND THEN THEY HAVE A CIVal war it will make him look bad.I do agree that terrorism should be stopped do i think it ever will no but at least they know we wont tolerate it.That was done in the 1st 90 days...... we cant leave till bushs and channeys pockets spill with oil and blood money.And yes i thinkmy Son should do what he has to as long as he comes home alive.Its my prayer for him and all the Troops!!!! Do u think i want him in iraq?? or any of them hell no its a waste of Troops lives. no matter what we do they will have a civil war its their country and that what will have to b done just like our civil war.They dont want us there we didnt have anyone interfering in our civil war so why dont we leave is beyond me i didnt make the rules i just want my Son home.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:19 amlol Briseadh na Faire u are no shaman i know what a shawman does i am Indian.You think your a judge.u should be understanding of a mommas opinion of what her son does and how she wants him safe rules of engament are something everyone knows and they use our passiveness against us ...... give people more credit be a true shaman with wisdom kidness and love 4 all not thoose u deem deserve it.I dont recall u ever saying i hope your son makes it back or i will pray for him just what is it a shawman from your nation do and believe in.Whats in your medicine bag I ask????? LOL so have i been judged to be MA and not really a worried momma with an opinion
August 27th, 2006 at 11:30 amlol o my now im a republican well go figure im a republican and MA now kewl let me assure u i am democrat and would have loved to seen dean howard at the wheel i am a teamster.Union all the way but go head and say what u want to ..... For those of you who don't like me and have nothing but negative things to say about me. I want to"THANKYOU" for letting me live in your mind "RENT FREE"
August 27th, 2006 at 11:35 amWell then Diane you will have no problem calling the "war in Iraq" illegal and join us in pushing for the impeachment of President Bush, because it's the only way you kiddo is coming home.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:36 amDiane,
What if your son doesn't come alive? What then?
August 27th, 2006 at 11:38 amI don't think Diane is M.A..
August 27th, 2006 at 11:49 amIn # 394 Diane say's "we can't leave till Bush's and Cheney's pockets spill with oil and blood money.".
I can't envision M.A. ever saying that.
You're right, Bingo. Mighty Teabagger likes to get "credit" for its holier-than-thou spew.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:59 amOff to the hippiefest today. Waaaaaaay coooooool. Wavy Gravy, Melanie, Canned Heat, Country Joe(sans the Fish), Rare Earth. Groovy. Peace.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:11 pmHave fun, Uncle Ho!
August 27th, 2006 at 12:16 pmUncle Ho clearly does not live in a red state...
August 27th, 2006 at 12:21 pm# 400:
Thanks Zooey:However,that was Steve53 last night.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:24 pmI,like you,sure hated seeing him get savaged like that.
Well then Diane you will have no problem calling the “war in Iraq†illegal and join us in pushing for the impeachment of President Bush, because it’s the only way you kiddo is coming home. of course i wouldnt have a problem with that.I have been saying that since the begining.I cant figure out how a prez got a bj and was almost impeached and yet almost 3000 Troops have lost their lives and he still sits on the throne.u think i dont have a clue that the terror alert color codes wasnt a way to make Americans afraid to rally support fpr war.U see im a free thinker and look beyond whats told to me.But it still doesnt change my opinion for whats best for my Son...... imagine going to boot camp/31b training and less than 3 months later hes off to iraq. he turned 19 there.Is that a goverment with much love for my son O Hell NO.......... but ya see my son joined not because of 911 or any other political bs he joined because he felt guilty that others were dying and he was here safe with no worries.He didnt feel that was right.In His mind him being there made a diffrence because one more body added to the war lottery of death meant a little less chance for others on the odds of being killed.It goes back to no greater love hath no man that he lay down his life for others.He could have went to college on a scholarship and started his life but thats not how he rolls.He thinkls we are invaders on their land as well.But ya c noone gets to pick where they go and what they do.But he is a strong athlete who felt a need to contribute to helping his fellow US mankind stay alive while being forced over there.I appolagize if im not smart enough i have no degree to brag on his father and i are average blu collar workers at ups so if i talk"dumbing down" it reflects my lack of college i suppose.I do however read all i can so yes i fel justified in writing my opinion.ps why is my name harsh... blame my momma not me.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:29 pmYour name is not harsh, it is the name of the Goddess of the Moon, and of the Hunt. In Pagan beliefs, she is the female counter part to Apollo, the male god of the sun.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:40 pmWhat if your son doesn’t come alive? What then?
Comment by Zooey — August 27, 2006 @ 11:38 am
Well if my son doesnt come home i would do the only thing i could do either live the rest of my life as a shell of the person i was and be totally unhappy ght devastated or plan b kill myself and end my misery.I could not bear to be with out my sweet precious Son hes all thats good in life.I live for his almost daily phone calls. What could any momma do when there Son is sent to fight an unjust war....... look on the bright side its almost unbearable to think that our Military deaths are for nothing some good did happen and that was terrorist know the US wont tolerate their random killings
August 27th, 2006 at 12:41 pmDiane,
I just don't understand your logic. I truly hope your son comes home safely.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:48 pmI'm surprised anyone of Native American heritage would support doing to others what was once done to their ancestors...
August 27th, 2006 at 12:50 pmWhat an idiot, that guy Batiste is. With people like him, it's no damn wonder our troops aren't winning the war. Thankfully, President Bush has a heck of a lot of genuine leadership that is pressing on (and winning) despite idiots and traitorous sounding comments from some disgruntled BGen named Batiste.
Robert "Barney" Rummel
August 27th, 2006 at 12:52 pmCMSgt (USAF - Ret)
Comment by No more blood for oil I couldnt agree with you more what makes u think i disagree????? PS Cindy knew that before her Son left or joined never underestimate Cindy thats why she grieves so strongly, she wants to help kids like my Son. Shes an Angel begging for mercy for all our Troops
August 27th, 2006 at 12:54 pmWhich is it, Barney?
In a single comment you say "our troops aren't winning the war," and "President bush has a heck of a lot of genius leadership that is pressing on (and winning)..."
It looks like you're blaming the troops for the poor war effort. Maybe the "genius leadership" ought to be sent to the front lines.
Is that what you're saying, Barney?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:57 pmI’m surprised anyone of Native American heritage would support doing to others what was once done to their ancestors…
Comment by unbelievable unbelievable is a good name for you because u have no clue obviously has to how i fell and how wrong u are ..... when have i ever said i support bush and believe in the war get your facts straight
August 27th, 2006 at 12:59 pmunbelievable is a good name for you because u have no clue obviously has to how i fell and how wrong u are ….. when have i ever said i support bush and believe in the war get your facts straight
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
Show me where my post used your name. I wasn't speaking to you. But you clearly have serious issues to assume it's all about you, assume the worst in other people and then attack someone you don't even know..
For the record, I didn't read your posts because your grammar and spelling are too atrocious to take you seriously. My comment wa in reference to BnF's posts.
Unbelievable is actually a reference to people like you. It's not my name.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:09 pmBarney ?? lol.
I thought Barney Fife passed away. :(
August 27th, 2006 at 1:17 pmdixieblood:
Add Robert "Gomer" Rummel to your list.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:22 pmThankfully, President Bush has a heck of a lot of genuine leadership that is pressing on (and winning)
Robert “Barney†Rubble
CMSgt (USAF - Ret)
Comment by Barney Fyfe — August 27, 2006 @ 12:52 pm
Now THATS funny.
In fact, thats the funniest thing I've heard all morning.
Thanks Sarge!
August 27th, 2006 at 1:41 pmPresident Bush has a heck of a lot of genuine leadership
Comment by Barney Fyfe — August 27, 2006 @ 12:52 pm
You mean he's doing a "heck-uva job"?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:42 pmComment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
"The Way of the Shaman" by Dr. Harner. Drumming is a common method among Native American trives of achieving the altered state of consciousness necessary to undertake a shamanic journey. Achieving that state without drumming is the exception, rather than the rule. And, if you read my post carefully, you'll note I never said drumming was necessary, just that I am able to undertake such journeys without drumming.
There is a tremendous amount of resources about shamanism on the internet. I suggest you do a bit of research before continuing this debate.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:49 pmI assure u my road the red road is pure selflessness,full of peace and doing the right thing.
My heart is good…
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
I have found the one of the most common traits among the best of us, is that they never feel the need, nor desire, to proclaim that fact.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:56 pmThe pro Bush people posting on this site are missing the point....First If the person who called the general an idiot would like to arrange a test between our idiot president and idiot secretary of defense and the general on military knowledge I would be happy to see it. Shouting hurray to the heavens and cheering on every aspect of this rediculous war would not change anything ....This is not a highschool footbal game you moro ns ...and second ....respect for the men and women fighting this war has nothing to do with supporting the war ...for the last time many if not most of the people who are against Iraq are loyal to this country in ways social and political yes men like thos ewho support it would not understand....... Hurray for the Army..[..Hurray for the Marines ....and the Air Force and Coast Guards and the Navy bboooo ....and I say again boooo for George Bush and his pal Rummy....Is there any moron here whg actually believes this administration has more war savy than the generals who have spoken out ...please ...The media is not losing this war....the militray is not losing this war ......the Bushies are ...face it your Right wing Christian regular guy hero is a moron....My concern for this conflist has always been the way the courage and loyalty of the Soldiers and Marines fighting it has been wasted
August 27th, 2006 at 1:56 pmOh by the way I alreqady know I cant spell so dont bother telling me
August 27th, 2006 at 1:58 pmok Briseadh na Faire in our tribe fasting and goin on a lone journey as well as sweat lodges help bring about tue journeys. I dont need to read a book i live it. Drums are used in dancing where i come from. Briseadh na Faire thats off the subject by the way.THANKS so much Zooey i appreciate that very much.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:13 pmMost of us Soldiers eventually figure out that this Republican Administration is willing to order us all out to die as easily as ordering a servant to take out the trash. This is why the true Republicans aren’t in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else in harms way. They are too chickenshit to get their hands dirty with the trash which includes Iraqis and American Soldiers alike.
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August 27th, 2006 at 2:28 pmIts such as sad truth i am very sorry for what u go through on a daily basis please know tome uare not disposable.I cry for all of u though i dont know your name my heart breaks for you and the position u have been put in. and royal u r right on target and i dont see anything wrong with your grammer lol if that was the worst of things lol think what a wonderful world it would be God bless u
CMSgt Rummel, thank god you're retired. Because if this looks like leadership to you, you've got Alzhimers and were thinking of Roosevelt.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:28 pmI assure u my road the red road is pure selflessness,full of peace and doing the right thing.
My heart is good…
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
I support torture
Comment by Diane — August 26, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
:|
August 27th, 2006 at 2:32 pmif your son or daughter was kidnapped by terrorists would you support torturing someone to get the information needed to save your parent, or child?????
Comment by Diane (with the good heart) — August 26, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
No.
:|
August 27th, 2006 at 2:35 pmThey dont torture for the hell of it. and tourturing isnt like in the days when the japs would popp a Soldiers knee cap out or removing body parts so lets not exadurate…….
Comment by Diane — August 26, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
Who's exadurate-ing?
:P
August 27th, 2006 at 2:38 pmI assure u my road the red road is pure selflessness,full of peace
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
I support nuclear weapons used on counties say for an example iran n korea
Comment by Diane — August 26, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
August 27th, 2006 at 2:40 pmi go out of my way to make people smile.
Comment by Diane — August 26, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
Smile?
Hell you've got us rolling in the asiles.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:43 pmDrums are used in dancing where i come from.
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 2:13 pm
Now THAT I believe.
:|
August 27th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWORFEUS like i said im for my son chicken chits like u dont want to join the Military. So if noone joins who will fight and not need the nukes.Thank the good Lord u are not my parent Its ny nature to protect my son.But imnot goingto lie and say i wouldnt support allmeans for my sons safety.if u have a problem dont sit on ur azz and do nothing go join the Militaryu and show them just what to do..... u r a fool. And yes i am about peace and all things good but practicaly has a way of changing your views.What will u do when iran or n korea nukes us act like nothing what do recommend we do?? or do u think it wont happen wake up
August 27th, 2006 at 2:54 pmI have found the one of the most common traits among the best of us, is that they never feel the need, nor desire, to proclaim that fact.
Comment by WORFEUS — August 27, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
Yep - our actions say it all. Only those whose actions are in contradiction to their words feel the need to clarify their 'goodness'.
Well said.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:54 pmWORFEUS wheres the quote of what u do to help this country???? no answer to that one tho huh
August 27th, 2006 at 2:55 pmWORFEUS like i said im for my son chicken chits like u.
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Whats a chicken chit?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:56 pmWhats a chicken chit?
Comment by WORFEUS — August 27, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
Anything like cow pies?
Ugh...
August 27th, 2006 at 2:58 pmSo if noone joins who will fight and not need the nukes
Comment by Diane Goodheart — August 27, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
:|
I'm sorry. Normally I can translate trailer-park, but your dialect lost me on that one.
Was that a question, a statement or did your cat walk across your keyboard?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:59 pmAnd yes i am about peace and all things good
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
like i said i support nuclear weapon use
Comment by Diane Goodheart — August 26, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
August 27th, 2006 at 3:01 pmWORFEUS, you're being totally unfair actually using a person's statements against them. if you did that with Bush or cheney where would we be?
August 27th, 2006 at 3:03 pmlook in the mirrior and u will see whats your contribution to society?? i see y your name is on the list of dumbazzes.What gives u the right to dis on Indians and they're traditions??? unbeileveable say something of your own lol i know u read my comments u said a refrence to my grammer abilitys so as a liar i dont recognize u as anything but a fart trying to get others to smell her wind.At least i stand up for my beliefs and dont hide behind others comments. Be a free thinker it will enlighten u
August 27th, 2006 at 3:04 pmif you did that with Bush or cheney where would we be?
Comment by bones — August 27, 2006 @ 3:03 pm
Hard to say but I'd sure like to find out.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:04 pmlook in the mirrior and u will see whats your contribution to society??
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
Personally?
I like to think of myself as sort of a cross between a court jester and a bullshit detector.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:09 pmBy the way Diane with the "good heart", I'm just curious.
Was punctuation just an option where you "come from"?
August 27th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI find it absolutely appalling that nearly ALL of these "responses" are personal attacks on other responders who don't agree with the attackers views. If you are going to argue politics, argue politics, and leave the name calling and insults out of it. Make your point with FACTS. Leave the name calling and insults on the playground.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:12 pmi have stated my thoughts u can agree or not as it is my freedom of speech.So while i wish u all happy hating.I have a life and wasted enoughof it on people like warpedhead. Trailer trash whats that a judgemental azzhole opinion of others that u deem better than such a shame to be full of hate for others let me guess.I see what a man of peace n good will u are.its people like u who think they r better than others and seek a way to do away with people who dont agree with u . SHAME ON YOU......
August 27th, 2006 at 3:15 pmMake your point with FACTS. Leave the name calling and insults on the playground.
Comment by Bone Star — August 27, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
Uh, I think all I did was post "her" statements Slappy, which is as "factual" as you can get.
As for the name calling Clem, I've reserved that for you.
Please scroll up, put down the SOF mag, and READ where it is you think I called her a name.
Cause I didn't lamebrain.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:17 pmi have stated my thoughts u can agree or not as it is my freedom of speech.
Comment by Diane Goodheart — August 27, 2006 @ 3:15 pm
And all I did sister, is REPOST them for you, for all to see.
Sorry they don't look as good to you reading them as when you wrote them down.
Next time, try thinking before you write. You'll serve up fewer softballs if you do.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:20 pmWhat will u do when iran or n korea nukes us act like nothing what do recommend we do?? or do u think it wont happen wake up
Comment by Diane — August 27, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Well "when" Iran or North Korea "nukes us", I imagine I'll blow up.
Problem is Eva, that neither Iran nor North Korea HAVE nuclear weapons that could hit the United States.
They have NONE.
ZERO.
So when they actually get some nukes that can reach US soil Ms Oppenheimer, gimme a holler, and we'll discuss it.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:24 pmAmerican deaths in Iraq, Afghan wars approach 9/11 tollLIES LIES LIES America Civillian contractors in this Statement dont count otherwise a lot more killed than 9/11
2,973 victims killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
2622 American troops killed in Iraq
333 American troops killed in Afghanistan
237 America civilian contractors killed in Iraq
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230 Coalition troops killed in Iraq
August 27th, 2006 at 3:39 pm112 Coalition troops killed in Afghanistan
211 Coalition civilian contractors killed in Iraq
Diane, For myself, I've written my Senators and my Congressman protesting the war. I've shared my views on this and other boards. I participated in my first ever anti-war protest last January by flying from California to D.C. to play "Amazing Grace" on the bagpipes for Casey Sheehan and all the fallen troops while Bush was giving his "State of the Union" address.
I teach junior high kids to think and question; to not take the word of someone at face value merely because he or she is in a position of authority, but to do their own research and look up primary sources.
I've also spent the past 4 years studying law, with an emphasis in employment and labor law, and in international human rights. I expect to be working in one of those fields once I pass the Bar.
Now, the same question to you: What do you do to help the country?
August 27th, 2006 at 3:50 pmOne more thing on the North Korea Iran nuking us scenario Diane.
Don't you find it just a little silly, for you to be in here crying about North Korea nuking us, when they've already come out in open defiance of international agreement to not develop nuclear weapons, and TOLD US, POINT BLANK, that not only are they making them, they HAVE THEM, and they're now TESTING THEM, while you're busy supporting a war where we're blowing the crap out of a country that would be lucky to produce a working microwave, much less a nuclear weapon?
I mean, doesn't that strike you as a little, hmmm...gee.. I don't.....STUPID maybe?
August 27th, 2006 at 4:02 pm"Bones, I’m beginning to think “Diane†is a work of fiction." Comment by Braid Fair
*******Dear Ooogah Boogah Braid Fair - Ironic how you and your list of playmates relegate to your "fictional file" people with whom you virulently disagree. What a magical little world you must live in!! If you click your ruby slippers together do you get to go home?
******Dear Diane, As demonstrated here at Think Pessimism, it's a good thing many of these people do not reproduce. Some would rather die than fight. That decision is theirs to make - but to decide not to fight evil with every ounce of your soul and defend one's child is pitiful.....
August 27th, 2006 at 4:03 pmIf our President was really worried about us being nuked by a rogue nation, why has he spent ALL of our military resources and budget fighting a country that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a SCUD in the first Gulf War, while doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as North Korea is laughing in his face?
August 27th, 2006 at 4:04 pmThat decision is theirs to make - but to decide not to fight evil with every ounce of your soul and defend one’s child is pitiful…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
We are fighting evil.
YOU.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:05 pmDear Ooogah Boogah Braid Fair...
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
You do have a choice, Mighty A. You can continue to live in fear and hate, or you can let it go and walk a different path.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:20 pmLast thing I'll say for now as I don't want to overpost and obviously I can't find anyone from the other dugout who can keep up.
I'm gonna answer a question for you that I asked, but you obviously can't answer.
The reason George W. Bush is doing NOTHING about North Korea, is because there is now, thanks to his cowboy shoot first ask questions later diplomacy in dealing with weaker, smaller nations, there is nothing he can do.
He shot his wad early. He squandered his diplomatic credibility when he went riding roughshot into Iraq without being willing to advance current diplomatic efforts. Doing so, he proclaimed Iraq a immediate threat with weapons of mass destruction, which necessitated our immediate aggression.
Then, Kim Jong Il came out, on global television, and laughed in the Presidents face, and said "you went into Iraq because you thought they might have WMD? Well guess what. We're TELLING YOU we have WMD and DARING YOU to do something about it".
And what did Bush do? Nothing. Cause he already shot his wad.
Thats what happened, and thats what the history books (or stone tablets depending on how this works out) well record it, regardless of how much feel good bullshit you people are able to fill yourselves with on a daily basis.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:22 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
Evil Witch, child killer, condones torture, condones rendition, condones nuclear strikes against civilian targets, evil witch with whom dignified ethical human beings do not associate. Subhuman evil.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:22 pm#458- "We are fighting evil. YOU." - Comment by WORFEUS
********My dear Wartfus - You poor little thing....how ignorant!!! I don't view you as "EVIL" because you disagree withy me. In my opinion, you and many of your little friends are: IMMATURE, NAIVE, SPOILED, SELF-CENTERED and ENVIOUS. Other than that, I'm certain there are a some "decent" progs out there....somewhere.....
August 27th, 2006 at 4:23 pmIMMATURE, NAIVE, SPOILED, SELF-CENTERED and ENVIOUS
Comment by mighty evil aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Hmmm....sure I can't just be evil like you?
I'll let you put me on your axis.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:25 pmI don’t view you as “EVIL†because you disagree withy me.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006
Unfortunately we KNOW your positions and you are not immature, ill informed, or niave - you're just subhuman EVIL.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:25 pm#446 - "I like to think of myself as sort of a cross between a court jester and a bullshit detector." - Comment by WORFEUS
*****Dear Diane, Wartfus is far too modest....He is also an expert white flag waver and falafel maker.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:27 pmWhen someone shows you what they are believe them - MA has advocated killing innocent men, women, and children. She condones torture, murder, and stealing my civil rights. She advocated the violation of our Constitution and blind obedience to her god GW Bush. OK MA we believe you, you are evil.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:28 pmDear Diane, Wartfus is far too modest….He is also an expert white flag waver and falafel maker.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 4:27 pm
I've got a falafel for you.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:33 pm#461 - ".....Subhuman evil." - Comment by bones
******Boner - Did you borrow that phrase from another bunch of anti-Jews?? Your last name wouldn't be Mengele, would it???
BTW, If you hurry you can still join the exclusive band Wartfus is forming: The Timely Mighty White-Hankie Wavers all Blue State Kazoooo Band.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:34 pmWorfeus, you can't approach mighty asshat with a "falafel", she'll render you're children, torture your parents, and have you sent to Checkoslovakia to be tortured because falafels are Muslim.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:36 pmThe Timely Mighty White-Hankie Wavers all Blue State Kazoooo Band.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
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You guys sorta got screwed on the funny gene didn't you?
August 27th, 2006 at 4:37 pm#468 no MA you're just a poor excuse for a human being, you're a great example of a know nothing, evil piece of bettle feces.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:37 pmBEETLE feces, bears repeating.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWorfeus, you can’t approach mighty asshat with a “falafelâ€, she’ll render you’re children, torture your parents, and have you sent to Checkoslovakia to be tortured
Comment by bones — August 27, 2006 @ 4:36 pm
I've got a pretty good idea that ole MA has handled more than one "falafel" in her day.
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August 27th, 2006 at 4:39 pmBones - You claim I advocate "stealing your civil rights". Please explain to the studio audience how your civil rights have been abridged. Take your time and walk us through the timeline carefully.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:39 pmPlease explain to the studio audience how your civil rights have been abridged
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
I'm your huckleberrry.
How about we start with this Blog.
Used to be, back in the good old days, I could come into a place like this and not worry that the guy I was talking to is really an undercover federal agent, monitoring my comments like the KGB looking for subversive activity and monitoring opponents of the war.
Wanna go on?
August 27th, 2006 at 4:43 pmNote asshat skipped right over the child killing, torture, murder, rendition, killing innocents and went right to "violations of my civil rights". See told you - pure evil, doesn't want to have to defend child murder but will defend taping my phone.....
August 27th, 2006 at 4:46 pmHey, here's a very good example of your god violating American Civil rights that have nothing to do with tapping phones:
Still more unchecked powers for the Bush administration
August 27th, 2006 at 5:00 pmThis article from the San Francisco Chronicle details the truly amazing story of two U.S. citizens -- a 45-year old resident of the San Francisco area and his 18-year old son -- who, after travelling to Pakistan, have been barred by the Bush administration from re-entering the country. They have not been charged with any crime, and no court has ordered or even authorized this denial of entry. The administration is just unilaterally prohibiting these two Americans from re-entering their country.
What, no response asshat, how abou this then:
Digby insightfully examines the disturbing arrest (disturbing, that is, for those who believe in the First Amendment) of New York resident Javed Iqbal for re-broadcasting a television channel owned by Hezbollah -- something the Bush administration intends to equate with "providing material support for terrorism."
August 27th, 2006 at 5:02 pmWhat ass, no response , well explain this:
What powers do Bush supporters think the Federal Government should not have against U.S. citizens, if any? To judge by this Editorial from National Review -- which tells us that we are "in the early stages of a long war"; advocates lengthy periods of "preventive detention" of U.S. citizens without any charges being brought; and rails against what it calls "hypothetical privacy violations" (such as the Government listening in on your calls without any warrants) -- the answer is "none."
August 27th, 2006 at 5:05 pmThat's why evil people must be identified and shunned as evil, not "politically" of a different point of view, or "philosophically" different but just plain evil. Even if you leapfrog over the fact that MA has and does want to kill innocent men, women, and children and rationalize that tapping your phone is just a "politically" different view and doesn't denote "evil", consider:
"But there's no need to worry. The Bush administration only intends to use these extraordinary, unchecked powers for your own good -- to protect you. That's why all of this yammering about the need for oversight or checks is just shrill paranoia. Placing blind trust and faith in the Goodness of our leaders to exercise powers against us in secret and with no oversight is the bedrock principle on which this country was founded. Only someone who hates this country could be against all of that."
August 27th, 2006 at 5:08 pmBoner - You sound JUST like Adolph Hitler and Josef Stalin rolled into ONE. People who disagree with the intelligensia = EVIL. You are one sick S*B ....WHICH of YOUR civil rights have been stolen? Gosh, I guess you and Wartfus must not pose much of a threat to the nation - you're still here....
August 27th, 2006 at 5:57 pmSo as I suspected you evil witch you have NOTHING to contribute to the fact that EVERY EXAMPLE ABOVE IS ILLEGAL AND DAMAGES AMERICANS and you don't care - see that's the point EVIL WITCH.
August 27th, 2006 at 6:02 pmAnd your last comment was just stupid, but I'll leave you with one more example of how violating civil rights hurts Americans, not that you and satan will care but for completeness sake:
The ‘cloaked draft(s)’ or ‘back-door draft(s)’ seem to be new, but it reality are actually in keeping with a long line of practices the United States government has been using since the Anglo-American occupation of Iraq started in 2003. These practices include systematically barring U.S. troops in the Marine Corps and U.S. Army from leaving the proximity or near proximities of Iraq or Afghanistan, called ‘stop loss orders’ and/or prolonging military tours of duty beyond what was established/understood/promised to or with American servicemen and/or assigning multiple/consecutive military tours of duty and/or obstructing/delaying the retirement of American servicemen. These compulsory orders for involuntary duty
August 27th, 2006 at 6:03 pmBoner- Let me clarify - Are you NOW saying your Civil rights have NOT been stolen from you? Your "argument" (HA!) appears as firm as shifting sand.....
August 27th, 2006 at 6:11 pmYou sound JUST like Adolph Hitler and Josef Stalin rolled into ONE. People who disagree with the intelligensia = EVIL.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 5:57 pm
Well lets examine that statement for a moment. Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. Two interesting choices.
Adolf Hitler and Joe Stalin "killed" people they didn't agree with.
The right wing is currently busy "killing" people they don't agree with.
We're just pointing it out in a blog.
How does that equate us to Hitler and Stalin again?
August 27th, 2006 at 6:13 pmPlease explain MA why you equate the commonwealth to the rulers?
Wouldn't it be more apt to compare us private citizens who have no power or authority with the German citizens who also had no power or authority over Hitler?
It seems odd that you guys have turned to calling us Hitler, when none of us holds office, or weilds any jurisdictional power over any county, court or province.
Could it be after being so accuately compared to the rise of the Third Reich that the new right wing talking points are now simply "I know you are but what am I"?
August 27th, 2006 at 6:20 pmYes you evil son of satan MY FRICKING CIVIL RIGHTS HAVE BEEN STOLEN. You condone this and as such are an enemy of the United States. I happen to also be willing to call you what you really are a shell of a pseudohuman inhabited by evil.
August 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmAgain note mighty asshat CAN'T justify her support of torture, rape,, killing so picks "civil rights" violations to defend. despite #s 477, 478, 479, 480, 483, and the phone tapping issue this evil piece of filth CAN'T defend even one action and reverts to calling me Hitler and Stalin. Evil can't defend evil, it stands as what it is - MA you are filth and evil and that's why i call you what you are. you will not put perfume on your purulent ass and call it beauty here.
August 27th, 2006 at 6:27 pmWell MA, your clocks about as clean as I can get it.
Besides, you're way too slow on the draw for my taste.
,..........yawn......
I'll look for you later in the funny pages.
Bones. Give em hell.
chow for now
August 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pmDr "Bones" McCoy
August 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pmStar Trek
1967
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August 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pmThanks "WORF"EUS, thank god i had a Klingon for backup.
August 27th, 2006 at 6:47 pmSomeone is impersonating me. The person who left a comment with a upside down smiley face is not me.
Apparently being upable to defeat me in open debate, MA or one of her thugs has decided to attempt to impersonate me, apparently hoping to make a comment or statement to get me banned. Don't worry lamebrain, whoever you are. TP has our IP addresses. Also they have our email addresses. They will be able to easily discern your bogus imposter posts, and besides, do you actually think you're capable of impersonating me in the grammatical sense?
I trust my friends in here will know when its me, and know when its you.
And don't worry. I won't be suckered into taking up more than this one post to refute one of your bogus misrepresentations, unless it is appended to another post. But I will email TP letting them know someone is trying to impersonate me, and identfiying each and everyone of your bogus posts.
Losers.
First they lose the match.
Then they lose their honor.
August 27th, 2006 at 6:47 pmI am rude and frankly I speak out of my butt. i apolagize for my lack of sincerity. I have no life and here i can be the BIG man on the block. I know i use peoples words and twist them and take them out of context. How can look intelligent if don't? mighty aphrodite I know you never said you wish innocent children dead but it makes my point seem more real. To all I have offended I am truly sorry. I did admit I was a mere court jester.Lighten up a bit would ya!
August 27th, 2006 at 7:00 pmI have confidence that the US will do the right thing in Iraq, after it has exhausted all the other alternatives
August 27th, 2006 at 7:20 pmBones, while I agree with much of what you say, I do ask that you not use the phrase "evil witch." Contemporary witches work in harmony with nature, and nature is neither good nor evil. Nature is cycles of life, growth, decay and death. And from death, new life springs forth. The phrase "evil witch" brings to mind the Hollywood "Wizard of Oz" stereotype.
*****
Mighty A - you're a lawyer and you don't know about the civil rights violations of the Bush Administration? Check out the latest statement by the ABA for crying out loud!!!!!
Then you might want to read the essay by John Dunne, "No man is an Island..." If you have half a brain (I realize, I may be assuming too much here) you would know that when the Government takes away the civil rights from one of us, it takes them away from all of us. NO ONE here can say with absolute certainty that the NSA is not monitoring them, without probable cause, without a warrant. We don't even know for sure if the Government is abiding by the judge's permanent injunction.
And our Government picked up and held a United States citizen for some 3 years without charges being filed, merely by the Executive Branch's declaration that he was an "enemy combatant." Tell me, Ms. Defense Attorney, which of his civil rights were violated those three years? None? Then it's perfectly ok to hold you indefinitely, as long as the Executive Branch declares you to be an enemy combatant.
Mann - Reversed. It suits you well.
August 27th, 2006 at 7:35 pmNo mighty ass you are a creation of your own self centered greed racism and filth. You are the dipshit you have created in your own dark heart and you are an evil piece of crap.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:20 pmCome on, Mighty A, you claim to be a defense attorney. Answer the questions about civil rights. They're in your field of expertise. You should be able to knock those off in less than 60 seconds, if you're really a defense attorney.
No shifting subjects to international law now, not in the middle of a class on civil rights. We'll get to international law later. Now, back to the topic at hand: Civil rights and "enemy combatants."
Or are you begging the question because you are a complete fraud, not an attorney at all?
oh, and "People who assume to know more of what was said than was said - are typically stupid." I never said I was a witch/warlock, white or otherwise.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pmAnd asshat you can't ask questions here till you start answering some. i sincerly doubt you're an attorney, and if you are then it says loads about the pithetic state of the law in this country, inbred evil pieces of crap stealing and persecuting honest people, yeah like that's justice.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pmBones, thanks for not equating Mighty A with witches in your above post. AS Sharon says, Blessings....we need them.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:28 pmSo asshat, you still have not even attempted to address the civil rights violations in posts 477, 478, 479, 480, 483. So supposedly you are an attorney and know NOTHING about civil rights. So I'll give you another way people are being hurt by BUSHCO, one that is near and dear to your black pathetic heart, dollars"
The National Priorities Project has a real eye-opening website that calculates the cost of the War in Iraq and them compares it to what we could do with that money.
As a resident of California, here’s what they say we could be doing:
Taxpayers in California will pay $40.3 billion for the cost of war in Iraq. For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
16,733,296 People with Health Care or
627,551 Elementary School Teachers or
4,767,634 Head Start Places for Children or
25,168,314 Children with Health Care or
235,246 Affordable Housing Units or
4,390 New Elementary Schools or
7,685,109 Scholarships for University Students or
616,017 Music and Arts Teachers or
741,482 Public Safety Officers or
117,140,845 Homes with Renewable Electricity or
601,790 Port Container Inspectors
Defend that idiot.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:34 pm616,017 Music and Arts Teachers...I teach in California. Up until last year I taught music. My program was axed due to the budget.
Hey there, Mighty A?! Even a Google search doesn't take this long! If you don't answer a simple question about civil rights, how can we believe you're a defense attorney? People here might begin calling you Mighty Afraudite...
August 27th, 2006 at 8:45 pmBriseadh, sorry for the laid off thing, but it proves Bush hurts everyday Americans thoughtlessly. But there's a better name for mighty asshat, if you've seen my posts she is condoning killing innocents, nuclear attacks on population centers, and in one specific case she thought it was ok to tie an Iraqi General in a sleeping bag and beat him to death. She is below contempt. Therefore the campaign to label her what she really is. She isn't just a righty, she's a despicable excuse for a subhuman.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:51 pmStop asking Mighty Ass to prove it's a lawyer, because it's not. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but my life for the last 13 years has been saturated with lawyers.
I know great lawyers, good lawyers, lawyers who mean well, and "who took the bar exam for tht idiot" lawyers.
Every single one of them could recite the answer to that civil rights question while in a coma. Every lawyer I know speaks in a very deliberate manner, especially defense attorneys. They may believe a certain way, but it is not coming out in a public forum.
Mighty Asshat is not a lawyer.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:52 pmMighty Aphrodite,
Do not bother responding to my comment. There is nothing you can possibly say to me, and I will not respond to it.
Thanks for playing.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:55 pmwho - It is possible the same person was posting under both names. The person could have been playing both ends, trying to "get to" those of us who disagree with the current administration. I note Diane hasn't responded to my question earlier. Neither has Mighty Afraudite.
A check on the IP addresses would lend credence to that theory. Unfortunately, we are unable to do that.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:12 pmThere is a wonderful section of song written by those of us who served in Viet Nam:
You can't fix a duce and a half with a part that will not fit
August 27th, 2006 at 10:15 pmYou can't make a chicken pie out of chicken shit.
I’ve heard Batiste is going to join Wesley Clark on the “former Generals who HATE WAR†ticket. After Batiste is awarded the Smedley Butler Medal of Doveness they may be able to carapult to the top of the ticket….
comment by Mighty Hypocrite
It's so typical of Mighty Cut-and-Run Troll to post on the one hand how the military should be thanked, all the while trying to slime any military person--including highly decorated ones--who don't agree with Bushevik policy.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:19 pmNo, Mighty Cut and Run, General Batiste's record should be proof enough that your statement is pure BS, as usual. But even if it were true, I think the "former Generals who HATE WAR" ticket would be far worthier than the "Chickenhawks who love war, as long as they and their families aren't involved." group currently occupying the White House and key positions within it.
I am rude and frankly I speak out of my butt. i apolagize for my lack of sincerity. I have no life and here i can be the BIG man on the block. I know i use peoples words and twist them and take them out of context. How can look intelligent if don’t? mighty aphrodite I know you never said you wish innocent children dead but it makes my point seem more real. To all I have offended I am truly sorry. I did admit I was a mere court jester.Lighten up a bit would ya!
Comment by A really illiterate fake WORFEUS — August 27, 2006 @ 7:00 pm
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No MA.
The way you tell the fake Worfeus is by his complete inabilty to form a coherent sentence or to puncutate said sentence.
By the way. Your most recent posts seem rambling, incoherent and wholey inarticulate.
You sure you're an attorney?
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Oh well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe you're just not a very good one.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:20 pmi apolagize for my lack of sincerity.
Comment by A really illiterate fake WORFEUS — August 27, 2006 @ 7:00 pm
Anyone who knows me knows I'd never apolagize.
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I might apologize but I'd never do that other thing.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:24 pmLora, good to hear from you again! I'm tempted to look up the relevant codes and refer Mighty A to the State Attorney General for fraudulently representing herself to be an attorney. Attorneys are Officers of the Court, so they take this kind of thing rather seriously.
If she's not a member ot the State Bar, it wouldn't go to the Bar for discipline. Which is too bad. My Professional Responsibility professor is the head of the State Bar. He LOVES to go after unethical attorneys, especially those who bring discredit upon the profession. Mighty A, with her ooooga boooga and repeated name-calling of other posters would certainly qualify as one he would be pleased to disbar.
I hope all is well with you, Lora.
Peace and Blessings
August 27th, 2006 at 10:37 pmI said “You SOUND like..Hitler..Stalin.†I did NOT say you wield power, behave in a manner consistent with or any additional allegation.
Comment by the notso-mighty aphrodite — August 27, 2006 @ 8:08 pm
Maybe you just want to be an attorney?
Because you're arguing a case no one ever made.
I merely suggested the superfluousness of comparing the general population with world leaders.
It would seem an attorney would use more applicable comparisons. Like maybe you could compare us with the German people who lived outside of Buchenwald. At least it would be a more correct representation.
For example, if you were describing the perpetrator of a speeding offense, and compare say to a Police Officer, the Defense would likely point out that a Police Officer has authority, and can speed legally as part of executing his authority.
Then the Judge would laugh, the courtroom would laugh at you, and the Judge might advise you to keep your analogies relevant.
If this is over your head, just lemme know, and I'll dumb it down even more.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:40 pmOh and BTW.
The Wartfus thing? I don't get it. I've asked a few friends and they don't seem to get it either.
Its just it doesn't mean anything. Now if you said Wart4us, well, at least that would mean something. But Wartfus?
Whats a Wartfus?
I'd try Whore-forus, or Bore-eus.
These at least mean something and you might get a chuckle out of someone.
Hope this helps.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:02 pmGenerals like Batiste are our last line of defense. Those Generals who would refuse an order from Bush to go into an unnecessary war must be told that the American people support them.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:13 pmHe did exactly what he was supposed to do according to military code. If a General disagrees with his CIF he is supposed to resign. He did that, and now losers like MA want to call him soft.
Anyones soft who won't kiss her masters butt.
Well, Batiste led the BIG RED ONE. What did MA do again?
August 27th, 2006 at 11:30 pmEvery nation in every region now has a decision to make.
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
George W. Bush
August 28th, 2006 at 12:12 amGuess that means Maj General John Batiste, the man who led the most famous infantry division in history, is with the terrorists, huh?
August 28th, 2006 at 12:18 amOnly a Sith speaks in absolutes!
August 28th, 2006 at 1:02 amOnce more, by the numbers!...MG John Batiste (US Army ret.) is a genuine American Hero! Rather than cow-tow to Rummy in order to get a promised third star, he resigned his commission so that he could speak the TRUTH! Under his command, the 1st Infantry Division had taken control of Samarra, restored order and provided a great deal of security for the civilian population. Then the Big Red One was ordered to move out and redeploy. Samarra again fell into anarchy; it has had to be retaken over and again. MG Batiste understood that his successful tactics were being undercut by DoD Sec'y Rumsfeld. Moreover, though his FIRST responsibility is to the MISSION, his PRIMARY responsibility is to the men under his command to keep them ALIVE! As General Patton once said, "It's NOT your duty to die for your country; it's the other son-of-a-bitch's duty to die for HIS country!"
One other thing about all your rants about 'patriotism': those of us combat veterans who have been awarded medals for valor have the eternal gratitude of the men whose lives we may have helped save; even though some of you would denigrate our service because we now have the temerity to speak out against an unjust war and the top-down FUBAR tactics that cause even more unneccessary losses of our precious young men and women soldiers.
"No Mission Too Difficult! No Sacrifice Too Great! DUTY FIRST!"---'Big Red One' motto (but we weren't stupid about it!)
Sgt Rock; CIB, BSM, ACM'v', etc. 1st Inf. Div.; '66-'67 RVN
August 28th, 2006 at 1:56 amto 432 Exaggerate? They are torturing people until they die. That is about as bad as it gets. Negroponte and his thug James Steele have brought their death squads to Iraq , and trained them to use electric drills on people . Yes we are torturing people and murdering innocent people and every other evil thing that conquerers do. Those fools in our government must have forgotten to read the end of the story when they were reading the history of Rome, Britain, Napolean, etc etc . They all failed in the end.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:03 amMelissa. You're preaching to the choir. Go back and read the comment. I was quoting someone calling themselves Diane.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:32 amDiane said she "supports" torture...... whatever that means.
She also thinks she has a "good heart".
I was merely musing on the irony.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:35 amI'm in Iraq right now have been for 8 months in two different regions Nineveh (Mosul) and Anbar (Ramadi). These good news stories they keep trying to blast over the bad news stories are the exception not the rule. We kill 1 insurgent, literally, 3 more come from around the corner and drag the body away. They are going to use the military Information Operations network (actual military doctrine, look it up) on the American people as we gradually slide out to cover up the fact things are bad and only getting worse. The fact is we cant win the public because we can't repair the stuff we damaged because the situation is too volatile. From over here it looks like we make gradual gains and then we slide backward farther than we moved forward. We could be doing this for years. This why if the Iraqis wanted to be free they should have done it themselves, it should not have been done by an occupying army.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:36 amTom.
I checked out your link. You're amazing dude. I mean really amazing.
I hope TP picks up on you. Just be careful. Don't get yourself in trouble or anything. I don't know what the rules are on you guys speaking up like this in blogs, and honestly I'm glad to see you have access to TP, but I'm sure they must "frown" on it.
I hope to see you in here a lot.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:42 amTom, hope you don't mind but I had to post this one from your blog. This ones classic.
Nothing against these idol winners but I think it's fitting that the only talent our American "Idol" has is the ability to sing karaoke.
From Toms Blog
August 28th, 2006 at 2:48 amYup. That ones a keeper, LMAO.
You got some good stuff over there Tom. I enjoy your writing style.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:52 amGuys I am from Greece.Maybe its not my business but I ve read all the comments in this page an dthe only I have to say is...WHAT A NICE DEMOCRACY YOU HAVE where Generals cannot speak freely not even teachers.It sounds like Sadhams Iraq and not the country of Freedom.You should all wake up and DO SOMETHING...!!!!!
August 28th, 2006 at 4:17 amI'm sure all the Chickenhawk fans here will just continue to LOVE the current regime when the draft comes back.
OH WAIT IT'S ALREADY HERE! Ever heard of INVOLUNTARY RECALL? That's right folks, even now troops are being FORCED to continue fighting when they should have come home.
Also, BushCo lovers PLEASE find out the state of your economy. The nation now has a bigger deficit than it has ever had in history. And he started off with a SURPLUS.
You still wanting these incompetent draft dodging buffoons to run (ruin) the country?
August 28th, 2006 at 5:55 amBriseadh na Faire in #516
August 28th, 2006 at 8:38 amGood idea. And good luck with it.
My physical health is okay, even after a weekend spent at a couple different wine tastings. Psychologically, I have been steadily recovering from the death last month of a very good friend. I have lost other friends and relatives over the years, but this one hit me particularly hard. I have in my living room on top of the TV a vase that he used to keep his keys in; I am using it for its original purpose: flowers.
Actually, both Hitler, and Stalin were anti-Intellegentsia. Indeed most oppressive dictatorial regimes out there are violently against anything resembling a progressive or a liberal. Thus, the more apt way of taking MA's statement is to say that it shows that MA is like a less charismatic mass murdering dictator. Take your pick, her statement fits the lot of them.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:41 amAs far as I can recall, all dictatorial regimes go after education first. Academicians (teachers) are silenced and the State (in this case, read Federal) Government takes control inorder to indoctrinate the children. Recall that one of this Administration's first programs was No Child Left Behind, which was the greatest Federal intrusion into education ever in the history of this country. And No Child Left Behind's mandates are statistically impossible to attain, thus assuring a Federal takeover of every public school.
August 28th, 2006 at 9:24 amI do not feel the need to defend myself. I believe the same way most of you do,yet I apprantly dont get my point across.I get called vile names. Since i work at ups and am not a lawyer I am white trash. I'm not even Diane. If i ever post a comment again i will have to use another name since Diane is to ficticious.I have no clue why some of you have to be mean and degrating to me.I'm talking about real time and others are talking about what if's.Some of you say everyone should get out of the military(as if thats an option),and no one should join.Yet N Korea is a very real threat.It matters not that we brought it upon ourselves.(we poke our nose in everyones buisness).You say we should not nuke them.(like thats my first choice NOT) Well what is it we should do.I certainly dont want my son or Tom or any of them to go over there and fight hand to hand where we are out numbered and sent to certain death. They are real Troops over there liviving in sub human conditions look up the living conditions in some of the camps our Troops are living in. Then suggest i love Bush because he sent my son to hell????? I hate when people think Troops arent real like they are disposable and dont have names go to http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/ (if this doesn't make you cry nothing will) Its mean to suggest my son and Troops like Tom should be alone over there. They have to stay till their contract is up. Doing patrols outside of “the wire†is a routine you or I couldnt stomache once little own call it routine. While I understand they voulenteered should'nt we offer our Troops some protection? Or do they deserve to die just beacuse they joined? Can you imagine being mortored while you are sleeping? So often the siren doesn't send you into a state of panic? Can you imagine what its like to kill someone or be killed? How anyone purpose to help the Troops out. They are real and believe like you do!
August 28th, 2006 at 10:33 amUnbeleivable,
August 28th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI remember 1971 as a child. I had a 1st grade teacher who discussed in class the veitnam war. All she said, and I remember this, was that people were dying in a very bad war. People who dont know history tend to repeat it. Thankfully there are teachers out there who remind us.
I have no clue why some of you have to be mean and degrating to me
Comment by Diane — August 28, 2006 @ 10:33 am
Gee Diane, no idea???
None?
Well how about little Gems like this one?
I support torture
Comment by Diane — August 26, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
Are we learning yet?
August 28th, 2006 at 12:43 pmSince i work at ups and am not a lawyer I am white trash
Comment by Diane — August 28, 2006 @ 10:33 am
Well I never called you that.
Of course, since you are self proclaiming yourself as white trash, I might point out that this moniker has little to do with your tenure at UPS.
I would look to your advocating the torturing other human beings and Genocide to start.
Those are definately white trash priniciples, and may have something to do with your appointment to that position.
August 28th, 2006 at 12:46 pmThey are real Troops over there liviving in sub human conditions
Comment by Diane — August 28, 2006 @ 10:33 am
Yes they ARE real troops.
And what do you think is going to happen to some of these "real troops" when they get captured by the enemy when self professed white trash like yourself are back here at home busy advocating we torture these people?
Huh?
Does your trailer park reichstag manual look that far down the road sister? Can you think that far down the road?
Or are you like Bush, and can only strech your tiny marble to anticipate the next 24 hours?
August 28th, 2006 at 12:50 pmCan you imagine being mortored while you are sleeping? So often the siren doesn’t send you into a state of panic? Can you imagine what its like to kill someone or be killed?
Comment by Diane — August 28, 2006 @ 10:33 am
Try reading some comments Diane. There are plenty of GI's in here, including some CURRENTLY SERVING in Iraq.
Talk to Tom Paine. Talk to Sgt Rock. Talk to Clif or Spudge.
They'll set you straight.
August 28th, 2006 at 12:55 pmWORFEUS
Diane does not understand that actions have consequences: Nuke North Korea, North Korea Nukes Japan. China Nukes you. Everyone starts nuking everyone and suddenly, wow, there aren't any people anymore. Nukes as weapons are worthless, they are far too powerful for any rational human being to choose to use them, which is why the Neocons are all in favour of their frequent deployment. Sane people generally have more sense.
August 28th, 2006 at 12:59 pmBraid Fair - My legal specialty is not Civil Rights, per se. I am a Crimial Defense Attorney in private practice. I guard the Constitutional Rights of my clients utilizing proscribed criminal procedure and rules of evidence. In an arena which heavily favours the prosecution, my acquittal rate contributes a measure to a successful practice. I am nothing more...or less...
Bones is a flame thrower who asserts HIS/HER Civil Rights have been abridged. He/She is a demonstrated liar. He proceeds to give me the "Indymedia" account of a Hezbollah sympathizer. I would examine the evidence and turn over the leaf before you make a larger fool of yourself. I admire your zeal - but there is a WORLD of difference between "learning" the law, understanding the law and APPLYING the law. Get back with me when you've actually been in the legal trenches....
I have a client due at 11:00 - 'til later....
August 28th, 2006 at 1:21 pmI am a Crimial Defense Attorney in private practice.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 28, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Now THAT I find hard to believe.
What kind of good all american card carry right wing Bush supporter becomes a "Defense" attorney?
Now if you had said you were an Assistant District Attorney or or something, I'd say sure. that makes sense. But a Defense Attorney? What kind of client would you be willing to defend? You are an advocate for the state in here, but you oppose the state in your daily practice?
I'm finding that a stretch.
But like I said yesterday, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe you're just not a very good one.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:26 pmI have a client due at 11:00
Comment by mighty matlockite — August 28, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Well send him our condolences.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:27 pmWORFEUS
Diane does not understand that actions have consequences: Nuke North Korea, North Korea Nukes Japan. China Nukes you.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 28, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
You know it Bruce. For that matter if we dropped a nuke in Iran the repercussions could be devastating. Russia would not sit still for a nuke detonated that close to their borders, nor would they allow us to take out their oil reserves.
Unfortunately people like Diane are too much like Bush. Full of a lot of "Feel Good" politics and "tough talk" which is apparently the result of watching to many Elliot Ness and the Untouchables reruns.
International relations with nuclear powers tends to be a bit more tedious.
And patience is not apparently among the virtues of the new reich wing.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:33 pmCourse I'm still trying to get my head around the idea that MA is actually "Defending" people in court. Prosecuting I could see. But defending them?
Based on her patronage of the state in here, I think her client would be better served In propria persona.
As for her support of this war?
Ex turpi causa non oritur actio
Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:48 pm1. I’m sorry. Normally I can translate trailer-park, but your dialect lost me on that one.Comment byWORFEUS lol 2. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THIS. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE TROOPS BE REMOVED FROM IRAQ IMMEDIATELY! I recall statements refering to teachers advocating boycotting a recruiters visit hmm it seems to me that would mean noone joining means no military! How should I have interpeted that? I have the same desire. Do you think i want him there so your point is mute, that is unless when you say it it just makes you sound authorative and intelligent 2. You are not a real mother of a soldier in Iraq Comment byWORFEUS I am baffled how you came to that decision. 3. I suggest you take your ass down to your local legislator and camp on his/her door step until your son is home Comment byWORFEUS Who the hell do you think you are to suggest I haven't. I live in a state that doesnt believe in the war either so my voice is heard.4. Wasting your time trying to convince us that nuking and torturing people is for the benefit of your son is pure ignorance Comment byWORFEUS When im hungry for you to feed words in my mouth I will let you know! I dont recall advocating nuclear weapons. I do recall reffering it to a last resort. Not as a lets attack them with nuclear weapons and start a war. Also as a reffrence to an alternative if they start a war with us.4. GEORGE W. BUSH is more of a threat to national security than Iraq and North Korea combined Comment byWORFEUS again who the hell do you think you are to suggest i dont agree? again When im hungry for you to feed words in my mouth I will let you know! I support torture . Torture is not the rule but merely an exeption to the rule. If it can be avoided of course i prefer that. At the same time if torturing lead to saving the lives of 911 and the countless other attacks of innocent people.And the ones that it would be needed for are certainly not innocent as the civilians they randomly and specificly attack.Its an ugly world im going by the lesser of the 2 evils.Perhaps Im wrong but its what i believe.5 And what do you think is going to happen to some of these “real troops†when they get captured by the enemy when self professed white trash like yourself are back here at home busy advocating we torture these people?Comment byWORFEUS Again you put words in my mouth why is it you want me to sound like I would do that.Get off you pompous horse and quit twisting my words!
August 28th, 2006 at 1:58 pmSUGGESTING THAT THE TROOPS BE REMOVED FROM IRAQ IMMEDIATELY is all we can do but it hasnt happened you live in a fantasy world of what ifs and the cold hard truth is we are the and Troops are dying 3 a day thats real your suggestions arent any helpnor do they change the real fact. So at this point i have to change adapt and overcome. You can say all you want about me.I wont be back i posted my statement and that all i came to do and now i have done that. I wish you all a good life!
Diane, I think you lost all credibility and any notion of respect to you when
a) You think Torture is fine and dandy.
b) You think using nuclear bombs is fine and dandy.
Cover it up, dodge and shift all you like but you've said it more than once, mein fuhrer. You say you have a son? What about all the MILLIONS, possibly BILLIONS of children, their parents and relatives you'll quite happily want to reduce to nuclear dust?
That's only the "lucky" ones. The ones who survive, well, perhaps you ought to go visit Iraq and see the grotesque deformities being birthed over there, as a direct result of radiation poisoning (from depleted uranium). Now imagine the consequences of full on nuclear fallout. Perhaps you should also visit some of the descendents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
You SERIOUSLY don't understand why people are being mean to you? After that? Get the hell outta here. If I were your son I'd be embarrassed beyond words.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:13 pmYou are not a real mother of a soldier in Iraq Comment byWORFEUS
Comment by Diane — August 28, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Now you've stooped to lying Diane?
Making up comments and attributing them to me so you can "sound smart"?
Lying is what your side does so I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to call you on that one.
Show me where I said that.
Show US ALL where I said that.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:51 pmThanks WORFEUS. I do what I can from here. All within legal bounds, of course (AR 27-10 and AR 600-20 App. B). The internet, where I can post and read things, and my blog, ANGER MANAGEMENT, are my therapy. Keeps me sane. The free time I do have I spend at the internet cafe that we are lucky enough to have on our FOB. I'm afraid some of the things I've put on there could possibly get me into trouble but I cant hide how I feel...if I kept it inside I might wind up not knowing how to deal with it and kill innocent people...hence Anger Management. I am just now able to download Air America so that helps too. Everyone feel free to stop by the blog and leave a comment even the "trolls" are welcome.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pmTom you're the bravest guy I've ever talked to.
You put yourself in harms way for your country and now you're putting yourself in your harms way "FROM" your country.
You definately ROCK dude.
I told some people about your blog. One of thems an actress (a hot one too) and she may be talking to you soon.
August 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pm#550 - "Course I’m still trying to get my head around the idea that MA is actually “Defending†people in court. Prosecuting I could see. But defending them?
Based on her patronage of the state in here, I think her client would be better served In propria persona." Comment by Worfeus
******Dear Woof - You assumptive nature FAILS you once more....You might even be surprised how many honest Dems are in the DA's office....This may shock you - BUT at work, I keep my politics to myself. Before a motion hearing, the judge does not call everyone into his/her chambers for political updates. The ADA's I usually work with don't discuss Schwartenegger vs. Angelides before we discuss plea agreements. When I go to visit an incearcerated client, I don't discuss my opposition toi the death penalty with correction personnel. Your shallow stupidity reinforces my assertion that your opinion of me is none of my business.
"Don't be humble....you're not that great." - Golda Meir
August 28th, 2006 at 3:24 pmBefore a motion hearing, the judge does not call everyone into his/her chambers for political updates.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 28, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
Really?
Thanks for the tip.
But my comment was more geared towards your overall mentality, not your wearing your party symbol on your sleeve.
August 28th, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Your shallow stupidity reinforces my assertion that your opinion of me is none of my business.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 28, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
Cute. I like that.
Question is, why keep refuting it if it is of no concern to you?
August 28th, 2006 at 3:38 pmBTW, I couldn't help but notice you tip toed around propria persona.
Could it be you don't know what this means?
Hurry, look it up Matlock.
August 28th, 2006 at 3:48 pmPerhaps you are a little non compos mentis?
August 28th, 2006 at 3:50 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — August 28, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Translation: Mighty Afraudite has no clue. A Criminal Defense attorney could knock off in a few seconds which rights were violated by the Executive Branch holding an United States Citizen for years without charges. Hint: they're found in the Constitution!
Mighty Afraudite took 18 hours and still avoided answering the question. She lacks the basic fundamental knowledge required of a defense attorney.
August 28th, 2006 at 4:55 pmYou know it Briseadh
Like I said, if she is a defense attorney, her clients would be better off propria persona. (representing themselves).
August 28th, 2006 at 4:58 pmBriseadh, Worfeus, etc.
August 28th, 2006 at 6:46 pmWhile I have long doubted that Mighty Hypocrite has the brains to be an attorney and his/her inability to spell a word commonly used in the legal world like "breach" correctly certainly casts further doubts on his/her claims to this profession, in a way I can see him/her as a criminal defense attorney. After all, what he/she has basically been doing on various TP posts is defend criminals.
Dear Braid Fair - Thank you for giving our viewers your Constitutional update. I am continually amazed how those who graduate from Matchbook University School of Law "with distinktion" try to impress others with a rote recitation of Constitutionally guaranteed rights. You may wish to impress us further with cited precedents.... You are a fine example for differentiating those "who do" and those "who talk about it".
To paraphrase Braid Fair: "She took 18 hours...blah,blah,blah....and I know this because I have NOOO life..." You poor little thing......
Woof and Braid - Rookies often refer to a client's self representation: propria persona. Seasoned veterans usually cut to the chase: in pro per....
August 28th, 2006 at 6:47 pmDear Lora - How clever of you to expand your simple spelling/typo argument!!! God forbid you should ever need the services of a criminal defense attorney, but should such an awful day arrive, you'd be better served by someone who knows their way around a court room than a a rune tosser...
Most people fail to understand that exceptional defense attorneys demand the best of prosecutors, DA investigators and the police. Defense attorneys guard the rights of all the people.
August 28th, 2006 at 6:57 pmMighty Hypocrite,
August 28th, 2006 at 7:34 pmI realize we, including myself, all make typos. When a poster here misspells a word once, I am more than willing to give that person the benefit of the doubt and view it as a typo. However, when a person consistenly misspells words like "breach" and "foment" as "breech" and "fulment" (your versions of the two words), even after being told by others that they are errors, I have no choice but to conclude that that person, such as yourself, simply doesn't know how to spell them. It is particularly suspicious that a so-called attorney can't spell a word like "breach" as in "breach of contract." Sorry, dear, your excuse holds no water.
I doubt if I will ever need a criminal attorney. But if I do, you can be sure I will not hire one out of San Diego, just to be safe.
Comment by Lora — August 28, 2006 @ 6:46 pm
Thanks - that was good for a laugh!
August 28th, 2006 at 7:43 pmWoof and Braid - Rookies often refer to a client’s self representation: propria persona. Seasoned veterans usually cut to the chase: in pro per….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 28, 2006 @ 6:47 pm
Wow that only took hours.
As for calling me a "rookie"?
A "rookie" imples a novice at a given profession or skill.
I can't speak for Briseadh but I am not an attorney so I can't be described as a "rookie" as you infer.
As for Latin, I know a little from my study of the Vulgate when I was in school, thats all.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:04 pmYes, Mighty Afraudite, I am sure the readers here can tell the difference between myself and you. You talk a great deal about how you are a Defense Attorney in a successful private practice in the State of California. Yet you cannot even cite basic civil rights every criminal defense attorney should know by rote.
I know this because I can look at the date/time stamps on the postings here; a skill which seems to be beyond your comprehension.
I don't toss my runes. I draw them sight unseen out of a pouch. The accuracy of that method has been uncanny, but then, they were dedicated on the winter solstice in the ancient ways.
True. And Defense Attorneys can articulate those rights: another skill that seems to be beyond your grasp.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:19 pmSome of us have been a bit off topic. So to get back on it totally, Mighty Cut-and-Run Troll claims to respect the military and that "Defense attorneys guard the rights of all the people," yet he/she slimes even highly decorated generals who don't agree with Bushevik policy (created, by the way, mostly by chickenhawks with no battlefield experience) and certainly does not recognize their Constitutional rights to free speech. A Mighty Hypocrite, indeed!
August 28th, 2006 at 8:30 pmWorfeus - I am but a law school graduate, pending the results of the State Bar. However, in law school, we would use the term in pro per instead of the full Latin. I wonder which episodes of L.A. Law Mighty Afraudite draws upon for her vast knowledge of the legal profession....
Quite frankly, I am tired of her passing herself off as a lawyer. That which she spews is not the law, but so much dung. If only it were dung, for then we could fertilize a garden. But alas, tis dung of the mind, the product of ill-temper and irritable bowel served up for our reading discomfort. If it were a rabid dog, we could shoot it, and society would thank us. But being neither rabid, nor dog, we must suffer it to live, and by its life we shall suffer. Yet there is good in this. For by our suffering her discontent, we recognize all the sweeter the beauty of ones called Sharon, Zooey and Lora, who have also posted here of late, and given grace and humor to these pages.
Rant on, Mighty Afraudite! I say, Rant on! For thy ill temper and fecund posts do provide us with and endless source of humor at thy expense! But for me, I will pity thee. For even a rat does not deserve a life swimming in the sewers.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:40 pmWorfeus - I am but a law school graduate, pending the results of the State Bar. However, in law school, we would use the term in pro per instead of the full Latin.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — August 28, 2006 @ 8:40 pm
Oh I knew she was correct about the short version. I am not in the legal profession so like I said my only knowledge of Latin comes from the Vulgate. The Vulgate was written in the formal Latin so thats how I remember it.
Thats cool your a law school graduate. Good luck on the Bar. As for MA, she may be an attorney I don't know, but if she is she musn't be a very good one.
She loses almost every debate she has in here.
August 28th, 2006 at 9:02 pmMA is an attorney the way Hitler is a painter, and both will be willing to kill you to prove it.
August 28th, 2006 at 9:45 pmComment by Diane — August 28, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Diane, what goes around comes around. If you support torture in any circumstance, you support the torture of you own son and any of our servicemen and women. You have told the Iraqis that our troops cannot fire first, making it easier for them to ambush and capture our young men and women. And now they can say, "See, here is the mother of an American serviceman. She supports torture. If the mother of an American soldier supports torture of our people, then why should we not return the favor?"
If you are the mother of a serviceman, your lack of understanding is beyond pale. Please, please stay off public forums, for your son's sake, if for no one else's!
August 28th, 2006 at 10:13 pmWhy does anyone really think that Ronald Dumsfeld should or would be fired? That takes into account the assumption that Bush got something other than what he or uncle Dick were expecting things that normal people would expect from the funnyman in the pentagon.
The fact is everything is going exactly according to plan. Iraq decimated, on the brink or already in Civil war. Anyone remember divide and conquer before? Conquer the "oil" that is? A country which had nothing to do with terrorism has been wiped off the map. It is our 51st State and is the greatest reason why we are there for good many decades to come. How else otherwise are the chickenhawks going to keep talking terrorism nonsense into this nation's psyche and continue to scare the Rush Bimbo crowds?
As long as the turm oil continues they'll have enough excuses to continue to decimate the US constitution.
Palllllleeeeezzzz General.... Don't you know that they've already succeeded in their sick and perverted plans? The Supreme Court has become ultra right wing for decades to come...!
Who says The Neocons and preznit Dick are not successful? Think again.
August 29th, 2006 at 12:04 amRemember Jessica Lynch? The women they said was captured after a fierce fire fight, where she killed several Iraqi soldiers before running out of ammo and being taken prisoner? The one who they said was beaten and even raped by the Iraqi's? Remember her?
Then later we found out her gun jammed and she was injured and just lying on the ground. We found that out from HER. Not our government.
Well the Iraqi's didn't do ANY of that stuff to her. In fact, they gave her specialists who she credits with not only saving her life but limbs too. She got a special bed and one of the only 2 nurses on the floor personally assigned. She said they even SANG to her to make her feel at home.
Now I ask you. Does anyone doubt the Iraqi's treatment of her would be much less hospitable if they knew that we were going to torture, beat and even rape their people who WE take prisoner on the battlefield?
Use your head Diane.
You torture them. Then they'll torture you. Thats why Jesus told you that whole do unto others thingy.
You ain't been skippin Sunday School now have you?
August 29th, 2006 at 12:07 amI don’t have to prove a thing to YOU…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 29, 2006 @ 1:46 am
Translation?
I CAN'T prove a thing to you.
August 29th, 2006 at 2:38 amDoodles...
August 29th, 2006 at 2:39 amAfraudite, I did pull a rune out of the bag. It said,
I do feel sorry for you.
August 29th, 2006 at 9:09 amAny independent reader will easily be able to tell you Mighty Aphrodite is a fake and a troll at that. Notice the many points which (s)he completey ignores, the posts pointing out the errors also get ignored. Then inevitably the only responses are to insult. Typical uninformed troll patterns.
August 29th, 2006 at 10:08 amWhat a shame this debate in here is a perfect example of why neither side will win as a whole.America lacks compromise. If one side doesn't agree the other personally bashes their opponent .It's what lost the Democrats the pesidential elections. Education is the key to changing peoples mind.Anger breeds anger not education. I don't recall it mattering what walk of life people come from. Lawyers get rich defending criminals and profit off of others misfoutunes.Wake up America and educate the misinformed.
August 29th, 2006 at 11:33 amThis is more like a place for cyber bullies. A waste of space!
August 29th, 2006 at 11:34 amHow can any of you consider yourselves a winner???? Is an oracle win what it takes? Or is the fact that not one single person who has posted have changed their views.If you are not able to change minds in here quit wasting space because others will see you the same way and youve done nothing to help the problem. "If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem"
August 29th, 2006 at 12:29 pmIt’s what lost the Democrats the pesidential elections.
Comment by neither here nor there — August 29, 2006 @ 11:33 am
No loser. YOU'RE what lost the Democrats the pResidential elections.
Your "waahhaaaha waahhha everyone play nice crybaby wanna be bullshit is what cost us the elections.
Schmuck.
August 29th, 2006 at 1:48 pmFunny.
Worthless bellycrawling worms like you always seem to crawl in after days of valid debate, and CLAIMING to be a democrat or liberal, you trash your own side and try and negate the debate, whining about getting along.
You're worse than a republican.
Why don't you join their side? Your worthless carcass does us absolutely no good at all.
August 29th, 2006 at 1:51 pmWorthless bellycrawling worms like you WORFEUS ur worthless carcass does us absolutely no good at all. As you can see by the bashing. Democrats wasted their time saying why Bush is a piece of crap and not saying what they stand for. Break the cycle. I pressume you call others names when you feel guilty. break the cycle
August 29th, 2006 at 5:36 pmI'm curious? Now, don't jump down my throat, because I'm not trying to be rude...I'm just trying to understand. Do you guys not care about the terrorists? What I mean is, do you not believe that there is a terrorist threat? If you do believe it, what is your strategy for winning the war on terror. I don't mean getting out of Iraq, I mean winning. And if you don't believe it, what do youy believe instead? That the government made it all up? That Bush staged 9/11? Like I said, I'm just curious.
Again, don't jump down my throat because I'm not a republican. I'm new to politics and looking for some understanding about where people stand. Can anyone help me?
August 29th, 2006 at 5:48 pmWhats our plan?
Simple.
First, STOP MAKING NEW TERRORISTS.
Here. Let me repeat it in case you're as slow as I think.
STOP MAKING NEW TERRORISTS!
When Bin Laden sends 19 guys to attack us, try uh, gee, I don't know, how about GOING AFTER BIN LADEN?
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It boggles the mind.
August 29th, 2006 at 6:03 pmQuestions we should know the answers to we shouldn't need to ask.
August 29th, 2006 at 6:03 pmThat's a great question.I wonder about that. I'm new my to this but my brother is getting ready to go to Iraq next week. I sorta have a new look at things. My spelling isn't great but i do try.This is the first time im glad i have a history class lol
August 29th, 2006 at 6:07 pmwell never mind i dont like rude people
August 29th, 2006 at 6:08 pmStop making new terrorists? Go after bin Laden? You don't need to ask questions that you should know the answers to?
Seriously? That's it?
I'm a voter, you know? Shouldn't you guys be trying to woo me to your side. I made it clear that I was searching for facts concerning one side or the other and all you can do is insult me? Well, I guess you've answered my question. You guys obviously aren't taking this whole thing seriously. I'll look for answers elsewhere.
Thanks.
August 29th, 2006 at 6:16 pmBravo WORFEUS way to represent the Democrats!!! I give mighty aphrodite a kudo she could be dogging you after you just made a fool of yourself today in your post. Where's your supporters now? I think they have good messages and agree with the posters today. A bully never proves any point other than he is in fact a bully. A good question is asked and the posts stop.
August 29th, 2006 at 10:16 pmI hope you are not the one who said they were a teacher WORFEUS I would hate to think you were my childs teacher.
August 29th, 2006 at 10:19 pmShouldn’t you guys be trying to woo me to your side.
Comment by Mike — August 29, 2006 @ 6:16 pm
Who's "you guys"?
I'm a voter just like you pal, nothing more. I am not associated with any party, and when this lunatics out of office and someone with half a brains in I'm going to get drunk, screw women and make money. Not necessarily in that order.
If you need someone to "coax" you into seeing what a rube the country is goosestepping behind as we kill tens of thousands of people then maybe you just don't want to see.
You should try the Mormons. They'll cater to your need to be persuaded.
August 29th, 2006 at 11:11 pmBravo WORFEUS way to represent the Democrats!!!
Comment by michael moore — August 29, 2006 @ 10:16 pm
Once again pinhead, I don't "represent the Democrats".
I don't "represent" anyone.
I represent myself.
Don't like me? Great. Don't read my posts Einstein. No ones twisting you arm.
August 29th, 2006 at 11:13 pmI’ll look for answers elsewhere.
Comment by Mike — August 29, 2006 @ 6:16 pm
Thank God.
August 29th, 2006 at 11:15 pmAnd one more time for the pinhead who doesn't seem to get it.
Stop making new terrorists stupid.
Here.
Let me say it again.
STOP MAKING NEW TERRORISTS STUPID.
When you can grasp one simple coherent concept, I'll feed you some more.
August 29th, 2006 at 11:17 pmCan anyone help me?
Comment by Mike — August 29, 2006 @ 5:48 pm
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I'm gonna say no.
August 29th, 2006 at 11:18 pmI care about the terrorists, as a matter of fact I'm sure I've killed more "terrorists" than you "MIKE". If that's what you call people who are fighting to chase occupiers from their country. We dont like to admit it but that is who is planting the IEDs and shooting Americans in Iraq. An insurgency equivalent to the insurgency that was inspired by my namesake in the latter parts of the 18th century on a large British colony that wanted its occupiers to leave so the rich white men could get wealthier without being burdened by taxes. Lets not romanticize the Revolutionary War either. Or its different because that insurgency was manned by white people who were mostly Christians and Deists and therefore their actions are inherently noble? Whereas with brown people, Muslims, and/or Heretics their actions are inherently evil. There were no terrorists in Iraq before we got here. I dont care what FOX News says. Husseins megalomania would not have allowed for it. And on top of that SH and OBL despised each other. Have you ever seen two megalomaniacs try and conspire? It just wouldnt work.
And I do believe the US Government, the Administration, or whatever you want to call it was at the very least complicit in allowing the attacks to happen. If not more.
Iraq has become the NEW TRAINING GROUND for terrorists. The few foreign fighters who are here, come to learn Urban Combat in live fire scenarios. Those who live go back and tell their friends what they've learned, how to defeat the Americans. Anyone ever heard of RECONDO in VietNam? A school where your final test was an acutal recon behind enemy lines. If you survived you earned the RECONDO badge if you didnt well you didnt get the badge. Iraq is the insurgent/terrorist RECONDO school. A school that didn't exist before, and according to the President has no reason to exist now since he has admitted that every reason given for going into this shithole was WRONG.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:20 amIn years to come, you are simply going to thank This administration for its effort to brake down the "Islamic fasicm" as it is a threat to humanity all over this globe and not only US interests,so give your leaders time for pay more time or leave US to Canada the country of chicken shits.
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August 30th, 2006 at 11:59 amIn years to come, you are simply going to thank This administration for its effort to brake down the “Islamic fasicm†as it is a threat to humanity all over this globe and not only US interests,so give your leaders time for pay more time or leave US to Canada the country of chicken shits.
Comment by Aly Zakery — August 30, 2006 @ 3:27 am
You know Aly. a young man who is CURRENTLY serving in Iraq and who is FIGHTING this war just got threw explaining to you whats rREALLY GOING ON.
Yet you just come in like a fool, and post your right wing talking points and calling us, and HIM, chickenshits.
You just called a young man serving in Iraq a chickenshit cause he doesn't agree with you or your divine leader.
How does that make you feel?
August 30th, 2006 at 2:51 pmAly Zakerys comment about being thank-ful 1 day would have to depend on what side of the world you are on. It,s time to move on What do we gain by staying in a volitle country that doesn't want or appreciate us?We have laready made our point to the “Islamic fasicm†movement. Why doesn't our leaders get us out. In my opinion Bush has oils wells so the high prices have been favourable for him as well as Haliburton has made money for Cheney.How in the%$#$^ did they get an exclusive contract ( and produced shody equipment given to our military whoose a$$ is on the front)?? I think it was Bushs bfriend that was head of fema How did that happen? Everyone Bush gets in no time later and they are found to be fraudulent. Is Bush trying to keep his friends in key spots so he can have a hand in the goverment when he goes?If Bushs daughters even 1 was in perhaps i might have more faith in his decision to be there. All the money the prez n vprez make off of it (the war)must be hard to give up.If I could ask him 1 thing Id ask if he has a hard time sleeping at night when his pockets flow like a river with red blood money!
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