Fox News Host On Sexist Forbes Article: ‘Do You Know Where This Comes From? Women.’
Fox News Host On Sexist Forbes Article: ‘Do You Know Where This Comes From? Women.’
Forbes recently published an article by Executive Editor Michael Noer that stated men shouldn’t marry women with careers because such women “are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat, less likely to have children, and, if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it.”
Today on Fox News, host Michael Jerrick brought up the story, but instead of criticizing Noer, blamed women. Jerrick stated that the problem “starts with women” and men just “want to keep you happy.” When co-host Juliet Huddy called Jerrick’s statements “ridiculous,” he replied, “Oh, she’s mad.” Watch it:
Full transcript below:
JERRICK: Well, he took it from a study, this group called Social Forces, it’s a research journal. And so he took this study from them. And said — oh, by the way, hey Toby, do you have that song? Remember that song, by Jimmy Soul?
(Music)
HUDDY: Oh, that’s charming. This is what he writes. “Guys: A word of advice. Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don’t marry a woman with a career.” Because basically he says, look –
CROWD: Boooo.
HUDDY: I know, right! He says your typical career girl is well-educated, ambitious, informed and engaged. Good things, yes. At least, he says, until you get married. Then to put it bluntly, he says, the more successful she is, the more likely she is to grow dissatisfied with you. A bunch of bull.
JERRICK: But do you know where this comes from? Women. He took it from this study out of this research journal. And do you know what that study said? Women, no matter what they say, deep down inside and how much money they have and how great a job they have, they are happier if the husband is the main bread winner. It starts with women. They’re happier —
HUDDY: Are they going to start blaming us for this?
JERRICK: They’re happier.
HUDDY: That’s ridiculous.
JERRICK: We want to keep you happy.
HUDDY: Well — I don’t know what else to say about that except–
JERRICK: Oh, she’s mad.
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Forbes magazine is just another right wing rag/mouthpeice. My father in law bought me a subscription to Forbes thinking I would learn more about finances. I learned it is a rightwing publication.
August 25th, 2006 at 2:33 pmOne would think that Huddy - based on all the intellectual brilliance she has displayed in the past - would agree with Jerrick. I'm glad to she that she finally broke out with a rational opinion. That should be the lead of this post (anyone who ever reads Newshounds.us or watches Fox's Dayside would understand what I mean).
August 25th, 2006 at 2:39 pmMichael Jerrick: another ignoramus employed by FOX.
August 25th, 2006 at 2:41 pmROFL. I would guess, though, that if you are a wingnut male, maybe all you have to offer is money so without it your wife might be unhappy.
August 25th, 2006 at 2:50 pmBoors!
What a surprise - NOT!
August 25th, 2006 at 2:53 pmThink Progress has run out of things to fix in the world. We are down to worrying about "happy talk." Time to declare victory and go home.
August 25th, 2006 at 2:57 pmOnly in Fox News does crap flows freely.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:00 pmI thought Jerrick was gay.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:01 pmIt disturbs me how racism, sexism and homophobia are all surfacing from the right wing. They present it as matter-of-fact, as if the last 50 years never happened. If the American public doesn't push back we will find ourselves living lives much like the Afghans under the Taliban.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:06 pmJerrick is actually correct; this came from a woman. Because man was born from woman, etcetera, etcetera, chickenoregg, etcetera......
August 25th, 2006 at 3:07 pmWhat a dumb thing to discuss. Yet here I am. I sure love those college girls Cletus.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:08 pmCorporate media sure makes it seem that the Afghanistan & Iraqi wars are won and over. Pre-empted until after the elections.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:15 pmAs Cal Thomas said recently, just a couple of "big lipped blondes" on that show. Har har.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:16 pm[...] UPDATE: Fox News similarly full of misogyny; Salon levels the most damning accusation of them all: Noer probably uses Bryl-Cream. [...]
August 25th, 2006 at 3:16 pm#9 Lynne,
August 25th, 2006 at 3:25 pmIMHO this is another example of the backward direction in which we are headed. Not all conservatives are sexist, racist, homophobic, and narrow minded, but all the people I have known who fall into those categories are conservative.
It seems like they feel emboldened to let down their guard, to say what they really feel, because the country is led by people who, for the most part, believe as they do so the environment is more sympathetic. Men who have squelched any neanderthal tendencies, find a society becoming more comfortable with those beliefs, and they are less inclined to refrain boorish comments.
Women's reproductive issues have traditionally been in the purview of men to influence, if not control. Women in the workplace have been resented by some chauvinists for decades, but only recently do the men feel free to speak their minds again. It's like they need to have their egos stoked by keeping women and minorities down, lest there be a comparison made and they come up short.
It appears that some American men have problems. And those, so-called men seem to be attached to the Rightwing point of view. But when you think about it, that is the way Rightwing women appear to like it. Now who would be married to a tom delay or a george bush or a pat robinson, and you could go on and on. Fact is women who have careers "think" and are more likely to be Independents or Democrats.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:37 pmMichael is simply a rightwing asshole.
14 characteristics of FASCISM
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:42 pm2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/ scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/ avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. A controlled mass media.7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.
I am sick and tired of listening to this BS. If women and the minorities want to be treaded equal quit running to Uncle Sam if you get laid off. It just may be that you are not doing your job. I have worked for a lot of different Companies. And in almost every on I hear that there is a coalition for just about every minority that works with the new hires to instruct them on how to do the least possible work to get by.
And if a layoff is going to happen just look who makes up the greatest number of those laid off. This is just because the company does not want to get a law suite filed against them for discrimination. So if you all want to be treated equal take up your share of the work load.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:44 pmMaria - That does count too. It is a sad state of affairs when people can not treat other with equal consideration.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:53 pmForbes recently published an article by Executive Editor Michael Noer that stated men shouldn’t marry women with careers because such women “are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat, less likely to have children, and, if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it.â€
August 25th, 2006 at 3:54 pm==
Then how the hell does one account for the Jerry Springer Show??
I don't know if it's true that the results were gathered from women's responses but, if it's true, then the women feeling that way answered like they did because they are probably married to shallow, insecure, loser men and didn't realize it until it was too late.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:56 pmMaria - I just reread what I said and do not think I stated it quit right. if any one is being harrast that they do have the right to file a claim and take that person to court and/or the police to get due justice. I would never put up with mistreating any one do to their race, sex or religous beliefs. Those that do should be taken top jail.
August 25th, 2006 at 3:59 pmTHINK about it people - women were demonized the moment Eve took a bite out of that apple of knowledge.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:07 pmThis morning I happened to hear a short feature about female composers and musicians who lived when typically the only choice for women was to get married and have children. It hit me that we have missed so much throughout history. What if women's talents had been noticed and nurtured over the ages, how far might we be ahead musically, mathematically, scientifically, etc. etc., etc. Let's not go back.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:07 pmIt has been a PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY for FAR TOO LONG, and look at where it has gotten us! Does anybody get it now?
August 25th, 2006 at 4:17 pmComment by Sorghum Crow — August 25, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
Sadly, throughout humanity's "civilized" existence, women have been and still are viewed as "lesser" creatures to men. They continue to be seen as property, rather than human beings with the same rights that men have. This is why it has been so difficult to permanently secure a woman's legal right to make her own reproductive choices with her own body - because men see that body as their property to control. Who knows where this all started? I understand that in ancient Rome, a man had the legal right to kill anyone in his family, for whatever reason he chose. Unfortunately, I'm sure there are authoritarian types (who mostly support Republicans) who wouldn't mind seeing those days come back. Maybe it pre-dates even that civilization. No matter what, it must come to an end now. There is no rational argument to designate any group of people (of any type, be it by gender, race, religion) as something "less than" a human being. Once you start doing that, the inhumane things you can find yourself doing to them will astound you.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:17 pmWell, of course women who depend on their husbands won't be cheating on them, divorcing them & such... They don't have that much choice.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:23 pmGuys let themselves go much more than women... I mean look at any ads now days... ugly guys always have pretty girls at their sides.
So, women who know their worth & have the ability to make a choice, should she do all the work in the house & bring in the bacon, or should she be w/ someone that respects her & shares housework (for example)... will in fact leave more often than a woman who is "tied" to a man. It's just amazing how different people view the same results in different ways... Interesting!
Didn't the make a movie like this starring Will Farrell?
August 25th, 2006 at 4:24 pmTo all (and especially the ladies here):
I cannot speak for anyone but myself and my wife.
I can tell you that I spend a good portion of my life trying to make my wife happy.
Knowing what I know about how hard it is to please a lady, it is my own opinion that that Jerrick dude is stressed out (as I am) from working hard to make his wife.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:32 pmMarie...#19...Not all conservatives are sexist, racist, homophobic, and narrow minded, but all the people I have known who fall into those categories are conservative.....I find that hard to believe...you can HONESTLY say not a single "lefty" you have known has been sexist, racist, homophobic, and/or narrow minded?.............where’s utopia Maria? where do you live? this sounds so nice.....but not true.......maybe it is true in your protected lefty bubble----but not in the real world....I do appreciate your honesty of "Not all conservatives are sexist, racist........"
Women’s reproductive issues have traditionally been in the purview of men to influence, if not control....I agree with you on that one....but as with most wrongs in history it is being corrected (maybe not as fast as we would like---but there has certainly been a move in the correct direction)....hasn’t there been?
It’s like they need to have their egos stoked by keeping women and minorities down......to counter your remark about ALL sexist, racist, homophobic, and/or narrow minded people full under the conservative tag-I can HONESTLY say that most (notice not ALL) career women I know-----sacrifice the family-----I am not judging----just making a general statement like you did......if you believe there is a conscious agenda to keep women and minorities down ---I can say that I have never received the memo from my conservative connections/sites/mailings/etc....it is not a item on the conservative to-do list.....it might be there in BOTH parties but not as an actual political, economic, or social device that is consciously monitored....I think we need to separate social problems from "this" political party or "that" political party....
Lynn..#9...If the American public doesn’t push back we will find ourselves living lives much like the Afghans under the Taliban. ...and where do you live? is it that bad where you are...women are treated that poorly where you are? can you please explain further.....maybe it is I that live in a bubble...
crazy-madashell #21...you love that cut and paste post, huh?...yeah, I guess after reading your list you got me on all counts...I am a fascist....paaalllleeeeeeassseeee....enough with your conservatism=fascism....did you ever cite where you got those 14 points from anyway...I and others were interested......however, I must admit I do enjoy your rants and raves....particularly...from another post...a cluster of cells a human life????? As a woman, I would have to say FY! That so called life is not a life UNTIL IT IS VIABLE, i.e., breathing on its own OUTSIDE THE WOMB. You know, the ones who are the victims of WAR….....I love the anger…but have you ever seen an ultrasound? even at just a few weeks?....you might reconsider the cluster of cells statement....and that approach of "I am woman hear me roar" is a bit played out on your part...(as I have read a numerous amount of times on this site from YOU)...also, it is like so 70's.......try something else.....something better than adam and eve.....
theswan #20...Fact is women who have careers “think†and are more likely to be Independents or Democrats. Michael is simply a rightwing asshole...nice point---but couldn't it be that lefty women don’t prioritize family values? couldn't it be that lefty women are too insecure to have to "rely" upon a man to support them? couldn’t it be that lefty women just enjoy independence?.....chicken or the egg, swany?..
August 25th, 2006 at 4:33 pmI love Bush (not the George).
August 25th, 2006 at 4:35 pmFOX just aught to go ahead and change its name to CAVEMAN news...
It's an actual fact that mariarchal societies don't have war... have better health and virtually no crime, jealousy, or murder. Patriarchal societies have porn, pedophile priests, high crime and lots of war. Yeah, blame women for that... It doesn't make it true.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:35 pmBut, Jesus said that women should be at home, barefoot and pregnant.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:37 pmWhere is there a matriarcical society? Unbeleivable?
August 25th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWomen should be at the office, making the big bucks, and taking care of my lazy ass while I am at home taking a nap. I will service whatever needs she may have.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:40 pmcouldn’t it be that lefty women don’t prioritize family values?
Hate and discrimination are not family values. If anyone needs a lesson on Family Values, it is the religious right. I mean the Bible does encourage incest and killing children. Hardly the kind of 'values' we should be embracing...
couldn’t it be that lefty women are too insecure to have to “rely†upon a man to support them?
What? That makes zero sense. Not that sense ever gets in teh way of you neocons. Insecure people actually are needy... Learn a bit of psychology.
couldn’t it be that lefty women just enjoy independence
Comment by *NEOCON* — August 25, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
ALL women enjoy independence to some degree. I mean you righties are always claiming that freedom and independence are god-given rights of birth for all people all over the world. Or do you only mean it when you wanna send other people's kids off to war to amuse yourselves?
Can't have it both ways.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:41 pmNice post Unbeleivable #52. You articulated that well.
"Too insecure to depend on a man"
August 25th, 2006 at 4:43 pmThat makes absolutely no sense, what a moron.
maria #49...NEOCON is not where you live ,but who you live with that makes the difference....I agree and understand what you are saying....and in that case one needs to get out of that environment anyway possible....is this maria #1 or maria #2?????
August 25th, 2006 at 4:45 pmMaybe its just me, but I have always been more attracted to women of independence, intellegence, and strength. I just don't get excited about the wallflowers.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:45 pmWhere is there a matriarcical society? Unbeleivable?
Comment by For Truth — August 25, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
At present? Or at any point?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy
August 25th, 2006 at 4:46 pmThanks Unbelievable.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:47 pm"I am a fascist" - NeoCON AKA PIG
August 25th, 2006 at 4:48 pmLooks like Sumatra may be a current Matriarcical society.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:49 pmNice post Unbeleivable #52. You articulated that well.
Thanks... Just speaking from the vantage point of an educated and independent woman who is tired of people blaming us for social decay when the reality of it is that societies that value women and treat us as equals are actually more stable, secure and family oriented... The exact opposite of what these cowardly rightwing godd ol' biys claim.
“Too insecure to depend on a manâ€
That makes absolutely no sense, what a moron.
Comment by For Truth — August 25, 2006 @ 4:43 pm
Moron is a compliment for any man who would think a woman should judge herself worth in terms of her marital status. Until marriage becomes a partnership, then women will not have to tolerate bad husbands. Period.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:52 pmWayne
you said
you are absolutely correct , but you are a hipocrit.
to its an outrage to you that a woman should choose to be a mother, to stay home and care for her kids rather than be a corporate zombie. but abortion on demand is ok.
you say that its wrong to make certain groups out to be less than human , but at the same time you maintaine that the human being growing inside the mother is less than human and that it is morally ok to terminate the life of.
you talking about morals and values and about inhumane treatment of others, is an absolute farse. you rage against a traditional family while promoting infanticde.
you said that
you could not be further from the truth. the fact is we view abortion as the killing of an innocent human being. and murder is wrong.
it has absolutely nothing to do with controling a womans body, or forcing her to be pregnant, it has to do with protecting the life of an unborn child.
so please stop making it out to be a sexism issue, because sexism has nothing to do with it. its a human rights issue, that as you so elequently pointed out leads to very inhumane behavior, ... like the killing of innocent humans, either in rome , or in modern day america.
Wayne.... look at your reasoning. its illogical , stop operating on emotions.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:53 pmBTW - neoCON - have you ever been PREGNANT? Then STFU.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:54 pmit has absolutely nothing to do with controling a womans body, or forcing her to be pregnant, it has to do with protecting the life of an unborn child.
Comment by chester — August 25, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
It's not a child until it is born. Even your holier-than-thou Bible says that life begins at BREATH.
Until it is born, they call it a zygote, embryo and fetus for a reason. Because it's not a child.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:55 pmunbelievable ...#52..I was attempting to make the point that "progressives" see only what is "good" on the left and what is "bad" on the right....I am not a member of the religious right....if anything I would probably be with you guys concerning religion-----but-----I do recognize the importance of religion....
ALL women enjoy independence to some degree. I mean you righties are always claiming that freedom and independence are god-given rights of birth for all people all over the world. Or do you only mean it when you wanna send other people’s kids off to war to amuse yourselves?....freedom and independence are rights of/at birth.....again--trying to make a point.....is the career woman only a leftist? or might she possibly be a conservative?.....war? I dont have the time to get into that one....but no---it is not for my amusement to read about the (daily) deaths.....it is for my and your safety that we have a military that is used for the "common defense"......
psychology? slept through all my courses...sorry.....but point was----if you rely upon someone it might be seen as a weakness...thats all.....nothing more nothing less.....some (notice I state some) could/would see it as a weakness so they go out and become "career women".....
August 25th, 2006 at 4:57 pmIf a pregnant woman cannot drive in the carpool lane on the freeway, it aint another person until it comes out. Hows that.
August 25th, 2006 at 4:57 pmMaria#60..lawyer? no I do not care for lawyers...even some in my own family.....maria #1 or maria #2???
August 25th, 2006 at 5:00 pmunbelievable
"Until it is born, they call it a zygote, embryo and fetus for a reason. Because it’s not a child."
i never said it was a child.
what you are pointing out is that humans, you know... human beings, go throught stages of development.
you left out , infant, todler, childhood, adolescence, adulthood, and geriatrics.
its still a human being, no matter the stage of development, like kind produces like kind, the being growing inside the mother is human in nature and should be protected.
there is no human life that is unworthy of life....uless of course your a jew in nazi germany or an unborn foetus in america apparently.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:01 pmwould love to chat more ladies!!! but I have to get dinner ready for my wife!!! see ya.......
and #68....weak...very weak....funny, but weak.......
August 25th, 2006 at 5:03 pmWhat should the woman do at that point? Or the man?
Comment by uncontrolled demolition — August 25, 2006 @ 4:56 pm
That's up to them. It is their marriage.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:03 pmSee, this is what happens when you turn to Fox News for intelligent conversation. sigh...
It's FRIDAY!!! Let's all relax and unwind with a beer and America's Least Wanted!
August 25th, 2006 at 5:09 pmI was attempting to make the point that “progressives†see only what is “good†on the left and what is “bad†on the right….I am not a member of the religious right….if anything I would probably be with you guys concerning religion—–but—–I do recognize the importance of religion….
You are trying to paint us all with one brush. That's not only unfair, but untrue.
Religions is a large cause for much of the death and destruction in recent human history. Most wars are sectarian. Anti-(fill in the blank) are religius exclusions that lead to hate. Religion separates people and teaches them to judge. As in the people who started this study...
psychology? slept through all my courses…sorry…..
I noticed. However, I didn't, and I was pointing out that you should know something about that which you point out as a fact. Don't you think?
but point was—-if you rely upon someone it might be seen as a weakness…thats all…..nothing more nothing less…..some (notice I state some) could/would see it as a weakness so they go out and become “career womenâ€â€¦..
Comment by *NEOCON* — August 25, 2006 @ 4:57 pm
In a Patriarchal society, women are seen as weak for NOT being married with kids (i.e. "what's wrong with you?" "Why hasn't some man snatched you up?" "How can you not be married?", etc.. Therefore, it is not possible in our culture for an insecure woman to be independent.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:09 pmAll that knowledge and all you can come up with is this? Unbelieveble no copy and paste on this issue for you?
Comment by uncontrolled demolition — August 25, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
The fact that you don't get it doesn't make it any less wise... or true.
Nope. I don't copy and paste unless it's quotes or breaking news.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:12 pmFox should change its name to TRex, it's run by dinosaurs.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:12 pmTo the childish troll posting under multiple pseudonames-
Get a hobby. Trying to attack smart people might make you feel better about your feelings of inadequacy, but it annoys everyone else. Really.
Go check out some non-fiction books at the library and perhaps you'll improve yourself a bit.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:17 pmOh, Santo, it's just you...
Later...
August 25th, 2006 at 5:24 pmI see the girls from C.unt U.nderstand N.ormal T.hinking are at it again. feminsim is a hate crime
August 25th, 2006 at 5:24 pmunbelievable #76....ok...veggies and potatos on.....quick response than back to dinner....the broad brush is something that most here do quite often....I do try not to do so....sorry....and yes....religious wars have caused millions of deaths....but, can we agree that relgion does give a sense of order in society? religion gives a sense of right and wrong? it also explains death.....I am not a right wing religious wacko---but you have me defending religion---so I hope that adresses your first point...
Insecure people actually are needy...yes....some women that are insecure may feel the need to become "career women" and omit the family "thing"....I hope I am not painting again...
Patriarchal society? yes...but this is not the 1700/1800's in america...it is 2006 and women are in more positions of power than they have ever been....lets keep that going in the right direction.....now---back to dinner for my wife......enjoy your evening ladies..
August 25th, 2006 at 5:27 pmExcuse me, but the phrase "unborn life" is an OXYMORON!
August 25th, 2006 at 5:28 pmNo use "debating" with these neanderthal pukes. I'm out of here.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:30 pmthe broad brush is something that most here do quite often….I do try not to do so….sorry….
Well, we try to differentiate between conservatives and neocons. There IS a difference. And since most neocons follow the pre-defined "anti" aspects of Christian dogma, it's easy to know what they think. Liberals, however, by nature tend to be self defined, making it much harder to catagorize us in the same vein.
and yes….religious wars have caused millions of deaths….but, can we agree that relgion does give a sense of order in society? religion gives a sense of right and wrong? it also explains death…..I am not a right wing religious wacko—but you have me defending religion—so I hope that adresses your first point…
No, we cannot agree to that. 15% of Americans are non-religious, yet less than 1% of the people in prisons are non-religious. Religion not only does not have a monopoly on morality, but it clearly has a lower rate of it.
Science explains death pretty well also, but people don't like to know they aren't eternal so they tend to convince themselves of a lot of nonsense to ease the fear of "The End". Then it causes them to do a whole lot of other irrationsl stuff as a result.
Personally, I think we'd be better off without religion. Look at the animals. They don't go around on murdeous rampages or stealing things. And they have no religion to give them that sense of morality that you claim religion instills.
Insecure people actually are needy…yes….some women that are insecure may feel the need to become “career women†and omit the family “thingâ€â€¦.I hope I am not painting again…
No, it isn't logical that 'needy' and 'independent' are equally possible. They are antonyms. Insecure women go get nmarried and have babies, because in our culture that is what is applauded. You did notice that it's career women who are getting accused of the degradation of society here, right? And you do see how that conflicts with your assertion as well, right?
Patriarchal society? yes…but this is not the 1700/1800’s in america…
I'm not so sure some days...
it is 2006 and women are in more positions of power than they have ever been….
But significantly less so compared to other Industrialized - and some non-industrial countries. India has had a female leader, but we have not yet. Hardly anything to crow about...
lets keep that going in the right direction…..now—back to dinner for my wife……enjoy your evening ladies..
Comment by *NEOCON* — August 25, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
As a man you really don;t understand how women are treated in our culture. You can have a theory about it, but in reality, you are simply speculating. So take it from a woman with a career and a functioning brain, people criticize my lack of offspring far more thanthey commend my achievements. Stick around, you'll see a few follow my post... (and therefore validate it).
August 25th, 2006 at 5:41 pm#96 I am cooking dinner!!!! sorry catch you tomorrow.....
August 25th, 2006 at 5:50 pmThank you chester for your comments.
I do not believe that I am a hypocrite; I just believe that I start out with a different set of assumptions than you.
You wrote:
to its an outrage to you that a woman should choose to be a mother, to stay home and care for her kids rather than be a corporate zombie. but abortion on demand is ok.
I never said either of those things, so please do not put words in my mouth. In fact, I strongly support a woman's right to choose "to be a mother, to stay home and care for her kids rather than be a corporate zombie", provided that it is HER choice to do that. Also, I never said I support "abortion on demand". And I wish anti-abortionists would not characterize our views this way. I support Row v. Wade, and that means even to the point of allowing the state to regulate third trimester abortions. I do not support any woman who just decides a few days before her baby is born to end the pregnancy, unless there are medical reasons why having the baby might kill her. But I strongly support a woman's right to end a first trimester abortion. I do not believe she should be forced to carry that baby to term, especially if she was impregnated through rape or incest. Do you believe she should be forced against her will to carry a pregnancy to term that was the result of rape or incest? I hope not.
You also wrote:
you talking about morals and values and about inhumane treatment of others, is an absolute farse. you rage against a traditional family while promoting infanticde
I have nothing against the "traditional family", but since many people come from "non-traditional families", I think we should give their families equal treatment under the law. I never used the words "morals", "values" or "infanticide", so, again, you're not speaking to what I wrote. My post (I assume you're referencing #36) was about how societies through the ages have often treated women as being less worthy of equal treatment then men. Nothing about morals or values. And having a first trimester abortion is not, in my view and the view of many Americans, "infanticide." (It's an "infant" after it's born.)
You further said:
the fact is we view abortion as the killing of an innocent human being. and murder is wrong.
I believe that this view of yours is founded on religious principles, specifically that "human life" begins at conception, because that's when a person's "soul" is formed. If so, then this cannot be the basis for the law of a secular nation (which this is, BTW; the USA is NOT a "Christian nation.") And you and I might disagree on matters of religion, but if your religion forbids you to be involved with an abortion, then by all means follow your religious dictates (if you must). That doesn't mean the rest of the country has to. Just as I believe that a woman should be able to make the choice to have an abortion herself, she should also be free to choose to have the baby. But in any case, IT SHOULD BE A CHOICE! You can denounce her for choosing the opposite of what you would do, but that's all you could do.
Finally, while I agree that for some people, abortion is strictly a religious issue, I do believe that, for the most part, it is opposed by men who do oppose it on sexism grounds. They fear letting a women have control over their potential offspring, assuming that what's growing inside her doesn't mutate into something other than a human being, and who says it never would? After all, how exactly would you define a "human being" in this sense? Are only Homo sapiens sapiens "human beings"? If you found a Cro-Magnon man living today, would he still be considered a "human being"? Personally I think that would make for a nice intellectual exercise, though likely a moot one.
I wish I could stay all night and debate this, but I am at the office and I must leave until Monday. But I do appreciate the courteous nature of your rebuttal. It's the main reason I elected to respond to you.
Peace and long life, friend.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:58 pmI haven't read all 100 posts and I'm sure someone said this.
No one had better marry that working woman working for Fux News.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:59 pmNo woman working for Fox should be working.
They should be home with kids.
I am cooking dinner!!!!
And? What's that got to do with our discussion? You still don't know what it's like to be an intelligent and independent woman just because you're cooking dinner.
I mean it would be like me telling you that your opinions on being a man doesn't count because a bunch of women did a study and chose to interpret the results to prove that men don't know what men really feel. And that they are to blame for a lot of ridiculous nonsense.
sorry catch you tomorrow…..
Comment by *NEOCON* — August 25, 2006 @ 5:50 pm
While you're cleaning the toilets, changing diapers and grocery shopping I guess?... :)
August 25th, 2006 at 6:01 pmwhat's the big deal? most "career women" "marry down" anyway...
August 25th, 2006 at 6:04 pmStupid typos - I know it's "Roe", not "Row". Stupid "w" next to the stupid "e". Well, stupid "W", anyway.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:04 pmcheck that--did i say "marry down?" i meant, "marry up."
August 25th, 2006 at 6:13 pm‘Do You Know Where YOU COME From? Women.’
August 25th, 2006 at 6:23 pmSo, be more respectful.
Yeah, smart is scary. Booga Booga Booga!!!! If women are smarter then they wouldn't marry a-holes. The whole Bush Adminstration would be unmarried.
August 25th, 2006 at 6:28 pmStupid “w†next to the stupid “eâ€. Well, stupid “Wâ€, anyway.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 25, 2006 @ 6:04 pm
Funny. :)
August 25th, 2006 at 6:30 pmCONSERVATIVES FEAR WOMEN MORE THAN THEY FEAR POVERTY......YOU GO GIRLS!!!! THE MORNING AFTER PILL WILL SET YOU FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MOST MEN ARE NOTHING MORE THAN BREEDING STUDS AND MULES........IF YOU DON'T NEED THEM..PUT 'EM OUT TO PASTURE OR TURN 'EM INTO GLUE................IF I HAD A WOMAN WHO WAS WITH ME BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO BE MORE THAN HAD TO BE, I WOULD WORSHIP HER FOREVER! REMEMBER HOW JEALOUS THE REPUBLICANS WERE WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS HAVING GREAT SEX? BET THEY BATH WITH THEIR UNDERWEAR ON!!!
August 25th, 2006 at 7:19 pmGee, wonder if there was ANY bias in that study??
I disagree with the comment where someone said something like, no leftist would ever be racist, sexist, etc.. . I do not agree with that, most leftist's I know our guilty of classism just another form of discrimination!!
The Forbes article would probably have been better received if it had been presented as a STUDY, indicating who participated and how the study was run. If it had given equal, objective views of the pros and cons of a choosen lifestlye where man="breadwinner/master†and women=â€servitude and denial of self development†for the good of the family unit.
Instead they printed an article that is dripping in bias, insult and hypocracy since we long ago decided that homekeeper was a profession in itself. It smacks of the age old saying “keep them barefoot and pregnant†so they can’t do anything for themselves, including leaving you for someone who’s ego is not reliant on whether his wife makes more money than he does.
August 25th, 2006 at 7:23 pmMOST MEN ARE NOTHING MORE THAN BREEDING STUDS AND MULES
sperm donors....
August 25th, 2006 at 7:48 pmIt's just that "Independent Women" always cook for their men and love their men and vice versa.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:08 pmRepublican women have to be taken to dinner and always spill the drinks or end up with food all over the blouse.
It always the same after dinner, as well.
Losers. Typical wingnut men for ya. They want their women home having babies and making dinner. It's 2006 dude's ... wakeup! ANY man who demands this is nothing but a wuss, chauvenistic creep. REAL men love their women strong and with a brain.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:19 pmWhat are you smokin Cinderella? I stated my position. What is yours? Afraid to speak?
August 25th, 2006 at 8:39 pmMadashell,....You are so correct and funny.....My vet in Montana told me (I was going through a divorce and also had a crankie appy stud colt) "bad stallions and bad men need to be guilded"...I loved that vet. Got rid of the husband and guilded the colt. .. Both went on to more useful lives.....I would of liked to guild them both, but silly law's got in the way...LOL....Blessings.This is a repeat of a post I made several month's ago...Think I was comparing many in the administration at the time.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:50 pm[...] Oh Bono… you have broken my heart completely man… buying into Forbes Magazine and becoming a tool of the money men (or worse a money man yourself). I’ll tell you this- Roger Waters would never have pulled such a stunt. And I couldn’t help but think of Bono when I heard about Forbes Magazine’s advice to money men to avoid career women like the plague, and again when I saw this jackass on Fox News defending Forbes Magazine. [...]
August 25th, 2006 at 9:21 pmmaybe this is why gay ment and straight women have the most incredible relationships. i am gay, and most of my best friends are ladies, or "cool chicks" as i call them. i want them to be the best they can be and they want the same for me.
now, are these the same hetersexuals that have the lock and key on the sancity of marriage?
cuz..it iz f*cked up
jack e. jett
August 25th, 2006 at 9:25 pmhttp://www.jackejett.com
Here's this post and transcript, regendered (courtesy of regender.com)
August 25th, 2006 at 9:59 pm
Did she call him a dickhead? If not, she should have.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:05 pmJERRICK: But do you know where this comes from? Women. He took it from this study out of this research journal. And do you know what that study said? Women, no matter what they say, deep down inside and how much money they have and how great a job they have, they are happier if the husband is the main bread winner. It starts with women. They’re happier —
What a collection of mindless know-nothings on this board.
This is just simple-f*cking fact. Women, generally, want a man that makes a lot of money. PERIOD.
"Rightwing", this, and "Nazi" that doesn't change the facts. God, Im embarrased for all you mindless fools that drool BULLSHIT that "must" be right because it makes you feel good.
Idiots.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:13 pmJERRICK: We want to keep you happy.
In my experience, men say that, but they really just want to be kept happy, and while they're happy and not bitching and whining, we're supposed to be grateful.
Did I mention I'm single? The third happiest day of my life was the day I left my marriage. My ex keeps me very happy these days -- by being married to someone else.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:24 pmWomen should be at the office, making the big bucks, and taking care of my lazy ass while I am at home taking a nap. I will service whatever needs she may have.
Comment by For Truth
That's in arrangment I could live with. :)
I know you don't really do that, For Truth. Mrs For Truth is a lucky woman.
August 25th, 2006 at 10:26 pmSomeone on this thread said "Career women sacrifice the family." And what do 'career men' sacrifice? The 'little woman' and the kids are usually the first to go when 'Mr. Career Man' decides he needs a 'change' and will soon resent having to support the ex family. Even the co-anchor had to call b*llsh*t on that one.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:08 amTake "ric" out of jerrick and you get jerk. It fits....
August 26th, 2006 at 4:01 amOne last coment on this subject.....Several year's ago I read an article written by a woman...Wish I could remember who..Oh well! Up front I will add, this is not intended to bash men in general, just the few that it most apply's.....The article was regarding why we put men in power......Why would we put men in high positions when we know for a fact 40 minutes out of every hour the blood in their body rushes from their thinking head to their other head......Why indeed....The article went into great detail about the male ego, syche and sexual arrousal.....Ending up with even visual stimuli causing distractions that impaired their judgment........LOL.....My take on this entire article here and now..All important positions in government and large corporations should be dual partnerships......Male and female.........Or better yet, for the time being, since the men in our administration have screwed things up so badly maybe they should be banned and replaced by strong educated women....No I don't mean Hillery Clinton or dead eyed rice.........Unbelievable submitted info on the matriarchal societies and I will add a tiny snippet....Having studied this, in a small way.....They have and do work well...........Blessings
August 26th, 2006 at 8:00 amLast night I was unable to get past the TP spam filter in order to explain that there were two of us with similar names. The posts were getting confused.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:00 amI spell my name with an E at the end - the other has an A.
To #30, neocon
August 26th, 2006 at 10:10 amIt is highly irregular for a "liberal" to hold racist views. I seldom speak in absolutes, but I do speak in general terms. In my post, I referred to my own experience.
In general, it is conservatives who tend to keep women down and adopt an authoritarian posture in the home as well as in society. I do believe it stems from a sense of insecurity in that their egos that requires them to constantly validate their superiority and they often react to all outside "threats" with subtle and not-so-subtle tactics - racism and sexism among them.
#68....uh, maybe cooking dinner for my family was exactly what I was doing....maybe you have never heard of sitting down WITH your family and eating/talking/enjoying the company of your loved ones.....anyway.....
While you’re cleaning the toilets, changing diapers and grocery shopping I guess?… :) ...that too means this discussion takes a back seat....
#64..sorry you have such a low opinion of religion....but I expect from the left...and dont some animals eat their own crap? not a good comparison---animals/people/religion......
Insecure women go get nmarried and have babies, because in our culture that is what is applauded. You did notice that it’s career women who are getting accused of the degradation of society here, right?.....so women are not suppose to get married and have children....you lost me with that comment......
But significantly less so compared to other Industrialized - and some non-industrial countries. India has had a female leader, but we have not yet. Hardly anything to crow about…...here we go---i am sure you are expecting this one...so, if is it soooo great in those other countries....when are YOU moving????????????
As a man you really don;t understand how women are treated in our culture.....I do know how properly raised "men" treat women....and the ones I know would make you proud......
So take it from a woman with a career and a functioning brain, people criticize my lack of offspring far more thanthey commend my achievements....I am sorry to hear that...I would just say its your decision.....although---I would prefer women getting married and having children...its called procreation
Marie#93.....did the numbers change here since yesterday? anyway-----well conservatives take a traditional view on life/society/the military/relationships/etc...so I see your point there....but again it does not mean ALL conservatives are RACIST...
I do believe it stems from a sense of insecurity in that their egos that requires them to constantly validate their superiority and they often react to all outside “threats†with subtle and not-so-subtle tactics - racism and sexism among them. ....maybe the conservatives I know (including myself) full under a new lable of conservatism....maybe neo-neo-conservatism?? b/c those are pretty harsh words to JUST aim at conservatives....I am sure we can all think of people that ARE NOT conservatives that behave like this.....
enjoy your saturday ladies----I am going shopping----which in conservative to liberal translation means----I am going shopping....
August 26th, 2006 at 12:54 pmI apologize for the bold....must have hit something wrong there....
sorry for the bold!!!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:55 pmOnce again, these fascist, reichwing pigs rear their ugly heads. Any woman, or minority that support these patriarchal bastards are into self-hatred.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#87: In my experience, men say that, but they really just want to be kept happy, and while they’re happy and not bitching and whining, we’re supposed to be grateful.
What's with the generalizations? And what do you mean by "wanting to be kept happy"? Are you suggesting that men don't know how to make themselves happy?
August 26th, 2006 at 10:51 pm#86: Women, generally, want a man that makes a lot of money. PERIOD.
Wow, when you say things with such authority, that must mean you're right. The all-caps are especially persuasive.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:53 pmWell, I want to be kept happy. I have never been betrayed by Rosy :)
August 26th, 2006 at 11:20 pmIf any of you actually read the article in Forbes you would notice that the evidence is based on a series of studies, not opinion.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:14 amHey Jeremy, nice name but I think everybody got the point. So, they found a bunch of June Cleavers. What does that prove? Hmm, it must have been a Fox News poll. You know, in Fox world they are there to cook and give the occasional blowjob.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:31 amJames,
What’s with the generalizations?
Note the use of "In my experience..."
And what do you mean by “wanting to be kept happy� Are you suggesting that men don’t know how to make themselves happy?
Comment by James
Talk about generalizations, James! Um, yes, I am.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:08 am#102: Um, yes, I am.
Goodness! Sounds like you've been hanging around with the wrong men.
Then again, JPark wants to be kept happy. Maybe you're right after all.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:33 amGoodness! Sounds like you’ve been hanging around with the wrong men.
Comment by James
Yes, I have. But no more...
August 27th, 2006 at 12:02 pmnice info, thanks for the vid :)
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