Buchanan Falsely Claims That Hispanics ‘Do Not Wish To Assimilate’
Buchanan Falsely Claims That Hispanics ‘Do Not Wish To Assimilate’
One of Pat Buchanan’s key claims in his new book, State of Emergency, is that Mexicans “prefer to remain outsiders” and “do not wish to assimilate.” Yesterday on Glenn Beck, Buchanan reiterated this argument, claiming that “the road to culture is language” and “they want to keep their Spanish language.” Watch it:
A quick look at the statistics shows a much different picture. A Pew Hispanic Center poll shows 96% of foreign-born and Spanish-speaking Latinos believe it is “very important” to teach English to immigrant children. Indeed, they are having enormous success achieving this goal. While only 4% of Hispanic immigrants are primarily English speakers, 46% of their children and 78% of the third generation are English dominant.
Hispanics are assimilating in other ways as well. 32% of second-generation Hispanics marry outside their race, as does 57% of the third generation. Hispanics enlist in the United States military at a greater percentage than whites.
Assimilation is a process that occurs not in a moment but over generations. Hispanics are engaged in that process, just like earlier generations of Germans, Irish and Italians.
– Scott Keyes
Transcript:
BECK: Let’s talk first about culture, because this is the simplest way. I mean, we’ve got all these threats coming in from overseas, but the simplest way for us to lose the culture of the West is just to do nothing and let illegal immigrants not melt in and take the culture away from us.
BUCHANAN: The road to culture is language. And there’s no doubt about it, in the southwest — Los Angeles now, something like 5 million of the 9 million people don’t even speak English in their own homes. Many of the Hispanics coming in now, they’re patriotic Mexicans, they want to keep their Spanish language and culture and music, and Glenn, when that happens over a period of time — and the numbers are so enormous, and there’s no melting pot ideology anymore in America, what you’re going to have is two languages, two cultures, and eventually two countries.
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Really, they don’t know how to speak English? Wow I wonder how I’ve been communicating with my cousin’s wife who happens to be of Mexican descent. Maybe I should tell her that Pat Buchanan doesn’t want her and her family to speak English, start a small business, contribute to society, etc. Boy I feel stupid now. Thanks Pat!!!!
August 26th, 2006 at 9:39 amWow, good to know I can speak spanish. I was confused because I just left a position working for a construction company that employed many hispanics and I would regularly speak with them so I guess this means I am bilingual.
More proof? I now teach math in the Dallas area. I have hispanic students. I thought we were all speaking english in class but I guess we could have lapsed into spanish without even thinking about it.
How is it that these people are even allowed air time to spew their racist bulls**t?
August 26th, 2006 at 9:47 amTP and all poster’s…..Didn’t we just have this subject matter a few day’s ago.? Why another go at promoting this fat faced, no neck, bloated old white neocon’s book and his extreme reich winged view’s……..I’m off to hug a tree…….Blessings
August 26th, 2006 at 9:53 amHello Sharon….it has been awhile. How are the trees? Still no rain in these parts and going to hit the century mark again today!! So much for the no global warming theory!
I had just heard about this book yesterday while listening to Randi Rhoades radio show. Or are you talking about one of the other bloated, rich, limp wristed, viagra taking, little boy loving, neocon white man, Ruskie?
August 26th, 2006 at 10:01 amWhy would anyone want to assimilate into the culture of the white facsist?
August 26th, 2006 at 10:02 am#6 – because we are the borg? Sorry..have a geek husband!
August 26th, 2006 at 10:03 amCrap……..Another bull shit bush force feeding radio address on CNN now…….I AN SO SICK OF THIS ENTIRE BUNCH, GONNA TURN OFF EVERY THING TODAY……LIES AND THE ADMINISTRATION THAT MAKE;S THEM UP…..BROUGHT TO YOU FROM KENNY PORK BUNK, MAINE…..LIVE LONG AND PROSPER BY REMOVING THIS ENTIRE BUNCH IN OUR ADMINISTRATION……Did I yell loud enough for all to hear?, I sure hope so….Blessings…Peace for the children of the world
August 26th, 2006 at 10:05 ambuchanan is completely ignorant of the realities of any immigrant population… new immigrant arrivals, understandably, tend to stick with those who provide the highest comfort level in a new and very foreign environment, and it’s naturally those who are from the same country or region and those who speak the same language… but, guess what…? their kids, who may be required to speak their parents’ language at home, pick up english in a new york minute and often deliberately avoid speaking their parents’ language outside the home in order to be able to fit in better with their peers… there’s no deliberate choice to not learn english… what a load of crap… the good thing that’s happened is, with the rise of more and more bilingual advertising and media programming, spanish in particular has become more available to all… maybe, just maybe, americans, who tend to be barbarians in the speaking-a-foreign-language department, might discover that there are worlds out there beyond american strip malls, the lottery, and desperate housewives (which, by the way, is now showing here in argentina, titled, “amas de las casas – desperadas)…” :)
And, yes, I DO take it personally
August 26th, 2006 at 10:11 amStupid is as stupid does.
Het Pat, can you read that? Is it plain english?
August 26th, 2006 at 10:11 ambecause we are the borg?
Comment by Jules
That crowd is worse than the Borg. At least the Borg had a “hive mind,” these fools got nothin’. Sorry, I am a geek. :)
Hi Jules, long time no see! New job going well?
August 26th, 2006 at 10:15 amI posted this on the other thread –
Good day Zooey – it has been awhile. I have been lurking but no time to post. School started last week and I am exhausted. I forgot that standing in heels for 5 hours a day can tire you out. I guess that is why we teachers get paid so much.
I am teaching one course for seniors who have very low level math skills. The teacher who taught it last year allowed a recruiter to speak to her class as she thought her students had few other options. I have a feeling this guy will be contacting me to speak to the class again. There is no way in hell I will allow that to happen. If these kids want to die for an unjust cause they can learn about it on their own time. I refuse to play a role in it. There are other options for them and that is what I am teaching them.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:17 am#9,
I agree.
Buchanan is pandering to a dwindling base here – unfortunately their voices are pretty loud. I often wonder what they think of when they have moments of contemplation.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:19 amI saw that, Jules, and responded on the other thread. :)
Welcome back! I’m outta here — sorry.
Might check in later. Play nicely!
August 26th, 2006 at 10:25 amI fail to see how Latinos and Latinas are any different than any other immigrant groups such as the Italians or Germans, except they are not caucasian.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:27 amHello back at ya, Jules…..Good morning Coffins……I was refering to this nut bag. Second time with his assimilation book crap…..Limpdick I guess also has a book, I wouldent buy any of their book’s and that includes ugly ann, the screaming crazy……Like bush they are becoming flaming idiots…..I’m a Zenn or Chomsky fan for reading…..
The trees are doing fair……The hot weather and less rain here are taking their toll and have had to resort to watering many that are showing stress……One in particular is dieing…..Very unusual for Washington state….Never before has it been necessary to water these big one’s……Another interesting thing, I have a huge rhododendron in my yard and the past 2 year’s it has bloomed in the spring and again in the fall…It also has shown stress and needed watering both years which was never required in previous year’s..Odd indeed and global warming could be the cause or an extreme shift in weather location change…..What ever it is, it changed dramaticaly in my area……
Sorry off topic all…….Blessings
August 26th, 2006 at 10:28 amSharon – really, how much can you say about rich, white neocons making money spewing ism’s aimed at the lowest form of ignorance in our society. People who buy these books do so because it is something they can point to and claim their hatred of another race, gender, nationality, orientation, etc. is justified.
I really wonder how much of this crap they actually believe and how much they just say to make more money.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:33 amSharon,
The trees here in New England are looking awful. There is some sort of a spot blight that has hit the oaks that has caused small patches of leaves to die.
Then there is some larger malady strking oaks, maples and lots of the pine and firs too. Some of the oaks and maples are barren and there is lots of deadness in the evergreens.
I blame it on Bush. He is a Jonah. Ever since he has been in office we have faced tragedy on top of heartache….Katrina, 9/11, wars, floods, poltical betrayal, corruption…now even the trees are dying on his watch.
Heckuva job Chimpy McDicnkweed.
-GSD
August 26th, 2006 at 10:38 amOh yeah, and screw BuKKKanan, he is a pathetic Nixon apologist and he should be George Allen’s running mate!
-GSD
August 26th, 2006 at 10:39 amGSD – I grew up on the north shore in MA. My mom and sister still live in MA. This past winter they could not believe how mild it was. Then the torential rains that flooded the north shore this spring. And to top it off they have had record heat this summer.
Here in TX we can only water our lawns one time a week or use soaker hoses 2 hours per day. We chose the soaker hose route. Better to save the foundation. If the rain ever returns we can plant new grass. My husband is really worried about our trees though. Someone suggested we get a waterbed pump and use the shower water to water our trees every day. We are going to try it. Hell at this point we will try anything but cheating. I refuse to do that. I would really like for there to be water left over for important thigs like food, fighting fires, drinking, etc.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:46 amJules, I think their main motivation is money…..Since the bush bunch came into power they are on the band wagon of pramoting fear and racest ideals….
Our country is being marched back word’s or on rewind at a fast pace….It’s all part of their big plan to dumb down and control the masses….All truth’s have flown out the white house window and we are all expected to fall in line behind “heir father figure” dumbass bush….In this case the messenger and his managers in charge are extremely evil….I call bush a dumbass, he is just the ring master, in realety he get’s his speaking and ideas from evil’s in charge cheney, rove, rummy and they are not stupid….They have accomplished exactly what the set out to do….Create endless wars, dismantel our constitution and rewrite our law’s and make corprate america the rulers of the world….There will be no more “We the people” if they finish what they have set out to do……We the people will be nothing more than slaves…..One world order will reighn right after they start bombing more ME countries…Providing they don’t bring on their Armagedon…..
Sorry for the continued off topic……..Blessings All
August 26th, 2006 at 10:53 amGlenn Beck says we’ve got all these ‘threats’ coming from overseas. By ‘threats’ does he mean people? And what is Pat’s problem anyway? Why does he feel so threatened? He shows no concern for other immigrants, or their speaking their native languages. Not that it matters. Their racism and bigotry should not be catered to or encouraged. Get some therapy, and get over it.
August 26th, 2006 at 10:56 amBush, Deadeye Dick Cheney, BuKKKanan, Glenn Blech and all the rest of the fear mongers are turning this into a “Chickenshit Nation” afraid of everyone and everything. Run, it’s liberals, gays, Latinos, Muslims, terrrrristssss, athiests, run away, run away.
Don’t want to be an American chickenshit.
-GSD
August 26th, 2006 at 11:08 amBuchanan is an idiot . He should know better . As an Irish , catholic American he own to still feel the suffering of the early Irish immigrants , discriminated at all levels of the american society , the Irish rose from the only survival kit they were left with : gangs , crime , bootlegging . They assimmilated and even rose to the presidency of the USA . Buchanan should be proud and democrat which he is not .His aspirations to the presidency were stymied by his narrow morality and idiocy . He is left with only a podium to shock so sell his book . He own to go introvert and reflect upon his failures .
August 26th, 2006 at 11:14 amBuchanan es un pinche puto burro hijo de perra!
To counter his argument how is this for an example…
I came from Mexico in ‘88. I started high school when I got here because grandma said, “if you don’t speak English you won’t get a good job”. I went through ESL and by 1991 I was putting together better essays (in English) than some of my anglo-saxon death-rock classmates. Also, I was kicking ass in math. I did 2 years of junior college, and transferred to state university and got my degree in 1996 in chemical engineering. I have been working for a US company for 10 years since then, and I am in middle management now. I spent 4 years in Japan working for my company and now I am back in the states listening to this racist crap. Unbelievable! How do you think I have been communicating through my years in high school, college, and my job? Spanish? Well, sometimes when my company needs to break ground in Mexico or other latin american countries, yes I do speak Spanish…but other than that, is English baby! I thought I assimilated the “American Culture” until people like this idiot started spewing their stupidities. When I see this crap, I know that it doesn’t matter how much I assimilate, to these xenophobic bastards, I will always be an outsider wearing a sombrero, a sarape, and riding a burro. Arrggghhhhh…oh by the way, I know a little a Japanese now and I am working on becoming fluent.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:14 amJules and all, I have been a tree hugger and conservationests for ever and now it is a mandatory thing here in our little corner of the world. Our little corner has not watered the lawn’s all summer and only water the trees and necessary plant life as needed…..Never before have we had to water the big cedar’s….I put into place a no car washing or lawn watering several year’s ago because there are 11 famalies on one well….This year and last I watched the lake we are on closely and as it dropped in level I knew our well water table was droppin just as quickly…..
Interesting note for all here, all of us together don’t use as much water as 2 average houses in the city…We all live in small motor homes 35 foot or small and park model trailers…All have 5 gallon hot water tanks and none have the house like toilet’s that require a lot of water to flush…We by choice or necessity live quite simply and with water conservation in mind alway’s….I have thought for year’s oil will not be the issue, in the end good water to drink will be the liquid gold…………Blessings…….Plant good ideas for the young and pay our teachers big wages, fire all the polaticians…
August 26th, 2006 at 11:15 amBuchanan ought to spend some time in New Mexico, where the cross assimilation between Latinos from Spanish heritage, those from later Mexican heritage, Caucasians, and Native Americans is so deep that immigration isn’t even an issue here. There are blond haired girls named Martinez, and Hispanic-looking folks named Richardson. Separating “them” from “us” is not so easy.
All of which suggests the entire immigration debate is over simple racism. People in the southeast and northwest are not used to seeing Hispanics, and now that they are, they are freaked out over this new “other.” Plain old-fashioned ignorance and fear.
A hundred years ago, some people were saying that Irish Catholics did not wish to assimilate. Maybe Buchanan proves they were right.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:15 amSi senior Noe you are a true american . Do not let these jealous idiots get to you .The only thing they know is to let go of their viper juices and kiss ass to sell their books.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:20 amThere is another group out there who have come to this country in large numbers in recent years, who in my experience have no desire to assimilate, and cling to their own language rather than learn English, and puke Buchanan says nothing about them.Who you ask? Polish immigrants who no doubt arrived legally. but who after years here still can’t and will not speak or understand English. Oh yeah that’s right, they are white, not Latinos. Buchanan is nothing but a race baiter in a shirt and tie. He always has been and always will be. That is unfortunately too often a character flaw of many of those who flock to the REPUBLIC PARTY.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:21 amassimilate into what?
like america has a distinct culture? give me a break. the culture changes from one neighborhood to the next in the big city, and you can apply that rule from state to state.
face it, at the founding of the united states – the WASPs stole the country from the natives – pure and simple.
ask yourself, assimilate into what?
August 26th, 2006 at 11:21 amNoe – I wish you could speak to my students. You are a great example of what can be…not an exception as these neocons have convinced many hispanics. My students become upset because I make them speak proper english in my class (I teach math), but I want them to learn that if they do not speak well, this limits their opportunites just as not writing well or any other basic skill will.
One other issue you brought up is college. I tell my students that even if they are not at the top of their class or cannot afford a university they should not rule out college. They can go to a two year school and transfer just like you did and just like I did.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:26 amOh well there goes the Mayor of Los Angeles. Pat might want to visit America before writing a book about the people of this country. Like other elected officials does Pat get his information from his Spanish employees. The rest of the United States is open to an interview from Pat. Pat has join the rest of the KKK members by bringing racism to the front of American policy. We don’t need another racist we have enough all ready. Use his book for heat and burn it.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:28 amOh, I almost forgot. I really wish I could speak another language. I envy bilingual people.
My daughter will leave home next fall for college and I am going to begin taking classes. Probably spanish as that is the most pratical as I live in TX.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:30 amI’m surprised that Progress.org would have such a polarizing article.
Surely you are aware that the Bush Boys have thrown Buchanan out of their “Hood” some time ago because he tells the truth.
This is how it is! Illegal immigrants speak English but prefer not to do so. Proof: Calle de Ocho here in Miami, FL. You prefer not to integrate into the American way of life unless it gives you the advantage, ie, through marriage or ownership.
Illegal immigrants want to become citizens by not going through the normal process and waiting in line. You think you are more important, smarter, have better music, better dancing. You name it. What I personally have observed of your actions is racism and bigotry on your part, not mine.
Jose thinks I am a beautiful woman, and he doesn’t speak a lot of English. I think he is handsome and very sweet. We will remain friends as he wants to do the right thing. But I fear he will resort to the savage imagery of the “hot-tempered” aggressive wildness that Latinos wear as a badge of honor. That is where Latins are wrong. I tnink it is uncivilized.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:33 amthe American way of life…. what the hell is that?
the savage imagery of the “hot-tempered†aggressive wildness…. that aspect spans all humans regardless of creed or race.
I think it is uncivilized what is civilized? trully? what defines civilized? this is a cultural definitiion. there is no culture in the united states, there is a conglomeration of cultures.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:42 amLet’s say, instead of American way of life, that they prefer to live segregated from the “Gringos”.
Yes hot-tempers are in other races, but Latinos are proud of it. Thereby, wear it as a badge of honor. Others try to control themselves in some manner.
And, you do seem to exhibit a lack of respect for any culture, or conglomeration of cultures. Or, believe every little word on Fox News. If you wish further defiitions, you look them up yourself.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:54 amGSD
August 26th, 2006 at 11:58 amGSD,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:01 pmYour insane hatred of Bush make your comments look ignorant. He’s on the side of Hispanic immigrants. Buchanan speaks for the ignorant Ethic White Northen Blue Collar Democrats. Bush want to legalize the Illegal Hispanics here and has praised their Military service. On this issue Bush is on the right side. Before you make ignorant comments research the issue.
If you wish further defiitions, you look them up yourself… didn’t see that you had provided any definitions.
Others try to control themselves in some manner.…. that is a human condition all around.
And, you do seem to exhibit a lack of respect for any culture… you throw stones from a glass house. further, you charge without evidence.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:01 pmSome others of you seem to need to make up your minds. You say Bush represents the Southern Red-neck idiots, and Buchanan represents the “ignorant poor blue collar workers” of the northern ethnics.
You just hate Americans. That is why you are not welcomed here.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:07 pmBaltar you seem to dispaly an enormity of ignorance. But I am unsure why this would surprise me coming from an individual with his head stuck so firmly up Bush’s ass!
Bush does not care one iota for Mexicans, or any other immigrants. He wants a guest worker program so his buddies in the corporate world have plenty of cheap labor so they will not have to pay a living wage. If it were a requirement that all workers be paid at least minimum wage, including guest workers, then I might cut him a small amount of slack, but this will never happen as long as the repugnuts are making the rules.
He is also backing off from amnesty for the millions of immigrants here illegally because his ignorant base.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:10 pm“… you look them up yourself… didn’t see that you had provided any definitions.”
That’s my point. YOU look them up!
“you charge without evidence.” .. as do you, If needed, I can provide. But, it is not needed here. Most people are already educated.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:12 pmDon’t tell Alberto Gonzales. Wait. Hey, somebody tell Alberto Gonzales.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:15 pmYou just hate Americans. That is why you are not welcomed here
what is an american? are americans endimic to the united states?
seriously, i’m attempting to understand your logic and nomenclature.
i have posed questions of clarity, you have provided circular ill-logic.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:17 pmIt is at this point that you stop trying to communicate with Baltar, becuase if he thinks this is true, he has got to be dumb as a rock.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:18 pmYou can samething about him except it will be true.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:19 pmIt is at this point that you stop trying to communicate with Baltar, becuase if he thinks this is true, he has got to be dumb as a rock.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 26, 2006 @ 12:18 pm
I know Spudge…it is just that I have been away for awhile and my pissed off is overflowing!!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:20 pmJules,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:21 pmStop with your Bush bashing and reason on this issue so much. I disagree with this site Pro-Islamic aganda but agree with it’s anti-Buchanan stance. Bush wants a process to legalize the undocumented workers. That’s a fact. He hasn’t backed off that. The point I’m saying keep the focus on Buchanan no Bush who’s on the correct side on this issu. He has Mexican relatives and admires Mexican culture. Stick to the point.
Buchanan is Leftwing on economic issues. he’s not a Republican anymore. His base are ignorant Blue Collar Northern white democrats. Lets focus Buchanan’s ignorance not Bush, who many Leftwing activists have said he’s right on this issue.
Buchanan speaks for Democrats??? Wow, I never knew that rabid Republican hit-man gave a damn about Democrats. Well, either that shows you what I know or what the person who posted it doesn’t.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:21 pmthat’s “endemic” to you… Troll!
You are a “troll” — TROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT!
no further response will be provided to you.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:23 pmHoly crap, he’s not paying attention. I live in Phoenix. I went to a physical therapist’s office yesterday, and both receptionists and one of the therapists were of Mexican descent. The receptionists spoke English to the English speaking clients, and Spanish to the Spanish speaking clients. Everyone is getting along (or trying to), but it takes time to become comfortable with a new language. I’m sure my Swedish great-great-great-grandfather didn’t speak fluent English when he got off the boat. That might explain why so many of the towns where I grew up have Swedish names.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:24 pmwith this site Pro-Islamic aganda
well, paint the sky black while your at it. where has that agenda been stated? and is there a strategy behind it?
August 26th, 2006 at 12:24 pmhmmm, so spelling can be equated to trollism? how does that work, schizo one? exposed you again. does the shenanagins ever end?
August 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pmWayne A. Schneider,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pmHe’s not a Republican. He left the pary is is Leftwing on many economic issue. I used to live in NY and the most racist people I encounterd were Whiote Union member Democrats. Their hatred of Hispanic was incrdeible. That’s the truth. This issue isn’t a Rightwing or Leftwing issue, but a Right and wrong issue. There are plenty of Racists in the Democratic and Republican party. There are many Tolerant folks in both parties too. Get out of your naive ideological thinking be reasonable.
DIRECTING my TROLL ALERT TO:
NO: 44
August 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pmassimilate? Most of them do. I live in the Southwest and believe me many Mexicans assimilate. Their children do too. This is hogwash as usual.
This hurts me because some of us who are descendants of Conquistadores who came to this place (continental US) in 1598-1603 are still here and WE are seeing a backlash. People actually look at us like we are not to talk in Spanish. We speak Spanish as well as English and we will never stop.
I am a 16th generation New Mexican and an American who was given the right to continue in our language by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. That Treaty is still in effect folks, it gives us the right to keep our language and we will. We were actually here first folks. Get it? My own family has been documented as far back as 1603 and we can prove it. My grandfather was a 14th generation New Mexican and American-he spoke or wrote no English, but his family has been here since 1603, I think they get a pass on stupidity like this. Thank goodness, New Mexico has a bilingual Constitution and the rights of our citizens to be bilingual are written into our Constitution.
Ever heard of the Spanish Land Grants (before this was the USA)? OH maybe that is one of those little things Lynne Cheney does not want in school textbooks, so most of you have no idea really just how-CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA AND COLORADO WERE ACTUALLY FOUNDED–on the backs and THE BLOOD OF OUR ANCESTORS. The Spanish and Mexicans.
Soy Chicana (Spanish, Mexican and Indian blood) I speak Spanish and English and I am damn proud of it.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pmsocial evolution has it’s own inheritence, schitzo one.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pmagain, ask yourselves: assimilate into what?
August 26th, 2006 at 12:28 pmnym@alias.net,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:29 pmThis site has has defended Hizb’Allah, Iran and Al-qaeda many times. Plenty of posters here have gone off on Anti-Semetic and Anti-Christian rantings. I have seen praise on this site heap on the Iranian President. Muslim posters have wrote here thanking the Left for their support.
If you’re not one of these Jihadi sympathizers then my comment shouldn’t bother you.
This thread is about Buchanan’s racist and ignorant views.
Bush does not care one iota for Mexicans, or any other immigrants. He wants a guest worker program so his buddies in the corporate world have plenty of cheap labor so they will not have to pay a living wage.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:30 pmJules #41, that sums it up well.
Baltar, your comments bother me because you do not substainiate them.
vitrol is a key element of republican propaganda.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:32 pmMaria,
I may not agree with your politics, but you wrote the truth on this issue amen on that Hermana!
I live in Miamai and we speak English and Spanish and will never stop!
Florida also was Spanish originally is turning Spanish again.
I’m Hispanic -American, I love my country and my culture. there’s no contradiction on that.
Maria,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:36 pmWhat Buchanan also seems to have forgotten is that during the Imperial Hapsburg Spain era 1500-1640, Many an Irish peopel fled to Spain and joined the Imperial Spanish army. Many of those also settled in Latin America. So some Hispanic immigrants may have Irish blood in them. In fact Che Guevara was half Iraish on his Mom’s side. her last name was Lynch. Buchanan is just an ignorant fool and I don’t know why the media listens to that clown.
Spudge_Boy,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:39 pmI lived in NY and the most racist people were White Democratic Blue Collar workers who were racist. I also said there are Republicans who are racist. Racism isn’t about Left or Right but Right and Wrong. Stop being Naive and realize that. Not everything is Rep or dem in life!
nym@alias.net,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:42 pmI’m not a Republican. I don’t vote or care because both parties suck up to Corporate and Islamic interests. I’m here to discuss Buchanan not another topic. Get out of your Brainwashed Ideological thinking and let’s focus on this scumbag!
Maria,
August 26th, 2006 at 12:43 pmStill, you had a great post and I’m praising you for it. Did you like the point I made about the Irish in latin America?
Maria #64, what did I do or say to you?!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:45 pmPeople were mixing us up yesterday and I was unable to get past the spam filter to post.
Maria, I don’t think we differ in our philosophy. I don’t know why you seem to be offended.
I have to leave soon and I never know when I will be able to overcome the TP spam filter.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:53 pmSo – till next time, whenever it is.
Brainwashed Ideological thinking
again, please substaintiate your comments.
quite simply, sterotyping is a product of ideological thinking. so accuse others of what you are displaying?
you say you desire focus of conversation, yet in all your comments you have digressed – then attempted muted argument with this focus on the topic at hand. at least attempt to live by your own recomendation.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:53 pmNot everything is Rep or dem in life!
Comment by Baltar,
Baltar posts this, which is preceded by this
Racism isn’t about Left or Right but Right and Wrong
but he begins with this
the most racist people were White Democratic Blue Collar workers who were racist.
Nope, nothing black or white about that!
August 26th, 2006 at 12:53 pmOkay, Baltar,
I do live in New York State now, and the most racist people I know are white conservative males who hate all the illegal immigrants lined up on the sidewalks looking for work. (I only know them, I don’t hang out with them.) So we must have traveled in different circles.
I was unaware that Buchanan left the Republican party. And while you claim he is mostly left-wing on economic issues, I find that difficult to believe. Do you mean he supports raises taxes on corporations? That he favors government regulation of businesses to prevent fraud and pollution and other generally unethical behavior? Because I think that would be a turn-around for him, and a surprising one at that.
I guess we’ll have to disagree on one thing: I strongly believe that Pat Buchanan is a racist, and nothing he has said has ever convinced me that he wouldn’t like to see the USA as lily-white as possible. That’s why I oppose him.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:55 pmWell, I, for one, look forward to seeing you post again MARIE. Come back soon.
August 26th, 2006 at 12:56 pmWayne A. Schneider,
Buchana does favor raising taxes on Corporations. He supports trade barriers and is aginst free trade. He left the GOP in the late 90’s and ran with Leftists Leonora Fullani on the Reform Paty ticket in 2000. I’m not saying Buchanan is a Leftists just he’s not a Republican.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:02 pmI live in NY, you mean to tell me that those White Democartic Blue Collar workers aren’t racist? Give me a break. I live in Florida now and feel more at home than in NY.
In NY Hispanics are at bottom of totem pole, in Florida thanks to the Cubans power here we’re accepted and treated with respect. I got into many a fight with ignorant racist union members who called me a spict.
Wayne, if you read my post, I said there are Rep racists too. I was talking from my personal experience that the most racist people I encounterd are White Blue Collar Democrats. You know that’s the truth.
Pat Buchanan is a racist. why are we paying attention to him at all.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:03 pmDRxJ,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:06 pmI was talking about my experience in life and who I felt Racism from. I brought that up because people around here make it seems that there’s no racism coming from the Left. I brought it out as an example to show you iot’s not an ideological issue and that people that disagree on issues can agree on this. Of course there are Racist Redneck Republicans. I haven’t encountered them but I know they’re out there. I was speaking of whom I felt Racsim from and why I kove d from NY, which is the most Anti-Hispanic stae in the union. In fact I advocate that all Hispanic leave NY and come to Florida where we have political and economic power!
Republican assimilation is futile,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:07 pmBuchanan is anti Neocon. he’s an Isolationist. All your doing is spewing ignorant talking points.
CIVIL RIGHTS DEMOCRAT,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:11 pmSo why are Northern Blue Colalr democrats Racist? there’s racism in bothe parties stop living in your brainwashed world!
Baltar,
I do not dispute that racists can belong to any political party. Many are conservative and find a home in the Republican Party, where they tend to find more like-minded people. Also, I try to make a distinction between Republicans and conservatives (which are not always the same thing) and Democrats and liberals (also not always the same.) If someone isn’t Republican, it doesn’t automatically follow that they are a Democrat. Some people leave the Republican Party because it isn’t conservative enough.
And believe me when I tell you that I am sorry that you were subjected to racism and name-calling while living here. While I know in my mind that those kinds of assholes exist here, it gives me no pleasure to be associated with them in any way, even if only by residency.
And I will not argue with you that the most racist people YOU knew were (in your estimation) White Democratic Blue Collar. Just believe me when I tell you that the racists that I know are primarily white conservative males. Like I said, I guess we didn’t hang out in the same circles. New York is a big state.
But I hope you’ve found a happy life in Jeb Bush’s Florida.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:13 pmMaria,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI think All Hisoanics wheter Right or Left should unite and form our own political party.
The French Candians have formed the Bloque Qubecois and have economic and political power because of it. We should do the same here and form El Bloque Latino. That way both parties would have to take our interests into account and we ally ourselves with whomever gives us the best deal.
Baltar, of course there are racist democrats, as I am living in Alabama as an arab, I know.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:14 pmWayne A. Schneider,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:17 pmI never said all dems or NYers were Racist. One of my best frinds is a NY Jewish Liberal that abhors those types of Dems. I was making a point that neither party is holier than thou. A Either way thanks for supporting Hispanic rights and lets keep bashimng Buchanan!
By the way jeb Bush is a great governor and is very muched liked by the Hispanic community here. he speaks better Spnaish than me! I don’t even think he’s biologically realted to Curious George! Maybe Jeb was adopted?
And Thinkprogress brings the facts to the table to debunk conservative man.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:21 pmI would say buchanon is a national socialist, which is some what different than left wing socialism and considered by some to be on the extreme right.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:24 pmMaria,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:25 pmMy Spanish is horrible unfortunately.
The point is us as Hispanics should emulate the Quebecois and form our own party. Let the Republicans and Democrats be dammned. They both don’t care about us so we should look after our own.
God is a Nihilist,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:26 pmYou make a good point but I belive that National Socialism is a Hybrid of Right and Left and doesn’t equate on the Right Left paradigm. Good point and he is a Nazi!
Baltar,
Buena suerte, mi amigo, y vaya con dios.
(P.S. I have just about reached the limits of my conversational Spanish with that line.)
August 26th, 2006 at 1:28 pmWayne,
Thanks and god blees you too!
Maria, National Socialism is Nazi. Nazi was an abreviation for that. Buchanan isn’t Fascist because Fascism belives in the superiority of a Nation over others. A Nation can be composed of many races and cultures untited by a governmnet.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:33 pmMaria, what do you think of my idea of a Bloque Latino?
Maria,
“national socialist? That was Mussolini slogan! Do you know who Mussolini was?”
he was against Socialism. and wasn’t a National Socialist. That was Hitler. Mussolini was an Italo-Latin Fascist. he belive in the unification of all Latin nations under Italy’s leadership to restore the power of the Roman Empire. He had a free market economy as opposed to Nazi Germany which had a Socilaist economy. the best example of a fascist state today is China. Officialy the party in control is called Communist but they’re really Fascist. The Chinese government’s ideology is the promotion a a greater China. They belive that all Chinese whether they be Han, Cantonese, Manchu, Mongolian, Korean or Turkic should are part of a great Nation that should dominate Asia. China has a free market economy but a Military Nationalistic ideology. That’s Fascism.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:39 pmMaria, the fact is both the Dems and the Reps don’t give 2 cents about us. If we form our own political party, it would force them to offervto share power with us. Then whoever gives us the best offer we ally uourselves with them. That’s what the Bloue Quebecoius has done in Canada. If the leberal party offers them a good deal, then they ally themselves with them. If the Conservatives offer them a deal they ally themselves with them. Either way they are a force to be reckon with. We should do the same here.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:42 pmWell, Pat, does this mean that we should deport Alberto Gonzales and Carlos Gutierrez because they’re not “Assimilated”? It seems the only group in this country that is anti-American and wants to change this country is neo-cons and right-wingers like Pat.
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Maria,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:48 pmThe US isn’t Italy 70 years ago. There’s no death squads and people have freedom of speach. Also the left controls the media in this country. Where’s the censorship of the press? Look I don’t like arguing with a fellow Latin. I belive in Latin Unity and that Rightwing and letwing Hispanics should put aside our deifferences and unite for the greater good of our people against both Racist parties and force them to negotiate with us. It worked in Canada.
LCLiberal,
Is that poll acurate? the last poll I saw had Crist who’s a Liberatrian Republican up by 25 points. If that’s true, I’m not voting. The Dems in Florida are Anti-Hispanic since they hate the power we have here. this is an ominous debvolpement. I left one Anti-Hispanic state and don’t want to have to leave another.
Maria, what state are you in? If it’s New Mexico where Bill Richardson is, I’m there if Crist doesn’t win here in Florida. If not then I’ll move to Puerto Rico.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:52 pmLCLiberal,
August 26th, 2006 at 1:54 pmPat isn’t a Neo-Con. the Neo-Cons want immigration to this country. Pat represents the Nativist Right and the Blue Collar Left. That’s his constituency. Stop verbegating Leftists talking points and stick to the facts.
“Also the left controls the media”
You’re kidding me, actually, it is 6 corporations. Do some research!!!???
August 26th, 2006 at 1:59 pmRepublicans and Democrats be dammned. They both don’t care about us so we should look after our own
see through the agenda folks.
republicans know that they are doomed on the racial front, they are the party of white anglo saxon protestant, WASPs. republicans desire to further wedge the public in hopes the people will not aggregate. do not be fooled by the agenda of the radical right.
republicans have twisted the term of conservative.
these new age republicans are conservative, true, but in a different category.
republicans are conservative in capturing osama. where is he? do you realize hilter was dealt with in less time?
republicans are conservative in protecting the united states. who was president on sept 11? who did not take precautionary measures after being warned?
republicans are conservative in the truth. how many lies led to current war conditions overseas?
those of deception desire to pollute your minds. they will attempt to cause racism the dividing point. they will attempt to make you think that no matter how you vote, nothing will change.
the only way to make it end is to aggregate the diverse public.
the question you must ask yourself: which party represents the diverse people?
August 26th, 2006 at 2:02 pmOkay, Baltar. You have discredited yourself with this one. I still disagree with you and I was trying to be polite about it, but when you post ignorant comments like this one:
Also the left controls the media in this country. Where’s the censorship of the press?
I have to say something. This is a total lie! The media in this country is NOT controlled by the left, but by the right. If the media really were controlled by the left, then why did we hear virtually nothing in the news when the judge ruled the NSA warrantless wiretapping program was unconstitutional and illegal? Instead, we got wall-to-wall coverage of some asswipe who fled to Thailand and claimed to have committed a ten-year-old murder he probably couldn’t possibly have committted? If tyhe left controlled the media, we would still be hearing about the judge’s ruling. Instead, silence.
And when you write this:
Look I don’t like arguing with a fellow Latin. I belive in Latin Unity and that Rightwing and letwing Hispanics should put aside our deifferences and unite for the greater good of our people against both Racist parties and force them to negotiate with us. It worked in Canada.
Well, maybe it doesn’t sound this way to you, but it smacks of racism to me. It sounds like you want to divide us up by race, and support only those of the same race as you. But hey, maybe I’m not reading it right. Maybe there really is a call for unity among all people regardless of race or skin color or ethnic heritage and I’m just not seeing it. To me, calling for “Latin Unity” is no different than calling for “White Unity”. And we all know how that strikes people.
By the way, I am an atheist. I was being polite when I said “vaya con dios.” I don’t believe there really are gods that you can go with. And if I’m wrong, let them strike me dead where I sit.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:06 pmWhen immigrants come here they want to assimilate. Then the white racists belittle, persecute, and attack them and they turn back to their own culture, friends, neighborhoods for protection. Buchannon has no one but himself to blame for immigrants not wanting to “assimilate” into a bunch of racist, bigoted, crooked criminals. Pat have a beaner over to the house for dinner, hire a mexican American, take one golfing!
August 26th, 2006 at 2:07 pmAmen!
August 26th, 2006 at 2:09 pmFat Buchanan’s ancestors did not assimilate with the people who were already here so he decides to project that onto Latinos? The old goat has issues.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:10 pmwhat is wrong with being a revolutionary?
isn’t that how the united states was founded?
August 26th, 2006 at 2:13 pm“Also the left controls the mediaâ€
What? Do communist have their share in TV in the US? Freedom of speech…yeah, as long as you praise free-market. What left do you think is the left? Democrats represent the left????? Come on! They are moderates and liberals…left…never.
Also, the US government is supported by 35% of population. Is that not Fascism from italian Fascio as in “group”?
August 26th, 2006 at 2:14 pmSo TP praise Hezbollah and some of the posters here? What are you saying?
And if I’m wrong, let them strike me dead where I sit.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 26, 2006 @ 2:06 pm
Good one.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:15 pmWhy would you want to assimilate into a culture that treats you like crap? Buchanan creates a hostile environment and then blames the Mexicans for not wanting to be a part of it.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:16 pmEvery Friday the migrant workers in our area are bused into the local Walmart to shop and the locals go crazy. People complain that the stores full of mexicans although any other day of the week the store is packed and no one complains. The locals laugh about the mexicans dressing up like “cowboys” most of them wear cowboy hats and boots. I’ve pissed off more than a few rednecks by pointing out that they actually work on farms unlike the redneck posers that wear the same outfits but have never seen a farm let alone worked on one. The environment here is fairly hostile toward all imagrants even though they work hard cause no trouble and are pleasant people to talk to if you take the time. Yet another reason I can’t wait to leave Florida.
I saw that. He’s such a fascist, Catholic pig. He’s just like that ass from the Catholic League. That’s one of the reason I gave up on that church, and religion, assholes like those two.
August 26th, 2006 at 2:48 pmQUIT PICKIN ON POOR PAT!! HES STANDIN UP FOR WHATS RIGHT AND IT TAKES COURAGE.
Comment by Python
Pat is standing up for what he believes, not for what’s right.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:28 pmMaria,
August 26th, 2006 at 3:28 pmthe fasces is a Roman (Latin) symbol. The point I’m getting at is that us latins should look after ourselves because the Anglos don’t care about us!
I am a 16th generation New Mexican and an American who was given the right to continue in our language by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. That Treaty is still in effect folks, it gives us the right to keep our language and we will. We were actually here first folks. Get it? My own family has been documented as far back as 1603 and we can prove it. My grandfather was a 14th generation New Mexican and American-he spoke or wrote no English, but his family has been here since 1603, I think they get a pass on stupidity like this. Thank goodness, New Mexico has a bilingual Constitution and the rights of our citizens to be bilingual are written into our Constitution.
Ever heard of the Spanish Land Grants (before this was the USA)? OH maybe that is one of those little things Lynne Cheney does not want in school textbooks, so most of you have no idea really just how-CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA AND COLORADO WERE ACTUALLY FOUNDED–on the backs and THE BLOOD OF OUR ANCESTORS. The Spanish and Mexicans.
Soy Chicana (Spanish, Mexican and Indian blood) I speak Spanish and English and I am damn proud of it.
Comment by Maria — August 26, 2006 @ 12:27 pm
This is my post I don’t know who the other Maria is posting I will edit mine to reflect as much
August 26th, 2006 at 3:33 pmThe Left does control, the media. Why is the American media with the exception of Fox news leftist? Why do they portray Iran in good light?
August 26th, 2006 at 3:34 pmIf the Media was rightwing, then Curious George’s approval rating would be higher and the media wouldn’t bash him day in and day out!
I do believe in Hispanci Unity. We shouild emulate the Quebecois and from our own political power structure. Screw the Democrats that’s re controlled by Leftwing and Jihadis interests and screw the Republicans that’re are controlled by Oil and Money interest. The Dems are just as racist as the Reps but asre slicker and coniaving about it.
Maria #56 IS NOT Maria #64
Baltar. Thank you for your words.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:37 pmMaria, what state are you in? If it’s New Mexico where Bill Richardson is, I’m there if Crist doesn’t win here in Florida. If not then I’ll move to Puerto Rico.
Comment by Baltar — August 26, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
Maria #56 is in New Mexico. Bienvenidos todos.
August 26th, 2006 at 3:39 pmMaria (aka freebird),
August 26th, 2006 at 3:44 pmHow’s Bill Richardson doing? I heard he’s a pretty good Governor. Crist doesn’t win and the Racsist Gallagher or Davis wins, I’m leavibg. How’s the job market in New Mexico?
Either way, I know you Lefties like Juan C, Worfeus, Madashell, Coffins draped and nym@alias.net hate me and my worldview. But we can all agree on one thing. Pat Buchanan is an asshole and he should be shot or hanged!
August 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pm“The Left does control, the media.”
First, learn what leftist political ideology is, it has nothing to do with islam……….., and have you
August 26th, 2006 at 4:01 pmever been to Iran?? Plus I would not consider democrats part of the left. And your rants remind me of 17 year old kids on myspace who know nothing about the world………………
“First, learn what leftist political ideology is, it has nothing to do with islam…”
Yes it does, the International Left is allied with the Islamic Jihadis. That’s why when an Islamic state is attack the leftists press and the loser protesters go out cry and whine!
August 26th, 2006 at 4:07 pmGeorge Gallowy congratulated Hizb’Allah. that and the Prio-Islamic posts here prove the Islamic0-Jihadi alliance.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:17 pmBaltar you are a biggot yourself, ironically people are what they hate. Do you realize there are many christians in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq? As well as jews. Who have lived there peacefully.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:19 pmWake up!! Go to school and take a geography and anthropology class please!!!
Pat Buchanan is an asshole and he should be shot or hanged!
Comment by Baltar
So then tell us, Doctor. Do you want to assimilate or not? Because you speak of favoring “Latin unity” and that doesn’t sound like someone who wants to assimilate; it sounds like someone who wants to stay separate. You speak of wanting to do things for people like yourself. Are you not a human being? Why don’t you think of yourself as a human being first and some arbitrary subdivision second?
August 26th, 2006 at 4:27 pmYeah, Baltar in case you haven’t read your own posts, you are the perfect example that Buchanan is speaking about. You cling to your culture as better than anyone else’s, you’re going to move unless someone that supports your culture wins….are you sure you’re not Pat Buchanan?
August 26th, 2006 at 4:31 pmWayne A. Schneider,
August 26th, 2006 at 4:40 pmGrowing up in NY I was constantly reminded I’m a “Minority” that need the progressive governmnet to help me. I read the history of my ancestors and realized that I don’t some Anglo’s help to make it. I encounterd racism from Democratic Blue Collar white ethnics (that love Mr. Clinton) and had to fight them to taech them a lesson! I used to go to Miami on vacation and see the political and economic power that Hispanics in Florida had. It made me do alot of think. I faced decrimination at my job and got sick of it. I moved down to Florida 3 years ago and love it. I’ve had 2 promotions and live aquality of life that I couldn’t never achieve in NY. I don’t ahve to deal with Racsism. In fact down here the Whites kiss our asses and people think all Spanish people have money! I love Florida! That’s why Iw asnt a seperate Hispanic party so bothew the Reps and the Dem swould have to negotiate with us we we would ally ourselves with whoever gioves us the better deal!
“Baltar you are a biggot yourself, ironically people are what they hate. Do you realize there are many christians in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq? As well as jews. Who have lived there peacefully.”
Yeah right as second class Dhimmis! I have a Christian Lebanese friend that hates Muslims more than me. Maronites aren’t Arbas they are decended from the Indegenous Phoenicians that inhabited that country for 4000 years . the Islamic Arabs are Imperialistic Genocidal invaders that stole Christian land. So now they’re suffering! Payback is a bitch. I do hate Islam and their phoney Prophet Mohamed(May his Soul butn in hell)! who was a Genocidal Pedophile!
August 26th, 2006 at 4:43 pmBuchanans opinions mean nothing to me however he’s right on this one.
I work for an International Company and talk with people from all over the world.
Mexicans are the only culture that expect us to speak a language other than english.
I’m not kidding. I get se habla espanol all the time. Not once has anyone from any other country asked me to speak anything but english.
More than likely the Mexicans that call me are in the U.S. I cant recall receiving a single order from Mexico.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:45 pmMany people deal with bigotry not just hispanics..
August 26th, 2006 at 4:46 pmOkay, Baltar,
Do you want to assimilate or do you want to stay separate? That was my question.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:47 pmSuzy Q,
August 26th, 2006 at 4:48 pmScrew you and Buchanan. Us latins are in this country and there’s nothing you or that jerk can do about it! we aren’t the Jews of germany in the 30’s we won’t sit idly by and let Racist Anglos like you try to remove us. We’ll fight and drown this country in blood if we have too!
Wayne A. Schneider ,
August 26th, 2006 at 4:51 pmI will never abandon my Hispanic culuture. I want to stay Seperate so that way we get respect and aren’t traeted like 2nd class citizens as we are in NY. By being Seperate like the Quebecois in Canada we’ll have greater economic and political power as it will force the Reps and Dems to share power with us.
I want to remain seperate!
OK, if we didn’t already know, Baltar is gone. There’s a screw loose. Nobody’s home. The sound of one neuron clapping.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:53 pmYou are delusional……………..Where have you read your history from? One sided: christians are the saints from heaven who give glorious goods to everyone, along with killing every non-christian in jerusalem.
August 26th, 2006 at 4:54 pmSee Baltar, the point of CIVILIZATION is to grow beyond bigotry, war, racism, and all those negative feelings and attitudes. Since we’ve hit the 21st century, could you catch up to the rest of us?
August 26th, 2006 at 4:54 pmI meant that to be sarcastic……
August 26th, 2006 at 5:02 pmWhat’s with this Baltar guy? He’s all over the map.
August 26th, 2006 at 5:04 pm“We do Marches arm ourselves and prepare to defend ourselves!”
Against giant dung beetles????????
August 26th, 2006 at 5:06 pmGod is a Nihilist,
August 26th, 2006 at 5:07 pmNo against the Racist Nativist Right and the Ignorant Blue Collar White Democrats!
Baltar,
I want to remain seperate!
Pat Buchanan is an asshole and he should be shot or hanged!
Why do you think Pat Buchanan is an asshole? he said that people like you do not want to assimilate. I prefer to think it’s not true of everyone, but I could be wrong. You, however, seem to confirm what he said. So why do you denounce him?
August 26th, 2006 at 5:10 pmScrew you and Buchanan. Us latins are in this country and there’s nothing you or that jerk can do about it!
And by being here and so proud of it you put me and all other Americans on a pedestal.
Immigrants who come to America begging for work and a better life are saying that our country is better than theres so why wouldn’t an American feel superior?
The more you beg and risk life and limb to be in America the more superior Americans become.
August 26th, 2006 at 5:21 pmSuzy Q,
August 26th, 2006 at 5:25 pmIn South Florida we call the shots. We did it without help from Anglos!
Maria (aka freebird),today! Or Baltar here he’s gonna stalk you.
Comment by Maria — August 26, 2006 @ 3:54 pm
I do not agree with Baltar’s politics. To say that we should segregate ourselves from other Americans is wrong.
August 26th, 2006 at 5:29 pm#183 Baltar is a moron troll? Sure, but this guy seems to be a nutcase, too. There just isn’t much sense to anything he says.
August 26th, 2006 at 5:36 pmBuchanan and Lou Dobbs clearly believe that our nation is going down the tubes on the shoulders of illegals. Too bad for them the neocon administration sorely needs the ilegals to destroy the middle class and all the trade unions. It’s all about cheap labor.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:23 pmBuchanan is a patriot and a true conservative.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:30 pmTo waste your time to try and smear the true conservative part of the right is foolish. You should devote your time to smear neocons and those who put us square inside every mess overseas. As Buchanan rightly said – terrorists are here because we are over there.
Here is Pat on the aggressive and foolish attack by Israel on Lebanon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw
August 26th, 2006 at 6:30 pmAs Buchanan rightly said – terrorists are here because we are over there.
Comment by Pat Buchanan Supporter — August 26, 2006 @ 6:30 pm
But I thought we were fighting them over there so we wouldn’t have to fight them here.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:32 pmTHE DANGERS OF IMMIGRATION FROM THE SOUTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpGHF-HNDaY
bE aFRAID, BE vERY aFRIAd
August 26th, 2006 at 6:32 pmWayne A. Schneider
nO, THAT’S A bUSH/NEOCON LINE THAT absolutely makes no sense.
August 26th, 2006 at 6:33 pmI want to remind you that the reason for the 9-11 attack is our foolish and idiotic policy to let Israel do whatever they want. In addition we’re putting up western bases in Arab countries. That’s bound to upset people. Let’s make our HOME a Castle and F the world. More money to homeland defense instead of some ridiculous war in Iraq
August 26th, 2006 at 6:35 pm[...] Buchanan: Hispanics Do Not Wish To Assimilate August 26th, 2006 Buchanan Falsely Claims That Hispanics ‘Do Not Wish To Assimilate’ One of Pat Buchanan’s key claims in his new book, State of Emergency, is that Mexicans “prefer to remain outsiders†and “do not wish to assimilate.†Yesterday on Glenn Beck, Buchanan reiterated this argument, claiming that “the road to culture is language†and “they want to keep their Spanish language.†Watch it: @ http://thinkprogress.org Hispanics are assimilating in other ways as well. 32% of second-generation Hispanics marry outside their race, as does 57% of the third generation. Hispanics enlist in the United States military at a greater percentage than whites. [...]
August 26th, 2006 at 7:01 pm#158: But I thought we were fighting them over there so we wouldn’t have to fight them here.
Actually, we’re fighting them here, there, and everywhere so that we won’t have to fight them here, there, and everywhere. Don’t you get it?
August 26th, 2006 at 8:21 pm#156: You should devote your time to smear neocons and those who put us square inside every mess overseas.
I don’t believe in “smearing” anyone. I do, however, believe in holding people accountable when they do or say stupid things. I would never “smear” Buchanan, but I know he’s wrong about Hispanics, and I’m glad that Think Progress is taking him to task.
August 26th, 2006 at 8:30 pm#135: I’m going to respectfully disagree with your apparent definition of “troll.” To me a “troll” is someone who is obsessively and rigidly contrary, just for the sake of being argumentative (or in mindless service of a political ideology). Some of the people you’ve listed (Mighty Aphrodite, Mr. Big) fit this description. Others don’t. I have had several productive “convsersations” with Chase, for example. Just because someone disagrees with Think Progress doesn’t necessarily make him or her a troll.
August 26th, 2006 at 8:36 pmOh, James, holding people accountable? How about the war? How about Lebanon?
August 26th, 2006 at 11:04 pmI read this on another blog this evening: Shocking!
August 26th, 2006 at 11:37 pm
[...] Buchanon’s new book suggests that Mexicans that “prefer to remain outsiders†and “do not wish to assimilate.†You can get some stats and whatnot at Think Progress that would seem to indicate that Buchanon is wrong, however that is not the point of this post. [...]
August 27th, 2006 at 12:45 am#168: Oh, James, holding people accountable? How about the war? How about Lebanon?
As for the war, I think that there’s been a serious lack of accountability. I think Rumsfeld should be fired, and I think that both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offenses. And that’s just the beginning.
I’m not sure what you mean, specifically, about Lebanon, but I think both Hezbollah and the Israeli government bear responsibility for the death and destruction there. In an indirect way, I think that the Bush administration bears some responsibility for its failure to act as an honest broker in the region, and for stirring up anti-Israeli and anti-American sentiment.
Not sure if that answers your questions, since your questions were vague.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:10 amJames, if we had a responsible president in office Lebanon would not have happened. Clinton called up Syria during his time in office and demanded Hezbollah stop attacking. I totally agree that Bush bears some responsiblilty. If we had an actual foreign policy with and actual diplomatic corp we could have averted it.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:39 amwhy when i disagree with the idea of all mexicans coming here does it flag me and not let me post?
August 27th, 2006 at 8:51 am“I want to remind you that the reason for the 9-11 attack is our foolish and idiotic policy to let Israel do whatever they want.â€
Comment by Pat Buchanan Supporter — August 26, 2006 @ 6:35 pm
Blame in the Jews, eh? STUPID_A$$ ANTI-SEMITE!! You are ignornat to the phucking core!!!
— uh sorry but the “Disagree-with-Israel-and-you’re-n-antisemite” is old and boring already. It doesn’t work anymore. You actually have to come up with arguments now about why we have to babysit and support that nation when it clearly doesnt respect any treaties and invades other nations.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:01 amDixie blood – if I ever saw a troll on a forum, it is you. You blatanly try to label people and stir up controversy. Maybe you’re bored or something. Troll!
August 27th, 2006 at 9:02 amHere’s a video regarding the dis-assimilation of Mexicans in the USA. Pat Buchanan is right – they all speak spanish at home not English. At least Irish immigrants spoke English at home so they didn’t cause the fracture of a nation.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:04 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpGHF-HNDaY
james said: “I’m glad that Think Progress is taking him to task.”
Well TP takes anyone to task that is not ultra left wing ;-) Actually the TP position on Iraq is exactly the same as that of Buchanan. In a weird way, REAL conservatives feel we never should have been in Iraq at all…which is the ultra-left position as well.
August 27th, 2006 at 9:09 amHey Im working on a Pat Buchanan video. If any of you know where I can DL some clips of him talking – please mail me to give the links or paste them here thx!
August 27th, 2006 at 9:10 amstar_spangled_horrors@yahoo.com
#178
Who cares
August 27th, 2006 at 9:41 amI theenk Lopez and Hugo and the goooast of Ponchoo Villa are planning to claim the southwest US as the new Latin America of Meheeko and let the Greengoos peek thee hot peppers.
Be very afeered Senior Buchanan. We are comeeng to your neborwhood.
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August 27th, 2006 at 10:11 am#179: Well TP takes anyone to task that is not ultra left wing ;-)
If agreeing with Think Progress on most issues is “ultra left wing,” then I’m happy to be that, too. To me it seems pretty moderate to support things like a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, a hike in the minimum wage, and refraining from race baiting.
Actually the TP position on Iraq is exactly the same as that of Buchanan.
Just because I agree with Buchanan on this issue doesn’t mean I like Buchanan.
In a weird way, REAL conservatives feel we never should have been in Iraq at all…which is the ultra-left position as well.
Exactly how is this “weird”? This sounds to me like a sane position. The “weird” view is the continued insistence on “staying the course,” even as we head for the edge of the cliff.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:58 am#178: Pat Buchanan is right – they all speak spanish at home not English.
So, what would you suggest? Passing a law to force people not to speak languages other than English in their homes?
August 27th, 2006 at 11:00 am#172: [I]f we had a responsible president in office Lebanon would not have happened.
I happen to agree with you, but I acknowledge that there’s no way this can be proven definitively. The U.S. has a very important role to play, but we are just one of many players who will ultimately determine the fate of the Middle East. Even if we’d handled things right, the violence might have happened anyway.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:05 amSo, what would you suggest? Passing a law to force people not to speak languages other than English in their homes?
No but I dont want any dork telling me that they are assimilating ok? They’re clearly NOT
August 27th, 2006 at 12:13 pmTP is ultra left wing. Nothing moderate about TP lmao Period.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:15 pmBe very afeered Senior Buchanan. We are comeeng to your neborwhood.
You’re trying to represent the mexicans and immigrant and with your silly post you’re perpetuating a stereotype so you’re more racist than 1000 David Duke’s put together.
The point I also want to make is that Buchanan lives in an exclusive neighborhood and to be there, latinos must have a work permit to be a nanny there or pool cleaner whatever
August 27th, 2006 at 12:17 pmNo wonder why these whackjobs had to invent a paradise after death and a father-figure god to make it all better – their lives must be utterly MISERABLE!
August 27th, 2006 at 1:03 pmNo but I dont want any dork telling me that they are assimilating ok? They’re clearly NOT
Comment by Pat Buchanan Supporter — August 27, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
The standard that recent immigrants must abandon Spanish and speak Enligsh at home is wholly unrealistic. So much, that no other group of non-English speaking immigrants has achieved it.
Had you bothered to read before posting, you would have realised that by the third generation the majority of Americans of Hispanic ancestry speak English at home. This mirrors the pattern of previous immigration waves, whether Chinese, Polish, or German. The fact that most Hispanics marry non-Hispanics also indicates they are assimilating.
You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:45 pmAs an example to solidify what Gregor just pointed out:
I am third generation American on my father’s side. Italian was spoken in his home growing up, but the only time he sever poke Italian in our home was when he was cursing…
He said that we were Americans, and that Americans speak English, even though he was bilingual. I had to study it in college to learn Italian… he only ever taught me two or three words.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:51 pmThanks unbelievable. A scenario like your family is exactly what I had in mind.
I see the exact same pattern in my friends whose families immigrated 2 or 3 generations ago, or who are immigrants themselves, whether Japanese, Chinese, Indian, French, or Hispanic, but it is only Hispanics who are singled out. I think the knowledge that the SouthWest was once Mexican is behind all this anti-Hispanic xenophobic anxiety.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:41 pmOn my father’s side, I am 5th generation German and on my mother’s side I am 4th and 3rd generation German. Pure German was spoken in my mother’s childhood household, pseudo German in my father’s childhood household. Outside the household,they dealt in American English. In my childhood household, there were about 40 German phrases bandied about, but English was the language of choice. In my children’s household, German was almost entirely absent until we were on assignment and all of my sons became semi-proficient in the language, but do not use it in the US, unless writing to their German friends. Letters to Germany go in German and replies are in English.
In this, I am trying to say that language assimilation does not occur in a single generation. Buchanan is full of crap. His forebears probably went through the same assimilation process as mine. He just refuses to recognize their struggle.
August 27th, 2006 at 4:57 pm187: TP is ultra left wing. Nothing moderate about TP lmao Period.
I see. So, if you use bold face and end with the word “period,” that means you’re REALLY serious, which means that whatever you say must be true. Well, I’m persuaded now. Well done.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:09 pm#186: No but I dont want any dork telling me that they are assimilating ok? They’re clearly NOT
I’ll be sure to tell that to the Hispanic students in my English classes. I’m sure it will be very helpful to them to learn that they do not wish to assimilate, according to you and Pat Buchanan. Because I’m sure you know better than they do.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:12 pmFor what it is worth German-Americans did not want to give up their culture either and anyone of German ancestry should learn about how it felt to be forced to stop using your language even for religious and cultural events before they begin to harrass persons of other cultures. Wanting to assimilate has nothing to do with keeping you own culture alive for your family. There is nothing wrong with remembering your ancestry.
August 28th, 2006 at 12:55 amIt occurs to me that we might not have so much hostility in this country toward people who don’t speak English if we Americans were more open-minded and intellectually curious enough to want to learn other languages. But since we have so many people who lack intellectual curiosity, they believe the solution is that other people learn to speak American English. (If they learned to speak the Queen’s English, too many Americans would still have trouble understanding them.) These ignorant people might argue, “Why should I have to learn to speak their language? Why can’t they just be made to learn English?” To this I would only say, “Why do you not want to learn new things?”
August 28th, 2006 at 8:23 amSurprised at how many people cannot face reality and deal with the thruth.
What most Americans want (and virtually every poll has shown this as an overwhelming majoirty) is a stop to illegal immigration period, for a handful of reasons.
Illegal immigrants are a HUGE drain on this U.S. economy (over 20 billion dollar deficit a year). Both by their use of government services (food assistance program and medicaid) and by their lax of tax payments. Those are facts. No disputing them whatsoever. (Center for Immigraton studies).
One of the reasons for that lack of contribution on their part is lack of education, again a fact that cannt be questioned.
Illegal immigrants also make up a huge part of our prisons, and are involved in an astonishing number of crimes both violent and non violent. Right now the largest and most dangerous gang in the world resides mostly inside the U.S., started and run by illegal aliens to the U.S.
Assimilation is not a priority what so ever, not to say some don’t or some don’t want to but the proof is in the pudding. If they truly wanted to be a breathing living part of the U.S. they would walk over to the nearest U.S. Embassy and grab an application for citizenship or do what ever they could to become a citizen through the proper legal channels. Illegal aliens want the better life the U.S. offers but are not willing to earn it, they just want it and feel they are entitled to it just b/c they want it, well they are wrong and the momentum has changed. The American people will not allow it and soon life for an illegal alien will become a lot tougher. Life for those outside U.S. borders that are planning on entering illegally will become extremely tough.
Too many people confuse” immigrant” with “illegal alien” in these discussions, that is just a plain showing of lack of knowledge on the subject and lack of true understanding of the subject.
Botton line is an illegal alien is a criminal period, just by definition. The exact second that illegal alien steps foot on U.S. soil they have committed a crime against the U.S. government and the citizens of the United States.
The apologists can whine all they want but they have NO argument their arguments hold as much water as a thimble.
Good intentions and having a tough life somewhere else DO NOT entitle them to ANYTHING the U.S. has to offer. There is not ONE excuse why illegal aliens cannot get in line and attain legal citizenship like all the other immigrants that are in line waiting right now.
August 28th, 2006 at 11:09 amThe fact that only 46% of hispanic children are English dominant proves Pat’s point. Forty-six percent!
August 28th, 2006 at 12:34 pmFolks, he is not saying that Hispanics don’t learn English, they do. What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish. As a South Floridian I can confirm this. Hispanics just love their little latino fraternity more than they want to become 100% American.
The fact that only 46% of hispanic children are English dominant proves Pat’s point. Forty-six percent!
Comment by paul ramondt — August 28, 2006 @ 12:34 pm
No it doesn’t. It actually disproves it: If Hispanics didn’t wish to assimilate, they wouldn’t teach English to their kids. Not to mention that that percentage shoots up to 78% by the third generation, again, disproving what Buchanan said because assimilation is not instantaneous but done across generations. As it has always been the case.
Folks, he is not saying that Hispanics don’t learn English, they do. What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish.
I see: A true American is a monolingual, English-only person.
The fact that someone can be American and speak more than one language is a possibility you have never entertained.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:05 pmNo it doesn’t. It actually disproves it: If Hispanics didn’t wish to assimilate, they wouldn’t teach English to their kids. Not to mention that that percentage shoots up to 78% by the third generation, again, disproving what Buchanan said because assimilation is not instantaneous but done across generations. As it has always been the case.
It disproves nothing. NO need to single out a certain group of people here so why bring up hispanics folks, let’s tick to illegal immigrants (no matter why they originated) IF they wished to assimilate they would either attempt to become legal residents or even if they were not legal and still remained illegal they would attempt to pay their taxes like the rest of legal America HAS to. The “they do wish to assimilate” argument falls falt on its face the instant they cross our border illegally, fact is if they wished to they would and ALL the numbers prove that the vast majority do not. . Also hate to break this to people but language IS culture. Go listen to some of the leaders of forgeign born organizations in the U.S., they actually come out an preach that assimilation is not necessary on the illegal or legal immigrants part, that is just plain bullshit.
Using he “why don’t Americans wish to learn another language” argument is alos pathetic. Many Americans do but regardless they do not need to not should have to to associate in their own country in which ENglish is the language of the people.
Folks, he is not saying that Hispanics don’t learn English, they do. What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish.
He is right, Pat is not saying they cannot speak it or use it, Pat is suggesting that these immigrants (whether legal or illegal) NEED to speak English to assimilate and further themselves in a country that is overwhelmingly dominant in the English laguage.
I see: A true American is a monolingual, English-only person.
The fact that someone can be American and speak more than one language is a possibility you have never entertained.
Nobody is saying that, and the apologists always try to play that card to no avail. It is a moot point.
Again, Americans learn multiple languages all the time, hence it being requirements and electives in high schools and colleges across the U.S. But Americans should be put in the position in which they NEED to learn another language to accomodate a people that have no legal rights to be in their hoeland (that speaks English), that goes for illegal aliens of any origin.
It is also known that immigrants, whether legal or illegal, that do not learn Enlgish well the majority of the time do not get higher than low skilled low paying jobs, hence the remain in or at poverty levels.
Those are all moot points anyway, the entire argument for illegal aliens stops the second they cross the U.S. border illegally, they are criminals and should be deported with no questoins asked.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:23 pmNO need to single out a certain group of people here so why bring up hispanics folks, let’s tick to illegal immigrants
Comment by don — August 28, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
This thread is about what Buchanan said. And he was talking about Mexicans. He also said “Mexicans prefer to remain outsiders”, without mentioning their legal status in the US.
You want to talk about illegal immigrants then, well, this conversation is over.
Nobody is saying that, and the apologists always try to play that card to no avail.
You said it. You want Hispanics to forget Spanish. Let me quote you: “What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish”. Buchanan also said it: “they want to keep their Spanish language”, as if speaking both Spanish and English were a bad thing. Because they are learning English while retaining Spanish. Once again, by the third generation 78% are English dominant. And again, this is not a new phenomena or particular to Hispanics. Scroll up and read the comments by posters who shared their family’s history.
Buchanan did not mention legal status. He was talking about all Hispanics, and Mexicans in particular.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:43 pmYou said it. You want Hispanics to forget Spanish. Let me quote you: “What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish.
Before you add your opinions in the future maybe you should get your facts straight, you can start with increasing your credibility by knowing who said what and quoting someone correctly. Care to show me where I said what you claim I said?
BTW the issue at hand is illelgal immigration not legal immigration, so yes, this conversation is directly related to illegal immigration, and I bet I can guess why you would skip out on that conversation.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:57 pmCare to show me where I said what you claim I said?
Comment by don — August 28, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
Oops.. .wrong quote from the other poster… you said: “Pat is suggesting that these immigrants (whether legal or illegal) NEED to speak English to assimilate”. As the statistics show, Hispanic immigrants are learning English. Retaining Spanish is not a bad thing as long as they learn Enligsh.
BTW the issue at hand is illelgal immigration not legal immigration, so yes, this conversation is directly related to illegal immigration,
So, when Buchanan says “Mexicans prefer to remain outsiders” he equates Mexicans with illegal immigrants? Do you?
and I bet I can guess why you would skip out on that conversation.
I bet you can’t because you’re assuming too much.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:10 pmSo, when Buchanan says “Mexicans prefer to remain outsiders†he equates Mexicans with illegal immigrants? Do you?
The issue at hand in this country is illegal immigration which is why Pat is speaking out.
For the most par t I do associate illegal aliens with Mexicans however illegal aliens from any country should be turned back regardless. But do you know why illegal alien is associated with Mexican, b/c it is a n overwhelming fact that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are Mexicans, care to take a stab at the number, b/c I know what it is?
August 28th, 2006 at 2:16 pmFor the most par t I do associate illegal aliens with Mexicans
Comment by don — August 28, 2006 @ 2:16 pm
It is true that most illegal aliens are of Mexican origin, but they are not the vast majority.
And the opposite is not true either: The vast majority of Hispanics in the US are legal residents or citizens. Mexicans included. Check the demographic data on Americans of Hispanic origin (about 43 million) against the number of illegal aliens.
In a nutshell, to paint 43 million people with a wide brush as nothing but a bunch of illegal aliens is widely off the mark.
When both you and Buchanan say “Hispanics are not assimilating” you are referring to all those people, some of whom have been in the US for generations. But both you and Buchanan would rather make them to be foreigners.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:47 pmIt is true that most illegal aliens are of Mexican origin, but they are not the vast majority.
Wrong, do your homework I have for years and years. Mexicans are by FAR the vast majority of illegal immigrants. Here is just one reference, I can list more and more of real detailed substance. The numbers are actually believed to be as high as 70%.
You want to discuss a group of people that you feel is painted with a broad brush well then no problem, I got the facts and they are undisputed.
Just one example here you go:
I would suggest you stop using Wikipedia as a legit source of info, for it is a user rewritable means of info that is usually not very credible. If you don’t know what I mean than look at it this way, a 12 year old can make an entry into wikipedia and it can be taken as fact. So try again. The most non partisan and objective source of info. on immigration for legal and illegal studies is my reference.
Lets get to the crux of the matter, the topic brought up by Pat is assimilation.
Here is the definitoin of assimilation:
The fact that they do not pay the appropriate taxes and the fact they receive U.S. governement services without being an accountable part of the U.S. system proves they are not willing to assimilate, period.
Here again is the info:
You have no argument against any of this, your opinion is just that an opinion and it cannot compete with the actual FACTS.
Yor lack of knowledge on the subject reigns supreme, and even Google cannot help you out.
The association of illegal aliens equals Mexicans is more than legit and the claim that Mexicans do not wish to assimilate is more than reasonable and ALL the number s prove it.
But again as I have said the discussion needs to go no farther than once a person that is not a legal cxitizen crossed the U.S. border without proper papers or citizenship status all arguments are moot, that person is illegal and is now subject to no defense, they are deportable on the spot.
You can continue to reply but no matter how often you do and no matter what you reply with you cannot get past that FACTS, so acknowledge that fact and move on b/c you are under manned, not only b/c you bring nothing substantial or legit to the discussion but b/c this issue is my life, over 9 hours a day.
August 28th, 2006 at 7:10 pmI apologize for the above post with it being in link format, you will need to click on many different paragraphs to get the link information.
I am not familiar with this sites usage of the link function.
August 28th, 2006 at 7:14 pmIf we are a nation of laws, what sense is there in giving amnesty to illegal immigrants (again)? That encourages more lawlessness? By what right does the illegal immigrant live in our country? Some people have the mistaken opinion that the illegal immigrant’s rights are being infringed. If a person is here illegally, our rights are being infringed, not his/hers. Millions of people have patienty waited for legal citizenship. Now some want to say, “they were fools to come through the front door.” It is .
People from all over this world are taking advantage of our generosity and want to come here for the opportunity. It is our responsibility to guard the prosperity and to nurture the generosity so that we can continue to offer the opportunity. We are the land of opportunity precisely because we are not like everybody else. Our institutions and our heritage has set us apart, for better. The USA is imperfect, with an imperfect past, but we remain on balance a positive force for progress in human affairs.
Politicians on both sides who use negative labels, put-downs and name-calling are not leading us in the right direction. We need leaders who exercise wisdom not the bully pulpit. We need leaders who will work to preseve and defend this nation.
“It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us…..that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” A. Lincoln
August 28th, 2006 at 11:28 pmNice post Mike.
August 29th, 2006 at 11:21 am[...] And don’t forget his claim that “Mexicans don’t want to assimilate” into American culture (96% of Mexican-born Americans do). [...]
August 30th, 2006 at 1:58 amYou’re quoting a blog, that is like quoting a conversation that takes place at a bridge game between 4 old ladies.
See the fact is you cannot come up with data to show 96% of Mexican born Americans do assimilate. However what can be shown in data is want immigratns (legal and illegal) do not do to assimilate.
In the U.S. we pay taxes, well most illegal immigrants do not, so that is one area where they do not assimilate, a pretty important one to considering they STILL are willing to receive the welfare and free service the U.S. government provides to them.
Another thing they do not do is receive a high enough level of education, many (maybe most) do not graduate from high school, in America it is EXTREMEMLY important you graduate from high school, especially when it comes to getting a job, that is another area in which they do not assimilate, another rather important area as well.
To see the data for yourselves go to center for immigration sudies website, it is very comprehensive and the data they have found is EYE OPENING to say the least.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:57 am“don” portrays himself as some kind of objective researcher and expert on Mexican immigrants. He criticizes others for using dubious sources, but admits that his primary source is the Center for Immigration Studies, which is anything but unbiased on immigration. According to their own mission statement, “The Center is animated by a pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted.” (Emphasis mine.) It’s also easy to find out about their history as a support think tank for FAIR, a blatantly anti-immigration (legal and otherwise) organization. To me, their self-professed bias makes them a waste of time as far as being a source of data (but that’s just me I guess.)
However, don shamelessly pulls and exaggerates factoids from this website, which is replete with filtered anti-immigration and anti-Mexican factoids. If you want true facts on immigration (not junk disposable factoids), go to the real research “fact tank” organizations like the Pew Hispanic Center, or Zogby International. There are a few others, but unfortunately for xenophobes like don, real facts from legitimate unbiased sources rarely support their preconceived notions, and when they do, they distort, exaggerate or filter out the stuff that doesn’t jive. That’s why their “research” consists of searching high and low cherry picking factoids that support what they’ve already concluded – kind of an bass-ackwards way of formulating an argument. Their idols and role models are the junk journalist media superstars like Buchanan, O-Reilly, Dobbs, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc, etc. who employ the same tactics to purvey fear and hatred toward non-white minority groups. They’ve achieved superstar celebrity status and high ratings for their networks by feeding the fear of the gullible, naive masses like “don”. I believe there’s a special place in hell for people who enjoy a privileged status, and knowingly lie and distort the truth to generate hatred towards specific groups of non-privileged people, who already have it pretty damn tough as it is. It takes discipline and integrity to check sources and discard anything with an obvious bias, even when it supports one’s preconceived beliefs.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 amPat has seen one too many Lou Dobbs shows. And he is, after
September 9th, 2006 at 11:54 pmall trying to sell a book. He could have chosen to do a book on his own
position about the War in Iraq. But the distraction from real issues needs
to be kept alive and in the news cycle. Or it could be Pat just has a little
mean streak running thru him. After all as a child he was taught like so
many from his generation that his church and his values were the real
ones, and yes you could pray for others outside the faith but his ideals
were still better. There was plenty of examples of prejuidiced to go
around as we see how his views of Gays are to name one. But, I’ll
conclude with something Pat probably deals with today like so many,
how you were treated by your own family can explain away alot of the
hatefulness that comes out in these books. By todays standards some
would say Pat was an abused child. Forced into the role of the bully early
on by a parent who would be ready adminster punishment if he learned
Pat didn’t pound his opponent brutally. Still, Pat should know a majority
of Mexicans are Catholic just like him. And for some reason that says
something about Pat also….
[...] Immigration poses no threat to English use in the United States, despite right-wing claims. “Based on an analysis of language loss over the generations, the study concludes that English has never been seriously threatened as the dominant language in America, nor is it under threat today,” concludes a new study. [...]
September 13th, 2006 at 9:19 amNot sure how it’s a “false claim” that Mexicans don’t wish to assimilate. It’s clear as day by their (in)actions and it’s a part of their whole plan to reconquer America.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:07 pm[...] Buchanan Falsely Claims That Hispanics ‘Do Not Wish To Assimilate’[thinkprogress.org] [...]
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