Sounds like an idea of the month!

I just wanted to write to say that you have a great site and a wonderful resource for all to share.

However, don shamelessly pulls and exaggerates factoids from this website, which is replete with filtered anti-immigration and anti-Mexican factoids. If you want true facts on immigration (not junk disposable factoids), go to the real research “fact tank” organizations like the Pew Hispanic Center, or Zogby International. There are a few others, but unfortunately for xenophobes like don, real facts from legitimate unbiased sources rarely support their preconceived notions, and when they do, they distort, exaggerate or filter out the stuff that doesn’t jive. That’s why their “research” consists of searching high and low cherry picking factoids that support what they’ve already concluded – kind of an bass-ackwards way of formulating an argument. Their idols and role models are the junk journalist media superstars like Buchanan, O-Reilly, Dobbs, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc, etc. who employ the same tactics to purvey fear and hatred toward non-white minority groups. They’ve achieved superstar celebrity status and high ratings for their networks by feeding the fear of the gullible, naive masses like “don”. I believe there’s a special place in hell for people who enjoy a privileged status, and knowingly lie and distort the truth to generate hatred towards specific groups of non-privileged people, who already have it pretty damn tough as it is. It takes discipline and integrity to check sources and discard anything with an obvious bias, even when it supports one’s preconceived beliefs.

See the fact is you cannot come up with data to show 96% of Mexican born Americans do assimilate. However what can be shown in data is want immigratns (legal and illegal) do not do to assimilate.

To see the data for yourselves go to center for immigration sudies website, it is very comprehensive and the data they have found is EYE OPENING to say the least.

People from all over this world are taking advantage of our generosity and want to come here for the opportunity. It is our responsibility to guard the prosperity and to nurture the generosity so that we can continue to offer the opportunity. We are the land of opportunity precisely because we are not like everybody else. Our institutions and our heritage has set us apart, for better. The USA is imperfect, with an imperfect past, but we remain on balance a positive force for progress in human affairs.

Politicians on both sides who use negative labels, put-downs and name-calling are not leading us in the right direction. We need leaders who exercise wisdom not the bully pulpit. We need leaders who will work to preseve and defend this nation.

“It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us…..that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” A. Lincoln

I am not familiar with this sites usage of the link function.

Just one example here you go:

Here is the definitoin of assimilation:

Here again is the info:

You can continue to reply but no matter how often you do and no matter what you reply with you cannot get past that FACTS, so acknowledge that fact and move on b/c you are under manned, not only b/c you bring nothing substantial or legit to the discussion but b/c this issue is my life, over 9 hours a day.

It is true that most illegal aliens are of Mexican origin, but they are not the vast majority.

And the opposite is not true either: The vast majority of Hispanics in the US are legal residents or citizens. Mexicans included. Check the demographic data on Americans of Hispanic origin (about 43 million) against the number of illegal aliens.

In a nutshell, to paint 43 million people with a wide brush as nothing but a bunch of illegal aliens is widely off the mark.

When both you and Buchanan say “Hispanics are not assimilating” you are referring to all those people, some of whom have been in the US for generations. But both you and Buchanan would rather make them to be foreigners.

For the most par t I do associate illegal aliens with Mexicans however illegal aliens from any country should be turned back regardless. But do you know why illegal alien is associated with Mexican, b/c it is a n overwhelming fact that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are Mexicans, care to take a stab at the number, b/c I know what it is?

Oops.. .wrong quote from the other poster… you said: “Pat is suggesting that these immigrants (whether legal or illegal) NEED to speak English to assimilate”. As the statistics show, Hispanic immigrants are learning English. Retaining Spanish is not a bad thing as long as they learn Enligsh.

BTW the issue at hand is illelgal immigration not legal immigration, so yes, this conversation is directly related to illegal immigration,

So, when Buchanan says “Mexicans prefer to remain outsiders” he equates Mexicans with illegal immigrants? Do you?

and I bet I can guess why you would skip out on that conversation.

I bet you can’t because you’re assuming too much.

Before you add your opinions in the future maybe you should get your facts straight, you can start with increasing your credibility by knowing who said what and quoting someone correctly. Care to show me where I said what you claim I said?

BTW the issue at hand is illelgal immigration not legal immigration, so yes, this conversation is directly related to illegal immigration, and I bet I can guess why you would skip out on that conversation.

This thread is about what Buchanan said. And he was talking about Mexicans. He also said “Mexicans prefer to remain outsiders”, without mentioning their legal status in the US.

You want to talk about illegal immigrants then, well, this conversation is over.

Nobody is saying that, and the apologists always try to play that card to no avail.

You said it. You want Hispanics to forget Spanish. Let me quote you: “What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish”. Buchanan also said it: “they want to keep their Spanish language”, as if speaking both Spanish and English were a bad thing. Because they are learning English while retaining Spanish. Once again, by the third generation 78% are English dominant. And again, this is not a new phenomena or particular to Hispanics. Scroll up and read the comments by posters who shared their family’s history.

Buchanan did not mention legal status. He was talking about all Hispanics, and Mexicans in particular.

It disproves nothing. NO need to single out a certain group of people here so why bring up hispanics folks, let’s tick to illegal immigrants (no matter why they originated) IF they wished to assimilate they would either attempt to become legal residents or even if they were not legal and still remained illegal they would attempt to pay their taxes like the rest of legal America HAS to. The “they do wish to assimilate” argument falls falt on its face the instant they cross our border illegally, fact is if they wished to they would and ALL the numbers prove that the vast majority do not. . Also hate to break this to people but language IS culture. Go listen to some of the leaders of forgeign born organizations in the U.S., they actually come out an preach that assimilation is not necessary on the illegal or legal immigrants part, that is just plain bullshit.

Using he “why don’t Americans wish to learn another language” argument is alos pathetic. Many Americans do but regardless they do not need to not should have to to associate in their own country in which ENglish is the language of the people.

Folks, he is not saying that Hispanics don’t learn English, they do. What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish.
He is right, Pat is not saying they cannot speak it or use it, Pat is suggesting that these immigrants (whether legal or illegal) NEED to speak English to assimilate and further themselves in a country that is overwhelmingly dominant in the English laguage.

I see: A true American is a monolingual, English-only person.

The fact that someone can be American and speak more than one language is a possibility you have never entertained.
Nobody is saying that, and the apologists always try to play that card to no avail. It is a moot point.

Again, Americans learn multiple languages all the time, hence it being requirements and electives in high schools and colleges across the U.S. But Americans should be put in the position in which they NEED to learn another language to accomodate a people that have no legal rights to be in their hoeland (that speaks English), that goes for illegal aliens of any origin.

It is also known that immigrants, whether legal or illegal, that do not learn Enlgish well the majority of the time do not get higher than low skilled low paying jobs, hence the remain in or at poverty levels.

Those are all moot points anyway, the entire argument for illegal aliens stops the second they cross the U.S. border illegally, they are criminals and should be deported with no questoins asked.

No it doesn’t. It actually disproves it: If Hispanics didn’t wish to assimilate, they wouldn’t teach English to their kids. Not to mention that that percentage shoots up to 78% by the third generation, again, disproving what Buchanan said because assimilation is not instantaneous but done across generations. As it has always been the case.

Folks, he is not saying that Hispanics don’t learn English, they do. What he is saying is that they never forget Spanish.

I see: A true American is a monolingual, English-only person.

The fact that someone can be American and speak more than one language is a possibility you have never entertained.