Kristol: College Guys Are ‘Very Happy’ About Plan B Approval Because ‘The Burden Is Totally Off Them’
Kristol: College Guys Are ‘Very Happy’ About Plan B Approval Because ‘The Burden Is Totally Off Them’
This week, after three years of delay, the Bush administration finally approved the sale of Plan B (a.k.a. “the morning after pill”) to women over 18 without a prescription.
This morning on Fox News, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said that college men are “very happy” that Plan B will now be sold over-the-counter because they can have “a wild night” and “the burden is off them.” Watch it:
Scientific evidence does not support Kristol’s claim that Plan B increases promiscuity. A 2002 study in the British Medical Journal found “there is no evidence that access to emergency contraceptives has any discernible effect on teen sexual activity.” Dr. Vivian M. Dickerson, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, says emergency contraception “does not increase promiscuity among teenaged women, nor does it cause women to abandon their regular birth control methods.”
Transcript:
KRISTOL: I don’t know, I came into Fox this morning and one of our younger colleagues who works here, a guy just out of college a couple of years, said all his friends in who are still college are very happy about this — all his guy friends, his male friends who are still in college are happy about this. They have a wild night. Precautions aren’t taken. The burden is now totally off them. They tell their girlfriend to go out and get this drug and no problems at all. And I don’t think that’s a very good thing for the the country.
WILLIAMS: The woman doesn’t have to do it. A woman has some choice in this matter. In fact, what it does, it increases her ability to manage her life, her future, and to decide whether or not she’s ready to be a parent, and the fact of the matter, contrary to people who say that it’s an abortion, it’s not an abortion. This is preventing pregnancy, just like taking a birth control pill. that’s good news. I don’t see how you get around that. To my mind, what’s really at stake here is credibility. The fda approved this three years ago. Then they had an advisory panel, scientists who said it’s a safe way for young women to deal with this situation, and then you had politics intervene. The politics of abortion. and people saying, no, don’t do it. It’s about promiscuity. That to me was playing to the base and to me pandering to people who are opponents of abortion.
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So just where are they getting these college guys at Fox? A “wild night?” WTF does that mean?
My daughter is going to college next year and I would like her as far from these people as possible.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:21 amIt creeps me out that these Crusaders think about other people having sex so much.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:21 amBush finally admits that he is a failure: http://www.correntewire.com/ bush_im_responsible_for_the_federal_government_constitution_no_youre_not
August 27th, 2006 at 11:21 amWell scrubbed big baby Kristol doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.
I lost count of how many boxes of condoms I saw in the stuff guys were packing into the dorm on Friday.
Any kid with an attitude like Kristol describes wasn’t raised right — or they were joking. Kristol wouldn’t understand something as complicated as humor.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:21 amSeriously, how many people even think Kristol is worth the pixels to type about. He spews false information coupled with fearmongering.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:23 amThey tell their girlfriend to go out and get this drug and no problems at all. And I don’t think that’s a very good thing for the the country.
which begs the question “just what WOULD be a good thing…?”
August 27th, 2006 at 11:24 amSure Kristol - are the guys going to pay for this pill at a cost of $34.00/pill? What College student has that kind of money to throw around? Hell, they drink BL piss for beer because they have no money. How are they going to afford to pay for this pill? There are a lot cheaper forms of birth control.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:26 amPoor Bill Kristol… he’s the one the girls wouldn’t have sex with and neither would the boys.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:28 amandroid, right?
August 27th, 2006 at 11:29 amKristol is an authoritarian in every way possible. He believes foreigners are evil so their lands must be invaded and occupied. Today he admitted how much of an elitist he is with regard to morality. He thinks that the average person is a stupid sinner who needs the governments tough hand to tell them what to do. I can’t figure out how these people keep getting elected? Do the people that vote for the neocons think they truly are a lower class of people who need to be kept in line? How do Kristol and his friends get to call their opponents elitists when they have such disdain for everyday people?
August 27th, 2006 at 11:29 amI just guessing but I bet Bill Kristol went to college at some point. Yeah, look at him, so pleased with himself. He got out the talking point he wanted and nobody called him a lying shit. He should be please at that. He is a lying shit.
HE is not at all good for the US.
When do I get to take a pill that prevents this prick from getting air time.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:30 am[…] “Marge…I think I hate Bill Kristol.” […]
August 27th, 2006 at 11:32 amWhen do I get to take a pill that prevents this prick from getting air time.
Comment by mparker
It would fly off the shelves, mparker.
He does look particularly self-satified today, doesn’t he? Maybe it’s just self-gratified…
August 27th, 2006 at 11:33 ammparker -
When do I get to take a pill that prevents this prick from getting air time.
Now, that could be a money maker for the drug companies. Big Pharma’s pipeline is stuggling to get new drugs to market. There haven’t been any block buster drugs for quite some time and other than cancer drugs, there aren’t any big block busters on the horizon either.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:34 amKristol is self-satisfied because now he can give his hooker a pill and he certainly can afford the $34.00/pill cost.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:36 amThink Progress - how about a real story for us to discuss? Like this one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ venezuela/ story/ 0,,1858768,00.html
Who gives a rat’s a$$ about Kristol’s sexual fantasies when Venazuela just made a HUGE oil deal with China. Watch out WalMart shoppers. Prices may be rising.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:39 amkristol is completely out of touch with reality which, of course, is the prime reason he is such a treasured talking head on fox… bush and his criminal cronies pander… kristol and his ilk just have the freedom pander more overtly, but it all comes from the same rovian playbook… if our bought and paid for media wouldn’t put this asshole out front and center in front of a national audience, no one would pay the slightest attention to him, including me and think progress… he’s an insult to other carbon and water-based lifeforms…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
August 27th, 2006 at 11:40 amSince when have we men been too concerned about the consequences of a ‘wild night’? How does the availability of the morning after pill change male indifference?
Maybe the availability of the morning after pill doesn’t really make much difference. Probably, having a bit more respect for women would make a difference, i.e. remembering that they are people, not just creatures with breasts.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:41 amI can’t believe I am going to say this: Kristol might have a point.
The way I read his comment, he was talking about young people who are already having sex. He does not mean that Plan B will ncrease promiscuity, but that it will lead to a decrease in use of other forms of contraception -specially condom in the men.
I think it’s a valid point. Men tend to wash their hands on anything regarding birth control, leaving the burden on the women. This is not a secret or a new attitude. Personally, I would like to see a campaing promoting the use of condom because it would kill two birds with one stone: Less pregnancies and stop the spread of venereal diseases.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:42 amMy grandfather said that the yellow race will rule the world one day (this was not meant as a racist remark, just an intuitive thought on his part) and I’m beginning to think he was correct.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:42 amA must read from Buzzflash.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ venezuela/ story/ 0,,1858768,00.html
Gregor - $34.00/pill is EXPENSIVE sex. This is not a generic drug. The press has been lax in telling the public the price of this pill.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:45 amAnd after all I said previously, Plan B should still be accessible to women, of course.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:46 amOf course Plan B should be accessible to women, but who is going to pay for this pill?
August 27th, 2006 at 11:48 amGregor - I might agree if men ever took the responsibility for birth control but this is not the case. If theses boys think the only thing they need to worry about is pregnancy they will have a hard lesson to learn. Sex can also lead to some very horrid diseases. This is why abstinence only sex ed is insufficient.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:49 amsorry - should read these boys.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:50 amGregor Samsa,
I entirely agree. But doesn’t this cut further to the relationship between men and women in general? On the one hand, the right moralises endlessly about how terrible string-free sex is, but on the other it idolises the family- based upon a strong loving father and allegiance to god, with women in definite second place.
Isn’t there a connection between disrespect towards women by men (treating them as sexual objects) and the idea of a family based upon obedience towards a male superior?
August 27th, 2006 at 11:50 amI’m off to Buzzflash to read some important stories.
Bill Kristol - you really should learn how to smile instead of smirk.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:50 amHi Prince - good point and good post.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:52 amIsn’t there a connection between disrespect towards women by men (treating them as sexual objects) and the idea of a family based upon obedience towards a male superior?
Comment by Prince Myshkin
Absolutely, Prince Myshkin. One of my principle goals as a single mother has been to teach my sons respect for women. I think I did pretty well.
(love the name, by the way)
August 27th, 2006 at 11:56 amCoffins,
Yes, that is one expensive pill. I don’t know who will pay for it, but my guess would be the women.
Jules,
Abstinence-only education is a joke. A bad joke, to boot. I think we need a fact-based approch to sex education and a educate the men on the use of the condom, instead of leaving the decision of birth contro to the women.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:57 amIf only Bill Kristol’s mon had used plan B after her wild night. The world would be a little safer without warmongers like Kristol around!
August 27th, 2006 at 11:58 amZooey - I wish all moms of boys felt this way. I have had moms tell me they were glad they did not have girls as they do not need to worry about pregnancy. What does that mean? Are they teaching their sons it is not their responsibility if a girl becomes pregnant? They can just walk away? And what about diseases? What about respect?
Some people should not be allowed to procreate!!!
August 27th, 2006 at 11:59 amPlan B, which is taken in a two-pill dose…The drug currently costs between $25 and $40 a dose; Barr has not set the price for the version that will be sold over the counter.
August 27th, 2006 at 11:59 amhttp://www.boston.com/ business/ healthcare/ articles/ 2006/ 08/ 25/ fda_approves_sale_of_morning_after_pill/
If only Bill Kristol’s mon had used plan B after her wild night. The world would be a little safer without warmongers like Kristol around!
Comment by left in a right world — August 27, 2006 @ 11:58 am
My mom says for some people birth control should be retroactive!!!
August 27th, 2006 at 12:00 pmPrince Myshkin,
I don’t think Plan B will lead to free-for-all sex, that notion is ludicrous. Also, I am not sure that it wil undercut the relationships between men and women.
And yes, I do think there is a connection between disrespect for women and the “woman owes obedience to the man” attitude.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:02 pmThe birth control burden, when it comes to avoiding an unwanted pregnancy, has always been on women. Guys, if they’re concerned at all, are more focused on STDs because it directly, physically impacts them. It’s always been this way. One more option for women isn’t going to change this, or will suddenly encourage women to give in to a barely suppressed desire to sleep around with everyone like sluts.
What’s he talking about? Or maybe I should ask, where has he been his entire sperm-producing life?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:02 pmI hate to rain on their little parade, but Plan B isn’t going to do a thing to prevent STDs or HIV/AIDS. I hope someone is thinking about precautions as something beyond pregnancy prevention (as important as that is and as happy as I am that Plan B was finally approved).
August 27th, 2006 at 12:02 pmI would gladly pay 2x$50 over $700 to fix an accident.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:03 pmI hate to rain on their little parade
Comment by Al — August 27, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
Don’t worry -you didn’t. The use of condom was already mentioned.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:04 pmNot anymore. Every guy in America should keep a pair of these in his pocket at all times.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:05 pmHell, reality doesn’t support Kristol’s claims. He clearly takes that as no reason for him to stop claiming. He’ll just keep claiming his little, black heart out.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:07 pmway to step up, spudgeboy…
the burden is off the men only if women let that happen…
of course the women will pay for this plan b… lesly is correct…
August 27th, 2006 at 12:09 pmbut, fortunately, there exist many real men like spudge here who are willing to take responsiblity and help out…
Caption Contest.
ASSCLOWN ALERT !!
August 27th, 2006 at 12:09 pmI have had moms tell me they were glad they did not have girls as they do not need to worry about pregnancy.
Comment by Jules
I have heard parents say this, too. What’s that about, anyway? They’re going to be mighty surprised when the Sheriff knocks on their door with the child support papers.
From the time my sons were old enough to understand their part in any baby-making venture, I have impressed the point that they are responsible for their actions. Girls must protect themselves, and boys must protect themselves — “she said she was on birth control” is not an acceptable excuse, because pregnancy is not the only possible outcome of sexual activity.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:11 pmBingo,
He looks like he just got home from Sunday school, doesn’t he?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:13 pmIt’s most unfortunate that Plan B was not available when Billy Boy was conceived.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:16 pmHey Zooey, congrats on getting the kid off to college! More closet space?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:20 pmPLEASE, can anyone remind me WHY Kristol’s opinion counts? is sought? matters? When he has been so wrong on so many issues…………ANYONE?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:20 pmCollege+beer+sex= big business
August 27th, 2006 at 12:20 pmthe real objection is to people having sex.
they want everyone to lead unhappy, sexless, miserable lives, torn by war, famine and poverty.
if your life style even looks tolerably decent, they feel threatened.
sex makes them feel GUILTY…because it feels GOOD. and they are BAD and they know it. Anyone else having sex reminds them how empty their own greedy little lives are.
their “stuff” is all they have to “distinguish” them from “you”.
as Jesus said….they have their reward
August 27th, 2006 at 12:21 pmScientific evidence does not support Kristol’s claim that Plan B increases promiscuity.
Has Kristol ever made a claim supported by ANY kind of evidence? I don’t think so. This guy is psychotic.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:22 pmHey Zooey, congrats on getting the kid off to college! More closet space?
Comment by SKdeA
Not yet, but I have a big bag waiting to be filled for Goodwill. I told him anything left laying around was going. He didn’t do too badly putting his things away. :)
August 27th, 2006 at 12:23 pmmarblex,
Ding ding ding ding ding. We have a winner folks.
That is exactly why they push abstinence and don’t want abortions and are so against pornography. It has nothing to do with morales. It has to do with the fact that they are up tight about it and prbably aren’t very good at it.
Here, picture this one: When was the last time you think Billy Kristol her ate p****?
I am guessing never.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:25 pmWell said, marblex, right on the mark.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:26 pmSpudge, ahem, also well said. :}
August 27th, 2006 at 12:27 pm# 45. Zooey:
More like “Satan” school.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:33 pmWhat a moron. I wonder if he used those arguements when condoms were put into stores for ANYONE to buy. Even girls can buy condoms Kristol…GASP! Surely that means the burden is off men and that must mean why men no longer buy condoms ever. The same with the pill. Surely the pill being available to purchase will increase promiscuity and encourage men to be even more sexually out of control. How ever has society survived this long?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:37 pmOkay, Spudge, you need to describe some brillo pads now… I did not need that visual. Any visual of Kristol clothed and doing nothing is horrific enough… Ugh.
In fact, TP, I think you should put a ‘censored’ bar across his frightening mug as well…
August 27th, 2006 at 12:37 pmIf god didn’t want people buying condoms then he would have given 17 year olds raging hormones - he’d have switched them on at marriage.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:39 pmmake that wouldn’t have
August 27th, 2006 at 12:40 pmAny visual of Kristol clothed and doing nothing is horrific enough… Ugh.
Comment by unbelievable
How about clothed and doing as Spudge suggests? Or unclothed?
I just bought brillo pads at Costco — so I’m good. :)
August 27th, 2006 at 12:43 pmunbelievable,
You are exactly right. If God is all knowing, then why did man pick the arbitrary age of 18 to call people adults. We know that people aren’t nearly mature enough to make any real desicions until they ar 25. Why did we pick 18. If you are going to pick an age when people still aren’t mature, why not let people start younger. Why not let them start when God chooses. God makes men (I know from experience on this one) very horny at age 14. Girls supposedly mature faster, but I didn’t see that. They seemed to get horny at age 14 also. But, times have changed and girls and boys ARE doing stuff at a younger age now.
What can we do to stop it? Stop being the most prude country in the world.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:46 pmOkay, Mr. Kristol is wrong again. That won’t stop Dan Quayle’s former chief of staff from spouting off and being wrong about other important issues of the day. His arrogance and self-satisfied, smug, smirk bring needs wiped off his face by someone…anyone! How does he get away with it? Why doesn’t his kind ever face any kind of reckoning?
August 27th, 2006 at 12:48 pmSo this guy, we are supposed to believe is an expert on everything from the middle east [cough couch chalabi] politics [Neo-cons straussian lies] to sex [wtf?] to war [propaganda]
This man has been wrong on nearly every subject he has spoken about, Ironically the Bushfolks still listen to this man..why?
It’s like watching a used car salesman.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:52 pmI just bought brillo pads at Costco — so I’m good. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 27, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
Describe them… :)
August 27th, 2006 at 12:53 pmi am reminded of one of the funny/awkward times with my college (senior!) daughter… a candy bowl full of condoms in the living room of the apt. she and 2 girls share… they all took a handfull from the student clinic and, for fun and purpose, put them all in the bowl…
but the thing is, most kids have been have been hearing about condoms and STDs for years and so much of it is not embarrassing or intimidating to them - it’s like “duh”…
it’s mostly us grownups who have the worst hangups…
August 27th, 2006 at 12:54 pmSpudge,
Becuase I’m an Atheist, I think the answer is that there is no god that designs, creates or controls these things in teh first place, which is why organized religion is frequently so out of touch with reality.
Guess I was just pointing out another flaw in the system…
But, for those who do believe, I hope that they get in touch with reality and find a way to include reality into their ideology as you and the other religious liberals around here have done.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:56 pmKRISTOL: They tell their girlfriend to go out and get this drug and no problems at all. And I don’t think that’s a very good thing for the the country.
But pregnant teeangers dropping out of college is?
Does he EVER think anything through before it leaves his pie hole?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:01 pmDescribe them… :)
Comment by unbelievable
They are soft and scratchy, and they do wonders scrubbing away super icky images from the brain.
Scrub once, that should do the job. If not, scrub once more and have a margarita.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:05 pmThis man has been wrong on nearly every subject he has spoken about, Ironically the Bushfolks still listen to this man..why?
Comment by Trinary Suka — August 27, 2006 @ 12:52 pm
I don’t think it is ironic at all Tinary, they’re ‘bushfolks’ afterall. Who’s been wrong about more issues than bush himself?
OT: Hey UB and Zoo:)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:07 pmunbelievable,
I am more agnostic than atheist. But, I was speaking from their point of view. If they think God is all knowing, then why are they questioning what he does with the hormones that are inside of the children he made. Remember, in their world, God is everything.
So, by man saying people aren’t adults until they are 18 flys in the face of God, since he clearly has put boobs on my 12 year old.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:09 pmKrystol, you Neanderthal, read this from the true I World countries:
“In many European countries — Switzerland in particular — sexual intercourse, at least from the age of 15 or 16 years, is considered acceptable and even part of normative adolescent behavior.” Switzerland, he noted, has one of the world’s lowest rates of abortion and teen pregnancy. Teens there, like those in Sweden and the Netherlands, have easy access to contraceptives, confidential health care and comprehensive sex education.
In Sweden, compulsory sex education starts when children are 10 to 12. Without parental consent, teens can get free medical care, free condoms, prescriptions for inexpensive oral contraceptives and general advice at youth clinics. Emergency contraceptives (the so-called morning-after pill) are available without a prescription.
Religion tends to insert itself less in government policy on sex education, contraception and abortion in Western Europe than in the United States, says Michaud. The Catholic Church exerted minimal influence in Switzerland’s AIDS prevention campaign, he said. “All in all, the church has been very tolerant and does not really get involved in sexual matters,” Michaud wrote in an e-mail.
Source
August 27th, 2006 at 1:09 pmHey Quadrajet!
Are you pleased that you’re totally off the hook in regard to knocking up the ladies?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:10 pmHe’s an Editor for Chrissakes. Hes an expert at nothing!!
Hes not a war expert, a sex expert, a college expert, a socialogoist, nor a doctor..HE is making this stuff up as he goes.
In fact, he sounds alot like Loser Limbaugh.
==
“You know folks, the facts are these Liberals, they have a wild night, I took one Viagra folks… one, these Liberals have alot of wild nights folks, on government loans. Precautions aren’t taken. Folks, thats a Fact. The burden is now totally off these deadbeat dad Liberals. And now these Liberals tell Christian women, and we must stop this folks, They tell their Christian girlfriends to go out and get this drug and no problems at all, they get it Boom!
The Fact is Liberals approved this, Not Bush, no siree bob, it was those liberals who don’t want barefoot and naked women, It’s those Liberals who are robbing the fatherland of its future fighters!. And I don’t think that’s a very good thing for the the country when Liberals make bush approve of ‘have more sex’ drugs make less kids reducing the size and strength of our military!” we need more sex!, less college!, a draft and more kids for our Aryan crusade in Iran!!”
August 27th, 2006 at 1:10 pm– Bill ‘Rushdoony’ Kristol
If not, scrub once more and have a margarita.
Comment by Zooey — August 27, 2006 @ 1:05 pm
Ahhhh…. thank you!
August 27th, 2006 at 1:11 pmSo, by man saying people aren’t adults until they are 18 flys in the face of God, since he clearly has put boobs on my 12 year old.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
*snort* I hope your 12 year old is a girl.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:12 pmOT: Hey UB and Zoo:)
Comment by Quadrajet — August 27, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
Hey you…. S’up? (I’ve been hanging around 17 year olds too much :)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:12 pmI don’t think it is ironic at all Tinary, they’re ‘bushfolks’ afterall. Who’s been wrong about more issues than bush himself?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:13 pm==
Good question =]
I’m gonna go with, door #2, the only man with a lower poll rating than Bush.
Zooey,
Both of my kids are girls. I have an 18 year old and a 12 year old. And my shotgun is loaded.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:16 pmHi, Zoo and UB and everybody else.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:18 pmThe problem we have here in Mexico and a lot of Latinamerican countries is, specially, that some Virgin appeared to some folks someday and that ruined all the fun and all the common sense! Now, virginity is seen as a virtue (come on!) but that doesnt stop us from having 16 y/o mothers. Again another religious-made contradiction.
What is with these human ambu bag neocons who think that things like Plan B and the HPV vaccine that practically cures cervical cancer in women will only lead to promiscuity? Are all Republicans impotent or something and have this poisonous, warped attitude about sex as a result?
Anyway, I want to thank you all for your kind thoughts, considering that any of them came from here at Think Progress, on the passing of my beloved cat Sheena last Friday night. I’ve been moping around the house, not visiting any blogs or even doing more than just scanning the headlines because I don’t feel that I’m yet at back the point of being able to respond to current events in my usual biting, insightful way, certainly not at the level to which my readers are accustomed.
So while I slowly get back into the swing of things, please accept this superior substitute in Mr. Frank Rich, just back from vacation, in Return to the Scene of the Crime, or Bush’s McArthur-esque, triumphant return to NOLA.
Hopefully, I’ll be back in my usual snarky frame of mind by the first anniversary of Katrina on the 29th. And thanks for hanging in there.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:18 pmAnd my shotgun is loaded.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2006 @ 1:16 pm
Ouch! You sounded like my girlfriend´s dad.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:19 pmI am more agnostic than atheist.
Oh, I thought you were still a church goer who took the good Jesus-said-love-one-another stuff and ignored the fire and brimstone… Well, thanks for clarifying.
But, I was speaking from their point of view. If they think God is all knowing, then why are they questioning what he does with the hormones that are inside of the children he made. Remember, in their world, God is everything.
Absolutely. I get reminded of that daily here in the red of state of Georgia… It makes me feel awkward when people start talking about god as if everyone believes in their brand and not just 33%ish of the world’s population. They really have no clue that they aren’t the majority or that there are alternatives. To them it is a fact.
So, by man saying people aren’t adults until they are 18 flys in the face of God, since he clearly has put boobs on my 12 year old.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
Agreed. An all-powerful god capable of intelligent design would have done a much better job than giving teenagers without fully developed brains the urge to mate… And I see that daily too. I have already had to assign seats in my one class with girls to keep the alpha males away from them… has been a huge distraction and they are doing the worst in terms of their grades… Nothing intelligent about that.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:19 pmBoth of my kids are girls. I have an 18 year old and a 12 year old. And my shotgun is loaded.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
My sons are 24 and 18. The shotgun is duly noted. :)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:20 pmWhat burden? Billy boy is talking about frat brats who never did care if their one-night stand got pregnant. I’m not that all college kids are this irresponsible - but me thinks Billy boy wasn’t thinking about the decent fellows in college.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:21 pmJuan,
As a high school teacher, I can attest that treating older teenagers like young adults actually makes them behave more responsibly.
Our school has a ‘just go to the bathroom’ policy. We’re starting week 5 and so far, no one has taken advantage of it.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:21 pmThe only thing virginity does is make you bad at having sex, because you have no skills.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:21 pmjurassicpork,
Condolences on the passing of Sheena. That’s a tough one.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:23 pmSorry to hear about your cat. I had a favorite cat of mine die not long ago and it really sucked. I feel for you.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:23 pmAny one wanna take odds that Kristol’s daddy helped him beat date rape charges while he attended college?
Comment by Kristol the scum bag — August 27, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
I’d agree except that I don’t think he could over-power an 18 year old girl now… :)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:23 pmAre you Steve?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:24 pmThe only thing virginity does is make you bad at having sex, because you have no skills.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Clearly my ex is a perpetual virgin.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:25 pmIf there is a ghod, the fact that the FDA approved the drug is the Lord’s will – accept it and move on. The fact that Kristol is a moron is also the Lord’s will.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:25 pmNo, I was raised Christian and have read the entire Bible from front to back cover twice. But, I do not believe that any of the organized religions teach what is true. What is true is that we have no idea how we got here. But, the proof I see of some higher being is the Big Bang Theory. Everything started from some big giant lump of crap in the center of the universe. Where did that ball of crap come from?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:27 pmSorry about Sheena jurassicpork… My cats are my family, I know how hard it must be. Condiolences…
August 27th, 2006 at 1:27 pmOur school has a ‘just go to the bathroom’ policy. We’re starting week 5 and so far, no one has taken advantage of it.
Comment by unbelievable — August 27, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
The only thing virginity does is make you bad at having sex, because you have no skills.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Spudge and UB: A friend living sometime in Sweden (I guess Brian Coughland could help us in this) told us that sexual education is so developed that they began sexual relations at 13 y/o and there was no problem (no health issues, nor pregnancy issues and nor social issues). The women he had to date were so uninterested in sex because they have already known it since puberty. He! I guess that was a joke.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:28 pmWell, ya know, “boys will be boys”, and ya jes havta watch out for ‘em so they don’t have to louse up their lives by becoming dads when all they wanted was a little whoopie.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:28 pmHey Quadrajet!
Are you pleased that you’re totally off the hook in regard to knocking up the ladies?
Comment by Zooey — August 27, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
Actually Zoo, like with everything this administration does I’m sceptical of their motives. Perhaps they think I’ll be so preoccupied with having wild, uninhibited sex that I’ll be too distracted to notice what else they’re doing.
Good to see everybody - but Judd says we’re not supposed to talk OT:[
August 27th, 2006 at 1:31 pmMy head is about to explode trying to break down Kristol’s logic. Is he trying to say that Plan B is going to make college girls more slutty? Or college boys more rapacious?
The culture of contraception–especially on campus–has come a long way since Kristol was in college. Every girl I knew (not just the ones in the biblical sense) from college to the time I got married was on the pill. It’s affordable, there’s no stigma, and it has other effects that cause it to be prescribed even when the woman is not sexually active. And every guy I knew was happy to use a condom if the hookup was casual. It protects against the nasty (and deadly) things that the pill doesn’t.
Plan B isn’t going to change any of this. I’m guessing that sexually active college and single women will still be on the pill. And if a guy is too much of a jerk to wear a condom, then Plan B isn’t going to make him more of one.
Plan B is for emergencies, and to say otherwise brings up the spectre of abortion-as-birth-control that’s been pushed before.
Tell me again why this was on Fox “News”?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:33 pmJuan C,
How old were these girls. Because the reality is that our all knowing God has also given men and women terrible sex clocks. Men want it at a young age and women want it at an older age. My girlfriend is older than me, but we get along perfectly.
Intellegent Design my ass.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:33 pmWhere did that ball of crap come from?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
Same holds true for the question of where did the thing that created it come from?
The idea of nothing to me is harder to comprehend that something.
There is certainly reasonable question that we humans with our microscopic view of the world will probably never be able to comprehend the universe itself. I just don’t believe there is a consciousness to the crap, because Occum’s Razor suggests that the crap just being (and not being conscious) is more realistic that a conscious maker of the crap just being…
Evolution’s fingerprints are everywhere… and it’s not terrible bright. Based on that, I think there’s some direction of the truth in quantum physics. Electricity and string theory stuff…
August 27th, 2006 at 1:33 pmYachts and Lattes,
Good post.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:35 pmOops! I meant skeptical:)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:35 pmAre you Steve?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:35 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2006 @ 1:24 pm
Ha! But no. :)
Clearly my ex is a perpetual virgin.
Comment by Zooey — August 27, 2006 @ 1:25 pm
Ouch!!! Women are really mean. :)
on the passing of my beloved cat Sheena last Friday night.
Comment by jurassicpork
I always thought about pet/owner relationships as silly…until I had a cat. Biggest cat Ive ever seen. He (he didnt have a name, he was called Cat -yeah, that disfunctional is my family-) lived with my mom for almost 8 years. He went back to Chile with her some 4 years ago and he died there. He was very big so he had health issues often. My mother still cant stand talking about how he passed away. When I knew about his death, I understood this “silly” pet/owner relationship. Im sorry, jurassicpork.
The women he had to date were so uninterested in sex because they have already known it since puberty. He! I guess that was a joke.
Comment by Juan C — August 27, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
I think it’s also like the fact that you don’t see many drunk 18 year olds in Europe either, because they are allowed to imbibe in public at 16, and at home much earlier.
When the forbidden fruit is free, it no longer tastes as good, I think…
August 27th, 2006 at 1:35 pmAs for the younger colleagues he mentioned, either he made that up or they did.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:36 pmMy girlfriend is older than me, but we get along perfectly.
Intellegent Design my ass.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2006 @ 1:33 pm
Yeah, I know what you mean. I dated a russian teacher I had. She was 35 when I was 25. And the first thing she said to me the first day we went out was: Sex is very important for me.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:39 pmI was stone cold. :)
j.pork
I’m sorry about Sheena;I can only hope it was from old age,and not an accident.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:40 pmI have 7. Sometimes the best way to get over a loss like that is a iddy biddy kitten.
This really would be the same absurdity if the far right started saying that it’s evil to eat, or go the bathroom (because it’s dirty).
Sex is just a natural human function that every person is born to want to do, once the hormones kick in. Saying it is ‘evil’ doesn’t stop people from wanting to do it, no more than anything else…
August 27th, 2006 at 1:41 pm#110 - It’s just another handle to grip the sheep by.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:42 pmExactly.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:43 pmWhen the forbidden fruit is free, it no longer tastes as good, I think…
Comment by unbelievable — August 27, 2006 @ 1:35 pm
Oh, please, lets beg that doesnt ever happen to me. :)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:45 pmIt’s just another handle to grip the sheep by.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — August 27, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
That’s hysterical…
August 27th, 2006 at 1:45 pmOh, please, lets beg that doesnt ever happen to me. :)
Comment by Juan C — August 27, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
Then just don’t do it everyday… :)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:46 pmThen just don’t do it everyday… :)
August 27th, 2006 at 1:49 pmComment by unbelievable — August 27, 2006 @ 1:46 pm
Ok, Im safe. :)
unbelievable,
What i wonder is the following:
If you believe in god, does he prefer a celibate marriage or a marriage in which the couple often have recreational sex? I’d reckon the former, on the whole ‘committing your life to god/jesus’ basis. In which case, would god prefer a gay couple who adopted having taken a vow of celibacy at their marriage ceremony, or a hetero couple who had endless recreational sex?
Couldn’t the gay couple argue that they wanted to devote their lives to god through raising children in his ways- which would include celibacy?
August 27th, 2006 at 1:50 pmFellas, I have a nephew´s birthday to attend. Have a nice weekend and keep bashing those a-holes.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:50 pmPrince Myshkin,
There isn’t one single place in the Bible that God says he wants anybody to be celebate. Not even priests. That was added later by men.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:53 pmComment by Prince Myshkin — August 27, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
August 27th, 2006 at 1:54 pmBut…if God doesnt exist?
119, 120
Sure, I don’t believe in god. I think the bible is in general a load of drivel written by a superstitious people and their prophets. But the religious right oppose sex and gay marriage but believe in both god and the bible.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:58 pmComment by Prince Myshkin — August 27, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
I think the more important question is that if there were a god, it would want people to worry about ending the war in Iraq instead of meddling in other people’s sex lives…
August 27th, 2006 at 1:58 pmI’m reminded of my father (a hopeless republican) who’s entire home sex education program consisted of the ‘its evil’ BS. It didn’t work and my sister became pregnant before marriage, for which she was thoroughly trashed and humiliated. A closer look at my family’s history reveals that I was one of the few 9lb premature babies ever born. Of course, maybe he changed to the ‘its evil’ program after it became apparent, very early on, that I was a democrat.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:58 pmOuch!!! Women are really mean. :)
Comment by Juan C
That might be mean, but it’s still true!
August 27th, 2006 at 1:59 pmViking gods? Aztech gods? Why should the Judeo/Christian version of magic be given any preference?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:01 pmThe Bible contradicts itself all on its own. All one has to do to see the lunacy in it is to read it…
I can’t even pretend to assume what those who believe in it think. Before I rejected religion, I was blind in terms of what the Bible said. It was reading it that made me realize it was filled with a lot of violence, contradictions and general nonsense 9talking donkeys and fire-breathing dragons…)
That reminds me, I have been teaching my students about other cultures under the guise of understanding that there is a direct correlation between the culture and the architecture. When we got to Ancient China, I showed them their minor obsesssion with dragons, which of course, do not exist. One of the students actually said “Well, maybe they used to exist…” Knowing teh possible context for his belief, I just changed the subject.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:03 pmunbelievable,
i would agree that god would have better stuff to do with his time- probably he’d be worried about famine and AIDS, and as you say, war. But do the likes of Pat ‘katrina is divine punishment’ Robertson see it like that? I’m trying to point out what I believe to be an inconsistency in the right wing position on gay marriage and sex, rather than anything wider.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:04 pmOf course, maybe he changed to the ‘its evil’ program after it became apparent, very early on, that I was a democrat.
Comment by Quadrajet — August 27, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
So you could have free love (in the hippie context)? :)
August 27th, 2006 at 2:07 pm126
likewise, i can’t believe that anyone believes such a collection of fairy tales anymore. i’m just glad to come from secular europe! problem is, the sort of stuff that god himself gets up to in the bible actually justifies the position of these people if they take it as truth and his actions as a guide for right conduct.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:07 pmI’m trying to point out what I believe to be an inconsistency in the right wing position on gay marriage and sex, rather than anything wider.
Comment by Prince Myshkin — August 27, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
I think Christianity itself is one bigcontradiction of the fact that Jesus was trying to get the violence and hypocrisy out of Judaism, and instead became a god himself…
They hate anyone gay without consideration. Hate is irrational. Your point is valid - unfortunately it only makes sense to those of us who know gay people and understand that they are no different than anyone else aside from who they want to shag… I agree with you.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:11 pm#63
I did not know that Mr. Bill Kristol was Dan Qualyle’s chief of staff !
That explains EVERYTHING !!!
EVERYTHING !!!
He is an alum of the AWC — “Always Wrong Club”
It was probably Kristol that told Quayle to attack Candice Bergen’s “Murphy Brown” sitcom character - for raising a child alone or something like that.
He couldn’t even beat “Murphy Brown” and years later he’s trying to tell the government to send young men and women to fight Iraq AND Iran.
What a putz. And “macho” FAUX NEWS picks a man who lost a battle against a sitcom character to beat the war drums at least once a week.
Incredible.
Now, I think I will relax and fix myself a nice baked “potatoe”
August 27th, 2006 at 2:11 pmI’m surprised Kristol doesn’t blame Iran for this. “They’re corrupting our young men - let’s nuke ‘em”.
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unbelievable,
I would say that the contradiction is the fact that God was so violent and Jesus is not. THey are quite the opposite and why would God the omnipotent let his son dictate wether or not he wants to slaughter people all over the world.
I have read the Bible from front to back and it starts as Freddie vs Jason and ends as Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:15 pmproblem is, the sort of stuff that god himself gets up to in the bible actually justifies the position of these people if they take it as truth and his actions as a guide for right conduct.
Comment by Prince Myshkin — August 27, 2006 @ 2:07 pm
This is exactly why I am anti-organized religion. I routinely get attacked for it around here as well. Doesn’t stop me though. Just like segregation didn’t stop Rosa Parks.
I think organized religion is responsible for the mass stupidity over-taking America. We used to be the most educated country in the world. Now, it is embarrassing that the most ignorant views posted online are from my fellow Americans, while a lot of the more astute comments come from people like Bruce Gorton or Gregor Samsa.
I teach at a charter school. I have mostly college-bound 16-18 year olds in my classes. I am, frankly, appalled by their general apathy, lack of reasoning or logic skills and laziness. We are in serious trouble as a nation if we don’t stop using religion as an excuse…
August 27th, 2006 at 2:16 pm#128 - you’ve clocked me again UB, hehehehe. Actually I started looking at things through my own eyes when nixon came along and my dad proclaimed his antics were ‘no big deal, everybody does it’, an excuse that consistently didn’t fly when it applied to something I had done.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:19 pmLMAO - All this proves is what we all suspected already: that FOX tends to hire a lot of asshole fratboys to intern with them. It’s more a matter of demographics than anything else BillyBoi.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:20 pmWell, if there are scientific studies that suggest that Plan B doesn’t increase promiscuity among adults or teens, it’s much more reasonable to accept anecdotal evidence from some unknown recent college graduate as proof. After all, we operate now on “faith-based” reasoning by which inconvenient facts are simply ignored.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:21 pmI have read the Bible from front to back and it starts as Freddie vs Jason and ends as Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
I am laughing…
You know, there are many contradictions in following someone else’s prescribed ideology instead of inventing your own. I bet we couldn’t pick them all out if we tried… And most of them are all right. Unfortunately, blind faith makes people of faith incapable of seeing them.
I still haven’t gotten an answer from a single Bible literalist on teh Intelligent Design of the human appendix… Though, IRI did try to answer why men have nipples. He said that it was because god was later planning to create woman from man. I then asked him to tell me where his tiny vagina and uterus are located… He never replied.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:23 pman excuse that consistently didn’t fly when it applied to something I had done.
Comment by Quadrajet — August 27, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
Teenagers are far more astute than the credit they are given… :)
Does he say the same excuses about Global Warming Bush?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:25 pmComment by unbelievable
I come from England, and while our educational system is a long way from perfect, the idea of creationism having a place in the classroom is unheard of. One reason I find American politics interesting is because the sort of issues discussed are totally different from Europe*- and by far the biggest difference is the place of religion in public life. I really agree with you that when a people attribute almost every event of their lives to a magical, mystical diety then they are in trouble. It is probably going a little far to draw a parallel with fascism, but the same abandonment of reason is at the back of both attitudes.
* also a slight smug sense of cultural superiority as well maybe!
August 27th, 2006 at 2:27 pmHere’s a thought – maybe Kristol is talking about the students at some repressed and sexually ignorant school such as Rectal Roberts University.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#139 - Not yet, he’s going with the national security line so far (as you may recall this was one of nixon’s arguments for listening in). When the bush ‘tapes’ come out he’ll fall back on the other. The difference this time is that he’ll actually have an example to site - nixon:)
August 27th, 2006 at 2:31 pmSo lets use the faith based reasoning of Pat roberts, et all. With Plan B available girls that would have never had sex with be aborting fetuses everyday conned into sex by evil college guys, then god will get angry at the US and bring about some sort of big disaster….like a flood, or …..maybe a war…. or maybe George Bush as President.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:34 pmBones,
if you believed you were one of only, say, a few million going to heaven, and that the rest of the world is utterly evil, wouldn’t you want to bring about armageddon?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:37 pmI think Christianity itself is one bigcontradiction of the fact that Jesus was trying to get the violence and hypocrisy out of Judaism, and instead became a god himself…
They hate anyone gay without consideration. Hate is irrational.
Comment by unbelievable — August 27, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
I feel compelled to speak, because I feel you have arrived at a misconception. I am a Christian, and I believe by faith in His Son. The Bible quotes Jesus saying, “I and the Father are one,” and when Pilate asked Him if he was the Christ, He replied, “It is as you say.” Now, this is what I believe. But don’t assume all Christians are hate-filled, war-mongering, village-burning hypocrites. Can you find examples of zealots doing such things in the name of God? Sure, and it greatly upsets me the damage people do for the sake of God, be it Allah, Jehovah, Jesus, or whatever language is spoken. The damage is done by extremists who do not understand, because they are still ruled by a preconceived misperception of hate. “My God is bigger than your God,” sort of thing. The God I know is a God of love, not hate, and on this we agree. It is quite unfortunate that some Christians behave in this fashion to single out a specific person because they are gay. The truth is, the Bible states “All have sinned,” myself included. I wouldn’t presume to anyone “You’re goin’ ta hell.” I wish people would not be so caught up in such things because it profits no one. It only causes people to be more hateful.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:40 pmIt is probably going a little far to draw a parallel with fascism, but the same abandonment of reason is at the back of both attitudes.
Comment by Prince Myshkin — August 27, 2006 @ 2:27 pm
Not at all, we’ve been doing it for atleast a couple of years… The parallels are startling.
Washington DC is simply the real-life eastcoast poltical version of Hollywood’s melodramas and desperation television. It’s sad, really.
I taught Science last year and was advised not to talk about Evolution in thr classroom to avoid the complaints from the parents. The good side of that was that it made the students curious about evolution… :)
August 27th, 2006 at 2:42 pmThe difference this time is that he’ll actually have an example to site - nixon:)
Comment by Quadrajet — August 27, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
But if Clinton did it?
He was all over the Lewinsky-impeachment thing wasn’t he?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:44 pmThe God I know is a God of love, not hate, and on this we agree.
Comment by tru_thordare — August 27, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
I find it very interesting how people’s definition of their god parallels their own personality.
This says a lot about you, but unfortunately does not change the fact that there are a lot of bad folks doing a whole lot of destruction in the name of their version of their god and a lot of other folks are simply swallowing it in the name of blind faith because the Old Testament of the Bible is pretty violent and bloody.
Isn’t this how all the other reformations and splits started within the Christian faith? Enough got tired of the corruption and started their own branch? Looks like it might be about to happen again. If it does, you guys should lose the Old Testamen - and Revelations. It’s out of touch with reality, violent and riddled with gross inaccuracies. The world would be better off if you guys made some revisions…
August 27th, 2006 at 2:51 pmMyshkin, hastening the onset of the last days I would liken to suicide. And the Christian church denies heaven to suicides. I do however believe batshit crazy nutjobs can rationalize any course of action, even if that means killing hundrerds of thousands of innocents because they “deserve it”. It’s nothing more than the “beat your wife” theory, “Well, yeah I beat my wife and that wasn’t right, but she was asking for it”. Yeah, all “Muslims” are asking for it, and we’re going to nuke them - see makes perfect sense if you’re batshit.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#147 - he sure was, but that was different. Clinton’s crime involved lying about sex which is clearly more threatening to our way of life that what bush is doing. Ironically, when I pointed out that any number of his friends and relatives had been caught lying about sex (affairs, ect.) he pulled out the old ‘just because everybody does it doesn’t make it right’ line. Go figure?
August 27th, 2006 at 2:57 pmThe true face of abortion opponents. And the truth gets out, again.
August 27th, 2006 at 2:58 pmhttp://www.needlenose.com/node/view/3300
Looks like it might be about to happen again. If it does, you guys should lose the Old Testamen - and Revelations. It’s out of touch with reality, violent and riddled with gross inaccuracies. The world would be better off if you guys made some revisions…
Comment by unbelievable — August 27, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
I’m sure it’s tempting to some to cut and paste the Bible. But I’m not about to cherry-pick my God in my own image. Sure, it’s pre-filtered even as I read it, through my experience, my faith, my upbringing. But I always attempt to have a fresh focus, keeping things in perspective. Many picture the Bible as “a big list of don’ts”. To be sure, however, it is more about “do’s,” like “Love thy neighbor.” If we spent more time focusing on what we’ve been called to do, rather than invoking our own little list of rules like “Women shouldn’t be teaching Sunday School,” sort of thing, Christianity, as a message of hope to the world, would be a lot better off.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:01 pmbones,
i always thought there might be a bit more to it than simply being mad- although of course that is also a cause! but while i can see why muslim fanatics could be upset about the way the world is (israel/palestine, centuries of western oppression, etc) what the hell turns the likes of pat robertson mad in the first place?
perhaps he is simply mad from birth, but he has a few too many followers for it to be dismissed quite so easily as that perhaps?
August 27th, 2006 at 3:01 pm150
regarding clinton, i think that the right wing really do find lying about sex the greatest evil of all…
August 27th, 2006 at 3:03 pmWe both know what the president did when he cherry-picked his intelligence, (whoa, I suppose one would have to pre-suppose our president is informed and is intelligent to balance all voices. SCARY).
August 27th, 2006 at 3:04 pmhe pulled out the old ‘just because everybody does it doesn’t make it right’ line. Go figure?
Comment by Quadrajet — August 27, 2006 @ 2:57 pm
It’s just “face saving” answers they give. I used to know when I’d been bested in that line of arguing, but would say something equally obtuse just to make it look like I hadn’t been… Now, as a liberal, I just speak the reality and never have to worry about covering my contradictions. So much less stressful this way…
Does your pop avoid political conversations with you now?
August 27th, 2006 at 3:04 pmSo lets use the faith based reasoning of Pat roberts, et all. With Plan B available girls that would have never had sex with be aborting fetuses everyday conned into sex by evil college guys, then god will get angry at the US and bring about some sort of big disaster….like a flood, or …..maybe a war…. or maybe George Bush as President.
Comment by bones — August 27, 2006 @
Damn, is that why Bush is president? Them youngins better stop having sex, or maybe we should all stop having sex, except for procreation. I could abstain for one day if that would make Bush disappear. The sacrifice would be worth it.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:05 pmYou have to remember, these guys talk from their own perspective. That is what THEY would do, if they had the opportunity.
August 27th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#154 - and yet s