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		<title>By: Jayson</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-1536944</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the responsibility of the government to insure the people.  We aren&#039;t communists.  If people want to receive good health care then they need to work hard and earn it like the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the responsibility of the government to insure the people.  We aren&#8217;t communists.  If people want to receive good health care then they need to work hard and earn it like the rest of us.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1536944', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bonni stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonni stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this graph shows exactly what you need to know in simple form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this graph shows exactly what you need to know in simple form.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1049875', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian&#8217;s Blatherings &#187; The Bush Record: More Poverty, More Uninsured</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian&#8217;s Blatherings &#187; The Bush Record: More Poverty, More Uninsured</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Two charts, based on census data released today, that track the number of people living in poverty and the number of people without health insurance during each year of the Bush presidency. read more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Two charts, based on census data released today, that track the number of people living in poverty and the number of people without health insurance during each year of the Bush presidency. read more&nbsp;|&nbsp;digg story [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=834633', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Political News &#187; The Bush Record: More Poverty, More Uninsured</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political News &#187; The Bush Record: More Poverty, More Uninsured</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Two charts, based on census data released today, that track the number of people living in poverty and the number of people without health insurance during each year of the Bush presidency. read more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story  Digg this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Two charts, based on census data released today, that track the number of people living in poverty and the number of people without health insurance during each year of the Bush presidency. read more&nbsp;|&nbsp;digg story  Digg this [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=789283', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Iconoclast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Bush Record: More Poverty, More Uninsured</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-765271</link>
		<dc:creator>Iconoclast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Bush Record: More Poverty, More Uninsured</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gar</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-764783</link>
		<dc:creator>Gar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wait until Timmy wakes up one morning to find that he no longer has any health insurance. Corporations are getting out of the health insurance benefits business at record clip. That&#039;s what the census data really shows if you look at all of it.

Having the best high paying job is no insulation from poverty anymore. One illness &amp; you can be instantly ruined financially for life.

What part of rising uninsured does Timmy not understand?

See Bush has a nice one-two punch going here. Drop health insurance &amp; block research into cures for disease. Translation just roll into the ditch &amp; die after expending yourself in a low paying sweat shop as outsourcing increases. 

Why should God bless America when she behaves like this? Have these phony right wing religious fanatics ever bothered to read the beatitudes. Guess the cherry picking is not limited to warmongering &amp; intelligence data manipulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait until Timmy wakes up one morning to find that he no longer has any health insurance. Corporations are getting out of the health insurance benefits business at record clip. That&#8217;s what the census data really shows if you look at all of it.</p>
<p>Having the best high paying job is no insulation from poverty anymore. One illness &amp; you can be instantly ruined financially for life.</p>
<p>What part of rising uninsured does Timmy not understand?</p>
<p>See Bush has a nice one-two punch going here. Drop health insurance &amp; block research into cures for disease. Translation just roll into the ditch &amp; die after expending yourself in a low paying sweat shop as outsourcing increases. </p>
<p>Why should God bless America when she behaves like this? Have these phony right wing religious fanatics ever bothered to read the beatitudes. Guess the cherry picking is not limited to warmongering &amp; intelligence data manipulation.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=764783', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-764662</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Leviathan school of thought is working.
Create 2 classes of people, the rich and powerful and the rest, the poor and powerless who are expendible if they dissent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Leviathan school of thought is working.<br />
Create 2 classes of people, the rich and powerful and the rest, the poor and powerless who are expendible if they dissent.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=764662', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vanna</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-764645</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s how one person I know thought: he showed me his latest new cell phone, and bragged that a few years ago he had to pay more money for his minutes.  Now he gets more minutes and pays less.  &quot;That&#039;s the American way,&quot; he boasted, tapping the phone. &quot;American competitiveness.&quot;  He pointed to his new computer--&quot;See! Computers are cheaper now! THAT&#039;S your answer to the economy!&quot;

I pointed out that the phone wasn&#039;t made in America, and that when he needed help he used a call center in India where few or no Americans had jobs, and that his lower computer prices were the result of outsourcing labor and outsourcing environmental damage to China and Malaysia.

He grunted, put his phone away, and changed the subject.   He also believes that anyone who doesn&#039;t want a job at the local Wal-Mart (here in rural Nowhere, Illinois) for $9.00 an hour (&quot;and they get health care after six months!&quot;) &quot;can just go work somewhere else.&quot;

Some people are really dense.  I mean, this guy is a rock-solid Republican who thinks he&#039;s a true patriot--but he deals strictly in the black market because he doesn&#039;t want to pay taxes.  His philosophy is &quot;I take care of my buddies, and my buddies take care of me,&quot; which sounds distinctly tribal, corrupt, and dare I say it? non-Western.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how one person I know thought: he showed me his latest new cell phone, and bragged that a few years ago he had to pay more money for his minutes.  Now he gets more minutes and pays less.  &#8220;That&#8217;s the American way,&#8221; he boasted, tapping the phone. &#8220;American competitiveness.&#8221;  He pointed to his new computer&#8211;&#8221;See! Computers are cheaper now! THAT&#8217;S your answer to the economy!&#8221;</p>
<p>I pointed out that the phone wasn&#8217;t made in America, and that when he needed help he used a call center in India where few or no Americans had jobs, and that his lower computer prices were the result of outsourcing labor and outsourcing environmental damage to China and Malaysia.</p>
<p>He grunted, put his phone away, and changed the subject.   He also believes that anyone who doesn&#8217;t want a job at the local Wal-Mart (here in rural Nowhere, Illinois) for $9.00 an hour (&#8221;and they get health care after six months!&#8221;) &#8220;can just go work somewhere else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some people are really dense.  I mean, this guy is a rock-solid Republican who thinks he&#8217;s a true patriot&#8211;but he deals strictly in the black market because he doesn&#8217;t want to pay taxes.  His philosophy is &#8220;I take care of my buddies, and my buddies take care of me,&#8221; which sounds distinctly tribal, corrupt, and dare I say it? non-Western.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=764645', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: someone</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-764091</link>
		<dc:creator>someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton didn&#039;t do well either (he was president through Jan 2001)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton didn&#8217;t do well either (he was president through Jan 2001)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=764091', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-764040</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well its obvious that I&#039;m not the most popular person on this blog. (oh well). See, heres my idea. We need it in moderation. We&#039;ve seen what happens if a government tries to hard to make everyone equal (comunism) and we&#039;ve seen what happens if it becomes to republican (theocracy or aristocracy) so what we need to do is find a sweet spot in the middle. When this country was first started, there wasn&#039;t nearly this far of a gap between the republicans and democrats ( this is after the whigg party) And so when it came to disagreements, they would either be forced to comprimise, or england would jump on the weakness to try to take us back. But now that we&#039;ve no &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;need&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; for compromise, we simply aren&#039;t doing it, and that doesn&#039;t work so well. So what I always hopes happen is that the white house is split down the middle so that the republicans and democrats are too busy hurting each other to hurt the country. At this point, no body is ever going to change there mind. If one of the parties  some how found scientific indisputable evidence that the other was wrong, the other would just deny it. People have adopted their stand on politics as their identity, instead of using what they actually believe to pick their politics. They&#039;re unwilling to have an open mind to the other party on anything, you have to either be 100% for them or against them. I on the other hand along with many others (unfortunatley not enough) won&#039;t look at the label and then the idea, they will look at an issue, and decide whether or not they agree with it regardless if it is republican or democrat. So thats my view, I&#039;m interested in seeing what people say in retaliation. Who knows, if I find it logical I might change my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well its obvious that I&#8217;m not the most popular person on this blog. (oh well). See, heres my idea. We need it in moderation. We&#8217;ve seen what happens if a government tries to hard to make everyone equal (comunism) and we&#8217;ve seen what happens if it becomes to republican (theocracy or aristocracy) so what we need to do is find a sweet spot in the middle. When this country was first started, there wasn&#8217;t nearly this far of a gap between the republicans and democrats ( this is after the whigg party) And so when it came to disagreements, they would either be forced to comprimise, or england would jump on the weakness to try to take us back. But now that we&#8217;ve no <em><strong>need</strong></em> for compromise, we simply aren&#8217;t doing it, and that doesn&#8217;t work so well. So what I always hopes happen is that the white house is split down the middle so that the republicans and democrats are too busy hurting each other to hurt the country. At this point, no body is ever going to change there mind. If one of the parties  some how found scientific indisputable evidence that the other was wrong, the other would just deny it. People have adopted their stand on politics as their identity, instead of using what they actually believe to pick their politics. They&#8217;re unwilling to have an open mind to the other party on anything, you have to either be 100% for them or against them. I on the other hand along with many others (unfortunatley not enough) won&#8217;t look at the label and then the idea, they will look at an issue, and decide whether or not they agree with it regardless if it is republican or democrat. So thats my view, I&#8217;m interested in seeing what people say in retaliation. Who knows, if I find it logical I might change my opinion.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=764040', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-763939</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is long overdue that Progressives address what we really have in the way of health care in the US.
 
This country is collecting tax dollars from most everyone including the uninsured, underinsured and the uninsurable and using those tax dollars to assign greater value to some lives than to others.

I can make no case that what we as a nation are doing is moral.

I am in the Medicare system and cannot make a case that my life should be assigned a greater value than the life of a six year old, a thirty year old or anyone else. I challenge anyone in the Medicare system to make a case that it is moral for grandparents to have a greater assigned value than their children and/or grandchildren.

Yes, challenging what we have is long overdue.

All it takes is a bit of backbone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is long overdue that Progressives address what we really have in the way of health care in the US.</p>
<p>This country is collecting tax dollars from most everyone including the uninsured, underinsured and the uninsurable and using those tax dollars to assign greater value to some lives than to others.</p>
<p>I can make no case that what we as a nation are doing is moral.</p>
<p>I am in the Medicare system and cannot make a case that my life should be assigned a greater value than the life of a six year old, a thirty year old or anyone else. I challenge anyone in the Medicare system to make a case that it is moral for grandparents to have a greater assigned value than their children and/or grandchildren.</p>
<p>Yes, challenging what we have is long overdue.</p>
<p>All it takes is a bit of backbone.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=763939', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-08-30 &#171; Musings of the Great Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2006-08-30 &#171; Musings of the Great Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Think Progress Â» The Bush Record: More Poverty, More Uninsured (tags: Poverty ClassWarfare Economics Bush) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Conley T. Gwinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conley T. Gwinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no substitute for &lt;strong&gt;inherited&lt;/strong&gt; wealth: &lt;strong&gt;97%&lt;/strong&gt; of the richest 99% were born already wealthy; of the remaining 3%, none were born in poverty.

Solution? Realistically, there would be a &lt;strong&gt;LOT&lt;/strong&gt; more opportunity loose in our nation, if we imposed 100% estate tax on everything beyond $5 million, and I could argue that lower would be better. That move alone would alleviate the deadwood boards and management in our corporations; and if coupled with some further moves toward merit-based rewards, we might overcome the inbred mediocrity which has bequeathed us Bungle - er, Bush - as our selected leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no substitute for <strong>inherited</strong> wealth: <strong>97%</strong> of the richest 99% were born already wealthy; of the remaining 3%, none were born in poverty.</p>
<p>Solution? Realistically, there would be a <strong>LOT</strong> more opportunity loose in our nation, if we imposed 100% estate tax on everything beyond $5 million, and I could argue that lower would be better. That move alone would alleviate the deadwood boards and management in our corporations; and if coupled with some further moves toward merit-based rewards, we might overcome the inbred mediocrity which has bequeathed us Bungle &#8211; er, Bush &#8211; as our selected leader.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=763823', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-763323</link>
		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe what we need to be looking at the real picture of why folks rather be poor and stay on welfare than work.  let&#039;s say a single mother with one kid is making $7/hr. that would be $1120/mo. BEFORE taxes.  which would be $13,440/yr. BEFORE taxes.  now a family of two brings in on the welfare scale $12,820/yr. TAX FREE. now let&#039;s not forget with that welfare check you get section 8 housing, a program for heating your house/cooling, help with fixing up the house if you can not to afford, food stamps(tax free), medicaid, free schooling, a vehicle if needed, plus many other little incentives that would free up their pockets for their $12,820/yr. tax free income.  so are the poor on welfare really poor?  or is it they rather live in &#039;comfort&#039; and watch their neighbor live in poor when busting their butt and pay taxes.  so it looks to me the ones that are not on welfare are having it worse off than the ones that are on welfare. so why not jump on board.  remember the lady with the kid does not get any tax free incentives or free incentives when doing for herself instead of the ones on welfare getting a free ride.  i know of folks who have been on for 10+ yrs for that very reason.  and then wonder why the tax paying citizens can&#039;t stand a welfare recipient. and the very ones that are illegal get the same benefits and probably more. this system is not fair and needs to be revamped in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe what we need to be looking at the real picture of why folks rather be poor and stay on welfare than work.  let&#8217;s say a single mother with one kid is making $7/hr. that would be $1120/mo. BEFORE taxes.  which would be $13,440/yr. BEFORE taxes.  now a family of two brings in on the welfare scale $12,820/yr. TAX FREE. now let&#8217;s not forget with that welfare check you get section 8 housing, a program for heating your house/cooling, help with fixing up the house if you can not to afford, food stamps(tax free), medicaid, free schooling, a vehicle if needed, plus many other little incentives that would free up their pockets for their $12,820/yr. tax free income.  so are the poor on welfare really poor?  or is it they rather live in &#8216;comfort&#8217; and watch their neighbor live in poor when busting their butt and pay taxes.  so it looks to me the ones that are not on welfare are having it worse off than the ones that are on welfare. so why not jump on board.  remember the lady with the kid does not get any tax free incentives or free incentives when doing for herself instead of the ones on welfare getting a free ride.  i know of folks who have been on for 10+ yrs for that very reason.  and then wonder why the tax paying citizens can&#8217;t stand a welfare recipient. and the very ones that are illegal get the same benefits and probably more. this system is not fair and needs to be revamped in my opinion.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=763323', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: just a thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>just a thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the last paragraph of my post 112:  I started a thought and did not address it. My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the last paragraph of my post 112:  I started a thought and did not address it. My bad.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=763271', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mushuweasel</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-763237</link>
		<dc:creator>Mushuweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, just a thought.  I&#039;ve wasted far too much time over the last number of hours trying to point the same thing out on digg.  I think I officially hate digg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, just a thought.  I&#8217;ve wasted far too much time over the last number of hours trying to point the same thing out on digg.  I think I officially hate digg.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=763237', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: just a thought</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-3/#comment-763035</link>
		<dc:creator>just a thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread has been hijacked by a discussion of the data, but not the conclusion. Since the supporters of the Administration cannot argue the conclusion of the data, they attack the data itself. FACT: NO (none, nada, zip) presentation of data is &#039;complete&#039; without a lengthy description of methodology, omissions, exclusions, sources, etc. But a 93-page report on the data is not possible here... nor necessary. Every day you make decisions based on less information that is presented here in these charts. Interpreting data presented in any form (even with a 30-page exposition) requires the reader to make inferences and deductions and to assimilate the data &lt;strong&gt;as it is presented&lt;/strong&gt;. Starting the graph at 0 is not necessary unless you can only interpret the information by visual recognition of the bars WITHOUT noting what they represent, but if you are doing that you are not capable of understanding the information in ANY graph (et. al.) anyway. The information relayed by visual means is dependent on YOUR understaning of the figures used to create that graph.

If you want ALL the available information that built these graphs, GO TO THE SOURCE YOURSELF. 

You will note, if you check, that this is the standard &quot;troll derailment&quot; argument when a graph or similar data is presented:  attack the data, ignore the conclusion. And it seems to work.

The CONCLUSION, which is what SHOULD be the topic of discussion here, is that the Bush administration has increased the general poverty level of America and increased the amount of uninsured Americans. One could discuss the how&#039;s and why&#039;s of that, and tangent into the corporate welfare and corporate entitlement state that America has become. Or, one can argue to infinity that any presentation of data is a flawed presentation. So, if the graph starts at &quot;0&quot;, then what?  Well, how about the middle and upper classes?  They are not represented, and in order to have a &quot;complete&quot; and &quot;accurate&quot; (subjective terms) graph of poverty, it needs to show the &#039;above poverty&#039; lines to offer perspective. Then how about comparing corporate wealth to personal wealth? Is this just liquid assets, or does it involve investments? Does it take into account untaxable income? Etc. to bloody infinity, people. You can ALWAYS argue that the data is incomplete and thus inaccurate.

The current regime ruling America (and anyone note Bush&#039;s recent comment that (I paraphrase) most Americans may want out of Iraq, but he &#039;ain&#039;t gonna do it &#039;cuz he&#039;s the Czar... I mean &#039;president&#039;.&#039;  He likes the thought of being a &quot;democratically elected dictator who has no need or desire to follow the will of the people&quot;, and has become more and more brazen about that attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread has been hijacked by a discussion of the data, but not the conclusion. Since the supporters of the Administration cannot argue the conclusion of the data, they attack the data itself. FACT: NO (none, nada, zip) presentation of data is &#8216;complete&#8217; without a lengthy description of methodology, omissions, exclusions, sources, etc. But a 93-page report on the data is not possible here&#8230; nor necessary. Every day you make decisions based on less information that is presented here in these charts. Interpreting data presented in any form (even with a 30-page exposition) requires the reader to make inferences and deductions and to assimilate the data <strong>as it is presented</strong>. Starting the graph at 0 is not necessary unless you can only interpret the information by visual recognition of the bars WITHOUT noting what they represent, but if you are doing that you are not capable of understanding the information in ANY graph (et. al.) anyway. The information relayed by visual means is dependent on YOUR understaning of the figures used to create that graph.</p>
<p>If you want ALL the available information that built these graphs, GO TO THE SOURCE YOURSELF. </p>
<p>You will note, if you check, that this is the standard &#8220;troll derailment&#8221; argument when a graph or similar data is presented:  attack the data, ignore the conclusion. And it seems to work.</p>
<p>The CONCLUSION, which is what SHOULD be the topic of discussion here, is that the Bush administration has increased the general poverty level of America and increased the amount of uninsured Americans. One could discuss the how&#8217;s and why&#8217;s of that, and tangent into the corporate welfare and corporate entitlement state that America has become. Or, one can argue to infinity that any presentation of data is a flawed presentation. So, if the graph starts at &#8220;0&#8243;, then what?  Well, how about the middle and upper classes?  They are not represented, and in order to have a &#8220;complete&#8221; and &#8220;accurate&#8221; (subjective terms) graph of poverty, it needs to show the &#8216;above poverty&#8217; lines to offer perspective. Then how about comparing corporate wealth to personal wealth? Is this just liquid assets, or does it involve investments? Does it take into account untaxable income? Etc. to bloody infinity, people. You can ALWAYS argue that the data is incomplete and thus inaccurate.</p>
<p>The current regime ruling America (and anyone note Bush&#8217;s recent comment that (I paraphrase) most Americans may want out of Iraq, but he &#8216;ain&#8217;t gonna do it &#8216;cuz he&#8217;s the Czar&#8230; I mean &#8216;president&#8217;.&#8217;  He likes the thought of being a &#8220;democratically elected dictator who has no need or desire to follow the will of the people&#8221;, and has become more and more brazen about that attitude.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=763035', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: poor and loving it</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-2/#comment-762774</link>
		<dc:creator>poor and loving it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey #42

i got my food stamps (i grow weary of caviar, but who am i to complain?) and my housing, but wheres my suv?  u got a contact number for that, or are you merely full of shit?</description>
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<p>i got my food stamps (i grow weary of caviar, but who am i to complain?) and my housing, but wheres my suv?  u got a contact number for that, or are you merely full of shit?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=762774', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jspot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poverty in America Made Simple</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-2/#comment-762660</link>
		<dc:creator>jspot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poverty in America Made Simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Having a hard time muddling through the voluminous census data on the economy and household income that came out yesterday? Think Progress boils it down to two simple graphs: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bush-merika Check-in - Head-On Headlines</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/29/bush-record/comment-page-2/#comment-762417</link>
		<dc:creator>Bush-merika Check-in - Head-On Headlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Still more good news over at Think Progress. [...]</description>
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