VIDEO: Rumsfeld Compares Iraq War Critics To Hitler Appeasers
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By on Aug 30th, 2006 at 9:40 am
VIDEO: Rumsfeld Compares Iraq War Critics To Hitler Appeasers
In a speech to the American Legion yesterday, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld continued his blistering attack on critics of the administration’s Iraq war policy.
Rumsfeld compared critics of his policies to people “in the decades before World War II” who believed Hitler “could be appeased” and “argued that the fascist threat was exaggerated — or that it was someone else’s problem.” People critical of his current efforts, according to Rumsfeld, “have still not learned history’s lessons.”
Rumsfeld added, “any moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere.” Watch it:
Read the full text of Rumsfeld’s remarks here.
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Enough already!
August 30th, 2006 at 9:42 am“any moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere.â€
How true! Except…addressed to the wrong people. Rumsfeld and the rest of BushCo and supporters each need a full-length mirror and instructions on how to use it.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:43 amFrom the link:
Public contact:
http://www.dod.mil/faq/comment.html
or +1 (703) 428-0711 +1
Let him know how you really feel.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:45 amRumsfeld added, “any moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere.â€
Rummy’s scary brain says: “…any moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of the neo-conservative movement to persevere.â€
August 30th, 2006 at 9:45 amFreedom Isn’t FreeFREEDOM COALITIONusafreedomcorpsOperation Iraqi FreedomNew Freedom Commission on Mental HealthFreedom AgendaThey hate our freedomsfreedom is on the marchExpand freedom in all the worldforce of human freedomexpansion of freedomwhen freedom came under attackFreedom Will Find a WayGod has implanted the desire for freedomcrusade for freedom across the globeGeorge W. Bush Freedom Heroes CardsOperation FreedomFreedomFriesFreedom is God’s giftFreedom at War With Fearfreedom doctrineBush’s Freedom Fuel InitiativeBush’s Freedom to Manage plan there ought to be limits to freedomMedal of FreedomIt’s about freedom. The New Freedom InitiativeVets for FreedomDemand freedomFreedom was attacked and freedom will be defended. Champions of FreedomFire of Freedom
When is the last time a Bush official talked about how to protect yourself against terror and didn’t talk about “Freedom Sloganeering”?
August 30th, 2006 at 9:46 am“any moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere.â€
COUNTRY = PARTY
August 30th, 2006 at 9:50 amPARTY = REPUBLICANS
COUNTRY = REPUBLICANS
OBEY
Wasn’t he the guy who didn’t think it was worth it to bombing Afghanistan after 9/11?
August 30th, 2006 at 9:51 am“No good targets”
we’d be just “pounding rumble”
It is ludicrous for Rummy or any of his neocon accomplices to accuse anyone of not learning the lessons of history. Had they paid any attemtion to history they would have avoided a series of blunders that have led to utter disaster.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:52 amI think Rumsfeld should resign. This guy is dangerous to our America. I am disgusted this guy is calling me a Hilter Appeaser because I feel we should not be in this illegal war in Iraq.
We need to vote Dem in November to get rid of these Republican in both houses.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:53 amWe need to impeach both Bush, cheney and his admin then we can bring our troops home.
moron alert???…
August 30th, 2006 at 9:53 amHi Mr. Mirror, I’d like you to meet ANOTHER member of bushco. You have alot in common.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:54 amRumsfeld reveals that the majority of Americans, those who oppose the war, are in fact all individual incarnations of the Anti-Christ. He is the Messiah sent by God and can do no wrong. If he adds two plus two and gets three then the mathematicians must hate God and be trying to establish a Nazi Reich.
As always, the scary thing is that the Bush believers will not see this a satire.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:55 am“Any moral or intellectual confusion that you did not know that you did not know and directed toward whomever you may or may not know regarding what is or ought to be known to be right as opposed to being opposed to a definition of right which makes it wrong is dependent upon whomever uses morally or intellectually confused tactics to weaken the ability to know what you know about morality or intellect without reference to that person and his definition of right and wrong in order to preserve the freedom to maintain that person’s standing as the arbitrator of morality and intellect despite what you may think you know.” Donald Rumsfeld’s brain
Translation: “60% of you Americans suck”
August 30th, 2006 at 9:58 amRumsfeld wouldn’t know a facsist if he looked at one in the mirror.
Someone from the liberal media should look the word up and tell the sheeples what a fascist really is. I dan’t believe they’re missing the real story here.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:00 amRumsfeld needs to be carted away in a strait jacket before he causes any more reckless destruction. The guy is clearly psychotic.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:06 amRummy: If you don’t thing the way that the ones in charge do then you are a fascist.
Try and wrap your brain around that one. It hurts…be careful.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:07 amThe sorry bastard was appointed by Hitler Jr.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:10 amThe Hitler appeasers were the folks who elected the Bush Administration. No one believes thier bullshit any more. Around the office the conservative folks are just as pissed as I am. Look at the gas prices… We need to get out of Iraq because we don’t belong there in the first place. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:17 amThis is a not very subtle way of telling the citizenry to not think, to not dare question what the government is doing. This is reminiscent of the bumper sticker I saw after I returned from Vietnam: “America- Love It or Leave It.” One of these patriotic members of the American Legion should have asked Rumsfeld in what part of the U.S. Constitution does it prohibit a member of the United States to question the government during a time of war. If the people of this country do not protest over what Rumsfeld and others in this administration are saying and how they are trying to muzzle free speech in this country, then surely the United States will only be a democracy in name only.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:17 amThis kind of stuff pisses me off.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:18 amUmm, Mr Rummy Dummy Prescott Bush, and the Investement Bankers, such as yorself, were appeasers and supporters of the Third Reich
The Liberals, Jews and anti-war folks were worked to death in slave camps, I guess that makes them involuntary Hitler supporters.
By NOT supporting this idiotic Bush supply-side resource war the anti-war folks are exactly the opposote of what you say and such is exactly why you are attacking nearly 70% of America with your investment banker hidden agenda.
Tell you what Mr Rummy, you tell us exactly what you have planned, the course only you know, and what’s in this war for me, and maybe then people will join your bush/cheney/reich wing plunder pillage and profit reich wing pirate ship.
The ‘poor’ folks you want to go fight this corporate war, Rummy, have no reason to join the bush melee as they can never profit from it. Now round up all your old cronies and get your ass to the front line bub, you helped start this war, I suggest you get all of your friends who are profiting from it and dress them out in battle gear and send your ‘paid’ employees into the heat of the battle.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:20 amRumsfeld’s comments are dead on, and were first uttered by one of Winston Churchill’s surviving family members on Rush Limbaugh’s program. Humans, being what they are, will allows follow the same behavioural patterns when presented with similar stimuli. Now that the generation of those who fought or lived through WWII no longer hold any political or financial power, the next generations will make the same mistakes. Fortunately, dubya is the son of a still living WWII veteran, and is taking the appropriate actions against Saddam Hussein and Al Quieda.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:22 amya know, don… you’re so full of shit, it’s hard to know where to begin… just take a deep breath, take your meds, and let the men in white coats gently lead you back to your office where your secretary will bring you a nice cup of hot tea with honey…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
August 30th, 2006 at 10:29 amp.s. you too, jason…
August 30th, 2006 at 10:29 amRumsfeld’s comments are dead on, and were first uttered by one of Winston Churchill’s surviving family members on Rush Limbaugh’s program. Humans, being what they are, will allows follow the same behavioural patterns when presented with similar stimuli. Now that the generation of those who fought or lived through WWII no longer hold any political or financial power, the next generations will make the same mistakes. Fortunately, dubya is the son of a still living WWII veteran, and is taking the appropriate actions against Saddam Hussein and Al Quieda.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 30, 2006 @ 10:22 am
You’re joking, right? Please tell us you’re joking.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:30 amJason, whatever they’re paying you to say this crap, it isn’t enough!
August 30th, 2006 at 10:31 am“If Iraqis are still bashing Ghengis Khan 700 years after the fact, how long do you think they will treat Americans with contempt and scorn for what Bush et al have done to Iraq, a holiest of holies?”
Comment by God of the God of Gods
Why should an American care what any poor loser thinks? Contempt and scorn? Oh, ouch, that hurts.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:32 amI love the way they title these inane rants of Rummies.
Rummy BLASTS war critics.
Since when has Rumsfeld ‘blasted’ anybody? He talks about unknown courses for chrissakes. He spends what other ‘blast’ energy he has trying to avoid answering questions.
Really, enough with the gripping, spin-o-riffic headlines already CNN. Leave that kinda stuff for Faux news will ya?
Rumsfeld Terrorizes War critics!
August 30th, 2006 at 10:32 amRumsfeld Shocks and Awes War critics!
Rumsfeld Singlehandedly Destroys war critics!
Rumsfeld Nukes War critics!
Rumsfeld Shotguns the Faces of War critics!
People critical of his current efforts, according to Rumsfeld, “have still not learned history’s lessons.â€
Someone send Rummy a copy of the DVD “Fog of War”. Rummy, we’ve only learned from history too well.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:33 amLetter to the DOD
August 30th, 2006 at 10:33 amRumsfeld’s comments are dead on, and were first uttered by one of Winston Churchill’s..–Jason Hindler
==
Ya know Jason I used to just take you for a troll, an operative of the GOP, or just a fanatical fundamentalist. Now I truly wonder what planet and time/space coordinate you exist in..but then again I also see no matter what one said to you, you would still be wandering the hallways, alone, of the Whitehouse talking to the old portraits lining the hallways..
August 30th, 2006 at 10:36 amThese people like Rummy and others in the Administration that keep speaking this “current fascism”, obviously do not know what the definition is. Of course, if they did look it up, it would say “See current Bush Administration”…
August 30th, 2006 at 10:36 amThe Bushco. reichwing and the imaginary Islamofascism: just a fascist family squable
August 30th, 2006 at 10:37 amWhy should an American care what any poor loser thinks? Contempt and scorn? Oh, ouch, that hurts.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Hey look the Anti-Christ.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:37 amDonald Rumsfeld has now dug his hole so deep that his only defense is to declare it a ‘tunnel to freedom’ and display the bones of our fathers as he exhumes them along the way.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:37 am“Why should an American care what any poor loser thinks?”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — August 30, 2006 @ 10:32 am
Because he’s the secretary of defense IRI, that’s why.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:38 am#24 Jason:
August 30th, 2006 at 10:40 amBut W didn’t even listen to that WWII vet, his OWN FATHER, who thought it was a huge mistake to go into Iraq. He knew the problems and that is why he didn’t continue the Gulf War.
Why should an American care what any poor loser thinks? Contempt and scorn? Oh, ouch, that hurts.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
A very shortsighted view. I would think those that flew planes into the World Trade Center Buildings and the Pentagon, those that are killing our troop in Iraq and Afghanistan are filled with a little scorn and contempt. Don’t ya think?
And that ‘ouch that hurts’ comment would be really nice to send to the families of the dead servicemen and women.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:41 amHumans, being what they are, will allows follow the same behavioural patterns when presented with similar stimuli. Now that the generation of those who fought or lived through WWII no longer hold any political or financial power, the next generations will make the same mistakes
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 30, 2006 @ 10:22 am
Wh wh wh wh wh wh WHAT IN THE WILD, WILD WEST ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
And please, fess up to why you haven’t enlisted yet:
Don’t worry, no sane person would ever bother asking a liberal to defend their country, so you can stay safe in your flip-flops and bermuda shorts.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
August 30th, 2006 at 10:42 amNo one could have known that Hitler was a genocidal maniac.
-Donald Rumsfeld’s Colon
August 30th, 2006 at 10:42 amHitler appeasers are to the north, south, east and west somewhat of Rumsfield.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:45 amAll this controversy about the war in Iraq makes me wonder what those soldiers who are risking their lives over there are thinking. Will they come home to find they are treated like the veterans of war after Viet Nam? Our Country is so divided because our political figures want it that way. Everything that happens today is blamed on the Bush administration. Everything including a headline recently that Mel Gibson’s incident is Bush’s fault. The Liberals have so brainwashed people that they will believe and do anything to hurt and demoralize our present government. Bush has not done everything right but at least he believes in what he is doing. Clinton did some pretty horrible things (other than sex in the White House) and yet people still believe he was okay because the economy was good at that time. He was not responsible for that either. He was riding on the coat tails of earlier administrations. Can you imagine what it will be like when we have another attack here like 9/11? We are a divided Country and do not stand together and our enemies know that. The Liberals are not interested in what is for our good as a people but what is politically good for them and they will go to any length to see that their agenda prospers. God help us all.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:47 amDon’t worry, no sane person would ever bother asking a liberal to defend their country, so you can stay safe in your flip-flops and bermuda shorts.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
You’re right, they would look to those pillars of distinguished military service such as W, Cheney, Rove, Rummy, et al. Get a clue.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:48 am#32 Nice letter Roger.
Remember folks, when you go to the polls this fall and you ask yourself if you’re better off than you were four years ago — please remember that four years ago was after 9/11.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:48 amHistory will not be kind to Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and their deluded NeoCon psychopath cronies.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:49 amI-REICH-I has the vision, and mentality of a billy goat..”Why should an American care what any poor loser thinks? Contempt and scorn? Oh, ouch, that hurts.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Because these ‘poor’ folks are your national defense silly rabbit. How many Business executives and other related government dweebs [Reps Senators Advisers], such as Rove, do you see digging trenches and getting shot at?
I wouldn’t go dissing those ‘poor losers’ if I were you I Reich I
So, I suggest you put up [go serve spoiled child/man] or shutup I Reich I.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:50 amOh, here we go again with the H references. If there IS any appeasement corrollaries, then it’s the Congress who failed to ask the tough questions before the beginning of this greated fiasco in the history of the US! And Herr Goerring at the podium there, is the greatest apologist for the the Bush Reich. Hurry up and bite down, already!
August 30th, 2006 at 10:52 amwell, hello, iris… it’s been a long, refreshing times since
August 30th, 2006 at 10:56 amyou’ve been here… lots of newbies for you to trash talk to…
mmmmm… i bet your mouth is watering, eh? try to be nice…
#44 Our Country is so divided because our political figures want it that way.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:56 amI’m sorry you are so confused. You are right, we are divided and as your quote above states, it is our political leaders. It’s not the liberals who are dividing. George Bush had the ENTIRE COUNTRY UNITED BEHIND HIM AFTER 9/11 and he BLEW IT. He divided us, and that is what the Republicans do. They are so afraid of losing power they divide us. They are in control of the government. Just what have they accomplished? Conservatives and Republicans complain that the government doesn’t work and then they get into power and prove it every time.
I fixed your post to match reality.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:59 amDon’t worry, no sane person would ever bother asking a liberal to defend their country, so you can stay safe in your flip-flops and bermuda shorts.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
You should stop that projecting stuff Jason, that is what makes your argument [opinion] so undefendable.
A; My Father served
B; My Brother served
C; My Uncle Served
D; Grandfather Served
E; Mom remarried, her new husband was shot down in bomber
F; Grandmotjer worked as rosie riveter building aircraft
G; Brother in law currently in Air Force.
so Jason, you see, you to me, are nothing but a chicken hawk. You are not worth speaking with as you know nothing about me or anyone here yet you THINK that you do.
I know many people that have served, and I couild, but won’t tell you some very horriffic stories.
Do not think that you, when you post here, are speaking to some inexperienced college youth, because you are not.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:00 amyes, rich… actually i’ve been wondering what has taken them so long to turn the tables around on the H references… it’s been years, and the comparisons to bushco are so obvious and relavent, i have wondered how they were going to twist it, and here they show us…
August 30th, 2006 at 11:01 amhopefully there’s enough who actually remember those days to be offended enough to rebel against such accusations and tell their families to do the same…
still too many sheeple, i fear…
Hitler: Invaded several countries successfully, until the West decided to stop him. He amassed a huge disciplined military which kept on fighting even as the cause was demonstrated to be completely lost, he had a strong air force, and generally was a bad person. Oh, and he was a Christian fascist who believed that the state and the Church should work together. Hitler believed a woman’s place was basically as a baby making machine.
Saddam: Invaded several countries unsuccessfully (Got his butt whooped) and amassed a huge undisciplined military, which fell apart about one month into hostilities, and had no air force to speak of. He is still a bad person. He was a debatably Islamic fascist (Muslims aren’t allowed to drink but there was plenty of wine in his palace) who had a secular government which included women in cabinet positions.
I frankly do not see the comparison. Hitler was a threat to the world, Saddam was a bad joke that had gone on a bit too long. Hitler was a highly effective military leader, Saddam, well, not so much.
Hitler’s economy was surprisingly strong before WWII. Saddam’s economy before the second Gulf War, well, not so much.
If the “He is a bad man” excuse was a valid motivation for war, why hasn’t Zimbabwe, which is currently doing much the same stuff right now that Saddam had done in the past, come up as a place to invade? If it is terrorism that is the central issue, what about Saudi Arabia? Or Czechoslovakia? Or is it only terrorism if it involves the US?
Frankly, to be absolutely honest there are more parrallels with Bush’s America and Hitler’s Germany, then between Nazi Germany and pre-War Iraq. Hitler launched a major campaign to demonise the left, he was vehemently anti-Gay rights (Indeed gays ended their days in much the same places as the Jews) and he termed all of those who didn’t agree with him traitors. Like most dictatorships there was a major weakening of core human rights such as privacy (Always the first right to go under a fascist government) and a casual acceptance of torture as a means of getting information.
Where Hitler had resentment against the Jews to capitalise on, Bush has tried to capitalise on resentment against Latino immigrants. The writings of Nazi propagandists and Republican pundits can be freely interchanged. Indeed so can the lack of diplomatic efforts, while nobody preaches appeasement there are options other then war and surrender, neither Bush nor Hitler have shown much interest in diplomacy however.
Even the treatment of intellectuals is the same, just like the acceptance of pseudo-science instead of honest study. Both states have demonstrated an outright disdain for long established universities. Indeed the anti-intellectualism demonstrated by Bush and his brown screens (IE: Trolls) are remarkable in their unoriginality.
Under both governments there has been massive abuses of power, and a lot of corruption. The only difference is, that under Bush’s America, at least half of the voting Americans had the sense to vote for the other guy. America needs to wake up and start moving for a change, because while the threat of terrorism is real, so is the threat of a president with too much power in his hands.
The Republicans can’t do anything about Bush, it would be political suicide for them if they impeached him (2 Presidents forced to resign over abuses of power in American history; both Republicans, you do the math) and it is all that will stop Bush now, it must be up to the Democrats and the independents to do what must be done. It is time to put the party aside and fight for the state, to unite and stop this from happening, because so long as the macho bullshit continues, America will continue to turn into 1930’s Germany.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:02 am#50 - Katy, IRI’s been too busy teaching a writing class in his home congressional district - the 22nd - to play here at TP. IRI, maybe you should try to get Sekula-Gibbs to change her name to Smith, it’s only 5 letters.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:02 am#51 You said the entire country was behind Bush after 9/11. This is not true. I did not believe we shioud of gone into this illegal war in Iraq. Congress did not declare this war. We went into Iraq for OIL, OIL, OIL.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:04 amKatha Pollitt hits the whole concept of “Islamofascism” hard in a fantastic column in this week’s Nation: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060911/pollitt
August 30th, 2006 at 11:04 amI would like to take this opportunity to compare Rummy to Himmler.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:05 amany questions about who THESE definitions apply to?
Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
a fascist: a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:06 amClinton did some pretty horrible things
Comment by j, corsaut — August 30, 2006 @ 10:47 am
Word of advice Mr. J, Corsaut. You’ve really need to use examples to back up your statements. What horrible things? Mr. Foster’s death? Whitewater? 2 different terror attacks? Economy? Crime rate? Surplus?
And one other quick question? Who blamed Bush for Mel Gibson?
August 30th, 2006 at 11:06 amThere is more to radio then just Limbaugh
Jason is too busy creating hundreds of jobs to enlist and fight in Iraq. He’s needed so much more here, where he is saving the economy from the devastation wrought by labor unions.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:07 amThe only fascist threat that I’m aware of is what’s happening in the U.S. under the control of Bush/Cheney/Rummy.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:08 amI think I echo a lot of people here when I say it’s this administration that’s fascist. The arabs are just @#*$@$ crazy.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:09 amRumsfeld is an idiot!
“Hey, Idiot! What about the lessons not yet learned, by idiots like you in public office, from Vietnam: and, nation building?” The only difference between Iraq and Vietnam is that there is no draft. If there where idiots like you and Bush would be run out on a rail, tarred and feathered.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:10 amRumsfeld is just a senial old man. He reminds me of grandpa Simpson. Bush needs to send that doddering old fool to an elderly home. He looks like he’s in more of a position to play a game of bingo than try to wage a war.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:11 amOperation Iraqi Liberation
August 30th, 2006 at 11:14 amO I L
O I L
O I L
OIL
neopro
Cheaper, easier, and safer ways to get the black stuff. It was all about the WsMD.
Weapons of Mass Distraction.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:16 am#62
RealScientist,
that’s what you get when you graduate from an Ivy league school (Stanford), which , I guess, educates you that the warming of the earth’s temperature is due to the chemical process that increases the strength of rubber (vulcanization), cited and researched by that top rated scientist….Michael Crichton
Oh, and blame Clinton, for not enlisting
August 30th, 2006 at 11:17 am#51 You said the entire country was behind Bush after 9/11. This is not true. I did not believe we shioud of gone into this illegal war in Iraq. Congress did not declare this war. We went into Iraq for OIL, OIL, OIL.
Comment by Mary Poplins — August 30, 2006 @ 11:04 am
I agree, and that is where he blew it. I do believe the majority of American’s were behind going into Afghanistan to get Osama Bin Laden, and that was what Congress approved with the AUF. When we had they chance in Tora Bora, Bush cut and run and went into Iraq.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:19 amThese fear-mongering lunatics just won’t shut up. Is Rummy comparing the “Islamic fascists” in Iraq to Nazis? If he is, then that means the US occupation isn’t stopping them, and has been a failure. Thanks, Rummy…
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Oops, I left out the commentary…
August 30th, 2006 at 11:19 am“Unconditional and highest freedom of will,” Himmler instructed his SS, “comes from obedience, from service to our Weltanschauung (world view), obedience which is prepared to render each and every sacrifice to pride, to external honor and to all which is dear to us personally, obedience which never falters but unconditionally follows every order which comes from the Führer or legally from superiors…”
Maybe these guys are catching on that they are being compared to fascists, and are defending themselves by accusing the acccusers of being fascists. Thats the only sense I can make out of it. This is still a Democracy right? The majority is against the war right? Then Rummy, you have to present a better case other than accusing the majority of not knowing any better.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:20 amBush has been the best thing for Al Qaida and terrorist recruitment. The terroists and Al Qaida have been the best thing for Bush. One would have had to invent the other if the other did not exist. Talk about fascism. Where is the state becoming more important than liberties? Where is there a leader of a state that is divinely selected to defeat an evil enemy? Where must internal dissent be suppressed for the good of the homeland? Hmm, pot and kettle, kettle and pot, who is blackest? Which has a state (critical for the definition of fascism) and which is an ad-hoc un-coordinated grouping of disparate elements? Which party has the most weapons? Is the US truly in a life-threatening struggle? Is terrorist activity that close to pysically taking over western states? It hard to take the claims of Islamofascism seriously when we can’t even name a leader or state to blame and we have essentially given up on finding the leader of the group that had an effective attack on the US. If we left the mideast tomorrow, the entire supposed Isamofascist structure would collapse into infighting. All we are doing is providing a unifying common enemy for these groups, and as a result, giving them more influence and strength than they ever would have had.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:20 amTerrorists are winning the media wars , Well I think The truth is The media is fed up with your lies rummy everything you say is the exact opposite and Now the media want to hear the truth from the people under occupation
August 30th, 2006 at 11:24 am‘Moral or intellectual confusion’?
Really, does that mean doubting who is in the right? If it does, it means no-one should criticise the Bush administration’s conduct of a war in Iraq that has gone horribly wrong, or a ‘war on terror’ that fights a series of phantoms.
And there was me foolishly thinking that oppositional discourse was oot some sort of idiocy, but an essential condition of a democratic society.
Even more seriously, it shows up the right wing’s binary logic again. Apparently you are either ‘with us or against us’. Any sort of doubting threatens to put you in the opposite camp, in with the ‘Islamo-wacks’, as Mighty Aphrodite would say. This sort of thinking precludes any legitimate oppositional discourse. If you try to suggest that perhaps blowing the hell out of everything isn’t the answer, you are taking the side of ‘the enemy’, regardless of the merits of your case!
And to think we went to war in Iraq in the name of freedom…
August 30th, 2006 at 11:29 amAs much as they cling to their invasion.
As much as they want it to continue . . . . well . . . . forever.
Makes a person really wonder about 9-11.
What they’ve done with it clearly shows motive.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:29 amtalk about serendipity… i just read this quote minutes ago:
“There is something very sinister to my mind in this Mesopotamian entanglement,” Winston Churchill wrote his Prime Minister, David Lloyd George, in August 1920. “Week after week and month after month for a long time we shall have a continuance of this miserable, wasteful, sporadic warfare marked from time to time certainly by minor disasters and cuttings off of troops and agents, and very possibly attended by some very grave occurence.”
that was the lead to a joe klein piece in time magazine: Even Churchill Couldn’t Figure Out Iraq… i didn’t finish the article… not a klein fan… but it sounds as if churchill’s “surviving family members” need to brush up on their family history…
August 30th, 2006 at 11:31 amMan this guy is wrong on many instances regarding this war I have to say Rumsfeld is wrong again. The threat is Islamo-fascism aka Islamic fundementalists, this is spreading throughout the world to the well educated and the ignorant.
The US policies, execution of this Iraq War, and the UN’s selective inaction and enforcement of resolutions only compound the situation and enable horrific rationalization by all extremists - republicans, democrats, and islamists.
What we need is an alien invasion to unite the world or just destroy it!
August 30th, 2006 at 11:34 am#3: My question that I posed on the DoD website:
The Secretary is out stumping telling the non-believers they are like the Hitler appeasers and the Republicans are increasingly using the term ‘fascism’ to define the enemy. So that begs the question; if this administration views the terrorists as a Hitler-like threat and they are an insidious, fascist element, why has the Secretary eschewed the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force and instead chosen to fight this titanic struggle of our generation with a minimal number of troops, and continues to do so, despite being stalemated - at best - in Iraq?
August 30th, 2006 at 11:36 amMaybe these guys are catching on that they are being compared to fascists, and are defending themselves by accusing the acccusers of being fascists.
Comment by For Truth — August 30, 2006 @ 11:20 am
This is exactly right. They have long employed a tactic of redefining terms to neuter the meaning and sow confusion.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:41 amNÄśī’ (× Ö¸×©Ö´×‚×™×) is a Hebrew term meaning, roughly, “Prince”. In classical times it was the title given to the head of the Sanhedrin, the supreme court and legislative body of ancient Israel. The position was created in about 191 BCE when the Sanhedrin lost confidence in the ability of the high priests to serve as its head.
Certain great figures from the Jewish history are referred to by this title, e.g., Judah haNasi.
In modern usage Nasi also means President. It is the title used in Modern Hebrew for any democratically elected head of state.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:46 am==
See there bush trolls | Bush is a ‘Nasi’..in Hebrew. =)
ergo:Rummy is working for the ‘NASI’ Prince George the elected.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:49 amlmao. Okay, next organized GOoP talking point??
From the mouth of a true fascist pig. You go girlie man.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:49 amGod of the God of Gods
Here I have to disagree. Blaming Israel for America’s actions is immoral. You went to war for WsMD. The elections were coming up, Bush’s economy was freefalling, and the media was looking for the next big thing. There were no good easy targets in Saudi Arabia, and the place has a history of being hard to control.
WsMD. Oil could be had in Nigeria. Israel would much rather have had America finish what it started with Osama. Defense contracts were already on the go for Afghanistan. It was Weapons of Mass Distraction that drove the war into Iraq.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:50 amSorry, read Afghanistan for Saudi Arabia.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:51 am#81 good question. One of the main reasons for the situation today. This administration looked at the worst case scenario to start the invasion of Iraq and hoped for the best case scenario when implementing the invasion. Wrong on both accounts.
To iri, jason and all the other neocons, this is what upsets me. They took their eyes off the prize and went after their own ideological goals. All the time feeding fear to the public. If we put the same effort in afghanistan as Iraq we would have truly destroyed the Taliban, had a large (and unhindered) military at the doorstep of both Iran and Pakistan and could have squeezed many nuts to get OBL and continued pressure on both Iran and Iraq. All with the support of the western world.
Didn’t happen that way. We went ater the “good targets” that Dum Rum and PNAC wanted.
It’s total bullshit for any of you to suggest that the majority of “libs” are weak on terror. Let’s go after the real targets. Let’s truly secure the ports, Let’s commit to a unified sacrifice in this country instead of going after the unknown boogey creature of Terror.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:51 am“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. “ - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichmarshall.
The irony is strong on this one; that he is using Nazi propoganda techniques to label those who don’t salute him as Nazi appeasers.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:56 amNo, Rummy, we’ve learned our history lessons very well…well enough to see the parallels between Bush’s administration and Hitler’s.
I’m getting very sick of the neocons comparing themselves to Churchill, when Churchill was trying to warn the world of the threat posed by a fascist regime that the neocons themselves faithfully emulate.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:59 amRumsfeld’s comments are dead on, and were first uttered by one of Winston Churchill’s surviving family members on Rush Limbaugh’s program. Humans, being what they are, will allows follow the same behavioural patterns when presented with similar stimuli. Now that the generation of those who fought or lived through WWII no longer hold any political or financial power, the next generations will make the same mistakes. Fortunately, dubya is the son of a still living WWII veteran, and is taking the appropriate actions against Saddam Hussein and Al Quieda.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 30, 2006 @ 10:22 am
In the Spring of 2001 it was declared that Saddam was contained, the he did not have any serious capability of producing WMD’s, the santions against him were working, and he was not a threat to his neighbors.
Or so said Colin Powell and Condi Rice.
Yet 2 years later this country was preparing an invasion because:
- Saddam had WMD’s. “We know where they are” said Rumsfeld.
- The santions weren’t doing any good.
- Saddam was a “gathering” threat to his neighbors, and the world.
As well, on 9/12/01 members of the administration, including Donald Rumsfeld, couldn’t act fast enough to set their sights on Iraq. A country, according to George Bush just a week ago, had nothing to do with the attacks the day prior to 9/12/01.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:03 pmI want Rumsfeld to tell John Murtha to his face that he (John) is no better than the Nazi sympathizers. I dare him. If he does, I hereby pledge to vote Republican across the board in November.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:06 pmMilitary families! This is not an excuse to support this evil regime. Sorry!
My husband is buried at Arlington, and he was drawn by a cortege of black horses.
The military are sworn to protect our Constitution and our country. I think you know this. You are just having trouble seeing that waiting at our gates, is Northamerican Union, the merging of Canada, USA, and Mexico. It is NAFTA incarnate, and the Globalists wil have their “New World Order” if you don’t wake up.
The European citizens were consulted about their EU (European Union). It should give you a hint, that we, Americans, in the Land of the Free, are not consulted about it.
Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld have spent millions in public relations monies, and will be “blitzing” us with it again within the next weeks. As you read the internet news, you will be getting the truth, as you can have many sources still to read and if you do so, you will find the truth. You can’t just sit and watch Fox or a couple of the others. They don’t report what Bush doesn’t want you to hear. There are two exceptions: Lou Dobbs and Keith Olbermann. Enough said.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:07 pm“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
– Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
The terrorists are out to get you! They hate your freedom! Criticism of the government makes you an appeaser! The economy is doing great! Things are going swimmingly in Iraq and Afghanistan! The terrorists are out to get you! They hate your freedom! Criticism of the government makes you an appeaser! The economy is doing great! Things are going swimmingly in Iraq and Afghanistan! The terrorists are out to get you! They hate your freedom! Criticism of the government makes you an appeaser! The economy is doing great! Things are going swimmingly in Iraq and Afghanistan! The terrorists are out to get you! They hate your freedom! Criticism of the government makes you an appeaser! The economy is doing great! Things are going swimmingly in Iraq and Afghanistan! The terrorists are out to get you! They hate your freedom! Criticism of the government makes you an appeaser! The economy is doing great! Things are going swimmingly in Iraq and Afghanistan! The terrorists are out to get you! They hate your freedom! Criticism of the government makes you an appeaser! The economy is doing great! Things are going swimmingly in Iraq and Afghanistan!
August 30th, 2006 at 12:07 pm#24 Jason:
But W didn’t even listen to that WWII vet, his OWN FATHER, who thought it was a huge mistake to go into Iraq. He knew the problems and that is why he didn’t continue the Gulf War.
Comment by BuckarooBanzai — August 30, 2006 @ 10:40 am
Tricky Dick Cheney, as I recall, also supported and agreed with Bush Sr.’s stance on not moving on to Baghdad.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pmI hereby pledge to vote Republican across the board in November.
Comment by WC — August 30, 2006 @ 12:06 pm
aw jeez, wc! remember what LIARS these people are, no qualms!
August 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pmtake it back, quick!
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.” - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1908
Honestly, how can anyone in their right mind say BushCo have efficiently served the country and not failed in their duty to stand by the country? Given the majority don’t actually believe Bush anymore, there is record debt/deficit, scandal after scandal, obvious failure in Iraq and Afghanistan. No capture of Bin Laden. Increased hatred and danger towards America. The list goes on. Real patriots stand up against these bungling buffoons!
August 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pmYeah, you go Herr Rumsfeld! Not even Hitler would try to appease an evil clone of himself.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:12 pmHitler and the Nazis were just the Neo-cons of their time.
Comparing Nazi Germany to the “terrorists” is like comparing the Yankee’s to the Japanese Little League team. This analogy is a complete falsehood created by men who are desperate to convince Americans that they themselves haven’t hurt America with their policies. The truth is that Rummy has been a complete disaster for the US, our Military and the War on Terror. PS: WHERE IS BIN LADEN??? Welcome to the scrap heap of History Don…right where you belong.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:12 pmThe fools of history are those who gain national leadership positions and then go about pursuing their own agendas. These people invariably surround themselves with dedicated “yes men” who utter pronouncements and rule in ways only the “chosen one” wishes. George Bush has chosen well. Certainly there were “appeasers at all costs” before and probably during WWII. They were wrong and were proven so by a resolute and competent administration. Historic parallel demands comparison between Hitler’s constructed incidents on his borders and the Bush administration’s surging into Iraq on the basis of what only an international policy twit would call a WMD threat. That threat was widely discounted by true patriots before enrty into Iraq. As despicable as Iraq’s regime was, how about if we had enlisted Iraq’s cooperation in this conflict (against Iran, for instance, if indeed Iran was the force behind 9/11) ? Instead, we have earned the lusty and VERY long-lived hatred from a very large part of Muslim society as well as other cultures around the world. And for George Bush?? After thousands of American lives lost in what now appears to be an easily predictable fiasco, the poor man has not gained real control over one single barrel of Iraqi oil. Perhaps we ought to have a national DAY OF PRAYER. FOR US, afterall, WE THE PEOPLE put this JERK in office.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:18 pmClinton did some pretty horrible things (other than sex in the White House)…
Comment by j, corsaut — August 30, 2006 @ 10:47 am
Name 10, with an in-depth explanation as to why they were horrible. And your opinion doesn’t count. Explain in depth how it negatively affected a majority of the American people. Hell, explain how the 10 horrible things affected you personally or financially. Provide sources where possible.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:19 pmThe Liberals are not interested in what is for our good as a people but what is politically good for them and they will go to any length to see that their agenda prospers.
Comment by j, corsaut — August 30, 2006 @ 10:47 am
You mean like the liberals in Congress and the White House who recently pushed homosexual marriage and flag burning to the top of their agenda and announced that they were the 2 most important issues facing this country?
Sounds a hell of a lot like, as you say it, “…what is politically good for them and they will go to any length to see that their agenda prospers.”
G-damn, you are ignorant.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:24 pmI want Rumsfeld to tell John Murtha to his face that he (John) is no better than the Nazi sympathizers. I dare him. If he does, I hereby pledge to vote Republican across the board in November.
Comment by WC — August 30, 2006 @ 12:06 pm
I’d pay a pretty penny to see that shit… hell I’d even vote an all Republican ticket too.
It’s not like my vote’s not going to be flipped anyway?
August 30th, 2006 at 12:25 pm#102 - “if indeed Iran was the force behind 9/11″
The “official” line, for what little it’s worth considering the bullcrap that’s come out of this administration, is that most of the alleged hijackers were allegedly from Saudi Arabia.
Well guess who protects, supplies and arms the Saudi Royal Family, that bastion of freedom and democracy? (not!). That’s right, your good friends at the government! They haven’t even said one bad word to the Saudis. Oils well that ends well I suppose.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:29 pmIf I was a true “Hitler Appeaser” I’d say: “You’re doing a heck of a job Rummy!”
Here’s what this government and its mainstream media are doing. They hide the horrors of war by broadcasting selective images to appease their warmongering ideology and their Republican base. Pure Fascism. Ironic projection on the part of Rumsfeld.
http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/iraq/iraqwar6.html
August 30th, 2006 at 12:30 pmName 10…
Comment by WC — August 30, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
i’ll even offer up a head start:
August 30th, 2006 at 12:40 pmTelecommunications Act of 1996 and NAFTA…
there’s 2 down… i’d truly like to hear the rest…
“in the decades…”
Which decade are you living in, Rumsfeld ?
August 30th, 2006 at 12:46 pmOn a side note - speaking of the ‘revisionist history’ Rumsfeld mentioned - I watched that 9/11 profile on the History channel this week and was stunned to see that it omitted, as historical fact, the largest protest in human history: The global protest of America’s invasion of Iraq. Skipped it. Completely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ February_15%2C_2003_anti-war_protest
August 30th, 2006 at 12:49 pmHorrible Things Clinton May Have Had A Hand In:
10: Shared A Cigar with Gadafi.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:57 pm9: Accepted Gadafi’s compliments on the unique taste.
8: Refused to call GW a poo-poo head on TV.
7: Didn’t kill Iraqis.
6: Made Hillary Clinton out to be the brains behind the presidency.
5: Even after she aligned herself with the same brand of nutters as published Dark Dungeons.
4: Brought about major reforms in government tax and spending, so that America actually paid some of its debts.
3: Negotiated peace between Egypt and Israel, without killing Iraqis.
2: Shared a Cigar with Bush (After Lewinski.)
1: Accepted Bush’s compliments on the unique taste.
Since Bush is also an evil dictator hated by most Americans (keep in mind that both Bush and Saddam had the job title “president”), maybe if another country came and liberated us we would throw rose peddals at them as the Iraqis were supposed to do to us? not liekely. Hey neocon whackos, if you think that iraqis are happy because we “liberated” them from their ex-president, try walking in their shoes and imagining how you would feel if Canada (or whoever) invaded America and “liberated” us from Bush.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:57 pmGod of the God of Gods
Distraction not Destruction. The two words have completely different meanings, and you will find that I am indeed right.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pmBruce:
And then there was that whole Kosovo/Bosnia thingie; y’know the one that didn’t get over two thousand soldiers killed? What was he thinking?
August 30th, 2006 at 1:01 pmBarfly
Seriously, I mean, Clinton really didn’t seem to be into this whole “Lets kill people, waste lots of money, deprive the people of their oldest basic civil rights, merge the Government with the nuttiest local Church we can find, refuse to talk to anybody with a different point of view and call all of it fighting terrorism” thing the rightwing have going. The man must have been a complete monster!
August 30th, 2006 at 1:08 pmReply to 27, Jason Hendler. Jason as usual you a dear wrong. No amount of party loyality can take away the fact that this is pure politics. It’s nothing more than Karl Rove’s attack talking points and you know it. The war in Iraq is a miserable falure and you, and Rumsfelf know it, os the stategy is to find a way to turn attention away from it. It’s easy to attack the people who think the war is basically lost and we are just losing soldiers for nothing. There is a way to win the war in Iraq, but the administration is too busy fighting the critics to come up with a winning strategy. Their “war on terror” is actually being wages on the hearts and minds of the American people. The Republicans will stop at nothing to hold on to power, including attacking the patriotism of fellow Americans who happen to disagree with them.
When did this become a one party, one thought process, facist state lead by a dictator? I’ll tell you, in 2000, and again in 2004 when stupid voters in Red States reelected this bumb and his henchmen. If anyone should be called a facist it’s not Democrats. As I recall history, states like Germany, Italy, Russia, and Japan were ruled by one dictators who killed anyone who questioned their decisions. Sound familiar without the killing part? Fools like you go marching right alone with the party, just like the Germans did during the 1930s. The end result was a World War in which millions of civilians died and 6 million Jew were killed. So go right ahead Jason and march the goosestep march of the Republican party.
But remember this idiot; “Those who forget the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them”. Yes, I’m a Democrat, but I don’t swear to everything Ted Kennedy, or Howard Dean says. I have a mind of my own and for good reason. That’s why the voters of Connitcutt were able to defeat Joe Liebermann so easily. We don’t think like a bunch of morons who have talked themselve into lynching someone based on rumor and party loyalty.
And before you go there, I don’t think we should pull out of Iraq and leave it to terrorist. I think Rumsfeld should go and be replaced by General Norman Swartzkaft. Then the bullsh-t will stop at the Pentagon and we will win the war in Irag the war on terrorism. So pull your head out of your butt and wipe away all of the sh-t that’s clogging you ears and maybel someday you’ll be able to think straight. Wake up fool, don’t you realize that when idiots like Rumsfeld spend time focusing on this political opponents rather than winning in Iraq the terrorist when. By the way you, Cheney, Rove, Bush, and Rumsfeld forget that America became a country when we questioned the policies of another King George.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:13 pmLetsGetReadyToRumblesfeld must be really envious of the Zionists as he doesn’t have a heavily abused word like “antisemite” to sledgehammer any opposition into silence. So he’s going down this route instead. At this rate US debacle in Iraq/Afghanistan will be longer than US involvement in WW2. Wasn’t “Mission Accomplished” like 3 years ago?
August 30th, 2006 at 1:14 pmkoolhandluke if there’s one thing history has shown it’s that military “solutions” do not work. Especially when battling a movement/ideaology, which may or may not manifest itself via terrorism. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, after all.
Israel has had problems for over 50 years now. Has the use of top of the range American military hardware, mass civilian punishment and decades of killing innocent and guilty alike… has it worked there? No.
The IRA troubles for the UK? Many, many years of conflict never resolved by more violence. Only dialogue and communication got it to any sort of conclusion and being resolved.
The “War on Terrorism” can never be won militarily because 1) it’s being used and abused by the very people who claim to be protecting us, for other agendas 2) you can not defeat ideas and thoughts by bombing people 3) killing and destroying innocent lives and wrecking countries helps generate even more injustice and anger.
Addition to point 1) said people who are supposed to represent and protect the electorate do neither, and have introduced measures such as the Patriot Act, Warrentless Wiretapping etc. which have eroded American civil liberties, checks and conditions even more so.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:23 pmI found this great response to Joe’s serenity ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSKJfqSza8
August 30th, 2006 at 1:24 pmAlso worth noting there were no international terrorists/Al Qaeda in Iraq. Saddam was despicable but he wasn’t in bed with international terrorists; he was violently secular and crushed any form of fundamentalist extremism.
The pandemonium and lawlessness has ONLY occurred DIRECTLY as a result of BushCo’s warlust.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:27 pmWhen the guys that actually do the fighting say you full of s%$t (like Batiste)
August 30th, 2006 at 1:34 pmthen you start to blame your incompetence on everyone but yourself, especially if you have a Borderline Personality Disorder.
Koolhandluke - (APPLAUSE - CLAP-CLAP-CLAP) - so very well said, and my sentiments exactly!
August 30th, 2006 at 1:35 pmbones - not borderline - certifiably psychopatic and sociopathic….
August 30th, 2006 at 1:36 pmThe man must have been a complete monster!
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 30, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
I know a lot of you are fond of Clinton. In my opinion Clinton is thousand times more competent than Bush…well, thats a proven fact. But, I would not hurry to praise him. What he and NATO did in Kosovo was a plain slaughter with the so-called excuse of the first war for “altruistic” reasons.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:37 pmRummy-Dummy is melting down; the sooner the better I say.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:40 pmYou sir, have my respect. You understand what a liberal is.
That said, Iraq is a matter of pissing or getting off the pot, you need to either bring in a whole lot more troops to stabilise the situation and to install a MacArthur like government to oversee the change from current chaos to stable democracy, or you need to get out. The current situation is just wasting money.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pmReply to #120: I agree that military force is not the solution to our problems, but we started this war and we have to finish it. I’m a veteran who served 11 years in the United States Army and fought in Combat several times, believe me I don’t wish that on my worst enemy, but we have to do something other than cut and run. I’m currently a Political Consultatnt for Democrats, and I know a winning strategy for getting elected and cut and run isn’t one of them. That’s not what the Democrats are advocating, but the Rove spin machine and easily claim that because our current position seems that way.
The only way for us to turn things around is to elect a majority Democrat Congress and our party will be able to effectively get us out of this mess. There are some legitimate points made by Rummy and the administration. When people think along party line, often, they get in the way of real solutions. Take yourself outside the box so to speak and think about what would happen if we just leave Iraq. The current Iraqi government and military aren’t strong enough to defeat the terrorist because our military hasn’t been able to do it with the best trained and equipped soldiers on the planet. So considering those facts, do you still want to pull out before the job is done? If you let terrorist take over, Iraq just become a base for Bin Laden and his men to plan, and carry out attacks from.
Remember I’m a die hard Democrat, who completely disagrees with Joe Lieberman and the President. However I also have a brain and can think for myself. I spoke with Gov Howard Dean’s office last week about a new strategy if Iraq and am hopeful they will implement it. But my main priorty at this point is not lettting my party put itself in a no win position on Iraq. The current position of withdrawal doesn’t solve the problem Bush and Rumsfeld created by invading Iraq. In other words as Colin Powell, who I served under in Germany has said, “You break it, you fix it”. We as Democrats must not take the opposite position just because Republicans are too stupid to figure out a solution to the problem. It is all of our problem because whether we like it or not, Bush is our President and he invaded Iraq on our behalf.
So lets give our party the best opportunity to win November by having them come up with real solutions, not just a withdrawal strategy. Our soldiers haven’t died for no reason, and a withdrawal strategy means just that.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:49 pmJuan C
Most governments are fairly murderous; it is why the Buddha decided in one story, when he was born the heir to the throne, to pretend to be mentally deficient. It is not possible to rule and still be good, and frequently stupid, stupid blunders lead to a lot of death. Clinton was a good peace time president, a challenge which is a thousand times more difficult then being a good war-president because the glamour is less and you have to really perform in order to gain any recognition whatsoever, he wasn’t a perfect peace time president.
August 30th, 2006 at 1:51 pm130. Would that also include shining a light on the Blackwater security (”contractors”) deal and get RID OF THEM FOR GOOD?
August 30th, 2006 at 1:57 pmAs I’ve said before, the American public is growing immune to terror threats. We’ve seen too many of them turn out to be so much smoke and mirrors.
After serving up the monarch of 9/11, the administration has followed with a long succession of viceroys, expecting us to react the way they desire us to on the basis of fear alone. For a while, this worked, but after terror threat after terror threat has been shown to be either a government entrapment scheme, a ridiculous exaggeration of a non-threat, or a outright hoax, we’re slowly figuring out that the orange and black butterflies are no threat at all.
The coloration of the administration’s terror threats is fast becoming meaningless. Faced with the knowledge that bluff is no longer effective, the administration will go beyond mere bluff to secure the currency of the terror threat.
In short, expect another butterfly soon. But this one won’t be a harmless viceroy, but a deadly monarch. The next ‘terrorist incident’ will cost lives. It’s the only way the neocons can revalue the terror threat.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:00 pmSo considering the striking parrallels of the rise of the Nazi party and the Bush administration that have been made over the last 6 years, the new republican talking points have been filterered down to “I know you are but what am I“?
August 30th, 2006 at 2:02 pmhe wasn’t a perfect peace time president.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 30, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
Bruce, I respect you and your balanced posts, but I didnt read in your response the slightest remorse for what Clinton did. I think you reflected very well the egocentrism of citizens from US or other I World country.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:11 pmSo Rumsfeld perceives that his critics are acting like “Hitler appeasers”. It’s interesting that the Bush administration solution to this “problem” is to implement Hitler-like tactics and policies. Is this projection, or what?
August 30th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI would think those that flew planes into the World Trade Center Buildings and the Pentagon, those that are killing our troop in Iraq and Afghanistan are filled with a little scorn and contempt. Don’t ya think?
Comment by dlet — August 30, 2006 @ 10:41 am
Just one question here, did you actually see the plane crashing the Pentagon?
August 30th, 2006 at 2:21 pmAs I recall history, states like Germany, Italy, Russia, and Japan were ruled by one dictators who killed anyone who questioned their decisions. Sound familiar without the killing part? Fools like you go marching right alone with the party, just like the Germans did during the 1930s.
Without the killing part? Ask again.
3,000 civilians in NYC on Sept. 11.
2,600 US soldiers in Iraq since 2003
10,000 + Iraqis…
Rewind to:
JFK, RFK… or anyone who was vocal enough to come forward with a different point of view against the conservatives thugs has either been threatened, demoted, fired or killed. But we will never find out the truth as they have the investigators and reporters in their pockets. That is what is so wrong in this country. CORRUPTION. Until this generation of political killers stop pro-creating or simply die themselves, we will never see an end to this useless carnage.
Fast forward to:
November 2006: All Democrats HOPEFULLY will win in majority but not without being smeared, ridiculed and harrassed based on their sexual orientaion, past weed smoking, drug indulging, mental illness, extra-marital affairs, adoption, abortion, you name it… anything that the thugs can come-up with, they will. The media will cater to their republican bosses and the propaganda wheel will keep on turning in the GOP’s favor.
A never ending circus of poor thinking against the poor people of America and a profitable killing machine for the rich people of America.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:24 pm#135 Juan,
I am sure that Bruce is more than capable of responding to you himself, but I need to ask: What did Clinton do for which Americans should feel remorse? Leading the West into stopping genocide in the Balkans?
August 30th, 2006 at 2:28 pmJuan C
I am a South African. We have something like 30% unemployment, half the population dying of AIDS, enough murders a day to rival most war zones, baby rape capital of the world, a government with 2/3rds support, Bafana Bafana (Our soccer side, good mainly for comic relief), we are getting the World Cup* etc… There are good things, such as our growing economy and movements towards recovery, but we are distinctly third world.
The thing is that too much in the way of monstrous action occurs nowadays, too many massacres, too many nutters trying to force the end of the world in the hopes of seeing their gods, too many people talking like Nazis for me to really see Clinton as a villain.
Clinton had his faults, but his time in office was a time of relative calm. Bush has succeeded in destroying that calm and replacing it with chaos. Remember when things were good and it was okay to criticise the American president?
*Why this is a bad thing: Read the rest of the list.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:32 pmShorter Rummy: Unless you agree to accept a fascist government by giving up your Constitutional rights, we cannot protect you from the facists who seek to take away your Constitutional rights.
Shorter Rummy: The Iraq war has benn a giant clusterfuck from the beginning. Shut up and allow us to continue the clusterfucking, out of which will surely emerge VICTORY (eventually)
Logic; it’s not for neocons and never was
August 30th, 2006 at 2:35 pmWell I’ll say this.
Rummy got it ALMOST right.
What he meant to say was Bush supporters are like the German people who supported Hitler.
Thats what he meant to say.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:41 pmBush supporters are like the German citizens living outside of Buchenwald who said “oh we didn’t know. We thought they were burning rubbish“.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:42 pmAs the world begins to achknowledge our crimes in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, and Hadifa and Ramadi, the right wing will suddenly develop a collective case of selective memory loss.
Oh we didn’t know they’ll say.
We thought they were killing terrorists.