Comments on: White House ‘Cuts And Runs’ on ‘Stay the Course’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:01:11 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Bob http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-877045 Bob Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:46:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-877045 Yeah shut it Marley you big poofta! Yeah shut it Marley you big poofta!

]]> By: nym@alias.net http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-818786 nym@alias.net Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:10:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-818786 oh, marley i forgot to add, your using another right wing tactic: argumentum ad misericordiam the appeal to pity. you are a hypocrit, plant, and stooge. oh, marley

i forgot to add, your using another right wing tactic:

argumentum ad misericordiam

the appeal to pity.

you are a hypocrit, plant, and stooge.

]]> By: nym@alias.net http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-817976 nym@alias.net Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:30:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-817976 marley, how many times can you possibly twist your strange reality? i won't let the issue die, sorry, you're a hypocrit. fool i might be for giving you the benifit of the doubt for rationalization. clearly you don't seem to be able to read - perhaps even understand english. you interject left field wedge issues. and i still believe your a plant ( on many levels ) attack, nah, have not even began. just pointing out your incredible double standards and hypocracy. marley, how many times can you possibly twist your strange reality?

i won’t let the issue die, sorry, you’re a hypocrit.

fool i might be for giving you the benifit of the doubt for rationalization.

clearly you don’t seem to be able to read – perhaps even understand english. you interject left field wedge issues. and i still believe your a plant ( on many levels )

attack, nah, have not even began.

just pointing out your incredible double standards and hypocracy.

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-777074 coachjason Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:07:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-777074 # 118 NeoCon Baby killing in Iraq So you want to bring this discussion down to babykilling... Here's some real statistics for you <em>How many? During the 1980s and 1990s total abortions in the U.S. stayed about 1,550,000 annually, slowly decreasing in the 1990s. Note that the Guttmacher Institute reported that 10% of known abortion providers did not report. Adding 10% to its 1,550,000 equals 1,700,000. The total reported slowly decreased in the 1990s. When the unreported abortions are added (income tax evasion, cover-up for privacy, etc.), a figure of 1,800,000 may be more realistic. Live births have hovered just under 4,000,000. Therefore: Almost every third baby conceived in America is killed by abortion. 112 Abortion Surveillance U.S. 1988 Morbidity & Mortality Weekly Report Centers for Disease Control, Atlanta, July 1991. S.K. Henshaw et al., "Abortion Services in the U.S., 1987-1988," Family Planning Perspectives, Vol. 22, No. 3 (May-June 1990), p. 103. </em> So Now if we're going to compare baby-killing methods, blood is on your hands too. But,like a typical coward, NCBKiI loves to point out the err of others ways and deny his own. # 118 NeoCon Baby killing in Iraq So you want to bring this discussion down to babykilling… Here’s some real statistics for you How many? During the 1980s and 1990s total abortions in the U.S. stayed about 1,550,000 annually, slowly decreasing in the 1990s. Note that the Guttmacher Institute reported that 10% of known abortion providers did not report. Adding 10% to its 1,550,000 equals 1,700,000. The total reported slowly decreased in the 1990s. When the unreported abortions are added (income tax evasion, cover-up for privacy, etc.), a figure of 1,800,000 may be more realistic. Live births have hovered just under 4,000,000. Therefore: Almost every third baby conceived in America is killed by abortion. 112 Abortion Surveillance U.S. 1988 Morbidity & Mortality Weekly Report Centers for Disease Control, Atlanta, July 1991. S.K. Henshaw et al., “Abortion Services in the U.S., 1987-1988,” Family Planning Perspectives, Vol. 22, No. 3 (May-June 1990), p. 103. So Now if we’re going to compare baby-killing methods, blood is on your hands too. But,like a typical coward, NCBKiI loves to point out the err of others ways and deny his own.

]]> By: Marley http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-771241 Marley Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:44:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-771241 Nym, If sexual orientation is not an issue of yours and you're the only one laughing... Go back to your ugly righteous self and leave me alone will you? It is easy to see from your attacks that you have it for gays and just want to silence my outrage against what happened earlier. You're a fool. Nym,
If sexual orientation is not an issue of yours and you’re the only one laughing… Go back to your ugly righteous self and leave me alone will you?
It is easy to see from your attacks that you have it for gays and just want to silence my outrage against what happened earlier. You’re a fool.

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-769057 WaltTheMan Sat, 02 Sep 2006 03:58:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-769057 #116 - IFMR, I am merely against calling anyone a baby killer without justification. It is one of my sore points. That term or implication evokes a most horrendous and thoughtless image. #116 – IFMR,
I am merely against calling anyone a baby killer without justification. It is one of my sore points. That term or implication evokes a most horrendous and thoughtless image.

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-768530 WaltTheMan Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:05:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-768530 #114 - MFR, While coachjason is a bit off the wall, that was a bit cruel. I can take him at his word that he was on an 8 month stint in Iraq, I doubt it, but casualty numbers by unit do sometimes bring our service men and women stateside in some cases. In Nam, the number was 50% combo (disabled plus dead) or 30% dead, after that esprit de corps sinks to depression. #114 – MFR,
While coachjason is a bit off the wall, that was a bit cruel. I can take him at his word that he was on an 8 month stint in Iraq, I doubt it, but casualty numbers by unit do sometimes bring our service men and women stateside in some cases. In Nam, the number was 50% combo (disabled plus dead) or 30% dead, after that esprit de corps sinks to depression.

]]> By: nym@alias.net http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-767299 nym@alias.net Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:46:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-767299 as i re-read your last post, Markly, seems there to be a misunderstanding. <blockquote>... For you to accuse me of being a hypocritical republican for poointing such hatred against anyone who is gay or anyone with a brain PERIOD is the most appalling hypocrisy of all TP’s history.</blockquote> not accusing you of pointing hatred at anyone. i am accusing you of sterotyping a community, in this instance the named progressive community. <blockquote>This progressive site and most of [its progressives], on deep defamation of character and hate issues, seem to turn a blind eye… I may have over-estimated the progressive thinkers of today as being the liberators of tomorrow.</blockquote> you have sterotyped a community as the majority turning a blind eye. in both your issue with DLC and mine issue with you, there exist the issue of sterotyping a community. you cried foul when someone does it, yet you choose to do the same. how could you justify this? how do you know blind eyes are turned? do you know what others think in their mind behind the LCD? do you have telepathy that feeds you this information? ask yourself these questions, please, before sterotyping communities - for whatever your reason. as i re-read your last post, Markly, seems there to be a misunderstanding.

… For you to accuse me of being a hypocritical republican for poointing such hatred against anyone who is gay or anyone with a brain PERIOD is the most appalling hypocrisy of all TP’s history.

not accusing you of pointing hatred at anyone.

i am accusing you of sterotyping a community, in this instance the named progressive community.

This progressive site and most of [its progressives], on deep defamation of character and hate issues, seem to turn a blind eye… I may have over-estimated the progressive thinkers of today as being the liberators of tomorrow.

you have sterotyped a community as the majority turning a blind eye.

in both your issue with DLC and mine issue with you, there exist the issue of sterotyping a community.

you cried foul when someone does it, yet you choose to do the same.

how could you justify this? how do you know blind eyes are turned? do you know what others think in their mind behind the LCD? do you have telepathy that feeds you this information?

ask yourself these questions, please, before sterotyping communities – for whatever your reason.

]]> By: nym@alias.net http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766888 nym@alias.net Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:39:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766888 sexual preference is not an issue of mine, nor did i bring it to light. at issue is the sterotyping of communities - regardless of race, creed, religion, sexual preference. to condemn others for actions, yet turn around and produce like actions - is very elitist, and just silly at best. live in hypocracy, all you desire - but don't be surprised when others laugh. sexual preference is not an issue of mine, nor did i bring it to light.

at issue is the sterotyping of communities – regardless of race, creed, religion, sexual preference.

to condemn others for actions, yet turn around and produce like actions – is very elitist, and just silly at best.

live in hypocracy, all you desire – but don’t be surprised when others laugh.

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766695 coachjason Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:30:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766695 re: 105 Republican Cut and Run means Pillage and Run 104 So your “viable alternative” actually is CUT-AND-RUN. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am I believe what you are referring to would aptly be described as “Pillage and Run.” However, I do not advocate “Pillaging and Running.” I do advocate an immedate withdrawl of US troops from Iraq and hopefully a negotation with the rest of the world to help the US clean up our mess. I’m sure the rest of the world would be willing to assist Iraq, especially the Europeans who want to exchange Oil for Euros, which is why the US invaded Iraq in the first place. those negotiations with the rest of the world just went so well with the Israel/Hezbollah conflict. How much oil have we taken from Iraq? Oh what's that... zero? I'm sure the Euro's will spend just fine in Iran. Handing over a war torn country to people who could not defend themselves or their new found freedom from those who use terror as a weapon… along with roadside bombs, rpg’s, and m-16’s. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am I would describe the act of withdrawl more akin to releasing hostages. Iraq is currently being held hostage by Republican NeoCon terrorists. Obviously they were unable to defend themselves from the Republican NeoCon terrorists. I doubt the fate of the Iraqi people would be any worse than it is now…having your country occupied by foreign invaders who launched an illegal war against you in order to steal your resources and prevent you from trading oil for euros. Whats worse than that? Obviously the people of Iraq feel terrorized and want the US invaders out of Iraq or they wouldn’t be utilizing road side bombs, etc. Glad to know you can speak for the Iraqi's... are you one? Have you ever spent one minute with one? If you had I'm sure your tune would change. The people of Iraq already felt terrorized, most (that I've met) are willing to sacrifice during this war to get their freedom. I would not be opposed if Iraq were to just fall to a normal style civil war (you know where those who want freedom fight against oppression). Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am Yes, it seems the Republican NeoCons prefer Iraq and the middle east to be destabalized completely. This is a good tactic to prevent other countries from securing oil or oil contracts in the region. This keeps the oil flowing exclusively through the hands of the NeoCons as the global oil middlemen. And it forces the world to trade oil for dollars instead of euros. Still stuck on oil huh? another ultralib talking point with no proven merit. Yes we protected oil fields. It's the Iraqi's main source of livelihood. I guess you'd rather see the American dollar worth nothing compared to the Euro. Heck, maybe we should just turn control of America right back over to Mother England? But that is not what we’re dealing with in Iraq and you know it… not admitting it to yourself doesn’t make it untrue. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am Greed, pure and simple. Freedom, more pure... less simple Then we would beg their forgiveness??? Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am Yes, its the least we can do. no need for forgiveness when you can give them something to thank you for. It’ll be hard to forgive anyone when you’re dead. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am So you think the NeoCons will leave no one left alive, no child left behind? Thats very sad indeed. terrorist will leave no one behind... much like you'd kill every baby and conservative if they were all unable to defend themselves. Then we could just send them money (reparations)? I’m sure they’d use that to build schools and hospitals right? You can’t possibly be this short sighted can you? Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am I see…how could I possibly believe these foreign “savages” would do anything positive with the money, which is why we should take it from them? It sounds like you want to trade them some beads for oil. Maybe they'll try their best to build a stadium for an NFL Europe team. Good luck in the midterms though…lol Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am No luck needed. Just the truth and some good Americans taking the country back from the criminals that stole it. Believe me, you still need luck. And you need to keep suppressing military votes like Ed Rendell did in Pennsylvania. What he did blows away what you think Ken Blackwell did in Ohio. Do some more homework, and read something than the liberal playbook. re: 105 Republican Cut and Run means Pillage and Run

104 So your “viable alternative” actually is CUT-AND-RUN.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

I believe what you are referring to would aptly be described as “Pillage and Run.” However, I do not advocate “Pillaging and Running.” I do advocate an immedate withdrawl of US troops from Iraq and hopefully a negotation with the rest of the world to help the US clean up our mess. I’m sure the rest of the world would be willing to assist Iraq, especially the Europeans who want to exchange Oil for Euros, which is why the US invaded Iraq in the first place.

those negotiations with the rest of the world just went so well with the Israel/Hezbollah conflict. How much oil have we taken from Iraq? Oh what’s that… zero? I’m sure the Euro’s will spend just fine in Iran.

Handing over a war torn country to people who could not defend themselves or their new found freedom from those who use terror as a weapon… along with roadside bombs, rpg’s, and m-16’s.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

I would describe the act of withdrawl more akin to releasing hostages. Iraq is currently being held hostage by Republican NeoCon terrorists. Obviously they were unable to defend themselves from the Republican NeoCon terrorists. I doubt the fate of the Iraqi people would be any worse than it is now…having your country occupied by foreign invaders who launched an illegal war against you in order to steal your resources and prevent you from trading oil for euros. Whats worse than that? Obviously the people of Iraq feel terrorized and want the US invaders out of Iraq or they wouldn’t be utilizing road side bombs, etc.

Glad to know you can speak for the Iraqi’s… are you one? Have you ever spent one minute with one? If you had I’m sure your tune would change. The people of Iraq already felt terrorized, most (that I’ve met) are willing to sacrifice during this war to get their freedom.

I would not be opposed if Iraq were to just fall to a normal style civil war (you know where those who want freedom fight against oppression).
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

Yes, it seems the Republican NeoCons prefer Iraq and the middle east to be destabalized completely. This is a good tactic to prevent other countries from securing oil or oil contracts in the region. This keeps the oil flowing exclusively through the hands of the NeoCons as the global oil middlemen. And it forces the world to trade oil for dollars instead of euros.

Still stuck on oil huh? another ultralib talking point with no proven merit. Yes we protected oil fields. It’s the Iraqi’s main source of livelihood. I guess you’d rather see the American dollar worth nothing compared to the Euro. Heck, maybe we should just turn control of America right back over to Mother England?

But that is not what we’re dealing with in Iraq and you know it… not admitting it to yourself doesn’t make it untrue.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

Greed, pure and simple.
Freedom, more pure… less simple

Then we would beg their forgiveness???
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

Yes, its the least we can do.
no need for forgiveness when you can give them something to thank you for.

It’ll be hard to forgive anyone when you’re dead.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

So you think the NeoCons will leave no one left alive, no child left behind? Thats very sad indeed. terrorist will leave no one behind… much like you’d kill every baby and conservative if they were all unable to defend themselves.

Then we could just send them money (reparations)? I’m sure they’d use that to build schools and hospitals right? You can’t possibly be this short sighted can you?
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

I see…how could I possibly believe these foreign “savages” would do anything positive with the money, which is why we should take it from them? It sounds like you want to trade them some beads for oil.
Maybe they’ll try their best to build a stadium for an NFL Europe team.
Good luck in the midterms though…lol
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

No luck needed. Just the truth and some good Americans taking the country back from the criminals that stole it.
Believe me, you still need luck. And you need to keep suppressing military votes like Ed Rendell did in Pennsylvania. What he did blows away what you think Ken Blackwell did in Ohio. Do some more homework, and read something than the liberal playbook.

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766570 coachjason Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:30:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766570 <em>Indict Republicans</em> Your distaste for those who do not share your political views has left you with the inability to think for yourself. Your left-wing talking points merit you no brownie points with anyone outside your party. After-all here you are trying to debate on a website composed of those who share your views, thereby not allowing you your own coherent thoughts. It's sad, you've put conservatives in the same group that others have put blacks and gays in. You think of them as a group not worthy of anything. I actually feel sorry for you. You will tow your party line without ever adding your own personality to it. so much for our melting pot... I guess as long as it's your pot and you don't have to melt. Indict Republicans Your distaste for those who do not share your political views has left you with the inability to think for yourself. Your left-wing talking points merit you no brownie points with anyone outside your party. After-all here you are trying to debate on a website composed of those who share your views, thereby not allowing you your own coherent thoughts. It’s sad, you’ve put conservatives in the same group that others have put blacks and gays in. You think of them as a group not worthy of anything. I actually feel sorry for you. You will tow your party line without ever adding your own personality to it. so much for our melting pot… I guess as long as it’s your pot and you don’t have to melt.

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766559 coachjason Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:21:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766559 PLC comparing the Iraq war, the war on terror, or whatever other war you want to talk about to suicide is irresponsible at best. There is a viable alternative that does involve "staying the couse" and also clearly defining the course. We complain about not giving our soldiers the equipment to fight the war. That also rings true when it comes to giving the Iraqi's the tools to defend themselves. Why not help them to build their own army. And their own police force. Give them what they need to take a seat along side other democracies at the world table. They do not deserve the position the terrorists and the rest of the world has left them in. I've been there. I've eaten at the table of Iraqi civilians. I've kissed a crying Iraqi baby on the cheek. I've gazed into it's eyes and prayed to God that we can give them the kind of life we enjoy eveyrday. The kind of life that they <strong>DESERVE</strong>. Leaving Iraq is not giving them up for adoption... it's an outright abortion. I'm sorry we don't agree on this.. that's what makes our country great, disagreeing wholeheartedly then going out for a beer afterward. I don't carry the apathy for liberals that you libs seem to carry for us conservatives. And, though I'm not a betting man, I'm sure I'll be called some more names by you guys before the day is over. And that name calling will get us where??? I'm sure it won't be to a real solution! PLC comparing the Iraq war, the war on terror, or whatever other war you want to talk about to suicide is irresponsible at best. There is a viable alternative that does involve “staying the couse” and also clearly defining the course. We complain about not giving our soldiers the equipment to fight the war. That also rings true when it comes to giving the Iraqi’s the tools to defend themselves. Why not help them to build their own army. And their own police force. Give them what they need to take a seat along side other democracies at the world table. They do not deserve the position the terrorists and the rest of the world has left them in. I’ve been there. I’ve eaten at the table of Iraqi civilians. I’ve kissed a crying Iraqi baby on the cheek. I’ve gazed into it’s eyes and prayed to God that we can give them the kind of life we enjoy eveyrday. The kind of life that they DESERVE. Leaving Iraq is not giving them up for adoption… it’s an outright abortion. I’m sorry we don’t agree on this.. that’s what makes our country great, disagreeing wholeheartedly then going out for a beer afterward. I don’t carry the apathy for liberals that you libs seem to carry for us conservatives. And, though I’m not a betting man, I’m sure I’ll be called some more names by you guys before the day is over. And that name calling will get us where??? I’m sure it won’t be to a real solution!

]]> By: Indict Republicans http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766549 Indict Republicans Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:11:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766549 <strong>re: 105 Republican Cut and Run means Pillage and Run</strong> <em>104 So your “viable alternative” actually is CUT-AND-RUN. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>I believe what you are referring to would aptly be described as "Pillage and Run." However, I do not advocate "Pillaging and Running." I do advocate an immedate withdrawl of US troops from Iraq and hopefully a negotation with the rest of the world to help the US clean up our mess. I'm sure the rest of the world would be willing to assist Iraq, especially the Europeans who want to exchange Oil for Euros, which is why the US invaded Iraq in the first place.</strong> <em>Handing over a war torn country to people who could not defend themselves or their new found freedom from those who use terror as a weapon… along with roadside bombs, rpg’s, and m-16’s. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>I would describe the act of withdrawl more akin to releasing hostages. Iraq is currently being held hostage by Republican NeoCon terrorists. Obviously they were unable to defend themselves from the Republican NeoCon terrorists. I doubt the fate of the Iraqi people would be any worse than it is now...having your country occupied by foreign invaders who launched an illegal war against you in order to steal your resources and prevent you from trading oil for euros. Whats worse than that? Obviously the people of Iraq feel terrorized and want the US invaders out of Iraq or they wouldn't be utilizing road side bombs, etc.</strong> <em>I would not be opposed if Iraq were to just fall to a normal style civil war (you know where those who want freedom fight against oppression). Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>Yes, it seems the Republican NeoCons prefer Iraq and the middle east to be destabalized completely. This is a good tactic to prevent other countries from securing oil or oil contracts in the region. This keeps the oil flowing exclusively through the hands of the NeoCons as the global oil middlemen. And it forces the world to trade oil for dollars instead of euros.</strong> <em>But that is not what we’re dealing with in Iraq and you know it… not admitting it to yourself doesn’t make it untrue. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>Greed, pure and simple.</strong> <em>Then we would beg their forgiveness??? Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>Yes, its the least we can do.</strong> <em>It’ll be hard to forgive anyone when you’re dead. Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>So you think the NeoCons will leave no one left alive, no child left behind? Thats very sad indeed.</strong> <em>Then we could just send them money (reparations)? I’m sure they’d use that to build schools and hospitals right? You can’t possibly be this short sighted can you? Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>I see...how could I possibly believe these foreign "savages" would do anything positive with the money, which is why we should take it from them? It sounds like you want to trade them some beads for oil.</strong> <em>Good luck in the midterms though…lol Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am </em> <strong>No luck needed. Just the truth and some good Americans taking the country back from the criminals that stole it.</strong> re: 105 Republican Cut and Run means Pillage and Run

104 So your “viable alternative” actually is CUT-AND-RUN.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

I believe what you are referring to would aptly be described as “Pillage and Run.” However, I do not advocate “Pillaging and Running.” I do advocate an immedate withdrawl of US troops from Iraq and hopefully a negotation with the rest of the world to help the US clean up our mess. I’m sure the rest of the world would be willing to assist Iraq, especially the Europeans who want to exchange Oil for Euros, which is why the US invaded Iraq in the first place.

Handing over a war torn country to people who could not defend themselves or their new found freedom from those who use terror as a weapon… along with roadside bombs, rpg’s, and m-16’s.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

I would describe the act of withdrawl more akin to releasing hostages. Iraq is currently being held hostage by Republican NeoCon terrorists. Obviously they were unable to defend themselves from the Republican NeoCon terrorists. I doubt the fate of the Iraqi people would be any worse than it is now…having your country occupied by foreign invaders who launched an illegal war against you in order to steal your resources and prevent you from trading oil for euros. Whats worse than that? Obviously the people of Iraq feel terrorized and want the US invaders out of Iraq or they wouldn’t be utilizing road side bombs, etc.

I would not be opposed if Iraq were to just fall to a normal style civil war (you know where those who want freedom fight against oppression).
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

Yes, it seems the Republican NeoCons prefer Iraq and the middle east to be destabalized completely. This is a good tactic to prevent other countries from securing oil or oil contracts in the region. This keeps the oil flowing exclusively through the hands of the NeoCons as the global oil middlemen. And it forces the world to trade oil for dollars instead of euros.

But that is not what we’re dealing with in Iraq and you know it… not admitting it to yourself doesn’t make it untrue.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

Greed, pure and simple.

Then we would beg their forgiveness???
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

Yes, its the least we can do.

It’ll be hard to forgive anyone when you’re dead.
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

So you think the NeoCons will leave no one left alive, no child left behind? Thats very sad indeed.

Then we could just send them money (reparations)? I’m sure they’d use that to build schools and hospitals right? You can’t possibly be this short sighted can you?
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

I see…how could I possibly believe these foreign “savages” would do anything positive with the money, which is why we should take it from them? It sounds like you want to trade them some beads for oil.

Good luck in the midterms though…lol
Comment by coachjason — September 1, 2006 @ 8:21 am

No luck needed. Just the truth and some good Americans taking the country back from the criminals that stole it.

]]> By: PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766528 PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:56:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766528 coachjason Sometimes there is no "viable alternative". If surgeons perform an operation and the patient dies, there is no "viable alternative". If a person decides to end their emotional pain through suicide, there is no "viable alternative". If one country invades another, ignoring the likelihood of civil unrest and sectarian violence, there is no "viable alternative". Iraq was a powderkeg, "protected" by a dictator and the U.S. took away that dictator. Now, all the issues in that country are surfacing. While the U.S. is not responsible, entirely, for creating that underlying turmoil, why should the U.S. continue to contribute to the unrest anymore? All that is left for a "true alternative" is to leave their country and culture to them. We might be part of the solution by no longer being part of the problem. coachjason
Sometimes there is no “viable alternative”. If surgeons perform an operation and the patient dies, there is no “viable alternative”. If a person decides to end their emotional pain through suicide, there is no “viable alternative”. If one country invades another, ignoring the likelihood of civil unrest and sectarian violence, there is no “viable alternative”. Iraq was a powderkeg, “protected” by a dictator and the U.S. took away that dictator. Now, all the issues in that country are surfacing. While the U.S. is not responsible, entirely, for creating that underlying turmoil, why should the U.S. continue to contribute to the unrest anymore? All that is left for a “true alternative” is to leave their country and culture to them. We might be part of the solution by no longer being part of the problem.

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766480 coachjason Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:21:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766480 104 So your "viable alternative" actually is <strong>CUT-AND-RUN</strong>. Handing over a war torn country to people who could not defend themselves or their new found freedom from those who use terror as a weapon... along with roadside bombs, rpg's, and m-16's. I would not be opposed if Iraq were to just fall to a normal style civil war (you know where those who want freedom fight against oppression). But that is not what we're dealing with in Iraq and you know it... not admitting it to yourself doesn't make it untrue. Then we would beg their forgiveness??? It'll be hard to forgive anyone when you're dead. Then we could just send them money (reparations)? I'm sure they'd use that to build schools and hospitals right? You can't possibly be this short sighted can you? Good luck in the midterms though...lol 104 So your “viable alternative” actually is CUT-AND-RUN. Handing over a war torn country to people who could not defend themselves or their new found freedom from those who use terror as a weapon… along with roadside bombs, rpg’s, and m-16’s. I would not be opposed if Iraq were to just fall to a normal style civil war (you know where those who want freedom fight against oppression). But that is not what we’re dealing with in Iraq and you know it… not admitting it to yourself doesn’t make it untrue. Then we would beg their forgiveness??? It’ll be hard to forgive anyone when you’re dead. Then we could just send them money (reparations)? I’m sure they’d use that to build schools and hospitals right? You can’t possibly be this short sighted can you? Good luck in the midterms though…lol

]]> By: Indict Republicans http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766468 Indict Republicans Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:08:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766468 <strong>re: 103 viable alternative to staying the course</strong> I guess it all depends on how you define "viable." If you mean viable in the NeoCon sense that withdrawing from Iraq would mean abandoning the oil and allowing the Iraqis to exchange oil for Euros instead of PetroDollars, it seems there is no "viable" NeoCon option to "staying the course." However, if you're refering to a morally and ethically viable alternative to "staying ths course" its very simple. The US should immediately withdraw from Iraq, beg the Iraqi people for forgiveness, and immediately begin reparations for an illegal war against Iraq based on lies in order to secure Iraqi oil. Since the corrupt NeoCons will never agree to this, we'll just have to go with moral and ethical plan B: Vote all Republicans out of office as soon as possible and impeach/indict all Republicans for war crimes and crimes against the American people. It looks like we'll be going with plan B this November. re: 103 viable alternative to staying the course

I guess it all depends on how you define “viable.” If you mean viable in the NeoCon sense that withdrawing from Iraq would mean abandoning the oil and allowing the Iraqis to exchange oil for Euros instead of PetroDollars, it seems there is no “viable” NeoCon option to “staying the course.” However, if you’re refering to a morally and ethically viable alternative to “staying ths course” its very simple. The US should immediately withdraw from Iraq, beg the Iraqi people for forgiveness, and immediately begin reparations for an illegal war against Iraq based on lies in order to secure Iraqi oil. Since the corrupt NeoCons will never agree to this, we’ll just have to go with moral and ethical plan B: Vote all Republicans out of office as soon as possible and impeach/indict all Republicans for war crimes and crimes against the American people. It looks like we’ll be going with plan B this November.

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-3/#comment-766460 coachjason Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:29:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766460 #67 PLC. If you don't mind I'm changing my user name for future reference. I acidentally posted my full real name yesterday and don't want to do it again. But I was right. I did all but agree with you "liberals" that the U.S. should not be in Iraq and begged you guys for a viable alternative to staying the course, and all you could do is call me names and yell at me for using your holy Clinton's name in vain. Still no alternative though! Is that what defines "progressives" nowadays... Name calling? But yes, I'll stick around for a while, I love a good political debate as long as it's in the interest of gaining knowledge. If I wanted to be called names I could walk to my local Democrat headquarters and say "McCain in '08" or " Hillary is a witch". Kidding of course, but it would sure save me a lot of typing. #67 PLC. If you don’t mind I’m changing my user name for future reference. I acidentally posted my full real name yesterday and don’t want to do it again. But I was right. I did all but agree with you “liberals” that the U.S. should not be in Iraq and begged you guys for a viable alternative to staying the course, and all you could do is call me names and yell at me for using your holy Clinton’s name in vain. Still no alternative though! Is that what defines “progressives” nowadays… Name calling? But yes, I’ll stick around for a while, I love a good political debate as long as it’s in the interest of gaining knowledge. If I wanted to be called names I could walk to my local Democrat headquarters and say “McCain in ‘08″ or ” Hillary is a witch”. Kidding of course, but it would sure save me a lot of typing.

]]> By: PETRODOLLAR WARFARE http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-2/#comment-766332 PETRODOLLAR WARFARE Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:16:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766332 <strong>PETRODOLLAR WARFARE OIL, IRAQ AND THE FUTURE OF THE DOLLAR </strong> "The invasion of Iraq may well be remembered as the first oil currency war. Far from being a response to 9-11 terrorism or Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, William R. Clark's new book, <strong>Petrodollar Warfare Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar</strong>, argues that the invasion was precipitated by two converging phenomena: the imminent peak in global oil production, and the ascendance of the euro currency." Continued: http://www.world-wire.com/news/1215050002.html PETRODOLLAR WARFARE OIL, IRAQ AND THE FUTURE OF THE DOLLAR

“The invasion of Iraq may well be remembered as the first oil currency war. Far from being a response to 9-11 terrorism or Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction, William R. Clark’s new book, Petrodollar Warfare Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar, argues that the invasion was precipitated by two converging phenomena: the imminent peak in global oil production, and the ascendance of the euro currency.”

Continued: http://www.world-wire.com/news/1215050002.html

]]> By: Republicans & the DLC; one happy corrupt family http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-2/#comment-766327 Republicans & the DLC; one happy corrupt family Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:10:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766327 Question: Whats the difference between the DLC and the Republican party? Answer: NOTHING, they're funded by the same special interest groups. Lets not confuse the DLC with the bonofide Liberal/Progressive Dems that kicked DLC Lieberman out. Question: Whats the difference between the DLC and the Republican party?

Answer: NOTHING, they’re funded by the same special interest groups.

Lets not confuse the DLC with the bonofide Liberal/Progressive Dems that kicked DLC Lieberman out.

]]> By: Marley http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/comment-page-2/#comment-766166 Marley Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:52:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/31/stay-the-course/#comment-766166 I don't give a rat's republican or democrat's ass if you think this is off topic. My POINT goes back to what #1. DLC said...<em>"spit-covered gay lips"</em> That was one of the sickest gay-bashing "OFF TOPIC" while you are so inclined in putting me in that category... CASE AND POINT... It had NOTHING to do with this "Stay The Course" BS! For you to accuse me of being a hypocritical republican for poointing such hatred against anyone who is gay or anyone with a brain PERIOD is the most appalling hypocrisy of all TP's history. I don’t give a rat’s republican or democrat’s ass if you think this is off topic.
My POINT goes back to what #1. DLC said…“spit-covered gay lips”
That was one of the sickest gay-bashing “OFF TOPIC” while you are so inclined in putting me in that category… CASE AND POINT… It had NOTHING to do with this “Stay The Course” BS!
For you to accuse me of being a hypocritical republican for poointing such hatred against anyone who is gay or anyone with a brain PERIOD is the most appalling hypocrisy of all TP’s history.

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