Here are some 9/11 conspiracy videos. The first is a link to a full-length documentary called “Loose Change” (click on the link and follow the link to the video):

http://www.loosechange911.com/

Other shorter 9/11 conspiracy stuff I also found interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2lih2qjEg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpcnhwFlIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF8-8Kaa8jo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBVVs9hcmRY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvGFVr6KNk

I don’t necessarily agree with the “cut and run” characterization, but I do think we’ve got to get out of there sooner than later. I think the first step is to curtail offensive missions against the insurgents and stick with a more defensive role (in addition, of course, to training and equipping the Iraqis), and then scaling back the force altogether to keep the pressure on the Iraqi government to take control of the country. I’m afraid that U.S participation in offensive missions tends to backfire, creating as many insurgents as we “eliminate.”

In the end, I think the strategy has to be motivated by whatever will improve the situation or keep it from deteriorating. If continued U.S. presence will help the situation, I’m afraid we may have to stay. But, it’s distinctly possible that continued U.S. presence will begin to make the situation worse, if it hasn’t already, and, in that instance, the faster the withdrawal the better.

On a side note, I am really disgusted by the apparent lack of interest in the health and well-being of Iraq and Afghanistan combat vets, both overseas and here at home. It seems like no one, least of all conservatives, I’m afraid, really wants to know what our vets are experiencing, suffering, etc. I’m appalled by the utter lack of concern here. No matter where you stand on the war itself, these men and women are our collective responsibility, and to go discard them when they come home or look the other way when we hear about their experiences … well, it’s just plain wrong. Period.

Anyway, unlike some folks here, I’ll take you at your word – you say you served and I believe you. And, for that, I respect you too.

Sounds like your a might too thin-skinned when dealing with people who actually served in the armed forces. Do you feel guilty? I don’t … which is why I can treat them with respect.

It’s time to grow up, dude.

As an aside, the duty to refuse to obey an illegal order does not mean that soldiers and marines are obligated to, or even legally can, opt out of an entire military campaign. So, whether or not the war itself was “illegal,” as many have argued, serving in the war itself does not make the soldier or marine guilty of illegal conduct. (The same probably cannot be said for soldiers who participated in illegal interrogation techniques, but that is a separate issue.)

Here’s my point. When you sign up for military service, you give up the right to pick and choose whether you will go to war; that decision is left to the commander-in-chief (well, literally it’s left to the congress, but, again, that’s an entirely different discussion). So, the men and women in uniform repose a tremendous amount of trust in the commander-in-chief – namely, that he will only send troops into battle when the cause is absolutely justified and there is no other alternative to protect the nation. You may not agree with me (and I respect your opinion if you don’t), but I strongly believe the president betrayed that trust when he chose to go to war with Iraq. So, the blame lies squarely on his shoulders, not on yours or on anyone else who served. Period. End of story.

As far as the debate over the exit strategy is concerned, you are right – we need to have a wide-ranging, open and fair debate. It is not a simple issue, nor is there a simple solution. So please, don’t be silenced by anyone, even us liberals.

Regards,

The point is, of course Islamic extremism is a threat. As long as there are Islamic extremists, there will be suicide bombers, car bombs, etc., and there is no doubt that they will try to cause greater and greater destruction, as we learned on 9/11. But you can’t simply draw the comparison between al Qaeda and Nazi Germany without showing how al Qaeda could EVER cause the kind of death and destruction as the Nazi war machine. So far, all you, Bush and Rumsfeld have done is cite the words of a handful of al Qaeda and other extremist leaders, and point to 9/11. That’s a far cry from showing that Islamic extremism poses anywhere near the threat of Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo (let alone Kruschev, Mao, and the rest of our Cold War enemies).

By exaggerating the threat of Islamic extremism (in my view, in bad faith – at least on the part of the Bush administration) you not only demean the heroism of our WWII vets, the severity of the Nazi and Cold War communist threat, the cruelty and inhumanity of the Holocaust, and so on … you encourage Americans to exercise extraordinarily bad judgment today. Thanks to Bush and the fearmongers, Americans today are willing to live with the PATRIOT Act, the NSA warrantless wiretapping program, the increasing erosion of civil liberties … all for what? So that someday the government may be able to thwart a terrorist threat like 9/11? And, in the meantime, we’re all supposed to give up the essential liberties that are our birthright?

Conservatives love to tell us that “freedom isn’t free.” And you know what? They’re right. Freedom involves risk. Under our Constitution, guilty people sometimes go free. People are free to speak harmful words, advocate bad or harmful ideas. But we’re all willing to accept that risk because the framers of the constitution already struck the appropriate balance between security and liberty. Conservatives seem to think that only men and women in uniform should bear the risks of freedom, but that’s nonsense. We ALL have to bear those risks … and we’re all suppose to believe that it’s worth that risk to live in a free society. Why should our soldiers and marines sacrifice their lives in battle so that we can give up our freedoms at home?

And while we’re at it, Exley, riddle me this: Why should Iraqis have to die by the tens of thousands – perhaps 100’s of thousands – to achieve democracy and essential liberty if we are so willing to give it up at home?

America had its own Nazi party at the time. I have yet to hear of an American arm of Hezbollah or Hamas however.

On behalf of the entire thread, Worefus, we accept your apology for your misrepresentation of the facts. Just be more careful next time.

The more they bleat on about fascism, the more opportunity there is to educate people about what fascism really is, and how close we are coming to it.

Typically, they know next to nothing about Islam or probably even their own religion. They’re probably unaware, for example, that it is the fastest growing religion in the world. billions of Muslims who were not forced into it. The vast majority weren’t threatened or forced into being Islamic. All over the entire globe. The vast majority of the billions of Muslims are not terrorists.

Don’t let that stop the stupid bigotted idiots though. Here’s a question, why is it these folks are probably the same ones who will cry “antisemite!” at even the remotest criticism of anything related to Israel/Zionism heck even Judaism, but they won’t say one word about the demonising of billions of innocent people?!

It should not be for the child to deal with a bully. He should go to those with authority and they should handle him. To teach your kid to try and beat the crap out of anyone who even looks at him funny is to support both taking a violent solution to every problem, and vigilantes. If the situation has gotten to the point where physical violence is required then frankly the teachers, the parents and maybe even the police need to be called in.

That said I had to deal with a few bullies too. Generally my approach was to laugh at them, and get everyone else laughing at them. Throw a fist at me and I generally figured out how to make the guy look stupid. Not very many people bullied me growing up because of that. I am also the only one of my friends never to have been knifed in a fight.

If your only solution to everything is to resort to violence it is quite clear that you are both stupid, and lacking in a sense of humour. Thus far this has been the view the rest of the world has had of America, that you are a primarily thick nation that seems only capable of handling its problems by breaking things.

Iraq could have been handled very easily by letting the UN do its work, but instead America worked specifically for war, war and nothing but war. Your story of your eight months in Iraq, frankly sounds like utter bullshit BTW, it lacks common sense. Even if you like the soldiers, you aren’t going to demonstrate it too publically because frankly you don’t want the insurgents targetting your family.

How many people served in the German military during WWII? Any one?

Try 18-effin’-MILLION. Got that? 18,000,000. Not all at one time, mind you – but 18,000,000 soldiers over the span of roughly 6 years.

So, tell me that al Qaeda and their allies pose just as much of a threat as Nazi Germany … go ahead.

Next question: How many people DIED in WWII? Again, any one? Try 62 MILLION friggin’ souls killed – about 50 million on the allied side (17 million military, 33 million civilians) and about 12 million on the Axis side (8 million military, 4 million civilians).

Next question: How many people did Hitler murder during the Holocaust? You might be familiar with these numbers – about 6 million Jews and at least 3 million other “undesirables.” That’s 9 million people, at a minimum, slaughtered by that sonofabitch. So, do the math – that’s the equivalent of A 9/11 PER DAY, EVERY SINGLE DAY, FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS.

So, before you profane the memory of my late father (a WWII combat veteran) again, LEARN SOME FREAKIN’ HISTORY YOURSELVES.

(Gee, I can’t wait for MA’s response to this one …)

They took over planes with boxcutters, now to be fair they were 20th century boxcutters, arguably far advanced over 13th century boxcutters, but…