National Review Editor Spins Poll Numbers To Falsely Claim Americans Oppose Troop Withdrawal
National Review Editor Spins Poll Numbers To Falsely Claim Americans Oppose Troop Withdrawal
National Review editor Rich Lowry claims in his column yesterday that the majority of Americans oppose withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq:
Politically, Iraq is a loser for Republicans, except for the bright spot that the American public is not yet ready to quit. A CNN poll in August found that 69 percent of Americans oppose withdrawing American troops by the end of the year, and 66 percent believe that we can win the war there.
But Lowry is manipulating the poll numbers to prove his point. The CNN poll from Aug. 2-3, to which Lowry is referring, found that just 34 percent of Americans oppose U.S. troop withdrawal. Sixty-one percent support it. Of that 61 percent, twenty-six percent support full troop withdrawal and another 35 percent support some redeployment:
There are just three more months left in the year. No prominent politician is advocating complete redeployment by the end of 2006. Another recent CNN poll shows that 57 percent of the public supports a timetable for withdrawal.
(HT: Reader Ken A.)
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These guys are just pathetic.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:36 amWhat? Someone on the reichwing band wagon would spin poll numbers? Surprise, surprise!
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:37 amGot to love the neocon thugs at the NR.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:45 amWTF is wrong with these (I'll use the term loosely) "people"? I don't see their asses in the army.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:48 am#4 Or their children. Strange that, by and large the chickenhawks are so fond of war but never do you see their children involved in the actual fighting.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:51 amThe bottom line continues to be that the GOP has nothing to offer voters in November. A majority of Americans have lost faith in the Bush Adminstration's failed policies in Iraq and the Middle East. Nobody supports the death and chaos Bush created in Iraq.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:53 amJust more misleading GOP talking points from the same cult set that produced Goebels and The Big Lie.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:59 amif nothing else, 6 years of the Bush regime and republican-led congress have cemented the understanding of republicans as congenital liars.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:59 am.
I don't think it is possible for them to tell the truth - they can speak only spin.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:07 amIf rhetoric, spinning poll numbers, and Joe Lieberman are what the GOP has to offer voters in November they are in pretty sad shape. "Conservatives" should be up in arms that they have allowed the neocon wing of the Republican Party to hijack and destroy any allusion of conservatism they hold as ideology. These neocons are no more conservative than they are principled or moral. Everything they have done has been wrong and all they have to offer votes in Novemer is that the Dems "have no plan." Of course the Dem's plan is to try to fix the mess Bush has created.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:09 amremember they will do anything to continue making money at anyone's expense
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:19 amthis isn't our country any more, it is for sale
This is why FoxNews viewership went down 28% over the last year: people are waking up to the fact that they are being fed lies.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:19 amOT -
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:24 amBushie's radio report today is reminding Americans that we are fighting them over there so they don't come over here.
I can't tell if Bush is so stupid that his writers dumb down his speeches, or if he has the most stupid writers in the world.
I know the first rule is to include as many talking points from the RNC as possible, but this is so ridiculous, they should all be embarrassed.
All this crap will someday come back around to these moronic wingnuts, and it will hit them hard.
I wish they were only stealing our money and taking too many golf trips. The bodies are piling up, and these people spin, spin, spin...
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:29 amI was born yesterday. I just eat up that neocon con!
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:29 amNot to quibble, but aren't there four months left in the year?
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:32 amThese guys just can't stop lying...what church do these Bush folks attend anyway-- The great Republican Church of Hypocrisy??
nevertheless;
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:38 am"THEY NEED TO STOP THAT SH_T" -GWB
Trinary Suka,
May I add this?
Heh heh heh
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:39 amIs this guy, Lowry, reallly an American?
"Lowry regularly appears on the Fox News Channel, including on The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity and Colmes, and has guest hosted in place of Sean Hannity in the latter program. Lowry, a 1990 graduate of the University of Virginia, where he edited The Virginia Advocate, is known as one of the youngest and most influential conservative commentators and analysts in the country. He joined William F. Buckley's brainchild, National Review in 1992 and has been the magazine's editor since 1997"
--Wikipedia
Hey Lowry, did Buckley, or Fukuyama, or Barnes forget to tell you that Neo-Conservatism is dead?
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:45 amHeh heh heh
Sure! =)
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 amThe need for cheney/rove to bush puppet "sell" Americans on the rightness of this war should tell us that Americans aren't buying it. If terrorism can be overcome by American occupation in a previously non-terrorist country and daily dying, then there would be no question that Americans would support it. But Americans see that the rove republicans have made a mess of our country and destroyed our international reputation. NOW, we are the USSR trampling on smaller countries with our military and declaring that our form of governement is the best. How ironic.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:49 amOops did I forget the qualifier "by the end of the year"... silly me... details... details.. Oh well?
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:52 amI have this really horrible feeling there will be some kind of "terrorist" incident within the next few months. Which just "happens" to be what the neocons need right now. How very convenient that would be.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amWhen in 1951 I was inducted into the CIA as a deep cover agent, the procedures for disguising my affiliation and my work were unsmilingly comprehensive. It was three months before I was formally permitted to inform my wife what the real reason was for going to Mexico City to live. If, a year later, I had been apprehended, dosed with sodium pentothal, and forced to give out the names of everyone I knew in the CIA, I could have come up with exactly one name, that of my immediate boss (E. Howard Hunt, as it happened). -WF Buckley
September 2nd, 2006 at 12:02 pm==
Hmmm.
==
Everette Howard Hunt (born October 9, 1918, in East Hamburg, New York, United States) worked for the CIA and later the White House under President Richard Nixon. Hunt, along with G. Gordon Liddy, had engineered the Watergate first break-in. He subsequently was fingered in the ensuing Watergate Scandal and was convicted of burglary, conspiracy and wiretapping, eventually serving 33 months in prison.
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Geez, these guys are something else..Lowry, I think you are a Fool, and a detriment to your country and its people.
I sincerely hope I’m wrong.
Comment by Go Back To Sleep America
I hope you're wrong, too. I don't think anything would shock me, but it should.
September 2nd, 2006 at 12:06 pmGot to love the neocon thugs at the NR.
Comment by Karim — September 2, 2006 @ 10:45 am
I was going to say exactly that. You said it first, I'll give you all the credit.
September 2nd, 2006 at 12:14 pm"...manipulating poll numbers to prove his point." That sums up the right-wing strategy on Iraq, doesn't it...
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
September 2nd, 2006 at 12:25 pmLieberman-Lamont update
Right now on Political Buzz
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
Two-thirds oppose full withdrawl.
Two-thirds oppose full redeployment.
That sounds about right. No one really knows what the right solution is, because we haven't really been told to FIND one. We've just been told to 'stay the course' and all we know for sure is that it ain't working.
Perhaps if the Bush Administration were inclusive of ideas and contributions from liberal people like, say... THEIR OWN GENERALS... we might have a Plan B to try.
September 2nd, 2006 at 12:53 pmFrom the article:
Thus Neocons equate pulling out of Iraq with losing the war. Perhaps that is why Bush repeatedly states he will not pull out of Iraq so long as he is President. He will leave it to some future President to pull out of the war he has already lost. But, that way, the Neocons will be able to blame someone else for "losing" the war. And some 30% of the population will blindly believe them.
Bush is building his legacy on other people's blood.
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:04 pmHe will leave it to some future President to pull out of the war he has already lost. But, that way, the Neocons will be able to blame someone else for “losing†the war. And some 30% of the population will blindly believe them.
Bush is building his legacy on other people’s blood.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — September 2, 2006 @ 1:04 pm
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:09 pmSpot on. Also, blame the next President for Iran aquireing nuclear weapons and a delevery system for them -They will yell "who lost the mid-east". not bubble boy.
#29 BnF
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:10 pmThat sounds pretty accurate to me.
BTW, aren't you supposed to be marching in a parade?
Glad you're here - your posts are always a good read.
Here is what slays me. Quote:"And it would be scurrilous to accuse Democrats of hoping for defeat. But Democrats demonstrate no appetite for doing anything serious to help resist that calamitous eventuality." Is it the Democrat's responsibility for the way the sales of the War and the actual War have been executed? Cut the desenters out of the argument and then blame them for having an opinion. That's alittle like dad taking the family for a ride in the family car and then blaming the wife when they get lost. Hmm.
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:15 pmI wonder how people such as Mr. Lowry, who lie for a living, who intentionally mislead people, can sleep at night.
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:20 pmNational Review is a GOP trash magazine filled with bullcrap > enough said!
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:22 pmIt has increasingly been my opiinion that Americans are fed up with Bush but still support the war in Iraq. But it is also my opinion that 1/2 Americans support the war because they hate Muslims, while the other 1/2 are imperialists.
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:35 pmJAY
Rich Lowry is a pimple on the ass of progress.
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:37 pmI can do math too!
-> 61% of Americans believe that some kind of withdrawal is necessary.
=OR=
-> 61% of Americans do not support "staying the course."
=OR=
-> 61% of Americans aren't buying into the "cut'n'run" bunkus.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmThis isn't a matter of "manipulating" or "spinning" the poll numbers. This is lying. The statement that "A CNN poll in August found that 69 percent of Americans oppose withdrawing American troops by the end of the year" is false; it's only true if you say that "a CNN poll in August found that 69 percent of Americans oppose withdrawing ALL American troops by the end of the year." And if a Democrat cited this poll and claimed that it showed that 61% wanted "all" troops out of Iraq by year end (rather than some, which is true), righties everywhere would not only call it lying, but would also accuse him of treason.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:58 pmAll the Right knows how to do is lie, cheat, and kill.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:09 pmSeptember 1, 2006
Iran satisfied with IAEA report
Iran has welcomed the report by the International Atomic Energy Agency as evidence of its cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asafi was quoted by the Iranian news agency IRNA Friday as saying "a large part of the report shows Iran's large cooperation with the IAEA and its inspectors."
IAEA chief Mohammed el-Baradei issued a report Thursday in which he said Iran is still enriching uranium, but there is no tangible proof that its nuclear program has a military aspect.
"The report clearly indicated that Iran honored its commitments within the framework of international resolution and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and is ready to continue on that path regarding the remaining few points still pending," Asafi said.
He stressed that Iran's nuclear activities are "transparent, open, peaceful and far from any ambiguity, which makes settling Iran's nuclear issue easy through negotiations."
Asafi noted that the IAEA report stressed the need to follow reason and avoid unjust action "despite the pressures exerted by the United States and the uproar provoked in international circles."
Iran ignored a United Nations Security Council deadline, which expired at midnight Thursday, to suspend uranium enrichment or face international sanctions.
Asafi reiterated Iran's readiness to continue negotiations with the five permanent members of the Security Council and Germany; the group offered Tehran a package of economic incentives in return for stopping uranium enrichment.
"Iran believes that holding negotiations and respecting Iran's legitimate rights will lead to achieving a just solution that suits all parties," Asafi added.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:15 pmI wonder how people such as Mr. Lowry, who lie for a living, who intentionally mislead people, can sleep at night.
Comment by Jeffrey Stewart — September 2, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
Evidently quite well untill on death bed. Was it not Lee Atwater the rethug that asked for forgiveness on his?
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:36 pmAtwater did make a death bed confession and asked forgiveness for his sins.
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:53 pmToo bad his protoge` Karl Rove didn't hear that part.
As for Lowry and the many others who boldly lie for this administration, perhaps, they, too will find contrition and truth -- but I am not holding my breath!
Lowry's lips were moving so what else could you expect but a lie.
What I don't understand is why people pay any attention to people like Rich Lowry. They bring nothing to the table. A debate can only occur between sincere people. When one party is insincere, like Rich Lowry is here, there is no place to take the debate.
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:27 pmAlas no. My school district cut my band program a couple of years ago and created a new administrator position instead. So I went to the Highland Games in Pleasanton today.
Thanks for the compliment. I do what I can.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:53 pmI wonder if CNN will ask for a 'correction" of the 'misleading' information used by this guy, with the ACTUAL poll results included. They really should.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:15 amLets bring back the draft and put all NeoCons and their families on the front lines. Lets get this War started!
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:10 amJeffrey Stewart
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:58 pmBushCO and Clintonistas alike - the crime syndicate that runs Americal lies - they lie for money and power - use anybody and anything to get what you want - while mouthing principles and moral sayings - they outdo each other in who can act more moral - who can induce the brighter seeming halo around their head - shifting to machismo when audience requires it - who can grasp the needy to their breast with one large fist while pronouncing the need for bombing evildoers with the other outstretched hand
The only idiots supporting this ill-advised war are the chickenshit chickenhawks who have never worn a uniform much less served in combat situations. I know, that is the entire Bush Administration and all the reichwingnut talking heads...they are all chickenshit chickenhawk cowards just like Dubya, Cheney, and Rove.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:46 pmYesterday Rich Lowry correctly noted the rotten core of the lunatic anti-war Left. Many of us have been noting that every military setback, every attack by foreign fighters and Islamo-wack insurgents is a reason for the Left to CHEER. Bad news on the military front is GOOD news for Progs. From the Revolution to Iraq, we have ALWAYS faced tough battles and campaigns. Had contemporary Progs been in charge of previous wars in our history we might look back on:
a.) the great scone debate - plain, blueberry, or cranberry?
b.) maintaining platonic border relations with our Southern neighbours the Confederate States of America.
c.) speaking German and/or Japanese - depending on which the State found most useful.
The Defeatocrat Party has thrown over the strength of dead Democrats.... Wildly cheering for the enemy is treasonous. But as an old dead Marxist noted "the end justifies the means"....
September 4th, 2006 at 11:10 amStop big business by stop purchasing the products. YOU SUPPORT THE WAR IF YOU BUT THERE PRODUCTS. YOU ARE RESPONCIBLE FOR ALL OF THE DEATH AND CORRUPTION.
THE LEFT IS ALREADY DOING THIS, I THINK THE RIGHT SHOULD MAKE UP FOR THE LOST PROFITS OF THE POOR CORPORATIONS.
HOW "RIGHT" ARE YOU NOW?
September 28th, 2006 at 7:07 pm