Fox Analyst: New Tape Shows Al Qaeda Using ‘All of the Antiwar Arguments’ And ‘Turning Them Back Against Us’
Fox Analyst: New Tape Shows Al Qaeda Using ‘All of the Antiwar Arguments’ And ‘Turning Them Back Against Us’
Early today, Al Qaeda #2 Ayman al-Zawahiri issued a new videotape in which he appeared alongside a man “identified as an American member of the terror network.”
Within minutes, Fox News brought on right-wing author Richard Miniter to provide expert analysis of the video. Miniter said that “what’s striking” about Zawahiri “is that he’s using a lot of the same rhetoric as the antiwar crowd. He refers to President Bush as a liar and a defeated president…They call him a failure, an incompetent.”
Also in the tape, Zawahiri says “Bush was foolish to turn down the truce offered by Osama bin Laden as an honorable way out.” Miniter said this claim and others is what “Michael Moore and John Kerry were saying a year ago,” and now al Qaeda is “turning them back against us.”
Full transcript:
MINITER: Absolutely, this is designed for the September 11th anniversary. But also what’s striking, if you read the transcript of this tape — and I should say the CIA has not yet confirmed that this is indeed the voice of al-Zawahiri, although I think we have to presume that it is — is that he’s using a lot of the same rhetoric as the antiwar crowd. He refers to President Bush as a liar and a defeated president, hinting that somehow the election in 2000 was illegitimate. They call him a failure, an incompetent. These are the kinds of things that the antiwar crowd has been saying. Also on the tape, he says that Bush was foolish to turn down the truce offered by Osama bin Laden as an honorable way out, and says if the United States is winning, why is it debating a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq? Again, this is all something that they are picking up from the world media, all of the antiwar arguments, and they’re are turning them back against us. Zawahiri is saying what Michael Moore and John Kerry were saying a year ago.
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September 2nd, 2006 at 2:10 pmI think this invitation to conversion is a prelude to another major attack. Bin Laden was criticised by muslims for not offering this chance before 9/11.
Regarding Miniter and Fox, it’s interesting to see that they are on the same side of the political spectrum as Al Qaeda. They are in favor of continued Bush/GOP policy, although for different reasons.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:12 pmRemember Al Queda wanted the republicans to win because they are incompetant. With November coming up Al Queda doesn’t want the democrats pulling the troops out of Iraq and sending those same troops after Al Queda, so it’s time for reverse psychology – “We at Al Queda call your president names and you Americans will get upset and vote Republican” time.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:13 pmBuchCo = LIARS
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:14 pmYou hit the spot! Genius! We are Al-Qaeda and so are Michael Moore, Chomsky, as was John Paul II, and millions of christians, atheists and intellectuals all over the world.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:16 pmI must admit I am really impressed.
I am really impressed how just 2 short days after the President and the Secretary of Defense deliver a new national message calling anyone who disagrees with the war facists and supporters of terrorism, that Al Quaida was NICE enough to come out and help reinforce that message.
What timing.
I mean right when the Presidents message of condemnation to anti-war protestors is being criticized by so many and so strongly, here comes ole Al Quaida with another video tape, to help drive the Presidents message home.
Damn nice of them.
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You know, if I didn’t know better I’d say Ayman al-Zawahiri has a little crush on ole Dubya.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:16 pmOh but I’m sure its just a coincidence.
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Just like the last 5 times.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:18 pmal Zawahiri on Bush:”They call him a failure, an incompetent.â€
Breaking news: 70% of Americans agree with the Al Quaeda spokesmullah.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:20 pmThat’s a large anti-war crowd, Mr. Miniter
Shouldn’t the queston be, why is this guy still running free? I’m sure he’s not in Iraq.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:23 pmDont worry about that. CIA will knock Osama´s door in a Penthouse at the 5th avenue and hand him the new script. The cameras will be ready just as the cave-like background. The swedish escorts will leave and then they will begin rolling another “terrorist” tape. Uh! Go shopping, America!
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:24 pmJaun, I’m beginning to wonder dude.
I’m beginning to wonder.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:27 pmDefending bush/cheney/rove against the “reality” enemy is task number one for the repubs. The rove republicans need to keep saying that without sustaining their great startegy against the war on terror, there is little doubt but that terrorists will set off bombs in all the bedrooms of Americans next week.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:28 pmFox doesn’t seem to realize that two separate groups can reach the truth on their own. They’re more used to dealing with lies that must be spread person to person as to keep the story straight.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmI’m beginning to wonder.
Comment by WORFEUS — September 2, 2006 @ 2:27 pm
Ok. Maybe I lie a little.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmSwedish AND Czech escorts.
Don’t you think it’s just the most amazingly coincidental timing? Just HAPPENS to be before elections… who wants to take bets something will happen, just in time to help save the Republicans and give them a boost in the polls?!
Why is it the only people who seem to have anything to gain from these things are the chickenhawks?? Pure coincidence… right? Yeah right…
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:38 pmI’m serious Jaun. I really am beginning to wonder just who these Al Qauida leaders are that seem to release a video tape EVERY TIME BUSH NEEDS ONE RELEASED to sell his messages.
EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!!!!!!!
Its like a “coordinated message”.
This week Bush comes out with his new message calling all Anti War protesters “Supporters of the Terrorists”.
Simeultaneously Rumsfelds is out delivering the same message.
Then, magically Al Quaida releases a video tape that can help the President reinforce his message, drawing parallels between those who oppose the war and the words of Ayman al-Zawahiri.
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September 2nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmIts like they have a NETFLIX account with Al Quaida.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:40 pmSo the terrorists can see what everyone else sees, monkeyboy is an incompetent failure.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:42 pmif by “anti-war” crowd Fox means, 60% of the American population, then yes, they are right
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:46 pmQuoite #1
He refers to President Bush as a liar and a defeated president…They call him a failure, an incompetent.â€
End Quote #1
Well…Bush IS incompetent and a liar. He’s an incompetent liar. To say he’s not an incompetent liar is a lie, though not necessarily an incompetent one. Despite a patriotic desire to refute anything al Queda says, we may as well disagree with them when they say “The sky is blue” or “It gets hot in the desert” or “Paris Hilton is kind of a whore.” Really, how can we effectively argue against any of those statements? We should do the opposite and work towards either making this President act less like a boob, OR elect ourselvs a President who is less of a boob.
Quote #2
Also in the tape, Zawahiri says “Bush was foolish to turn down the truce offered by Osama bin Laden as an honorable way out.†Miniter said this claim and others is what “Michael Moore and John Kerry were saying a year ago,†and now al Qaeda is “turning them back against us.â€
End Quote #2
Can anyone link me to the article or interview where Moore and/or Kerrey said we should accept a truce with bin Laden? Anywhere? Because this sounds like oh-so-much horsehit to me.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:50 pmIt’s called synchronized psychological warfare! Gang vs countergang, i am getting tired repeating the same thing over and over.
September 2nd, 2006 at 2:59 pmThis really should be a concern for the Administration. The anti-war crowd actually has the power to change the US Government quite unlike MR. Z and his Jihadist loonies.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:01 pmIs the tail wagging the dog? Is this a reality show or is it not . Does carl rove manufacture these tapes in some secret studio and produce them , distribute them at the right time , in synk with this administration endless propaganda , spin , lies to save their necks with the coming election . Is there a need to rise and protest this absolute control machine , They are the blitz krieg of the 21 st century . Karl Rove , Rumsfelft must have attended nazi seminars and prepare for this take over, coup d’etat , for years.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:02 pmAre you guys sure thats not Donald Rumsfeld wearing a false beard and a turban?
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmthese two groups have helped perpetuate each other’s sick vision of the world. it’s disgusting.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:11 pmHe refers to President Bush as a liar and a defeated president…They call him a failure, an incompetent.â€
And I suppose Bush’s comment about “I don’t really think much about bin Laden,” and the fact that B.L. is still alive has nothing to do with it.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:11 pmWhat’s so rhetorical about calling an incompetent failure an incompetent failure?
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:18 pmThat’s right. And when Democrats and Juan Williams go on FOX they help propagate these ideas.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:27 pmFox News logic.
If Charles Manson says it is sunny outside and it is sunny outside and you agree with the point, then you are supporting Charles Manson.
-GSD
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:29 pmHey, DLC are frauds, lighten up on Juan Williams, he’s been the only journalist willing to take on William Kristol on one of the faux Sunday morning shows. No one else has ever called him out for the war lover he is.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:47 pmIf Charles Manson says it is sunny outside and it is sunny outside and you agree with the point, then you are supporting Charles Manson.
Comment by GSD — September 2, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
Exactly… by their faulty and emotional logic you can anyone to anyone else just because they agree upon things that are true.
For example, Ann Coulter and Michael Moore both probably agree that the sky is blue on a non-cloudy day at noon…
I really don’t get the people who fall for their kind of nonsense.
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:51 pmGee, could it be they are calling him an incompetent failure because they are still running around alive and he can’t manage to catch them?
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:56 pmIts not just that UnB.
Its the TIMING of this.
I mean come on. This President has been on the ropes and suddenly he comes out swinging, calling all those who oppose is war (the majority of America) facists and terrorists sympathizers, and SUDDENLY, the SAME WEEK, Al Quaida releases a new vidoe tape that REINFORCES his MESSAGE?
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September 2nd, 2006 at 3:57 pm“trick the stupid”
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:58 pmSorry about the non wrapping question marks. Feel free to delete that TP.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:00 pmI love the way Bush, Rumsfeld, et al., are so concerned with everything the Islamic extremists have to say. Me, I think for myself, and I don’t worry whether Osama “agrees” with me or not. I don’t let al Qaeda tell me what to think or what not to think. This administration, however, has allowed the bad guys to determine its every action for the past 5 years. Nice to know our policy is being set by some nutbag living in a cave … or a penthouse on 5th Avenue, as Juan suggests.
They’re so keen on comparing al Qaeda to the Nazis. Do they realize that Hitler did more than just write “Mein Kampf”? Do they realize that he wrote “Mein Kampf” and then re-armed the German military, invaded Poland and France, slaughtered at least 9 million in the Holocaust…
Anyway, I could give a rat’s sphincter what al Qaeda has to say; why does Fox News care?
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:05 pmNeither bin Laden nor Bush could survive very long without the other.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:05 pmTheirs is a completely symbiotic relationship.
I thought the timing of teh release of tapes was pretty evident in October 2004 when they released a tape just before the November elections…
I don’t think Osama is on the Neocon pay roll. But I do think they have this very ill, sociopathic relationship of feeding off one another to stay in the limelight – which is why neither has assassinated the other – and won’t.
Osama wants neocons in power because it meets his goal of destroying America, which makes him a martyr.
Bush wants Osama running free to be the constant boogeyman under the bed that will keep the American ‘children’ dependent of his war-mongering.
It’s a sick relationship those two have. I am concerned for what Osama will do, and Bush will allow to happen this October as the Republicans sink lower in the polls every day, and we are just two months away from D-day.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:08 pmSeptember 1, 2006
Iran satisfied with IAEA report
Iran has welcomed the report by the International Atomic Energy Agency as evidence of its cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asafi was quoted by the Iranian news agency IRNA Friday as saying “a large part of the report shows Iran’s large cooperation with the IAEA and its inspectors.”
IAEA chief Mohammed el-Baradei issued a report Thursday in which he said Iran is still enriching uranium, but there is no tangible proof that its nuclear program has a military aspect.
“The report clearly indicated that Iran honored its commitments within the framework of international resolution and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and is ready to continue on that path regarding the remaining few points still pending,” Asafi said.
He stressed that Iran’s nuclear activities are “transparent, open, peaceful and far from any ambiguity, which makes settling Iran’s nuclear issue easy through negotiations.”
Asafi noted that the IAEA report stressed the need to follow reason and avoid unjust action “despite the pressures exerted by the United States and the uproar provoked in international circles.”
Iran ignored a United Nations Security Council deadline, which expired at midnight Thursday, to suspend uranium enrichment or face international sanctions.
Asafi reiterated Iran’s readiness to continue negotiations with the five permanent members of the Security Council and Germany; the group offered Tehran a package of economic incentives in return for stopping uranium enrichment.
“Iran believes that holding negotiations and respecting Iran’s legitimate rights will lead to achieving a just solution that suits all parties,” Asafi added.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:15 pmThis is a warning shot. We are being given a get out clause: convert to Islam or die. It is their way of being nice. I think this means they will launch another wave of attacks sometime soon. It is time to lay it on the line with muslims in the west: are you going to obey the law and not be a fifth column, or are you just a supporter of al Qaeda? And if you are, we shall then need to put you in a detention facility until such time that you can be made ’safe’.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:16 pmBin Laden is dead 100%
here was an article on Aljazeeras But then dissapeared after half and hour
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:17 pmI think this means they will launch another wave of attacks sometime soon. It is time to lay it on the line with muslims in the west: are you going to obey the law and not be a fifth column, or are you just a supporter of al Qaeda? And if you are, we shall then need to put you in a detention facility until such time that you can be made ’safe’.
Comment by Bob Macdonald — September 2, 2006 @ 4:16 pm
Ahh, theres that word again.
Fifth Column.
The same word I was debating with Exley yesterday.
So is that the new reich wing talking point? Calling us a Fifth Column for Al Quaida?
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmI don’t think Osama is on the Neocon pay roll.
Comment by unbelievable — September 2, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
I wish I could share your conviction.
But I can’t.
I am not so sure there isn’t something we can’t just quite see yet.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:26 pmI’d like to view the tape myself and make my own opinion. I surely don’t need some fox opinion monger explainging how this tape creates the argument that the “anti-war movement emboldens the terrorists.” It should be clear that the Bush Administration, with it’s narrow minded policy, is the true instigator in this situation. You can’t trust a snake can ya’, islamic or American. Their both deadly.
September 2nd, 2006 at 4:46 pmOBL “was” a CIA Asset.
Interestingly enough the only people to really benefit from “terrorism” are the neocons in furthering their war agendas
Really, it’s not rocket science. Ask yourself WHO BENEFITS? and therein you will see the real culprits.
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:09 pmI am not so sure there isn’t something we can’t just quite see yet.
Comment by WORFEUS — September 2, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
I try to avoid the conspiracy theories though. The word itself, for me, is always associated with “Moon Landing Hoax” thinking…
I’m sure something is wrong, but I think it’s just what Osama experts have been saying – that he wants Republicans in power so he can fuel his agenda of getting the world to hate and destroy us. It doesn’t work so well for him if John Kerry had managed to remove the troops by now… and worked out diplomatic resolutions with Iran… and all that other liberal peaceful stuff the fascists like Osama and Heir Bush hate.
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:18 pmSo Al Qaeda observes Bush, declares him a liar and incompetent — and somehow, that reinforces the White House claim (and Fox-TV) that we, who disagree with Bush, are like Al Qaeda.
I guess that means the majority of Americans.
As WORFEUS said above, this is just so convenient! So accommodating of Al Qaeda to criticize Bush personally at this critical time. And how astute of Fox to note the similarity. It just goes to show you that we are all terrorist supporters if we disagree with Bush.
There it is! They said it – it must be true.
Someone help me out here – I think Afghanistan offered up OBL, but Bush turned it down. We frequently hear that Clinton’s attempt to kill him failed (because OBL was surrounded by friendly to America family members). And the Republican congress would never have supported that.
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:23 pmAbsolutely Bin Laden is a CIA asset. He has been on their payroll for years.The Bush Saudi friends are his money handlers and couriers. No doubt about it.
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:27 pmBin Laden and Zawahiri don’t care which political party wins and loses–they’re both the same to them. What they DO want to do is divide us. And it’s easy for them to pick up criticisms from the press and use them. Doesn’t even mean they believe them or not–it doesn’t matter.
The guy who interviewed bin laden and wrote his biography, forgot his name but he hates Bush’s war, said bin laden said he though he could create a civil war in America! The guy said he laughed at him.
Just remember that bin laden doesn’t understand America and doesn’t understand democracy. We fight, we argue, we’re noisy. Doesn’t mean we really hate each other and are going to war with each other!
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:44 pmThe paycheck comes directly from PNAC. The war on terrorism is a smokescreen for the real agenda, the PNAC agenda.
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:45 pmNo doubt about it.
Comment by Rebel With A Cause — September 2, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
Proof? If you have it, I’d be happy to jump on that band wagon. I’m just not jumping without facts… just like we tell the trolls.
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:47 pmBin Laden and Zawahiri don’t care which political party wins and loses–they’re both the same to them.
Comment by Saner Head — September 2, 2006 @ 5:44 pm
Many Osama experts have said that hes prefers Bush because he feeds into Osama’s agenda – and probably because Bush is so divisive… Far moreso than Clinton ever was.
September 2nd, 2006 at 5:52 pmI try to avoid the conspiracy theories though. The word itself, for me, is always associated with “Moon Landing Hoax†thinking…
Comment by unbelievable — September 2, 2006 @ 5:18 pm
But isn’t that way of thinking the best asset those consipiring could have?
I don’t consider my recognition of about a zillion amazing coincidences as conspriacy theories.
I am just noting what I see. And what I see is some really well timed terrorist alerts by our government and some really well timed terrorist threats by Al Quaida.
Their coordination has been noteworthy to say the least.
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 pmThere is an article in the NYT about Cheney’s change of rhetoric; he and the WH are trying “to rebuild eroding support for the war,” with the “domino theory” employed by a Democratic administration four decades ago to help “sell” the Vietnam conflict to the American public.
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:17 pmThe ‘domino theory’ was used forty years ago to bolster support for the war.
He raises the prospect that if America fails in Iraq, Saudi Arabia will be the next target and then maybe Pakistan — which, he notes, has a good-sized nuclear arsenal.”
This is in contrast to Cheney’s earlier words of 2002: “In the prelude to the war, he argued that ousting Saddam Hussein would usher in a new era of stability in the Middle East.”
All of us who have compared Viet Nam to this Iraq debacle are being vindicated by the Bush cabal itself.
So basically they are saying that Al Qaeda is Antiwar?
I mean, if the copy the Antiwar sentiments and phraseology, which I doubt because people called George those names well before the first election..and even many times as a governor of Texas.
So Al Qaeda watched political smear campaigns on TV? =)
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:20 pmAl Qaeda leadership is playing the American public like a fiddle.
They are smart enough to know that Americans are dumb enough to want the exact opposite of what they tell us they want.
Duuuuh… I hates Al kider… I know they’d kill every last Muricun if they’d the chance… but I don’t think they’d lie about their feelings… that would be tricky… totally unfair!
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:22 pmAsk yourself WHO BENEFITS? and therein you will see the real culprits.
Comment by Go Back To Sleep America — September 2, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
Im with you. Follow the money path.
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:36 pmI don’t think Osama is on the Neocon pay roll.
Comment by unbelievable — September 2, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
But he was once.
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pmFrom D.C., Alaska Senator Keeps An Eye (and A Hand) Out For His Son
By Justin Rood – September 1, 2006, 5:31 PM
Ah, how the bennies of the father are visited upon the son!
A 2003 article counted at least nine separate cases in which Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) has done favors for companies or organizations which paid his son Ben over $1.5 million in salary and “consulting fees.” And there have been more since then. (The article, from the Los Angeles Times, was unearthed by the Washington, D.C.-based Sunlight Foundation.)
Ben Stevens, president of the Alaska State Senate, recently had his offices raided by the FBI. News out of Alaska indicates the feds are looking for information surrounding a major resource legislation package that benefited at least one of the companies father Ted helped out, VECO Corp.
..Sorry couldn’t help myself =)
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Back ON RAIL!!
Osama probably prefers Bush due to his so called ‘decisiveness’, which is another worde here for reactionary, because a reactionary leadership plays right into the hands of the terrorists. The terrorists have no country, no homeland, no uniforms,no jet fighters, no tanks or submarines. When Bush attacks an entire country for the actions of a few he creates more hatred to America, Bush then went on to attack Iraq, again no WMD and no Osama..yet creating much more emnity to wards America and a veritable quagmire. Israel also detroyed alot of infrastructure with their Shock and Awe campaign…again creating war in another country that breeds more emnity towards America because of the close ties between the two.
Once again Bush, thru his reactionary blindness, weakens national security because he is seen as a weak leader by a majority of Americans, A majority that is made up of all political ideologies. The worldwide majority has long seen Bush as weak, visionless and incompetent.
I mean, It is no surprise that Al Qaeda thinks Bush is a liar and incompetent..MOST OF THE WORLD DOES!!
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:42 pmobviously the buch regime has GOT to go. If it isnt clear as crystal now that they ARE al Quaida and that these videotapes are propagandistic publications produced BY them then you all are just plain stupid.
9/11 made everything possible
9/11 was an inside job
GET THESE CRAZY ASSHOLES OUT OF OFFICE BEFORE THE US BECOMES THE NEXT NAZI GERMANY
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmYes, that is worth repeating.
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pmRegardless, though, Fox (fact-free TV) will say that just because we all agree that the sun rises in the East, we are on the side of Al Qaeda and vice versa.
I don’t think Osama is on the Neocon pay roll.
Comment by unbelievable — September 2, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
Its not that one is on the others payroll – it’s that they have a mutual interest in maintaining the status quo… each needs the other to advance their own agendas.
It’s kinda like Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner (I’ll let you decide who is who).
September 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmWhich Middle Eastern man did W call “Bindar Bush?” I mean, the Bush family is VERY close to the Saudi royal family, correct? And how many 9/11 hijackers were Saudi — like 14 out of 19? Hmmm…
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:04 pmActually I recall the terrorists quoting Bush, not any Democrats, in their recent videotapes. The last Democrat I recall Bin Laden quoting was President Clinton and then Bin Laden only quoted Clinton as a prelude to criticizing him.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:05 pmIf they hate our freedom so much, then why is Bush trying to take our civil liberties and freedom away? Is Bush doing it to make the terrorists happy?
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:10 pmOBL wanted one thing , the US out of Saudi Arabia. He got that. The US hasn’t been chasing Al Queda, they’ve been killing Iraqis. Consequently, for the last 5 years Al Queada has not had to attack the US, what’s the point the US isn’t a threat to them.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:20 pmAh, yes I see now if there was no anti-war rhetoric then AQ would not be saying Bush is incompetent, blah, blah. No doubt he would be praising Bush on the marvelous job he is doing in the WOT. Minitier you stupid putz….oh sorry maybe he is not stupid, just a cult of personality addled wanker.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:34 pmJuan Williams and Alan Colmes help only one person by being on FOX. Themselves.
Alan Colmes has already expressed he has no interest in exposing Hannity’s lies. He just picks up his check at the end of the week like a whore.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pm#70 you make no sense at all. We still have a base in Saudi Arabia so the US is far from outta there.
Al Quaida had NOTHING whatsoever to do with Iraw and vice versa. That is a steaming pile of bullshit cooked up by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, the biggest criminals ever to set foot in government,
Finally, the US isn’t a threat to Al CIADA becase it finances it completely. But Al CIAda isnt a threat to us either….unless Darth Cheney needs it to be.
These videotape productions are further evidence of how insidious this administration is and that they will stop and NOTHING to stay in power.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:38 pmI’m sorry. This has US Psy Op written ALL OVER IT.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:40 pmYUP
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:43 pmAre you that deluded? remember what Kerry’s agenda was?
MORE TROOPS
MORE MONEY
” RUSSERT: Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?
KERRY: No. I think we should increase it.
RUSSERT: Increase funding.
KERRY: Yes.
RUSSERT: By how much?
KERRY: By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win.”
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:53 pmpeople…don’t feed the trolls and paid detractors like scarface
he has nothing to say so he spews
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:13 pm#73 – PRINCE SULTAN AIR BASE, Saudi Arabia — In a major shift in American focus in the Persian Gulf, the United States is all but ending its military presence in Saudi Arabia (search), abandoning this remote desert air base that was built in the 1990s and made the site of a high-tech air operations center in 2001.
Tuesday, April 29, 2003 Associated Press
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:16 pmyyyyyyaaaaawwwn
gop talking points….tney sound more like their Nazi ancestors everu dau, don’t they?
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:16 pmStop Lying to your selves 60% of the country aren’r Leftists Jihadi supporters.
Comment by Scarface — September 2, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
That’s not what one of your gods Donald Rumsfeld said twice now in as many days.
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:17 pmeveru dau=every day
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:18 pmever so thankful for the “ignore” feature…I highly recommend it (!)
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:25 pmDo not reply to scarface.
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:31 pmthe trolls are here merely to argue with you and to do what they do best” poll parrot gop )neonazi) talking points) in the hope that some of you will bite. Just ignore them …they will go away. If they had anything significant to say they would have said it and left. Their own blogs don’t allow commentary (understandably lol) so they have to come to our boards to dazzle us with their stupidity and mean spiritedness.
IGNORE THEM…THEY WILL GO AWAY
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:32 pmOne thing I never understood about OBL. During the Iran/Contra hearings Oliver North indicated that he needed elabora tesecurity systems to protect his family from OBL.
I have always doubted the “religous” message of OBL and thought that much of his anti-American slant was because although trained by the CIA to lead Mujahedeen to use guerrilla attacks on the Russians, we abandoned the effort.
What has never been explained to me is what Oliver North did personally to piss him off (make himself a target).
Anybody know specifics of what happened?
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:32 pmHey, troll! DO YOU KNOW what Ollie North did personally to PO OBL?
I’m just testing to see if you actually know anything at all or just like to call people names.
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:38 pm105 are you and this troll idiot a tag team? Stop responding to it and it will leave and crawl back under its rock.
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:40 pmOK, I will just talk to the wall for awhile.
Another ponder – What exactly is the definition of Islamofascism?
Is it… a general philosophy to create Islamic dictatorial states that control peoples socioecomomic behavior? They seem to be using democratic models to gain power (i.e. elections in Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt). However, in most cases the terrorists operate outside of state sponsored power, so at best they could be dictator-wanna- be’s
How does this differ from AmeriChristofascism? (a.k.a. Bushism). Well, I would argue that here the fascists are already in power and like Mussolini’s definition, there is a merging of the Government and Corporate state (as well as with religion).
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:50 pmren if our transient troll was offering “argument” and “debate” I could see your point. But this individual is just here to incite conflict….(s)he isn’t interested in debate or anything else. He is paid to be here to drop GOP talking points and to respond to your every comment with a snarky reply. if that passes as “argument” and “debate” then we should rename this country the United States of Dumbfckistan
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:56 pmMARBLEX,
Truly, I don’t care whether the trolls are here or not. They are like seagulls at the beach….just part of the background noise.
However, I really do not know the answer and if anyone knows this information, I would be appreciative.
AGAIN, Does anyone here know what Ollie North did personally to PO OBL? What was he talking about during the Iran-Contra hearings?
September 2nd, 2006 at 8:56 pm#116 Eargy Earp
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:03 pmEvery reference I have seen concerning Ollie North and OBL has claimed that it is akin to an urban legend.
Try a google search of Oliver North and Osama – I think you will find several sites charging that the story is not true.
Allah willing the call to prayer will be said at your pathetic National Cathedral which will be our Mosque. Your children will recite the Koran!
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Um, Jamal, I hate to break this to you, I dont go to Church..so I wont recite the Koran or the Torah or the Septaguint et al, or the Talmud [Either Version] nor will I be praying in a Mosque or a Catholic, Christian, Mormon, Jewish et al, center of religious Ideology.
Now, if you would please stop praying for your God to beat up their God, the ones that want war, that sure would be great and I sure would appreciate it. And btw I hope your kids read ALL religions and come to their own conclusions, Thanks! =0]
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:04 pmThanks, Marie.
Perhaps it is a Hoax story. I did hear about it soon after 9/11/2001 on some MSM network, but it may be false.
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:10 pmOK. I see that I was fooled by post 9-11 propaganda. The the name of the terrorist that North identified was Abu Nidal.
The propaganda machine just changed the name and the fact that Kerry was involved in the discussion to smear Kerry and Clinton (at different times)
Just goes to show you can’t believe anything you hear, read, see. The web info is probably the least reliable, because the platform is so open.
I feel like a smacked ass.
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmWe are winning and America is losing! Convert to Islam or face defeat! –Comment by Jamal
Jamal, aka Freeper, you make a lousy mussulman extremist…
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Can you imagine this “conflict of civilizationâ€, without the religion factor in it? Can you? So bringing the religion factor to the table is like putting fuel on fire, or not?
Comment by General Custer
It could be a war, I think, of resources, but the people would be led into that war mostly thru their religion, kinda like today.
I was doing a bit of reading other day and find this same fundamentalist/Zionist Quixotic type religious crusade to recapture Jerusalem in about 900 AD.
These crusades of the messianic zionists, from the Khazar Empire, which seems to have been a very secular society, was possibly the demise of that empire
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/
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Trinary Suka ,
We will conquer america forcing you to convert. If you don’t we will behead is it’s written in the Koran! People like you are helping our cause. keep it up and within 10 years this nation Allah willing wil be part of the Ummah!
Comment by Jamal — September 2, 2006 @ 9:17 pm
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:26 pm==
You make a very poor mussulman extremist bush freeper troll.
If you wish to post such inane violent things to the haters, you will need to go to freerepublic.com. You will find people much more like you over there umm Jamal..
WORFEUS,
You and the Left are supporting Al-Qaeda.
Comment by Scarface — September 2, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
Your mother supports Al Qaeda.
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmTrinary Suka,
It still doesn’t cahnge the fact we’re winning. You will run from Iraq and Afghanistan like rats! When Iran gets the Bomb Israel will be exterminated and Europe will surrender. The we will crush America. Islam will rule!
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You and your keyboard?
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:33 pmYour a dumbass Jamal. Haven’t you figured out that the Koran[Quran] is the same basic story one finds in the bible?
You did know that Sulayaman means Solomon right?
You did know that Judaism, Christianity and Islamicism are considered the three Abrahamic religions?
Did you know that Isa in the Koran is considered to be Jesus?
Wtfu Jamal and go study some more..your as lost as the bush fundies are…
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:36 pmLast year we burned down parts of France. they wouldn’t even defend themselves. we are slaughtering The American crusaders like sheep. We forced the Zionists to their knees! Somalia is now almost under our control! Read the current events, Islam is triumphant!
Comment by Jamal — September 2, 2006
Your a fool and know not of what you speak.
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:37 pmI thought Al Qaeda’s #2 man was killed like 5 times already?! I really have a hard time believing these videos anymore. They always seem to come out around election time … imagine that. This smells like Karl Rove to me. All they’d have to do is set this up in a studio, hire an actor and shoot it.
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:50 pmPEOPLE LIKE “JAMAL” ARE AGENT PROVECATURES WHO ARE HERE ONLY TO DERAIL THE TOPIC. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM AS YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT
PEOPLE LIKE “JAMAL” ARE AGENT PROVECATURES WHO ARE HERE ONLY TO DERAIL THE TOPIC. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM AS YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT
PEOPLE LIKE “JAMAL” ARE AGENT PROVECATURES WHO ARE HERE ONLY TO DERAIL THE TOPIC. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM AS YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT
PEOPLE LIKE “JAMAL” ARE AGENT PROVECATURES WHO ARE HERE ONLY TO DERAIL THE TOPIC. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM AS YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:56 pmAgent provocateurs even, had a long day… need sleep! Oh yeah, so are Gaius, Aphrodite, Roger_Roger and the other “variants” (quite probably the same person/s)
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:58 pm#131 I just came back to this thread and I see you have more info. I was going to suggest that it might have been an attempt at propaganda originally. I didn’t know that there actually was a person, but the machine just changed the name.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:05 pmLive and learn. The Bushies are teaching me a helluva lot!
So anyway back on topic, yes OBL was a CIA asset – it’s quite easy to research, just look up the history of the mujihadeen. Actually you’ll find quite a few “questionable” groups all around the world are in fact funded and supported by successive US administrations and organisations.
This includes opposition parties and even known terrorist groups, for example, opposition parties to democratically elected Chavez. There is also at least one group which is designated a terrorist group which has support from Bushco for political purposes; I can’t recall the name off the top of my head (try google for it, I’m sure it will come up)
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:05 pmRen & co you guys need to learn to ignore these blatant agent provocateurs. Any response at all is what they’re aiming for as it takes you off topic
Actually that terrorist group BushCo funded, either it was a Russian one or I think maybe Kurdish or something. Wish I could remember the name now…
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:08 pmI should add it also gives them more reason to continue posting and further destroy the whole topic
Well done ren, you’ve just helped them. You know, those two are probably even the same person. Notice how the second “variant” turns up right after my exposing the first one? By responding in any form you are giving them ammunition. Don’t do it!
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:17 pmThe Koran is Allah’s correction of the lies of the Jews and Christians! mussa, Issa and Sulieman
Sulieman is Solomon and Issa [Greek IsouV] Jamal…=)
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:21 pmIssa is Jesus ya mumskull sudo extremist troll
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:22 pm“Be quiet, son of Amran! [Moses]
divine brother of the ruler of the nomads at Marib was Amran.
SO Jamal are you a nomad? Or are you still lost as to the sacred geometry of the pyramids?
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:27 pmTo you lefties.
Enjoy yor time in the sun. Pretty soon you Nazis will be crushed and so will your Islamic buddies. Enjoy your treacherous lies!
Comment by King Ghidorah
Hitler was a rightie such is why the word REICH ya revisionist dreamer..
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:29 pm#171 – because it’s pretty obvious, just look at how desperate they’ve become now the same person(s) are even posting crap to totally wreck this thread. I’m not railing you for responding about the topic, but that it’s obvious the agent provecateurs here have absolutely no interest whatsoever in the original topic. their sole purpose is to wreck the discussion. By any means necessary by the looks of it (even pretending to be multiple people insulting themselves)
By responding to them, you are helping them, and thus helping wreck TP’s overall discussion.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:32 pmTo you lefties.
Enjoy yor time in the sun. Pretty soon you Nazis will be crushed and so will your Islamic buddies. Enjoy your treacherous lies!
-King Ghidorah
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And you actually believe that?
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen “enemy national” relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush’s partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment.
Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.
At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:35 pm==
How does it feel to be wrong King?
Sorry, but I kinda felt like smacking a few trolls around =)
Back unto the wavy cold steel Rail!!
How do you use an antiwar statement to foment war??
I mean this is sooooooooo lame a talking point.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:39 pmLeft-leaning Nazis? That’s an oxymoron.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:39 pmLeft-leaning Nazis? That’s an oxymoron.
Comment by Marie — September 2, 2006
Yeh isn’t that about the silliest thing anyone has ever heard?
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:43 pmHeck, the anti-war folks and liberals, and alot of gays pretty much got sent up the river with the Jewish folks while the REICH wing nuts went and followed some insane leader to their death. A thoussand years of peace has been transformed to a thousand lights in the sky.
#174 TS
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:43 pmExcellent smack-down!!
Trinity it isn’t so much a method to foment war, but an obvious attempt to suppress criticism and silence dissent.
The classic analogy would be how Zionists totally abuse the hell out of the word “antisemite”. Say even one thing remotely critical of Israel (JUST FOR EXAMPLE) and that word is inevitably rolled out like some kind of public relations sledgehammer to silence the person making the comment. Even if it has nothing at all to do with Judaism or even Jews, but purely criticism of political policy.
The analogy is the same here – the intention is blatantly to associate dissent and criticism with “being a terrorist sympathiser”. The idea being to use it as a public relations sledgehammer to qwell any disagreement, dissent or criticism. The neocons must really envy the Zionists, because they at least have a well abused word they can hurl around. The neocons have no such word so this is their attempt instead.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:47 pmAddendum, hence even more suspicious the timing of this video. It just happens to be there right on cue to back up this new attack method the neocons are using to suppress american free thought. Don’t you find that just the slightest bit convenient for them?
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:50 pmIt was like a flirt session with a bunch of guys and one girl. I said,â€get a room†and after that everything I said was edited. So…. I confront a terrorist and a bunch of assholes and I’m the bad guy? I get your point but come-on, they have to be responded too.
Comment by ren — September 2, 2006
Don’t sweat it Ren. Freepersites are bad at editing or deleting posts, such as Wizbang..[I have had TP delete posts, but usually because I deserved it] It’s hard not to get angry at the trolls. I try to remember that an argument of opinion, or name calling, can’t really be won.
Anyway I’m gonna get a drink later..
almost forgetted TY Marie =)
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:53 pmHere’s a well known quote from Hermann Goering which I’ve posted before, it illustrates perfectly the propoganda technique being employed.
“Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goering.
Notice how remarkably similar current tactics are from the neocons? “You are not being patriotic. You are exposing the country to danger. You are feeding the terrorists. You are under attack. You are in a war. You are giving the terrorists fuel to use against us”
Very, very similar. And good old “former” CIA assets right there on time to help back it up.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:56 pmThe Koran is Allah’s correction of the lies of the Jews and Christians! mussa, Issa and Sulieman (peace be upon them) were Muslims who’s messages were distorted. Pleace don’t compare my faith to the pathetic faith of the Crusaders and Zionists. We will vcrush you!
Comment by Jamal — September 2, 2006 @ 9:38 pm
If you want to “vcrush” you need to pick a after life that suits you.. So what happens in your after life? Does it have a all you can eat buffet? BTW, your an A$$ hole, your mother proud of rearing disgusting piece of $hit?. Hey jamal, lick that brown eye.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:09 pmBy the way ren I wasn’t calling you a bad guy :-)
Look! There’s another “variant” with a different name. Wow this person(s) are really deseperate to try to get people not to pay attention to the posts which are actually of worth. Point proved, it’s just a shame this site won’t show at least a fragment of the IP address of posters. I think you’d find a number of the trolls originate from the same address (i.e. probably the same few people using different names)
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:16 pmYour nation is week. Look at the people here. All week, thinking that by kissing our asses we’ll spare you. We’ll only spare you if you convert to Islam.
America is weak!
Comment by Jamal — September 3, 2006 @ 12:08 am
We are not week-that is next kissing ass day. You know what jamal you seem like a real sincere ass hole–bend over and Rumfield will satisfy you shortly. How did an a$$ hole like you get a internet account? Damn , there I go again. Jamal I hope you can foregive me-shit guy I don’t know what got in to me. Wait!!! yes I do–Your an A$$ hole. Have a nice day.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:02 amCome on Jamal-I was just pokeing fun at scum like you-come on back with a”your mother wears army boots” insult. So how is the sex with IRI ,Seixon, and MA? Wait,I don’t want to know. I hear that MA Moos like a cow.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:15 amJamal, How is all that ass kissing going guy? BTW, talked to some people and all had same thought–go $uck your self –just kidding, get a rope and toss it over a tree limb.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:21 amLeave it to FOX to care more about the political fallout of the issue than the issue itself.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:31 amSo apparently the rightwing logic is that everything that terrorists say is always incorrect. This would mean that if the terrorists say that gravity is what causes an apple to fall to the ground, then the rightwing will have to issue the talking point that they don’t believe in gravity. And obviously if the terrorists say that Bush is a failure, then that proves that it can’t be true! What kind of ludicrous logic is this? I despise those who use violence, such as terrorists and war mongers, but in spite of this and even though I may disagree with much of what either group says, I am not stupid enough to believe that everything that terrorists and war mongers say will be false. If nothing else purely by chance, they may occasionally be right. Rightwing logic is for morons and propagandists.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:33 amWe’ll only spare you if you convert to Islam.
America is weak!
Comment by Jamal — September 3, 2006 @ 12:08 am
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September 3rd, 2006 at 1:39 amI think you’d find a number of the trolls originate from the same address (i.e. probably the same few people using different names)
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Only if you have a static [broadband connection] will you see the same IP number.
Alot of people operate, such as AOL, thru proxy servers, a dial up account will always get a different IP number [dynamic IP] and even then there may be a thousand computers sharing the same IP number,. The proxy server [such as AOL] uses the Same IP number for many computers, and it is the MAC address that differentiates one computer from another.
If you have a broadband connection and hash out your own IP addresses thru a router [DHCP on] then each computer on that internal network is seen as the same IP number if viewed from [pinged] the internet side. On the office side, or LAN, each computer in the office is assigned a black hole number such as 10.0.1.1 the next computer that comes online is assigned 10.0.1.2 etc. There is no real way to ban anybody if they dont want to be banned. MSN was really good at it and still couldn’t ban people because we knew of all the registry entries, files etc..that had to be removed or altered =)
I like your Idea I just don’t think it’s possible under the current Internet Protocols.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:42 amWe’ll only spare you if you convert to Islam.
America is weak!
Comment by Jamal — September 3, 2006
Jamal may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your nest..
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:43 amHe refers to President Bush as a liar and a defeated president, hinting that somehow the election in 2000 was illegitimate. They call him a failure, an incompetent. These are the kinds of things that the antiwar crowd has been saying.
I am sure the “anti-war crowd” and AlZawahiri would also agree that the Earth is round and it revolves around the Sun.
Such coincidental agreement is possible only because neither party is trying to deny the undeniable.
Richard Miniter is a smear artist and a fool.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:02 amjamal, the last time I checked a US dollar to a Islam was 4.25 to 1 and could be converted to a Euro at a reverse 3:25 on Monday thru Friday. The Bolsa can be a problem mid week if the new Sheikel( not the previlent old Sheikel) is heavely discounted. Most idiots like you have not a clue. How does that feel to be a moron?. Of course, being a moron might feel good. As a moron do you support GWB?
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:03 amJamal, what week in America are you talking about? Or is that “weak” like your limburg(just take a blue pill)–so as a complete piece of shit ,how do you get through the day?? Have you ever been with a women?? Do they scare you?? Just fact checking.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:11 amjamal it has been fun–If I ever need to cut someones head off it will be yours(dude). No need to thank me-”headless-R-us”. Or as I always said-No head is better than one.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:22 amMaybe everyone is calling him incompetent and a failure as a leader because he is. Maybe if you’re the only people in the room backing the bobtail nag, maybe it is the bobtail nag, and everyone else has the bay. This videotape only leads me to believe even more that Al Qaeda is a creation of this administration and the Zionists in Israel and the US DOD civilian leadership(Zionists: Feith, Perle, and Wolfowitz). Mossad and the US government collaborated to bring those towers down. Israel is no innocent. Seek 9-11 truth. Dont fall into the traps of blind loyalism, be a patriot.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:07 amFirst- Scarface = Jamal. Note the departure of one, and the arrival of the other, and then there is that smell…
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 amOT- I, too question the ‘timely’ arrival of this video. It’s one of their ’signature’ moves. Leaving that aside for the moment, Why do the Righties just accept at face value what is being said? Didn’t they tell us that they have been ‘trained to lie’? Isn’t their goal to destroy America? They can see what a stellar job BushCo is doing in that respect, so would’t they want to keep it going. And the rhetoric being used here is the same rhetoric being used by the Righties, to slander the Democrats. They are always telling us what we are doing and saying, and why. When we refute them, we are called liars, at best. There have been quite a few events lately, that have garnered world wide attention. Some have been ‘terror-related’, and all of them were interrupted, just in the nick of time. The others are pure distractions. All of these events happened within days of anything that would damage BushCo, and further threaten their tenuous control of the Government, and the MSM is right behind them, pom-poms in hand. But in every instance, within days, each story was shown to be much ado about nothing. Therefore, it is entirely reasonable to assume this video to be another BushCo production. They have done more for less before.
Hey, isn’t Ayman al-Zawahiri one of the guys that stars in the new ABC “docudrama†called “The Path to 9/11″? I thought he looked familiar…
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:05 amJamal,
“We’ll only spare you if you convert to Islam.”
what is wrong with you where do U get these statements from?! If you are a true muslim, then you will know what this exactly means:
” la Ekraha fi el deen ” >>> ” لا إكراه ÙÙŠ الدين “
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:38 amDefinitely Karl Rove’s “jump the shark” episode of the Al Queda Show!!!! The timing with Bush’s new “non-political” speeches about “be afraid, be very afraid” “they are going to attack you at the grocery store” is just too perfect to pass the smell test.
Not only that but to have a special American guest star, to exagerate the point; I mean, come on!!!!! That is just too precious!!!!
I think the Al Queda Show may be heading for cancellation. The writers seem tired and the producer seems desperate.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:53 amYour mother supports Al Qaeda.
Comment by WORFEUS
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:13 amCareful WORFEUS, remember what happened last time you insluted someone’s mother…
Its like they have a NETFLIX account with Al Quaida.
Comment by WORFEUS — September 2, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
Very funny and vey true! You are right Worfeus, they have been working hand in hand all along. It has become very transparent for everyone to see.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:18 amAl Qaeda = The Base = Bush and his followers.
But isn’t that way of thinking the best asset those consipiring could have?
I don’t think so. I think that it’s following the trail of facts with logical deduction that proves cases or points. And it just doesn’t add up yet that it’s as extreme as them conspiring… It’s like I said in my subsequent post – they thrive off one another in a very sociopath symbiotic relationship. That’s what the timing suggests.
I don’t consider my recognition of about a zillion amazing coincidences as conspriacy theories.
I just think there’s a bit too much speculation in some of the theories for them to be realistic.
I realize there’s a lot more than we know – but I don’t think it’s some good vs. evil kind of plot. I just think it’s what the Osama experts have been saying – that Osama ‘profits’ more in terms of his agendas when neocons rule the roost.
I am just noting what I see. And what I see is some really well timed terrorist alerts by our government and some really well timed terrorist threats by Al Quaida.
But I think it suggests that Osama likes what the neocons are doing to further his cause. It doesn’t mean they are in cahoots together.
Osma’s goal is not the same as Bush’s. Their religious ideologies are incompatable. Each wants to convert the other’s people to his respective religion. There is no consensus.
However, there is a mutual boogeyman effect each gets from the other being in power. Not the same as them conspiring.
Their coordination has been noteworthy to say the least.
Comment by WORFEUS — September 2, 2006 @ 6:15 pm
Sorry, but I just don’t see conspiring in it. I see two men who like to use one another to get what they want – a theorcratic frenzy of those willing to die for his god’s will. I just don’t see anything more than that.
But, like I’ve said, if anyone wants to back it up with hard facts and valid proof, I’m the first on board. I think teh Bush Regime is corrupt and dangerous and needs to be ejected if not far worse (jail). I’d love to have a smoking gun. I just don’t think this is it. I think it’s the lies to go to war, the illegal wiretapping and the host of other violations that are provable.
Though you know I love ya. You’re still one of my favorite posters after nearly a year at TP and I’m glad you’re back.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:43 amThanks Judd for fixing the text size in the comments box!
Now I can actually read what I am writing… :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 amHey Unbelieveble do you want the smoking gun? Ask Meg Mac for a copy of a manual to be publish, then come back to us.
Comment by Just Plain fukke d — September 3, 2006 @ 10:53 am
Nice try Santo, but I’m waiting for reality-based proof.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:05 amIf you call a college education and enough practical experience to be considered an expert lies, then you are NOT living in reality Santo.
But you are just a ghost, aren’t you? And soon you’ll be disappearing yet again…
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:40 amMy understanding and what pieces I’ve heard, there are no threats on this video. So what’s the ALERT! Right wing pundits actually said Azzam the American should be prosecuted under the Patriot Act for taking part in the video (remember no threats in the video) because expressing his opinion on the video offers “material aid and comfort” to the enemy.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:57 amOh dear, Santo is here. Sigh…
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:13 pmI think that it’s following the trail of facts with logical deduction that proves cases or points.
Comment by unbelievable — September 3, 2006 @ 10:43 am
Really? Thats the “only” method of deduction?
I take it you don’t teach science. Because science does not rely soley on facts for proving a theory. Science relies often on “evidence”, not facts, in order to conclude the validity of a given theory.
A good example of this is the finding of planets by astronomers. Planet hunting has been going on for some time. And astronomers have documented dozens of new planets over the last decade.
Yet they don’t have one “fact” to prove ANY of these planets even exist.
In fact, they’ve NEVER EVEN SEEN ONE!!!
But they know they’re there. How? Simple. By using a method of detection known as Doppler Shift \Stellar Wobble, scientists are able to detect variances in speed by measuring shifts in light caused by velocity as the star wobbles on its axis, caused by the velocity of the turning around the center of its own mass, and the gravitational “tug” of the planet.
They don’t see the planet.
The don’t have any rocks or soil samples from the planet.
No probes or surveys have photographed the planet.
In fact, they have no physical evidence or “facts” to produce to show the planet exists other than “circumstancial evidence” to prove its there.
But they know it is.
And in a similar light, I am able to detect the obvious of bullshit from the administration and their department of homeland security, when they release video tape from Al Quaida and tell me to be afraid.
I don’t see them directly editing the tapes, or calling up Bin Laden and asking him to put one out. I don’t see the vault where many of them may be stored waiting for future release.
But by the looking at voluminous circumstantial evidence I am able to locate the precense of bullshit, by observing the “TIMING” of the terrorist threats, homeland security alerts and releasing of video tapes, in conjunction to the timing of obvious problems and issues for the President and his administration.
I call it bullshit detecting, an art that has served me well throughout my years on the planet.
Keith Olberman did a segment twice now on the timing of the release of terrorist alerts (ALL WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE BOGUS) and problems for the President throughout the last 3 years. It was ASTOUNDING, and only the most “trusting of souls” could walk away without at least a healthy portion of suspicion with regards to the nature of these alerts and the reason for their release.
We agree on most things Unb, but not on this. I don’t need a smoking gun to put ever puzzle together. I am perfectly capable of using the brains God gave me to assemble the obvious evidence, timing and motivation, couple this with the character as displayed be these men, and the results of their so called “terror alerts” to determine that there is some sort of skullduggery going on here that can’t quite see, but whose signs are everywhere if I just look.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:21 pmWorfeus,
How you took what I said and spun it into that condescending post is beyond me… I expect more from you. Whatever.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmWhat is condescending about it? I wasn’t trying to be. I am just pointing out that clearly I disagree with you. I agree with you on most things so why take this so poorly? I am not criticizing you I am just pointing out that I don’t need physical proof or facts to determine everything to me.
And I think you’re wrong about the source and purposes of these video tapes. My words not gospel. Maybe I’m wrong. But I can only tell you what I think. And I think that there is no way these videos and the terror alerts are anything but subterfuge and diversions from problems for the President. And besides, I asked my magic 8 Ball and it said all signs point to yes.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:51 pmAl Qaeda is CIA, don’t ya get it
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:10 pmBut your idea that maybe they are sympathetic to the President because he does stupid things that help their recruiting efforts is a good one, and may hold water. I don’t think its the correct one, but it might be. Its certainly one I’ve considered, and am holding onto as a possible explanation.
Don’t be so sensitive UnB. Geesh you know I never make a weak argument.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:13 pmSandy
Who are you talking to?
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmGood news from Afghanistan
NATO: 200 Taliban Killed
By NOOR KHAN, Associated Press Writer
PASHMUL, Afghanistan – Warplanes and artillery pounded Taliban fighters hiding in orchards Sunday during a big Afghan- NATO offensive that the alliance said killed more than 200 militants in its first two days.
If the estimate is confirmed, the battle would be one of the deadliest since U.S.-led forces ousted the Taliban regime five years ago. An Associated Press reporter who traveled to Pashmul saw warplanes drop five bombs within about 20 minutes on orchards where militants were believed hiding. The reporter was about 300 yards away.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:21 pmAnd in this pre-midterm election “NO ONE” would lie about killing millions of Taliban , Al Queda, Islamofascists – even though they’ve DONE NOTHING for the last 2 years – just to give US voters the “impression” they were actually doing something to win votes. Liars.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmHey , heres another arguement to leave Iraq that “Al Queda” sympathizers might make:
U.S. deaths in Iraq, war on terror surpass 9/11 toll
As the fifth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attack on the United States approaches, another somber benchmark has just been passed.
The announcement Sunday of four more U.S. military deaths in Iraq raises the death toll to 2,974 for U.S. military service members in Iraq and in what the Bush administration calls the war on terror.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:16 pmNow while the tension is high, like a goddamm piano wire, the fear factor comes in, liquid bombs, terror notes, pen guns like James Bond, terror every other word you hear, know thy enemy programs, and, let us not forget, let me repeat, let us not forget that back in 2004, there were terror alerts every time Kerry showed a lead in the polls, then months after the presidential election was over we had Thom Ridge saying he was told to do the terror alerts by the White House, even though he disagreed with them. A fact he shared with us as he was leaving his post as head of Homeland security, safely after the election was over.
September 4th, 2006 at 4:09 amNow we see the same pattern repeating itself as we approach the November elections. The question is will the American people fall for the same tactic, and yes I call it a tactic, and I do so because Tom Ridge had the balls to say the terror alerts of 2004 were not from him, but the White House. And boy, did they disappear after the election a fact we all have lived with.
It’s in this sprit I present my latest cartoon, “homeland Fear Factor”
http://www.whatnowtoons.com
Bin Laden is dead 100%
here was an article on Aljazeeras But then dissapeared after half and hour
Comment by Tobey Tall — September 2, 2006 @ 4:17 pm
I believe he has been dead for awhile also. It would do us only harm to release that he is dead. And it would take power away from the chickenhawks.
September 4th, 2006 at 5:15 am[...] Think Progress | Sept 2, 2006 Early today, Al Qaeda #2 Ayman al-Zawahiri issued a new videotape in which he appeared alongside a man “identified as an American member of the terror network.†[...]
September 4th, 2006 at 9:29 am[...] Think Progress | Sept 2, 2006 Early today, Al Qaeda #2 Ayman al-Zawahiri issued a new videotape in which he appeared alongside a man “identified as an American member of the terror network.†[...]
September 4th, 2006 at 9:29 am[...] Source: Think Progress [...]
September 4th, 2006 at 10:53 am“He refers to President Bush as a liar and a defeated president…They call him a failure, an incompetent.â€
He refers to the sky being blue and clouds being white. That’s exactly what the anti-war-crowd has said for years now.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:59 amIt never accours to them that they might be out of the loop and just about everyone but Republicans can see the Bush Adminstration is sh*t.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:15 pmIt’s so sad to see so called anti Bush/anti war liberals believe in the official 9/11 “incompetence”/Osama fairy tales. Why dont the liberals support the war on terror if they think 9/11 was merely Osama and 19 arab fanatics?
The neocons need Osama bin Goldstein to scare the public, and keep the liberals thinking 9/11 was just “incompetence”…one big whoopsy.
September 4th, 2006 at 11:54 pmUm, not so sure the 9/11 conspiracy theories help our cause, ya know?
I mean, I’m just sayin’ …
September 5th, 2006 at 2:40 pm9/11 Conspiracy
Here are some 9/11 conspiracy videos. The first is a link to a full-length documentary called “Loose Change” (click on the link and follow the link to the video):
http://www.loosechange911.com/
Other shorter 9/11 conspiracy stuff I also found interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2lih2qjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpcnhwFlIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF8-8Kaa8jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBVVs9hcmRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvGFVr6KNk
September 6th, 2006 at 12:44 pm