Dole Stumped When Asked To Name Anyone Who Believes ‘The Terrorists Can Be Appeased’
Dole Stumped When Asked To Name Anyone Who Believes ‘The Terrorists Can Be Appeased’
Sec. Rumsfeld last week compared Iraq war critics to Hitler appeasers. This morning on Fox News, Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) was asked to name someone — anyone — who actually believes “the terrorists can be appeased.” She couldn’t do it.
Instead, she went on an extended rant criticizing those who have “raised concerns” about the PATRIOT Act, the “Terrorist Surveillance Program” (i.e., warrantless domestic spying), and the missile defense system. The host then asked Dole whether that “goes to the level” of appeasement. She dodged the question a second time. Watch it:
Full transcript:
WALLACE: Senator Dole, which Democrats, and I’d like you to name them, which Democrats running for the Senate this year believe the terrorists can be appeased?
DOLE: Well, let me say, first of all, that I think what the administration officials were saying is that this is a very serious situation. They want the American people to realize that these are Islamic jihadists who are literally trying to destroy our way of life, destroy us, and they were raising the level of attention to just how serious it is.
WALLACE: I know, but some people –
DOLE: And I just want to say — let me just mention that the tools that are needed to fight the war on terror, such as the PATRIOT Act — now, there are a number of the Democrat candidates who are against the PATRIOT Act. Sherrod Brown, for example, who’s running against Mike DeWine in Ohio. I could name any number — um, Bob Menendez, I believe, voted against the PATRIOT Act. The Terrorist Surveillance Program, many of the Democrats have raised concerns about this particular tool, which enabled, the same kind of tool enabled the British to come across the plot to bomb airplanes, and the Bank Surveillance Act, and missile defense system, the Democrats have been against the missile defense system.
WALLACE: Do you think that goes to the level — and I’ll give Senator Schumer a chance in a moment — do you think that goes to the level of what Secretary [sic] Cheney called trying to appease the terrorists, or what Vice President… what Secretary Rumsfeld called — or what Vice President Cheney called trying to “satisfy the appetite of the terrorists”?
DOLE: I think that this is designed to raise the attention of the American people to the severity of these Islamic jihadists who are in a holy war, who as I say want to destroy us. It’s a movement, and it’s a very serious matter, and I think that’s what they were trying to do.
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She can’t name one because their “appeasers” are made out of straw and fall down alot, kinda like her husband.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmWow, looks like the weekend right wing spin machine is running full tilt, 100% capacity, full steam ahead, given it all she’s got, we’re not stoppin’ this thing until we have catastrophic failure.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:00 pmFox News asked a real question………TWICE!?
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:00 pmShe should have said this:
it seems to me that it’s up to all of us to try to tell the truth, to say what we know, to say what we don’t know, and recognize that we’re dealing with people that are perfectly willing to, to lie to the world to attempt to further their case and to the extent people lie of, ultimately they are caught lying and they lose their credibility and one would think it wouldn’t take very for that to happen dealing with people like this.
We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmJason needs an enema… Try some veggies Jason. All that meat just makes you fat, pasty, constipated and angry. No wonder you’re wanting to attack the world.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:09 pmName one Liberal who wants that.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:09 pmthan preserve our freedom and American way of life.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Jason, really, Im sorry for you. So scared you are. I hope you find some peace.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:10 pmhag!
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:10 pm“Uh, uh… Some people?”
Happy Labor Day weekend, people! Assclowns of the Week: #46 is up a bit early today. On the spit this week:
George W. Bush (4, 8)
Lee Siegel (6)
Pat Buchanan (3)
Donald Rumsfeld (1, naturally)
And much, much more!
Maybe Liz Dole will make next week’s list. Let’s wait and see.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:11 pmDid you see Bill Maher advocating conversion to Islam!
Comment by Scarface — September 3, 2006 @ 1:06 pm
I saw that interview and your comment confirms your stupidity. Bill Maher is not religious. He openly jokes about being a heathen…
You guys are desperately afraid that we aren’t afraid. How pathetic!
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmRemember your SATs? Try this brain-teaser:
Cheney:treason :: Bush:lies :: Rummy:fascism.
Cheers.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmThanks Jason for your version of the “you don’t know how good you have it, your life would suck in other countries” argument. Well if Americans were not so “shielded” from knowing what the rest of the world is really like, maybe more of the population would not take our freedoms and way of life for granted.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmscarface- do us a favor. move to texas so you and the other bush supporters (no too many left) can start your very own fascist regime. Just because someone critizes the way Bush does his job doesn’t mean they want to play grab ass with terrorists but your too blinded by your dumb ass faith and fear to actually consider intelligent options in the fight. Reality is not a Rambo movie you tool.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:14 pmBut how ’bout Libby’s botched facelift? She looks like Dr. Sardonicus.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmIt’s just sad to see the idiots we choose to represent us in Congress.
Jason, you really have to stop listening to Limbaugh.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:16 pmAnother typical GOP ploy. If you can not back up your allegations, change the subject.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:18 pm
You have got to be our craziest troll yet.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:25 pmHendler, why did George Bush appease Muammar Ghaddaffy?
Why did Bush/Cheney appease the Lockerbie bomber? Do they think they can shake hands with this terrorist and trust him?
-GSD
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:26 pmWhat are you a Puritan? “A pox” isn’t that from like the 16th century?
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:26 pmoh no…not the pox!
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:26 pmWhat the hell is a “holding war”? Is it anything like the CIVIL WAR that is going on in Iraq??
(Mrs. Dole’s face is amazingly wrinkle-free and life-like, yet seems decades younger than her neck. How’d that happen?
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:26 pmAnd no one seems to mention that she is almost unrecognizable. Mr. AND Mrs. Dole seem to spend a lot of time getting artificially hoisted up in one way or another.)
When Donald Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam Hussien in 1983, he was appeasing the terrorists for Reagan.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmJason is another agent provocateur.
Hey look buddy, look at this fine liberal shaking hands with Saddam
Oops! It’s LetsGetReadyToRumblesfeld and his best friend Saddam
And what’s this? Bush is good friends with the Bin Laden family?? Well holy holding-hands-with-bin-ladens batman! (picture provided)
How’s about all this other information, detailing the family ties for Bush Bin Laden right here
Including such juicy tidbits as how a Learjet containing several Bin Laden family members was allowed to fly out of the USA just days after 9/11 while all other air traffic was grounded?
Did you know also, the Bush family wealth originated from dealings with the Nazis? Looks like Bush Jnr inherited some great morals from ol’ grandpappy Bush.
With such stout integrity and lack of conflicts of interests like this, we can count on BushCo to get the job done and keep America safe. Just sign your Bill of Rights and Constitution away here. And here. Sign away your life to perpetual debt here too please. Thanks.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmLooking at Liddy, no wonder Bob Dole needs Viagra to get things in action. Liddy Dole is erection kryptonite.
-GSD
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmdoes this include renters?
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmGee scarface your utopian society doesn’t leave alot of room for anything but two states of religious whackos. To simplify America like that is discraceful and shows your lack of intelligence. YOur list is a crock o shit too. I’ve never heard one of those people say they want to shake hands with terrorists. Your so dumb it hurts.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmNice neocon enemies list scarface. Still, not one of them is looking to shake a terrorists hand or appease them in any way. That makes you a liar and your list shit.
That was easy.
Maybe you should take a look at how well your freedom has been preserved over the last 5 years instead of repeating the lies you’ve sold.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:29 pmScarface = agent provocateur. Do not fall for the trap, which is simply to derail the topic.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:30 pmScarface is a walking contradiction.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:30 pmWe should be surprised republican women are as unethical, liars, cheats, and asshats as republican men? Of course she couldn’t answer the question, Rove gave her the talking points 2 minutes till air and she hadn’t even thought about them before opening her mouth.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:31 pmHey scarface FRANCE is a US ally.
Remember those ? We used to have loads of em, now not so much.
The French fight next to our soldiers in Afghanistan. What, you don’t like their “toast” or something?
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:33 pmSympathizer?
Dipshit, Prescott Bush, George Bush’s Grandpa, funded the Nazis. You need to wake the hell up and read something. Anything. And turn off Fox News.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:34 pmScarface,
Dipshit, if this wasn’t your first day on this site, you would know that I don’t like Clinton anymore than I like Bush. But, it is your first time here and you think you know everything. So, rather that realizing that a lot of the peolpe here don’t like CLinton either, you just come here a spew a lot of worthless garbage. Dumbass.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:36 pmWhy are the trolls usually the nastiest on Sundays after church?
What do they tell you guys when you attend? I thought Jebus was about peace, love and loving your neighbors…?
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:43 pmScarface,
Ever heard of the Inigma Machine?
It was made by IBM.
There is a big difference between randomly naming some people and saying they do something and having proof.
Now, you are trying to change the subject.
You said that Democrats want to shake hands with the terrorists. I said name some. You provided a list and I asked for one single link to any one of the people for proof and you are now changing the subject to who supported the Nazis.
Now, provide a link to one of the people on your list stating that they want to shake hands with the terrorists.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:43 pmYou know, she sounds like a robot.
Totally ignores the question and just repeats the same propoganda over and over.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:44 pmAs an aside: Fox Moos spelled Rumsfeld wrong lol they put “Rumsleld”.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:47 pmYou want righteousness!! I got your righteousness right here…..
Who was it that said he went to war because GOD spoke to him?
That would be George Bush.
Who repeatedly calls this a battle between good and evil or a CRUSADE?That would be George Bush as well.
The left is not abusing the name of god for their political purposes.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:48 pmHAHAHAHAAA…
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Hey Republicans..It’s the Stupidity, Stupid!
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:50 pmYou are correct. It is the right who uses god’s name to create wars. Both George Bush and Osama bin Laden do it. They are both conservative religious righties.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:50 pmYou are correct. It is the right who uses god’s name to create wars. Both George Bush and Osama bin Laden do it. They are both conservative religious righties.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:52 pm==
Hitler also used ‘Christianity’ and God to get his war machine greased, yet we all know Hitler wasn’t a Christian, such is why I have serious doubts about these people whom always use GOD as their Rationality for war.
The Right doesn’t believe in God. They believe in money, and are so sick that they think collecting great wads of money make them closer to god-like. They certainly have proved that they have no intention of following Christ, and that and of jesus’ teachings as applied today would just be appeasing the terrorists (all 15 of them). Whining, lying cowards are what the big money has brought us, and now they’re stripping us of our freedom and democracy because they’re afraid af a dozen angry Muslims. Being a Republican means having a serious mental illness.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:52 pmThe Right doesn’t believe in God. They believe in money, and are so sick that they think collecting great wads of money make them closer to god-like.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:57 pm==
Such is why they are so confused. The bible has Jesus flipping the tables of the money changer and telling them that the love of money is the root of all evil. And it makes the GOP Hypocrites of Christianity from the word go.
The GOP is desperate to keep their power. The only thing they’ve got left is to try and deflect attention away from their atrocious policies. If they pull off another victory this fall, expect the fascism they want to foster to spread completely around this country. It’s about time for others in the MSM to follow the Olbermann lead and beginning speaking about what’s really going on here.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:59 pmSenator Dole is correct. Liberals would rather shake hands with and appease the enemy than preserve our freedom and American way of life. Liberals need to have all of their freedoms stripped away so they can learn to appreciate being American.
I can’t tell if you’re being facetious or not, Jason, but I’ll assume the worst and say that the Patriot Act does a nice job of stripping freedoms. The bank surveilliance and warrantless wiretapping do a nice job of stripping freedoms.The President’s placing himself above the rule of law does a nice job of stripping freedoms. Where will this freedom stripping end?
It’s nice how the terrorists “hate us because of our freedoms”, or so we’ve been told by this administration, and they’re appeasing them by stripping our freedoms away.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:04 pmShame the trolls can’t even stick to using the same name, they have to keep making new ones to spare their embarrassment.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:06 pmMissile defense system? How in heck does Lizzy “pleased as punch” Dole think Star Wars will stop Al Qaeda? What has she been putting into her punch? Lord – she is a pathetic POS.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:18 pmThis is too easy.
Wasn’t it President Bush’s current Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld who shook hands with Saddam Hussein after it was known that Hussein was using chemical weapons and gassing his own people?
Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand in appeasment
Maybe Jason thinks Donald Rumsfeld is a liberal?
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:24 pmTurd meet blossom……blossom……..turd.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:26 pmDoesn’t that sound like fascism to you? It does to me. Weird. I think the dictionary agrees with me.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:27 pmNew book alleges Rove held secret Abramoff meetings;
Stepfather’s gay life explored
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Saturday September 2, 2006
A new book by Austin-based journalist James Moore and senior Dallas Morning News political reporter Wayne Slater will report Tuesday that Karl Rove’s step-father, Louis Rove, divorced his mother and lived the rest of his adult life as an openly gay man, –RAW STORY has learned.
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YO Jason what were you saying about moral republican values and raising kids?
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:27 pmason M. Hendler sed:
Senator Dole is correct. Liberals would rather shake hands with and appease the enemy than preserve our freedom and American way of life.
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The only picture I have seen of a ‘neo-liberal’ shaking hands with the enemy is Don Rumsfeld and Saddam..
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:29 pmHow in the hell did they get this hag out of bed and sobered up enough to appear on an early Sunday program?
She was out boozing it up with George Allen last night for Gods sake.
There is nothing worse than a female drunk.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:31 pmI have always disliked her, I prejudged her as a phony. Then I read a lengthy article about her obsessive compulsiveness and her neurotic habits of sending aids ahead to count steps between here and there, so she would be sure to step off on the most flattering foot, in the most favorable light, etc.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:31 pmShe is a shallow person – my first impressions were not wrong.
Another thing – I have often felt that Republiscum have no sense of humor and scarface and JMH prove that correct also; satire and sarcasm escape them.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmDang, I thought Scarface and Jason were joking. It turns out that they seriously do hate America.
Why do conservatives like to appease terrorists by stipping away what makes us American? Why are conservatives anti-American?
Seems as if we dropped a million conservatives off in Cuba, we’d have a good start in improving our own country. Of course, Cuba would be more in the crapper than they are already.
Tough.
By the way, Scarface, it was you conservatives that wanted to enter WWII on the side of the Nazis.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:34 pmApparently they think shock and awe bombing resolves all problems. They can’t express themselves, so they want to use force to get their way. How juvenile. They have never matured and assimilated into society where tact, diplomacy, discussion, negotiation and compromise make all the wheels turn.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:38 pmBecause they themselves are ignorant and impotent, they assume that everyone is as well, so like poorly raised children, they are the ones fighting on the playground every day.
#6: if we divide America the Red States will go bankrupt. Plain and simple, the Red States receive more money from the federal govt than they pay in and the Blue States put more money in than they receive back. Good luck to ya!
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:41 pmWhat God does the right fight in the name of? NOT THE GOD I SERVE!!! If anything, he would come down and destroy these idiots that serve the god of money, power and wealth, or what Bush says is, “His base.” (Quoted form F 9/11. God wants us to prosper, but if the least of us is hungry, he is not happy. HELLO NEW ORLEANS NOW AND DURING HURRICANE KATRINA!!!
And this guy uses the name scarface? Dosen’t he know he is advocating/representing a drug dealer that went bad with delusions of his own power and was destroyed when he got out of control? OOPS. I guess he is using the right name supporting this adminstration/crime family/cartel.
Hey Think progress guys, pick a right wing blog and troll today on me!
SAY GOODBYE TO THE BAD GUY!!! YOU NEED PEOPLE LIKE ME!!!
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmThey hate us for our freedom.
President Bush is dertermined to bring that to an end, one way or the other.
Probably the other.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:45 pmhey, scarface…
GO DIE IN IRAQ.
you too, hendler. you country needs you…needs you DEAD.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:45 pmThey only wake sen. Dole up when it’s time to use the rubberstamp or it’s time to change Depends.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:46 pm[...] Liddy Dole. [...]
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmFunny how the trolls didn’t even attempt to defend Rumsfeld’s and Cheney’s lies and accusations. “Wait… look over here… here’s a straw man that I could try to defend instead.” weak.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:53 pmGeez Louise, how are the repukes going to stigmatize the results of their own policies to stay in office?
Ahhhnold has had to go so radical as to support Democrat policies.
If they want to get elected they are going to have to behave like Democrats for the next couple of months.
They gotta go for the short term memories of Americans to stay in office.
They gotta claim to be victims of their own polices.
They gotta claim they didn’t want any of this.
They gotta claim Democrats are to blame for their ‘good’ policies going ‘bad’.
They gotta claim they will get it right the next time around.
Tax cuts, ‘war’ spending, spying, budget busting programs will be fixed if you all just give them one more chance.
If Americans don’t give them that chance. The Terrorists will win……. had to throw that in too.
And never bring up the subject of how terrorists will attack us because preventative actions were never taken before new attacks took place.
After all the Democrats who are not in power in anyway, shape or form are to blame for Republicans lack of action here.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:57 pmSince I’m still reading comments here, I wanted to add that the terrorists and Republicans have something else in common…
The Islamist terrorists want all the world to follow a strict interpretaion of their Koran, which is very similar to the Christian Bible.
The Christianist Republicans want all the world to follow their interpretation of the King James Old Testament, which is very similar to the television series, Leave it to Beaver.
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:12 pmI LOVE Sundays on TP — the talk shows and the trolls are full of material on which to make fun.
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pmScarface,
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmSadly, I think you will find that “United States of America” is copyright ([c] 1776, 1789, 1863) property of the Blue States. If you want to split you’re going to have to come up with a new name for your lot. You liked “Confederate States of America” last time you tried to quit in pursuit of your peculiar institutions, but I wouldn’t presume to tell you how you want to brand yourself this time around.
Those Tri Deltas sure can shovel it.
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmI think our Miss Liddy has gone a bit senile.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmHey conservatives, check out where billions came from to put you in control of our government.
You conditioned tools.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/9/13513/46197
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmJackson Brown
Before the Deluge
Some of them were dreamers
And some of them were fools
Who were making plans and thinking of the future
With the energy of the innocent
They were gathering the tools
They would need to make their journey back to nature
While the sand slipped through the opening
And their hands reached for the golden ring
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In the troubled years that came before the deluge
Some of them new pleasure
And some of them knew pain
And for some of them it was only the moment that mattered
And on the brave and crazy wings of youth
They went flying around in the rain
And their feathers, once so fine, grew torn and tattered
And in the end they traded their tired wings
For the resignation that living brings
And exchanged loves bright and fragile glow
For the glitter and the rouge
And in the moment they were swept before the deluge
Now let the music keep our spirits high
And let the buildings keep our children dry
Let creation reveal its secrets by and by
By and by–
When the light thats lost within us reaches the sky
Some of them were angry
At the way the earth was abused
By the men who learned how to forge her beauty into power
And they struggled to protect her from them
Only to be confused
By the magnitude of her fury in the final hour
And when the sand was gone and the time arrived
In the naked dawn only a few survived
And in attempts to understand a thing so simple and so huge
Believed that they were meant to live after the deluge
Now let the music keep our spirits high
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:25 pmAnd let the buildings keep our children dry
Let creation reveal its secrets by and by
By and by–
When the light thats lost within us reaches the sky
“Liberals would rather shake hands with and appease the enemy than preserve our freedom and American way of life. Liberals need to have all of their freedoms stripped away so they can learn to appreciate being American.” -Some Random Shrubsucking Asshole
Like being treated like a common criminal at our nation’s airports.
Like having our phone lines wiretapped by our government for years before it is declared unconstitutional.
Like being unable to participate in any religious or academic situation without the possibility of government infiltration in the name of “terrorism.”
Like being unable to participate in a peaceful anti-war demonstration without being filmed by the local police department.
Like being unable to witness immigration hearings.
Like being unable to speak to your attorney in a federal prison without the government listening in to your conversation.
Like being thrown in jail indefinitely without charges and without the benefit of legal counsel.
Like having your personal papers and computer files seized without a search order in the name of “terrorism.”
Like prosecuting librarians if they refuse to divulge the names and addresses of individuals who have checked out books the government deems “a threat to Merka!”
Like being denied your right to a speedy trial.
Like forcing dissenters and protesters into “Free Speech Zones” so that the crackhead need not be subjected to their truth-telling presence.
Like making it a crime for non-profit advocacy groups to even utter the name of a national candidate within the last sixty days before a general election.
Like denying airline pilots the right to arm themselves in the cockpit.
Like having your home invaded by federal agents during a “sneak and peak” operation as permitted by the Patriot Act (they are in your house when you aren’t there, and you never know about it until you are arrested).
Like having the government seize your personal property for the sake of “eminent domain.”
Like having the government freeze your personal bank accounts if you are suspected of having ties to “terrorists.”
Like treating our prisoners inhumanely, indecently, and not in accordance with the Geneva Convention.
Like outright refusing groups like Amnesty Internation and ACLU the right to file lawsuits against the government for their misdeeds, in accordance with the Patriot Act.
Like being subjected to excessive punishments for victimless crimes.
Like the right to basic healthcare.
Like the right to establish dominion over our own bodies.
Friend, you wouldn’t know what “being an American” means. In fact, you are so far from being an American, it isn’t even funny. A lapdog of a fascist, that you are. An idiot only too willing to give another idiot absolute power over you and your sad little life, yes. But being an American? No. You know nothing about that.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:02 pmSince when is being against missile defense somehow a negative when it comes to combatting terrorism?
As a reminder, Dip$hit Bush and his Phucktard posse emphasized missile defense OVER Al Qaeda and terrorism prior to 9/11, just one of the MANY indicators that Bush ignored the terrorism threat til it was too late.
Missile defense. Maybe if the Republicans hadn’t been sleeping on terrorism and trying to pass missile defense and make such a big deal out of Kyoto in 2001, they would have prevented terrorism, which Clinton’s folks called the single greatest threat to America upon leaving office, a warning which was totally ignored by the Bushies.
Keep watching Fox News, twits, you too can be innoculated against the facts.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmBelieve what you will about racial profiling, King Ghidorah. The authoritarian personalities in charge simply love the fact that everyone needs to submit to searches when riding air, bus, or rail transport. You’d still get your luggage ransacked and person defiled, no matter how white you think you are.
And while there are leftists who are for gun control, only a minority of them balk when it comes to arming public servants and pilots. Are you saying that the TSA is appeasing leftist gun control nuts at the price of your safety concerns?
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pm#48 – Spudge_Boy,
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmThe only problem with your claim for the Enigma Machine is that it was invented before IBM existed. The technology of the machjine was so guarded that no German company with relations outside of Germany was allowed to participate in its manufacture. The history and desciption of the machine are here.
I am very aware of its existance because my Dad was on the team that developed an electronic version that decoded the messages faster than the Germans could after the Brits broke the code. As a result, the Allied forces knew the message contents before the German high command or field commanders.
LIZZIE STUMPED? Guess she didn’t have her talking points prepared? Unfortunately, she doesn’t have a clue as to who she is and has been a GOP ‘cheerleader’ for too long. Or maybe it’s all of the hair dye and corrosive cosmetics leaching into her brain through her pores? She’s a non entity as far as I can see. Maybe she’ll do commercials with Bobby someday?
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmIf “Leftist” equals common sense than yeah. Nobody should take a gun on a plane. A bullet through the very soft aluminum hull means game over for anybody on board. Air Marshalls should be carrying something that will take out a highjacker and not penetrate the hull.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:40 pmThe Left controls the media, Hollywood and special interests groups. Also George Soros’s front groups will organize protests along with their allies from CAIR.
Ah, the George Soros conspiracy. Got it.
And here I thought it was the aliens who control our military from Area 51.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:41 pmThanks for insight, guys. What I thought was hair dye and cosmetic chemicals was probably plain old-fashioned booze. Whatever it is, it ain’t pretty! Everytime one of those airhead repugs appear, they manage to shoot themselves in the foot by either being obviously impaired (intoxicated, inebriated, or just plain suffering from senile dementia) or by stammering wildly and abruptly hijacking the conversation to something they can speak to by rote. It’s pathetically obvious to viewers who come away scratching their heads and wondering….”is this what I am paying to represent me”? Wow! Lizzy’s old and over the hill. It’s apparent that she is suffering from some form of brain dysfunction.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:45 pmSpudge Boy…
Shooting a gun on a plane will not cause explosive decompression
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:46 pmSorry chris, I love the mythbusters, but using retrofitted graveyard recovered airplanes ain’t the same thing.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:51 pmOnly a very sick individual would think that typing that in any form is anywhere near funny. You are a twisted person who will rot in hell for what you think is right.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:53 pmI’m not even a reublican so ha!
You can’t be a libertarian. Trolling doesn’t fit their personality type. You must be a communist.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:53 pmHow does the Left control the media, Hollywood and special interest groups? Explain?
I had a conversation, basically a waste of time, with a conservative, who was convinced that because the students and faculty at Ivy League universities were predominantly Democratic voters, this was therefore prima facie evidence that said Ivy League institutions had some sort of conspiracy to: a) discriminate against conservatives; and/or b) brainwash conservatives into becoming liberal.
When I pointed out that maybe it was the case that smart people (who one might associate with the Ivies) were more likely to be openminded enough to change their narrowly defined worldviews, and that such sophisticated intelligent people might inherently be predisposed towards abandoning a political ideology that holds as self-evident such “truths” as “global warming is a product of the liberal media” or “evolution is just an opinion of certain left-leaning scientists” or “if you cut taxes on the investor class, the economy will grow so fast that you’ll receive more in taxes”.
Of course, this gent was also predisposed to calling things he disagreed with “Leftist” or “Marxist”. And of course, he had no idea what “Marxist” actually meant, proffering a definition that would have encapsulated approximately 99% of Burkean conservatives in its breadth.
For you Republicans out there, the last 3 paragraphs may be difficult to understand, so let me break it down for you: You are very very very stupid.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:54 pmbut using retrofitted graveyard recovered airplanes ain’t the same thing.
Point taken :)
There has to be a military study on this somewhere.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:56 pmWaltTheMan,
I heard IBM on a History channel or Discovery channle show on the end of WWII. Interesting link.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:57 pmJason is a juvenile. It’s obvious when you read his posts. He’s afraid and knows that he has been victimized by the great fear factor which has been utilized as a weapon against him. Don’t blame him for reacting in fear – pity him.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:57 pmJust sayin’.
I like the Mythbusters though. Me and the kid watch it all the time. They do some crazy sh!t.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:00 pmI don’t speak for everybody on this one, but I don’t like ANY religion. It is only around to control stupid people. I am sure you are very religious.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:02 pmIf you listen closely to Senator Dole, I think that you’ll find the idea that she was trying to get across is that the all the hyperbole and rhetoric was used to get across the idea that fighting terrorism is serious business. I don’t think that the Doles are particularly fond of all the exaggerations, it’s not their style, but they are party loyalists all the same.
A few months ago, I e-mailed Dole and our other NC senator Richard Burr about the NSA program and the threat that I feel it is to our civil liberties. I received a form response from both that could have been written by the same person. If the Republican controlled congress were truely the evil monolith that it is described as sometimes, they could have made all these activities legal ex post facto, had some show hearings, and got the whole thing swept under the rug before the elections. They don’t even know how to make it look like they are exercising oversight.
Calling the administration war criminals and Nazis has been a tool of the left for a long time, hence their outrage at having the same names flung at them is less than sympathy inspiring.
It seems to me that if the Bush junta are the Nazis the Democrats are no better than the Vichy government in France during the occupation of that country. The two party system is dead, I don’t expect the democrats to restore civil liberties when they take power. Power corrupts and absolute power . . . .
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:03 pmNow name one Athiest anti-religious person that holds any power in the USA.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:12 pmThis news ties in nicely with a BBC-2 program that had just been aired, “Al Qaeda: Time to Talk?” featuring Peter Taylor.
First off, they did notice that America isn’t in the right mental state for conducting negotiations. Before anyone starts ranting, remember that engaging in a discussion, rather than by arms, does not mean that you endorse the terrorist’s opinions and ideals. Personally, I would add that during the 2nd World War Allied and German corporations continued doing business, albeit via Switserland. Then there’s also the PLO. Talking with your enemy can be fruitful.
Now what would “the-coalition-of-the-willing” (or whatever’s your eufemism for US/UK-combination) talk about with Al Qaeda should they opt to try that out for a chance? Realistically speaking, I know it won’t happen during the next two years, but a Middle-East expert featured on the program reiterated Al Qaeda’s three main points:
1. Israel-Palestine conflict.
2. American support for authoritarian regimes in the Middle-East.
3. Presence of American troops in the Middle-East.
Right now the current foreign policies (if any) of the US mainly serve Al Qaeda’s interests, the more wrong turns (Abu Graib, secret prisons, occupation of Iraq, etc.) are made the easier it becomes for the terrorists to recruit people for their causes. Ponder about it. If you start talking with them and make it known to the world, what would that do to the image of Al Qaeda? If it hampers their ability to radicalize Muslims, do it yesterday.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:16 pmOn this site I have seen posts bashing Jews and Christians, but praising Islam.
To me all extermists are bad. Including the Atheistic anti-Religious extermists!
Comment by King Ghidorah
Interesting, please elaborate King — How can one be an atheistic anti-religious extremist?
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:20 pmAren’t you cute. I take it you are Scarface. He came up with the same lame ass type of list, so I will ask you for links, which you won’t provide, so I take it we are done.
BTW: I do appreciate you putting me at the top of your list of people who are Aheist anti-religious IN POWER. Can you tell me what I run. I want some money.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:22 pmThere is no god but Allah and Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) is his prophet!
Comment by Sanjay — September 3, 2006
I’m thinking Jamal has a sockpuppet…
We went thru this yesterday. Isaa is Jesus [Isouv] and Sulieman is Solomon [Sulayaman] and all three of these ‘Ideologies’ are in effect ‘Abrahamic’.
WTFU
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:25 pmSpudge_Boy,
Hillary Clinton
Howard Dean
Keith Olbermann
George Soros
Russ Feingold
==
Umm King Hillary is Baptist, Soros is greek, Feingold is Jewish.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:27 pmI couldn’t stop laughing at Rumsfeld’s comment. If Bush had been president when Hitler had to be stopped, he would have attacked Spain with only the Polish as allies.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:30 pmAllah Allah Allah.
==
Jeex sudo freeper extremists [Kagan Ghidorah and Simjay], you should get to know your material before you go regurgitating your latest freeper Fax;
AllÄh is the Arabic language word referring to “God”, “the Lord” and, literally according to the Qur’an, to the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob” in the Abrahamic religions
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:31 pmYou guys,King and Snajay, have to be the stupidest mussulman ever.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:33 pmIslam sucks and Mohamad (death be upon him) was a pedophile!
Comment by Porky Pig
==
And so are the Republicans;
Republican Congressman
Edward Schrock resigned from
Congress after he was caught searching for sex on a gay telephone service.
Republican Mayor Jim West
championed an anti-gay agenda,
but was later found to be gay himself
Republican preacher Jimmy Swaggart
preached fidelity, but cheated on
his wife with a prostitute
Republican Congressman Bob Livingston was planning to vote for
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:35 pmimpeaching President Clinton
for sexual improprieties until
it was disclosed he is an adulterer
==
Now, whos the Hypocrites??
No wonder her husband has Erectile Dysfunction.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:39 pmOooo, Spongebob, how original. We are messing with people’s names now. Okay, you are now King Shit for Brains.
Scarface is the name you used in this thread before or your talking points are showing and you are repeating what another winger said ealier. Try to be more original.
Howard Stern is Jewish and talks about being Jewish constantly. Apparently you have never heard him talk.
Sorry, Jewish falls under Judeo-Christian. So, He would have to be anti-himself. Doesn’t seem likely.
You are pathetic. Try again.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:40 pmAllah means the God. The God of Israel had a name. It was Yahweh Elohim.
Yahweh is not the only GOD of the Jewish people, I suppose you forget the Lemba tribe?
Old maps of the Holy Land have now revealed that there was a place called Lemba way back BCE
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:40 pm1) We believe in only one God Nwali.
‘God’ has over 350 names King Ghidorah.
In fact, if you read your scriptures you will find that GOD has no name, and hes says so.
You can’t know his name until you know his face.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:42 pmThat doesn’t change the fact Mohamad was a pedophile!
Comment by Porky Pig — September 3, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
I’ve got news for you Herodetus.
EVERYONE was a pedophile back then by modern day standards. Or were you not aware that the average age of marriage for a Jewish girl 30 CE was 13, with many marrying as early as 9?
Idiot.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:43 pmTrinary Sockpuppet,
The democrats are without sin, right?
Comment by King Ghidorah
Are you?
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:43 pmI have not defended any sinful democrats, nor do I copnsider myself one, they are however less corrupt than the GOP.
Now if you would like to post some democratic pedophiles, beside baseless rhetoric, then I will gladly agree with you.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:45 pmGood luck with that one. This guy is like your drunk republican uncle at a family BBQ.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:46 pmAnd everyone hates a sloppy drunk.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:47 pmKing Ghidorah is a moron troll!!!!
Comment by dixie blood
Yeh but he’s fun to mess with =),
Obviusly he doesn’t know the difference between the old testament and the new testament much less anything about religion[s] in general except for the one ‘book’ about Allah, that he did read.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:49 pm==
LoL Spudge
Looks like the topic of this thread has the trolls worried.
Apparently they can’t name anyone that believes terrorists can be appeased, either.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:51 pm“You guys are desperately afraid that we aren’t afraid”
Does this even make sense?
Scarface, put own the meth pipe. Step back inside the double wide. Take a deep breath.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:58 pmI share the view of Scarface at 7. My hope is that he and I may meet some day at a Constitutional Convention wherein the USA loses the red states into their own right-wing theocratic-lite republic, and stops dragging the economic, cultural and social life of the USA down. Why New York City and Maryland and Seatte have to keep subsidizing the underdeveloped states of the former Confederacy decade after decade with progressive taxation and southern-fried Congressional pork (interstates connecting towns with no stoplights, military bases placed to featherbed a local backward economy, etc) is beyond me.
See ya then, Scar.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:03 pmThis is their core fear…all their belief falls apart at their feet…
Comment by dixie blood
Dixie, you always know the right thing to say. :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:17 pmOkay Goebbels. Your Jedi mind trick won’t work here. Saying Howard Stern is an Athiest neither makes it more true or means that he said it. Going by what you say, you aren’t a fan nor do you listen to him, so how the hell would you know. Somebody on Fox said it. Hmmm, I will take Howards word on that.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:25 pmYes it was and it is also the name taken by a troll who talks exactly like you do. Just like Steppford wives, you guys are all exactly the same.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:26 pmFirst:
Then:
I am confused, is he saying his is a lefty?
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:28 pmHoward Stern said it in an interview.
He probably said the same thing I did:
“Organized religion is the work of the devil.”
That doesn’t make me an athiest dumb ass.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:29 pmNo, we go to Football Blogs to argue about that.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:30 pm#48, Spudge Boy, minor inaccuracy. The Enigma machine wasn’t ‘made’ by IBM, unless you mean ‘manufactured by’. The original inventor[in Dutch] was either H.A. Koch or T.A. van Hengel/R.P.C. Spengler. Roughly translated, Koch was the person who acquired the patent in 1919, the other two had developed a similar machine in 1915 for the Dutch Navy. Supposing that Van Hengel and Spengler had developed the machine, they let Koch patent it so it could be sold commercially and they would not be persecuted for selling on state secrets.
The commercial venture wasn’t a big success and the patent was sold in 1928 to the German Arthur Scherbius, who sold the apparatus to the German armies. In the 1930’s the Polish made several clones based on the original patent, some of which were transported to France and from there to England. [Maarten van Rossem's, "Heeft Geschiedenis Nut?"] The very first German Enigma (e.g. not a replica) was retrieved by the British in February 1940, from the submarine U-33. In 2000, the American movie ‘U-571′ caused quite a stir when they tried to ascribe the effort to US soldiers.
Spudge Boy, sorry for the references of the sources being in Dutch. Can’t help being bilingual.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:33 pmWas this thread about Lizzie Dole or not? This has been seriously hijacked.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:34 pmSeems to me that it’s the republicans who are more than willing to give up our freedom and and give up all that America was and is. This gang wets their pants and invades the wrong country because they’re threatened. Says they’ll give up all of their freedom and liberty because they’re uneasy. Bunch of pants wetting surrender monkeys. Give me liberty or give me death. Not for the republicans. They all crawl under the bed and sell out their civil liberties.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:34 pmYou guys are a bunch of isolated elitists morons!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 7:11 pm
Elite is a relative term.
For example, almost anyone who could form a coherent sentence compared to you might appear to be “elite”.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:36 pmOh, one more thing. Why do the republicans hate America so much they’re willing to toss out the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and turn it into a theocracy run by a king? Please, someone, help. Give me back my country.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:37 pmBut I hate the holier than thou Lefty Atheists and their Islamic buddies!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
The pews in churches across America are made up of both republicans and democrats and everything in between.
Only a fool would equate Atheism with Liberalism.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:37 pmThe same thing happened to Tony Blankley the other day. His response was, “Oh, well I don’t have my notes in front of me.” This is something the press nor the Dems. have done, is to immediately challenge this clowns, when they spew their outlandish, venomous talking points.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:39 pmThey have banked on being able to get away with saying their talking points, in unison, and framing the debate.
Which comes from Stalinist/Castroite/Maoist/Nazi ideology!
Comment by King Ghidorah
Damn, read a book, would you?
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:39 pmI’m just spewing back the hate the left spews. You guys are a bunch of rich sheltered idiots. People that used to get beat up in HS. You guys create hate on the Right.
Comment by King Diarrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 7:32 pm
Now this ones a keeper.
Lets examine.
I’m just spewing back the hate the left spews
Really? Because you’re the ones with all the guns.
You guys are a bunch of rich sheltered idiots
Really? How do I sign up for that plan?
People that used to get beat up in HS. You
Really? So assuming thats correct, you’re tauting ignorant bullying and battering of other people as a virtue of the right?
You guys create hate on the Right
Really? I thought we were the haters. Now you’re saying that you’re the haters, only we created that hate within you?
:|
Wow. We must be very powerful.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:44 pmKing Ghidorah — may I call you King? — you don’t know the first thing about me or my politics.
I am not a royal pseudo-intellectual such as yourself, but I recognize back-pedalling when I see it.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:47 pmBut, what does this:
Which DOES NOT state he is athiest.
Have to do with:
Who cares about likes and dislikes. The issue is the fact that there are religious whacko, not athiest whackos, in the White House right now.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:47 pmWhat’s wrong with pedophilia, it’s just a form of free expression!
Comment by Keith Olbermann — September 3, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
Man, the righty trolls sure are desparate, aren’t they?
Once again, LINK. If you can’t provide a link, the STFU.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:47 pmWORFEUS,
I was talking about Leftwing Atheist that spew hatered to religious people
Comment by King Diarrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 7:39 pm
Hmmm…I’m looking in the TV guide here.. lets see.. Benny Hinn, Jerry Fawell, Ernest Angely Gospel Hour, The 700 Club, Lakewood Church with Joel Osteen, ….
:|
When exactly do those atheist shows come on again?
I’d love to catch one.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:48 pmThat’s the problem with straw men, they don’t have names.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:50 pmthe left is powerful in this country.
The NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Newsweek, Time Magazin, CBS, NBC, ABC, George Soros’s Media Matters, MSNBC, Hollywood, Bill Gates.
Comeone you guys have a very powerful propaganda machine. Whatever the right has done is in emulation of the left.
Comment by NFL Guy — September 3, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
Really? All those are “leftist” controlled?
Then why is ABC airing a right wing propoganda film this week blaming 911 on Clinton?
Start by answering that one and we’ll go on to the rest.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:51 pmYou think any retard that comes here spews the same crap as you.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:53 pmI have a life and part of it is spreading the word about the right’s lies. I don’t want another 2 years of Bush. He has broken the law many times and needs to be impeached for it. As an American citizen you should want the same thing, whether right or left, just like me.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:55 pmOh and by the way helmet head, if all those stations are “leftist controlled” as you state, then why did NBC, ABC and CBS all refuse to air Farenheit 911?
Seems like if they were so “leftist controlled” that ONE of them might have got that one on the air by now.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:55 pmI am not a leftest, nor am I a democrat. I believe Bill and Hillary are just as evil as your man Bush. They are all part of the Carlyle group.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:56 pmWORFEUS,
Did you see it yet?
Oh my god one anti-Clinton film.
What about all the Leftists news reporting?
I blame Clinton and Bush for 9/11.
Unlike you I’m not ideologically blind!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 7:54 pm
Perhaps not. But you’re definately grammatically and coherently challenged.
I have no idea what point, if any you were trying to make by these last 5 incoherent sentences.
Please elaborate.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:58 pmIs Mike Wallace still on the air?
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:58 pmI always make sense, but since you decided to come on here and start attacking everybody as being lefty whackos, you never found out anything about us. You assumed you knew us or anything about us. Start with an attack, get an atttack back.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:00 pmThis is what I am talking about. WORFEUS has the same views for the most part that I do.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:02 pmYes, and I happen to know that Bush and Kerry are cousins as well.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:02 pmI don’t hate the left and neither does he. I don’t hate the right either. My mom and dad are righties. We realize that there isn’t really blue and red in Washington, it is more of a purple color.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:04 pmKing Ghidorah definitely has at least one of his heads firmly up his kiester.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:05 pmWorfues,
All you do is praise the Democrats and Bash Republicans. ,,,. You on the other hand worship the Dems like they’re God and belive any Leftists propaganda.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
Like Spudge said, you need to put down the cue cards.
I’m NOT a Democrat slappy.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:07 pmAnd like Spudge my family is republican and I myself was a republican for about 20 years.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:09 pmNow I tend to think of myself as a Cheeseburgerian, with a little bit of Budweiserian tossed into the mix.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:11 pmThe only way there was a posting on this site praising Hezbollah, would be a right winger pretending to be one of us saying we were praizing them. There isn’t one single person that posts here that thinks terrorists or terrorist organizations are good. We don’t like them. We understand how they are created. If knowing how terrorists are created makes you a sympathizer, then there is something flawed in that thinking.
I highly doubt there is anybody here that will sit in a tree to save a park or will stand in front of a bulldozer to keep something from getting squashed. There are liberals who do that stuff. We are progressives that are down the middle of the road. Of course, I don’t speak for everybody here. There are lots of different people with different views. There are even some tolerable right wingers that come by from time to time.
Long story short: Terrorists are bad.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:12 pmgood job, king ghidorah…
please continue to waste your energy demonizing roughly 10% of the american population (atheists).
now if you’ll excuse me, i have the annual muslim-atheist friendship dinner to attend. because muslims really love atheists. it’s right there in the koran, after “hate them for their freedoms”.
incidentally, the old testament first refers to the name of god as elohim — which means “the gods” (strange, eh?). shortly thereafter it changes to yahweh, which means “i am”. only twice does “yahweh elohim” appear (”i am the gods”?). theologists believe this is just part of the transition from polytheistic beliefs to a monotheistic belief — a necessity if writers of a religious text were to consolidate the pantheon of gods of various attributes into one omnipotent, all-powerful supreme being.
i’m sorry, does that evidentiary and reasoned approach kill the magic of the lord for you?
just remember, guns don’t kill people, god does.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:13 pmTerrorists suck.
Suck big ones.
Maybe we should stop making them now?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:14 pmTerrorists suck.
Suck big ones.
Maybe we should stop making them now?
Comment by WORFEUS
I’m all for that, Worfeus.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:17 pmincidentally, the old testament first refers to the name of god as elohim — which means “the gods†(strange, eh?).
Comment by progressaurus rex — September 3, 2006 @ 8:13 pm
Indeed.
In fact, if we are to believe Moses and the First book of the Torah, we will find the following;
Who is the “US” and the “OUR” that God’s referring to?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:17 pmThat oughta keep him busy for a while.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:20 pmWho is the “US†and the “OUR†that God’s referring to?
Comment by WORFEUS
God and his gay friend, Terrance.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:20 pmit was just a big faith-based re-education program.
no pagan left behind
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:21 pmNow Zooey.
You’re gonna offend the Ernest Angely choir members in here.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:21 pmYou’re gonna offend the Ernest Angely choir members in here.
Comment by WORFEUS
Mission Accomplished.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:23 pmwell, it’s pretty clear that in old testament times, god was a real asshole. and of course god hated gays. so i doubt he had terrance as a friend.
then that dirty liberal jesus came along and taught god tolerance, so terrance wasn’t lonely anymore.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:24 pmThe original appeaser of Islamic fundamentalism?
RONALD REAGAN, who gave ARMS to the Iranians who kidnapped Americans.
Reagan sent the clear message to the Iranians that they could cut a secret deal with Republicans, as long as it benefitted Republicans.
And so screwed us all.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:26 pmJesus was a liberal. He was a leftist. He was a rebel.
I find it therefore hilarious that the right wing claims to be the Christian party.
They wouldn’t even recognize Jesus if he turned a thousand gallons of their Jesus Juice into Manishevitz.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:27 pm“I don’t have to provide links as you know the names Im put down are anti christian!”
“You once gain spew the intolerance of the left. Who cares about Bush’s religious beliefs.”
“For the record I don’t care about religion. I don’t like the holier than thou Bible thumpers. But I hate the holier than thou Lefty Atheists and their Islamic buddies!’
Comment by King Ghidorah
The disassociations in this thread between one post and another are enough to make one dizzy. Up the meds Flip-flopper, or better yet, call your shrink ASAP.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:27 pmKing Gidorah = Scarface.
Seriously.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:29 pmThey’d hold him down, shave his beard and head, and toss his ass into Gitmo.
Course then they’d baptize him.
With a waterboard.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:29 pmwell, it’s pretty clear that in old testament times, god was a real asshole.
Comment by progressaurus rex — September 3, 2006 @ 8:24 pm
Course maybe it was just the guys writing about God were real assholes?
Maybe thats why Jesus came to straigten their asses out?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:33 pm“You guys are desperately afraid that we aren’t afraidâ€
Does this even make sense?
Scarface, put own the meth pipe. Step back inside the double wide. Take a deep breath.
Comment by BushYouth — September 3, 2006 @ 6:58 pm
Actually, I said it, and yes, it makes perfect sense. The neocons are afraid of everything – but especially the fact that the fear tactics that work on them don’t work on us – hence we are not afraid and even that scares them.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:35 pmalso, tubino,
the reagan administration supported fundamentalist muslims in afghanistan against the soviets, even after gorbachev offered to withdraw soviet forces. among those fighting there: osama bin laden.
the irony: the soviets didn’t want a hostile, militant, fundamentalist islamic country on their southern border. gorby even asked then-secretary of state george shultz for help in containing the spread of “islamic fundamentalism.” He was ignored.
once again, a republican administration was myopic about perceiving the real threats to the world, and forged ahead blindly.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:38 pmBut I hate the holier than thou Lefty Atheists and their Islamic buddies!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
Good that makes me happy that you won’t be showing up at any of the places I do, and vice versa. I already have to deal with enough irrational “god’ idiots like you as it is. Stay far away from me. I’m less likely to go to prison than you are, and I wouldn’t want to deny you your just due by being a positive role model or anything…
Typical religious hypocrite who hates and judges in the same of some ‘loving’ deity…
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:40 pmDamn, read a book, would you?
Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2006 @ 7:39 pm
Could we request something non-fiction from an actual bookstore? I’m thinking the Playboy magazines he reads don’t count. :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:43 pmCourse maybe it was just the guys writing about God were real assholes?
yea worfeus, i agree. if you consider the brief and probably terrifying brush the alpha male types had with a matriarchal society in mesopotamian times, being an authoritarian asshole was probably just a knee-jerk reaction.
ironically, we are seeing that same knee-jerk reaction with respect to feminism today.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:44 pmI’m very well read.
The rest of your post contradicts your claim.
Toatlitarianism is the same. It doesn’t matter if it’s Right or Left. The difference between you and me, is that I’m not a rigid ideologue like you, and I don’t think that a certain political party is some kind of saviour.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:46 pmComment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
King Ghidorah,
I wasn’t saying you’re Al Pacino, and you know it. I was not complimenting you.
Could we request something non-fiction from an actual bookstore? I’m thinking the Playboy magazines he reads don’t count. :)
Comment by unbelievable
I’m thinking a history book. Do you really think he reads the tame stuff?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:47 pm:P
Worpheus,
I’m not a progressive but a do it yourself type of person.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 8:43 pm
Thank you Bob Vila.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:47 pmhonestly king ghidorah,
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:49 pmif you don’t vote then what the hell are you complaining about? that’s got to be one of the more ignorant things i’ve ever seen written here.
#245 – unbelievable whips out the red pen…!
I was just going to let him continue to bury himself, actually. :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:49 pm================================
It seems to me it is the GOP who are terrorist appeasers. They go around quacking about how the terrorists “hate us for our freedoms†so, in response, they are systematically taking them away to appease the terrorists.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:50 pmI’ll disagrees with you about the whole terrorist thing.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 8:43 pm
Well before you “disagrees” with me on my whole “terrorist thing”, you might want to scroll up and actually read the one and ONLY thing I’ve said today about the terrorists.
I said Terrorists suck.
So if you’re saying you disagree with that statement, then please by all means elaborate on how terrorists don’t suck.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:51 pmId on’t like the Republicans with their family values crap and I don’t like the Dems with their redistribution of wealth and Internationalists thinking.
Comment by King Diarrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 8:43 pm
Yea. Can’t have any “family values” in this country. And we sure don’t want to redistribute the wealth, or stimulate the economy on a global scale.
Did you fall down a lot as a child by any chance?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:53 pmwell, it’s pretty clear that in old testament times, god was a real asshole.
Comment by progressaurus rex — September 3, 2006 @ 8:24 pm
Have you noticed how a person’s interpretation of their god is exactly the same as their personal perspective? Neocons have a violent god, moderates have a god that works on both sides of the fence, and liberals have a hippie god.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:54 pmking,
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:54 pmhow ’bout we go back to 1953, when the democratically elected prime minister of iran was overthrown in a cia-backed coup that, incidentally, employed the use of terrorism? that was during eisenhower’s presidency. this event ultimately led to the iranian islamic uprising in 1979.
I have a copy of Harper’s Encyclopedia of Miltary History. on the History Channel I’m watching a show on the Night Templars.
Comment by King Ghidorah
Good for you, baby.
I’m reading The Decameron, by Giovanni Boccaccio. And I own a copy of The Inferno, by Dante Alighieri. That makes me sooooo smart, too.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:54 pmHonestly, I don’t vote it’s a waste of time
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 8:43 pm
:|
I see.
So you feel your time is better spent how exactly?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:55 pmironically, we are seeing that same knee-jerk reaction with respect to feminism today.
Comment by progressaurus rex — September 3, 2006 @ 8:44 pm
Thank you. I love when this awareness comes from a man!
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:57 pmI am very well read.
Comment by King Diarrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
Now thats true.
We read you like a book.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:57 pmwell, as the bible says, unbelievable, god made man in his own image. perhaps it should really read “man made god in his own image”?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:58 pm
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:00 pmThey are not “Islamo-fascistâ€; they are Islamic theocrats who want us to live by and be governed by their interpretation of what God’s will is.
Do you really think he reads the tame stuff?
Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2006 @ 8:47 pm
Sorry, I don’t know what else there is. Is Hustler worse?
I was just going to let him continue to bury himself, actually. :)
Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
Well, I figured he wouldn’t notice his hypocrisy if we didn’t point it out. You know how often neocons miss the obvious :)
Besides, I needed something else to grade. My students mostly write much better than he does…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:00 pmWorking to save money to buy property out of this country.
Comment by King Ghidorah
I’m taking up a collection for King Ghidorah…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:01 pmI’m reading The Decameron, by Giovanni Boccaccio. And I own a copy of The Inferno, by Dante Alighieri. That makes me sooooo smart, too.
hey zooey, i read green eggs and ham to a five year-old the other day. it was enlightening.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:02 pmKing Ghidorah- what the hell do epic Indian poems from three thousand years ago have to do with anything? Congrats, you’ve had a basic World History class.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:02 pmI have read the Ramanaya and Muhtabarat
that talks of ancient flying machines, battles on the moon and an ancient Nuclear war! Interesting stuff. I’m sure you know about this.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 8:48 pm
I think what you’re trying to say is you’ve read the Ramayana and no, I haven’t read it, I am not a Hindu.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:03 pmhey zooey, i read green eggs and ham to a five year-old the other day. it was enlightening.
Comment by progressaurus rex
I love that book! One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish is an all-time favorite, too. I think I memorized it when my eldest wanted me to read it to him 47 times a day. :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:04 pmSorry, I don’t know what else there is. Is Hustler worse?
Comment by unbelievable — September 3, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Personally I prefer a good copy of “Big Uns”.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:05 pmOnce again you disply Leftists arogance. Do you know me. I think not. I am very well read. You’re no different than the Christian Right. Intolerant and arogant!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
You aren’t even aware of how much of a hypocrite you are, are you? Funny stuff. Like the folks who kill people to stop them from killing… You have been doing nothing but accusing and assuming and finger pointing since you showed up, but then when you are called out based on actual things you’ve said, you pitch a temper tantrum and play victim to your own game. We aren’t that stupid. You should start hanging around other people who are smarter and you might begin to catch on…
I’m not typical of anything. None of us are. It’s why we are liberals. We don’t have a list of commandments to define us. We each get to define ourselves.
I know – you don’t get it. You’re grammar was the smoking gun in that riddle…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:05 pmTo Zooey and progressaurus rex,
the Let us make man in our Image are the Elohim. they were the creators of man. They were an advanced being called by the Sumerians the Annunaki.
Comment by King Ghidorah
You’re flogging a dead dog, King. I’m gonna call out Godzilla on your ass.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:06 pmwell, as the bible says, unbelievable, god made man in his own image. perhaps it should really read “man made god in his own image�
Comment by progressaurus rex — September 3, 2006 @ 8:58 pm
Precisely! :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:07 pmYou’re flogging a dead dog,
Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
He’s “flogging” something alright.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:08 pmPersonally I prefer a good copy of “Big Unsâ€.
Comment by WORFEUS
Is that balls or boobs? Or balls and boobs?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:08 pmStop with the name calling. I’m asking you a serious question.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 8:59 pm
Says the pot…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:09 pmi hear rumsfeld’s coming out with a new book — it’s called appease, oh please, appease in threes!
it’s all about that dastardly ‘crat in the hat, and how he gets good american children to blame america first.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:09 pm. I mean it’s quite possible that Humanity was more advanced in the ancient past, but some kind nuclear war set civilization bak and it’s taken 10,000 years to get back to that level. I was refering to your posts about the Elohim.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
No actually I think you’re referring to the first episode of Planet of the Apes.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:10 pmBwawawawa! If even Chris Wallace at Fox News gets that this, “appeasing” meme is pure hogwash, it looks like Karl Rove is going to have to come up with better scare tactics to get the American people to vote Republican.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:10 pmThe Radical Left and the so called Christian Right feed off each other. Without each other there would be no rationale for the existance of either movements.
Comment by King Ghidorah
Ouch, my brain! If, as you say, you have actually read a book, have you ever noticed something called grammar or sentence structure?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:11 pmIs that balls or boobs? Or balls and boobs?
Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
Mammaries.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:11 pmThey were an advanced being called by the Sumerians the Annunaki.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:02 pm
And my five year old niece thinks that she talks to invisible flying unicorns. Same difference.
The belief in gods that don’t interact with humans simply gives people an excuse for doing horrible things on that silent diety’s behalf. Much like Osama, Hitler, and Bush doing the will of their psychopathic gods.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:12 pmI was mentioning this because I thought you might be interested in an Alternate history of Man.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:10 pm
I am more interested in an alternate future of man.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:13 pmMammaries.
Comment by WORFEUS
Whew…!
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:13 pmWTF- nuclear war 10,000 years ago? Dude, please can I have some of what your smoking.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:14 pmIs that balls or boobs? Or balls and boobs?
Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
On the same person?
Worfeus? Have a hermaphrodite fetish?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:14 pmThe belief in gods that don’t interact with humans simply gives people an excuse for doing horrible things on that silent diety’s behalf. Much like Osama, Hitler, and Bush doing the will of their psychopathic gods.
Comment by unbelievable — September 3, 2006 @ 9:12 pm
Hope you’re not still pissed at me, but I had to quote this one, mainly because it is my gospel.
The number one killer of mankind. The most destructive, dangerous, dastardly and deadly force in the universe, is religion.
Period.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:15 pmThe Radical Left and the so called Christian Right feed off each other. Without each other there would be no rationale for the existance of either movements.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
I’m not a radical. Ask the 9/11 Inside Job folks…
33% of the world is Christian. 24% is Muslim. 15% is Atheistic. Third place is a bronze medal at the Olympics – hardly radical…
You can’t say that those standing up to people who wish to oppress and extreminate them are feeding off the group trying to be dominant. Read the Bible it’s filled with garbage about killing non-believers. We Atheists don’t have a book. Probably why we have significantly less of us in prison than religious folks. We are also the minority (about 15% in this country admit to being non-religious). Tug of war only is a challenge if you have even numbers…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:18 pmKing Ghidorah, your right, our ancient alien masters left us to join the rebel alliance in the fight against the evil galactic empire ruled by emperor palpatine and his enforcer Darth Vader. Theres a difference in being open minded and sounding just plain cukoo.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:20 pmYou don’t think it’s possible that there were more advanced beings than us
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:15 pm
Oh I’m sure there’s more advanced beings than you, all over the place.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:20 pmI was mentioning this because I thought you might be interested in an Alternate history of Man.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:10 pm
Oh goody, another nut to get to ask about the intelligent design of the human appendix.
I’m betting he won’t answer it either.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:21 pmReligion isn’t the only killer of man.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
Never said it was the “only” killer of man.
I just said it was the BIGGEST killer of mankind.
And it is.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:21 pm======================
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:22 pmAre you a scientologist?
First thing you see after not being on in awhile:
Have a hermaphrodite fetish?
Hmmmmmm, I think I may have to hang out and watch the trainwreck :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:23 pmNat- king Ghidoraha is the living reancarnation of L. Ron Hubbard, here to save us all with his infinite wisdom.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:24 pmHope you’re not still pissed at me, but I had to quote this one, mainly because it is my gospel.
We’re good. :)
The number one killer of mankind. The most destructive, dangerous, dastardly and deadly force in the universe, is religion.
Comment by WORFEUS — September 3, 2006 @ 9:15 pm
No argument from me…
Though I think patriarchal religions are the worst. Hindus and Buddhists, which are more respectful of women, tend not to go around killing people. It’s the monotheistic ones I tend to bash.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:24 pmWhat about the Millions that dies at the hands of Stalinism, Nazism and Maoism?
They weren’t religions but Political ideologies.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
Well Nazism was sure as hell based on religion. Hitler was a Catholic. The Nazi party were based on the Crusades and the Germans believed it was their divine destiny to rule.
What do you think “Die Tausend Jarh Reich” means?
Its the literal reign of Christ on earth for a thousand years. The Germans just substituted Hitler for Jesus.
Kinda like the neocons substitute Bush for Jesus.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:25 pmBanning religion would be a form of totalitarianism itself.
Comment by King Ghidorah
King, I haven’t said a single word about religion, or about banning religion. I respect other’s right to practice their religion, even if I am not religious myself.
Please, pull at least one of your heads out of your ass, it’s causing vapor-lock.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:25 pm========================
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:26 pmEveryone is intolerant to some degree or another but you seem to be the most intolerant.
Probably why we have significantly less of us in prison than religious folks.
Hey that’s not fair, everyone knows the best chance of getting out is to find “God”. If my best chance at freedom was religion, I would be all about stand/sit/kneel/pray.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:26 pmHello Tundra! Long time no see! What news of our Squeegy?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:28 pmYour a very closed minded person like most Leftists.
In other words, you can’t argue on merits, so you attack a strawman of a stereotype… Not surprised.
You don’t think it’s possible that there were more advanced beings than us that might of ruled over us.
No. I’m sane and I’ve studied much science. Evolution shows no evidence for any such thing. Evolution tend to move forward, progress, become more intelligent and adaptive – not less.
Or that the Legends of Atlantis were based on some real events? Perobably not since this doesn’t fit in with Darwinism. The Religion of the Left!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:15 pm
Again, without proof, I don’t believe in Santa Claus, Elvis still being alive, flying spaghetti monsters or any other thing that requires me to suspend my grasp on reality. This does not make me close minded. Just realistic. Try it sometime. You might have some non-imaginary friends as a result.
I have no religion. Unlike you, I don’t need it. I can handle myself without imaginary friends…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:29 pmDon’t feed the trolls…their posts make just about as much sense as Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the fascists.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:30 pmHeya Zoo,
He’s doing pretty good, we are slammed at work, bunch of new projects. I talked to him earlier and he is getting some stuff done around the house because the golf tournament is tomorrow.
How have you been?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:31 pmif my religion constantly told me there is a better life after you die, i sure as hell would be given to thinking that this life sucks.
counterproductive, ain’t it?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:31 pmBanning religion would be a form of totalitarianism itself.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
None of us suggested banning religion. That violates our liberal beliefs actually. Try to think before you accuse. No one said to ban religion. We just don’t want it forced upon us.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:32 pmforced birth…fodder for republican wars.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:33 pm.
Let the Blue staes form an Islamic Republic and the Red states a Judeo-Christian nation. That’s the fairest solution to our problems. It’s time for a division of America!
Comment by Scarface —
At first, I thought Scarface was being sarcastic. But then I realized, from reading his consequent posts, that he is serious and also not bright enough to recognize that Bill Maher was being sarcastic about converting to Islam. First of all, do Scarface and the other trolls who spew the usual “leftists are sympathetic to Islamo-terrorists” bunk have any figures on the Muslim population in the Blue States. Do they really think Muslims outnumber Christians and Jews in such states? Have they ever noticed that the two cities with the largest Jewish populations (New York and Los Angeles) are in blue states and that most of the Jewish people in Congress are again from blue states?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:34 pmBut since Scarface takes Bill Maher’s sarcasm seriously, let me quote one of his previous suggestions to the Civil War era southern states: “If you don’t secede at first, try and try again and take Texas with you.”
As for Mrs. Dole, while I usually avoid commenting on people’s appearance, she really did look weird, and she only repeated the usual rightwing talking points robotically.
as far as some people are concerned, liberal=communist…
that’s where this “banning religion” talk comes from.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:34 pmIt’s not the biggest. The Mongols didn’t kill in the name of Religion. Neither than Alexander the Great..
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:25 pm
Yes it is.
Just because its not the Christian relgion to which I am farily certain you are a patron, doesn’t mean they weren’t religious.
Alexander followed the religion of the many Gods, and made sacrifices at the shrine of Achilles.
Trust me fella, you don’t want to do this with me.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:34 pmThat’s the koran. You yourself are intolerant and want to shove your views down other people’s throat.
You are the equal of the Christian Right!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
No dipshit, it’s also in the Bible that non-believers should be killed. Need quotes or do you know how to google it yourself?
I’m not shoving my views down anyone’s throat – exactly the opposite. I’m standing up to religious freaks who are trying to turn this country into a Christian theorcracy.
As usual, you don’t get it. And, as usual, I’m no longer surprised.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:35 pm=====================
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:36 pmHitler is like Bush. He used Christianity as a way to relate to the public and to get whatever it is he wanted.
actually king g,
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:37 pmthe concept of “darwinism” is a conservative christian straw man. people who believe evolution is extensively supported by scientific evidence are not darwin-worshippers. that’s preposterous.
Wrong, Hitler was a Pagan.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:28 pm
No he wasn’t dimwit. He was a baptized Catholic and he even counseled with the mother church at Rome.
Put down the L Ron Hubbard and open a history book.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:38 pmSeptember 3rd, 2006 at 9:38 pm
How have you been?
Comment by Tundra
Absolutely fantastic! I’ve been hanging out here, getting rid of some undirected aggression. I hope you’re doing well also. Tell Squeegy I miss his snarky face, will you?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:39 pmbut the Hindus have attacked Muslims too.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:26 pm
Most people don’t consider self-defense an attack…
One of my best friends is a Hindu from mumbai. His religious beliefs are peace and tolerance. He wishes everyone a happy or joyous whatever they are celebrating because he is considerate that way.
Buddhism is a derivative of Hinduism (the Buddha was Hindu), just a Jesus was a Jew… Unfortunately, Christianity wasn’t an improvement over Judaism in terms of violence…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:39 pmSeptember 3rd, 2006 at 9:40 pm
They were an advanced being called by the Sumerians the Annunaki.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:02 pm
==
Ah Hell King Ghidorah done went and got a tinfoil hat, err crown, while I was off eating.
Umm, King have you ever seen a 12,000 year old Dropa?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:41 pmhttp://www.greatdreams.com/himalayan/dropa-person.jpg
Yeh, you see a space ship crashed near the Himalayas and see they had sex with these barbaric cavemen, and they used lasers and blasted a hole to in the earth, and they chanted the logos, and the earth flooded, and then masters ship came, and dropped them off, and the men from Chem, and see they were real big, Nephilim, and the others were Sumerian [Cimmerian or Scythian] and they wrote all these bibles and texts with computers and they had nano-assemblers and created dinosaur bones and scattered them about, and the plan is to Drago-ise all the humans so we can join the intergalactic empire as soon as the fundies and zionists get all the Jews back to Israel and start a nuclear war, and then the big spaceship of the master, hidden under the sphinx, will come and use a tachyon tractor beam and take us into the ship and then we will travel to an alternate universe with a perfect copy of earth, where we will start all over again..
Adolf Hitler
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:41 pmMein Kampf
Did you hear about the biologist who had twins? She baptized one and kept the other as a control.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:42 pmIf my best chance at freedom was religion, I would be all about stand/sit/kneel/pray.
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 9:26 pm
Heh heh.. Not me. But, hey, odds are against either of us being in there to begin with… :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:42 pmHe also worshipped the Persian and Egyptian Gods.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:40 pm
Yes, he did “worship” the Persian and Egyptian Gods.
What I am trying to figure out slappy, is what in that sentence constitutes to you someone who is “not religious”.
:|
It boggles the mind.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 pmAlexander the Great didn’t conquer in the name of a particulair religion. he wanted to unite Humanity. He also worshipped the Persian and Egyptian Gods.
Comment by King Ghidorah
The names have changed but the God remains the Same Zeus, Ra, Re, El, Thoht, Hermes, Horus…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 pmThey entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 pm========================
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 pmSomething is seriously wrong with you.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 pmAlexander the Great was religious.
Hitler was a Catholic.
Should I try to get your clock a little more clean or will this suffice?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:44 pmDid you hear about the biologist who had twins? She baptized one and kept the other as a control.
Comment by Tundra
Heh.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:46 pmWorpheus,
read this we might both be right and wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Adolf_Hitler’s_religious_beliefs
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:43 pm
Uhh, thanks Herodotus, but I don’t need to read Wikipedia to know Hitler was a Catholic.
I have apparently forgotten more on the subject than you’ll ever know.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:46 pmBut in reality I’m convinced that the Christian Right and Radical Left are controlled by the same people. An power behind the scene that benefit from discord!
==
Hey look a light bulb just went on in The Kings Crown..
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:46 pmTell Squeegy I miss his snarky face, will you?
Of course, On a side note:
What is the response around here of the Jill Carrol story and her being forced to recite the Koran?
Also the following excerpt:
Then one evening she bounded in with a grin. She was delighted by the news reports that thousands of homes in California had been destroyed by forest fires.
“This is justice” wrought by God, she said, “because the soldiers destroy our houses.”
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:47 pmunbelievable,
That’s the old Testament which is the story of Jewish survival. Where in the New Testament does it say kill unbelivers?
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:45 pm
It doesn’t. But she said “the Bible”, not the New Testament.
Last time I checked the Old Testament is part of the Bible.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:48 pmWorfeus- this is like watching a guy get stomped in an alleyway. Ouch! I don’t think he’s had enough yet.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:49 pmHeh heh.. Not me. But, hey, odds are against either of us being in there to begin with… :)
We can hope! Unless they keep taking my rights away :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:49 pmYou believe in Darwinism which is a belief system.
No, I don’t. You need to return that crystal ball. It’s broken.
I accept evolution because there is proof for it. Not a belief system. Get it?
Why atre there legends in all societies about an ancient advanced past and some kind of deluge?
Boredom? Why do we have television shows about fictional people in fictional events? Fictional books? Fictional movies? It’s called entertainment… You’re not supposed to take it literally. It’s a parable. And, it’s impossible that a flood of such proportions existed. There isn’t enough water on the planet to flood it. Even if you melt all the glaciers.
You just prove my point, it is the Left that’s intolerant of other views.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:34 pm
Being smart and realistic is not equal to intolerance. It’s equal to being smart and realistic.
However, repeatedly accusing me of thinsg that aren’t true makes you look like a fool.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:50 pmWORFEUS,
Hitler turned against Catholism.
Read what I sent you. We both have a point.
However the Nazi movement itself was anti-Christian.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:47 pm
No, it wasn’t. The NAZI movement was based entirely on Christianity, right down to the Swastika, which is a “bent cross”.
Get a clue slappy.
The Thousand Year Reign (Die Tausend Jarh Reich) was taken straight from the New Testament and is a representation of the Thousand year reign of Christ on earth.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:51 pmYa know, I am a christian person,,,but this repeating old history and expecting a different result is truly asinine;
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:52 pmBenjamin Disraeli that he used it as material for a historical romance: The Wondrous Tale of Alroy. .In the twelfth century there arose in Khazaria a Messianic movement, a rudimentary attempt at a Jewish crusade, aimed at the conquest of Palestine by force of arms. The initiator of the movement was a Khazar Jew, one Solomon ben Duji (or Ruhi or Roy), aided by his son Menahem and a Palestinian scribe. “They wrote letters to all the Jews, near and far, in all the lands around them…. They said that the time had come in which God would gather Israel, His people from all lands to Jerusalem, the holy city, and that Solomon Ben Duji was Elijah, and his son the Messiah.”*[The main sources for this movement are a report by the Jewish traveller Benjamin of Tudela (see above, II, 8); a hostile account by the Arab writer Yahya al-Maghribi, and two Hebrew manuscripts found in the Cairo Geniza (see above, II, 7). They add up to a confusing mosaic; I have followed Baron's careful interpretation (Vol. III, p.204; Vol. IV, pp.202-4, and notes).] .These appeals were apparently addressed to the Jewish communities in the Middle East, and seemed to have had little effect, for the next episode takes place only about twenty years later, when young Menahem assumed the name David al-Roy, and the title of Messiah. Though the movement originated in Khazaria, its centre soon shifted to Kurdistan. Here David assembled a substantial armed force – possibly of local Jews, reinforced by Khazars – and succeeded in taking possession of the strategic fortress of Amadie, north-east of Mosul. From here he may have hoped to lead his army to Edessa, and fight his way through Syria into the Holy Land.
Have fun you guys, I’m gone.
I’m starting to feel like a bully….not.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:53 pmNo, it wasn’t. The NAZI movement was based entirely on Christianity, right down to the Swastika, which is a “bent crossâ€
And we also see this same cross as a lucky symbol to the Hindu people. Hitler took a good luck symbol and demonized it =]
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:54 pmOne last shot:
Liddy Dole! Put down the botox and back away — slowly!
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:54 pmBeing smart and realistic is not equal to intolerance. It’s equal to being smart and realistic.
But many religous people consider themselves “Smart and Realistic”
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:54 pmYou believe in Darwinism which is a belief system.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:34 pm
LoL.
No, it’s NOT Aristotle.
Darwinism is a “scientific theorem “.
A “belief system” is like your silly notiion that a nuclear war took place here 10,000 years ago and wiped out an advanced civilization.
Thats a belief system, albeit a really ridiculous one.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:54 pmReally, then why do Leftists want to enforce anti-Religious views on other.
We don’t. It’s a strawman. We want freedom of and FROM religion. We are simply defending our right to reject your belief systems and not be attacked for it. BIG difference.
You and the Christian Right need each other. that’s a fact.
You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the ass.
You’re each other’s boogey men. If the Radical Left and Christian Right disappeared the political discourse of this nation would improve.
Wrong yet again. The oppressed (non-religious) and be the oppressors. And again, there’s nothing radical about being non-religious. If anything, religion is radical since humans are the only species on teh planet to have it.
But in reality I’m convinced that the Christian Right and Radical Left are controlled by the same people. An power behind the scene that benefit from discord!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:37 pm
I bet you think the Moon Landing was a hoax, don’t you?
Well, you’re convinced in a lot of other nonsense, so why not this latest batch?
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:55 pmKinda like Karl and Bush taking the conservative party and demonizing it..
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:55 pmhe turned against Catholism and created his own twisted Christian blief.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:50 pm
You rest my case.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:56 pmYeah son, like how you said Hitler used a “twisted” form of christianity, thats still RELIGION numb nuts. Your point is dead. You should really just let it go, why don’t you ever want to discuss the future of things. Are you working on a book- King Ghidora’s History of the World. Chapter 1- The Nuclear War of 10,000 BCE.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:58 pmThey said that the time had come in which God would gather Israel, His people from all lands to Jerusalem, the holy city
How many armageddons are the fundie extremists gonna create before they figure out that the endtimes is nothing but fear factor??
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:59 pmThat’s the old Testament which is the story of Jewish survival. Where in the New Testament does it say kill unbelivers?
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:45 pm
Point to the passage that tells you how to pick and choose which Biblical tennets to follow and which to ignore. It doesn’t. It says “Bible”, in one book bound with one spine and one cover. And Christianity accepts the whole book as bound.
You don;t get to pick and choose. That IS teh point in following a pre-packed ideology that someone else came up with…
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:59 pmThe Swastika, is an ancient Eastern/Hindu symbol not a twisted cross.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:57 pm
From your favorite, wikipedia.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:02 pm
Worfeus- this is like watching a guy get stomped in an alleyway. Ouch! I don’t think he’s had enough yet.
Comment by buzzbomb — September 3, 2006 @ 9:49 pm
I hate to disturb your fractured little reality anymore than it already is (disturbed), but the exact opposite is happening. Worfeus is spanking the king.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:02 pm“It’s not desirable that the whole of humanity should be stultified – and the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.â€
So King now do you see why Bush made anti-semitic remarks?
They are not Christian, they are not Muslim, they are not Jewish, they are not Catholic,,what does that leave?
Can you say Edomites?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:02 pmAs for its origins that I am not disputing or debating.
I am only referring to what it meant to Hilter. the Christian and the Catholic.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:04 pmUnbelievable, thats what I said! BYW, you are a school teacher correct? I have to take the praxis I test in a couple weeks. When I become a teacher, I am going to order King GHidora’s History of the World because it sounds really good, not.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:05 pmBut many religous people consider themselves “Smart and Realisticâ€
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 9:54 pm
And they also believe in talking donkeys, that the world was ‘created’ in 7 days and that a virgin had a baby…
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:05 pmI never denied the Old testament, but honestly I’m not even all that religious. the point I was making is that the Left is intolerant of Religious and Alternatve views.
They are not, in fact many of the ‘left’ as you say that are here seem to know more about religion than many a Christian I have met. They truly don’t care about religion they just don’t like people preaching to them, neither do I.
I do not think religion and government are compatible.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:06 pmWORFEUS,
It wasn’t real Christianity.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:59 pm
Neither is what the republican party is practicing, but that doesn’t stop them from calling themselves Christian.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:07 pmand that a virgin had a baby
It happened in Star Wars and that’s real!!!!
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:08 pmIt wasn’t real Christianity.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 9:59 pm
Delusion is a powerful drug. Yes, it was.
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed. [Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922, published in My New Order, quoted in Freethought Today April 1990]
And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.174]
http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_AHitler.htm
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:09 pmComment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:00 pm
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:09 pm============================
It does not make a whole lot of sense for Hitler to be anti-catholic when most of the people in Germany were Christians. As I said before Hitler, like Bush, used Christianity as a way to relate to the people, control them and to get whatever it is they want.
Look I’m not debating with you that Hilter wasn’t a good Christian or a good Catholic.
I am just debating with you that he saw his mission as a divinly inspired one, as the majority of nutcase dicators do, and he acted accordingly, punishing millions of Jews for what he felt was retribution for crucifying Christ.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:09 pmOkay Kingo, since you like tin foil hat stuff Analyse these names; Uncle Togarmah, Skull and Bones, George Bush, Gog, Magog, Esau, Edom, Khazars and Apocalypse or Armageddon.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:10 pmAnd they also believe in talking donkeys
Isn’t that the Symbol of a political party? Hmmmmmm the plot thickens.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:11 pmcome on King-o take little steps, think man think!!
You are oh so close, yet so far..
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:12 pmI never denied the Old testament, but honestly I’m not even all that religious. the point I was making is that the Left is intolerant of Religious and Alternatve views.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:02 pm
No, we are intolerant of having irrational religious views forced upon us. We are intolerant of them taking over our country. And we are intolerant of them denying us the right to reject them without persocution.
Walk around for one week telling people you are an Atheist and see what it’s like. Until you do, you only are speculating about what we want. And as one, I’m telling you, you don’t know what the hell you’re babbling about.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:12 pmThe swastika was around before the christian cross and had nothing to do with Christianity. In fact the cross itself is Pre-Christian.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:09 pm
I am not debating that fact. I am well aware of the origins of the Swastika.
I am talking about why Hitler picked it. He picked it to symbolize Aryan purity of the German people is the common notion. But it also represented the cross, and that to him was good way to sucker in the Christians in Germany.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:13 pmSo we can agree that Nazism Religious beliefs were a mixture of Easten Occultism covered by a false Christian name?
twiddle dee and twiddle dum would be proud of you king-o..
Your not using your noggiin.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:13 pmUnbelievable, thats what I said! BYW, you are a school teacher correct? I have to take the praxis I test in a couple weeks. When I become a teacher, I am going to order King GHidora’s History of the World because it sounds really good, not.
Comment by buzzbomb — September 3, 2006 @ 10:05 pm
Sorry, I misread trying to catch up…
Funny! But you know, in a red state, that would probably get you elected ‘Teacher of the Year” :)
Good luck with the Praxis!
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:15 pmAdolf Hitler
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:15 pmApril 12, 1922
Hitler’s beliefs.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:16 pmUncle Togarmah, Skull and Bones, George Bush, Gog, Magog, Esau, Edom, Khazars and Apocalypse or Armageddon.
Comment by Trinary Sockpuppet — September 3, 2006 @ 10:10 pm
Werent those the evil gods almost released in Ghostbusters?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:16 pmSeptember 3rd, 2006 at 10:17 pm
Unbelievable- Thanks, number one doesn’t sound as bad as the second one. I live in the true-blue state of Minnesota, though we do have some housecleaning to do in Nov.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:18 pmIt happened in Star Wars and that’s real!!!!
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:08 pm
Sure Tundra… So is Star Trek.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:19 pmWalk around for one week telling people you are an Atheist and see what it’s like.
Why? I’d prefer to walk around and have people shut the hell up about who they are. I don’t care that someone is gay/catholic/straight/jewish/a mechanic/nun/recovered alcoholic/drug user/ etc. But when they stand up and shout accept me, accept me I get irked. I could care less about any of those things just don’t force me to get involved in your life (Not you specifically of course). Don’t block my way to work because you think your view on abortion is so important I can handle the inconvience. Don’t knock at my door because I should find the lord and you know just how to help me. Don’t call my house because you need to sell magazines and my dinner can get cold because of your paycheck.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:20 pmHere kingo I will give you a visual aid..
http://3rddimension.online.fr/gfx/metatronscblue.GIF
King, look at that image and you should figure out that ‘Cultism’ was only sacred geometry..the magi.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:22 pmThanks, number one doesn’t sound as bad as the second one. I live in the true-blue state of Minnesota, though we do have some housecleaning to do in Nov.
Comment by buzzbomb — September 3, 2006 @ 10:18 pm
I teach at a Charter school so I haven’t taken II. Probably won’t either because Georgia is getting rid of it as a requirement, and there isn’t one for Architecture (unless I take the technology one).
I’m sure you’ll do fine, since one is stuff you don’t use everytday and two is about the subject you obviously like enough to have studied and teach :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:23 pmWORFEUS,
So you ignore Hitler’s anti-Christian comments?
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
No. And I don’t ignore his pro Christian ones either.
Hitler quoted Jesus and the Bible commonly. He even used my old favorite, “eye of the needle” quote, in such a twisted fashion as to demonstrate clearly the mindset of the man.
He thought he was doing Gods work and he ended up doing the Devils.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:24 pm================================
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:27 pmI think Hitler was a faux Christian as is Bush. He pretended to be Christian to gain the trust of the German people making it easier for him to control them.
The Radical Left is the same as the Christian Right wake up, you’re bothe controllled by the same people.
Again, Atheists are not the radical left.
You wake up. You “believe” in things…
No one controlls me. It’s why I’m an Atheist. Don’t you get that?
Why can’t the Left leave religiopus people alone without knocking them.
Because you freaks won’t leave US alone in the first place. It’s called self-defense when we stand up for ourselves. Hello? How are you missing that?
That’s how the Christian Right gains members. You guys feed off each other.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:19 pm
Nope. They gain members when they spit out babies and then culturally indoctrinate them into their cult. It’s what happened to me. I was raised to believe in the same god my parents worshipped. That’s how it works. As Jon Stewart said “People will believe anything if you catch them young enough.” You just keep proving that…
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:27 pmLike so many religious leaders do.
When pastors and Priests are preaching from war from the pulpit, in this country, THATS when I start looking at the religious angle.
The Christians are doing what they have been doing to the Muslims over a thousand years. Killing them.
And it needs to stop.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 pmThe secret and forbidden knowledge. The power of the word, the vis, the frequency of the labrum, knowledge of the equilibrium..Balance, Thoht, El, Ra, Re, Sun! The light! The Pyramid! ITIL!! The enlightenment!!
You have been ‘illuminated’ =0)
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 pmThey gain members when they spit out babies and then culturally indoctrinate them into their cult.
ah so what is the correct thing that everyone must teach their children about the history of the world?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:29 pm(Hint: see Mark 10:25)
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:29 pmDon’t call my house because you need to sell magazines and my dinner can get cold because of your paycheck.
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
That wasn’t my point. My point was that the King is speaking from gross speculation and not any sense of personal experience or reality.
Though, since you brought it up, I’d much rather have someone out there trying to earn a paycheck… Wouldn’t you?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:30 pm================================
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:31 pmReligion is an easy way to control the people so why would he want it to die out.
That’s how the Christian Right gains members. You guys feed off each other.
Your confusing the Christian Right with Rightwing politics and thats a distinction that I don’t follow and that you shouldn’t try to connect. It makes all Christians look bad when you connect them with such a corrupt group of hypocrites.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:32 pmThe Christians are doing what they have been doing to the Muslims over a thousand years. Killing them.
And SOME of these Muslim children are being raised the exact same way. When they are raised to believe that non-muslims should be killed or at the least be slaves (For thousands of years). How do we react to them?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:32 pmThough, since you brought it up, I’d much rather have someone out there trying to earn a paycheck… Wouldn’t you?
Touche’ Point Unbelievable :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:34 pmBecause you freaks won’t leave US alone in the first place. It’s called self-defense when we stand up for ourselves. Hello? How are you missing that?
Wtf? Your paranoid.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:34 pm(Hint: see Matthew 6:24
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:35 pmah so what is the correct thing that everyone must teach their children about the history of the world?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:29 pm
There is no truth – just perceptions.
I think people should be taught a variety of viewpoints in hope of thinking for themselves, and then being tolerant of other’s choices because they were not based on ignorance (as religious ‘faith’ does).
I have people at work talk about their god as if it is fact. It makes me feel uncomfortable because I cannot do anything but listen without being labled as something evil or worse. That is my issue. I should have just as much right to say that I’m an Atheist so that people will stop talking to me about religious nonsense as a religious person has to chatter incessantly about his or her delusions of choice. That’s what this is about – equality. Not better than rights – but equal rights and we Atheists in America do not have it.
When I retire from teaching, I’m going to Michael Newdow and telling him that as a teacher, I’ll stand up with him to get the pledge of allegiance either out of schools or to drop ‘under god’. Until Atheists are free to be Atheists, I consider it a battle…
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:37 pmLet me remind you King it’s you that came to a progressive site and not the progressives whom troll the Christian blogs. I cannot recall seeing any groups of people harassing any of the people at the local church up the street. Just like most Texans they go to church they say prayers then they hop in their SUV and get some beer and chips for Sunday football and get drunk as Noah.
Why would I have a problem with that?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:38 pmHow do we react to them?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:32 pm
Defensively – not offensive (or pre-emptively). The world accepts and supports self-defense, but not aggression. With good reason.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 pmJust like most Texans they go to church they say prayers then they hop in their SUV and get some beer and chips for Sunday football and get drunk as Noah.
Why would I have a problem with that?
Hell I being a follower of the Noahide laws, I encourage them to get drunk and be liberal!
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 pmLook, if you can’t figure out Hitler was a Christian, that’s your problem.
The Catholic church after all has gone to extensive lengths to disassociate that history, so I suppose I can’t blame you for being found wanting.
I suggest you read Mein Kampf. I read it when I was 15. You will see as you read through his condemnation of homosexuality to his paraphrasing Jesus, that he was indeed a Christian and a Catholic, although he opposed many things in the Catholic church. (Most Catholics do).
But you’re boring me now so I must go.
Chow for now.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 pm“Antiquity was better than modern times, because it didn’t know Christianity and syphilis.â€
Adolp Hitler – 1934
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:33 pm
We’re giving you context and links to references. You could just be posting random stuff for all we know…
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:41 pmIn fact Im thinking about serving pot seed gruel, you know us Christians would have staved to death a long time ago without it!
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:42 pmNot to mention using that hemp rope to sail to America!
I think people should be taught a variety of viewpoints in hope of thinking for themselves, and then being tolerant of other’s choices because they were not based on ignorance (as religious ‘faith’ does).
Is another viewpoint allowed to be a belief in a higher being?
Now what should we do with countries that have populations that are intolerant of Non-Believers, Christians etc and would like nothing more than to have American completely gone from the map?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:42 pmTouche’ Point Unbelievable :)
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
I was over due. It’s usually you who makes the kill :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:43 pmYay, King, you should come to Texas and we’ll get drunk, after church that is..
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:43 pmYeh I see you later King, maybe tomm.. later!!
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:45 pmWtf? Your paranoid.
Comment by Trinary Sockpuppet — September 3, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
Says another religious nut who doesn’t know what he/she is talking about because you’ve only ever been in the majority.
Reality is that a supervisor tried to get me fired because I was an Atheist. In California. In 2005. Wake up. It’s real.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:45 pmDefensively – not offensive (or pre-emptively). The world accepts and supports self-defense, but not aggression. With good reason.
Then why do we arrest Drunk Drivers? Have gun control laws? Have laws against Crack/Cocain/Heroine? They have not hurt anyone yet?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:45 pmYour a fantical Atheist that doesn’t respect others views, so don’t expect respect in return.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:38 pm
Wrong. There is no such a thing as a fanatical atheist. Shut up.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:46 pm=============================
-If someone tries to force their religion down my throat the natural reaction is to attack.
-I don’t care if your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, agnostic or atheist, just keep it to yourself.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 pmI was over due. It’s usually you who makes the kill :)
I’m out of practice :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 pmAnd as for Christians killing Muslims first?
You need to get your head out of your ass. We know the Muslims invading the Byzantine empire which brought on the First Crusade, but the Christians never ended the war. The Christians continued to go back, year after year, and kill Muslims. Kill em or convert em. That was the official motto from the holy mother church and they did it with a vengance.
No sir. The “he punched me first” routine ain’t gonna fly.
You need to get off Wiki and read a little. Then come see me again.
Chow.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 pmThen why do we arrest Drunk Drivers? Have gun control laws? Have laws against Crack/Cocain/Heroine? They have not hurt anyone yet?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:45 pm
So the Police Departments keep on recieving money and white rich people owning legal drug companies can still make huge profits. Just saying.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:49 pmwhat were we talking about?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:50 pmSo the Police Departments keep on recieving money and white rich people owning legal drug companies can still make huge profits. Just saying.
Ahh Juan after my own heart :)
how’s it going?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:50 pm[...] We were beat to the punch by Chris Wallace. He asked a slightly different question, but it is nonetheless a very humbling day for us here at Minvolved…falling behind the Fox News curve and whatnot. [...]
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:51 pmhow’s it going?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:50 pm
Fine, buddy. How are you? Hows Squeegie?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:52 pmIt’s Leftists like you that create the Christian Right.
No. It’s the reverse. For every action (forced Christianity) there is an equal and opposite reaction (Atheists standing up to them and refusing to be converted).
Welcome to reality. I’m sure you’ll continue to reject it for aliens and the sort…
By attacking religion you make them fanatical.
No, I am defending my right to reject their/your religion. It is my right.
By rejecting tehir religion, I make them nothing. Only you can control you. Therefore, chosing to be a fanatic has nothing to do with anything I’ve done as the MINORITY.
It’s when the majority oppresses that the minority becomes reactionary – and that is all I am.
Your a fantical Atheist that doesn’t respect others views, so don’t expect respect in return.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:38 pm
No. Again, you have it backwards. Because I’m not given respect in teh first place by the majority, as the minority, my only course of action is either tolerating being oppressed or revolting against the oppression. Just like the founding fathers revolted against the British oppression.
Still clueless aren’t you?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:53 pm====================================
Then why do we arrest Drunk Drivers? Because drunk drivers reflexes and reaction time are impaired and they could kill someone.
Have gun controls? The gun control laws really don’t matter because you can still get a gun legally and kill someone.
Have laws against Crack/Cocain/Heroine? I don’t think we should have laws against personal drug use.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:55 pmIt’s a war you’ll lose.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 10:39 pm
Don’t bet on that. I’m far smarter than you’re even capable of comprehending. Obviously.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:55 pmSo let me get this straight King Gohnera.
You are now quoting Adolf Hitler from the book, “Table Talk”, and quoting him TALKING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST, to prove Hitler wasn’t a Christian?
:|
Amazing.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:56 pmWhere can I buy a gun?
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:56 pmHe wasn’t a real Christian but used the term to trick Germans.
Comment by King Gonorrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 10:54 pm
Once again you rest my case.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:58 pmWe can find anything we want on Hitler. He wasn’t a real Christian but used the term to trick Germans.
But in the end, as any fanatical (Christians, Muslims, Jewish, etc.) he would do the most hideous things in the name of his GOD. We, atheists, wont. At least we take responsibility for our actions and not blame some bearded guy living in space.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:58 pmWhere can I buy a gun?
Comment by Nguyen — September 3, 2006 @ 10:56 pm
LMAO
:P
Now THATS funny!
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:59 pmThen why do we arrest Drunk Drivers? Because drunk drivers reflexes and reaction time are impaired and they could kill someone.
But what about a fanatic who wishes nothing more than to be a martyr by killing people of a different faith. Aren’t they equally dangerous? Should they be stopped before committing that deed?
Have gun controls? The gun control laws really don’t matter because you can still get a gun legally and kill someone.
But I can’t walk around carrying one in the open. That is a control that stops me before I can cause harm (Allegedly).
Have laws against Crack/Cocain/Heroine? I don’t think we should have laws against personal drug use.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:59 pmAgreed
There are some people out there that want to appease terrorists…they’re called republicans!
Some similarities between terrorists and conservative republicans:
- They both are against women’s equality and feel that women are meant to be in the kitchen while the man has a career.
- They both want religion to be integrated into government and want to put prayer in public schools.
- They both believe in an oil-based economy where government and big oil are one and the same. Both have ties to big oil.
- They both hate homosexuals.
- The both believe in war and violence as a solution to society’s problems.
- They both hate the UN
- The both believe in censorship in music and the arts.
- They both hate Jews.
- They both see innocent civilians as “collateral damageâ€.
- They both support/use torture.
- They both falsey believe they are doing what God wants.
- They both go out of their way to intimidate voters during those rare moments of an actual election.
- The republican’s anti-environmental policy is on track to make the whole world a hot desert planet similar to the middle east where the terrorists are.
- They both claim to hate liberal ideology.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:00 pmIs another viewpoint allowed to be a belief in a higher being?
Allowed? Why, you gonna make everyone sign a contract? :)
Now what should we do with countries that have populations that are intolerant of Non-Believers, Christians etc and would like nothing more than to have American completely gone from the map?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:42 pm
The main way to change a culture is to teach a new generation something else. It’s why there are generational gaps. Seriously. You have to catch them young. You really can’t teach old dogs new tricks in this regard… Not without serious energy.
The problem is that we have too many people here and not enough natural resources. Violence is nature’s way of thinning the species. Just notice how toxic the life in the ocean is… Like it or not.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:00 pmtundra-
Should they be stopped before committing that deed?
perhaps, as long as this applies as much to the terrorist as it does to the anti-abortion doctor killer.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:02 pmking g-
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:05 pmyou say “the gloves are off” — and then you respond with insults unworthy of a fifth grader?
The main way to change a culture is to teach a new generation something else.
How do we do this? Suppose you have a Muslim country that believes that women have to be covered, non-muslims have to be killed, if a woman is raped she has sinned against her husband, girls are not allowed to be educated etc. How do you change them to be more tolerant? Is it our right to even try? Furthermore, if we decide to not do anything is that right either?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:05 pmThen why do we arrest Drunk Drivers? Have gun control laws? Have laws against Crack/Cocain/Heroine? They have not hurt anyone yet?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 10:45 pm
Aren’t you smarter than building strawmen? This is not what I said. Besides, it is being defensive to get drunk drivers off the road. Not like you’re killing them. Just getting them out of their cars. Not the same. Applies to each of your examples.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:06 pmstalin was an atheist. therefore all atheists are the same as stalin.
just a hint, king g, stalin was a human. therefore you equate to stalin.
you MURDERER!
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:07 pm==================================
If any of the laws led to death of people I would disagree with all of them.
There is no way you can have a pre-emptive foreign policy. Just look at Iraq. The president manipulated intelligence to invade the country. Any president can go through the raw intelligence retrieved by any government agency, cherry-pick it and make a case for going to war with any country on Earth.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:09 pmIs it our right to even try?
if it’s our “right” to invade a country in order to attempt to enforce democracy on their society…
maybe you know where i’m going with this.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:09 pmyou don’t even know what agnostic means, then.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:11 pmBut calling me Gohnera,Now the glove comes off Doofeus.
Comment by King Gonorrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 11:01 pm
One would’ve thought that my calling you King Diarrhea would have done that much earlier in the conversation.
:|
Oh well.
So now what happens?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:12 pmHow do we do this?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 11:05 pm
We? We don’t. It’s not our place.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:12 pmperhaps, as long as this applies as much to the terrorist as it does to the anti-abortion doctor killer.
I fully agree that both are fanatical religous yahoos who use fear to drive their way of thinking down anothers throat. They are both killers.
My point is if we allow preemptive strikes on drunk driving U.S citizens, where does it stop? We can’t say it’s ok to attack joe down the street for driving because he might hurt someone and then say we can’t attack (insert name of terrorist here) who may hurt someone. Same as we can’t arrest someone for potentially being an abortion bomber.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:13 pmever read anything about edgar cayce? a lot of what he said follows your general theme…
and you weren’t exactly proving your point about hitler. whether hitler was a real christian or not, there’s no doubt he manipulated people with christianity.
any student of machiavellianism (such as karl rove) knows that’s what you do — distract people with religion.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:14 pmStalin was an Atheist he killed Millions. So don’t give me that Atheist are holier than thou crap!
Comment by King Ghidorah
Stalin was a georgian train-assaultant who knew nothing about communism. He was a murderous thug. I bet he didnt know what atheist mean.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:18 pmI belive we are a creation of more advanced beings from the starts!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 11:10 pm
Based on what facts and evidence? Speculation and emotions don’t count.
You have none. Humans evolved, just like everything else in the universe. It was obvious to me in fifth grade despite my father calling in Evil-ution. Baffles me that grown adults refuse to get it.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:18 pmwell, tundra, i would assume joe down the street is an american, and thus would have to follow american laws within the jurisdiction of america.
i don’t think it’s fair to compare domestic law enforcement with foreign policy.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:19 pmThe similairities between the American Left and Stalin.
Both want to eliminate their enemies!
Comment by King Ghidorah
King Ghonoreah,
The American left is similar to Stalin because we want to illiminate our enemies? How exactly does the American left want to elimenate our enemies? The left advocates peace and tolerance. Are we going to “flower power” our enemies to death? Last I checked, it was the reich-wing that’s currently launching a war. Let’s see how…
Every one of the following Geneva Convention rules have been broken by Bush
Bush’s war on the Geneva Convention:
- Article 13: Humane treatment required; No reprisals allowed
- Article 14: Respect for persons and honour; No gender discrimination
- Article 16: No discrimination based on race, nationality, religious belief or political opinions
- Article 17: No physical or mental torture; No coercion to obtain information; Prisoners who decline to provide information may not be threatened, insulted or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment
- Article 18: Clothing, articles of personal use, to remain with prisoners
- Article 20: Evacuation or transfer to be under same conditions as afforded Detaining Power
- Article 21: Internment in camp allowed; Close confinement prohibited
- Article 22: Internment in penitentiaries prohibited; Every guarantee of hygiene and healthfulness required
- Article 25: Condition of quarters must be as favorable for POWs as for the forces of the Detaining Power; Accommodations for habits and customs of POWs required; Protection from dampness, adequate heat and lighting required
- Article 26: Food must be in sufficient quantity, quality and variety to maintain good health and weight
- Article 27: Adequate clothing, underwear and footwear required
- Article 28: Canteens must be installed; Fairly priced food, soap, tobacco and ordinary items must be stocked
- Articles 29 – 32: Proper hygiene and medical attention, including monthly health inspections, required
- Articles 34 – 37: Prisoners must be afforded complete latitude in the exercise of religion, including attendance at services, on condition they comply with disciplinary routine
- Article 38: Provisions for physical, intellectual and recreational activities
- Article 70: Prisoners must be allowed to write to family, others.
So The left is like Stalin for wantinfg to illimante our enemies?……hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if you spent more time keeping track of current events and less time
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:19 pmsucking Bush’s dick, you’d realize that its the reich-wing that is out to illiminate their enemies while the left is out to promote peace and tolerance.
until we reconnect with our Galactic brethren.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 11:11 pm
Now you are going to speak Klingon?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:20 pmin case you haven’t noticed, king g, we’re having significant difficulties connecting with our human brethren.
you especially.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:22 pmYou know,
I considered Atheism….
But there weren’t enough holidays.
;)
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:22 pmBesides, it is being defensive to get drunk drivers off the road. Not like you’re killing them. Just getting them out of their cars.
If we just removed them from their cars that would be one thing, but we are punishing them as well.
There is no way you can have a pre-emptive foreign policy.
Right, but we can’t have a preemptive home policy against our own citizens that is widly supported either.
if it’s our “right†to invade a country in order to attempt to enforce democracy on their society…
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:23 pmAh we are arguing the same sides of the coin. I don’t agree that we should go into another country and push our system, regardless if it’s Iraq/Afganastan/darfur/etc. But i also don’t believe we can do it to our citizens either. I think that someone has to “hurt” someone before being punished.
Now you are going to speak Klingon?
Comment by Juan C — September 3, 2006 @ 11:20 pm
That’s all he’s been speaking since he showed up…
I mean his name does represent a fictional character that fought Godzilla…
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:23 pmoh yes… 500! too bad half of the thread is this banal intergalactic christians vs. stalin’s atheistic legions nonsense.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:24 pmNow you are going to speak Klingon?
Whooooo, I’m in!!!
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:25 pmI think that someone has to “hurt†someone before being punished.
so would you repeal seatbelt laws?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:28 pmI considered Atheism….
But there weren’t enough holidays.
;)
Comment by trueblue — September 3, 2006 @ 11:22 pm
Best post ever! LMAO
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:28 pmi don’t think it’s fair to compare domestic law enforcement with foreign policy.
Here is where we differ. I think Americans have specific rights and should be treated better than anyone else (Not to be confused with ever attacking anyone else) by the government.
By being more harsh on your citizens than foreign powers sends a very bad message and doesn’t show that ours is a better way.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:28 pmIf we just removed them from their cars that would be one thing, but we are punishing them as well.
Uh, so they don’t do it again and hurt someone. And still not attacking… It is defensive. Just like you’d shoot down a bomb that was launched in your direction.
I think that someone has to “hurt†someone before being punished.
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 11:23 pm
So you’d let drunk drivers go after they sobered up?
Don’t answer me. I need to go to bed. It’s way, way, way past my bed time, and I’m sure the cats will wake me at 6:00 as usual…
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:28 pmso would you repeal seatbelt laws?
yes I would, I would also repel helmet laws for motorcycles. While I will always wear a seatbelt and anyone that rides with me will as well (or they can find another mode of transit), I don’t think it needs to be a law (Survival of the fittest, darwinism at it’s finest). Same for a motorcycle.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:31 pmGood evening, Juan!
Can’t take credit for that, heard it somewhere and knew I’d be able to use it at some point.
Crazy thread, tonight.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:31 pmGood night all!
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:31 pmyes I would, I would also repel helmet laws for motorcycles
Comment by Tundra
Hey Tundra,
Would you repel parachute laws for sky divers too?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:32 pmWould you repel parachute laws for sky divers too?
Hey if you want to jump out of an Airplane without a chute, go for it. I trust that you know what you are doing, if not population control against another person that doesn’t believe in gravity (No breeding from them = smarter kids overall)
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 pmRight, but we can’t have a preemptive home policy against our own citizens that is widly supported either.
=======
-If the enactment of these laws lead to the death instead of preventing it of the person who is voilating the law, I would be against it.
-I consider diplomacy a pre-emptive strike that doesn’t kill anyone so in a way we have a pre-emptive policy at home and abroad.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:35 pmI consider diplomacy a pre-emptive strike that doesn’t kill anyone
I consider Diplomacy a way to say “Nice Doggie until you can find a rock”
:)
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:36 pmso basically you’re saying you’re a libertarian?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:37 pmCrazy thread, tonight.
Comment by trueblue
Yeah, just got in. Funny stuff.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:37 pmI will write about mexican politics, but I have to read some magazine and watch the news although almost every channel is with Calderon. If you can read spanish, check out proceso.com.mx The most objective political magazine here.
Sen Dole is a bona fide smear artist.
You can easily recognize slanderers: They always a sentence with “some people say”, and then follow it with some outlandish statement about their political opponents. When pressed, they use the cop out “I think that’s what they are trying to say” as if they were really interested in honestly depicting their opponents’ position.
Making repeated use of a strawman argument is willful misrepresentation. It’s also dishonest, and unethical. It is very telling this should be the kind of people Mr. Hendler et al defend tooth and nail.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:37 pmso basically you’re saying you’re a libertarian?
Pretty much :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:39 pmand hostile to alternative views!
Your alternative view is already killing thousand of innocent people. Whos the hostile, moron?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:39 pmI consider Diplomacy a way to say “Nice Doggie until you can find a rockâ€
i disagree.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:40 pmgoodness knows we already have a rock. we have a whole stack of rocks. diplomacy is a way to say, ‘we have a rock, don’t make us use it’
Who cares what she answered, Fox News ASKED the question in the first place! We should all be emailing FOX right now thanking them for being so open to asking questions that SUPPORT THE MOJORITY OPINION OF THE US CITIZENRY. No one is beyond change, when Fox’s rating tank to the point of losing money (years away surely) they’ll start replacing the bill oreilly’s and shawn hannity’s with intelligent and objective reporters, and it’s up to us to keep hammering. Not easy, nor quick, but it’s a business and when confronted with the alternative Fox News will realize that a blanket newcase for the Republican’s is not profitable nor honest, but an objective/un-biased approach towards news is.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmWe were created by the Annnunaki/Elohim hundreds of Thousand years ago.
Of course this is too much for 7 day creations and Bacterial beginnings Atheists to comprehend with their sinpleton brains!
Comment by King Gonorrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 11:35 pm
Are you sure you’re not Tom Cruise?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmThere would be a lot more Darwin Awards if you were running things, Tundra!
Gregor,
I think these particular trolls aren’t going to understand the very sensible and intelligent point you are trying to make.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmThey’re a little “out-there”.
goodness knows we already have a rock. we have a whole stack of rocks. diplomacy is a way to say, ‘we have a rock, don’t make us use it’
But some dogs will continue to approach and growl. Some may even nip your kneecaps.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmso basically you’re saying you’re a libertarian?
Pretty much :)
Comment by Tundra
Did I tell you that I liked you, man? :)
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmEdgar Cayce is about as believable as Erich von Däniken. Both are big icons in the pseudo-science community.
Neither passes the smell test.
Lend any credibility to either and lose yours.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmwell, as a former libertarian i mostly agree, i kind of lost the faith, though.
too many libertarian meetings dominated by frustrated republicans (who didn’t really want to be libertarians — they just wanted to turn the lp into what they wished the republican party would be).
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:43 pmthe left is just like Stalin, anyone with a dissenting view must be silenced and ridicule
Comment by King Ghidorah
How is theleft silencing the reich-wing when there is:
- a republican senate
- a republican white house
- a conservative supreme court
- fox (faux) news
- a right wing media ( for example. check out douchebags like Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough, and Pat Buchanan on MSNBC)
So how is the right wing silenced? Seems like every time I turn on the tv or read the paper, I always see Ann Coulter or Robert Novak taking a shit on the flag. How does the left repress the right? Is this because we took away your slaves 150 years ago? Are you mad because it’s no longer PC to beat your wife? Are you mad that there are no longer white-only restaurants? Are you pissed at the left for trying to preserve the environment that you need to live?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:44 pmThere would be a lot more Darwin Awards if you were running things, Tundra!
True, But then evolution would start to be accepted more!
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:44 pmThey’re a little “out-thereâ€.
Comment by trueblue — September 3, 2006 @ 11:42 pm
I got here late, and read the comment on Edgar Cayce after I posted mine.
I agree with you. Wholeheartedly.
::sigh::
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:44 pmtoo many libertarian meetings dominated by frustrated republicans (who didn’t really want to be libertarians — they just wanted to turn the lp into what they wished the republican party would be).
Agreed fully! Pretty sad to see, wish they would go back to their own party and fix that instead of coming to mine and screwing it up.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:46 pmKing Ghidorah,
OK. Why don’t you start working on that now?
Why waste time on this thread?
Get on your keyboard and phone home, OK?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:47 pmdiplomacy is a way to say, ‘we have a rock, don’t make us use it’
Comment by progressaurus rex
Beg to differ, buddy. Diplomacy must be a way to say: I have a rock but I realized that doesnt do any good to have one. Can we talk this thing out?
Are you sure you’re not Tom Cruise?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:47 pmComment by WORFEUS
He is eating placenta-flakes, right now.
We need to rediscover our true origin and strive to contact our Galactic brothers!
Comment by Buck Rogers — September 3, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
I think he’s pullin our leg.
You’re pullin our leg right?
I mean, I’m all for SETI, but you’re not, er…talking to them now, are you? I mean, they didn’t leave a signal booster in your basement last time they were here or anything right?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:49 pmWe need to rediscover our true origin and strive to contact our Galactic brothers!
Comment by King Ghidorah
Arent you the first Thundercat?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:49 pmso basically you’re saying you’re a libertarian?
Pretty much :)
Comment by Tundra
There is only one third party worth being a part of and that’s the Green party!
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:49 pmWe need to rediscover our true origin and strive to contact our Galactic brothers!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
King Ghidorah is the last remaining living member of Heaven’s Gate.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:50 pm========================
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:51 pmI agree but Iraq doesn’t fall into that category.
Gregor,
What? Haley’s comet spat him back?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:52 pm;)
There is only one third party worth being a part of and that’s the Green party!
I was for awhile but they wanted to drop the military to like 10% or something strange so I had to go.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:53 pmWe need to rediscover our true origin and strive to contact our Galactic brothers!
Comment by King Ghidorah
Or one of the old fellas in Cocoon?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:53 pmI agree but Iraq doesn’t fall into that category.
I concur
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:55 pmthe irony is was the Democrats that had slaves and lincoln, the Republican who freed them!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 11:52 pm
Lincoln was a liberal.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:56 pmbut they wanted to drop the military to like 10% or something strange so I had to go.
Comment by Tundra
Hey, why is to not have armed forces a bad thing?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:57 pmProgresivesaurus Rex,
I was looking for a quote to reference but it will take me a moment. I shall paraphrase though for questions sake.
Islamic Cleric: “God Willing we will destroy all of America”
Journalist: “What do you mean?”
Islamic Cleric: “All America, all people, all women, all journalists, till there is nothing left”
How do you use diplomacy against that?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:58 pmking Ghonoreah,
The democrats were the conservative party 150 years ago. The party roles have switched since then. Lincoln was the last good republican. The entire racist south is republican now. Bush has a 4% approval rating amoung black people since Katrina and he only got 9% of their vote in 2004. I think we all know who the party of slavery is in modern times and that’s the republican party.
Tundra,
We spend $401 Billion dollars a year on our military (not including the extra money for the current war). We have over 5,000 nuclear war heads, each with the power to level a metropolis. We can blow the world up several times over. How much money should we be investing in our military if we already have the capability to destroy the human race?
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:59 pmRead about the ancient Sumerians and the stories of the Annunaki.
Comment by King Ghidorah
Really, you sound like Egon Spengler in Ghostbusters. You must be a blast in all parties.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:00 amHey, why is to not have armed forces a bad thing?
It’s that rock we were talking about :)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:01 amOK, I’m outta here.
I just got home from seeing Kathy Griffin, and these two are ruining my laughing-induced endorphin high.
I wonder if Late Night FDL is up yet…..?
September 4th, 2006 at 12:01 amI can’t believe the King hasn’t left the building. Talk about not being able to be wrong…
September 4th, 2006 at 12:02 amWORFEUS,
the true Origins of Humanity have been covered up by the Archealogical establishement. whethere it be the Radical left that wants to prove evolution or the Christian Right that wants to belive in the 7 days of creation.
Comment by King Von Daniken — September 3, 2006 @ 11:56 pm
Outstanding dude.
Thats great stuff but I have to go now. I have to get to my weekly L.A.S.S.I.E, (Leftist Archealogical Secret Society Inhibiting Evidence) meeting.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:02 amIt’s that rock we were talking about :)
Comment by Tundra
Yeah. It just useful for hurting. It doesnt guarantee you it wont be used against you. Imagine, we, the ultimate being on Earth, relying on rocks. Really evolved, right?
September 4th, 2006 at 12:06 amWe spend $401 Billion dollars a year on our military (not including the extra money for the current war). We have over 5,000 nuclear war heads, each with the power to level a metropolis. We can blow the world up several times over. How much money should we be investing in our military if we already have the capability to destroy the human race?
Fine get rid of all the nukes. A weapon like that cannot be used on defense. A strong military is a deterrent to action against the U.S (Please note I am not advocating having troops overseas)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:06 amOK, I’m outta here.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:06 amComment by trueblue
Be well, true. :)
What lies behind the belief in the Annunaki (and other similar creative interpretations of history) is the absolute refusal to accept that ancient, non-European peoples were capable of creating civilizations.
The same idea, and sentiment are echoed in “The Chariots of the Gods”.
Anyone who can entertain such preposterousness even for a minute -in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary- can safely be set aside and labeled a “kook”. Listening to them is like paying attention to a patient in an asylum.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:08 amLater true
September 4th, 2006 at 12:08 amListening to them is like paying attention to a patient in an asylum.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Or believing that Lovecraft wrote anecdotes.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:09 amZoo!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:10 amHello, shifty. (Is that a bad remark? I heard it on The Full Monty)
Anyone who can entertain such preposterousness even for a minute
Hey! I entertain many kooky theories, it’s better than primetime TV. Granted it’s usually not for much more than a minute.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:12 amHello, shifty. (Is that a bad remark? I heard it on The Full Monty)
Comment by Juan C
No idea if it’s a bad remark, but I’m not taking it that way! Loved that movie, although it was false advertising…
September 4th, 2006 at 12:12 amHello, shifty. (Is that a bad remark?
No, but fitting hehehe
September 4th, 2006 at 12:13 amTundra,
Our military spends 10 times more money than the second largest military on Earth. Even if you over look the thousands and thousands of nuclear bombs we have, our military is magnitudes larger than even the second and third and fourth largest militaries. For what? Terrorists still attacked us on 9/11 despite our military spendings. Insergeants are still rampant and anti-American hatred is worse than ever. Will another F-16 or bomber fix that? Will another billion dollars on war planes prevent stop some psycho from putting a bomb in his shoe before getting on a civilian aircraft? Military spending has absoluteley nothing to do with defence! The only reason we invest so much money in it is because we have a military-based economy. I’m an engineer and I can tell you first hand how many people have jobs working for coorporations like Lockheed Martin and ATK. Anyone who believes that military spending increases our safety is a naive douchebag. We invest money in military for one reason alone: the economy!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:13 amIslamic Cleric: “God Willing we will destroy all of Americaâ€
Journalist: “What do you mean?â€
Islamic Cleric: “All America, all people, all women, all journalists, till there is nothing leftâ€
How do you use diplomacy against that?
well, it would help to actually start looking in the right place — like say, saudi arabia.
then it would help to realize that there are extremists on all sides of the issue… last i checked, there are plenty of americans who have the same attitude toward muslims. i give you ann coulter (because i don’t want her)!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:14 amNo, but fitting hehehe
Comment by Tundra
Well, smart guy, what does it mean? ;)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:15 amTundra,
I will cut a little slack.
I think I can squeeze you in the 2min group ;-)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:15 amLoved that movie, although it was false advertising…
September 4th, 2006 at 12:17 amComment by Zooey
One of the best movies Ive ever saw. False advertising? he he he.
Shifty:
Having, displaying, or suggestive of deceitful character; evasive or untrustworthy.
Distinguished by frequent changes in direction: shifty winds.
Able to accomplish what is needed; resourceful.
Pick one :)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:17 amWe invest money in military for one reason alone: the economy!
Comment by neopro
Believe me, neopro. Im on my feet, clapping your words.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:19 amJuan,
When that movie came out, I was living in a little hick town, population 3000. My boys and I went to rent it, but couldn’t find it. We asked the clerk if they had The Full Monty, and she said yes, but it was in the porno section. Can you believe that! My eldest, who was about 15 at the time, said, “Can we get it anyway?” And I said yes, but I’ll get it. There’s some nasty stuff in the porno section, let me tell you! The clerk about fainted dead away…
September 4th, 2006 at 12:20 amAble to accomplish what is needed; resourceful.
I meant those, Zoo. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:20 amTundra,
I pick this one:
Able to accomplish what is needed; resourceful.
And so does everyone else!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:21 amThank you, Juan. You’re a sweetie. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:23 amCan you believe that! My eldest, who was about 15 at the time, said, “Can we get it anyway?â€
Comment by Zooey
I like your son. Wow, that town still believed in witches, right?
There’s some nasty stuff in the porno section, let me tell you!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:24 amI know…somebody told me. :P
Our military spends 10 times more money than the second largest military on Earth
China 65 Billion
September 4th, 2006 at 12:24 amU.S 466 Billion
Exchange rate 8.17270
China value in U.S Dollar: 531 Billion
wrong, tundra
that $65 billion is already in u.s. dollars
September 4th, 2006 at 12:25 amI like your son. Wow, that town still believed in witches, right?
You’d like both of them, Juan. Thanks. I’m not sure about the witches, but I’m pretty sure people whispered when I passed. Leave them guessing!
There’s some nasty stuff in the porno section, let me tell you!
I know…somebody told me. :P
Comment by Juan C
I wasn’t sure if I should mention it, I know how shy you are. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:27 amsee these links:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/budget.htm
September 4th, 2006 at 12:27 amhttp://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-02/10/content_519098.htm
that $65 billion is already in u.s. dollars
Right, I realize that. But what does one U.S dollar get you in China vs what it gets you in the U.S?
September 4th, 2006 at 12:28 amI’m sure our engineer here is making 8 times what one in China is making.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:29 amalso, tundra, what say you to my comments in 571?
September 4th, 2006 at 12:30 amAlso lets vs our Soldier/Vet benefits vs what other countries pay.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:30 amwell, you may be right there, but quality does enter into it as well.
let’s hope they give away no-bid contracts, just like the ones that rip off american taxpayers and short-change our soldiers. that way the commies are getting just as much of a raw deal as we are! i’d hate to think the commies were getting more bang for their buck.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:32 amI know how shy you are. :)
Comment by Zooey
So true is giving you private information??????
September 4th, 2006 at 12:33 am:)
Didn’t even see em,
well, it would help to actually start looking in the right place — like say, saudi arabia.
So our action there should be, I agree they are as dangerous as any of the rest of them?
then it would help to realize that there are extremists on all sides of the issue…
Sad but true
last i checked, there are plenty of americans who have the same attitude toward muslims. But we can’t take away their right to feel that way just like we can’t take it away from the other countries.
i give you ann coulter (because i don’t want her)!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:34 amSorry no deal, you can’t pawn her off on me. The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
Well, factor in the war and its still more than China’s spending on their military. But the point is the same, how much military spending is really needed? Did that money stop 9/11? Will that money stop terrorists that put bombs on rats and send them into populated areas? Military spending has nothing to do with defence. Its an economic tool.
You can kill a racist but you can’t kill racism. You can kill a terrorist but you can’t kill terrorism. Want to make America a safer place? Figure out the underlying problems that cause terrorism (poverty, puppet governments, unfair trade) and stop terrorism that way. Or buy another bomber while American children struggle to buy books for school and medicine. If you want to waste money on weapons that can’t do anything than go ahead….but expect liberals like me to fight such wasteful military spending every step of the way.
Go Green Party!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:34 amKing Ghidorah,
You really should eat something and take your meds.
And remove another of your heads from your ass, the vapor-lock continues to be a problem.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:34 amComment by King Ghidorah
September 4th, 2006 at 12:34 amYeah, I wish that too. And a house in front of the beach.
So true is giving you private information??????
:)
Comment by Juan C
Never! Although I do beg and beg her…
September 4th, 2006 at 12:35 amDid that money stop 9/11?
Comment by neopro
Endorse it, buddy. Endorse it.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:36 amKing Ghidorah,
I will not engage in a lengthy back-and-forth with you, as your claims are utterly ridiculous.
Suffice it to say that no physical evidence has been found to support the idea of extraterrestrials having contact with Earth’s ancient civilizations, and that the stories found in the Ramayana, etc., are no different in theological, allegorical terms, from the stories found in the Old Testament.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:36 ambut quality does enter into it as well.
I’m a firm believer Americans do it better.
let’s hope they give away no-bid contracts, just like the ones that rip off american taxpayers and short-change our soldiers.
Yup just like every program the government gets it’s hands on.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:37 amAlthough I do beg and beg her…
September 4th, 2006 at 12:38 amComment by Zooey
You can take the short way. Ask me. ;)
I’m a firm believer Americans do it better.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:41 amComment by Tundra
And thats based on…what?
tundra,
on saudi arabia: this is, in fact, where we have used absolutely zero diplomacy — and a place where diplomacy would do a hell of a lot of good. as long as wahabbism is being spread by saudis and we, through our silence, condone it, we are allowing the extremist views to spread.
that clearly is a failure of the current administration (and the old fact – 15 of 19 hijackers…)
on extremists: well the point is, just as there are freaks like ann coulter here, there are reasonable people as well. and guess what – ann coulter gets press because she says outrageous things. i wonder why that islamic cleric got press? journalists like to repeat the juicy crazy talk. it sells more papers.
but it doesn’t mean that there aren’t reasonable people in the middle east. and it doesn’t mean we should tar all muslims with the words of one extremist.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:42 amFigure out the underlying problems that cause terrorism (poverty, puppet governments, unfair trade) and stop terrorism that way.
I don’t advocate getting involved in anyone elses pot. If they are in poverty etc, I don’t think it’s our place. Puppet governments, same thing that’s their problem. Unfair trade, I hope you are talking about coming this way?
Or buy another bomber while American children struggle to buy books for school and medicine.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:43 amWith the amount of wasted education dollars/medical funding etc? So instead of cleaning up that side of the house you want to take money from somewhere else? If they spent the allocated amount properly they wouldn’t need money from a different bucket.
With all of the bad educational choices/backyard friend local politics etc, poor choices in purchasing etc, crying for more doesn’t win any sympathy.
And thats based on…what?
Personal pride!
September 4th, 2006 at 12:44 amon saudi arabia: this is, in fact, where we have used absolutely zero diplomacy
I think the port deal was a decent step that way. While I was against it at first, I started to see some of the benefits (about the best thing that came out of the administration in my opinion and it failed)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:47 amI’m a firm believer Americans do it better
i believe that was my point – the chinese may be paying less for engineers, or materials, or whatever, but they’re getting a shoddier product overall.
therefore they would actually have to be paying far more than we to actually match the quality of our military product.
theoretically.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:47 amPersonal pride!
Comment by Tundra
Oh! Sorry! :)
September 4th, 2006 at 12:50 am(But, anyway, thats not a factual answer)
Puppet governments, same thing that’s their problem.
like the puppet government we set up in iran in 1954?
like the puppet government we set up in guatemala in 1954?
like the puppet government we helped set up in chile in 1973?
what about the fundamentalist islamic extremists we gave money and support to in afghanistan in the 80s?
or the $132 million in aid we gave to the taliban in 2001, despite knowing they were harboring bin laden?
the horse has already bolted, tundra — our own government has created much of this turmoil, and now we are experiencing the backlash.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:51 amOk, Juan I’ll bite :)
America has been around for a little over 250 years. If you look at the inventions that have changed the world. The products that have shaped the planet they were created by Americans. Now I’m not saying that the American people are better so much as the American way of free thinking, the possibility of creating something and being part of the ruling class is there. That in itself is a huge motivator which allows so much more to be accomplished.
Theory yes.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:53 amTundra,
Get a clue, it’s because America gets involved in “everyone else’s pot” that there are terrorists who hate us. Bin Laden hates us because we have military bases set up in Saudi Arabia to protect our oil pipelines. We set up puppet governments in foreign countries (as we are currently trying to do in Iraq) so that we can have better trade with them (why do you think we started the cold war?). We are hated because we go into other countries, overthrow their government, set up a puppet government with an evil dictator who will trade with us while abusing his people, set up factories and force their children to work for ten cents an hour in sub-human conditions so that you can buy a t-shirt at wal-mart for $5. That’s why they hate us….because America insists on getting involved in their “pot”.
As for domestic spending, if you don’t like the way our government is funding our education and medicair program then change the politicians in office, not the cash flow.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:53 amI think the port deal was a decent step that way.
well, if taking 5 years to finally take one “decent step that way” is acceptable to you…
personally, i think there was a clear reason and opportunity to confront saudi arabia in 2001, and it still hasn’t been done.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:02 amI fully understand where it all came from. I “get” why we are hated. I can’t do anything about the past. Except learn from it. Sure I can say my forefathers screwed up. But that won’t change it. I’m not going to feel guilty and say penance like I’m in church.
Get a clue,
All you do is talk about the history of what happened. Never about the future and how to fix it. Sure I agree it’s FUBAR right now. But we can blame anyone you want if it will get you to “Progress” forward and think of a solution as opposed to the cause.
As for domestic spending, if you don’t like the way our government is funding our education and medicair program then change the politicians in office, not the cash flow.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:03 amUmmm Your the one that wants to change the cash flow. I never said move a dime from one place to another. You are the one that said take from here and put it there.
well, if taking 5 years to finally take one “decent step that way†is acceptable to you…
September 4th, 2006 at 1:04 amI never said taking 5 years was acceptable. I said that it was the only thing I saw that had merit as being a “diplomatic” approach to them. It would have offered more money to their economy. Given a boost of pride to the people of Saudia Arabia and not compromised our security,
Shifty:
Having, displaying, or suggestive of deceitful character; evasive or untrustworthy.
Distinguished by frequent changes in direction: shifty winds.
Able to accomplish what is needed; resourceful.
Pick one :)
Comment by Tundra
….I don’t know….. hmmmmmm….
September 4th, 2006 at 1:10 am;)
If you look at the inventions that have changed the world. The products that have shaped the planet they were created by Americans.
OK. Lets see. This is the area I know:
Aerodynamics (Im talking about the science, not the invention of Wright brothers or Lillenthal´s): Developed by Prandtl in Goettingen, Germany. (Polhausen, Blasius, Von Karman, Schlichting…all his students, all eastern europe)
Heat Transfer: Eckert, a czech exiled who taught until a couple of years ago at Minnesota U. All significant heat transfer developments are due to his school and probably Viskanta (a russian) in Purdue.
Quantum Theory: Planck. German.
Relativity Theory: Einstein. German. Went to Princeton after exile.
Nuclear bomb: Just to name a few: Fermi, Oppenheimer, Szilard. No one was an american.
Do you know that were the russians who taught americans how to build spaceships? I mean, americans didnt ask them, but they learned from them in the way engineering was taught at universities and institutions.
But ok. Great Americans: Josh W. Gibbs, first PhD graduate from Yale. Chemist. Martin Luther King, Ben Franklin…
And, let me tell you. Genius is not a matter of race or country (although India has most geniuses per capita), but opportunities. Black, natives, and all race minorities werent and still arent allowed to the same health, social and cultural opportunities than white people.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:12 amGuys,
I know this is stupid way off topic, but have you guys heard that Steve Irwin is dead?
He’s got 2 little kids.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:13 amHe was annoying, but still I never thought he’d be done in by a stingray.
It’s the third one, true…
September 4th, 2006 at 1:13 amTundra,
The solution is simple: Renewable energy! Our lust for oil is what drives us to set up bases in Saudi Arabia and piss off shitheads like Bin Laden. As long as there is oil in the middle east, American forces will be there to obtain it either diplomatically or by force. Both methods will create terrorism. All the more reason to make the switch to a more eco-friendly source of fuel. That’s the solution. Islamic extremists won’t both us if we get our troops out of there and I’m not just talking about Iraq. They hate us because for the past 70 years we have had military bases there to protect our oil reserves.
Looking at domestic policy again, we should keep the cashflow going in the direction of taxing the rich as much as possible to help pay for the poor. It’s called economic responsibility and morality. Read the communist manifesto. Power to the people!
Go Green Party!
September 4th, 2006 at 1:13 am…So you TELL me I must choose…………
hmmmm…………
;) ;) ;)
September 4th, 2006 at 1:15 amGenius is not a matter of race or country,but opportunities.
that summed up what I was trying to say much better than I did.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:15 amIf you look at the inventions that have changed the world. The products that have shaped the planet they were created by Americans.
and american immigrants — like our friendly former nazi scientists who helped develop our nuke and space programs.
but otherwise, this is hardly true. the first refrigerator was invented by an australian. nikola tesla (pioneer of electrical engineering) was serbian. the curies were french. there are numerous scientific advances that aren’t american. even things like the airplane and automobile were concurrently being developed in europe, even as we americans will always claim they were american inventions.
not to say that americans aren’t at the forefront of innovation and ingenuity, but to imply that america has been more prolific in world-changing inventions than all other countries isn’t exactly true.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:17 amthat summed up what I was trying to say much better than I did.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:18 amComment by Tundra
Then forget my whole post. :)
Oh my god, true. Croc Hunter stabbed in the chest by a stingray barb, geez. That’s too bad. I hope his kids didn’t see that.
Yes, true! You MUST choose the third one! *sniff*
September 4th, 2006 at 1:19 amyes, trueblue, crocodile hunter passed away.
living in australia, i found out the moment it happened. they’re beside themselves here. strange, i thought it was only a matter of time.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:21 amwe should keep the cashflow going in the direction of taxing the rich as much as possible to help pay for the poor.
Cool then I will not bother creating that renewable energy car because all my hard earned money will just go to some guy sitting on his porch drinking beer.
What constitutes rich anyway? Is anyone that had enough cash to have “High speed Internet” when it first came out rich? The same people that drove the price down so that others can afford it? The people with the money to buy the Hi definition televisions at 50K so that they started to become common enough that everyone could afford them? The people who spent mad cash on first run CD players for the home so that the technology got cheap enough that you can buy one for 10 bucks?
September 4th, 2006 at 1:22 amZooey,
………………………………………….
………………………………………….
………………………………………….
hmmmmmmm……………
OK. If I value my life, I go with #3!!
September 4th, 2006 at 1:22 amand he had only recently gotten into trouble for holding his youngest while he was agitating a croc. that didn’t go over too well.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:22 amHe was annoying, but still I never thought he’d be done in by a stingray.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:23 amComment by trueblue
Hey! He was funny. What did that happen?
strange, i thought it was only a matter of time.
Comment by progressaurus rex
In Croc Hunter world, the only other way he would have wanted to go was by croc. He was so passionate about the animal world. I could only take him in small doses, but I’ll miss him.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:23 amWhat constitutes rich anyway?
well, we certainly don’t base it on how much people spend, as you are getting at here.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:25 amGood answer, true!
Wait…what if you didn’t value your life?
September 4th, 2006 at 1:25 amhe was feeding them, right? (with his kid in one arm or something..)
I just never thought a stinking stingray would do him in.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:26 amFifth Amendment!!!
September 4th, 2006 at 1:27 amwell, we certainly don’t base it on how much people spend,
They would have to have it to spend it.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:27 amHoly shit, he had one of his kids with him?
September 4th, 2006 at 1:27 amyes, he was feeding them. but, as far as crocs are concerned, that’s agitating them — it’s certainly when they’re as dangerous as they can be.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:28 amFifth Amendment!!!
Comment by trueblue
this is not a courtroom, true, and you have already incriminated yourself.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:31 am:)
I beg to differ, Zooey.
I was carefully considering my choices!
September 4th, 2006 at 1:32 amThey would have to have it to spend it.
yes, but if your point is rich people are somehow being “taxed” because they like to delve in the bleeding edge of technology, i’m sorry — that’s not a point. buying new gadgets is voluntary; taxes aren’t.
i know what you’re getting at and i don’t believe it. i don’t believe rich people will let their wealth “trickle down” just like i don’t believe corporations are given to being morally or socially responsible.
which is another reason why i’m not a libertarian anymore.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:33 amToo late, true!
You are dead to me.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:33 amzooey, no not today (as far as i know) — we’re discussing an earlier episode.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:34 amProgressaurus Rex,
Wasn’t he some kind of national icon there?
I’m jus really bummed because miniblue and I watched Animal Planet for years when she was younger, and saw him all the time. The guy kinda grew on you.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:35 amWhat constitutes rich anyway?
All I know is it has nothing to do with money.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:37 amzooey, no not today (as far as i know) — we’re discussing an earlier episode.
Comment by progressaurus rex
Thank goodness.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:37 amToo late, true!
You are dead to me.
Comment by Zooey
Ah, c’mon! I know you don’t mean it.
You like me, I know you do….
c’mon, give me a smile….
Zooey and true = best cyber pals!!!!!
;)
September 4th, 2006 at 1:37 amwell, he was kind of both a national icon and a national joke. not in a bad way, but i think just as many australians were proud of him as a “cultural export” as the ones who were kind of embarrassed by the backbush yobbo image he portrayed.
yobbo is australian for redneck.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:38 ammissed the post earlier Juan C. about the names of the ektoplasmic entities on ghost busters..heh! =)
September 4th, 2006 at 1:39 amyes, but if your point is rich people are somehow being “taxed†because they like to delve in the bleeding edge of technology
Far from it. My point was in response to.
we should keep the cashflow going in the direction of taxing the rich as much as possible to help pay for the poor.
I was saying that by removing the wealthy members of society and “taxing them as much as possible”, it hurts the economy. We need different economic classes of people. Taxing as much as possible just removes elements of that. By taking more of their money they will not have it to spend on technology items that end up benefiting us all, when they become mainstream.
i don’t believe rich people will let their wealth “trickle downâ€
September 4th, 2006 at 1:40 amI agree, but they do spend money and help to drop the price/improve goods.
Wha?
September 4th, 2006 at 1:40 amAustralians don’t go around saying, “Crickey!” all the time?
I’m shocked!
/sarcasm
All I know is it has nothing to do with money.
Comment by Trinary Sockpuppet
You are SO right, Trinary.
My boys and I are rich in love. Everything else is way down on the list.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:41 amZooey,
I know you read my post. It’s not nice to ignore your best cyber pal….. c’mon! Give me a smile!
September 4th, 2006 at 1:43 amMy boys and I are rich in love. Everything else is way down on the list.
Good, then tell the rest of them to stop trying to take the wealthy persons money! Trying to take something that is way down the list from someone is like “Jealousy” because it’s something you don’t need or even really want. you just don’t want others to have it.
Thanks for the support Zoo :)
(BTW, I’m not rich, just middle class. Moved up from middle/lower to around lower/middle, striving for middle/middle though)
September 4th, 2006 at 1:43 amZooey and true = best cyber pals!!!!!
;)
Comment by trueblue
Welllll, alright. Just don’t tell anyone. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 1:43 amYEA!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew I’d get ‘ya!
September 4th, 2006 at 1:46 amI must say though that Steve Irwin, got loads of people interested in animals and the environment. Especially kids.
I really liked the guy, even though I’m sure most of it was an act, he had no problem laughing at himself.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:46 ami know what you’re getting at and i don’t believe it. i don’t believe rich people will let their wealth “trickle down†just like i don’t believe corporations are given to being morally or socially responsible.
me either, at least not until they figure out that it’s basically monopoly money based on a printing press and that you can’t take it with you when you die nor can you buy a ticket thru the pearly gates.
==
My boys and I are rich in love. Everything else is way down on the list.
Comment by Zooey — September 4, 2006
As it should be =]
September 4th, 2006 at 1:46 amGood, then tell the rest of them to stop trying to take the wealthy persons money!
Comment by Tundra
Was that sarcastic?
September 4th, 2006 at 1:48 amIf yes: Good one.
If no: Wealth is produced by worker´s exploitation. It has been proven. So, middle class in a free market society is like chocolates in the fridge. It wont last. Capitalism is about accumulation of wealth, that just take us to few very rich people and lots of hungry, broken people rioting in the streets.
Thanks for the support Zoo :)
(BTW, I’m not rich, just middle class. Moved up from middle/lower to around lower/middle, striving for middle/middle though)
Comment by Tundra
I go back and forth on this subject. The rich could do more for charity, but if they don’t want to, we can’t force them.
My middle sis was saying just the other day, “It’s hard for a family to do anything with less than $40K per year.” I think it was the look on my face that shut her up. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 1:49 amI think it was the look on my face that shut her up. :)
Comment by Zooey
Or the barbecue? Wasnt she from the get together weekend?
September 4th, 2006 at 1:53 amI don’t know, Zooey.
In America, 40k isn’t all that much. There’s housing that’s thru the roof. (HA! That was funny, but I guess not very nice.)
Utilities – gone way up.
Education – yeah, right. Get a scholarship.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:55 amJuan,
This was my middle sis from Texas. She was at the barbecue, but it was at my youngest sister’s house. Middle sister has always been comfortable in terms of money, she’s a nice person, but no clue as to how the “other half” lives.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:57 amtrue,
Maybe I could sell a lung…
Really, I’m comfortable with my income. I just think it’s incredible how some people think the only important thing is how much money you make.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:00 amI wouldn’t do the lung, Zooey.
A part of your liver is good, because it will actually regenerate!
Money never could buy happiness, that is for sure.
Remember I told you about Voldemort? The year I said enough was the year he made just over 100,000.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:04 amWas NOT worth it. (Plus, I had to live on an ‘allowance’. D*ckhead!)
I just think it’s incredible how some people think the only important thing is how much money you make.
Comment by Zooey
What did you say? I actually lose a 100 bucks for reading that. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 2:07 amVoldemort sounds like a real peach…a rotten one. My ex used to give $5 a week, and I could spend it on anything I wanted! I saved it up, and bought cheap-assed groceries for a year, and got the hell out of there.
Ugh.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:07 amI actually lose a 100 bucks for reading that. :)
Comment by Juan C
Sorry, Juan. I don’t understand what you mean.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:09 am5???
5 fricking dollars!
OMFG!
20 dollars, to feed a family of 4?
What an A$$HOLE!!!
September 4th, 2006 at 2:11 amI don’t understand what you mean.
Comment by Zooey
Sorry, a joke. About people too concerned about having lots of money.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:12 amIm losing the modjo. :(
never, Juan!
September 4th, 2006 at 2:13 am;)
No true,
There was the grocery money. And then there was the $5 a week that was all mine. He would say, “Buy yourself something pretty.” I’d think to myself, “Divorces are pretty — shithead.”
September 4th, 2006 at 2:14 amOk, I see now, Juan. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 2:15 amwow. i’ve forgotten what this thread was about. and after 675 posts, it’s too far to go back and look.
i might get lost.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:16 amOK, you two.
It’s 2:22am.
(omg – do you remember the 70’s show? Room 222, I think it was. Wow. Flashback!)
I haven’t seen this time of morning since the arguements with Voldemort!
I need to catch some serious Z’s! Good-night!
September 4th, 2006 at 2:16 amjust out of curiosity, where are you juan?
September 4th, 2006 at 2:17 amif ya don’t mind saying, that is.
true,
What are you talking about? It’s only 11:30! Way past my bedtime too, actually.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:17 am$5 a week that was all mine.
are you sure we didn’t marry the same guy?
;)
night now!
September 4th, 2006 at 2:18 amwhat are you talking about zooey?
September 4th, 2006 at 2:18 amit’s only 4:30 in the afternoon…
Im off too. Good night, ladies. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 2:19 amPeace.
it’s only 4:30 in the afternoon…
Comment by progressaurus rex
Monday?
September 4th, 2006 at 2:20 amGoodnight, Juan.
I’ll ask you all that personal stuff another time. :)
September 4th, 2006 at 2:21 amwhere are you juan?
if ya don’t mind saying, that is.
Comment by progressaurus rex
Mexico City!
September 4th, 2006 at 2:21 amyes, it’s monday…
i’m talking to you from THE FUTURE.
i’m sure king g would’ve been interested in that.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:22 amI’ll ask you all that personal stuff another time. :)
Comment by Zooey
Anytime. You too, true. ;)
September 4th, 2006 at 2:22 amprog rex,
Before I head off to hit the sack, is Monday a good day? Worth getting up? :)
September 4th, 2006 at 2:24 amahh, cool.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:24 ambest of luck. i’ve been following the developments there with a lot of interest. i’ll refer to the blog you referenced earlier, but later on i may have some questions for you, just to get a first-person perspective of what’s going on.
yes, so far so good, zooey. weather’s nice and work wasn’t too hard…
September 4th, 2006 at 2:25 amgood night to all…
September 4th, 2006 at 2:27 amComment by progressaurus rex
September 4th, 2006 at 2:27 amAnytime if that helps you.
Thanks, prog rex. It’s been fun.
Have a nice evening, and sorry about the Croc Hunter.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:28 amSo this is how one feels when everybody is gone in a classroom and you get all the chalkboard to yourself.
September 4th, 2006 at 2:38 amTerrorism Prosecutions Drop to Near Pre-9/11 Levels
Analysis Shows a Spike After 9/11, Then a Steady Decline
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 4, 2006; A06
Justice Department prosecutions of international terrorism cases, which surged in volume after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, have nearly returned to the levels seen prior to the hijackings, according to an independent analysis of government data released yesterday.
The study of data by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC), an affiliate of Syracuse University in New York, also showed that as many as nine out of 10 terrorism investigations do not result in prosecutions, that most charges are not related to terrorism and that only about a third of those prosecuted end up in prison.
The findings, based on data compiled by the Justice Department’s Executive Office for United States Attorneys, echo previous analyses by The Washington Post and others showing that most defendants in terrorism cases are charged with crimes unrelated to terrorism and that many serve little or no prison time.
TIME TO GO HOME GUYS,,
September 4th, 2006 at 4:12 am“Senator Dole is correct. Liberals would rather shake hands with and appease the enemy than preserve our freedom and American way of life. Liberals need to have all of their freedoms stripped away so they can learn to appreciate being American.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler”
Since “liberals” support terrorism, it SHOULD have been an easy job for Libby to name one who holds that position, right? So, why did she have to duck the question? Jason, you are a very silly boy.
September 4th, 2006 at 5:24 amHello TP ‘regulars’. Wow crazy long thread, Judd will be busy. I have a serious request to make of all of my ’sane ‘ friends here. In post#30 (for the moment) from GBTSA @sept. 3 1:27 pm, he has a link : “right here”. PLEASE click on it , then scroll down to the item named “Dubious Friends”. READ ALL OF IT, PLEASE. We all know this BushCo crap has been going on for a long time, and is full of twists and turns, but this is UNREAL. At least I wish it was. It even made me cry… really. It’s so, so bad. I feel so sick to my stomach. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts. Thanks, Friends. And to GBTSA, thank you SO much for posting that link. It hurts though…
September 4th, 2006 at 5:53 am[...] • Liddy gets stumped on terrorism • NYT on GOP L-O-S-I-N-G • Congress returns to primp for election • Tropical Depression 6 forms • Cape Fear river flooding • Crikey! Croc hunter dies from Stingray wound [...]
September 4th, 2006 at 8:14 amif advocating for negotiations with Iran makes someone an appeaser, someone really needs to remind folks about what was happening with Fox News Contributor Ollie North and Ron Reagan during Iran/Contra.
Has our institutional memory grown so short?
September 4th, 2006 at 8:37 amPoster “Scarface”, with his/her writings here, may have technically violated the Seditions Act of July 14, 1798 (yes, still on the books), by calling for treasonous acts to be carried out against the nation–secession being the big one.
Read John Dean’s “Conservatives without Conscience” and you’ll begin to understand the self-righteous authoritarian psychology being implemented by Scarface and others of his/her ilk. Truly a danger to the Republic.
Of course, after Scarface reads this, look out for more vitriol–it’s the only way they communicate.
Sooner or later, reality catches up with them…
September 4th, 2006 at 9:42 amWe were created by the Annnunaki/Elohim hundreds of Thousand years ago.
Then explain the intelligence of the human appendix like I previously asked. Tell me why you have breasts that are not functional. Hardy a wise thing to give someone. The list continues, but we’ll start there.
Of course this is too much for 7 day creations and Bacterial beginnings Atheists to comprehend with their sinpleton brains!
Comment by King Gonorrhea — September 3, 2006 @ 11:35 pm
Most Atheists are in the top 1-2% of intelligence in teh world. Many have advanced college degrees – including PhDs. “Simpleton brains” is not logical.
Besides the creation stories that you folks come up with are ridiculous. They are illogical and poorly conceived.
It takes intellect to understand Einsteins’ theory of relativity, Mendell’s genetics, Darwin’s Evolution of the Species. It’s why you guys have to come up with “In seven days…” kinds of fairytales. So you can understand them. Unfortunately, they are wrong.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:15 amthe true Origins of Humanity have been covered up by the Archealogical establishement. whethere it be the Radical left that wants to prove evolution
It’s already been proven. You just don’t have the brain power to be able to accept it.
or the Christian Right that wants to belive in the 7 days of creation.
Oh, I see now what your beef is with the left and right – they aren’t buying into your nonsense. This has nothing to do with what you said, it’s about your selfish wants not being met. Figures.
Read about the ancient Sumerians and the stories of the Annunaki. There’s some compelling evidence. In fact I belive religious beliefs were stories of encounters with these advanced beings!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 3, 2006 @ 11:56 pm
Nonsense. Just like there is no proof of flying invisible unicorns, Santa Claus, or gods, there is no proof of aliens. In fact it’s a huge joke in one of my classes because one of the students said that aliens built Stonehenge and it went from there. There’s a reason it’s a joke.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:24 amHow do you use diplomacy against that?
Comment by Tundra — September 3, 2006 @ 11:58 pm
You have a good defense in place. 10% of our current military would still be a formidable defensive system.
You can’t find a recipe to handle each and every situation equally.
I would think the reality of a threat like that is diminished by their inability to pull it off. These are poor people.
Plus, I think there are diplomatic things that can be done. People fear and then hate what they don’t know. There’s something to be said about knowledge. We could help educate them, instead of bombing them. Be benevolent and nurturing. It doesn’t always work, but it’s certainly more moral than killing people based on a lot of what ifs…
September 4th, 2006 at 10:31 amThis just proves the ignorance and intolerance of the Radical Left. You guys have a stringent ideology and anyone that goes against it must be ridiculed. Just like the Christianb Right.
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 4, 2006 @ 12:23 am
Funny how you keep accusing us of what you yourself are doing… And we aren’t. Facts versus beliefs isn’t the same.
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What you’re doing would be the same as me calculating my grocery store bill in Euros. It’s pointless because I don’t buy my groceries in France, or pay in Euros.
Essentially, $50 here is equivalent to $50 yuan there, because it buys the same amount there that it does here. There is no conversion.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:49 amI’m sure our engineer here is making 8 times what one in China is making.
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But toilet paper there cost 8 times less, so it is equal…
September 4th, 2006 at 10:51 amHey Lefties here’s a link on out of place artifacts. Have an open mind isn’t this what the left believes?
http://s8int.com/
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm
Open yoy mind!
Comment by King Ghidorah — September 4, 2006 @
From your link:
“Do unexplained technologies of the ancients provide possible proofs of Pre-flood civilizations? If you believe that the flood of Noah actually happened, what was the state of the technology of pre-flooders? Could they have left physical evidence of their existence?”
It doesn’t require an open mind, it requires a rejection (or ignorance) of reality.
Noah’s Flood is an impossibility because there is NOT enough water on the planet to flood the Earth. Oops, Scientific fact just got in the way, I bet you’ll just reject it entirely as you’ve done this entire thread.
Here’s a further list of problems with the flood being real:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
“Two kinds of flood model are not addressed here. First is the local flood. Genesis 6-8 can be interpreted as a homiletic story such that the “world” that was flooded was just the area that Noah knew. Creationists argue against the local flood model because it doesn’t fit their own literalist preconceptions, but I know of no physical evidence contrary to such a model.
Second, the whole story can be dismissed as a series of supernatural miracles. There is no way to contradict such an argument. However, one must wonder about a God who reportedly does one thing and then arranges every bit of evidence to make it look like something else happened. It’s entirely possible that a global flood occurred 4000 years ago or even last Thursday, and that God subsequently erased all the evidence, including our memories of it. But even if such stories are true, what’s the point?”
September 4th, 2006 at 11:01 am[...] Source: Think Progress [...]
September 4th, 2006 at 11:32 amThere is only 30% of the population left who buys anything the Right says anymore. The old playbook of ’smear and fear’ ain’t gonna work.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:22 pmTo the one who said that Blue America should seccede. I agree. Blue tax dollars have been funding foaming at the mouth fundamentalists for far too long. I say we take our money and run and leave Jesuslanders the third-world theocracy they so crave.
September 4th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI don’t see how proving the bible wrong makes you apart of the radical left………………………….King………….
September 4th, 2006 at 2:40 pmhey, i didn’t know that ned lamont’s grandfather was the famed nazi sympathizer prescott bush. that’s why i love the internets, you learn something new every day.
“of course we called the democrats ‘nazi appeasers.’ it’s the only way there is of alerting the american people how seriously messed up iraq really is.”
September 4th, 2006 at 3:15 pm–liddy dole
richard in nc:
the sedition act of 1798 is not “still on the books” as you say. it expired in 1801, at the end of the John Adams presidency. even if it hadn’t, it would’ve been ruled unconstitutional.
not that i support in any way what scarface said.
September 4th, 2006 at 6:06 pmAnother loony in the loony bin. FEAR FEAR FEAR DEATH DEATH YOUR GONNA DIE YOUR GONNA DIE, repeat. Stupid numb skulls.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:09 pmwhat an idiot!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:17 amThe trolls are ignoring the topic, as usual. Look it’s not hard: she avoided answering the question, at least twice
I bet the trolls won’t even acknowledge that, even though it’s on video tape right in front of them.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:52 amThis website must be a joke. Stop taking people out of context and start listening to your leader, Jerry Springer. He is calling all progressives and dumb-o-crats to get back into their trailers and circle the President. What a infinite load is coming out of this website. Yahoo redneck heaven!
September 5th, 2006 at 3:45 pmArizona Linda,
September 6th, 2006 at 6:44 amThis site presents the video of Elizabeth Dole for readers to make their own judgment. How can that be taking “people out of context?” It seems you pay a lot more attention to Jerry Springer than I do. (I’ve never even watched his program.)
Funny how you Busheviks can’t decide whether people on the left are “liberal elitists” or, now according to you, “Yahoo rednecks.”
to comment #4 jason hendler; to understand what it is to be an american, “liberals” need to have all their rights stripped away? you would aver without the least trace of irony as you would thump that place where your chest should be. i understand why you don’t listen to your own harrangue, it is unbearable. we will all come to know what it’s like to be american by having our rights stripped away while “conervatives” sheik more than just hands in appea$ment, you dolt.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:52 amI hate to break it to all you wingers on the right and left, but the majority of America sits somewhere in the middle. We do not buy into all the media mudslinging by both sides.
As for the Sen. Dole video, I agree she avoids the questions. I just have a couple of questions I need answered before I vote this November:
Can someone clearly explain the Democrats’ plan/vison for Iraq? Please include how they will deal with the influence of Syria & Iran in the region?
What is a good strategy with dealing with terrorist groups? Do you think we should use the tactics of the Clinton Adminstration?
Thanks for the help!!!!
September 8th, 2006 at 10:30 pmThe problem isn’t ‘appeasement’, or ‘accommodation’. It’s using such words, labels and divisive, incendiary rhetoric for partisan and ideological gain at the expense of making the best decisions and taking the correct actions for a satisfactory solution. United we stand, divided we fall applies. However, that doesn’t necessarily require the capitulation of one viewpoint to another, as so many conservatives would lead the public to believe; in our society and government, it entails and often demands compromises and the need to work for consensus. Of course, Sen. Dole is fully cognizant of that. She and the rest of her ilk are not only being dishonest, by placing partisanship and their ideologies over the needs of the country, they are being unpatriotic.
Wallace could have pointed out the fallacy in Dole’s argument by asking about Bush’s new policy toward Libya and its leader. Or, for that matter, about Bush’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, and his well documented lengthy collusion with Nazi’s in his capacity as director of Union Bank. He could have pointed out FDR’s running battle with Republicans because he opposed appeasing Nazi Germany. It would seem a major tactical error for Republicans to be maliciously bludgeoning opponents with Nazi comparisons, or publicly defending those who do. Obviously, the strategy is to push as many emotional hot buttons as quickly as possible, regardless of how that insults the intelligence of the public they are elected to serve.
September 9th, 2006 at 10:16 pmWallace also gives Ms. Dole a free pass by not pointing out (as is amply demonstrated in Rep. Slaughter’s correspondence to Disney/ABC regarding “Path to 9/11″), that it was only after it became vital to political survival, or politically expedient, that Republicans chose to disingenuously cloak themselves in an anti-terrorism leadership role. This quickly becomes shockingly evident upon close examination of their record before 9/11, while a corresponding examination of their opponents record before or after reveals no such deficiency.
September 9th, 2006 at 10:49 pmRE: #591
Tony, I’d like to take you at your word, but your questions frame conservative talking points. I would disagree that the majority of Americans are sitting on the fence. The majority can be grouped about the center, but that hardly means they don’t have definite views on terrorism, Iraq, etc. It should be obvious to the open-minded which side the vast bulk of dishonesty and demagoguery originates from. If you despise it as much as I, use your vote to send a message, man!
Most of the tactics being used right now in the war on terror were formulated and approved by the Clinton administration. You would know that if you had done your homework. And I have to believe a Democratic administration and Congress would be far more reluctant to needlessly trample rights the way the conservatives have. Albeit, when the other side keeps engaging in the politics of fear, who knows? All Osama has to do is get in a few adroit swings, then let the Republicans bat clean-up.
As far as Iraq, both Democrats and Republicans hold a wide range of views on where to go from here. Personally, from the same middle-of-the-road view you profess, I think this administration has screwed up so badly, there are few, if any, easy answers or good choices. It’s like looking for salvation in hell. The best thing is not to put oneself in that position, but it’s too late for that now.
I don’t think Iran, and certainly not Syria, pose any serious threat to the U.S. I don’t buy into neo-con hyperbolic claims that have their own agenda. While there is cause for concern, it can be discerned that current foreign policy strategies are counterproductive. Senselessly labeling whole countries containing millions of people as ‘evil’ is just plain ignorant. And we definitely don’t need another Iraq. With that in mind, what is lost by taking a different tack? They have a word for it that is missing the definition in this administration’s dictionary…it’s called diplomacy.
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