Santorum: ‘I Think The Focus Should Not Be Iraq, It Should Be Iran’
Santorum: ‘I Think The Focus Should Not Be Iraq, It Should Be Iran’
This morning on Meet the Press, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) claimed, “I think the focus should not be Iraq, it should be Iran.” Watch it:
It’s clear why Santorum wants to take public attention off the deeply unpopular war in Iraq. The problem is that President Bush’s failing policy there is one of the main factors empowering Iran in the region. As the British think tank Chatham House noted in its recent report:
The wars and continued weaknesses in Afghanistan and Iraq have further strengthened Iran, their most powerful immediate neighbour, which maintains significant involvement in its ‘near-abroad’. The US-driven agenda for confronting Iran is severely compromised by the confident ease with which Iran sits in its region.
U.S. security requires having effective policies in both Iraq and Iran. Right now we don’t have either.
Full transcript:
SANTORUM: You’re trying to get Iraqis to take control of the security situation, which we are trying to do. We are trying to get international cooperation to get money in there. We’re trying to improve their quality of life. We’re trying to stabilize their democracy and make sure their constitution is defended. I mean, all of those things that I think everyone would agree that we are to do. The question is, is you have some — you have sectarian violence you talked about, fomented by Iran, that we are not addressing. So the question is, how do we cure Iraq? Focus on Iran. We need to do something about stopping the Iranians from being the central destabilizer of the Middle East.
RUSSERT: Would you put more troops in Iraq?
SANTORUM: I don’t know if it’s a question of more troops or less troops. I think the focus should not be Iraq, it should be Iran.
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The problem for Santorum is that he doesn’t get to decide what the voters are focused on.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:08 pmCan I just say, as an aside, that Bob Casey was a complete and total tool on this show?
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:12 pmA few years ago, a neocon friend of mine explained how regime change in Iraq would embolden the moderates in Iran to overthrow the government. Now, Iran is literally surrounded by chaotic war zones (don’t forget Chechnya to the north), and its people have responded by rallying around the hardliners, just as we do when we feel under threat. The moderates have been eliminated, and now the Iranian leaders feel free to snub and challenge the west.
At what point do we stop listening to those who have been so utterly wrong? When do we turn to those who were correct and ask what they think? Why isn’t Scott Ritter on the gabfests every day to give the view of one who was right all along?
The American public has relied on bad advice for years now. If it continues to do so, then it deserves whatever it gets.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:13 pmLook at him, he is obviously wasted. Rick, go home and sleep it off.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 pmSeriously, is it possible for Ricky not to look like a total douche all the time? I’m just asking.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
Ahhh, the good ole’ GOP ‘bait and switch’. Osama attacks the USA, get Saddam. Bogged down in the Iraq quagmire, attack Iran.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 pm
He really should change the spelling of his name to Sanitarium. It’s far more appropriate.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:21 pmpRick doesn’t have too many days left in office. As a PA voter, I’ll help in sending him back home so he can spend more time with his dog.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmI disagree Pats, Santorum spent so much time sounding like a broken record, he talked of the “death tax” the “war on terror”, “entitlements”. Zero original thought. He tried to say he was at odds with the president, but Russert showed he voted with the Bush averaging 98% or so over the last 6 years.
To me Santorum sounded desperate, but unable to supply anything new.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmWe must find Osama Bin Laden! He is the mastermind behind 9/11!
Nevermind him he’s not important. We must get Saddam!
Nevermind him he’s not important. We must get Ahmadinejad!
Nevermind him he’s not important. We must get Don King!
Nevermind him he’s not important. We must get Mickey Mouse!
“Mission Accomplished!”
Nevermind that, it’s not important. We must find more enemies!
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmI think little “Ricky” lost his mind a long time ago when he brought home his dead spontaneous abortion for the other children to play with. The problem is he’s a very disturbed schister. He doesn’t live in the state he represents, he votes with the President 98% of the time (jeez, lovers don’t agree 98% of the time), he has delusions of WMDs no one else on the planet can see. Psychotic delusions and charisma are a really bad combination.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmFrom a parallel thread:
Off Topic, but worth noting:
As I noted earlier, McCain’s trade-off for supporting Bush is the Presidency in ‘08.
Bush is going to start an invasion in Iran, then Rove will get the American people will vote for his hand-picked successor, McCain, a war-hero with combat experience.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmThe real enemy is the Lochness Monster. We must first attack Iran then onto Scotland. Once we get mired in Scotland then it is time to focus on the true enemy which is the Abominable Snowman in Antarctica. After attacking them we should then focus on the sponsors of these two monsters, the Taliban-like jackals from the planet Krebnack. Then onto the snake headed creatures from the Zool Galaxy then onto fight the Vapor Demons in the Andromeda Mists and then to fight the Devil Specters in the molton lava pits on the seventh moon of Schemcador!
Then we can focus on some of the domestic issues.
-Rick Sphinctorum
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:39 pmOn the bright side Tony Blair’s cabinet will press him to resign over Iraq, PERFECT TIMING! Maybe more Americans will wake up if the British PM is sacked for Bushcrap.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:40 pmIsn’t McCain even older than Cheney?
McCain vs. Hillary? We’re doomed….
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:40 pmSicky Rantorum will be taking a long vacation after November.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmHe’ll be applying for a job on K street, but actually thinks K street is a breakfast cereal.
Santorum did try to push the “we did find the WMD’s” despite how descredited that has become. He did admit when confronted by Russert, that they were old weapons. He did not add that the UN, and the US already knew about the weapons, and that the weapons were inoperable.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmOn the bright side Tony Blair’s cabinet will press him to resign over Iraq, PERFECT TIMING!
Comment by bones — September 3, 2006 @ 12:40 pm
Yes, the lemmings need someone to follow. Why not the co-author of the debacle in the Middle East?
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:46 pmSicky Rantorum – that’s priceless!!!!
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:47 pm15 Unbelievable-
Rumors are Hilalry won’t be running. The group controlling this show have decided she needs to stay in the Senate -
“I would not be surprised if she were to decide that the best contribution she can make to her country is to forget about being president and become a consensus-maker in the Senate,†said a leading Democratic party insider. “`
http://rawstory.com/
Consensus-maker – Interesting choice of words – I read that as saying her job will be to prevent the Dem controlled congress from going too far and actually impeaching Bush Cheney rumsfeld for war crimes –
After all the Dem & Repub parties are both run by an organized crime syndicate unparalled in recent history.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmJason Handler
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmWhat you fail to realize is you’re being lied to by a crime syndicate well-versed in the techniques and politics of terrorism
Wait let me get this right. Our inability to quell a domestic insurgency in Iraq has made Iran nervous and that is dangerous for the US. Ergo we should do the same thing in Iran we did in Iraq. What kind of fn sense does that make? I cant even follow the logic of the “Bush-Cheney Neo-Con Death Cult” anymore. It’s just fn insanity, surreal, and absurd. There is a complete disconnection between sane thought and logic and what they say and think. Do they even think about what they say anymore? Or have they been taken over by bodysnatchers? Would America please imprison or commit these people.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmPut your misguided hatred for George Bush aside and use your brains and common sense here.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 3, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Put your stupid blind faith in your screw up saviour GWB aside and use your brains and common sense here.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmAfter all the Dem & Repub parties are both run by an organized crime syndicate unparalled in recent history.
Comment by cmw — September 3, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
Yep. It’s name is Corporate America…
The sooner we revoke Corporate Personhood, and get corporate dollars out ofthe political process, the better off we’ll be as a nation. Unfortunately, we need to elect folks not on the payroll, and I don’t know if any exist.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmThe focus should be on border security, which Republicans are ignoring so they won’t lose Mexican votes.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:54 pmSantorum would just not shut up during the entire “debate”, and Russert would not intervene in any way. I couldn’t decide if that was good or bad for Casey. I was surprised that he didn’t punch Santorum or leave the set when it became obvious that Russert was going to let Santorum go on and on.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:54 pmOr maybe Jason Hendler is also a member of the crime syndicate – the global crime syndicate that wages war, reaps billions, lends taxpayer money to itself to rebuild what it just bombed to oblivion, and keeps yelping about terrorism – the only terrorism we have to fear is that perpetrated by our two-party syndicate
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:54 pmMr Paine, don’t pick on Jason, that’s the answer the republicans told him to give to any question about the middle east, “they are the most dangerous threat the US has ever faced and we have to invade them”. He doesn’t know any better.
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmTom Ballou
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmBorder security. That’s another red herring from the crime syndicate as they spend taxpayer dollars controlling the Mexican goverment to keep the Mexicans in utter poverty so they’ll come across the border and work for slave wages, while at the same time the crime syndicate deftly spreads fear amongst the ‘white’ population that they’re being over run – it’s a great game and you fell for it
Jason,
If you have a loaded shot gun in your closet and you know that a group of ‘darkies’ (as you refer to the dark-skinned people you fear and think are out to get you) are about to break down your door and murder you, you would hide the gun?
Please. Even you can’t be that stupid. Ivy League education from Stanford and all that…
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:59 pmSimilary the crime syndicate is spending our hard earned money to control Chavez and Venezuala so Chavez doesn’t spoil the game by increasing the oil supply – the game is to repress the oil supply and keep prices high – ergo – BP suddenly has to shut down Alaska pipeline, IRaq oil stays in the ground – the only reason Bush wants to bomb Iran is to prevent the Shiite from pumping oil and affecting the supply
The biggest myth perpetrated by the syndicate is that we have a free market – the oil industy is the most unfree market – they control the supply – always have and apparently Americans are too stupid to figure it out
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmThe only reason we invaded Iraq was to prevent Saddam from selling his oil for Euros – the sanctions on his oil were about to end – he was threatening to trade in euros only – that was the reason – i’d be willing to bet a lot of money that the notes from Cheney’s energy conferences held in early 2001, the ones that Ken Lay was involved in – were all about what to do about Saddam and his oil threats – unfortunately those notes have been labeled top security – national security – and can’t be released to the American public – how much you want to bet they were conspiring then on just how to overthrow Saddam – and then miraculously, we had 9-11
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:05 pmUnbelievable
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmIt’s the ivy leaguers who help the crime syndicate do its work without getting indicted – Think mafia dons and their high-priced well educated lawyers
Jason what does your “common sense and brains” say about this:
The Taliban offered to hand over Osama Bin Laden at least twice. Firstly, upon seeing the evidence he was directly related to anything. Then after that they offered to hand him over to a third (i.e. neutral) country for trial. BUSCHO REFUSED. full story here
It was WELL known Saddam and OBL were enemies. Saddam was a SECULAR fascist. He crushed any and all religious extremism, as well as various other freedoms. “The terrorists” whoever they are, only turned up in Iraq after BushCo went in and took the country apart, including destroying the security forces, infrastructure, dismantling the army etc.
Now it’s on to Iran, who’ve not been involved in any terrorist incident in quite a long time and, incidently are another victim of US intervention (remember the Shah??) – another country that had its democracy destroyed by US “interests”
There are also many videotaped recordings of BushCo saying they basically think OBL is irrelevent and not important.
What does your “common sense and brains” tell you about this farce?
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmIt’s no accident that Bush, both Clintons, the Buckleys who started the CIA way back – they all attended Yale – and it’s no accident that Bush and Kerry are both members of Skull and Bones – when are Americans going to wake up to the pin-striped mafia that’s running this show
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:09 pmScarface
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmThat’s a good one – only a member of the crime syndicate could project so well their own reality onto a scapegoat – a straw man – your name befits your amorality – say hi to your crime bosses Bush and Cheney next time you pay homage
Jason,
the left has been saying exactly what you said since before the invasion of Iraq. I fully realize the threat posed by Al Qaeda, and similar groups. They no home, no bases, no morals, and no ethics. I don’t understand you point. I have been trying to get right wingers to understand exactly what you said in your post for the last 4 years. Funny now that the stay the course crap isn’t working, you now claim that us “liberals” don’t get it.
Time for some new material cheif. The old stuff is tired.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmFrom the Boston Globe: 8/27/06
“N’DJAMENA , Chad — The president of this north central African country yesterday ordered US energy giant Chevron and Malaysia’s Petronas to leave within 24 hours, a move apparently aimed at increasing control over Chad’s oil output.”
I can’t wait to hear Bush’s spin on how Chad = 911 cause you know when your against Big Oil ,your for the terrists, right? Oh yeah , Chad hates jeebus.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:14 pmKrazny
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmAl Qaeda is paid by the CIA. You are describing the Bush administration – “no morals, and no ethics.”
Krazny
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:16 pmThat’s why we never find Osama – he’s a CIA agent and he most likely lives in Saudi Arabia, safely ensconced in a country BUshCo would never attack.
Sick Rantorum.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:17 pmmparker
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:18 pmInteresting – that fits right into the modus operandi of repressing the oil supply – They’ll never let Chad get away with increasing its supply
heil hitler! heil rothchilds!
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:30 pmI think Jason’s getting his talking points confused. “Adapt and change” by going into Iran? I guess he missed what Bush said in Utah last week:
“Iraq is the central front in this war on terror. If we leave the streets of Baghdad before the job is done, we will have to face the terrorists in our own cities. We will stay the course, we will help this young Iraqi democracy succeed, and victory in Iraq will be a major ideological triumph in the struggle of the 21st century.”
Which a bit different from what he said in his August 21 press conference:
Q What did Iraq have to do with that?
THE PRESIDENT: What did Iraq have to do with what?
Q The attack on the World Trade Center?
THE PRESIDENT: Nothing, except for it’s part of — and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective.
Yes, Mr. President, resentment toward our occupation of Iraq has created a breeding ground for terrorists and suicide bombers. We see the smoldering car wrecks on TV every night.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:33 pmheil Bush, heil Clinton, heil Aipac – it’s a twisted turn of events that the Zionists collaborated with the nazis during WWII in exchange for the nazis allowing German Jews to send their money to Palestine – the Zionists since WWII will do anything to create and sustain Israel – and they’ve successfully paid off the US Congress, with money given to them by the US Congress – it’s a great scam, everybody wins, except the taxpayers and of course the women and children of Lebanon and Gaza – they can be eliminated as needed in pursuit of money and power
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:34 pmPriceless. Absolutely priceless! You remind me of Herr Rumsfield, ‘we know where the WMD’s are, they’re here, and here, and here…all the places we haven’t looked at yet.’
Allow me to paraphrase your argument:
What you Christian conservatives fail to realize is that we must adapt and change to the dynamics of the middle east terrorism threat. Christian conservatives don’t operate in a conventional fashion, with honor and dignity. They constantly shift blame to new locations and territories in order to achieve their objectives of continual warfare. Iraq was important yesterday, Afghanistan the day before. Today Iran is the problem that must be dealt with because now Iran is trading oil in Euros instead of dollars. Osama is not stationary, he left Tora Bora. The WMD’s in Iraq were moved as well, when Saddam used the last of his functional stockpile on the Kurds under Bush Sr’s watch. No doubt Christian conservatives would like you to believeOsama and the WMD’s are now located in Iran although they have absolutely no intelligence to back this up, because Plame’s identity was outed and that destroyed our intelligence gathering operation in Iran.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:58 pmI think we should give Santorum a ticket to Iran and a camera and let him focus on the fact that the people dying for his stupidity are in Iraq!
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:00 pmBut Jason, the WMD’s have been on American soil all along. We sold but a small fraction of them to Hussein. American made WMD’s gassed Kurds and Iranians.
Put your misguided faith in George Bush aside and use your brains and common sense here.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:04 pmWhat you liberals fail to realize is that we must adapt and change to the dynamics of the middle east terrorism threat.
–Jason
Jason don’t you listen?
I am not a liberal…And who the hell are you talking to with your insane limbaugh rants? Bush is the one that has been saying stay the course, WE have been saying for quite some time that the course must be changed. We have been telling you to Adapt for a long TIME, and just now you realize we are right?And like the rest of the Bush fakes, you now embrace what we said and call it your own?
You are a Joke Jason and not even a funny one.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:04 pmThe WMD’s in Iraq were moved as well. No doubt Osama and the WMD’s are now located in Iran.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
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Jason is looking into his ‘Kristol Baal’ again..
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmRubbing some salt into Jasons compassionate moral wounds..
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* Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:07 pmNo Rick, the focus should be on dumping your ass in November.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:07 pmPut your misguided hatred for George Bush aside and use your brains and common sense here.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Oh, I assure you my hatred for Bush is very guided. The manis the worst president in the history of the US.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:09 pmAnd you, with your previous posts as evidence, would not know common sense, if it walked up and whacked you between the eyes with a 2×4
Surely, the focus ought to be on hurling this clown out of office in Nov!!>
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:21 pm#55 – OOh, OOh, can I be the 2X4??
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:22 pmAnd Casey would not say that he would have voted NO on going to war in Iraq if he knew then what he knew now the lack of connection between Iraq and 9/11 (if he was voting). That’s based on him saying in 2005 that he would have supported the war. That’s pretty horrible! Why couldn’t he just say that he’d vote no–he was so evasive–really UGLY! Neither of them are particularly appealing.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:28 pmTHat’s right – the DLC dems won’t take a stand on Iraq – they’re gutless spineless – what’s the word for traitor – Quisling – they are Quislings
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:41 pmWilipedia on Quisling –
Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (July 18, 1887–October 24, 1945) was a Norwegian fascist politician and officer. He held the office of Minister President in occupied Norway from February 1942 to the end of World War II, while the elected social democratic cabinet of Johan Nygaardsvold was exiled in London. After the war he was tried for high treason and subsequently executed by firing squad. His name has become an eponym for traitor, especially a collaborationist
The DLC-won’t-discuss-IRaq democrats are Quislings
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:43 pmTony Soprano pegged him – Sanitorium.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmSantorum was a jerk today – spewing bullshit.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:48 pmCasey was too gentle with him.
Russert asked harder questions than usual, but his follow through was lame. He let Santorum monopolize the discussion.
This further illustrates how the republicans have no plan for dealing with unrest in the middle east. As they continue to slander the Dem’s for ‘not having a viable plan’, they make comments like Santorum’s. My understanding of what this means, and how the administrations foreign policy works: Hop-scotch across the Middle East, destabilizing sovereign governments that pose no imminent threat, destroy their infrastructures, cause suffering to their civilian populations, and wait for them to beg us to rebuild.
When it comes time for us to pony up, end military operations and actually HELP the people we’ve made suffer, we move onto the next military exercise, and failed policy experiments.
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September 3rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmJMH has learned the RNC revised version of talking points well — adapt and change is the new buzz phrase – not the old “stay the course.”
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:51 pmProbably because “stay the course” has become a mockery.
Mehlman repeated the new and improved slogan on MTP two weeks ago, and I see JMH is a good student.
Next, they will all be issued tan shirts and cute little caps.
Good posts today, cmw – lots of good reminders of fact for certain people who don’t read past their daily assignments.
September 3rd, 2006 at 2:53 pmRick is desperate and playing the fear card!
No need to repeat all of the disasters that will happen if we bomb Iran. I just hope they get it over at least 2 weeks before the Nov. election. Then by the time the polls open there will be 10,000+ dead American military people, gas will be at $9.999 per gallon (when you can get it) and the American people will finally see what a disaster the Republicans are.
Why don’t they focus on Canada! Canada is closer to a nookular bomb. Maybe we should make them prove that they do not have a weapons program. After all they could put a bomb on a snowmachine and run it across the border and attack Montana!
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmWe are now focusing on Iran.In what way does the Senator want us to focus?..It is apparnet,he wants us to confront Iran militarily; something most countries do not agree with us on,at least for now. Does the Senator want a war that we start alone tomorrow. We don’t operate in a vacuum..we need every nation in the area to start a war….we need supplies for our troops,gasoline,food..we need their land..We need Europe as a stop from and to USA…we need to protect our troops in IRAQ…..It is easy to start a war…the hardest is to finish it and achieve what you fought for….The ‘Nuclear issue’ is a national issue in Iran….using military can only unite Iranians. Why the Senator does not want to focus on Iraq now..or even Afghanstan…did we finish the mission there? Did the killing stop there ? Did the soldiers come home? Did the dollar spending end on Iraqi war? how one can ignore Iraq..and start talking about initiating another military conflict (with Iran) before we even settled what we have on hand?…Or this is just a ‘politician’s talk’….!! If the Senator talking about sanctions…we have that in place for over 27 years since the Iranian revolution started. The world does not see things the same way Rick Santorum does…otherwise we will be in war already now…Nations are looking for their own interests…it is not ,at least for now, in the interest of Russians,Chinese,Europeans,or Middle Eastern Countries to start a war now…things could change…but the area is the big supplier of oil and gas…Any big war with Iran can push the price of gasoline to $150.00 a barrel..something neither these countries nor us can afford …..May be Senator Santorum can answer this.
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:40 pmYeah its called Israel and the Zionists.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pm#55 Wayne; I want to use a baseball bat-a big one.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:14 pmnote to all talking point parroters:
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:20 pm“stay the course” is no longer operable — the cut n’ run liberals are on to us. please use “adapt and win”. also, put your misguided hatred aside and obey your masters because we know what’s best. and what’s best is a perpetual state of war.
that is all,
karl rove
Okay Ricky – we’ve screwed up our war on one country and now you think we need to focus on another? Isn’t this classic “BAIT AND SWITCH” technique you’re spinning??
I believe the Peter Principle is at play here. We’re in over our heads in Iraq so let’s take on a major player right now? The american public has absolutely NO CONFIDENCE in the cry wolf GOP. They’ve played us like fiddles with their imaginary terror warnings, didn’t heed the “actual” terror warnings pre 9/11, continue to wage a war where there is no REAL enemy (only a perceived emotion) and now want to progress to another debacle? People will not have any of it. They’ve been duped once and will not be duped again.
Santorum is on his way out. Don’t harass him for trying to get some sympathy votes. No matter how you dice it, just listen to him for two minutes and you can see that he has LOSER written all over him.
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:55 pmTerrorists don’t operate in a conventional fashion, with honor and dignity.
Like the Neo-cons do———-LMAO
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:43 pmWhat you liberals fail to realize is that we must adapt and change
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 3, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Translation: The old “Stay the Course” talking point is no longer useful. I know it all too well. I will switch to the new “Adapt and Change” talking point and cleverly accuse liberals of not understanding the nature of the threat, even though they’ve been asking for a change in course for years.
Terrorists don’t operate in a conventional fashion, with honor and dignity.
Translation: I will accuse other of my sins. Like when I accuse liberals of lying.
Iraq was important yesterday, Afghanistan the day before. Today Iran is the problem that must be dealt with.
Translation: I support never-ending war, and bombing whatever country my Dear (mis)Leader tells me, whether or not it is an actual threat to the US.
The WMD’s in Iraq were moved as well. No doubt Osama and the WMD’s are now located in Iran.
Translation: Or Syria, or Lebanon, or Uzbekistan -or whatever other country my Leader has a peeve with. I don’t really care. I am over here, they’re over there and I can’t pick them out in a map anyway.
the WMD’s could wind up in Lebanon, Syria, or worse, American soil, and then we’d have another 9/11 all over again.
Translation: I think WMD can be easily transported from one country to another in Glad containers (TM), no special gear needed. The only evidence I have of anything I say is my own feverish imagination.
Put your misguided hatred for George Bush aside and use your brains and common sense here.
Translation: Common sense means that whatever outlandish scenario I come up with needs to be addressed. Using your brains means checking under your bed for them big, bad Muslims before going to sleep.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:06 pmReally, Jasons rantings bear no resemblance to reasoning. A six year old has more rational thought than this guy.
The middle east responses to being attacked and the face of terrorism are moving in very predictable ways. People don’t like being attacked and fear makes them support extremist positions (i.e. people who they think can protect them).
It works the same way in this country…….
Otherwise wouldn’t Republicans be using a different strategy than trying to scare everyone that if they lose, the boogeymen will get us all!!!
There is no changing face of terrorism, its the same old BS.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:33 pmWhat you liberals fail to realize is that we must adapt and change to the dynamics of the SCARY MONSTER threat.. Put your misguided hatred for George Bush aside and use your brains and common sense here.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 3, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Jason, there is a SCARY MONSTER in the closet and if you don’t do as I say it will come out and eat you, your sister and you mom and daddy. So here is what I want you to do……..
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:56 pmhe WMD’s could wind up in Lebanon, Syria, or worse, American soil, and then we’d have another 9/11 all over again.
umm, Jason, if you remember, I know your memory is selective, the Republicans sent Saddam alot of those WMD…And well really a flock of sheep can be WMD. And really Jason there were something like 2o new tunnels found under the Mexican border, since 9/11 complete lights air-conditioning and ventilation systems. Tons of Illegal things. And you really think now, after 30 years of this, is the time to start worrying?
Buck up pal, Our borders are pretty much indefensible from such small packages. Hell, you could probably Fed X some WMD much easier..what you need is negotiation here, not more war.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:57 am#36-cmw-Sept. # 1:09 p.m. I just thought it was important to clarify, before the trolls attack. Bill Clinton graduated from Georgetown University, received a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University, and then attended Yale Law School. Hillary Clinton graduated from Wellesley College, she was also the Valedictoian, then attened Yale Law School. GWB attended Yale University, then attended Harvard Business School. That all I wanted to say.
September 4th, 2006 at 3:49 am* Valedictorian- sorry
September 4th, 2006 at 3:51 amIran and Japan close to oil deal
Iran and Japanese firm Inpex say they are close to finalising a joint project to develop a big new Iranian oil field.
Both sides say they are less than two weeks away from final agreement over the Azadegan field, which is one of the world’s largest untapped oil reserves.
Any deal will no doubt raise eyebrows in the US which wants sanctions against Iran due to Tehran’s nuclear ambitions.
While Japan is totally reliant upon oil imports, Iran is the world’s fourth largest crude producer.
September 4th, 2006 at 4:07 amLETS FACE IT WAR AINT GONNA HAPPEN SO JUST STOP THE WAR MONGERING MAKES AMERICA LOOK LIKE FOOLS
Terrorism Prosecutions Drop to Near Pre-9/11 Levels
Analysis Shows a Spike After 9/11, Then a Steady Decline
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 4, 2006; A06
Justice Department prosecutions of international terrorism cases, which surged in volume after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, have nearly returned to the levels seen prior to the hijackings, according to an independent analysis of government data released yesterday.
The study of data by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC), an affiliate of Syracuse University in New York, also showed that as many as nine out of 10 terrorism investigations do not result in prosecutions, that most charges are not related to terrorism and that only about a third of those prosecuted end up in prison.
The findings, based on data compiled by the Justice Department’s Executive Office for United States Attorneys, echo previous analyses by The Washington Post and others showing that most defendants in terrorism cases are charged with crimes unrelated to terrorism and that many serve little or no prison time.
TIME TO GO HOME GUYS:>)
September 4th, 2006 at 4:13 amWe should focus on Iran? How about North Korea? Darfur? Sudan? Gaza? Israel? Nepal? That’s for as for as you want to focus on so-called ”terrorism” or ”dictators”, although you could find plenty inside the White House itself. But how about we focus on poverty in Africa and China? Or AIDS? Perhaps environmental pollution? Company fraud? Future energy supply? America has enough nukes to blast the world 1000 times over but Iran can’t have them? America can attack nations pre-emtively but other nations can’t even get weapons of mass destruction? Something inside me is telling that things are not going too honestly at the UN… I am not sure however, call it a hunch. lol. American imperialism is the real driving force behind terrorism and since America will never change it’s ‘way of life’ – even if it kills the forrests, depletes the oil reserves and pollutes all clean air, while endangering the world for nuclear rampage – the world will never achieve peace, nor ecology, nor fairness, nor reason, nor honesty, nor safety. Thank you America. WWII has made you all so cocky you can’t even admit you’re destroying the world.
September 4th, 2006 at 5:00 amI’ve seen very few comments that resulted in as many smacks as Jason’s here, very amusing all the way around
Jason, lets take this through in sentences
Usama bin Laden and his fortune helped prop up the Taliban when they ran Afghanistan
Even for the ruling clerics in Iran, the Taliban was a bunch of wingnuts, Iran despised the Taliban and did NOT recognized the Taliban as the legitimate Govt of Afghanistan-Pakistan, the UAE and Pakistan did though
There’s absolutely NO chance the Iranians would offer bin Laden any refuge in the least, and if you’ve got independently verifiable evidence suggesting such a scenario, I advise you to contact the US military about such a blockbuster claim
Jeez, apparently the best way to battle “Islamic Fascists” doesn’t entail overthrowing a secular dictator and replacing the Iraqi Power structure with Mullahs seeking deeper ties with their Iranian Clerical Brethren
In order for any military strike at Iran’s supposed nuclear related facilities, those facilities will have to be discovered and targeted by ground forces for the bombers to come in and do their thing
Now please explain just where the necessary troops for any such Iran ground campaign will come from while we’re still bogged down in both Iraq & Afghanistan at current troop levels, short of a draft of course, especially as I don’t see ANY other countries on board with military strikes against Iran & Syria
Even better, please explain why any such US campaign won’t immediately result in Iran & Syria’s lashing back at the nearest US presence, and that would be the US troops in Iraq, the same troops W deliberately sent into battle without enough effective body & vehicle armor
Those troops are already battling insurgents, terrorists in training, militias & death squads, do you really think the US public would approve of adding Iran and Syria to the already overtaxed US Military’s “To Do” list?
Also, what makes anyone think Russia & China will just sit around and let W do anything he wants without paying a heavy price in return?
Considering China’s counting on Iran to help provide oil for it’s growing economy, why in the world would they tell W to “go ahead & hit Iran, we won’t mind a bit”?
n, China wouldn’t even have to fire a shot to hurt the US, since they’re the second largest holder of US Debt-#1 is Japan-they could tell W not only would it be a shame if China wasn’t able to buy more US debt at the weekly auctions offered by the Treasury Dept, but that it would be even worse if they had to start unloading their US debt should any kind of military strike against Iran & Syria occur
I find it incredibly mirthful that this Administration’s lackeys/shills/apologists keep wanting to invade countries NOT bearing WsMD while at the same time knowing exactly where the WsMD really are
Here’s a hint
Why don’t we invade the countries that have the actual WsMD instead?
As long as W’s bogged down in the Iraqnam Quagmire, there will be NO US attack on Iran, either aerial or ground based, and since W’s already said that it will be up to his successors to clean up another W-inspired mess-IE The troops won’t be leaving Iraq while W’s President-then I wouldn’t be holding anyone’s breath as to whether such a raid is likely or imminent
As was pointed out with an earlier reply in this thread, there’s also the matter of logistics, in order to supply the US troops that would take part in any such invasion
For those military supply lines to still serve their purpose, as opposed to coming under fire on a constant basis, we’re going to need dependable allies
Now you tell me, which middle east countries are going to ally themselves with this Administration at this time
There will be NO victory, or permanent US bases, in Iraq when all is said & done. The US will be forced into a military withdrawal that will be even more humiliating than Vietnam’s was
Oh, one more thing
If stopping terrorists was such a priority for W, why did he shut down the CIA’s unit devoted to catching or killing Usama bin Laden?
You remember bin Laden don’t you?
You remember who hit us on September 11 don’t you?
Because W sure as hell doesn’t, that can be the only reason he so foolishly decided to give al-Qaeda, the Taliban and bin Laden a breather while invading Iraq, cutting & running from finishing the job in Afghanistan
September 4th, 2006 at 5:05 amLook the next Republican/Neo-Fascist talking point is going to be…”There aren’t any WMD’s in Iraq because they moved them to Iran.” and then it’s going to be “Iran is days away from building a nuclear bomb.” Then it’s going to be “Look we didnt know they didnt have the WMD’s but whats done is done so just trust us to clean this mess up.”
September 4th, 2006 at 5:11 amThe Art of Peace
Santorum: ‘I Think The Focus Should Not Be Iraq, It Should Be…
PEACE
“In your training, do not be in a hurry, for it takes a minimum of ten years to master the basics and advance to the first rung. Never think of yourself as an all-knowing, perfected master; you must continue to train daily with your friends and students and progress together in the Art of Peace.â€
~ Morihei Ueshiba
September 4th, 2006 at 8:21 amFounder of the Martial Art of Aikido
from The Art of Peace
ever notice in this site when a good post comes up ,,, some guy from the whitehouse adds a long speel post as to hide the post half a mile up the postings … how to catch a whitehouse spin doctor eh KingCranky
September 4th, 2006 at 10:59 amWhere is the applause from the left on the effective handling of Iran’s nuclear weapon threat by the UNs’ paragon, Secreatry General Koffee???
September 4th, 2006 at 1:49 pm#21 IMPOSTER
Again, the timestamp occurs when I was in the middle of a poker tournament.
Typical of my detractors. They are unable to debate me, so they impersonate me to inject statements they require for their strawmen.
September 4th, 2006 at 3:39 pmYup, we’ve totally f****d up Iraq, so let’s move on to Iran.
September 4th, 2006 at 4:05 pmHey what happened to post 91, 92, 93 and 94 ???
September 4th, 2006 at 8:40 pmOh, yeah, Hendler, you just read about 10 libs getting hijacked and you are whining. At least your imposter sounded like you.
September 4th, 2006 at 9:58 pmWhat a ignorant fool. He blames the sectarian violence on Iran? Good lord, I know more than these baboons. Republicans need to pick up a book or two during their life time. They have no idea, no idea, someone needs to hold up an encyclopedia up to Republican’s eyes.
Dur. We are just dealing with EXTREMELY IGNORANT people. They have no idea what is going on, they are just scared wit less.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:13 pmThe only book we patriotic Americans need is the good book!!
/sarcasm
September 4th, 2006 at 10:25 pmWhy doesn’t someone finally just stick Santorum’s head in a toilet full of turds where it belongs?
September 5th, 2006 at 3:10 pmIt doesnt matter anyway. The Decepticons(Neocons) will win. They have already fixed the Diebold voting machines, they won last time because of Senate redistricting, they will win again. Your vote doesnt count.
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