ABC Planning Massive Free Distribution of 9/11 Docudrama
ABC Planning Massive Free Distribution of 9/11 Docudrama
ABC is planning a massive free distribution of its planned docudrama The Path to 9/11, including sending letters to 100,000 high school teachers encouraging them to have their students watch the series. Variety magazine reports:
[ABC is] allowing consumers to download the complete miniseries — for free — via Apple’s iTunes Music Store. Mini also will be streamed for free via ABC.com, and XM Radio has pacted with the network to make an audiocast of the film available to its subscribers. [...]
To spread the word about “Path to 9/11,” ABC is sending 100,000 high school educators a letter from 9/11 Commission co-chair Tom Keane informing them of the various platforms on which the mini is available. ABC and Scholastic have pacted to produce an online study guide.
ABC has also made deals to have the docudrama aired internationally, including in Britain on BBC and in India.
Most American high school students weren’t even teenagers when the 9/11 attacks occured. Now ABC is trying to present those students — and scores of people around the world — with its slanted and inaccurate version of history, which blames President Clinton for 9/11 while whitewashing the failures of the Bush administration. The events leading up to September 11, 2001 are too important to play politics with the facts.
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Time to sue the slandering and libeling ABC.
September 5th, 2006 at 12:58 pmMaybe we can finally see the true power of the blogosphere if everybody will join in.
http://dontbealemming.com/2006/09/05/abc-dispensing-republican-propaganda.aspx
Posted by the Lemming Herder at Don’t Be A Lemming!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:00 pmPROOF THAT THIS IS A REPUBLICAN ADVERTISMENT HIT PIECE AND ALSO THAT ABC CAN’T GET SPONSORS TO SIGN ON TO SUCH UN-AMERICAN EVIL!
After originally announcing its intention to air “The Path to 9/11″ with limited commercial interruption, the network now will air both parts of the $30 million Harvey Keitel starrer without any advertising.
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=story&articleid=VR1117949477&categoryid=14&cs=1&s=h&p=0
Variety magazine
September 5th, 2006 at 1:00 pmThis ABC thing about 9/11 grows creepier daily > Bush Regime and GOP are really pushing this propaganda to shove 9/11 blame onto Clinton, so why is Bill silent about the lies?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:01 pmGot to give rove credit, he does manage to keep one step ahead of the dems when it comes to taking control of issues and forcing them to spend time, energy and money to refute lies. This is Swift Boating at another level, and dems better have an effective response plan ready to go.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:03 pmIf I didn’t know better I would think you were spoofing ABC. Who’s running ABC these days, Joseph Goebbels?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:07 pmWho is the proper person to contact at ABC?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:07 pmit does appear ABC has become a bad joke now.
anyone that would put crap out like this is desparate to recover their funds from a bad investment
pure money and pure crap. like soup and sandwich?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:08 pmBest thing is for nobody but Bush lovers to watch the ABC propaganda piece on 9/11 > 60% of Americans must refuse to watch it > let the 40% nuts get their fix on stupidity > lol.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:09 pmAwesome! Now I can watch the show on my iPod while you libs seethe! Thanks for sharing!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:11 pmPlease see Kos for this post and this one about the Scholastic documents.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:12 pmI am getting really PISSED! This crosses so many lines. Where are Berger and/or Clinton?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:13 pmAlthough I am no fan of Bush – and we all know about the CYA “bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US” briefing weeks before 9/11 – Clinton did drop the ball on bin Laden. The Saudi – with many connections to the Bush crime family – declared holy war on the US in the mid-to-late 90s, and Clinton could have taken it more seriously, to say the least. This is not to say that Bush isn’t just as responsible – or arguably more so – or that the ABC docudrama is at all fair, but to say that Clinton did not mess up on bin Laden is delusional. People lose credibility when they refuse to factor in all relevant facts, not just ones that fit in with preconcieved ideas. Hold Clinton responsible for his part and Bush for his part. They both messed this thing up.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:15 pmPost 12 > ever since Bill Clinton has hung out with Bush Senior, he seems to have lost his mind, or been paid off > if Bill got paid to take a fall for Bush Junior, then I hope the 30 pieces of silver was worth Bill’s soul?!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:16 pmI believe you spelled Tom Kean’s name incorrectly.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:19 pmHere is the only place I’ve found so you can tell ABC where to go.
http://thinkprogress.org/tellabc
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September 5th, 2006 at 1:19 pmHigh school teachers? That’s just wrong..
When I was in high school we weren’t even allowed to go into any depth what so ever on the history of the Vietnam War because there’s too many who served that are still alive from it and it’s still a topic of contentious debate.
But hey, let’s go ahead and brainwash kids with this psuedo-documentary!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:21 pmEveryone is bashing the director, however no one has mentioned who financed this film. Unless this was all donated time etc, there has to be backers to pay the bills.
WHO FINANCED THIS FILM? WHO IS PAYING THE BILL
September 5th, 2006 at 1:25 pmPost 17 > brainwashing is what Bush wants for America > only way he can become Orwell’s Big Brother from 1984 book > be very afraid for US!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:26 pmSeptember 5th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
I used the contact form supplied by ThinkProgress to inform ABC that I have called my cable television provider and have had the signals to ESPN, ESPN2, ABC Family, ABC and Disney removed from my cable package. And I also told them that my family is through vacationing at all Disney owned resorts.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:29 pmI urge everone else to do the same.
Post 18 > obviously the Bush Regime backers and GOP affiliated creeps payed for the docudrama > ABC is just a paid whore to air the damn thing!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:29 pmSo, what happens if a teacher does use the film and also balances it with Michael Moore’s film or some other opposing documentary? Look for reprisals unless teachers follow the script.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:30 pm#16 Thanks. I want to write and tell them thanks for showing it. I will remind them at the end of the day the people will decide whether there is bias or not. I watched Moore’s BS film. I never preached that it should not be shown even though it turned out to be filled with lies. The Left fears this film because they fear the truth and the truth is their biggest obstacle in a return to power.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:30 pmSo, the USA has devolved into a land inhabited by people willing to accept lies and propaganda.
as if that wasn’t apparent when it elected a Chimp.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:30 pmActually, it would make a great basis for a unit on fiction as history. Preceed this film with reading 1984. Follow the film with Fahrenheit 9/11. Then have the students do the research on the factual basis behind each film. Afterwards, they can write a comprehensive report on the relative accuracy of each film, and compare Disney’s work to that of Winston Smith.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:30 pmSoon there will be only one tv channel……the fascist government’s channel.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:31 pmI watched Moore’s BS film. I never preached that it should not be shown even though it turned out to be filled with lies.
Comment by Ben — September 5, 2006 @ 1:30 pm
Ben, thank you for your kind, understanding post. But, do pray tell, what lies were in F9/11? Please provide links.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:34 pmAgain, thank you
Hey why not. Next why not teach future generations that there’s no such thing as evolution and the Rapture is coming? Oh wait…
September 5th, 2006 at 1:35 pmWhen, in the history of commercial television, has a company ever done a giveaway of this scope? Anybody?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:36 pmHere come the “Clinton conspiracy theorists”.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:37 pm28 BF
September 5th, 2006 at 1:38 pmTHAT would be a great lesson – could a teacher in today’s political climate get away with it? I have my doubts and my fears.
DOWNLOAD OFTEN AND HARD. LET THE MF’s PAY FOR THE BANDWIDTH.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:40 pm#28 – Great idea. And after showing it, they can use it in chem lab to see how it might be affected by a sulphuric acid bath.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:40 pm#30
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
September 5th, 2006 at 1:41 pmRUCerious > this is NO giveaway by ABC > this just proves they are being PAID by Bush/GOP to play the docudrama propaganda crap on 9/11 attack that lays the blame on Bill Clinton!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:42 pmThis is waayyy over the edge.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:44 pmIf abc is gonna openly be part of this, they need to feel the wrath of the people.
I would suggest starting with the top dog.
Jay – Yup! I was just asking if anyone had seen a distribution (free) of any other material? Ever? I can’t seem to remember any precedent for this type of activity, regardless of who paid for it…
September 5th, 2006 at 1:45 pmBTW – before anyone takes me to task on my sulphur bath blurb, I know, I know, it’s an electronic download, I just couldn’t resist the imagery of film bubbling in an acid bath…
September 5th, 2006 at 1:47 pmScholastic used to be the “good housekeeping seal of approval” for classroom materials. Tell Scholastic that their promotion of propogranda will premanently impact your trust of their materials.
Jeffrey Mathews, Vice President, Investor Relations or Tonia Bellamy at 212-343-6741 or via email at investor_relations@scholastic.com
September 5th, 2006 at 1:48 pmi dont understand why they are going thru so much trouble when the polls are fixed anyways. :|
September 5th, 2006 at 1:48 pmThis is where parenting comes in – my seven year old knows all about Bush and his lies, and would never fall for it. In fact, he tells his little friends (to the horror of my yuppie neighbors, I am sure) that Bush lied us into the war. My four year old refers to W as a “doorknob”. :-)
#28 – that’s a great idea, and if I were a teacher, I would go for it – damn the consequences.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:48 pmThis asshole Cyrus Nowrasteh, the writer/producer, is long in opinions.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:49 pmIt’s official – the media are owned by the state (CIA).
September 5th, 2006 at 1:50 pmHere’s the content of my letter, for what it’s worth:
Dear Mr. Iger:
It has come to my attention that ABC plans to air a two-part mini-series called “The Path to 9/11″ on September 10 and September 11.
I understand that key scenes have already been debunked by Mr. Richard Clarke who should probably have a better understanding and recollection of what led up to 9/11 than any movie director, screenwriter, producer or film editor. That information alone is enough to tell me that this portrayal of incidents leading up to 9/11 is not only inaccurate, but a concerted effort to deflect blame from the Bush administration who, by the way and in case you have forgotten, was in “charge” of our nation’s security and protection on September 11, 2001.
I expect only a canned response to this e-mail as any media outlet that would condone airing such outrageous lies about one of this nation’s greatest tragedies (which remember — we ALL witnessed!) would probably not deem it necessary to respond in an original manner.
Please note that I’m a VERY good consumer and have participated in many marketing surveys for both products and services. Airing this “documentary” (and I use the term loosely) would significantly effect my impression of any advertisers or sponsors of ABC/Disney programming.
Just to let you know, I haven’t shopped in Target stores since last October due to their continued support in allowing their pharmacists (in the guise of “religious beliefs”) to deny women certain medications prescribed by their physicians.
And I loved to shop at Target. And I also used to love to watch “Dancing with the Stars”.
But I’m very disciplined and there are too many other merchants that are just as happy to see my money. I guarantee you, I can excercise the same discipline when it comes to ABC/Disney sponsors and advertisers.”
September 5th, 2006 at 1:51 pmThis is not curriculum and ABC should not be tryong to show it in schools. If the PARENTS want their children to watch it they can do so at home.
I repeat I as a parent do not permit a school to show my daughter meda propaganda in an environment of learning.
And if they show this in schools, then they should also be required to show michael moores film as well.
NEITHER of these films should EVER been shown to Kids in school ever, that is the parents decision and if they want they can order or rent a copy to watch at home!!!
Docudramas, of any type, do not belong in school!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:52 pmFacts and truth are the keystones to education, not have baked documentaries created by a activists of any group!!
Really, that is a legitamite question: “Who is paying for this?” Air time on a major station is not free or cheap. We don’t need assumptions on WHO is footing the bill — we NEED to know who it is… because with the way these people operate, it could very well be coming out of your TAX dollars in some major way.
Like the idea of being the one paying for this (or any) propoganda?
It would also make the issue MUCH clearer if the backers of the DISTRIBUTION and AIRING of this were known. Much clearer.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:54 pmTime to leave America and let the Hitler youth destroy themselves again..enjoy your trip into hell and death neo-nazis!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:54 pm#37 see also- http://michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16
September 5th, 2006 at 1:54 pm#26, Gee, Ben, I don’t recall a major television channel using the public’s airwaves to broadcast F911 so that people could watch it for free, do you?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:56 pmJay Randal,
The Clintons are part of the Carlyle Group, just like the Bushes are. He didn’t change, he has always been about the war profiteering also. He is just as bad as they are. He is just smarter, so his evil side doesn’t show.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:56 pmPost 49 > Bush wants school kids to be brainwashed, so they will turn their parents in for thought crimes against Brother Bush! America is 1984!
September 5th, 2006 at 1:57 pmWasn’t ABC/Disney the company that refused to distribute Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 911 but were more than happy to take on Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#25
Its obvious this is a corporate funded, NeoCon sponsored film. With the elections coming up, this is very timely. The NeoCon’s can continue to crank out propaganda films all day long whenever they fear a defeat in an election.
I know this BUT the question is still WHO IS PAYING THE BILLS
When Kerry was swifboated the people behind the scenes were exposed as Republican shills. I am sure the same applies here. The backers, all of them, need to be exposed.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:00 pmSpudge_Boy > yes I realize that Clinton worked for the same sludge as Bush does, but he has to get paid extra to take the fall for 9/11 fiasco!
September 5th, 2006 at 2:02 pmSo when does network TV count as educational? A docu-drama, with the emphasis on “drama” is being counted as educational???? On this basis alone, I fear for the next generation. Corporations are now infiltrating our schools with orwellian propaganda at an alarming rate. Cable in the classrom is a farce. Another way to stuff the corprate agenda down our youth’s throats… But this…This takes all of this to a new low…
The same network that produces, “Desperate House Ho’s” is now trying to rewrite the views our youth have about this tragic day in American history. Are they getting a balanced view? NO. Is F 9/11 being distributed also? NO. How about loose change 2nd edition? NO.
So, what does Bush say about this? The “uniter” not a “divider” I am the “decider” in command? Was there also a documentary on the failures of Katrina? Oh, I’m sorry…we worried more about a pissy tropical storm on it’s anniversary…or was that what the networks were told to tell us to worry about…
1984 is here.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:03 pmHey could you imagine an army made up only of bush supporters? A bunch of lazy corporate fat cats and Chicken Hawks? Falwellians and Coullters? Think tanks and Perles? Media pundits? LMAO they would be destroyed in nothing flat.
Well the fat cats better wise up cause the poor losers won’t be fighting this next war, it will be the fat cats. Wise up O’ bush supporters it’s the poor man that keeps you fat dumb and happy??
September 5th, 2006 at 2:03 pmThe letters ABC will never appear on my TV again. Nor will I purchase any products sponsoring this program.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:05 pmNeo-conism is a sickness!!
Study of Bush’s psyche touches a nerve
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1017546,00.html
Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday August 13, 2003
The Guardian
A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in “fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity”.
As if that was not enough to get Republican blood boiling, the report’s four authors linked Hitler, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan and the rightwing talkshow host, Rush Limbaugh, arguing they all suffered from the same affliction.
All of them “preached a return to an idealised past and condoned inequality”.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:06 pm==
sound familiar?
#55 the dailykos should say the dailylies.
That is cleary right at the top of twisting truth. Just the lying about the night of the 2000 elections is enough. I remember that night. Michael Moore’s F911 film lies about that evening. You are a complete fool if you dispute that.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#53 I think that should have shown Moore’s F911. I do not fear listening even to lies. Apparently though the Left fears this being seen.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:12 pmhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1017546,00.html
Sounds like an organized hypocrisy [OCH]…oh wait it is!
September 5th, 2006 at 2:14 pm#53 I think that should have shown Moore’s F911. I do not fear listening even to lies. Apparently though the Left fears this being seen.
Comment by Ben
I could care less who watches it, only watch it at home or in the theater, like the people did to see to moores film.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:16 pmSeems like all think progress is doing is giving the movie a lot of free publicity.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:16 pmA fictionalized version of the buildup to 9/11 should be discussed in schools? As fiction, yes, right next door to “Creation Science.”
September 5th, 2006 at 2:17 pm#66 Ben What part about this does not seem unusual to you? The film being seen is not a problem. Let it be seen, and with the same regard as is given any other piece of partisan propoganda (F911 included in that… ). But being seen for free? Hello – stations do not offer free airtime. SOMEONE is paying. Distributing it for free? Again, someone is paying. WHO is paying? That will explain quite a lot. And what does a docudrama have to do with education? And it is not just being offered, it is being offered to the teachers with a bit of nudging. This is NOT “educational material” any more than F911 is.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:19 pmDistribute this video around the net and to your friends off the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glaYJzeGK7I
September 5th, 2006 at 2:20 pmMichael Eisner the CEO of Disney is a stinking wealthy GOP creepo, so no wonder he would have ABC play propaganda on 9/11 for the Bush Regime! I will never go to Disney World, EPCOT, or any other Disney theme park > boycott every Disney product and their movies as well! Walt Disney, if he was still alive, would slap the snot out of Eisner and fire him!
September 5th, 2006 at 2:21 pmApparently though the Left fears this being seen. Comment by Benâ€
Ben I read the whole 560 pages or so of the 9/11 report, why does anyone need to see it spun by the media?
Did you read that report ben?
Did you know that Bush had 47 pages redacted from it?
There was not mention of Able Danger in it.
There was no mention of Sibel Edmonds
There was no mentiion of the worker burned by an explosion
There was no mention of the able danger program that knew of several of the terrorists?
There was no mention of that day being a airplane into builiding exercise.
Such is why the Bush admin excuse that it was a lack of imagination is an outright lie.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:23 pmThis is really creepy. Why would ABC do all of this for free? Airing it with no sponsors seems really weird too. There must be someone ponying up for this. I would like to know who and how much. ABC the new catapault for the propaganda.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:25 pm#48 Jane-Al..I write to the networks all the time and NEVER get a response. So don’t hold your breath.
But you echo an idea I share with anyone who’ll listen. VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS. Money is the only language they understand.
When you vote with your dollars you get the opportunity to vote every day.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:27 pmSueing or banning ABC or Disney will not work. What we need to do is a nationwide boycott of all those who sposor and let them know why we are boycotting those products.
So just boycott all products advertised by ABC or Disney…….
Curtis Eller
September 5th, 2006 at 2:28 pmI do not fear listening even to lies. -Ben
Whatever that means…sounds pretty messed up, guess you got one of them tin-foil limbaugh truth detectors in your head?
When I hear a lie I change the channel or ignore those who spew it. You should fear lies because lies is what is killing thousands of people in Iraq, many American. Because of lies.
I bet those people wish they had never listened to a lie, because they apparently can’t tell the difference bewteen that and truth..
September 5th, 2006 at 2:29 pm“no sponsors”
Yes think about that..No Sponsors. In America nearly everything is sponsored, Nascar etc etc etc…
Now why is no GOP or Democrats sponsoring this?
Why because it’s a centrist agenda!!!
Damn Ben wtfu.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:32 pmCurtis I am willing to boycott any product affiliated with this propaganda on ABC, but they claim no corporate sponsors are involved, so just GOP!
September 5th, 2006 at 2:32 pmJust a reality check… if we’re going to say that Clinton screwed up with killing Bin Laden because of the interns, then what’s Bush’s excuse? Too busy milking donors and scaring people sh|+less with the terrorists he’s not catching? He’s had almost six years and two wars… You’ve got your choice of “Malice” or “Incompetence,” but either suggests that any alternative has a good chance of being better.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:33 pmI have already given minblue the “OK” to toss into the trash anything from Scholastic re:9/11
If the teacher cares to show it, she will be given a note excusing her from going to class.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:33 pmI wrote ABC and Scholastic.
This is ridiculous!
These media idiots, along with bushco, are the true enemy of both the Democrats and the Republicans.
Cmon over to the light side Ben..
September 5th, 2006 at 2:34 pmBen? Hello Ben? Still here, Ben?
September 5th, 2006 at 2:34 pmAw common lil buddy. don’t go away mad! We’re just trying to engage you in a little honest debate. You know, where one side has facts and the other side has…..ummmmm, ummmmmm, errrrrrrr, Rush’s talking points???
Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts for a docudrama!
I don’t know why everyone has their panties in a bunch, we did get to show the world Fahrenheit 9/11 long before this shit came out. And they tried to follow it with a swiftboat piece that didn’t even get seen. I’m sure this crap ABC is putting out will fall flat..especially to international audiences who aren’t as brain dead as our red state viewers who watch things like “My name is Earl” and “Desperate Crackwhores.”
September 5th, 2006 at 2:35 pm9/11 Missing Scene:
Bush: still sitting in an elementary school chair on the morning of 9/11 following the impact of an air plane into one of the WTC towers — an unprecedented event with obvious loss of life and unquestionably the biggest new story in some time. He decides to continue with a meaningless photo-op.
Andrew Card (WH Chief of Staff): leans down to the president and informs him “America is under attackâ€
Bush: minutes tick by, children participate in a elementary school reading exercise, and still the Command in Chief sits unperturbed after being informed, “America is under attack†and knowing of a catastrophic event in NYC that has cost an unknown number of lives.
Narrator: As we watch the President of the United States do nothing on the morning of 9/11 many have wondered, what was he thinking? The only possible conclusions are that either he somehow had foreknowledge of the attack, understood the parameters of the attack and was hence not surprised by being informed of an attack on America; or, we are witnessing the most cowardly act ever record of a man who held his hand on the Bible and taken the oath of office. He is simply lost and does not know what to do and does not even have the intellectual curiosity to ask his Chief of Staff “What do you mean, America is under attackâ€
September 5th, 2006 at 2:35 pm“Michael Eisner the CEO of Disney” – I think he is no longer the CEO of Disney.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:35 pmAt least Michael Moore used actual events then depicted them to show Bush as being clueless. This effort mixes actual events with complete fabrications that is passes off as actual events. This is a line not crossed before and it makes me sick that ABC chooses to do so now. Further, you had to pay to see Michael Moore. ABC uses the public airwaves for partisan purposes. Surely this violates FCC rules, but this FCC will turn the other cheek. We can be sure of that.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:35 pm90. Eisner was canned last year.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:36 pm#89
PS: I forgot to mention, this proves it’s Clinton’s fault.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:37 pm89. Another thing about that – what sitting US president EVER has gone to a school room to read stories? Name one. I was under the impression that was the FIRST LADY’S thing.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:38 pmCan’t some techno savvy person here design a web page where people can pledge to never again watch ABC or buy product from those companies that sponsor ABC programs?
Updated signatures files could be sent to ABC and Sponsors daily… it may not stop the airing of this program but may serve as a future deterrent.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:38 pmYou’ve got your choice of “Malice†or “Incompetence,†but either suggests that any alternative has a good chance of being better.
Comment by JMiller
September 5th, 2006 at 2:39 pm==
You have no credibility Judy Miller..
#94
September 5th, 2006 at 2:43 pmCause bushie’s reading level wouldn’t allow him to read to a higher age group. His audience that day was a perfect mental capability fit for him.
What possible reason could ABC (who is owned by DIsney, who has a long history of doing anything to please the Bush administration for their own financial self-interests) possibly have for pushing this “docudrama” on teenagers who will all be of voting age in the next 1 – 4 years?
Gee, what possible motivation could they have to push a heavily partisan, right-wing smear movie completely void of facts on a group of people who are mostly politically clueless and about to enter voting age?
Hmmm…any ideas?
September 5th, 2006 at 2:47 pmABC Media Relations:
Patrick Preblick
Email:
patrick.k.preblick@abc.com
Telephone:
(212) 456-7819
Jonathan Hogan
Email:
jonathan.hogan@abc.com
Telephone:
818 460-7016
Erin Felentzer
September 5th, 2006 at 2:58 pmEmail:
erin.felentzer@abc.com
Telephone:
818 460-6642
I find it interesting that six years into his presidency no one has thought to mention that Bush has been pursuing Bin Laden for longer than Clinton did and with far more resources. 6 years of pursuing the 6′5″ tall lefthanded bearded man in flowing white robes and nothing to show for it. Very interesting indeed.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:00 pmGot to give rove credit, he does manage to keep one step ahead of the dems when it comes to taking control of issues and forcing them to spend time, energy and money to refute lies
Now why would you give credit to a liar?
This is like a lying child and the parent telling them it’s okay to lie. Why would anyone allow a person of high political office, republican or democrat to Lie? Isn’t this what got libby in trouble?
Not only is Rove a child, he is an unprofessional and mentally deficient child who hates 70%+ of America. Hardly a fitting image for our children and our Natrional Pride. In Fact Roves lies have damaged our National Pride and how we are seen in the Worlds eyes. No, nothing good comes from lies, ask Hitler.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:08 pmwell… needless to say it will be great rating..
i’ll be tuning in….
maybe you guys can hope Sandy Berger manages to stuff the master copy of the documentary in his pants why coincidently perusing (sp) ABC studios on 9/10…
face it, to actually put a visual to what one doesn’t want to acknowledge, drives you guys nuts… terrorism wasn’t taken seriously till after 9/11… and how fully some eyes…
I mean look at that masterpiece michael moore put out… you can only hope this one does as well ;)
September 5th, 2006 at 3:10 pmLets get to the bottom of this Government sponsored propaganda spewed at us from the Times of Reagan and WHY.
Rumsfeld’s Roadmap to Propaganda
September 5th, 2006 at 3:11 pmIn light of recent media coverage of alleged propaganda activities by the military in Iraq, … including Reagan’s NSD-77 in 1983, Clinton’s PDD-68 in 1999, …
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/
Go after Apple! Thanks to the Pixar deal, Jobs is the largest single shareholder in Disney, and ABC will be providing this dreck on iTunes. So Apple is complicit in the lie.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:11 pmABC’s parent company, Disney, attempted to kill Michael Moore’s movie “Fahrenheit 911″ because it was deemed to politically partisan.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:17 pmWhy, now, has Disney become so willing to air the partisan works of a right wing extremist?
There is a shameless duplicity at work here.
100…
yeah that is very interesting… no one ever thought Clinton to pass up anything that crossed over or let alone under his desk… but he did with Bin Laden… with far less resources
September 5th, 2006 at 3:17 pmface it, to actually put a visual to what one doesn’t want to acknowledge, drives you guys nuts… terrorism wasn’t taken seriously till after 9/11… and how fully some eyes…
Comment by Jonser — September 5, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
Okay….I’ll bite. What in the hayle are you talkling about? How fully some eyes…? You’re being sarcastic, right?
September 5th, 2006 at 3:17 pmTerrorism wasn’t taken seriously till after 9/11?
true, during Bushies watch, it wasn’t taken seriously until after 3000+ citizens died
Heck, he even had a bulletin on his desk stating “OBL determined to strike US”, which of course was not taken seriously
Our government, in all its wise wisdom, thought that America was becoming too ‘liberal’ after the Vietnam debacle that solved little and killed 60,000 soldiers. They saw the public, as too un-warlike.
Reagan and other presidents basically gave the pundits the key to Hate TV. Such is why the explosion of such pedantic hacks and flaming hypocrites such as Coulter. In effect the government condones this spiteful war mongering behavior.
This is why you can be a pundit and want to blow up people and not have to worry about the repercussions. As you know many a person has ended up in jail for so much as emailing a threat to a federal judge, or the President. And this is why Coulter gets away with her government sponsored bush approved hate speech.
SO now you know…
September 5th, 2006 at 3:17 pmWhy, now, has Disney become so willing to air the partisan works of a right wing extremist?
There is a shameless duplicity at work here.
Comment by OxyCon
I reiterate;
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/
Washington, D.C., January 26, 2006 – A secret Pentagon “roadmap” on war propaganda, personally approved by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in October 2003, calls for “boundaries” between information operations abroad and the news media at home, but provides for no such limits and claims that as long as the American public is not “targeted,” any leakage of PSYOP to the American public does not matter.
Obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the National Security Archive at George Washington University and posted on the Web today, the 74-page “Information Operations Roadmap” admits that “information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and PSYOP, increasingly is consumed by our domestic audience and vice-versa,” but argues that “the distinction between foreign and domestic audiences becomes more a question of USG [U.S. government] intent rather than information dissemination practices.”
September 5th, 2006 at 3:19 pm==
WTFU and turn off the TV!!
[...] ABC is also pushing this mockumentary hard to high school students. [...]
September 5th, 2006 at 3:23 pmThis issue could also be relayed to ABC’s competitors, cable and network. I’m sure they would love to sink thier teeth in a little controversy over a rival since there is nothing else going on right now.
And the sponsors would never pull as long as ABC keeps colding them saying everythying will be okay…This will blow over on Sept 12.
ABC would never give this any attention as long as they can contain the fire by shutting the blog down, etc.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:24 pmABC is the new right wing propaganda machine in the schools??? You’ve got to be kidding me.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:26 pmIsn’t this “rewriting history” 101??
September 5th, 2006 at 3:26 pm.” The U.S. government is legally prohibited from conflating these operations by targeting PSYOP activities–intended for foreign audiences–at the American public. 22 U.S.C. § 1461 (Smith-Mundt Act), which created the United States Information Agency (USIA) in 1948, directs that information about the United States and its policies intended for foreign audiences “shall not be disseminated within the United States, its territories, or possessions.”
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ABC is in violation of the Smith-Mundt act.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:27 pmBoycotting ABC is the best medicine.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:27 pmI just remembered that the Pentagon put out a bid request recently to create favorable press about the War in Iraq. Do they have an IOU to pay for this film?
September 5th, 2006 at 3:28 pmThis issue could also be relayed to ABC’s competitors.
Hardlly, it’s aimed at the American public to reinforce the lies..
September 5th, 2006 at 3:28 pmSorry all, no time to read through these comments right now, so if this already been said, please forgive me:
Since when has ABC been the propaganda wing of the Bush Administration?
What the hell are they thinking? Really, am I missing something?
September 5th, 2006 at 3:31 pm[CIA Director] Casey was one of the founders of Cap Cities. Cap Cities bought ABC for $3.5 billion, which was called a “bargain rate†by the trade media. …
September 5th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#99 – here’s the email I just sent to all three of the links (Thanks!)
September 5th, 2006 at 3:32 pmIf your firm does not publish the source of funding of the non-sponsored airing and distribution of this film, I will V-chip ABC right out of my existence.
RUCerious,
I’m glad you mentioned #99, I’ll be sending pissed-off-o-grams after work. Thanks.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:34 pmABC will forget to mention the press conference on 9/11 at the school GW was at. The children as bushes background and that ONE question ask by one of the students “what did you think when you saw the plane hit the building”….Bushes Response: Uh when I walked into the classroom they had a tv on and then I saw that first plane hit…and I just thought it was Pilot-Error” WTF????? Nobody saw that first plane hit until the Naudet brothers gave there tape to the press hours later. LIES LIES LIES
INVESTIGATE 9/11
September 5th, 2006 at 3:36 pmEisner has previously denied that there was anything sinister about Disney’s (ABC) decision to block distribution (of Fahrenheit 911). “We’re such a nonpartisan company,” he said. “[People] do not look for us to take sides.”
September 5th, 2006 at 3:39 pmdon’t forget to sign up on the “Tell ABC” site that Judd provided on his morning post!
September 5th, 2006 at 3:40 pm107
i wonn’t ever say bush got it all together before 9/11… nor excuse our government’s ability to play politics with our lives…
but to organize your impeded administration and post election angst from some sore loser, along with Clinton policies and leftover bureaucrats can be tough in 8 months for Bush. Nevermind Clark wasn’t taken seriously by Clinton either , and nevermind Clinton wouldn’t even meet up with his own FBI director…
But hey if we are going to play conspiracy theory, what was in Sandy Berger’s pants anyway while the 9/11 commision was convening?
Look everyone has plenty of blame to go around… but to deny Bin Laden was in Clinton’s cross hairs twice and did nothing because he was worried about how he would look says alot… and not to mention the many attacks that took place as a precusor…
we can go over the memo a million times… but the same mentality was in place at the time… without specific dates and information… they weren’t going to “shut things down”
September 5th, 2006 at 3:45 pmIronically, post 9/11 the ideas is dates and times be damned… premptive.. and left hates it.
probably an easy guess that showing this in h.s. will drum up support for the war, prompting a mass enlistment in the military…
i am sick to my stomach…
September 5th, 2006 at 3:46 pmthe criminals are in a huge hurry to “finish the job” of destroying our country…
Wake up fellow Christians!!
Close your ears and open your eyes.
Thy words have been corrupted.
“Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?”
“The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name “Lucifer.”
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prompting a mass enlistment in the military…
I doubt that it will create an exodus of republican to the recruitment office. Many of the Republiclans here in Texas are decidedly against this misguided bush course.
The bush base has had 6 years to sign up for this war and they didn’t.
I say we show this ‘docudrama’ in all the private ‘elitist’ schools, maybe the future chicken hawks will enlist, I doubt it.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:56 pmLook everyone has plenty of blame to go around… but to deny Bin Laden was in Clinton’s cross hairs twice and did nothing because he was worried about how he would look says alot…
September 5th, 2006 at 4:00 pm==
And what does this ’say’ Jonser?.
“I don’t know or really care where Osama is” -GWB
126…
katy…
are you saying that children are indoctorined in highschools with all sorts of material from their teachers (gasp)… and because they have no ability to think for themselves and (gasp) that certain material should be up to the parents to decide (gasp)… and not the educators to decide?
well lets get those flavored codoms off those cucumbers, no more public school sanctioned war and immigration protests too.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:03 pmwell lets get those flavored codoms off those cucumbers, no more public school sanctioned war and immigration protests too.
Comment by Jonser
Jonser sounds alot like that pasty phallic worshipper Goldstein…
What does a condom have to do with education?
September 5th, 2006 at 4:06 pmAnd how would you know about flavored condoms Jonser?
September 5th, 2006 at 4:06 pmthey weren’t going to “shut things downâ€
September 5th, 2006 at 4:11 pmIronically, post 9/11 the ideas is dates and times be damned… premptive
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Well of course they weren’t going to shut things down, you cant have a Reichstag fire that way..
128..
i’m still trying to figure out why you guys care… you guys didn’t care when we got zarharii or saddam hussein in iraq, so why do you care about Bin Laden… you guys want Bush. And when Bin Laden is found… (as hard as it was for Clinton couldn’t find Eric Rudolph in the Carolina woods) … there won’t be any credit from you all.. for getting the many just alot of “yeah, but…” Because Islamic fascism is beyond Bin Laden… it is deeper than Bin Ladin… but that’s why you can only point to a quote by Buch without context overall plan… nevermind Bin Laden is resorted to propaganda tapes. But i do admire how the “american” al quaeda guy uses some of the same talking points as you all do… scary stuff… but then again the enemy of my enemy is my friend as the Pakistani proverb goes.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:12 pmBush told reporter Jews are ‘all going to hell’
al advisor Karl Rove reports allegations of anti-semitism by President George W. Bush, RAW STORY has learned.
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Why isn’t the media all over Bush for his anti-semitic remark like they were on Mel Gibson??
This is very Odd…
September 5th, 2006 at 4:14 pm132 Sucka
yes…
a very profound response… with a personal insult… but hey i am at “think progressive” the bastion of free speech and open dialgue about the issues of the day.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:14 pm’m still trying to figure out why you guys care… you guys didn’t care when we got zarharii or saddam hussein in iraq, so why do you care about Bin Laden
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Your putting you limbaugh imagination on others..
I want all of those SAUDIS brought to Justice. Saddam isn’t beiong tried in this Country, but I am sure he will get his just due.
Bush doesn’t care about Osama..I want that SOB caught.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:17 pmAnd quit trying to paint ‘groups’ I am not a democrat.
You sound like a wannabee pundit. A very weak one..
a very profound response… with a personal insult… but hey i am at “think progressive†the bastion of free speech and open dialgue about the issues of the day.
Comment by Joneser
When you quit talking like a media pundit then maybe you will get some respect, as it is you are only repeating the GOP claptrap.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:19 pmYou saying “ALL you guys don’t care”
Is a hugely ignorant and indefensible statement.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:20 pmYOu Jonser, are assuming facts that are not in evidence.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:21 pmSee Jonser I didn’t accuse you of sucking on cucumbers with flavored condoms, I asked how you knew of them..
JHAHAHA
September 5th, 2006 at 4:23 pmyes… and only on source running one conspiracy… good stuff… and only quoting part of the sentence?
September 5th, 2006 at 4:26 pmHitler youth? it’s here, poison young minds again.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:28 pmJust curious, but has anyone found out anything at all about the production company behind this miniseries, UHP Productions, Ltd? The miniseries itself is the only credit listed at the IMDB and I’m unable to turn up a website for it; the only mentions of it seem to be in connection with people writing about the miniseries or in reports from Canadian government sites as it was filing in Toronto as “Untitled History Project” last year.
This whole thing seems like it was dreamed up by Rove and the National Republican Committee with the production company simply a front.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:33 pm140 suka
i never said you did but you can read all about it outside of Raw Story.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39588
September 5th, 2006 at 4:34 pmwhen in doubt…
blam Rove… (yawn)
September 5th, 2006 at 4:36 pmBullsh!t. Maybe the freaking retarded republicans all of a sudden took terrorism seriously, but I don’t know anybody that didn’t take terrorism seriously before 9/11.
The only thing that changed after 9/11 was Bush 9/11 PR campaign.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:44 pm146
RIGHT ON!
September 5th, 2006 at 4:50 pmTook the trolls a while to get their talking points today. Congress coming back off their booze cruise and all. Must have tied up the fax machines all over the Hill.
Get the word out about this to everyone you know. This ‘But Clinton…’ bull honkey has to go. Sure, Clinton may or may not have done all he could, but 9/11 happened in Bush’s first term. To present the facts as otherwise is not only socially damaging, but presents the wrong image to the world about how we view accountability and responsibility.
Don’t let the trolls sidetrack you:
This is NOT about what we liberals/progressives feel is the ‘correct’ truth. This is about an obviously slanted viewpoint of the events of a pivotal point in history being shown FREE to the public, when other films of the same nature were not given the same courtesy. This is not about Michael Moore’s film, this IS about students who are within a few months of being voting age getting shoveled deliberate propaganda under the guise of education.
THis is NOT a partisan issue. This is against ideals and rules that EVERY American should stand for. Stop towing your goddamn party line and help us bring the people responsible for this brazen act to justice. If you love America as much as you claim you do, then get in here and help the people fight against the clear and present dangers to our livelyhood HERE AT HOME.
Some of you people make me sick. The rest of you, keep fighting the good fight. I’m writing letters adn sending emails as we speak.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:57 pmtoast that….
September 5th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#146
Spud boy
Here is just a sample of some of the terrorists acts that happened pre 9/11 with no response from Bubba during his Administration. PR campaign my Ass. The difference is Bush confronts evil and Clinton passes.
*February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.
*Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI’s lower Manhattan headquarters.
*November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian “Party of God”) explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.
*June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.
*August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.
*October 2000: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) blow up the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors.
September 5th, 2006 at 5:02 pmYou know Bush has had 6 years of chasing BinLaden with everything he has, but has not caught him, anyone notice that? Also When Bush got the PDB of August 6th he said it was not specific enough, so what did he do? Nothing of course. Now that’s decisive.
Umm Jonesr here’s something to consider…Terrorism is only taken seriously as a politcal tool now. Actually combating the causes of terrorism is not occuring on any level with this administration. All they are interested in is the kill count. Everyone killed is a terrorist and every group of more than two killed has a senior Al Queda official in it. It’s a wonder Al Queda is still operating with how many senior officials we have killed and how many #2’s we have captured. But at least you admit, in direct contradiction to the adminsitrations claims, that they did not take terrorism seriously until 3,000 people died under their watch. Kind of reinforces the “Bush has a lot to explain crowd”
September 5th, 2006 at 5:03 pm#150
I don’t claim to be the end all know all about these matters, but only one of your incidents happened on American soil. The rest would have required that we truck all over lands ’sensitive’ to Western forces on a wild goose chase. And that would have required Billions of dollars and spuring on anti-American idealouges, for… what clear, tangible benefit?
Most Administrations would try dismiss such proposed actions as sheer and wreckless lunacy.
MOST would.
September 5th, 2006 at 5:24 pm#150 you forgot to mention that most of those perpetrators had been caught & convicted prior to CLinton leaving office. Not the Cole though because that investigation was still underway. I guess that might be why the right hates Clinton because ubder his administration they investigated and went after the actual perpetrators, while under the Bush adminsitration it seems as though the policy is to level any country suspected of possibly helping. That plays well with the base when the country leveled is non-white, non-christian.
You also forgot the non-response to Beiruit and the non-capture/prosecution of those guys.
But since you blame CLinton for the 1993 attack, 30 days after he took office, you must no certainly agree that bush is responsible for an attack that occured 8 months after he took office. Now go tell your friends. (honestly though you are not alone in thinking CLinton is responsible for both. Not a single right winger I have ever met has seen the falacy of that argument.)
September 5th, 2006 at 5:28 pmTo spread the word about “Path to 9/11,†ABC is sending 100,000 high school educators a letter from 9/11 Commission co-chair Tom Keane informing them of the various platforms on which the mini is available. ABC and Scholastic have pacted to produce an online study guide.
I’ll make sure my school District knows this is factually incorrect…
I’ve already suggested to my students that they watch the NOVA presentation instead.
September 5th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWhat planet are you living on? Then again, you only hear what the drive-by-media feeds you. Read below a few of the things that are/have taken place. Then again it’s all talk, and no action, right?
The United States Is Advancing Democracy Around The World. Millions turned out to vote in Iraq and Afghanistan after decades of tyranny, and Afghanistan inaugurated its new freely and fairly elected legislature. Last year, the world has witnessed democratic revolutions in Georgia, Lebanon, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan. When you have governments in place then eventually they can monitor their own people and arrest those suspected of being terrorists. The United States is pursuing a comprehensive strategy for victory in Iraq. To strengthen security, the Coalition and Iraqi security forces are clearing out areas controlled by the enemy, working with Iraqi forces to hold that territory, and following up with targeted reconstruction to help Iraqis rebuild their lives. America is helping Iraqis build inclusive democratic institutions that protect all Iraqis, engage those who can be persuaded to join the new Iraq and marginalize those who never will. What is the Democrat’s plan? They don’t have one, period. Moreover, the Coalition is working with Iraqis to help them build capable and effective Iraqi security forces so that Iraqis can secure their own country. Sounds like a plan to me. Once again, Iraq has made tremendous political progress. In just over two-and-a-half years, Iraqis have gone from living under a brutal tyrant to liberation, free elections, and a democratic constitution. Over 10 million Iraqis voted to elect the only constitutional democratic government in the Arab world. America Is fighting terrorism and safeguarding the homeland. The United States is disrupting conspiracies to attack Americans, destroying the terrorists’ ability to wage war, and stopping proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD). To defend the homeland, the Administration is working to reform the intelligence services and the FBI, training more first responders, and disrupting terrorist cells in our midst with tools like the Patriot Act. You know the one the Democrat’s were so happy that they killed. The United States is hunting down the terrorists in the shadows before they can attack this country again. The President nominated the first Director of National Intelligence (DNI). President Bush signed into law the landmark Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act, which overhauls the intelligence community, mandating a range of reforms and centralizing in one office key authorities. President Bush is combating the spread of WMD. The Administration has established the Global Threat Reduction Initiative, led efforts at the United Nations to adopts UNSCR 1540, freeze assets of WMD proliferators, established the Domestic Nuclear Detection Office, worked with overseas partners to combat proliferation, and developed a comprehensive plan with Russia to secure all nuclear material in Russia two years ahead of schedule. So, it appears that things are getting done. But, what the hey! Go back to your talking points and BS. It doesn’t fly here! I am ROTFL!
September 5th, 2006 at 5:48 pmmaybe…
150…
thanks for laying that out… and since we are on conspiracy theory site… add this extra dimension shall we?
witnesses and sketches pointing a person who appeared muslim and was never found? Or was he…. hmm….
September 5th, 2006 at 5:49 pmyes Clinton did… catch them and prosecute them… in their own countries where they were eventually released… and after they already accomplished their mission.
September 5th, 2006 at 5:52 pmYou people are so full of hate for Bush it’s amazing. You hate Bush more than the terrorists. You cheer the tyrants of the world, and spill your hate for the liberators. It’s fricking amazing! You bad mouth everything and don’t offer an alternatives. And you wonder why most American don’t trust Democrat’s with security. You only need to read some of the BS on this site to realize how out of touch with reality you people are.
September 5th, 2006 at 5:56 pm159
Most americans are people who are fed up with the republican’s plans and ideas on security.
You have not quantified your wild claims with fact, and your earlier attempts at fact were blown out of the water after minimal checking.
It’s always fun to see a neocon flail about after being bludgeoned over the head.
And you’re goddamn right I hate Bush and this Administration more than i hate the ‘terrists’. What have the terrorists ever done to me? I KNOW what this Administration has done to me, so you tell me what the terrorists have done to me that I should hate them so.
Come on, apologist. Bring me your lies.
September 5th, 2006 at 6:19 pmThis is a sick and distorted propaganda effort intended to revise history according to their version fo truth.
September 5th, 2006 at 6:50 pmGeorge Orwell could have taken notes from these guys!!
Pickles are Us
September 5th, 2006 at 7:02 pmThank you for the Email links — I have written to all three with my opinion of them, Disney and ABC.
#161, it’s not that they hate liberals it’s that they hate anyone who is not them, which includes a huge number of people who are not liberals. They also seem to hate the United States as evidenced by their total disdain for the constitution, which is the United States. Their hatred for the US is also in evidence when they all freely admit that they want to further conservative causes and ideals (selfishness seems to be the biggie) rather than furthuring the cause of the US and working for the betterment of the US. Every last one of their leaders is a traitor to the US and the constitution they swore to uphold.
September 5th, 2006 at 7:03 pmWho the hell is Zarharii. Do you mean Zarqawi? If you care so much, how come you don’t know what the hell his name is? Hypocrit.
September 5th, 2006 at 7:23 pmI have taken advice here (#42) and written to Scholastic.
September 5th, 2006 at 7:32 pmBlind hate is an interesting thing indeed.
September 5th, 2006 at 8:24 pmAll 3 major networks Ooze liberal views and ideas and rarely miss an opportunity to bash Bush. But now you have one of the liberal bastions dare to tell the truth and you turn on them as fast as you did poor ole Joe Lieberman.
You are not liberals who really believe in the freedom of speech. You never fail to rant, rave and try to suppress any view that does not fit into your nice neat socialist world. You need to wake up from your drug induced commas and realize that your actions support the enemy and given the chance they would cut your throat just as fast as anyone who does not believe the way they do. I guess that is why you like them so much….. you are so alike.
Funny how you retarded right wingers think that the networks are liberal, when they clearly are not. You would think that the people that are liberal would know liberalism when they hear it. But, you conservative are so freaking smart, you know everything. You probably know what I’m thinking right now.
If you guessed “Steve is a dumbass” you were right!
September 5th, 2006 at 8:42 pm…now you have one of the liberal bastions dare to tell the truth…
Comment by Steve — September 5, 2006 @ 8:24 pm
“tell the truth”??? TELL THE TRUTH????!!!
EVERY DAMN ONE OF THE THREADS DEVOTED TO THIS SUBJECT HAS STATED EXAMPLES OF LIES AND DISTORTIONS OF THIS (new word) CROCK-U-DRAMA…
GO AWAY.
September 5th, 2006 at 8:46 pmHere let me translate Steve’s post
“All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichmarshall
Works good, doesn’t it Steve? Javol!
September 5th, 2006 at 8:49 pm“Funny how you retarded right wingers think that the networks are liberal, when they clearly are not.”
Nice to see when confronted with the truth all that can come from “Your highly educated and brilliant mind” (I know you thought I was complimenting you, but that was called sarcasm”) is a bunch of name calling nonsense. Go do some more drugs and get back to me when you’ve reached that higher plane.
September 5th, 2006 at 8:51 pmSteve, this is a matter not of free speech, but of propaganda disguised as a documentary on the public air waves.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:01 pmABC would not show a documentary on the Iraq war. CBS would not show a documentary on Reagan. Public outcry reminded them that while free speech is a treasure, it is not license for propaganda.
Showing this film might be acceptable, if showing let’s say, Fahrenheit 9/11, would be shown the next night in prime time. Also free and with no commercials.
No attempt is being made by ABC for balance – this is a blatant gift to the RNC, a commercial-free distortion of the truth absolving Bush & Co while blaming an administration of 6 years prior.
“All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.†– Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichmarshall
Works good, doesn’t it Steve? Javol!
Tell them we are being attacked? The whole world is being attacked for not being a radical Musilm. They kill each other just because thier views are a bit different. It is obvious that you are more worried about your own governmant than you are the real enemy. I hope those out there who share this view wake up in time.
Pacifists need to realize that sometimes you have to stand up and use violence against those who mean you harm. How many times would you want to tell me that “violence never solves anything”as Im punching in your face. You think you might reach a point where you would fight back?
How many people of the world have to die before you grow a spine?
September 5th, 2006 at 9:01 pmWho owns the media Steve?
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml
(it’s a very big file and takes a while to load)
Disney
AOL Time Warner
Vivendi Universal
News Corporation
Viacom
Bertlesmann AC
All fine upstanding examples of Liberalism. Maybe if you live on Mars. Can I have some of those drugs you’re on?
September 5th, 2006 at 9:06 pmKeep it up Steve, Goering really would be proud of you.
Newsflash: there are many many millions of Muslims in the world, probably Billions. The majority are not terrorists. The majority are not killing each other. Don’t let things like facts get into the way of your propoganda technique though.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:08 pm“Steve, this is a matter not of free speech, but of propaganda disguised as a documentary on the public air waves.”
Last time I checked the 3 major networks were not government run. It is a freedom of speech issue. One in which you want to supress. The reason Micheal Moore’s film isn’t on TV is because he only wanted to make money.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:09 pmYou would not be calling for this balance if it was a liberal view of 9-11. Truth is you can just choose not to watch.
You have freedom of choice, so use it. But don’t try to suppress the miniseries just because you don’t agree with it.
Just as we are freely expressing our views here.. the views of others should be allowed and encouraged but all to often liberals who profess in having freedom just want it for themselves and limit everyone else.
And don’t insult my courage Steve. You’re most likely the kind of chickenhawk who would never sign up to the miltary himself. Empty guns make the loudest noise, after all.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:09 pmAnd don’t insult my courage Steve. You’re most likely the kind of chickenhawk who would never sign up to the miltary himself. Empty guns make the loudest noise, after all.
Nice try but I spent 8 years serving my country in the US Navy. I have also voted in every election from the time I was 18. I am a patriot and I love my country. I don’t talk bad about it to anyone. Does that mean I agree with everything? Absolutely not. But I live here by choice because I have been to other countries and I have never found one I like better. Australia is nice but it’s not the USA.
Courage and Pacifist do not go together.
Unless it is the courage you have to say what you think, but then again that doesn’t take courage does it?
I never infered in anyway that all muslims are the problem. In fact most of them want a peaceful life with true freedom. I laughed when you said propaganda.
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
I am not spreading widely my thoughts. Just happened onto this site. Why is it that you so distrust your own government?
September 5th, 2006 at 9:32 pmAs a member of my local school board, I am concerned about the Scholastic study guide that goes with the ABC Docudrama “The Road to 911″.
ABC, as you know has been backtracking on what this movie is. First it was pushed as a “documentary”, now ABC claims the road to 911 “is not a documentary.”
ABC and Scholastic need to get their story straight. ABC claims it conflated events….to create a docudrama. The study guide makes no mention of this, or anything else that exposes this is what was once called “historical fiction”. Scholastic seems to be under the impression that:
“This dramatization of events is based on The 9/11 Commission Report, published in July 2004. Created by Congress and President Bush, the 9/11 Commission was a bipartisan group charged with providing an account of the events surrounding 9/11 and recommendations for preventing future attacks.†Truth is that the script digresses greatly from the commission report.
Scholastic gives teachers as one of their bullets for teaching the opportunity “to think critically about the media”, but the actual study guide (download and pass out) had nothing of the sort.
I would have loved to have seen the question: “What is a docudrama?” It would indeed be a fine study guide if it asked questions about turning history into entertainment as well as asking how ideological film makers “tweak” the details of history to support their ideologies. Instead the “study guide” looks like something the laziest hack could glean off Wicopedia in half a day….
If you are looking for a good example of the mediocrity in our society look no further than this study guide–and thecorporate logo affixed to it!
September 5th, 2006 at 9:46 pmCourage and Pacifist do not go together. – steve…
of course, you are wrong…
September 5th, 2006 at 9:54 pmhttp://www.peacetakescourage.com/page-home.htm
click on “animations”… pick any one, or several, all…
that should keep you busy… maybe even clue you in…
good luck…
Comment by Steve — September 5, 2006 @ 9:32 pm
Government is inherently untrustworthy. Even the framers of the United States Constitution knew this. Blind trust in any government allows tyrants and dictators to come into power.
The Bush Administration operates behind closed doors, and He says we have a transparent government. The Bush Administration clandestinely violates our Constitutional Rights, and He says, ‘trust me.’
The question should be, why should I trust a government which could be wiretapping my communications without a warrant? Why should I trust a government which labels a fellow citizen an “enemy combatant” then holds him without trial nor charges for some 3 years? Why should I trust a government which makes policy decisions based on closed-door sessions with industry leaders and no imput from citizen advocacy groups? Why should I trust a government which fixes intelligence around a policy of going to war? Why should I trust a government which is totally incapable of assisting citizens in a natural disaster? Why should I trust a government which for 8 months ignored warnings of terrorist activities? Why should I trust a government put in place through highly questionable polling practices?
WHY DO YOU TRUST SUCH A GOVERNMENT???
September 5th, 2006 at 10:07 pmjfp, as a teacher, I am pleased to read your comments. If your views are reflective of the rest of your board, your students are being well served.
Thank you for your post.
September 5th, 2006 at 10:11 pmWHY DO YOU TRUST SUCH A GOVERNMENT???
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
That’s a good question. I would think the bedwetters would be first in line to can the administration putting them at risk. Maybe that makes too much sense?
September 5th, 2006 at 10:15 pmAHA!
I knew I would find the late night posters eventually!
Good evening!
September 5th, 2006 at 10:46 pmThis farce is just the latest in a series of Republican-leaning programming and faux news. Personally, I have boycotted ABC since Sept. or Oct. of 2001 when “Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher” was summarily taken off the air for making statements not sucking up to the administration-in-occupation (not to mention an off-handed slap at the Clinton administration). That one action indicated, to me at least, where ABC stood with respect to free speech, political neutrality, and fairness of news coverage. May ABC, its affiliates, and executives all burn in political, journalistic, and religious hell.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:22 amStart with Bob Iger and Alex Wallau and work your way from there. Send a note to David Westin asking if the News Unit wlll be correcting the historical record the Entertainment Division is trashing. Write and call David Sloan at 20/20 and ask if the investigative unit (Stossel!!) will be investigating where the financing and political interests of the producers of this piece overlap with the bias of the mockudrama. Pound hard. These people hate to be held accountable.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:41 amSteve could you give me Rush limbaughs or Noelle Bushes phone number, I am out of drugs..
September 6th, 2006 at 1:29 amI followed the suggestion of an earlier commenter and wrote the VP for investor relations at Scholastic. Here are some big red flags I found in the handout materials, which I also posted at Kos:
Student resource sheet 1: If you ignore one sentence near the top, this is a
fairly benign introduction to the geography and demographics of the middle east.
There are big plugs for watching the docudrama, and a gratuitous picture of
Bush with his megaphone in the smouldering ruins of 9/11. There are actually rather
good descriptions of Afghanistan, Al Qaeda, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Islam, Pakistan
, the Taliban, Syria, the US and Yemen. Conspicuously absent is Saudi Arabia.
Now, here is the offending sentence that renders the whole handout sneaky and
sinister: in the second paragraph of the very brief introduction, we get
Iran was involved? Iraq was involved?
Syria was involved? I’ll let Egypt go in some sense given the #2 of Al Qaeda,
but why do we need to have Israel in this mix of countries? Talk about Iraq
being the “geographic center of the war on terror”…
Student resource sheet 2 : This discusses organizations in the government mentioned
by the 9/11 commission report and involved in investigating 9/11. It is not so bad-just bullet
points. There are a couple of oddities-
*The Department of Homeland Security is described as created by Pres. Bush in 2002. Uh,
didn’t this actually require an act of congress, and didn’t BushCo drag their feet before embracing it when they realized they could slice and dice the dems in the 2002 elections with this?
*The CIA, FBI, and NORAD are correctly slammed for the problems on 9/11. Curiously, the NSA is
only benignly praised and their failure to translate some key messages is ignored. Of course, the NSA is also illegally spying on americans, so why draw further attention to it?
*No mention is made of the failures of the NSC to respond. Again, benign praise.
*The office of the president itself is absent completely, as though they are innocent of any blame.
Classroom discussion and debate, part 2
Here is a very offensive question:
This suggests (1) the documa drama in accuracy is indistinguishable from the report, and (2) which do you think grade 9-12 youngsters will go to, a dry and long book (the 9/11 report) or the movie?
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September 6th, 2006 at 2:27 amThere is a lot more–but I urge you to use these talking points to blast Scholastic.
Courage and Pacifist do not go together.
Comment by Steve — September 5, 2006 @ 9:32 pm
Another fake Christian.
How many innocent Iraqi’s must die before you quit wetting the bed, Mr. Chickenhawk? I don’t believe for a minute that you ever served – except at Wendy’s.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:21 amI am not spreading widely my thoughts.
Comment by Steve
Spread your “thoughts” widely in my backyard, it hasn’t been fertilized in months.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:24 amFor the record Steve, I highly doubt you really served. Secondly I don’t see you volunteering or even signing up to actually fight anywhere. “MY” propoganda about Muslims? I’m sorry, I must have missed how you stated: “The whole world is being attacked for not being a radical Musilm. ” because “the whole world” is NOT being attacked. Primarily the USA is, and that has now included the vassal state the UK. The British are waking up to that fact and rightfully holding their PM responsible for compromising their safety.
You’re the one who is blatantly spouting propoganda, classic Nazi propoganda of fear in fact.
As for Pacifists not being brave, apart from the fact I’m personally hardly a pacificist you totally missed the point of the quote; which was your technique of using fear/propoganda is identical to Goering’s methods.
I will tell you this. If you were to punch me in the face buddy, you’d better pray the first blow knocks me out.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:39 amCome to think of it, there hasn’t actually been any definate confirmed attack on US soil since 2001. And still virtually nobody has actually been tried and found guilty of anything.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:41 am“Why don’t you trust Government?” are you kidding me? Don’t you know the various checks and balances (WHICH INCIDENTLY BUSHCO HAS BEEN ERODING) were put in place by the founding fathers of America, BECAUSE they knew how corrupt Government can be and they specifically, quotably, were against exactly the kind of government that exists today.
Any true patriot would know that one.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:44 amA trip to the BBC News website and their Talking Point will reveal something
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=3642&edition=1&ttl=20060906103027&#paginator
You see, the majority of Britains believe whoever is running the country is RESPONSIBLE for what goes on while they’re running the country. This is why most now want Blair out, including many of his own party members.
You don’t see them blaming the last Conservative leader do you? You blind cheerleaders could learn a thing or two from them. They have their heads on straight and won’t tolerate a government that helps screw their country up.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:25 amHas ABC (or any other network) ever run a non-live/breaking news show without corporate sponsorship previously?
I don’t know how this works, but aren’t big projects discussed with possible sponsors up front? This whole thing seems very, very strange.
September 6th, 2006 at 6:58 am195, in answer to your question, yes. From the link above:
The first time ABC aired “Saving Private Ryan,” it did so sans commercials thanks to a sponsorship deal with Ford. Automaker struck a similar deal backing NBC’s broadcast of “Schindler’s List.”
September 6th, 2006 at 9:59 amAnd the price tag to Disney shareholders (and workers, but not management)? From the link again:
Why?
Yet, more and more, this 30 million dollar production is being unveiled as a work of fiction; a propaganda piece rewriting history in a fashion worthy of Winston Smith in 1984.
The powers that be want to implant their version of history on the minds of the next generation of voters.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:04 amthe path to 9/11…
the most interesting thing i see about this whole path to 9/11 miniseries controversy ……
September 6th, 2006 at 10:10 amWatch
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm+hq
Thank you
September 6th, 2006 at 11:13 amComment by Steve — September 5, 2006 @ 9:32 pm
Another fake Christian.
How many innocent Iraqi’s must die before you quit wetting the bed, Mr. Chickenhawk? I don’t believe for a minute that you ever served – except at Wendy’s.
Wow!
September 6th, 2006 at 11:32 am1st of all I did serve. 1981-1989.
2nd did I say I was a christian? I’m pretty sure I didn’t. That might be because I am an agnostic. Before you try to label and belittle maybe you should let something other than raw emotion take over your life. Try thinking first…. than acting. This might prevent you from looking the fool!
“MY†propoganda about Muslims? I’m sorry, I must have missed how you stated: “The whole world is being attacked for not being a radical Musilm. †because “the whole world†is NOT being attacked. Primarily the USA is, and that has now included the vassal state the UK.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm
This is just a few examples that show you are poorly informed. Most of the conflicts around the world involve Muslim Radicals. There have been attacks in Russia, India, Pakastan, Egypt, Turkey, Spain, Indonesia, Most of Africa and many, many more.
In fact we haven’t had a serious attack since 9-11 is proof that we are doing something right. Because you said the same thing but made it sound negative… truth is if we had had another attack you would be screaming how inept the president was for not protecting us.
So instead of telling me what everyone is doing wrong…. tell me how do we do it right?
Don’t tell me intelligence and surveilence because not only are liberals screaming about a percieved invasion of privacy but when they held the White House those groups were gutted.
So do we pull out of Iraq and wait till it reaches our shores before we act? Do we let it spread all over Europe as Nazism did before we say ok now maybe we should do something?
September 6th, 2006 at 12:03 pmOr do we just sit here doing our drugs waiting till its time for our throats to be cut?
ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX what’s the difference. These men are not to be believed, respected, or emulated. What a sorry bunch! Their avarice and perfidy are stunning.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI buy no products these people advertise, and as little gas as possible. I watch the weather, altho even that is oddly presented now. If I want to know whats REALLY going on the net is best.
It is quite obvious that these people would distroy democracy, and bankrupt the citizenry if they could.
Wonder if they have ever heard the word – treason.
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9/11 Conspiracy
Here are some 9/11 conspiracy videos. The first is a link to a full-length documentary called “Loose Change” (click on the link and follow the link to the video):
http://www.loosechange911.com/
Other shorter 9/11 conspiracy stuff I also found interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2lih2qjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpcnhwFlIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF8-8Kaa8jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBVVs9hcmRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvGFVr6KNk
September 6th, 2006 at 12:41 pm[...] ABC plans to distribute flawed 9/11 docudrama to schools. (More: here, here, here and here.) Propaganda anyone? [...]
September 6th, 2006 at 1:55 pmActivist Alert: On ABC’ 9/11 ‘teaching aid’ documentary…
ABC is sending SCHOOLS letters alerting teachers that their 9/11 documentary special will be suitable for students.sure, people complain about LANGUAGE or emotional content.But if you’re going to teach HISTORY or PROPAGANDA, this might be a good speci…
September 6th, 2006 at 2:46 pm[...] Pakistan can deny all they want, but why would ABC invent a transcript like this when it clearly brings into question the Bush administration’s support of Pakistan as an ally in the war on terror and in the hunt for Bin Laden? After all, ABC/Disney are about to release a wonderfully pro-right, pro-republican piece of propaganda for 9/11. [...]
September 6th, 2006 at 8:16 pmWhat are you people afraid of?? The actualtruth being laid out for the pubic…that is the truth that doesn’t agree with you and so you are threatened by it. You probably believe the insane rumor that the towers were blown up by the govenment and that there’s “proof” of this. PLEEEEZE the american people can make up their own minds…. we don’t need you to tell us what to think……. or is THAT what you’re really afraid of?? ABC has a first ammendment right just like anyone else…. even the ACLU can’t blur that point.
September 6th, 2006 at 8:54 pmI have yet to see anyone place the blame for 9-11 to the real person responsible for the spread of the islamic fanatics. Jimmy Carter……. with his weak kneed presidency and unable to understand that by not standing by our friends(shah of Iran) he allowed fanatics to gain a foothold in a country from where they have been able to freely spead their radical views. Jimmy Carter’s presidency is a perfect example as to why leaving them alone and they will leave you alone will never work. And don’t go blaming our actions in Afganistan as the reason they hate us, how many americans were killed in the mideast before we helped throw the soviets out of there. I wish just one network would have the guts to look into where this all begin and give Jimmy the true credit he deserves for promoting islamic radicalism.
September 6th, 2006 at 8:57 pmHey Cheeks (#151), I was AT Khobar Towers, in the Air Force when the truck bomb exploded. I have a dwecoration for valor for that day.
We were flooded with almost every highranking official within days investigating the incident. Since you profess to know so much about Clinton’s “negligence” then you should know that it took them YEARS of investigation to find out WHO was responsible for the attack for years afterward, as the Saudis were not cooperating with the US. The U.S.S. Cole also took YEARS of investigating to even find out who to go after.
Perhaps you are right though, Clinton should have done exactly like Bush and rushed to pick a country he had a personal grudge against, with NO solid evidence of acts comitted, and committed his troops to a sloppy, badly planned out meatgrinder of an operation with no exit strategy. Clearly that’s the kind of leadership you so admire.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:30 pmI am going to e-mail the superintendent of my school district and inform him that under no circumstances is my child to watch this movie.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:07 pmTonight I watched CBS NEWS with Couric interview of Bush and I sent an e-mail letting them know that she does not have the balls to make it, just like Brain Williams. She said tomarrow night she will have Russ Limbough on. What is this propaganda push by the news media? I used to watch ABC NEWS, expecially Nightline when Ted Kopel was there, I will not any more. I guess it will just be BBC oR Public Broadcast now.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:12 pm#209
Go ahead and ask some of your fellow vets what they think of the Clinton years, especially when he gutted the military. Ask why you had to go to a electronics store and buy a part for your equipment because the military buget was cut for political reasons. The fact still remains that Clinton was against the military and he had no respect for those who have served.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:16 pmI can’t wait to hear Rush tomorrow! For once the general population will get to hear the real truth. I also can’t wait until Ann Coulter makes an appearence. That should get the juices flowing. …LOL
September 6th, 2006 at 10:20 pm143 – Found a phone number for UHP Productions. I haven’t tried it yet.
http://www.myhamilton.ca/myhamilton/CityandGovernment/NewsandPublications/NewsReleases/2005News/September/05-09-20.htm
UHP Productions Ltd.
Contact Phone:
(416)778-8454
Located 2 film credits: Untitled History Project & Jimmy Hollywood
September 6th, 2006 at 10:42 pmThis is shameful, and sad.
I emailed both my local station, and the corporate office.
DOWN WITH ABC…no more LOST for me.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:17 amThis mini-series is nothing but a fradulent attempt by the GOP and the neo-cons to distort the truth and use fear to scare Americans into supporting them. The neo-cons thrive on fear and deception to get their message across. And this is just another Straussian example of their handywork.
The whole film is completely biased to the Right. Practically, all of the people who were invited to the screening were conservative bloggers and right-wing media outlets. The lead writer, Cyrus Nowrasteh, is a friend of Rush Slime Ball
We all know “truth” is word the neo-cons don’t know the meaning of and there are numerous lies and deceptions in this film.
For example:
Richard Clarke who was the counterterrorism expert for the Clinton administration said a major scene in the film is “180 degrees from what happened.” In the scene, a CIA agent calls to get the go ahead to kill Osama Bin Laden only to have a senior Clinton administration official refuse to give the go ahead and hang up. President Clinton’s National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, called the same scene “A total fabrication. It did not happen.” And another top official from the Bush and Clinton administration, counterterroism expert Roger Cressey, said it was “something straight out of Disney and fantasyland. It’s factually wrong. And that’s shameful.”
Another scene accuses the Washington Post of blowing the secret that American intelligence tracked bin Laden’s satellite phone calls. But the real culprit was the Washinton Times – a conservative rag.
Another lie in the film is that President Clinton lacked the will to attack bin Laden, but in reality he approved every request made by the CIA and the US Military to strike.
ABC was completely biased in getting “expert” advice to write the screenplay. They asked Tom Kean who was a Republican co-chair for the 9/11 commision and a Bush administration official who is also an author to write it.
Even 9/11 Commission member Richard Ben-Veniste who has seen a screening of the “The Path to 9/11″ confronted the lead-writer about his concerns.
It’s apparent this film wreaks of pro-Republican and conservative propaganda to re-write history based on misconceptions and lies. And to use ABC as a vehicle to dessiminate this “work” is typical of the Right. After all, they are the masters of deception, having plenty of practice to hone their skills during the past 6 years. It’s a continued reflection of their flawed policy and their agenda.
The film is irresponsible and a fraud.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:26 amgoogle war is a scam or smedley butler or bfee
September 7th, 2006 at 1:00 amsteve, get off this board and get your *** over to Iraq
I hear things arn’t goin so hot over there
ABC does NOT have a “First Ammendment (sic) Right” to LIE to us. Libel and slander are NOT protected by the First Amendment.
Clinton may not have enough balls to sue, but Madeline Albright does. She is demanding a copy of the show (it has been sent to reich wingnuts but not to any of the Democrats who were smeared). She has already sent a strong complaint to ABC saying that they are erroneously accusing her of official misconduct. I hope she sues ABC’s ass off.
September 7th, 2006 at 11:28 amI take back my comment on Bill Clinton. Looks like he DID find his balls.
Clinton has sent a letter to ABC demanding they remove several erroneous scenes or cancel the show.
Scholastic Books has pulled their web pages with the Path to 911 Study Guide.
Keep up the pressure on ABC and Scholastic Books!!
September 7th, 2006 at 11:42 amBwa ha ha! Yes, us neocons have absolute power! Why, the conservative energy beams eminating from my keyboard will convert you any moment!
September 7th, 2006 at 11:50 amYou lot are pathetic. Everyone apparently needed to see an “important” piece of work like Fahrenheit 9/11 just prior to a national election, but you’re beside yourselves with outrage when the tables are turned. How dare ABC broadcast a program criticizing an administration other than the current one — an administration that was in a position to do something about terrorism for EIGHT YEARS and failed miserably. While there is no doubt that the current administration is arrogant and inept, to whitewash the Clinton admin’s role in fomenting 9/11 would be a tremendous disservice to every person in this country who wants to know how we got where we are. Get a grip on yourselves.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:06 pmI’ve never posted here before, but I thought I would share the text of the email I sent to Scholastic:
I will be educating my colleagues about this issue, and I hope other college faculty will take action.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:12 pmJMCoy, care to fill us in on “your reading?” From “my reading,” I’ve found that the Path to 9/11 is accurate and balanced, for once.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:34 pmHaha! You people are all kooks if you think this all started Jan. 20 2000. Clinton is a fat buffoon who likes to cheat on his wife and rape women, he couldn’t care less about America and did zero to protect us. I didn’t see any of you crying about Moore’s fake documentary. Oops, that was ‘real’. Loosen the tin foil hats folks! You haven’t even seen this one. Is the part where they show Bush dropping the ball fake too?
DSG
September 7th, 2006 at 1:19 pmOh, I forgot. Aren’t the liberals and democrats supposed to be against censorship and for inclusion? NOT! Liberals are the least tolerant of all Americans.
DSG
September 7th, 2006 at 1:22 pmWell, numerous government reports, including the 9-11 Commission Report, and quite a few left- and right-wing blogs. I wish I could have listened to Rush Limbaugh’s comments on the issue, but the radio station in my area dropped his program. Writers and commentators usually have an axe to grind (including, obviously Cyrus Nowrasteh) , so I believe it’s not healthy to limit sources of information to one side.
That Scholastic Corp. is serving as purveyors of misinformation to our school children is apparent. Here’s a quote from the classroom guide they will heap upon our nation’s high schools:
This statement directly contradicts President Bush’s comments at his last news conference.
September 7th, 2006 at 1:42 pmThose of you who equated Fahrenheit 9/11 with this abc mocumentary, please remember that no channel showed Fahrenheit 9/11–you had to pay, or buy the dvd when it came out. We are talking about abc giving credence to these lies by showing this, regardless of how many disclaimers they put in. And people who still believe that there were wmd’s in Iraq, that Osama and Saddam were buddy-buddy, and that Saddam ordered the 9/11 attacks, will believe the lies in this film. Just like Swift Boating. And the producers know that, and depend on it.
September 7th, 2006 at 1:51 pmBoycott!
September 7th, 2006 at 3:48 pmIt’s an absolutely dispicable use of “entertainment”, wherein the producer admits he had been more concerned about creating a good drama than presenting facts fairly. There’s a reason Disney is NOT calling this garbage a documentary. BOYCOTT them!! There’s strength in numbers, and we’ve got the numbers.
September 7th, 2006 at 4:34 pmWow. I am an independant but I notice the Liberal left doing this kind of thing on regular basis. Fahrenheit 911, liberal college professors force kids to learn about nutty 911 conspiracy theories. I could go on and on. You never hear liberals complain about any of that kind of nonsense. Yet as soon a movie is going to review events that took place during the Clinton years, you all go crazy. You have not even seen this movie and your screaming about it. Why are you acting so GUILTY??? very strange. You think you would handle lies and propaganda better than this. I mean you people practically turned it into an art.
September 7th, 2006 at 5:07 pmHmm let me get this straight. You had to pay to see farenheit 911, so you trust Michael Moore who’s obvious intention was to make money off it. You don’t trust this because they give it away for free, meaning their intention is to just get people to watch it. Wow I guess people ARE stupid in West Virginia
September 7th, 2006 at 5:23 pmtwo actions:
1) cancel your cable sub to Disney and its sister companies
2) download the movie and post it EVERYWHERE
September 7th, 2006 at 5:42 pmGreat Scott–why would ANYONE be pushing “fictionalized” material as “educational”?!
September 7th, 2006 at 7:58 pmIt’s about time that people are reminded of who was president when 9/11 was being organized and planned. Even though many people are still on their Clinton cool-aid the reality of life should be remembered. By the way what ever happened to Monica?
P.S. To those of you who are suffering from their left wing mental disorders, Clinton gave up a chance to take Bin Laden out of the picture.
September 7th, 2006 at 8:33 pmThe 9/11 didn’t happen untill Bush became President. Who sent us to war and killed Bin Laden’s family? Don’t blame Clinton, for the Bush’s family
September 7th, 2006 at 10:54 pmWe still have the abilty to voice opinions. We live in America. I can not condone torture, water boarding etc. I am an American and the constiutation protects our lives. This government wants to take every right and suddenly throw it away. Take a moment and ask your self Republican or democrat ; is this the world we want to live in ? questioning our own government on matters of truh. We learned today that the government did have secret torture centers that held terroists. Were they really terroists and why were they kept in CIA BASES OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Ask why has this been hidden. Ask why are we allowing our government to hide torture.These are crimes and if the same thing had happened in natzi Germany people around the world would stand up then and now against an evil government!
September 8th, 2006 at 5:29 amThis is more than a Rove/Republican scheme. The film company responsible for creating Path to 9/11 is “The Film Institute” (TFI), a branch of one of the largest evangelical organizations in the world, Youth With a Mission (YWAM). In fact, YWAM’s founder, Loren Cunningham, is the father of Path to 9/11’s director, David L. Cunningham. TFI, YWAM’s film division, was created in 2005 with the express purpose of “transforming” the film and television industries. One of YWAM’s member’s website states TFI is “dedicated to a Godly transformation and revolution TO and THROUGH the Film and Television industry.” It is most likely YWAM’s money that is behind the production ($30M) and mass distribution of this propaganda film (commercial-friee airing on ABC, iTunes downloads, free Internet streaming, free mass distribution of the film and “study materials” to public schools, and distribution abroad to the U.K.’s BBC and to India). And YWAM has been very secretive about their role in creating and distributing this film; it was only through extensive sleuthing by a number of Democratic Underground members that the YWAM connection to this film was unearthed. Such secrecy suggests a highly diabolical scheme to subversively brainwash the American public, most notable our youth.
September 8th, 2006 at 9:19 amI dont know where i should post my comments but this is as good any, so here it goes…
At best, a docudrama is a dramatized (i.e., not actual) version of events meant to get people to watch. At worst, it is a purposely misleading reinactment of events used to influence peoples thoughts and/or behavior outside of the viewing area. The timing of this dramatization makes it hard to believe that the intent is anything other than to get people to vote republican. I could be wrong and I’m willing to listen to rational arguements that dont involve labeling me as “liberal”. However, even if the intent was to make a more entertaining mini-series, it still does not belong in schools. School should not be a place where you are told what to think, it is a place that should be teaching you to think critically, maybe even – dare I say it – creatively. This smacks of revisionist history. And to those people who are proponents of this being released into the schools, how would you feel if we started accepting Michael Moore as valid American Literature?
September 8th, 2006 at 10:16 amSirs,
September 8th, 2006 at 12:29 pmYou must be true to your core values and never cave to any politician.
We the people deserve to see the unedited version of this piece.
Edited it becomes unwatchable.
Re: UHP Productions. They appear to be a front for a right wing christian group called Youth With a Mission. Someone at DU has the whole thing laid out rather convincingly here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×2080965
YWAM is starting an organization called The Film Institute, with David Cunningham — the director of “Path to 9/11″ one of its founding members. Allegedly Cunninghams’ father Loren started the YWAM group. TFI’s purpose is to inject Christian propaganda into Hollywood. All rather chilling, no?
peace,
dt
September 8th, 2006 at 1:11 pmLOL Reading a Liberal blog is like walking into the maternity ward at a hospital. Just a bunch of babies. All crying. The double standard that Liberals constantly adhere to is ridiculous. It forces independants like me to side with conservatives even when I disagree with them. If you people had not made such a big deal crying about this movie, I probobly would not have even watched it. As usual the Liberals have opened their mouths and done more harm than good. NOW I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE IT. I’m interested to see what they are so afraid of. PATH TO 911 is going to Air no matter what you do so just deal with it. STOP CRYING
September 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pmIn response to Mr. Creeply’s comment: And what is walking into a neo-con blog but finding yourself immersed in hate, anger, blame and intolerance.
September 8th, 2006 at 4:56 pmThe radical right has made it unpopular to exercise the right of free speech. Anything that smacks of disagreement with a hyper-conservative relgiousity or the Bush doctrine is considered stupid at best and sacrilegious at worst. Harm done by liberals? Harm done by pleading for truth and understanding? Harm done by asking for people to be more tolerant? Harm done by asking for those who have nothing to be considered first? ‘Whatever you have done to the least of these, you have done to me”, says Jesus. Funny how that ‘inconvenient truth’ gets left out of the Radical Relgious Right manifestos when they trumphet scripture.
Im not relgious you ignorant Liberal. Once again a responce that is nothing but a bunch of slurs and name calling. Typical Liberal. This is why you always lose. You can’t get enough independant people on your side because you act like a spoiled, selfish little kid. Free speech for me not for thee. Thats the Liberal motto. They are always the first ones to scream about anyone even mentioning something that they don’t agree with. We need many things in this country, finger pointing name calling, temper tantrum throwing Lirberals is NOT one of them. Thank goodness that enough people realize this to keep you people out of power. Seems to me by the reaction from Liberals that it is them that are faced with a Inconvient truth and that is obviously scaring them. I’m going to enjoy watching this, just knowing that you will be kicking your feet the whole time
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Censor ABC!
September 8th, 2006 at 6:12 pmWe need more censorship of TV and the internet!
September 8th, 2006 at 6:41 pmMore right wing propaganda. Don’t you know, ABC stand for All Bush Channel.
September 8th, 2006 at 7:29 pm[...] ABC has marketed this miniseries to thousands of high school teachers, urging them to have their students watch. American high school students shouldn’t be taught the history of 9/11 using a politically slanted, factually inaccurate docudrama. [...]
September 8th, 2006 at 7:57 pm[...] ABC has marketed this miniseries to thousands of high school teachers, urging them to have their students watch. American high school students shouldn’t be taught the history of 9/11 using a politically slanted, factually inaccurate docudrama. [...]
September 8th, 2006 at 7:57 pmFunny how some of you left wing nut jobs are so quick to tout the virtues of Michael Moore’s crap as “documentary” when it clearly isn’t, yet this mini-series clearly advertised as a docu-drama is “scandalous” and “outrageous”. And by the way the second half does not treat the Bush administration kindly at all. But you haven’t seen it yet have you? And since when does the left leaning dominant media culture ever whitewash anything related to Bush’s administration. More like whitewash the Clintons.
Do you believe the 1st ammendment applies only when you agree with the content? The double standard you apply in every situation has become the norm for you to the point that you don’t even see it.
September 9th, 2006 at 5:48 am#250 Do you remember the conservative reaction to the Reagan miniseries? Do you see how your criticism about a 1st ammendment double standard cuts both ways? I’m encouraged to see more people considering the messengers’ purpose as they consider the message.
September 9th, 2006 at 8:12 amFound this gem: “This is the first Hollywood production I’ve seen that honestly depicts how the Clinton administration repeatedly bungled the capture of Osama Bin Laden. One astonishing sequence in “The Path to 9/11″ shows the CIA and the Northern Alliance surrounding Bin Laden’s house in Afghanistan. They’re on the verge of capturing Bin Laden, but they need final approval from the Clinton administration in order to go ahead. They phone Clinton, but he and his senior staff refuse to give authorization for the capture of Bin Laden, for fear of political fall-out if the mission should go wrong and civilians are harmed.”
Check out the author’s forum.
September 9th, 2006 at 1:10 pmPlease.. Democrats and Liberals went from harping about human rights and free speech, to media censorship like a communist country. That was a pretty quick turn around. I don’t remember George Bush calling anyone to get Fahrenheit 911 pulled or edited. Yet that is exactly what clinton and other Democrats are doing right now. Where is your free speech now??? What it only applies to your party? I’m glad you people are making such a fuss. Forget the movie people just need to see this kind of reaction and they see what that party is really all about. Republicans on capital hill must be laughing there asses off watching you idiots go wacko like this. I may be an independant but in seeing this you folks just lost my vote again this year. Way to go!!!
September 9th, 2006 at 7:28 pmA message to JMcoy. Criticizing a movie and saying its propoganda, all lies , untrue, that is your right to free speech. No one should hold that against you. Having a movie edited because you don’t agree with the content is a VIOLATION of free speech. You didn’t see the Republicans and conservatives doing that. They won’t do that because they believe in your right to free speech. Democrats are having ABC edit this film because it might make them look bad. That shows me that they do not respect any other parties right to Free Speech. This is major to an independant like me. It turns me towards the right. A big mistake in my opinion.
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September 9th, 2006 at 11:34 pmThis is what happens when Goofy does history.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:30 am#254 A quote from The Daily Texan (11/11/03):
Creeply, I am also an independent. To me, that means directing a great deal of skepticism toward arguments on both sides.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:01 amThe airing of this mock-u-drama and the use of the 911 tragedy for such blatant neocon politics shows me the true depth of Bush’s personal cowardice. The coward passes the buck instead of being an honest standup person and taking responsibility for ones own incompetance. Bush is an immature child in a mans body and needed a cartoon company to re-make Alice in Wonderlland into a 5 hour campaign commercial. Disgusting…..
September 10th, 2006 at 8:19 amComrades Bravo!
These traitors at ABC are betrayers of our new mother land. Where I come from, this Robert A. Iger would be dragged through the streets in front of the tomb of our glorious leader Vladimir Lenin and shot in public. The producers, directors, writers and anyone associated with this propaganda would be picked up in the early hours of the morning by our State Security Chief Lavrenty Beria (The Black Hand) and taken to a Siberian labor camp never too be heard from again.
For many years I have been loyal to ABC and the Pravda (truth) that our Socialist Liberal ally has put forth in order to progress our ultimate goal; the decline and absolute destruction of America and the capitalist traitorous pig’s like ABC.
I ask you Mr. Robert A. Iger, “Have you no shame Sir�
Comrades, we must not give up the fight. It has taken us many years to groom you and your elected leaders.
Remember what our great leader Nikita Khrushchev said:
“ We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism ”
It’s more important now then ever before that we stand together and stay focused! We can not allow this abomination of propaganda to go forward.
We must do whatever it takes to keep this film from airing on Sunday the 10th, 2006, we only have a few hours left.
It is your duty as loyal Liberal Socialist Democrats to rise up in solidarity and put a stop to this immediately!
Senator Harry Reid, one of our courageous and distinguished Senatorial leaders from the state of Nevada, reminded the capitalist traitorous pigs at ABC of their license from the FCC. Please Senator Reid, we’re your loyal comrades in arms and begging you to use all the glorious power you possess. You must stop this film! You must push forward with an iron fist and crush this despicable display of propaganda.
If this film isn’t stopped from airing on ABC, Sunday night, I’m afraid all our efforts since the cold war and the aspirations of our great leaders from glorious years past and Nikita Khrushchev’s dreams and predictions will have been lost.
If we loose now, the great Liberal Socialist Democratic Party, we have nurtured, will decline into the ash heaps of history never too be heard from again.
You must!…. I repeat, you must contact our comrades in arms at their offices in Washington.
Now I’ve done all the work all you have to do is contact our comrades below by e-mail or call:
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WOW! Now theres an asset to the democratic party.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:34 amYou’re all a bunch of frickin’ whiners. Clinton didn’t recognize the magnitude of Osama’s intentions and neither did most other Americans including many in the Bush administration. It took 911 for people to realize just what a crazed enemy we are dealing with. At least Bush is now taking on this enemy unlike the apeasers on the left. Sorry to burst your bubble libs, but slick Willy is not perfect and this movie tells it like it is.
September 12th, 2006 at 8:21 pmI am so glad that so many of you high ground moralists carefully watch your personal rights that might be taken by the CIA and the FBI and the Bush administration . Lord knows they might fly a plane into your home.
September 13th, 2006 at 2:51 amYou can all rest assured that the republicans never put one over on you right before a muslim fascist puts a bullet through your brain yelling Allah akbar! and descends upon your country changing it into something where we have no rights at all.
One comment to Meme:
I’m glad that they have secret bases out of the country where thay can interrogate these animals in earnest without having to worry about headlines on usa today or time or us news and world report.
I’m worried about one thing and that is not having to wake up with any more burning skyscrapers . Water boarding doesn’t kill anyone its a trick. I’m sure they were very nice to Danny Pearl before they cut off his head. I couldn’t care less about the high ground if we go down in defeat. I care about one thing only and that is winning a war we didn’t start.
You guys are hilarious! lol! ^_^
September 13th, 2006 at 12:33 pmI can’t believe all the whining over the facts being presented fairly…
Wake up and smell the roses. Nobody thought the terrorists could deliver such a devistating blow on American soil. 3,000 civilians dead.
If we don’t all wake up it will happen again at a greater magnitude. It might anyway, despite our best efforts. Take it seriously. We can’t fight the terrorists with one arm tied behind our backs…
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