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	<title>Comments on: Richard Clarke Blasts Key Scene In ABC&#8217;s 9/11 Docudrama</title>
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		<title>By: Stefan Desancic</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-1067977</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Desancic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think 9/11 was a tragedy, just as was sunami, world war 2, spanish masacre, jewish holocaust and many many more where innocent people died because of political strifes. Sounds like (if i listen to this) that the Americans are going to have another civil war the &quot;democratic&quot; and &quot;republican&quot; parties are going to gulge each others eyes again like in the movie &quot;gangs of New York&quot; or is that movie also just fictionalized. As for if you dont vote your opinion doesnt count in  America, then America should stop pressing there opinion on the world. But America is opne of the Leading Super Powers of the world so with great power comes great responsibility. Your leaders are so scared of losing that power, so they will try anything to keep it. Your country is safe away from the rest of the world (or it was safe). If America stops now focus&#039;s on its own country and get  most people to aggree on a topic. Your country is almost dived on every topic. Your country has more race issues than any country in the world. Leave the rest of the world alone. Its not Clintons fault, its not Bushes fault, its your fault, its Americas fault. Propaganda will always be there, always, but educate your selves so you can see the difference. The media will always sensationalize thing always... Peace be with you. Find peace in your own country before trying to enforce it on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 9/11 was a tragedy, just as was sunami, world war 2, spanish masacre, jewish holocaust and many many more where innocent people died because of political strifes. Sounds like (if i listen to this) that the Americans are going to have another civil war the &#8220;democratic&#8221; and &#8220;republican&#8221; parties are going to gulge each others eyes again like in the movie &#8220;gangs of New York&#8221; or is that movie also just fictionalized. As for if you dont vote your opinion doesnt count in  America, then America should stop pressing there opinion on the world. But America is opne of the Leading Super Powers of the world so with great power comes great responsibility. Your leaders are so scared of losing that power, so they will try anything to keep it. Your country is safe away from the rest of the world (or it was safe). If America stops now focus&#8217;s on its own country and get  most people to aggree on a topic. Your country is almost dived on every topic. Your country has more race issues than any country in the world. Leave the rest of the world alone. Its not Clintons fault, its not Bushes fault, its your fault, its Americas fault. Propaganda will always be there, always, but educate your selves so you can see the difference. The media will always sensationalize thing always&#8230; Peace be with you. Find peace in your own country before trying to enforce it on others.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1067977', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marcelo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-1024701</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Clarke and Cressey now write for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.Goodharborreport.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.GoodHarborReport.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Clarke and Cressey now write for <a href="http://www.Goodharborreport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.GoodHarborReport.com</a>.</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1024701', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Advanced Soul</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-1013425</link>
		<dc:creator>The Advanced Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or has Larry King had like 5 heart attacks and 5 divorces.  I guess that&#039;d be a broken heart for each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or has Larry King had like 5 heart attacks and 5 divorces.  I guess that&#8217;d be a broken heart for each.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1013425', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: vincenzo4</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-895795</link>
		<dc:creator>vincenzo4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can scream and yell and wag fingers all they want.  The more they clamor with no corroborated fact in their defense only digs them in  deeper.  They deserve every scrutiny thrown at them, and they know it.  They laid this country bare with a liberal congress that did not allow the intelligence community to blossom productively, and brow beat them into indifference and ivy league risk aversion where they were forced to choose between a career and  making waves.  The Democrats do not have the best interests of our tomorrows foremost, and they would be quite content if we were no longer a world power or overthrown. 

This is not the party of FDR, and hasn&#039;t been since the 1960s-and we have the harvest-bloodletting of American lives that nobody gave damn about until Bush engaged.  Bush is courage, and it pisses them off that their cowardice was trumped.  They need to go home and study the people  who in selfless example gave everything they had when they signed the Declaration of Independence.

I think malfeasance hearings are in order.  Accountability is being slaughtered in this go along, get along, leave this all behind decpetion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can scream and yell and wag fingers all they want.  The more they clamor with no corroborated fact in their defense only digs them in  deeper.  They deserve every scrutiny thrown at them, and they know it.  They laid this country bare with a liberal congress that did not allow the intelligence community to blossom productively, and brow beat them into indifference and ivy league risk aversion where they were forced to choose between a career and  making waves.  The Democrats do not have the best interests of our tomorrows foremost, and they would be quite content if we were no longer a world power or overthrown. </p>
<p>This is not the party of FDR, and hasn&#8217;t been since the 1960s-and we have the harvest-bloodletting of American lives that nobody gave damn about until Bush engaged.  Bush is courage, and it pisses them off that their cowardice was trumped.  They need to go home and study the people  who in selfless example gave everything they had when they signed the Declaration of Independence.</p>
<p>I think malfeasance hearings are in order.  Accountability is being slaughtered in this go along, get along, leave this all behind decpetion.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=895795', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Cameron vogt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron vogt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Clinton did have efforts to kill Asama Bin Laden, but did not take advantage of many opportunities to take out the most dangerous person in the world.  His administration could of put an end to the terror in the world but President Clinton was to busy with the whole Lewinzky scandal.  I do agree that it is both the presidents faults, but you can not look back at a situation and say what went wrong and say it should of been handled a certain way when it is not that easy.  As for the war in Iraq, it very well justified due to our country has not had a terrorist attack since 9-11 and there is always going to be liberals no matter what war, protesting it and trying to make the current President look horrible.  Liberals are blind and want to get out of Iraq, which is the wrong move allowing a base for terrorists to get control of.  I am sixteen years old and I am not blinded by the lies of Bill Clinton and feel that people need to look at the big picture and realize that this situation in the Middle East needed to be taken care of a long time ago.  You can not just target certain areas in the area when the whole area is dangerous and needs to governed the right way so they can have a future of control and freedom.  President Bush said that this war is not going to short and will be a long process, so liberals need to look how to solve the solution and work together and not take sides, splitting the country apart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Clinton did have efforts to kill Asama Bin Laden, but did not take advantage of many opportunities to take out the most dangerous person in the world.  His administration could of put an end to the terror in the world but President Clinton was to busy with the whole Lewinzky scandal.  I do agree that it is both the presidents faults, but you can not look back at a situation and say what went wrong and say it should of been handled a certain way when it is not that easy.  As for the war in Iraq, it very well justified due to our country has not had a terrorist attack since 9-11 and there is always going to be liberals no matter what war, protesting it and trying to make the current President look horrible.  Liberals are blind and want to get out of Iraq, which is the wrong move allowing a base for terrorists to get control of.  I am sixteen years old and I am not blinded by the lies of Bill Clinton and feel that people need to look at the big picture and realize that this situation in the Middle East needed to be taken care of a long time ago.  You can not just target certain areas in the area when the whole area is dangerous and needs to governed the right way so they can have a future of control and freedom.  President Bush said that this war is not going to short and will be a long process, so liberals need to look how to solve the solution and work together and not take sides, splitting the country apart.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=872113', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Raindogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raindogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berget did not put documents in his socks or underwear. And, they were copies


&lt;blockquote&gt;Berger must perform 100 hours of community service and pay the fine as well as $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation, a district court judge ruled.

&quot;I deeply regret the actions that I took at the National Archives two years ago, and I accept the judgment of the court,&quot; Berger said outside the courthouse after his sentencing.

&quot;I&#039;m glad that the 9/11 commission has made clear that it received all the documents that it sought, all the documents that it needed, and I&#039;m pleased to finally have this matter resolved,&quot; he added.

Berger reached a plea deal with federal prosecutors in April to avoid a jail sentence.

At that time, he said the reason he took the documents was so he could prepare himself and others to assist the 9/11 commission, which investigated the circumstances surrounding the 2001 terrorist attacks and published a report of its findings last year.

The documents taken by Berger dealt with the terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration, according to parties in the case.

According to the charges, Berger -- between September 2 and October 2, 2003 -- &quot;knowingly removed classified documents from the National Archives and Records Administration and stored and retained such documents at places,&quot; such as his private Washington office.

Berger&#039;s associates admit he took five copies of an after-action report detailing the 2000 millennium terror plot from the Archives. The aides say Berger returned to his office, discovered that three of the copies appeared to be duplicates and cut them up with scissors.

The revelations were a dramatic change from Berger&#039;s claim last year that he had made an &quot;honest mistake&quot; and either misplaced or unintentionally threw the documents away.

When Archives officials contacted him after they realized documents were missing, Berger told them about the two copies he had, and returned them, along with his handwritten notes, officials said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berget did not put documents in his socks or underwear. And, they were copies</p>
<blockquote><p>Berger must perform 100 hours of community service and pay the fine as well as $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation, a district court judge ruled.</p>
<p>&#8220;I deeply regret the actions that I took at the National Archives two years ago, and I accept the judgment of the court,&#8221; Berger said outside the courthouse after his sentencing.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m glad that the 9/11 commission has made clear that it received all the documents that it sought, all the documents that it needed, and I&#8217;m pleased to finally have this matter resolved,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>Berger reached a plea deal with federal prosecutors in April to avoid a jail sentence.</p>
<p>At that time, he said the reason he took the documents was so he could prepare himself and others to assist the 9/11 commission, which investigated the circumstances surrounding the 2001 terrorist attacks and published a report of its findings last year.</p>
<p>The documents taken by Berger dealt with the terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration, according to parties in the case.</p>
<p>According to the charges, Berger &#8212; between September 2 and October 2, 2003 &#8212; &#8220;knowingly removed classified documents from the National Archives and Records Administration and stored and retained such documents at places,&#8221; such as his private Washington office.</p>
<p>Berger&#8217;s associates admit he took five copies of an after-action report detailing the 2000 millennium terror plot from the Archives. The aides say Berger returned to his office, discovered that three of the copies appeared to be duplicates and cut them up with scissors.</p>
<p>The revelations were a dramatic change from Berger&#8217;s claim last year that he had made an &#8220;honest mistake&#8221; and either misplaced or unintentionally threw the documents away.</p>
<p>When Archives officials contacted him after they realized documents were missing, Berger told them about the two copies he had, and returned them, along with his handwritten notes, officials said.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Blake Austin</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-835820</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really happened in the run-up to September 11th?  How did we go from being a relatively secure nation to a very insecure and fearful nation?

I had a close-up view of the mistakes and wrong turns of national security policy makers whose negligence led America to turn her back on the very worst of our worst enemies.

Was it the Democrats or  Republicans who let our guard down allowing us to be attacked by a ruthless cult of Jihadists? The fur has been flying ever since 9/11 and the answer of course, is both.   The catastrophic failure of intelligence leading to 9/11 is evidence our national security has been so thoroughly and completely compromised that both the Democrats and Republicans are scrambling for cover from a rightfully suspicious and offended public.

To understand why, I would suggest you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://fourthings.4t.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Four Things About September 11th&lt;/a&gt;.  

In short, under the guise of  hiding our vulnerabilities, the Catastrophic Terrorism Study Group led by Philip Zelikow, Ashton Carter, and John M Deutch proposed that policy discussions surrounding the most credible terror scenarios should be centralized, tightly controlled by &quot;small groups of knowledgeable officials and expert consultants&quot; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://siyaset.bilkent.edu.tr/Harvard/gtrept.htm#Note2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NEVER BE PUBLISHED AT ALL.&lt;/a&gt;

Instead of improving our security, over time it likely had the effect of creating a list of scenarios that security analysts traded details about with as much passion as young baseball fans trade in prized baseball cards - the scenarios themselves became a prized commodity for those in power - a commodity they could not dare speak about publicly.  The end result was an intelligence nightmare and LESS security for the public not MORE.

Why?  As long as secrecy within a tiny power click reigned supreme, there was no oversight to insure that those workers on the frontlines who stood the best chance of stopping those credible threats were receiving the necessary warnings and training to intercept the attackers. The best evidence of our  compromised national security is our government&#039;s non-reaction to Sullivan and Elson&#039;s desperate pleas.  They were tired of sitting on their hands waiting for their superiors to act on their recommendations to end the catastrophic Islamist threat to our airports - and so - against protocol - they took their battle to the public and to congress.  If I heard Sullivan&#039;s Boston-based plea broadcasted in Los Angeles in the summer of 2001, certainly some Catastrophic Terrorism Study Group Members must have heard about it in Washington DC or New York.  And yet, as far as I&#039;ve heard, not one of these members or members of our National Security Agency called the DOT or the FAA and said, &quot;If the public knows - the terrorists will know - We&#039;d better intervene and make certain this security gap is closed.&quot;


92% of the 9-11 casualties were caused by two hijacked airliners which departed from Boston&#039;s Logan Airport - the same airport whose poor passenger screening performances the Boston TV station exposed in their report in the late Spring of 2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really happened in the run-up to September 11th?  How did we go from being a relatively secure nation to a very insecure and fearful nation?</p>
<p>I had a close-up view of the mistakes and wrong turns of national security policy makers whose negligence led America to turn her back on the very worst of our worst enemies.</p>
<p>Was it the Democrats or  Republicans who let our guard down allowing us to be attacked by a ruthless cult of Jihadists? The fur has been flying ever since 9/11 and the answer of course, is both.   The catastrophic failure of intelligence leading to 9/11 is evidence our national security has been so thoroughly and completely compromised that both the Democrats and Republicans are scrambling for cover from a rightfully suspicious and offended public.</p>
<p>To understand why, I would suggest you read <a href="http://fourthings.4t.com/" rel="nofollow">Four Things About September 11th</a>.  </p>
<p>In short, under the guise of  hiding our vulnerabilities, the Catastrophic Terrorism Study Group led by Philip Zelikow, Ashton Carter, and John M Deutch proposed that policy discussions surrounding the most credible terror scenarios should be centralized, tightly controlled by &#8220;small groups of knowledgeable officials and expert consultants&#8221; and <a href="http://siyaset.bilkent.edu.tr/Harvard/gtrept.htm#Note2" rel="nofollow">NEVER BE PUBLISHED AT ALL.</a></p>
<p>Instead of improving our security, over time it likely had the effect of creating a list of scenarios that security analysts traded details about with as much passion as young baseball fans trade in prized baseball cards &#8211; the scenarios themselves became a prized commodity for those in power &#8211; a commodity they could not dare speak about publicly.  The end result was an intelligence nightmare and LESS security for the public not MORE.</p>
<p>Why?  As long as secrecy within a tiny power click reigned supreme, there was no oversight to insure that those workers on the frontlines who stood the best chance of stopping those credible threats were receiving the necessary warnings and training to intercept the attackers. The best evidence of our  compromised national security is our government&#8217;s non-reaction to Sullivan and Elson&#8217;s desperate pleas.  They were tired of sitting on their hands waiting for their superiors to act on their recommendations to end the catastrophic Islamist threat to our airports &#8211; and so &#8211; against protocol &#8211; they took their battle to the public and to congress.  If I heard Sullivan&#8217;s Boston-based plea broadcasted in Los Angeles in the summer of 2001, certainly some Catastrophic Terrorism Study Group Members must have heard about it in Washington DC or New York.  And yet, as far as I&#8217;ve heard, not one of these members or members of our National Security Agency called the DOT or the FAA and said, &#8220;If the public knows &#8211; the terrorists will know &#8211; We&#8217;d better intervene and make certain this security gap is closed.&#8221;</p>
<p>92% of the 9-11 casualties were caused by two hijacked airliners which departed from Boston&#8217;s Logan Airport &#8211; the same airport whose poor passenger screening performances the Boston TV station exposed in their report in the late Spring of 2001.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=835820', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tokugawa Shogunate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokugawa Shogunate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what was on those documents Sandy Berger put in his socks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what was on those documents Sandy Berger put in his socks&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=832520', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is more Clintons fault than Bush&#039;s but they are both responsible for not doing enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more Clintons fault than Bush&#8217;s but they are both responsible for not doing enough.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=819444', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would be interested in responses to this thought...

note that I have note solution to this dilemna...

Stepping way way back...It seems to me that the core  tenets behind democracy is that individuals cannot be trusted.  If you let someone have too much power, eventually that person, or the person who succeeds him/her, etc...will go to far with that power.  So...take the power away...let the masses decide thru voting...have checks and balances to keep power from being abused.  Ok, sounds good to me.

The dilemna seems to be that you really still cannot trust the individuals, and the problems has really just shifted.  And lately that shifting problem has seamed to really rear its head.  The problem is that now the people we elect are basically driven to lie, distort the truth, flame mistakes, and all sorts of other things.  There a bazillion examples from both sides.  Balancing the budget will never happen, it requires spending less, which is not popular, which means you will not be elected, which means you won&#039;t do it.  Prime example was during that 30-90 second period when it looked like we had a surplus.  Man, people lined up to spend it so fast, why, it&#039;s popular.  Thats when I realized reducing the debt is never going to happen, when extra $$ was there to make a tiny dent, we did&#039;nt want to do it.

Hmm...did not mean to digress into budget land, but my point is still there...our system encourages polarization, name calling, and promising the moon.  It is so so so rare for both parties to agree on anything.  Why, because we are truly so far apart ? or more likely, because the system punishes you for agreeing with the opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would be interested in responses to this thought&#8230;</p>
<p>note that I have note solution to this dilemna&#8230;</p>
<p>Stepping way way back&#8230;It seems to me that the core  tenets behind democracy is that individuals cannot be trusted.  If you let someone have too much power, eventually that person, or the person who succeeds him/her, etc&#8230;will go to far with that power.  So&#8230;take the power away&#8230;let the masses decide thru voting&#8230;have checks and balances to keep power from being abused.  Ok, sounds good to me.</p>
<p>The dilemna seems to be that you really still cannot trust the individuals, and the problems has really just shifted.  And lately that shifting problem has seamed to really rear its head.  The problem is that now the people we elect are basically driven to lie, distort the truth, flame mistakes, and all sorts of other things.  There a bazillion examples from both sides.  Balancing the budget will never happen, it requires spending less, which is not popular, which means you will not be elected, which means you won&#8217;t do it.  Prime example was during that 30-90 second period when it looked like we had a surplus.  Man, people lined up to spend it so fast, why, it&#8217;s popular.  Thats when I realized reducing the debt is never going to happen, when extra $$ was there to make a tiny dent, we did&#8217;nt want to do it.</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230;did not mean to digress into budget land, but my point is still there&#8230;our system encourages polarization, name calling, and promising the moon.  It is so so so rare for both parties to agree on anything.  Why, because we are truly so far apart ? or more likely, because the system punishes you for agreeing with the opposition.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=813020', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-812206</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the society that we have become, Ed. When discussions are reduced to 30-second sound bites, name calling seems to be what rises to the top. 

This is also my first time participating in a blog discussion, and to be honest, I have a hard time believing that I am doing this! I found this site looking for information about Richard Clarke, and in reading through the comments, I couldn&#039;t remain silent. 

As far as what makes someone liberal or conservative, I think that environment and human nature have a lot to do with it. The question isn&#039;t really that different from what makes a person a terrorist. The answer is that once someone is leading one way or the other, it is very easy to lead them to the extremes, and get into an &quot;us against them&quot; mentality. Which leads to the name calling, and the breaking down of civil debate.

As for me, I refuse to be categorized. I attend an evangelical church on a weekly basis, which could lable me as an extreme right wing religious fanatic. I have also opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning, which would put me into the wimpy liberal camp. While registered as a republican, that does not guide the way I vote, and i have never contributed to a political campaign. That would label me as apolitical, even though I am intensely interested in politics and the direction this country is taking. 

I guess my bottom line is that i agree that we should be in this for the long fight, we just shouldn&#039;t be fighting each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the society that we have become, Ed. When discussions are reduced to 30-second sound bites, name calling seems to be what rises to the top. </p>
<p>This is also my first time participating in a blog discussion, and to be honest, I have a hard time believing that I am doing this! I found this site looking for information about Richard Clarke, and in reading through the comments, I couldn&#8217;t remain silent. </p>
<p>As far as what makes someone liberal or conservative, I think that environment and human nature have a lot to do with it. The question isn&#8217;t really that different from what makes a person a terrorist. The answer is that once someone is leading one way or the other, it is very easy to lead them to the extremes, and get into an &#8220;us against them&#8221; mentality. Which leads to the name calling, and the breaking down of civil debate.</p>
<p>As for me, I refuse to be categorized. I attend an evangelical church on a weekly basis, which could lable me as an extreme right wing religious fanatic. I have also opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning, which would put me into the wimpy liberal camp. While registered as a republican, that does not guide the way I vote, and i have never contributed to a political campaign. That would label me as apolitical, even though I am intensely interested in politics and the direction this country is taking. </p>
<p>I guess my bottom line is that i agree that we should be in this for the long fight, we just shouldn&#8217;t be fighting each other.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=812206', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed in Portland</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-812063</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed in Portland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love to sit down with a cup of coffee with andrew and paul. We could resolve a lot of the problems on our own. 

This is the first time I&#039;ve engaged in a blog debate and am surprised how quickly i was drawn into using name calling to make sure my point was heard. i am usually very reasonable in tone and often get brushed aside as a wimpy liberal. 

I wish someone (other than John Stossel!) would do a thorough study on what makes someone inherently liberal or conservative or in-between. My position seems so correct and logical to me that when i run into someone who thinks exactly the opposite it disturbs me on many levels. I agreed with 100% of Andrew&#039;s last post. If we sat down and talked we would agreed on 95%, probably. What is it that divides us to the point where we can&#039;t have a civil debate? 

Cheers to you all for participating. We are in for the long fight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love to sit down with a cup of coffee with andrew and paul. We could resolve a lot of the problems on our own. </p>
<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve engaged in a blog debate and am surprised how quickly i was drawn into using name calling to make sure my point was heard. i am usually very reasonable in tone and often get brushed aside as a wimpy liberal. </p>
<p>I wish someone (other than John Stossel!) would do a thorough study on what makes someone inherently liberal or conservative or in-between. My position seems so correct and logical to me that when i run into someone who thinks exactly the opposite it disturbs me on many levels. I agreed with 100% of Andrew&#8217;s last post. If we sat down and talked we would agreed on 95%, probably. What is it that divides us to the point where we can&#8217;t have a civil debate? </p>
<p>Cheers to you all for participating. We are in for the long fight!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=812063', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/comment-page-11/#comment-810052</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all I think we should be proud to be in a country where people can freely bring forth their ideas. Does anyone thing such a broadcast was possible in China? The second is that assuming John O&#039;Niel depicted in the movie is all real, the regime changes should be careful enough to retain and listen to O&#039;Niels all around. The third is that fighting terrorism is not a war based on the rules of war.. its human survival.. survival and prtection of human beings.. No government can wage it alone or proclaim its destined to do so.. Its a combined effort with intelligence sharing across nations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I think we should be proud to be in a country where people can freely bring forth their ideas. Does anyone thing such a broadcast was possible in China? The second is that assuming John O&#8217;Niel depicted in the movie is all real, the regime changes should be careful enough to retain and listen to O&#8217;Niels all around. The third is that fighting terrorism is not a war based on the rules of war.. its human survival.. survival and prtection of human beings.. No government can wage it alone or proclaim its destined to do so.. Its a combined effort with intelligence sharing across nations<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=810052', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Burstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Burstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the scenes with Prince Masood, I kept expecting Peter O&#039;Toole as Lawrence of Arabia to show up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the scenes with Prince Masood, I kept expecting Peter O&#8217;Toole as Lawrence of Arabia to show up.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=808745', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good admonishment for the name calling :)

Another way to look at this, to focus energies and perhaps find common ground...

Now that it is almost 24 hours after the movie finished, there are a couple of things I think about, and notable some I don&#039;t.

- I think the movie did a good job of showing us what life is like in these parts of the world, yemen, parts of Africa, afghanistan, etc.  It&#039;s so different from my life and routing, Wendy&#039;s, Starbucks, waiting at a stoplight in a nice car, coming home to a house with green grass, browsing the internet in the evening, watching some sci-fi show etc.  Whlie I am sure the protrayal is not 100%, it was a pretty good view IMHO.  Also, the grainy filming just reinforeced the wildness.

- The movie was pretty emotional, made me mad.  But at who or what.  2 things mainly...first the bad guys, and the god be willing brainwashing that came thru, and willingness to just be bad.  Second was us (the good guys), more specifically our beuacracy (sp?).  This is not democrat/republican problem.  Every organization bigger than a dozen people has there share of fiefdoms and beuacracy, and it just gets worse with size, this applies to private/public companies, teams, and yes government.  I do not know if the Massoui seen and the laptop were real, but if they were not, I am sure something as rediculous happens all the time.  That makes me mad also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good admonishment for the name calling :)</p>
<p>Another way to look at this, to focus energies and perhaps find common ground&#8230;</p>
<p>Now that it is almost 24 hours after the movie finished, there are a couple of things I think about, and notable some I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>- I think the movie did a good job of showing us what life is like in these parts of the world, yemen, parts of Africa, afghanistan, etc.  It&#8217;s so different from my life and routing, Wendy&#8217;s, Starbucks, waiting at a stoplight in a nice car, coming home to a house with green grass, browsing the internet in the evening, watching some sci-fi show etc.  Whlie I am sure the protrayal is not 100%, it was a pretty good view IMHO.  Also, the grainy filming just reinforeced the wildness.</p>
<p>- The movie was pretty emotional, made me mad.  But at who or what.  2 things mainly&#8230;first the bad guys, and the god be willing brainwashing that came thru, and willingness to just be bad.  Second was us (the good guys), more specifically our beuacracy (sp?).  This is not democrat/republican problem.  Every organization bigger than a dozen people has there share of fiefdoms and beuacracy, and it just gets worse with size, this applies to private/public companies, teams, and yes government.  I do not know if the Massoui seen and the laptop were real, but if they were not, I am sure something as rediculous happens all the time.  That makes me mad also.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=808028', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KiserSosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>KiserSosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WASHINGTON - President Clinton (news - web sites)&#039;s national security adviser, Sandy Berger, is the focus of a criminal investigation after admitting he removed highly classified terrorism documents from a secure reading room during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings, The Associated Press has learned. 

Berger&#039;s home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (news - web sites) agents armed with warrants. Some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration&#039;s handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing. 

Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed handwritten notes he had taken from classified anti-terror documents he reviewed at the National Archives by sticking them in his jacket and pants. He also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio, they said. 

&quot;I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced,&quot; Berger said in a statement to the AP. 

Berger served as Clinton&#039;s national security adviser for all of the president&#039;s second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites). Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission. 

The FBI searched Berger&#039;s home and office with warrants earlier this year after employees of the National Archives told agents they believed they witnessed Berger put documents into his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers, officials said. 

When asked, Berger said he returned some of the classified documents, which he found in his office, and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but said he could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WASHINGTON &#8211; President Clinton (news &#8211; web sites)&#8217;s national security adviser, Sandy Berger, is the focus of a criminal investigation after admitting he removed highly classified terrorism documents from a secure reading room during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings, The Associated Press has learned. </p>
<p>Berger&#8217;s home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (news &#8211; web sites) agents armed with warrants. Some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration&#8217;s handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing. </p>
<p>Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed handwritten notes he had taken from classified anti-terror documents he reviewed at the National Archives by sticking them in his jacket and pants. He also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio, they said. </p>
<p>&#8220;I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced,&#8221; Berger said in a statement to the AP. </p>
<p>Berger served as Clinton&#8217;s national security adviser for all of the president&#8217;s second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news &#8211; web sites). Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission. </p>
<p>The FBI searched Berger&#8217;s home and office with warrants earlier this year after employees of the National Archives told agents they believed they witnessed Berger put documents into his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers, officials said. </p>
<p>When asked, Berger said he returned some of the classified documents, which he found in his office, and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but said he could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=807838', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting set of comments. I appreciate the intellegent thoughts brought forth, primarily by Ed and Andrew, but there are others as well. However there is a LOT of senseless name calling from both sides of this issue. 

The name of this website is Think Progress. If there is really to be any progress, name calling and finger pointing is not the way to get there. In fact, the &quot;us against them&quot; mentality is a lot of what has gotten us into this position.

If you look objectively at the message of Path to 9/11, you can see that there is a lot of blame to go around, on both sides of the aisle. The question we should be asking, for the sake of progress, should be &quot;what can we learn form this?&quot;

The one thing that jumps out at me is the timing of the two attacks on the WTC. Both of them came less than a year after a regime change. The terrorist organizations are not stupid, and they have figured out that there is a time of transition, where the new people in town don&#039;t trust the former administration, and have not yet gotten their own feet wet in the awesome responsibilities of their new jobs. This is a time of vulnerability that the terrorists have learned to exploit.

If there is to truly be &quot;Progress&quot;, we need to look at the fact that there very well may be another regime change in two years. What can we do to make the transition phase smoother, and safer for the American public? The mudslinging that has become a staple of politics as we know it contributes more to the problem than the solution. As we move forward on the course we are on, I fear that we will see another attack on the United States, of horrific proportions, in the summer of 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting set of comments. I appreciate the intellegent thoughts brought forth, primarily by Ed and Andrew, but there are others as well. However there is a LOT of senseless name calling from both sides of this issue. </p>
<p>The name of this website is Think Progress. If there is really to be any progress, name calling and finger pointing is not the way to get there. In fact, the &#8220;us against them&#8221; mentality is a lot of what has gotten us into this position.</p>
<p>If you look objectively at the message of Path to 9/11, you can see that there is a lot of blame to go around, on both sides of the aisle. The question we should be asking, for the sake of progress, should be &#8220;what can we learn form this?&#8221;</p>
<p>The one thing that jumps out at me is the timing of the two attacks on the WTC. Both of them came less than a year after a regime change. The terrorist organizations are not stupid, and they have figured out that there is a time of transition, where the new people in town don&#8217;t trust the former administration, and have not yet gotten their own feet wet in the awesome responsibilities of their new jobs. This is a time of vulnerability that the terrorists have learned to exploit.</p>
<p>If there is to truly be &#8220;Progress&#8221;, we need to look at the fact that there very well may be another regime change in two years. What can we do to make the transition phase smoother, and safer for the American public? The mudslinging that has become a staple of politics as we know it contributes more to the problem than the solution. As we move forward on the course we are on, I fear that we will see another attack on the United States, of horrific proportions, in the summer of 2009.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=807550', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Michael Moore and Oliver Stone can do it, why can&#039;t this producer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Michael Moore and Oliver Stone can do it, why can&#8217;t this producer?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=807095', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody reading the 9/11 Commission Report p. 112 para. 22 will see that Richard Clarke is full of &#039;it&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody reading the 9/11 Commission Report p. 112 para. 22 will see that Richard Clarke is full of &#8216;it&#8217;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=806960', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Northern Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in Northern Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the poor spelling.  I am frustrated and tired.
Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the poor spelling.  I am frustrated and tired.<br />
Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=806450', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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