Kean on Key Scene from Path to 9/11: ‘I Don’t Think The Facts Are Clear,’ ‘It Could Have Happened Any Number of Ways’
Kean on Key Scene from Path to 9/11: ‘I Don’t Think The Facts Are Clear,’ ‘It Could Have Happened Any Number of Ways’
Former 9/11 Commission co-chair Gov. Thomas Kean (R-NJ) served as a “senior consultant” for ABC’s The Path to 9/11 and “is listed in the credits as a co-executive producer.”
ABC Entertainment President Steve McPherson said Kean’s involvement was “crucial to the project” because “when you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.”
But during a conference call yesterday, Kean himself questioned the accuracy of the miniseries. Asked about a key scene in which the Clinton administration is accused of blocking a surefire chance to kill Osama bin Laden, Kean said, “I don’t think the facts are clear” about those events, and that while ABC had “chose to portray it this way,” “my memory of it is that it could have happened any number of ways.”
The New York Post summarized Kean’s perspective: “Kean…said he was all right with the made-up scene — even though the video is being peddled to high schools as a teaching aid.”
Full transcript:
Q: I mean, isn’t it the case that this film actually does show Sandy Berger hanging up the phone in the middle of a conference call, when there are U.S. personnel whose lives are at risk on the ground, and they have bin Laden in their sights, and that really nothing like that ever happened?
KEAN: Well, the question, Shaun, is whether — whether it was Sandy Berger, or whether it was the head of the CIA? Whether the call was hung up on or whether it was totally — whether it was disrupted by a failure in communications? I mean, these are all historically, I think, open questions. But again, this is a, you know, this is a miniseries, not a documentary.
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Q: On this moment, the Sandy Berger moment, to go back to that for a second, if it’s not actually supported by the Commission’s findings, how exactly did it make its way into the movie?
KEAN: Well, I think it made its way into the movie because they do base this not just on the 9/11 Commission report, but they base it on any number of other sources. I’m not aware of all of them. I’m aware of books, and I know they used “Reckless Pursuit,” [inaudible] book. I know they used “The Cell,” which is John Miller’s book. Peter Lance, I read his book, and I recognize scenes that came from “1,000 Years of Revenge,” by Peter Lance. I know there are a number of other books, articles, and interviews they used. So, where that particular — I think I know, I think I know a couple of places where they got that particular scene from — but, uh, so, so it comes from all these various, various sources.
Q: Did it raise any red flags, though, for you, someone who must have a, you know, inherent broad knowledge of these events, did these concern you at all?
KEAN: Yeah, well, I pointed out that the scene involving Afghanistan and the attempt to get bin Laden that was thwarted is a composite. There were a number of these scenes, there were a number of tribes involved. Some of the people who were shown there probably weren’t there. But, when you’re — as it was pointed out to me — when you’re doing a miniseries of this kind, you just can’t show that there were 15 tribes involved [laughs] at various times, and so on. So it is a — it’s a composite. But the basic fact is that on a number of occassions, they thought they might have been able to get bin Laden, but for any number of reasons the plug was pulled on those operations.
Q: And the fact that it implicates Sandy Berger so directly in that scene didn’t concern you?
KEAN: Well, it’s, it’s — I think the facts are, if you take that particular, that particular event when it happened, I don’t think the facts are clear, whether it’s Sandy Berger, or whether it’s the head of the CIA, whether a line went dead. I think there are, I think there are a number of — they chose to portray it this way, but my memory of it is that it could have happened any number of ways.
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Congratulations on your successful future election Senator Menendez of New Jersey.
Screw Kean.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:34 pmWhew, I was worried that 9/11 would be ignored like Katrina, but you are doing a damn fine job of keeping it front and center in the American mind.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:34 pmThomas Kean is a sell out on 9/11 and his help on the ABC phony docudrama depicting former Pres. Clinton as responsible is disgusting!
September 6th, 2006 at 1:35 pmI will be sure to inform everyone I know that this movie is a propaganda peice.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:37 pmSounds to me like Kean smelled some money to be made and ran with it. Producers don’t want facts, producers want ratings. Maybe the facts won’t get ratings? We gotta spice it up? No one cares about the truth, let’s get some pizazz in here.
For christ’s sake, is nothing sacred anymore? It would appear not.
My summary of the ABC/Disney Propaganda piece as it currently stands
September 6th, 2006 at 1:38 pmReichWingNuts sold out on 9/11 the moment they drafted the PNAC.
The Bush Cabal had plenty of warning and chose to use this as their own “Pearl Harbor” event so they could drive their own agenda. Not that the wheels of their agenda haven’t fallen off, or anything…
September 6th, 2006 at 1:38 pmThe Rove Wingers have managed to turn 5 years of failure into the progressives wasting time defending Bill Clinton for 911. Progressives should be attacking 24/7 instead of taking this absurd bait.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:39 pmKean was an awful Governor of New Jersey. Kean added 30% or 3 Billion dollars to the NJ State Debt because of his insane BUDGETS.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pm#7, Chauncey,
Bingo! You win the prize – most progs don’t understand what is going on around them, but you’re the one blind dog that found the bone.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pmYank it. NOW.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pmshame on ABC for their inexcusable propaganda
September 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pm#4 on the nose.
An attempt to re-write history, the neo-con way (if you tell a lie over and over it becomes the truth).
Surely abnormal in an abnormal world is normal…
September 6th, 2006 at 1:42 pmJason every Bush lover is clueless about everything > lol.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:42 pmI think Kean is like a whore who just found out he caught the clap from his John. I suspect this “docudrama” will go down in flames and is gonna make Dan Rather look miniscule in comparison. Any parents of High Schoolers out there, make sure your kid’s History teacher doesn’t plan on using the slanted Scholastic (”generously sponsored by ABC”) “study guides”.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:43 pm9/11 Commission co-chair Gov. Thomas Kean (R-NJ) “my memory of it is that it could have happened any number of ways.”
Ok, Mr. Kean. You co-chaired the investigation. You helped write the book. And now you claim you can’t remember the facts? Why didn’t you just go back and check your own report?
SPEAKING OF REPORTS, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO PHASE II????
September 6th, 2006 at 1:44 pmWhew, I was worried that 9/11 would be ignored like Katrina, but you are doing a damn fine job of keeping it front and center in the American mind.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
That’s because we are still waiting for the Bush Administration to bring OBL and those responsible for it to justice. Just out of curiosity, pal, how many more years do you think it will be before George and his posse brings them in? Another five years?
One place I think we can safely rule out of finding bin Laden is some back alley in downtown Baghdad, don’t you think?
September 6th, 2006 at 1:48 pmHIs memory “is that it could have happened any number of ways”? What? How does that even make sense.
He’s basically trying to shrug any responsibility he had in being the consultant to avoid taking reponsibility for his role in this smear piece.
What kind of answer is that, anyway?
1) He doesn’t think the facts are clear. How can facts be unclear? 2+2=4 is a fact. How can that be unclear? Either these are facts or they are not…they can’t be factual if their presentation in this movie is unclear. That is like saying lies are simply facts that are “unclear”
2) ABC chose to present it that way? At no point does he say that he defended the use of more “clear” facts or that he pointed out that it didn’t happen this way. I wonder what ABC will do now that they’ve been thrown under the buss by their consultant? DId ABC chose to present a lie to the public or did they chose to alter factual events to appear more against Clinton than the reality is? What was ABCs choice here?
3) His memory is that it could have happened any number of ways. WHAT? Is he saying that he has a number of different MEMORIES on this issue? Isn’t that called schizophrenia? How can he have a number of different memories regarding a historical event. Either he remembers it or he doesn’t. Either he has a clear memory of the facts or he doesn’t. You can’t have a number of different memories.
Or he is literally saying that, according to his memory, there were a number of different accounts of what truly happened and he isn’t sure which is the real one. If that is the case than how can he deny any responsibility for being wrong and how can he defend ABCs version with any credibility? How can he even call the version “factual” unclear or not when he admits to now knowing what really happened?
September 6th, 2006 at 1:48 pmKean has always known that the 9/11 report he helped to write is a complete whitewash of what actually occured > he is an accomplice in lying to the American people to cover-up a heinous crime that most likely was/is a government instigated conspiracy, so now Kean in conjunction with ABC is trying to brainwash baloney into the minds of children and adults who are slow-witted {meaning most Bush lovers}!
September 6th, 2006 at 1:50 pmis this the new “Global Warming”
September 6th, 2006 at 1:52 pm#19, btru….
Obviously, that’s all you’ve got, because you’ve copied my statements numerous times to only say ROTFL. Next you are going to make incisive statements like “I’m rubber and you’re glue …”
September 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pmRemember: a “composite” is an artificial material invented to serve a function that other materials can’t. What function does Kean’s “composite” serve that the truth can’t?
September 6th, 2006 at 1:56 pmObviously, that’s all you’ve got
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Try me. You know, Mr. Hendler, you really ought to try and grow up.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:57 pmSo the near-capture of bin Laden in this docudrama is a “composite?”
A “composite” of what?
“Composite” implies that they condensed things THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED in order to make the story either more exciting or fit into a time constraint. If things never happened, they are not composites, they are fabrication.
Here’s an example Kean might better understand. I plan to make a docudrama about a former male Kean intern, and all the responsibilities that intern had. I then claim one of those responsibilities included this intern mounting Kean and riding him like a bucking bronco, thrice weekly, for the duration of that young man’s internship.
And when people closest to Kean called him up to ask if he was indeed using his intern as a well-oiled boy toy, why, Tommy just HUNG UP the phone! Do you believe him? What NERVE!
If I made THAT movie, Kean would raise holy hell, no matter how much I defended myself by saying “But…it’s a COMPOSITE of that intern’s responsibilities! I’m not CLAIMING this is 100% fact! It’s a COMPOSITE! Watch the movie! And then we can discuss our differences of opinion as to whether this intern made Kean squeal like a school girl dozens of times!”
Kean would be livid! Kean would try to sue me for every cent I had and more! Why? Because it’s not a “composite” of events if some of those events never happened!
OOOoooohhhhhh…aaaaaahhhhh…see, NOW it might make sense to ya, Tommy Boy.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:03 pmMr. Hendler hasn’t defended anything yet. He’s just throwing his pithy little comments out to see who dites. No facts, no substance, no backbone. Kind of like those tiny dogs that still yip away while knowing you could crush them with your foot.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI guess Mr. Hendler’s German roots sometimes get the best of him.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:04 pmThis is literally the moment of TRUTH.
Truth vs. “composite”
Facts vs. “dramatization”
People vs. corporate goals
Education vs. propaganda
Have YOU done enough?
September 6th, 2006 at 2:06 pmHave you, written or called ABC, your local ABC affiliate, your congressperson or senator?
Have you tried to contact the other members of the 9/11 Commission to get them to object to this misrepresentation of their report?
If they go through with this garbage, will you refuse to watch?
Will you call your local high school to find out if History teachers are using a “docudrama” to give out assignments and grades?
Will you boycott ABC, their subsidiaries (i.e., ESPN), their affiliates, and sponsors of this travesty?
das ist goot heir sixpack
September 6th, 2006 at 2:06 pmApparently this is delibrate misinformation foisted on the public. We depend on journalism to seek truth. A major media event of six hours without ads tells me this is a dirty trick, heinous misuse of public airtime, and a new low for public information sources. Why not blame Cain for such evil among us? This would fit right in to the so-called faith basis for policies. Or better yet, why not blame Prescott Bush, grandfather of the Resident in the White House, for his twiddling with a WWII enemy? Where does any act of terrorism begin? How can anyone determine exactly what “winning a war” means? So far, I have not hear any benchmarks for “winning this war.” I do have benchmarks of the chronology of misinformation and disinformation, and incidents of demagoguery to pound the drums of fear. I am a dedicated citizen who believes in the U.S. Constitution, and I abhor those who choose to ignore it — no, flout it. ABC has, by this media blitz of untruthfulness, demonstrated its total lack of regard for facts. Mary T. Armantrout
September 6th, 2006 at 2:07 pmLinks are to progressives as bible verses are to fundamentalists. As long as a prog has a link, they think they have a point.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pmHendler and I had a bit of a discussion on the Bolton thread. I see he’s jumped from that discussion now. It seems his political views align with fascism, and his “Christianity” is more akin to Satanism.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pmhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/06/giyus_megaphone/
Have you goys seen this!? There’s an Israeli software that is being used to influence talkbacks and polls across Europe and America!
September 6th, 2006 at 2:14 pmTranslation: Just because you all like to form opinions based on actual facts doesn’t mean I have to — instead, I’ll just deflect the issue and rarely (if ever) bother providing anything based in reality.
Sorry, but while you can have your own opinion, you can NOT have your own facts. That’s why this “docudrama” is a crock … and probably why you think it’s just dandy.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:14 pmBris,
I couldn’t be farther from fascism. I believe in free markets – no government ownership, no government price / wage fixing. Moreover, government should provide tax breaks, land grants, etc. to encourage businesses to provide for the common good, which is somewhat socialist.
I am not a Satanist. I have just suspended my Christianity until I conclude my fight.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:15 pmAs long as a prog has a link, they think they have a point.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
(_!_)
September 6th, 2006 at 2:16 pm… so did ABC leave the scenes in where Bush was told by Putin about concerns the US would be hit?
… and did they leave the scenes in where the Egyptions, Jordanians, as well as the French and German intellegence services were strongly warning US intellegence services of a pending attack?
… and did they leave the scenes in where Bush failed to direct the airlines to strengthen their doors prior to the attacks?
… and did they leave the scenes in where Darth Cheney had the military stand down on the day of the attacks so the could run simulations of, well, this attack?
… and did they leave the scenes in where Saddam had nothing to do with the attacks, yet Emperor Bush wanted to hit Iraq before he stomped all over Afghanistan?
These scenes were never in the original script? Really! Color me shocked!!! The resultant ABC “docudrama” must be pure fiction then!
September 6th, 2006 at 2:17 pmLil ol’ Jason doesn ‘t have an argument, he’s just argumentative. Facts and logic have no part in his “yeah sez you” snits.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:18 pmJason
September 6th, 2006 at 2:19 pmAs long as you have the top of your head, you have a point.
Despite the growing outcry over its conservative 9/11 historical fiction packaged as fact, ABC is proceeding full speed ahead with this weekend’s “Path to 9/11.” The contrast with CBS’ 2003 capitulation over its controversial mini-series “The Reagans” could not be more stark. The only similarity is both networks’ kowtowing to the pressure and the agenda of the right.
For the story, see:
September 6th, 2006 at 2:19 pm“The Right Wins Again: ABCs “9/11″ and CBS’s “Reagans”.”
#33, Unholy Moses (love the moniker),
NO
Links are just more opinions like the ones you are espousing – not facts. I can debate you without linking to corroborating opinions.
I like this and all the other docu-dramas on 9/11, because it will rekindle awareness of the events of 9/11 in the minds of American voters.
Whatever happened to all those Katrina docu-dramas that were going to be televised – I guess I missed them when I was reading up on Jon-Benet.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:19 pmWould it do any good to contact the FCC on this travesty?
http://www.fcc.gov/contacts.html
September 6th, 2006 at 2:20 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — September 6, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
THANK YOU!!! I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time!!!!
September 6th, 2006 at 2:23 pm34 – I said your political views align with fascism. Your rebuttal deals with economics, not politics, however, Fascists made corporate profits. And fascists supported social programs for the common good. In fact, their ethnic cleansing of Jews was for the “common good.”
A lot can be justified when you suspend your Christianity for the fight…
September 6th, 2006 at 2:29 pmOnce again jmh you claim something by typing but don’t support it. Links are not just opinions if they are supporting the initial argument with facts. If I were to say it’s raining in phoenix and link to the weather channel showing the current weather in phoenix and it’s raining, then that’s a fact.
This thread is to expound on the falsehoods that are being pushed with this docu-drama. The falsehoods are supported by links that would require you to do additional reading. If there is no more room in your head for original or differing viewpoints then just say so and you’ll be accepted as such. But don’t just mindlessly type away talking points and jump to the next subject.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:29 pmI like this and all the other docu-dramas on 9/11, because it will rekindle awareness of the events of 9/11 in the minds of American voters.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I figured you would. As for me, I don’t need a docu-drama to remind me that after FIVE (5) YEARS junior and company still can’t find Osama bin Laden, his #2 man, the Egyptian doctor with the birdshit on his forehead, or even the one-eyed Talaban cleric who protected them.
Perhaps the Democrats should mention that when they respond to the film.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:29 pmLinks are just more opinions like the ones you are espousing – not facts. I can debate you without linking to corroborating opinions.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 6, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
Care to debate this, since you’ve sidestepped every time:
Don’t worry, no sane person would ever bother asking a liberal to defend their country, so you can stay safe in your flip-flops and bermuda shorts.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
have just suspended my Christianity until I conclude my fight.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 6, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
So now you’ve enlisted…good for you!
September 6th, 2006 at 2:30 pmMaybe you can convince your fellow officers that you graduated from Stanford, an “Ivy league school”
Jason M. Hendler sez:
One of the main strategies in the reighwingnut troll handbook is to constantly demand that your opponents cite sources for their arguments, and dismiss any and all sources provided as ‘opinion’, ‘unsubstantiated’, ‘biased’, etc. Meanwhile, your own points are inviolate, as they are ‘obvious’, and do not require any external corroboration.
Jason is following the handbook faithfully, as always.
Sorry, Jason, but we like to back up our debate points with evidence, and we require our opponents to do the same. Progs are weird like that.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#43, Bris,
Excellent points to be sure, but a fight against disciples of Sun Tsu cannot be one following Christian rules, since Machevellian deception is key.
#46, DRxJ,
Different fight …
September 6th, 2006 at 2:34 pm#47, Trip,
Reps demand Dems provide facts, because they like to make statements like “everyone loves abortion, so should you” and “John Kerry is going to be President”, so it just begs the question “How in the hell do you figure that?”
September 6th, 2006 at 2:37 pmJason has the start of a whole new business with that “suspend my Christianity until I complete this fight” philosophy. He can start a chain of “Hypocrisy Training Schools” where he can teach you to “suspend your sanity until you complete your two year vacation”, “suspend your honesty until you get mommy to blame your brother”, and “suspend your fidelity until you complete your affair”.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#40, erm not if those links are fully sourced media articles. Then they are probably facts as best as can a google-monkey. A bible verse is, well an English translation of a Latin translation of a Greek translation of Aramaic and Hebrew fairy stories, decided upon by a bunch of Roman mysoginists directed by the first born-again Christian. I’d put more credence in say, the cherry-picked climate science facts of say, a science fiction book, than the bible.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#49, btru …
Not to worry, I’ve had corporate sponsorship for all my training and education, which is how it is supposed to work. Government run training and education does a terrible job of preparing people for the business world. Unfortunately, the government is only interested in indoctrinating students with liberal viewpoints, hence their inability to contribute to the marketplace.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:39 pmI support Jason suspending his Christianity, pity he didn’t pick secular humanism though. Although the rituals for Satanism have a certain ‘je ne sais quoi’ attraction….
September 6th, 2006 at 2:41 pm#53, Terry,
… but if it’s written by a liberal, then you just can’t trust that source …”
September 6th, 2006 at 2:42 pmGI Bill – liberal viewpoint – and therefore all those GI’s with their new educations were completely unable to contribute to society. I find myself urged to commit an ad hominem attack on Mr Hendler, if only I could stop laughing…
September 6th, 2006 at 2:43 pmbtru,
I am forced to apply the rules of my opponent. They zig, I zag.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:43 pmJason
Reps demand Dems provide facts, because they like to make statements like “everyone loves abortion, so should youâ€
Proof that Dems make such statements?? (Actually, by analyzing your sentence with “Reps” as the subject in the first clause suggests that “they” in the second clause refers to “Reps” who make such statements. I just did an edit for you, Mr. Stanford.)
September 6th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#50 Just like “We know where the wmd’s are” – Rummy. Or how about “last throes” – Cheney. This one’s good “the war may last 6 days, or 6 months but I doubt it will last longer”. I also like when wolfowitz said the est. number of soldiers provided by a senior Gen. in preperation for the Iraq conflict and it’s occupation afterward of 325,000 was vastly overated. How completely wrong and self desructive for each of these screwers of the country.
The list could go on and on and on but others here (if not u) get it.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pmJason….please explain, since you’ve answered none of my questions, how does one “suspend their christianity”, and why?
September 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pmNo need for links, since you’re not a “prog”
Jason M. Hendler sez:
(No, really…he said that. Scroll up if you don’t believe me.)
Is this really the best you can do, Jason? I’m disappointed.
“everyone loves abortion, so should you†?
“John Kerry is going to be President�
I’ve seen straw men before, but yours are by far the flimsiest I’ve ever seen. Did you learn these stellar debate skills at the ‘ivy league’ Stanford?
Honestly, Jason, log off before you hurt yourself.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pm#61, Terry,
You are correct, the government paying for college educations at private institutions for GI’s is a good program, but public schools K-12 aren’t working. I would provide the link to John Stossel’s “Stupid in America” segment on how we don’t even compare to Europe, but it’s a TV show.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pm“I am forced to apply the rules of my opponent. They zig, I zag.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler”
Ah, yes. Your ‘opponent’ commits a heinous and immoral act of violence against you or your family and you retaliate in exact kind. Your girlfriend goes out with some other guy, so you go cheat on her. Yeah. There’s some moral action for you.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:46 pm#70, btru,
NO
I merely have to adapt to counter my opponent, not copy them.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:48 pm#59 ah those facts they have that pesky liberal bias don’t they, Jason? How did you graduate if you can’t think critically?
September 6th, 2006 at 2:48 pmjust a thought sez:
It’s OK, JAT….Jason ’suspended his Christianity’ beforehand.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:49 pmFunny how the funding for schools is either cut or so wrapped up in standardized tests to appease the Repugs that half the school year in public schools is spent preparing for these tests to keep the school funded rather than actually teaching the children substance and in an unrestricted teaching environment.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:49 pmJason, I second the motion to hear exactly HOW one “suspends his Christianity”. How does that work, and why?
September 6th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#72, btru,
You take correlation for cause and effect. Parents that make money also know how to involve themselves in their children’s schools and learning. Money does not make good schools – John Stossels documentary showed that in their spot about the Kansas City public schools, in which they got first class facilities, but didn’t improve their test scores.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:50 pmI think Jason has disExleyia. A malfunction of the eyes and brain that render the reader of propaganda and lies to see fact and truth.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:51 pmJason, are you using John Stossel as your defense? surely Ann Coulter has said something along this line. I mean Stossel, c’mon
September 6th, 2006 at 2:52 pmThanks, dlet…that made me laugh out loud.
Perhaps we should start a list of cognative diseases named after the trolls here.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#77, btru,
When my opponent attacks me with a knife, I cause them to stab themselves. It’s not Christian, yet I am not stabbing them myself – I have applied their rules to counter them, not copy them.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:54 pmWell, the problem is that you’re conflating providing links to actual facts (i.e. a non-political scientific study, actual history, etc.) with providing links to opinions (i.e. most blogs, op-ed writers, etc.)
If anyone links to the latter, then the link should be taken at face value.
But if anyone links to the former, then it’s kinda hard to dispute, is it not?
I ask because this “docudrama” is NOT factual. Period. You (generic, not you specifically) cannot say X happened when, in reality, Y happened. When you do so, you are LYING. Period (space space).
I would, too, IF THEY WERE BASED IN TRUTH.
For example, how about a docudrama that brings up the FACT that Bush had warning (the August memo)?
How about they bring up the FACT that the GOP Congress blocked Clinton’s attempt at more robust anti-terrorism measures?
To be honest, I think this thing will backfire — instead of people buying the fact that Clinton was to blame (since the attacks happened on Bush’s watch), perhaps they’ll wonder, “Why haven’t we punished those responsible? Why the hell are we in Iraq?”
$1 to the person who can rationally explain to me what the hell Katrina has do with this issue.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:54 pmJason, I’ve been happily married for 10 years to a truly loving wife, and have 4 (sometimes) wonderful children. If, say, Janet Jackson suddenly comes into my life, and wants to have a one time only, all night affair, then can I “suspend my christianity”?
September 6th, 2006 at 2:54 pmJust curious
#84, btru,
Nah, John Stossel covered all your arguments – there’s my link, so you progs should submit.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:56 pmTrip,
September 6th, 2006 at 2:56 pmnp. Always happy to spread cheer. As for the the naming of disease-troll hybrids….let’s work on it.
#77 Btru – Jason got the Mehlman memo: he’s ‘adapting to win’.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:56 pmDrxJ: Yes, I believe you can. After all, Janet Jackson is assaulting you with her sexuality, and if you follow the Tao of Jason, you are, afetr all, forced to apply the rules of your opponent, and assault her in return.
(God, he just makes it too easy…)
September 6th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#94, I would call that a cardinal fact, btru…
September 6th, 2006 at 2:59 pmjmh, you mean Stossel is taking up the charge against ABC and this mocudrama? That is what this link is about.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:59 pm#87, DRxJ,
Um, if you are using Janet Jackson as the proverbial Helen of Troy, then I question your ability to reason properly. Next time, use Shakira.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:59 pmJason M. Hendler has managed to hijack the entire thread.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:01 pmQuite an attention getting device Jason.
Will you be going back to junior high this week?
What will you spend your Rovian Troll pay on? Candy bars?
Jason M. Hendler sez
Wow…you’ve completely abandoned all pretense of trying to make sense, haven’t you? How courageous…and pathetic.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:01 pmearlier from JMH
#53, Terry,
… but if it’s written by a liberal, then you just can’t trust that source …â€
isn’t Jesus a liberal. Jason, why do you hate Jseus?
September 6th, 2006 at 3:03 pmKean said, “I don’t think the facts are clear†about those events, and that while ABC had “chose to portray it this way,†“my memory of it is that it could have happened any number of ways.â€
Then kean asked what the definition of “is” is.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#99, btru,
You wanted a link, then you dismiss the facts waved right under your nose. Ann Coulter did cover this situation in her book “How to Talk to Liberals, if You Really Have To”. Facts assault what you feel to be true, so you reject them whole-bodily, which is why it is pointless to debate you.
My purpose here is to point out the brick wall before and as you run into it, so that when you get up, you don’t blame the person standing closest to you for hitting you in the head.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:04 pmJason
If you don’t think money has anything to do with quality of education you are not a very good capitalist. More money allows better books, teachers, and facility. This may not make a lot of difference for kids with educated parents, other opportunities based on family income, parents who value education. But it does matter in terms of the at-risk kids, which is exactly where our money does not go. Further, comparing schools across nations is not scientifically sound, at least the way its done. Our family had an exchange student from Japan, where education is supposed to be better than the U.S. Our student was able to memorize and regurgitate facts extremely well, even with the language barrier. But she had trouble with essay questions, discussions, and applications which went beyond the language issue. Why? She explained that Japanese schools are all about memorizing, not applying.
Really, Jason, why do you continue to set yourself up for such falls?
September 6th, 2006 at 3:04 pmI hate to go off-topic here, but since I actually live in Kansas City, just thought I’d refute this one (kinda):
The KC School District is definitely a mess. And throwing money at it surely won’t solve the problem — a corrupt school board, parents who don’t care, and decades of neglect are difficult to overcome with $$ alone.
But the school Stossel showed last week (I saw it myself) showed ONE SCHOOL. That’s it — one. The rest of the funds were spent:
1. Bussing kids to the ‘burbs due to a ridiculous desegregation order (the city is segregated, not the school district).
2. Mismanagement — again, the school board is the most inept and clueless bunch of asshats you’ll ever meet.
3. New buildings — some of the schools literally had no hot water. Pretty sad, really.
So, to simply say that government funding is inheirently bad (as Stossel did) is disengenuous (sp?) at best. There are MANY other factors that led to millions being wasted.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:04 pmJason, is it the pain getting or giving you prefer. I’m betting your on the receiving end
September 6th, 2006 at 3:04 pmUm, if you are using Janet Jackson as the proverbial Helen of Troy, then I question your ability to reason properly. Next time, use Shakira.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Question all you want, just answer the damn question instead of side stepping like you normally do. And while I’ve got your attention, please address this:
Don’t worry, no sane person would ever bother asking a liberal to defend their country, so you can stay safe in your flip-flops and bermuda shorts.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
September 6th, 2006 at 3:05 pmI’m sure alot of veterans and current members of the armed forces would love to hear from you
#100 “Jason M. Hendler has managed to hijack the entire thread.
Quite an attention getting device Jason.”
That’s because there is a sick cat-like amusement with toying with the brainwashed necon stooges. You know, the verbal equivalent of batting them with extended claws. I know that’s MY problem ( :) ).
September 6th, 2006 at 3:05 pmWell, gotta go, have fun.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:06 pmhellinabucket sez:
As Jason has ’suspended his Christianity’, he doesn’t need to answer that question.
(BTW, Jason, what’s the procedure for ’suspending one’s Christianity’? Are there many forms to fill out?)
September 6th, 2006 at 3:06 pmJason H. I was reading thru this thread and as a fellow Christian, right-winger, and apparently also a “Troll”, I have to disagree with you suspending your Christianity for anything. Maybe you should rethink or rephrase that before you give all Christians a bad name.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:11 pmJason says this at #30
Links are to progressives as bible verses are to fundamentalists. As long as a prog has a link, they think they have a point.
Then says this at #104
You wanted a link, then you dismiss the facts waved right under your nose
I ask Jason about “suspending Christianity” and gave what I thought was a darned good example, and he replys:
Um, if you are using Janet Jackson as the proverbial Helen of Troy, then I question your ability to reason properly. Next time, use Shakira.
which does not answer the question.
Finally, Jason struck a nerve a couple weeks back, that would piss anyone who has served/ is serving this country. I’ve called him to task on this every opportunity I can
Don’t worry, no sane person would ever bother asking a liberal to defend their country, so you can stay safe in your flip-flops and bermuda shorts.
His reply
Well, gotta go, have fun.
Thus endeth the debate with JMH
September 6th, 2006 at 3:16 pmWhat the heck are Bermuda shorts anyways?
September 6th, 2006 at 3:18 pmIsn’t a debate opposing viewpoints supported by facts and examples. I really didn’t see much of that. It was quite fun though.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:19 pm#120
September 6th, 2006 at 3:22 pmPoint well taken. Let’s just say it was an “exchange”, to which JMH upped and left!
#110 – Jason did you ‘cut and run’?
September 6th, 2006 at 3:25 pmI added a little original copy to my letter.
Catapulting the propaganda, eh Roger. You’re a Hollywood kind of guy. I’m sure you know what a fluffer is. Well, ABC is in solid fluffer territory here. You know you are. Your show is PROPAGANDA. You are enabling and promoting lies. This county has taken a hit from the Bush administration and from propagandists like ABC. But the country isn’t brain dead yet and what you are doing is obvious and will be scorned. My image of you and the company you represent is very, very negative. I will be happy to read and pass on as much factual information regarding your falsehoods as I can.
Regards,
September 6th, 2006 at 3:25 pm#116 – you’re not a troll Coach… THIS is a troll:
I hate the French, they pretty much invented the Filthy Left.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 1, 2005 @ 10:28 pm
Hey, what does a Mexcian know about ethics anyway?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 25, 2005 @ 12:41 pm
I think the lesson here is that if you can’t say something nice about the Negro in New Orleans, don’t say anything at all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 7, 2005 @ 9:43 am
[Mexican corruption] is a problem but nothing a little Puritan Fundamentalist Christianity couldn’t cure. Ever notice that everything the Catholics touch turns to shit?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 22, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
Left wing non religious Jews are the problem. Period. I wonder if the Germans had the same problem with y’all?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 20, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
There’s nothing wrong with the South that a few thousand dangling from the nearest light pole Leftists wouldn’t cure.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:27 pmComment by I-RIGHT-I — September 4, 2005 @ 1:08 pm
We need more women in the kitchen cooking dinner.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 1, 2005 @ 2:47 pm
[Women should NOT vote] Because they f e e l , they don’t think. There are exceptions to the rule and they all agree with me.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 2, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
That’s right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren’t worth a shit at picking leaders.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
It was the Republicans in congress that moved the American Negro out of the era of Jim Crow and into the Super Bowl.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
coachjason, being a Christian and a “right-winger” does not necessarily mean you’re a “troll.”
Stick around. read. I’m sure we’ll find some common grounds, as I totally agree with your last sentence.
Peace
September 6th, 2006 at 3:30 pmcoachjason
September 6th, 2006 at 3:30 pmROTFL – rolling on the floor laughing
I had to learn this too by deduction when I started blogging about two months ago. Hang in there.
Thanks for the definition… the best i could come up with on my own is “Root Out The Friggin Lefties”. But I assumed again that that could not possibly be right. ;-}
September 6th, 2006 at 3:34 pm#128 – hmm I’ve read parts of the bible – lots of smiting, putting people to the sword, stoning, mysoginy, taking of foreskins in the name of God and fantastical stunts, talking donkeys and all. Not for me frankly. Now that dude in the New Testament, some kind of crypto-trot talking about the meek and letting people off for their sins with a simple ‘mea culpa’…. well I just don’t know… bit of an extremist, him.
“Well if that’s what monotheism is all about, you can keep it – get away from me with that knife you psycho” – Anonymous witness to Abraham inventing circumcism
September 6th, 2006 at 3:36 pmPLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) — Were it not for you, I wouldn’t be here in the first place. Thanks for the previous invite. Believe it or not, this is fun for me. The ones who take the time to exchange good dialogue are the ones I’d say I’m learning from. I hope we can keep theproverbial lines open for future debate.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#137 – doh – circumcision
September 6th, 2006 at 3:38 pm“Well if that’s what monotheism is all about, you can keep it – get away from me with that knife you psycho†– Anonymous witness to Abraham inventing circumcism
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
September 6th, 2006 at 3:40 pmPlease go to http://www.nocirc.org. It’s a group of intactivists (like myself) viehemently against routine infant circumcision.
care to explain that one? Religiously insensitive? I call it People compassionate! If that’s not a definition that works for you, then I guess your Athiesm will not work for me either.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:42 pmJesus was Jewish, I am not
September 6th, 2006 at 3:43 pmI suppose you think you can defend your circumcision?
September 6th, 2006 at 3:43 pmClinton didn’t have a “surefire” way to kill OBL, but he was giving a chance to kill him. Sadly, he turned tail and decided to not take that chance. I won’t second guess him because OBL had killed under 1k worth of americans at that point. In hind sight, he should have killed OBL. At least it would have stopped 9/11 and 3k+ american deaths.
I guess Clinton wasn’t perfect either.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:44 pm145, ok. I missed that. I do notice he shows up just after Hendler leaves….
Speaking of which, Hendler did provide me with the best laughs I’ve had in a long time. But let’s face it, Hendler is not here to learn, but to get attention, even if it’s negative attention. He’s like a Seixon or an I-Right-I who can spell.
Can we think of anything to add to the Kean debate?
September 6th, 2006 at 3:46 pmHey look….Roger_Roger aka Jason M Hendler aka Seixon is back!
September 6th, 2006 at 3:47 pm#144 – as someone said to me recently: if you believe in God, and God makes you in his image, then what’s with the lopping off of the knob? Did God send out a ’service pack and release notes’ with every boy? Does these mean God is fallible? Or if you don’t believe in God, don’t you think evolution will deal with the foreskin in its own time…?
“Your new monotheistic God told you do to what?” – Another Anonymous witness to the first circumcision
“Abraham, put the knife down, you’ll be fine, we can probably fix that back up in a jiffy. And I’m sure that whatever it is that’s upsetting you, we can talk it over with the tribal elders, but let’s start by putting the knife down, nice and slow.” – First tribal elder on the scene of the first circumcision.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:48 pmHere’s a thought. We can blame everyone under the sun on who should have stopped OBL but that won’t change anything. Where’s the outrage after 9/11 and we know it was OBL and that little crab is still walking this earth. Who do we blame for that?
Should of, would of and could of mean shit. Where are the can and will in eradicating him?
Sure Clinton could have done more and sure Reagan didn’t have to create him and yes Bush I didn’t have to get so financially chummy but that is all farts in the wind now.
5 years ago this happened and he still walks the earth. Nobody but Bush is to blame for this.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:52 pm#151 – Roger_Roger, you’re repeating a lie and hoping it will be taken as fact.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Read page 199 of “The 9/11 Commission Report” to find out that Pres. Clinton had given authority to CIA Director Tenet to call in a strike on Usama bin Laden if they could get him, but they never got verification that he would be killed by a missle strike. Sorry, but your repeating a lie does not make it true.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:01 pmI can tell by how far you’ve gotten off the topic of this thred that you fear both me and the Bible. Sad, very sad. An Athiests afraid of a Christian. and I have nothing to do with Mighty aphrodite or Jason H. But it appears you fit right into the mold of one of us christians… dishonest, disrespectful, and hate-filled. BTE how’s the new curtains for your glass house?
September 6th, 2006 at 4:01 pmthat should say BTW, my bad.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:02 pmAre you afraid I would use Leviticus to attack you.
Comment by coachjason
Was he the elf in the Lord of the Rings?
September 6th, 2006 at 4:02 pmActually he was a Sith in Star Wars
September 6th, 2006 at 4:03 pmCatch you guys on the flip side. As much fun as this has been, I have business to tend to. Have a good evening all.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:05 pmKean is doing this to buck up the polls for his son who is running for US Senate in NJ. He is a few points ahead–not enough to be secure.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:13 pm#167 and 168 – funny stuff. Didn’t Kirk Douglas play him in a film with Tony Curtis? “I’m leviticus” “No, I’m leviticus”. Well at least nobody started quoting bible verses at each other. Take it easy, coach…
September 6th, 2006 at 4:15 pmI think Leviticus was an ocean liner….hit the Andrea Doria, I believe….
September 6th, 2006 at 4:18 pm#170 – sorry – circumcision is not a Christian value. I know of millions of Christians who have their foreskins. Not that I’ve checked them all you understand, but a representative sample, I suppose, 5 or 6 in the locker room. Just a quick peak.
Not all cultures ride camels in the desert and have to keep the sand out of their privates by taking extreme measures.
And I don’t think you are encouraging coach to come back with your posting style. He/she does not fall into the troll camp.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:19 pm176 TerrytheTurtle
September 6th, 2006 at 4:25 pmI agree that coachjason is being broadly brushed with very little information. I did encourage him to stay, as he was ready to leave this site after seeing all the name-calling (and he was right about that). He has described himself as a Christian conservative willing to debate and learn. Until he proves he is just here to harrass or hijack the thread, I think we need to be respectful toward him. That does not mean he gets a pass about his conservatism, but I really do object to people insulting his (and, therefore, my) religious beliefs just because these beliefs are not shared. Now, if those beliefs are used as a basis for public policy – I’m right in line with the progressives in confronting and challenging.
I think all the filmmakers and studio honchos and tv networks should take their 9/11 movies and shove ‘em up their cumulative assholes.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:29 pm#176
September 6th, 2006 at 4:30 pmI lived in Eastern Europe for a while in a country where they are Eastern Orthodox Christians and they don’t circumsize as a practice either.
I have a short blog
September 6th, 2006 at 4:35 pmhere. Boycott ABC.
Take a look at the re-opened comments section on the blog – still no conservatives bashing the movie, as the writer asserted.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:44 pmso Kean wasn’t there, but used his credibility as the Repugnican head of the 9/11 whitewash commission…
hmm.. i thought the repugs were going to start nasty and finish nastier this election season… turns out instead they are going to immolate all of their best politicians by fanning the flames of our national tragedy.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:06 pmDamn!!!
does this fall under “If its on TV it must be true”? Why would anyone believe the trash on TV even if it is portrayed as true? And how can reich-wing nuts trust it if it doesn’t come from FOX?
Disney is playing its ABC card so it can keep having GAY DAY at the parks and hopefully get that pesky FCC under control. “Less Government” means no FCC policeing the airways, right “less government”conservatives?”
Good chance that if Al Gore had been in the White House on 9/11, the attacks would not have happened! Why not? Because Islamic radicals would have not had indications of increased American hedgemony. We might have seen the usual rumblings due to support of Israel etc., but thats probaly it. I base this on the 12 years history prior to 9/11.
We aren’t scaring terrorist with Iraq, we are just looking stupid, everytime W opens his mouth we sound stupid. Oh well…
September 6th, 2006 at 5:08 pmTexasJuice
The victims of 9/11 deserve more.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:11 pmThis movie is a perfect opportunity for another network to shred it to pieces.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:11 pmRe: 187 You have yet to hit me with a single fact! I’m also wondering what bs I offered that you refer to. The only discussion we’ve had is on my religon and compassion for my fellow man and your staunch lack of either.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:32 pmSo come on, let’s hear it! Hit me with one of your so called facts. Judging by your previous posts, I’m sure you’ll skip right over facts and go directly to name calling. You are so good at that!
Cop-out Keane! This guy is slimy. Every time I see him and he appears to have some iota of decorum, I get this filty feeling about him. He’s a charlatan, that’s apparent by his comments about 9/11.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:34 pmI see that numbnuts Jason has littered this blog with detritus once again. Some people don’t have enough sense to come in out of the rain. His comments are inane and often pretty ridiculous. He’s obviously very angry and perhaps should take his absurd comments to his right wingnut blog where he may be appreciated. He’s a litterbug on this blog and a nuisance.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:37 pmSuggie, I think you have me confused with Jason Hendler. I swear I’m not him because I somewhat agree with what you think of him. My last initial is also H. so I use coachjason to avoid confusion.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:41 pmThanks for the clarification of the similarity in the monikers, CoachJason. No, it was not your posts at all to which I referred; contrarily, I find yours filled with thoughtful, heartfelt comments. I believe that the other Jason is a “paid troll” for the GOP who attempts to hijack these threads every day. He’s definitely not worth anyone’s attention and it is very disappointing to find him littering up our precious space with his gibberish.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:46 pm“Damn!!!
does this fall under “If its on TV it must be trueâ€? Why would anyone believe the trash on TV even if it is portrayed as true?”
Texas Juice (What, by the way is Texas Juice?), great questions Tex. If you look at the picture of Fox News under the headline ” Fox’s E.D. Hill impersonates Helen Thomas.”, you see a caption that says “You Choose the News”. I find that unbelievable that a news program would have a segment called “You Choose the News”. What a joke
September 6th, 2006 at 5:46 pm“The Path to 9/11,†a five-hour, two-part depiction of events prior to the attacks, is to air Sept. 10 and 11. And early reviews among veterans of the Clinton White House are decidedly negative: They argue that the show downplays the Bush White House’s culpability while inventing some scenes out of whole cloth to dramatize the supposed negligence of Clinton officials.
That complaint came to the fore at a National Press Club screening of the show late last month, when Richard Ben-Veniste — one of the 10 members of the independent Sept. 11 commission, whose final report producer Marc Platt credits with supplying much of the mini-series’ detail and narrative structure — rose to denounce the veracity of a key scene involving Clinton national security adviser Samuel R. Berger.
Ben-Veniste stood to say that the Berger-bashing scene didn’t square with the research he and the other commissioners conducted. “There was no incident like that in the film that we came across. I am disturbed by that aspect of it,†Ben-Veniste, a loyal Democrat, told the panel, which included both the producer and the commission’s GOP chairman, former Gov. Thomas H. Kean of New Jersey.
Berger, reached by phone after the screening, seconded Ben-Veniste’s criticism. “It’s a total fabrication,†he said tersely. “It did not happen.â€
September 6th, 2006 at 5:50 pmcq.com
by the way…..Jason M Hendler was very, very, racist in this post. Let’s see if you can spot it. I WILL take him to task the next time I see his postings.
Hint: It involves Janet Jackson, she of the darker skin color, and Shakira, she of the lighter skin color on post #98, and the quote “ability to reason properly”
I think someone here has suggested that Jason is a racist, but I’ve never researched his past postings to verify this.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:57 pmNow I know
Ouch DrxJ, you’re right. I can admit when I’m wrong. I didn’t mean it to sound that way, and when I reread it, it sounds worse than I meant it. My humblest apologies!
September 6th, 2006 at 6:07 pm#200, disagree – Jason is many things, Ivy-leaguer, self-made and self-absorbed business man, world-reknowned climate scientist, Satanist. But not a racist on the strength of that post. Expressing a preference for Shakira over Janet does not a Klansman make.
September 6th, 2006 at 6:07 pmHey ROTFL or btruthiness, No one let 9/11 happen. If you think that Prez Bush just let things take place, you have watched Fahrenheir 9/11 too many times. If you can say with a straight face that you think Bush or anyone else for that matter just LET 9/11 happen, then I think you’ve lost all ability to comprehend truth and reason.
September 6th, 2006 at 6:10 pmderogatory to Athiests? how is saying that it must be nice to not believe in a higher power derrogatory?
September 6th, 2006 at 6:11 pmSorry can’t stick around… I just found out I have a minor family emergency. We’ll pick this up later. Hope this has been as much fun for you as it has me. Someday maybe we’ll work a little harder to find that ever-elusive middle ground
September 6th, 2006 at 6:13 pmOh yeah… what anti-semitic posts, that I don’t believe in doctor performed routine infant circumcision. Good luck defending that!
September 6th, 2006 at 6:15 pmAthiesm is not a religon. This no I didn’t you did seems to be all you’re good at. Tell me this, oh brainiac, what department does the Presidential Daily Briefing come from? CIA? FBI? NSA? and while you’re at it what did the PDB say on Sept. 10th 2000? I’m sure you’ll have no answer to either because you are less than a liar, you are under informed
September 6th, 2006 at 6:23 pmI’m ignoring reality alright… your reality. I don’t even see your liberal friends rushing to your defense here… guess you’re out of your league! Oh wait… no I’m not, you are. Nuh uh, you are. I’m rubber and you’re glue…
September 6th, 2006 at 6:26 pm#187
Offering more BS in response to BS?…all of them are troll like.
September 6th, 2006 at 6:33 pm#190
“He’s a litterbug on this blog and a nuisance.”
As is EVERYONE here that has turned this thread on it head.
September 6th, 2006 at 6:35 pmWow. Thomas Kean is a whore. I never knew that about him.
September 6th, 2006 at 8:43 pmIf, say, Janet Jackson suddenly comes into my life, and wants to have a one time only, all night affair, then can I “suspend my christianity�
Just curious
Comment by DRxJ
I want to know the answer to that one, too.
Just…..not Janet Jackson….that’s all.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:25 pmdixie,
I’m thinking…um……well……um…no.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:34 pm[...] 9/11 Commissioner Tom Kean: “I don’t think the facts are clear, whether it’s Sandy Berger, or whether it’s the head of the CIA, whether a line went dead. I think there are, I think there are a number of — they chose to portray it this way, but my memory of it is that it could have happened any number of ways.” [Link] [...]
September 8th, 2006 at 11:52 amI didn’t see all these Clinton apologists, or any of the dems for that matter, whining and raising such a fuss when Michael Moore was spewing his hateful lies. What is most alarming to me, however, is how gleefully, and with little thought to the consequences, these whining nitwits are ignoring the use by Senate Democrats of their position to intimidate ABC with regulatory retaliation and thus denying to that entity the right of freedom of speech. The lot of you are defecating on the 1st Amendment.
September 9th, 2006 at 4:27 pmSCARRY KEAN! OF THE 911 COMMISSION, is co producer of this fraudulent peice of shit, path for 911. LIES AND LIES! Congress needs to investigate tis asap! Now!
September 10th, 2006 at 3:34 amKean should be the one to come under attack. He is the co char to the 911 commision and knows the facts. This is treason , this is fraud. THIS IS SICK.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:54 am