9/11 Commissioners Criticize ‘The Path to 9/11′
9/11 Commissioners Criticize ‘The Path to 9/11′
ABC continues to advertise “The Path to 9/11″ as “based on the 9/11 Commission report.”
The people who wrote the 9/11 Commission report disagree. Here’s a review of their comments —
9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick:
“I do have a problem if you make claims that the program is based upon the findings of the 9/11 Commission Report when the actors, scenes and statements in the series are not found in — and, indeed, are contradicted by — our findings.” [Link]
9/11 Commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste:
Some scenes in the film “complete fiction. … The mischaracterizations tended to support the notion that the president [Clinton] was not attentive to anti-terrorism concerns. That was the opposite from what the 9/11 commission found.” [Link]
9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer:
In the scene, CIA operatives have Osama bin Laden cornered and are poised to capture or kill him until National Security Adviser Samuel Berger refuses to give the go-ahead. … [M]embers of the 9/11 Commission say none of that ever happened.
ROEMER: There were plans, not an operation in place. Secondly, Osama bin Laden was never in somebody’s sights. Thirdly, on page 114 of our report we say George Tenet took responsibility for pulling the plug on that particular Tarnak Farms operation. [CNN, 9/7/06]
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey:
“If you’re saying this is based on the 9/11 Commission report, there are substantial factual discrepancies. You need to get [them] out. … You can’t sit there as ABC and say, ‘Gee, we don’t have any responsibility. They should make a good faith effort to get this as close to the facts as possible.” [Link]
9/11 Commissioner Tom Kean:
“I don’t think the facts are clear, whether it’s Sandy Berger, or whether it’s the head of the CIA, whether a line went dead. I think there are, I think there are a number of — they chose to portray it this way, but my memory of it is that it could have happened any number of ways.” [Link]
Tell ABC to tell the truth about the 9/11 Commission report.
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Airing a version of the 9/11 Commission report that is fictionalized is irresponsible. If you have a political agenda that state is as such. You have a responsibility. Either air the full truth or not at all!
September 8th, 2006 at 11:58 amThey need to do more than criticize it > they need to demand that ABC cancels the phony docudrama, and then formally apologizes to the entire nation for attempting to foist propaganda funded by the GOP!
September 8th, 2006 at 11:59 amDear Mr. Iger:
As long as you’ve made a fantasized version of 9/11, just go ahead and animate the characters and give it a happy ending by having the planes all miss their targets and everyone lives happily ever after. The end.
Maybe the show will be a big success and you can do a sequel, you know, call it, “The Path From 9/11.” That one may be just a bit harder to fantasize though.
Your viewer,
September 8th, 2006 at 12:03 pmMood.
Good Morning all, good post’s on all the threads this morning….Keep up the good fight….Blessings…Peace
September 8th, 2006 at 12:05 pmTom Kean sez:
“…but my memory of it is that it could have happened any number of ways.”
It didn’t happen any number of ways. It happened one way. This movie deals with current events, so if you don’t know what “one way” it happened, you don’t make something up. It’s not like Gladiator, where playing fast and loose with facts doesn’t have any direct impact on how people think about current issues.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:06 pmWhen you create a docudrama that you claim is based upon a governmental report, and the authors of that report step forward and deny that your docudrama is true to the report it’s ostensibly based upon, it’s time to reassess your situation.
ABC, it’s time for damage control. Yank The Path to 9/11, burn it, apologize profusely to anyone and everyone, and hope that the American public continues to exhibit its customary lack of memory.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:11 pmSo, its ok to make up stuff since its a “docudrama”, says the repugnican former N.J. gov who chaired the Commission. Fiction is good. But labeling this crap as based on or endorsed by the 9-11 commission will surely lead many sheep to believe its fact. I wonder why the writers of this tripe did not use their vivid imaginations to include a scene, say, about Chaney and some other neocon vulcans plotting in the white house basement with some emissary from the bin-laden family on the best date to crash the planes into the WTC…Karl Rove walks in and says: “Hey guys, how about September 11…get it?? 9-1-1 ?? should be easy for dumbos in Kansas to catch on…yes, a new Pearl Harbor….” I think this would make for a very docudramatic scene….lets get ABC to add this juicy tidbit of docufiction.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:11 pmOver on RedState they’ve posted a note stating that ABC has pulled the advertising RSS feed for “Path to 9/11″. Another wheel is falling off this cart.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:14 pm… and while we’re at it – since it’s, you know, a docudrama and not supposed to be, like, accurate – how about a hot sex scene between say, Condi Rice and Madeline Albright? Just to up the numbers a little.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:17 pmIf abc let this documentary go on as planned i and my family will never tune in any abc station,and that means espn channels and any thing else associated with disney
September 8th, 2006 at 12:17 pmEnds up the plan for Bush to address the nation, at a certain pre-determined point in the Disney/ABC phony docudrama, may have been planned from the very beginning > this proves that the GOP and wealthy Bush lovers funded the film!
September 8th, 2006 at 12:19 pmPROTEST AT ABC’s Good Morning America studios!!!!
September 8th, 2006 at 12:19 pmAnyone else here in NY? Anyone else here want to join me today and/or tomorrow?
James: “… i and my family will never tune in any abc station,and that means espn channels..” – - Good googly moogly James, ESPN too? Hey, ya gotta draw the line somewhere and I think you crossed it.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:21 pmJami: “…how about a hot sex scene between say, Condi Rice and Madeline Albright?” – - Must…..try…….to……keep……breakfast…….down…….must……..MUST……
September 8th, 2006 at 12:23 pmAs Reagan said, “Facts are stupid things.” But the people who make fiction when the facts are there to counter it are even stupider.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:26 pmIf this piece of crap show does end up still being played, we need somebody to watch the part at the time when Bush has decided to give a national address. He is planning his address for Monday at 9:00PM. I would be willing to bet that anything slightly negative about Bush will be shown during that time.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:28 pmtake the poll! cnn asks [at bottom right of their front page]:
“Should filmmakers use fictionalized scenes to dramatize the events leading up to the September 11 attacks?”
September 8th, 2006 at 12:29 pmIf this latest objection doesn’t put an end to the debate on Path to 9/11, then as far as I’m concerned I declare that democracy is dead, since it shows that the national conversation about any number of subjects can be bastardized without any sense of truth or morality towards the subject.
The attacks on America on 9/11 were the defining moments of this century. This is denied by nobody. And if it is allowed to be fictionalized by the MSM it will be proof that the experiment of American democracy has failed, and that mythology and nonsense are just as relevant as facts.
And if ABC pulls it, it will be the proof of democracy’s strength over conservative greed and corruption.
Sorry for the overdramaticization of this, but I think it’s completely warrented.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:34 pmIt’s a reflection on the current condition of the State Run Entertainment media that we have Emperor Bush so obviously in bed with Disney/ABC.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI say we should all flood ABC News Headquarters with E-Mails, and phone calls expressing our objection to this partisan attempt to help the Republican party in the November elections. I wouldn’t object to the story if it were accurate. I think if you look under the surface someone behind the scenes is a Republican waterboy and wants to help them by blaming President Clinton. Why do I think that? Because under Karl Rove’s leadership, they have been blaming Clinton since they took office. For example, I was surpised to find that Clinton was responsible for high gas prices, the Dubia ports deal, the deficits and a host of other things. I wonder how a former President can accomplish some much under the noses of a sitting President and his majority party.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST WE ALL E-MAIL AND CALL ABC TO PROTEST THIS MADE UP STORY. They were attempting to make Fox New an ally rather than an enemy. But the fools at ABC don’t realize that Fox News is nothing but a propoganda machine for Republicans. Or maybe they do and they want to join with Fox in trying to brain-wash the American people. This also happened under Charlie Gibson’s watch and I’m sure he’s a closet conservative based on his interview style with Republicans where he throws all softballs.
It’s past time for these so called “jounalists” to stop reporting based on party offiliation. One cannot call himself a jounalist if his reporting is slanted to one side of the other. SO PLEASE CONTACT ABC NEW YORK STUDIOS AND COMPLAIN.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:39 pmtake the poll! cnn asks [at bottom right of their front page]:
“Should filmmakers use fictionalized scenes to dramatize the events leading up to the September 11 attacks?â€
The poll is currently running 85% in favor of telling the truth over dramatizing.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:39 pmFrom Harvey Keitel interview (via Crooks and Liars)
Q: Do you feel that anything should be changed in this film?
Keitel: Yes I do. This is a tough issue.–(sure)
You can compile certain things as long as the truth remains the truth. You can’t put things together, compress them and then distort the reality.
Q:…in the case of September 11th though, do you feel that it is an absolute responsibility that it be factually accurate even if it is a dramatization?
Keitel: Absolutely, you cannot cross the line from a conflation of events to a distortion of the event. No. Where we have distorted something we have made a mistake-and that should be corrected. It can be corrected. It can be corrected by the people getting involved in the story that they are going to see.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:39 pmthat means espn channels and any thing else associated with disney
Comment by james bell — September 8, 2006 @ 12:17 pm
wait – so, espn is associated with disney, which owns abc, which “lost” monday night football?
so to watch espn to avoid this crockudrama does not hurt abc/disney at all? hmmm…
September 8th, 2006 at 12:44 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/
poll
September 8th, 2006 at 12:46 pmyes:15%
no:85%
J.C. so now we know bull shit bush is in bed with Disney, which charecture or person’s would that be.?….LOL..Now can we impeach him for being a pervert.?. I can only hope….Blessings..Peace
September 8th, 2006 at 12:48 pmLooks like somebody didn’t get their free tickets to ride Roger Rabbit’s Cartoon Spin.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmI attempted to post comments on this site and they were lost. That’s never happened to me before and I wonder what happened to my comments. Apparently Big Brother must have disapproved of my comments and deleted them rather than publish what I wrote. The whole things is nothing but a shameful attempt by ABC Studios to help Republicans get elected in November. The media has been falling all over themselves to be included at the table since these moron came to power. The rightwing nuts keep crying “liberal media” and ABC got scared and caved in. Then some idiot at ABC said to himself, “I’ll prove we’re not a liberal media outlet”, and came up with this crap.
Apparently ABC forget tha saying, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”. I mean come on ABC, you guys can’t be that weak as to let words influence your reporting to the point that you are willing to make up lies to be accepted by conservatives. They (ABC) knows that every rightwing idiot who thinks he’s a christian and votes for Republicans wants to see this pack of lies so they can blame someone else for the mess Bush got us into.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST WE ALL E-MAIL ABC STUDIOS, IN NEW YORK AND PROTEST THIS NONSENSE. I did my part yesterday by E-Mailing them, but I’m going to call today and e-mail again. Please pitch in and help to set the record straight.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:50 pm#25 – …so now we know bull shit bush is in bed with Disney, which charecture or person’s would that be.?….LOL..Now can we impeach him for being a pervert.?. I can only hope…
It seems the only impeachable offense in Washington is around sex. But here I fear it’s only straight sex that is impeachable. Bush had Gannon in the MonkeyPalace on pleasure trips and nobody started impeachment proceedings against the idiot Emperor.
Heaven forefend the Emperor ever did anything like invade a non-threatening country, kill tens of thousands of civilians, steal a little oil, and act like it’s related to an attack that some non-Iraqi masterminded. Oh no! That’s not impeachable. No way. Not with these ReichWingNuts in control of everything.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:01 pmScooter, Shooter, Porky & President Dopey are all Disney characters.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:04 pmTony Snowhite will kiss Dopey & all will be well in the world.
I think it’s rather fitting…I mean, haven’t you felt like we’ve been living in a Bizarro cartoon world since 2001? Black is White & pigs fly.
Grimm Bros. couldn’t have wrote this better.
Let’s just hope we have a happy ending come mid-November & Mother Goose takes her gaggle home to that big church in the sky.
It occurs to me that Tom Kean found a way, through this movie, to completely rewrite the 9/11 Commission Report in the way he saw fit.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThis was posted over at RedState in the comments section about ABC pulling their web ads:
If this hasn’t been “suppression of opposition through terror and censorship”, it’s pretty darned close. Frankly, it’s frightening how much control Democrats can engender by simply screaming and intimidating.
Why on earth would a republican be surprised “how much control Democrats can engender by simply screaming and intimidating”? Isn’t that their M.O. for the last 5 years? Or were they comfortable with all the cage-rattling, as long as their guys were doing it? Amazing.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:07 pm[...] Just the facts, ma’am. “It turned out not all the facts were correct.” Fact meets fiction meets hysteria. Time to blast off. Everyone gets a little exercized. All of this free speech in protest is getting in the way of free speech. [...]
September 8th, 2006 at 1:13 pmRight, if this movie goes ahead, and all signs are that it won’t, we are going to have to reply. So let me get the ball rolling with the disclaimer at the start of the liberal 9/11 response movie…
Opening shot: Rowan Atkinson given America the finger, music starts, credits:
Starring Rowan Atkinson as George Bush
John Cleese as Karl Rove
(Brief shot of John Cleese kicking an old lady out of a window)
And a collection of other English guys playing the rest of the Bush Administration. (Shot of the Bush Admin standing in front of an oversized English flag.)
The outgoing Clinton Administration is to be played by:
The former Clinton Administration. They came cheap.
Scene 1:
Rove: Bush get in here, hell you would think you won the damn elections honestly the way you caper about man.
George: I didn’t?
Rove: Of course not, Americans aren’t that stupid. About the only votes you got were from a bunch of out of towners from Saudi Arabia who couldn’t vote anyway.
George: But?
Rove: We own the voting machines George. Try to use the one surviving brain cell in your head.
George: Oh. So the Saudi’s like me?
Rove: No, they just don’t like America.
George: Well, this is quite a shock. I have to sit down, maybe take a vacation?
Rove: Excellent idea. See you, in about September.
George: What happens in September?
Rove: You’ll see…
Scene 2:
Bill Clinton: Right, everything together? Yeah, remember the cigars people, they have some, um, sentimental value to me. Sandy, did you do what I told you?
September 8th, 2006 at 1:14 pmSandy Berger: Yes, the big neon sign with the words “Bin Laden is out to attack America, expect trouble in September, and don’t forget to feed the cat” on it has been plugged in. Jeez don’t you think you are going a bit overboard with this whole thing?
Bill Clinton: I know George, anything less and hang on one minute did you forget to include that foghorn?
Sandy Berger: The shop didn’t have any in. Look I am sure this is going to be fine, its not like he is out to eventually sell America to the English via a complex conspiracy involving putting America in two wars, destroying social security, spitting on the constitution and putting America in so much debt that selling itself is the only option available. He will be fine.
Bill Clinton: I hope so Sandy, I hope so…
Remember this??
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA334711.html
September 8th, 2006 at 1:15 pm[...] ABC and their republican script writers are engaging in nothing less than an attempt to skew the historical record, and worse, influence American elections by presenting a false picture to American voters. And they probably would have gotten away with it if not for the voices of members of the 9-11 Commission who have rightly criticized the film’s attempt to distort the historical record. From Thinkprogress.org: [...]
September 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmComment by oxillini — September 8, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
Well, it’s never a surprise to hear one side calling the other side a black kettle.
What is surprising is the lack of concern for reality that is going on with conservatives. Usually conservative lies are easily explained away by the conservative mind that is raft with cognitive dissonance. There’s lots of nuance in most controvercial subjects where opinion can slip in and can at least make a conservative alternate reality seem plausuble.
But in this instance, there is just mountains of evidence that says this docudrama should be canned. It isn’t a matter of opinion, at all. There’s no room for alternate perceptions in this case. We have a movie that says it is based on the findings of 9/11 commission, yet members of the 9/11 commission itself is saying that this movie has scenes that are completely refuted by the 9/11 commission.
Yes, Democrats are stomping and screaming over this. And it is because reality is being turned on its head.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:25 pmjohn cleese as rove??? not even a resemblance, but, whaaaa??
September 8th, 2006 at 1:26 pmshame on you… i couldn’t read the rest… sorry…
katy
Can you think of a better English actor for playing ~EVIL~?
September 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pm#31 I had the same thought when I read that comment. Pity the commentor is ignoring the wave of conservatives that are speaking out on the inaccuracies in this little film.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmOn another thread today, it was suggested that we watch a video called “Spare Change” on Google video. I just got done watching it.. and before I go any further, has anyone else watched it yet?
September 8th, 2006 at 1:38 pmBruce: “Can you think of a better English actor for playing ~EVIL~?” – - How about Mike Myers, as Dr. Evil himself.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:41 pmtest, is this working?
September 8th, 2006 at 1:42 pmi don’t know if he’s english, but ANTHONY HOPKINS could pull off a “rove”…
September 8th, 2006 at 1:43 pmwhy does it have to be english?… i should’ve read it, right?
So, lemme get this straight. Conservatives (some at least) think that public outcry is the same as censorship.
Do you feel the same way when conservative groups protest against movies, television programs, music, etc., that they don’t like?
It’s real simple folks, the First Amendment doesn’t protect ABC from anyone else’s opinion, and if ABC yanks the show, or alters it, because of public protest, there is NO First Amendment issue.
(As an aside, gotta love the way the right defines “terrorism” to include expressing our opinions, protesting things we disagree with, etc. … ya know, what most folks would consider to be the nuts ‘n bolts of democracy.)
September 8th, 2006 at 1:46 pmBadmoodman
Wouldn’t he work better as Cheney though?
September 8th, 2006 at 1:47 pmyes, coachjason, i’ve seen it…
September 8th, 2006 at 1:54 pmKaty, I’ve described myself in the past as a Christian conservative on this blog. That said, I don’t think I’ve seen anything that makes me as sick to my stomache since the actual 9/11 events. If any of this film turns out to be true, it could unravel the foundation of our civilization as we know it.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:59 pmCoach its called “Loose Change”. And who knows if its true. Dont worry caoch, even if it is true, too many wouldn’t have the ability to accept it.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:06 pmCoach, other false flag operations have been true, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, etc. And civilization still stands.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmYou cannot buy the kind of publicity this thing has gotten for any amount of money.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:11 pmOf course ABC is going to show it, and a lot of suckers who normally would not be interested in this are going to watch it to see what all the excitement is about.
Ratings go up, up, up. And that is the name of the game.
Attention all left posters….Please read the think fast post by jason h. today…He want’s all democrat’s “distroyed”…..Enough already, blind obediance by this bunch of reich winged troll’s is getting way out of hand….I am asking all to shunn and pass over his post’s, maybe then the sob will leave our sight and we can get on with getting our country back….Blessings…Peace
September 8th, 2006 at 2:13 pmYou’re right “Loose change”.. my bad. I came up with several inaccuracies though (not that it means anything). The movie states that John Ashcroft was warned not to take commercial flights about a month b4 9/11. If the planes that crashed were not commercial flights, why the need for him to worry?
September 8th, 2006 at 2:14 pmThe 9/11 commission, filled with both Dem’s and Repub’s, with every intelligence agency at their disposal, didn’t think to ask the questions this film asked?
The Aug 6th Presidential Daily Brief, declassified for the 9/11 comission investigation, stated that Bin Ladin was determined to attack in the U.S., possibly hijacking U.S. planes. If this were an inside job, why was “intelligence” warning against a terrorist attack?
I’ve got several more questions, but I’m not exactly sure I’ve peaked anybody’s interest anyways…
coach and for truth – yep and yep…
i was most definitely moved, to tears at times…
it really demands one’s attention and consideration…
there’s only one way we will ever know the truth about so much of these past years:
OVERWHELMING DEMOCRATIC VOTER TURNOUT
we need OVERSIGHT and SUBPOENA POWER to get any answers…
and now you know why the right it so scared and using these tactics…
and it WILL get worse…
WIN FIRST — PURGE LATER
September 8th, 2006 at 2:20 pmFOR TRUTH Another thing I find wierd is that in the pictures of the pentagon after the attack, you don’t see any evidence of a plane hitting the ground first, no burnt grass, more specifically, no dirt. But I was in D.C. on Sept. 19th and I drove right past the pentagon. You could clearly see a path in the ground where it looked like a plane hit the ground first, then the building (which was covered with tarps by then).
September 8th, 2006 at 2:33 pmAnother thing is that nothing ever clearly indicates President bush himself. Do you think it’s possible he’s another tool in a giant conspiracy theory?
September 8th, 2006 at 2:37 pmI hope that ABC pulls this mockudrama. If Nowsrateh edited it and took out the scenes which are contrary to fact, I would have no problem with it. Even with a conservative slant, in the sense of selecting only those facts which could be used to support a conservative view while leaving others out. As a liberal, I would still hate it, but I wouldn’t have any problem with it being disseminated as long as it didn’t lie.
Regardless, this film certainly should NOT be distributed in schools as historical “fact”. Anyone know the latest on Scholastic’s plans for the film?
And speaking of casting characters to play the dramatic personae:
Philip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Philip is a FINE actor and with some makeup and “bald hair” wig, could resemble Rove. Gary Oldman can do evil very well but doesn’t resemble Rove and couldn’t be made to resemble him believably.
Oldman could maybe play Cheney, though.
There is an actor who quite strongly resembles Tom Delay. His name is Chris Carter, I believe.
Rumsfeld…maybe Gene Hackman?
There is a tall and rather beefy guy who usually plays “good ole boy” tough roles who could play Tenet.
I can’t think of who could play Bush. Alfred E. Neuman is also a fictional character, alas…
September 8th, 2006 at 2:37 pmCoach,
I think a plane did hit the Pentagon. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Bush had no clue.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:39 pmWolfdaughter… I think the guy that just won American Idol would be a shoe-in to play Clinton. If we could just teach him to do that thing with his thumb where it looks like he’s putting a card into an ATM machine. lol
September 8th, 2006 at 2:41 pmCoach,
One thing I do know, too many things don’t add up. Something is amiss, I don’t know what it is, we may never know. The 9-11 commission report left out too many important things.
I would support a real independent investigation.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:42 pmCoach,
Nice talking to you, gotto go for lunch now. Later.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:45 pmcoach – bush has always been the puppet…
he’s not stupid, but they keep him ignorant, just enough…
but he is the puppet through whom the PNAC carries out it’s plans…
surely, you’ve studied up on the PNAC…
September 8th, 2006 at 2:46 pmall the main characters are there…
While I do not believe the 9/11 Conspiracy, I do feel that there wasn’t a proper investigation done. The Bin Ladens should not have been allowed out of the country until the investigation was finished, and their testimony taken. As they are the family of the prime suspect, I feel it was foolish to have let them go so easily, when they could have provided key insights into the crime.
I feel that Bush’s reluctance to have an investigation into 9/11 is suspicious. While I personally theorise that Bush does not want the public to know just how incomptetent and downright negligent his office was during the run-up to 9/11, I still think this is an aspect that has fueled the various conspiracy theories that surround the event.
I feel that the continued shifting of blame for 9/11 to the previous administration has shown more then a tendency towards moral cowardice, but has also raised doubts about the current administrations innocence. After a while, a person who keeps on trying to shift all of the blame for something onto someone else, starts looking like all of the blame belongs to them.
I feel that Afghanistan was a justified war. Make no mistake on that. I also think 9/11 was shamelessly, and shamefully, abused in the name of the war in Iraq. I believe Bush was using the fears raised by 9/11 to keep himself in power. I believe that on 9/11 Bush acted like a total coward, particularly in light of past figures who had faced even more perilous events, for example Jimmy Carter on 3 Mile Island.
When 9/11 happened Bush went into hiding and adressed the nation from a bunker. When 3 Mile Island was melting down, Jimmy Carter flew to 3 Mile Island to help calm the situation down. Jimmy Carter is commonly considered by those that support Bush as having been a coward, Bush is commonly termed a strong man.
I feel that the lack of attacks after 9/11 on American soil, are completely and totally irrelevent. Think about how many of those Islamic terrorist attacks Clinton suffered, now think of how many were on American soil. Clinton in short, seemingly achieved much the same record as Bush on terrorism, without going to war and without as many fatalities.
I think that there are genuine issues that need to be raised over Bush’s treatment of terrorism both before and after 9/11. Questions need to be raised as to why the reluctance to investigate, and why America should trust a man as president who so obviously failed on 9/11. It is time for America to do what Americans always inevitably do, it is time to hold the man in office accountable.
It is also time for the press to be held accountable. Too many good questions are getting mixed in with conspiracy theories, questions that a good reporter should have been asking the president, it is time the press started acting like the press and asking these questions because inquiring minds abhor a vacuum, and that vacuum is often more dangerous then the truth that could fill it.
This are just my opinions on the subject.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:47 pmKaty, sorry I’ve never heard of PNAC. Enlighten me, or send me in the right direction if you please… I’d appreciate it.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:49 pmcoachjason, just google PNAC and the “I’m feeling lucky” button. That should take you to http://www.newamericancentury.org or of course you could type it in.
Have fun reading and don’t be too surprised.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:56 pmBruce… Well said. I’ve been here less than a week and I have learned so very much. It’s gentlemen like you that have helped me see the many errors of my ways. I can’t say that I’m turning tail and running on my party just yet, but I now know that I’ve spent too much time asking the wrong questions. And wasting too much time believing there was a liberal media bias. Anything can be painted as bias if the facts make you look bad. And to think that I actually carried a gun into a foreign country and… nevermind… I’m just sorry I did it for this “chimp-in-chief”.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:57 pmthanks Katy, I’ll try it now.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:57 pmcoachjason
PNAC
Project for a New American Century.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Needless to say, I’m not to keen on them, but I will let you make up your own mind.
September 8th, 2006 at 3:05 pmAha, Coachjason – now you’ve figured out my diabolical plan! I used that “respect” thingy to brainwash you! Bwah, hah, hah, hah!
Seriously, though, good to see you …
September 8th, 2006 at 3:10 pmthanks, yikes, for the lead info..
you’re welcome coachjason… keep that mind open… good job…
and if by “carried a gun into a foreign country” you mean that you were in the armed forces, know that you are appreciated and thanked for your service… you had a job to do and no doubt did your best…
if it’s another story, i probably don’t want to know :-)
September 8th, 2006 at 3:13 pmIt is shameful that ABC would degrade themselves by shoeing this film which is so full of errors. ABC should NOT broadcast this film.
September 8th, 2006 at 3:57 pmYour welcome katy. That may have been my most useful post EVER. LOL
September 8th, 2006 at 4:06 pmI am new to this blog, and would simply like to voice my sympathies for the opinions expressed at #60 and #62, despite #63’s more temperate and sanguine reconstruction. Whether G.B. was on the inside track or not, it is not at all surprising that a presidential intelligence brief apparently warned of coming events. It is often easy to forget that complex bureaucracies are not monolithic; remember the November 17th, 1963 report received by numerous FBI field headquarters warning of an assassination attempt? I have often wondered, with regard to 9/11, whether an original intelligence community gambit ran amuck of conflicting agendas within the Administration itself (i.e., the Bush-specific desire to finish daddy’s business in Iraq). Just another question, I suppose.
One of my earliest reactions to 9/11, I must confess, went something like this: when I was in high school in the early 1970s, it was quite the thing for revisionist historians to accuse F.D.R. of having purposely ignored reports concerning an imminent Japanese attack in order to galvanize public and congressional approval for entering the war in Europe — something the country up to that point was still reluctant to do; I asked myself (then) why no one was thinking of this possibility (whether it be on the part of the Bush administration, or other elements of the power structure) regarding 9/11? Of course it is a horrible thing to imagine happening, but it is not unthinkable.
On the other hand, I have not watched any of the conspiracy-theory films (e.g., Loose Change) alluded to in this blog; I would tend to agree with #54 regarding the promulgation of disinformation — now ever so more easily thanks to the Internet — as a strategy for deflecting any suspicions of inside foul-play. As one who has followed the J.F.K. assassination investigations over the arc of 40+ years now, I can vouch for that assessment.
September 8th, 2006 at 4:57 pmThe rubber hits the road at boycotting a) advertiser’s whose commercials we see on the air during the show and b) local advertiser’s who support your local ABC affiliate. This is the only power we have – but it’s a doozy.
And it’s more useful than just ranting and raving and calling people names.
September 8th, 2006 at 5:11 pmThis is about as low as you can get. Peter Rundlet,former 9/11 commision counsel says”ABC’s docudrama if not consistant with the findings
September 8th, 2006 at 6:04 pmof the bipartisan 9/11 commission report.” It is outrageous that ABC decided to make up their own version of the “docudrama”? which will impune the findings of the 9/11 commission. Hopefully the American
people will see through this nonsense. A political move by a desperate party with the November elections just around the corner? You bet it is.
Wake up ABC, make those corrections or pull the program altogether.
[...] ABC still says this movie is “based on the 9/11 Commission Report.” But numerous 9/11 Commission members have said the miniseries actually directly contradicts their report. [...]
September 8th, 2006 at 7:55 pm[...] ABC still says this movie is “based on the 9/11 Commission Report.” But numerous 9/11 Commission members have said the miniseries actually directly contradicts their report. [...]
September 8th, 2006 at 7:55 pmWinston Smith… uncredited writer of “Path to 911″. (Rewriting history, as we watch)
September 9th, 2006 at 12:57 amWell, could not we go further back in our time machine and ask:
What the hell did George Bush I do to stop Osama? I mean why not do that? He had the whole middle east in his grubby little hands back in 1991, so why not take him out right then either?
Now HERE is a concept for y’all,
It has struck me that this “non-issue” (really if you think about all the treason this admin is doing, this is a non-issue) is REALLY the DLC re-asserting itself as the controller of ALL things Democrat.
I mean it is all a Clinton (+administration) face saving thing that now supposedly ALL god Dems come to the aid of their “fearless leader.” Well, it really is sapping our “vig” on other more important issues.
So, I have stayed outside the blogosphere on this one, except for the few phone calls to ABC radio to gnash my teeth on the air, with the likes of Levin (the Zionist) and the new idiot (Jerry) last night taking over Laura Ingram’s 8-10 slot in the NY ABC market.
Screw Disney and ABC, they were the next to fall to the nazis after Fox anyway, everyone knew that. I believe that ABC is also stirring the pot to get all good Dems back into the DLC fold, as Hilary was starting to get REALLY antsy at the calls to debate Tasini and with Lamont, and the Screw the DLC push happening as of late, I feel this is the motive for the over-hype of this non-issue.
This all just another Corporate-control of our sense of “what is important.”
September 9th, 2006 at 9:13 amYeah, Wretched Refuse, that _is_ a concept. And they didn’t even send out a grassroots poll asking us to rank this among the top ten issues …
September 9th, 2006 at 10:13 amI think the film should be viewed, by everyone, that way people would see how low the conservatives will go to distort the truth for their own gain. Bill Clinton did not ignore Osama BinLaden, If you recall at the time, the republican/conservative faction of the government was railroading him about the Monica Lewinsky debacle. No body was interested in Osama, and paid very little attention to what was going on with him. In fact, Clinton did go after him, but none of those actions were publicised.
September 9th, 2006 at 11:27 amRe: Post #74 by FogTime.
You mention boycotting the sponsors for this mockmentary. The problem with that is that ABC says they will air the program without commercial interruptions. Consequently, what we’ll have to do is target anyone who advertises on ABC/Disney channels. Yeah, of course that encompasses a lot of companies. I’d say pick several to concentrate on. Someone on another site posted a list he’d compiled from watching ABC News and it was long. It shouldn’t be difficult to settle on several medium size companies who will really feel the pinch in their bottom line.
ABC says they spent $40,000,000 making this piece of crap. Since they say it’s commercial-free (except for the free time for Bush to speak), Where did that money come from? Seems to me stockholders of ABC/Disney should be very interested in this issue.
Never give up.
September 9th, 2006 at 1:12 pmRandy
What about Micheal Moore’s so called documentry about 911?
September 9th, 2006 at 2:50 pmHe was free to make things up and won a academy award.
F-9/11 was completely fact checked. Nothing was made up!!
MY God you are a fool to believe every thimg that MOORE makes.
September 9th, 2006 at 4:46 pmAmericans are tired of lies. The partisan movie you are planning on showing will only reinforce the distrust that Americans have towards the media which can be bought by any administration. I can reassure you that it will backfire. My community and I are ready to boycott ABC.
September 9th, 2006 at 5:19 pm[...] In the LiveJournal community for redcoats, resident truthspeaker rechan responded to the new claim that it’s just Democrats hate free speech with this: Yeah. I mean, it’s not like ABC isn’t using airwaves to pretty much give free attacks on the Democrats while omitting the “My Pet Goat” incident and the total ignoring the Bin Laden memo, it’s not like those on the 9/11 Commission are criticising the movie’s inaccuracies, it’s not like the FBI agent consulting on the show quit half way through due to errors, it has nothing to do with the writer admitting controversial scene was “improvised”, [...]
September 9th, 2006 at 6:38 pmI went through the LA Times this morning expecting the head line to read: Co chair of 911 commission aligned him self to 911 propaganda movie! He must realize that America is not stupid but it makes us wonder about any thing this government has ever told us to be truth. Where is the report in the LA TIMES? We are get the truth you stupid idiots, we get the fraudulant truth and we are pissed!
September 10th, 2006 at 3:47 am[...] Many of the 9/11 Commission members have said that parts of the movie are “contradicted by — our findings,” “the opposite from what the 9/11 commission found,” and that “there are substantial factual discrepancies.” [...]
September 10th, 2006 at 10:16 amPoliticizing 9/11…
By now, you’ve probably heard of the ABC/Disney miniseries The Path to 9/11, set to air on ABC stations Sunday and Monday nights. The WaPo’s “style columnist” Tom Shales describes it thusly: Factually shaky, politically inflammatory and photographi…
September 10th, 2006 at 11:51 amComrades Bravo!
These traitors at ABC are betrayers of our new mother land. Where I come from, this Robert A. Iger would be dragged through the streets in front of the tomb of our glorious leader Vladimir Lenin and shot in public. The producers, directors, writers and anyone associated with this propaganda would be picked up in the early hours of the morning by our State Security Chief Lavrenty Beria (The Black Hand) and taken to a Siberian labor camp never too be heard from again.
For many years I have been loyal to ABC and the Pravda (truth) that our Socialist Liberal ally has put forth in order to progress our ultimate goal; the decline and absolute destruction of America and the capitalist traitorous pig’s like ABC.
I ask you Mr. Robert A. Iger, “Have you no shame Sir�
Comrades, we must not give up the fight. It has taken us many years to groom you and your elected leaders.
Remember what our great leader Nikita Khrushchev said:
“ We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism ”
It’s more important now then ever before that we stand together and stay focused! We can not allow this abomination of propaganda to go forward.
We must do whatever it takes to keep this film from airing on Sunday the 10th, 2006, we only have a few hours left.
It is your duty as loyal Liberal Socialist Democrats to rise up in solidarity and put a stop to this immediately!
Senator Harry Reid, one of our courageous and distinguished Senatorial leaders from the state of Nevada, reminded the capitalist traitorous pigs at ABC of their license from the FCC. Please Senator Reid, we’re your loyal comrades in arms and begging you to use all the glorious power you possess. You must stop this film! You must push forward with an iron fist and crush this despicable display of propaganda.
If this film isn’t stopped from airing on ABC, Sunday night, I’m afraid all our efforts since the cold war and the aspirations of our great leaders from glorious years past and Nikita Khrushchev’s dreams and predictions will have been lost.
If we loose now, the great Liberal Socialist Democratic Party, we have nurtured, will decline into the ash heaps of history never too be heard from again.
You must!…. I repeat, you must contact our comrades in arms at their offices in Washington.
Now I’ve done all the work all you have to do is contact our comrades below by e-mail or call:
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If the the movie indicates that Clinton, Berger, Albright et al let bin Laden get away, and that is not true, then I have a problem with the film. However, I’ve been searching for and watching video and audio clips all day of Clinton admitting that very fact. The devil, apparently, is in the details – in the subtlety of intimate situations and revealed inner emotions. That’s dramatic, historical fiction, and is an inescapable matter of opinion. It reminds me a lot of Lawrence of Arabia – a great film that bears very little resemblance to the reality of history (and is directly related to our current state of affairs). This debate should be one of truth versus censorship. No one is discussing the truth of whether Clinton deliberately let bin Laden escape or even if his inaction was negligence – only that the film shouldn’t be so accusatory.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:54 amConsequently, I think legal threats to ABC’s broadcast license over this is truly the stuff of fascism.
Clinton didnt care about terrorism, he was afraid any action would mess up his poll numbers. Bush cares but is screwing it up. We need to wipe Wash clean with all new people.
September 11th, 2006 at 12:08 pmQuote from Tom Kean:”These are people of integrity,” Kean said of the filmmakers. “I know there are some scenes where words are put in characters’ mouths. But the whole thing is true to the spirit of 9/11.”
But then he is a Republican – Party loyalty.
Richard Ben-Veniste, a Democratic commission member
Gorelick’s recent work was for Fannie Mae. NOT a big vote of confidence in her ability on public policy and intelligence work.
Roemer, Ben-Veniste, and Kerrey are Democratic insiders – Party loyalty.
None of these carries impartial value as a judge.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:23 pmSo much bravado and hot air from loonie left, its almost pathetic. Yet you still whine that your freedom of speech is being trampled on. Hypocrits, lunatics.
I did not see any of you complaining when MM literally INVENTED his documentary. And i dont see you complaining that you are taking away rights of artists to express themselves. a Docudrama is not meant to be a documentary. A real documentary of events was aired on National Geographic where Clinton was shown as a complete clown, unready unwilling and uninterested to deal with reality of terrorism. Where were the loud hypocritical yells to pull that off the air?
I wonder what else Berger hid in his socks pants and panties and destroyed later on , care to comment Berger on what excatly were you trying to SHOW while this was going on? And Garelick, now thats a real joke, a real unbiased memeber of 9- 11 commision.
Your atempt to silence 8 years of clintons incompetence is pathetic. 9-11 commision merely touched the tip of the iceberg, thanks to clinton aids on the commission whitewashing or stealing the facts.
And now the mission is to stop the show from airing, quiet amusing, has nothing to do with the docudrama and everything to do with soviet like attempts to smother free speech, truth in order to save the saintly image of the worst administration in history by any means neccesary.
Too bad they did not include the piece about Bereger stuffing archived documents down his pants and getting cought doing it.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:16 pm