Comments on: Rumsfeld forbade post-war planning for Iraq. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:28:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: saddam bites the dust - Page 2 - Brown Cafe http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-1378942 saddam bites the dust - Page 2 - Brown Cafe Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:01:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-1378942 [...] Originally Posted by over9five "I can't argue with you. Arguing with a simple minded fanatic is pointless." Translation: "I can't argue with you. Debating all your valid points will make me look simple minded". Valid points? I'm not sure what you're reading. All that BAP has done is make a lot of wild, unsupported accusations that somehow it's "the liberals" who are to blame for our current troubles. If there's a valid argument in there please point it out to me. For the last 6 years Bush has basically had a blank check. In absolutely all matters having to do with the "war on terror" generally and Iraq specifically he has gotten every single thing he has asked for. He has had the full support of a republican controlled legislature, a generally conservative judiciary, and an American public that has been pretty much inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on conducting foreign policy. The most watched news network in the USA, FOX news, is unabashedly conservative and has unequivocally supported him every step of the way. And now, six years into it and faced with the biggest debacle since Vietnam, it's suddenly "the liberals" who are to blame? This is a joke right? The biggest criticism you can make of the Democrats at this point is that they have basically abdicated their role as the opposition party and rolled over for fear of being labeled "unpatriotic". Who exactly are these "suites and ties" sitting inside the beltway who have somehow managed to tie the hands of our military? Name me one, and tell me what exactly he/she has done. Really, I'd be interested to hear it. Prior to the war in Iraq, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki said publicly that the administration of a post war Iraq would require several hundred thousand troops in order to be succesful. His honesty got him publicly humiliated by Wolfowitz and turned into a lame duck by Rumsfeld. Read what Mark Scheid has to say. Who was it that tied the hands of our military again? Some guy in a suit and tie? But hey, maybe we should just do like Over9five says and make some videos of our troops cutting off people's heads while shouting "God is great". I'm sure that will go long way to fixing things. "Liberals"....please... __________________ Chuck Norris shakes two tylenol from the bottle, every time. [...] [...] Originally Posted by over9five "I can’t argue with you. Arguing with a simple minded fanatic is pointless." Translation: "I can’t argue with you. Debating all your valid points will make me look simple minded". Valid points? I’m not sure what you’re reading. All that BAP has done is make a lot of wild, unsupported accusations that somehow it’s "the liberals" who are to blame for our current troubles. If there’s a valid argument in there please point it out to me. For the last 6 years Bush has basically had a blank check. In absolutely all matters having to do with the "war on terror" generally and Iraq specifically he has gotten every single thing he has asked for. He has had the full support of a republican controlled legislature, a generally conservative judiciary, and an American public that has been pretty much inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on conducting foreign policy. The most watched news network in the USA, FOX news, is unabashedly conservative and has unequivocally supported him every step of the way. And now, six years into it and faced with the biggest debacle since Vietnam, it’s suddenly "the liberals" who are to blame? This is a joke right? The biggest criticism you can make of the Democrats at this point is that they have basically abdicated their role as the opposition party and rolled over for fear of being labeled "unpatriotic". Who exactly are these "suites and ties" sitting inside the beltway who have somehow managed to tie the hands of our military? Name me one, and tell me what exactly he/she has done. Really, I’d be interested to hear it. Prior to the war in Iraq, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki said publicly that the administration of a post war Iraq would require several hundred thousand troops in order to be succesful. His honesty got him publicly humiliated by Wolfowitz and turned into a lame duck by Rumsfeld. Read what Mark Scheid has to say. Who was it that tied the hands of our military again? Some guy in a suit and tie? But hey, maybe we should just do like Over9five says and make some videos of our troops cutting off people’s heads while shouting "God is great". I’m sure that will go long way to fixing things. "Liberals"….please… __________________ Chuck Norris shakes two tylenol from the bottle, every time. [...]

]]> By: Gourney Detoure http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-798036 Gourney Detoure Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:56:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-798036 Colin Powell was simultaneously saying to El Presidente not to invade Iraq unless he wanted to own it. So they ignored the soldier and followed to advice of career business men with a passing interest in politics as profiteering by other means. Luminaries as Wolfowitz and Perle and Crystal whose real agendas were not WMDs but obvious to all nontheless. If above is true about Rumsfeld, then the man is a dangerous imbecile. Colin Powell was simultaneously saying to El Presidente not to invade Iraq unless he wanted to own it. So they ignored the soldier and followed to advice of career business men with a passing interest in politics as profiteering by other means. Luminaries as Wolfowitz and Perle and Crystal whose real agendas were not WMDs but obvious to all nontheless.

If above is true about Rumsfeld, then the man is a dangerous imbecile.

]]> By: wmd http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-796495 wmd Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:42:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-796495 [QUOTE][B] ‘The Implication That There Was Something Wrong with the War Plan is Amusing’ - April 20, 2006 Rumsfeid US Secretary of Defence [/B] [/QUOTE] Sigh It would be funny if it wasnt so serious :cry: [QUOTE][B]
‘The Implication That There Was Something Wrong with the War Plan is Amusing’ – April 20, 2006 Rumsfeid US Secretary of Defence [/B]
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Sigh
It would be funny if it wasnt so serious :cry:

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-796416 Zooey Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:22:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-796416 What the f*ck is up with Rummy? He needs to be gone... What the f*ck is up with Rummy? He needs to be gone…

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-796295 Marie Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:58:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-796295 #25 I just saw your post. You can check out Huffington post for one source, but there have been several news stories reporting the $1 million super bowl party paid for by tax payers for Halliburton. We can add that to the <strong>$9 Billion</strong> that remains "unaccounted" for in the early months in Iraq. Candidate for Ill. Rep. Duckworth lost both legs when her unprotected helicopter was hit by an RPG -- she learned that her cargo was a shipment of "shoeboxes of cash money." BTW, there is an anti-RPG system available with 98% accuracy, but our military won't cancel a $77 million Raytheon contract which won't provide the same anti-RPG system until 2011. #25
I just saw your post. You can check out Huffington post for one source, but there have been several news stories reporting the $1 million super bowl party paid for by tax payers for Halliburton.
We can add that to the $9 Billion that remains “unaccounted” for in the early months in Iraq.
Candidate for Ill. Rep. Duckworth lost both legs when her unprotected helicopter was hit by an RPG — she learned that her cargo was a shipment of “shoeboxes of cash money.”
BTW, there is an anti-RPG system available with 98% accuracy, but our military won’t cancel a $77 million Raytheon contract which won’t provide the same anti-RPG system until 2011.

]]> By: bones http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-796260 bones Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:42:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-796260 Rumsfeld forbade post-war planning for Iraq. That's ok he evidently forbade pre-war and during the war planning too. Rumsfeld forbade post-war planning for Iraq.

That’s ok he evidently forbade pre-war and during the war planning too.

]]> By: Trinary Suka http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-796025 Trinary Suka Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:07:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-796025 Us Liberatarians belive in complete freedom. This country was founded for individual liberty not a Neo-Feudal sysytem that would be the result of the Left’s action. Enjoy bashing Republicans because one day us Libertarians will take over the GOP and defeat the left once and for all! what a goofball. You believe in complete freedom so you can defeat the left? Do you realize what an illogical, hypocritical, unfree, biased statement this is? Us Liberatarians belive in complete freedom. This country was founded for individual liberty not a Neo-Feudal sysytem that would be the result of the Left’s action. Enjoy bashing Republicans because one day us Libertarians will take over the GOP and defeat the left once and for all!

what a goofball.

You believe in complete freedom so you can defeat the left?
Do you realize what an illogical, hypocritical, unfree, biased statement this is?

]]> By: Trinary Suka http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-796019 Trinary Suka Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:06:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-796019 Enjoy bashing Republicans because one day us Libertarians will take over the GOP and defeat the left once and for all! your evendumber that I first thought. The Progressive movement has never been a 'political party' The progressive movement was borne from the industrial age when the robber barons left us with slums. The progressive movement included people from all religions and they did not basj christianity, many were chrisitians Red Wolfe goofball. The progressive movement cleaned up slums and enacted laws against child labor. You decry progressives yet if it weren't for them you would might have ended up in a factory working for pennies a day instead of posting inaccurate ideologies. The libertarians today are much closer to the democrats and the independent parties than that of the GOP. The current Bush cabal wants to destroy the constituion in case you forget,[That Gottdamn piece of paper] We are fighting for the working man and for the constitution not against it as bush and the gop is. I have no Idea how you have so confused polity, nor do I really care, but please pull your head out. Enjoy bashing Republicans because one day us Libertarians will take over the GOP and defeat the left once and for all!

your evendumber that I first thought. The Progressive movement has never been a ‘political party’
The progressive movement was borne from the industrial age when the robber barons left us with slums.
The progressive movement included people from all religions and they did not basj christianity, many were chrisitians Red Wolfe goofball.

The progressive movement cleaned up slums and enacted laws against child labor. You decry progressives yet if it weren’t for them you would might have ended up in a factory working for pennies a day instead of posting inaccurate ideologies. The libertarians today are much closer to the democrats and the independent parties than that of the GOP.
The current Bush cabal wants to destroy the constituion in case you forget,[That Gottdamn piece of paper] We are fighting for the working man and for the constitution not against it as bush and the gop is.

I have no Idea how you have so confused polity, nor do I really care, but please pull your head out.

]]> By: Trinary Suka http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795996 Trinary Suka Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:56:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795996 Trinary Suka: you said: Of course we know the bases that are being built are somewhat permanent… See this website from the Friends Committee on National Legislation (FCNL) Comment by P — S == Thank you for that confirmation P--S. Trinary Suka:
you said: Of course we know the bases that are being built are somewhat permanent…
See this website from the Friends Committee on National Legislation (FCNL)
Comment by P — S
==
Thank you for that confirmation P–S.

]]> By: brainrow :: A Man with No Plan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795478 brainrow :: A Man with No Plan Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:03:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795478 [...] (Via Think Progress.) [...] [...] (Via Think Progress.) [...]

]]> By: P http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795454 P Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:57:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795454 <blockquote>[H]e was plannaing (sic.) to attend the $1 million super bowl party being planned by Halliburton, for Halliburton, at taxpayer expense.</blockquote> I'd never heard about this before, Revolute. Where did you hear about this? I'm not really questioning that it is true, it seems well within the realm of reality --- ---- Trinary Suka: you said: <blockquote>Of course we know the bases that are being built are somewhat permanent...</blockquote> See <a href="http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm" rel="nofollow">this website</a> from the Friends Committee on National Legislation (FCNL)

[H]e was plannaing (sic.) to attend the $1 million super bowl party being planned by Halliburton, for Halliburton, at taxpayer expense.

I’d never heard about this before, Revolute. Where did you hear about this? I’m not really questioning that it is true, it seems well within the realm of reality

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Trinary Suka:

you said:

Of course we know the bases that are being built are somewhat permanent…

See this website from the Friends Committee on National Legislation (FCNL)

]]> By: Dear Kitty. Some blog :: USA: Bush’s false claims of Iraq-9/11 connection. Mark Fiore animation :: September :: 2006 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795332 Dear Kitty. Some blog :: USA: Bush’s false claims of Iraq-9/11 connection. Mark Fiore animation :: September :: 2006 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:23:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795332 [...] Rumsfeld banned post war reconstruction of Iraq. 2 Comments » [...] [...] Rumsfeld banned post war reconstruction of Iraq. 2 Comments » [...]

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795198 Marie Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:32:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795198 #20, Mass insanity is the only plausible excuse for the Bush administration. We all know Bush's brain is addled from years of alcohol and drugs, on an attention deficit disordered mind. Cheney is insane because no one can be that cold and evil if he had a functioning brain. Are we sure it is only his ticker that is stainless steel? Rumsfeld is insane because he remains delusional about the state of affairs in Iraq, Afghanistan, and not to mention, the military. Rice is insane because she is in love with her (fantasy) husband, GW. I don't want to demean mental disorders, but there is surely something impaired about all of them in the White House. #20,
Mass insanity is the only plausible excuse for the Bush administration. We all know Bush’s brain is addled from years of alcohol and drugs, on an attention deficit disordered mind.
Cheney is insane because no one can be that cold and evil if he had a functioning brain. Are we sure it is only his ticker that is stainless steel?
Rumsfeld is insane because he remains delusional about the state of affairs in Iraq, Afghanistan, and not to mention, the military.
Rice is insane because she is in love with her (fantasy) husband, GW.
I don’t want to demean mental disorders, but there is surely something impaired about all of them in the White House.

]]> By: Eargy Earp http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795196 Eargy Earp Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:32:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795196 Rumsfeld is like one of two old friends living out his last years at the rest home. He adamantly knows the answers to all the world's problems; can't be bothered by details or reality of the real world. He just likes to talk about what other people should do and how many bowel movements he's had lately. Where are the prunes? Rumsfeld is like one of two old friends living out his last years at the rest home. He adamantly knows the answers to all the world’s problems; can’t be bothered by details or reality of the real world. He just likes to talk about what other people should do and how many bowel movements he’s had lately.

Where are the prunes?

]]> By: hit_escape http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795169 hit_escape Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:26:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795169 Its plausible that Rumsfeld believed we would get in and get out, but I don't want to cut him that much slack. On the other hand, Big Oil saw the value in keeping that much oil off the market. We're helping Big Oil sustain high oil prices by occupying Iraq and doing nothing to fix their oil production. That was probably part of Cheney's secret energy meeting with oil execs. Its plausible that Rumsfeld believed we would get in and get out, but I don’t want to cut him that much slack. On the other hand, Big Oil saw the value in keeping that much oil off the market. We’re helping Big Oil sustain high oil prices by occupying Iraq and doing nothing to fix their oil production. That was probably part of Cheney’s secret energy meeting with oil execs.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795150 unbelievable Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:19:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795150 Just like Joan of Arc was eventually diagnozed with schizophrenia, I think later generations will diagnose Dumsfeld with severe mental disorders (not that we don't already know). The man is seriously delusional and out of touch with reality. Just like Joan of Arc was eventually diagnozed with schizophrenia, I think later generations will diagnose Dumsfeld with severe mental disorders (not that we don’t already know). The man is seriously delusional and out of touch with reality.

]]> By: Red Wolf Slum Lover http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795138 Red Wolf Slum Lover Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:15:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795138 Pro Jihad Left Jihad means war...neo-cons want war. Not the 'left' which I am not. I am Sovereign, as your Lord. Progressives want to clean out corruption and it is not a political party because it is made up from many parties and religions. Let me reminf you it was the progressives that cleane up the slums wrought by the robber barons, it was the Progreessive that stopped child labor, and it was the progressives that got you an 8 hour work day. But I suppose you bush lover want to destroy the costitution, re instate child labor and create more slums and pollut the rivers and atmosphere for some greenbacks Pro Jihad Left
Jihad means war…neo-cons want war. Not the ‘left’ which I am not. I am Sovereign, as your Lord.

Progressives want to clean out corruption and it is not a political party because it is made up from many parties and religions. Let me reminf you it was the progressives that cleane up the slums wrought by the robber barons, it was the Progreessive that stopped child labor, and it was the progressives that got you an 8 hour work day.

But I suppose you bush lover want to destroy the costitution, re instate child labor and create more slums and pollut the rivers and atmosphere for some greenbacks

]]> By: bones http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795127 bones Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:10:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795127 And #14, I'm not sure what country you're from but here in America trying to insult someone by calling them a "Stalinist" doesn't really work like in does in eastern europe. Perhaps you could update your "American cultural colloquial expressions" list and maybe use a racial slur, or use the "n" word, or perhaps make a comment about somebody's mama. And #14, I’m not sure what country you’re from but here in America trying to insult someone by calling them a “Stalinist” doesn’t really work like in does in eastern europe. Perhaps you could update your “American cultural colloquial expressions” list and maybe use a racial slur, or use the “n” word, or perhaps make a comment about somebody’s mama.

]]> By: bones http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795118 bones Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:06:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795118 #14- please explain how if Bush is a Fascist that makes anyone else a member of any other political party. #14- please explain how if Bush is a Fascist that makes anyone else a member of any other political party.

]]> By: Trinary Suka http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-795117 Trinary Suka Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:06:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/rumsfeld-forbade-post-war-planning-for-iraq/#comment-795117 Fascists are effecient at least! They got the effecient crap beat out them and got their country destroyed and many kiled for being so effiicent. Yeh effeciency wins wars...Not. Fascists are effecient at least!

They got the effecient crap beat out them and got their country destroyed and many kiled for being so effiicent.
Yeh effeciency wins wars…Not.

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