9/11 Commissioner Lehman On Path to 9/11: ‘If You Don’t Like The Hits On the Clinton Administration, Welcome to the Club’
9/11 Commissioner Lehman On Path to 9/11: ‘If You Don’t Like The Hits On the Clinton Administration, Welcome to the Club’
Today on ABC, former 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman (R) defended Path to 9/11. Lehman said, “if you don’t like the hits to the Clinton administration, well, welcome to the club.” According to Lehman, any defamatory material is acceptable because conservatives “have lived with Michael Moore” and “most of Hollywood.” Watch it:
Transcript:
LEHMAN: I think that it certainly should go forward. I’m told it’s equally harsh against the Bush administration, in fact, both Bush administrations and even back to Reagan for not retaliating against early strikes, so absolutely it should go forward, and if you don’t like the hits to the Clinton administration, well, welcome to the club. Republicans have lived with Michael Moore and Oliver Stone and most of Hollywood as a fact of life.
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Moore’s movie was not fiction.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:38 amExcept Disney wouldn’t distribute Michael Moore’s film and ABC is showing this canard in Primetime.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:40 amHit him back. But make sure you hit him hard right off the bat.
This bad flaw in all these progressive responses persists. It is not enough to simply play defense. It is not enough to simply defend the Clinton administration and point out all they did and said. It is not enough to logically lay out the facts in defense of the truth.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:40 amDon’t get me wrong, by all means do so, however IT MUST ALWAYS COME AFTER YOU KICK YOUR OPPONENT IN THE TEETH. Yes, fine defend Clinton. You should do that, you need to do that, you will do that. His administration deserves that. But first pick any one of the following bombs and right off the bat shove it down their throat.
Another low bred, knuckle dragging, bare foot, barn burning, pig abuser in a suit…
September 10th, 2006 at 9:41 am#1 ….EXACTLY. God help the American people. We are under attack…..by our own government
September 10th, 2006 at 9:44 amIt amazes me how the GOP has given such influence to Hollywood, Micheal Moore and the Dixie Chicks. You would think that with control of the White House and both houses of congress the GOP would have more than blaming Clinton and the Dixie Chicks for the GOP’s failed leadership. This is just another big hint that the GOP has nothing to offer voters in November.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:47 amSo this is the upright, and respectabel John Lehman who was supposed to be a fair aribter in the 9/11 commission. Now we see he is a Limp-baugh like partisan hack instead.
Way to go douchebag.
-GSD
September 10th, 2006 at 9:50 am“(Note last part of number two. It may not be true. In fact, I don’t think it is. But if you get it out there, it’s out there. And we would be happy to spend as much time as they like talking about exactly what murderous, hyper-religious, Muslim armies Reagan did fund and arm and train. See how that works? Now you have them playing defense).
Comment by new guy — September 10, 2006 @ 9:40 am ”
new guy, while I don’t disagree with your sentiment, I think we should be taking the higher ground. There are PLENTY of FACTS to use for putting religious right wingnuts in their place. Just use them instead. They tend to squirm more when you do that, and that leads them to make even bigger fools of themselves.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:51 amhey new guy,
I have been preaching that for a long time. Movies like PT911 are made because the Democrats and the DLC allow it. They go on FOX like schmucks and they sit on their hands when they should have been aggressively informing Americans about Bush crimes.
Other than Lieberman, top Democrats aren’t at risk of losing their jobs so they will not rock the boat. That’s the way it’s been since 2000.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:53 amWeird….. part of newguys previous post is missing!
September 10th, 2006 at 9:54 amMichael Moore’s movie was accurate. This one won’t be.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:07 am“He did it first”…. How third grade.
Yeah, he did do it first, but he did it with truth and facts to discover what was going on - it was not done as a vendetta or intentional lie.
The Bush Crime Family does have a history of relationships with the Saudi Arabian oil family that is related to Osama bin Laden. It’s teh truth, unlike this docu-lie. If that hurts neocons, then do your own homework next time on which hand-puppet you’re choosing to be your spokesman. Huh…
September 10th, 2006 at 10:09 amBush let Osama go at Tora Bora.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:11 amMaybe if Repubicans hadn’t gone to war under false pretenses and lied to the American people, Michael Moore would not have felt compelled to make a movie about the whole Iraq fiasco that is killing people even as we speak.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:14 amMichel Moore attacked Bush for his lies , incompetence andhis goring to a war or choice . Lehman is part of the right wing cabal who wants to establish an authocratic ,aristocratic society in the USA to away with the constitution , return to the days of exploitation of the masses .
September 10th, 2006 at 10:16 amI say bring back Robespiere .
From disillusioned Republican Andrew Sullivan:
Next week, I’m informed via troubled White House sources, will see the full unveiling of Karl Rove’s fall election strategy. He’s intending to line up 9/11 families to accuse McCain, Warner and Graham of delaying justice for the perpetrators of that atrocity, because they want to uphold the ancient judicial traditions of the U.S. military and abide by the Constitution. He will use the families as an argument for legalizing torture, setting up kangaroo courts for military prisoners, and giving war crime impunity for his own aides and cronies. This is his “Hail Mary” move for November; it’s brutally exploitative of 9/11; it’s pure partisanship; and it’s designed to enable an untrammeled executive. Decent Republicans, Independents and Democrats must do all they can to expose and resist this latest descent into political thuggery. If you need proof that this administration’s first priority is not a humane and effective counter-terror strategy, but a brutal, exploitative path to retaining power at any price, you just got it.
-GSD
September 10th, 2006 at 10:17 amI wonder what movie Micheal Moore is making. Did he make a movie about how America went to war with the wrong country?.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:19 amThe Conservative Voice just put out two opinion pieces. One says Path to 9/11 is “just a movie” and everyone knows it is a work of fiction. The second says it is enlightening and factual. That’s about as good an example of talking out of both sides of your mouth as I can think of.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:23 amMichael Moore is completing his next film. It’s called ‘Sicko’, and it’s about health care (or rather lack thereof) in this country. I’m guessing the neocons won’t like it either - it’s filled with facts and a lot of poor people who can’t get medical care….
(He talks about it on his website)
September 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amHas anone heard of the feedback from places like Australia and New Zealand?
I checked the online version of the Brisbane paper, and I didn’t see anything. The Sydney paper’s review talked more about the acting.
Am I looking in the wrong places, or is this being ignored for the most part?
September 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amThe big difference between the Moore film and this film is that Moore’s film was never, ever going to be broadcast, commercial free, on network television around 9/11 (or November 2, 2004, for that matter).
If this film were going to be on cable, or in movie theaters, it would be a different matter. But the networks use the public airwaves - and hence must be held to a much higher standard.
If ABC wanted to make this film, they needed to bring in a centrist filmmaker, not a friend of Rush - who would steer clear of any interpretation that the Commission did not adopt.
Richard Clarke was the Bush Administration’s point man in the war on terror at the time of 9/11, and yet according to the Vice-President, Clarke was kept “out of the loop” during the period from January through September 2001. What does that single explanation, which I take to be one of Chaney’s few honest assessments, tell you about the seriousness in which the Bush Administration was treating the war on terror?
As a New Yorker, I take ABC’s decision to become an agent in the Right’s propaganda campaign personally. My city was attacked on 9/11, and yet we voted 75%-25% for John Kerry in November 2004. We never bought the Bush Administration’s sorry excuses, and we still don’t today.
I had quite a bit to say on this subject, on the occasion of the 4th Anniversary of 9/11, in a column for the Democracy Cell Project.
http://www.democracycellproject.net/ blog/ archives/ 2005/ 09/ a_bitter_annive.html
September 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amWhat a beautiful example of the difference between today’s right wing and left wing! On the left, facts matter. On the right, only points of view matter, and they’re all legitimate. With that in mind, there really is no difference for those on the right between a film that presented facts but was slanted in that presentation to present a point of view, and a film that makes stuff up out of whole cloth to present a point of view.
Kind of ironic, considering how many years the right criticized the left for “relativism”.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:28 amPresently he’s making a movie called “SICKO” about the health care system and the drug companies.
I would love to see a “Farenheit 911 part TWO.”
The story of American disgrace and failure under incompetent and fanatical leadership continues.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:30 amAmerica used to send our best and brightest to Washington.
Now we get Lehmans.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:37 amHeh, Republicans equate any attack, even if it’s based on fact, as character slander, and therefore feel no compunction about saying ANYTHING to muddy the issue and take the weight of blame off of their collective shoulders.
As previouely mentioned, nobody collected on Moore’s triple-dog-dare to point out factual errors in his movie. Path to 9/11 goes past docudrama into the realm of revisionist history.
If Repulbicans want to blame Clinton for all of society’s ills, FINE, it’s their right as Americans to be shallow and stupid. But when they have to support their anti-Clinton arguments on things that never happened, how exactly does that help to support their argument?
The only “good” thing about Path to 9/11 (and I use the word “good” loosely) is that it proves to all the neocon base that Bush still hasn’t found bin Laden. Blame Clinton all you want, but Bush is in charge now-has been for 6 years, and bin Laden still breathes free air, he’s a hero to perhaps millions of people who we would call terrorists though they would calll themselves defenders of their faith, and therefore righteous in their actions. Know that the hearts and minds of the rest of the world are turned against us like never before, Your boy, Bush, this monkey you foiolishly gave the jeys to the kingdom, is in charge, and you and your children and all our children are less safe as a result. Nice going, jackasses.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:39 am“The big difference between the Moore film and this film is that Moore’s film was never, ever going to be broadcast, commercial free, on network television around 9/11″
exactly. but you forgot to mention that they had a deal with scholastic to distribute materials for classroom discussions on this “path” nonsense.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:45 amLehman’s comparison of the upcoming 9/11 docudrama with the trials and tribulations of the republicans suffered with Moore’s films is an absurdity. We are talking about the tragedy that happened in New York killing thousands and destroying valuable infrastructure. The committee that he served on to reveal the truth and determine accountability and responsibilty for this tragic event was flawed and incompetent from its inception. The co-chair, Tom Keane, is a republican hack and never had the integrity and will to conduct a truthful investigation as verified by his curent task as “advisor” to the film makers at ABC. What a joke. He revealed his true colors on ABC with George Stephenapolous this AM. He is another republican profiteer. Jon Lehman is a dolt.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:49 amAnd, Mr. Lehman, what of honesty and the public trust.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:50 amJust like the Right Wingers…you people think you can shut down this countries freedoms. I find this all VERY funny…really…don’t stop…you’re making me laugh. I doubt this will make the comments, but thought I’d give it a shot anyway…I have seen Path and I can see how President Clinton would be upset. I understand his desire to not have it shown…truly, no kidding here…not because it is false or fictionalized…rather because it shows a very embarrassing portion of his presidency. Maybe the filmmakers should have seen this coming…not sure why they didn’t, but all these people who have NEVER seen it and are commenting make me laugh.
All the threats and innuendoes are ridiculous. If ABC is going to face law suits then let them…they’re a big company…they can handle it. Still you people make me laugh because you are trying to shut down some of the basic tenants of our society. E.g. freedom of speech, journalistic freedoms, oh yes, the democratic process, etc…YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!
The funniest part? Now, this will be the most watched television show of all time! All because you people. “You people?†You ask…you know whom you are, the individuals that get most or all of your talking points from other liberal blogs and boards…like sheep to the slaughter. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of those boards are run by Disney marketing or right-wingers! FUNNY!
Please, don’t stop…I can’t find humor on the Internet like this anywhere. I mean, how funny is it going to be when I sit back with my popcorn and turn on the television tomorrow night and think, “America, what a great place…whine as they might…left or right…they can’t stop us!†America the beautiful. Shoot, I think Disney should have put this thing in theaters, they probably could have beat Pirates of the Caribbean 2 at the boxoffice! LMAO!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:04 amShame on Lehman > the gloves are off > there must be a NEW investigation of what really transpired during 9/11/01, and if the Bush Regime was involved in any way that would be high treason to America!
Michael Moore’s film is a real documentary, based on facts using real documents and video clips of Bush, etc. > plus you had to go watch it at a movie theater, not shown for free on ABC! And it’s only 2 hours in length, not 5 1/2 hours long like the ABC phony docudrama, which has recreated scenes using actors!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:22 amIt occurred to me when I awoke this morning that I finally understand why this topic has enraged me so. There’s plenty to be outraged about with this administration. Iraq, Plame, domestic surveillance, lies, lies, lies. But this one has grabbed me intensely.
It’s the politicization of one of the most awful events in our history. It’s using the memory of 3000 dead for political gain, for partisan point-making. It’s as if “they” think it’s “their” issue. It’s “their” pain. They’ve co-opted the tragedy to make it their own. Lehland says it…lying about 9-11 is payback. Suck it, liberals! How dare they crap on the graves of all those who lost their lives, and all of us who were deeply wounded that day. ALL of us.
And that’s what I hate most of all. That there is no more ALL of us. I fear that we are forever divided, and I no longer recognize my own country.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:22 am#30 Nice job posing as a moderate, little wingnut. Great talk on constitutional freedoms from a syncophant of this administration that has pissed on civil liberties from the begining. Make your popcorn and watch your fantasies unfold on tv. Your stupidity should make me laugh; it would if it wasn’t so unbelievably pathetic.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:33 amTroqua - I hear your pain…but you obviously did not watch Moore’s 9/11, and like Jay Randall you have not seen Path to 9/11 either.
Moore’s Farenheit 9/11 was dealing with 9/11! You know the one where 3,000 people died.
Path only uses (used since it probably had to be censored) news footage of President Clinton…no actors were used in his stead…
People, please jus watch the thing…you will be pissed, but not because of the lack of facts…rather the presence of them.
THE TRUTH HURTS!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:33 amHas anone heard of the feedback from places like Australia and New Zealand?
Comment by trueblue — September 10, 2006 @ 10:26 am
i read this earlier on the FAST thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 09/ 09/ path-think-fast/ #comment-797787
September 10th, 2006 at 11:40 am#33 ESP- Was it in a psychic vision that you viewed and critiqued Path….. It seems you have a connection and insight to the “truth” that no one else seems to have access to. Does the truth hurt ESP?
September 10th, 2006 at 11:49 amWell suprise, suprise! Another Repbulican 9/11 Commissioner who places partisanship above the truth when it comes to the depiction of our greatest national tragedy. It’s a wonder the 9/11 Commission finished their report without simiply praising Bush for his valor and wisdom.
I’m so tired of the indignant analysis about what we already knew was true. The Republicans will consistently stoop to unimaginable depths to keep the Democrats out of power. This mocudrama is a minor demonstration of what they’ll do when compared to their invasion of Iraq. How much more proof do we need ?
The question is simple: What are we going to do now? How much more motivation do we need? How can we best make ABC, Disney and the repugnant lot pay for this? The simple answer is to vote Democratic. Get your friends, family and colleagues at work to vote Democrat. Talk to them now. Drive together when you vote. Give money to the DCC. Spend time working for your local Democaratic House and Senatorial candidates, gubernatorial candidates, State House and Senate candidates, even city council Democratic candidates. Voice your discontent in your local papers when you see lies being propogated by the media. And then, when we’ve made that necessary change, push for a reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine so this type of partisan trash-along withLimbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly–are forever removed from the public airwaves. Put them on Serius with Howard but keep them off the air! Let the square heads pay for their hate but keep it off the air.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:54 amI will not watch this program nor will anyone in my household. As was stated earlier, there has yet to be one, NOT ONE, lie from F911. However, even conservatives are saying ABC has gotted this wrong. If you want to tell a story, tell the TRUTH. 911 was bad enough with the facts, they did not need to make up blatent lies to further their agenda.
I am tired of these idiots comparing F911 to this movie being shown tonight. F911 was not shown on public airwaves. F911 did not use actors. Moore never tried to hide his political leanings like the hacks who put together this movie. People knew going into F911 what the agenda was. These hacks are saying they have based this on the 911 commission report and when called on their lies admitted to distorting the facts.
Republicans have indeed become the repulsive party!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:58 amWhat We Do Now
September 10th, 2006 at 12:02 pm…
We must take the energy and awareness created over the last week and funnel it into meaningful ways of taking back control of OUR media. [for one…] Yes, we must organize boycotts of Disney and ABC, and keep up the pressure. We must demand that ABC give equal time to critics of “Path to 9/11.†We can propose programming with historians and investigators, and those who were there as a counter-balance in the coming weeks. We must push ABC News to bring a balanced account of the controversy over their network’s Path to Shame (h/t LATimes). We must do all of these things, but more importantly, we must step back and look at the big picture concerning the need for reform of our whorish corporate media.
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http://www.firedoglake.com/ 2006/ 09/ 09/ what-we-do-now/ #more-4410
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Post 33 EyeSawPath > the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama has NOT been broadcast yet in the United States, so I could not have seen it even if I wanted to, which by the way I will NOT watch because it’s 100% fiction! I do NOT watch GOP funded propaganda that smears Democrats to obsolve Bush from ineptitude and malfeasance regarding his actions during 9-11-01!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:02 pmStone has never claimed his films are historical - the public has always known they were Stone’s own version.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:09 pmMoore has been more polemic in his films, but in Fahrenheit 9/11, he has offered a monetary reward for anyone who can find a lie in it.
Lehmen is disingenuous; if he believes that Stone and Moore are so wrong for America, then why does not he condemn this film?
ABC/Disney have a deal with persons having an agenda against the Clinton administration, and supportive of Bush & Co. They are presenting this on free public airwaves, network TV, and it is promoted as a based-on-fact docudrama which the public will more easily absorb than the official 9ll Commission report.
This is insidious propaganda and Lehman is applying a double standard.
I am probably one of very few here who have seen both Farenheit & Path…no brag, just fact. And, I will probably be one of the only ones that can still say that next Tuesday…since most of you lefties won’t watch Path & most of you righties refuse to watch Farenheit.
OSTRICH vs OSTRICH
September 10th, 2006 at 12:10 pmJAY RANDAL (#39)
You’re showing your OSTRICH and your ignorance all in one little post…effecient use of your keyboard…
“…so I could not have seen it even if I wanted to, which by the way I will NOT watch because it’s 100% fiction!”
September 10th, 2006 at 12:13 pmPost 41 EyeSawPath > if you in fact have seen the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama, then that means you are a paid GOP agent on here! I do NOT watch contrived GOP funded propaganda, so denegrate me and others on here all you like > I will NOT watch the damn thing, nor should anybody else!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:17 pmThere is no reason to boycott watching the movie - Disney is running it without commercials. They spent $40 MILLION on a propaganda piece for NO MONETARY RETURN.
So go ahead and watch it. Fact check it.
Then demand your local affiliates to air exposes of the untruths they aired in their newscasts and in public service announcements at their own expense. Other wise they will regret the public comments that will come at license renewal time. And their local advertisers will regret the ill will they acquire by advertising on a station that willingly airs lies.
Document every lie and MAKE the local affiliates PAY for publicly correcting them. Or make them PAY by boycotting their advertisers.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:18 pmEyeSawPath > we know who you work for so cut the crap! Go peddle your support of the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama elsewhere please! Ignorance is watching propaganda!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pmtruth of no cencern to republicans, its the hits - truth or lie - that count. Republicans are all about partisan hackery.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pm.
Disney’s first mistake is to have called this Path 10 9/11. It should be Fantasia’s journey to 9/11 and the second mistake is they call it a documentary, which it’s more like a fakeumentary. Hat’s off to Disney for achieving a new technological advancement and making a LIVE animation.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pmI, like you Jay Randal am just concerned American citizen…I don’t want you to watch for any other reason than that…know the truth and it will know you!
#44 - oh, contrare…ABC/Disney is going to make a ton of money on this thing…the rest of the world is going to purchase the rights for a many # a toll.
Thanks to all of the OSTRICHS!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:23 pmReally nice to see how balanced so many are here. Extremism can definitely come from the left as much as from the right. Both are childish footstomping.
Noone seems to think we need an opportunity to think about how we let this go on for years with no reaction, irrespective of parties or presidents (they were all guilty)… just as we did before the civil war, WWI & WWII… what makes us as a people incapable of seeing danger before we get hit in the face?
Are we all so involved with violent left or right language & the leaning of the Congress that we can’t see what infighting and nonaction or fear thereof can/has cost us?
September 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI wish I worked for Disney…I hear they pay fairly well.
Oh, one more time for the fun of it:
Just like the Right Wingers…you people think you can shut down this countries freedoms. I find this all VERY funny…really…don’t stop…you’re making me laugh. I doubt this will make the comments, but thought I’d give it a shot anyway…I have seen Path and I can see how President Clinton would be upset. I understand his desire to not have it shown…truly, no kidding here…not because it is false or fictionalized…rather because it shows a very embarrassing portion of his presidency. Maybe the filmmakers should have seen this coming…not sure why they didn’t, but all these people who have NEVER seen it and are commenting make me laugh.
All the threats and innuendoes are ridiculous. If ABC is going to face law suits then let them…they’re a big company…they can handle it. Still you people make me laugh because you are trying to shut down some of the basic tenants of our society. E.g. freedom of speech, journalistic freedoms, oh yes, the democratic process, etc…YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!
The funniest part? Now, this will be the most watched television show of all time! All because you people. “You people?†You ask…you know whom you are, the individuals that get most or all of your talking points from other liberal blogs and boards…like sheep to the slaughter. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of those boards are run by Disney marketing or right-wingers! FUNNY!
Please, don’t stop…I can’t find humor on the Internet like this anywhere. I mean, how funny is it going to be when I sit back with my popcorn and turn on the television TONIGHT and think, “America, what a great place…whine as they might…left or right…they can’t stop us!†America the beautiful. Shoot, I think Disney should have put this thing in theaters, they probably could have beat Pirates of the Caribbean 2 at the boxoffice! LMAO!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pmTo EyeSawPath: you’re right. We do have something in this country called, “freedom of speech.” But we also have rules on that freedom. I can’t use my freedom of speech to knowingly and/or harmfully deceive someone. And that’s why so many of us are against this movie. If they wanted to advertise it as a drama detailing what events could have happened that lead to 9/11, and show it on a non-public broadcasting station, that’d be fine. It’s their right. But airing this with the caption “Based on the 9/11 Commission Report” when entire sections of the movie contradict the 911CR….that’s being deceitful. Having these errors pointed out to them, many months in advance, and resisting changing them, speaks even more to a willful attempt to deceive.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:34 pmI can’t yell “Bomb!” in a crowded airport, and ABC shouldn’t be allowed to claim Bill Clinton let Osama Bin Laden go free.
Nothing in Fahrenheit 9/11 was contradicted by the 9/11 Commission Report.
Bad analogy.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmPost 50 confirms who EyeSawPath works for > he is paid to promote the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama on TP threads! Do NOT watch the ABC flick tonight, nor tomorrow night either!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmMoore never claimed any of his movies was based on a major bipartisan investigation.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:47 pmHey, there’s a new Simpsons on tonight! Go FOX!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:49 pmABC and Disney must be boycotted by every decent American! Do NOT buy any Disney products! Do NOT visit Disney theme parks in Florida or California! Do NOT watch anything on ABC ever! Ask your cable provider to remove the Disney channel from your station lineup! Do NOT pay to watch Disney flicks at theaters! If you own Disney stock, then sell it now!
ABC and Disney must be forced into bankruptcy for foisting propaganda onto our children to help the vile Bush Regime and the corrupt GOP!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:55 pmCommr Lehman has indirect implied that the 911 report is biased. If he beleieves that there should be hits back then he has been biased all along. We need a new congress who has the balls and is willing to acurately investigate 911.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:05 pmLehamn reminds me of the the little runt on the schoolyard, defending his bully friend, simply so he won’t be the next victim.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:09 pmThe difference, of course, being that in order to slam the Bush administration, all Michael Moore had to do was turn on the videocamera. For this slam to take place, actors had to be hired, screenplays had to be written, characters had to be composited and timelines had to be collapsed. But then again, this is a bunch for which reality is a nuisance, not a yardstick.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:30 pmyou all are kool aid drinkers…… slick willy FAILED
September 10th, 2006 at 1:41 pmThis man is a Fascist.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:50 pmI don’t believe this brazenly mendacious propaganda piece is going to do anything but show Bush Republicans to be the desperately unprincipled self-seekers the majority of Americans already believe they are. As far as the mid-term elections are concerned, this transparent creation of lies and denial of facts will motivate and mobilize Democrats, soft Republicans and Independents to vote Democratic in even greater numbers. The key to winning the mid-term elections is voter turnout. This movie’s purposefully treacherous rewriting of the historical facts leading up to 9/11 will cause principled Americans to vote for change. It will provide Democrats a “recent†tangible action they can point to that associates Republican candidates to Bush’s failures leading up to 9/11 by pointing out its malicious intent and calculated deceit. The deliberate and dishonorable use of a national tragedy that all Americans still remember and mourn, as partisan propaganda is a depravity Bush Republicans can’t deny. They have provided Democrats the means to defeat them. The truth.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:54 pmABC and Disney Must Be Boycotted!
Sunday 10th of September 2006
by Jay Randal
Since ABC and Disney Corp. have refused to cancel the phony docu-drama on 9/11/01 terrorist attack, so they must be punished by boycotting all their services!
Do NOT watch any programs on ABC! Do NOT buy any Disney products! Do NOT visit any Disney theme parks in Florida and California! Do NOT pay to view any Disney movies at home, nor at any movie theaters!
ABC and Disney Corp. must be economically forced into bankruptcy for foisting GOP funded propaganda down the throats of our children to help Bush Regime!
Every decent American citizen must take part in the boycott until ABC and Disney Corp. are completely ruined financially, and punished for their dire actions in promoting falsehoods & violating common decency!
Also, the Congress must investigate the funding of the phony docu-drama to find out if any violations of law occurred, and to expose all the individuals involved too!
There is a GOP conspiracy to blame Democrats for 9/11/01!
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.)
PS: Do NOT watch the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama > PERIOD.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:14 pmFunny thing about the left. They have no problem with other people getting smeared and will gladly join in on the smearing, but let someone dare suggest thtey are as dirty as they claim the other guy is and they just can’t take it… like a 5 yo kid.
It must really kill you guys to have Hollywood and most of the MSM with you and STILL people see you for what you are. A bunch of self centered, whiney, frustrated freaks.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:17 pmxxx
Comment by Dan Sperry — September 10, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
I like pie.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:21 pmComment by Dan Sperry — September 10, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Yawn. Boring. No points for you, Mr. Sperry.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:23 pmA bunch of self centered, whiney, frustrated freaks.
Comment by Dan Sperry
A bunch — Yes, we are a bunch.
Self centered — Yes, sometimes, because we’re so damned cute.
Whiney — No, sorry, but you righties have the market cornered on that one.
Frustrated freaks — That really depends on one’s definition of “frustrated freak.” I could claim that one, because franky, it’s been a while, but I can’t speak for the others.
Anything else, Dan?
September 10th, 2006 at 2:25 pmLETS FIND A WAY TO GET THIS GUY AND EVERYONE THAT PERPITRATES LIES UPON THE PUBLIC
September 10th, 2006 at 2:25 pmIt’s like kicking over an ant hill. You guys are too funny. Especially the one that wants to “get” me. HooHaw!
September 10th, 2006 at 2:45 pmWow, so many kooks out there. Could someone please reveal to me just whom Bush’s ’secret police’ whisked away in the middle of the night? What’s that? There was no one? Oh. Well, how about the location of the ‘re-education camps’ he set up, where are they? What? They don’t exist? Well I was told Bush was a dictator, Rove was setting up kangaroo courts to imprison people falsely accused of crimes, the draft would begin again in Dec. 2004, we went to war to steal oil and you mean the left LIED about all this? Wow! I guess I was a fool to believe the left. So would be you.
D
September 10th, 2006 at 2:50 pmDavid G,
A threatening letter has just arrived at White House over your name, address and social security number — you’ll find out about all of the above items in due course.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:54 pmOh yeah. Please stay away from Disney. It would be great if it wasn’t so crowded and everyone there was a Republican. No more whining!
D
September 10th, 2006 at 2:56 pmHad you guys just not watched it…like you are entitled to…the freedom to watch is also the emplied freedom not to…then maybe fifteen or twenty millioin would have seen this mini-series. Now, the numbers will probably be over fifty million! And, the worse part is that you still will not have seen it…thinking somehow that your not watching it hurts the network, but your making a loud noise about the airing of it will not???
Here is the best part…once those extra 20-30 million watch it they are going to be saying, “What the hell are the liberals talkinig about. There is no actor playing Clinton…all this happened!”
Ever heard the phrase, “Loose, loose”? That is what will happen for the Dems on Tuesday morning…
Moral of the story…measure twice, cut once…or check your facts before you go screaming, “The sky is falling…the sky is falling!”
ESP
September 10th, 2006 at 2:58 pmThis man should have his name removed from the 9/11 Commission Report.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:58 pmDavidG,
GREAT POINT…LESS PEOPLE AT DISNEY LAND - YEAH!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 3:01 pm>This man should have his name removed from the 9/11 Commission >Report.
Can’t have people wandering off the Left’’s talking points now can we.
As the Left says “Free speech for me, but not for thee.”
September 10th, 2006 at 3:04 pmGot a typical attack from ‘the left’ just for speaking my mind. How open minded.
D
September 10th, 2006 at 3:10 pmDon’t forget, it’s just a movie. It’s not a phony ‘documentary’ like Moore or Stone would make.
D
September 10th, 2006 at 3:13 pmI voted three times for the Bushes…and both times for Clinton…would have given him a third one if allowed by the powers that be.
I do not work for anyone on the right or the left…probably never will…love what I do too much. I just happened to get invited to a screening of Path to 9/11. Thought it was a very moving production.
Walked out after the screening and chatted with my democrat buddy. We agreed that night one was a clear statement that the Republicans will be ashamed of their attacking our Commander in Chief (President Clinton) with partisan politics while he was trying to deal with foreign terrorist threats. Maybe just mine and my buddies take on it…but we sure were not thinking all this mess would come from it.
Once some level headed individuals watch it and comment I will reconsider my impression of Path.
esp
P.S. Now, for certain, I will not vote a third time for Clinton. Too turned off by all of this mess.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThat there are American citizens who call themselves patriots who believe it is justified to lie and distort the facts concerning the truthful historical events that lead up to the 9/11 tragedy we still remember and mourn, and that it is morally compatible with their perverted values to deliberately deceive and confuse school children with purposeful partisan propaganda is more disgraceful than anything I can imagine. There is no doubt that the Bush Republican right are a depraved and treacherous lot.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:16 pm“Depraved and treachrous” - sounds terrorists to me.
I don’t think any of us on this board are deserving of those labels…”passionate”, “committed”, yes, even “patriotic” - but OSAGE you are name calling when all are doing is having heated debate…
Okay, I did call some “OSTRICH” - but that is more for their inability to watch a smiple show, whether Farenheit or Path, whether left or right…but let’s save the name calling for those who attacked our soil and killed our fellow citizens.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:35 pmThe entire Clinton Admin was a disgrace and a Farce. They took credit for things they were not responsible for and shirked their responsibilities while Clinton was doing the help.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:43 pmLOL.. Michael Moore’s movie was as non-fictional as Huckleberry Finn. I find it extremely humorous that most people who are willing to trash, demean, foulmouth, and smear people all day long, fall all to pieces when someone talks bad about them…OMG! you woulda thought the sky was falling.
Mr. Moore’s fictional account of 9/11 was so factually incorrect, it was actually humorous to watch, and scary when you think that he actually believes it. I don’t seem to remember any Republican demanding it not be shown, it needs to be cut, boycott anyplace that shows it, etc etc ad nauseum
I had an instructor once, who used to say that he could tell when a person was lying, because it takes more energy to lie, than to tell the truth. When people lie, they speak louder and more forcibly becuase of this. I wonder why Mr. Clinton protests so loudly?
September 10th, 2006 at 3:43 pmOkay, here is an article that is pointing out exactly what I am trying to say. Bottom line, if you can’t watch Path, at least read this.
Dems on a ‘Path’ to shame
By L. Brent Bozell III
Sunday, September 10, 2006
To mark the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attack on America, ABC Entertainment is presenting a six-hour miniseries titled “The Path to 9/11,” a forceful, compelling docudrama chronicling the struggles faced by America’s counterterrorist experts between the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 and the one in 2001.
Unlike the tone of too much reporting on terrorism, where anyone who fights terrorism is depicted as assembling naked Muslim pyramids if in Iraq, this film treats the fight against terror as deadly business — and not just deadly business but a noble struggle for the survival of our nation.
Serious scholars of current events, not to mention some of those named in the film, may take issue with parts of this presentation. The movie is based on the report of the 9/11 commission, which itself is not infallible in its conclusions on what went wrong and what needs to be fixed. Moreover, up front the moviemakers note it has composite characters and manipulates the time of events for a better movie experience. As a “docudrama,” it has taken certain poetic license with history.
It’s sad, but predictable, that some on the far left have dismissed this film as a “right-wing” snow job. The first line of attack on the film came from loyal Clinton Democrats who are simply incapable of accepting any blame, or even a dollop of criticism, over the mistakes leading up to 9/11. (There are reports that the film was being re-edited days before its premiere.)
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The Center for American Progress, led by former Clinton Chief of Staff John Podesta, has been marching on several fronts, at both Media Matters for America and at the blog, Think Progress.org, which set up a campaign called “Tell ABC to Tell the Truth About 9/11″ and claims the film is guilty of “whitewashing” the Bush administration’s failures.
These folks either haven’t watched the film, in which case they ought to remain silent, or have seen it, in which case they are being disingenuous.
Both Clinton and Bush officials come under fire, and if it seems more anti-Clinton, that’s only because they were in office a lot longer than Team Bush before Sept. 11. Indeed, the film drives home the point that from our enemies’ perspective, it’s irrelevant who is in the White House. (One scene has Muslims shooting machine guns at a video image of Bill Clinton.) They simply want to kill Americans and destroy America.
The film doesn’t play favorites, and the Bush administration takes its lumps as well. Condoleezza Rice, for one, takes a hit. Among other things, she is presented as foolishly demoting National Security Council counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke to a smaller role devoted to cyber-security. The famous Aug. 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing, which warned of an impending domestic attack from Osama bin Laden, is presented as spelling out the approaching cataclysm in black and white, and to no avail.
FBI officials in Phoenix in 2001 waved red flags about Muslims taking flight lessons and were ignored. FBI officials in Minneapolis sent distress signals about Zacarias Moussaoui, and they went unheeded. All that, and more, is there.
Now I will confess a personal bias here. Whether from our politicians or, more dramatically, from our news media, there is a most unhealthy obsession with criticism. As one network scribe once put it, “Good news is no news, bad news is great news.” Yes, mistakes were made. But we cannot, and ought not, overlook the extraordinary work being performed by so many who are so devoted to our nation’s security.
And “The Path to 9/11″ doesn’t ignore this truth. The film underscores that many, many men and women, most of them toiling in anonymity, in and out of uniform, have been working ceaselessly to protect America and are richly deserving of a nation’s gratitude. Some individuals, like Clarke and former FBI counterintelligence expert John O’Neil, the newly appointed head of security at the Twin Towers who died inside the World Trade Center, are presented heroically.
One can quibble with some elements, but only a fool would ignore the message: America’s intelligence apparatus was woefully unprepared for 9/11 and remains dangerously inadequate today. It is a frightening, sobering warning.
Most people will find this movie not just engrossing but necessary. The people who will hate this movie are the radicals who dismiss the war on terrorism as a phantom issue. As one blogger at the Daily Kos pleaded about the ABC film: “So who is the greater threat to democracy? Terrorists or media consolidation?” Nothing, but nothing will bring this crowd to reality.
ABC chief Bob Iger reportedly has told his staff he believes this is one television show all of America needs to see. He’s right.
L. Brent Bozell III is president of the Media Research Center.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/ x/ pittsburghtrib/ opinion/ columnists/ guests/ s_469649.html
September 10th, 2006 at 3:47 pmI had an instructor once, who used to say that he could tell when a person was lying, because it takes more energy to lie, than to tell the truth. When people lie, they speak louder and more forcibly becuase of this. I wonder why Mr. Clinton protests so loudly?
Comment by Douglas G.
Ah, but perhaps HE was lying to you! If so, you’ve been wrong for a lot of years - and perhaps you should apologize to your kid for some of those beatings you gave him because he “lied.”
Mr. Moore’s fictional account of 9/11 was so factually incorrect, it was actually humorous to watch, and scary when you think that he actually believes it. I don’t seem to remember any Republican demanding it not be shown, it needs to be cut, boycott anyplace that shows it, etc etc ad nauseum
Yet again, no evidence - just like Saddam’s link to 9/11 - yet you bedwetters swallowed that one whole!
This is a commercial-free gift to the republican party, and your memory must be faulty - ’cause I remember wingnuts going after it hammer and tong. Disney refused to promote it - unlike this propaganda piece.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:53 pmGot a typical attack from ‘the left’ just for speaking my mind. How open minded.
D
Comment by DavidG
It was a good one, too! I’m laughing my ass off!
Stop wetting your pants, trolls, it’s getting smelly in here.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:53 pmAs the Left says “Free speech for me, but not for thee.â€
Comment by Dan Sperry
You guys cried bloody murder when “the Reagans” was to be aired and got it shown on Showtime instead - its a little hypocritical to now claim”censorship, don’t you think?”
September 10th, 2006 at 3:59 pmAnyone read the article, “Dems on a Path to Shame”?
September 10th, 2006 at 3:59 pmI had an instructor once, who used to say that he could tell when a person was lying, because it takes more energy to lie, than to tell the truth. When people lie, they speak louder and more forcibly becuase of this. I wonder why Mr. Clinton protests so loudly?
Comment by Douglas G.
Those are just the obvious liars Doug G. We all know Clinton lied that time about putting his naughty bits where they didn’t belong.
If you want to see professional liars, just wait for the next GWB or Cheney speech, and press the “mute” button.
Watch for the facial ticks, the grabbing of the podium, the facial blotchiness, excessive blinking, the aggressive stance, and, if you watch very, very closely, you’ll see the minute facial expressions that give the whole thing away.
It’s very interesting, in a horrifying blood-soaked kind of way…
September 10th, 2006 at 4:00 pmEyesore:
Its being shown in New Zealand, with parts included that are pure fantasy - you should write a thank-you to Disney for the free propaganda! And you can quit with the fake “centrist” routine - it’s pretty apparent you’re anything but. Embrace your inner Bush!
September 10th, 2006 at 4:04 pmL. Brent Bozell III is president of the Media Research Center.
That pretty much exposes your political proclivities, Eyepatch.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:06 pmGuys…I told you…I voted for Bush…no “inner Bushness” there.
And I have been doing Googles on this for past couple of days…reading all the comments and articles…not just the lib ones…like most of you. I am not a Centrist….maybe a Demopublican that is becoming a Republicrat…
This morning it dawned on me why the Dems are so desperate to get the immigrant vote….you guys are a dying breed…you need warm bodies. Truly being honest here…I think that is it…fight as you may…unless you wake up and smell the reality it’s over pretty soon…
September 10th, 2006 at 4:17 pmEyePatch
Comment by Barfly — September 10, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
Perhaps YOU are lying to me? I see that you can’t regrain from namecalling also… Please note, something I don’t feel a need to do.
Be well.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:24 pmEyeSawPath,
You have all your bases covered, but you are committed to none of them.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:25 pm56 lies about “Fahrenhiet 911″ http://www.davekopel.com/ Terror/ Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
Times and Dates prove many falsehoods in “F 911″
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/moore.htm
Slate Magazine-Falsehoods in “F 911″
http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/
MSNBC More Distortions and Lies to Moore
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek
Unlike what Moore purported as a factual documentary, Path to 9-11 is a fictionalized docu-drama set in a historical time period that is factual to the events, not necessarily the characters. What is so hard in telling the difference between the two?
September 10th, 2006 at 4:54 pmUp until now the Democrats on the 9/11 Commission have held back in a bi-partisan effort to present a unified telling of 9/11. Watching the current partisan grandstanding by the Republicans I would now expect the Democrats to take the gloves off. Today Jill Garlock seemed more than ready to do just that. Tuesday could be an interesting day. Keith Olbermann will be a must watch.
For whatever reason the Republicans have it in their craw that now is payback time. I doubt that they understand what happens after one strikes a hornets nest.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pmI see that you can’t regrain from namecalling also. Please note, something I don’t feel a need to do.
Be well.
Comment by Douglas G. — September 10, 2006 @ 4:24
As the Left says “Free speech for me, but not for thee.â€
Comment by Dan Sperry
So making up strawmen, ascribing anti-free speech tendencies, and naming them “the Left” isn’t name-calling? On a progressive website? Puhleeze!
am not a Centrist….maybe a Demopublican that is becoming a Republicrat…
Eyepatch
“What’s that on the horizon, sir? A demopublican, or a republicrat?”
“Whatever it is son, it’s an abomination of nature, and should be put out of its misery.”
Good luck with getting your candidate elected, Redemopubli — Demorecratlipi — how’s that go again?
So, you’re for abortions - but only for
September 10th, 2006 at 5:11 pmOop, forget the last line! I spilled my drink!
September 10th, 2006 at 5:13 pmI represent the “swing vote” period. And you guys are loosing me the more your foot enters your mouths…rather than consider another Democrat I will look at the Independent if I do not like the Republican candidate…good night, and good luck!
September 10th, 2006 at 5:15 pmI asked, “Has anyone read the arcticle I posted?” Not one of you could say, “Yes, no or maybe.” Sad group of spineless people.
Is there nobody here brave enough to say “no” or “yes”? Either confess your inability to consider the truth or read it and point out it’s flaws…I’m telling you…I saw Path and you will all be ashamed of your behaviour here today.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:18 pmWell, I guess then that Lehman thinks it’s OK to show this movie as a way to “get back” at Hollywood and Moore.
Pathetic
September 10th, 2006 at 5:23 pm99 - swing voter
swing voters are the ones that are too fooking stupid to make up their mind all the way up until election day. They shouldn’t even get to vote because they’re too fooking dumb and indicisive.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmWell then I guess that everyone here doesn’t want to talk about reading anything that might enlighten them a bit…ie.., things that are in Path which show Bush in a bad light…
Everyone, everywhere has the right to vote…I just don’t vote based upon a certain party blindly…or should I say easily. Expressing my vote takes work…research…listening to all sides…weighing facts…not just blindly following a party.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:40 pmComrades Bravo!
These traitors at ABC are betrayers of our new mother land. Where I come from, this Robert A. Iger would be dragged through the streets in front of the tomb of our glorious leader Vladimir Lenin and shot in public. The producers, directors, writers and anyone associated with this propaganda would be picked up in the early hours of the morning by our State Security Chief Lavrenty Beria (The Black Hand) and taken to a Siberian labor camp never too be heard from again.
For many years I have been loyal to ABC and the Pravda (truth) that our Socialist Liberal ally has put forth in order to progress our ultimate goal; the decline and absolute destruction of America and the capitalist traitorous pig’s like ABC.
I ask you Mr. Robert A. Iger, “Have you no shame Sir�
Comrades, we must not give up the fight. It has taken us many years to groom you and your elected leaders.
Remember what our great leader Nikita Khrushchev said:
“ We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism ”
It’s more important now then ever before that we stand together and stay focused! We can not allow this abomination of propaganda to go forward.
We must do whatever it takes to keep this film from airing on Sunday the 10th, 2006, we only have a few hours left.
It is your duty as loyal Liberal Socialist Democrats to rise up in solidarity and put a stop to this immediately!
Senator Harry Reid, one of our courageous and distinguished Senatorial leaders from the state of Nevada, reminded the capitalist traitorous pigs at ABC of their license from the FCC. Please Senator Reid, we’re your loyal comrades in arms and begging you to use all the glorious power you possess. You must stop this film! You must push forward with an iron fist and crush this despicable display of propaganda.
If this film isn’t stopped from airing on ABC, Sunday night, I’m afraid all our efforts since the cold war and the aspirations of our great leaders from glorious years past and Nikita Khrushchev’s dreams and predictions will have been lost.
If we loose now, the great Liberal Socialist Democratic Party, we have nurtured, will decline into the ash heaps of history never too be heard from again.
You must!…. I repeat, you must contact our comrades in arms at their offices in Washington.
Now I’ve done all the work all you have to do is contact our comrades below by e-mail or call:
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That statement MIGHT make perfect sense, if Michael Moore’s film was ever given network airtime. It wasn’t. With this in mind, maybe we should be not only pressing ABC for accuracy in their films, but should also be demanding that they air “Fahrenheit 9/11″ be aired as well. Maybe Mr. Moore could update it just for the occassion?
September 10th, 2006 at 5:46 pmI completely agree…please air Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11…I have seen that and think it would be a good show for the nation to see!
I trust in the American public to make up their own minds…
September 10th, 2006 at 5:56 pmAIR FAHRENHEIT 9/11 TO THE MAIN STREAM PUBLIC OF THIS COUNTRY!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 6:03 pmCAST’S ON-SET TURMOIL REVEALED
New York Post
Meanwhile, sources on the set told The Post that during filming there were arguments over the veracity of the content.
That legitimacy problem, they said, was exacerbated by the fact that no experts were on hand to get things straight.
When Oscar nominee Harvey Keitel signed on to play Deputy FBI Director John O’Neill, who perished in the World Trade Center attacks, he thought the film’s aim was to be historically correct, he said.
“It turned out not all the facts were correct,” which led to “arguments,” he said on CNN.
Virtually from Day 1 of shooting, “Keitel put his own researcher on the case,” looking to correct historical, character and other inaccuracies he found in the script, said John Dondertman, a production designer on the film.
That led to Keitel rewriting most of his own lines - which in turn meant almost daily revisions for cast members who had scenes with him.
A particular point of contention was a scene in which O’Neill, observing reams of Arabic documents, asks his assistant, “Do we have Arab translators?” only to be told, “I don’t know of any. I’ll call around.”
“Keitel couldn’t understand why the FBI didn’t have Arabic translators, so the dialogue was changed on the spot,” said a script supervisor.
On one occasion, Keitel holed up in his hotel for an entire day with director David Cunningham revising the script.
Other times, Cunningham would “fumble through the 9/11 Commission book trying to figure out how to correct details Keitel called into question,” said the script supervisor.
Other actors, says David Smukler, a dialogue coach on the film, took to watching archival news clips of their characters for inspiration when unable to consult with the real thing.
Some attempted to interview the people they were portraying but were rebuffed.
When production got under way in Toronto, the script by Cyrus Nowrasteh was titled “The Untitled History Project.”
That was partly to prevent details from leaking out to the White House and its former occupants.
The network hired 9/11 Commission chairman and former Republican New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean as the project’s senior consultant.
“Kean was never on the set,” said Greg Chown, an art director on the film. “The only adviser I worked with was a former CIA guy, who ensured that all the graphics and documents we used were accurate.”
Another staffer, who spoke confidentially, said the only adviser she recalls is retired FBI agent Terry Carney.
“He’d never been on a set before and seemed flummoxed at times. He had no say in the script; he was hired to make sure people held their guns correctly and such.”
Production documents issued to staffers make no mention of Kean, although an ABC spokeswoman said he visited the set “at least once.”
William Sadler, who plays FBI agent Neil Herman, tried to contact Herman for insight. “Herman said he wanted nothing to do with the film,” said an associate of the actor.
September 10th, 2006 at 6:04 pmAND YOUR POINT IS?
September 10th, 2006 at 6:10 pmI guess Michelle didn’t have their on POV…so where were we?
September 10th, 2006 at 6:42 pmMichelle,
Thanks for that. Very interesting.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:08 pmAnd this guy was a 9/11 commissioner.
Lehman’s comment injects serious doubt about the whole 9/11 Commission.
Instead of talking about artistic license, he ought to be talking about the “public trust”. But that would be quaint from a commissioner.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:10 pmrather than consider another Democrat I will look at the Independent if I do not like the Republican candidate…good night, and good luck!
Comment by EyeSawPath —
You do that. It will make victory more clearly defined if wishy-washy fencesitters stay home, and give the dems a clear mandate to investigate and prosecute. Then you can’t come back after the election and say “but you wouldn’t have done it without us fencesitters,” and give cover to Dinos like Lieberman. So please stay home - or waste it on a rubberstamp republican or an “independent.” We don’t really need you - have you seen the polls?
September 10th, 2006 at 7:50 pmAnd why would anyone read Bozell - unless they want to be spun? Let’s see how many made up scenes put words in Bush’s mouth, compared to Clinton.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:55 pmABC should broadcast the docu-drama on the times leading up to September 1, 2001!!
If in fact ABC allows the political bullies to censor the program as it was originally planned to go to Air; that will be the first day of the end of American Free Press as we have come to know it!
Truly a sad day for America’s type, electronic and internet press.
Don’t let this censorship happen, Americans will come to your aid and take your side have courage!
Just air it, let Americans make up their own minds
September 10th, 2006 at 8:09 pmSo the date I entered on the previous post was a typo I intended to say September11,2001
September 10th, 2006 at 8:20 pmYou’re right BARFLY
You do that. It will make victory more clearly defined if wishy-washy fencesitters stay home, and give the dems a clear mandate to investigate and prosecute. Then you can’t come back after the election and say “but you wouldn’t have done it without us fencesitters,†and give cover to Dinos like Lieberman. So please stay home - or waste it on a rubberstamp republican or an “independent.†We don’t really need you - have you seen the polls?
I WILL JUST VOTE REPUBLICAN FROM HERE ON OUT…THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:30 pm2 HOURS AND COUNTING!!! TO FREEDOME REIGNING IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF OURS!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:37 pmSo why didn’t the GOP put up with seeing the Reagan docudrama? Huh huh?
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A few years ago–in 2003 to be exact–CBS was set to air a made-for-television movie entitled The Reagans. The movie was a docu-drama chronicling the life of former president Ronald Reagan and his wife Nancy. It had a big name cast and a relatively high production value for a made-for-television project (it cost $16 million to produce and was ordered up specifically for sweeps week).
But before the scheduled broadcast date, a clamor grew among right-wing circles that the film was not sufficiently hagiographical. Apparently “The 20th Century’s Greatest President” was portrayed in a less than flattering light in a few scenes. This led to a media storm of protest by right-leaning bloggers and commentators, none of whom had actually seen the movie, but all of whom denounced it as a left-wing smear job and demanded that CBS cancel it. Even the RNC got involved. Under pressure, CBS caved and cancelled its scheduled broadcast.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:40 pm==
Hypocrites R the GOP
The GOP is now officially the OCH
Organized Conservative Hypocrisy strikes again!
A GREAT FOLLOW UP TO THIS WILL BE MOORE’S FAHRENHEIT 9/11!!! WHAT SAY YOU GUYS? NEXT SUNDAY…SAME TIME…SAME PLACE?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:40 pmYEP…I AGREE CBS SHOULD HAVE SHOWN THE REAGAN SHOW….NOT SURE WHY THEY CAVED…IF THE GOP WAS THE CAUSE…THEY ARE WHIMPS!!!
LONG LIVE FREEDOM IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:41 pmI WILL JUST VOTE REPUBLICAN FROM HERE ON OUT…THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT!
Comment by EyeSawPath
As if you weren’t doing that already…
September 10th, 2006 at 8:42 pm#122 - SINCE WHEN WAS CLINTON A REPUBLICAN?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:43 pm2 HOURS AND COUNTING!!! TO FREEDOME REIGNING IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF OURS!!!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Are you really that Blind?
Prescott Bush would demonstrate strong loyalty to the firm he joined in 1926. And the bank, with the scope and power of many ordinary nations, could amply reward its agents. George Bush’s Grandfather Walker had put the enterprise together, quietly, secretly, using all the international connections at his disposal. Let us briefly look back at the beginning of the Harriman firm–the Bush family enterprise–and follow its course into one of history’s darkest projects.
The firm’s first global lever was its successful arrangement to get into Germany by dominating that country’s shipping. Averell Harriman announced in 1920 that he would re-start Germany’s Hamburg- Amerika Line, after many months of scheming and arm-twisting. Hamburg-Amerika’s commercial steamships had been confiscated by the United States at the end of the First World War. These ships had then become the property of the Harriman enterprise, by some arrangements with the U.S. authorities that were never made public.
The deal was breathtaking; it would create the world’s largest private shipping line. Hamburg-Amerika Line regained its confiscated vessels, for a heavy price. The Harriman enterprise took “the right to participate in 50 percent of all business originated in Hamburg” ; and for the next twenty years (1920-1940), the Harriman enterprise had “complete control of all activities of the Hamburg line in the United States.” @s1@s7
Harriman became co-owner of Hamburg-Amerika. The Harriman-Walker firm gained a tight hold on its management, with the not-so-subtle backing of the post-World War I occupation of Germany by the armies of England and America.
Just after Harriman’s public statement, the St. Louis press celebrated Bert Walker’s role in assembling the money to consummate the deal:
“Ex-St. Louisan Forms Giant Ship Merger”
“G. H. Walker is Moving Power Behind Harriman-Morton Shipping Combine….”
The story celebrated a “merger of two big financial houses in New York, which will place practically unlimited capital at the disposal of the new American-German shipping combine….” @s1@s8
Bert Walker had arranged a “marriage” of J.P. Morgan credit and Harriman family inherited wealth.
W.A. Harriman & Co., of which Walker was president and founder, was merging with the Morton & Co. private bank–and Walker was “[p]rominent in the affairs of Morton & Co.,” which was interlocked with the Morgan-controlled Guaranty Trust Co.
The Hamburg-Amerika takeover created an effective instrument for the manipulation and fatal subversion of Germany. One of the great “merchants of death,” Samuel Pryor, was in it from the beginning. Pryor, then chairman of the executive committee of Remington Arms, helped arrange the deal and served with Walker on the board of Harriman’s shipping front organization, the American Ship and Commerce Co.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:43 pmGETTING OUT THE POPCORN…
September 10th, 2006 at 8:45 pmMELTING THE BUTTER….
September 10th, 2006 at 8:45 pmAnyone want to join me for a bit of freedom and thinking while enjoying a good show?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:47 pm2 HOURS AND COUNTING!!! TO FREEDOME REIGNING IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF OURS!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:48 pmComment by EyeSawPath
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Youre a Fascist supporter I my eyes, Eyesawpath, and you should keep voting for the fascists, it’s the perfect place for such haters as yourself. Decry Freedom while supporting the war mongers, yeh you SEE alright. See nothing.
Bert’s {walker} son-in-law Prescott Bush was later secretary of the U.S. Golf Association, during the grave political and economic crises of the early 1930s. Prescott became USGA President in 1935, while he was otherwise embroiled in the family firm’s work with Nazi Germany.
Here is the sad bottom line for the Dems now…
Your most powerful player “demanded” that ABC not show The Path to 9/11 - they did not listen…they have heard all of your whining and complaining…they are still going to show it…
Can anyone say, IRRELEVENT PARTY?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:50 pmAnyone want to join me for a bit of freedom and thinking while enjoying a good show?
Comment by EyeSawPath
September 10th, 2006 at 8:50 pm==
Your type of ‘Freedom’ got many people killed in WWII because you right wingers supported a racist christian fanatic holocaustic creep..wake up doofus eye saw nothing.
And the Dick Dastardlys are a great representation of that irrelevence…quite the spokesman you guys have there!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:52 pmYour most powerful player “demanded†that CBS not show The The Reagans - they did not listen…they have heard all of your whining and complaining…they are still going to show it…
Can anyone say, Fascist Wackos Hitler Appeaser?
Besides they still showed The Reagans on showtime for all your whining and caterwauling, so much for your ‘power’ Hitler lover.
No go get your oxycontin from Rush and get all f__ked up and go watch the Movie and then maybe it will make sense to your demented mind.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:53 pmGuys I’m out of here…dastardly isn’t one of you or me…so I think this thread is dead!!!
Enjoy the show!!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:54 pmAnd the Dick Dastardlys are a great representation of that irrelevence…quite the spokesman you guys have there!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Oh it’s been proven time and again the Bushies supported Hitler.
Represent this.. _||_
September 10th, 2006 at 8:55 pmGuys I’m out of here…dastardly isn’t one of you or me…so I think this thread is dead!!!
Enjoy the show!!!!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Go paint some swastikas on your wall wacko..
September 10th, 2006 at 8:55 pmThats how you run off an idiot Bush Hitler lover supporter and appeaser =^]
September 10th, 2006 at 8:56 pmSINCE WHEN WAS CLINTON A REPUBLICAN?
Comment by EyeSawPath\
Yeah, yeah, you voted for every winning president since the beginning of time. You’re a Democrat — No! — You’re a Republican — No! — You’re an Independent.
Like I said before, you’ve got all the bases covered, but you’re committed to none of them.
Stop shouting you lame brain.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:57 pmI WILL JUST VOTE REPUBLICAN FROM HERE ON OUT…THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Good, then we will know who to blame.
Someone’s gone all caps - the first sign of a losing argument.
Your fake centrism is on display. No, we don’t need bedwetting fence sitters like you - so bon voyage, til November.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:58 pm#
GETTING OUT THE POPCORN…
Comment by EyeSawPath — September 10, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
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MELTING THE BUTTER….
Comment by EyeSawPath
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Kicking your Ass!! -DD
September 10th, 2006 at 8:58 pmTr