9/11 Commissioner Lehman On Path to 9/11: ‘If You Don’t Like The Hits On the Clinton Administration, Welcome to the Club’
9/11 Commissioner Lehman On Path to 9/11: ‘If You Don’t Like The Hits On the Clinton Administration, Welcome to the Club’
Today on ABC, former 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman (R) defended Path to 9/11. Lehman said, “if you don’t like the hits to the Clinton administration, well, welcome to the club.” According to Lehman, any defamatory material is acceptable because conservatives “have lived with Michael Moore” and “most of Hollywood.” Watch it:
Transcript:
LEHMAN: I think that it certainly should go forward. I’m told it’s equally harsh against the Bush administration, in fact, both Bush administrations and even back to Reagan for not retaliating against early strikes, so absolutely it should go forward, and if you don’t like the hits to the Clinton administration, well, welcome to the club. Republicans have lived with Michael Moore and Oliver Stone and most of Hollywood as a fact of life.
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Moore’s movie was not fiction.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:38 amExcept Disney wouldn’t distribute Michael Moore’s film and ABC is showing this canard in Primetime.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:40 amHit him back. But make sure you hit him hard right off the bat.
This bad flaw in all these progressive responses persists. It is not enough to simply play defense. It is not enough to simply defend the Clinton administration and point out all they did and said. It is not enough to logically lay out the facts in defense of the truth.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:40 amDon’t get me wrong, by all means do so, however IT MUST ALWAYS COME AFTER YOU KICK YOUR OPPONENT IN THE TEETH. Yes, fine defend Clinton. You should do that, you need to do that, you will do that. His administration deserves that. But first pick any one of the following bombs and right off the bat shove it down their throat.
Another low bred, knuckle dragging, bare foot, barn burning, pig abuser in a suit…
September 10th, 2006 at 9:41 am#1 ….EXACTLY. God help the American people. We are under attack…..by our own government
September 10th, 2006 at 9:44 amIt amazes me how the GOP has given such influence to Hollywood, Micheal Moore and the Dixie Chicks. You would think that with control of the White House and both houses of congress the GOP would have more than blaming Clinton and the Dixie Chicks for the GOP’s failed leadership. This is just another big hint that the GOP has nothing to offer voters in November.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:47 amSo this is the upright, and respectabel John Lehman who was supposed to be a fair aribter in the 9/11 commission. Now we see he is a Limp-baugh like partisan hack instead.
Way to go douchebag.
-GSD
September 10th, 2006 at 9:50 am“(Note last part of number two. It may not be true. In fact, I don’t think it is. But if you get it out there, it’s out there. And we would be happy to spend as much time as they like talking about exactly what murderous, hyper-religious, Muslim armies Reagan did fund and arm and train. See how that works? Now you have them playing defense).
Comment by new guy — September 10, 2006 @ 9:40 am ”
new guy, while I don’t disagree with your sentiment, I think we should be taking the higher ground. There are PLENTY of FACTS to use for putting religious right wingnuts in their place. Just use them instead. They tend to squirm more when you do that, and that leads them to make even bigger fools of themselves.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:51 amhey new guy,
I have been preaching that for a long time. Movies like PT911 are made because the Democrats and the DLC allow it. They go on FOX like schmucks and they sit on their hands when they should have been aggressively informing Americans about Bush crimes.
Other than Lieberman, top Democrats aren’t at risk of losing their jobs so they will not rock the boat. That’s the way it’s been since 2000.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:53 amWeird….. part of newguys previous post is missing!
September 10th, 2006 at 9:54 amMichael Moore’s movie was accurate. This one won’t be.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:07 am“He did it first”…. How third grade.
Yeah, he did do it first, but he did it with truth and facts to discover what was going on – it was not done as a vendetta or intentional lie.
The Bush Crime Family does have a history of relationships with the Saudi Arabian oil family that is related to Osama bin Laden. It’s teh truth, unlike this docu-lie. If that hurts neocons, then do your own homework next time on which hand-puppet you’re choosing to be your spokesman. Huh…
September 10th, 2006 at 10:09 amBush let Osama go at Tora Bora.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:11 amMaybe if Repubicans hadn’t gone to war under false pretenses and lied to the American people, Michael Moore would not have felt compelled to make a movie about the whole Iraq fiasco that is killing people even as we speak.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:14 amMichel Moore attacked Bush for his lies , incompetence andhis goring to a war or choice . Lehman is part of the right wing cabal who wants to establish an authocratic ,aristocratic society in the USA to away with the constitution , return to the days of exploitation of the masses .
September 10th, 2006 at 10:16 amI say bring back Robespiere .
From disillusioned Republican Andrew Sullivan:
Next week, I’m informed via troubled White House sources, will see the full unveiling of Karl Rove’s fall election strategy. He’s intending to line up 9/11 families to accuse McCain, Warner and Graham of delaying justice for the perpetrators of that atrocity, because they want to uphold the ancient judicial traditions of the U.S. military and abide by the Constitution. He will use the families as an argument for legalizing torture, setting up kangaroo courts for military prisoners, and giving war crime impunity for his own aides and cronies. This is his “Hail Mary” move for November; it’s brutally exploitative of 9/11; it’s pure partisanship; and it’s designed to enable an untrammeled executive. Decent Republicans, Independents and Democrats must do all they can to expose and resist this latest descent into political thuggery. If you need proof that this administration’s first priority is not a humane and effective counter-terror strategy, but a brutal, exploitative path to retaining power at any price, you just got it.
-GSD
September 10th, 2006 at 10:17 amI wonder what movie Micheal Moore is making. Did he make a movie about how America went to war with the wrong country?.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:19 amThe Conservative Voice just put out two opinion pieces. One says Path to 9/11 is “just a movie” and everyone knows it is a work of fiction. The second says it is enlightening and factual. That’s about as good an example of talking out of both sides of your mouth as I can think of.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:23 amMichael Moore is completing his next film. It’s called ‘Sicko’, and it’s about health care (or rather lack thereof) in this country. I’m guessing the neocons won’t like it either – it’s filled with facts and a lot of poor people who can’t get medical care….
(He talks about it on his website)
September 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amHas anone heard of the feedback from places like Australia and New Zealand?
I checked the online version of the Brisbane paper, and I didn’t see anything. The Sydney paper’s review talked more about the acting.
Am I looking in the wrong places, or is this being ignored for the most part?
September 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amThe big difference between the Moore film and this film is that Moore’s film was never, ever going to be broadcast, commercial free, on network television around 9/11 (or November 2, 2004, for that matter).
If this film were going to be on cable, or in movie theaters, it would be a different matter. But the networks use the public airwaves – and hence must be held to a much higher standard.
If ABC wanted to make this film, they needed to bring in a centrist filmmaker, not a friend of Rush – who would steer clear of any interpretation that the Commission did not adopt.
Richard Clarke was the Bush Administration’s point man in the war on terror at the time of 9/11, and yet according to the Vice-President, Clarke was kept “out of the loop” during the period from January through September 2001. What does that single explanation, which I take to be one of Chaney’s few honest assessments, tell you about the seriousness in which the Bush Administration was treating the war on terror?
As a New Yorker, I take ABC’s decision to become an agent in the Right’s propaganda campaign personally. My city was attacked on 9/11, and yet we voted 75%-25% for John Kerry in November 2004. We never bought the Bush Administration’s sorry excuses, and we still don’t today.
I had quite a bit to say on this subject, on the occasion of the 4th Anniversary of 9/11, in a column for the Democracy Cell Project.
http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2005/09/a_bitter_annive.html
September 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amWhat a beautiful example of the difference between today’s right wing and left wing! On the left, facts matter. On the right, only points of view matter, and they’re all legitimate. With that in mind, there really is no difference for those on the right between a film that presented facts but was slanted in that presentation to present a point of view, and a film that makes stuff up out of whole cloth to present a point of view.
Kind of ironic, considering how many years the right criticized the left for “relativism”.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:28 amPresently he’s making a movie called “SICKO” about the health care system and the drug companies.
I would love to see a “Farenheit 911 part TWO.”
The story of American disgrace and failure under incompetent and fanatical leadership continues.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:30 amAmerica used to send our best and brightest to Washington.
Now we get Lehmans.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:37 amHeh, Republicans equate any attack, even if it’s based on fact, as character slander, and therefore feel no compunction about saying ANYTHING to muddy the issue and take the weight of blame off of their collective shoulders.
As previouely mentioned, nobody collected on Moore’s triple-dog-dare to point out factual errors in his movie. Path to 9/11 goes past docudrama into the realm of revisionist history.
If Repulbicans want to blame Clinton for all of society’s ills, FINE, it’s their right as Americans to be shallow and stupid. But when they have to support their anti-Clinton arguments on things that never happened, how exactly does that help to support their argument?
The only “good” thing about Path to 9/11 (and I use the word “good” loosely) is that it proves to all the neocon base that Bush still hasn’t found bin Laden. Blame Clinton all you want, but Bush is in charge now-has been for 6 years, and bin Laden still breathes free air, he’s a hero to perhaps millions of people who we would call terrorists though they would calll themselves defenders of their faith, and therefore righteous in their actions. Know that the hearts and minds of the rest of the world are turned against us like never before, Your boy, Bush, this monkey you foiolishly gave the jeys to the kingdom, is in charge, and you and your children and all our children are less safe as a result. Nice going, jackasses.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:39 am“The big difference between the Moore film and this film is that Moore’s film was never, ever going to be broadcast, commercial free, on network television around 9/11″
exactly. but you forgot to mention that they had a deal with scholastic to distribute materials for classroom discussions on this “path” nonsense.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:45 amLehman’s comparison of the upcoming 9/11 docudrama with the trials and tribulations of the republicans suffered with Moore’s films is an absurdity. We are talking about the tragedy that happened in New York killing thousands and destroying valuable infrastructure. The committee that he served on to reveal the truth and determine accountability and responsibilty for this tragic event was flawed and incompetent from its inception. The co-chair, Tom Keane, is a republican hack and never had the integrity and will to conduct a truthful investigation as verified by his curent task as “advisor” to the film makers at ABC. What a joke. He revealed his true colors on ABC with George Stephenapolous this AM. He is another republican profiteer. Jon Lehman is a dolt.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:49 amAnd, Mr. Lehman, what of honesty and the public trust.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:50 amJust like the Right Wingers…you people think you can shut down this countries freedoms. I find this all VERY funny…really…don’t stop…you’re making me laugh. I doubt this will make the comments, but thought I’d give it a shot anyway…I have seen Path and I can see how President Clinton would be upset. I understand his desire to not have it shown…truly, no kidding here…not because it is false or fictionalized…rather because it shows a very embarrassing portion of his presidency. Maybe the filmmakers should have seen this coming…not sure why they didn’t, but all these people who have NEVER seen it and are commenting make me laugh.
All the threats and innuendoes are ridiculous. If ABC is going to face law suits then let them…they’re a big company…they can handle it. Still you people make me laugh because you are trying to shut down some of the basic tenants of our society. E.g. freedom of speech, journalistic freedoms, oh yes, the democratic process, etc…YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!
The funniest part? Now, this will be the most watched television show of all time! All because you people. “You people?†You ask…you know whom you are, the individuals that get most or all of your talking points from other liberal blogs and boards…like sheep to the slaughter. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of those boards are run by Disney marketing or right-wingers! FUNNY!
Please, don’t stop…I can’t find humor on the Internet like this anywhere. I mean, how funny is it going to be when I sit back with my popcorn and turn on the television tomorrow night and think, “America, what a great place…whine as they might…left or right…they can’t stop us!†America the beautiful. Shoot, I think Disney should have put this thing in theaters, they probably could have beat Pirates of the Caribbean 2 at the boxoffice! LMAO!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:04 amShame on Lehman > the gloves are off > there must be a NEW investigation of what really transpired during 9/11/01, and if the Bush Regime was involved in any way that would be high treason to America!
Michael Moore’s film is a real documentary, based on facts using real documents and video clips of Bush, etc. > plus you had to go watch it at a movie theater, not shown for free on ABC! And it’s only 2 hours in length, not 5 1/2 hours long like the ABC phony docudrama, which has recreated scenes using actors!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:22 amIt occurred to me when I awoke this morning that I finally understand why this topic has enraged me so. There’s plenty to be outraged about with this administration. Iraq, Plame, domestic surveillance, lies, lies, lies. But this one has grabbed me intensely.
It’s the politicization of one of the most awful events in our history. It’s using the memory of 3000 dead for political gain, for partisan point-making. It’s as if “they” think it’s “their” issue. It’s “their” pain. They’ve co-opted the tragedy to make it their own. Lehland says it…lying about 9-11 is payback. Suck it, liberals! How dare they crap on the graves of all those who lost their lives, and all of us who were deeply wounded that day. ALL of us.
And that’s what I hate most of all. That there is no more ALL of us. I fear that we are forever divided, and I no longer recognize my own country.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:22 am#30 Nice job posing as a moderate, little wingnut. Great talk on constitutional freedoms from a syncophant of this administration that has pissed on civil liberties from the begining. Make your popcorn and watch your fantasies unfold on tv. Your stupidity should make me laugh; it would if it wasn’t so unbelievably pathetic.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:33 amTroqua – I hear your pain…but you obviously did not watch Moore’s 9/11, and like Jay Randall you have not seen Path to 9/11 either.
Moore’s Farenheit 9/11 was dealing with 9/11! You know the one where 3,000 people died.
Path only uses (used since it probably had to be censored) news footage of President Clinton…no actors were used in his stead…
People, please jus watch the thing…you will be pissed, but not because of the lack of facts…rather the presence of them.
THE TRUTH HURTS!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:33 amHas anone heard of the feedback from places like Australia and New Zealand?
Comment by trueblue — September 10, 2006 @ 10:26 am
i read this earlier on the FAST thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/09/path-think-fast/#comment-797787
September 10th, 2006 at 11:40 am#33 ESP- Was it in a psychic vision that you viewed and critiqued Path….. It seems you have a connection and insight to the “truth” that no one else seems to have access to. Does the truth hurt ESP?
September 10th, 2006 at 11:49 amWell suprise, suprise! Another Repbulican 9/11 Commissioner who places partisanship above the truth when it comes to the depiction of our greatest national tragedy. It’s a wonder the 9/11 Commission finished their report without simiply praising Bush for his valor and wisdom.
I’m so tired of the indignant analysis about what we already knew was true. The Republicans will consistently stoop to unimaginable depths to keep the Democrats out of power. This mocudrama is a minor demonstration of what they’ll do when compared to their invasion of Iraq. How much more proof do we need ?
The question is simple: What are we going to do now? How much more motivation do we need? How can we best make ABC, Disney and the repugnant lot pay for this? The simple answer is to vote Democratic. Get your friends, family and colleagues at work to vote Democrat. Talk to them now. Drive together when you vote. Give money to the DCC. Spend time working for your local Democaratic House and Senatorial candidates, gubernatorial candidates, State House and Senate candidates, even city council Democratic candidates. Voice your discontent in your local papers when you see lies being propogated by the media. And then, when we’ve made that necessary change, push for a reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine so this type of partisan trash-along withLimbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly–are forever removed from the public airwaves. Put them on Serius with Howard but keep them off the air! Let the square heads pay for their hate but keep it off the air.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:54 amI will not watch this program nor will anyone in my household. As was stated earlier, there has yet to be one, NOT ONE, lie from F911. However, even conservatives are saying ABC has gotted this wrong. If you want to tell a story, tell the TRUTH. 911 was bad enough with the facts, they did not need to make up blatent lies to further their agenda.
I am tired of these idiots comparing F911 to this movie being shown tonight. F911 was not shown on public airwaves. F911 did not use actors. Moore never tried to hide his political leanings like the hacks who put together this movie. People knew going into F911 what the agenda was. These hacks are saying they have based this on the 911 commission report and when called on their lies admitted to distorting the facts.
Republicans have indeed become the repulsive party!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:58 amWhat We Do Now
September 10th, 2006 at 12:02 pm…
We must take the energy and awareness created over the last week and funnel it into meaningful ways of taking back control of OUR media. [for one…] Yes, we must organize boycotts of Disney and ABC, and keep up the pressure. We must demand that ABC give equal time to critics of “Path to 9/11.†We can propose programming with historians and investigators, and those who were there as a counter-balance in the coming weeks. We must push ABC News to bring a balanced account of the controversy over their network’s Path to Shame (h/t LATimes). We must do all of these things, but more importantly, we must step back and look at the big picture concerning the need for reform of our whorish corporate media.
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http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/09/what-we-do-now/#more-4410
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Post 33 EyeSawPath > the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama has NOT been broadcast yet in the United States, so I could not have seen it even if I wanted to, which by the way I will NOT watch because it’s 100% fiction! I do NOT watch GOP funded propaganda that smears Democrats to obsolve Bush from ineptitude and malfeasance regarding his actions during 9-11-01!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:02 pmStone has never claimed his films are historical – the public has always known they were Stone’s own version.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:09 pmMoore has been more polemic in his films, but in Fahrenheit 9/11, he has offered a monetary reward for anyone who can find a lie in it.
Lehmen is disingenuous; if he believes that Stone and Moore are so wrong for America, then why does not he condemn this film?
ABC/Disney have a deal with persons having an agenda against the Clinton administration, and supportive of Bush & Co. They are presenting this on free public airwaves, network TV, and it is promoted as a based-on-fact docudrama which the public will more easily absorb than the official 9ll Commission report.
This is insidious propaganda and Lehman is applying a double standard.
I am probably one of very few here who have seen both Farenheit & Path…no brag, just fact. And, I will probably be one of the only ones that can still say that next Tuesday…since most of you lefties won’t watch Path & most of you righties refuse to watch Farenheit.
OSTRICH vs OSTRICH
September 10th, 2006 at 12:10 pmJAY RANDAL (#39)
You’re showing your OSTRICH and your ignorance all in one little post…effecient use of your keyboard…
“…so I could not have seen it even if I wanted to, which by the way I will NOT watch because it’s 100% fiction!”
September 10th, 2006 at 12:13 pmPost 41 EyeSawPath > if you in fact have seen the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama, then that means you are a paid GOP agent on here! I do NOT watch contrived GOP funded propaganda, so denegrate me and others on here all you like > I will NOT watch the damn thing, nor should anybody else!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:17 pmThere is no reason to boycott watching the movie – Disney is running it without commercials. They spent $40 MILLION on a propaganda piece for NO MONETARY RETURN.
So go ahead and watch it. Fact check it.
Then demand your local affiliates to air exposes of the untruths they aired in their newscasts and in public service announcements at their own expense. Other wise they will regret the public comments that will come at license renewal time. And their local advertisers will regret the ill will they acquire by advertising on a station that willingly airs lies.
Document every lie and MAKE the local affiliates PAY for publicly correcting them. Or make them PAY by boycotting their advertisers.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:18 pmEyeSawPath > we know who you work for so cut the crap! Go peddle your support of the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama elsewhere please! Ignorance is watching propaganda!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pmtruth of no cencern to republicans, its the hits – truth or lie – that count. Republicans are all about partisan hackery.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pm.
Disney’s first mistake is to have called this Path 10 9/11. It should be Fantasia’s journey to 9/11 and the second mistake is they call it a documentary, which it’s more like a fakeumentary. Hat’s off to Disney for achieving a new technological advancement and making a LIVE animation.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pmI, like you Jay Randal am just concerned American citizen…I don’t want you to watch for any other reason than that…know the truth and it will know you!
#44 – oh, contrare…ABC/Disney is going to make a ton of money on this thing…the rest of the world is going to purchase the rights for a many # a toll.
Thanks to all of the OSTRICHS!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:23 pmReally nice to see how balanced so many are here. Extremism can definitely come from the left as much as from the right. Both are childish footstomping.
Noone seems to think we need an opportunity to think about how we let this go on for years with no reaction, irrespective of parties or presidents (they were all guilty)… just as we did before the civil war, WWI & WWII… what makes us as a people incapable of seeing danger before we get hit in the face?
Are we all so involved with violent left or right language & the leaning of the Congress that we can’t see what infighting and nonaction or fear thereof can/has cost us?
September 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI wish I worked for Disney…I hear they pay fairly well.
Oh, one more time for the fun of it:
Just like the Right Wingers…you people think you can shut down this countries freedoms. I find this all VERY funny…really…don’t stop…you’re making me laugh. I doubt this will make the comments, but thought I’d give it a shot anyway…I have seen Path and I can see how President Clinton would be upset. I understand his desire to not have it shown…truly, no kidding here…not because it is false or fictionalized…rather because it shows a very embarrassing portion of his presidency. Maybe the filmmakers should have seen this coming…not sure why they didn’t, but all these people who have NEVER seen it and are commenting make me laugh.
All the threats and innuendoes are ridiculous. If ABC is going to face law suits then let them…they’re a big company…they can handle it. Still you people make me laugh because you are trying to shut down some of the basic tenants of our society. E.g. freedom of speech, journalistic freedoms, oh yes, the democratic process, etc…YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!
The funniest part? Now, this will be the most watched television show of all time! All because you people. “You people?†You ask…you know whom you are, the individuals that get most or all of your talking points from other liberal blogs and boards…like sheep to the slaughter. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of those boards are run by Disney marketing or right-wingers! FUNNY!
Please, don’t stop…I can’t find humor on the Internet like this anywhere. I mean, how funny is it going to be when I sit back with my popcorn and turn on the television TONIGHT and think, “America, what a great place…whine as they might…left or right…they can’t stop us!†America the beautiful. Shoot, I think Disney should have put this thing in theaters, they probably could have beat Pirates of the Caribbean 2 at the boxoffice! LMAO!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pmTo EyeSawPath: you’re right. We do have something in this country called, “freedom of speech.” But we also have rules on that freedom. I can’t use my freedom of speech to knowingly and/or harmfully deceive someone. And that’s why so many of us are against this movie. If they wanted to advertise it as a drama detailing what events could have happened that lead to 9/11, and show it on a non-public broadcasting station, that’d be fine. It’s their right. But airing this with the caption “Based on the 9/11 Commission Report” when entire sections of the movie contradict the 911CR….that’s being deceitful. Having these errors pointed out to them, many months in advance, and resisting changing them, speaks even more to a willful attempt to deceive.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:34 pmI can’t yell “Bomb!” in a crowded airport, and ABC shouldn’t be allowed to claim Bill Clinton let Osama Bin Laden go free.
Nothing in Fahrenheit 9/11 was contradicted by the 9/11 Commission Report.
Bad analogy.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmPost 50 confirms who EyeSawPath works for > he is paid to promote the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama on TP threads! Do NOT watch the ABC flick tonight, nor tomorrow night either!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmMoore never claimed any of his movies was based on a major bipartisan investigation.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:47 pmHey, there’s a new Simpsons on tonight! Go FOX!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:49 pmABC and Disney must be boycotted by every decent American! Do NOT buy any Disney products! Do NOT visit Disney theme parks in Florida or California! Do NOT watch anything on ABC ever! Ask your cable provider to remove the Disney channel from your station lineup! Do NOT pay to watch Disney flicks at theaters! If you own Disney stock, then sell it now!
ABC and Disney must be forced into bankruptcy for foisting propaganda onto our children to help the vile Bush Regime and the corrupt GOP!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:55 pmCommr Lehman has indirect implied that the 911 report is biased. If he beleieves that there should be hits back then he has been biased all along. We need a new congress who has the balls and is willing to acurately investigate 911.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:05 pmLehamn reminds me of the the little runt on the schoolyard, defending his bully friend, simply so he won’t be the next victim.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:09 pmThe difference, of course, being that in order to slam the Bush administration, all Michael Moore had to do was turn on the videocamera. For this slam to take place, actors had to be hired, screenplays had to be written, characters had to be composited and timelines had to be collapsed. But then again, this is a bunch for which reality is a nuisance, not a yardstick.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:30 pmyou all are kool aid drinkers…… slick willy FAILED
September 10th, 2006 at 1:41 pmThis man is a Fascist.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:50 pmI don’t believe this brazenly mendacious propaganda piece is going to do anything but show Bush Republicans to be the desperately unprincipled self-seekers the majority of Americans already believe they are. As far as the mid-term elections are concerned, this transparent creation of lies and denial of facts will motivate and mobilize Democrats, soft Republicans and Independents to vote Democratic in even greater numbers. The key to winning the mid-term elections is voter turnout. This movie’s purposefully treacherous rewriting of the historical facts leading up to 9/11 will cause principled Americans to vote for change. It will provide Democrats a “recent†tangible action they can point to that associates Republican candidates to Bush’s failures leading up to 9/11 by pointing out its malicious intent and calculated deceit. The deliberate and dishonorable use of a national tragedy that all Americans still remember and mourn, as partisan propaganda is a depravity Bush Republicans can’t deny. They have provided Democrats the means to defeat them. The truth.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:54 pmABC and Disney Must Be Boycotted!
Sunday 10th of September 2006
by Jay Randal
Since ABC and Disney Corp. have refused to cancel the phony docu-drama on 9/11/01 terrorist attack, so they must be punished by boycotting all their services!
Do NOT watch any programs on ABC! Do NOT buy any Disney products! Do NOT visit any Disney theme parks in Florida and California! Do NOT pay to view any Disney movies at home, nor at any movie theaters!
ABC and Disney Corp. must be economically forced into bankruptcy for foisting GOP funded propaganda down the throats of our children to help Bush Regime!
Every decent American citizen must take part in the boycott until ABC and Disney Corp. are completely ruined financially, and punished for their dire actions in promoting falsehoods & violating common decency!
Also, the Congress must investigate the funding of the phony docu-drama to find out if any violations of law occurred, and to expose all the individuals involved too!
There is a GOP conspiracy to blame Democrats for 9/11/01!
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.)
PS: Do NOT watch the ABC/Disney phony docu-drama > PERIOD.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:14 pmFunny thing about the left. They have no problem with other people getting smeared and will gladly join in on the smearing, but let someone dare suggest thtey are as dirty as they claim the other guy is and they just can’t take it… like a 5 yo kid.
It must really kill you guys to have Hollywood and most of the MSM with you and STILL people see you for what you are. A bunch of self centered, whiney, frustrated freaks.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:17 pmxxx
Comment by Dan Sperry — September 10, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
I like pie.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:21 pmComment by Dan Sperry — September 10, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Yawn. Boring. No points for you, Mr. Sperry.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:23 pmA bunch of self centered, whiney, frustrated freaks.
Comment by Dan Sperry
A bunch — Yes, we are a bunch.
Self centered — Yes, sometimes, because we’re so damned cute.
Whiney — No, sorry, but you righties have the market cornered on that one.
Frustrated freaks — That really depends on one’s definition of “frustrated freak.” I could claim that one, because franky, it’s been a while, but I can’t speak for the others.
Anything else, Dan?
September 10th, 2006 at 2:25 pmLETS FIND A WAY TO GET THIS GUY AND EVERYONE THAT PERPITRATES LIES UPON THE PUBLIC
September 10th, 2006 at 2:25 pmIt’s like kicking over an ant hill. You guys are too funny. Especially the one that wants to “get” me. HooHaw!
September 10th, 2006 at 2:45 pmWow, so many kooks out there. Could someone please reveal to me just whom Bush’s ’secret police’ whisked away in the middle of the night? What’s that? There was no one? Oh. Well, how about the location of the ‘re-education camps’ he set up, where are they? What? They don’t exist? Well I was told Bush was a dictator, Rove was setting up kangaroo courts to imprison people falsely accused of crimes, the draft would begin again in Dec. 2004, we went to war to steal oil and you mean the left LIED about all this? Wow! I guess I was a fool to believe the left. So would be you.
D
September 10th, 2006 at 2:50 pmDavid G,
A threatening letter has just arrived at White House over your name, address and social security number — you’ll find out about all of the above items in due course.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:54 pmOh yeah. Please stay away from Disney. It would be great if it wasn’t so crowded and everyone there was a Republican. No more whining!
D
September 10th, 2006 at 2:56 pmHad you guys just not watched it…like you are entitled to…the freedom to watch is also the emplied freedom not to…then maybe fifteen or twenty millioin would have seen this mini-series. Now, the numbers will probably be over fifty million! And, the worse part is that you still will not have seen it…thinking somehow that your not watching it hurts the network, but your making a loud noise about the airing of it will not???
Here is the best part…once those extra 20-30 million watch it they are going to be saying, “What the hell are the liberals talkinig about. There is no actor playing Clinton…all this happened!”
Ever heard the phrase, “Loose, loose”? That is what will happen for the Dems on Tuesday morning…
Moral of the story…measure twice, cut once…or check your facts before you go screaming, “The sky is falling…the sky is falling!”
ESP
September 10th, 2006 at 2:58 pmThis man should have his name removed from the 9/11 Commission Report.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:58 pmDavidG,
GREAT POINT…LESS PEOPLE AT DISNEY LAND – YEAH!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 3:01 pm>This man should have his name removed from the 9/11 Commission >Report.
Can’t have people wandering off the Left’’s talking points now can we.
As the Left says “Free speech for me, but not for thee.”
September 10th, 2006 at 3:04 pmGot a typical attack from ‘the left’ just for speaking my mind. How open minded.
D
September 10th, 2006 at 3:10 pmDon’t forget, it’s just a movie. It’s not a phony ‘documentary’ like Moore or Stone would make.
D
September 10th, 2006 at 3:13 pmI voted three times for the Bushes…and both times for Clinton…would have given him a third one if allowed by the powers that be.
I do not work for anyone on the right or the left…probably never will…love what I do too much. I just happened to get invited to a screening of Path to 9/11. Thought it was a very moving production.
Walked out after the screening and chatted with my democrat buddy. We agreed that night one was a clear statement that the Republicans will be ashamed of their attacking our Commander in Chief (President Clinton) with partisan politics while he was trying to deal with foreign terrorist threats. Maybe just mine and my buddies take on it…but we sure were not thinking all this mess would come from it.
Once some level headed individuals watch it and comment I will reconsider my impression of Path.
esp
P.S. Now, for certain, I will not vote a third time for Clinton. Too turned off by all of this mess.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThat there are American citizens who call themselves patriots who believe it is justified to lie and distort the facts concerning the truthful historical events that lead up to the 9/11 tragedy we still remember and mourn, and that it is morally compatible with their perverted values to deliberately deceive and confuse school children with purposeful partisan propaganda is more disgraceful than anything I can imagine. There is no doubt that the Bush Republican right are a depraved and treacherous lot.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:16 pm“Depraved and treachrous” – sounds terrorists to me.
I don’t think any of us on this board are deserving of those labels…”passionate”, “committed”, yes, even “patriotic” – but OSAGE you are name calling when all are doing is having heated debate…
Okay, I did call some “OSTRICH” – but that is more for their inability to watch a smiple show, whether Farenheit or Path, whether left or right…but let’s save the name calling for those who attacked our soil and killed our fellow citizens.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:35 pmThe entire Clinton Admin was a disgrace and a Farce. They took credit for things they were not responsible for and shirked their responsibilities while Clinton was doing the help.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:43 pmLOL.. Michael Moore’s movie was as non-fictional as Huckleberry Finn. I find it extremely humorous that most people who are willing to trash, demean, foulmouth, and smear people all day long, fall all to pieces when someone talks bad about them…OMG! you woulda thought the sky was falling.
Mr. Moore’s fictional account of 9/11 was so factually incorrect, it was actually humorous to watch, and scary when you think that he actually believes it. I don’t seem to remember any Republican demanding it not be shown, it needs to be cut, boycott anyplace that shows it, etc etc ad nauseum
I had an instructor once, who used to say that he could tell when a person was lying, because it takes more energy to lie, than to tell the truth. When people lie, they speak louder and more forcibly becuase of this. I wonder why Mr. Clinton protests so loudly?
September 10th, 2006 at 3:43 pmOkay, here is an article that is pointing out exactly what I am trying to say. Bottom line, if you can’t watch Path, at least read this.
Dems on a ‘Path’ to shame
By L. Brent Bozell III
Sunday, September 10, 2006
To mark the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attack on America, ABC Entertainment is presenting a six-hour miniseries titled “The Path to 9/11,” a forceful, compelling docudrama chronicling the struggles faced by America’s counterterrorist experts between the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 and the one in 2001.
Unlike the tone of too much reporting on terrorism, where anyone who fights terrorism is depicted as assembling naked Muslim pyramids if in Iraq, this film treats the fight against terror as deadly business — and not just deadly business but a noble struggle for the survival of our nation.
Serious scholars of current events, not to mention some of those named in the film, may take issue with parts of this presentation. The movie is based on the report of the 9/11 commission, which itself is not infallible in its conclusions on what went wrong and what needs to be fixed. Moreover, up front the moviemakers note it has composite characters and manipulates the time of events for a better movie experience. As a “docudrama,” it has taken certain poetic license with history.
It’s sad, but predictable, that some on the far left have dismissed this film as a “right-wing” snow job. The first line of attack on the film came from loyal Clinton Democrats who are simply incapable of accepting any blame, or even a dollop of criticism, over the mistakes leading up to 9/11. (There are reports that the film was being re-edited days before its premiere.)
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The Center for American Progress, led by former Clinton Chief of Staff John Podesta, has been marching on several fronts, at both Media Matters for America and at the blog, Think Progress.org, which set up a campaign called “Tell ABC to Tell the Truth About 9/11″ and claims the film is guilty of “whitewashing” the Bush administration’s failures.
These folks either haven’t watched the film, in which case they ought to remain silent, or have seen it, in which case they are being disingenuous.
Both Clinton and Bush officials come under fire, and if it seems more anti-Clinton, that’s only because they were in office a lot longer than Team Bush before Sept. 11. Indeed, the film drives home the point that from our enemies’ perspective, it’s irrelevant who is in the White House. (One scene has Muslims shooting machine guns at a video image of Bill Clinton.) They simply want to kill Americans and destroy America.
The film doesn’t play favorites, and the Bush administration takes its lumps as well. Condoleezza Rice, for one, takes a hit. Among other things, she is presented as foolishly demoting National Security Council counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke to a smaller role devoted to cyber-security. The famous Aug. 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing, which warned of an impending domestic attack from Osama bin Laden, is presented as spelling out the approaching cataclysm in black and white, and to no avail.
FBI officials in Phoenix in 2001 waved red flags about Muslims taking flight lessons and were ignored. FBI officials in Minneapolis sent distress signals about Zacarias Moussaoui, and they went unheeded. All that, and more, is there.
Now I will confess a personal bias here. Whether from our politicians or, more dramatically, from our news media, there is a most unhealthy obsession with criticism. As one network scribe once put it, “Good news is no news, bad news is great news.” Yes, mistakes were made. But we cannot, and ought not, overlook the extraordinary work being performed by so many who are so devoted to our nation’s security.
And “The Path to 9/11″ doesn’t ignore this truth. The film underscores that many, many men and women, most of them toiling in anonymity, in and out of uniform, have been working ceaselessly to protect America and are richly deserving of a nation’s gratitude. Some individuals, like Clarke and former FBI counterintelligence expert John O’Neil, the newly appointed head of security at the Twin Towers who died inside the World Trade Center, are presented heroically.
One can quibble with some elements, but only a fool would ignore the message: America’s intelligence apparatus was woefully unprepared for 9/11 and remains dangerously inadequate today. It is a frightening, sobering warning.
Most people will find this movie not just engrossing but necessary. The people who will hate this movie are the radicals who dismiss the war on terrorism as a phantom issue. As one blogger at the Daily Kos pleaded about the ABC film: “So who is the greater threat to democracy? Terrorists or media consolidation?” Nothing, but nothing will bring this crowd to reality.
ABC chief Bob Iger reportedly has told his staff he believes this is one television show all of America needs to see. He’s right.
L. Brent Bozell III is president of the Media Research Center.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/guests/s_469649.html
September 10th, 2006 at 3:47 pmI had an instructor once, who used to say that he could tell when a person was lying, because it takes more energy to lie, than to tell the truth. When people lie, they speak louder and more forcibly becuase of this. I wonder why Mr. Clinton protests so loudly?
Comment by Douglas G.
Ah, but perhaps HE was lying to you! If so, you’ve been wrong for a lot of years – and perhaps you should apologize to your kid for some of those beatings you gave him because he “lied.”
Mr. Moore’s fictional account of 9/11 was so factually incorrect, it was actually humorous to watch, and scary when you think that he actually believes it. I don’t seem to remember any Republican demanding it not be shown, it needs to be cut, boycott anyplace that shows it, etc etc ad nauseum
Yet again, no evidence – just like Saddam’s link to 9/11 – yet you bedwetters swallowed that one whole!
This is a commercial-free gift to the republican party, and your memory must be faulty – ’cause I remember wingnuts going after it hammer and tong. Disney refused to promote it – unlike this propaganda piece.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:53 pmGot a typical attack from ‘the left’ just for speaking my mind. How open minded.
D
Comment by DavidG
It was a good one, too! I’m laughing my ass off!
Stop wetting your pants, trolls, it’s getting smelly in here.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:53 pmAs the Left says “Free speech for me, but not for thee.â€
Comment by Dan Sperry
You guys cried bloody murder when “the Reagans” was to be aired and got it shown on Showtime instead – its a little hypocritical to now claim”censorship, don’t you think?”
September 10th, 2006 at 3:59 pmAnyone read the article, “Dems on a Path to Shame”?
September 10th, 2006 at 3:59 pmI had an instructor once, who used to say that he could tell when a person was lying, because it takes more energy to lie, than to tell the truth. When people lie, they speak louder and more forcibly becuase of this. I wonder why Mr. Clinton protests so loudly?
Comment by Douglas G.
Those are just the obvious liars Doug G. We all know Clinton lied that time about putting his naughty bits where they didn’t belong.
If you want to see professional liars, just wait for the next GWB or Cheney speech, and press the “mute” button.
Watch for the facial ticks, the grabbing of the podium, the facial blotchiness, excessive blinking, the aggressive stance, and, if you watch very, very closely, you’ll see the minute facial expressions that give the whole thing away.
It’s very interesting, in a horrifying blood-soaked kind of way…
September 10th, 2006 at 4:00 pmEyesore:
Its being shown in New Zealand, with parts included that are pure fantasy – you should write a thank-you to Disney for the free propaganda! And you can quit with the fake “centrist” routine – it’s pretty apparent you’re anything but. Embrace your inner Bush!
September 10th, 2006 at 4:04 pmL. Brent Bozell III is president of the Media Research Center.
That pretty much exposes your political proclivities, Eyepatch.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:06 pmGuys…I told you…I voted for Bush…no “inner Bushness” there.
And I have been doing Googles on this for past couple of days…reading all the comments and articles…not just the lib ones…like most of you. I am not a Centrist….maybe a Demopublican that is becoming a Republicrat…
This morning it dawned on me why the Dems are so desperate to get the immigrant vote….you guys are a dying breed…you need warm bodies. Truly being honest here…I think that is it…fight as you may…unless you wake up and smell the reality it’s over pretty soon…
September 10th, 2006 at 4:17 pmEyePatch
Comment by Barfly — September 10, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
Perhaps YOU are lying to me? I see that you can’t regrain from namecalling also… Please note, something I don’t feel a need to do.
Be well.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:24 pmEyeSawPath,
You have all your bases covered, but you are committed to none of them.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:25 pm56 lies about “Fahrenhiet 911″ http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
Times and Dates prove many falsehoods in “F 911″
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/moore.htm
Slate Magazine-Falsehoods in “F 911″
http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/
MSNBC More Distortions and Lies to Moore
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek
Unlike what Moore purported as a factual documentary, Path to 9-11 is a fictionalized docu-drama set in a historical time period that is factual to the events, not necessarily the characters. What is so hard in telling the difference between the two?
September 10th, 2006 at 4:54 pmUp until now the Democrats on the 9/11 Commission have held back in a bi-partisan effort to present a unified telling of 9/11. Watching the current partisan grandstanding by the Republicans I would now expect the Democrats to take the gloves off. Today Jill Garlock seemed more than ready to do just that. Tuesday could be an interesting day. Keith Olbermann will be a must watch.
For whatever reason the Republicans have it in their craw that now is payback time. I doubt that they understand what happens after one strikes a hornets nest.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pmI see that you can’t regrain from namecalling also. Please note, something I don’t feel a need to do.
Be well.
Comment by Douglas G. — September 10, 2006 @ 4:24
As the Left says “Free speech for me, but not for thee.â€
Comment by Dan Sperry
So making up strawmen, ascribing anti-free speech tendencies, and naming them “the Left” isn’t name-calling? On a progressive website? Puhleeze!
am not a Centrist….maybe a Demopublican that is becoming a Republicrat…
Eyepatch
“What’s that on the horizon, sir? A demopublican, or a republicrat?”
“Whatever it is son, it’s an abomination of nature, and should be put out of its misery.”
Good luck with getting your candidate elected, Redemopubli — Demorecratlipi — how’s that go again?
So, you’re for abortions – but only for
September 10th, 2006 at 5:11 pmOop, forget the last line! I spilled my drink!
September 10th, 2006 at 5:13 pmI represent the “swing vote” period. And you guys are loosing me the more your foot enters your mouths…rather than consider another Democrat I will look at the Independent if I do not like the Republican candidate…good night, and good luck!
September 10th, 2006 at 5:15 pmI asked, “Has anyone read the arcticle I posted?” Not one of you could say, “Yes, no or maybe.” Sad group of spineless people.
Is there nobody here brave enough to say “no” or “yes”? Either confess your inability to consider the truth or read it and point out it’s flaws…I’m telling you…I saw Path and you will all be ashamed of your behaviour here today.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:18 pmWell, I guess then that Lehman thinks it’s OK to show this movie as a way to “get back” at Hollywood and Moore.
Pathetic
September 10th, 2006 at 5:23 pm99 – swing voter
swing voters are the ones that are too fooking stupid to make up their mind all the way up until election day. They shouldn’t even get to vote because they’re too fooking dumb and indicisive.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmWell then I guess that everyone here doesn’t want to talk about reading anything that might enlighten them a bit…ie.., things that are in Path which show Bush in a bad light…
Everyone, everywhere has the right to vote…I just don’t vote based upon a certain party blindly…or should I say easily. Expressing my vote takes work…research…listening to all sides…weighing facts…not just blindly following a party.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:40 pmComrades Bravo!
These traitors at ABC are betrayers of our new mother land. Where I come from, this Robert A. Iger would be dragged through the streets in front of the tomb of our glorious leader Vladimir Lenin and shot in public. The producers, directors, writers and anyone associated with this propaganda would be picked up in the early hours of the morning by our State Security Chief Lavrenty Beria (The Black Hand) and taken to a Siberian labor camp never too be heard from again.
For many years I have been loyal to ABC and the Pravda (truth) that our Socialist Liberal ally has put forth in order to progress our ultimate goal; the decline and absolute destruction of America and the capitalist traitorous pig’s like ABC.
I ask you Mr. Robert A. Iger, “Have you no shame Sir�
Comrades, we must not give up the fight. It has taken us many years to groom you and your elected leaders.
Remember what our great leader Nikita Khrushchev said:
“ We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism ”
It’s more important now then ever before that we stand together and stay focused! We can not allow this abomination of propaganda to go forward.
We must do whatever it takes to keep this film from airing on Sunday the 10th, 2006, we only have a few hours left.
It is your duty as loyal Liberal Socialist Democrats to rise up in solidarity and put a stop to this immediately!
Senator Harry Reid, one of our courageous and distinguished Senatorial leaders from the state of Nevada, reminded the capitalist traitorous pigs at ABC of their license from the FCC. Please Senator Reid, we’re your loyal comrades in arms and begging you to use all the glorious power you possess. You must stop this film! You must push forward with an iron fist and crush this despicable display of propaganda.
If this film isn’t stopped from airing on ABC, Sunday night, I’m afraid all our efforts since the cold war and the aspirations of our great leaders from glorious years past and Nikita Khrushchev’s dreams and predictions will have been lost.
If we loose now, the great Liberal Socialist Democratic Party, we have nurtured, will decline into the ash heaps of history never too be heard from again.
You must!…. I repeat, you must contact our comrades in arms at their offices in Washington.
Now I’ve done all the work all you have to do is contact our comrades below by e-mail or call:
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That statement MIGHT make perfect sense, if Michael Moore’s film was ever given network airtime. It wasn’t. With this in mind, maybe we should be not only pressing ABC for accuracy in their films, but should also be demanding that they air “Fahrenheit 9/11″ be aired as well. Maybe Mr. Moore could update it just for the occassion?
September 10th, 2006 at 5:46 pmI completely agree…please air Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11…I have seen that and think it would be a good show for the nation to see!
I trust in the American public to make up their own minds…
September 10th, 2006 at 5:56 pmAIR FAHRENHEIT 9/11 TO THE MAIN STREAM PUBLIC OF THIS COUNTRY!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 6:03 pmCAST’S ON-SET TURMOIL REVEALED
New York Post
Meanwhile, sources on the set told The Post that during filming there were arguments over the veracity of the content.
That legitimacy problem, they said, was exacerbated by the fact that no experts were on hand to get things straight.
When Oscar nominee Harvey Keitel signed on to play Deputy FBI Director John O’Neill, who perished in the World Trade Center attacks, he thought the film’s aim was to be historically correct, he said.
“It turned out not all the facts were correct,” which led to “arguments,” he said on CNN.
Virtually from Day 1 of shooting, “Keitel put his own researcher on the case,” looking to correct historical, character and other inaccuracies he found in the script, said John Dondertman, a production designer on the film.
That led to Keitel rewriting most of his own lines – which in turn meant almost daily revisions for cast members who had scenes with him.
A particular point of contention was a scene in which O’Neill, observing reams of Arabic documents, asks his assistant, “Do we have Arab translators?” only to be told, “I don’t know of any. I’ll call around.”
“Keitel couldn’t understand why the FBI didn’t have Arabic translators, so the dialogue was changed on the spot,” said a script supervisor.
On one occasion, Keitel holed up in his hotel for an entire day with director David Cunningham revising the script.
Other times, Cunningham would “fumble through the 9/11 Commission book trying to figure out how to correct details Keitel called into question,” said the script supervisor.
Other actors, says David Smukler, a dialogue coach on the film, took to watching archival news clips of their characters for inspiration when unable to consult with the real thing.
Some attempted to interview the people they were portraying but were rebuffed.
When production got under way in Toronto, the script by Cyrus Nowrasteh was titled “The Untitled History Project.”
That was partly to prevent details from leaking out to the White House and its former occupants.
The network hired 9/11 Commission chairman and former Republican New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean as the project’s senior consultant.
“Kean was never on the set,” said Greg Chown, an art director on the film. “The only adviser I worked with was a former CIA guy, who ensured that all the graphics and documents we used were accurate.”
Another staffer, who spoke confidentially, said the only adviser she recalls is retired FBI agent Terry Carney.
“He’d never been on a set before and seemed flummoxed at times. He had no say in the script; he was hired to make sure people held their guns correctly and such.”
Production documents issued to staffers make no mention of Kean, although an ABC spokeswoman said he visited the set “at least once.”
William Sadler, who plays FBI agent Neil Herman, tried to contact Herman for insight. “Herman said he wanted nothing to do with the film,” said an associate of the actor.
September 10th, 2006 at 6:04 pmAND YOUR POINT IS?
September 10th, 2006 at 6:10 pmI guess Michelle didn’t have their on POV…so where were we?
September 10th, 2006 at 6:42 pmMichelle,
Thanks for that. Very interesting.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:08 pmAnd this guy was a 9/11 commissioner.
Lehman’s comment injects serious doubt about the whole 9/11 Commission.
Instead of talking about artistic license, he ought to be talking about the “public trust”. But that would be quaint from a commissioner.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:10 pmrather than consider another Democrat I will look at the Independent if I do not like the Republican candidate…good night, and good luck!
Comment by EyeSawPath —
You do that. It will make victory more clearly defined if wishy-washy fencesitters stay home, and give the dems a clear mandate to investigate and prosecute. Then you can’t come back after the election and say “but you wouldn’t have done it without us fencesitters,” and give cover to Dinos like Lieberman. So please stay home – or waste it on a rubberstamp republican or an “independent.” We don’t really need you – have you seen the polls?
September 10th, 2006 at 7:50 pmAnd why would anyone read Bozell – unless they want to be spun? Let’s see how many made up scenes put words in Bush’s mouth, compared to Clinton.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:55 pmABC should broadcast the docu-drama on the times leading up to September 1, 2001!!
If in fact ABC allows the political bullies to censor the program as it was originally planned to go to Air; that will be the first day of the end of American Free Press as we have come to know it!
Truly a sad day for America’s type, electronic and internet press.
Don’t let this censorship happen, Americans will come to your aid and take your side have courage!
Just air it, let Americans make up their own minds
September 10th, 2006 at 8:09 pmSo the date I entered on the previous post was a typo I intended to say September11,2001
September 10th, 2006 at 8:20 pmYou’re right BARFLY
You do that. It will make victory more clearly defined if wishy-washy fencesitters stay home, and give the dems a clear mandate to investigate and prosecute. Then you can’t come back after the election and say “but you wouldn’t have done it without us fencesitters,†and give cover to Dinos like Lieberman. So please stay home – or waste it on a rubberstamp republican or an “independent.†We don’t really need you – have you seen the polls?
I WILL JUST VOTE REPUBLICAN FROM HERE ON OUT…THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:30 pm2 HOURS AND COUNTING!!! TO FREEDOME REIGNING IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF OURS!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:37 pmSo why didn’t the GOP put up with seeing the Reagan docudrama? Huh huh?
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A few years ago–in 2003 to be exact–CBS was set to air a made-for-television movie entitled The Reagans. The movie was a docu-drama chronicling the life of former president Ronald Reagan and his wife Nancy. It had a big name cast and a relatively high production value for a made-for-television project (it cost $16 million to produce and was ordered up specifically for sweeps week).
But before the scheduled broadcast date, a clamor grew among right-wing circles that the film was not sufficiently hagiographical. Apparently “The 20th Century’s Greatest President” was portrayed in a less than flattering light in a few scenes. This led to a media storm of protest by right-leaning bloggers and commentators, none of whom had actually seen the movie, but all of whom denounced it as a left-wing smear job and demanded that CBS cancel it. Even the RNC got involved. Under pressure, CBS caved and cancelled its scheduled broadcast.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:40 pm==
Hypocrites R the GOP
The GOP is now officially the OCH
Organized Conservative Hypocrisy strikes again!
A GREAT FOLLOW UP TO THIS WILL BE MOORE’S FAHRENHEIT 9/11!!! WHAT SAY YOU GUYS? NEXT SUNDAY…SAME TIME…SAME PLACE?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:40 pmYEP…I AGREE CBS SHOULD HAVE SHOWN THE REAGAN SHOW….NOT SURE WHY THEY CAVED…IF THE GOP WAS THE CAUSE…THEY ARE WHIMPS!!!
LONG LIVE FREEDOM IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:41 pmI WILL JUST VOTE REPUBLICAN FROM HERE ON OUT…THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT!
Comment by EyeSawPath
As if you weren’t doing that already…
September 10th, 2006 at 8:42 pm#122 – SINCE WHEN WAS CLINTON A REPUBLICAN?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:43 pm2 HOURS AND COUNTING!!! TO FREEDOME REIGNING IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF OURS!!!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Are you really that Blind?
Prescott Bush would demonstrate strong loyalty to the firm he joined in 1926. And the bank, with the scope and power of many ordinary nations, could amply reward its agents. George Bush’s Grandfather Walker had put the enterprise together, quietly, secretly, using all the international connections at his disposal. Let us briefly look back at the beginning of the Harriman firm–the Bush family enterprise–and follow its course into one of history’s darkest projects.
The firm’s first global lever was its successful arrangement to get into Germany by dominating that country’s shipping. Averell Harriman announced in 1920 that he would re-start Germany’s Hamburg- Amerika Line, after many months of scheming and arm-twisting. Hamburg-Amerika’s commercial steamships had been confiscated by the United States at the end of the First World War. These ships had then become the property of the Harriman enterprise, by some arrangements with the U.S. authorities that were never made public.
The deal was breathtaking; it would create the world’s largest private shipping line. Hamburg-Amerika Line regained its confiscated vessels, for a heavy price. The Harriman enterprise took “the right to participate in 50 percent of all business originated in Hamburg” ; and for the next twenty years (1920-1940), the Harriman enterprise had “complete control of all activities of the Hamburg line in the United States.” @s1@s7
Harriman became co-owner of Hamburg-Amerika. The Harriman-Walker firm gained a tight hold on its management, with the not-so-subtle backing of the post-World War I occupation of Germany by the armies of England and America.
Just after Harriman’s public statement, the St. Louis press celebrated Bert Walker’s role in assembling the money to consummate the deal:
“Ex-St. Louisan Forms Giant Ship Merger”
“G. H. Walker is Moving Power Behind Harriman-Morton Shipping Combine….”
The story celebrated a “merger of two big financial houses in New York, which will place practically unlimited capital at the disposal of the new American-German shipping combine….” @s1@s8
Bert Walker had arranged a “marriage” of J.P. Morgan credit and Harriman family inherited wealth.
W.A. Harriman & Co., of which Walker was president and founder, was merging with the Morton & Co. private bank–and Walker was “[p]rominent in the affairs of Morton & Co.,” which was interlocked with the Morgan-controlled Guaranty Trust Co.
The Hamburg-Amerika takeover created an effective instrument for the manipulation and fatal subversion of Germany. One of the great “merchants of death,” Samuel Pryor, was in it from the beginning. Pryor, then chairman of the executive committee of Remington Arms, helped arrange the deal and served with Walker on the board of Harriman’s shipping front organization, the American Ship and Commerce Co.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:43 pmGETTING OUT THE POPCORN…
September 10th, 2006 at 8:45 pmMELTING THE BUTTER….
September 10th, 2006 at 8:45 pmAnyone want to join me for a bit of freedom and thinking while enjoying a good show?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:47 pm2 HOURS AND COUNTING!!! TO FREEDOME REIGNING IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF OURS!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:48 pmComment by EyeSawPath
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Youre a Fascist supporter I my eyes, Eyesawpath, and you should keep voting for the fascists, it’s the perfect place for such haters as yourself. Decry Freedom while supporting the war mongers, yeh you SEE alright. See nothing.
Bert’s {walker} son-in-law Prescott Bush was later secretary of the U.S. Golf Association, during the grave political and economic crises of the early 1930s. Prescott became USGA President in 1935, while he was otherwise embroiled in the family firm’s work with Nazi Germany.
Here is the sad bottom line for the Dems now…
Your most powerful player “demanded” that ABC not show The Path to 9/11 – they did not listen…they have heard all of your whining and complaining…they are still going to show it…
Can anyone say, IRRELEVENT PARTY?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:50 pmAnyone want to join me for a bit of freedom and thinking while enjoying a good show?
Comment by EyeSawPath
September 10th, 2006 at 8:50 pm==
Your type of ‘Freedom’ got many people killed in WWII because you right wingers supported a racist christian fanatic holocaustic creep..wake up doofus eye saw nothing.
And the Dick Dastardlys are a great representation of that irrelevence…quite the spokesman you guys have there!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:52 pmYour most powerful player “demanded†that CBS not show The The Reagans – they did not listen…they have heard all of your whining and complaining…they are still going to show it…
Can anyone say, Fascist Wackos Hitler Appeaser?
Besides they still showed The Reagans on showtime for all your whining and caterwauling, so much for your ‘power’ Hitler lover.
No go get your oxycontin from Rush and get all f__ked up and go watch the Movie and then maybe it will make sense to your demented mind.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:53 pmGuys I’m out of here…dastardly isn’t one of you or me…so I think this thread is dead!!!
Enjoy the show!!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:54 pmAnd the Dick Dastardlys are a great representation of that irrelevence…quite the spokesman you guys have there!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Oh it’s been proven time and again the Bushies supported Hitler.
Represent this.. _||_
September 10th, 2006 at 8:55 pmGuys I’m out of here…dastardly isn’t one of you or me…so I think this thread is dead!!!
Enjoy the show!!!!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Go paint some swastikas on your wall wacko..
September 10th, 2006 at 8:55 pmThats how you run off an idiot Bush Hitler lover supporter and appeaser =^]
September 10th, 2006 at 8:56 pmSINCE WHEN WAS CLINTON A REPUBLICAN?
Comment by EyeSawPath\
Yeah, yeah, you voted for every winning president since the beginning of time. You’re a Democrat — No! — You’re a Republican — No! — You’re an Independent.
Like I said before, you’ve got all the bases covered, but you’re committed to none of them.
Stop shouting you lame brain.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:57 pmI WILL JUST VOTE REPUBLICAN FROM HERE ON OUT…THANKS FOR THAT INSIGHT!
Comment by EyeSawPath
Good, then we will know who to blame.
Someone’s gone all caps – the first sign of a losing argument.
Your fake centrism is on display. No, we don’t need bedwetting fence sitters like you – so bon voyage, til November.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:58 pm#
GETTING OUT THE POPCORN…
Comment by EyeSawPath — September 10, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
#
MELTING THE BUTTER….
Comment by EyeSawPath
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Kicking your Ass!! -DD
September 10th, 2006 at 8:58 pmTrinary Suka = Dick Dastardly?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:59 pmshhhh…=) No I am just a name stealer! LOL.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:00 pmDick D,
Fantastic! :-D
September 10th, 2006 at 9:01 pmAnyone want to join me for a bit of freedom and thinking while enjoying a good show?
Comment by EyeSawPath
The Simpsons? Sure. I love it. Much better than the cartoon ABC is running.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:03 pmoh, the caps, yeah…sorry about that…was doing something else and just left them on…my bad..
Anyway, have to go eat dinner…appreciate all the entertainment while waiting for the real show!
nite…
September 10th, 2006 at 9:07 pmBefore I jump I have to say…good one on the Simpsons Barfly!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 9:10 pmThere is a GOP conspiracy to blame Democrats for 9/11/01!
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I don’t think it will work Jay. We know from history that during the Cold War and Afghanistan that the they allied with Osama.
Reagan used the ‘Freedom Fighters” as he called the muslim and Saud [Wahabi] extremists as a proxy to fight communist Russia.
This happened under Reagan, and Bush sr.
Really the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves, and thats a hard cookie for these guys to swallow. They can spend a billion dollars and they still won’t change the fact that they appeased the very terrorists that eventually attacked America.
Freedom Fighters were in effect AL Qaeda..Such is why they get so mad when you call them remind them of Reagans Freedom Fighters are todays terrorists.
Truth hurts…Docudramas won’t, cannot cure that no matter what the trolls here watch, think, believe or endlessly regurgitate.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:43 pmAnyway, have to go eat dinner…appreciate all the entertainment while waiting for the real show!
nite…
at least I saw nothing realizes its just a Show, and notice how ‘eyesawasoapopera’ cannot refute what I say.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:45 pmIs this another bogus “liberal media bias” argument? This piece of fiction contradicts the factual record. Do you think people are upset because this film criticizes Clinton? Good grief, Clinton supporters lived with 8 years of that nonsense.
To paraphrase — It’s the Lies, stupid.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:45 pmLess than a month after 9/11, the president was making good on his promise of “no sacrifice whatsoever.” Speaking in Washington about how it was “the time to be wise” and “the time to act,”
Bush didn’t act, he read my pet goat and then took time for a photo op before dissapearing for several hours. Wise Man huh?
No Sacrifices for bubble boy, golf brush clearing and more vacations as usual. Kinda like he did during Katrina..Ignored the warnings and said he never saw it, when it was later proven, on film, that he did see the briefing for Katrina..such a liar. Say’s he doesn’t know Ken Lay then goes to his funeral and not the fallen Soliders, no sacrifice is to great for our George.
And so here we are five years later and the biggest ’sacrifice’ Bush has made is to take more vacations than any president in History…and to blame Clinton for the actions of Reagan/Bush Sr. ‘Freedom Fighter Terrorists”
September 10th, 2006 at 9:54 pmFrom movie “Bush has to do something he has to act”
Bush did not act, he sat reading my pet goat, he also ignored the PDB when he was on vacation..now afghanistan is being taken over by the Taliban and the opium crop is bumper. The women can no longer go without burkas and are being beaten again for not complying.
Iraq has slid into a quagmire that bush will pass off to the next president.
Bush, the worst President ever.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:00 pmComrades,
We have less then minutes before this film “The Path to 9/11†permeates our air-waves with the stench of despicable capitalist propaganda.
We need too stop this film at any cost!
I’m pleading with all loyal Liberal Socialist Democrats to please write or call Senator Harry Reid.
You may use the following in your e-mail or voicemail to Senator Harry Reid:
Your Eminence,
We the people, of the United Liberal Socialist Democratic Party, whom are and shall always be you’re loyal comrades in arms, ask that you please have the FCC revoke the license of the traitors to our cause against the ABC Corporation. This propagandized film cannot be broadcasted.
The future of our Liberal Socialist Democratic Party will most certainly be irreversibly damaged from this despicable film and could most likely undo all the years of hard work by our party professors and scholars within our Liberal controlled academia.
This film could be so damaging that it will prevent us from taking over the House of Congress this November.
Please help us Obi-Reid, you’re our only hope!
Reid, Harry- (D – NV) Class III
September 10th, 2006 at 10:14 pm528 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3542
Web Form: reid.senate.gov/contact/email_form.cfm
Oh, shut up Nikita, you are not clever.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:17 pm#105
..maybe we should be not only pressing ABC for accuracy in their films, but should also be demanding that they air “Fahrenheit 9/11″ be aired as well. Maybe Mr. Moore could update it just for the occassion?
I think I agree with that. Moore’s film was not shown on free TV; this mockumentary has been shown free of charge (and comercials) to millions of people, so in all fairness, after the fact, Fahrenheit 9/11 should be available for free with the same conditions.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:27 pmLet us see.. Bin loogies does what to das kontrey?
September 10th, 2006 at 11:13 pmNeo-fascist pigs.
Thomas Kean is listed in the opening credits as “Co-Executive Producer”!!! Does anyone see a (surprise!) potential conflict of interest here??? Shouldn’t he have disclosed this today on This Week???
September 10th, 2006 at 11:53 pmWhen will the wussy Democrats learn that framing the issue is the most important step. Here the conservatives have again masterfully drawn the frame around the debate by focusing attention on the slurs and lies about the Clinton administration. By responding to this, the Democrats allow attention to be directed away from the more important issue – the fact that this mocumentary fails to place the blame on squarely on the Bushies when they were in a position to do something before the big day. And the Bushies had the intel and knew that something big was coming (let’s not forget the infamous PDB). In looking back at GWB in that classroom with the little kids, it seems to me that the look on face when he heard about the attacks betrayed a little of the “oops” feeling that would have to have gone through what passes for his mind. Didn’t it look like he might have realized something at that moment? Let’s stop accepting the debate they hand us and hit back on our terms.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:55 pmLying Monkey.
A republican was president 9/11/2001. The Bushites cannot erase that fact.
September 11th, 2006 at 12:05 amWatching it for a second time….I’m like, are these guys nuts!? Risking all of their credibility on boycotting this???
Hour and a half in…no Clinton…where’s all the Clinton bashing in this movie??? Anyone seen any of that? Oh, and can anyone tell me the actors name that plays Clinton in a “fictionalized” version? Not there…just some news clips towards the end if I recall…let’s watch and see. ; )
September 11th, 2006 at 12:24 amYes, Bush was president during the 9/11 attack…and on Monday night that will be shown…and Bush does not look so smart either…but you know what? You don’t hear the the Republicans screaming about it, do you?
September 11th, 2006 at 12:29 amI know this is a low blow…but I just couldn’t resist!!!
ABC 9/11 MOVIE SHOWS CLINTONS DESTROYING WORLD TRADE CENTER
Hollywood – Democrats have erupted in outrage over the latest footage to be leaked from ABC’s upcoming TV miniseries “The Path to 9/11,†which shows former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton flying the planes that destroyed the World Trade Center.
“It’s very common to boil down many real life people to one character in a movie,†ABC president Steve McPherson said in response to the criticisms. “We simply thought it would be too confusing to have all the different people responsible for 9/11 in our film, we combined them all into one composite character named William Jefferson Clinton.â€
In what was previously thought to be the most controversial scene from the film, Clinton’s National Security Advisor Sandy Berger declines to give the CIA authority to capture or kill Osama bin Laden after CIA operatives report that they know where the al-Qaeda leader is.
However, Dateline Hollywood has learned that in a subsequent scene, Clinton has a conversation with his old friend Bin Laden, whom the film says he met at anti-Vietnam War protests in London when the future president was a student at Oxford.
“The CIA is on my ass here,†the terrorist leader tells Clinton. “I can’t get out to take that trip we’ve been talking about.â€
“Don’t worry, OBL,†the former President replies, using an acronym for his old friend. “Hillary and I will take the trip on our own. We thought we might hit lower Manhattan, if you know what I mean.â€
In the film, both Clintons parachute out of their planes just before the explosion. They are caught in helicopters flown by John Kerry and Howard Dean and returned to their home in Chappaqua, New York before anyone realizes they were gone.
Numerous liberal blogs have exploded at the latest revelation, accusing ABC and its parent company, Disney, of airing right wing propaganda as fact.
“This movie is supposed to be based on the 9/11 Commission’s report, but they’re obviously just making shit up,†wrote Josh Marshall of TalkingPointsMemo.com. “If ABC airs this propaganda, I can promise you I will be ending my TiVo Season Pass to ‘According to Jim.’â€
But conservatives are shooting back, accusing liberal critics of hypocrisy.
“Liberals are supposed to be defenders of free speech, but here they are trying to censor their friends in Hollywood now that Bill Clinton looks a little bad,†wrote Jean Kathryn Lopez on National Review’s “The Corner†blog. “I didn’t see them getting this worked up when some books made equally irresponsible charges that President Bush twisted evidence to support the invasion of Iraq.â€
Sources at ABC say they are editing the film as a response to the protests, which have also included a letter from the Congressional Democratic leadership and President Clinton’s office.
“We’re digitally inserting terrorist co-pilots just to make certain nobody thinks we are saying the Clintons are entirely responsible for 9/11,†said a source at ABC. “Of course we realize that Al Qaeda should bear some of the guilt as well.â€
September 11th, 2006 at 12:33 amI’ll se you that, and raise you a James Wolcott:
“Even if The Path to 9/11 were politically pure, its raison d’etre would be suspect. How many times and how many ways must the adrenaline be pumped, the tragedy replayed, and the suffering exploited? The fall of the towers has become a ritual fetish, an annual haunting, that doesn’t exorcise fear, but replenishes it.
“What has changed, grotesquely, is the aftershock,” Simon Jenkins writes in The Guardian, delivering a splash of cold reality. “Terrorism is 10% bang and 90% an echo effect composed of media hysteria, political overkill and kneejerk executive action, usually retribution against some wider group treated as collectively responsible. This response has become 24-hour, seven-day-a-week amplification by the new politico-media complex, especially shrill where the dead are white people. It is this that puts global terror into the bang. While we take ever more extravagant steps to ward off the bangs, we do the opposite with the terrorist aftershock. We turn up its volume. We seem to wallow in fear.”
September 11th, 2006 at 12:39 amI know this is a low blow…but I just couldn’t resist!!!
I’ll see that, and raise with a Wolcott:
Even if The Path to 9/11 were politically pure, its raison d’etre would be suspect. How many times and how many ways must the adrenaline be pumped, the tragedy replayed, and the suffering exploited? The fall of the towers has become a ritual fetish, an annual haunting, that doesn’t exorcise fear, but replenishes it.
“What has changed, grotesquely, is the aftershock,” Simon Jenkins writes in The Guardian, delivering a splash of cold reality. “Terrorism is 10% bang and 90% an echo effect composed of media hysteria, political overkill and kneejerk executive action, usually retribution against some wider group treated as collectively responsible. This response has become 24-hour, seven-day-a-week amplification by the new politico-media complex, especially shrill where the dead are white people. It is this that puts global terror into the bang. While we take ever more extravagant steps to ward off the bangs, we do the opposite with the terrorist aftershock. We turn up its volume. We seem to wallow in fear.”
September 11th, 2006 at 12:41 amTouche’ Bar Fly…touche’!
September 11th, 2006 at 12:46 amBush was president during the 9/11 attack…and on Monday night that will be shown…and Bush does not look so smart either…but you know what? You don’t hear the the Republicans screaming about it, do you?
Comment by EyeSawPath
So, will they show him hiding for days on Air Force One? How about sitting for six minutes after being informed of a terrorist attack? Will they show the part where he goes to a soldier’s funeral?
September 11th, 2006 at 12:47 amOnly if they get to show the “Oral Office” scene…
September 11th, 2006 at 12:50 amdoes anyone know of any sites that are doing real-time fact analysis or feedback on this as it’s showing?
September 11th, 2006 at 12:50 amOr perhaps they’ll show him declassifying Valerie Plame’s identity – or was that Cheney? What I’d really like to see, is the part where we bring Bin Laden to justice. Is that in part II?
September 11th, 2006 at 12:54 amdoes anyone know of any sites that are doing real-time fact analysis or feedback on this as it’s showing?
Yes, this site is doing that!
NOT!!! LMAO
September 11th, 2006 at 12:55 amOnly if they get to show the “Oral Office†scene…
Comment by EyeSawPath
Yeah. Blowjobs and wars of choice are morally equal – I forgot.
September 11th, 2006 at 12:55 amWhat I’d really like to see, is the part where we bring Bin Laden to justice. Is that in part II?
I couldn’t agree more with you there, BarFly…
Somehow or another you guys seem to confuse me with a fan of Bush’s…not really…just a fan of people who are open to hearing from many sides…not just one.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:00 amdoes anyone know of any sites that are doing real-time fact analysis or feedback on this as it’s showing?
Comment by Jamoo
Try David Brock’s joint. Y’know the one who was paid by rightwingers to write a fake expose’ under the rubric of “The Arkansas Project” before he saw the light, and renounced conservatism. Media Matters is the name of the site.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:00 amjust a fan of people who are open to hearing from many sides…not just one.
Comment by EyeSawPath
You can have your own side – you don’t get to have your own facts.
This is a slanted version of 9/11, and they were going to use it as a “study guide” in schools – added up, the bottom line is propaganda.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:09 ammediamatters doesn’t have any real time info, but thanks barfly. If I find something that is presenting factual rebuttal, I’ll post it here.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:23 amSo I see you still have not viewed it the…BarFly?
September 11th, 2006 at 1:33 amWake up people. Change the station.
Yes, your corporate media system is *ucked, get it over it and find a new station.
Contrast your ABC with our CBC.
Regards.
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/secrethistory/timeline.html
It’s a 2-hour show, the first 45 covers the Clinton years, the last covers 75 covers Bush.
The last 15 is especially damning of the Bush administration, suggesting they ‘LIHOP’ed at the very mininum.
Take action, start posting these legitimate docs to your blogs, show them to your families, friends, and even the right-wing nut-jobs.. Make DVDs, get busy.
You know, integrity and getting on with the mission and doing it right is more important than loyalty. Both are great traits, but integrity, honesty and performance and competence have to outweigh, in this business, loyalty.
General Tony Zinni – Commander of United States Central Command (Ret.)
September 11th, 2006 at 4:29 amFirst off, F9/11. Funny that Moore offered a cash reward for anybody who could find any lies in it, and nobody has actually, you know, claimed the reward. If you rightwingers are sooo certain that you have evidence of lies there, go and claim the money. Seriously. The reward is not mythical.
Oh yeah, and the 59 deciets? I read that crap when F9/11 came out. It doesn’t do anything more then call Michael Moore a poopy head, it has been soundly debunked, and frankly you could debunk it too just by reading it analytically, but then most rightwingers are more interested in flinging feces then actually taking a look at things seriously. While I also disagree with M Moore’s conclusions, his facts are fairly straight.
Now aside from that Lehman appears to be saying here that two wrongs make a right. Now I don’t know about you, but I figured out that that was bullshit back when I was still in preschool. His Moral Maturity appears to be non-existant. I can say the precise same of such trolls as ESP, after all, that is their basic argument.
There is no argument I view with greater contempt, then “Two wrongs make a right” because even were that argument valid, you would have to be pretty certain the previous wrong actually happened in order to make it work.
I further view the “Liberal Media” and “Liberal Hollywood” angle to be a load of crap. Sure there are liberals in Hollywood, their are also Conservatives. Oddly enough the conservatives seem to be more the pure action crowd then the guys who can actually, you know, act, but that is beside the point. It is an attempt by a particular kind of conservative to create a wrong so that they can do wrong. It is cowardly, and a lie to blame the liberal media for reporting something, when in fact you actually did it.
It is time for the neocon rightwing to get a serious klap. They are cowards who have long taken a immoral (because they know they are wrong) and evil (because they know their policies are in fact, to the detriment of America) stance on government. The rightwing has shown that it has zero foresight, no credibility, and no reliability. It is time for the party of irresponsiblity, that can always be relied to whine “But he did it too” to get thrown out of power, because frankly it is a little late for them to grow up.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:34 amMicheal Moore’s film was about as factual as Path to 9/11 is. If you know how to analyze films, documentaries, and dramas this is obvious. Most of Farenheit 9/11 time-wise focuses on little insignificant personal details about the President’s life, with no connection to 9/11.
Besides, if you dont watch Path to 9/11 before building up you’re case, you’re worse than the idiots that tried to attack Farenheit 9/11 without seeing it beforehand.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:39 amWake up
Go back, read through the threads. I have seen so far on this issue:
1: Bill Clinton and his staff raise serious issues with scenes that were presented, EG: Madeline Albright slamming the phone on a CIA operative: it never happened.
2: Rightwing authors of books which are highly critical of the Clinton Government, calling those same scenes total trash and lies. EG: The scene where CIA agents have Bin Laden in their sites? Never happened.
3: The authors of the 9/11 report saying that the movie contradicts several key scenes in the actual report. And the wording of the report to prove it.
4: ABC backing off of this as a factual representation of events, while keeping the same “Based on factual events” line. Even the guys who produced the movie don’t believe it is true.
5: The writer of the movie stating that he did not interview any of the people that were actually there during the events depicted in the movie.
6: ABC refusing to grant those it depicts as being at fault, the common courtesy of seeing a advance copy of the movie.
7: ABC assuring Rightwingers that the basic anti-Clinton tone has been kept intact.
8: ABC having refused to broadcast Farenheit to 9/11 for being partisan, yet actually making this movie.
9: Every single troll in defence of this movie, pointing to Farenheit 9/11 as if that makes it okay to tell lies.
10: Several of the movies advisors on the events having quit because they were making shit up.
Now tell me, is calling this movie a load of propaganda, based on that evidence unreasonable? Is stating that it is unacceptable for ABC to be behind this movie, in light of all of this unreasonable? Or do you like being lied to?
Oh yeah, and if you can find any factual discrepancies in F9/11, why not go and you know, claim the reward that Michael Moore posted?
September 11th, 2006 at 4:55 amI don’t think people are getting the point of the discussion. I wouldn’t care if they aired the movie if it was factual. I wouldn’t care if they aired the movie say….three years ago. What I do care about is that they are fictionalizing the events leading up to 911. I care that they are using the public airwaves right before an election to spread their propaganda. But, what is pissing me off the most is that they had the nerve to send it to our schools. Is that what America has come down to…if you have enough money, you can rewrite history to suit what ever political agenda you have? You can call us whiners all you want. That just shows that you care nothing about this country or your children. It is really quite juvenile, but not surprising. Keep them dumb and ignorant, it will help future political parties that want to destroy the foundations of America. Be my guest.
September 11th, 2006 at 8:05 amFor those that say Fahenheit 9/11 was full of lies, please enlighten us. List the lies here, I would be interested? Thanks
September 11th, 2006 at 8:10 amWhat a Joke, the bush adminstration is involved in 9/11, not the clinton adminstration, Bill Clinton left office 8 months before 9/11 attacked us.
It was none other than bush and his band of facists that are involved in 9/11 and they helped bin laden to do this.
and screw this film, cause it sucks.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:02 amWhat happened to free speech? If there are inaccuracies in the movie, use your blogs and commentators to explain why it is inaccurate and specifically back up your claims with facts.
What seems obvious to any level headed person is that mistakes were made by both the Clinton and Bush administrations. Unfortunately, Clinton had seven years to react to the growing threat and little was accomplished beyond preventing the Millennium attacks. Bush did little to correct this huge mistake during the first seven months of his administration.
What is most pathetic is that a group of fringe conspiracy theorists would suggest our government would have actively aided and abetted the violence inflicted upon America on September 11th. Why isn’t the progressive blogisphere upset about this gross misrepresentation of the “Path to 9/11�
Its inconceivable to me that in five years the radical right and the radical left would have created the political atmosphere we live in today. Are we going to continue to inflict this disrespect to the families that were victimized five years ago toay?
September 11th, 2006 at 9:14 amDefamation is not covered, or to put it more exactly: ABC can air its miniseries, Clinton can then turn around and sue them, and ABC can be forced to pay damages for libel. The scenes we are objecting to have no basis in reality, and are therefore actionable.
Note too: Freedom of Speech does not cover defamation. And note it is not defamation if it is true.
True. For example Ali Mohammed should have been caught long before he actually was, there are legitimate criticisms that can be raised against Bill Clinton’s efforts to fight terrorism. That said, and here is the kicker, lies are not legitimate criticism.
Further, one must also point out that Clinton’s reign saw the arrest of all of the original plotters of the first attack on the WTC, more then one foiled terrorist attack, and eventually it was under Clinton’s watch that they finally jailed the Blind Shiek and Ali Mohammed (Who had actually survived two previous presidents as a spy in America’s military.)
Well lets see, what did Bush do when it came time to investigate 9/11? He tried to block the investigation and further failed to cooperate with several of the investigators into the incident. Further making the whole thing look suspicious is the whole degree of political capital the Bushies reaped from those corpses, including using that to get America into a war that had nothing to do with 9/11. It seems like every question, whether it is on terrorism, governmental checks and balances, or public education nowadays gets answered with “In a post 9/11 world…”
Besides that, the frequent attempts to blame the attacks on the prior administration, and the fact that the Bush worshippers have yet to have assigned even a smidgen of responsibility to Bush for anything, ever, it starts to make some people believe that Bush was behind the whole thing. Frankly, I don’t buy the 9/11 conspiracy, but I also don’t buy that Bush is not a scumbucket.
This goes back far longer then five years, and frankly it is the Radical Right that aimed towards this. Go back to the eighties and the Right was going on about the left, go back to the seventies the Left was talking peace, the right was talking leftwing commies. Go back to the sixties the left was talking equality, the right was talking leftwing commies. Go back to the fifties and the Right was using everything it had to try and throw anybody even remotely leftwing out of the country. (See Charlie Chaplin, Fatty Arbuckle, etc…)
The right has been blaming the left for everything and screaming “Lib’rul Media” when they haven’t gotten away with it for years. This is not a divide of the leftwing’s making, this is a divide of the Rightwing’s making, it has just taken the left this long to admit the divide is there.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:49 amRE: 181 Moore claimed that the Saddam regime “never threatened to attack the United States.†In fact, in 1997 the regime publicly ordered: “American and British interests, embassies, and naval ships in the Arab region should be the targets of military operations and commando attacks by Arab political forces.†On the first anniversary of September 11, Saddam’s regime called for suicide attacks on Americans.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:06 amI’m not claiming that Moore’s movie is full of lies, but several “overstatements” or political slants can be found.
coachjason
Now you get what I have always said. The facts are correct (Technically Saddam never said America should be targetted but rather its interests) but the slant on them is a bit off. Moore overstated his case, and used a whole lot of irrelevant bunk to make his case, but he didn’t outright lie.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:12 amSeptember 11th, on this five year anniversary, is a sad day of remembrance for America.
To use such a national tragedy for propaganda and political purposes by ABC/Disney is shameful, a disgrace to the memory of those innocent victims, and an indication of how deeply seated the Neo-conservative and Evangelical movement is in our government and corporate America.
Those who read the Blogoshpere will never again trust ABC or Disney – and will remember their vicious and distorted representation of 911 to further the interests of the Republican Party. As an individual, I feel disgust, shame and revulsion at their utter disregard for the truth – and it is my hope that after all is said and done, the Mainstream News media will respond appropriately.
Unfortunately, we know that won’t happen, as the MSM is heavily controlled by the Neo-conservatives and the heart and soul of America is at risk – our democracy is under attack from within, and the majority of Americans remain unaware of this danger we all face. It’s up to all of us that inhabit the Blogoshpere to work harder than ever to awaken the rest of America so these criminals and liars can be exposed for who and what they are!
Right-wing Evangelical Christian’s War on Democracy!
September 11th, 2006 at 10:27 amRemember this:
“Samuel R. “Sandy” Berger, a former White House national security adviser, plans to plead guilty to a misdemeanor, and will acknowledge intentionally removing and destroying copies of a classified document about the Clinton administration’s record on terrorism.”
…and Clinton wouldn’t lie either would he…”I did not have sex with that woman…”
September 11th, 2006 at 10:28 am…and this on Sandy Berger…
“The deal’s terms make clear that Berger spoke falsely last summer in public claims that in 2003 he twice inadvertently walked off with copies of a classified document during visits to the National Archives, then later lost them.
He described the episode last summer as “an honest mistake.” Yesterday, a Berger associate who declined to be identified by name but was speaking with Berger’s permission said: “He recognizes what he did was wrong. . . . It was not inadvertent.” “
September 11th, 2006 at 10:29 amUmm, just a point here, with coachjason’s post I have been thinking about it, and that sounds a lot like Mike was indeed lying. Does anybody know where I can send that to claim the $10,000.00 reward? Just figuring its worth a shot.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:33 amBruce, I beg to differ with you but Moore also claimed that Gore won Florida after all the recounts. Whereas a group of newspapers, including the N.Y. Times, concluded after their own investigations that Bush did win Florida in 2000. (I think they said Bush won 6 of the 7 recounts scenarios, or maybe it was 5 of 7. My memory is getting vaguer on that one, but I do recall someone saying that Gore could not have won even after the “hanging chads” incident.) I would say that’s an outright lie… wouldn’t you?
September 11th, 2006 at 10:34 amBruce, I’m not trying to start a war about M Moore, and it’s been a long time since I’ve seen F9/11, I was just pointing out a few things that I remembered…
September 11th, 2006 at 10:38 amcoachjason
The second example I would call a mistake. The first however, I would say that there is a strong case there for calling that a lie. Currently searching Google to see how I can go about claiming that reward… (Hey, I’m a lefty, I have a certain mercenary aspect.)
September 11th, 2006 at 10:39 amBTW Bruce, If I’m right… we split M. Moore’s money 50/50.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:43 amhttp://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16 (His sources, currently reading through it all)
The reason why I figure it was a mistake, rather then a outright lie.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:51 am
Actually, coachjason, the consortium of news agencies to which you refer, including:
* Associated Press
* The New York Times
* The Wall Street Journal
* CNN
* St. Petersburg Times
* The Palm Beach Post
* The Washington Post
* Tribune Company (Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, Orlando, Sentinel, and The Baltimore Sun)
concluded that had all Florida ballots been reviewed, Gore would have won. Unfortunately, the SCOTUS didn’t allow for that option.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:53 amBruce, I find that interesting that both candidates pursued a path of litigation that was detrimental to their winning. Like I said, I didn’t remember things exactly, I was going on memory. obviously my memory isn’t as trustworthy as it used to be. I agree, Moore could have “overstated” his case on that one… probably not an outright lie. Just a misinterpretation. Kinda like the one in the “Path To 9/11″? jk
September 11th, 2006 at 11:00 amGuys guys, I really do not want to get into the merits of M Moore vs the ABC movie. I really am not positive whether everything is absolutely factual or not. What I do know is that I’m sure it would be hard for a guy like M. Moore to make a political movie (being as politically slanted as he is) and not overlook some facts, or in essence, pick and choose the facts that represent his cause. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, I just find it hard to believe.
September 11th, 2006 at 11:04 amYou are right, the statement is in there, but I am not entirely sure he hasn’t covered himself there. That said, I am emailing him to ask him where one can send queries about the reward.
September 11th, 2006 at 11:08 amWhen people spoke of Clinton having been offered bin laden by Sudan, Al Franken for instance (in his book even) said it never happened.
But Clinton himself acknowledged it: (AUDIO LINK BELOW)
“The Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again,” Clinton confirmed during a February 2002 speech to a New York business group.
“They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.”
(perhaps he was unaware that bin Laden was named in a NY indictment for involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing?)
FULL AUDIO HERE: http://www.newsmax.com/clinton2.mp3
September 11th, 2006 at 5:02 pmDid you see the rating s for P 2 9/11 everyone? It came in second place to tie a rerun. LMAO, pretty funny stuff, huh?
Hey eyesore, you should of probably been calling all your neocon friends last night to make sure they were going to be watching instead of wasting all your time on here last night posting your jibberish.
Here’s an idea…..do your calling tonight. Please spare us, we know who you are and what your all about.
September 11th, 2006 at 6:17 pmSo what Mr. Lehman seems to be suggesting a kind of perversion of the golden rule: Do unto liberals as they do unto you. This smacks a bit too much of little kids on the schoolyard in which every perceived offense is returned in kind.
Still, no matter what “liberals” may say about the Bushites, it pales in comparison to the hate-filled rantings of Ann Coulter, high priestess of the neocons. And if one tunes in to ABC talk radio’s flagship New York City station one can hear Clinton villified ad nauseum and blamed for everything from the current deficit to a rise in bedbugs in hotel rooms.
They may say what they want about Clinton, but he did not mislead us into a war, a war which has taken thousands of American lives, as welll as the lives of Iraq civilians, will cost us nearly a trillion dollars, by some conservative estimates, as has managed to destroy a country. All to satisfy Bush and Cheney’s desire to strut militantly through the Muslim world.
September 11th, 2006 at 8:04 pmJust wondering about the joff the wall camera work in this film. Is it meant to purposely distract the rational critical thinking mind so this BS can be dumped right into the psyche (sub-conscious) of those who passively watch it? It seems there is already enough brain washing of the American public already going on.
September 11th, 2006 at 11:29 pmGood for him. You liberals/progressives/lefties are pathetic. After all the cr@p, lies, distortions, half truths, and slander conservatives have had to deal with from Hollywood (Farenheit 9/11, Bowling for Columbine, The Reagans, JFK, not to mention liberal screeds like The American President and The Contender), it’s hard to take you guys seriously when you clamour for fairness and/or accuracy. You are the most closed minded, hypocritical bunch of people out there. You’re the equivilants of a pro-life preachers who pays for his mistress to have an abortion. Pathetic.
September 11th, 2006 at 11:43 pmKyle
It’s funny that I, as a liberal, am thus far the only person I know of to have tried to claim Michael Moore’s reward. Of course, the fact that Liberals don’t have to lie in order to make the Republicans look bad, is kind of a bit of an unfair advantage I admit.
September 12th, 2006 at 1:16 pmBruce,
September 12th, 2006 at 1:41 pmI thought I told you we split that reward!!!! A radio talk show host where I live likes to say “Democrats steal your wallet, Republicans steal your inheritance”. You, Bruce, are trying to steal my inheritance. lol
coachjason
hey, can’t blame a soul for trying. I haven’t managed to get through on the reward yet, but when if do I will share. I am posting under my real name so not doing would be a bit expensive.
September 13th, 2006 at 12:28 pm