Cheney Ignores Senate Intel Report, Cites Zarqawi As Evidence of Iraq/Al Qaeda Connection
Cheney Ignores Senate Intel Report, Cites Zarqawi As Evidence of Iraq/Al Qaeda Connection
On Friday, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report that concluded there was no relationship between Saddam Hussein and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. According to the report, “a CIA assessment in October 2005 concluded that Hussein’s government ‘did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates.’” In fact, Hussein tried to capture Zarqawi.
This morning on Meet the Press, Cheney repeatedly cited Zarqawi as the link between pre-war Iraq and al-Qaeda. When Tim Russert mentioned the Senate Intelligence Committee report, Cheney said he “hadn’t seen it.” Watch it:
Transcript:
CHENEY: You’ve got Iraq and Al Qaeda, testimony from the Director of C.I.A. that there was indeed a relationship — Zarqawi in baghdad. et cetera. Then the
RUSSERT: The committee said there was no relationship. in fact saddam —
CHENEY: I haven’t seen the report. I haven’t had a chance to read it yet.
RUSSERT: But Mr. Vice President the bottom line is…
CHENEY: We know that Zarqawi running the terrost camp in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. After we went in after 9/11, then fled and went to Baghdad and set up operations in Baghdad in the spring of 2002 and was there and then basically until the time we launched into Iraq.
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VP Cheney must either be forced to resign or impeached by the Congress! He has become the most corrupt VP in United States’ history > shame on him!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:08 am‘If his lips are moving…….
September 10th, 2006 at 11:09 am“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
September 10th, 2006 at 11:16 amCheney lives in his own distorted twilight zone. How Americans can stomach this lying sack of shit is beyond me.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:17 am[...] OMFG: Just minutes after that, Dick Cheney goes on Meet The Press and says basically the same thing. Cheney repeatedly cited Zarqawi as the link between pre-war Iraq and al-Qaeda. When Tim Russert mentioned the Senate Intelligence Committee report, Cheney said he “hadn’t seen it.†[...]
September 10th, 2006 at 11:17 amSounds to me like Darth Cheney just admitted to being the reason for Al Qaeda going into Iraq AFTER we ineptly invaded Afghanistan… (after 9/11 by the way) with no plan to capture these folks…
He just said that the insurgency in Iraq is the Bush Regime’s fault.
Where are the police to arrest him for war crimes?
September 10th, 2006 at 11:20 amThe Case for Capturing Osama bin Laden
September 10th, 2006 at 11:25 amThia ass has been rewriting history for the past six years regardless of what intel says or supports. Why did you think today would be any different? Until the November election, everyday will be filled with majical republican retorical bullcrap, spin, and lies. Hopefully it will backfire this time.
PS. Watch for the occassional terra scara and heightened color codes as well.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:26 amThe Case for Capturing Osama bin Laden
September 10th, 2006 at 11:26 amCheney wasn’t lying about not seeing the Senate Report. Knowing he was going to be on television and would be in need of a cover for his ass he closed his eyes and had DUHbya read it to him. That explains his actions today: “See Dick run.”
September 10th, 2006 at 11:30 amCheney is just plain psychotic. He needs to be committed.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:30 amCheney kept referring to Zarqawi being in Baghdad. He was in the no-fly zone. Russert never corrected him.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:32 amFirst I like how this report was put out on a friday to be buried by the chaos of the “the path to 9/11″ hmmm. Now the white house has to get out in front of the report but what a bad job their doing. I could have sworn this video was from 2004 if it wasn’t for Russet mentioning the report. ” Doc Brown watch out for the Libyans ”
Signed
Marty McFly
September 10th, 2006 at 11:33 amThis whole Administration is inept. 5 years after the attack the US has done NOTHING to bring those who planned and financed this tragedy to justice, so blame the democrats and make excuses for your own incompetence.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:35 amTo the stupid people in the worlds stupidist race
Senate reports say Saddam rejected cooperating with terrorists
By Warren P. Strobel and Margaret Talev
McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON – Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein rejected pleas for assistance from Osama bin Laden and tried to capture terrorist Abu Musab al Zarqawi when he was in Iraq, a Senate Intelligence Committee report released Friday found, casting further doubt on the Bush administration’s rationale for invading Iraq.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:38 amIt’s clear they’re just circling the wagons. Someone in the administration has made a calculated decision that their faith-based constituents are going to continue to believe them regardless of the facts – “who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?” – so they might as well just keep on lying. Then, eventually, they can spin it all as a simple matter of “interpretation.”
There are people who are going to believe the administration over every other credible source (or, rather, every MORE credible source), regardless of the incontrovertible facts in front of their faces. That’s the only base Bush et all have left, so they’re shoring it up.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:40 amtesting testimng
September 10th, 2006 at 11:43 am“I believe that we’re seeing the LAST THROES, if you will, of the insurgency in Iraq.”
- Richard Bruce Cheney, 46th Vice President of the United States
September 10th, 2006 at 11:43 amlistening now to stephanopolis (sp?)…
heard the tv ad for the crock-udrama tonight…
guess it’s a go…
nice try, judd, all…
it’s official… this country is … i can’t say it…
September 10th, 2006 at 11:44 amAn Australian guy has posted on another thread that ABC/Disney phony docu-drama is being broadcast > several scenes of Monica with Clinton are shown, so it ends up the film is just a dirty attack on Bill Clinton, and a smear job on Democrats to get Bush off the hook on 9-11-01!
We must all boycott ABC/Disney flick tonight and tomorrow > do NOT watch it! It could even have subliminal messages in it, so do NOT allow your children to view it! The docu-drama is 100% fiction and propaganda!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:44 amAction Alert: Call the BBC, tell them to drop “Path to 9/11″
We can give this one last try!
P.S. TP, Please don’t delete this!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:44 am[...] I love it when you demand obedience to Dear Leader, Marie. I’m feeling an enemy within right now — within my pants! Would you like to see my fifth column? But there was no link, and ABC’s movie is fiction. Moreover, isn’t your demand that everyone support Dear Leader a little bit idolatrous for a self-professed Christian? I mean, that’s no problem for me, atheistic homo liberal abortionist that I am, but I’m sorta surprised at you… You are yin to my yang, Marie, but I think your jackboots are sexy. [...]
September 10th, 2006 at 11:49 amIt is evident that ABC is going to go ahead with the broadcast. I do think ABC/Disney needs to pay for their deceit. Therefore I will boycott all Disney products and associated sponsors of ABC. But, I think this very thread is the most important issue not be addressed by Democrats enough. We need to be just as passionate about this Senate report. It needs to be thrown in peoples faces day after day, to remind them that these criminals in the Bush adminstration need to be brought to justice. All “Path To 9/11″ is…a great distraction. I honestly think it is going to backfire. Especially when the truth about it’s roots are brought to light and who supported this film, and the laws it has broken.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:54 amWhat We Do Now
September 10th, 2006 at 11:57 am…
We must take the energy and awareness created over the last week and funnel it into meaningful ways of taking back control of OUR media. [for one...] Yes, we must organize boycotts of Disney and ABC, and keep up the pressure. We must demand that ABC give equal time to critics of “Path to 9/11.” We can propose programming with historians and investigators, and those who were there as a counter-balance in the coming weeks. We must push ABC News to bring a balanced account of the controversy over their network’s Path to Shame (h/t LATimes). We must do all of these things, but more importantly, we must step back and look at the big picture concerning the need for reform of our whorish corporate media.
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http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/09/what-we-do-now/#more-4410
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Cheney is very comfortable telling lies. It is a waste of time to listen to Cheney.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:59 amIt is a waste of time to talk about the reasons and how and why we invaded Iraq.
We invaded Iraq based on poor leadership and judgement by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice. No matter the reasons it still comes down to it being a bad decision and bad leadership on the part of the White House.
Wouldn’t worry about 9/11. It’s the first week of Football. Anyone who might want to watch this piece of garbage and believe it will be watching 2 games on ESPN on Sunday and 2 games on ESPN on Monday. Ratings will be crap. I think most people do not want to remember 9/11 and will tune it out.
Just look at the Flight 93 and World Trade Center ticket sales. America is sick of people shoving it in our face and we just want to move on.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:01 pmRUSSERT INLEASHED…!!
Shades of Mohammad Ali and “Rope a Dope”…. It was finally good to see Russert hit his stride…!! Cheney could not duck the punches that Tim threw… He could only give muddled innuendos for his responses.
It is quite obvious that Cheney could care less about the thoughts of the American populace… His continual barrage of “I can’t buy that” was an affront to public opinion…. The antics of this lying hubristic administration has made a laughing stock out of the U.S. and set, so called, “Democracy” on its backside…
Tim should of asked what part of “Mission Accomplished”, has been accomplished?”
September 10th, 2006 at 12:08 pmRice and Cheney sittin’ in a tree
Lying yet, to you and me
Won’t admit that they were wrong
Keep on singin’ the same old song
Acting like defiant children, they remind me of playground rhymes.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:16 pm#27: RUSSERT INLEASHED…!!
First, I think you probably mean “unleashed.”
Second, as another poster reminds me, Russert never corrected Cheney when Cheney kept saying that Zarqawi was in Baghdad. In fact, Zarqawi was in the northern no-fly zone, a part of Iraq that had fallen out of Saddam Hussein’s control.
I’d hardly call that a spectacular performance.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:18 pmRussert should have continued, no matter how hard Cheney kept interrupting. Russert should have continued.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:19 pmWe invaded the wrong country!!! How can we be so stupid.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:20 pmA few things to remember: the public no longer believes Bush is honest, polls suggest that the GOP probably can’t win on “security/terrorism”, the media is starting to challenge the Administration, the public likes Clinton more than Bush.
If Democrats play this whole PT911 right and tie in its dishonesty with GOP dishonesty ($40 million to make the movie, no revenue from advertising = GOP commercial), use Clinton and the media effectively, the airing of the fakeudrama could end up helping them much more than the GOP. Let them air the movie, then come back and hit them hard.
The GOP is playing politics with national security, now they’re playing politics with the truth.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:22 pm#27: I wish I could agree that Russert’s performance was as great as you say. He didn’t even correct Cheney’s false claim that Zarqawi “set up operations in Baghdad,” when in fact Zarqawi was in the northern no-fly zone, which was out of Saddam Hussein’s control.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:24 pmDarth Cheney is, was and always will be a lying bastard.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:24 pmHe continues to spout the same lies as he did in the run up to the war, ignoring all evidence to the contrary, denying the existence of evidence, and refusing to acknowledge he may have been “mistaken.”
If there is any balance of good and evil in the world, Cheney is an example why there must be some mighty good people somewhere. He tips the scales of evil pretty far.
But don’t you see? Cheney must kill more than Hitler and Stalin for the Armageddon to come. Millions of Christians, A whole bunch of Jews and all of Islam must be destroyed so the Messiah will come to earth..Dan Quayle thought all the Vietnamese should die to bring about Armageddon, with nuclear bombs no less, of course Dan Quayle was a druggie…Pat Robertson thinks that not only do all of Islam and two thirds of the Jewish religions must die but also those Mayans must die for the supreme re-born ones to live forever in peace!
[Guy is crazy as Hitler]
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Oh and BTW Mr. Cheney, your so full of __it I can smell you from here. Stop being such a fool Dick.
The good book tells us that the love of money is the root of all evil — but don’t tell an insane fundie wacko that. That is, those countries that are poor is because Jesus, who turned the tables of the money changers, now has all these followers, who need great sums of Satans money to do God’s work by killing those poor heathens. Twisted eh?
Oh and it’s not just muslims and the jews who must die for these people to earn their way into heaven,, it’s also those poor mayans that must die also so that they too can help bring about Armegeddon, you know those guys that killed people for their God just like the Robertsons who kill for their God?
I have a hard time telling the poor heathens from the wealthy Christians. The both seem to operate on the same level of insanity..to wit;
Pat Robertson used his Christian Broadcasting Network to raise money for EfraÃn RÃos Montt, the evangelical Christian who presided over the Guatemala’s 1982 genocide, which killed over a hundred thousand Mayan Indians.
Wheee Hooo The crazies are here!
Jerry Falwell, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Phyllis Schlafly and Oliver North, along with evangelical capitalists such as Amway founder Richard DeVos, founded the Council for National Policy in 1981, which, as the Religious Right’s steering committee in the 1980s, was deeply involved in Reagan’s Central American exploits. Christian businessmen raised money for arms and humanitarian work and funded the myriad organizations that worked closely with the White House to sway public opinion and congressional votes in favor of Reagan’s policy in El Salvador and Nicaragua.
Whoo Weee, Boy I sure am glad I’m just a normal Christian, I have no IDEA what the heck these people, like Cheney are thiinking, I guess they want to go to Hell….and well you know I am sure Satan, and his love of money, has a special place for these folks.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:26 pmEither this guy (Cheney) knows stuff nobody else knows, or hes totally full of sh*t, you make the call.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:29 pmOn Tuesday every decent American citizen must boycott ABC and Disney! Do NOT ever watch anything on ABC and call your cable provider to remove the Disney channel from your lineup of stations! Do NOT visit any Disney theme parks in Florida or California! Do NOT buy any Disney merchandise! Do NOT pay to watch Disney flicks at movie theaters! If you own Disney stock, then sell it now!
ABC and Disney must be forced into complete bankruptcy for foisting propaganda onto our children to help the vile Bush Regime and the GOP!
September 10th, 2006 at 12:34 pmCheney: Liar Extrordanaire
Wow some folks just keep believing this stuff. Sad sad for America
September 10th, 2006 at 12:38 pmOf course Zarwacky was the connection, let’s just ask him… D”OH! Right now unfortunately I’d believe Saddam more than our VP. So maybe we should just ask Saddam a few questions before they execute him.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:42 pmhow old is this intelligence report? it was only declassified on friday, so cheney and all the others had access to it and all the info in it for years. so for him to say he hasn’t read it is totally disingenuous, or rather an outright lie, like pretty much everything that escapes his piehole.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThis is called “conscious incompetence” and Cheney is the poster child for it.
Since when is the excuse (lie) of not reading a report as integral to this government a reason or rationale for not discussing it? If one of my employees did that, they’d be fired on the spot!
It’s really called “culpable negligence” in legal terms and he can be impeached on those mere grounds or sued for “specific performance of his job”.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmCondi “doesn’t recall seeing a report” and Cheney “hasn’t seen” the Senate Intelligence Report. They’re liars or incompetent, or both. We deserve to get waxed again with leaders like these.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:44 pmRE:Cheney…Obviously, not all horses asses are on the horses. This man gives every evidence of being a serial liar just like his boss. It is time for these sorry specimens to go. IMPEACH NOW.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:51 pmEither this guy (Cheney) knows stuff nobody else knows, or hes totally full of sh*t, you make the call.
Comment by For Truth
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The old fart sits in an office all day.
And if what he hears doesn’t fit his twisted reality, well he just ignores it and makes up new reasons, yellowcake, WMD, mushroom clouds..etc etc etc…
Heck Bush listens to that ex-cia analyst and AEI fraud Gerecht [aka Shirley] that hid in the back of a truck in the middle east, and we all know how much you can see from the back of a truck, right?
September 10th, 2006 at 12:57 pm==
Today, the neoconservative IRD is a key player in the Bush coalition, working hard to discredit liberal religious organizations that oppose Bush’s wars. Two of its theologians — Michael Novak and Richard Neuhaus — have provided the White House with key spiritual guidance, theologically defending not just American militarism but the free-market fundamentalism and orgy of wealth accumulation that underwrites that militarism. The IRD, it turns out, was founded in 1981 by intellectuals associated with the American Enterprise Institute and advised by PR firms contracted by the White House. –Greg Gandin
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You see they even hate Christianity and will do anything to silence us normal Christians that don’t buy into this insanity of Armageddon and perpetual war.
These people embrace some crazy form of Christianity that I, and many others, don’t know or approve of.
AEI [American Enterprise $$ for war$$ Institute] seems to be anti-religious.
When Tim Russert mentioned the Senate Intelligence Committee report, Cheney said he “hadn’t seen it.â€
He wiped his ass on it this morning…
September 10th, 2006 at 1:00 pmIt could be only the regular voices in my head, but I keep thinking I hear Jon Stewart’s impression of “Dick” Cheney in the background.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:04 pmThere are mannerisms that are telltale signs of lying. Watch the film again and you will see them.
Cheney knows what he says is untrue – he is a damned liar.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThank God, my t.v. has a mute button.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:09 pmEvery time, Bush, Chenny, Rummy and not at last Ms. Rice. I envoke my right and hit the mute button.
Cheney also repudiated the fact that Pakistan has explicitly made its own separate peace with bin Laden. Russert asked him about the territory/amnesty for peace deal arranged between Musharraf and Osama this past week (something that the other Sunday shows failed to mention at all) and Cheney blurted out that “he didn’t believe it” and then equivocated with something along the lines of “well, that territory has historically been a no-mans land anyway”.
Sadly, Russert just let the matter rest there. Interesting, however, Russert did a better job than usual holding the administration’s feet to the fire on other matters.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:09 pmCheney also repudiated the fact that Pakistan has explicitly made its own separate peace with bin Laden. Russert asked him about the territory/amnesty for peace deal arranged between Musharraf and Osama this past week (something that the other Sunday shows failed to mention at all) and Cheney blurted out that “he didn’t believe it” and then equivocated with something along the lines of “well, that territory has historically been a no-mans land anyway”.
Sadly, Russert just let the matter rest there. Interesting, however, Russert did a better job than usual holding the administration’s feet to the fire on other matters.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:09 pmWe know that Zarqawi running the terrost camp in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. After we went in after 9/11, then fled and went to Baghdad and set up operations in Baghdad in the spring of 2002 and was there and then basically until the time we launched into Iraq.
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That makes no sense whatsoever.
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Zarqawi, one man, was in Afghanistan, so we blew the crap outta the people, and Zarqawi fled to Baghdad, so we blew the crap out of more people., missed him again, and now he’s fled to Pakistan, Georges fledgling Democracy, so know we are gonna blow the crap outta alot more people in Pakistan, or maybe Iran, probably both, alot of dead people but we are gonna keep starting wars with nations and killing innocent people, by the thousands, in lebanon too, so we gotta kill all these innocent people so we can kill one man, just one Terrorist is worth thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, see? Zarqawi, and Syria, he’s in Syria too, and Saudi, every where but Saudi, no terrorists come from Saudi., so we wont bomb Saudi, not yet anyway, and yes Osama was a Saudi, but he’s in a cave, and well we will kill more people and spend trillions of dollars to create more hatred for America..Yes, thats the plan, to build bases and blow the crap outta everyone who isn’t a reborn wacko fundie armageddonist, white reborn wackos that is, Even the Jewish folks gotta get blasted, see George says the Jewish will burn in hell, and eventually the Jewish must die for us reborn saints of death, you see?? -Dick Chainme
September 10th, 2006 at 1:13 pmIMPEACH HELL!
September 10th, 2006 at 1:20 pmINDICT!
Does Judd believe that disagreeing with the assessments of partisan Senate Democrats on the Intelligence Committee is not allowed? Apparently the 1st Amendment doesn’t apply at ThinkProgress. No surprise there.
And earlier CIA assessments said Iraq had stockpiles of WMD. Judd is disingenuously cherry-picking the intel. Again, no surprise there.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:24 pmZarqawi is dead, you ignoramus.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pm“disagreeing with the assessments of partisan Senate Democrats on the Intelligence Committee is not allowed?”
You like disagreeing with the 911 report? Hypocrite.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:31 pmDisagreeing with the 911 report makes one a hypocrite??? What an ignoramus.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:34 pmThe greatest country in the world, run by a bunch of ignoramuses who feel the only truth is the truth that best fits thier own agenda and mandates. How we’ve made it 6 years without even considering impeaching or trying these morons for abuse of power and their countless lies is beyond me.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:35 pmCheney went on to say that there’s evidence of a direct link between Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:36 pmThe real conspiracy is why in the name of hell does the press cover every word that comes out of these jokers? Cheney’s approval rating is in the 20%’s and Bush’s is in the middle 40%’s, they are basically irrelevent. Why does the press give them a free forum to spread their propaganda.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:41 pmClassic projection. Maybe a good shrink could help you.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:43 pmToo funny – I heard Schumer announce the “fighting Dems” plan for Iraq – pull troops out of the fight, and hide them in barracks and bunkers. Why don’t you just pull them back to Okinawa, if you are going to do that? Without US troops embedded with Iraqi troops, Iraq will fall to the insurgents.
Let’s face it – Dems just aren’t willing to deal with the harsh realities of the world today – even on the 5th anniversary of the largest terrorist attack the West has ever witnessed.
I understand the attraction of reaching back to a time when the US could enjoy the peace and prosperity that we had in the 80’s and 90’s, but the coming conflicts were taking shape even then – they just hadn’t reached the continental US.
Whether its civil rights or isolationism, the Dems are a party of the past – the Reps are willing to deal with the problems of today and the future.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:43 pmCheney has been telling lies with impugnity for way too long. There is something pathological about this. I don’t lie on my job because a) I have a moral obligation to other people, b) being honest is ultimately good for business and my professional credibility and c) my personal values are that lying is unethical. What kind of man can lie repeatedly…know he’s lying…know that others know he’s lying…and live with himself? How does he rationalize what he does and says with any sort of wholesome self efficacy? I’d put Rummy is this same select lying sack of shit group. How do these guys live with themselves? They’re a laughing stock; they have no integrity; they are neither well liked nor respected; no one with an I.Q. above double digits believes anything they say. But, by god, they’re rich and their family members and cronies are rich.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:49 pm#59, brad,
Once again, how “progressive” can you be, when you demand others be silenced? Dick Cheney is Vice President of the United States – your Vice President, if you claim to be a citizen of this country, and you demand he not be heard?
You are nothing but a communist / fascist, demanding the removal of liberties from those who offer a viewpoint different from yours.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:52 pmMaybe a good shrink could help you.
Comment by USA PATRIOT
Yours hasn’t done much for you…
September 10th, 2006 at 1:52 pmTomorrow, I will be giving a lecture to my class on the structural collapse of the towers. I will also tell them that the documentary on ABC is factually incorrect. Same as another so-called documentary on the subject.
If nothing else, I have learned that the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Rarely are the extremists ever even close, or rational.
This is why I remain an Independent who will vote for the right person for the job, regardless of labels. Not all conservatives are evil, and not all liberals are right. It’s about weighing the facts and the evidence and deciding for yourself.
I hope, in time, that this will become evident to the rest of this country. That there is no label that is infallable, nor a side that is ‘blessed’. Just a universe of variables that is what it is. And where ‘right’ is merely a perception.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:57 pmAnyone so desperate to self-indulge that he no longer cares about the truth isn’t a true American. And anyone who enthusiastically deceives the citizenry he took an oath to protect in order to fill his personal wish list is, quite simply, a traitor. There is no counterargument.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:00 pmMr. Hendler,
I realize there is no exact science in setting policy in dealing with problems of the Middle East, however, are we not in a Democratic society now where the majority rules? And it appears the majority feel your way is not working.
Its interesting you accuse the left of wanting to live in the past and cannot deal with change. One of the fundamental concepts of conservatism is disinterest in change.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:02 pmThe Angry Left has been telling lies with impugnity for way too long. There is something pathological about this.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:02 pmJason you are digging up the classic lame talking points, all projection today, you are acting as desperate as your uncle Dick is.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:03 pm#65, unbee,
Your opinion on the documentaries has absolutely no place in that classroom. That said, it is left leaning profs like you that have created so many young Republicans. You wouldn’t know it, because students are wise enough to hide their opinions from those profs that would lower their grades, consciously or subconsciously, based on their party affiliation.
You can learn to be a professional, and keep those opinions to yourself, are continue creating more and more Republicans.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:04 pmThe big lie must continue. Tell it until it becomes truth.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:04 pmhello testing
September 10th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#66, GI,
LOL – no counterargument to what? your opinion? your statement?
Ann Coulter has articles and books on you illiberal liberals? To say their is NO counterargument is to say “You are not allowed to state your opinion now that I have stated mine”. You progressives are communists / fascist that want to suppress alternative views – will you go as far as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot? Are you willing to kill to silence those with a different viewpoint?
September 10th, 2006 at 2:07 pmOkay, I watched my Vice President this morning (why Oh why? My President has said that there is sometimes a patriotic reason for torture, so I did submit and forced myself to watch the Penguin…)
Let me see if I’ve got all this stuff right…when we distill everything we have learned this week and will learn when we watch the historical douchementary PT911 tonight… What I will learn is Dems are soft on Terror, Dems support Hitler, Dems caused 9/11, Dems and their Democrat Party and the treasonous Democrat Party Appeasers (like Adolf McCain, and Josef Warner, Heinrich Graham, Benito Russert, Eva Couric, Hermann Gregory, Katrina Van den Heueval with her anti-American, anti-Government name) and all of their ilk are the Enemies of the State, and of Our Dear Leader who is the State.
I’m still trying to figure out how we all moved to North Korea, but I know that too much thinking is counterproductive to the State. I am ashamed. I confess. I will spend more time watching our Dear Voice of Truth, Bill O’Reilly on the Fox State Network.
All Hail Our Dear Leader!
September 10th, 2006 at 2:12 pmOnce again, how “progressive†can you be, when you demand others be silenced? Dick Cheney is Vice President of the United States – your Vice President, if you claim to be a citizen of this country, and you demand he not be heard?
September 10th, 2006 at 2:12 pmYou are nothing but a communist / fascist, demanding the removal of liberties from those who offer a viewpoint different from yours.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler===============================
Free speech doesn’t cover the deliberate spread of lies and propaganda. Cheney doesn’t just have a different viewpoint he is lying. An American, more so the vice president, has no right to lie.
#67, For Truth,
It is disingenuous to call for pulling troops out of the fight, but keeping them in Iraq, as if you aren’t effectively doing the same thing as pulling them to Okinawa. If you truly believe we should be out of Iraq, then have the courage of your convictions to state your position.
As for what the majority believes, before every election, Dems spout what they say the majority believes, but proceed to lose the election. Busby’s race was a great example of this. Your polls are another disingenuous statement, trying to bend reality to your designs.
Yes, we will see who and what the majority opinion is in November, and now that more and more Dem seats are becoming competitive, it appears any Democratic takeover of either house of congress appears less likely. This shouldn’t be a surprise, as Hill’reh didn’t want any takeover to occur, because it would hurt her chances to become president.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:15 pmHow far down the rabbit hole is this guy?
September 10th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI thought we were shunning the Ignoramus Hendler.
Did I miss another memo…?
September 10th, 2006 at 2:17 pmLet’s face it – Dems just aren’t willing to deal with the harsh realities of the world today – even on the 5th anniversary of the largest terrorist attack the West has ever witnessed.
I understand the attraction of reaching back to a time when the US could enjoy the peace and prosperity that we had in the 80’s and 90’s, but the coming conflicts were taking shape even then – they just hadn’t reached the continental US.
Whether its civil rights or isolationism, the Dems are a party of the past – the Reps are willing to deal with the problems of today and the future.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
So, let me understand your position – you believe that bombing the crap out of other countries is a responsible foreign policy?
There is no doubt that things were much better in the 90’s – when Clinton was in office – love him or hate him, he did a good job even when Repubs were out to get him at every turn.
I’m not a historian, but I think true historians will judge Clinton as one of our better presidents, but how they’ll judge Bush – well – I think the state of things speak for themselves.
As for the current problems – I think Bush et. al. have brought it on – remember Bush saying “Bring ‘em on!” – and they did. You don’t make people happy by bombing them, and while there ARE people in the world who want to kill us, Bush’s policies haven’t done anything to make us safer.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#74, btru,
Republicans are happy to have Dems state their opinions out loud, how else can we get you to suppress your own voter turnout? Moreover, for decades, all news outlets pushed the liberal agenda without any opposing views, until talk radio and Fox News arrived on the scene.
Democrats will claim every Republican statement to either be a lie, or racist, or sexist, or homophobic or any other adjective to cause minorities to close their ears and not hear an opposing view, meanwhile, those minorities are losing ground economically. Your destructive behaviours hurt those closest to you.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:20 pmNo matter what happens > do NOT watch the GOP funded ABC/Disney phony docu-drama tonight, nor tomorrow night either! It is pure 100% fiction and propaganda, and could have subliminal messages that could brainwash young children’s minds, so do NOT watch it > PERIOD.
And do NOT watch the phony address by Bush tomorrow night!
September 10th, 2006 at 2:25 pmDetails are emerging about a horrific tragedy that has recently unfolded in the village of Abaria, just across the Canadian border, north of Grand Forks, North Dakota. A large orphanage there lies in ruins after North Dakotan authorities crossed the border to mount a raid on the facility.
Residents of North Dakota, have long known that the proprietor of the Daghbad Orphanage, Shane Madussi, along with his fellow administrators, have been abusing their young charges, both physically and sexually, but have been powerless to do anything about it – until North Dakota’s lieutenant governor, K. “Chic†Deney received top secret information that a legion of giant robots was being built in the basement of Daghbad and that Shane Madussi was planning to use this army of robotic soldiers to seize and annex the entire state of North Dakota.
Upon receiving this information from his second-in-command, Governor Greg Shubeo called up all active members of North Dakota’s police force and National Guard and ordered an attack on the facility. An intense standoff ensued in which the orphanage was burned to the ground. 175 of the institution’s 350 orphans were killed either in the fire or in the erratic gun battle between law enforcement and orphanage staff.
Many of the children who survived were swept off the streets by other pedophiles who escaped from a maximum security prison on the U.S. side of the border after being left unattended by state personnel who were called in to assist in the initial raid.
As it turned out, the orphanage did not have a basement, but the governor continues to assert that Daghbad had been a dire threat to his state’s security. “We know that Shane really liked that Star Wars where the giant robots were, like, trudging through the snow and…uh, shootin’ stuff.â€
Shane Madussi and several of his henchmen were rounded up within a week of the raid, giving the governor and lieutenant governor some degree of protection from their detractors, but when asked about the faulty information about the robots, K. “Chic†Deney had this to say:
“Canada and North Dakota are better, safer places now that Shane Madussi is no longer operating an orphanage. Certainly we can be sure that at least 175 fewer children are being molested and beaten.â€
September 10th, 2006 at 2:25 pmYour opinion on the documentaries has absolutely no place in that classroom.
Yes it does. It’s why I joined a Charter School. The liberal version of Christian Schools teaching tehir opinions (ID) in the classroom. Don’t like it? Too bad.
That said, it is left leaning profs like you that have created so many young Republicans.
Stop blaming other people for your choices in life. Really, do you EVER accept responsibility for anything?
Besides, it’s not about me being ‘left’, it’s about me refuting the extreme right (this ’show’) and the extreme left (’Loose Change’) with the moderate view point.
Frankly, that was what my entire post was about, but as usual, you argue on emotion and not reality.
You wouldn’t know it, because students are wise enough to hide their opinions from those profs that would lower their grades, consciously or subconsciously, based on their party affiliation.
Are you really that pathetic? Unlike you, I don’t judge them on their party affiliation as I myself am an Independent, and don’t know my student’s political affliations. I grade their papers on content.
You can learn to be a professional, and keep those opinions to yourself, are continue creating more and more Republicans.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 10, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
I am extremely professional. Nothing to learn.
And your scare tactics don’t work on me Jason. I know that by teaching my students to value facts and based their opinions upon them rather than emotions that I am actually helping to create liberals – as reality has a liberal bias. It’s why you’re pitching your temper tantrum. ‘Cause if I were really helping your side, you would be trying to stop me. (See how logic works…? It beats you EVERY time Jason.)
Live with it.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:28 pmThe Con in Conservatives
September 9, 2006
The front page article “Senate panel disputes prewar claims†by Greg Miller is closing in on the Bush administration by drawing the curtain back, revealing the sordid deception and treachery in how this administration got this country into a war in Iraq. The big ticket items such as Iraq’s involvement with al-Qaida and its intentions to use WMDs against the United States were non-existence. The source of this intelligence didn’t come from the CIA but from the Iraqi National Congress, at the basement of the Pentagon, created by an Iraqi exile named Ahmad Chalabi and Vice-President Dick Cheney. In short, every assertion the Bush administration made for the war in Iraq was a lie. Bush, Cheney, and Remsfeld went out of their way to either to ignore or refute counter intelligence from the CIA’s position that Iraq never had any WMDs at the time or was involved with the destruction of the World Trade Center. What’s worse is all this was available to the public before the war but the right wing as well as the mainstream media kept the light off the truth but was unable to bury it. That’s why there was a movement against the war before it happen. It’s obvious now why Senator Pat Roberts buried this revelation during the presidential election of 2004.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:28 pm#85, MrTimPA,
Clinton inhereted a growing economy from Bush Sr., who led the first campaign in the first Gulf War, to suppress Saddam’s aggression in that region. With a growing economy, and the US’s demonstrated military might in the world, no successor could have failed economically or militarily. Unfortunately, Clinton’s successor didn’t inherit the same advantages. Clinton made the US look weak again by getting our butts kicked in Somolia, and the high tech bubble was set to burst, with NAFTA allowing manufacturing and textiles to completely move offshore (not a bad thing, considering unions controlled those industries, so it was all going to fail anyway).
History will look at Clinton as the epitome of the baby boomers – self indulgent and self-important, without ever learning the lessons of the greatest generation who fought and won WWII – nothing great comes without work and sacrifice.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:32 pm[...] Would it be toooooo much to ask Dick Cheney to read a Senate Intelligence Committee report before he goes on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and he again says there is, there is, there is a link between Zarqawi, Zarqawi TM and Saddam Hussein? Apparently. Tim Russert really nailed Cheney on this one. CHENEY: Tim, I’m too busy already knowing The Real Truth on this. [...]
September 10th, 2006 at 2:37 pmHistory will look at Clinton as the epitome of the baby boomers – self indulgent and self-important, without ever learning the lessons of the greatest generation who fought and won WWII – nothing great comes without work and sacrifice.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 10, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
Maybe. But his history will be dwarfed by that of George W. Bush’s legacy of corruption, mass-murder and lies.
Bush has made the other 42 presidents before him all look like Saints, including Clinton (who I am not a fan of).
Lowering the bar any further than the Chimp has done will be a very laborious task. Let’s hope no one does.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:40 pmJason Hendler stated a few days ago that he wants to see all liberals “totally destroyed”.
I think we should not reply to someone that seems to personally seek and call for our physical destruction.
He needs to be ignored like the sicko he is.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:50 pmMy brother Lendler, I agree!
I, too, remain confused by the minorities allegience to the failed anti-State Democrat Party and their ilk. Minorities are odd, lemming-like people who do not seem to have the strength, intelligence, character or moral courage to know when to open their ears and listen to our Dear Voices of Truth. ( Our O’Reilly, Our Limbaugh, Our Blond Gibson, and Our Cavuto on Business) If they had more backbone, they would stop relying on Welfare, Homosexual Special Rights, and playing their Race Cards and join us in the prosperity of our Dear Leader’s great State Economic Boom. If they would only open their ears and watch Fox, they too could be rich through hard work, wise financial investment and careful stewardship of their Trusts. Being Rich and a Right-thinking Republican is only one flipped foreclosed property away! You Minorities – Take Courage! Make Money! Be Free!
God Bless America, God Bless Our Beneficent State.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:53 pmIt is disingenuous to call for pulling troops out of the fight, but keeping them in Iraq, as if you aren’t effectively doing the same thing as pulling them to Okinawa. If you truly believe we should be out of Iraq, then have the courage of your convictions to state your position.
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How easy your arguments are to debunk.
Cut and Run Bush sr ran from Iraq,,,leaving Saddam in power? Yes?
Nixon Cut and Run from Vietnam..Yupp sure did, lost that warby pulling out the troops, but yeh the liberal media made poor weak Ronny pull out.
Reagan, after the ‘islamofascists’ killed all those marines sleeping in a bunker..pulled out. Another Quit and Run and the ‘islamofacists’, as you idiots redefine fascism, so they could once again grow stronger.
So Jason, that’s three cut and runners right there.
Now, you were trying to prove that Republicans don’t cut ans run? Why I just proved the opposite, didn’t I?
So much for your Republican ‘he-man theory’, Jason and ChickenHawks.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:15 pmIf they would only open their ears and watch Fox, they too could be rich through hard work, wise financial investment and careful stewardship of their Trusts. Being Rich and a Right-thinking Republican is only one flipped foreclosed property away! You Minorities – Take Courage! Make Money! Be Free!
God Bless America, God Bless Our Beneficent State.
Comment by Fig Leaf
LMAO that’s the funniest sarcasm I have ever read, good job, and keep bashing those republicans! Hilarious!!
September 10th, 2006 at 3:17 pmDear Fig,
God has already damned you to the ingorance of self righteous indignation and bigotry.
Continue in your state of self promoting ignorance. Keep in mind that others view your closed mindedness and backwards views with the same indignation.
Carry “brother” of the Aryans.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:19 pmOh wait, it was sarcasm? Why yes of course.
Ignorance be mine.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:21 pmFig leaf must be a parody of a right wing commentator. No-one is that daft.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:21 pmIf there was a terrorist training camp in Iraq before 9/11, wasn’t it in Kurdish territory, which was not subject to Saddam’s rule?
September 10th, 2006 at 3:26 pmWhat history book is Jason reading? lmao You can go to the White House website and find out what legislation and programs Clinton put in place for Bush Jr. You can also find congressional records about the Republicans reactions to legislation like the Omnibus Counterterrorism Bill. As for Bush Sr, omg you have got to be kidding, right, I mean really you think Bush Sr. was a good president? pmsl Jason is a real comedian, I heard it all now.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:27 pmIt is disingenuous to call for pulling troops out of the fight
Bush Sr, accoding to Jason is disingenous
Reagan, according to our resident expert, is disingenous
Nixon, acording to our ‘liberal media’ conspiracy theorist, Jason, is also Disingenous.
The war that we ‘won’ according to pur expert Jason, WWII was a fight against fascism and ethnic cleansing, whom, fact, was financed, in part, by the Bush family.
George Bush Jr. says that all Jewish people need to burn in Hell, much like what old Adolph Hitler said..Bush Jr also blames the Jewish people for his father not being re-elected.
So Jason if a Right winger helps to finance Hitler what does that make him? A fascist, rig.. er, I mean Reich? So the Right wingnuts in America helped to finance a war, just so many people here, could lose family members? That is the very type of people you support Jason actually helped to kill many Americans. How un American is that?
How unAmerican are you Jason to hate 70% of America for the very fascists you support today?
Are just that ignorant of history or do you just have selective memory?
Oh and so you know Jason, I am white, I have Blue eyes, and I am of a German heritage, my last name meaning ‘dust’. And even I, of Germanic descent, Find you and Bush despicable.
Now leave JASON. please, just leave. I don’t care how, Just leave.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:28 pmMichelle,
Jason gets cranky when presented with way to look at facts not offered by Ann Coulter, Michael Crichton or Fox. It’s just the kind of troll he is.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:30 pmI see that the truth has Hendler writhing in agony again. Son, it’s gonna get worse before it gets better.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:31 pmImpeach and Indict!
September 10th, 2006 at 3:33 pmZooey,
It’s cool, its the best laugh I had all day. If the comedy wasn’t so bittersweet it would be much more enjoyable today! The sad reality of it all, is that Jason is part of the percentage of Americans that are ignorant of the truth. Who refuse to research and gain knowledge. They have blind patriotism. The believe their leaders would not steer them wrong. That is a tragedy, not a comedy.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:34 pmNow leave JASON. please, just leave. I don’t care how, Just leave.
Comment by Jason Quit and Run
Wow. I hope that works. In all seriousness, we never just asked him to leave like that.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:35 pmMichelle,
You’re right, they are persistent and blind in their belief, and resist ideas in any form.
Glad I could give you a laugh. I’m here to serve. :)
September 10th, 2006 at 3:38 pmand you rarely disappoint, Zooey!
September 10th, 2006 at 3:41 pmIt isn’t that Jason is merely ignorant of the truth. I think he knows the truth. But Jason has a fundamental character flaw shared by many Republicans: he cannot, under any circumstances, admit that he has been wrong in his support of the administration. It is a sign of a petty and intellectually weak-willed person.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:44 pmtrue,
:-)
September 10th, 2006 at 3:46 pmYou’re right, RealScientist, Jason does not care if what he believes is right or wrong. He is a person who admits he is able to suspend his faith in order to accomplish his mission — destroying the left. That is sick…
September 10th, 2006 at 3:48 pmDon’t forget to vote!
September 10th, 2006 at 4:10 pmJason Hendler and those of his ilk cause terrorism.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:16 pmThis man is batshit crazy.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:19 pmWheee the Trolls are out in force on this one.
Very high pitched and shrill though, that’ll happen when your arsehole is puckered so tight with fear of exposure.
Oddly enough we don’t really get real Trolls in Old Europe, must be a ridicule thing.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:19 pm#47 – There are mannerisms that are telltale signs of lying. Watch the film again and you will see them.
Comment by Eargy Earpp — September 10, 2006 @ 1:06 pm
Eargy, Cheney is a machine. What you saw were not mannerisms but temporary drops in hydraulic pressure as his system’s monitoring resources where siphoned off to meet the load required when his ‘lie on the fly’ programs went into hyper-drive. Russert wasn’t licking boots as much as he normally does. In another example of poor planning on the part of the administration, they sent him to the studio with only his battery for a job that called for his power cord.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:22 pmLIE NO MATTER WHAT – HE’S A LIE MACHINE
If you repeat a lie enough, enough people will believe it to win you an election. This will work IF enough people will 1. not keep up with the news, or be deprived of it by watching only FOX, and 2. Refuse to believe the truth because it would upset their belief system.
Cheney knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s in lie machine mode. It’s truly amazing to watch, and sickening to.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:23 pmIt seems Dick Cheney lives in an alternate dimension. It would be called Opposite Land. Everything that comes out of his mouth is the opposite to the truth. Maybe he’s from “Alice in Wonderland”…..I don’t have the words to express myself as a civilized human about how I feel about Dick Cheney….
September 10th, 2006 at 4:30 pmDick Cheney is full aware of the truth!!! But he is a lying sack of monkey shit so he continues to lie, lie, lie about everything!!!!
September 10th, 2006 at 4:51 pm“Fig leaf must be a parody of a right wing commentator. No-one is that daft.
Comment by UKBristolDave — September 10, 2006 ”
Don’t let the side down mate, we Brits are supposed to able to spot sarcasm, irony and satire at a thousand paces. Know what I mean? ;-)
September 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pmJason, I can’t help but laugh. In the past few days you’ve been defending ABC’s right to air a film which contains, according to everyone other than the film’s producers, blatant falsehoods (and, the film’s producers have never really denied those accusations … so, there’s little, if any, debate on the topic). Now that folks at TP criticize Cheney for perpetuating lies about Saddam and al Qaeda, you squeal like a big … How dare we accuse poor little Dick Cheney (of whom 80% of the country disapproves) of lying. Why, that’s just mean!
Seems your skin isn’t all that thick when a Republican is the object of criticism.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:15 pmCheney is the most dangerous criminal in the U.S. He is dangerous because he has the power to lead this country into disasterous adventurous. When it was his time to serve, he ran away like a coward.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:16 pmer, that should be “squeal like a pig …” (No. 126)
September 10th, 2006 at 5:16 pmHey, Cheney, what’d they do with Zarqawi’s peg leg after they killed him? Wasn’t he supposed to have had his leg amputated in Bagdad – thus, giving rise to Bush’s statement that a top-level al Qaeda operative received medical treatment under Saddam’s watch?
Gee, you could have at least donated Zarqawi’s prosthesis to Walter Reid Hospital …
September 10th, 2006 at 5:32 pmCheney’s brain dead….I think his circulation to his brain needs to be checked….he’s asleep on his feet and deserves to be ousted.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:48 pmHow about “Cheney Implies He’s the source of the Plame Leak“
Why isn’t this bigger news???
September 10th, 2006 at 5:49 pmNarcoleptic Cheney – er…um….er…um….or is it rampid Cheney? Or ekaleptic cheney? Pick your diagnosis.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:49 pmHey mugsy….you know the answer to that question….how can this be mainstream news when they’re all “on the take”? Just yesterday they outed 10 being paid by the feds…..don’t believe a thing you read in the newspapers (if it comes from the Admin, believe just the opposite because down the road you will find out that the opposite is true) and believe half of what you hear….This has become an administration of total corruption.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:51 pmThe leg is probably on some Republicans desk…perhaps Rumsfeld, doesn’t he like keeping trophies illegally?
September 10th, 2006 at 5:52 pm“Zarqawi was the incarnation of the famous ‘Lost 12th Mouseketeer-Imam’ of Karbala. Drove the Zamboni at ‘The Pond’ in Anaheim prior to joining Taliban in 1999.” Jason Leopold, TruthOut, 9/10/06
September 10th, 2006 at 5:54 pmWhat is interesting about Zarqawi is the general disagreement between Eurpoe and US views on what his involvement and goals were.
He was anti-Saddam when allied with the Kurdish terrorist group Ansar El Islam. The Kurds have their own group fighting for nationalism – hence the recent bombings in Turkey and US promises to help with intelligence to stop them.
What a complicated mess.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm
September 10th, 2006 at 6:08 pmGo phoque yourself Mr. Cheney.
September 10th, 2006 at 6:20 pmThat’s it!! No more talking… when is something going to be done about this crap?!?
September 10th, 2006 at 6:43 pmThe most dangerous thing I keep hearing people talk about in the media, on blogs and in daily conversations is how the administration is incompetent. I wish people would think a bit more about it, educate themselves a little more and realize that they are the most successful presidency ever in accomplishing their goals.
1. Fed Reserve is profiting off us like never before.
2. Mititary industrial complex is profitting like never before.
3. Oil companies are profitting like never before.
4. Phamaceuticals are profitting like never before.
These are their core constituents. The people who got them elected. They know exactly what they are doing and are amazingly good at it.
If you want an eye opener, watch: “American Freedom to Fascism” The best documentary I have ever seen on the topic of our democracy. Be warned though, you may not sleep well for a long time after watching it.
Stream or download it here:
September 10th, 2006 at 6:49 pmhttp://www.truthstream.org/?cat=212
Comment by Stupid Git — September 10, 2006 @ 6:49 pm
Git I think most of us believe the principals behind Bush are evil and very smart. Bush however is incompetent. And some could argue both evil and incompetent, if the Administration was truely smart they wouldn’t keep getting caught breaking the law, we’d never have even known any of these things like FISA violations, torture, renditions, murders if they were really really smart.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:14 pm[...] Bush needs to shore up his flagging popularity and help everyone forget about his incompetence over Katrina. According to his team only Republicans can deal with terrorism and their opponents suffer “moral and intellectual confusion”. This is amusing coming from an administration that not only continues to fudge issues but also to pounce on idiotic events as a mark of progress. [...]
September 10th, 2006 at 7:22 pmTo say that someone considered “less than intelligent” in his decision making actually “ignores intelligence” is an oxymoron, isn’t it? Or perhaps it simply garden-variety moron and forget about the oxy??
September 10th, 2006 at 7:23 pmAfter the debacle about “what really happend on 9/11″( which the Repugs seem hell bent on bringing to the fore to be the next great american debate), round two will be “what really happened during Katrina” (besides smameless nothing, that is)…Round Three will be a rehash of “what happened to Saddam, Al Queda and WMD’s all over again….and the knock out punch this fall and in 08 will be “government spying on it’s citizenry”….Maybe then we can clear up a bit of past history for the record, too….”where was Papa Bush when JFK was shot?….stay tuned.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:27 pmThis administration ignores anything that contradicts their own distorted, twisted, self-serving world. They have no connection with reality. I wonder if we’ll ever have an administration again that serves the people instead of serving themselves, like the current one.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:29 pmVerbal terrorism is still terrorism…To want to distroy any group of people or one single person is a terrorist act and should be treated as a threat…Except in self defence no one should ever take the life of another person..My opinion.
A peace keeper seek’s to negotiate problems and come together with neighbors by give and take, not by taking lives…..
When confronted with mindless parasites it is better to shun them and walk away than to reason with them for it is a waste of you’re good time and a strain on you’re own sanity. Mindless parasites and bully dictators are one in the same…Beat them at the voting booth and if that fails storm the castle.
To stand up to wrong’s and demand truth is a brave deed and should be carried out with in the law. So end’s my sermon for the day…Great post’s…Blessings
September 10th, 2006 at 7:52 pm…………so, do we all send a copy of the Senate Intelligence Report to Cheney and Rice?…since they didn’t see it. I’d suggest a copy for W too, but I don’t know if he could find anyone to read it to him.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:31 pmCULPABLE NEGLIGENCE is what this is called…..not knowing something you are charged with knowing under your job description.
“Trigger happy Dick”….it’s time this country said those infamous words to you: Y – O – U -’ R- E F – I – R – E – D!
He told us today on national television that he is incapable of handling his job. If he can’t keep his eyes open long enough to read something as significant as the intelligence report on Iraq, then it’s time for him to go.
There are plenty of treatments out there for senile dementia and alzheimers disease.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:38 pmBones,
You are on target with that point. At least Clinton and Bush Sr. got away with this stuff unchecked. But they also didn’t amplify it the way Bush Jr. and Reagan did so it’s not as easy to spot. Iran Contra, Nicaragua, Iraq and Katrina are so bold faced in their complete disreguard for anyone’s best interests outside the 0.1% that runs the show that it’s difficult not to see their corruption. Bush Sr. and Clinton had the backing of the UN (NWO) to legitimize them.
Stupid and incompetent they are not. Boldly corrupt, they are. At least that’s my opinion.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:43 pmBy the way…
My (pointed out by email from Rush) spelling is not an error…
Republican = Re-pubic-hair-an!!!
Of course I refer to Rush as Flush Limpo.
My West coast band is:
Flush Limpo & the Dildoheads
September 10th, 2006 at 8:48 pmHe “hasn’t seen” the Senate report? This guy won’t read intel reports from the US Senate but will believe crappy stories from corrupt Iraqi exiles? That is scary – really scary.
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
September 10th, 2006 at 9:08 pmWhat political effect will ABC’s lie-fest “Path to 9/11″ “docu”-drama have? Find out at PB
Only on Political Buzz
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
Yep! We are awake….Good post….Blessings
September 10th, 2006 at 9:53 pmThere is another tape tonight from Al Zawahiri.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:32 pmHistory will look at Clinton as the epitome of the baby boomers – self indulgent and self-important, without ever learning the lessons of the greatest generation who fought and won WWII – nothing great comes without work and sacrifice.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler —
Really, Jason, are you trying to tell us that George W. Bush has worked hard and made sacrifices? To recap George Jr.’s record, his high school grades and SAT results were normally not good enough for admission to Yale, but he got in as a legacy–the son as well as grandson of alumni. He was an alcoholic utnil age 40, and all the companies he ran tanked and/or received financial help from daddy’s friends. By the fifth year of his presidency, he had already taken more vacation time than any of his predeccessors, including during the August before Sept. 11, 2001, when there were already documented warnings about bin Laden wanting to attack the US and about uncanny number of Arabs enrolled in flight schools who only wanted to learn how to fly–not to land, and during last August when New Orleans was drowning. Oh, and let’s not forget his great sacrifice during the Vietnam War, when his dad’s connections helped him to jump ahead of hundreds of others on the Texas National Guard’s waiting list, so that he could protect Huston from the Vietcong!
September 10th, 2006 at 10:54 pmwhy isn’t russert shutin his dumbass up. to even allow this man to take over after you caught him in a lie with evidence and then says he hasn’t read the report. i call weak sauce, russert.
September 10th, 2006 at 10:56 pmI did not see “Path to 9/11″ because I blocked the ABC channel access from all of my remotes. Next question is: How do I find all sponsors who advertise on ABC so I can boycott them as well? Is there a source listing ABC sponsors? If I don’t watch the network, how do I determine which companies to boycott?
September 10th, 2006 at 10:58 pmSo many f**king lies and now they can’t get them all in sync. Phew! It must be a fulltime job to be a liar.
Cheney – a person that has truly risen to his highest level of incompetence.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:05 pmJay Randal,
Yes, after watching the CBS 9-11 program tonight (mostly from the French documentary) it hit me how horrible this man is and that he represents the criminal element in our government. He insists on repeating a lie on every occasion that the truth is finally admitted and the lie put in the past. He can’t let it die! The lie is everything.
The scene where the firemen describe the explosions they heard at regular intervals was CUT. SHAME. (If you have it on your computer, hold on to it.)
September 10th, 2006 at 11:26 pmWaltTheMan > contact Rep. John Conyers > he should be able to give you a list of ABC sponsers, or I am sure he can refer you to someone who does have a list!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:32 pmHow Americans can stomach this lying sack of shit is beyond me.
We can’t.
He hadn’t seen it???? He had the nerve to say that? The Vice President, the presiding officer of the Senate, had not seen the report of the Senate Intelligence Committee contradicting the lie he’s been spreading for 4 years? I don’t know what’s worse, not “seeing it” or admitting that he doesn’t care enough to keep himself informed of the pronouncements of his own legislature.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:32 pmPost 160 Liberal > thanks for the comment and info on the CBS documentary! Yes Bush is a certified liar and a lunatic as well!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:35 pmAnd Cheney is a criminal too post 160 > I was thinking about Bush as I wrote post 163 > you were refering to Cheney I believe in post 160?!
September 10th, 2006 at 11:39 pmCheney is just plain psychotic. He needs to be committed.
Problem is he’d probably have the psychiatric nurses bought off even before he got there. No, he needs to be tried and convicted. The Hague guards don’t go into denial about how dangerous he and the rest of his crime family are.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:53 pm“[C]onfidently instructing his party how to dig holes in the ground to lie in undetected at night. A bomb dropped by a U.S. aircraft can be seen exploding in the distance. ‘We were there last night,’ bin Laden says without much concern in his voice. He was in or headed toward Pakistan, counterterrorism officials think.
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“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” G.W. Bush, 9/13/2001]]fast forward to december 28,2001]]
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[[Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he’s maybe in control of a cave. He’s on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden 12/28 2001]]
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“That was December 2001.
Only two months later, Bush decided to pull out most of the special operations troops and their CIA counterparts in the paramilitary division that were leading the hunt for bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for war in Iraq, said Flynt L. Leverett, then an expert on the Middle East at the National Security Council.
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[["I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02]]
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“‘I was appalled when I learned about it,’ said Leverett, who has become an outspoken critic of the administration’s counterterrorism policy. ‘I don’t know of anyone who thought it was a good idea. It’s very likely that bin Laden would be dead or in American custody if we hadn’t done that.’ Several officers confirmed that the number of special operations troops was reduced in March 2002.”
Perhaps just as appalling is this eerie video, which makes one wonder just how closely we tracked bin Laden. Unless they just plucked it off the Internet – could it have been part of al-Qaeda’s propaganda effort, posted on some jihadist Web site? – our government’s possession of the tape indicates just how close they came to him, and how just a little more sustained effort might very well have nabbed him.
Given the above, we can say, with fair certainty – and a certain rectitude in our voice – that bin Laden was allowed to get away. Not inadvertently, as an unintended consequence of a mistaken policy, but as the result of a conscious decision that made the invasion of Iraq a higher priority than the capture of the terrorist leader –Justin Raimondo
September 11th, 2006 at 1:44 am==
As George said;”I am truly not that concerned about him.”
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
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George should just resign and go to his pig farm and take a long,long,long vacation…a forever vacation..The man is incompetent and quite inept in his speech and his duties.
Can you believe that Cheney has the Gall to try and blame the war critics for their huge F ups??
I am really really tired of this Bush/Cheney spin machine and lame blame game tactics. It’s old. It’s been done too many times and you guys need to start being truthful with the people.
This is not an Empire,you are not monarchs, you are not Kings, you are not Gods..and I think you are being just plain stupid, now cut that sh_t out and do your f__ing jobs instead of sitting around making and spinning this Rovian turd blossom propagandistic crap.
Damn, just quit already..Just quit..damnit.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:56 amPost 156..to be exact:
According to an article by Fred Kaplan, Bush spent about 40% of his first year as president away from the Whitehouse:
“Then again, it’s easy to forget that before the terrorists struck,
Bush was widely regarded as an unusually aloof president.
Joe Conason has calculated that up until Sept. 11, 2001, Bush
had spent 54 days at the ranch, 38 days at Camp David, and four
days at the Bush compound in Kennebunkport—a total of 96 days, or
about 40 percent of his presidency, outside of Washington.”
Bush Sr. had quite a bit of vacation time too, it is pathetic.
President Jimmy Carter (D) Georgia:
79 Days (over 1 term – 4 years)
President Ronald Reagan (R) California:
335 days (over 2 terms – 8 years)
President George H. W. Bush (R) Texas:
543 days (over 1 term – 4 years)
President William J. Clinton (D) Arkansas:
152 days (over 2 terms – 8 years)
President George W. Bush (R) Texas:
250 days (as of Aug. ‘03, less than one term!)
If I am wrong on any of these numbers, please feel free to show me different stats.
There are “146,587 terrorist supporters living in the state
of Connecticut” according to Vice President Dick Cheney – the
number of Ned Lamont voters.
He claims they’re encouraging “the Al Qaida” types who want
September 11th, 2006 at 7:38 amto “break the will of the American people in terms of our
ability to stay in the fight and complete the task” in Iraq.
Remember this statement America, I won’t forget it, and I am still waiting for Cheney to apologize to the citizens of this country.
Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi
September 11th, 2006 at 10:17 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html?sub=AR
Ya gotta hand it to the old fart, he doesn’t just give up on his biggest lies.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:37 am[...] CHENEY: “Zarqaqwi is evidence of the Iraq/Al Qaeda Connection.” [...]
September 11th, 2006 at 11:11 amIt all comes down to the V.P. wanting a war at all costs, and now trying to justify it at all costs. The President being a narrow minded incometent who has the leadership and vision of a petty minded dictator. The Sect. of Defense, who at best is simply an incompetent who refused reality despite his military advisors attempt to give him honest appraisals, and at worst a feeble-mined halfwit who is delusional.
What can we expect? A war effort that was crippled at its inception. Rumsfeld relieved the Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff because he continually refused to follow Rumsfelds delusion about attacting Iraq. (Check out the similarity of Hitler’s deslusions about military operations in the Soviet Union). He threatened to relieve any senior staff member of the Pentagon who talked about continued effort in Iraq after the invasion, and forbid ANY planning for controlling and pacifying Iraq after the invasion.
Political leadership that cannot get thier stories straight. President Bush denied any connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 only 3 weeks ago, yet V.P. Cheney is claiming it today!
This is a high misdemenor of office. Impeachment is the only recourse. And voting the Republicans out, and chastising the Democrats who supported this administration.
September 11th, 2006 at 11:35 amCondi Rice was forced to tell the 911 commission that the administration had recieved a B.D.B. stating Osama Bin Ladin was determined to attack the U.S. Just recently, Bush and Cheney said they may have been able to prevent the 911 attacks if only they would have wire tapped the terrorists. My question is — WHY DIDN’T THEY? We patriotic Americans need answers.
September 11th, 2006 at 11:48 am[...] Think Progress – Cheney Ignores Senate Intel Report, Cites Zarqawi As Evidence of Iraq/Al Qaeda Connection [...]
September 11th, 2006 at 2:23 pmUmm…. I’m a Canadian and I don’t completely understand American politics, but, why do you let these guys, who are obvious criminals, get away with all of this? A certain level of criminal behavior is expected when it comes to politicians, but I think there are limits.
September 11th, 2006 at 7:01 pmAny other democratic country in the world would have these guys out on their asses by now.
#98 Hey twig-gy leaf…whether or not you’re being sarcastic or what “side” you’re on, and to EVERYONE else out there who does this……it’s the DemocraTIC Party not the Democrat Party. Same old Republican talking point trying to change the name of the Democratic Party because the name sounds too…well…too DEMOCRATIC!! You should call everyone on this whenever you hear it.
September 11th, 2006 at 7:57 pm[...] During the same interview, Cheney also continued to falsely cite terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as the link between pre-war Iraq and al-Qaeda. [...]
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