When that happened, some of the times the building would partially collapse, due to interior fire damage and the immense amount of water used during fire supprression. The structure would collapse in a random, haphazard, piecemeal manner. Not once did i personally witness one of those structures collapsing in the rather controlled and somewhat neat pancake fashion as the WTC towers and Building 7.

i might be able to believe that one of the towers could fall that way, but all three? Think that would be physically impossible.

There has been much made about the interior fire’s heat contributing to the collapse of the WTC’s. i also disagree with that.
Those buildings, thanks to the fire codes enacted over the years, were built to withstand fire and not add to the flames.

The type of fires left burning after the jet fuel flamed off are what we call “contents fires”. They involve the burning of the contents of the rooms/building, such as furniture, carpets and the like.
Initially, these fires are hot, but either burn out quickly or suffocate themselves due to the fire needing a large amount of oxygen and not being able to receive the proper amount of oxygen due to the large amount of smoke generated or no fresh sources of oxygen.

Last year, the NYFD released some of the on scene radio transcripts from some of the interior fire fighting units. i’ve read thru some of the radio traffic and from their accounts, in one of the towers, they not only had the fire extinguished, they were going to start providing medical care to the victims.
i believe the published radio accounts, not only due to the authentic sounding radio traffic, but the fact that they acted like fire fighters; that is, you make a decision at the beginning of the operation as to whether or not you are going to fight fire or rescue victims.
Since most FD’s are usually understaffed and cannot provide both services, you usually elect to fight the fire, while ventilating the building to push out the toxic gases and smoke so the victims can at least get fresh air.

If the on scene fire crews had not only extinguished the fire(s) and determined that the building was safe enough to conduct medical care and rescue, then there is something terribly amiss and wrong with the so called “official” 9/11 version.

i thank you for your time and your bravery in putting out vital info regarding 9/11 on the web. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days, thanks to the diligence of the people that created this site, we will get to the bottom of the events regarding 9/11 and bring the true instigators and mass murderers to justice.

Greg Bacon
RR 1 Box 3518
Ava, MO 65608

Hey, here is something. How about all the terrorists attacks prior to 9/11/2001?

We have been at war since at least 1993. Thank God, we are no longer just trying to charge these extremists for their crimes or issuing them harsh statements from the UN. We have finally begun to defend ourselves.

Keep your head in the sand. Every now and then, thank God that your fellow citizens have enough fortitude to meet this challenge head on.

“libs cannot be trusted with our national security”
Osama who? Do you have any idea how much of a good day 9/11 was for the neocons. The new Pearl Harbor was essential for their agenda.

Damn, another of my posts gone.

“Source this. Otherwise, your opinion is nothing but a months old Democrat talking point.”

Marvin it’s an old talking point ;however, you just pointed out the way Democrats talk out of both sides of their mouths. Just the other day Howard Dean rebuked Bush by saying that Iraq and the war on terror are seperate conflicts and aren’t related at all.

“Iraq has turned into a training and recruiting ground for Al Qaeda to kill our people in the military”

“Many of the extremists believe that Iraq has become the new mecca….prophetic.”

However the Democratic party’s position is that the war on terror and the war in Iraq are not linked and that the central front on terror according to Howard Dean is still in Afghanistan. Do you agree?

libs cannot be trusted with our national security

So I guess all these Democrats were lying about Iraq and WMD’s then as well?

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
–Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
–Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
– Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do”
– Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Why do you blame Bush/Cheney alone for “lying”?

How can I source my feelings Marvin? I feel our soldiers are sitting ducks and being swept into a even more dangerous situation. I know that my government has been irresponsible. We lack the leadership in the military. I can only give you facts. You can go down the list of casualities and wounded and see exactly how they died or were wounded? What more do you want? Do you want me to give you other people’s opinions? Will it make my statement or opinion more credible? lmao This website is an excellent source of opinion and facts. There are those that agree with my opinion, and those that do not. Tracy asked a question to our thoughts about Iraq, I gave my opinion. Whether you choose to agree or disagree that is up to you.

“In Iraq moreover we’re dealing not just with regime remnants but also . . . terrorists and foreign fighters who have entered the country over the borders to try to oppose the Coalition. They pose a challenge to be sure but they also pose an opportunity because Coalition forces can deal with the terrorists now in Iraq instead of having to deal with those terrorists elsewhere, including the United States..”

Donald Rumsfeld
Speech to the VFW
http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2003/sp20030825-secdef0403.html
August 25, 2003

When will politicians and the media catch up with the public? When will they again speak to our best hopes and ideals, instead of making cynical pitches to our reptile brains? Until they do, we as a country are the losers and the terrorists are the winners. They’ve succeeded in making us morph into a reflection of their image.

And that image looks a lot like the hedgehog on hallucinogens who gave his recruiting speech for the Forever War tonight and came out strongly against radical dictators with nuclear weapons unless their name is Musharraf and they recently cut a deal with the Taliban which he approved. (Thanks to Billmon and apologies to Isaiah Berlin.)

The Project For The New American Century (PNAC) has wanted to take over Iraq since the late 80’s. They knew that it would never fly with the American people to just go in and invade. What a coincidence with their puppet in office and their evil, sadistic mastermind Dick(head) Cheney actually running things that they got their golden opportunity to finally invade Iraq with 9-11 and almost immediately award Halliburton several (no-bid) contracts (gee, how do you think they got so lucky?) to provide a multitude of services (which they promptly started overcharging for).

How about all the lies about WMD and the corruption? What about the mess in Iraq now? What about giving up on Osama (I think he is a well paid black op) and just letting him go and now Pakistan making insinuations that if he makes nice they’ll leave him alone? WTF!!! What else? The leaking of an under cover CIA agent by the name of Valerie Plame. Warrantless eavesdropping and a preprogrammed corporate controlled media more concerned with JonBenet Ramsey and Natalee Holloway than our constitution and bill of rights being trashed right before our eyes and they do or say nothing. They’re also the ones as much to blame because they shove all this manufactured fear down our throats every day. I’m more afraid of this administration and the nut-job, whacko neocons within and surrounding it than I ever will be of a few incredibly stupid muslims (anyone who lets another person convince them to wear a bomb and blow themselves up is deranged beyond repair). The entire PNAC crew should be jailed, tried and sent to prison.

America, land of the free and home of the brave. Right! Not for very long if we all don’t soon wake up from our stupor and demand a stop to all the madness that is taking place in our world. We let it happen because we let ourselves be scared shitless while their cabal steals what’s left of Iraq’s oil and concentrates as much money into their little circle leaving the rest of us to become subserviant to them and fight for what’s left over. That’s not the world I want for my son, nor is the world we are capable of.

It isn’t a “claptrap”. 9-11 was the “Pearl Harbor” that the PNAC called for. Are you really that naive?

t-mac

Hilarious…I found this from the link you provided.

Hilarious…I saw this from the link you provided.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — Death squads and terrorists have ramped up attacks on civilians in Iraq, killing more than 1,600 people in cold-blooded “execution-style” slayings in July alone, a Pentagon report said Friday.

For the record, I was asking you to source your assertion that Iraq has turned into a training and recruiting ground for Al Qaeda to kill our people in the military, not give a bunch of charts on casualties (which are are still historically low when you compare them with all other wars of this length). I find it ironic that your link provided the source for my claim.