Apparently, there isn’t a big audience for myths about 9/11. Preliminary ratings information show that Path to 9/11 was not only trounced by Sunday Night Football, it only managed to tie a rerun of a CBS documentary about 9/11. A summary:
| SHOW | RATING | SHARE |
| NFL Football (NBC) | 15.1 | 23 |
| 9/11 (CBS, rerun) | 8.2 | 12 |
| Path to 9/11 (ABC) | 8.2 | 12 |
Looks like predictions that the effort to correct Path to 9/11’s inaccuracies would improve ABC’s ratings were wrong.
Even right wingers don’t like to be fed lies.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:29 pmI didn’t watch any tv, so there. (big rasberry). So what was edited out, I’m too lazy to actually look at the link.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:29 pmLet’s just say there’s no truth like Football… :)
September 11th, 2006 at 1:30 pmWell, it looks like the decision to run it commercial-free was certainly prescient.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:34 pmI don’t think too many people needd or wanted a history refresher course.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:34 pmwait - maybe the efforts to have the inaccuracies addressed did improve the ratings! coud have been worse, perhaps. we’ll never know… :)
i didn’t bother watching. i can become nauseated on my own.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:37 pm#5….but Tracy, this was a fantasy - none of that pesky history or factual information to get in the way! I’d say that’s entertainment worth viewing!
Or better yet, on second thought, I’d go with the football.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:39 pmI hadn’t before seen the 9/11 show that aired on CBS. I tuned in and was mesmerized. This story doesn’t need melodramatic actors and a script. It writes and directs itself.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:39 pmHate to be a pessimist, but the fact that it even scored a 12 share is bad enough.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:41 pmyeehaa go Tennessee boys you beat the lies and distorations.
We did a good job, Way to Go!
September 11th, 2006 at 1:41 pmI can’t find a single person who has watched the movie. I can’t find a person who has even heard of the movie. And I’ve been asking people I thought surely would have known about it or watched.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:42 pmAnd I work on a construction site!
This might be overly synical but I think they dont care about the low ratings. The idea of this mini series would be not to change the minds of people informed about 9-11 but to get back the tagert demographic that they have been losing, the “safety mom”. And what better weekend to run a special that would hit “safety mom” more than run the special on ABC against opening weekend football. Disney owns ABC and ESPN, and if they really wanted ratings for this thing they would not run it against their opening night MNF double header on ESPN.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:43 pmAh, good. Fantasy Football wins out over Fantasy History.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:45 pmDid you honostly think that Americans would watch a show about politics on opening NFL sunday
Did you really think that a docu-crapa would lure you away from the most exciting matchup in NFL histroy:
MANNING Vs. MANNING
Are you ready for some Football, biatch !!!
September 11th, 2006 at 1:48 pmnow that is some funny shit. the average american folk is DONE with this criminal regime. they have discovered the pnac, nwo, heritage foundation is riddled with terrorists out for one thing: to rule the world. they have discovered this admin. is sleeping with the enemy.
welcome to zionist owned, nazi ran, fascist america.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:48 pmCan’t we just have a film course next time the Right launches another visual laxative for the historically impaired. Really,once ABC devoted enough disclaimers to this apparent piece of tripe it was already on it’s way to the morgue. Bravo to TP for consolidating direct and specific attention to the feeble attempts to torpedo an ultra sensitive national tragedy.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:52 pmI watched it so I could comment. I’m going to watch the second half. I just wondering if I will see in the last scene “Bin Laden is still free in Pakistan must likely according to intelligence” or Bush will tell us tonight that we have Bin Laden in custody and we found him with Saddam.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:55 pmIs anyone other than the people with Nielson Boxes considered when calculating ratings?
If no - then does it matter if those of us without Neilson Boxes boycott ABC?
September 11th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#12 - “safety moms” aren’t falling for it, either. they’re more worried about their kids getting drafted and sent to Iraq now.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:57 pm“And I’ve been asking people I thought surely would have known about it or watched. And I work on a construction site!”
Wow, Where can I find a construction site with internet access so I can post all day on blogs?
September 11th, 2006 at 1:58 pmYou think it got trounced last night, just wait until tonight when it goes up against a Monday Night Football doubleheader.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:08 pmBoy Genius,
The company I work for makes ruggedized wireless access points for construction sites. Wireless makes the Internet ubiquitous.
That’s not even to mention the EVDO router we make that can get Internet anywhere you can get a cellphone signal.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:10 pmAnd only slightly ahead of the season premiere of The Simpsons. Which is, of course, what *I* was watching.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:10 pmLOL!!!
Tonight’s ratings will be even worse, then.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:11 pmThe miniseries was 2 nights at 2:40:00 each. ABC cut 1 minute of Sandy Burglar slamming down the phone. They didn’t even include the “Clinton watching golf, instead of taking the call” incident from Robert Paterson’s Dereliction of Duty book (He held the “football” for Clinton.) Your lucky they dumbed this down into TV drama.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:14 pmWireless. Always. Police style.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:14 pmHonestly, 9/11 (the real film footage) is still too painful for me to watch. I didn’t lose a family member or friend, but my heart aches for those who did. It’s difficult for me to fathom people using this tragic event for both political gain and financial gain.
Since 9/11, the administration has pounded fear into the American public. Because of this unnecessary war that we’ve waged we are now exposed. We are aware of our weaknesses and vulnerabilities. Our nation is drained financially and emotionally. We are stretched thin. Despite the news of a strong economy, we are in debt up to our ears. Who is going to pay the price? Our children will. We are told that there is no plan to get out of this war. We must wait for the mission to be completed. What does that mean? How many more of our children must die or be maimed before this administration wakes-up?
2008–Let’s take our country back!
September 11th, 2006 at 2:15 pmARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE? apparently, yes. Glad to see that American values haven’t changed.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:20 pmThe DLC are Frauds,
Not to mention that it doesn’t even take a laptop to post here. I do it from my PSP and Treo all the time. Can anybody tell that I use different platforms to post. Until I mentioned it here, I doubt anybody knew.
Boy Genius,
For a genius, you aren’t very up on today’s technology.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:21 pmI was walking downtown earlier during a break and a little old lady dressed in American flag clothes and buttons all over calmly asks me, “Excuse me where is the post office?” I tell her where the nearest one is. She says with a big smile on her face “No not that one. I am looking for the one where those people videotaped the second plane slamming into the building.” I calmly said I didn’t know where that particular one was. Really weird especially that smile with those words coming out. Icky.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:23 pmMs. R.,
I think it is important for you to know that the Disney/ABC television program, The Path to 9/11, which began airing last night, is inaccurate and irresponsible in its portrayal of the airport check-in events that occurred on the morning of September 11, 2001. A factual description of those events can be found in the official government edition of the 9/11 Commission Report and supporting documents.
Please know this was a tragic event in our company’s history and we hope you will be sympathetic to our employees and our airline on this day. Again, we are outraged by this situation, and we alerted ABC about its gross error. It is very unfortunate.
Roger
Roger Frizzell
September 11th, 2006 at 2:23 pmVice President, Corporate Communications & Advertising
American Airlines
Does anyone know how ratings are quantified?
Is anyone other than the people with Nielson Boxes considered when calculating ratings?
If no - then does it matter if those of us without Neilson Boxes boycott ABC?
September 11th, 2006 at 2:36 pmI’m confused. Who is the enemy again? Is it the Bush Administration? Or is it those various Islamic extremist organizations that have been carrying out international terrorism for the past 30yrs.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:40 pmInternational terrorism is the direct result of a lazy American foreign policy that predates Bush.
Without having access to the necessary numbers to draw the correct parallel I can only make a “gut” guess that the 8.2/12 rating equates to less than the brain-dead 30% bushco sycophants that form the “Ground Zero” for all the political polls. Another case of disseminating to the disciples. However, I suspect even some of the disciples are football fans.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:41 pmOf course there is always this new poll:
CNN
Septemember 11, 2006
Poll: More Americans blame Bush for 9/11
http://www.cnn.com/ 2006/ POLITICS/ 09/ 11/ 911.poll/ index.html
Guess what this means. More people are starting to see the light. I think the NeoCons needs to stop shining that light on this subject. The more they do, the more people will turn against them.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:41 pmPerhaps they should have re-titled it “The Path-illogical lie to 9/11″
September 11th, 2006 at 2:41 pmWouldn’t this have made everyone go away on this.
#33 post bu confused
International terrorism is something Americans get when they believe everything they see on television and think that those in charge are taking care of them.
They are everywhere. Thery are everywhere.
September 11th, 2006 at 2:46 pmAs e.e. cummings said, “There is some sh*t I will not eat.”
September 11th, 2006 at 2:51 pm35
September 11th, 2006 at 2:55 pmI wonder if that poll had the crazy notion of blaming the perpetrators and their affiliates?
First off I wish to give my sincerest condolences to the families of this tragedy.
Let us not forget that these people came from some 600 countries around the world. America, and the power that makes it a free nation, comes not from a single Ideology, but from the kettle of the world — we are just the melting pot.
To destroy our secularity would be to destroy America. I fully understand Nationalism, but in this day and age it is outtdated. History points us, and rudely reminds us of germany and shows us what extreme nationalism can result in.
We must embrace our future and stop rehashing past hatreds based upon skin color and religious biases learned. We must grasp that inner light that leads us into Universalism for the common good of all mankind, everywhere.
We must realize that we cannot foment wars and bring Armegeddon to fruition, that is not mans evil, that is his evil.
Many wars have come and gone, many times have the people been led to this prophecy and many, many times have they been let down when no messiah appeared after such bloody battles.
Hark ye man and list to me, the armageddon that comes shall not be by war, it shall be by nature and those whom try to hurry armageddon do great harm to humanity and themselves.
Man will never know when earths time comes due and to save ones self one must remove bias and they must dissolve their hatred and they must find that light, that balance in themselves. For in you, each and every one, lies the path to inner peace and wisdom. Inner Peace will bring outer peace.
Hatred is the weed that has been put into Gods fields and it is he that will seperate the good from the bad when the time comes. –AckSyn JackSyn
Pi Cot Orion 318
September 11th, 2006 at 2:57 pm#37
September 11th, 2006 at 3:02 pmWhat does international terrorism have to do with television and the degree to which my govenrment accommodates me?
If you liberals directed 10% of the energy you spend attacking this stupid miniseries into publicizing real questions about 9/11 the whole thing might be solved by now…
http://911truth.org
September 11th, 2006 at 3:03 pmLast night was a good night to play that DVD that has been sitting on the table.
I watched “Capote”…. very good film.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:03 pmHardly a rewriting of history. It looked to me to be a fairly accurate depiction of the events as reported in every paper and newsoutlet around the world leading up the attack on our country. Sandy Berger and the Clinton staff were the fools we knew they were and of course Bill caught playing with himself while the attack was planned.
Funny thing too…all those terrorists were Muslims. Not a white face among them. That surprised me. I can’t wait until tonight and see if those planes were piloted by remote control from the White House like so many of you losers claim.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:03 pmWhy would they bother. Everybody in the world knows who perpetrated the attacks. That would just be a big waste of time, money and resources.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#40
September 11th, 2006 at 3:07 pmWho still uses Nazi Germany as a reference point for the brutality of man except for Americans without global scope?
Thad #23:
I’m with you on that one! Homer all the way!!!
(To he** with ABC and it’s ultra-neocon version of the Terrorist Attacks!!!!)
September 11th, 2006 at 3:12 pmFunny thing too…all those terrorists were Muslims. Not a white face among them. That surprised me. I can’t wait until tonight and see if those planes were piloted by remote control from the White House like so many of you losers claim.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
I guess you think airplanes don’t have autopilot?
What are living in a cave?
I RIGHT I that has to be the silliest thing you have ever said.
Seriously, stick to your field of study, whatever that is.
Thousands of planes traverse the sky every day with their Auto pilots wired into the GPS systems and via sattelite they can “program” a flight path into the flight data computer..
The airplane, a 767, for instance, many are CATIV equipped and can, much to your lack of knowledge and chagrin, perform an Auto Land by following the Glide slope etc etc..notihing I coild explain to you apparently.
It happens every day and passengers never know the difference and you cannot “see” that equipment from the outside of the Aircraft.
Would you care to see my FAM certificates on the 767?
September 11th, 2006 at 3:19 pm#33 - “International terrorism is the direct result of a lazy American foreign policy that predates Bush.”
You’re right. Pres. Reagan is the author that began the massive failures on international terrorism. He’s the President that came before Pres. H.W. Bush, therefore he’s the one responsible for our current problems!
September 11th, 2006 at 3:26 pmThe flight data on modern Jets can be programmed with what looks like a floppy disk, in the cockpit, there is no need for a “remote control” the remote control is built into all those many blackboxes and servos, air data computers, accelorometers, vertical and horizontal gyros..
I RIGHT I
Don’t go away mad, just go away.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:26 pmDidn’t we predict that here on C & L? That’s what they get - all that money down the drain….
September 11th, 2006 at 3:36 pmI’m not worried. I am sure that ABC will rerun this epic on their other networks, to catch those who missed it. Moreover, if prog bloggers hadn’t raised such a fuss, I am sure that it wouldn’t have achieved the high ratings that it did, so these numbers are good.
Without Monday Night football, we will see where the numbers go tonight.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:39 pmInternational terrorism is the direct result of a lazy American foreign policy that predates Bush.
Comment by Huh?
Agreed -Aj 318
I’m not worried. I am sure that ABC will rerun this epic on their other networks, to catch those who missed it. Moreover, if prog bloggers hadn’t raised such a fuss, I am sure that it wouldn’t have achieved the high ratings that it did, so these numbers are good.
Without Monday Night football, we will see where the numbers go tonight.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Another flip flop Jason?
Of course the Networks will be showing this:
And besides why watch the second part of a docudrama, if you missed the first half?
ep 8, 2006 — WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush will deliver a prime-time televised speech on Monday night to mark the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, the White House announced on Friday.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:47 pmJason ABC isn’t in this for ‘truth’, they are in it for the money and the ratings.
Its a business of ratings and not a business of Truth, if it were no political ads would ever air.
Somebody reach over the cubicle wall and smak Jason in the back of his head. Besides don’t you have some work, or something better to do?
Me, I am gonna take my antique (1966) car for a spin,with 350hp, blow out some carbon, and go 100 miles an hour..then maybe walk the dog..
September 11th, 2006 at 3:53 pmIRI, glad to see your still consistent. Question for ya if you have time: So were all the Bin Laden family members that were flown out of the country right after 9/11 Muslim?
September 11th, 2006 at 3:56 pmA question and a comment.
Question: What is the approximate real number of viewers that a 12 percent share equals?
Comment (playing a bit of devil’s advocate): The last time Bill Clinton was up for reelection was 10 years ago. Why is everyone scared about people not voting for Democrats based on this movie, which doesn’t to my knowledge feature anyone who’s running for office this year? Think they’ll just paint with a big brush ALL DEMS ARE BAD? That seems like a long shot to me. As one poster said above, Clinton is a distant memory for the parents who are more worried about a draft if this Iraq thing continues. On the flip side I’m not going to hold a current Republican candidate responsible for Richard Nixon. For Iraq, yes. Nixon, no.
That said, this film is despicable for many reasons and I hope the offended parties sue for libel.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:58 pmTrinarySuka, GT Shelby Mustang, Nova SS? Inquiring minds want to know.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:00 pm“Without Monday Night football, we will see where the numbers go tonight.”
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Dear Jason,
September 11th, 2006 at 4:16 pmMonday Night Football Doubleheader tonight, 7:30 and 10:15. We will indeed “see where the numbers go tonight”.
Assface.
There isn’t much that can stand up to football head to head. Even tonight, I wouldn’t be surprised if the ESPN Monday Night Football doubleheader has better ratings.
And considering this doesn’t take into account all the people watching at sports bars…
September 11th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#42, I didn’t know you had to be a liberal to dislike bad governance. If everyone who disdains George Bush for his policies of destruction was a liberal, then more than half the country is liberal.
Which makes sense, since our founding fathers were liberals, as well as that document they wrote called The US Constitution.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:25 pm#52 - Jason, STILL waiting for you to call for the broadcast of the Pres. Reagan docu-drama!
If you feel that “freedom of speech” is in having lies broadcast as truth, then you should get on that band-wagon soonest!
September 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pm#7
After a little editing only the Clinton’s wish it were fantasy.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:30 pm#48
Can the pilot turn the autopilot off?
September 11th, 2006 at 4:34 pmDid anyone else see discovery channel/pbs The price of security with Ted Koppel??
September 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmIt was a real good dissection of the trade off between giving up our liberties to secure our nation.
Several shills for the administration played the “liberty is of no use when you’re dead” card. The rebuttal was sorta like, living without our essential freedoms of speech and privacy is worse than being dead”.
At least the discussion was civil.
You need to go back further in history….you are off by a few decades.
http://www.pbs.org/ wgbh/ pages/ frontline/ shows/ target/ etc/ modern.html
September 11th, 2006 at 4:49 pmI guess all those “We Will Never Forget” bumper stickers did their job. We remembered so well that there was no need to watch a six hour hack job with B-rate actors. And oh, yeah…football was on.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:49 pmWithout Monday Night football, we will see where the numbers go tonight.
Hendler, you really are an idiot. Tonight is Monday night. Yesterday was Sunday, you know, the christian sabbath. It was Sunday night football that clocked the Path(etic) to 9/11 propoganda.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:50 pmWatch the ratings plummet as the American football fan tunes in the Skins/Vikings or Raiders/Chargers game.
The football game had an estimated 20.7 million viewers, while “The Path to 9/11″ had 13 million, according to Nielsen Media Research.
The ABC movie did, however, beat CBS’ third airing of its “9/11″ documentary, which was seen by an estimated 10.6 million people, Nielsen said.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:54 pm- - I’m guessing that was 13 million people who were hooked up to a Kool-Aid I.V.
How do you know that the ratings weren’t improved. Before all the hubbub, I’l bet no one was going to watch that stinker. From the couple of clips I saw online, it looks badly produced and cheesy at best.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:04 pmIf these people are Christians, why are the
September 11th, 2006 at 5:12 pmso dishonest. It seems that dishonest
and corruption are Christian values,I think
I’d be ashamed to mock Jesus like they do!
Your representation and interpretation of the ratings is very subjective and skewed, with an obvious bias - gee, I wonder what that could be?
Here’s the real numbers for last night’s viewing audience. First, from Zap2It:
NBC averaged a 10.8 rating/17 share for the night, finishing well ahead of ABC, 7.1/11. FOX was right behind in third with a 7.0/11, and CBS took fourth with a 6.3/10. The WB trailed at 1.1/2. The numbers for NBC, FOX and CBS all include some live sports and are therefore subject to change. Further, CBS and ABC aired some of their prime-time schedule without ads, and those time periods will be excluded from final nationals.
Contact Music says ABC’s “Path To 9/11″ Garnered Big Ratings, Second only to NBC’s Football.
http://mrssatan.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 09/ manipulating-path-to-911-neilsen.html
September 11th, 2006 at 5:18 pmhuh what
September 11th, 2006 at 5:19 pmRUCerious - I watched Koppel’s program. It was excellent. It is a shame so few people in TV do that type of indepth reporting. I really miss him on Nightline.
I loved the way he ended the program saying North Korea was really the only place safe from terrorism but look at the sacrifice of personal liberty and isolation that creates the safety. It was brilliant.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:20 pmRUCerious - I saw the Koppel show. It was excellent. I really wish there was more of that type of indepth reporting on TV. I miss him on Nightline.
His closing about N. Korea being free of terrorists but at a huge price was birlliant.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:23 pmToday I taught my classes about the the reasons the Trade Towers collapsed. I told them that I watched the CBS documentary last night filmed by two independent Franch brothers who were actually making a documentary about something else when this occured. That I watched CBS because it was a first hand perspective of what happened on that day, rather than other dramatizations being shown that represent what someone who wasn’t there scripted, staged, and then filmed after the fact.
They then asked if we could watch Fahrenheit 9/11. I wish…
September 11th, 2006 at 5:41 pmAs a marketing professional I felt pretty confident that this project would not be a ratings winner.
How could it be?
ABC chose to promote the project with - for a broadcast network that needs to reach as broad a mass market as possible — a very unusual, exclusionary, and foolish, marketing strategy. That strategy alone (depending exclusively on extreme right wing commentators to create advance buzz) made it reasonable for everyone else to assume, without viewing the program, that ABC at least, believed the project was slanted in a partisan way and designed to appeal primarily, even exclusively, to a limited, very partisan audience.
Such a strategy - one that told millions of potential viewers that their good opinion of the accuracy and objectivity of the project didn’t matter and wasn’t wanted - could only dissuade those millions from watchng at all.
If the project really was more even-handed and objective than that marketing strategy suggested, they shot themselves in the foot by so dramatically suggesting otherwise. If it really was, as it appears to have proven to be, as partisan as their marketing suggested, they damaged their reputation with the broader market of viewers in order to win the approval of a more narrow audience of viewers.
A broadcast network like ABC, and a mass-market content producer like Disney, really cannot afford to act like a cable network — aiming only to cater to the specific biases and tastes of a specialized market — and yet expect to garner anything more than a cable-size audience.
ABC needs to fire whoever the marketing genius was who came up with a strategy designed to give millions of Americans exactly zero reasons for watching their programming — and many, many reasons for not watching.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:58 pm#67, RU,
Monday Night Football is now on a cable channel, not a HF broadcast. Many people only receive the three basic channels over the air, with a couple UHF channels like PBS.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:59 pm#75
“…rather than other dramatizations being shown that represent what someone who wasn’t there scripted, staged, and then filmed after the fact.”
…which would be Fahrenheit 9/11. Either wouldn’t be prudent in the classroom.
September 11th, 2006 at 6:02 pm78: “…rather than other dramatizations being shown that represent what someone who wasn’t there scripted, staged, and then filmed after the fact.â€
…which would be Fahrenheit 9/11. - - “Fahrenheit 9/11″ wasn’t a performance by actors reading from a script. “Path…” was.
September 11th, 2006 at 6:12 pmPT9/11 performed even more poorly in the Nashville TV market than it did in the national TV market.
September 11th, 2006 at 6:14 pmwhich would be Fahrenheit 9/11. Either wouldn’t be prudent in the classroom.
Comment by Tracy — September 11, 2006 @ 6:02 pm
Keep telling yourself that Tracy… but Fahrenheit 9/11 was based on facts. It’s just as valid as anything else based on facts. But, then again, we’re still telling some schoolchildren that Columbus was a great man…. YOu neocons don’t wanna dispell the illusion of teh world you wish we all lived in with factual documentaries like Fahrenheit 9/11…
But, you’re just reminding me why discussions with you are pointless. You don’t consider facts to be valid. Just your personal opinion based on delusions of grandeur…
September 11th, 2006 at 6:15 pm#48
Can the pilot turn the autopilot off?
Comment by Tracy
Of course, just like the transponders [for ATC] can be switched off, as the Hijackers did.
You can however steer a large Jet such as a 767 from the autopilot control head, that is you can leave the autopilot on, hands off the control column and feet off the pedals, and by moving the knob on the control head (usually on center console) turn or descend.
In fact when I worked as a flight mechanic the pilots would take off and engage the autopilot after about 5,000 ft. It is very tiring to ‘fly’ by hand for hours on end looking at the HSI [Artificial Horizon] and the ROC [Rate of climb] Altimeters etc.
I am NOT saying this is what the terrorists did, I am, merely debunking IRI’s consiracy theory about exterior pods or remote controls.
September 11th, 2006 at 6:17 pm#81
“…but Fahrenheit 9/11 was based on facts”
Based on facts doesn’t mean it’s a factual representation of the truth. After editing ABC’s movie, prompted by Clinton, the movie stands on it’s own. The reason that F9/11 never made it to primetime is that after an accuracy test, there wouldn’t be anything left factual much less contextually factual that would fill 30 minutes.
“…with factual documentaries like Fahrenheit 9/11″
You mean a fantasy sprinked with select real scenes scripted, manipulated and promoted as fact.
“You don’t consider facts to be valid.”
Not when Moore manipulates them out of context to suit his own personal biaed opinion, just like those who criticize ABC’s movie.
September 11th, 2006 at 6:50 pm#82
“I am NOT saying this is what the terrorists did, I am, merely debunking IRI’s consiracy theory about exterior pods or remote controls.”
IRI wasn’t the one claiming that the planes were possibly controlled remotely from the White House…he was pointing out that others here in this blog have made this same conspiricy theory claim.
#83
“Now there are such things as;
Airliner irreversible-control anti-hijack system - US Patent 6845302
Airliner irreversible-control anti-hijack system - US Patent 6845302″
Do you have an idea how these systems work?
September 11th, 2006 at 7:06 pmI watched the show on CBS - I had seen it before, but my son had not. It is an incredibly moving film, with no political agenda. It was like reliving that day all over, but with a sense of hope and belief in the basic goodness of people. The whole country should have watched it.
September 11th, 2006 at 7:21 pm[…] Think Progress » Path to 9/11 Trounced By Football, Ties CBS Rerun Apparently, there isn’t a big audience for myths about 9/11. Preliminary ratings information show that Path to 9/11 was not only trounced by Sunday Night Football, it only managed to tie a rerun of a CBS documentary about 9/11. (tags: 9/11 ABC ratings) […]
September 11th, 2006 at 7:35 pm“Now there are such things as;
Airliner irreversible-control anti-hijack system - US Patent 6845302
Airliner irreversible-control anti-hijack system - US Patent 6845302″
Do you have an idea how these systems work?
Comment by Tracy
Since the avionics are located beneath the pilots floor or are in equipment racks not available to the passengers it’s a matter of bypassing the electronics below. Some modern aircraft are fly by wire, that is there are no more control cables strung from the cockpit to the flight control surfaces [ailerons etc] and the flight controls are moved by hydraulic units [3000 psi] thru servos and valves position indicators etc, I haven’t read in depth about this system above but thats the way planes work today.
Like the anti-lock brakes on your car [ABS] are solenoid or electronically operated. and thats what releases and reapplys the brakes to stop the wheel from locking up and skidding.
An encoded signal from the ground would operate the aircrafts flight controls in a an emergency. Kinda like a un-manned drone would use a signal and a camera fed to an operator on the ground.
Hopefully we will have all of our civilian aircraft that cannot be hijacked thru the cockpit, pilot or not.
September 11th, 2006 at 8:04 pmI-R-I wasn’t the one claiming that the planes were possibly controlled remotely from the White House…he was pointing out that others here in this blog have made this same conspiricy theory claim.
“I can’t wait until tonight and see if those planes were piloted by remote control from the White House like so many of you losers claim.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
These claims have been made by groups on the left and right, for IRI to claim that many of the losers here claim Is a mccarthyistic attack.
I debunked his cliam that EVERY one here, as he always implies, believes such things, I have worked on these planes for years.
September 11th, 2006 at 8:13 pmIRI need to quit painting people with such a wide projectionist brush. He is hate-baiting. I debunked his silly hate baiting claim. SEE?
All IRI usually does is hate bait..
blah blah blah WMD bla blah blah Liberals blah blah blah All their Fault blah blah blah..War critics…blah blah liberals,,blah blah so many of you here…blah blah Kennedy..blah blah terrorist blah blah Clinton blah blah Fact.
“I can’t wait until tonight and see if those planes were piloted by remote control from the White House terror group like so many of you Republican losers at free republic.com claim.
Now Tracy would that statement, in bold, be in any way true?
Of course not. He needs to quit his limabaugh wannabe act. Its immature and is only meant to incite anger and hatred.
If you want to talk to IRI fine, you go right ahead. He is not worthy of debate.
September 11th, 2006 at 8:28 pmYou left out Fox. Path to 9/11 also lost to The Simpsons/Family Guy.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:19 pmBased on facts doesn’t mean it’s a factual representation of the truth.
Tracy, to you that probably sounded clever. To anyone with a functioning brain, it was one of the most absurd things a human being without a lobotomy could utter.
You really said that a documentary based on facts is not factual. Wow. You genuinely do not realize that the word ‘factual’ is an adjective that means ‘based on facts’? Wow. That constant fear of boogeymen has really eroded your brain.
After editing ABC’s movie, prompted by Clinton, the movie stands on it’s own. The reason that F9/11 never made it to primetime is that after an accuracy test, there wouldn’t be anything left factual much less contextually factual that would fill 30 minutes.
The fact that you don’t see how sad and pathetic you’ve become, trying to rationalize nonsense to people who form their opinions beased on reality, shows how you are only functioning on the basic instinctual part of your brain that occurs during fear. When frightened, all brain capacity except fight or flight and basic breathing and circulation functions is disconnected. This makes a scared person irrational, because they cannot access their higher intellect. You are the poster boy for ‘Scared out of his wits 24/7′ - not a rational thought in your head. Just pure adrenalin and a need to kill other people who aren’t like you.
You mean a fantasy sprinked with select real scenes scripted, manipulated and promoted as fact. Not when Moore manipulates them out of context to suit his own personal biaed opinion, just like those who criticize ABC’s movie.
Comment by Tracy — September 11, 2006 @ 6:50 pm
Nope. I never mean what you try to twist my words into. Smoke and mirror tricks are really all you have, as you’ve not once given examples of how Michael Moore’s documentary was incorrect. Just a lot of baseless ad hominem attacks, and, as usual, fear.
I have better things to do with my time. The cat’s litter box needs scooping for one…
September 11th, 2006 at 9:32 pmI debunked his silly hate baiting claim. SEE?
Comment by AckSyn JAckSyn — September 11, 2006 @ 8:13 pm
Well done. Though, if you keep it up, some of the extremists in the other direction will call you names as well… It’s really surprising how divided this country has become and how people, on both sides, are saying some wild things.
IRI is about ten times more paranoid than Tracy. He’s also about ten times more humorous. Trade off… :)
September 11th, 2006 at 9:38 pmI’m assuming that the thing was viewed strictly by the kool aid drinkers so perhaps the damage will be minimized.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:48 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
“Now there are such things as;
Airliner irreversible-control anti-hijack system - US Patent 6845302
Airliner irreversible-control anti-hijack system - US Patent 6845302″
Do you have an idea how these systems work?
Comment by Tracy
Oh boy just out havin a good time here, look we also have a patent on the Flo-Bee haircutting system, the Corvair, Mr. Microphone, and Slime©
September 11th, 2006 at 11:09 pmHe (Lee Hamilton) condemned the docudrama, saying that to fudge the distinction between news and entertainment “is not good for the country.â€
Where is he when Michael Moore releases his docudramas?
“Apparently, there isn’t a big audience for myths about 9/11. ”
You’ve got to be kidding have you seen the polls that almost 1/3 of Americans believe some kind of conspiracy theory about 9/11.
This site is a joke.
September 12th, 2006 at 11:43 amReports say 13 million people watched “Path to 9/11″. Out of 290 million people in America, that’s less than 5% of the population.
September 12th, 2006 at 12:42 pmDoesn’t look like too many did watch the docu-garbage, altough, I really am surprised that 1/3 of Americans STILL believe the myth that Saddam was in some way connected to Iraq.
Must be Bush’s loyal following that will believe anything Bush says unconditionally. There are those that continue to blame Clinton for whatever happens on Bush’s watch… even 5 years out of office.
[…] Some good news about ABC/Disney’s 9/11 mocumentary: Not only were the ratings horrid for the show (Monday night football blew them away with twice as many viewers), but American Airlines is considering a defamation lawsuit. […]
September 12th, 2006 at 12:53 pmIt is unfortunate that more people didn’t watch Path to 911 because there were two things they would have taken away from it. One, the paralysis and ineffectual nature of our bureaucracy, regardless of who is President, in the face of imminent danger and the evil, unflinching nature of the terrorists.
We have become so politically polarized that we neglect to focus on the obvious danger and instead waste our energies trying to place blame on the opposing party. It will be our undoing.
September 12th, 2006 at 1:06 pm#90
I agree.
September 12th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#92
“Tracy, to you that probably sounded clever.”
“You really said that a documentary based on facts is not factual.”
“A statement of fact or a factual claim is a statement that is presented as an accurate representation of a situation, event, or condition, and that is capable of being either proved or disproved.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
Considering you don’t think context is important…oh well.
“The fact that you don’t see how sad and pathetic you’ve become, trying to rationalize…Just pure adrenalin and a need to kill other people who aren’t like you.”
You came up with all that BS on your own? Unbelievable to you that probably sounded clever. Now, do you mind responding to what I said instead of hate bating? I know you wouldn’t want to placed in the same category as IRI, but then again it might be too late.
“…as you’ve not once given examples of how Michael Moore’s documentary was incorrect.”
If you have the time…
http://www.davekopel.com/ Terror/ Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
“I have better things to do with my time.”
I have heard this lie of yours before…care to stop this time, because you are past three strike now.
September 12th, 2006 at 2:10 pmShareholders of Disney should be very worried that Iger who is supposed to pull Disney business out of its slump wasted 40 million on a political spin piece that few people watched
September 12th, 2006 at 3:36 pmIn an attempt to address the rising criticism in the days ahead of the broadcast, the head honcho of Disney (owner of ABC) said nobody has seen the final version of the mini series, implying that the final version would not be the same as the version that was criticised. I saw part of Part I and felt nauseated, not only by the inaccuracies but also by the Disney head honcho’s attitude: none of the scenes that I had read about prior to the broadcast was corrected.
I have decided to give ABC a boot and watch it as little as possible until such time they do something to admit error, except for George Stephanopolous’ This Week.
September 12th, 2006 at 4:06 pm[…] taken from Think Progress […]
September 12th, 2006 at 5:23 pmI have heard this lie of yours before…care to stop this time, because you are past three strike now.
Comment by Tracy — September 12, 2006 @ 2:10 pm
So, what now, incoherent is your new trick? You’re as adept at it as you are the fear-mongering.
You don’t even know the definition of the word lie. Probably why you ‘believe’ so many of the Bush Regime’s, while rejecting truth…
You still didn’t say anything. Prove Michael Moore lied.
September 12th, 2006 at 5:42 pm#106
You said that you have better things to do with your time than debate with me…multiple times; however you always seem to contradict your own advise. You say that you have better things to do that debate me but evidence suggests that you lie about this claim.
“You still didn’t say anything. Prove Michael Moore lied.”
You still didn’t READ anything. Did you even read the post? Apparently not….
Here is just one I picked at random…
Florida Purge of Convicted Felons from Voter Rolls
Deceit 4
Lie:
“According to Fahrenheit, Bush cronies hired Data Base Technologies to purge Florida voters who might vote for Gore, and these potential voters were purged from the voting rolls on the basis of race.”
Fact:
“Regardless, Moore’s suggestion that the purge was conducted on the basis of race was indisputably false. As the Palm Beach Post details, all the evidence shows that Data Base Technologies did not use race as a basis for the purge.”
Do you want to go thru all of them in the link?
September 12th, 2006 at 6:12 pmYou said that you have better things to do with your time than debate with me…multiple times; however you always seem to contradict your own advise. You say that you have better things to do that debate me but evidence suggests that you lie about this claim.
The evidence that I didn’t respond again until nearly 24 hours later? Sheesh Tracy, you’re such an amateur.
You really should look up this word ‘lie’. You aren’t even using it properly. My guess it that calling you a liar is so upsetting that you throw it out whenever you want to sting someone. Problem is, you you can’t even use the word properly, much less effectively.
Besides, that’s really what you’re focusing on? Proves you have nothing… As usual.
You still didn’t READ anything. Did you even read the post? Apparently not….
I read your post. YOU didn’t say anything.
Here is just one I picked at random…
“Regardless, Moore’s suggestion that the purge was conducted on the basis of race was indisputably false. As the Palm Beach Post details, all the evidence shows that Data Base Technologies did not use race as a basis for the purge.â€
How is that proof? It’s just an opinion. You can’t use the word ‘lie’ properly, why do I expect you to understand the word ‘prove’ either?
Do you want to go thru all of them in the link?
Comment by Tracy — September 12, 2006 @ 6:12 pm
Go ahead. They’ll all still be unsubstantiated opinion. I want facts.
September 12th, 2006 at 9:28 pm#108
“The evidence that I didn’t respond again until nearly 24 hours later?”
No, the evidence when you suggested that you have better things to do with your time. Time is inconsequential here.
“How is that proof? It’s just an opinion.”
When the evidence undeniably shows that race was not used as a litmus test for the purge that’s not an opinion. How is Moore’s suggestion that the purging of votes WAS based on race fact? You actually need EVIDENCE to support a claim. Where is the evidence? The burden of proof is with the prosecution.
“Go ahead. They’ll all still be unsubstantiated opinion. I want facts.”
I just gave you one.
Here is another random one…
“Having shown a clip from August 25 with Bush explaining how he likes to work on the ranch, Moore announces “George Bush spent the rest of the August at the ranch.” Not so, as Scott Marquardt found by looking at Bush’s activity for the very next day.
Sunday, August 26
Speaks at the Little League World Series in Williamsport, Pennsylvania.
Speaks at the U.S. Steel Group Steelworkers Picnic at Mon Valley Works, southeast of Pittsburgh.
He also visits some employees still working, not at the picnic.
Marquandt looked up Bush’s activities for the next three days:
Declared a major disaster area in Ohio and orders federal aid. This affects Brown, Butler, Clermont and Hamilton counties.
Sent a report on progress toward a “solution of the Cyprus question” to the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
Announced his intention to nominate Kathleen Burton Clarke to be Director of the Bureau of Land Management (Department of the Interior).
Spoke at the American Legion’s 83rd annual convention in San Antonio, discussing defense priorities.
Decommissioned the Air Force One jet that flew 444 missions, from the Nixon administration to Bush’s retirement ceremony for the plane in Waco, Texas.
Attended the dedication ceremony of the San Antonio Missions National Historical Park in San Antonio.
Announced appointment of 13 members of the Presidential Task Force to Improve Health Care Delivery for Our Nations Veterans.”
September 13th, 2006 at 1:08 pmNo, the evidence when you suggested that you have better things to do with your time. Time is inconsequential here.
No it isn’t. But, you do consider innocent Iraqi life to be inconsequential, so why not everything else…
When the evidence undeniably shows that race was not used as a litmus test for the purge that’s not an opinion.
But you didn’t post any evidence. You just referenced some unspecified ‘evidence’. You have to post the actual evidence. That’s proof.
How is Moore’s suggestion that the purging of votes WAS based on race fact? You actually need EVIDENCE to support a claim. Where is the evidence? The burden of proof is with the prosecution.
Tracy have you actually seen Fahrenheit 911? I’m guessing not… Which makes your copy and pasted opinions even more ridiculous.
The proof was many local representatives who had petitions of numerous specific people in their districts who were not allowed to vote, which were then signed by Members of Congress and presented to the Senate. There were thousands of real people. That’s evidence.
You said he lied. You made the assertion - therefore you have to prove he lied. You can’t.
I just gave you one.
No, you didn’t. You gave me an opinion.
“George Bush spent the rest of the August at the ranch.†Not so, as Scott Marquardt found by looking at Bush’s activity for the very next day.
Speaks at the Little League World Series in Williamsport, Pennsylvania.
Speaks at the U.S. Steel Group Steelworkers Picnic at Mon Valley Works, southeast of Pittsburgh.
He also visits some employees still working, not at the picnic.
First of all - that is really splitting hairs. If you’re hanging your hat on something that microscopic, you don’t have much at all.
Secondly, you posted heresay. Post proof that Bush did those equally inessential things that are no more valid than hanging out at his ranch.
The point is that Bush didn’t do anything productive. You keep missing the point…
Announced appointment of 13 members of the Presidential Task Force to Improve Health Care Delivery for Our Nations Veterans.â€
Comment by Tracy — September 13, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
You’re only making Bush look like a bigger goof-off than we already know him to be. None of those things are consequential in preventing Osama from attacking us - which is what he should have been doing. Hello, earth to Tracy…
September 13th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#110
“No it isn’t.”
Why did you say that you have better things to do with your time than debate with me when it’s apparent that you don’t?
“You just referenced some unspecified ‘evidence’.”
How do you figure the evidence is “unspecified”? The Palm Beach Post detailed the evidence.
Again, how is Moore’s suggestion that the purging of votes WAS based on race fact? You actually need EVIDENCE to support a claim. Where is the evidence?
“Tracy have you actually seen Fahrenheit 911?”
Why would I need to go see a propaganda film?
The proof was many local representatives who had petitions of numerous specific people in their districts who were not allowed to vote…”
That IS NOT proof about what we are specifically talking about here. Don’t attempt to change the subject it’s annoying. We were SPCIFICALLY talking about purged potential voters, felons in this case, that somehow almost made it onto voter rolls.
“No, you didn’t. You gave me an opinion.”
Opinion? It’s fact that Bush was not at his ranch enjoying his vacation as Moore said after August 25th. Moore lied.
“You made the assertion - therefore you have to prove he lied. You can’t.”
Moore made the false assertion that Bush was at his ranch after August 25, which was false.
“First of all - that is really splitting hairs.”
“Secondly, you posted heresay.”
How do you figure it was heresay? The president was either at those events or he wasn’t. Where is your proof that he wasn’t at all those events? You have to prove that Scott Marquardt lied…sound familiar?
“The point is that Bush didn’t do anything productive. You keep missing the point…
Announced appointment of 13 members of the Presidential Task Force to Improve Health Care Delivery for Our Nations Veterans.â€
Comment by Tracy — September 13, 2006 @ 1:08 pm”
That’s your UNQUALIFIED opinion.
I guess the following activities doesn’t fit your unqualified presidential activity test?…
“Declared a major disaster area in Ohio and orders federal aid. This affects Brown, Butler, Clermont and Hamilton counties.
Sent a report on progress toward a “solution of the Cyprus question†to the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.”
“None of those things are consequential in preventing Osama from attacking us - which is what he should have been doing. Hello, earth to Tracy…”
Now that sounds about right coming from somone who thinks that it was no big deal for Clinton to get a BJ while in the oval office and on the job. BTW it also doesn’t suprise me that you would think that it wasn’t important for Bush to announce the task force on how to improve health care delivery for our troops. There are other things that the president does asided from trying to prevent another terrorist attack. Hello, earth to Unbelievable….your name is suggesting just that.
September 13th, 2006 at 6:18 pmWhy did you say that you have better things to do with your time than debate with me when it’s apparent that you don’t?
It takes more effort to clean the litter box than debate you. That was my point…
Just like you neocons - try to tell people what they mean…
How do you figure the evidence is “unspecified� The Palm Beach Post detailed the evidence.
Because you didn’t post any evidence… that’s how.
Again, how is Moore’s suggestion that the purging of votes WAS based on race fact? You actually need EVIDENCE to support a claim. Where is the evidence?
I told you above. Sworn statements of thousands of people who were purged from predominantly black counties.
Why would I need to go see a propaganda film?
Then you have no right to have an opinion on it.
It wasn’t propaganda. As usual, you show your willful ignorance and then parroting points about which you know nothing yourself. Figures…
That IS NOT proof about what we are specifically talking about here.
Yes it is… Actual people count.
Don’t attempt to change the subject it’s annoying.
I didn’t. That’s your tactic. Glad you finally get why you are annoying.
We were SPCIFICALLY talking about purged potential voters, felons in this case, that somehow almost made it onto voter rolls.
But that’s NOT what Moore said in his film, which you can’t debate because you haven’t seen it.
Opinion? It’s fact that Bush was not at his ranch enjoying his vacation as Moore said after August 25th. Moore lied.
No, it’s not a fact until you prove it. You’ve just given heresay of what someone else said he was doing. Prove he was.
It’s still not a lie or consequential. Just proof that you have nothing of substance.
Moore made the false assertion that Bush was at his ranch after August 25, which was false.
You don’t know that - you haven’t seen the movie.
How do you figure it was heresay? The president was either at those events or he wasn’t. Where is your proof that he wasn’t at all those events? You have to prove that Scott Marquardt lied…sound familiar?
Yes, your attempts to dodge proving anything do sound terribly familiar.
Heresay is what someone told you that you repeated. It’s not proving anything.
That’s your UNQUALIFIED opinion.
No, it’s a fact that he did nothing that prevented 9/11.
I guess the following activities doesn’t fit your unqualified presidential activity test?…
See, there you did it again - changed the goal posts. I said he did nothing to stop Osama. And, no those things don’t qualify as PREVENTING TERRORISM.
Now that sounds about right coming from somone who thinks that it was no big deal for Clinton to get a BJ while in the oval office and on the job.
Your psychic abilities suck… pun intended. I’ve never said any such thing. And I am not a Clinton fan. Keep proving that you make up crap because you can’t prove things.
Besides this isn’t about Clinton. It’s about you proving Michael Moore lied in his film. You haven’t.
There are other things that the president does asided from trying to prevent another terrorist attack.
I guess Reading My Pet Goat to you is clearly more important than preventing terrorism then…
Yet, you cry that preventing terrorism is the most important thing we should be doing.
Make up your mind, hypocrite.
Hello, earth to Unbelievable….your name is suggesting just that.
Comment by Tracy — September 13, 2006 @ 6:18 pm
Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery… You do like to repeat things I say a lot.
The lower case word I posted in the ‘name’ box was in response to the unbelievable bullshit people like you spout. It’s not my name. You’re not very bright, are you?
At least I think for myself. The fact that i stand up to the left on the 9/11 Inside job nonsense. You NEVER disagree with the neocons. Makes you a puppet…
September 14th, 2006 at 5:37 pm“Why would I need to go see a propaganda film?”–Tracy
Yet you shamelessly defend THE PATH TO 9/11? And it’s easily one of the most poorly made propaganda films of all time. (And I forced myself to watch all five hours. Just to see how far the neocons would go–and they crossed the line too many times for comfort.)
“The proof was many local representatives who had petitions of numerous specific people in their districts who were not allowed to vote, which were then signed by Members of Congress and presented to the Senate. There were thousands of real people. That’s evidence.”–unbelievable
This is all fact. I saw Moore’s outstanding documentary twice. And the events you describe in the documentary were quite real. And certainly not staged.
I guess Tracy will soon be blaming Clinton for the Hurricane Katrina disaster also–and Dubya’s deliberately slow response to that crisis? I mean, the whole point of THE PATH TO 9/11–was to blame everyone but Bush for what happened to the Towers. The docudrama had very little heart or insight. The 2,996 World Trade Center Victims seemed to be a very minor part of this poorly made propaganda piece. So much for Christian compassion. I mean, he is a Christian, right? Except methinks he must be reading the Good Book upside down. And is more concerned about politics: and being thought of as a great war hero. No matter how many dead soldiers and civilians he leaves in his cold blooded wake. Just my two cents.
Dylan
September 16th, 2006 at 3:50 pmHow about a story about the second night of “The Path to 9/11″ leading ABC to a primetime ratings win?
September 17th, 2006 at 12:49 pmThey didn’t show the scene where accused rapist Bill CLinton was getting oral from Monica while discussing troop movements in Bosnia with a congressman on the telephone. Or the scene where accused molestor Bill Clinton was whacking it into the sink off the oval office while Yasar Arrafat waited. Or the scene where DNA Bill gropped Kathleen Whiley the day her husband committed suicide.
September 18th, 2006 at 12:48 am#113
“This is all fact.”
We weren’t talking about that voters what unbelievable was referring to. We were talking about felons…she wasn’t.
“And the events you describe in the documentary were quite real. And certainly not staged.”:
The events were sequenced in order to get people to think what Moore wanted you to think. His film was scripted to his liking.
“I guess Tracy will soon be blaming Clinton for the Hurricane Katrina disaster also–and Dubya’s deliberately slow response to that crisis?”
Absolutely not. When Hurrican Andrew hit in 1992 the FEMA response was much better (Bush Sr. was in office at the time). BTW what are you inferring by “deliberately” slow response…as if I didn’t know already?
“The docudrama had very little heart or insight.”
And F9/11 was nothing but propoganda. A bunch of clips that distort and take things out of context….something Moore had little regard for.
September 18th, 2006 at 1:41 pm#112
“It takes more effort to clean the litter box than debate you. That was my point…”
You must have one dirty ass cat then.
“Because you didn’t post any evidence… that’s how.”
The Palm Beach Post detailed the evidence that showed the race wasn’t a factor. Would it make you feel better if you had a signed letter from Gore’s former campaign manager accepting it? Where is your evidence that race was a factor? Where is Moore’s?
“I told you above. Sworn statements of thousands of people who were purged from predominantly black counties.”
Those sworn statements have ZERO to do with these FELLONS being kept off the voter rolls. Try again.
“Then you have no right to have an opinion on it.”
Who are you to say I can’t have an opinion about it?
“Yes it is… Actual people count.”
Again those people you cite aren’t part of what we are talking about here. BTW do you have a link that proves that these sworn statements actually exist? If not, it’s hearsay.
“But that’s NOT what Moore said in his film, which you can’t debate because you haven’t seen it.”
Then prove that YOU have seen it and cite what Moore said considering you are saying that he was referring to something other that what was in my link.
“No, it’s not a fact until you prove it. You’ve just given heresay of what someone else said he was doing. Prove he was.”
The accuser (Moore) should have to provide proof the Bush was at his ranch after August 25. Where is his proof? Moore has given nothing but heresay either.
“No, it’s a fact that he did nothing that prevented 9/11.”
Where is your proof that Bush did NOTHING?
“See, there you did it again - changed the goal posts. I said he did nothing to stop Osama. And, no those things don’t qualify as PREVENTING TERRORISM.”
You said the he didn’t do anything PRODUCTIVE on those days after August 25 and I am telling you that you are unqualified to make that determination.
These are YOUR words: “The point is that Bush didn’t do anything productive. You keep missing the point…”
“I’ve never said any such thing.”
OK, do you think it was a big deal that Clinton got a BJ in the Oval Office while on the job?
“It’s about you proving Michael Moore lied in his film.”
You haven’t proved he is telling the truth either.
“Yet, you cry that preventing terrorism is the most important thing we should be doing.”
Well at least I will give the president a little time to attend to other things that he needs to be doing like trying to make healthcare delivery better for our soldiers. Just because that terrorism is the #1 priority that the president has, he does have other things he needs to do you know and apparently the proceeding one I mentioned isn’t that important as far as you are concerned.
“Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery… You do like to repeat things I say a lot.”
I do my best to get down on you comprehension level.
“It’s not my name.”
I said your screen name is suggesting that you are unbelievable. And you say I am not too bright? That’s funny.
“At least I think for myself.”
And you say my psychic ablilities suck? That’s even more funny.
“You NEVER disagree with the neocons. ”
Oh yes I have, and have said on multiple occasions that the current lot of Republican’s suck need to be replaced with true conservatives. I am going to assume that wasn’t a lie and the again you haven’t been paying close attention.
September 18th, 2006 at 1:43 pmTracy,
Still nothing credible or intelligent to say I see…. Figures. Crawl back under the bed.
September 18th, 2006 at 4:03 pmIt’s a good thing you aren’t a prosecutor…keep you day job.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:19 pmIt’s a good thing for you. You were debunked and revealed by my second post.
Wake me if you say anything intelligent. I won’t hold my breath.
September 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pmYou haven’t debunked anything. You defended F9/11 as a factual documentary but offered nothing that proves anything that Moore asserts in his film is factual. Remember…
“A statement of fact or a factual claim is a statement that is presented as an accurate representation of a situation, event, or condition, and that is capable of being either proved or disproved.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
Moore disregarded context. Anyone could put together portions of real clips of any politician, put them in a scripted order and make them look bad…which is what Moore did.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:51 pmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tracy,
That wasn’t intelligent. Not even remotely close.
You’re the one who claimed it wasn’t factual. I told you to prove it wasn’t, and you can’t. You haven’t even seen the movie. Go read the entire thread on Novak criticizing The Daily Show which he has never seen either. The same comments apply to you as do to Novak.
Crawl back in your hole. The only thing you’re doing here is looking ignorant and paranoid, and we already knew that about you.
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#122
“You’re the one who claimed it wasn’t factual. I told you to prove it wasn’t, and you can’t.”
You are the one who claimed it was and I asked you to prove it was but you haven’t. You haven’t even proven that you have see the film.
September 20th, 2006 at 7:48 pmI believe that almost 7% more americans watched a pointless football game than find out what actually happened on 9/11, I watched the discovery channels 9/11 special about the FDNY that was an amazing program that was almost moving to me. I believe that even though many americans watched the game many others watched the special and were moved by this horrofying story of truth and sarrow
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