so Joe… you liked the comment?
this mean we’re friends?

What is more troubling is the War College Report. They knew. They knew exactly what would happen.

Exley, how do you feel about the choices this Administration has made vis a vis Iraq, knowing what is in the Report?

Killer Whale,

Saw that ad on Keith Olberman show, God bless those Vets…

…other than maybe Jack Cafferty (on CNN), Keith seems to be the only TRUE patriot left on television…

…have you checked out olberman’s “Special comments” of late?

…until we get more “reporters” on line like Olberman- and get rid of the Wolf Blitzer (Bushite apologists)…

…America is poised to be “fools” again come November…

Big Pop

You are right – but I think that movement is starting to happen a little bit.

Go to:

http://www.votevets.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=42

Click to see the ad in the upper right hand corner.

thanks for the pep talk…

…but until we take back our airwaves…

…our message remains muddled…

…America’s too dumb to figure it out all alone…

B N F

You are welcome.

Did you get a chance to visit the link mentioned in post # 185?

Exley, I know that in the past, I have accused you of blindly supporting this Administration. I am curious as to your take after you finish reading the report.

Briseadh na Faire

This should do it:

“Reconstructing Iraq: Insights, Challenges, and Missions for Military Forces in a Post-Conflict Scenario” – U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Studies Institute

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB182.pdf

They post their conclusions early in the write up on page 7.

No, the good folks weren’t just that. what you think are “good folks” are craving a$$ hole lying cowards who would never risk their life for nothing–just like you. Mouse is a good screen name. Your a failure, a fraud, a chicken $hit, a turd, don’t bathe often, should brush your teeth more often, and licking lush limbals should ashame your family. On a positive note–your a complete $cum bag–no offense.

could you provide a link? I would like to read it as well.

Thanks

Exley

Glad you were able to find it.

I haven’t looked at it in awhile – but if I remember correctly they stated their conclusions early in the discourse over about six or eight bullet points. Most of the points were dead-on. But I think the last few bullet points were like looking into a crystal ball.

When you are done ( or somewhat done ) with the current report – you may be interested in another article.

It is an interview of Ayatollah Bakr al Hakim. Bakr al Hakim was tortured by Saddam and his family members were killed and also tortured. He fled to Iran and formed a militia.

This is a man who has more of a vested interest in getting Saddam than any of the people mentioned in the post by “Mouse.”

I think you will find his February, 2003 opinion of the then upcoming invasion enlightening.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/iraq/resistance_2-25.html

If the link does not work, Google:

“Elizabeth Farnsworth” “Voice of Resistance” “online newshour” “bakr al hakim”

Let me kow what you think.

-So, it was all a big lie? Guess we’d have to conclude that all these good folks were lying to the American people too then.

Oh I forgot, it was only a lie when the republicans said it.

The information that Democratic senators were shown was the product of cherry-picking. All of the intelligence that didn’t agree with what the White House wanted them to believe had long since been removed.

So, if you want to say the Democrats were lying, when they were naive enough to think that the president wouldn’t provide them with false data to get us into a war and then based their decisions on that false data, you go ahead and do that. But, it doesn’t fit the commonly accepted definition of a lie.

Why do you suppose they don’t believe the president anymore the way you do? Could it be that they found out he really was low enough and sick enough to tell great big whopping lies just so he could get us into a war? Why do you suppose they don’t trust the president with warrantless wiretapping? Could it be that they realize that he’s so unprincipled and downright sociopathic that he would use warrantless wiretaps to spy on political opponents? That would be my guess. Hey, why not? We know for a fact that the U.S. had bugged the phones of the UN Security Council members when Bush was trying to start a war with Iraq and wanted their support.

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

“Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production.” — Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

“Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” – Bob Graham, December 2002

“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed.” — Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

“(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. …And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War.” — John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources — something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” — John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

“Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East.” — John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

-So, it was all a big lie? Guess we’d have to conclude that all these good folks were lying to the American people too then.

Oh I forgot, it was only a lie when the republicans said it.

Come on Big Papa – Where is your FIGHTING SPIRIT ??? !!!

Yes – you can beat City Hall.

And Yes – you can beat the Terror Pimps.

We just have to stay focused and organized and quickly reveal the truth after they attempt to ’spin’ their misdeeds into something positive.

Go to http://www.thegroundtruth.net

See the film.

When it is available on DVD – get it and let others check it out.

Bill Kristol has a “distribution” advantage by sitting in a FOX studio and talking shit which is heard instanteously. It is a difficult advantage to overcome.

But grassroots word of mouth is powerful, too. Especially in this case when the Troops Are Speaking For Themselves – not Newt Gingrich – or other chickenhawks pretending to be speaking for them.

No more “you can’t beat city hall” stuff out of you Big Papa !

Keep your head up.

…he’s in the process of pulling off one of the greatest heists in history…

…and he has over sixty million suckers who’ve got his back…

…you really can’t beat City Hall…

…and you certainly can’t beat the White House’s fear/war/profit mongering machine that is the criminal Bushite junta!