Comments on: Bush Rewrites History on Zarqawi Statements http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:34:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Rolling Stone National Affairs Daily » Blog Archive » Terrorist-Harboring Related Program Activites http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-1069894 Rolling Stone National Affairs Daily » Blog Archive » Terrorist-Harboring Related Program Activites Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:44:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-1069894 [...] Think Progress sets the record straight. -- Tim Dickinson [...] [...] Think Progress sets the record straight. – Tim Dickinson [...]

]]> By: Global Geopolitics News » Middle East News - The Zarqawi affair, part 4 of 15 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-862700 Global Geopolitics News » Middle East News - The Zarqawi affair, part 4 of 15 Sat, 23 Sep 2006 06:14:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-862700 [...] Bush Rewrites History on Zarqawi Statements Think Progress, DC - Sep 15, 2006 During today s press conference, ABC News reporter Martha Raddatz asked Bush why he continues to say Saddam had relations with Zarqawi, despite the [...] [...] Bush Rewrites History on Zarqawi Statements Think Progress, DC – Sep 15, 2006 During today s press conference, ABC News reporter Martha Raddatz asked Bush why he continues to say Saddam had relations with Zarqawi, despite the [...]

]]> By: tru_thordare http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-829988 tru_thordare Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:43:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-829988 How many women and children have been killed to achive your objectives, "O fearless one"? (and you allegedly stand for Right to Life!) How many women and children have been killed to achive your objectives, “O fearless one”? (and you allegedly stand for Right to Life!)

]]> By: kaes http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-827851 kaes Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:40:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-827851 How all this is mother of all smoke screen. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4556113.stm Kaes How all this is mother of all smoke screen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4556113.stm

Kaes

]]> By: Kay http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-825803 Kay Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-825803 Bush is a LSOS (Lying Sack of Shit) Bush is a LSOS (Lying Sack of Shit)

]]> By: onion http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-825677 onion Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:02:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-825677 <strong>NEWSFLASH: BUSH IS LYING</strong> NEWSFLASH: BUSH IS LYING

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-825559 katy Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:57:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-825559 if you haven't already, you have got to see dubya's meltdown with david gregory: <em>Bush Presser and Gregory By: John Amato on Friday, September 15th, 2006 at 11:33 AM - PDT Bush refused to accept Gregory’s question which is very relevant to the discussion about Article III. It was never vague before. As Ezra says, This is by far the pissiest press conference Bush has given. He’s furious. I assume his feet are manacled behind the microphone. Otherwise, he’d be stalking across the stage, tearing apart the podium, and occasionally leaping into the crowd to rip out David Gregory’s heart…</em> video and links: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/15/bush-presser-and-gregory/ . if you haven’t already, you have got to see dubya’s meltdown with david gregory:

Bush Presser and Gregory
By: John Amato on Friday, September 15th, 2006 at 11:33 AM – PDT
Bush refused to accept Gregory’s question which is very relevant to the discussion about Article III. It was never vague before. As Ezra says,

This is by far the pissiest press conference Bush has given. He’s furious. I assume his feet are manacled behind the microphone. Otherwise, he’d be stalking across the stage, tearing apart the podium, and occasionally leaping into the crowd to rip out David Gregory’s heart…

video and links: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/15/bush-presser-and-gregory/
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]]> By: CyraBrown http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-825453 CyraBrown Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:50:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-825453 As more information is revealed, exposing all of the Lies BushCo has showered us with over the years, these denials will become more frequent, more ridiculous and more obvious to those who are a bit slower on the uptake. Even if the reporters do not play 'gotcha!' with the President, at least they are getting him on record giving us the proof we need to show that he has been lying all along. The ability to compare his actual statements, then and now is vitally important. This is the only proof that the Righties will accept, no matter how they nitpick and parse the words. They are doing that in a last desperate attempt to save themselves as well. They all went along with BushCo, and are 'guilty by association', and they know it. The clock is ticking... As more information is revealed, exposing all of the Lies BushCo has showered us with over the years, these denials will become more frequent, more ridiculous and more obvious to those who are a bit slower on the uptake. Even if the reporters do not play ‘gotcha!’ with the President, at least they are getting him on record giving us the proof we need to show that he has been lying all along. The ability to compare his actual statements, then and now is vitally important. This is the only proof that the Righties will accept, no matter how they nitpick and parse the words. They are doing that in a last desperate attempt to save themselves as well. They all went along with BushCo, and are ‘guilty by association’, and they know it. The clock is ticking…

]]> By: kerry thomas http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-825425 kerry thomas Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:31:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-825425 MADANASCAR hey! you're biting my butt ...(thru a mouth full of butt) no i'm not! MADANASCAR

hey! you’re biting my butt

…(thru a mouth full of butt) no i’m not!

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-824814 barfly Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:30:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-824814 From Steed: <em>You haven’t debunked anything. Zarqawi was in Baghdad. The Committee concluded in 2004 that the CIA reasonably assessed that the al-Qa’ida or associated operatives were present in 2002 in Baghdad, and in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq. The Committee noted that the CIA approached the issue of safehaven by describing the presence of al-Qa’ida and individuals associated with Ansar al-Islam-mainly the al-Zarqawi network-and explaining why the Iraqi regime likely knew of their presence in Baghdad and Kurdish areas. Given the pervasive presence of Iraq’s security apparatus, it would be difficult for al-Qa’ida to maintain an active, long-term presence in Iraq without alerting the authorities or without at least their acquiescence. </em> Comment by Steed Lankershim — September 15, 2006 @ 6:46 pm From the report (emphasis mine): "<em>Reporting shows that <strong>unknown numbers of al-Qa'ida associates fleeing Afghanistan since December have used Iraq </strong>- including the Kurdish areas of nothern Iraq, Baghdad, and other regions - as a safehaven and transit area. <strong>We lack positive indications that Baghdad is complicit in this activity</strong>, but the persistence of an al-Qai'da presence and the operatives silence <strong>may indicate </strong>that Baghdad is acquiescent or finds their presence useful.</em>" Did you think I wouldn't check, Steed? So let's review: "[. . .] unknown numbers" doesn't translate to Steed's assertion that "Zarqawi was in Baghdad." Strawman one bites the dust. "We lack positive indications that Baghdad is complicit in this activity." Your clumsy paraphrase omits the operative part (a lie by omission): that there is no proof that "Baghdad was complicit," the rest is supposition, on the part of the commission, and you. Strawman two, sent home crying to mama. "May indicate" also doesn't mean "Zarqawi was in Baghdad," does it? Your are an intellectual fraud, as I've just shown, but thanks for trying. From Steed:
You haven’t debunked anything. Zarqawi was in Baghdad.

The Committee concluded in 2004 that the CIA reasonably assessed that the al-Qa’ida or associated operatives were present in 2002 in Baghdad, and in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq. The Committee noted that the CIA approached the issue of safehaven by describing the presence of al-Qa’ida and individuals associated with Ansar al-Islam-mainly the al-Zarqawi network-and explaining why the Iraqi regime likely knew of their presence in Baghdad and Kurdish areas.

Given the pervasive presence of Iraq’s security apparatus, it would be difficult for al-Qa’ida to maintain an active, long-term presence in Iraq without alerting the authorities or without at least their acquiescence.

Comment by Steed Lankershim — September 15, 2006 @ 6:46 pm

From the report (emphasis mine): “Reporting shows that unknown numbers of al-Qa’ida associates fleeing Afghanistan since December have used Iraq - including the Kurdish areas of nothern Iraq, Baghdad, and other regions – as a safehaven and transit area. We lack positive indications that Baghdad is complicit in this activity, but the persistence of an al-Qai’da presence and the operatives silence may indicate that Baghdad is acquiescent or finds their presence useful.”

Did you think I wouldn’t check, Steed?

So let’s review:

“[. . .] unknown numbers” doesn’t translate to Steed’s assertion that “Zarqawi was in Baghdad.”

Strawman one bites the dust.

“We lack positive indications that Baghdad is complicit in this activity.”

Your clumsy paraphrase omits the operative part (a lie by omission): that there is no proof that “Baghdad was complicit,” the rest is supposition, on the part of the commission, and you.

Strawman two, sent home crying to mama.

“May indicate” also doesn’t mean “Zarqawi was in Baghdad,” does it?

Your are an intellectual fraud, as I’ve just shown, but thanks for trying.

]]> By: APwu Steward http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-824507 APwu Steward Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:32:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-824507 I guess this all depends on what your definition of is, is... What a load of crap. I guess this all depends on what your definition of is, is…

What a load of crap.

]]> By: Bill+from+Dover http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-824373 Bill+from+Dover Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:55:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-824373 Yeah, and he never said that Sadam <em>ordered</em> the 9/11 attacks either. Get off the Liar-in-Chief's back. Yeah, and he never said that Sadam ordered the 9/11 attacks either. Get off the Liar-in-Chief’s back.

]]> By: pessimist http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823947 pessimist Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:26:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823947 <a href="http://www.themoderntribune.com/colin_powell_un_february_5_2003_-_colin_powell_present_case_on_war_on_iraq_to_united_nations.htm" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is Colin Powell at the UN on 2/5/03, promoting the upcoming Iraq war: <blockquote>But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the al-Qaida terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organisations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbours a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida lieutenants. </blockquote> He used Zarqawi's name more that 20 times in that speech, even though Zarqawi seems to have been in a part of the country that was controlled by the Kurds, not Saddam. Also, Bush prevented the US military from taking Zarqawi out in 2002. (see <a href="http://zfacts.com/p/653.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> from WSJ, 10/25/04 and <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/" rel="nofollow">this</a> from MSNBC) Here is Colin Powell at the UN on 2/5/03, promoting the upcoming Iraq war:

But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the al-Qaida terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organisations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbours a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida lieutenants.

He used Zarqawi’s name more that 20 times in that speech, even though Zarqawi seems to have been in a part of the country that was controlled by the Kurds, not Saddam.

Also, Bush prevented the US military from taking Zarqawi out in 2002. (see this from WSJ, 10/25/04 and this from MSNBC)

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823896 JPark Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:02:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823896 Mr. Evil, you know they can't function without the talking points. Rove must be busy with Mehlman going over the...uh...budget? No, that isn't it. Foreign policy? Nooooo. They must be going over gay rights...Somehow I think that is closer to the truth. Mr. Evil, you know they can’t function without the talking points. Rove must be busy with Mehlman going over the…uh…budget? No, that isn’t it. Foreign policy? Nooooo. They must be going over gay rights…Somehow I think that is closer to the truth.

]]> By: Mr. Evil http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823794 Mr. Evil Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:29:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823794 Where are all the trolls? U-Wrong-U, Mighty Aphrodummy or Mighty Aphrodykie (whatever), Exley, etc. Where are all the trolls? U-Wrong-U, Mighty Aphrodummy or Mighty Aphrodykie (whatever), Exley, etc.

]]> By: buzzbomb http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823785 buzzbomb Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:23:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823785 Bush does live in OZ, he's the chief flying monkey taking orders from cheney, the wicked witch. Bush does live in OZ, he’s the chief flying monkey taking orders from cheney, the wicked witch.

]]> By: neopro http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823748 neopro Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:12:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823748 If Bush ever finds himself in the land of OZ, he should ask the wizard for a brain, a heart, and some courage. If Bush ever finds himself in the land of OZ, he should ask the wizard for a brain, a heart, and some courage.

]]> By: Hesiod http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823617 Hesiod Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:16:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823617 "Sadam did not...have...relations with that terrorist, Mr. Zarqawi." “Sadam did not…have…relations with that terrorist, Mr. Zarqawi.”

]]> By: CakeWalk My Ass http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823553 CakeWalk My Ass Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:01:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823553 the monkey finally understands. the monkey finally understands.

]]> By: yowzer http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-823419 yowzer Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:03:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/15/bush-zarqawi-iraq/#comment-823419 "WTF? Are Repuglicans really that frigging stupid?" Oh yea. . “WTF? Are Repuglicans really that frigging stupid?”

Oh yea.
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