ThinkFast: September 17, 2006 — Ballot Watch Edition
ThinkFast: September 17, 2006 — Ballot Watch Edition
The major group fighting against the proposed constitutional ban on same-sex marriages in Virginia — the Commonwealth Coalition — has raised twice as much as the largest proponent of the amendment.
A new ad opposing stem cell research in Missouri “warns that young women might sell their eggs for money” if the measure passes. In fact, the amendment specifically states “no person may buy or sell human blastocysts or eggs for stem cell research, therapies or cures.”
A judge has approved a November initiative that will allow voters in Sarasota, Florida, to decide “whether to continue using computerized voting booths or go back to paper ballots.”
A Nevada initiative to raise the minimum wage is backed by 77 percent of state voters, including 79 percent of independents and 64 percent of Republicans.
A Montana judge last week invalidated three right-wing ballot measures “aiming to rein in government powers,” citing what he called a “pervasive and general pattern of fraud” by out-of-state signature-gatherers.
Topic Cloud
ArchivesBlog Roll
I like the ballot initiative on whether to continue to use computerized voting booths in Nevada. Too bad the voting will be done in computerized voting booths. If ever there was a conflict of interest, that would be it.
September 17th, 2006 at 12:42 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
Some what on point, to something…Yesterday while flipping the channels looking for something worth watching I noted more than usual relegious leaning political speeches both on C-span and the usual bible thumping one’s..
My question to one and all is this….Why aren’t these televangelests and relegious zelot’s being taxed.? Clearly they have a huge business here. Do they think those of us that are guided by the constitution, not by relegion and fear don’t see their huge churches, $ 1,000 suits and continious cry to send money to save soul’s….. Give me a break…Everyday of the week has as many of these channels as the home shopping crap……Buy a bobble or a bible need’s to be taxed, no more exemptions please…….Blessings
September 17th, 2006 at 12:54 pmNevada does have computerized voting, but we also have paper verification. I know of no ballot initiative to stop using computerized ballots.
September 17th, 2006 at 12:55 pmWomen already sell their eggs to clinics for invitro fertilization. However, since trade in human eggs is illegal, they are compensated for the discomfort endured during the procedures and not the actual material. I’m guessing that the same loophole applies for any private research, also.
September 17th, 2006 at 12:58 pmThe major group fighting against the proposed constitutional ban on same-sex marriages in Virginia — the Commonwealth Coalition — has raised twice as much as the largest proponent of the amendment.
Ya gotta be twice as rich to beat the haters…
September 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pmWomen already sell their eggs to invitro clinics. Since trade in human eggs is illegal, they are technically compensated for the discomfort endured during the procedure instead of the actual eggs.
Any legislation regarding stem cell research will have no impact on women selling eggs for money, because they already do!
September 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pmThis seems to be the only way to teach libs / progs / Dems that no matter how right you think you may be, you DO NOT defy the American voter. It is sad that Dems couldn’t compromise and create civil unions, now homosexuals will get nothing. Dems poorly serve all their constituents through their hubris.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pmA new ad opposing stem cell research in Missouri “warns that young women might sell their eggs for money†if the measure passes. In fact, the amendment specifically states “no person may buy or sell human blastocysts or eggs for stem cell research, therapies or cures.â€
Gotta keep a short rein on those unruly wimmin folk. Just gotta make sure they don’t do what they ain’t allowed to do anyway.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pmA judge has approved a November initiative that will allow voters in Sarasota, Florida, to decide “whether to continue using computerized voting booths or go back to paper ballots.â€
So, will they be voting on this measure on computerized voting booths…?
September 17th, 2006 at 1:04 pmA Nevada initiative to raise the minimum wage is backed by 77 percent of state voters, including 79 percent of independents and 64 percent of Republicans.
Good, good, good. It might just pass…
September 17th, 2006 at 1:05 pmThat is one perceptive judge: he knows that “Right Wing” equals “Fraud” by definition.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:05 pmA new ad opposing stem cell research in Missouri “warns that young women might sell their eggs for money†if the measure passes.
Really. So if you have thousands of legal abortions, thousands of miscarriages, and world wide availability to buy MILLIONS of the stem cells from women across the entire planet who have abortions and miscarriages – you think people will want to buy eggs from women in Missouri why? Are the Grade A Jumbo eggs or what?
September 17th, 2006 at 1:06 pmA Montana judge last week invalidated three right-wing ballot measures “aiming to rein in government powers,†citing what he called a “pervasive and general pattern of fraud†by out-of-state signature-gatherers.
*snort*
September 17th, 2006 at 1:07 pmDems poorly serve all their constituents through their hubris.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
You crack me up.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:09 pmAre the Grade A Jumbo eggs or what?
Comment by bones
Too funny…
Maybe they’re corn-fed…?
September 17th, 2006 at 1:10 pmGood Day Zooey, good post’s today as usual….I’m otta here for awhile, got some cute little trees to plant, (maple’s and cedar’s)…..
A bravo to the Montana judge and all others working to save our country and constitution..
Remember all posters, all the jason h. type trolls that post here want Democrat’s ” distroyed”…Beware of the terrorest’s with in our own country..Don’t buy into their lies, we have them on the run and if we refuse to feed them they will starve and leave…….Blessings all, we need them..Peace for the children of the world….Impeach and jail all traitors to our country.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:23 pm#17, Cox plural,
Yes, all those libs / Dems / progs that would use judicial activism to deny American voters their constitutional rights can only be destroyed, since there is no reasoning with them, and they will do anything to undermine the existing processes that allowed the US to rise above all other countries in the world. Because of Dems recent behaviour, this conclusion has become obvious to more and more conservatives, who are now redoubling their efforts to not merely block your attempts to undermine this country, but destroy your ability to make any attempts of any kind – that is all that can be done with you. You have used up your priveledges through bad faith attacks against the American system, so now you get nothing – as homosexuals have now learned the hard way.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:32 pmWhat the hey? You can sell chicken eggs but a chick can’t sell her eggs.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:46 pmBack at ya Zooey, If I had my druther’s it would be the Bitterroot Valley from Missoula south to Darby…or Clinton maybe….Big area I have mentioned here, love the country and the people…..Some of my appalosa horses are in Helena and Corvalles….Don’t care for the constant wind in Helena but the town is great, small and full of charm…Haven’t been to Billings but will go in the spring….Another great place is Kallespel, but a bit pricy…Guess there isn’t a place I woulden’t go in Montana……From the time I pass over the cascades on my way back, all through eastern Wash and northern Idaho to Montana is a great trip and when I get there I hate to leave…..This next time I won’t, am retired and will stay. The mind set and slower pace of life along with down to earth care is the draw…….Blessings
September 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pmYou have used up your priveledges through bad faith attacks against the American system, so now you get nothing – as homosexuals have now learned the hard way.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
I’m pretty sure the homosexuals are getting more of everything than you are.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#21, btru,
Presidential signing statements prevent the enforcement of bad laws before they harm citizens. It forces a judicial review before the government abuses its power. Once SCOTUS renders a decision, the Congress and the President can move forward with the proper guidance, as the the framers of the constitution would have wanted.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:51 pm#22, btru,
Yet another prog obsessed with my sex life – get in line …
September 17th, 2006 at 1:52 pm#24, zoo,
OK, I’ll bite, what’s that supposed to mean?
September 17th, 2006 at 1:56 pmROTFL …Zooey and trueblue,……Keep up the good post’s, no playing nicely on Sunday’s…..Love the open thread’s….Funny, ha ha, how trolls alway’s revert to the homo and sex talk….Guess it goes along with those that can’t will try to teach….LOL….Blessings
September 17th, 2006 at 2:10 pmOK, I’ll bite, what’s that supposed to mean?
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
You really do crack me up.
September 17th, 2006 at 2:11 pm#25, if they are “bad laws”, then why is Bush signing them?
September 17th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#30, cyn,
Bills generally have many, many provisions within them, with only certain portions being questionable. Instead of vetoing the whole bill, the president will use presidential signing statements to challenge only the questionable portions. Instead of simply vetoing bills over and over, the presidential signing statements, with their intended judicial challenges, will chasten congress from trying to infringe on the powers of the other two branches, the power of the states and the power of the citizens, as the framers intended.
September 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pmInstead of vetoing the whole bill, the president will use presidential signing statements to challenge only the questionable portions. Instead of simply vetoing bills over and over, the presidential signing statements, with their intended judicial challenges, will chasten congress from trying to infringe on the powers of the other two branches, the power of the states and the power of the citizens, as the framers intended.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
Stop, you’re killing me! My sides are splitting, I’m laughing so hard…
Go ahead, do another one.
September 17th, 2006 at 2:32 pm#32, makes no sense. It’s the president’s job to negotiate these things with congress. A bill is an all or nothing deal.
September 17th, 2006 at 2:35 pmJason, does it hurt when you pull those answers outof your @$$?
I agree Zooey, he is funny as heck this morning.
September 17th, 2006 at 2:42 pmlmao
When is TP going to get rid of the + marks in the middle of screen names? Judd told me he thought it must be a glitch, but I think it’s a cyber troll mischief?!
September 17th, 2006 at 2:54 pmsoon will be 12 years of corrupt voting machines ….. no point saying who will win again this year……… switzerland offered to give america bug free voting machines …why not take them up on the offer after november
September 17th, 2006 at 3:34 pmAmazing. Because I don’t support same sex marriage, I am a hater? You have no idea why I don’t support it. Actually I believe there should be some sort of same sex union or something, that affords homosexual couples the same rights, priv’s and drawbacks that married couples enjoy. I ONLY oppose it, because I refuse to redefine the word marriage to accomodate someone elses desires. The word marriage has been defined for over 50 centuries.
Barring that, I have no problems whatsoever with same sex couples. Does that make me a hater? nope, just ask my friends, both same sex couples and opposite sex couples. Does it mean I don’t want to call it marriage between people of the same sex? yes, it needs to be called something else.
September 17th, 2006 at 3:35 pmDouglas G,
It is what it is. Just because something has been done a certain way for a very long time, doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be changed.
If you don’t have a problem with same sex couples, then what’s the problem? Semantics?
September 17th, 2006 at 3:44 pmyes, it needs to be called something else.
Comment by Douglas G — September 17, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
What like DIVORCE? Most modern marriages end in divorce anyway… Clearly the definition itself has changed to something other than what it was for “50 centuries” (LOL)…
Try getting a hobby. You have way too much time on your hands if your worry about what other people call their relationships.
September 17th, 2006 at 3:44 pmYou have no idea why I don’t support it. Actually I believe there should be some sort of same sex union or something, that affords homosexual couples the same rights, priv’s and drawbacks that married couples enjoy. I ONLY oppose it, because I refuse to redefine the word marriage to accomodate someone elses desires. The word marriage has been defined for over 50 centuries.
Barring that, I have no problems whatsoever with same sex couples. Does that make me a hater? nope, just ask my friends, both same sex couples and opposite sex couples. Does it mean I don’t want to call it marriage between people of the same sex? yes, it needs to be called something else.
Comment by Douglas G — September 17, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
So the only reason you don’t support it is because you don’t want to change the “meaning” of the word? is that a really good reason to crucify two people in love because you don’t want to change the definition of a word? Here’s a list of words that have changed meanings since their inception as almost every word has, it’s called progress:
Many words used in modern English have changed their meaning over the years. This is shown in the table below.
Word Original Meaning
awful deserving of awe
brave cowardice (as in bravado)
counterfeit legitimate copy
girl young person of either sex
guess take aim
knight boy
luxury sinful self indulgence
neck parcel of land (as in neck of the woods)
notorious famous
nuisance injury, harm
quick alive (as in quicksilver)
sophisticated corrupted
tell to count (as in bank teller)
truant beggar
The word silly meant blessed or happy in the 11th century going through pious, innocent, harmless, pitiable, feeble, feeble minded before finally ending up as foolish or stupid.
Pretty began as crafty then changed via clever, skilfully made, fine to beautiful.
Buxom began with the meaning obedient and changed via compliant, lively, plump to large breasted.
The word nice meant stupid and foolish in the late 13th Century. It went through a number of changes including wanton, extravagant, elegant, strange, modest, thin, and shy. By the middle of the 18th Century it had gained its current meaning of pleasant and agreeable.
Words are changing meaning now: consider how the words bad and gay have changed in recent years.
September 17th, 2006 at 3:57 pmAnd as for your Christian “definition” of marriage I offer the following, the world is a big place and because “you” don’t know something exists or has existed in our world doesn’t make it not so:
Oddest forms of marriage
Marriages between young children and old men were not unknown at various times in history, nor – more recently – are marriages between people of the same sex. More strange than any of these is surely marriage between a human being and an animal (which history has recorded) or between a human being and a tree! Tree marriages were prevalent in various parts of India. Among the Brahmans of southern India it was the custom that a younger brother should not marry before an older one. To satisfy the requirement, when there is no bride in sight for a senior brother, he is ceremoniously married to a tree (or to the spirit inside the tree) to allow the younger brother to take a wife. In some instances tree marriages occur at the same time as the marriage of the couple, the idea being that evil influence which may attach to the married pair be diverted to the tree.
September 17th, 2006 at 4:21 pmFunnily enough Last night I finaly watched brokeback mountain
Although i am not Homophobic at all , I did have to forward wind the bits with the blokes kissing ..Yuk
so long as those camp turd burgling chutney ferrets stay away from my rusty bullet hole fine? I have nothing against gays – let them get married if they want – who am I to say anything against them
Made it to the end of the film which I thought was crap
But the one thing I noticed was how poor some people in America are ??
September 17th, 2006 at 4:30 pmHeres a good one for the pope to say .”mohammad was a phedaphile” never mind Mohammads dying words were “take the sword of Islam to the rest of the world” he married his best friends 9 year old daughter
FACT
September 17th, 2006 at 4:32 pm#46 LOL! Don’t give Republicans any more ideas or they’ll be writing tree marriages into our Constitution. Then again Bob Dole may have been better off marrying a tree.
September 17th, 2006 at 4:36 pmYet another prog obsessed with my sex life – get in line …
September 17th, 2006 at 4:44 pm================================================
That’s right and we’re gonna shove our lifestyle right down your throat…Bawhahahahahaha!
But the one thing I noticed was how poor some people in America are ??
Comment by Tobey+Tall — September 17, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
Some? There are a lot. It’s how the rich Americans keep getting richer.
We only parade the wealthy ones around…
September 17th, 2006 at 4:52 pmWow Jason – you’re on fire today eh? It’s always fun to stop by and watch you make an ass of yourself, and you never disappoint. You’ve managed to claim the judicial system will both destroy us and save us all on the same thread, Bwahahahahahaha. And the one about hubris, that was funnier than hell – but not as funny as your schtick on signing statments – really, they’ve all been gold today Jason, thanks for the laughs.
September 17th, 2006 at 6:18 pmI oppose homosexuality, in general, because biblically it’s forbidden. It’s just not right.
September 17th, 2006 at 6:20 pmI oppose homosexuality, in general, because biblically it’s forbidden. It’s just not right.
Comment by Daryll — September 17, 2006 @ 6:20 pm
The Bible was written by a bunch of violent heat-stroked men living in the desert who had hallucinations of talking bushes on fire, talking donkeys and fire-breathing dragons… It’s not the authority for the majority of the world. Only 33% are self-claimed Christians. Therefore, right and wrong are merely personal perspectives and not absolutes through which one person should deny another person’s rights.
September 17th, 2006 at 6:40 pmThank God for Diebold and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, particularly its Chief of Naval Operations John O’Neill.
September 17th, 2006 at 6:58 pmI oppose homosexuality, in general, because biblically it’s forbidden. It’s just not right.
Comment by Daryll
If you’re not attracted to men, then mind your own business.
If you are attracted to men, that’s a bit of a problem for you, isn’t it?
September 17th, 2006 at 7:14 pmYeah, yeah, Tom, whatever.
The trolls have left church, and have come to carry out their ungodly duties — since they’re off the hook for being good christians for another week.
September 17th, 2006 at 7:16 pm#25
I call bullshit on your Signing Statements, and offer up this frightening warning.
If the Repubs can get away with it now….when the Dems eventually take the government back (and it will happen eventually), then you’ll be screwed with the very thing you are so smug with now.
Be careful what you ask for. You may just get it.
September 17th, 2006 at 7:39 pmI oppose homosexuality, in general, because biblically it’s forbidden. It’s just not right.
Comment by Daryll — September 17, 2006 @ 6:20 pm
Many things in the bible are “forbidden” and are called “abominations.” Eating shellfish is one of them. Are you picketing Red Lobster restaurants every chance you get? What does your sign say? Wearing clothing made from two different types of thread is another abomination. Are you picketing clothing stores every chance you get? Are you such a by-the-book Christian that you are also trying to ban these things by amending the Constitution?
At least you admit that homosexuality is right if you don’t believe in an outdated, narrow-minded interpretation of the bible. This shows you are making progress. Think Progress!
September 17th, 2006 at 8:21 pmDaryll, frankly my dear we don’t give a damn about you’re thought’s on homosexualety or hetrosexuality….If these thing’s bother you so much then don’t do them…Around my neighborhood we don’t mind our neighbors business, unless they are breaking the law or causing a problem we leave every one alone…..Our moto is.” we don’t care what you do, just as long as you’re quiet about it.”……
How come no one ever mention’s Lott and his daughters when they are spouting all the biblical stuff, now there’s a trio to remember…Blessings all
September 17th, 2006 at 9:46 pmThis about sums it up, Sharon.
An it harm none, do what ye will.
September 17th, 2006 at 9:57 pm-Wiccan Rede
Yep! that’s me Zooey. Remember also I do believe in self defence and would never take a knife to a gun fight….LOL…Blessings
September 17th, 2006 at 10:20 pmhomos should shut up and go back to their sad sick little closet. There is no such thing as gay “marriage” only homofascists trying to push acceptance of sexual deviants.
September 17th, 2006 at 10:42 pmif the homo agenda keeps going there are going to be homos hanging off fences all over America. have a nice day.
#64 nullthis….you are silly. Go back into your sick little fascist closet.
September 17th, 2006 at 10:57 pm“To die, to sleep, sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there’s a rub, for in that sleep of death what dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause….
September 17th, 2006 at 11:22 pm“When i tried to tell the hostages a little about their captors, about their childhood and mental illensses, and thier not caring if they lived or died, and how prison was lie, he cvoered his eyes, and covered hs ears. He was being theatrical, rather than practical.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:34 pm“While there is a lower class I am in it . While there is a criminal element I am of it. While there is a soul in prison I am not free.”
September 17th, 2006 at 11:45 pmStem cell research…am I the only one who knows someone with Cancer? MS?
September 17th, 2006 at 11:56 pmThis is too frightening:
An in-your-face documentary out this weekend is raising eyebrows, raising hackles and raising questions about evangelizing to young people.
Speaking in tongues, weeping for salvation, praying for an end to abortion and worshipping a picture of President Bush – these are some of the activities at Pastor Becky Fischer’s Bible camp in North Dakota, “Kids on Fire,” subject of the provocative new documentary, “Jesus Camp.”
September 18th, 2006 at 12:16 am71….Isn’t the Christian Jihad cute?
September 18th, 2006 at 12:29 amClearly progs are losing the debate on many fronts, and now try to use (of all things) mockery to push their views. What you don’t understand, is when you mock my beliefs, you mock the beliefs of a LARGE MAJORITY of American voters, and thus alienate them from you and your views, so by all means, keep mocking.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:04 amLooks like the Dow may hit new highs based on polls that show Reps are going to hold both houses of Congress in this election.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:31 amWhat’s wrong with selling eggs for scientific research? How is that morally wrong or even ambiguous? They haven’t even divided yet! Men can sell sperm, why can’t women sell eggs? This is silly.
I am very pro-stem cell research, but I don’t like the idea that the only people who can “profit” from it are the big companies, not the individuals donating.
This silliness has got to stop. It’s NOT A BABY.
I am so tired of the anti-science fanatics.
September 18th, 2006 at 12:41 pmkeep pushing the homofascist agenda, keep pushing infanticide and all the other bullshit you lefties push. See what happens. America will rise up against you and defeat you. There will be no place for you to run and no place for you to hide.
September 18th, 2006 at 1:33 pmJason,
Repeating the lies over and over and over just makes you obnoxious… And they are still lies.
September 18th, 2006 at 3:53 pmGay Incest Gay Cumshots Gay Jock
I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view
April 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pm