Retired Colonel: ‘We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now. The Evidence Is Overwhelming.’
Retired Colonel: ‘We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now. The Evidence Is Overwhelming.’
Just now on CNN, Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner (Ret.) said, “We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming.”
Gardiner, who taught at the U.S. Army’s National War College, has previously suggested that U.S. forces were already on the ground in Iran. Today he added several additional new points:
1) The House Committee on Emerging Threats recently called on State and Defense Department officials to testify on whether U.S. forces were in Iran. The officials didn’t come to the hearing.
2) “We have learned from Time magazine today that some U.S. naval forces had been alerted for deployment. That is a major step.”
3) “The plan has gone to the White House. That’s not normal planning. When the plan goes to the White House, that means we’ve gone to a different state.”
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September 18th, 2006 at 6:52 pmDoes anyone expect that these guys will be accountable or responsible for anything they do?
The U.S. is going in. No doubt about it.
September 18th, 2006 at 6:54 pmNewt is going to be SO happy – World War III – wheeee! And Forbes on Fox is likely going to start talking about which stocks to buy so they can make money as thousands die.
September 18th, 2006 at 6:58 pmI really hope that somehow the citizens of this country will stop PNAC from starting another war before Bush leaves office.
Please?
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September 18th, 2006 at 6:58 pmJust in time for November.
September 18th, 2006 at 6:59 pmKing George will attack Iran and claim that the authorization for the use of military force approved after 9-11 to go into Afganistan covers this attack, there will be no congressional authorization. When we finally learn about the attack it will be too late to stop him.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:08 pmIf he’s right, isn’t this leaking classified operational information? Shouldn’t he be frog-marched?
September 18th, 2006 at 7:11 pmKeep an eye on this one, but also be aware that Gardiner has been singing this same tune for a few years now, see e.g.,
September 18th, 2006 at 7:12 pmWell you know what? The Pope just publicly said something we all know and now the Muslims want to wage jihad because of it. I think it’s time we settled this. I have always sympathized with Muslims because I don’t think Israel is a righteous state. I think Israel stole thier land and I think it pulverizes the mideast.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:20 pmHaving said that, the Muslims in the world WILL NEVER GET THE THINGS THEY WANT without moderate and lefty support. NEVER NEVER NEVER. And as long as they threaten to kill people for speaking they can freaking die for all I give a crap. I think the Pope is a joke, but I’ll defend his freedom to say whatever he wants. Screw Iran. Screw Muslims.
No, NO, NOO—It can’t be…they can’t still be setting up the scenery behind the curtain for another INVASION PLAY with Bush as Heroic Leader crushing the evildoer Iranian’s nuucular threat!
They can’t be that stupid, vicious and vacuous…CAN THEY?
No need to answer that one…if they really carry this through tho, there will be growing anger and opposition in this country and all over the world—I’m not sure where it will end.
God save us all.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:22 pm[...] From CNN, via Think Progress: Just now on CNN, Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner (Ret.) said, “We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming.†[...]
September 18th, 2006 at 7:27 pmAs previously stated, Bush needs to start a war with Iran. Iran will have to protect their people and territory. As soon as they kill the first American soldier, sailor, or marine Bush is going to yell Islamofascist murderers, protect the homeland, remember the Maine, kill the Muslims, or anything else he needs to to justify expanding Iraq into Iran. By then we will be forced into full war because you can’t change your mind after you use a tactical nuke on an Iranian city. And Bush thinks this surge of “patriotic death dealing” will sweep the republofascists into power in November. Murderer. Asshole.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:29 pmAnd so the PNAC plan advances another step…..
This will be stirring a hornet’s nest, more suicide attacks, as Iran has promised if attacked. Which will lead to suspending our rights even further when Bush declares martial law.
And Congress will sit on its hands and let it happen.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pmWe are toast. No one in power is trying to stop these maniacs.
So we are going into Iran…let’s not bother showing the public any evidence at all on this one….just do it and justify it later…who cares if we have to change our justifications over and over and over….
It worked in Iraq!
September 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pmThe nation faces a threat to its very survival, for which military action against Iran is not only necessary, but appropriate and proportionate: Democratic control of at least one House.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:34 pmTime/CNN is reporting that the Navy has been orederd to prep for blockade of Iran. I don’t know how they expcet to do this without enough ssoldiers and equipment. Unless they plan on nuking Iran and not occupying it afterwards.
link to CNN/Time
September 18th, 2006 at 7:36 pmIs this what Bush has planned to do BEFORE the Repugs lose control of Congress in November?
September 18th, 2006 at 7:38 pmWith Dems in control – he won’t be able to pull this off so easily.
When do the new guys take over – isn’t it January??
The Repugnants offer three things to the American people:
1. Fear
2. Tyranny
3. Insolvency
September 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmAnd the beauty is this frickin asshat is GOING TO START A WAR without a Congressional declaration because HE’S THE DECIDER.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmDon’t the people get to have any say about starting another war?
Even the people who like the idea of dropping nukes on Iran have to admit that there’s obviously no imminent threat, nothing that can’t wait at least , oh five years or so, so it’s not worth the risk to do anythink rash.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmShould I tell my nephews to be on the next plane to Canada? There is no way the US can fight this one without a draft.
Where will it end? I’m not sure, but I feel really scared right now.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:44 pmThis is what happens when a rogue Imperial President is not kept in checked in check by the other bracnes of government. Is it no wonder he runs amok?
September 18th, 2006 at 7:44 pmbe afraid, be very afraid. And, you WILL love big brother.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:44 pmSooooo…no frog-march for Gardiner?
September 18th, 2006 at 7:50 pmIf the Bush administration is stupid enough to start a war with Iran, and it seems to be, there will have to be a draft, and if there is, absolutely no exemptions! No more wars fought by minorities and the poor for the benefit of the rich!
September 18th, 2006 at 7:55 pmPopulation of Iraq 26 million
Population of Iran 70 million
Can you say big frickin mistake?
September 18th, 2006 at 7:57 pmThe only surprise here is that they didn’t start dropping bombs on Tehran earlier this year.
Now can we start the revolution?
All Bush backing keyboard jockeys, please report to your local recruiting office…your President’s next invasion beckons…..
September 18th, 2006 at 8:00 pmOT: Keith just said he’s going to have another “Special Comment” re GWB’s “it’s unacceptable” statment.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:01 pm#19, he’s going to do it without Congress’ approval, so it doesn’t matter.
Did anyone catch the follow up with Jamie McIntyre afterwards? He is in total denial. He sat there claiming that it’s not true with a copy of “Dereliction of Duty” on the shelf behind him.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:03 pmGuys and Gals….its time to get back to church…Bush is determined to bring about the END.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAmazing, Osama is hiding out in Pakistan with help from people within the Pakistan government. Osama is one coup away from having the bomb and Bush is after Iran.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:08 pmIf we are operating militarily in Iran, I pray, hope, and beg a high ranking CURRENT military person to stand up and reveal the details, even if risking his/her own career for our country. Then, I pray, hope, and beg Congress to do everything in their power to stop this, up to and including impeachment.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:08 pmThe husband of a friend of mine is an Army Ranger… and she told me he just got sent to Lebannon after being in Iran for a few weeks. I thought she may have mistaken it for IraQ — but she was quite sure. It could’ve been on the Afghan border or something, but still — it sent chills up my back.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:11 pmI’m fairly sure that this Administration isn’t stupid enough to commit to a ground war. They will quietly air strike whatever they want to pieces and then pretend they had justification in the morning. Then they will redeploy all troops inside Bagdad’s new moat and try to wait out the ensuing shit hitting the fan. That said:
YOU SONS OF BITCHES HAVE SOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OUT FOR THE LAST TIME.
I say if they bomb Iran, we take the streets. And I’m not talking about some panzy ass one day work walkout, I’m talking about NOBODY does NOTHIN until we get some answers and these people are removed from power. We the People are the worlds last best chance to be rid of these warmongering assholes.
I don’t think we should let our country down in it’s time of greatest need.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:14 pmDoes this mean that Rumsfeld has assembled a new “mother” of coalitions to help with his latest invasion?
September 18th, 2006 at 8:15 pmBig ugly war starts in October. Huge negative response from voters — but what will it matter. It will already be happening. And the Bush Boys don’t care what we think. That’s been maide pretty obvious. And if it gets too ugly here in the U.S. you can just forget about the 2008 elections. Get ready for Marshall Law and the end of Constitional law as we have known i.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:18 pmIts almost nuclear winter time, take care of a bunch of things. Iraq, Iran, and global warming. Lets do it.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:18 pmLet’s see. Iraq? Check! Iran? Check! Syria and North Korea? Stay tuned! The Axis of Evil should all be in-play by the end of W’s second term.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:21 pmThis is too close to resembling The Third Reich on the eve of Operation Barbarossa. How long before the UN decides WE are the rouge nation in need of regime change?
September 18th, 2006 at 8:21 pm[...] Check this out. [...]
September 18th, 2006 at 8:28 pmAnd if you don’t like 70 million Iranians and most if not all Arabs, throw in most Muslims who will see Iraq and Iran as an attack on all Muslims. Throw in China who will bank Iran for the oil rights.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:29 pmI sit here and ask myself what I can do about this insanity, and conclude that there is absolutely nothing I can do except to buy oil futures, and the devil take the hindmost.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:29 pmLet us also not forget that Iraq and Iran are now good buddies with oil deals and everything.
Is the friend of our friend our friend or is the friend of our friend our enemy?
September 18th, 2006 at 8:34 pmI agree, there are not enough troops to pull off a ground war with Iran. And I don’t think we’ll be able to count on much of a “Coalition of the Willing” anymore. So who’s going to fight this thing? It’s WAY past time for a revolution!! Takin it to the streets!!
September 18th, 2006 at 8:34 pmI can see it now: Ronald “Goebbels” Dumbsfeld and KKKarl “Himmler” Rove ascending the steps of the Lincoln monument in preparation to announce “TOTAL WAR” to the nation.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:34 pmIn another age or place there would be hundreds of thousands of people in the streets of Washington DC every day over the outrageous behavior of this administration.
I notice that Diebold is still providing the voting machines and the media is still providing cover for Cheney and Bush’s lies.
Elections, op-eds and blogs aren’t going to get the job done. It’s past time that people take to the street. Maybe we could schedule mass protests or a general strike on a night when American Idol isn’t on TV.
I am ashamed of the behavior of our government. Otherwise impotent, I will go ahead and vote as a Democrat in November with the understanding that if by some miracle the Dems are able to wrest a tiny bit of power away from the Bush Junta that I will hold the Dems to a standard much higher than previous governments. They are going to have to act right from day one. No Liebermans allowed.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:36 pmWe’re boned.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:38 pmLao-tzu said, if you want to stop something, first let it grow.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:42 pmIt seems to me that only moderate muslims will defeat radical Islam.
Sometimes I think the only thing that would stop this insane nonsense is a national work stoppage. No work, no purchasing: let everything economic come to a grinding halt. The President and Congress would be scrambling and screeching and begging, and then finally, they might stop and listen to us for a change.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:43 pmThought there might be some serious people here, guess I was wrong. 1. He’s a “Retired Air Force Col” no serious power to the throne, getting a paycheck to say stupid things. 2. Any attack on Iran will be overwhelming airpower… possibly nuclear. 3. No ground forces will be required, poison earth. 4. Calling people stupid names is childish.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:44 pmBarbell,
So far you’re the only batshit insane person on the thread…..keep making your points, it makes it so much easier for us to make ours.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:50 pmGeorge Bush is insane. F**k all the morons who voted for him.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:52 pmThe first fired shot will be by Georgie boy in order to say his ass. for war crimes. The second will be by Iran and take out the green zone in Iraq.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:54 pmlike i said like being in kindergarden, lots of whinny people with no argument.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:56 pmI don’t know about you but I’m loading up on Halliburton & oil stocks ASAP!! This is awesome!
September 18th, 2006 at 8:59 pmBarbell the equine philosopher say: “Naaaaayyyy, liberals are so whiiinnnnnnyyyy!
September 18th, 2006 at 9:03 pmJay
September 18th, 2006 at 9:08 pmthe lil ol voice in me says your the poor girl seated 3 rows from the back on the left side of my kindergarden class. learn to spell, learn how to make a point and have another beer, seem you know what that is.
No other country ( including the UK ) will stand with America for going into Iran and perhaps Russia and China will make things very difficult for the Idiot-In-Chief.
I predict another major colossal failure for the Bush/Cheney Neocon cabal and a Dem takeover of both the House and Senate in Nov.
Then impeachment proceeding can begin to be followed by a war crimes trial for these nutcases !
September 18th, 2006 at 9:23 pmLil voice in my head is asking….why would barbell promote drinking to kindergartners? What no moral values? Lil voice also asking why wingnut criticize adversary for spelling when he spells kindergarten and whiney wrong? You’re so craaaaaazyy……
September 18th, 2006 at 9:24 pmjay need some counceling…. obviously has a whomai problem. attack the obvious, but watch what;s sneaking up ur a$$
September 18th, 2006 at 9:27 pmJoking aside, km4, I agree, there will be a day of reckoning for these war criminals.
Ray McGovern, 27 year CIA professional has written extensively on the documented war crimes of the Bush admin., they will be brought to justice.
http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/
September 18th, 2006 at 9:32 pmhttp://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=7464
Are We Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now?…
Retired Colonel: ‘We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now. The Evidence Is Overwhelming.’ (Think Progress)
September 18th, 2006 at 9:35 pmIt also seems pretty clear BushCo decided that war with Iran was the only way out of the hole they’ve dug, …
Barbell, seriously dude, from one patriotic American with a passion for the written word to another, you need spellcheck. You wanted “counseling’ there…ok bud.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:36 pmI’m just tryin to figure out if I should be betting on the euro… like Cheney…
http://www.kiplinger.com/personalfinance/features/archives/2006/05/president.html
September 18th, 2006 at 9:38 pmseriously jay, im no dude, and looking for the patriotic. got a laptop with sticky keys and no spellcheck on this site. spellcheck really takes the bite off the primary subject doesnt it.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:40 pmI cannot believe that this government would be so stupid as to attack Iran. I cannot believe it, but my experience watching them for 6 years tells me otherwise.
But if true, why was Georgie having a meltdown last week? If he knows that he will distract from war crime accusations, why so pissed about not getting his way.
And I am in for any work stoppage if we bomb/invade Iran. IT is the only thing these monsters understand – a loss of $$.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:43 pmWe don’t need an army…our army has outsourced that job to plenty of mercenaries in the middle east (Blackwater anyone?) supported by our taxes for this & future wars to bring cash to the fat cats…and their corporations…Us in the streets? We are too comfortable with the remnants of comfort allow to us…and watching American Idols…
September 18th, 2006 at 9:47 pmWe are so screwed!
September 18th, 2006 at 9:52 pmI believe the following is more important than my typing:
1 . Al-Qaida in Iraq warned Pope Benedict XVI on Monday that its war against Christianity and the West will go on until Islam takes over the world, and Iran’s supreme leader called for more protests over the pontiff’s remarks on Islam.
2. Willie Nelson and some of the others on his bus have been cited for misdemeanor drug possession.
Now some “retired” Air Force Col speaking out of his a$$. What gives?
September 18th, 2006 at 9:58 pmGotta be a crack or a hoax. No one could be this stupid…….
O wait, except for one “Decider”.
On the more rational side: West Virginia Hill has it right. It is the same for all religeous extremists. It’s the moderates that need to bring the massesback from the zealots, back to reason, and away from the insane. This goes for Muslims and Christians and Jews. Need to promote economies and stability in all of these countries and reason will win out.
Look at the disaffected and how easily they are swayed. Germany’s Nazi’s are on the rebound in East Deutschland. Warum? Bad economy with no future = disaffected youths eager to be molded to blame others.
Look, I don’t know how many times I’ve seen fear of being under attack being played by all sides lately: WS says Jews under attack, Nazis say German economy under attack, Christian right wing says – Christmas, 10 commandments, marriage under attack, Muslims say way of life, holy land under attack. The masses everywhere seem to be easily led.
It is up to the moderates to rein them in from the inside. Attacks from the outside only seem to justify their purpose and excuse. We all need bring back the masses to the humanity and compassion of religion, not the fear of others.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:59 pmIt’s a hoax I tell ya!
September 18th, 2006 at 10:02 pm— WELL, LETS SEE — DIEBOLD AND THE SUPREME COURT WITH HARRIS’ ABLE HELP — BUSH IS PREZNUT. 2000 AGAIN, DIEBOLD BUSH IS PREZNUT 2004 — AND NOW, MID TERMS WHERE HE KNOWS HIS ASS WILL GO TO THE SLAMMER — UNLESS HIS AG AND THE SUPREMEROOS [ NO HARRIS THIS TIME ] INTERPERT THE LAWS AGAINST IMPEACHMENT AND TRIALS. THE CONSTITUTION IS ‘ JUST A GODDADMN PEICE OF PAPER.’ recall others quoting Bushit? — DIEBOLD AND A REPUBLICAN WIN. TEMPERED SOME SO’S NOT TO RAISE THE MASSESS’ RED ASSES — I SEE NO IMPEACHMENT, OR TRIPS TO THE HAUGUE IN ANY POLITICANS’ BRIGHT FUTURE. EVEN IF THE DITHERING DEMOCRATS WIN BY ONE VOTE — THERES NOT ANY BALLS IN THE BUNCH OF THEM… CANADA WILL PASS A NON IMMIGRATION LAW — MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN OURS ON MEXICANS CROSSING OVER — BETTER GET YOUR PAPERWORK DONE AND HAVE IT PENDING –
September 18th, 2006 at 10:03 pmWhat is happening….No post?
September 18th, 2006 at 10:03 pmThe folks that have been referring to the Bush “junta” and their 2000 coup d’etat have had it right all along, becomes clearer by the day. I know that the Iranian president is dangerous, but only for his misguided and overblown rhetoric…he hasn’t killed any innocent civilians yet (unless he’s killing his own people which of course is likely) and we can’t say the same about Bush. He’s responsible for the deaths of 10’s of thousands of innocents. These are just the facts. Let’s face it fellow Americans, seems Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro are the only men on earth willing to stand up to the Cheney/Bush crime family, they have lots of oil and natural gas (and cigars!) in their respective countries….life is filled with strange and disconcerting ironies.
September 18th, 2006 at 10:05 pmjays pipe dream, how many cuban’s u talked to lately?
September 18th, 2006 at 10:13 pmDelbert, I think you’re right about Democrats that currently hold office, there’s too much money to be made for both parties when war is perpetual and they ALL have their lobbyist-soaked hands deep inside the cookie jar. However, there are going to be changes for Republicans AND Democrats as the grassroots build coalitions and uncorrupted challengers for House seats start to make inroads and win elections. The stomach-churning caveat is Who Count’s the Votes?
September 18th, 2006 at 10:13 pmWhat do you guys think about the articles at this site?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/
September 18th, 2006 at 10:16 pmStart now,before the DRAFT….”HELL NO,WE WON’T GO”…..again and again.
September 18th, 2006 at 10:20 pmWell if you all want to do something,the total shut down is the answer, but get busy and do it right..Organize with the trucking and shipping bunch, get all the Cindy bunch and all the group’s you can think of together with one plan in mind before the rat basterd drop’s the first bomb not after…On Oct 5th there is the other march, join up with that….Call all the unions, teachers and any that have been affected by bunch and make it work..Starting it here is a good idea but tomorrow do more than sit in front of you’re computer and write comment’s…Get on the phone assemble and plan……Blessings
September 18th, 2006 at 10:24 pmwolfy is an idiot who carries water for the neocons. he longs for war to support his first allegiance. send him back to alma mater jerusalem post.
September 18th, 2006 at 10:24 pmWhich part of
September 18th, 2006 at 10:31 pm* – No warrants are needed
* – No trial is will be held
* – You will have no access to a lawyer
* – Your vote won’t be counted at the next electionshould scare us the most?
Besides the part about disappearing, possibly forever, into whatever spot George Bush decides is appropriate for people who oppose him?
OK I agree that if this country were really filled with patriots, we would flood the streets, and not just to chant or hold signs. But this country is soft, flabby, and weak and wouldn’t see tyranny coming if it bit them in the ass. No amount of righteous blogging is going to change anything.
This country needs to be brought down a peg or two. Let’s roll against a few more countries and see how well an isolated Amerika does in a world economy, when it is totally dependant on foreign oil and cheap 3rd world labor. Let’s continue to erode the manufacturing sector and concentrate all wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer elite good-ol’-boys. Let’s see how well those “support the troops” bumper stickers protect us from $5/gallon gas. Let’s keep humping the flag and imagining we are so superior that our empire will never fade. That our god is better than their god.
Meanwhile I’ll invest in canned goods and shotgun shells. Nothing we say here matters people. Cover your ass.
September 18th, 2006 at 10:41 pmbababoo-eee
September 18th, 2006 at 10:47 pmI love you Marshal
September 18th, 2006 at 10:49 pmJust a test kiddies to see how Joe Sixpack is going to respond.
That’s all!
September 18th, 2006 at 10:50 pm[...] Otherwise, I’m not sure how we’d continue these alleged operations going on in Iran. [...]
September 18th, 2006 at 10:52 pmIt’s not that I think Dumbya and his gang aren’t dumbya enough to try
this, but Gardiner has been saying we’ve had soldiers in Iran since at least last April, here:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/143241
So, gosh, you would think the Iranians would be looking fairly hard and have had at least a few run ins by now. Any credible reports?
September 18th, 2006 at 10:56 pmYou guys are worrying a little too much. War cannot happen for many realistic reasons:
- No troops left (as many have said)
September 18th, 2006 at 10:57 pm- A ton of oil leaves the Middle East through a pipeline that runs through Iran. Any military action will stop that flow of oil, and send prices through the roof.
- Recently, unfavorable opinion against the Republicans has lessened due to the falling prices of oil. Do you think the administration would do something to risk that , esp before elections?
- A war with Iran would probably result in our own country falling into all kinds of public protests and turmoil, I can’t see how it could happen with the opinion of the war in Iraq at such lows.
If George Bush orders nuclear bombs to be dropped on Iran, would the military do it?
September 18th, 2006 at 10:59 pmWhy not invade Iran? They have smuggled some 7 Nukes here into the States, and the Canada Free Press has issued a Warning to all Muslims to LEAVE AMERICA before Ramadan. As that is when Al Qaeda is planning to detonate these 7 NUKES, in a Town Near YOU!!!
Have a Nice Day =)
September 18th, 2006 at 11:03 pmWhat, another Hoax.
Shutup!
September 18th, 2006 at 11:20 pm[...] VIDEO…Fmr. Colonel: “We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now  [...]
September 18th, 2006 at 11:21 pmFear mongering Sonny-of -B*tch.
September 18th, 2006 at 11:22 pmJust be thankful that this boob wasn’t president when the old Soviet Union was still around. Can you mutually assured destruction?!
September 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pmThis “October Surprise” is not really much of a surprise, since war on Iran has been expected, and Bush knows warfare causes Americans to become goofy voting stupidly for insane Republicans! Pray we survive!
September 19th, 2006 at 12:01 amThere is a bill in the House right now intending to reinstate the draft! The death-dealing sponsors of this bill should hear from us immediately! Read the bill first, then contact the sponsors to tell them NOT TO DRAFT OUR CHILDREN!
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:2:./temp/~c109ItDoQ7::
September 19th, 2006 at 12:12 amThe treasonous George Bush gang has apparently decided that their previous tactic, lying to convince the servile Congress and gullible American public to go to war, won’t work any more. Congress probably won’t vote for a Bush war again. And on January 3rd the Democratic House and the 4 new Democratic senators will make it impossible to get funding for a big war ( although bombings of some sort might not be blocked by the wimpy Congress.)
So, as we speak, the Bushies are calculating whether to trump up an “immediate threat” that will enable Bush to quickly go to war under a pretext of urgent necessity. Betting that said servile Congress will be hesitant to say anything that can instantly be used in campaign ads accusing them of “favoring the enemy.” The election is 49 days away – the Democrats are ahead, so they will reason that the best thing to do is lie back and not say anything too critical of Bush. Of course, this pacifistic “don’t attack Bush” strategy didn’t quite succeed for Kerry in 2004, because, either due to election shenanigans in Ohio by Ken Blackwell and Karl Rove or legitimate Republican get-out-the-vote efforts in Ohio, Kerry didn’t quite get there vote-wise.
The main factor Bush and his gang will utilize in making the decision will be WILL IT HELP US OR HURT US IN THE ELECTION? If they think that it will rally Republicans, the Christian right and others, who are disturbed by Bush’s lying, his incompetence, his stupidity, and his importation of massive numbers of illegal aliens, but who will vote Republican if they think an imminent threat from the Great Satan Iran has been beaten back by the Great Bushhead, then they will attack Iran. If they think that moderate Republicans, independents and Democrats who normally don’t vote will finally be roused from their torpor and collectively say, “enough lies! enough false pretext wars!”, and outnumber the Christian radicals at the polls, then they will not attack Iran. Its as simple as that – and as sick as that.
As in 2003, Bush will attack another sovereign nation that poses no threat to us, based mainly on the prospect of winning the next election. Will we let him do it again?
September 19th, 2006 at 12:21 amRegardless if this is just a scare, I, as well as you, should call your Congressional Reps/Sens and tell them that even this hint at going to war with Iran, will deeply affect how you vote in November. I know, I know, it sounds trivial, but a mass call to the House and Senate, will sure to have an impact. Regardless, it would be interesting enough if people would post the response they received. Can we really afford to go to war, even if this is just speculation? Sorry to buckle to the usual “aggressiveness” that this blog promotes, but I am very scared that we could strike on Iran, and really put our country, and thousands of more lives in peril.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:23 amWhat these neocon assholes fail to realize, among everything else, is that most kids today are bloggers in one form, fashion or another. They learn what is going on and don’t want anything to do with the military. Most people understand that if we were actually, verifiably attacked by another sovereign nation, most anyone would try to join up or help in any manner.
But with this sick, sadistic, convoluted PNAC agenda for the world at our expense, you couldn’t entice me with $10,000,000. As for my son, I’ll kill anyone that tries to take him for this demented ideal.
We should be building and creating and reveling in each other’s cultures. Not using them to foster hate, death and destruction.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:27 amRemember, the only thing we have to fear as citizens of the United States and the world…is the Bush administration itself.
BushCo has big plans for 2007.
First, one our their houseboys in the House of Representatives snuck a provision into a bill that gives the White House complete control over all of our nation’s military forces, including national guard units, which (after this law is passed) will no longer be under the control of our state’s governors. Hey, BushCo is just trying to streamline the command hierarchy by cutting out the middlemen and middlewomen, you know, our state’s governors.
Second, Bush awarded a $385 million contract to Halliburton to build “detention centers,” i.e. prisons, around our freedom-loving country. Of course, Halliburton will also hire those who will run the prisons, so BushCo will have their own personal gulags ready for occupancy sometime in 2007.
Third, the Air Force Secretary, Wynne, rolled out the idea of using ?non-lethal? high-tech weapons like high intensity microwave beams on any unruly crowds in the United States, before exporting this technology overseas to use on foreigners. Hmmmm. Holy crowd control, Batman. Also, it helps to loosen the Geneva Conventions’ “torture” definitions…to allow for torture.
Fourth, BushCo is determined to launch airstrikes against suspected nuclear sites in Iran, either by the end of 2006 or sometime in 2007. Times awastin’. Hurry. Hurry. Hurry.
So, what does all this have to do with BushCo plans for 2007?
Once BushCo starts another conflict by attacking Iran, concerned U.S. citizens might get a little restless, hell, they may even riot, calling for the heads of the people in BushCo responsible for leading us (the United States) into another neo-con Republican disaster.
Aaaah, that’s when BushCo control of all of our nation’s military, the building of $385 million worth of prisons and new crowd control weapons will come in handy.
I just wonder when 2008 rolls around whether or not our beloved country will still be a democracy or will instead be a right-wing, banana republic dictatorship under BushCo’s imperial presidential control.
Remember, the only thing we have to fear as citizens of the United States and of the world…is the Bush administration is itself.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:36 amGetting in always so very easy. Sticking around the real trick without
September 19th, 2006 at 12:39 amripple effects heading off in bad,unforseen or underestimatied ways.
See Iraq for more on how attacking part was easy but sticking around
for the real gaming now seen as multi -no near exits. JUMP AROUND.
King George will attack Iran and claim that the authorization for the use of military force approved after 9-11 to go into Afganistan covers this attack, there will be no congressional authorization. When we finally learn about the attack it will be too late to stop him.
And though the fact of this hurts, ie, to know how he is stomping on American Democracy and grinding his heal into it, save your numbness for the grunts in the military that are in harms way. Iran is no Iraq. It isn’t on the verge of internal social chaos.
The day Bush moves against Iran to a degree that Iran feels it will not be condemned for protecting itself, means there will be retaliation.
The tragedy of the resulting deaths of US soldiers…..
September 19th, 2006 at 12:43 amTo our country’s everlasting shame this vile cabal was re-elected in 2004.
We have one chance left to take back the congress and prosecute these monsters before they leave office. We must do that; we can’t just let them slither away without repudiating everything they’ve done, or it will be the end of this nation’s greatness.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:55 amDoes this mean the NFL season will be cancelled?
September 19th, 2006 at 1:00 amIf the idiot Bush attacks Iran he will do it alone. Watch the UN and all the other countries put a halt to Bush’s action. As for approval to attack Bush doesn’t need it he has already destroyed the constitution. Look for the honest Republicans and the Dems to call for the fast impeachment of Bush and removal of Cheney and Rummy. A baseless attack with innocent lives lost will put this country in the leadership of the real axis of evil and other countries will step up to protect Iran.
September 19th, 2006 at 1:13 am[...] Think Progress » Retired Colonel: ‘We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now. The Evidence Is Overwhelming.’ (tags: iran war worstpresidentever) [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 1:26 amOctober Surpirise?
I set up this prediction market to examine the likelyhood of an October surprise (i.e. attack Iran).
Stop by and put your two cents in.
September 19th, 2006 at 2:09 amOctober Surpirise?
I set up this prediction market to examine the likelyhood of an October surprise (i.e. attack Iran).
Stop by and put your two cents in.
September 19th, 2006 at 2:11 am[...] I’m wondering what the guys reading think of this? Do you think she’s dressed inappropriately, or posing in an obvious or ridiculous way? Does she look like Monica Lewinsky? And at a time when we are fighting and losing two wars–and spoiling for a third–could anything matter less? [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 2:16 amkeep fuking up the world bunch of loosers!
September 19th, 2006 at 2:22 amThere will be an attack on Iran right after another staged terrorist attack. Think USS Maine, think Gulf of Tonkin, think Reichstag (again). Be it in the US or in the Middle East, there will be another staged attack and it will start the war.
All the infrastructure is in place for the Bush admin to enforce martial law, postpone or cancel elections, jail all Muslims dems and protestors, and reactivate the draft. Want proof? Patriot act, (google video) FEMA camps, NSA phone database to keep track of who you are, where you are and what you are saying, the military wanting to use new weapons on American civilians to put down protests, and on and on.
September 19th, 2006 at 2:51 amWell, I think that what most of the people has not yet understood is that Bush is not interested in winning a war, not even marginally. All that he wants is providing some fresh terror to his electors, and some new business opportunity for his friends (a war transfer money from the country, read tax-payers, in the hands of the few rich people lending money to the state and owning war-related industry). A war against Iran will not be another Iraq-like failure. It will be a catastrophe. Iran has much more forces than Iraq, and *has* nuclear missiles. For real, now, not the maybe-WMD or in-five-year-nukes-if-they-are-lucky. They can kill American people, not only the soldiers. So do something *NOW*. Please, do act! Tell your friends, organize public demonstrations, attach a sign out of your house. Don’t wait, it’s your life and the life of your dears that are at a stake now.
September 19th, 2006 at 4:05 amRead the PNAC site. This is what Bush and his crooks want. They want us to be attacked. They are trying to destroy America ON PURPOSE. We are screwed and there is nothing we can do. It’s already in the works. We will fight each other next.
Make no mistake. WWlll started a while ago…………..
September 19th, 2006 at 4:08 amThe plan is exactly what i thought – Its to get Iran worried and stop the uranium enrichment .. Its bullshit
If America forces were inside Iran they would be captured very easily – By Having Black ops in Iran is also an act of war ???????
Put Bush back on a lead ??? and muzzle him
September 19th, 2006 at 4:36 am[...] THINKPROGRESS and TIME magazine suggest that President Bush is lining up for war with Iran, or that it has already started. I don’t understand his authority for such an action. The war powers belong to the Congress. No rational stretch of the imagination would say he has Congressional approval for such an action. There is little question, however, that this is a mandate for taking back Congress from the Republicans in the midterm elections. Without a voting majority in the Congress, these megalomaniacs cannot be checked. [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 4:46 amBoth Bush and Ahmadinejad are at the UN today
“In August, Ahmadinejad challenged Bush to participate in a “direct television debate with us,” so Iran can voice its point of view on how to end problems in the world. The White House called the offer a “diversion” from international concerns over Iran’s nuclear program, Reuters reported.”
Proof Bush is trying to stay clear from a debate in which he would lose
“I’m sure both will have minders working hard to keep them apart,” said U.N. Deputy Secretary-General Mark Malloch Brown. “So probably, the great clash of the titans, the rumble of the jungle — whatever you want to call it — is not going to happen.”
Bush Quote ” War is my last choice” er second last that is direct talks is my last choice
America needs at stronger leader one who can debate matters , not one that sneeks around the UN hoping not to bump into any debate
September 19th, 2006 at 4:47 amScott Ritter predicted this exact event happening years ago. He was right about Iraq and he is right about this too. Events are already in motion. BushCo denied that any plans had been made regarding Iraq, when they were already dropping bombs on them, trying to provoke Saddam into retaliating, so they could point at him and say “See? Now we have to attack him.” But he didn’t, so they came up with WMD’s instead. Just know that everything they are saying about Iran is crap too. But we are already there.
September 19th, 2006 at 4:48 amGaza: The children killed in a war the world doesn’t want to know about
Jihad Abu Snaima is just the most recent of more than 37 children under 18 who have been killed in the operations mounted by the Israeli military in Gaza since 25 June, according to new figures.
Thats right America keep supporting atrocites and say its OK – you are just as guilty
September 19th, 2006 at 4:53 amoooh! how exciting!
another war to raise the price of gas!
enjoy it while you can all y’all
soon all you’ll be able to afford is a personal sustainable relationship with the mother
Allness be praised!
time to drill water wells
vote! Green Party!
September 19th, 2006 at 5:09 amthen count the Diebolds,
before you check your powder
Scott Ritter among others have pointed out this since 2005. Like Iraq this is all false, they knew there is no evidence and that’s why the office of special plans are putting together bogus intelligence for another imperialist war for the PNAC crowd.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:19 amPeople should know that 9/11 merely gave the pre-text to attack all these middle-east countries, the agenda was already there. Read “rebuilding america’s decences”, the neocon mein kampf!
What are you people waiting for: impeach this guy. Try Rumsfeld and Cheney and Rove for war crimes. Get rid of these people before they bankrupt the whole country (your country the USA) while they fill their pockets with war mongering MEGA BUCKS.
This is shameful. A complete disgrace and you are just sitting on your backsides and letting this happen.
Get the judiciary, the policy, whoever you can ONTO these people.
If necessary turn them over to the International War Crimes Tribunal. You don’t need this !!
September 19th, 2006 at 5:22 amThis sort of information has been leaking out for the past several months. Remember the Sy Hersh piece in the New Yorker? Personally I’m of the opinion that it’s all intentionally being leaked as a bluff in order to intimidate Iran.
I guess that only time will tell.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:56 amI would like to know who in the hell is going to fight the ground war in Iran. It’s not going to be the Army or the Marines who have 50% of their assets tied up in Iraq at any given time and the other 50% prepping to go back. Are they going to take all the sailors off their boats give them rifles and turn them into infantry companies? Sure would be an interesting experiment. Where are they going to get the fire support from field artillery? Most of the the Army and Marines artillerymen have been changed to MP and Infantry companies and are completely out of practice for safely firing rounds. There are no ground forces to fight it so this cant be a conventional war. Look at the troop rotations for Iraq. It’s not rocket science all you had to do is simple math, and the troops just aren’t there to fight another useless war and get bogged down in yet another BOG heavy, civil-military conflict. Unless they plan on doubling the size of the military within the next year, and that would be just enough personnel to keep constantly deployed in Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. This is after the General in Anbar, where I am currently located, says he needs another division, and Afghanistan needs another brigade.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:26 amTomPaine at #129:
It won’t be fought on the ground during the first two weeks and that’s all that matters to this White House. They are interested only in stirring up their most ardent supporters enough to go out to vote. This is essentially the most expensive, twisted GOTV campaign in the history of the planet. They’ll be whipping their acolytes into a frenzy and likely even launching air strikes against Iranian targets, but not too soon before the election. It must be timed just right so that the repercussions from their rash and irresponsible policy can be hidden from the electorate. Figure that the attacks occur ideally about five days before the election, maybe up to two weeks, tops. The last new moon occurs on October 22nd, so stealth night attacks might be possible up until October 26th, twelve days before the election. Retaining control of the Congress is all that matters now to this crowd and means are immaterial.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:52 amTERROR OPS UNDERWAY IN IRAN
September 19th, 2006 at 6:59 amI believe this gentlemen far more than any elected American. Funny how that works. Yes Bush is fighting Iran. Bush is fighting Americans. All Bush does is fight fight fight.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:59 amI am not surprised at all. The October surprise will be the cancelation of Nov. elections under a national security threat.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:19 amIMPRISON THE #1 TERRORIST ON PLANET EARTH- G W BUSH
September 19th, 2006 at 8:28 amOOhhhh the war will raise gas prices, ohhh the war is for oil to lower prices, oh oh oh do you always take both sides so you can claim you are right? Kerry tried this and look what is go him.
You whack-jobs claim “October Surprise†every year. But it never happens. Do you ever look back at your own words? Can you say delusional conspiracy nuts?
Go to Canada, go to France just go.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:42 amIMPEACH BUSH!!!!!!!!
September 19th, 2006 at 9:04 amGardiner is retired Air Force and he learned it “from Time magazine? What’s not weird about that?
September 19th, 2006 at 9:12 amIn my humble opinion (being a European citizen), democracy in the USA has been stepped upon for years. There’s a minority in your country that realizes this, but a lot of corrupt -and dangerous!- politicians don’t care about you, now do they? If you want to take action, it’d better be some kind of preemptive revolution.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:25 amI don’t see this happening soon enough though, and by the time you will really try to change the situation, things will have already turned out for the worst. Thousands of innocents death, thousands of “free thinkers” incarcerated.
Where is this going? I fear looking into the crystal ball, because all I see is darkness…
Iran was the target hub all along. And it will be Israel that attacks first and retreats behind the layered deployment of the US in Iraq. At least that was the plan when Israel helped the US perpetrate 9/11.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:30 amMatt O. —–
Just in time for November? That seems to mean that the public is behind this operation, or at least would rally behind it? Can this possibly be true? Is there anything legal about this?
September 19th, 2006 at 9:30 amUsually when some idiot announces stuff like this on Fox or CNN it means nothing is going to happen. It’s just posturing and saber rattling.
Attacking Iran would be a fatal mistake for the US. The US middle class is struggling to pay the bills right now. Throw another war into the mix and things could get really ugly. Who is going to buy all the houses on the market if everyone is in Iran getting their asses shot off? Dead guys don’t buy houses, widows with three kids live in poverty in their parents’ homes or in run down apartments.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:32 am[...] Aye, have we already begun a secret war against Iran? A retired general who spoke out last eve certainly seems t’ think so…and the proo’ he has makes you wonder if this is how Bush is goin’ t’ repeat Iraq all o’er again: by startin’ another war without the permission o’ Congress. A pence for an old man o’de sea? [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 9:41 amDoes the Bush administration have the legal right to attack Iran? In other words did Congress give him the authority to do so?
September 19th, 2006 at 10:04 amWolf was acting all surprised and defensive. If he was truly a “journalist” he would know these things.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:06 am[...] I am outraged by this. [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 10:10 amI would like to e-mail this page to my friends. How can I do that. I do not see a link to do this.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:37 amThe October surprise is the gift to Bush from Israel, of an Israeli attack on Iran. The Israelis know that whatever little credibility Bush has now, Bush the most sycophantic presidential supporter of Israel ever, will lose even more credibility when the true gravity of the law breaking antics of this administration is revealed through committee hearings. Israel’s support by Americans diminishes lock step with Bush’s poll numbers.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:39 amThe October surprise is the gift to Bush from Israel, of an Israeli attack on Iran. The Israelis know that whatever little credibility Bush has now, Bush the most sycophantic presidential supporter of Israel ever, will lose even more credibility when the true gravity of the law breaking antics of this administration is revealed through committee hearings. Israel’s support by Americans diminishes lock step with Bush’s poll numbers
September 19th, 2006 at 10:41 amThe October surprise is the gift to Bush from Israel, of an Israeli attack on Iran. The Israelis know that whatever little credibility Bush has now, Bush the most sycophantic presidential supporter of Israel ever, will lose even more credibility when the true gravity of the law breaking antics of this administration is revealed through committee hearings. Israel’s support by Americans diminishes lock step with Bush’s poll numbers
September 19th, 2006 at 10:41 am
Frank, Frank, Frank… Echo, Echo, Echo….
September 19th, 2006 at 10:46 amWe are going to hit Iraq.
There is no doubt about it, and I don’t think there is anyway of stopping him.
Bush, actually, believes the whole messianic spin thing about himself. He has convinced himself, with a little help from his friennds, that if he doesn’t invade Iran, it won’t ever get done because no one else is strong enough to get this thing done,, and he is convinced that Iran is a danger to Irsael and that Ahmenijhad (or whatever), is going to have a nuke, so it’s now or never. (Actually, most respected sources are saying 10 years for an Iranian nuke)
Who knows, maybe he thinks he is the Archangel Michael, come to rid the world of evildoers before J.C. gets here.
This just makes my head explode.
Wasn’t there something awhile back going on in Congress? Someone was saying that Bush had to come back to Congress before he makes a military move against Iran.
Maybe this is just more Rovian political games; the Bushites plan on leaving this country and the world in such a huge goddamned mess, that no Democrat will want it in 2008.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:50 amRE:147, 148, & 149;
September 19th, 2006 at 10:53 amWhat reason would America(ns) have to not support Israel?
The thing about Iran is, we need to pave the way by getting people thinking about nuclear war in a more positive manner . Get them worked up about the Iranian “threat.” And on the other hand — just in case we need to use those nuclear bunker busters — make the idea of using nukes a little more thinkable. We need a little infotainment…
How about a “high-concept” TV soap featuring a plucky red state small town with a biblical name surviving nuclear catastrophe while those sinners in the big cities apparently burn in hellfire and disappear? Yeah, new CBS show “Jericho” just might do it.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:55 amWho do you want to win in a WAR? We need to finish WWIII before it starts – else they will beat us.
These people will not rest until their radical islam dominates.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:58 amYou know, I told several friends that he was going to go after Iran next, well now this and i am thinking and it does frighten me. Its pretty much a sure bet he is going after Iran, and then what Libya? I mean there are so many places over there. I agree something needs to be done to get him under control, but if not, my biggest fear is that he has pushed soo many people away from us with his “my way or no way” attitude and stance on things, that if things deteriorate which I think they will rather quickly, we are going to be in serious need of allies, and very short on friends because nearly everyone else will see this as a way to knock the US down a couple of pegs, because they feel that under shrub we have gotten ” way too big for our britches”… know what I mean, and seriously… aside from Britain, or England, and then I dont even think that is a lock anymore, what with them all PO’ed at Blair. Who would stand with us????
September 19th, 2006 at 11:02 amGeography lesson 101… Of course we will attack Iran, get out your globes, your maps, or even GoogleEarth, and you will see that Iran is directly between Iraq and Afganistan. That’s why Iran was mentioned in the whole “axis of evil” speech. How else would “good guy” Bush deal with “evil guy” Ahmadeenijhad (sp)… He has to surround him… DUH!
September 19th, 2006 at 11:03 amKeith your friends must be impressed by your predictions. I mean WOW!!!
September 19th, 2006 at 11:08 amBrian… funny you should mention radical Islam… Did you see on the news lately how Muslims are outraged and rioting over something the Pope said about them dating back to like the 14th century? Where was that outrage and rioting when 2 planes hijacked by muslims were crashed into the twin towers, and a 3rd into the Pentagon, and a 4th into the ground in Pennsylvania in the name of Allah and Islam? Have we even gotten an apology yet?
September 19th, 2006 at 11:10 amI am seeing a lot of fictional comments here, you people all need to get a grip……
September 19th, 2006 at 11:16 am[...] to Retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner. | Permanent LinkCategories:FrontPage [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 11:19 amI think the reason they will use to justify an attack on Iran, will be the “nuking” of us cities by “Al Qaeda”
Check out this link:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2006/09/18.html#recap
September 19th, 2006 at 11:33 amWe are in a mess. Diplomacy is very important. The U.N. security counsel has agreed that it is important that Iran stop with their nuclear program. They didn’t agree that it was Iran’s right to possess nuclear weapons. Iran has no plans to stop. Now, France is unwilling to sanction. The Bush administration is being potrayed unreasonable because it wants santions in the event of Iranian non-compliance. So, what is it? Does the security counsel believe it is a problem that Iran is pursuing nukes or not. If you make a resolution, but don’t require compliance, does it make any sense to have a resolution. Does anybody out there have a definition for the word resolution.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:45 amAn army spokesman says there is overwhelming evidence that Iran is training and supporting insurgents in Iraq, but is unable to cite evidence.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:57 amA retired air force colonel says there is overwhelming evidence that the US is conducting military operations in Iran, but cites no evidence.
Personally, I am under-whelmed by all this non-existent “overwhelming evidence.” Is there no such thing as truth any more? And why does TP publish unsubstantiated statements? We are wallowing in lies–why raise the level?
this has to happen, this is the crusades all over again. are we to let islam take over everything. they are getting a foothold in south america. look at the french, they are too scared to do anything. if islam is a peaceful religion why are they the first to burn and blow up churches, they have come out and have said to hunt down and kill the pope, when do christians come out in masses and do that? maybe we should! we have been pushed long enough.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:58 am[...] Details… Filed under Journal, (Possible) War in Iran by Andy Permalink • Print • Email • Comment [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 12:09 pmI think most of the contributors on this topic would be among those that have accused Bush of not acting to stop 9/11 – that would support the 9/11 commission conclusions of not ‘connecting the dots’, not having enough ground intel, etc.
So – here we sit 5 years later with rumors of intelligence efforts in Iran and the Progressives are criticizing him for just wanting to stoke the coals.
So which is it – Is he doing too much or too little?
Oh – and for the diplomacy thing….please see
UN | Diplomacy | Iraq | Yrs 1991 – 2003 to see how effective the ‘global’ community can be.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:35 pm[...] According to one pundit, we are already executing military operations in Iran. ThinkProgress.com has the story. [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 12:41 pmHmmmm.
A three front war?
Sounds like a Napoleon complex.
Perhaps one of the 60+ books King George read this summer should have been on the blunders Napoleon and Hitler made?
Nah, Dr. Seuss didn’t write books on that.
http://dontbealemming.com/2006/08/11/i-propose-an-amendment-to-the-constitution.aspx
Posted by the Lemming Herder at Don’t Be A Lemming!
September 19th, 2006 at 12:41 pmbush/cheney’s last stand-he knows it is now or never after nov elections-STOP THE MADNESS
September 19th, 2006 at 12:45 pmRE:161 Rudie,
September 19th, 2006 at 12:48 pmVery nice!!! The psychic friends are predicting another 9/11 in NY or Chicago… Get Out Americans While You Still Can!!! They’re a little late, the Dem’s have been predicting it since Sept. 12th, 2001…
Here’s a few more predictions for you
1. someone will break Barry Bonds homerun record
2. Another hurricane, more devastating than Katrina, will rock the United States
3. Human beings will go to Mars
4. Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes will get divorced
5. another Democrat will someday be President (maybe even of the United States)…
Isn’t a war with Iran
September 19th, 2006 at 1:55 pmgoing to be the Republicans’
“October Surprise!”??
Hey, a Democrat back in office is scary enough. But don’t you know better than to pick on a Scientologist! That’s as explosive as posting a cartoon of Mohammad.
September 19th, 2006 at 2:01 pmWhen are you going to wake up ? Your country as you know it has GONE.
You may not be able to turn this around.
Ignorance, controlled news, censored entertainment, rewitten history, rigged elections and the perceived threat of constant war are an exact re-run of Orwell’s classic and it’s happening right in the good old US of A.
September 19th, 2006 at 2:02 pmCan you say marital law, boys and girls?
September 19th, 2006 at 2:32 pmMarital Law good spelling
September 19th, 2006 at 2:48 pm[...] Watch it here [...]
September 19th, 2006 at 2:50 pmDan, I’m not a Republic SERIAL villain. Do you seriously think I’d explain my MASTER-STROKE if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its OUTCOME?
I did it thirty-five minutes ago.
September 19th, 2006 at 3:29 pm30 million Iranian males going Jihad times 72 virgins per martyr equal a lot of virgins.
Memo from Allah:
September 19th, 2006 at 4:35 pmSorry Mohammad, I meant to say one 72 year old virgin per martyr. Please disregard previous memo.
Yeah, I’m sure Iran will wait…
September 19th, 2006 at 4:36 pmI am reading the book “FIASCO” about the war in Iraq. The very same players for the war in Iraq are now focusing on doing the exact same thing about the war in IRAN. These wars are being pushed by think tank flunkies with no actual military experience. Pay close attention to how we are being lied to about the goodness of this new fight-it sounds eerily familiar doesn’t it? Pay closer attention to how AMERICAN troops will be positioned in Iran to prevent missiles from landing in ISRAEL. Both wars have a curious interest in the well being of ISRAEL over the welfare of our own AMERICAN troops. It’s part II of the PNAC manifesto. GOD help us.
September 19th, 2006 at 4:42 pmLet’s see, what would Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Rangle and the other lefties do if they get in power?
Whoooo Scarrryyy.. – Count Floyd
These blogs should be broadcast everywhere and it would be a great rallying cry for the Repub’s to see what haters you cats really are….:(
Al Qieda and Hammas just love you folks! The too think America is the bad guy.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:03 pmA major reason for invading Iraq has been to get troops on the ground near Iran. Why Iran? Let’s look at a few reasons.
1. The hostage crisis of November 4, 1979 gave the United States a black eye that has never been avenged.
2. The continuous fermenting of Anti-Americanism hatred in the region that began in earnest since the hostage crisis. The effect of this propaganda was evident on September 11, even if Iran was not directly involved.
3. The bombing of the Marine barracks in 1983 has the fingerprints of Iran all over it. Another black eye that this time drew blood.
4. Suspected support of the Iraqi insurgency and sectarian violence. Iranians are Shi’ite.
5. The confirmed use of uniformed military forces in the recent Israeli-Hezbollah conflict. According to the Bush doctrine, action against Iran is now justified.
6. The potential threat of nuclear Iran threatening important oil-suppliers in the Middle East. The administration has been watching this long before the Iraqi invasion.
Still, conventional military wisdom suggests that we are long way off from war. It is military infeasible for us to provide an October surprise. But wouldn’t a November 4 attack be a beautiful thing? All of that celebration going on in Tehran while we supply the fireworks.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:09 pmis it possible they would use a nuke in Iran? What would that do to the region, from a purely ecological and sociologic point of view? Would Europe stand for this? Russia? Turkey? Does anyone have info on this? And this sure seems to me to be 1 way to unify all Muslims, radical and centrist. I don’t believe in god, but I am doing the equivalent of praying. That and a handful of pixie dust is all I got.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:20 pmIdiot Americans who voted him in for the second term……….. Now the world reaps the reward
September 19th, 2006 at 6:27 pm#184 Bonded
It is a**holes like you (that think this is a f**king video game) that will be the downfall of the AmeriKKKa. Don’t be so cocky and sure about your good ol U.S. of A., keep playing with fire and we will see who gets burnt.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:08 pmIMPEACH-PROSECUTE-EXECUTE
September 19th, 2006 at 8:19 pmBUSHCO are not going to stop their agenda EVER, and short of a violent revolution nothing will stop the totally insane agression. The world will forever remember this totally corrupt criminal regime and will hold the people of america responsible for a VERY long time,so do not plan to travel abroad…YOU the american people let this happen,being fooled,cheated,robbed and criminalized by your leadership ! FASCISM reigns in america,not democracy so either wake up and change your ignorance or you will pay a very high price for doing nothing to stop the totally f*cking insane american leadership from dooming the entire population,not just the fools that believe the lies and crimes are justified…ALL are responsible for their so called elected officials….Americans let it happen instead of stopping the corrupt judges from electing FASCISM….God might not like america’s criminal government,but the world really sees what the U.S.A. stands for, not hotdogs and apple pie.MURDER LIES THEIFT, real christians do not do what has been done….
It would be funny if so many weren’t infected by this disease america has become. PROSECUTE-EXECUTE these criminals running america,show the world you do know better and aren’t the fools you appear to be.
Lemming herder rings the Godwin bell.
“Perhaps one of the 60+ books King George read this summer should have been on the blunders Napoleon and Hitler made?”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law
Nice job.
Tom
September 19th, 2006 at 8:59 pmWOW! We are so toast if we go to war in Iran. Our economy can’t handle another GWB blunder on this scale.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:05 pmThe Yoo memo on Bush Commander in chief powers says Bush does not need Congressional authorization to make war on Iran – Yoo and Bush still take the position that these powers are inherent and not subject to Congressional or judicial check or oversight – regardless of recent US Supreem Court decsions in Hamdan and ?? (forgot he name of the case).
I fear for my country and the world.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:10 pmViolent revolution??? Anybody else for that?
September 19th, 2006 at 9:16 pm[...] Think Progress » Retired Colonel: ‘We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now. The Evidence Is Overwhelming.’ Just now on CNN, Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner (Ret.) said, “We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming.†[...]
September 19th, 2006 at 9:27 pmDidn’t anyone else see the movie V FOR VENDETTA and read between the lines? I’m telloing you anarchy, total street mayhem, guns in our hands, refuse to work, unions boycotting the companies, total break down of society is the only way left to usurp the evil powers that have taken over this country. Time to lock, load, and take aim. That Bush or Cheney or Rove or Rumsfeld isn’t dead yet, is a fricking miracle; I hope the USSS has to work overtime to keep those cretin alive……
September 19th, 2006 at 9:47 pmDidn’t anyone else see the movie V FOR VENDETTA and read between the lines? I’m telloing you anarchy, total street mayhem, guns in our hands, refuse to work, unions boycotting the companies, total break down of society is the only way left to usurp the evil powers that have taken over this country. Time to lock, load, and take aim. That Bush or Cheney or Rove or Rumsfeld isn’t dead yet, is a fricking miracle; I hope the USSS has to work overtime to keep those cretin alive……
September 19th, 2006 at 9:47 pmWhen does Congress and the Senate and the Supreme Court act and take a hand in stopping the madness from this political nightmare from hell? When do we take our country back from the moron (Dubya), the arrogant liar (Cheney), and the psycho (Rumsfeld)? Invading countries with no authorization, demanding laws be changed so that we can torture, running the entire shithole into the toilet where does it end?
September 19th, 2006 at 9:55 pmThe mad scramble for the remainder of Middle East Oil is on, guys. This is what this is all about. The “War on Terror” is nothing but a euphamism for “Resource (i.e, oil) Wars”. The coming years will be one Resource War after another. The American economy is dependent on Middle East oil, without it we’re doomed. America will not nuke Iran because we will not want to endanger the flow of oil. However, if America or some sort of U.N. coalition does make a move against Iran, Iran will disrupt the flow of oil for us as revenge. Life will be much, much different 10 years from now. If the American Energy Policy = nothing but Middle East Oil Securitization, then we will have no alternative but to reinstate the draft. And there will be no Canadian loopholes or school deferments this time around, the military has already has plans to ensure that doesn’t happen again. I’m glad I’m 45 and not 15.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:13 pmRE:147, 148, & 149;
What reason would America(ns) have to not support Israel?
Comment by coachjason — September 19, 2006 @ 10:53 am
Because Israelis are a bunch of backstabbing caniving warmongers. The NeoCons are just Likkuds without the Yiddish accent. Israel has instigated false flags attacks against the US and other countries to incite them into fighting their wars because their army is not large enough to do it. Look up the Levon and USS Liberty incidents where Israeli mossad attacked American forces dressed as Arabs in order to bring us into their war. I wouldnt put it past mossad to have pulled off the 9-11 tragedy. We should leave Israel to fester in the mess they incited.
September 20th, 2006 at 2:03 amLOLOLOLOL!!! Here’s the best year of West Point AWOL’s doing the strategic briefing and situation explanation for the rest of us numbnuts…
- if it ain’t right, don’t do it; if it ain’t truth, don’t say it -
September 20th, 2006 at 5:12 amdraft draft draft this will be quite funny im enjoying american losers squirm like the pigs enjoy this ride deadbeats
September 20th, 2006 at 7:25 amIf they bomb Iran, it result in an even more dangerous mess than Iraq. The country is four times larger, has millions of youths for recruiting age, lots of Russian missles, and would be far more unified than Iraq was. Iraq was weakened by the gulf war and over 10 years of sanctions before we went in with shock and awe. Iran could make a mess of the gulf and oil prices would soar. Remember when we had trouble with Iran a few years after Khomeni took over? They started shooting at tankers. This time they have alot more weapons at their disposal to do that, including supersonic sunburn missiles from Russia. Also, iran is not split up between waring factions like Iraq was. They have a deep rooted nationalism that has been there since the Persion empire. Their young men will become pretty patriotic once we start blowing up things. Also, should I mention Russia and China have a lot of economic interest in Iran? What if China decides to stop financing our out of control deficit by refusing to buy our bonds or starts cashing in the hundreds of billions they already have?
September 20th, 2006 at 9:08 amNOW HEAR THIS: WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTACK IRAN!!!
It’s a Bushian Bluff!
September 20th, 2006 at 9:27 am[...] Oh, and they may well have already started some sort of military action against Iran. EMail This Post [...]
September 20th, 2006 at 9:38 am[...] We may already be in Iran. [...]
September 20th, 2006 at 10:14 amWhat a trouble making jerk. This guy has no official capacity and is dreaming sweet Republican dreams of war and torture. This is more of the administration and the dittohead networks trying to get us to love the bombs and torture chambers.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:19 amHeard on NPR this morning that there is an “Iran Group” in the Pentagon. Guess who’s in the group?
Remember the Office of Special Plans? Same folks. October surprise anyone?
Hooboy. Here we go again.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:56 amI’m with midwestblue,eveyone just stop going to work and stop buying for one or two days.Result:entire civilisation comes to a screeching halt.Bush would shit his pants.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:09 amWAR PIGS ARE AT IT AGAIN!
September 20th, 2006 at 11:22 am[...] Iran on the Horizon – we seem to be getting closer to a declaration of war. [...]
September 20th, 2006 at 11:33 am#207:
That would work if everyone participated. But since it will only be, like, fifty of you…
September 20th, 2006 at 11:35 amUntil all of we who disagree with this maniacal bullshit mount a GENERAL STRIKE, and shut down our places of employment – keep our kids home from school and refuse to go out and piss money away for a week or so….none of this will change at all. November elections won’t change it, even if Dems take back both houses….we need a Orange Revolution, we need a mass action to take place, or we might just as well trade places with the neo-nazis camped out in Idaho, because they’re acceptable in a mainstream sense now, and they will come down from the mountains to get jobs with insurace companies and telecoms. Any of us who are not materialistic, self-serving, bible-banger hypocrites will hence be the outsiders, “left behind” by the psychotic fanaticists, relegated to perpetual mockery. Without the courage of conviction to take organized action on a mass scale we do no better than the trolls accuse us of.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:57 amCheck out the armchair chicken hawks who are swearing at a retired colonel for “lying” – hell, look at these emotional wrecks trying to spin their way into believing everything’s fine and we have a real purpose in Iran. Look at the tenacity of purpose, the lying, yelling, swearing, outright character assassinations.
September 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pmAre these people that want to know what’s really going on in Iran? I doubt it. These are people too invested in the worst failure ever to occupy the oval office to be objective anymore, and they’d rather see their own country take a nosedive than admit fault. Of course, this requires ever-increasing volume of crap to flow from their mouths, like cornered rabid raccoons. Are they even capable of admiting personal weaknesses? Anyone see a single instance of any such thing in this long list of comments?
This country sucks out loud – full of dumb, frightened, racists who want other people to do their dirty work and can’t admit mistakes. I’m amazed this colonel got any airtime – CNN has repositioned themselves as FOX NEWS LITE. What in god’s name is a dissenting voice doing on the network? We’ve got to take this country back from the criminal enterprise in power and try and execute all those responsible for war crimes.
Bring ‘em on!
Bush now has an historic opportunity to become the first President in American history to lose three wars!
September 20th, 2006 at 1:03 pmhttp://www.peterdavidbeter.com
hmmm…birdie num num
September 20th, 2006 at 1:04 pmThis message is for George Bush and cronies.
You will not have the guts to take on Iran, or for that matter, N Korea. The maths are not right. You work out the probabilities! The November elections will be in favor of the Democrats.
GWB, you take a rest and await the inevitable impeachment actions. You have been the greatest failure as a leader in any nation, developed or undeveloped!
May God bless the sane world!
Jesus
September 20th, 2006 at 1:10 pmDear “The DLC are Frauds,”
So, things must be busy, what with you enlisting to fight in this final war and all. Keep us posted on how your training goes.
September 20th, 2006 at 1:19 pmWell guys, bush the serial killer is about to start ww3 with some support from his own party, very little support from the democrats, very little support from third parties, very little support from his own military, no support from russia , china, france and most other world countries except israel and maybe some halfass support from not so great britain. Sounds to me like this president should be put in a straight jacket and sent to an insane asylum. When bush starts this war, he is going to find out that he can not make murderers out of all of us. This is his war and the scumbag has been told to leave iran alone. Start yer war bush but you had better be ready for the world wide repercussions that will be rammed right down your fu@@in throat..When you start this war we will still not support you, or DEFEND YOU at your war crimes trial….We will gladly hand your sorry butt over to the procecutors at the hague……A$$hole.
September 20th, 2006 at 2:09 pmWell guys, bush the serial killer is about to start ww3 with some support from his own party, very little support from the democrats, very little support from third parties, very little support from his own military, no support from russia , china, france and most other world countries except israel and maybe some halfass support from not so great britain. Sounds to me like this president should be put in a straight jacket and sent to an insane asylum. When bush starts this war, he is going to find out that he can not make murderers out of all of us. This is his war and the scumbag has been told to leave iran alone. Start yer war bush but you had better be ready for the world wide repercussions that will be rammed right down your fu@@in throat.When you start this war we will still not support you, or DEFEND YOU at your war crimes trial….We will gladly hand your sorry butt over to the procecutors at the hague.A$$hole.
September 20th, 2006 at 2:17 pmWhat a terrific waste of perfectly good munitions! The aggresssion will not stop Iran from doing anything. It will, however, justify any response they can muster in the unforseeable future, and what goes around will undoubteddly come around. Hopefully our military command will realize the folly of this misguided pre-emptive effort as reckless posturing.
September 20th, 2006 at 2:24 pmWhat do you expect from a president who is a HOMO. Google ” bush gaygate “.
September 20th, 2006 at 2:26 pmDoes anybody see that smirk on that guys face?
September 20th, 2006 at 2:35 pm[...] Artikkeli täällä [...]
September 20th, 2006 at 2:35 pmThis is a test post.
September 20th, 2006 at 3:04 pmPeople, wake up. The Muslins are the only people left on earth protecting us from world wide slavery through debt based money. They don’t allow usury, therefore no taxes which is the tool used to control all other governments and their populations.
Mayer rothschild said “give me the power to create a nations money and I care not who makes it’s laws”.
This why the continuous degrading of Muslims and war against them.
Simply put, the pentagon is the tool of the Rothschild/Rockefeller bank and it’s current job is to take out Islam for ever, so the bank is inimpeded in it’s global slavery plan.
September 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pmHeh heh. We have had troops doing nasty things in Iran since 2004.
September 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pmIt is past time for impeachment.It is now time remove this son of bitch from office,both he and dick cheney.There must be some sort of emergency power that congress has to remove them from office They are a threat to this country and to international stability.WE MUST ACT NOW!The time for talk is over.The time for action is now!We must find a way to make this happen before it is to late.RISE UP AMERICA,IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK NOW! We must not allow the United States to take military action against Iran.King george has gone stark raving mad.He is hell bent on getting us into WW3.If the United States takes military action against Iran,I wonder what North Korea will do? WE CAN NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN! THIS IS AN URGENT CALL FOR ACTION!
September 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pmThe President of Iran has publically called for the elimination of Israel which has about 7 million people. He insists on his countries right to nuclear technology claiming they want it for electricity. They refuse any international monitoring.
Do you people get it or are you all simply dense. He wants to KILL 7 million
people for heaven’s sake. Should we all sit idly by and allow an irrational idealouge get nukes? What if the Chinese or the Koreans sell him ICBM capability and he can get a nuke to London, Paris or New York?
Wake up…the coffee is on.
September 20th, 2006 at 4:16 pmYou guys are scaring the crap out of me so much that I am going to use my credit card and buy some oil and gold stocks plus a few silver coins to have some ready money. sonny
September 20th, 2006 at 4:18 pmThat to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
It is time to abolish.
September 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pmHey people, We the people are in grave danger. Haliburton got the o.k. for a 300 million dolar contract to build detention centers, in 2008 everyone is required to carry a national I.D. card, now this war with Iran.
This is a pre-cursor to 1937 Germany.
If you don’t think so you’ve been DUPED already and I’m sure there is a boxcar with shackles awaiting anyone who dares protest. Mr. Bush is being bankrolled and backed by his occult secret society “Skull and Bones” and their network of freemasonic temples whose motto is…
ABDO CHAO TRANSLATED: ORDER OUT OF CHAOS
Welcome to our new AMERIKA!
September 20th, 2006 at 4:56 pm1) the population of Israel is more than 7 million
2) Iran is NOT the preeminent threat in the middle east, no matter what CNN says.
3) Nuking any part of Israel will result in a tac nuke exchange which would anihilate not just us, jews, but also Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Egyptians, Iraquis and Iranians. Israel has delivery systems the Iranians are lacking, but it doesn’t take much of a delivery system ( certainly no need for an ICBM) to attack Israel from Iran or to wipe most of iran off the map with the riposte.
4)Iranians know this, and most folks who bother with the matter at all also know that demagoguery and baldfaced lying are the route to power in the middle east ( and other places too)
Both sides are playing a dangerous game, but in either case it is dangerous mostly to folks in the middle east. Nukes are simple enougth to build, but delivery systems such as ICBM’s aren’t, which is why Chinese ICBM’s are few and technologically equivalent to those USSR had in the 50’s ( liquid fueled, requiring a large amount of time to prepare for launch and difficult to hide). What the chinese DO have and what they most likely sold the Iranians are their equivalent of cruise missiles ( Israel also has some, notably Popeye & Popeye Turbo). and these can carry small tactical warheads. This means that at least for now Europe and the US are not theratened directly, so no need to panic buy duct tape or bottled water just yet…
September 20th, 2006 at 5:11 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
September 20th, 2006 at 6:11 pmSome good comments. Friends the reason that more than likely this will not stop is that the American people have a recent history of being mainly blowhards. The three stooges on the hill don’t read these blogs and don’t care what is said because there is nothing behind it. You want to stop this? Then there must be a physical presence, no violence, simply a very large gathering at every available opportunity. Since this is an election year the opportunities for this are endless.
September 20th, 2006 at 6:50 pmBush is the on thing between you idiots and the Islamic genocide of the west – you left wing commie pinkos deserve the coming fascist wrath, ohhh the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
September 20th, 2006 at 7:07 pmDo you know the concept of galactic guardians of the Mayan people?
September 20th, 2006 at 7:16 pmDo you know of 21st December 2012?
Do you think this “monkeys” who want war, are owners of the Earth?
Don’t worry, be happy.
Be sure you will die someday. Is n´t it?
re:#234.Well if it is’nt another turd from george w. bush’sw asshole.
September 20th, 2006 at 8:23 pmIt’s very odd. I have tried twice earlier today to post comments on this thread but they still aren’t appearing. Hmmmm. I’ll make another attempt now.
Our democracy is very badly broken. People in America just don’t care about anything or anyone anymore. We have taken freedom and liberty for granted for so long now that Americans simply forgot about how important these things really are to us. We have forgotten how important it is for us to work to keep our freedoms and liberties alive for the sake of our current and future generations. The privilege of doing whatever we please on a day to day basis is the most important thing to us. Hedonistically serving our every personal whim and desire is all that matters. We don’t believe that we should have to work for our ability to enjoy the fruits of a free society. We believe that it should and always will be there for us just because we expect it to be so. Period.
However, freedom, liberty and genuine democracy comes at a price whether or not we are willing to contribute anything to it or not. If we don’t work to keep our democracy then our government and corporate establishments will gladly diligently take it away from us. This is precisely what is happening in America today. We are just a heartbeat away from losing our free society that we have taken for granted possibly everyday of our lives.
As for America’s desire for regime change in Iran – it’s all about the oil. The Bush administration would like nothing better than to go to war with Iran. The Bush\Cheney\Rumsfeld\Rove\GOP\Exxon and most other GOPers well oiled machines wants to claim all the oil rich countries in the Middle East as their own. They don’t care who they have to kill and what countries they must destroy in order to take possession of the world’s oil resources. True, this would raise oil prices to unconscionable levels. Not to worry. The Busheviks will reap incalculable profits from these transactions. Nothing or no one else matters at all.
As for Americans, they are out of touch with reality and they like it that way. We will continue to be told a plethora of lies by our government and mainstream media outlets. We will continue to be force-fed petrifying doses of fear and daily “terrorist” mantras which will eternally mummify and solidify the minds and bodies of Americans. The Rovianspinmeister methods work like an intoxicating hypnotic state of mind. They have since George W. Bush took office in 2000.
With the threat of war with Iran imminent Americans will waddle and rush to the polls to vote for their Lords and Saviors, the Grand Oil Party candidates and incumbents on November 7, 2006.
Tragically, the voters will NOT be choosing our leaders no matter how many people come out to vote. The electronic voting machines WILL be selecting our governing officials. Whether it’s done by vote stealing software, preprogrammed rigged memory cards and\or chips where all the data is stored, a hidden rebootable operating system, a ready hacked tabulation system, or a million plus other ways of voter disenfranchisement which has been instituted by our governing and corporate bodies – the Republicans are GUARANTEED to keep their majorities. Period.
Yes, George W. Bush recently announced to his colleagues that his comrades are going to win and win big. The vendors, such as Diebold, have promised that they will do everything in their power to ensure Republican victories. Various corporations around the country reported that they want the “status quo†to maintain their political positions. Companies like ChoicePoint, the Telcos monopolies, Big Pharma and others have stated that they are there for current Republican incumbents and new conservatives.
September 20th, 2006 at 9:28 pmMark these words. Republicans will win in November and we will attack Iran in January.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:23 pmBuy oil stocks.
I tried posting these comments twice earlier today as well. So I’ll give it one more try now.
Despite the dismal state of affairs in this country there are people who are trying to preserve what we have left of our democracy.
The folks at http://www.blackboxvoting.org and http://www.bradblog.com have been documenting and proving election fraud since 2000 and 2004 respectively. Blackboxvoting.org is a nonpartisan, nonprofit, citizen donations supported elections integrity 501c(3) watchdog group representing the voters of the United States.
The missions of Blackbox and Bradblog have been to educate and inform American citizens about the truth behind elections in America. Also, their goals has been and now is even more so to get citizens more involved in the election process in order to achieve more accurate, fair, auditable, verifiable, transparent and unbiased elections.
Sadly, however, voter apathy in America and the peoples’ distrust of our political leaders or perspective candidates of the last 25 years has led to a frightening disconnect between electing people with moral character or bothering to vote at the polls at all. At most in any given election we might get a 50% turnout of the voting electorate if we’re lucky.
Moreover, citizen participation has fallen so drastically over the last 20 years that our government and corporate vendors have been working diligently together to privatize and secretize our entire elections processes. Meanwhile, Americans have fallen into a long, seemingly permanent, deep sleep over our most sacred and critical democratic function. Our democracy is in grave peril as a result.
Anybody who knows anything at all about computers know one thing with absolute certainty – they need antivirus, firewall security, spyware, hackerware and spamware protection software to block out invaders. Without it your computer would be rendered useless in a manner of minutes or hours at most.
Having said that, consider our “new” electronic voting machines that are being installed in America. The vendors of these machines are Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia and Intercivic-Hart. Sequoia was the first to arrive on the scene back in 1996. By the time 2000 rolled around the other manufacturers started to release their machines. These machines have the same and\or similar vulnerabilities that computers have. Voting tabulation software that is controlled and created by proprietary source code, rebootable operating systems, firmware upgrades, hardware upgrades, memory chips, memory cards and yes, vote stealing software, are common in these devices. So why in the world would anybody expect these machines to be any safer or more secure than the computers you use at home or in the workplace?
To answer the question of why one must first understand who is in control of what and what have they to gain from this power they hold. To explain allow me to give you some details. November 7, 2006 is election day this year. 80% of the voting electorate will cast their vote on an e-voting machine. The now convicted for fraud and other charges, US Republican Representative of Ohio, Bob Ney, was instrumental in establishing HAVA, the Help America Vote Act. This Act allocated $3 billion for the purchase of e-voting machines, with at least 60% of this money to go to Diebold purchases. HAVA would also privatize the machines so that all source code, software, security, management, certification, repair, maintenance, etc., of these devices would be kept secret and known only by the vendors. Too, HAVA drastically reduced the rights of citizens to oversee elections processes and allowed the government to hire officials whose job it is to keep votes and voting processes confidential and out of the reach of voters. It became so secret that voters themselves no longer had any meaningful way of knowing for sure how they actually voted. For example, in many states e-voting machines don’t provide any audit trail, receipt, printout, ballot or any other record that would physically prove how voters voted. The government just simply says, “You will have to trust us”. Well I don’t and I certainly hope you don’t either.
In the meantime, Corporate shills hired by the vendors are propped up to lie about how infallible, accurate and error-free there machines are. I for one am totally disgusted with their constant lying and mantras about how they keep improving their security and so-called fixing ongoing problems that are never actually remedied. Extremely serious problems, weaknesses and vulnerabilities with hardware, software, firmware, memory cards and chips, gaping security holes that never really get resolved or patched. If and when they are patched, they are either not done properly or new problems arise. Diebold is the most common offender, although they are not alone.
At Blackbox and Bradblog you will find literally thousands of articles, documents, papers, reports, legal essays, artifacts, audio, video and so much more in vivid detail regarding the facts and experiences people have been having all around this country with elections fraud and elections in general since 2000. It’s all really quite extraordinarily mind boggling and overwhelming. You can also link to http://www.youtube.com. In the “Search for” block in the top right hand corner just type in “election fraud” and press the “Search” button. You will get at least 86 audio-video results. Take the time to listen to as many of them as you can. You’ll be glad you did.
After you have taken the time to visit Blackbox, Bradblog and YouTube, you should have a thorough understanding of what we’re up against in this country. I don’t believe we have much time left. We have an administration in place that is unlike any other this nation has ever known since and even before its’ founding when King George I ruled (pre-1776). Our twice Commander-In-Thief has nearly total unchecked power and ALL the branches of government and media have large Neoconservative “Republican” majorities in place. Many of them got their by stealing elections but they have also used other nefariously diabolical methods of taking the positions and posts they now hold.
I have been living on this planet for a very long time. The fact that Fascist Autocratic Pluralism is becoming a way of life in America is egregiously disturbing to me. I would prefer to recall the happy and easy going years of the 1950s when democracy was truly as wholesome as Grandma’s homemade apple pie. Everybody cared about and look out for each other. People were not as quick to condemn their neighbors simply because they were a little different from themselves.
I digress. Still, there are all manners of fraud taking place in this country today. It’s worse now than at any other time in the history of our nation. If you care at all about continuing to live in a democratic society you will get involved in some way to keep it. Else you will lose it and democracy will be gone forever. Make no mistake about it.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:36 pm[...] This after Jonathan Singer of MyDD reported retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner’s assertion that the U.S. is already in Iran. On CNN this afternoon, retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner said, “We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming.” Reporting from Time magazine’s Michael Duffy indicates we may be moving warships near Iran, which could be viewed as a highly provocative action. [...]
September 21st, 2006 at 12:14 am[...] This after Jonathan Singer of MyDD reported retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner’s assertion that the U.S. is already in Iran. On CNN this afternoon, retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner said, “We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming.” Reporting from Time magazine’s Michael Duffy indicates we may be moving warships near Iran, which could be viewed as a highly provocative action. [...]
September 21st, 2006 at 12:14 am#227 John, You should read a bit more than just the sensational headlines and preferably not from the zionist controlled media. Firstly Ahmedinejad is calling for the State of Israel to be dismantelled he does not advocate the “New Holocaust”. This is typical of the shitty US and worldwide media “circass” that promote Zionist ideology. Israel HAS nukes
September 21st, 2006 at 1:12 amand it EVERY countries right to protect themselves, including Iran. The Israelis have stabbed American in the back more than once (i.e. Liberty,
etc.,) they will not hesitate to do it again and again. Look at who is causing you grief and shit right at this moment. The Neo-Cun##s have formulated a megolmaniac plan which is truly ironic. They tax you , spend the money on their interests and when you guys start to bitch they will lock you up in their prisons that they have built with your tax dollars.
John please remember that the Chinese may well enter the ensuing war using missiles that are built to yankee specs that Isarel sold them.
Israel is rubbing her hands together in anticipating the warm American blood that will be shed to protect this abomination of a tinpot Middle east
“democracy”. Remember too that 911 was not commited by Saddam OR BinLaden and if this isn’t what you believe then your comments are not worth a pinch of dung.
FACT: Iran has been funding global terror for many years
FACT: If Iran had a nuke they would use it
FACT: If we don’t stop them, one day they will nuke us or give a nuke to someone else to nuke us.
I say we don’t let them do any of the above.
Anyone here want Iran to do ANY of the above?
I say we let HAIR Asset Identification go in there and clean things up in 48 hours.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:16 amShem
You should take your meds or check yourself in to an emergency room, soon before you melt
September 21st, 2006 at 2:49 am#244 Dear Greg,
September 21st, 2006 at 4:01 amkeep watching Faux news and enjoy the consequences.
Your comments unfortunately reflect the cause of the problems in the good ole USA today. Maybe if you stepped back from the mirror, removed your rose coloured glasses and wipe the bullshit of them you could see the truth
and then say “Wow, I know why they all hate us now” .Warmongering and ugly chest thumping just doesn’t go well with most with an intelligence slightly higher than simians. I’ll check into a hospital as soon as you check into a vet.
Cheers.
#244 Greg, If you can or would! Give me your knowledge on the attack on the USS Liberty and who committed the act of aggression.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:09 amHave any Israeli spies been in action in the US lately.
Do you know about the “Dancing Jews”?
Please give me an explanation before trying to dismiss my claims.
Also while you are at it can you give me a critical assessment of the mental stability of George W.
I will consider my points to be correct till proven other wise.
While you are at it go and watch Loose change2. Enjoy.
USA used to be GREAT. trouble is “used to be”.
243 (ret LTC. fact1. The only terror group iran is funding is Hezbollah who is a political party in lebanon and not a terrorist organisation
fact2. They already have 3-5 nukclear warheads (they bought it from the black market in the 90s), and they are not stupid enough to use it. They only stupid who ever used a bomb is the USA
fact3. Iran hasn’t started a single war for years. They are a peaceful country. They have the right to obtain a nuklear bomb to prevent an invasion on them.
September 21st, 2006 at 5:08 amLie: Iran has been funding global terror for many years
FACT: “global terror†…. another USAsrael labels on freedom fighters whose lands are occupied.
“global terror†= “Irgunâ€, “Haganah” and other butchers, terrorist groups, these are the foundation of the so called Israel, the country that USA is willing to burn the world for.
Lie: If Iran had a nuke they would use it
FACT: History shows no other creatures use the nuke except the animals that run US administration. Israel is more than willing to follow steps.
Lie: If we don’t stop them, one day they will nuke us or give a nuke to someone else to nuke us.
FACT: Arab and Muslim countries are the ones being occupied and nuked out —- Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan, —— Depleted Uranium ………… ring a bell??!!! Now who nuked and occupied who in the first place?
Please next time, have your facts right before spit your foul venom on people.
And yes I support Iran to arm to the teeth just to defend herself from an empire that double standers are the crux of its foreign policy.
September 21st, 2006 at 5:56 amScary similarities:
Didn’t Hitler start a systematic march through Europe a while back using flase claims progandized as truth?
Bush starts systematic march through through Middle East using false claims progandized as truth.
Hitler told the Nazis they fought for God and Freedom.
Bush tells us we’re fighting for God and Freedom.
Hitler brought the ‘Blitzkreig’ to Europe.
Bush brought ‘Shock and Awe’ to the Middle East.
Both got bogged down…We know what happened the first time…what does the future hold for us?
Don’t forget that Hitler and Bush’s grandfather Prescott were pals who made A LOT of $$$$ together during WWII. Is WWIII the business model? I can only imagine what Christmas was like at their house.
This could go on…
September 21st, 2006 at 7:20 amAll we need to do is send in the democrat from D.C. That should take down Iran in about one week.
September 21st, 2006 at 8:48 amSorry folks, but Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner (Ret.) is a whacko of biblical proportions. On a positive note, there is a fool proof way to tell when this sack of shiite is lying…look for his lips…if they move, he’s lying….
Do you really think that if we were in any way engaged in Iran that that boob they call a president, Ahkkk-(spit!)-men-din-eeee-jad would have hesitated for a second to blow it wide open at the UN the other day? you people are such sheeple, follow the moron left blindly into oblivion no matter how stupid the premise….wake up.
September 21st, 2006 at 10:19 amYou do not become a Colonel being a whacko. They will weed you out like cannabis as a medicine (talk about big business…keep the people from growing their own medicine…aka the only plant called a drug in its natural form)
Iran’s president spoke at the UN, and if you paid any attention you would see that every point he made is precise. If they do not make a nuke, what is going to stop us from invading? If you think we are invading in october…..then maybe thats why they wont stop the enrichment until a deal has been made. They know Stump is ready to send more boys to die and know the bomb is the only chance they have to keep us out, and their oil safe and keep western influences away from where they do not want them.
Denial anyone? Venezuela’s Chavez called bush the Devil. Bush claims to be a religious man.
Is the false prophet a man or a country…preach one thing, do another….
SOunds like “democracy” and democratic elections here.
are we going to build a 900 million dollar “embassy” in Iran like we are doing in iraq?
The sooner the 95% of our country which are ignorant, stupid, pathetic followers get their heads out of their asses and team up with those who are in the know and fed up, maybe they can follow some honest leaders that may arise and get something accomplished…buy us some more time before WW3.
September 21st, 2006 at 11:52 amUm, excuse me, big biscuit, but I am retired from the US Air Force, and becoming a colonel is nothing short of “who you know, and who you blow”. There are MANY whackos in the military, and it is not as easy to “weed them out” as you may think. We had a full bird colonel here at the hospital who was caught masturbating in his office. There are individuals with axes to grind in every work place in America, and the military is no exception. Gardiner is the poster child for such leftist dung heaps as “Democracy now”, “counterpunch.org” and “informationclearinghouse.com”. Not your bastions of truth on the internet, to say the least. Also funny how his erroneous claims of US actions in Iran were made on the “Clinton News Network” (CNN), and not in a more centrist news outlet.
Gardiner likes to say that “everyone else is lying except me…sort of like your claim that, “95% of our country … are ignorant, stupid, pathetic followers get their heads out of their asses and team up with those who are in the know and fed up…” Seems to me that if 95% believe the opposite of you, then you are the one who is “ignorant, stupid, and pathetic”, and perhaps you should grab your ears and pull real hard…that popping sound will be the reversal or your anal-cranial inversion….
Gardiner likes to say that “everyone else is lying except me…sort of like your claim that, “95% of our country … are ignorant, stupid, pathetic followers get their heads out of their asses and team up with those who are in the know and fed up…” Seems to me that if 95% believe the oposite of you , then you are the one who is “ignorant, stupid, and pathetic”, and perhaps you should grab your ears and pull real hard…that popping sound will be the reversal or your anal-cranial inversion….
September 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pmHello, from Portugal. From the perspective of a outsider, the style of comment from this individual, in number 253, reflects the ideia we have of the average north american citizen. The world is in troubles. :-))
September 21st, 2006 at 2:18 pmThe average of the North American citizen? But Mr. (Mrs.?) Biscuit says 95% of us are just the opposite! So which is it? Come on, can’t you liberals and socilists even agree with each other?
You guys really crack me up!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
September 21st, 2006 at 2:23 pmBo+Diddley, how dare you have the unmitigated gall to label Democracy Now as a “dung heapâ€. You ignorant, immoral, unscrupulous excuse for a human being. You have less intelligence than a one-celled paramecium organism.
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Bo+Diddley, the next time you want to trample upon something you know absolutely nothing about, do us all a favor here in this thread. Keep all your Bush\Cheney\Rove\Rumsfeld\Rice snake poison spewing points to your Godforsaken self. It’s like what Hugo Chavez, President of Venezuela, recently said while at the United Nations. “The Devil was here. Yes, the Devil was right here – in this room…†“This room wreaks of sulfur…â€
Yes, the stench of George W. Bush still remained in the room long after he was gone. Your stenchuous odor will unfortunately stay with us long after you are gone, too.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:29 pmPlease disregard the question marks (?) that appear in my post # 256. I didn’t type them in but yet there they are. Oh, well.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmNow then, thankfuly i a mnot american, i say that not because i dislike america or the people, because i dont, im english and ive been to america and i loved the place and the people, but i say i am glad im nto american, because i guarentee some of the people who have posted on this topic from america, will die soon.
Thank your president for that, and i spose parrtly our PM aswell, we may aswell help you try to take over iran, dont see the point but we may aswell, that will give islam more people to suicide bomb.
SO betting shops should make odds on the end of the world
Will it be ended by Greenhouse gasses or War?
Oh and as for the revolution, i think it shoul dhappen, all of your government members are impractical terrorists
September 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pmFigures that all the dems spout the same old tune. Don’t you ever get tired of forecasting and being wrong?
If the dems had won we would be sitting here waiting for the wimps at the UN to do something which is a joke because anything they do has no efect on anything whatsoever.
Kerry would be sitting there like an ostrich with his head in the sand, or if it were Clinton his head would be somewhere else.. oops I mean someone else..
September 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pmAs it has been said by othere, the Muslimg don’t want peaceful co-existance. They simply want us DEAD.
WHy are not the moderate Muslims standing up against the terror being done by their own?
Sad as it is th U.S. is the only country that can stop them, and it is going to take balls and not wimp out. This was said by one of Hussein’s most trusted Generals ( one that was not Muslim I might add, and the only one he trusted to give him the real truth as others were for fear of being shot on the spot). He said the U.S. is too nice to enemies and that they will need to not do that to defeat these radical muslims.
Lucyindeisuise,
Nice job bro!
These lefties buddy up to our enemies and think “diplo speak” will solve everything. Clinton tried to pay off Kim Jong Il with a few billion to stop enriching uranium. They agreed, took the dinero and put themselves on a fast track to building a nuke and laughing at us. Nice job Bubba!
You’ll never hear anything like that on this site. Everthing’s Bush’s fault.
I compare the USA to the NY Yankees, they are always on top so if your not a true fan of theirs, ya hate da bums and Steinbrenner is evil for keeping them on top!
September 21st, 2006 at 6:22 pmTo this quote:”Even the people who like the idea of dropping nukes on Iran have to admit that there’s obviously no imminent threat, nothing that can’t wait at least , oh five years or so, so it’s not worth the risk to do anythink rash.” Comment by Margaret — September 18, 2006
You must be about as dumb as they come! Well let’s see, there was no imminent threat from Hitler, and look at what the panzies over in Europe did. Appeased him. Basically like you are wanting to do. I say we go over there, drop a nuke on these wanna be Islamic hardasses, and tell the rest of the world to buck up and start dealing with these militant extremists the way they should be dealt with. Let’s don’t keep drawing out the killing with little wars here and there, and all of these idiotic suicide bombings. We need to march over there and tell these stupid bastards to quit living in the damned dark ages, start being like most civilized countries, or we are just going to kick the ever loving crap out you. Damn hezbollah. Damn Iran. And may Allah shove a nuclear suppository up Bin Laden’s ass.
September 21st, 2006 at 7:28 pm“Let’s don’t keep drawing out the killing with little wars here and there, and all of these idiotic suicide bombings”
u dumb idiot, tell me when was the last time u heard an iranian doing such terrorist activities?????
watch: farenheit9/11 , loose change , illuminati
these movies have nth to do with my comment..but yea watch it u might learn a thing or 2
September 21st, 2006 at 11:47 pm# 259 and 260.
September 21st, 2006 at 11:50 pmI don’t see spending $400,000,000 on two wars as keeping us on top. Soon Chinese want their money that financed these wars. And then your fat a$$es has to rent itself to pay them back.
Liberal or conservative the facts speak for themselves.
This idiot mortgaged our future to enrich Haliburton and the like.
The only reason we are in Iraq is to ensure future oil contracts. After the first Gulf war, Sadam gave all the oil contracts to the Russians, French, Germans, Dutch and Chines. American and British companies got zilch.
To get these contracts we have murdered thousands of Iraqies and Americans, sold our freedoms, live in fear and spy on each other.
Bush says he is protecting our freedoms. What for? We are not allowed to use them anyway.
To 262, learn a thing or to from that biased fat ass michael moore. don’t think so. That fat ass couldn’t teach a kindergarden class to count. As far as Iran goes, those neandrethals fund hezbollah along with Syria which is a terrorist organization, which commits terrorist acts. So why don’t you start learning well know facts before you shot your liberal mouth off. Oh and if we want to be really picky lets go back to 1979 when they attacked our embassy and held our citizens hostage for over a year. You may need a HISTORY LESSON to REFRESH YOUR MEMORY! I don’t see your point…. oh what you just proved how much of a liberal ” I don’t have any guts” liberal you are.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:30 amAs far as you go 263, the Chinese can kiss our asses. Those communist bastards don’t have any clue about monetary policy. If you knew anything, you would know that they purposely undervalue their currency so that it takes on less inflation which, means countries in Europe and the U.S. itself and bent over backwards and boned in the ass. Yes, I give China credit for their great manufacturing industry, but when their currency is finally valued right and inflation hits, its going to be a whole other story.
262, Michael Moore is trash. As far as teach me anything, maybe something about cholestral and overeating. Nothing else. Iran has been funding Hezbollah which is a terrorist organization which commits terrorist acts. That in itself is a terrorist act. Also a little history lesson circa 1979 will teach you that the Iranian neandrethals are quite violent and extreme indeed. Remember, they over took our embassy and held the people captive for over a year. The current President of Iran was one of the people that help overthrow it. Don’t believe me, well they have pictures of him there in 1979. Great guy to elect President! You know he his so much better than Bush! haha. I would rather deal with Bush than have that Pshycopath as President. The only difference between Iran and most other terrorist groups is that Iran indirectly connected to acts of terrorism where as hezbollah or al qeada are directly involved and want everyone to know about it. Iran does not want that because they know that they would bombed back to the stone age…. which is really not that far back for them but….. the truth is the Iranians like to see how far they can push and they will just keep pushing until the world has enough. When that happens hopefully, in a twisted formof Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s words,” They will be wiped off the face of the Earth.”
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:47 amWhat world are you people living in? All of this insane nonsense about martial law, the end of our country as we know it – give me a break. I get the feeling that you would welcome martial law and canceled elections just to feel vindicated for your delusional but entertaining predictions.
Take a deep breath and relax – George Bush will leave office just like the many Presidents before him.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:02 amhttp://nwowatcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=115.0
1998 by Claire Wolfe
In 1942, Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, sending more than 110,000 people to relocation camps. Most of the internees were U.S. citizens. They were transported from temperate climates to the wind-wracked deserts of California, Arizona and Wyoming. The property they left behind was legally looted by their neighbors. They were shut within barbed-wire enclosures and bare, tar-paper barracks – all for the crime of having Japanese ancestry.
To this day, there are Americans who defend this internal deportation, saying, “It was for their own good,” or “They weren’t like us. They were loyal to their own kind.” The camps, they say, were necessary.
The question is – Is it about to happen again? Does the U.S. government have plans to round up some other group of citizens and lock them into bitter internment “for the duration” of some future emergency?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:16 amthis thing is just a lie .. nothing of this bullshits really happened .. USA can’t bear another invasion as they are already being screwed in Iraq ..
not to mention how powerful Iranian defenses are ..
so it’s as sipmle as that ..
USA can’t infiltrate Iran !
this Col is just trolling !
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pm[...] And, Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner (Ret.) says that American troops are [...]
September 24th, 2006 at 7:22 pmBout Freakin time. I think we should just drop a Nuke on thier Facilities and say that they had an explosion from with in. MUAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAA
September 25th, 2006 at 11:01 amDamn right!, War and Regime change are coming, but for which regime?
September 25th, 2006 at 5:52 pm[...] This morning, I received an email linking to a Think Progress posting about U.S. military operations in Iran, which I found especially timely given the remarks I had heard at the teach-in. According to retired U.S. Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner, “We’ve been executing military operations inside Iran for at least 18 months… the evidence is overwhelming.” [...]
September 25th, 2006 at 9:14 pm[...] Man, I can’t wait for the sequel. [...]
September 26th, 2006 at 12:44 amA buddy wich I served with in the norweagian military told me they had been doing intel on the iraq irani border since last year. When I asked him what they were shippping out for now he really couldn’t tell me but he said he was going back to the same “region”. Now this guy is FSK, together with the SAS these guys are the first ones to go into enemy territory. Not drawing any conclusions my best bet is that military operations in Iran are limited to intel only. The best strategy in peace is always to prepare for war.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:12 pmIran….can you say Low Yield Battlefield Tactical Nuclear Weapons? ’cause that’s what it will take. Sightings of UFO’s has gone up 5 fold on the Iranian – Iraq border and around Iranian nuclear testing facilities. Can you say Global Hawk / Predator Drones ? It’s comming and God helps us. If Bush strikes, then it needs to be quick, substantial, and disruptive of the Iranian infrastructure.
Of course the other option would be to not hit Iran at all and watch Israel do it anyway.
September 27th, 2006 at 4:46 amIran & Venzuela president are very well respected because of standing up against the Dictator Bush. I am a Lebanese who wishes for peace around the world( Like all lebanese wish)… But we can not keep our mouths shut if some1 is stepping over us… some1 mite step on our necks once or twice, but there comes a time when we have to stand up for ourselves. They have entered afghanistan & iraq. But its enough…its time to stand up for ourselves.
September 27th, 2006 at 1:29 pm& for all of you that think that Iran is producing nuclear weapon to erase Israel, it is not true. Iran can not take such a huge step in the world. I mean its president is one of the smartest president’s in the world. He knows what he is doing.
Our souls & dignity r the most important to us. Even if it will cost blood…..we dont care! we die, but our nation & children & dignity will live on forever!
[...] The most terrifying prospect is that the October surprise will involve an attack on Iran, and all signs indicate the growing possibility. A US armada of war ships, including a nuclear aircraft carrier, is due to arrive off Iran’s coast in the third week of October, and according to retired Air Force colonel Sam Gardiner, the US is already conducting preparatory military operations inside the country. [...]
September 28th, 2006 at 1:46 pmOK, we’ll just wait until Iran has a deliverable nuke, then all of you who are terrified of a war, will have a REAL one on your hands. Are you willing to let Islamic extremists have nuclear weapons, do you really think you can negotiate with such people? Pakistan’s leading nuclear scientist, now under arrest, sold centrifuges to Iran. The ONLY thing a nuclear centrifuge is used for is to make Uranium 238, ie, weapons grade material’.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:11 pmSince when is a retired colonel privvy to war plans. So he taught at the war college, he could have taught “FRENCH CUISINE” FOR ALL WE KNOW. Many officers teach at the war college on a wide range of subjects. Believe me, I am a retired officer, and I am not privvy to top secret war plans, or anything else. When you retire, your clearance retires with you, and no one is gonna tell you anything and jeopardize their clearance.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:14 pmLet’s see if you people publish truth, or just scare the hell out of everybody.
We need to tell all the Republican Congressmen and Neocons that Iran is full of 16 year old boys and then they will not attack Iran! Then there will just be a hell of a lot of email and junkets to Iran by our nations leaders! Love conquers all!
September 30th, 2006 at 11:26 amThe middle east deffinatlly needs to be cleaned up and the finatics on both sides gottin rid of but now is not the time. The US needs to get stronger and not move so fast into a nother war we need to move one step at a time. The world needs to grow up. In this day we are all so much closer then we all think one action someone in the world effects everyone. So who cairs what religion or nationality you are as long as your are not hurting anyone do what you will is what I say. I don’t care if the person living next to me is something I am not or does something I don’t beleave if they are not hurting me it is not any concern of mine. We are all humans and thats all that really matters.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:25 amBush & Co. are heading to political & Military defeat and they intend in taking down the Great American Nation & Society down with them . We HAVE TO STOP THEM NOW NOT LATTER.
bISCHARA
October 5th, 2006 at 12:13 pm“The US needs to get stronger …”
You are so naive. This country could fight a multi-front war against the entire world and win. Most of it could be done without putting a boot on the ground and without nuclear weapons. You have no idea how much military might this country would be capable of projecting in an all out war.
October 6th, 2006 at 9:25 pmI pray that God would help us BLOW them all away and anyone else who does not like our President and his administration. Your ither with US or THEM… choose a side!
October 8th, 2006 at 5:22 pmLOL Bob Woodward apparently needs help selling his book.
October 11th, 2006 at 11:05 am[...] Ok, so let me get this straight…. Bush invades Iraq, even though they had no nuclear weapons. Bush may be considering an attack on Iran because they are developing nuclear technology. North Korea has nuclear weapons and they’re planning to test them, yet Bush wants to continue with diplomatic talks to convince Pyongyang to give up those weapons. [...]
October 12th, 2006 at 2:51 amThis type of news is entirely scripted for hypnotic suggestion. It is not news; it is the titalation of “special knowledge.”
Doesn’t the interviewer seem to you like he has a lot of understanding of war policy for someone whose lips will never utter the words, “911 is an inside job.”
NWO lets you the viewer know their plans so that they make sense and it must happen because you heard it was happening.
It is nothing less than the shaping of awareness.
October 26th, 2006 at 1:45 amAlso, I really want to bring to viewer’s attention, the interviewer’s use of the word ,”they” to describe Iranian people as if to suggest that “they” cannot be trusted.
It is about time we raise our internal bars as to who we give the authority to discuss such matters with sanity and free from corporate agenda.
October 26th, 2006 at 1:48 amApparently, the United States is contemplating a bombing mission in Iran before the elections in November. The focus of the bombing will most likely be Iran’s nuclear facilities. Certainly, the Republican position would be galvanized by such an opperation, but the political fallout in the region would hardly be worth a Republican victory. Regardless of which party controls the House or the Senate, it is a bad idea to aggravate this particular hornet’s nest without considering all possible implications. Some things should not be used for short-term political gain. Ever.
October 28th, 2006 at 8:16 pmDiplomacy can often be a shove the problem under the carpet tactic and hope it resolves itself. These muslim nations have clear goals to dominate and destroy all those who appose their fundamentalist ways. The only thing stopping them from overthrowing the lebanese government, building nuclear weapons, wiping out israel is fear israel and America will bite back hard. They are so obsessed with the fundamentalist views the only thing they understand is fear of retaliation. So thak God we have an American president with the balls to do what pencil pushing all talk and no action councils never do. Ask a muslim fundametalist who the last person he would vote for to be the american president. His answer should be your vote. He knows any other president would be to scared of ignorant youth and hippies of America screaming warmongerer without realising what we are dealing with.
November 2nd, 2006 at 6:18 amHow soon you all forget: Bill Clinton signed a large portion of our military over to the UN during his term. We are not fighting war in Iraq for America and Bush knows this. He is feeble in his attempt to give a reason why were in Iraq because he can’t divulge why 911 happened or why we went to war. The truth is that you can’t implement a world government while rogue nations are on the loose. Hence we needed to bring Iraq under control. Sadam Hussein is silly putty for the US but with the regional violence in Iraq, the UN couldn’t afford to risk the instability in the region. I believe there are 2 countries vying for the police arm of the World Federation of Earth and they are the US and Russia. My guess is that Russia is the nation to look out for. The US is probably more interested in isolating Russia than bringing democracy to iraq. Come to think about it: we’re not even a democracy and sure as hell don’t want to be one. we are a constitutional republic. What these neocons fail to realize is that on 911(whether they made 911 happen or not) they breached the contract(constitution) by not providing for a strong national defense. Because the contract was breached it has become null and void. What we all need to do is to study our individual state constitutions and look at the legality of a declaration of martial law(by the District of Columbia) on your own state as your state constitution has more power than the US Constitution as the US Constitution was established for only a few purposes; to provide for a strong national defense, to impose duties and levies, to mediate disagreements between the individual states, and to maintain civil order. In all instances the state constitution takes precedent over the US Constitution in matters of civil order, state law, et al. The US Constitutional structure of government is over the District of Columbia not the individual states. We need to fire the corporation in charge and start to reorganize our leadership
November 3rd, 2006 at 10:53 pmI’m 67 years old and teaching English in China. After the Cuban missile crisis (when i saw aircraft loaded with H bombs at the takeoff end of a SAC base runway in england) I got out of the military (after 8 years service) as a CO. If this shit actually happens, and it looks like it might, I think I’ll stay in China. They are many things, but they are not hypocrites.
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December 8th, 2006 at 3:55 amPopulation of Iraq 26 million
Population of Iran 70 million
Population of Afganistan 30million
Population of the Unites States 300million
Can you say Iran (moreover fanatical Islam) has made a BIG mistake? The USA is the proverbial hornets nest here. We’re pretty stirred up too. Whether you like the war or not we’re all stirred up. (Personally, I dont know how anyone could LIKE war).
The US and its NATO allies has got Iran, Iraq and Afganistan out gunned and out manned at least 2:1. I pray for peace soon. We should ALWAYS pray for peace. But G-d has blessed us with might and if nessecary we should use this might to secure peace. One world under the Kindgdom of G-d. Thats the vision of peace. No human leadership (therfore no human supression) and absolute tranquility under the Rule of G-d.
But lets be real. We’re far from a world full of Light. Even G-d knows theres a point (a very low point) in which man has to engage in war. We’re partners with the Almighty in securing the World to Come. Do you want a fundemental Islamic world to come? It’s a world still ruled by man. A world supressed by man. Its not any better than what we have (I suspect it would be worse).
As it says in Ecclesiastes Chapter 3:
“There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens.
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to uproot the plant.
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to tear down, and a time to build.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance.
A time to scatter stones, and a time to gather them; a time to embrace, and a time to be far from embraces.
A time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away.
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to be silent, and a time to speak.
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
What advantage has the worker from his toil?
I have considered the task which G-d has appointed for men to be busied about. “
Our Universal Father has asked us (Judeo-Christains, Muslims and pagans) to meet this conflict out here on earth. As the Book says, the time is set under heaven.
I pray: Heavenly Father render Your judgement through our hands swiftly and mercifully. May Your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. May all the Righteous merit the days of peace, the Coming of the Messiah and Life in the World to Come. May those preoccupied with earthly gain and human suppression return to dust. May all corruption and political deviance be smited. Protect our families, our Nation and our soldiers. May your Name be Blessed by the Righteous on Earth. Amen.
I’m not blaming anyone. War is Hell. There’s no explaning the will of G-d since our free choice (and the choices of Islamic extremists) fulfills G-d’s will, whether we humanly like the outcome, or not.
May Peace be with you all.
January 23rd, 2007 at 2:40 pm[...] office, and from retired Colonel Sam Gardiner in September 2006 that Bush has already begun covert operations inside Iran, the mainstream media have remained indifferent to the idea until recently. Perhaps [...]
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