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	<title>Comments on: Gore Calls For Immediate Freeze on C02 Emissions, Elimination of Payroll Taxes</title>
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		<title>By: Homer+Simpson</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-876228</link>
		<dc:creator>Homer+Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope ALGORE runs in 2008... To get some of the lard off his big ass!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope ALGORE runs in 2008&#8230; To get some of the lard off his big ass!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=876228', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-858744</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been NO conclusive proof that humans have caused global warming.  The activities of the sun, or the lack of, among other NATURAL causes affect the climate.  Global warming is a scietific issue, not a political one, but the Democrats have made it a political issue. But, some people are so easily brainwashed.  Why is it, one doesn&#039;t hear from politicians the natural causes of global warming?  There are many natural causes.  Do some research and get FACTS instead of listening to these DINGBAT politicians.
Kathy&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been NO conclusive proof that humans have caused global warming.  The activities of the sun, or the lack of, among other NATURAL causes affect the climate.  Global warming is a scietific issue, not a political one, but the Democrats have made it a political issue. But, some people are so easily brainwashed.  Why is it, one doesn&#8217;t hear from politicians the natural causes of global warming?  There are many natural causes.  Do some research and get FACTS instead of listening to these DINGBAT politicians.<br />
Kathy<strong></strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=858744', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-854460</link>
		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposal is a sure way to get industry and jobs to move offshore to escape pollution taxes. Of course we need more money to take care of the unemployed as a result of this proposal. Way to go Al thinking out of the box, way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposal is a sure way to get industry and jobs to move offshore to escape pollution taxes. Of course we need more money to take care of the unemployed as a result of this proposal. Way to go Al thinking out of the box, way out.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=854460', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Happy+Guy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-853683</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy+Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fogot about the &quot;Invented the Internet&quot; comment.  Everytime I am reminded about it I realize the people who still voted for him brought us close to having a lunatic in office.  I cannot image what trouble we would be in if he was in office for 9/11.  

And some of the moon-bats would vote for him again.  Please, Please, Please make him the DNC nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fogot about the &#8220;Invented the Internet&#8221; comment.  Everytime I am reminded about it I realize the people who still voted for him brought us close to having a lunatic in office.  I cannot image what trouble we would be in if he was in office for 9/11.  </p>
<p>And some of the moon-bats would vote for him again.  Please, Please, Please make him the DNC nomination.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=853683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: redblooded</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-852782</link>
		<dc:creator>redblooded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore has got  to be kidding! Another one of his blurbed out pipe dreams that he decided the rest of the world should hear... I&#039;m embarassed that he claims he&#039;s a Democrat! Boy, since when did the man who &quot;invented the internet&quot; come up with such short term ideas? If the Democratic party nominates this idiot, they will have completely lose their image, their respect in Washington, and most of their educated voters. Go for the Green, Gore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore has got  to be kidding! Another one of his blurbed out pipe dreams that he decided the rest of the world should hear&#8230; I&#8217;m embarassed that he claims he&#8217;s a Democrat! Boy, since when did the man who &#8220;invented the internet&#8221; come up with such short term ideas? If the Democratic party nominates this idiot, they will have completely lose their image, their respect in Washington, and most of their educated voters. Go for the Green, Gore!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=852782', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: snickers</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-847537</link>
		<dc:creator>snickers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Al Gore, and I&#039;d vote for him (again), but I&#039;m not so sure about this proposal.  It sounds a bit oversimplified.  Further, I personally don&#039;t mind paying taxes at all...if everyone is paying them, and the tax money is used well.  It drives me nuts that these millionaires pay next to nothing in taxes, while middle-class families give the government thousands of dollars every years...and then we send that money over to fight in Iraq or to (over)pay certain companies to &quot;rebuild&quot; Iraq (which has clearly been very successful).  I&#039;d personally favor a flat tax that you can&#039;t get out of - everyone (all businesses and individuals) has to put in 10% of their income (or whatever would make the revenue work out), and that&#039;s it.  No deductions, no hiding your money in other property, no exemptions.  

I&#039;m happy to pay my taxes if it means my kids get to go to good schools and our country is safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Al Gore, and I&#8217;d vote for him (again), but I&#8217;m not so sure about this proposal.  It sounds a bit oversimplified.  Further, I personally don&#8217;t mind paying taxes at all&#8230;if everyone is paying them, and the tax money is used well.  It drives me nuts that these millionaires pay next to nothing in taxes, while middle-class families give the government thousands of dollars every years&#8230;and then we send that money over to fight in Iraq or to (over)pay certain companies to &#8220;rebuild&#8221; Iraq (which has clearly been very successful).  I&#8217;d personally favor a flat tax that you can&#8217;t get out of &#8211; everyone (all businesses and individuals) has to put in 10% of their income (or whatever would make the revenue work out), and that&#8217;s it.  No deductions, no hiding your money in other property, no exemptions.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to pay my taxes if it means my kids get to go to good schools and our country is safe.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=847537', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NastyDiaper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-846309</link>
		<dc:creator>NastyDiaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay Mr. Gore!  Tax consumption, not production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay Mr. Gore!  Tax consumption, not production.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=846309', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Liberal+Shmiberal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-846075</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal+Shmiberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a comment for the many who have questioned how SS and Medicare would be funded if we replace payroll taxes (FICA) as Gore has proposed in his outstanding speech.

Since 1986, FICA has been hijacked to drain $1.8 trillion from working people (and $400M more every day) above and beyond what is needed to pay for SS and Medicare.  This money is stolen.  That is, it is placed in a &#039;trust fund&#039; that &#039;loans&#039; money to the rest of the government.  But since the borrowing is not counted as part of the deficit, the debt is not acknowledged.  Thus the arrangement is indistinguishable from a regressive income tax that shifts another 25-30% of the general fund expenses (e.g., Iraq, interest payments) off of wealth taxes and onto wage taxes.

Thus the $1.8 trillion trust fund is only a moral obligation, but the obligation is not recognized or accepted by those with sufficient wealth to make good on it.  Gore tried to crystallize political support for the trust fund with his &#039;lockbox&#039;, but that did not take.
We have no way to pay for boomer SS and Medicare needs, except general operating revenues (e.g., carbon tax revenues).   

The trust fund system, while rational in an ideal world, is not politically practical in our country today.   I would rather eliminate the FICA trust fund system than see it abused to steal $400M per day from working people.  Moynihan, one of the architects of the trust fund system, came to the same conclusion in the late 1990s: that Greenspan and his ilk had abused his idealism and duped him into accepting a regressive tax system in this country, disguised as a social program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment for the many who have questioned how SS and Medicare would be funded if we replace payroll taxes (FICA) as Gore has proposed in his outstanding speech.</p>
<p>Since 1986, FICA has been hijacked to drain $1.8 trillion from working people (and $400M more every day) above and beyond what is needed to pay for SS and Medicare.  This money is stolen.  That is, it is placed in a &#8216;trust fund&#8217; that &#8216;loans&#8217; money to the rest of the government.  But since the borrowing is not counted as part of the deficit, the debt is not acknowledged.  Thus the arrangement is indistinguishable from a regressive income tax that shifts another 25-30% of the general fund expenses (e.g., Iraq, interest payments) off of wealth taxes and onto wage taxes.</p>
<p>Thus the $1.8 trillion trust fund is only a moral obligation, but the obligation is not recognized or accepted by those with sufficient wealth to make good on it.  Gore tried to crystallize political support for the trust fund with his &#8216;lockbox&#8217;, but that did not take.<br />
We have no way to pay for boomer SS and Medicare needs, except general operating revenues (e.g., carbon tax revenues).   </p>
<p>The trust fund system, while rational in an ideal world, is not politically practical in our country today.   I would rather eliminate the FICA trust fund system than see it abused to steal $400M per day from working people.  Moynihan, one of the architects of the trust fund system, came to the same conclusion in the late 1990s: that Greenspan and his ilk had abused his idealism and duped him into accepting a regressive tax system in this country, disguised as a social program.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=846075', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Joad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-844130</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Joad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Dem&#039;s don&#039;t select this guy as their nominee for 2008, they deserve to lose!  No one else in the field comes close to his gravitas which gives him a built-in ability to withstand much of the mud that the GOP and their accomplices in the right-wing media will be launching at whoever is the Dem&#039;s nominee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Dem&#8217;s don&#8217;t select this guy as their nominee for 2008, they deserve to lose!  No one else in the field comes close to his gravitas which gives him a built-in ability to withstand much of the mud that the GOP and their accomplices in the right-wing media will be launching at whoever is the Dem&#8217;s nominee!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=844130', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Seth II</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-842523</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, all taxes levied against producers are ultimately paid by the end users.  I know many of you think it&#039;s an evil capitalist plot to avoid taxes, but the truth is that it doesn&#039;t work any other way.  The highest generators of CO2 are automobiles and electricity production, IIRC.  You&#039;re very thrilled that a certain segment of society would be relieved of the payroll tax burden.  Unfortunately, this same segment would probably be the one most impacted, as a percentage of their income, when paying for gas or electricity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, all taxes levied against producers are ultimately paid by the end users.  I know many of you think it&#8217;s an evil capitalist plot to avoid taxes, but the truth is that it doesn&#8217;t work any other way.  The highest generators of CO2 are automobiles and electricity production, IIRC.  You&#8217;re very thrilled that a certain segment of society would be relieved of the payroll tax burden.  Unfortunately, this same segment would probably be the one most impacted, as a percentage of their income, when paying for gas or electricity.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=842523', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Seth II</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-842338</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then if tax rates are going to increase to account for decreases in pollution (and ensure at least revenue neutrality), what is the incentive for decreasing pollution in the long term?  If everybody just said, &quot;screw it, we&#039;ll just continue to pay the same taxes for the same pollution,&quot; then pollution wouldn&#039;t decrease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then if tax rates are going to increase to account for decreases in pollution (and ensure at least revenue neutrality), what is the incentive for decreasing pollution in the long term?  If everybody just said, &#8220;screw it, we&#8217;ll just continue to pay the same taxes for the same pollution,&#8221; then pollution wouldn&#8217;t decrease.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=842338', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-842283</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple logic. 
Comment by Don McCallum â€” September 19, 2006 @ 5:17 pm


Not really.  You actually think there ever would be &#039;no pollution&#039;?  Never taken chemistry have you?

Besides, the brilliant part of being a progressive is that if you see that pollution has decreased, and therefore your revenues, then you once again review and amend your policy...  Welcome to real logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple logic.<br />
Comment by Don McCallum â€” September 19, 2006 @ 5:17 pm</p>
<p>Not really.  You actually think there ever would be &#8216;no pollution&#8217;?  Never taken chemistry have you?</p>
<p>Besides, the brilliant part of being a progressive is that if you see that pollution has decreased, and therefore your revenues, then you once again review and amend your policy&#8230;  Welcome to real logic.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=842283', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Don McCallum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don McCallum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, if this shift of taxation from production to pollution actually suceeded in accomplishing its objective then you would have no pollution and &lt;em&gt;no tax revenues&lt;/em&gt;. The only persons who could embrace this plan would do so knowing from the start that it is doomed to fail. Simple logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if this shift of taxation from production to pollution actually suceeded in accomplishing its objective then you would have no pollution and <em>no tax revenues</em>. The only persons who could embrace this plan would do so knowing from the start that it is doomed to fail. Simple logic.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=842176', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unvelievable - I love the comment about not knowing REALITY - pot meet kettle. 
Comment by unbelievable tool â€” September 18, 2006 @ 8:21 pm


.
Wow...  did you think that up all by yourself?  Einstein, aside from the cliche and typos, you still have NOTHING.

I bet you&#039;re just 4 letters away from getting banned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unvelievable &#8211; I love the comment about not knowing REALITY &#8211; pot meet kettle.<br />
Comment by unbelievable tool â€” September 18, 2006 @ 8:21 pm</p>
<p>.<br />
Wow&#8230;  did you think that up all by yourself?  Einstein, aside from the cliche and typos, you still have NOTHING.</p>
<p>I bet you&#8217;re just 4 letters away from getting banned&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=841972', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: worse than hitler &#187; al gore 2.0 rules</title>
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		<dc:creator>worse than hitler &#187; al gore 2.0 rules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In his latest major speech, Gore hit two of my pet issues squarely on the nose: domestic payroll taxes and emissions taxes.Â Â  This man should be president.    &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In his latest major speech, Gore hit two of my pet issues squarely on the nose: domestic payroll taxes and emissions taxes.Â Â  This man should be president.    &nbsp; [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=841668', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: at Quinta do SargaÃ§al</title>
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		<dc:creator>at Quinta do SargaÃ§al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Congelar as emissÃµes de CO2, proposta de Al Gore na NYU A partir daÃ­ comeÃ§ar a reduzir. Ler o discurso completo. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Congelar as emissÃµes de CO2, proposta de Al Gore na NYU A partir daÃ­ comeÃ§ar a reduzir. Ler o discurso completo. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=841660', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Iconoclast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gore Calls For Immediate Freeze on C02 Emissions, End of Payroll Taxes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconoclast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gore Calls For Immediate Freeze on C02 Emissions, End of Payroll Taxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Seth II</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-4/#comment-841181</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unholy Moses - 164:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m actually with you on post post #163. Quite frankly, I think the govâ€™t is entirely too involved in telling folks how to live their lives.

For example, if someone wants to sit at home and spend their days taking bong hits or injecting meth, thatâ€™s their choice. The govâ€™t should only step in when that person, say, gets behind the wheel of a car.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I haven&#039;t fully committed to drug legalization, but I&#039;m definitely leaning that direction in the same way you state.  However, by the same token of that person making their choice, I believe the consequences are their responsibility.  I certainly don&#039;t advocate letting such a druggie starve to death or die of an OD when a simple adrenaline stab to the heart (!!!) might save him.  But I cannot justify having the government provide ANY comforts because he chooses not to attain them for himself.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As a smoker, I have zero issues with ordinances that tell me where I can or cannot smoke. Why? Because my rights end where someone elseâ€™s begins.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even as a non-smoker I was a little leery of my town&#039;s anti-smoking ordinance.  I definitely believe my rights end where another&#039;s begins, but I felt that such an ordinance was denying proprietors their right to allow otherwise legal activities in their establishment.  Like drug laws, I&#039;m not incredibly passionate about smoking ordinances (probably because I personally benefit from them), but am still a little uneasy about the higher implications regarding personal rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unholy Moses &#8211; 164:</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m actually with you on post post #163. Quite frankly, I think the govâ€™t is entirely too involved in telling folks how to live their lives.</p>
<p>For example, if someone wants to sit at home and spend their days taking bong hits or injecting meth, thatâ€™s their choice. The govâ€™t should only step in when that person, say, gets behind the wheel of a car.</p></blockquote>
<p>I haven&#8217;t fully committed to drug legalization, but I&#8217;m definitely leaning that direction in the same way you state.  However, by the same token of that person making their choice, I believe the consequences are their responsibility.  I certainly don&#8217;t advocate letting such a druggie starve to death or die of an OD when a simple adrenaline stab to the heart (!!!) might save him.  But I cannot justify having the government provide ANY comforts because he chooses not to attain them for himself.</p>
<blockquote><p>As a smoker, I have zero issues with ordinances that tell me where I can or cannot smoke. Why? Because my rights end where someone elseâ€™s begins.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even as a non-smoker I was a little leery of my town&#8217;s anti-smoking ordinance.  I definitely believe my rights end where another&#8217;s begins, but I felt that such an ordinance was denying proprietors their right to allow otherwise legal activities in their establishment.  Like drug laws, I&#8217;m not incredibly passionate about smoking ordinances (probably because I personally benefit from them), but am still a little uneasy about the higher implications regarding personal rights.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=841181', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Seth II</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-3/#comment-841120</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unholy Moses - #161

&lt;blockquote&gt;
...
What I find truly depressing is that our country has always been ran by individuals bent on furthering their own gains (and most of them have been rich white males) rather than looking out for the rest of us. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, but for the most part thatâ€™s been the case.

But the current lack of compromise collaboration and competence is ruining this country. Add in a lack of personal accountability, massive corruption, politicians who see winning as the one and only goal, and leadership that demands total loyalty above all else, and itâ€™s no wonder that weâ€™re heading down the road to utter disaster.
...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is pretty much exactly why libertarians prefer small government.  We don&#039;t trust human nature enough to give a small group of humans enough power to ruin our lives in so many ways.  Pretty much all humans are corruptable.  We can&#039;t expect an entire Congress of Ghandis to keep our best interests in mind.

Even a libertarian model government has powers that can harm its people (military, currency, etc.), but those are powers that simply wouldn&#039;t exist if pushed to the individual level.  If each person were individually responsible for the defense of the country, or if each family (or even town) had their own currency, society couldn&#039;t function at all.  There would probably be enough bickering about those few government powers to keep a Congress busy at least half-time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unholy Moses &#8211; #161</p>
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What I find truly depressing is that our country has always been ran by individuals bent on furthering their own gains (and most of them have been rich white males) rather than looking out for the rest of us. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, but for the most part thatâ€™s been the case.</p>
<p>But the current lack of compromise collaboration and competence is ruining this country. Add in a lack of personal accountability, massive corruption, politicians who see winning as the one and only goal, and leadership that demands total loyalty above all else, and itâ€™s no wonder that weâ€™re heading down the road to utter disaster.<br />
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<p>This is pretty much exactly why libertarians prefer small government.  We don&#8217;t trust human nature enough to give a small group of humans enough power to ruin our lives in so many ways.  Pretty much all humans are corruptable.  We can&#8217;t expect an entire Congress of Ghandis to keep our best interests in mind.</p>
<p>Even a libertarian model government has powers that can harm its people (military, currency, etc.), but those are powers that simply wouldn&#8217;t exist if pushed to the individual level.  If each person were individually responsible for the defense of the country, or if each family (or even town) had their own currency, society couldn&#8217;t function at all.  There would probably be enough bickering about those few government powers to keep a Congress busy at least half-time.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=841120', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave R</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gore-speech/comment-page-3/#comment-841121</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Eliminate the Payroll Tax.

Why is this even in question?
Why isn&#039;t it part of the Democrat Agenda?

There is no better way to &lt;strong&gt;Lower Taxes for the Poor&lt;/strong&gt;.

Can ANYONE explain why the Democrats don&#039;t push for this???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Eliminate the Payroll Tax.</p>
<p>Why is this even in question?<br />
Why isn&#8217;t it part of the Democrat Agenda?</p>
<p>There is no better way to <strong>Lower Taxes for the Poor</strong>.</p>
<p>Can ANYONE explain why the Democrats don&#8217;t push for this???<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=841121', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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