Roll Call executive editor and Fox News host Mort Kondrake included this tidbit in his most recent syndicated column:
In a controversial move within the administration, [Undersecretary of State Karen] Hughes and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice seem to have persuaded Bush — temporarily, at least — to drop the label “Islamic fascism” from his speeches; diplomats say that Muslims hear it as an attack on their religion, thereby validating the extremists’ false charge that the United States is at war with Islam.
The move is a blow to conservatives, who celebrated last month when President Bush used the term several times in his speeches on terrorism. The phrase is a favorite of right-wing commentators like Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity; the AP called it “the new buzzword” for conservatives “in an election season dominated by an unpopular war in Iraq.”
Critics of the phrase, including numerous Muslim-American groups and Sens. Russ Feingold (D-WI) and former Marine Army Ranger Jack Reed (D-RI), were lambasted by the right. The Weekly Standard Stephen Schwartz said people who took offense to the term were mere “primitive Muslims.”
Will Rice and Hughes get the same treatment?
Bush should just start doing the exact opposite of what he thinks he should do. I mean, he is batting 1000% when it comes to making the wrong decisions…
September 19th, 2006 at 5:13 pmAnd Charles Johnson has grabbed a bottle of mouthwash and locked himself in his mother’s basement for a long black sulk. It’s a shame–he’d already gotten to work getting other LGF phrases like ‘Lizardoid Minions’ and ‘dhimmicrats’ into Bush’s speeches.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:22 pmSo let me get this straight you just finished calling an opponent horrible names for months, and because you NOW decide that was a bad idea and you’re going to stop, you expect the opponent to forgive and forget? The Muslims know GW is a serious threat to their way of life and their religion. They aren’t ever going to forget the insults, the murders, the rapes, the bombings, and the man who caused them.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:22 pmI accept that it may be unfair to question the President’s intellect yet at the same time I find it necessary to do so. At the risk of angering my religious friends and readers by association, I have to conclude that this President is prone to adopting beliefs that are fully devoid of substantive evidence or reasoned analysis. The religious dogma that allows some to conclude that the scientific data supporting the theory of evolution is flawed and unconvincing is similar to the approach this President takes with regard to the execution of his duties and the administration of our laws and our constitution.
When the President responded that he consulted a “higher father” when asked if he discussed policy issues with his father, he clearly defined how he conducts himself and how easily he can discount the rational observations of credible others in favor of religious ideology and inferred divine inspiration. Sadly, this rhetoric is identical to that espoused by terrorists like Osama bin Laden or fanatical leaders like Mahmud Ahmadinejad of Iran…rhetoric that purports to be guided by God or Allah and that is not subject to opposition because it is presumed to be cloaked in the absolute righteousness of its origin.
When men of this ilk are allowed to hold power, they are compelled to characterize all opposition as evil and therefore feel they are not only fully justified to extinguish the enemy…they believe it is their duty and their calling…a premise that I would assert closely approximates insanity. The difference between leaders of this persuasion and other notorious lunatics like Jim Jones or David Koresh or Warren Jeffs is simply the degree and the size of the sphere of influence that they have been able to obtain. Nonetheless, they are not the sacred vessels of “truth” they purport to be.
Read more here:
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September 19th, 2006 at 5:23 pmWonder if Condi and the Hughes-inator will still be around when Cheney finds out that they went behind his back to change the RAM in Cheney’s sockpuppet Georgie? This doesn’t seem to track with the Cheney view of the world, now does it?
September 19th, 2006 at 5:24 pmnotice a puppet will say anything you tell it to…they better go to rove and cheney to get bush to change something.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:29 pm#6
zippy,
RAM = random access memory
ROM= read only memory
Ram would assume Georgie could make use of the memory
ROM ,he just reads like the sock puppet he is
so it should read
=)
September 19th, 2006 at 5:37 pm“Will Rice and Hughes get the same treatment?”
Yeah, about the same time that the earth goes spinning off its axis and crashes into the sun.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:39 pmIt’s apparent that this illiterate yokel doesn’t even understand what the terms mean!
September 19th, 2006 at 5:39 pm#6
bah,correction to my post,doh!!
zippy,
so it should read
=)
September 19th, 2006 at 5:39 pm#5′; The GOP aren’t called neo-nazis for nothing.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:45 pmDanny boy!
September 19th, 2006 at 5:45 pmSo well put, and right on the mark!
Wow!
Of course, then there’s the fact that Bush has trouble pronouncing it.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmI’m not so sure that BushCo isn’t at war with Islam, to some degree at least. Why Bush hasn’t spearheaded a multi-religion, multi-cultural, multi-national conference or the like to have dialogues about relationships between religious groups and make this a world issue with world pressures and solutions? Oh, yeah, “talk softly and carry a big stick” is a Democratic approach, so he has the “tell them to shut up and swing the big stick” approach. Never mind.
Can we now start eliminating Bush from Bush’s speeches?
September 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmYes, these people clearly do not think about the words they choose or have any idea of the power of language; they are as subtle as a Bourbon Street whore at the Church garden party. Some of the more ludicrous sloganeering:
Mission Accomplished
September 19th, 2006 at 5:56 pmNazi appeasers
Axis of Evil (I still cannot stop rolling my eyes at that one)
Cut and Run
Stay the Course
With us or with the terrorists (so, now, exactly where is Pakistan these days?)
War on Terror (unwinnable by its very terms)
As the “decider” Bush believes he has made only good decisions. A man who cannot even consider that he has made errors is dangerous. He is beyond hope; how can he ever change, how will he ever develop new thinking? He keeps his own counsel in that he listens only to those who reflect his own views - a man like that is not a leader. His overconfidence will lead people into the abyss. A leader listens to all the ideas, he listens to his detractors, his mind is not closed.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:57 pmSubmitting that Rice and Hughes might be correct on this issue is his limit.
I would rather be perceived by the righties as a “primitive muslim” than a neantherthal of a neocon anyday.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:57 pmDaniel DiRito — that’s a great post.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:58 pmWhat does Harriet Meires think?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:03 pmMain Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: ‘fa-”shi-z&m also ‘fa-”si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Would somebody explain how terrorists fit this definition?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:04 pmWill Rice and Hughes get the same treatment?
Or Bush?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:07 pmGood post, Daniel (#5)
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Wasn’t Karen Hughes supposed to be working on our image in the Muslim world? She got her job because she was one of the few people on the planet that Bush trusted. Where the hell was she when Bush started using that term so frequently? Why wasn’t she on the phone to him that day telling him to knock it off, it’s only making matters worse? Are there any political appointees in this administration who do their jobs well? Any at all?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:09 pmCondi has to tell Bush when to go to the bathroom so it’s no wonder that she has to tell him to stop using potty language.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:29 pmI think you folks need to wake up. Why do you all Hate so much? The only thing I see from “progressives” is hate for America and anyone that does not think they way that they do. Almost as bad as the Islamic killers.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:39 pmWayne, perhaps it took her these many weeks to persuade Bush to drop the offensive language.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:48 pm#25 - Kevin - strawman.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:50 pmKevin, thank you for that perfect example of projection.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:51 pmThe only thing I see from “progressives†is hate for America and anyone that does not think they way that they do. Almost as bad as the Islamic killers.
Comment by Kevin
Wow, is that really “the only thing” you see? And how does what you read translate into “hate for America”? There are certainly many among us who hate Bush, I won;t deny that, but it’s because of his mendacious, irreponsible, irrational way he has of doing things that make us dislike hinm so much.
As for the other crap, you know perfectly well we don’t kill those who disagree with us. Nor do we whisk them off to secret prisons out of reach of American law just so we could do things to them you wouldn’t do to a dog. Your beloved president does that. So tell us, Kevin, why do you hate American principles so much?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:51 pmWow, Kev. Replace “progressives” with “conservatives” and your statement almost makes sense. Have a nice day.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:51 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
The American Heritage Dictionary says, fascism is: “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.” I wonder who that describes?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:52 pmfascism is: “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.†I wonder who that describes?
Fascist GOPigs!!
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September 19th, 2006 at 7:00 pmThe only thing I see from “progressives†is hate for America and anyone that does not think they way that they do. Almost as bad as the Islamic killers.
Comment by Kevin
Except that the progressives aren’t selling off your government to cronies [Fascism], and the progressives didn’t start this war [Reich Wing Fascists], and the progressives aren’t corrupt {Ney Delay Abramoff Cunningham] and the progressives don’t hate the constitution or call it a Gottdamn piece of paper.
Sounds to me like the GOP hates America, the World, our Constitution..
September 19th, 2006 at 7:05 pm“Nor do we whisk them off to secret prisons out of reach of American law just so we could do things to them you wouldn’t do to a dog.”
Prove it….
You can’t. Because we don’t. If you get caught by the Islamic killers I’m sure they will treat you well. They wouldn’t cut off your head.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:05 pmMMMM. I remeber Mrs. Clinton and some other Dems voting for the war. I remeber Rep Jefferson with $100 in his ice box. And Conservitives dont hate the Constitution. We just don’t want to change it or use it to wipe our @$$ like the Dems.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:09 pmIf you get caught by the Islamic killers I’m sure they will treat you well. They wouldn’t cut off your head.
Comment by Kevin
They didn’t cut off the FAUX reporters heads…
September 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pmand this progressive website just cut off 1/2 of my post. So much for free speach.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:13 pm#34 - Kevin,
September 19th, 2006 at 7:15 pmW has already admitted to the practice of secret prisons when he moved 14 prisoners to Gitmo from those torture sites last week. You are in dire need of a brain implant!
#34 - Maher Ahar. QED. Now your turn prove your strawman or like it, just dry up and blow away..
September 19th, 2006 at 7:16 pmThey didn’t look worse for ware. Mybe Arosmith isn’t that bad.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:17 pmRepublicans use the Constitution to wipe their ass with every day. Why do you think they always get caught violating it? Why do you think Ashcroft and Gonzales are always trying to work around it instead of within it? If you hate the American system of government so much why do you stay and whine? Just leave. It would be a win/win situation for everyone.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:20 pm#38 - Walt do you mean Kevin disagrees with his president on the war on terra? I heard Cheney say that that aided the terrorists.. Why do you hate America by helping the terrorists, Kevin?
September 19th, 2006 at 7:23 pmBushco needs to be sensitive to followers of Islam and stop using the term Islamic Fascism, since it does make it sound like his Christian Fascism is waging war against Islam. However, at the same time it is a shame that Muslims tend to be intolerant of criticism and irony.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:23 pm[…] Source: Think Progress Posted by Michael Kolanos Filed in Police State […]
September 19th, 2006 at 7:29 pmAs a conservative, I would be glad to see the end of fascism. It has been used by the left for the last 6 years and lost any meaning.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:41 pmBush is a fascist himself, so kinda hard for him not to use that word > lol.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:44 pm#42 - T**3,
September 19th, 2006 at 7:49 pmThose Bushites sure get glib when der W refutes their words.
First of all. I’m not the one whineing. I don’t see the President “working around” anything. He wants to make sure the CIA don’t get linched by Crazy Dems that hate AeroSmith.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:50 pm#42 did you like my strawman Kevin?
#45 Paul, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…. here’s your homework on fascism, Paul - it’s informative and is updated regularly So what was ABC’s broadcast of a blatantly false and misleading history, if not political propaganda by a corporation in support of a sitting government and therefore fascism in it’s purest sense?
September 19th, 2006 at 7:56 pm#45
September 19th, 2006 at 7:58 pmdo you let your dog just pound away on the keyboard, because what you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever. How has the left “used facism for the last six years”? What does that even mean?!
America’s Least Wanted
So what would you call “Islamic fascism.â€
September 19th, 2006 at 8:00 pm#48 ‘working around anything’ - then why did Bush add a signing statement to the McCain torture provision which said that he could ignore it if he wanted to? Why does the administration see the need to redefine torture as that which does not cause organ failure’ as opposed to the Geneva Convention article 3? Open your eyes Kevin, turn off the Fox News..(or the MSNBC or CNN or ABC).
September 19th, 2006 at 8:03 pmTell me what you call torture. What is the “worst” thing they can do to get information from people that only goal in life is to KILL YOU.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:09 pmCheney and the neo-cons will get to him soon enough. If you recall, Colin Powell tempered W’s rhetoric at the beginning of the Iraq fiasco. The hawks soon got him riled up.
Anyhow, is this Condi’s way of saying she’s moderate for the 2008 elections?
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GOOGLE “fascism”. See what it reminds you of- certainly not Islamic radicalism- maybe something a little closer to home……………..
September 19th, 2006 at 8:22 pm#54 - Kevin - did you look up the name Maher Ahar? He might be able to define torture for you. So might John McCain.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:22 pmgeez, when you try to discuss something with a conservative they always lose the point, go off on their own tangent, and totally change the subject. No wonder I’ve learned not to discuss anything with a conservative.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:24 pm“As a conservative, I would be glad to see the end of fascism. It has been used by the left for the last 6 years and lost any meaning. Comment by paulâ€
Wow paul, you’re quite a tool (no offense intended Kevin, you’re an obvious bonehead too:). I see you can’t tell your ‘left’ from your ‘right’ on several levels.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:24 pmBoy, that whole “cut and run” argument from the right is effective. The ol’ dad in law wants to vote for a Dem for Congress, but is afraid of Democrats cutttin and runnin from Iraq. Could someone tell him that we aint gonna cut and run either.
Maybe Pawl could tell him.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:33 pmTell me what you call torture. What is the “worst†thing they can do to get information from people that only goal in life is to KILL YOU.
Comment by Kevin — September 19, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
Let’s see, shove a broom up your ass, tie you in a sleeping bag upside down from the cieling and beat you to death with a baseball bat, electrify your genitals, wipe menstral blood on your face and mouth, tie a rope around your neck handcuff your hands behind your back pass the rope thru the food slot in a metal door and repeatedly pull the rope till your head cracks open on the metal, rope your son in front of you to get you to confess, force you to perform sex acts on another man under threat of having your penis cut off, raping your daughter in front of you then shooting your entire family one at a time, I could go on but you get the idea - Bush’s interogators sure did.
September 19th, 2006 at 8:51 pmrope your son in front of you
Deserves repeating correctly, RAPE YOUR 6-8 year old son in front of you and your wife to get you to confess……
September 19th, 2006 at 9:01 pmClearly, Rice and Hughes are appeasers who are placing our national security in jeopardy.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:10 pmThe use of the term “Islamicfasciam” and the other term flying around lately “Clash of Civilazations” are disturbing. This take us down a very dangerous path that I fear our president has put little thought to. Or, perhaps, he has thought about it and will just continue to begin more wars. It also helps the repugs frame the political debate. It is wrong to be forced to even discuss this baloney. There is no need to set the course for a clash of civilazations, and the only fascist I can see are the corporations of our own country who are in bed with Bush.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:22 pmAnd Conservitives dont hate the Constitution. We just don’t want to change it or use it to wipe our @$$ like the Dems.
Comment by Kevin — September 19, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
Remind me again of which party was behind the flag desecration AMENDMENT and the proposed AMENDMENT banning gay marriage.
What do you think an AMENDMENT is?
September 19th, 2006 at 9:22 pmAnd Conservitives [sic] dont hate the Constitution. We just don’t want to change it or use it to wipe our @$$ like the Dems.
Comment by Kevin — September 19, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
Remind me again of which party was behind the flag desecration AMENDMENT and the proposed AMENDMENT banning gay marriage.
What do you think an AMENDMENT is?
September 19th, 2006 at 9:23 pmTell me what you call torture. What is the “worst†thing they can do to get information from people that only goal in life is to KILL YOU.
Comment by Kevin — September 19, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
My idea of torture is having to make sense out of your lousy grammar.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:25 pmTell me what you call torture. What is the “worst†thing they can do to get information from people that only goal in life is to KILL YOU.
Comment by Kevin — September 19, 2006 @ 8:09 pm Bones in 62 and 63 listed a few however, what is worse they did it to people that did not try or want to kill us! Kevin you are a sick one.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:29 pmAnd Conservitives dont hate the Constitution. We just don’t want to change it or use it to wipe our @$$ like the Dems.
Comment by Kevin — September 19, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
And what party wants to amend the Constitution to; Make English the offical language, Allow prayer in school, Post the 10 Commandments in public places etc,…. Ya Kevin you don’t want to change it do you?
September 19th, 2006 at 9:35 pmAhhh…the sensitivities of progressives are on display once again for all the world to see…..as we burst into raucous laughter. Personally, I think the White House would do well to utilize my favourite term for barbaric Islamic extremists - - Islam-o-WACKS. You have to wonder at the intellectual capacity of a movement which responds to the condemnation of “conversion by the sword” ….with VIOLENCE, threats of execution and the murder of a nursing nun. Pope Benedict was correct in noting the irrational tone which has swept the extremists in the Muslim World.
P. S. to my dear friend JoeFRIEday…..Encouraging imigrant people to learn English is a gift that will allow their futures to be brighter and more successful. But success among minorities isn’t something progs or Dems encourage, is it? “They’re” much easier to control when they need YOU, aren’t they?
September 19th, 2006 at 10:13 pmDear Bones - You neglected to mention your sources for your litany of torture techniques. I am interested where you obtained your information.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:16 pm(_!_)
September 19th, 2006 at 10:22 pmMmmmm…. Too late. We have (America) layer upon layer of idiots running the most powerful nation that has ever been. We are not safe with these dumb dumbs in leadership positions. On top of being such retards they lie to the stupid and ignorant. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We attacked the wrong country. Anyone who supports Bush is a traitor to what America is about.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:23 pmbones,
You know I respect and admire you, but could you stop with the rape scenarios?
September 19th, 2006 at 10:24 pmNo responding to the noted transexual plagiarist MA!!
September 19th, 2006 at 10:28 pmRepublicans rely on fear and ignorance to win elections. Take away fear and ignorance and they have nothing. Now that everyone is familiar with Rove’s dirty tricks Republicans don’t know what to do….so they are going into meltdown.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:49 pmHey! There’s hope for them yet!
September 19th, 2006 at 11:07 pmDear BLiar - You’ve obviously never been to East Los Angeles, the once flourishing San Fernando Valley, San Ysidro or Chula Vista in souther San Diego County. Thank you for your ONE example. Thank you also for proving the stupidity of anecdotal “argument”. Case closed….
But of course I don’t expect you to discuss the argument that immigrants who master the English language are MUCH more successful. Apparently, poor immigrants are a boon to the prog movement…..talk about a plantation mentality… Shame on you!!!
September 19th, 2006 at 11:10 pmMaybe Rice and Hughes can contact John Hagee Ministries and have them stop using the term too. This last Saturday night I made the mistake of falling asleep with the t.v. on. I woke up Sunday with some crazy man yelling from the t.v. that “if you are NOT an islamo fascist then buy my video Obsession.” No kidding! I looked up at the t.v. and he was waving the bible then showed photos of middle eastern people with head wraps. Then he ended the commercial with “Let’s take America back!” I didn’t know who he was so I took a visit to the website that was on the t.v. ad. http://www.jhm.org I’m shocked! These people are evil!
September 19th, 2006 at 11:28 pmAw darn it, we pretty much had Mighty Aphrodite-free threads for about a week there - back from Aruba so soon?
September 19th, 2006 at 11:47 pmThere goes the neighborhood.
I know, she rants and rants and rants…accusing people of not answering her. Would you answer you, m+s? Maybe these people have logged off. Not everyone is a ranting maniac.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:59 pmSometimes I’m a maniac, but I never rant. :P
September 20th, 2006 at 12:12 amDefinition of cowardess - deeming the “bad guys” so dangerous that you feel you need to torture them for the truth (of course you get only what you want to hear), and sending them somewhere esle to do the dirty deed. I.e. Not even having the balls to do your own interrogation!
Time for the Administration to own up. If all of these suspects are soooooo dangerous, let’s have it all out in the open. Changes to the Constitution etc., on the up and up.
None of this back alley BS. Damned cowards can’t even present what they want to do, because they know they’ll be slammed out of office.
We no longer have any moral high ground. It is pure narssicism (protect your own). Our govenrment has become our worst enemy - terrorists and fascists the lot of them!
September 20th, 2006 at 12:19 amMA - squacks like a seagull and defecates. Just like a Seagull, she is of no consequence…just steals a sandwich every once in a while.
September 20th, 2006 at 12:22 amRice and Hughes, swiftboated by their own ultra Neocon former best buddies.
September 20th, 2006 at 12:25 amCannibals! Leg O’ Hughes with a side of Rice, anyone?
Sounds like MA came back from vacation without getting laid.
September 20th, 2006 at 12:29 amAll that pent up sexual energy just drips from her posts!
RUSerious - A vaca would have been great!!!! But winning a case is even BETTER!!!!!! (And having a client who is actually innocent is the GREATEST!!!!!)
Good night……
September 20th, 2006 at 12:54 amThis is Rice’s sole diplomatic success.
September 20th, 2006 at 1:17 amThe Bush Administration just still doesn’t get it. No matter how you spin it, no matter how you shape it, no matter how you wrap it, they just suck! How in the hell can you hope to have foreign policy when you have absolutely no foreign policy?!
It doesn’t matter how much of a right wing fanatical follower you are, you cannot possibly, with any shred of intelligence, follow this boob into the abyss. I mean, it’s so bad that I ‘d rather have Mighty Aphrodummy as president than George Bush. Following blindly anything is evil at it’s best! Give up on this loser now before this country is lost forever!
September 20th, 2006 at 1:49 amOne of the greatest orators of our time
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September 20th, 2006 at 3:02 amOh, and I should throw in:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/ 05/ 22/ international/ asia/ 22abuse.html?ex=1274414400&en=35951e72c65a2185&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ eandp/ news/ article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001218842
http://www.newyorker.com/ fact/ content/ articles/ 051114fa_fact
September 20th, 2006 at 6:02 amHrmm,
They are Muslims that are terrorists and pitch the idea of Facism. Seems like calling it Islamic Fascism would be the proper term. Why our leaders can’t talk about the fact that the terrorists are in fact Muslims that like Fascism as an Ideal is beyond me. It is also scary that they are not able to confront this dead on and have to side step it.
And lastly, if any Muslim that isn’t for these extremists gets offended by the term, they need some serious help. It is obvious to all of us that we are not targeting Muslims because they are Muslim. We are targeting extremists that happen to all be Muslim. Big difference.
I guess either way, if Bush drops the term FINE. I just hope that he keeps aggressively going after and killing every single one of the terrorists.
September 20th, 2006 at 8:53 amFrom the Merriam-Webster website:
Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: ‘fa-”shi-z&m also ‘fa-”si-
Function: noun
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Let’s see, the terrorists are trying to forcibly suppress opposition. So does the Bush Administration.
The terrorists are not exaulting “nation above the individual” nor are they exaulting “race above the individual”. Where have we heard that we have to give up our individual liberties in order to secure our nation? Hmmm…
“Centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader.”
The terrorists come from multiple nations and are supporting no single nation above any other, they only fight for their version of Islam over any other religion.
Pres. Bush governs in an autocratic fashion and “is the decider” about everything. Hmmm….
(Main Entry: au·to·crat
Pronunciation: ‘o-t&-”krat
Function: noun
1 : a person (as a monarch) ruling with unlimited authority
2 : one who has undisputed influence or power)
Sort of makes you wonder why Pres. Bush ever chose to use “fascist” in his arguments to support his war for oil… Er, um, “war an terra”, yeah that’s it!
By the way, Roger_Roger, I also hope we stop the terrorists. I just believe that arbitrary invading and nation-building is not the way to fight terrorism.
September 20th, 2006 at 9:13 amWow. I went to bed last night and woke up to a lot of people hating me. Nice. I want to point out that I have not called any of you names. I asked a question that has not been answered. And no one has came up with anything that even resimbles proof. Thanks to the “progresives” to soing so much kindness and discontent with me and my ideas.
September 20th, 2006 at 9:17 amDemocrat Soldier,
I agree with you. Invading Iraq was wrong because our leader really lied about the reasons for the invasion. I would have still backed the Iraq war to this day if Bush would have stated that he wanted to invade to overthrow Saddam and give the people of Iraq Freedom. If he simply said that, I would have been ok with the invasion. Democracy in Iraq is also a very good thing for America as it opens them up to the markets and they have a resource we will need for at least the next 50-100 years. Sadly, Bush couldn’t find the courage to come out and say the true reason for invading Iraq.
So, like I said at the beginning, we were wrong to invade Iraq due to the fact we weren’t giving the proper reason. In the end, none of that matters today as Bush can’t be re-elected and Iraq is our mess to clean up. You can’t “undo” it. So we need to stay on the offense at this point and stay there until Iraq is a stable country able to promote and support Democracy, Freedom, and the Free market. I know I couldn’t square a withdrawal of US troops right now in my head. It would be so completely selfish and childish as the extremists would take the country over. It is OUR mess and we need to stay until it is cleaned up.
September 20th, 2006 at 9:29 amanother big Wow. The IRS took in $85.8 Billion in quarterly taxes. 20% more than last year. Didn’t Bush cut taxes. I guess with the economy being so good and people spending more because they take home more money has helped with that. I’m sure you progressives will just call me a lier and pout.
September 20th, 2006 at 9:42 amLet me just say something about all the comments about Bush’s supposed religious decisions. The man doesn’t really have religion. He just uses it for to convince the masses to support policies that enrich him and his friends. It’s pretty simple really.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:00 am105 Roger-Rodger. Thank you for makeing a good point.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:01 am#106
Kevin, do you even read before you post?
That made absolutely no sense.
PS…it’s Liars, not liers
Enjoy your day
September 20th, 2006 at 10:08 am#104 - Kevin - I didn’t know you were such a sensitive soul. If you check my posts and Walt’s (#38, #39, #53 and #58) - you will see:
September 20th, 2006 at 10:18 am1. I only attacked your debate style and not your person - I know you might only be imitating your hero, but its a dishonest debating style
2. walt and I more than proved that the united states operated secret prisions and that they rendered people for torture using the definition of torture defined by alberto gonzalez.
So admit your defeat and let’s move on to your next strawman on the economy shall we?
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September 20th, 2006 at 10:25 amWell it’s not like the term just rolled off of his tongue anyway. He clearly had to struggle to say it at all. And had anyone asked him to define the term…that would have been a verbal train wreck for sure! And FUNNY! It would still be a great question though. And is this a recent development, or has BushCo just failed to notice it for the last 5 years? Or could it be just another b.s. term they made up, because ‘evildoers’ was losing it’s ability to rouse the rabble, as it once had. George is horribly repetitive as it is, gotta break up the monotony somehow. I’m sure something equally lame is in the works.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:28 am110 - on second thoughts, Kevin, did you look at who Maher Ahar is? Just wondering how you react to that story..
I don’t think we will be debating your economy strawman - its not germaine to the thread. I will offer an alternative explanation and leave it at that. Corporate profits are hitting records of a percent of GDP so corporate taxes are up. The economy has been fuelled by a house price and refi boom in which Americans have completely stopped saving. Couple that with the fact that average wages have stagnated or fallen suggests that the American and world economy has become a Ponzi scheme. The last in are suckered with the bill. Hope you don’t have an ARM mortgage, Kevin.
Roger-Roger: honest post, well done, I knew you had it in you. i’d debate your point, but TP has banned my IP so I have to use my Treo. I am reduced to short pithy comments today.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:35 amTerrytheTurtle,
What do you want to discuss about the economy? It seems pretty explainitory to me as it is just number and $$$$. Unemployment is under 5% which is historically low even by US standards. By world standards, it is insanely low. Our GDP is up and the Feds are collecting more tax’s then they ever have. Oil prices are dropping which create some inflation worries, but also garuntee our economy will speed up even more. What would you change if you could? I can’t seem to see how it could get any better. Almost everyone is employed, Walstreet is right at its historical High point, Gas is getting cheap and the Feds are estimating it could be around $1.15 by spring, and on top of all that the dollar has gained alot of strength verses the Asian markets which is a great sign.
What do you propose we do to speed up our economy and Wallstreet more?
September 20th, 2006 at 10:41 am#114 - Rogx2.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:55 am1. employment statistics are not the same country to country
2. oil prices are on a multiyear rise not drop
3. give me a link for that $1.15 prediction - I am very skeptical
4. dollar is in long term decline - one summer does not a trend make
5. if you did what the us does with it’s money you’d be bankrupt (because you couldn’t print dollars in your basement).
Back to pithy comments…this is hell on my Treo and its off track.
bush to sound slightly less stupid…
hey, i’ll take whatever incremental improvements i can get….
September 20th, 2006 at 11:02 amRoger, Terry, must I point out that the unemployment rate is artificially low because they don’t count people who are unemployed but no longer qualify for benefits?
September 20th, 2006 at 11:07 amCan some one such as Kevin or MA please explain to me what the various, groups we are opposing are doing that makes them fascist? I mean explain how outside of “because the president says so”. I am curious to learn exactly how you come to that conclusion. Seems to me that Al Queda, which is against American globalization, is different than Hamas, The PLO or Hezbollah who are against the violent seizure of their land and the formation of Israel on their homeland. They are also different from the Sunni Insurgents and Shiite insurgents who are vying for control of Iraq. These are very different groups, among many others, and that one blanket term is being used to cover them all, but I have no clue as to how the use of the term islamofascist came about. I’m sure some actual thought and debate went in the use of it. I mean they would not just use the term to conjure up yet again one more allusion to WWII for political purposes. This administration would simply not do things just for politics. So take your time and let me know who each of these groups are fascist…
Also judging by the way that the torture supporters are responding here (they would cut your head off if they captured you so we can torture…) I am certainly glad that these people were not in charge in WWII. If they had then we, the US probably would have had our own gas chambers, ovens and extermination camps to deal with the Germans.
Roger Roger a 5% or lower unemployment rate is not the issue. Unemployment is measured by the available workforce actively seeking employment. Full time employment for unemployment figures is working 10 hour a week, or some other ridiculous number. It has been this way for a long time. What the Unemployment rate does not take into account are a couple of things 1) people who have stopped looking for work. Yes, people drop out of the economy all the time, this could be double income families who suddenly only have on income or it could be people returning to school. Jobless/homeless people, jobless people living with relatives etc… the other thing the unemployment rate does not measure is 2) underemployment. That is people who are working below their skill level. People with college degrees working in factories and at Wal-mart. Skilled laborers working at Wal-Mart etc… this is actually a huge problem in our current economy that garners very little discussion outside of economic circles.
By the way Kevin, increased tax revenues this quarter over last year is not an indicator that the economy is better this year than last. There are multiple factors involved. A whole slew of laws expired which were designed to give corporations more tax breaks. The service has also tweaked the estimated payment procedures to require more cash upfront before the extension or return is actually filed. Remember the government recently said tax cuts do not pay for themselves as you implied. That was a myth in the 1980’s and is still a myth today. Time to move on. Remember collectiosn of estiems is not collections of revenues, it is the collection of what companies estimate their tax burden is for that particular time period.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:08 am#117 - “….must I point out that the unemployment rate is artificially low because they don’t count people who are unemployed but no longer qualify for benefits?” - Comment by Jane E. Schneider
******Dear Jane - Did previous administrations present “true” unemployment numbers by including the number of unemployed workers who no longer qualify for benefits?
September 20th, 2006 at 11:15 amTerrytheTurtle,
You are right in the fact that our government is probably already Bankrupt. They actually keep 2 sets of books. The one they show the american public isn’t a true accounting style form. There interal one that is verifed to be accurate by accounting standards shows that infact the Feds lose 2-10 trillion a year. You see, true accounting practices would force the Feds to show us the cost of Social Security, the Prescription Drug plan, Mediaid, etc. Those social programs cost us roughly 70%-80% of the total debt each year and yet they don’t even talk about this to the people. Sadly, we may very well be bankrupt already. The decline started when these social programs got enacted. It is the one thing that scares to hell out of me for our future.
Sadly, do you think we will ever change? The Repugs are supposed to be the party of limited government, yet they have spent more then any congress ever. While the Dems are good at pointing out this fact, I have yet to see one single Dem go the step farther and say that if they were in power they would DECREASE the Budget. It makes me cringe when I see a Dem scream about the repugs spending because we all know that they would spend just as much. ALL politicians are short term thinkers and they have to be to get reelected, but we currently don’t have a party in the US that will actually go and cut the budget the needed 35%-50%.
Cutting the budget is the only solution. Since almost all the debt load is from Social Security, the Prescription plan, and Mediaid, that is where we need to make the biggest cuts. Of course cutting “pork” is a good thing as well, but it is peanuts in comparison how much these social programs are costing us.
Also, Opec themselves are even saying they are concerned about prices as they are forcasting (as is the head of the energy department of the US) that Oil may easier go to $40-$45 per barrel in the next 6 months. Opec basically said that the world is flush with Oil right now (We have way more supply then there is demand).
Either way, my biggest concern is the Federal budget. It is a concern because neither party seems willing to step up and make the huge cuts these social programs need.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:16 amWhy is the phrase such a problem? It is just an term thats roughly accurate to refer to a select group of people. Would you prefer he said everytime “the group of religious fanatics and extremists who hate us and want to kill us, that are twisting Islam to further their goals”?
Maybe we should just call them “Foo Foos”. That way we can belittle them at the same time we identify them. However, we general label these groups with a description that in some way gives you some information about them. Are they Islamic? Yes they are, and they do follow ideas that are put forth in the Koran, but they choose to ignore the more peaceful passages. Are they fascist? Yes, they support and wish to see a world government based on Islamic law.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:19 amAphrodite, I would have to assume that previous administrations did the same thing. I’m simply pointing out that the official unemployment rate does not accurately reflect the number of people who are unemployed.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:25 amOkay all you Bush haters, I just have one question: What would you do if YOU were the President on 9/11? (Don’t tell me what you wouldn’t do, and you can’t mention George Bush or anyone in his Administration past or present).
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September 20th, 2006 at 11:38 am#117 - no Jane, not to me - hence the point about counting differently.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:42 amHey Wally (since you love Bush I have to assume you hate America) how about this. If I were president PRIOR to 911 I would have done a number of things differently. 1) I would have listened to the outgoing administration and not brushed them off because they were of a different party. Ultimately what Bush did in Afghanistan is what the Clinton administration had on the table but did not enact because he did not want to leave the incoming administration with a war the way he was (Yes, Somalia was Bush I adventure). 2) I should have continued surveillance of Afghanistan and not grounded the drone fleet. 3) I would have not chosen to invest everything I had in missile defense when there is pretty much no world wide missile threat right now. 4) I would have read the August 6th PDB. 5) I would listen to my Generals, and law enforcement officials. 6) I would not have stocked so many key positions with ideologically agreeable, but operationally incompetent people.
After 911, assuming I bungled my job so badly that it occurred, 1) I would have fired the director of the CIA, FBI and NSA as soon as I learned all of the thing we now know, none of them would have received the medal of freedom for their incompetence. 2) Afghanistan would still be invaded, however with far more troops than we actual sent, and seal the border with Pakistan as one of the first steps of the invasion. 3) I would also send competent individuals to oversee the reconstruction of the country. Reconstruction which would include competitive bidding on contracts and stipulations that local labor and expertise be used as much as possible to stimulate the local economy. Rewarding my cronies would not be my priority. 4) I would use that world wide good will after 911 to encourage countries like Saudi Arabia to change the way they do business so that they stop growing terrorists. Educating the masses works better than killing them. 5) I would focus on the threat and not invent new threats to further the agenda of an egghead think tank. 6) I would use the unprecidented national unity to actually further benfit our nation.
September 20th, 2006 at 11:55 amWally - http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/algore/a/prezgoresnl.htm
September 20th, 2006 at 11:55 am#123
Okay, here’s your answer Wally (and I’m not a Bush Hater, just a Bush Disapprover)
Following 9/11, I would have gathered all intelligence on OBL (or UBL…your pick), and with a strategic plan, I would have gone after the bastard in the mountains between Afghanastan and Pakistan. I also would not flip flop on the importance of his capture (you know, first, wanted dead or alive, then not important, then important again)
September 20th, 2006 at 12:00 pmand finally, I would not have lied about justification for a war that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
Now that I had time to answer your off topic question, can you please provide relevant posts to this particular thread
Thank you, and have a wonderful day
I need to add that I would not use 911 for political gain either and that I would launch investigations immediately or cooperate with congress so we could determine what actually happened and why. This could assist in preventing another attack in the future. I would also work extremely hard to preserve our constitution and our national character…i.e. torture would not be on the table and this would be a law enforcement problem.
Hey Bush apologists, sycophants/lovers. If our very existence is under assault, if this truly is a battle for civilization, why are we not mobilized 100% for war? Why no draft? Why no national movement to preserve our very existence? Why such an abrasive approach to nearly every other country in the world? One would think that if civilization/freedom/our way of life were in such grave danger that we should do something drastic to counter the threat.
September 20th, 2006 at 12:01 pmWally
September 20th, 2006 at 12:03 pmHow’s this:
1. Call together the leaders of all our allies and near-allies, including religious group leaders, together to elicit their support and/or help.
2. Call together all the heads of U.S. and cooperating alllies’ intelligence agencies to formulate a unified, comprehensive plan for identifying and locating anyone involved in the attack.
3. Call together all the heads of U.S. and cooperating allies’ law enforcement agencies to formulate a unified, comprehensive plan for capturing or, if necessary killing, perpetrators identified.
4. Meet with leaders in Congress to discuss operations, set aside money for the operation, and get any objections or suggestions to consider.
5. Position the Armed Forces strategically and put them on alert.
6. Announce large bounties for information leading to capture of the perpetrators.
7. Give the go ahead to all agencies to find and capture the perpetrators.
8. Prosecute and incarcerate or execute all perpetrators.
9. Thank the world for their support.
Wally - and I would have immediately enlisted the nation in a new Apollo Project to rid the country of dependence on unstable, dictatorial regimes which we have to prop up. Hey a project like this… http://www.apolloalliance.org/
#130 hey Mark what the hell are you doing? Get yourself to Disneyland like the President told you - you still have half your mortgage refi to spend!
September 20th, 2006 at 12:18 pmGosh PLC, you sound like GEORGE W. BUSH……Hmmmm….The only thing missing from your scenario was some of “your” allies tepid view of terror.
PLC’s List:
September 20th, 2006 at 12:25 pm1.) Done
2.) Done
3.) Done
4.) Done
5.) Done
6.) Done
7.) Done
8.) Done
9.) Done - profusely….
Mighty Aphrodite
September 20th, 2006 at 12:30 pmNice try but “not done”.
DRxJ,
September 20th, 2006 at 1:01 pmHow is my post off topic? I thought we were talking about Islamofacism?
PatrioticLiberalChristian (#131),
September 20th, 2006 at 1:04 pmWhat about the UN? What about the security counsel?
I have not heard PLC blame all her failures on Fmr. Pres. Clinton. That’s SO UNLIKE Pres. Bush!
PLC has offered workable solutions. That’s SO UNLIKE Pres. Bush!
PLC wants to include other nations and consider different perspectives when addressing problems. That’s SO UNLIKE Pres. Bush!
I can only assume that Mighty Aphro is thinking of Pres. Clinton and his ability to get people talking and working together when she compares PLC to a President.
Noodles for strudles!
September 20th, 2006 at 1:12 pmMy dear PLC - Perhaps “not done” to YOUR way of “thinking” - but DONE.
Allies were consulted and recruited, international intelligence agencies contributed, U.S law enforcement agencies apprised and consulted, members of Congress were consulted and operations were discussed, enemies are killed or captured and interrogated. Moussaoui has been tried and soon military tribunals will commence to try those detainees not already released.
Better get back to picking those nasty little nits.
I say tomato….you say tomatoe…..
September 20th, 2006 at 1:19 pmDear Dem SOLD - I have always admired President Clinton’s “people” skills. He loved being a concensus builder! (I still have not concluded if I think he was a great LEADER.) With 20/20 hindsight. I’m certain he wishes he had explored different avenues in regards to terrorism, but I don’t fault him for that. Enacting more conservative legislation that most conservatives, I rather liked the guy. He was NEVER loved by the Left - he was too far Right.
The fact that our former President had the sexual mores of an alley cat was none of my business. Enter the hypocritical defenders of women, (NOW, the ACLU, The DEM Party apparatchik) - well, liberal women at least - and that scandal was off to the races.
In closing, Dem SOLD, your tangents and critical analysis have proven to be poor - but being the eternal optimist I am, there’s hope for you yet…..
September 20th, 2006 at 1:31 pmMy “dear” (yes I can be condescending, too) MA - allies were not consulted (either you were with our way or against us), Bush took military action and not a law enforcement approach which is what I proposed (if you bothered to read and understand), the only enemies killed or captured were from the magic Iraq deck of cards, and there has been no indication that any of those famous detainees have been charged with conspiracy in the 9-11 attack. And then there is Old Osama Bin Laden.
You sure are free with your “nit picking”, nasty, personal attacks but you can’t accept a hypothetical scenario which exposes your hypocrisy.
September 20th, 2006 at 1:43 pmI am so glad I swallowed my drink before reading MA post 139 who found a way to say the left never admirred Clinton and to blame the left for the witch hunt against Clinton for his sexual indiscretions! WOW!!!
September 20th, 2006 at 1:47 pm#139 - Who are you, and what have you done with Mighty Aphro?!?!? ;-)
I will say that I’m pleasantly surprised by your post! You were thoughtful, reasonable, brought up good points, and only slightly engaged in (gratuitous) name calling!
To be honest, I was expecting a more invective post than this one. To be honest, I’m getting tired of the number of posts where I respond to people in the (extreme) fashion they act in so as to say “See how you sound? See what your behavior is like when it’s thrown back in your face?â€
I will agree that Fmr. Pres. Clinton was lacking in a number of qualities that I think President should embody. It’s a bit unfair, but true, that they must be held to a much higher standard than average people because of the office to which they are elected.
I won’t go into Pres. Bush as I would like to continue having though provoking (rather than anger provoking) discussions with you in future.
By the way, I apologize in advance for my catty post concerning you in “Allen continues effort to downplay his Jewish heritage.†It was childish. I guess the people I’ve been interacting with at work are rubbing off on me! ;-)
September 20th, 2006 at 1:54 pmOf course you CAN be condescending, PLC….You’re a “liberal” and many believe themselves to be just a tad smarter than the average bear. (It’s impossible to be a “fellow traveler” and NOT be condescending.)
I suppose you didn’t quite get the memo - the “law enforcement” model was tried, to a degree of success - BUT was primarily effective in dealing with domestic terror cells. That strategy was unsuccessful in the shadows of the foreign arena…..not that that was President Clinton’s fault. He did the BEST he could.
“….the only enemies killed or captured were from the magic Iraq deck of cards, and there has been no indication that any of those famous detainees have been charged with conspiracy in the 9-11 attack.”
Comment by PLC
*********Do you get tired of being wrong so often? Maybe we can chalk it up to the narrow scope of your worldview?? I guess you don’t consider the dead or captured Taliban or AlQueda members in Afghanistan to mean much….why am I not surprised???
September 20th, 2006 at 2:02 pm…and the dumb public takes the bait…
…Bushiva’s poll numbers at a reported 44% Approval…
…how stupid can some people be?
September 20th, 2006 at 2:02 pmDemocrat Soldier - I enjoy the forum Think Progress provides. Unfortunately, the extreme tilts of both ends of the spectrum embrace their ideologies to such a degree that honesty is a casualty. I disagreed with President Clinton on raising the tax rate on the middle class and Social Scurity recipients and loudly applauded in print and elsewhere his sincere efforts in helping people. From welfare reform, which helps build self-esteem and good citizenship, to peace talks from Ireland to the Middle East, he was as good a President as we could have expected given the time and mood of the country. (Frankly, I have always been amazed the way the United States has been so blessed in 230 years to generally get the kind of President we need when we need them. From Washington to Lincoln, FDR to Kennedy, Reagan to Bush, we have been lucky enough to have decisive leaders when needed and fairly good “caretaker” Presidents in between. ) I never thought Bill Clinton was evil - just human - aren’t we all??
Don’t apologize for “catty” remarks - they are usually the result of quick repartee. And God knows we can use a little humour…..
Later……
September 20th, 2006 at 2:14 pmDem SOLD - This is SO odd…..How did you KNOW the house fell on my sister??? She’s recovering quite nicely, thank God!! Ha!!!!!!!!!!!
September 20th, 2006 at 2:21 pmMighty Aphrodite
September 20th, 2006 at 2:25 pmYou are correct. There were Al Quaeda and Taliban enemies killed. I guess I just got caught up in that false Iraq/Al Quaeda connection! By the way, I did support the military action in Afghanistan.
PLC, I propose a truce - for at least two or three minutes - HA!! I have always maintained there are FEW purely evil individuals absent any human decency…. and the only angels are the ones we can’t see - unless we’re supposed to….
September 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pmRiddle me this Mighty Aphrodite…
…$300 billion dollars…
…hundreds of thousands dead (globally)…
…bin Laden all but forgotten…
…the WORLD (not just a majority of your “former” countrymen/women)despises you…
…Halliburton/Cheney swimming in war profits…
…poverty and despair STILL gripping the Earth…
…Iraq in the throes of Civil WAR AND under the spell of Iran…
…NUKES and hostility everywhere…
…America on the verge of bankruptcy and already in a (political) Civil War (for now)…
…IS your god BUSH worth it?
September 20th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#140 don’t you realize that we have killed or captured the #2 AlQueda man two or three hundred times? How can so that we have only captured a deck of cards?
September 20th, 2006 at 3:05 pm“…don’t you realize that we have killed or captured the #2 AlQueda man two or three hundred times?…” Comment by Mark
*******The vacuum of leadership when one is killed is easily filled by a new “virgin seeker”. The trick with such a stubborn enemy is similar to handling kudzu, crabgrass or the mythological Hydra. You just keep cutting and killing it, unless you’re willing to be overtaken…..
September 20th, 2006 at 3:23 pmMighty Aphrodite
Again, I agree with you! This truce stuff might actually be good. Maybe fighting isn’t the only solution.
The trick with such a stubborn enemy is similar to handling kudzu, crabgrass or the mythological Hydra.
Yes, you take away the fertile soil in which it has taken root and deny it the nutrients and sunlight that feed it.
September 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pmThe reason the Republicans are denying Bush et al in retroactive war crimes/torture are due to the May 2006 1800 slide and half dozen video show at the Rayburn building that took 3 hours. Remember those pictures and videos the Pentagon (read Rumsfeld) still hasn’t released despite the Court order? Well the Senat and House sat down and watched the show. Senior Republicans are seeing the light of further prosecutions including War Crimes trials. read it here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4989481/
September 20th, 2006 at 3:41 pmA business-government alliance, enforced by the military, and domestic police–once, this was called facsism. Now called the USA.
September 20th, 2006 at 3:50 pmI have been reading Andrew Sullivan’s blog a lot lately, and I think it is clearly time for us, at least, to stop using the term “conservatives” to refer to Bush’s supporters. As you know, Sullivan has been covering the growing vocal opposition to Bush in serious “conservative” thinkers and commentators, those who are against the current crew’s ruinous fiscal policies and attacks upon our Constitution.
September 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmI think this opposition must be a factor in the White House’s possible standdown to McCain and company.
It’s certainly time for us to come up with some other words for them–
Bush-ists, or dunderheads, or whatever ….
#149 - “Riddle me this Mighty Aphrodite…
“”…$300 billion dollars…” - A drop in the bucket compared to the TRILLIONS of waste, pork, over the top entitlement programs spent by BOTH parties in the last 40 years…..
“…hundreds of thousands dead (globally)”…. I guess that’s why a few of us think THIS is a World War……
“…bin Laden all but forgotten”… Says you??? Just because they don’t let you in on briefings re: bin Laden you assume MUCH and demonstrate little knowledge…..
“…the WORLD (not just a majority of your “former†countrymen/women)despises you…” ….and I should CARE because?? I don’t thrive if EVERYONE loves me. Apparently, winning approval from others is VERY important to YOU. I hate to disappoint, but the opinions of YOU and your Leftist Whiner Friends are none of my business.
“…Halliburton/Cheney swimming in war profits…”….there would be something VERY wrong if a company with that scope and capacity LOST money. You neglected to mention the other FIRMS worldwide with Halliburton’s equipment and distribution level….
“…poverty and despair STILL gripping the Earth…” ….a tragic reality of the human condition since…..THE BEGINNING OF HUMAN ENDEAVORS. What is really tragic is so much modern poverty is a result of Third World depotism. Distribution of food and medicine to the poorest is often held up by corrupt Leaders. They use food like a sword to control and coerce.
“…Iraq in the throes of Civil WAR AND under the spell of Iran…”….It may come to Civil War in Iraq - but as usual, you’re premature. Maliki is tiptoeing on the snout of a crocodile - the only thing that can save Iraq is strong bi-partisan leadership. I’m afraid the medieval religious mindset of the radical contingent threatens to disrupt gains.
“…NUKES and hostility everywhere…” ….Did you JUST wake up to that fact????
“…America on the verge of bankruptcy and already in a (political) Civil War (for now)…”…..America has a vibrant economy with good prospects. If and when we get a HANDLE on spending more money than we have on hand, maybe this ship can get back on course….Have you sought help for your continuing pessimism???
“…IS your god BUSH worth it?” R