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	<title>Comments on: 5th Former Joint Chiefs Chairman Objects to Bush&#8217;s Plan To Authorize Torture</title>
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		<title>By: Truthdetector</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-3/#comment-899457</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthdetector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>160 democrats voted against a bill that not only provides a clear and concise method of detaining and interrogating terrorists, but gives the terrorists more legal options than German POWs had in america during WWII. This just proves that the democrats do not want to protect us from these monsters. They are more concerned with giving terrorists protections under the geneva convention, even though they never signed it and aren&#039;t entitled to their protections. They voted against this because they don&#039;t want to give a victory to Bush and they know that their kook base would leave them high and dry in november if they voted for it. 

Apparently the demos want Miranda rights read on the battlefields. And they think we&#039;ll believe them when they say they will be tough on terrorists? Please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>160 democrats voted against a bill that not only provides a clear and concise method of detaining and interrogating terrorists, but gives the terrorists more legal options than German POWs had in america during WWII. This just proves that the democrats do not want to protect us from these monsters. They are more concerned with giving terrorists protections under the geneva convention, even though they never signed it and aren&#8217;t entitled to their protections. They voted against this because they don&#8217;t want to give a victory to Bush and they know that their kook base would leave them high and dry in november if they voted for it. </p>
<p>Apparently the demos want Miranda rights read on the battlefields. And they think we&#8217;ll believe them when they say they will be tough on terrorists? Please<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=899457', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave+von+Ebers</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-3/#comment-865683</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave+von+Ebers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Coach - I&#039;m okay with Ohio State (in fact, I LOVED the way they kicked Texas a couple of weeks ago!), but I&#039;m still a wee bit upset that they ruined my Illini&#039;s perfect basketball season in 2004-05.  Course, I&#039;m more upset about how the Tar Heels handed my Illini their &lt;em&gt;second&lt;/em&gt; loss that season, so I can forgive the Buckeyes.

(By the way, through no fault of her own, my ex was - and, I presume, still is - a big time Wolverine fan ... so, you see, it&#039;s a little personal with me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Coach &#8211; I&#8217;m okay with Ohio State (in fact, I LOVED the way they kicked Texas a couple of weeks ago!), but I&#8217;m still a wee bit upset that they ruined my Illini&#8217;s perfect basketball season in 2004-05.  Course, I&#8217;m more upset about how the Tar Heels handed my Illini their <em>second</em> loss that season, so I can forgive the Buckeyes.</p>
<p>(By the way, through no fault of her own, my ex was &#8211; and, I presume, still is &#8211; a big time Wolverine fan &#8230; so, you see, it&#8217;s a little personal with me.)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=865683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: al</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-861406</link>
		<dc:creator>al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>black ops a must watch latest
http://www.uruknet.org.uk/?p=m26886&amp;hd=0&amp;size=1&amp;l=e</description>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-860666</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I suppose when they get laptops and wi-fi in Podunk, GA youâ€™ll get up to speedâ€¦..FYI - You shouldnâ€™t eat your Blackberryâ€¦.. 
Comment by mighty+aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @&lt;/em&gt; 

You probably haven&#039;t noticed that you get exceptionally bitchy when you&#039;ve been caught in a lie.  Just like you keep failing to notice that you really are a man.

Once again, you validate the fact that you are a liar.  And are immature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I suppose when they get laptops and wi-fi in Podunk, GA youâ€™ll get up to speedâ€¦..FYI &#8211; You shouldnâ€™t eat your Blackberryâ€¦..<br />
Comment by mighty+aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @</em> </p>
<p>You probably haven&#8217;t noticed that you get exceptionally bitchy when you&#8217;ve been caught in a lie.  Just like you keep failing to notice that you really are a man.</p>
<p>Once again, you validate the fact that you are a liar.  And are immature.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=860666', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eye on Williamson &#187; Headline I Want To See</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-859281</link>
		<dc:creator>Eye on Williamson &#187; Headline I Want To See</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is an easy issue for Democrats to filibuster.Â  The military is overwhelmingly against this and 63% of Americans think we should follow the Geneva Convetion when it comes to torture. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is an easy issue for Democrats to filibuster.Â  The military is overwhelmingly against this and 63% of Americans think we should follow the Geneva Convetion when it comes to torture. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=859281', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: coachjason</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-858745</link>
		<dc:creator>coachjason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>108
 That was supposed to say NOW you kids... obviously not a good typer am I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>108<br />
 That was supposed to say NOW you kids&#8230; obviously not a good typer am I?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=858745', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: coachjason</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-858732</link>
		<dc:creator>coachjason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 105
Dave,
 Great analogy bro...
 I live in Ohio, so that automatically makes me an Ohio State fan (Go Bucks...currently #1in bcs). I agree Michigan SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 And you&#039;re aboslutely right about Brett Favvvvrrreee/Farrrvvveee (you know, Cameron diaz&#039;s old boyfriend in Something About Mary) Geez I&#039;m on a roll with obscure movie references lately!!! 
 My point about Nancy Piloisi (sp) is right, Bush may be a little bitch... but he&#039;s our bitch and we&#039;ll handle it thanks. No you kids go back to the clubhouse and spew your hatred there, we adults will clean up our own messes here. Adios!
RE:107
 DOYOUSEE,
 I thought KARMA was a chamelion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 105<br />
Dave,<br />
 Great analogy bro&#8230;<br />
 I live in Ohio, so that automatically makes me an Ohio State fan (Go Bucks&#8230;currently #1in bcs). I agree Michigan SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
 And you&#8217;re aboslutely right about Brett Favvvvrrreee/Farrrvvveee (you know, Cameron diaz&#8217;s old boyfriend in Something About Mary) Geez I&#8217;m on a roll with obscure movie references lately!!!<br />
 My point about Nancy Piloisi (sp) is right, Bush may be a little bitch&#8230; but he&#8217;s our bitch and we&#8217;ll handle it thanks. No you kids go back to the clubhouse and spew your hatred there, we adults will clean up our own messes here. Adios!<br />
RE:107<br />
 DOYOUSEE,<br />
 I thought KARMA was a chamelion?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=858732', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DOYOUSEE</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-857098</link>
		<dc:creator>DOYOUSEE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LAW OF KARMA SAYS GUILTY
LIARS/LAWYERS CAN&#039;T CHANGE UNIVERSAL LAWS
KARMA IS INEVITABLE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LAW OF KARMA SAYS GUILTY<br />
LIARS/LAWYERS CAN&#8217;T CHANGE UNIVERSAL LAWS<br />
KARMA IS INEVITABLE<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=857098', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mighty+aphrodite</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-856152</link>
		<dc:creator>mighty+aphrodite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#101 - - &quot;MA uses a broom! She only has to go to the airport because all fluids are banned on flights...&quot;  Walt the Man

That Walt!!! Letting the secret of my broom out!!! You&#039;re going to spoil a good thing - Mr.  Aphrodite thinks I&#039;ve been racking up frequent  flyer miles....

#103 - &quot;This is why we donâ€™t take MA seriously. Heâ€™s a liar:
Iâ€™m off to the airportâ€¦â€¦have a great day!
Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Comment by mighty+aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 3:25 pm&quot;
Comment by unbelievable 

*********I suppose when they get laptops and wi-fi in Podunk, GA you&#039;ll get up to speed.....FYI - You shouldn&#039;t eat your Blackberry.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#101 &#8211; - &#8220;MA uses a broom! She only has to go to the airport because all fluids are banned on flights&#8230;&#8221;  Walt the Man</p>
<p>That Walt!!! Letting the secret of my broom out!!! You&#8217;re going to spoil a good thing &#8211; Mr.  Aphrodite thinks I&#8217;ve been racking up frequent  flyer miles&#8230;.</p>
<p>#103 &#8211; &#8220;This is why we donâ€™t take MA seriously. Heâ€™s a liar:<br />
Iâ€™m off to the airportâ€¦â€¦have a great day!<br />
Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 2:17 pm<br />
Comment by mighty+aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 3:25 pm&#8221;<br />
Comment by unbelievable </p>
<p>*********I suppose when they get laptops and wi-fi in Podunk, GA you&#8217;ll get up to speed&#8230;..FYI &#8211; You shouldn&#8217;t eat your Blackberry&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=856152', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave+von+Ebers</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-855989</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave+von+Ebers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coach - right back atcha.  

And, regarding the Pelosi comment (Hugo Chavez is a thug) - I would use a different analogy.  To me, her defending Bush is like the way a Bears fan (that&#039;d be me) feels about the Green Bay Packers.  I hate &#039;em ... until their in the playoffs against (take your pick) the 49ers, the Giants, the Eagles, the Rams ... Hey, the Packers may be jerks, but they&#039;re OUR jerks!  (And I&#039;d take Brett Favre over Joe Montana any day of the week ... even if he doesn&#039;t know how to pronounce his own name ...)

(Though as a Big 10 fan, I&#039;m not so sure I can be that generous when it comes to Michigan.  But hey, that&#039;s Michigan.  I mean, c&#039;mon ... they have the most obnoxious fans in the world.  They make Notre Dame fans look good.  Why, Michigan football fans are worse than Duke basketball fans, fer Chrissakes. .... Okay, have I offended nearly everyone by now?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coach &#8211; right back atcha.  </p>
<p>And, regarding the Pelosi comment (Hugo Chavez is a thug) &#8211; I would use a different analogy.  To me, her defending Bush is like the way a Bears fan (that&#8217;d be me) feels about the Green Bay Packers.  I hate &#8216;em &#8230; until their in the playoffs against (take your pick) the 49ers, the Giants, the Eagles, the Rams &#8230; Hey, the Packers may be jerks, but they&#8217;re OUR jerks!  (And I&#8217;d take Brett Favre over Joe Montana any day of the week &#8230; even if he doesn&#8217;t know how to pronounce his own name &#8230;)</p>
<p>(Though as a Big 10 fan, I&#8217;m not so sure I can be that generous when it comes to Michigan.  But hey, that&#8217;s Michigan.  I mean, c&#8217;mon &#8230; they have the most obnoxious fans in the world.  They make Notre Dame fans look good.  Why, Michigan football fans are worse than Duke basketball fans, fer Chrissakes. &#8230;. Okay, have I offended nearly everyone by now?)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855989', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#103 - unbelievable,
MTAP could still be on the tarmac... Three hours through check-in, three hours waiting for W&#039;s  AF1 to get far enough away to escape hostal fire from a civilian Airliner and then two hours on the taxiway.  When JFK was president, I was twice able to wave to him as AF1 got priority, but we took off about two or three minutes later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#103 &#8211; unbelievable,<br />
MTAP could still be on the tarmac&#8230; Three hours through check-in, three hours waiting for W&#8217;s  AF1 to get far enough away to escape hostal fire from a civilian Airliner and then two hours on the taxiway.  When JFK was president, I was twice able to wave to him as AF1 got priority, but we took off about two or three minutes later.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855988', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-855925</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;This&lt;/em&gt; is why we don&#039;t take MA seriously.  He&#039;s a liar:

&lt;strong&gt;
Iâ€™m off to the airportâ€¦â€¦have a great day! 
Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 2:17 pm


Comment by mighty+aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 3:25 pm&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This</em> is why we don&#8217;t take MA seriously.  He&#8217;s a liar:</p>
<p><strong><br />
Iâ€™m off to the airportâ€¦â€¦have a great day!<br />
Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 2:17 pm</p>
<p>Comment by mighty+aphrodite â€” September 21, 2006 @ 3:25 pm</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855925', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-855698</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erase &quot; can not carry fluids&quot; from the prior post, bitte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erase &#8221; can not carry fluids&#8221; from the prior post, bitte.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855698', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-855695</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MA uses a broom! She only has to go to the airport because all fluids are banned on flights originating from or entering US airspace can not carry fluids. The next graduating class from the Air Force Academy will be mummified. This will also apply to all passengers in Cabin Class as well as those without a return ticket in First Class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MA uses a broom! She only has to go to the airport because all fluids are banned on flights originating from or entering US airspace can not carry fluids. The next graduating class from the Air Force Academy will be mummified. This will also apply to all passengers in Cabin Class as well as those without a return ticket in First Class.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855695', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: coachjason</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-855251</link>
		<dc:creator>coachjason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave and Wayne,
 It is pretty much an assumption that you are a republican if you are on the transport to Iraq... It&#039;s not much talked about, but you support your commander in chief no matter who it is. After I returned I fell into the Rush and Hannity trap of believing liberals are ruining the country. When in fact, from my observations, it&#039;s the extremists on both sides keeping the rest of us at war with one another that is costing us this war and this country.
 I noticed something funny today. Nancy Piolosi called Hugo Chavez a &quot;thug&quot; and ridiculed his entire speech yesterday from the U.N.  What got me about that is she really doesn&#039;t like Bush at all, yet she defended him in a way. Kind of like you can say or do whatever you want to your brothers and sisters... but nobody else is allowed to. Kudos to Nancy...
Dave, May the wings of liberty never lose a feather...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave and Wayne,<br />
 It is pretty much an assumption that you are a republican if you are on the transport to Iraq&#8230; It&#8217;s not much talked about, but you support your commander in chief no matter who it is. After I returned I fell into the Rush and Hannity trap of believing liberals are ruining the country. When in fact, from my observations, it&#8217;s the extremists on both sides keeping the rest of us at war with one another that is costing us this war and this country.<br />
 I noticed something funny today. Nancy Piolosi called Hugo Chavez a &#8220;thug&#8221; and ridiculed his entire speech yesterday from the U.N.  What got me about that is she really doesn&#8217;t like Bush at all, yet she defended him in a way. Kind of like you can say or do whatever you want to your brothers and sisters&#8230; but nobody else is allowed to. Kudos to Nancy&#8230;<br />
Dave, May the wings of liberty never lose a feather&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855251', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If it helps, I donâ€™t think you are ALL jerks, just the ones who donâ€™t agree with me (hehe). 

Comment by coachjason&lt;/i&gt;

Now that&#039;s the kind of sense of humor some of us enjoy.  Civility will get you a long way with many of us, coachjason.  I hope you&#039;ll find that many liberals can explain themselves quite well and will not sound as insane as some would have you believe.  I invite you to challenge us on our facts and demand we explain our opinions.  The intellectual exercise is quite fun for many of us, and it helps someone to re-examine his or her beliefs from time to time.  That&#039;s when one learns that some of the bases for one&#039;s opinion no longer apply today.  

There is nothing wrong with being conservative, as long as there&#039;s open-mindedness.  What many of us see in the Republicans in Congress, and especially in the White House, is a total unwillingness to even briefly entertain the notion that maybe, just maybe, they might not be right.  And that&#039;s not being &quot;resolute&quot; or &quot;strong-willed&quot;  or &quot;determined&quot;, that&#039;s just being stubborn.

Keep on visiting us, coachjason.  Stick around long enough, debate fairly and squarely (no making up bullshit facts like some do), and you&#039;ll earn the respect you deserve.  But lapse into mindless unnecessary personal attacks (as opposed to merely attacking an idea, which is fine) and you&#039;ll quickly get the same treatment you&#039;ve seen others get.  Looking forward to hearing what you have to say in the future.  Don&#039;t be a stranger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If it helps, I donâ€™t think you are ALL jerks, just the ones who donâ€™t agree with me (hehe). </p>
<p>Comment by coachjason</i></p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s the kind of sense of humor some of us enjoy.  Civility will get you a long way with many of us, coachjason.  I hope you&#8217;ll find that many liberals can explain themselves quite well and will not sound as insane as some would have you believe.  I invite you to challenge us on our facts and demand we explain our opinions.  The intellectual exercise is quite fun for many of us, and it helps someone to re-examine his or her beliefs from time to time.  That&#8217;s when one learns that some of the bases for one&#8217;s opinion no longer apply today.  </p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with being conservative, as long as there&#8217;s open-mindedness.  What many of us see in the Republicans in Congress, and especially in the White House, is a total unwillingness to even briefly entertain the notion that maybe, just maybe, they might not be right.  And that&#8217;s not being &#8220;resolute&#8221; or &#8220;strong-willed&#8221;  or &#8220;determined&#8221;, that&#8217;s just being stubborn.</p>
<p>Keep on visiting us, coachjason.  Stick around long enough, debate fairly and squarely (no making up bullshit facts like some do), and you&#8217;ll earn the respect you deserve.  But lapse into mindless unnecessary personal attacks (as opposed to merely attacking an idea, which is fine) and you&#8217;ll quickly get the same treatment you&#8217;ve seen others get.  Looking forward to hearing what you have to say in the future.  Don&#8217;t be a stranger.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855143', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave+von+Ebers</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-855012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave+von+Ebers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coach, I&#039;ve got to tell you, that&#039;s the first &quot;Big Trouble in Little China&quot; reference I&#039;ve seen on this or any other blog. 

Outstanding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coach, I&#8217;ve got to tell you, that&#8217;s the first &#8220;Big Trouble in Little China&#8221; reference I&#8217;ve seen on this or any other blog. </p>
<p>Outstanding!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=855012', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: coachjason</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-854962</link>
		<dc:creator>coachjason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
 I can&#039;t thank you enough for the hospitality you have shown me here. I was giving MA the benefit of the doubt... maybe I spoke too soon. I&#039;ll let the jury decide (lol)...
 Again, on her behalf, sometimes the substance of a post is overlooked if insults are included... not that you insulted her... just that maybe she got short-sighted. Like you, I do see the humor in her from time to time... sometimes she even makes sense (at least to me).
 Maybe an offer to wipe the slate clean and start over with no insults would interest her... like Kurt Russell said in &quot;Big Trouble in Little China&quot;, Hey, you never know til you try...
 If it helps, I don&#039;t think you are ALL jerks, just the ones who don&#039;t agree with me (hehe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
 I can&#8217;t thank you enough for the hospitality you have shown me here. I was giving MA the benefit of the doubt&#8230; maybe I spoke too soon. I&#8217;ll let the jury decide (lol)&#8230;<br />
 Again, on her behalf, sometimes the substance of a post is overlooked if insults are included&#8230; not that you insulted her&#8230; just that maybe she got short-sighted. Like you, I do see the humor in her from time to time&#8230; sometimes she even makes sense (at least to me).<br />
 Maybe an offer to wipe the slate clean and start over with no insults would interest her&#8230; like Kurt Russell said in &#8220;Big Trouble in Little China&#8221;, Hey, you never know til you try&#8230;<br />
 If it helps, I don&#8217;t think you are ALL jerks, just the ones who don&#8217;t agree with me (hehe).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=854962', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave+von+Ebers</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-854914</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave+von+Ebers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coach (re No. 90), I agree that civility is sometimes in short supply around here.  Which is precisely why I&#039;ve come to your defense on occasion.  That, and the fact that I am interested in what you have to say.

But the very first time I engaged in any sort of back-and-forth dialouge with the Mighty One (on a thread dealing with whether the federal judge in Michigan should have recused herself from hearing the case against the Bush administration over the NSA warrantless wiretapping program), she responded to a lengthy post of mine as follows:  &quot;Dear Dave, Esq, You Insufferable Prig/Prog - I suppose you were the same kind of weasel who did other studentsâ€™ briefs - for a feeâ€¦&quot;  

And, of course, she utterly failed to respond to the substance of my arguments.

This is a trend that has gone on, over and over and over again, every time I try to engage her in rational debate.  Now, you may be right - she may have been treated rudely from day one, and so she expects us all to be jerks - but I find her attacks to be, well, rather humorous.

You, on the other hand, are always respectful and I appreciate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coach (re No. 90), I agree that civility is sometimes in short supply around here.  Which is precisely why I&#8217;ve come to your defense on occasion.  That, and the fact that I am interested in what you have to say.</p>
<p>But the very first time I engaged in any sort of back-and-forth dialouge with the Mighty One (on a thread dealing with whether the federal judge in Michigan should have recused herself from hearing the case against the Bush administration over the NSA warrantless wiretapping program), she responded to a lengthy post of mine as follows:  &#8220;Dear Dave, Esq, You Insufferable Prig/Prog &#8211; I suppose you were the same kind of weasel who did other studentsâ€™ briefs &#8211; for a feeâ€¦&#8221;  </p>
<p>And, of course, she utterly failed to respond to the substance of my arguments.</p>
<p>This is a trend that has gone on, over and over and over again, every time I try to engage her in rational debate.  Now, you may be right &#8211; she may have been treated rudely from day one, and so she expects us all to be jerks &#8211; but I find her attacks to be, well, rather humorous.</p>
<p>You, on the other hand, are always respectful and I appreciate that.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=854914', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave+von+Ebers</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/20/shelton-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-854869</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave+von+Ebers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MA, in No. 71, you state:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;What IS vague is the directive in c.): â€œoutrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;â€ I am ALL for a little humiliation if I can get one of these SOBs to give up a plot or cell. Personal dignity???? Give me a break!!!! They deserve the personal dignity of a toilet and sink, a bright light shining on their sorry selves and sleep deprivation. I would pipe in some gang-bang hippity-hop bass-laden â€œmusicâ€ until they begged to talk so as to enjoy some peace and QUIET. If my methods appear harsh to you, remember your methods seem impotent to me.&lt;/em&gt;

Oddly, though, you don&#039;t tell us why you think the quoted language is vague.  Instead, you say that you are &quot;ALL for a little humiliation&quot; ... which is directly contrary to the language of Common Article III.  Then you say &quot;Personal dignity???? Give me a break!!!! They deserve the personal dignity of a toilet and sink ...&quot; which, again, is a rejection of the requirements of Common Article III.

In other words, under the guise of claiming that Common Article III is vague, you are actually arguing that those aspects you disagree with - i.e., the provisions of Common Article III that prohibit humiliation and outrages upon personal dignity - should not apply to captives in GWOT.  So, my comment that you are, in effect, definging those provisions out of existence is, um, right on point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MA, in No. 71, you state:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;What IS vague is the directive in c.): â€œoutrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;â€ I am ALL for a little humiliation if I can get one of these SOBs to give up a plot or cell. Personal dignity???? Give me a break!!!! They deserve the personal dignity of a toilet and sink, a bright light shining on their sorry selves and sleep deprivation. I would pipe in some gang-bang hippity-hop bass-laden â€œmusicâ€ until they begged to talk so as to enjoy some peace and QUIET. If my methods appear harsh to you, remember your methods seem impotent to me.</em></p>
<p>Oddly, though, you don&#8217;t tell us why you think the quoted language is vague.  Instead, you say that you are &#8220;ALL for a little humiliation&#8221; &#8230; which is directly contrary to the language of Common Article III.  Then you say &#8220;Personal dignity???? Give me a break!!!! They deserve the personal dignity of a toilet and sink &#8230;&#8221; which, again, is a rejection of the requirements of Common Article III.</p>
<p>In other words, under the guise of claiming that Common Article III is vague, you are actually arguing that those aspects you disagree with &#8211; i.e., the provisions of Common Article III that prohibit humiliation and outrages upon personal dignity &#8211; should not apply to captives in GWOT.  So, my comment that you are, in effect, definging those provisions out of existence is, um, right on point.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=854869', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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