Comments on: VIDEO: BBC Reveals ‘Direct Link’ Between Tobacco Companies And Global Warming Deniers http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:03:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Pensito Review » Gore’s ‘Inconvenient Truth’ Inconvenienced in Washington Schools http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-1433678 Pensito Review » Gore’s ‘Inconvenient Truth’ Inconvenienced in Washington Schools Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:11:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-1433678 [...] That shouldn’t be hard to do, as the oil companies have been spending millions to disprove man-made global warming for years, using the same tactics as the tobacco companies used to convince people smoking is good for you. Chrysler has gone so far as to criticize European views of global warming, describing climate change as “way, way in the future, with a high degree of uncertainty.” [...] [...] That shouldn’t be hard to do, as the oil companies have been spending millions to disprove man-made global warming for years, using the same tactics as the tobacco companies used to convince people smoking is good for you. Chrysler has gone so far as to criticize European views of global warming, describing climate change as “way, way in the future, with a high degree of uncertainty.” [...]

]]> By: seanmcdonald.ca » Blog Archive » Direct Link Between Tobacco Companies and Global Warming Deniers http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-860210 seanmcdonald.ca » Blog Archive » Direct Link Between Tobacco Companies and Global Warming Deniers Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:07:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-860210 [...] Go figure! Apparently the same assholes that wanted you to believe cigarettes are health, want you to believe that global warming isn’t actually happening. BBC has a report. [...] [...] Go figure! Apparently the same assholes that wanted you to believe cigarettes are health, want you to believe that global warming isn’t actually happening. BBC has a report. [...]

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-860158 coachjason Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:58:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-860158 BTW: upon rereading my last post, insane is not a good term to cover what I meant, maybe astronomical would be better... BTW: upon rereading my last post, insane is not a good term to cover what I meant, maybe astronomical would be better…

]]> By: coachjason http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-858137 coachjason Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:44:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-858137 <em>And before you get all ‘republican’ on exit polling data - it’s quite scientific. Our own government uses it internationally as a benchmark. Do some research on its world wide usage before you go hardcore. Keep an open mind. Then realize how many on your side saw the 2004 election. To them it was an act of patriotism ‘for the war and for our security’. Many men - some you probably served with - would gladly throw an election in that state of mind. It’s easy to justify undermining a democracy for reasons of ’security’. It’s harder to allow yourself to lose to the will of the people when you feel that way. Many people on the right operate from a place of moral intention. But from that place, they do the most evil. It is the very risk of hubris in the human existence. It’s also a core trait of the far right…</em> I just wanted to address a couple other things you said. I definitely understand the scientific nature of the exit polls, it is one of the things that had me concerned. Another thing I do know is that it has been wrong before, very seldom, but it's been done. What I didn't know is the odds you gave, they are pretty insane. Knowing how you feel about offending people, I would ask that you be wary of what you said about the "people I served with". Honor above all else is not just a code, it's our way of life. There is no honor in stealing an election. Again, I'm not saying it's not possible, there are bad apples in every bunch, I can just promise you it would be none of the men in my unit. Another thing before I forget, I heard that the governor of Pennsylvania didn't let military personnel on active duty, vote in 2004? Did you hear that too, or was that another repub rumor? I remember a conversation I had with my grandfather before the election, he said "Jason, I just don't see bush getting enough votes to win. I hate to call it in advance, but all the signs I see say it's Kerry's" tto him I replied "Grandpa that's fine, if your guy wins I have no problem saying hail to the chief." My point was simply that it mattered to me who won, but I wasn't going to let it change my life forever. I'm sure most of the men I served with, felt the same way. I'm also sorry that maybeyou and I got off on the wrong foot. I probably got defensive because I felt like you were on the offensive. I can say mean and nasty things when I have to, but believe me it's not because I want to. Have a great day and I hope these posts provide some food for thought. And before you get all ‘republican’ on exit polling data – it’s quite scientific.

Our own government uses it internationally as a benchmark.

Do some research on its world wide usage before you go hardcore.

Keep an open mind.

Then realize how many on your side saw the 2004 election.

To them it was an act of patriotism ‘for the war and for our security’.

Many men – some you probably served with – would gladly throw an election in that state of mind.

It’s easy to justify undermining a democracy for reasons of ’security’.

It’s harder to allow yourself to lose to the will of the people when you feel that way.

Many people on the right operate from a place of moral intention.

But from that place, they do the most evil.

It is the very risk of hubris in the human existence.

It’s also a core trait of the far right…

I just wanted to address a couple other things you said. I definitely understand the scientific nature of the exit polls, it is one of the things that had me concerned. Another thing I do know is that it has been wrong before, very seldom, but it’s been done. What I didn’t know is the odds you gave, they are pretty insane.
Knowing how you feel about offending people, I would ask that you be wary of what you said about the “people I served with”. Honor above all else is not just a code, it’s our way of life. There is no honor in stealing an election. Again, I’m not saying it’s not possible, there are bad apples in every bunch, I can just promise you it would be none of the men in my unit.
Another thing before I forget, I heard that the governor of Pennsylvania didn’t let military personnel on active duty, vote in 2004? Did you hear that too, or was that another repub rumor?
I remember a conversation I had with my grandfather before the election, he said “Jason, I just don’t see bush getting enough votes to win. I hate to call it in advance, but all the signs I see say it’s Kerry’s”
tto him I replied “Grandpa that’s fine, if your guy wins I have no problem saying hail to the chief.” My point was simply that it mattered to me who won, but I wasn’t going to let it change my life forever. I’m sure most of the men I served with, felt the same way.
I’m also sorry that maybeyou and I got off on the wrong foot. I probably got defensive because I felt like you were on the offensive. I can say mean and nasty things when I have to, but believe me it’s not because I want to.
Have a great day and I hope these posts provide some food for thought.

]]> By: the drop » Blog Archive » “Are brands more powerful than governments?” http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-857867 the drop » Blog Archive » “Are brands more powerful than governments?” Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:15:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-857867 [...] “Are brands more powerful than governments?” A post on the ‘Think Progress’ website shows a segment from a recent BBC report that revealed a “direct link between the tobacco companies and the claim that climate change isn’t happening.” In 1993 Philip Morris set up a “grass roots coaltion” to “cast doubt on studies showing that second-hand tobacco smoke is dangerous for health.” In order not to raise suspicion that the company was involved, Philip Morris decided to “‘link the tobacco issue with other more politically correct products’ and campaign on issues like global warming.” The result was the Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), which was the first and most important of the corporate-funded organisations denying that climate change is taking place. It has done more damage to the campaign to halt it than any other body. An article on Tobacco.org reports that: “Between 2000 and 2002 it received $30,000 from Exxon. The website it has financed - JunkScience.com - has been the main entrepot for almost every kind of climate-change denial that has found its way into the mainstream press.” The first question that opened the long and fruitful day at the Table of Free Voices seems even more relevant to me upon reading this story: “Are brands more powerful than governments?” donated by the Barcelona Forum. One of the 112 answers to this question comes from marine biologist and executive director of ANAI Benson Venegas: “Unfortunately, this is truth. The world is owned and controlled by multinational corporation. People perception is also part of this idea that people think that brands deliver immediate benefits while government take time to satisfy their needs. (….) I think at this point we need to create possibilities where we can try and get a balance of power between brands and government as well.” There are 111 more answers to this question. We invite you to use the information in our living library and read and listen to more answers. [...] [...] “Are brands more powerful than governments?” A post on the ‘Think Progress’ website shows a segment from a recent BBC report that revealed a “direct link between the tobacco companies and the claim that climate change isn’t happening.” In 1993 Philip Morris set up a “grass roots coaltion” to “cast doubt on studies showing that second-hand tobacco smoke is dangerous for health.” In order not to raise suspicion that the company was involved, Philip Morris decided to “‘link the tobacco issue with other more politically correct products’ and campaign on issues like global warming.” The result was the Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), which was the first and most important of the corporate-funded organisations denying that climate change is taking place. It has done more damage to the campaign to halt it than any other body. An article on Tobacco.org reports that: “Between 2000 and 2002 it received $30,000 from Exxon. The website it has financed – JunkScience.com – has been the main entrepot for almost every kind of climate-change denial that has found its way into the mainstream press.” The first question that opened the long and fruitful day at the Table of Free Voices seems even more relevant to me upon reading this story: “Are brands more powerful than governments?” donated by the Barcelona Forum. One of the 112 answers to this question comes from marine biologist and executive director of ANAI Benson Venegas: “Unfortunately, this is truth. The world is owned and controlled by multinational corporation. People perception is also part of this idea that people think that brands deliver immediate benefits while government take time to satisfy their needs. (….) I think at this point we need to create possibilities where we can try and get a balance of power between brands and government as well.” There are 111 more answers to this question. We invite you to use the information in our living library and read and listen to more answers. [...]

]]> By: Karim http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-855658 Karim Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:48:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-855658 Another reason why I am glad that I don't smoke. Another reason why I am glad that I don’t smoke.

]]> By: SKdeA http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854995 SKdeA Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:39:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854995 "I speak slowly, so you can take at least some of it in. Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — September 21, 2006 @ " Poor Jason, he still has to talk while he types... “I speak slowly, so you can take at least some of it in.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — September 21, 2006 @ ”

Poor Jason, he still has to talk while he types…

]]> By: ataxonamerica http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854911 ataxonamerica Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:10:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854911 What's next from the PCP induced thinkers. Farting cause global warming? What’s next from the PCP induced thinkers. Farting cause global warming?

]]> By: Jason+M.+Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854895 Jason+M.+Hendler Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:03:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854895 btru, Let's have a standing date here on this site the day after the general election, so that I can help you cope with why and how you progs blew yet another election - I speak slowly, so you can take at least some of it in. btru,

Let’s have a standing date here on this site the day after the general election, so that I can help you cope with why and how you progs blew yet another election – I speak slowly, so you can take at least some of it in.

]]> By: Arne Langsetmo http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854859 Arne Langsetmo Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:50:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854859 #7 Real Scientist: Aha. You beat me to it. I had e-mail conversations with Milloy in the early '90s on some of this stuff, and he truly is, amongst other things, an eedjit concerning statistics. And his scientific background is essentially nil as well.... But he's been at this game a long time. Cheers, #7 Real Scientist:

Aha. You beat me to it. I had e-mail conversations with Milloy in the early ’90s on some of this stuff, and he truly is, amongst other things, an eedjit concerning statistics. And his scientific background is essentially nil as well….

But he’s been at this game a long time.

Cheers,

]]> By: Arne+Langsetmo http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854848 Arne+Langsetmo Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:47:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854848 My guess is that Steve "Piece of Junk" Milloy will be found right there in the thick of things. He's about as "green" as you can be, <strong>if </strong>it's the colour on the payola he's scamming industry for to promote his (and their) whacked 'science'.... Cheers, My guess is that Steve “Piece of Junk” Milloy will be found right there in the thick of things.

He’s about as “green” as you can be, if it’s the colour on the payola he’s scamming industry for to promote his (and their) whacked ’science’….

Cheers,

]]> By: RealScientist http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854838 RealScientist Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:41:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854838 <em>#16. well, you may want to believe and the article may lead you to believe they are all the same, but the only connection, so far, is the organization exxon donated $30,000 to was set up by philip-morris. Furthermore, is it only possible that corporations falsify information for their purposes and environmental groups are incapable of falsification to further their own agenda? Comment by paul — September 21, 2006 @ 4:22 pm</em> Paul, do you think it is just a coincidence that the very well-funded junkscience.com web site specifically focuses its disinformation campaign on global warming and second-hand tobacco smoke? Do you think there is just $30K behind this web site? Milloy has been tied to both the tobacco companies and Exxon-Mobil (via the notorious George C. Marshall Institute). Are you naive? #16. well, you may want to believe and the article may lead you to believe they are all the same, but the only connection, so far, is the organization exxon donated $30,000 to was set up by philip-morris. Furthermore, is it only possible that corporations falsify information for their purposes and environmental groups are incapable of falsification to further their own agenda?

Comment by paul — September 21, 2006 @ 4:22 pm

Paul, do you think it is just a coincidence that the very well-funded junkscience.com web site specifically focuses its disinformation campaign on global warming and second-hand tobacco smoke? Do you think there is just $30K behind this web site? Milloy has been tied to both the tobacco companies and Exxon-Mobil (via the notorious George C. Marshall Institute). Are you naive?

]]> By: The Bush Awareness Report » Blog Archive » Its a Cornucopia of Corruption! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854799 The Bush Awareness Report » Blog Archive » Its a Cornucopia of Corruption! Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:29:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854799 [...] Think Progress [...] [...] Think Progress [...]

]]> By: TerrytheTurtle http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854527 TerrytheTurtle Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:32:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854527 Slightly off topic, but here's another oil company and how it spends some of its money: "CITGO Petroleum, the U.S. subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company, has earmarked 25 million gallons of fuel for low-income New York residents this year at 40% off the wholesale market price. That's enough fuel to heat 70,000 apartments, covering 200,000 New Yorkers, for the entire winter." Slightly off topic, but here’s another oil company and how it spends some of its money:

“CITGO Petroleum, the U.S. subsidiary of Venezuela’s state-owned oil company, has earmarked 25 million gallons of fuel for low-income New York residents this year at 40% off the wholesale market price.

That’s enough fuel to heat 70,000 apartments, covering 200,000 New Yorkers, for the entire winter.”

]]> By: paul http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854502 paul Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:22:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854502 #16. well, you may want to believe and the article may lead you to believe they are all the same, but the only connection, so far, is the organization exxon donated $30,000 to was set up by philip-morris. Furthermore, is it only possible that corporations falsify information for their purposes and environmental groups are incapable of falsification to further their own agenda? #16. well, you may want to believe and the article may lead you to believe they are all the same, but the only connection, so far, is the organization exxon donated $30,000 to was set up by philip-morris. Furthermore, is it only possible that corporations falsify information for their purposes and environmental groups are incapable of falsification to further their own agenda?

]]> By: RealScientist http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854386 RealScientist Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:43:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854386 So Hendler suggests that we stop talking about all the things gone wrong in this country. He suggests that we just give up. We don't need no stinkin' democracy! Just suck it up, quit whining, and let the corporate fascists ruin our lives and our planet. That is all Hendler has to say right now. Shut up, Hendler. So Hendler suggests that we stop talking about all the things gone wrong in this country. He suggests that we just give up. We don’t need no stinkin’ democracy! Just suck it up, quit whining, and let the corporate fascists ruin our lives and our planet. That is all Hendler has to say right now.

Shut up, Hendler.

]]> By: dlet http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854336 dlet Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:35:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854336 #14 Let me spell it out for you. Tobacco companies lied about their product being safe when they knew it wasn't. They used a FAKE scientific group(s) that they started to promote these lies. This FAKE scientific group(s) are using the falsifying techniques to cast doubt on global warming. Same FAKE scientific groups. Lies Lies Lies. Come on you can make the connection...come on....you can do it......come on...... #14
Let me spell it out for you. Tobacco companies lied about their product being safe when they knew it wasn’t. They used a FAKE scientific group(s) that they started to promote these lies. This FAKE scientific group(s) are using the falsifying techniques to cast doubt on global warming. Same FAKE scientific groups. Lies Lies Lies. Come on you can make the connection…come on….you can do it……come on……

]]> By: paul http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-854035 paul Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:51:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-854035 This site wants you to equate tobacco companies and oil companies. The connection is a $30,000 donation to an organization that the tobacco company set up. Of course, exxon has an interest in combating what it believes is excessive regulation on its industry. My question: what difference does it make that the organization was set up by a tobacco company? This site wants you to equate tobacco companies and oil companies. The connection is a $30,000 donation to an organization that the tobacco company set up. Of course, exxon has an interest in combating what it believes is excessive regulation on its industry. My question: what difference does it make that the organization was set up by a tobacco company?

]]> By: Jason+M.+Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-853997 Jason+M.+Hendler Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:44:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-853997 Spin the wheel again - Rumsfeld, Global Warming, Culture of Corruption ... Step right up, who will be the lucky winnuh? You start out with valid concerns, but your rehashing of the same old thing just make voters numb or worse, repulsed, by your shrill cries. Spin the wheel again – Rumsfeld, Global Warming, Culture of Corruption …

Step right up, who will be the lucky winnuh?

You start out with valid concerns, but your rehashing of the same old thing just make voters numb or worse, repulsed, by your shrill cries.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-853981 barfly Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:40:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/bbc-global-warming/#comment-853981 Rob, are they also going to extend this policy to their suppliers' workers in other countries? Now THAT would be a humanitarian effort! Or will these workers continue to labor in unsafe conditions for low wages, with no health insurance and no access to these discounted drugs? All to shave a couple bucks off the price of a toaster-oven? Let's not start with the hossannas just yet. Rob, are they also going to extend this policy to their suppliers’ workers in other countries?

Now THAT would be a humanitarian effort!

Or will these workers continue to labor in unsafe conditions for low wages, with no health insurance and no access to these discounted drugs? All to shave a couple bucks off the price of a toaster-oven? Let’s not start with the hossannas just yet.

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