“Since when is the NSA part of the London Metropolitan Police?”

They aren’t but the LMP was not single handedly responsibly for foiling the Trans Atlantic Flight plot…not even close.

By the way, if you are listening to Porter Goss, you need a new source.

As promised in Clinton’s earlier budget outline, the president’s 1,478-page plan would slash military spending while raising taxes on energy and on the income of top earners. The administration sliced an additional $1.7 billion from the military budget over five years.
Clinton counts on improvements in the economy to bring down the overall deficit by some $50 billion over the next five years. In addition, his large defense cuts, an assortment of smaller domestic spending cuts and a healthy dose of new taxes are projected to reduce the deficit by another $450 billion. But defense spending already has come down sharply. As a percentage of the overall economy, the Pentagon budget is now at its smallest point since World War II. Clinton proposes to shrink it further, cutting it from 18 percent of this year’s budget to 14 percent in 1998. Military leaders, and Clinton as well, have said that cutting any deeper than that would be unwise.
This story was published on Friday, April 9, 1993. There are the facts.

As for you blaming Democrats…”Liberals are in the mess they are in because they stand for nothing… they have no original thoughts or ideas.” I am thinking you either don’t listen to Dems or you really like the neo-con point of view.

#84 You are an utter moron. Would you like me to point out all of your spelling errors? You had better have an excuse…like you are a lush. Otherwise, I think you owe Zooey an apology for denigrating her intelligence while you can’t even spell speech.

Are you referring to the Trans Atlantic flight plot? If so then you are completely wrong….unless you think that the NSA is law enforcement. ”

Since when is the NSA part of the London Metropolitan Police?

(The most recent terrorist attempt was actually foiled, apparently at a very early stage, by nothing more than law-enforcement techniques.)”

Are you referring to the Trans Atlantic flight plot? If so then you are completely wrong….unless you think that the NSA is law enforcement.

“Give it a rest. 9/11 didn’t happen because of anything Clinton did or didn’t do”

That’s very ignorant on your part to the Nth degree. There isn’t one counter terrorism expert in the world that you could point to that would agree with you.

You will NEVER get rid of “terrorism” by waging war – you will only have a never-ending war on your hands.

(The most recent terrorist attempt was actually foiled, apparently at a very early stage, by nothing more than law-enforcement techniques.)

“And, not surprisingly, just as we know that torture doesn’t work, we know that `positive reinforcement’ does.”

I know that torture most of the time doesn’t work, but considering these suspected terrorists are trained to lie how would “positive reinforcement” work? Somehow I don’t think the hard core al Qaeda types are going to divulge anything for extra food, better treatment, or more priviledges. Our troops, if captured, are trained not to say anything for just the things you mentioned, so why would al Qaeda terrorists do the same? How do you get fight against people who disregard EVERY rule of war or law? I am NOT condoning torture, I am just asking the question about a type of enemy we have never had to, or wanted to for that matter untill after 9/11, truely deal with.

“…at least until they succeed in packing the federal courts with neo-fascists.”

Like the courts haven’t been packed with liberal judges that disregard the law and make decisions based on their political ideology. I want someone who is going to strictly interpret the constitution, not envoke what they FEEL is right at the time.

“If left standing (Republican-control), it will bring down and end the United States of America. Two-hundred and thirty years, gone.”

Now that’s some serious fear mongering!

“Many of these detainees are also crime victims: They were kidnapped off of streets in other countries, their own countries, by our CIA and taken to underground prisons and tortured.”

Totally wrong, I agree. Surviellance should have been THOROUGHLY worked thru, before nabbing these people.

“…and why the Bush-Cheney approach to the problem of terrorism is so completely off-the-mark, and guaranteed to worsen the problem, not make it better.”

You know Clinton’s treating terrorism like a law enforcement issue had ZERO results in deminishing al Qaeda as a threat. The experts all agree that al Qaeda’s capabilities have be substantially reduced since 9/11.

“Experts agree that the Bush-Cheney plan for eliminating terrorist attacks will not eliminate terrorist attacks.”

No plan will completely eliminate terrorist attacks and you are crasy if you think it’s possible. The only way to reduce the drive for terrorists to want to carry out attacks is SUPPORT democracy and political change, improve economic conditions by promoting democracy, and support free will and choice, something those in the Middle East have yet to realize. If you haven’t noticed democratic countries don’t fight with each other, however, those totalitarian regimes constantly fight with each other.

“It’s not an impossible dream. What existed pre-9/11/01 is not only doable, what existed pre-1993 (the first WTC attack) is achievable.”

I agree as long as we do the above I mentioned and stop trying to treat terrorism strictly like a law enforcement issue rather than a military one as evidence by the fact that Clinton tried this and in turn we got 9/11. FYI there were MULTIPLE terrorist attacks all around the world prior to 9/11, so this rosey picture of peace you try to paint prior to 9/11 is nothing more than a delusion.

…to make McCain “look” independent (and rebellious)…

…and to take America’s collective focus off of Bushiva’s failure…

…in Iraq…

Abdul Qadeer Khan, held as hero in Pakistan for helping to make the country a nuclear power, admitted giving away nuclear secrets in a televised confession in February 2004, exposing a global black market in nuclear technology.

Don’t worry about it, this isn’t a problem.