FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News
FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News
Today, President Bill Clinton taped an interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace, which is scheduled to be aired Sunday. He was told the interview would focus on his nonpartisan efforts to raise over $7 billion to combat the world’s biggest problems.
Early in the interview, Wallace attempted to smear Clinton with the same kind of misinformation contained in ABC’s Path to 9/11. Clinton was having none of it.
ThinkProgress has obtained a transcript of the interview. Here are some highlights –
Wallace repeats Path to 9/11 misinformation, Clinton fights back:
WALLACE: When we announced that you were going to be on Fox News Sunday, I got a lot of e-mail from viewers. And I’ve got to say, I was surprised. Most of them wanted me to ask you this question: Why didn’t you do more to put bin Laden and Al Qaida out of business when you were president?
There’s a new book out, I suspect you’ve already read, called
The Looming Tower. And it talks about how the fact that when you pulled troops out of Somalia in 1993, bin Laden said, I have seen the frailty and the weakness and the cowardice of U.S. troops. Then there was the bombing of the embassies in Africa and the attack on the Cole.
CLINTON: OK, let’s just go through that.
WALLACE: Let me — let me — may I just finish the question, sir?
And after the attack, the book says that bin Laden separated his leaders, spread them around, because he expected an attack, and there was no response.
I understand that hindsight is always 20/20…
CLINTON: No, let’s talk about it.
WALLACE: … but the question is, why didn’t you do more, connect the dots and put them out of business?
CLINTON: OK, let’s talk about it. Now, I will answer all those things on the merits, but first I want to talk about the context in which this arises.
I’m being asked this on the Fox network. ABC just had a right-wing conservative run in their little Pathway to 9/11, falsely claiming it was based on the 9/11 Commission report, with three things asserted against me directly contradicted by the 9/11 Commission report.
And I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans, who now say I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed with bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neo-cons thought I was too obsessed with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn’t do enough said I did too much — same people.
Clinton takes on Fox News bias:
WALLACE: Do you think you did enough, sir?
CLINTON: No, because I didn’t get him.
WALLACE: Right.
CLINTON: But at least I tried. That’s the difference in me and some, including all the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try. They did not try. I tried.
So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke, who got demoted.
So you did Fox’s bidding on this show. You did your nice little conservative hit job on me. What I want to know is…
WALLACE: Well, wait a minute, sir.
CLINTON: No, wait. No, no…
WALLACE: I want to ask a question. You don’t think that’s a legitimate question?
CLINTON: It was a perfectly legitimate question, but I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked this question of.
I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked, Why didn’t you do anything about the Cole?
I want to know how many you asked, Why did you fire Dick Clarke?
I want to know how many people you asked…
WALLACE: We asked — we asked…
CLINTON: I don’t…
WALLACE: Do you ever watch Fox News Sunday, sir?
CLINTON: I don’t believe you asked them that.
WALLACE: We ask plenty of questions of…
CLINTON: You didn’t ask that, did you? Tell the truth, Chris.
WALLACE: About the USS Cole?
CLINTON: Tell the truth, Chris.
WALLACE: With Iraq and Afghanistan, there’s plenty of stuff to ask.
CLINTON: Did you ever ask that?
You set this meeting up because you were going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers because Rupert Murdoch’s supporting my work on climate change.
And you came here under false pretenses and said that you’d spend half the time talking about — you said you’d spend half the time talking about what we did out there to raise $7-billion-plus in three days from 215 different commitments. And you don’t care.
Clinton on his priorities and the Bush administration priorities:
CLINTON: What did I do? What did I do? I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president, we’d have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him.
Now, I’ve never criticized President Bush, and I don’t think this is useful. But you know we do have a government that thinks Afghanistan is only one-seventh as important as Iraq.
And you ask me about terror and Al Qaida with that sort of dismissive thing? When all you have to do is read Richard Clarke’s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive, systematic way to try to protect the country against terror.
And you’ve got that little smirk on your face and you think you’re so clever. But I had responsibility for trying to protect this country. I tried and I failed to get bin Laden. I regret it. But I did try. And I did everything I thought I responsibly could.
The entire military was against sending Special Forces in to Afghanistan and refueling by helicopter. And no one thought we could do it otherwise, because we could not get the CIA and the FBI to certify that Al Qaida was responsible while I was president.
And so, I left office. And yet, I get asked about this all the time. They had three times as much time to deal with it, and nobody ever asks them about it. I think that’s strange.
Read the full transcript HERE.
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September 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmOh my f*cking god, this has made my day. It’s about time someone smacked down Fox, and I’m SO happy it was Bill Clinton.
Fantastic!!!
If this interview sees air time, I’m sure Fox will chop it to bits.
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmSmackdown, I guess its every reader to themselves, I didnt see anyone limping off the set.
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:59 pmthank goodness for Thinkprogress and the entire blogosophere. All I ask for is old-school straight talk like this.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:01 pmSmackdown? Clinton claims “And yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this. I think that’s strange.” WTF? Who had 3 times as much time? 8 years vs 8 months? Bill, who were you so busy doing?
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:06 pmI’m not an American so I don’t know the deal, but couldn’t he be Vice-President an arbitrary number of times?
Gore-Clinton ‘08
Gore-Clinton ‘12
Feingold-Clinton ‘16
Obama-Clinton ‘20
?
So you bring in the new, young guys with the idealism and energy & charisma (after Gore fixes global warming, that is) and Bill stays on as the voice of gravitas?
[I'm sorry, I just don't care for Hillary]
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:07 pmThis is the best post I’ve read here in a year. Go President Clinton!, you d’ man. Stupid (Wallace) meets the Rhoads scholar. He left you looking like an ass. What do you want to bet this will nor air or will be heavily edited.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:07 pmBEAUTIFUL
Go Bill!!
spread this transcript far and wide–Fox will cut the video to pieces.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 pmfox is running trailers, with the excerpts above, if you’v waited a year for this then you truly have a sad life.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 pmWay to go Bill Clinton!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 pm#6:
I believe that a Vice President must be elegable to take the office of President. For instance, a Split Ticket I’d love to see: McCain/(B) Clinton. If some fruitloop were to decide that McCain no longer deserved to live. He gets lucky and takes McCain out. Clinton would introduce a horrible bind in this situation: He could not fill the role of President because he is Term Limited.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:15 pmGood solid points. The public IS being played by the media – and has been played by them since at least 1988. The media LIKE being kingmakers. And one thing they like even more is to have tight races and close elections – it gives them more to talk about and it boosts their ratings.
That this leaves the country wide-open to massive election fraud and theft is an inevitable secondary consequence. It’s a lot harder to steal elections that are not close.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmLove it when Bill kicks ass. At least Bill has balls, can’t say the same about Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld Cartel.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:18 pmMike Wallace must just be dying to see what a shill Chris has become. Anything for a paycheck??
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:19 pmOMG, a President that can not only speak a complete, coherent sentence, but a whole bunch of them…and one right after the other…
Oh…
My…
God…
What a pleasure.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pm.
Now that’s that. Clinton is classey and intelligent to much for the GOP. I’d like to see Clinton and the President of Iran in a discussion. No wonder the world respects Bill Clinton and they think Bush is an idiot oh yes and a Devil aka Satan.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmI’ll bet it will be heavily edited. That’s a pretty hard knock on FOX and the Bush loyalists.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmcontext beefeater. The fact is we were misled in the “war on terror” by half truths and lies by the bush adminstration now we are in the middle of a civil war. If we are to survive as the greatest nation on earth we need to stop this infighting and find the appropriate context for our nation to focus on.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:24 pmEdited version, advance copy courtesy of Winston Smith, Ministry of Truth,
WALLACE: When we announced that you were going to be on Fox News Sunday, I got a lot of email from viewers, and I got to say I was surprised most of them wanted me to ask you this question. Why didn’t you do more to put Bin Laden and al Qaeda out of business when you were President? There’s a new book out which I suspect you’ve read called the Looming Tower. And it talks about how the fact that when you pulled troops out of Somalia in 1993, Bin Laden said “I have seen the frailty and the weakness and the cowardice of US troops.†Then there was the bombing of the embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole.
CLINTON: I tried and I failed to get Bin Laden.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmSCHOOLED!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 pmwow – my imagination makes it a very exciting and rousing exchange!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 pmcan’t wait to see it for real – and i bet i won’t even have to watch faux to do so, thanks to the internets!
“Too many OB/GYNs aren’t able to practice their love”
That’s what we got stuck with.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:33 pmJackie – did you mention the devil? Now that explains the sulfar smell.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:34 pmYou guys are great! How I miss the days when we had real leaders in office. I hope Wallace choked when Bill fed him his smirk.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:37 pmfrom the transcript:
“…I think I owe it to my fellow countrymen and people around the world to help save lives and help people see the future…”
now THAT’S what being an american is all about…
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:37 pmHE DEMOLISHED THAT PUNK!
My goodness! He even smacked him for his smirk!
Thank you, Bill.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 pmNo wonder Fox prefers to have conversations among their various hacks, and right wingers. Wasn’t it nice to have a President that could actually speak intelligibly as opposed to one that speaks in sound bites and malpropisms.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 pmHo. Lee. Crap. That was freakin’ awesome. Totally amazing. I cannot wait to watch the video, though I would assume that they’ll probably chop it up to not make them look like the tools they are.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:42 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
hot damn I do love billy boy
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:48 pmDamn. Clinton was far from a perfect president. Some of the things he did pissed me off at the time. But compared to Dubya and his pack of criminals and incompetents, Clinton looks like Lincoln, Washington, and FDR rolled into one. The guy could have a lobotomy and be ten times smarter than the buffoon who’s infesting the White House now.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:52 pmThe American only-be-president-twice thing is really really moronic.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:52 pmNo wonder the pukes hate Clinton so much, he can cut through any bullshit they throw at him. Without notes.
or an earpiece feeding him lines.
I wonder how Bush would have handled such an interview?
oh c’mon, we know that would never happen… but if it did it, just look at Bush’s interview with Matt Lauer. Just a little bit of adversarial questioning brought out his inner bully. He’d go totally ballistic if he ever got a real  grilling.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:54 pmYeah! Bill Clinton is the man! Why can’t other democrats stand up to faux news like Clinton? This country would be a better place if we had more democrats like Clinton and Gore! Those two men are true American heros!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 pmOh my f*cking god, this has made my day. It’s about time someone smacked down Fox, and I’m SO happy it was Bill Clinton.
Beautiful, isn’t it? I was reading the transcript with my jaw dropped. I couldn’t believe FAUX was stupid enough to think that they could fool or stump Bill Clinton. The guy who graduated 2nd in his law class from Yale, despite having no legacy to get him there. They’ve been worshipping the Yale C student for too long, I suppose…
If this interview sees air time, I’m sure Fox will chop it to bits.
Comment by Zooey — September 22, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
No doubt. The ‘cons believe all is fair in love and war, and that everything is ‘war’…
Still, I’m planning to email this version to everyone I know so the truth is out there FIRST…
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 pmI have an unusual thought about all this. Chris Wallace did a hit job on Fox for Bush. But, on other occasions, I’m starting to see the spark of an actual journalist in him. I think there’s a little of his father, Mike Wallace, in him.
I’m going out on a limb here and making a prediction…within 2 years, Chris Wallace is going to ask some right wing guests too many tough questions, and Chris will be fired. At that point, he’ll start a true journalistic career. He’ll never be as tough or smart as Mike Wallace, but he’ll have a go at it.
In the meantime, I find his toeing the line for Fox hard to watch…but I don’t think he’s the idiot in a suit that his co-workers are…
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:00 pmThe guy could have a lobotomy and be ten times smarter than the buffoon who’s infesting the White House now.
Comment by Frederick — September 22, 2006 @ 9:52 pm
Well said!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:01 pm“All of President Bush’s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office.” – Right on Bill. I wish you were still president. 9/11 would never have happened. We would not be in Iraq. We would not be trillions of dollars in debt. We would not have idots like Bush, Cheney, Condi, and Rumsfeld bringing down America.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 pmheh… i thought this thread’s copy was lengthy – till i read the full transcript … it’s still a record, but now i understand how hard it was to condense it even this much!
my, that was good reading! …really good to hear him say those things…
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 pmmore! more!
Yet another Fox hit job. What if, before he died and if he was coherent, Wolf Blitzer or Tom Brokaw had smeared Reagan in an interview that was billed to be about some innocuous thing. The right would start lynching people. Wallace got “emails” wanting him to attack Clinton? Yeah, from Roger Ailes.
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September 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 pmRepublican smear job in Maryland. Dems founded the KKK? Gotta love the GOP.
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That was pretty disingenuous of Wallace to say he was “surprised” about viewers wanting him to ask that question.
It’s a f’in Right Wing Network! Of course their viewers want him to try to stick it to Clinton.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:17 pmLOL
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:18 pmWhy can’t other democrats stand up to faux news like Clinton?
Comment by neopro — September 22, 2006 @ 9:55 pm
they are not given this kind of chance, for one thing…
dems are not invited on many of the shows, and when they are, it’s never better than 2 repugs to 1 dem…
it’s weird to me – i listen to air america radio all day – i have to remind myself that MOST people don’t know even a little of what i know… and the dems and progs are not allowed to get out their message to “the people”… top 40 radio doesn’t carry this kind of information… it takes extra time and effort to be informed… easier to be lazy and apathetic…
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:19 pm…
When Chris Wallace began his tenure at Fox “News”, he wished to reassure his audience that he would be fair and objective. So much for living up to the slogan of being fair and balanced.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:21 pmI think the 06 election is pretty much over tonight. We won.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:22 pmThat is, if – and this is big IF – the Dems follow Clinton’s cue
and make the first 8 months of Bush, Tora Bora, afghan to Iraq
deflection the issue.
Bushies will have no response and we will have the election in the bag.
Now that we have the transcript, Fox cannot edit this.
Clinton always, ALWAYS was the republican slasher…ripping any of them to shreds one on one and holding the whole scab of filth at bay for 8 years thwarting their every dirty underhanded incessent yelping and lying. And inspite of their wasting $100 million of taxpayers money to undermine him, they never really did. They may have finally caught him in a slip up (as anyone could against anyone if you had a $100 million to throw around), but he never had the piss poor ratings of the criminal bufoon that followed him.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:24 pm.
So glad to see this. Clinton DID try to get Bin Laden, Bush has been all talk. Bush was more interested from the get-go to oust Saddam. Bush has made a mess that we may never get out of
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:25 pmI love the Big Dog.
This is why the right wing hates him with such passion.
He is a real president. Legitimately elected, instead of being installed by Daddy’s corrupt cronies on the supreeme court.
He knows how to take on right wing hacks like Chris Wallace. He knows how to fight back.
He is the most formidable Democrat since FDR.
This is why the right wing hates him.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:37 pmDAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNN!!!!!! Will this actually get on TV? If it does I bet they edit the crap out of it.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:41 pmThat’s gonna leave a mark.
Don’t f*ck with the Big Dawg.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:44 pmRE: #11
Nope…incorrect. Re-read amendment #22 to the Constitution:
There is nothing to prevent a two term President from becoming Vice President, and subsequently assuming the office of President due to death of a sitting President as specified in Amendment 20. I don’t think Article 12 precludes this from happening (”But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States”) but that would be an interesting legal argument on original intent.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:45 pmout-FOX-ed by the best! :D
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:45 pmIf FOX runs this, is it a goldmine for Dem ads? Will it be ‘fair use’ for political ads? Damn, that’s good.
Note to Dem leaders: be more like Clinton!!
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repost from full transcript page:
Wow.
How do the kids say it? OWNED?
No wonder the pukes hate Clinton so much, he can cut through any bullshit they throw at him. Without notes.
Best. Transcript. Ever.
.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:46 pmDammit, lets try this again:
Can the dems use this for ads? Wouldn’t it be ‘fair use’?
Advice for Dems: BE MORE LIKE CLINTON!!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:51 pmWow… Bill was terrific in defending his record and also placing the blame where it belongs.
Bravo ‘the people’s B
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:52 pmill.’
BEAUTIFUL!…Good job Bill……oh and chris…’your NO mike wallace’…and NEVER will be.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:53 pmOne thing is going unnoticed and deserves to be mentioned. Former President Clinton mentions some very wealthy people, Gates, Buffett, who are supporting very liberal ideals. From the full transcript:
Hats off to them. Now, if only more of the super-wealthy can follow their lead…
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:54 pmHoly shit that was funny. Wallace needs some serious Tide, because his ass just got taken to the cleaners. My God, Bubba’s still got some spice to him!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:55 pmLiberal media my ass!!! I’m glad when, on rare occassions a liberal does get to speak his mind and does it well. The right wing media lies daily. I was happy to hear Clinton defend himself.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:56 pmNice to see former Pres. Bill Clinton stick up for himself on 9/11 smears, but he still needs to explain his association with the Bush family?! The Bush clan has completely destroyed Clinton’s legacy, but he refuses to criticise Bush Junior who told Karl Rove to smear Bill constantly! Bill is a clever politician, but he has been out-conned by Bush Senior!
Bill if you read this post, then wake the hell up, and realize the Bushes are your biggest enemy! Hillary needs to wake up too and stop helping Junior!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:56 pmDumb, dumb repugs, they really THINK they are smarter than they really are, too bad they actually believe their SPIN about themselves.
The clowns on Fox Lies Corp actually think they are smarter than Bill Clinton, so they tried to set up a normal faux ambush.
Too bad for them Clinton is THE REAL THING, not a Karl Rove creation
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:02 pmBill Clinton throws another hissy fit. It’s just like the old days.
No one has ever said the man doesn’t think fast especially when it comes to saving his own face and tooting his own horn.
The slightes hint that he’s wrong brings out his nasty temper and his enormous ego.
Go FOX!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:03 pmThank you, President Clinton! It has been a very long time. I fully expect a ‘P.T.9/11′ style dramatizational edit job. I hope they cut his (Wallace) laughter out, for his sake. That type of laugh is like the reaction when one kid punches another, and the one who got punched says, ‘DIDN’T HURT!!, then runs away and starts crying. Mr.Wallace was also rather disrespectful. Like him or not, he should be treated in a respectful manner. Democrats objected to the comments made by the President of Iran, they felt it was disrespectful. They do not like GWB, but they respect the office of the POTUS, and put their personal feelings aside, and spoke out about it. I guess the Righties are just so used to slamming everyone who doesn’t ’share’ their …values, that it was just same old-same old, and Wallace wasn’t going to change his ways, especially with President Clinton. Bad call. So the ‘interview will have to be edited to make him look better, since it won’t happen without ALOT of chopping. Republican Ranting only works when the victims aren’t there to call them on their crap. They can’t handle it. Especially when they reply honestly to the questions that are being asked to make a ‘Got’cha’ moment happen. Why lie, when the truth is so much more effective? And Righties never see it coming. And there is no ‘come-back’ for that. So it’s ‘Change the Subject’ time! It just didn’t work this time. This was the whipped cream on the Key Lime Pie of my day! :)
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:03 pmHahahahaha … Faux can dish it out … but that can’t take it! Go Big Dog!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:07 pmTruth hurts, don’t it Faux?
HUH?
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:12 pmB..B.. BUT CLINTON
/had to
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:17 pm#62 Haha, it was nice when our president could think…fast…or at all.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:26 pmAnd yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this.
And that’s the key question. Conservatives slam Clinton for missing opportunities to get OBL with a special ops strike, but Bush has had 5 years since 9/11 and the entire strength of the US military at his disposal and he claims that he thinks getting bin Laden would be a poor use of resources.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:28 pmwallace should have started out:
“Mr. President, the mind controlled cult that watches Fox wanted us to ask you….”
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:32 pmThe slightes hint that he’s wrong brings out his nasty temper and his enormous ego.
Go FOX!
Comment by Georgia
I know. I hate it when George W. Bush, or “Dick” Cheney, or Rumsfeld do that. I feel your pain…
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 pmHeh! Typical Clinton! A mixture of obfuscation, lies, and inability to answer a question directly or honestly…It is this kind of sophistry that led to him having a federal judge hold him in contempt of court….The man never learns!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 pmThe man never learns!
Comment by Exley
Lame…
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 pm#71 …and yet he was serious about bin Laden.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 pmUm, wasn’t Chris Wallace the guy who said, on national TV, that his own father – Mike Wallace – was showing signs of senility because the elder Wallace had the stones to criticize th’ Bushwhacker? No matter what else Chris Wallace ever does, he will never make up for the fact that he called his own father senile on national TV. S-C-U-M-B-A-G!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:38 pmWhy can’t other democrats stand up to faux news like Clinton?
Comment by neopro
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:40 pmI agree with that statment in your post.That’s what they really ought to do instead of going on there and trying to be diplomatic.The Dems interview on Faux news must be adversarial.
Just a little truth mixed in there. And some strategy for dems. Watching BC on FOX could be a class in how to swat down bullshit.
And when the Dems find something that works, they should stick with it, at least during every public appearence. Hammer them on IRAQ. Then diversify. Hammer them on Body Armour.
“Wouldn’t you want proper body armour as a soldier in a war?”
Hammer them on CPA incompetents playing football with stacks of the voter’s money. Hammer them on torture. Hammer them on…
Their record.
.
P.S.(O/T) I haven’t heard ‘Benedict Lieberman’ thrown around, but I think it has a ring to it…
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:41 pmExley,
#71.
I guess you have reading comprehension issues to deal with. There is huge difference between facts and….. idiots. Look it up and start watching your propaganda channel. You need your hourly dose to keep your IQ in single digits.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:41 pmOWNED!!!!! Go Clinton!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:42 pmWhen Chrissy Wallace decided that he wanted to be a journalist like his father, perhaps he forgot to watch and learn from the grand old man of profeesional journalism how to conduct proper interviews and how to show proper respect for guests. Even Joey Scarbourough once said that if he didn’t interrupt his guest after seven seconds, that he wasn’t doing his job. Good reason not to come on his show unless you bring up the subject of a dead staffer in his office.
So that’s what is supposed to be journalism? Invite a guest over to your place and humiliate him/her without offering a beverage? Chrissy, my girl, I mean boy, you have a lot to learn before you’re are even 25% as good as your father is.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 pm#71, JPark,
He was semi-serious. He did the right thing in launching the cruise missile attack against Afghanistan and the OBL-Iraqi-Sudanese Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum. He could have done more. However, hindsight in 20/20.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 pmALAN COLMES, YOU COULD LEARN A FEW THINGS ABOUT FIGHTING OFF A BUNCH OF RIGHT-WING BULLIES FROM MR. WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 pm#72, Zooey,
I don’t think it’s fair to call Clinton “lame.” I agree with you that his overly-defensive performance in this interview was exceedingly weak. But, as JPark pointed out, Clinton did make some effort to get Bin Laden, albiet ineffective and unsuccessful. But I fully supported Clinton when he launched a cruise missile attack against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the Sudan, where, as Richard Clarke and Sandy Berger said, Al Qaeda was working with Iraqi nerve gas experts at the al Shifa plant.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 pmHowever, hindsight in 20/20.
Comment by Exley
Hey Ex,
Maybe you could look into your magic crystal ball and give us an idea what rightwing 20/20 hindsight might look like.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:50 pm#82 – Once again, Ex, YOU are being lame.
Face it, sweetie darling, you got nothin’.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:00 am#80 I am not a big Clinton fan. I thought he was a pretty good pres. I also think he was way to Liebermanesque. However, put yourself in his shoes. This guy, bin Laden, is suspected in the Cole bombing. There is no proof but you suspect he is a pretty bad guy. You have the righties jumping all over you for a goddamn blowjob and claiming every foreign policy decision was driven by a desire to distract the country from the Republican witch-hunt. Ok, so, you have this guy in your sights. Clinton pulled the trigger, witchhunters be damned. He told the CIA that the guy was a target and to take him out. He made Richard Clarke the anti-terrorism czar and made that a cabinet level position. Clinton was an incredibly political animal but he was damned serious about getting bin Laden, which was NOT politically expedient for him. The guy was described as too obsessed with bin Laden by his enemies!!! He did what he could. Your boy didn’t.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:05 amI use to have a mild infatuation with Clinton. Now I realize its full blown love.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 amI am so glad Bill let him have it. Bill is a rock star and the best thing that has happenned to this couintry in my lifetime. Little biased interviewers like Wallace need this kind of feedback on air so they will try to be objective and be real reporters.
Bravo Bill!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 am#84, Oh, Zooey, I wouldn’t say that….I got you calling me “Sweetie darling…”
That’s sumthin’ !
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 am[...] I think I need to take a moment here and bask in how absolutely AMAZING President Clinton IS. In case you haven’t seen my Facebook profile, Clinton is still my president. And I know you all check Think Progress every chance you get just like I do, so you’ve already seen the best transcript ever. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:11 amIn the immortal words of The Juggernaut:
Pimp-smack your right-wing ass, bitch!
And make no mistake about it, Chris Wallace is a little whiny bitch.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:11 amUnfortunately, Fox will edit most of this in a way that makes Clinton look bad, just like the ABC docudrama. The same media lapdogs at CNN that are doing stories now on the inevitably of a US-Iran war will construct narratives from this that will try to make Clinton look insane and decidely anti-Bush, which is code for anti-American. The mythology will begin to cement itself, along with our terrible fear of being attacked by Iran. The echo chamber will embellish it and mold multiple permutations of 911 being all Clinton’s fault. Toby Keith will right a song about it that we will all be forced to stand up and sing during the seventh inning of every ball game. And we will blog and complain.
Although I think sites like TP and Media Matters are making inroads, we have to get the Fairness Doctrine back and more regualation in controlling monopolies from own the media. It’s the only way. And that means going all out to get people to the polls in five weeks. Donate money. Talk to your friends, well at least the ones that still have hope. Initiate group efforts to drive people to get their Republican mandated IDs, and drive them to the polls. This misinformation machine that exists in everyone’s homes and cars has to be dismantled soon or it won’tnfor many years to come
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 amThat’s what they really ought to do instead of going on there and trying to be diplomatic.The Dems interview on Faux news must be adversarial.
Comment by DutchHenry — September 22, 2006 @ 11:40 pm
i’m so with you on that! …every chance they get, dems should bash!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 ami mean, there’s so much ammo available – use it!
…
Hey Chris, how does it feel to get butt hammered on National TV?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:16 amLOVE IT! Everyone in the media panders to Slick Willie, never asking him tough questions, when he is asked an unscripted question, he has a meltdown. Clinton did Zero to catch Bin Laden, “Path to 9/11″ illustrated that.
Welcome to Fox News Bill! Where you don’t get the questions before the interview.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:16 amNow I realize its full blown love.
Comment by Lisa Wilson
That’s a fine double entendre…
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:17 amWhy do people in this blog even acknowledge the mashochistic right-wing douchebags who apparently live at this site?
Just ignore them and maybe they’ll have to get their masochistic jollies by actually joining the millitary and going to Iraq.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 am#94 Are you kidding me? The media has been sucking Bush ass for 5 years and attacked Clinton for more than 2 years. Never mind, you are a Fox viewer, you are too stupid to talk to.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 amHehe, I love the double entendre.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 amBill Clinton is a terrific politician, he was an amazing President, and he is ten times the leader George W. Bush ever could be. Nice to see him taking Fox and Wallace to the paint and making the whole news organization look like the morons they are. It’s true that the Bush Administration had z-e-r-o meetings discussing Bin Laden until after he crashed planes into New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania. As Clinton said, at least he did all he could to get Bin Laden, while Bush did NOTHING, and that is what led to the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:24 amSecondly, you Libs are nuts if you think this was a victorious, way-to-show-Fox, Tough-guy, moment for Clinton. He got asked a question he could not honestly answer and flew off the handle and acted like a street-punk… shaking his finger in wallaces face…Wallace was a class act (as always), Clinton was rage-filled jerk. Thanks Bill, for a video bit that will go down in history.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:24 amI love it when Clinton gives the neocons a taste of their own medicine. Listening to him speak reminds me of what America was like when we had a real president.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 am#94: Ha! He is slick isn’t he? Better than being a moron, like Bush. Of course, your argument is based on a “documentary” that is full of falsehoods and lies. Try again.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 amSadly, this interview will most likely be edited to save the image of Wallace Jr. His father must be ashamed of the man he has become. Mike Wallace could conduct a savage interview, but he was fair and direct. This little squirt doesn’t have clue what professional journalism is, let alone decency. These people are the most unpatriotic in the country today because they know better, but have sold their souls.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 am#94
Well said, Neocon …. Bill is too used to the softball questions from CNN (Clinton News Network) and CBS (Clinton Broadcasting System)….As soon as a real journalist tries to ask him some real questions about his counter-terrorism record, he melts down and starts lashing out with half-truths and outright lies…As I said, it is this colossal arrogant belief that no one may dare question him that led to his being held in contempt of court and having to enter into a plea bargain with prosecutors like a common Mafia hood on his last day in office.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 am#94: better to be slick and successful than stupid and incompetent like Bush. Of course, the basis of your argument is a “documentary” that been shown to contain multiple falsehoods and outright lies. Try again?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 amHey neocon, Kinda like the way your Chimp in Chief has to do the hand picked butt kissing crowds, rather than meeting the people face to face…
You Fright Wing whackoffs are such bloody hypocrites.
Go back to to FREEPERLAND you Knuckle Dragging Buffoon, before someone drops a house on you
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 am#100: Very funny. You want to see someone act like an idiot when asked a question? Look at the first Bush debate against John Kerry. He was like a second grader! Bwaahahaha!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 am#104: Clinton didn’t lie. Of course, it’s hard for you to tell when Georgie does nothing but lie.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 amFinally, Thank you Chris Wallace and Fox, for Asking a question that Clinton has been spared by the Gutless, we-don’t-want-to-hear-the-real-answer, media since 9.11.
Clinton want to field softball questions?…..Stick to Larry King
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 amSecondly, you neocons are nuts if you think this was a victorious, way-to-show-Clinton, Tough-guy, moment for Wallace. He got asked a question and he honestly answered it and Wallace acted like an ass just sitting there laughing…Clinton was a class act (as always), Wallace was a rage-filled jerk. Thanks Chris, for a video bit that will go down in history.
There. Now your post makes sense.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 amThe fact you neocons just can’t seem to face in the morning is that 9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH! He did nothing to stop it, except continue to read “My Pet Goat” for seven minutes. THE WORST TERRORIST ATTACK IN U.S. HISTORY HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH AND WAS HIS FAULT. He was warned and did nothing!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 amThis part crack me up!
“All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much. Same people.”
Yeah, Bill, you were a real Hawk! Osama is was glad to be out of your kravenous crosshairs.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 am#100 Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and face reality. YOUR President has lost the war on terror. How? By doing nothing to actually catch the Bastard that did this to us OBL. When I watched the towers come down again on 9/11 this year I got mad all over again. But this time, my anger is directed at the conniving, lying, incompetant, dimbulb that currently occupys the Oval Office. This country is no safer today than it was before 9/11 IMO less so because of what Bush has done to us. Is it 2008 yet?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 amExley has apparently never been full blown in love…
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 amGee Neocon (replying to #94), cant you understand you are hurting your country when you let the polarization take over your brain like it has. Clinton was not perfect, and I dont mean the Monica thing, Clinton was attempting to tackle the problem though. Bush is the same, I see flaws in both approaches but Bushes effort is far far less effective than Clintons. Neither one apprehended Bin Laden but Clintons approach did not make the USA a rogue state, a torturer in the eyes of the world as Bushes method has.
I watched as the Yanks killed their way through the Vietnam conflict, I protested with many others, but I never during that time had the same absolute lack of respect for the USA as I do now.
A pox on your house
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 amBalzar
Yeah, Bill, you were a real Hawk! Osama is was glad to be out of your kravenous crosshairs.
Brought to you by the folks who had him surrouned at Tora Bora and let him go.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 amChris Wallace is such a pig… what a hatchet job… these “news” people are really just right-wingers getting paid to distract people from Bush and the neocon destruction of our Republic… Chris Wallace the new swiftboater, sliming President Clinton, then smirking about it and laughing in the President’s face. His father should be ashamed.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 am#114,
I appreciate the offer, Zooey. But don’t you think we should get to know eachother a little first?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 amChris Wallace only did that to President Clinton because he and the rest of his ilk have been doing it to Democrats for years.
It is pretty pathetic when you got Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter standing up for the party while the rest of the Democratic leadership quakes before GW Bush, Karl Rove, Fox, and the jerks in the MSM.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 am#82 – Once again, Ex, YOU are being lame.
Face it, sweetie darling, you got nothin’.
Comment by Zooey
Actually Zooey, he did get something, but NOT what he wanted. A good look at what Fox would Look like DAILY if they did not vet their guests so much and use the ambush style of journalism to propagandise for the Greedy Ole Party.
Exley got a small dose of reality, which is the proper antidote for the GOP kool-aid. True believers are like all drug addicts, they do not want to give up their delusional lifestyle.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 amOK Neocon, President Clinton has admitted he failed to find bin Laden.
We can accept that.
However, you neocons have had six looooooooooooooooong years.
So, Where is bin Laden? Since you think you folks are so qualified to lead, why haven’t you caught him yet?
Answer that question.
You have boots on the ground in the middle east. Yet, no bin Laden.
Nada, zippo, zilch….
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:42 amBut when it’s all said and done we are still left with these words from George and why the No.1 Priority isn’t a priority and why National Security is weak and why Osama is still free — George doesn’t care and doesn’t keep his promises. Heckuva Job George:
For four and one half years, more than a single term in office, Bush hasn’t cared The decider cannot be bothered with his #1 priority.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 am…”video”… “listening”… ???
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:46 amis there video of this somewhere???
what am i missing?
#112, I agree, Necon…“All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much” and “All these neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden”
Wha? What is he talking about? WHO is he talking about??? He just throws out this lunacy with giving a single name or example…Like Hillary’s famed “Vast right-wing conspiracy” (until the blue dress turned up)… Look, Clinton did make some efforts to get Bin Laden and Saddam … But his defensiveness in this interview borders on the paranoid….
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 amYeah, Bill, you were a real Hawk! Osama is was glad to be out of your kravenous crosshairs.
Yeh it’s much better when Bush, a REAL Chickenhawk, is glad to be out of Georges mind AND crosshairs.
“I am truly not that concerned about him.”
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:48 am
Hopefully Clinton is now done trying to play nice with Bush and the neocons. These people are a true threat to the Constitution and have nothing but contempt for the rule of law, and deserve to be treated as such. It’s time to defend the Constitution and the American system, not be nice to people who are sharpening knives to stab us all in the back.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 amWha? What is he talking about? WHO is he talking about??? He just throws out this lunacy with giving a single name or example…
Well you would be wrong Exley, but thats not new now is it?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 amConservatives are always critical of President Clinton because he failed to apprehend or kill Osama bin Laden after a couple of attacks on foreign assets. But, their precious Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld haven’t had any more success, despite the motivation of the most lethal attack on our home soil. Hey, conservatives…FIVE years! All the world’s assets and troops on the ground in Afghanistan asn still no bin Laden! Oh, and when will you incompetant homeland protectors get around to capturing the anthrax terrorist who attacked our metropolitan areas shortly after 9/11/01? No wonder you support torture…you have tortured minds, tortured by George W’s incompetence.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 amI miss the days when we had a real president. Clinton represented everything that a president should be: a man of integrity, honor, charisma, and intellect.
Compare that to George “War” Bush, the worst president in history!
Bush’s war on presidential integrity:
The first president in US history to enter office with a Criminal record:
• The first arrest of George W. Bush was for theft at a hotel.
• The second arrest was for disorderly conduct at a football game.
• The third arrest was for drunk driving.
Admits to doing cocaine.
Admits to being a former alcoholic.
Was AWOL during the Vietnam war.
As President, Bush spends two to three hours a day exercising during what most would consider work hours (between 8am and 5pm). This doesn’t count his one hour lunch break. This leaves Bush with only five hours a day to work. He also refuses to work evenings and weekends.
Bush has taken more vacations than any president in history:
- As of August 2005, Bush has taken 315 days of vacation.
- In his first term, he took over six months of vacation.
- A 28 day vacation right before 9/11
- A ten day vacation during the Israeli-Lebanon crisis (Tony Blair was smart enough to postpone his vacation during this time)
- A five week vacation right before and into Hurricane Katrina.
Bush has set the record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
Prescott Bush (Bush’s grandfather) was extensively involved with and enabled the rise of Nazi Germany, and its war machine via his business interests. This has been clearly shown in recently declassified (2003) documents from the National Archives. Much of the current Bush Family fortune can be traced back (directly or indirectly) to Nazi profiteering. By working around Roosevelt’s 1942 “Trading with the enemy actâ€, Prescott Bush made $1,500,000 dollars from Union Banking Corporation which has an extensive history making money for the Nazis (for details, see http://www.debatecomics.org/assets/Sources/US_Fascism/A-2%20Fascist-Friendly%20Power%20Brokers/Roaming%20Ghost%20Case/Chapters/chap07.pdf).
Bush was bailed out of bankruptcy by his father and father’s friends numerous times.
In the new book ‘Bush on the Couch,’ psychoanalyst and professor at George Washington University, Justin Frank studies the president’s public pronouncements and behavior, along with biographical data, to craft a comprehensive psychological profile of Bush. Frank indicates his research has uncovered a man suffering from megalomania, paranoia, a false sense of omnipotence, an inability to manage emotions, a lifelong need to defy authority, an unresolved love-hate relationship with his father and the repercussions of untreated alcohol abuse.
In 1963, Laura Bush, killed her then boyfriend, Michael Dutton Douglas, in a fatal car accident. Though she was at fault for his death by not paying attention to the road, she was not charged or penalized for the killing.
Bush has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of the television.
Bush sealed the presidential records of both himself and his father.
Bush and Cheney both refused to testify under oath – or by themselves – to the 9/11 Commission.
How did this country go from having a true hero like Clinton in the white house to a douchebag like Bush? Talk about a 180 degree turn on presidential integrity! Good thing congressional election is on its way…along with a presidential impeachment!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 amif it were left up to the neocons, they would blame Clinton for Eve eating the forbidden fruit.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 amBalzar (responding to 115)
RE: Monica, I could careless what Bill does
in private, he can stick his cigar any where he wants
RE: “Clinton was attempting to tackle the problem though &
Bushes effort is far far less effective than Clintons”
Bill basically did NOTHING to prevent any major world problem
Under his watch, he ignored Genocide & Advance North Koreas nukes. The easiest decision a leader can make is to do nothing….Clinton did that for 8 years.
RE: “the USA a rogue state, a torturer in the eyes of the world as Bushes method has.”
Buddy, I could give a Rats rump about what the world thinks of my country.
Find Freedom and democracy anywhere on earth and you can bet your a** the USA had something to do with bring it there.
Did you see the UN applaud Hugo Chaves speech? That is the world body for you! Lucky I am not president. Those countries need a spaking. Cut of USA $$$$$ for a year or so, and see if the world figures out that they should be appauding the USA, not it’s marxist enemies.
RE: “I never during that time had the same absolute lack of respect for the USA as I do now.”
You may not respect the USA, but I bet your Father or Grandfather did
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 amCause we probalbly saved (or kicked) their a** in WW2.
Clinton’s got Fox boxed in, thanks to the internet and his prosecutorial questioning of Chris Wallace, who deserved it. If Fox airs the entire piece it would be quite devastating. If they do not air the whole piece, it shows that Fox is willfully disingenuous. Either way, Clinton wins. He realized very quickly he was being set up and decided to break the tables and fine china and dare Fox to stop the cameras. Very savvy and very quick thinking.
Wallace betrayed himself ethically as a journalist. Clinton had been led to believe the central topic was to be his humanitarian work. If Wallace wanted a free-form, open-ended interview, he just should have told Clinton that during scheduling and Clinton could have agreed to it or declined. No problem. What pissed off Clinton was the false pretense that was not revealed by Wallace until the cameras were rolling. Wallace should be fired, but with Fox, he will probably be promoted. As a professional journalist myself, I sincerely beg people like Chris Wallace to quit their jobs and take up organic farming or work in a DDT factory in Bangladesh. I took a whole semester in journalism ethics which cost me $1,000 for just that class and the professor essentially told me not to do what Chris Wallace did to any person you interview for a story. Thanks Chris Wallace for rubbing our whole g.d. profession into the depths of the fetid hog slop. All of us who try very hard to do our job as journalists to the highest ethical standards really appreciate it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 am“The Clinton Wars” Excerpts: How the GOP Undercut Clinton’s Efforts to Fight Terrorism
“…that details how the Republican Congress and former FBI Director Louis Freeh (who allied himself with the anti-Clinton forces) undercut Clinton’s efforts to fight terrorism. The excerpt also touches upon how after the impeachment trial, pseudo-scandal mongering by the media — including the New York Times — helped deflect public attention from President Clinton’s struggle with terrorism.”
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 amWhat would the neocons do without Bill to blame for EVERYTHING??
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 amTerrorist Attacks Bill Clinton Stopped
Just for the record, under Richard Clarke’s leadership as Czar of Counterterrorism:.
· CLINTON developed the nation’s first anti-terrorism policy,
and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
· Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through
preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
· Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
· Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first WTC bombing even though it
occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively – and successfully
- to stop future terrorist attacks.
· Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats
and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
· Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911)
The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
· Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding.
It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
· Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking
of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
· Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
· Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
· Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
· Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
· Of Clinton’s efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism:
“Overall, I give them very high marks” and “The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama”.
· Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as
he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had “correctly focused on bin Laden. [The same Bremer that lost 8 billion in Iraq]
· Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, “By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 amhaving given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him” and was the “first administration
to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort”.
Just remember, stop jawboning and make sure that everyone you know votes Democratic this time around. Put out extra effort, donate your hard earned money to these causes, otherwise you will have much more of this stuff, you will have a draft and a broken country and wars on at least three fronts, a national debt like you won’t believe and a Big Brother of a government.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 am#127,
Well, please enlighten us, Dick….To whom is Clinton referring? Who criticized him for paying too much attention to Bin Laden? Bill didn’t give us a name, so maybe you can….
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 amA lot of what’s written here sounds like you’re the victim and Clinton is doing your work for you. Big deal. The Democrats and the Liberals and the press and the media have been playing the victim, as in “Poor me!”, for much too long. First, they let the Republicans mount an attack on them and their positions or do something unjust like imprisoning at AP employee or swiftboating Kerry. Then they act surprised at the “bad” Republicans for doing this. Then they protest, calling what the Republicans do “despicable” or “dirty tricks” or “untrue” or, worse yet, as you do, “unfair”. All of which only makes you, the press and your organization look even more like victims. And so you dig your own fate. I also sense that, when you do this and ring your hands, you are hoping the Republicans will receive their comeuppance from some mysterious force, and that they will self-destruct of their own accord. The Democrats have been out of power for so long they’re afraid to lose any handhold they have, and the press and media have become so used to truckling to the Administration, it is almost a lost battle. It is important to recognize that, if you are ever to restore any semblance of dignity you have, you need to vote for the Democrats this time around, nevertheless, to balance the Republicans who have lived up to Lord Acton’s maxim: “Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Sure the Democrats are scared, timid, afraid to speak out. But act like a victim, end up like one. So go out and hit Administration hard with every legal weapon you have and then and vote for a Democrat, no matter how weak, get your friends to vote Democratically, and act to help others do the same.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 am#131 Christ neocon…read something!!! Um, other than O’Reilley.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 amFace it neocon, you got nothin’.
You can’t answer as to why your mumbling, bumbling Decider hasn’t caught bin Ladne in 6 loooooooooooong year.
Instead, you sit there beating it like it owes you money over cigars and blue dresses.
Run Along Junior, you’re out matched. Go back to FREEPERLAND with the rest of the self abusing morons.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 am# 100- Please tell me what question you are saying President Clinton did not answer. And any anger he displayed was warranted by the weaselly Mr.Wallace. President Clinton called him on his crap, and wouldn’t let him ride roughshod all over him, while he just sat there. We all know the Righties like their targets to be silent, or absent, from the ‘CONversation, that way, they have no need to concern themselves with petty little details, like TELLING THE TRUTH!! It’s much easier to get away with your lies, if no one is there to point them out. Bill Clinton is an expert on Right Wing tactics. He knew what to expect, and he was prepared for it. Trolls are just furious because he is SO damn good, and they know it. If you want a ‘pissy, angry, insistant raging, fit having maniac’, just look at GWB. Witness his latest meltdown in the Rose Garden. He was wiggin’ out! Poor thing. But we know you will never have a decent thing to say about President Clinton, we are used to it, after all these years. But come November, it is possible that you will have a whole bunch of new things to focus on, and will be able to let go of your unhealthy obsession. And I would be pretty damn happy, myself. We shall see…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 amYou may not respect the USA, but I bet your Father or Grandfather did
Cause we probalbly saved (or kicked) their a** in WW2.
Comment by neocon
And what would you think of a President that called our constitution a goddamn piece of paper? I think I would not respect such a person.
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Well, please enlighten us, Dick….To whom is Clinton referring? Who criticized him for paying too much attention to Bin Laden? Bill didn’t give us a name, so maybe you can….
Comment by Exley
Scroll back =)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 amAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. — H. L. Mencken
The light is always brightest before it burns out. Remember the salad days when President Clinton was at the helm? The economy was kicking, the world didn’t hate us quite so much, and the neocon bedroom peepers were purple with rage over the demise of “family values.” But now…. Oh, dear, now, after he fooled us once, shame on him, and then we got fooled again, and now that our military and National Guard—troops and equipment—are stretched to the breaking point, my friends, we have finally and perhaps irrevocably made the pie higher.
Let’s not forget that the millions, no, billions, make that trillions of tax dollars being or to be spent on this administration’s “foreign policy exercises” in Iraq, etc., are not just disappearing into thin air; someone is collecting all that money, and we’re not talking mere Bill Gates-wealth. We’re talking nation-changing wealth. Global market-control wealth. War is a money maker and I can’t fathom any other reason why the current administration would concoct a reason to go to war as it did. I can’t even pretend to be as well-informed as your garden variety news junkie, but I know enough to follow the money. Can you say Halliburton?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:07 amAnswering 121 LordStarFyre:
“So, Where is bin Laden? Since you think you folks are so qualified to lead, why haven’t you caught him yet? Answer that question.”
I will gladly answer it. Let use lib logic, maybe Bush is taking the Libs advice and treating him like you wanted Saddam treated under the U.N. brillient sanctions. UBL is now: isolated, his solider forces depleted by 70%, cut-off from the rest of the world, and has no communications. Then why should we invade his cave???
Look to put it simply the if UBL was killed tomorrow, Murtha, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, and their ilk would say “We got him… We won the war on terror…UBL is dead! Let us bring all our troops home tomorrow.”
The war on terror is not catching UBL… Catching him today might be the worst play we could make,(it would not shock me if we know exactly what hole he is living in.) Here is hoping UBL is the dead vermin in the War on Terrror… That is “if” he is not already dead.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 am“Did you see the UN applaud Hugo Chaves [sic] speech? That is the world body for you! Lucky I am not president. Those countries need a spaking. [sic] Cut of USA $$$$$ for a year or so, and see if the world figures out that they should be appauding [sic] the USA, not it’s [sic] marxist enemies.” — neocon.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 am—
I don’t recall Mr. Chavez asking the US for any money. You and I are shipping Venezuela more hard dollars than they know what to do with every time we fill up our Ford F-350s, SUVs and Hummers. Revenge is a dish best served cold … with lots of oil on the side.
Responding to #131: “Clinton did nothing to prevent any major world problem.” Maybe your Fox News failed to report that Clinton facilitated peace in Northern Ireland; rallied NATO to halt the ethnic slaughter perpetrated by Slobodan Milosovic; brought Isreal and the Palestinians closer to peace than anytime in the previous 20 years.
Let’s do a recall of George Bush’s major accomplishments:
1. Got a surveillence plan shot down by the Chinese;
2. Oops…North Korea has nukes and they are firing missles into the Pacific Ocean;
3. Iran is racing to get nukes and Bush is as effective as Clinton was with North Korea;
4. Iraq is a fiasco;
5. The Taliban are resurgent in Afghanistan;
6. Hezbolla is in its ascendence…
Come on! Getting Mohmar Qadaffi to step off the nuke stage, thanks to the hard work of British diplomats, does not even make Bush adequate.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 amCome back, Bill. All is forgiven.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 amIt is just and fitting that Fox’s ass got mauled by the former President of this country.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 amWeenies.
Director Louis Freeh (who allied himself with the anti-Clinton forces) undercut Clinton’s efforts to fight terrorism.
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Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first WTC bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office.
Bush II administration did try to blame the Clinton administration for the second WTC bombing even though it occured some 8 months after Clinton left office.
Bush Jr has no class, all hat and no cattle.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:15 amJeremy #11
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:16 amClinton is NOT term limited out of the office of president. The only limit is on two ELECTED terms. He is perfectly elligible to run for vice president and to serve as president if he occupies the office as the replacement for a disabled, dead or resigned president. And he could do that MORE THAN ONCE! So, running as vice president is perfectly OK and serving as president from the office of vice president is perfectly OK and replacing the president is, again, perfectly OK. Gee, I wonder how many politicians would be willing to resign as president just to let him be president again????
Heh.
I got deleted on the Clinton thread.
Personal best…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 amBTW since we are discussing CATCHING terrorists who comitted acts of terrorism…when are the repugs gonna catch the Anthrax letter “bombers”? After all it has been FIVE loooooong years after somebody mailed letters to members of the US congress…and NOBODY has been caught , just like Osama after 9-11. Running free, and the Idiot in Chief does not think about that much either.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:18 am“Did you see the UN applaud Hugo Chaves [sic] speech? That is the world body for you!
They were laughing because he was making fun of Bush and his holy roller rants, “God speaks thru me, Good vs Evil, God told me to attack Afghansitan and I did”
Really, has anyone here ever talked to God?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:18 amAnswering 121 LordStarFyre:
“So, Where is bin Laden? Since you think you folks are so qualified to lead, why haven’t you caught him yet? Answer that question.â€
I will gladly answer it. Let use lib logic, maybe Bush is taking the Libs advice and treating him like you wanted Saddam treated under the U.N. brillient sanctions. UBL is now: isolated, his solider forces depleted by 70%, cut-off from the rest of the world, and has no communications. Then why should we invade his cave???
Look to put it simply the if UBL was killed tomorrow, Murtha, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, and their ilk would say “We got him… We won the war on terror…UBL is dead! Let us bring all our troops home tomorrow.â€
The war on terror is not catching UBL… Catching him today might be the worst play we could make,(it would not shock me if we know exactly what hole he is living in.) Here is hoping UBL is the dead vermin in the War on Terrror… That is “if†he is not already dead.
Comment by neocon — September 23, 2006 @ 1:10 am”
That’s the best you can do?
After all your chest beating, that’s it?
A bunch of drooled Limbaughisms, but as usual no substance.
Face it, Bush had had 6 long years to accomplish this, and he has failed miserably. Failed!
How many corners have we supposedly turned, according to bush?
Sorry neocon, thanks for playing, but your non-answer answer was as limp and flacid as your artificial CIC.
Again, run along buttercup, you’ve got nothin’
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 amHeh.
I got deleted on the Clinton thread.
Personal best…Comment by Zooey
Bad Zoo Bad! =8^]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 am#142,
Am I missing something, Dick? I don’t see anywhere where anyone identified these mysterious people whom Bill bizarrely claims condemned him to being TOO focused on Bin Laden back in the 90s….Bill throws this claim out there but provides no examples…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 amThese despicable neocons trying to blame President Clinton for something that happened on Bush’s watch make me sick. President Clinton was the absolute best president that this country has had in my lifetime, and I have been here from Kennedy on. He was thought highly of in the world, Bush is and has been nothing but a failure and embarassment. We are diminished in the world, thanks to Bush. Bush acts like he thinks he is a combination of Tarzan crossed with a cowboy, but he really looks like a pathetically spoiled little boy whose brain has been destroyed by too much booze and coke. A pathetic embarassment, and his polls reflect that. We need to get rid of his help in this important election, and keep spoiled boy in a corner where he can’t do anymore damage to the classroom, so don’t forget to vote out Republican encumbents in this election coming up. President Clinton, I think that you worked really hard for your country and cared about ALL of the American people, and I am glad you are strongly defending yourself. These jealous neocons have put you down for too long. Please stop being so friendly to this current Administration, and start helping your party more. You don’t need them, and they still blame you because like you said : It’s the only card they have got. By the way, where is Bin Laden now? Safe somewhere, courtesy of Bush and Co.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 amHere is my video response to Chris Wallace:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBW9AVgyjFI
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:21 am#151-Zooey- You GO Girl!! ( what did you say?) Musta been ‘guuuuud’! ;)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 am#152,
Congratulations, Zooey…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 amHey, Douglas Watts, (#132)
Dude are you serious?
“his (Clintons) prosecutorial questioning of Chris Wallace…If Fox airs the entire piece it would be quite devastating.”
Wallace was doing the Questioning here, not Clinton!
“Either way, Clinton wins.”
In NO way does Clinton win on this.
“I took a whole semester in journalism ethics which cost me $1,000 for just that class ”
Journalistic Ethics???? HA HA HA HA …my side it hurts…HA HA.
Did Dan Rather take that class????
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:26 amI hope faux news decides to interview more democrats one on one again. It must have been very hard for Wallace to talk to someone other than Ann Coulter. Faux needs to start interviewing real Americans and discover that not everyone in this country is a hateful reich-wing loon. Oh, but wait, they have Alan Colmes as their liberal representation.
Excuse me, I have to drive an ax through my tv.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:26 amZooey- You GO Girl!! ( what did you say?) Musta been ‘guuuuud’! ;)
Comment by CyraBrown
Let me put it this way, Miss Cyra: Exley’s manhood remains publicly intact — for now.
0:-)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 amNeocon, you are so lame.
So you have to harken back to WW2 to get the respect from the world that you seem to think you deserve. Sorry bud, torturers do not deserve respect.
I am amazed at how small your vision is. Yep my father/grandfather did respect the US and your participation in the second world war. But… this is a different time bud, the US was in WW2 fighting the type of regime THAT YOU HAVE BECOME. You deserved respect from the world then, now.. not so much.
As for your freedom you wouldnt know freedom if it came up and bit you on the ass.
ttul
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 amBalzar
#163,
Oooo, Zooey, you little minx!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 amOkay, LordStarFyre, why did you avoid my one question? What country do you live in?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:32 am#133
#
“The Clinton Wars†Excerpts: How the GOP Undercut Clinton’s Efforts to Fight Terrorism
“…that details how the Republican Congress and former FBI Director Louis Freeh (who allied himself with the anti-Clinton forces) undercut Clinton’s efforts to fight terrorism. The excerpt also touches upon how after the impeachment trial, pseudo-scandal mongering by the media — including the New York Times — helped deflect public attention from President Clinton’s struggle with terrorism.â€
Comment by Dick — September 23, 2006 @ 12:57 am
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 am“Okay, LordStarFyre, why did you avoid my one question? What country do you live in?”
Sorry, I meant Balzar.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:37 amPatriotic Lefties, there will be social freedom for all and social justice. Join us and we’ll take care of America’s needs!
Comment by Red Wolf
Now that Is a good idea Red Wolf, Kudos!
Later folks! and have a great evening, all of you!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:39 amI didnt avoid your question neocon, I just didnt notice it. I am Canadian.
ttul
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:41 amNeocon? I live right here in the country of my Birth.
That being, the US.
The Country that used to have a Constitution that was respected by it’s Leaders (unlike what you Conservatives have shown. What was it bush called it “a god damned piece of paper”) A Healthy respect of Civil Liberties (Unlike what you Conservatives have shown, illegal warrantless wire tapping, reading private mail, etc)
And, under our last Truly ELECTED President (President Clinton) a country that wasn’t almost Internationally hated because of the bumbling missteps of the biggest Village Idiot to ever have held the reigns of power (pResident bush).
Don’t even get me started about the American economy that Dumbya and that snarling Oil Guy has destroyed….
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:41 amNeocon,
While the US did play a major hand in WWII, we did come late to the party. Like we also did in WWI. Additionally, it was the Russian Army and the losses that the Germans suffered on the Soviet front that was responsible for the defeat of the European Axis more so than anything the US did. Normandy gets a lot of well deserved attention, but it was the battles on the unforgiving Steppes that did the Germans in during the war.
One more thing. The US had a terrible habit of installing right-wing dictators in the developing world to counter communism during the Cold War. The value and merits of this action is debatable; but it doesn’t change the fact that often we have chosen to support dictators over freedom for other countries.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:41 amWe neutralize you on Social and econimc issues seince we’re anti-Globalist.
Umm why do you guys think progressives are ‘Globalists’ from what I have seen they are NOT ‘globalists’
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:44 amThats an Ivey League Elitist Ideology and not one that I follow.
In fact I see the UN, IMF, and World Bank as an extension of the Elitist Globalists. I am a working man, like many of you.
This is bad.
Clinton will look like he lost his cool after a little bit of questioning. You’ve got to always look calm and in control to play this game. No emotions.
To me, it doesn’t look like Clinton gave Wallace a beating. I think we are excited because it’s the first time a Dem said something strongly.
Because we are desperate for someone to cut through the truckloads of crap that we have been getting for years from Bush and the media, a little breakthrough feels like a huge breakthrough.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:45 am#163- Zooey- Oh My! With your ‘rapier wit’, and quick mind, he was surely teetering on a precipice that was crumbling under his feet. Talk about a ‘close one’. Brings to mind “Hedwig and the Angry Inch”. ;)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:50 amLook, this Liberal vs Conservative thing is pretty simple. We both look at the same problem and see two different opposite solutions.
The problem is that Liberals are goody goody about things, you want to talk and negotionate, through 17 resolutions on Iraq and then… have another resolution. There MUST be a time for action. You have an over optomist view on your enemies good will and you think that if you are nice to them they will not want to kill you. Guess what… WE ARE ALREADY NICE TO THEM… then they attacked us.
I truly wish I could live your Liberal La-La land, where Islamofascist did not want to kill me because I would not:
- slit the throat of my daugher if she was rapped
- force my wife under a veil, because here looks were tool of the devil.
-not convert to islam (not only Islam but their “fundamentalist view of it”
-be willing to kill other infidels.
-or basically, because I reject reverting to the 10 century.
You can not negotiate with an enemy when his starting point in the negotiation is your death.
Peace follows victory… plain and simple.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:51 amGO CLINTON and he is so right, they are all up in arms over Murdoch supporting the climate change stuff, those wingnuts are in a tailspin over it.
Wallace has to show them all what a man he is and how he isn’t like his Dad, another one they can’t stand….LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Wingnuttery is for clowns….LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:55 amNeocon?
That sounds like one of the platitudes that Hitler used to spew.
Oh well, birds of a feather…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 ambeefeater: “Bill [Clinton], who were you so busy doing?”
Perhaps he was balancing the federal budget, trying to secure a comprehensive peace between Israel and the Palestinians, or seeing to it that Yugoslavia would have a peaceful transition as war criminal Slobodan Milosevic fell from power.
The better question is, what were you so busy doing back in 2000 — that is, besides going apoplectic over some element of your own BS that you and your right-wing friends talked yourselves into believing?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:58 amPeace follows victory… plain and simple.
Comment by neocon
Come november son, Come november.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 amBalzar
“I didnt avoid your question neocon, I just didnt notice it. I am Canadian.”
Canada, eh, Congrats on living in the safest country on the planet.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 amGoodnight all!
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:04 amProgressives aren’t Nationalist since you guys belove in all that peace and one world junk. We belive in the natural order of the universe, the Predator and the pray!
Comment by Red+Wolf — September 23, 2006 @ 1:51 am
Here’s a thought…Learn to spell first. Then you can conquer the world.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:07 amneocon: “Peace follows victory… plain and simple.”
Just like stupid follows ignorant.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:07 amThe neocon trolls blocked Clinton because they needed someone who would let them sell-out our nation, rob us blind while they grossly enriched themselves. They couldn’t do that with Clinton stopping them.
They lie like motherf*ckers. They had to wait and find a time to get MITRE employed.
We currently have no national defense. Not with foreigners taking our jobs inside and outside our nation and Israel handling our phones whereby they collect all of our personal information. This is a bigger problem than bin Laden. Isrealis are breaking us financially working within this administration and within this nation on all levels.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 am“… kravenous”…?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 amWhat’s “kravenous”? Is that some French Tunisian slur or something?
Red+Wolf, ah, that’s nice.
So do you guys walk around “Zieg Heiling” each other, all dressed up in those nifty S&M Uniforms?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:13 amUnfortunately the meaning of Nationalist to you guys usually means this or this.
You wingnuts are very dangerous…
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 amProgressives aren’t Nationalist since you guys belove in all that peace and one world junk. We belive in the natural order of the universe, the Predator and the pray!
Comment by Red+Wolf — September 23, 2006 @ 1:51 am
All the neocon wolves have to go:
Wolf Blitzer – neocon mouth
Paul Wolfowitz – architect of Iraq war for Israel now at World Bank spending our money
Stuart Wolff – robbed teachers of pension and wrote into his company articles that when he robs hundreds of millions from stockholders his attorney’s fees will be paid by stockholders and he’ll do no prison time for treason
All neocon Wolves need their asses in prison or exiled.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:17 amGosh, How I miss him as President. I HATE fox so I won’t be able to watch it, so thanks for the transcript.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:25 amReminds me of the old days, when we used to elect smart people.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:29 amreply to # 127 –
Could it have been the neocon Israeli-lover Paul Wolfowitz? He headed the DoD and now spends our money on killing Iraqis as head of Washington-based World Bank. Just a guess.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:29 amInteresting to note that neither Clinton nor Bush wanted that blowjob of a movie Path to 9/11 aired. Both considered it propaganda and misinformation. Who wanted it aired? Only the pro-Isreali neocon trolls.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:32 amThe neocon trolls blow you before they f*ck you. That’s why neither Clinton nor Bush wanted Path to 9/11 aired.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 amclinton rocks! and how refreshing! cheney and the neocons and their frontman w don’t hold a candle to clinton. intelligence, policy, diplomacy, no comparrison. sorry republican douchebags, your leaders and ideas are utter failures. hopefully the dems will get subpoena power come january and have the balls to agressively bust these mofo’s chops. i’m not counting on it, but a boy can dream right?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:43 amI heard that the Yanks are going to build a fence to keep the Canadians out =))) I am for that as long as it keeps yanks down there, we dont want them up here.
Nice … and the american taxpayer gets stuck with the tab.
Haha you guys are priceless.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 amIt was clear that Chris Wallace had set up a trap for Bill Clinton and shamelessly acted as a lapdog and hatchet man for Fox and the Bush Administration. Smirking and laughing, Chris obviously thought that he did a good job, but he merely unmasked himself as a paid political propagandist disguised as a broadcast journalist. I wonder what his father Mike Wallace thinks about his son for tricking Mr. Clinton. Shame on you, Mister Chris Wallace!
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:48 amI have seen Bill Clinton speak in person, he is commanding, intelligent and like someone said previously “a rock star”.
This crushing of Chris Wallace was abosolutely beautiful!! I can’t WAIT to see it on television! When you have a man who comes from the background he has and has WORKED his way to where he got, instead of relying on daddy’s money…THAT is the true American Dream.
Bill you are a true hero in my eyes, and I hope you continue with your humanitarian efforts. I also hope that w/ the next president whether it be Repug or Democrat – please work w/ them to help them get our country back to the way it should be.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:57 amClinton does something that our current President could never do: he admits his failure to solve the problem of Bin Laden. He also lists the steps he took to do it, and apparatus he left to the next administration to accomplish that goal. In the lion’s den, under those lights. In an unscripted interview, faced with questions like that, how would President Bush have fared? Who is this half-man Chris Wallace?
If you’re going to call up the grand man himself under the pretense of discussing his initiative on global warming, and then start with this nonsense, you deserve to get bitch-slapped.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:14 amDick, the Progressives are Pro UN and sympathize with enemy regimes like Iran.
Actually I think the UN needs to be reformed AND moved to a different geographical location. The brothers of the UN are the IMF and the World bank. As you know Wolfowitz is now heading that ‘Paris Club’ Worldbank and well that’s never a good thing when Wolfowitz is behind the wheel. So I am not what you would call Pro-UN.
I don’t sympathize with enemies. Iran so far is not an enemy has been in compliance with IAEA and the UN and have not attacked the United States nor has war been declared on Iran. I am not for this Iran war because Bush railroaded us into a misguided war and this looks to be another ‘courseless’ war [Iran] if it does begin. Bush may just be crazy enough to lob some nukes, who knows.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 amwow…so nice to hear a real President speaking. I had almost forgotten what it is like to hear an intelligent and powerful man express himself and hold his own space. People forget that if it weren’t for the 22nd amendment he would still be President. Can you just imagine junior Bush debating Clinton? LOL I liked his reminder of how much he really did again OBL. Let’s face it, the CIA still didn’t know who was behind the Cole, yet he targeted him based on good judgement. And it was the CIA who failed to kill OBL after all. What was Clinton supposed to do, go track down OBL personally? Remember when he sent out the Cruise missiles to kill him, and the Repugs all cried “wag the dog?” Oh yeah…sure…NOW we’re really going after OBL, or…actually just who ARE we going after in Iraq? Is Bush really doing anything at all except reducing taxes for the rich and screwing up the Court system? Oh yeah, that’s right…he also needs to start Armageddon. Maybe Iran will do the trick…
John
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 amDamn that 22nd Amendment
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 amI so love how quick on his feet Cliinton is. Can you even imagine the shrub thinking fast enough to answer any unscripted question in coherent english with coherent thoughts? Besides which no good answers are available to the present administration. God I miss Clinton.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 amBush is the asshole who did nothing to really fight terrorism. Instead they used it to trick us into a war. Bush and Cheney ignored all the warnings and did nothing….they did nothing….that is what matters. Bush, Cheney try to blame Clinton when the world know perfectly well the right wing financed the conspiracy to take Clinton down for his personal affair. For two years the right wing scum enthralled the country is their bullshit. I am sick of these lying bastards.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 amPeople like beefeater swallow the neocon planted lie that Bush had 8 years to catch Bin Laden when he conveniently forgot that it was a Republican controlled Congress who dogged him at every step and denied for political reasons every security measure he tried to bring forth. Measures they so quickly support when one of their own got “elected”. What a bunch of hypocritical idiots!
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 amIs Bush really doing anything at all except reducing taxes for the rich and screwing up the Court system? Oh yeah, that’s right…he also needs to start Armageddon. Maybe Iran will do the trick…
They are indebting Iraq to the IMF and Worldbank at the expense of your tax dollars..the same will go for Iran if Bush decides to attack it, Lebanon will also likely get some ‘conditional’ loans and also indebt it up to it’s eyeballs. Naw Bush doesn’t really want armageddon, his cronies would never allow him to destroy the world, no profits when all the people have sunk to hell our wafted off into heaven
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 amWe were all a lot better off with Bill Clinton in charge than
we have been under Bush.
We did not inspire worldwide hatred towards us, under Clinton.
Chris Wallace set Clinton up.
Chris Wallace is a jerk, Clinton was right to be annoyed.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 amSome years back, when Chris Wallace was at NBC, he got annoyed at a member of the TV crew who kept calling him “Chris,” and told the crew member “Call me Mr. Wallace.” The crew member shot back, “Mr. Wallace works at CBS.”
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:41 amHis attempted sandbagging of a former President shows that there’s still only one Mr. Wallace, and he’s not on Fox.
Just wait Lefties when The american Nationalist-Liberatarian Front emerges, you’ll miss the days of Neocaons and Religious Right as your opponents. We neutralize you on Social and econimc issues seince we’re anti-Globalist. The difference is we’re going to take care of America first and tell the rest of the world go screw off!
Where can I get some reading material on this ANLF, is there like a website or free online books?
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:01 amBTW I have never called myself a ‘leftie’, you might wanna chill on that ‘grouping’ thing I don’t do ‘groups’ but am interested in your Ideas and how you can make this work, Seems you guys, to me, have left out some planning;
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Declare war on Iran.
Obliterate, from high altitude and long distance, all known Iranian military assets, all Iranian government buildings, all Iranian mosques and madrassahs, and the residences of all Iranian leaders, imams, clerics, and government officials. Hit these targets when they are most likely to be occupied (e.g., mosques during the day and residences at night). Do not send soldiers in on foot, except as necessary to identify targets or gather intelligence. We do not need to send soldiers in on foot to fight, and it would be immoral to do so. We have many big missiles, fast planes, and good bombs, and we should use these liberally while building bigger, faster, and better ones. (As to innocent non-Americans, such as Iranian children, who would be killed in such a campaign, they are not properly the concern of our government.
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I’m guessing you have military experience in ordinance and planning? Logistics of fuel, pilots, aircraft, carriers etc etc
FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS ITS BEEN SO INTERESTING TO SEE WHITES FIGHTING WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE TIME (I WASN’T HERE FOR MCCARTHY ETAL). WHITE HUMANITARIAN AND INCLUSIVE DEMOCRATS ARE AT A LOST. THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH A VITRUL UNIFIED HATEFUL GROUP OF WHITE POWER IN THIS COUNTRY.
IT’S FUNNY TO ME, BECAUSE FOR SO LONG BLACKS AND OTHER GROUPS HAD BEEN THE OPPONENT. WE ARE USED TO WHITE AMERICA’S HATE. WE KNOW HOW TO FIGHT BACK.
SO FINALLY CLINTON HAS HAD ENOUGH OF ROVE’S B@LLSH!T. I HAD ENOUGH OF IT AS I WATCHED THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO HIS FIRST INAGURATION ADDRESS IN ‘92.
WE TRULY MAY SEE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS, IF THINGS KEEP SPIRALING DOWNWARD.
FOX, HANNITY, COULTER, O’RIELLY, LIMBAUGH ARE A MICROCOSIM OF OLD FASHION MAIN STREAM WHITE AMERICA BOTH HISTORICALLY AND TODAY. IT IS A MALIGNANT GROUP OF HUMAN BEINGS CAPABLE OF PURE EVIL, FROM GENOCIDE, SLAVERY, BIGOTRY, ETC.
IT HAS TERMED A NEW LABEL “LIBERALS” OR “LEFTISTS” AND IT IS USING OLD HATE TACTICS TO WAGE A WAR HERE IN AMERICA AGAINST FELLOW WHITE AMERICANS.
HILLARY, BILL, AL, KERRY, ETC. ARE IN A WAR. I HOPE THEY REALIZE THAT THEY ARE FACING A NATION OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE NATURALLY PREDISPOSED TO HATE.
YET THEY STILL HAVE ONE WEAKNESS. THEY SEEM TO STILL COWAR FROM AN OUTRIGHT LABEL OF BEING A RACIST. NONE OF THEIR LEADERS HAVE STOOD UP TO IMPUNIZE THAT LABEL -”I’M A RACIST AND I’M PROUD!” -SO, THE DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, MODERATES, AND ALL OTHER GOOD LOVING PEOPLE MUST DISCLOSE ANY FACTS THEY HAVE THAT SHOW THIS HOMOGENOUS PARTY TO BE WHAT WE KNOW IT TO BE. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THEM TO ABANDON THE NATIONAL WHITE PRIDE THAT IS THE GOP.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE LOWEST POINTS IN THIS NATIONS HISTORY. WE HAVE A MURDEROUS COWARD IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAS THREATENED TO USE NUKES, AND HAS HIS FINGER ON THE BUTTON. ONE TERRORIST ATTACK AWAY FROM LAUNCHING NUCLEAR WEAPONS AGAINST WEAKER COUNTRIES.
I AM SO ASHAMED OF VIRTUALLY EVERY GOPER I SEE.
ON THIS DAY, MAY GOD BLESS THIS NATION ESPECIALLY.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:13 amAre you some of you people idiots?
Clinton lied to the American people under oath. He’s just as despicable as Bush and his idiot cronies.
What the hell has happened to this country. We have extremists running it and we have other extremists wanting more liars in charge.
I wish there was no such thing as left wingers or right wingers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 am? Clinton claims “And yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this. I think that’s strange.†WTF? Who had 3 times as much time? 8 years vs 8 months? Bill, who were you so busy doing?
Comment by beefeater — September 22, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
Bush has not had 8 months to find an kill Bin Laden, he has had over six years. He wasn’t trying to do anything about Bin Laden in early 2001, even though he had Richard Clarke acting like a “man with his hair on fire” about al Quaeda. And he hasn’t done much to find bin Laden since then, unless you count Tora Bora.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 amYes, Clinton lied but he did not lie about war and killing innocent people for no reason! Bush has lied and lied, not about a blue dress but about the deaths of 3,000 soldiers, 100,000 iraq’s, and a war that we now know had no cause. Suffer the innocent children, you are a bastard!
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 amBush has lied to the american people under oath as a president.! He has done more damage to our world then any other president in history!
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:52 amAt least Chris Wallace got one thing right. He called Bill Clinton ’sir’.
Actually he did something else, too. He let Bill Clinton go rings around him and show him up for what he truly is…daddy’s boy in the newsroom.
There’s another daddy’s boy but his term of office can’t come to an end too quickly for most Americans.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:00 amBush lied and many people died. Clinton wanted to get Bin laden. but he did not torture
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 am#228 “I’m guessing you have military experience in ordinance and planning? Logistics of fuel, pilots, aircraft, carriers etc etc”
Actually, he does suggest the only plan that might actually work, which is genocide (well, killing off at least 10% of the population). That wolf guy seems kinda genocidal to me.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 amReading more closely, Red Wolf seems to have many of the signs of a sociopath. Hence I haven’t responded to him.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:10 amCan Clinton explain then, why he let bin Laden go when he had him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk
Perhaps he was, erm, busy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMwizREAsc
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 am#230
While I groaned a bit when someone said Clinton had integrity (in most things yes, but he’s certainly shown some shortcomings), the sad truth is he’s by far the most effective president we’ve had in several decades (certainly longer than I’ve been alive).
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:14 amNOW THAT SHOULD BE ON PAY PER VIEW — Nice to see a Smart DEM with BIG BALLS. THANKS BILL
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:15 amYou cannot compare lying about a personal matter to takinking the world to war! Bush has surpassed shock. He needs to resign just like Nixon.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:18 amPersonally I didnt like Clinton (voted for him in 1992, Libertarian 96,00,Kerry 04 )However personally and professionally Bush couldnt carry this man’s Jock Strap literally and metaphysically. Sad to say the ‘exhaler of the cannibus’ did more to protect America than the Radical Neoconservitive Chickenshits (RNC) and Genuinely Obtuse Profiteers(GOP) combined. Jeffersonian Democracy died Nov 1963. “Fascism will come to American with the Cross wrapped in Old Glory” Sinclair Lewis Orwell predicted this shit 70 years ago.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:20 amRead the fox interview with Clinton and Chris Whallace! Clinton kicked his ass! Triple!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:22 amat least clinton stuck to governing his own country and didnt want to make america the big brother of the world. bush is going to be america’s downfall — the rest of the world (apart from asskissing blair, and he’s on his way out too now) is not going to stand for this much longer
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:23 amWhy the hell isn’t anyone mentioning cut and run RONALD REAGAN?
After 241 marines were murdered, he simply left, taking no retaliatory action. In fact, our marines were barred by the Reagan Admin from even carrying live rounds.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:23 amBottom line, Clinton did every thing in his power to go after Bin Laden! It is documented. We now suffer a decider, dictator who is really stupid and a bunch of really evil people who are directing him! That is the truth and we are at a turning point in history! Neo cons , see the truth!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 amRed+Wolf is just drunk > he even slurs his writing, so ignore the fascist!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:39 amMy god this man is mad ! We could be on the brink of world war three because we are all sitting by and lettining him do what ever he wants, I.e. torture. We, Americans do not believe in torture! He must be made to resign, NOW!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:40 am“In fact, Rice overlooked al-Qaeda in every public speech she made between Jan. 20, 2001, and Sept. 11, 2001, a Nexis search reveals. Even stretching all the way back to early 1993, when the World Trade Center was first hit, Rice mentions al-Qaeda not a single time in any speech, article or media interview.”
By comparison, she cites Iraq more than 1,000 times from 1993 to 2001.”
http://www.antiwar.com/sperry/?articleid=9705
The truth is, and I’d hope Clinton and other would point it out that the neocons had a good day on 9/11, they got their new pearl harbor so that the agenda could be started… their own words for christ sake. Own words.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:12 amSince atleast 1998 the neocons wanted Clinton to do something about Iraq:
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23024&hd=0&size=1&l=e
Another good read:
A History of Clinton, Bush, and Terrorism
http://contentoverpresentation.blogspot.com/2005/01/history-of-clinton-bush-and-terrorism.html
One of the many entries:
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:16 amJanuary 2001: Outgoing Clinton officials say “The Bush team thinks we’re obsessed with terrorism”.
The Fox Busheviks flip out on TV when the are challenged. Same reaction by FOX shills when Wes Clark hit them back – that pretend giggling. One good thing – Cheney watches FOX exclusively – hope he sees it a seethes.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:17 am9/11 happened on BUSH”s watch. end of story. No matter how Rove(r) tries to spin history, 9/11 was a monumental failure of George Bush’s egghead government. A single bullhorn was Bush’s response. Now he is wagging a dog since he is runnin scared. And I am on Medicare without health care, disabled in America, a casuality of war…..
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:24 amVote Balance on National Housecleaning Day- thank you.
I would give my FIRST BORN to see someone do this to Bush, without his earpiece, without Rove, without Cheney..He would fold in the first twenty seconds! Clinton rocks!!! The Republicans can never take this from him no matter how much they try. ENVY IS GREEN!!!! I BET bUSH WOULD LEAVE THE STAGE CRYING FOR HIS MAMA!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:29 amAnyone posted this interview on Youtube yet?
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:33 amGO BIG DOG!!!
YEEEEEEAH!!!!
That’s MY president!
(and btw.. Happy 60th year,Bill!)
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 amIf you cannot vote Democrat on the day, vote Independent. The Republicans have shown how “Moral” they are with torture, how “Honest” they are with K Street, and how “Responsible” they are with the deficit. Remember, there is no law in America that says you have to vote Republican or Democrat, you can vote for the smaller candidate you like and if enough people do that, you might just end up with a government.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 amOh yeah, and tell me, if they hadn’t pushed through a amendment after FDR to restrict how many terms a president could stand for…
Would Bill Clinton be up for his fifth term in 2008? The guy is honestly, very impressive.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:37 am[...] Chris Wallace attempts to spread lies about the buildup to 9/11 by blaming Clinton to his face and Clinton responds in force. Beautiful! Think Progress » FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News Permalink [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:39 amClinton should have said, “You get emails from viewers requesting to ask why I didn’t get bin Laden? Prove it. Show me those emails.” Wallace got emails alright–from Ailes.
The GOP is in deep trouble if all they have is “It’s Clinton’s fault” and “Joe Lieberman” to give voters in November.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:07 amExcellent job, Bill! Wallace well deserved it. I can’t help but think about Ahmadinejad’s interview and how Wallace bullied him. The Iranian showed great tact and finally came up on top. I recommend you watch the original video that aired on Cspan and not the heavily edited Fox one.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:13 amCall it what you will…owned, smacked down, etc. I think this transcript of Clinton came off badly for the ex-Prez. His resorting to anti-NeoCon speak and accusing media bias stings of his wife’s “right-wing” conspiracy tripe a few years ago.
If nothing else, we now have a usually steadied man resorting to insults and name-calling rather than deducing logic. It’s not that he evades the question, but rather refuses to answer due to Fox apparently being a shill for neocons and conservatives. True or NOT…you’re being asked an honest question and you AGREED to go on the show.
Don’t feign hurt now because you don’t like that line of questioning. True or not…it sounds like you expected this. Point is, Clinton came off badly to the whole world.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:14 am“And you’ve got that little smirk on your face. It looks like you’re so clever…”
Clinton should have smacked that smirk of that punk’s face! How did Mike Wallace ever produce such a whiney little smart-ass?
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:30 amOne might think FOX would want Clinton talking full time about his $7 billion dollar project instead of the constant reminders of the failed Bush Middle East policies. Iraq is an abject failure and will be Bush’s legacy–that’s not Clinton’s fault. On September 12, 2001 Bush had the whole world on his side on the “war on terror” it’s a shame he took the advice of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and decided instead to make terror a political issue, divide our country, then turn the world against us.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:32 amWhen Chris Wallace began his tenure at Fox “Newsâ€, he wished to reassure his audience that he would be fair and objective. So much for living up to the slogan of being fair and balanced.
Comment by Erroll — September 22, 2006 @ 10:21 pm
Let’s keep something in mind: we are all capable of being influenced by our environment. When one works with a certain type every day, what seems “fair and balanced” undergoes little shifts in the direction of our co-workers’ point of view. That is as inevitable as wanting to find common ground–any common ground–with our employer. A television journalist wants his stories to be aired and develops an uncanny sense of what will and won’t be seen. He reassures himself that HE is fair and balanced, so it is genuinely important to get his stories on the air, if only to balance the out-and-out Republican rip-’n'read of a Brit Hume.
Somehwere inside Chris Wallace, I believe there is probably still a real journalist, struggling to break free.
Someone else mentioned that this seemed like the good old days. I define the “good old days” as being when we thought Dan Quayle was the dumbest person we had ever elected to high office and Spiro Agnew was the crookedest. Those were simple times, children. Quayle sounds like a college debating champion next to Bush; Agnew looks like a petty shop-lifter next to Haliburton Dick.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 amAs we would say shooting eachother up in a videogane:
PWND!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:51 amThe interesting thing to me about Clinton’s remarks and the reaction it produces here among bloggers is this:
All the guy did was tell the truth (of what he feels and believes), and pointed an orderly set of facts (which are readily verifiable and documented), and let the viewers see the partisan-mouthpiece shrivel on live tee-vee. He responded with straight-talk and honest indignation about an assault to his record and his character. What the hell is magic or charismatic about that?
Now why can’t over Democrats do that?
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:05 amHe should have asked Clinton about the embargo that killed a half million Iraqi children — the deaths that Madeleine Albright said were “worth it” on 60 Minutes, the deaths that were one of 3 primary motives for the 9/11 attacks.
Bush is a monster, but Clinton has his own body count to answer for. Put them both in orange jumpsuits.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:06 am: ) Owned by clinton.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:15 amTo all you goobers who say that FOX will edit this: whoever said this is the correct transcript anyway? If you look at the longer version it still says “rough transcript.” Any monkey can type some Bill Clinton slam dunk text and then later claim that FOX edited the video and played what they wanted to make themselves look good. I’m no Bush apologist but seriously, get a life, people!
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:20 amGo Bill!! Remember when we had a President who was eloquent and intelligent. I long for those days.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:21 amWhen I hear all the current crying and whining about how Hugo Chavez “said bad thing” about President Bush, I remember all the bad things “people” like Chris Wallace had to say about the sitting President Clinton.
Remember? “He’s a rapist” “Bill and Hillary are murderers”
George Bush was going to bring honor back to the White House. Let’s just look at what we’ve gotten instead.
Last night’s Hannity Radio show brought the first time I heard Hannity go speechless. A caller, just a regular sounding guy, was mad about the way Chavez dissed President Bush. He said “I didn’t agree with President Clinton, but I’d never disrespect him, right Sean? Sean..?”
Hannity was busy swallowing his lying tongue.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:25 amInterviewers, please take note: When interviewing former president Clinton, keep in mind that he’s smarter than you are.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:28 amChris Wallace is the kind of bullshit son you hope you never have:
Um, wasn’t Chris Wallace the guy who said, on national TV, that his own father – Mike Wallace – was showing signs of senility because the elder Wallace had the stones to criticize th’ Bushwhacker? No matter what else Chris Wallace ever does, he will never make up for the fact that he called his own father senile on national TV. S-C-U-M-B-A-G!
Comment by Dave+von
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:29 amInterviewers, please note: When interviewing former president Clinton, keep in mind that he smarter than you are.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:33 am‘Rhoads scholar’
It’s for sure you’re not a Rhodes scholar, stereotypical drooling amerikan moron.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:34 amWhere is FDR when you need him ?
We need CLINTON for FOUR MORE YEARS
Even my 401K and my Gas tank want me to vote for Bill !!
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:40 amOne thing I don’t see in the transcript that Clinton should have brought up was the fact that when he did launch strikes against al-qaeda camps in Afghanistan and Sudan, the Republicans in congress howled. The Repubs said Clinton was just attacking these unimportant nobodies to distract attention away from the *really* important business: the Monica Lewinsky scandal…
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:42 amOne step forward, but still thirty steps behind. Bill is the lesser of two evils but by no means clean as a whistle. Bill’s biggest regret is that he allowed himself to service the cause, which led up to 9/11. If it were entirely up to him he wouldn’t have been involved at all. None the less he’s part of the group and can only push/defend the issue so far. They know this and this is the reason they have openly attacked him. The next/ultimate expendable is the idiot child Bush who is too stupid to realize they’ll take him out in a second; when and if necessary, they’ll throw him under the bus.
It was the Bush camp that terminated the Cole investigation. John O’Neil was getting too close to the group of patsies who were already trained and plugged into the 9/11 plan. They couldn’t risk exposure and they didn’t have time to reorganize before the big day. They underestimated O’Neil’s effectiveness and singular good-standing with the Yemeni officials. Ambassador Bodine was then instructed to prevent O’Neil from re-entering Yemen to conclude his investigation. Kroll Associates then guided O’Neil to his final position and death at the WTC.
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS, OUTSIDE OF THE BUSH ORGANIZATION AT LARGE, FOX IS THE LARGEST SINGLE MOST THREATENING AND DETRIMENTAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES.
Now, in desperate times, ABC/Disney is trying to bring up the rear and has openly declared themselves of the same ilk. Everyone else, perhaps save Oberman, is just a pathetic whore who’ll do anything to keep their jobs and not controvert the corporate message, which is the money stream and the method of payback the Bush administration uses to enlist corporations and others as bed partners.
You want answers about 9/11? Follow the freakin money. That’s all you need to do. How did they enlist so many and why are they still silent? They poisoned them with money. Lot’s of it. Like all the CIA contractors they had spread all over industry, both to assist in stealing money and providing a platform. Where do you think most of the looted Enron booty ended up? It’s the same with AA and UA. They were all infiltrated. It’s all there. Just follow it through.
If you want to put a stop to it then just boycott those corporations who advertise on all the networks. Don’t buy their products and you’d be amazed at how fast the world stops turning for this administration.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:43 amHmmm. Bill Clinton said he tried and failed.
And Geroge Bush can’t even SEE his own mistakes. It’s really a question of character.
Why won’t these people WAKE UP???
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:44 amBill Clinton’s presidency, hence the US government, was being attacked from within by the right-wing’s attempts to overthrow him. The right-wing is responible for interfering, during the 8 years Clinton was president, with the country’s ability to handle the terrorist threat by distracting our leaders with made-up scandals and witch-hunts that had nothing to do with the well-being of the nation. They are the real traitors.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:45 amWhy won’t these people WAKE UP???
They are awake, thats the problem ….. they just don’t care.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:47 amDuring the Clinton Era, many progressives criticized Clinton for being too centrist, and I was vocally opposed to Clinton’s compromising attitude when it came to social programs, labor, and education.
We might be on the verge of seeing a new, improved, and angrier Bill Clinton, thanks to the likes of Chris Wallace and other GOP media pundibots. Frankly, I am happy they tried to ambush him. Bill is now on the offensive.
(I noticed that many of the state-level GOP fundraisers and rallies are closed to the media. WTF?)
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:49 amClinton lied. About a blowjob. Did he lie to the American people about it? Yes. And obviously, a majority of the American people found themselves capable of forgiveness.
Did he lie on the set of Faux News this week? Not one bit.
Now, has Bush lied under oath? Not yet, but that’s only because he’s avoided being under oath. But he’s lied from day one, and will do so under oath if required by a Democrat House or Senate.
Bottom line: Clinton did everything in his power to fight terrorism and get bin Laden. Even the most ardent Bush apologist cannot say the same thing about his boy.
One last thought: There was a time when bin Laden was the central front in the war on terror. Clinton’s efforts were aimed at taking him and his network out, as one would surgically remove a tumor. Bush’s efforts were much broader and rolled into the messianic belief that he was here to make the Middle East democratic. In that way, he essentially stuck a fork in the tumor and it spread. The cons are right when they say the central front in the war on terror is the middle east….but it wasn’t always so and it didn’t have to be that way. A quack doctor allowed the cancer to metastasize.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:54 amThe intellectual contrast between Clinton and Bush Jr. is overwhelming. I had forgotten that our country once knew a time when the office of President was reserved for Statesmen.
Mr. Wallace, you got your ass handed to you on a pillow.
Thanks, Think Progress. I appreciate the transcript. I’m sending it to everyone in my address book. It is time to blow the lid off the right wing spin machine, once and for all.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:58 amThis statement below by Clinton should be read by every Repug.
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Statement by President Clinton
The President spoke from the White House on his decision to strike ‘terrorist-related facilities’
aug 20 1998
Good afternoon. Today I ordered our armed forces to strike at terrorist-related facilities in Afghanistan and Sudan because of the imminent threat they presented to our national security.
I want to speak with you about the objective of this action and why it was necessary.
Our target was terror. Our mission was clear — to strike at the network of radical groups affiliated with and funded by Osama bin Laden, perhaps the preeminent organizer and financier of international terrorism in the world today.
The groups associated with him come from diverse places, but share a hatred for democracy, a fanatical glorification of violence, and a horrible distortion of their religion to justify the murder of innocents.
They have made the United States their adversary precisely because of what we stand for and what we stand against.
A few months ago, and again this week, bin Laden publicly vowed to wage a terrorist war against America, saying — and I quote — “We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians. They are all targets.”
Their mission is murder. And their history is bloody.
In recent years, they killed American, Belgian and Pakistani peacekeepers in Somalia. They plotted to assassinate the president of Egypt and the Pope. They planned to bomb six United States 747s over the Pacific.
They bombed the Egyptian embassy in Pakistan. They gunned down German tourists in Egypt. The most recent terrorist events are fresh in our memory. Two weeks ago, 12 Americans and nearly 300 Kenyans and Tanzanians lost their lives. And another 5,000 were wounded when our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were bombed.
There is convincing information from our intelligence community that the bin Laden terrorist network was responsible for these bombings. Based on this information, we have high confidence that these bombings were planned, financed and carried out by the organization bin Laden leads.
America has battled terrorism for many years. Where possible, we’ve used law enforcement and diplomatic tools to wage the fight. The long arm of American law has reached out around the world and brought to trial those guilty of attacks in New York, in Virginia and in the Pacific.
We have quietly disrupted terrorist groups and foiled their plots. We have isolated countries that practice terrorism. We’ve worked to build an international coalition against terror. But there have been and will be times when law enforcement and diplomatic tools are simply not enough.
When our very national security is challenged and when we must take extraordinary steps to protect the safety of our citizens. With compelling evidence that the bin Laden network of terrorist groups was planning to mount further attacks against Americans and other freedom-loving people, I decided America must act.
And so this morning, based on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, I ordered our armed forces to take action to counter an immediate threat from the bin Laden network.
Earlier today, the United States carried out simultaneous strikes against terrorist facilities and infrastructure in Afghanistan. Our forces targeted one of the most active terrorist bases in the world. It contained key elements of the bin Laden network’s infrastructure and has served as a training camp for literally thousands of terrorists from around the globe.
We have reason to believe that a gathering of key terrorist leaders was to take place there today, thus underscoring the urgency of our actions.
Our forces also attacked a factory in Sudan associated with the bin Laden network. The factory was involved in the production of materials for chemical weapons.
The United States does not take this action lightly. Afghanistan and Sudan have been warned for years to stop harboring and supporting these terrorist groups.
But countries that persistently host terrorists have no right to be safe havens. Let me express my gratitude to our intelligence and law enforcement agencies for their hard, good work. And let me express my pride in our armed forces, who carried out this mission while making every possible effort to minimize the loss of innocent lives.
I want you to understand, I want the world to understand that our actions today were not aimed against Islam, the faith of hundreds of millions of good, peace-loving people all around the world, including the United States. No religion condones the murder of innocent men, women and children. But our actions were aimed at fanatics and killers who wrap murder in the cloak of righteousness, and in so doing, profane the great religion in whose name they claim to act.
My fellow Americans, our battle against terrorism did not begin with the bombing of our embassies in Africa, nor will it end with today’s strike.
It will require strength, courage and endurance. We will not yield to this threat. We will meet it no matter how long it may take. This will be a long, ongoing struggle between freedom and fanaticism, between the rule of law and terrorism.
We must be prepared to do all that we can for as long as we must. America is and will remain a target of terrorists precisely because we are leaders; because we act to advance peace, democracy and basic human values; because we’re the most open society on earth; and because, as we have shown yet again, we take an uncompromising stand against terrorism.
But of this, I am also sure. The risks from inaction to America and the world would be far greater than action. For that would embolden our enemies, leaving their ability and their willingness to strike us intact.
In this case, we knew before our attack that these groups already had planned further actions against us and others.
I want to reiterate, the United States wants peace, not conflict. We want to lift lives around the world, not take them. We have worked for peace in Bosnia, in Northern Ireland, in Haiti, in the Middle East and elsewhere.
But in this day, no campaign for peace can succeed without a determination to fight terrorism. Let our actions today send this message loud and clear: There are no expendable American targets.
There will be no sanctuary for terrorists. We will defend our people, our interests and our values. We will help people of all faiths, in all parts of the world, who want to live free of fear and violence.
We will persist and we will prevail. Thank you, God bless you and may God bless our country.
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September 23rd, 2006 at 9:09 amSeptember 23rd, 2006 at 9:15 am
It is truly difficult for all of us to remember pre 9/11 America. As everyone should recall that after the first gulf war America had the reputation for taking out targets with a surgical strike that would not incur any colateral damage. Bill’s hands were tied because of all the bad press he would have received if any civilian lives would have been lost. I’m sure if he had gone ahead and wiped out Bin Laden along with 30 or 40 non targets the right would have been down his throat for not respecting human life.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:17 amI don´t see how this paints Clinton in a positive light.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:18 amHe failed.
Everything was a charade.
He says he did everything in his power – really? The President of the United States is so limited in what he can do?
The bottom line is, he failed. When was failing ever an excuse for succeeding? When you are Bill Clinton.
I love Bill Clinton! He really smacked down Chris Wallace. I’m surprised he went on FOX News anyway. FOX News is what you watch if you don’t want real facts.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:25 amDot, don’t be an idiot, ‘k?
Look higher in this long discussion and you’ll see a list of the accomplishments of the Clinton administration on terrorism.
Failure to achieve one goal is not failure of the whole effort, neither does it make the whole effort a “charade”.
Even the Bushistas, back in Clinton’s day, admit Clinton was obsessed with finding Osama. Would that that were true today.
And by any measure of the Bush administration, failure IS success.
Put down the KoolAid and back away slowly and you may be okay in time…
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:30 am[...] Think Progress has posted a transcript of Bill Clinton’s interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace. Wallace tries to sand bag Clinton on the Osama Bin Laden question, but Clinton will have none of it. Reading the transcript is refreshing because I think Clinton does a good job clearing the air, and asserting the real record in a firm, forceful and unequivocal way. Clinton is absolutely correct about the political climate of the era towards Osama Bin Laden. As I remember it the “wag the dog” cynicism was the dominant presumption of the day, especially by those who are so actively supportive of Bush and his war policies in the present. Anything Clinton tried to do was immediately presumed to be a smoke screen for Monica Lewinsky. And that is the single biggest thing that angered me about Clinton. He wasted his ability to continue good policy by getting caught up with his interns. It was disheartening because he essentially allowed himself to become a lame duck by this nonsense. However, when it came to foreign affairs Clinton was internationalist and exceptionally competent by ultimately being committed to resolving many of the world’s ills through diplomacy in strategic and effective ways. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:32 am[...] Anyhow, I digress. My original point was to direct you to this transcript of President Clinton going to town on that little ferret from Fox News, Chris Wallace. The interview was originally supposed to give Clinton a chance to talk about his latest work rallying donations for his climate change initiatives. Instead, they ambushed him as the little hyenas at the Murdoch cesspool are wont to do: On Bin Laden: [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:32 amTalk about your bait and switch!
But then, we’re not exactly surprised, now are we?
I can’t image Fox News letting this air ‘as is’. They’ll most likely edit these segments.
I could be wrong, and I hope I am …. but.
Yay Bill!
http://www.politicallyoutspoken.com
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:40 amChris Wallace is as impotent an interviewer as he is an intelligent individual. Go home, Wallace – go home! You’ve just royally shot yourself in the foot by your gross ineptitude in maintaining one iota of integrity for yourself as a reporter and your show. Bravo to Clinton for “clearing the air” about the continuous efforts to deceive the americn public about who is and was responsible for 9/11. How could anyone seriously place any legitimate degree of responsibility to anyone but George W. Bush? Why don’t we just begin blaming all of our current mistakes and debacles on Jefferson?? Or Lincoln??
Besides, if that is acceptable behavior(to pass the blame to predecessors), then why have this man sitting in the White House at all?
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:41 amIt’s obvious Clinton won the showdown, and all Wallace could do was laugh nervously. I didn’t even like Clinton as a President…until Bozo.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:43 amBest. Interview. Ever. The only thing missing was Wallace crying home to mommy (Rumsfeld).
By the way, guys: Dig It
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:45 am#288
The entire purpose of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the system of checks and balances in our government is to LIMIT the power of the various branches including, and especially, the office of President. Sometimes that achieves our goals, sometimes it thwarts them, and other times it prevents huge mistakes on a national scale.
For those of you who were sleeping or doodling during a 5th grade Civics class and now comprise the base electorate of the GOP, this factoid might come as a huge shock. In America, no President can act without permission from the other branches. There are limits to what the President can do on his own initiative.
Even if a President had a free hand to do as he or she wished, there would still be no guarantee that the objectives would be met, as there are other nations, leaders, and international sensitivities to consider before taking military action on someone else’s soil. It is also likely that the problem could a bit more than complicated than we first imagined.
(I apologize to my progressive friends for having to explain the obvious, but #288 needed to hear it.)
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:49 amHow great it used to be, having a president who could think on his feet, speak in coherent sentences; who considered problems in depth. Can you imagine the response (both from the person and from his supporters) if bush had been sand-bagged like that??
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:50 amI have been bitching about Democrats going on FOX for a very long time. And I’ll never stop. But I guess the next best thing is when the Democrats call “bullshit” on the interviewer. The semi-traitorous Carl Levin did a while back.
Democrats who guest on FOX deserve what they get.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:51 amIt’s about time someone put pussbucket Fox News in it’s place. So refreshing to hear a real President speak. We need him now, more than ever.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:52 am[...] This morning, I woke up, rolled over, turned on the computer and went back to sleep, and then my cat came over, meowed and headbutt my face to wake me. After feeding Greyback, I checked my email, and I’d received a note with this link, which takes you to a transcript of Bill Clinton’s latest interview with Fox News. It’s good stuff, on the merits of his argument and the passion he displays, like when Bill tells his interviewer that he has a smug smirk, and you half-expect Clinton to say, “I’m going to slap it off your face if you don’t stop smiling.” It’s good to see the former President defend himself from nonsense. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:53 amI would like for Chris Wallace to ask Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld why the Bush administration gave the Taliban $43 million dollars in May, 2001, only four months before 9/11.
Does anyone else remember all the times Clinton tried to talk about terrorism and bin Laden at press conferences, and the journalists shouted back with questions about Lewinsky? I have tapes of some of them!
Way to go, Bill! It’s about time someone stood up to these creeps!
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 amClinton is one of the few people I know who can turn an admitted failure into a celebratory parade – he is one of a kind.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:56 amBravo Clinton! That smirky weasel Wallace was elegantly put down. If no editing of the interview, the contrast between the presidential qualitys of Clinton and Bush will be stunningly revealed.
The world respected the U.S., and we were safer, much safer with Clinton as president.
This event has turned out to be a “boomerang interview” for FOX, rather than the sneaky ambush interview planned. I only wish this interview happened nearer election time..
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:57 amBill Clinton was the single most embarrassing president this country has ever had (next to Jimmy Carter maybe). That interview didn’t make Chris Wallace look bad, it made Clinton look bad with his ranting and finger pointing. The reason he gets so riled up is because he knows the allegations are true. If he had had the courage to take out Bin Laden when he was handed to him on a silver platter several times 9/11 would never have happened. Now, I know you small minded, non-intellectuals who support him will disagree and will probably blame Bush (who by the way has more balls than Bill and Hillary put together – he is actually out there doing something about the terrorism that threatens to destroy our country rather than making excuses for those who wish to do us harm!), even though Bush was handed this mess by the Clinton administration who had run the show for 8 years and DID NOTHING (except Monica in the oval office – what a disgrace!)
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:57 amWhy does Congress argue a gay marriage amendment when they could pass an amendment repealing the 22nd amendment! Man I miss having that guy in the White House.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:59 amFOX
Lastnight the Dallas FOX affiliate did a story about HANNITY and colmes broadcasting live from SMU. They immediately segwayed into a story about a guy who could bulge his eyeballs out of his sockets at will.
Yeah, Democrats who guest on FOX have had a sreious break with reality.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:00 amSo…#305…even if all you say were true and your head was not planted firmly up Bushes ass, why hasn’t Bush done ANYTHING to stop Bin Laden? He has had many years, and he did not and does not have an opposing party with a majority in congress opposing EVERYTHIBG he tries to do.
Clinton tries to fight terrorism – republican congress blocks his every move
Bush flounders at every turn and has done nothing to fight terrorism.
Yeah, you are right, Bush does suck!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:03 amFrom “Clinton Sucks!” “…Bush (who by the way has more balls than Bill and Hillary put together – he is actually out there doing something about the terrorism that threatens to destroy our country rather than making excuses for those who wish to do us harm!…”
Hey, assclown. Pass the Kool-Aid. How does terrorism threaten to destroy our country? Seriously, do you crap nonsense or just speak it? You must really not think much of this country. If you think this country is so weak that a few whack jobs with bombs can bring it down, then you deserve Bush as President. At least when he discusses an issue you don’t get lost. Do me a favor and help prevent global warming and hold you breath for a few hours.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:09 amFor those of you wondering who was fighting Clinton…take a gander
“You can support the troops but not the president.”
—Rep Tom Delay (R-TX),
“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.”
—Joe Scarborough (R-FL),
“[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
—Sen Rick Santorum (R-PA).
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)
They were actually forewarning us about shrub’s presidency.
It’s deja vu all over again!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:11 amGood Morning all, Well here we are again, a Saturday after another Friday in bull shit bush bizarro world….I wore myself out with outside work, only caught a good show on Clinton/Oberman and crashed while every one here went crazy……Skimmed over this site and only plan a quick note to weigh in.
Once again President Clinton show’s his eloquence.. Let the record also show, he is respected and loved around the world… Statesmen from every country seek his councel and welcome him with open arm’s….He can and doe’s go every where and is treated with dignity and respect….No one cares (except the reich) about the Lawinski crap….To continue with their squeels and mud throwing over every little thing Clinton did or didn’t do according to them is just a ruse to take the publics attention off of their continued evil mess.
Rather you like it or not the fact is bull shit bush is no match on any issue to Clinton….Clinton is a diplomat, well versed on every issue around the world. Bull shit on the other hand is a bumble, unable to even wipe his own ass with out the help of one of his handlers….Ya all have a good day now….Blessings
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:17 amIf you cannot vote Democrat on the day, vote Independent…
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — September 23, 2006 @ 6:35 am
WRONG.
IF YOU CANNOT VOTE DEMOCRAT ON THE DAY, DON’T VOTE.
VOTE DEMOCRAT FOR OVERSIGHT, CHECKS & BALLANCES,
THE CONSTITUTION.
WIN FIRST, PURGE LATER.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:20 am…
I miss Clinton as the president of the US, and i must add, that all the leaders around europe, and ultimatly the hole world say and let show that they do…
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:25 amThe world would be a much better place if he was still in power…… the US is becoming much of a NON-FREE country only becouse of George W. Bush’s agressive and even oppressive policies in the US, but mainly imposed by many means, even illigally around the world… the image of the american people that he is delivering is seriously the worse i can thing of, and for so many times he redefined the word “worse”, upgrading not for the good, its meanÃng for many… many people… he is BY FAR, and by all means possible not fit to be a leader, or even, anyone who should occupy a position of some responsability… in every word he says, it allways feels like an untrustworty… puppet like person…
Almost like an irresponsible kid with an ant farm as big as Earth…
Fox News site is screaming , “See Cinton Crazed” and “Clinton’s Tirade”. Do not let them do a hatchet job on President Clinton….EMAIL THEM, NOW!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:31 amSharon – right on!
One interesting note – watch the movie “Hunting of the President” – it’s a good expose’ on Clinton and how the right-wing nutjobs were doing everything they could to destroy him. Plenty of first-person interviews.
And – it’s nice to see what a statesman he is – even working with Bush Sr. and the first lady on serious issues – can you see GW doing that? Nah – I believe that once GW leaves office, he’ll be content “cutting his ceders”….
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:32 am[...] In the mire of depravity that constitutes Republican and conservative “values†today, it was a breath of fresh air to read Bill Clinton’s smackdown of Chris Wallace on Fox. If ever an American network served its political masters as faithfully as Pravda served Moscow’s communists, it is Fox. Clinton demonstrated to the most ignorant portion of America, those who get their news from Fox, that in fact the Republicans and right wing have never cared much about protecting then American people. It is all part of the quest for power for them. For once, some truth actually was broadcast on that benighted station. I have not always agreed with Bill Clinton. Sometimes I have disagreed strongly on important issues. But at least he cares about our country, and compared to the current crowd, is a paragon of human decency. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:35 amIf only we had a president today that was half as good as Clinton. We have lost so much in the past 6 years.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:36 amI read the transcripts and, as usual, Clinton was brilliant.
And to think he intellectually body slammed Chris Wallace without the help of one of those little electronic thingies hidden under his suit coat.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:37 amNever forget that between taking office 1/20/01 and the attack on 9/11/01, GWB spent 41% of those eight months on vacation.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:37 amsharon – take it easy, girl! sounds like me when i have a “3-aleve day”…
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:41 amlately when i know i’m gonna do some heavy work, i’ll take 2 before i go out there! yes, i’m very careful to eat something first, and not take it too frequently, but it’s my wonder drug for these old bones and muscles…
generic, of course…
and if family history is any indication, i’ll have another 30+ years of it!
…
Wow!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:46 amThe man is still presidential – and he looks even better if he is compared to the intellectually challenged political hack in the office today.
Can you imagine an interview like this in a few years with GW? Ha! I hope, if there is one, it will be held in a federal prison with Bush in an orange jumpsuit on the other side of the plexiglas.
No teleprompter, no speech writer talking in his ear, and Karl Rove sitting in a cell next door, Cheney having escaped to an undisclosed location somewhere in the world, and dead from an expired heart battery.
I just went to the Fox “News” website and there is a 37 second cut from the Clinton interview which shows that Clinton is quite pissed.
Frankly, thats fine with me, because when all the right wing wackos tune in on Sunday night with the hope of seeing Clinton make a fool of himself they will be treated to the equivalent of him crushing Chris Wallace into a little ball of hypocrisy and tossing him in the trash can.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:48 amI didn’t like a lot of things Clinton did when he was in office (welfare “reform,” for instance), but he looks like Abraham Lincoln compared to the dangerous, sub-imbecile, dry-drunk we’re suffering through now. I hope the right wingers choke on this interview. The US should settle the “culture wars” once and for all – repeal the 22nd amendment and let Bill C. run against Dumbya in 2008 and see who gets his butt kicked. Won’t happen, but I can dream.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:48 amMurdock is at the bottom of the problem, not even an American, bought his way into multiple media outlet ownership, & he has bought a cheering section for Chris W.—-a genuine lighweight who has his job thx to his connections. Charlie McCarthy had more freedom to say his mind than Fox employees. I do watch Fox for the Simpsons.
I have my reservations about Bill but he’s head & shoulders above his pip squeak critics.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:51 amBrilliant… i miss Bill!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 am…even though Bush was handed this mess by the Clinton administration who had run the show for 8 years and DID NOTHING…
Comment by Clinton Sucks! — September 23, 2006 @ 9:57 am
That’s nothing compared to the mess in Iraq that’ll get passed off to Bush’s successor.
Help me clarify your position. Evidently, as far as you’re concerned, if a Democratic administration follows a Republican one, any credit for gains by the Democrats should really go to the Republicans. On the other hand, if a Republican administration follows a Democratic one, and if things go bad for the Republican president, it’s all the fault of the Democrats.
Does that pretty much sum up your world view?
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amJust a word to let Mr. Clinton know that many of us still feel like he is president!!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amJason Hendler: Your credibility is seriously lacking when you propose that Clinton is the only one who could turn mistakes into celebratory parades….we’re in one continuous “parade-fest” with this hyena – so if that is true, then there are two such anomalies on the planet! Your “dweeb-ism” is showing…….trollmaniac.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amWingnuts,
Please explain why Shrub has flip-flopped with regard to Exit Strategy:
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.â€
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)
King Dumbya can’t even remember his own advice.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:55 amThey threatened to “fire” anyone in Shrub’s administration who even suggested planning for an Exit Strategy in Iraq.
Stupid f*cking moron Republicans.
Please, go DIE, NOW, FOR PEACE.
Besides, how does anyone’s wallet compare today to what it was during Clinton’s presidency? It’s the ECONOMY, stupid!! That’s what really matters to most americans and Clinton was “pure genius” in how he handled it…..what was the figure…..3 billion dollar surplus????
‘WHAT’S IN YOUR WALLET TODAY”…..????????
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:56 amIm not a Clinton basher, but Clinton keeps repeating “I tried…”, Yeah sure he “tried” he just didnt “try” hard enough is all.
I was in the service (Army) during the Clinton years. We got reduced training, reduced funding, and new hats. Hey but he “tried” right?
He did do some good for the economy and the debt. He “tried” real good on those, no doubt.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:59 amThank You! Tim for the movie tip…..Katy’s correct folk’s, don’t split off for a third party now. Vote for Dem’s in Nov. and in 2008…If you don’t like the dem’s in now pramote the new one’s…Keep the focus on taking back america and check’s and balances….Stop the reich winged madness and distruction of our country and the world…Impeachment and jailing all these war mongers is far more important than starting up another party at this time…..
Heard on the new’s this morning Osama is dead, died last month…This will be a terrible upset for the bull shit bush bunch…..No more boogie man to wave in our faces….Parting shot to all you reich wingers…..Bull shit is such an inept leader the bad guy dies off while heir dictator fiddles…….There goes half of you’re Nov. supprise dictator rove. See you all on the reich think bull shit is the pres, Not so, this bunch is ruled by cheney, rove,rummy,rice and wolfa…bush is only the front man pupett……Blessings, we need them, Impeach and then Peace..
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 amthis is another great example of leadership:
Clinton Gives Olbermann Some Hypothetical Advice For Bush
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 amBy: Jamie Holly on Saturday, September 23rd, 2006 at 6:44 AM – PDT
President Clinton sat down with Keith tonight to discuss the Clinton Global Initiative and a host of other topics. Keith asks the former President an “unrealistic political hypothetical”: If George Bush called you up to ask for your advice, what would you tell him?
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even dubya could comprehend the last line…
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IMPEACH NOW!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:06 amLook all of you, obviously if faux was going to cut it… they wouldn’t be showing the preview.
We need to focus on the guys that are running around in our own country, who are planning the Ramadan attack now.
Everyone’s so busy pointing fingers… both of them suck, you have to take care of yourself.
RedWolf, excellent analysis btw.
And whoever was writing on O’Neill… he was being pushed out long before the holiday run back from Yemen… Bodine didn’t allow him to come back to Yemen (we know they didn’t get along), FBI was tired of him pushing the envelope and going around procedures (CIA) to get the job done (they were stopping the intel he needed)… they had even stopped passing relevant updates to him… that’s why the nice set-up with the briefcase and unauthorized use of a bureau car, remember they had the another top intel guy they found out was spying right before that… pardoned by Clinton in January. Other said he would have only received an oral warning if it wasn’t for that. His family and friends said he was very paranoid someone was going to get him… maybe he sensed 9-11 would go down and went where he could do the most to prevent it. Who knows?
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 amYou left wingers crack me up. I realize Bill speaks more eloquently than W, but he is still the same idiot folks. I honestly just don’t know who are the bigger idiots, the simple people that like W because he “ain’t one of those slick talking politicians,” or the eductated people that like the slick used car salesmen Clinton.
Take a deep breath a re-read that interview. Clinton lies several times in it, that will be used against him. As a former President, he is attacking a currently sitting President, something that just shouldn’t be done. Finally, he is telling us that he did all he could do, but he just couldn’t get anything confirmed? That will certainly be used against you libs as an example of what happens when you wait for perfect intelligence, America gets attacked on its soil!
Sorry folks, all of this is going to put him in a further bad light.
If you left wingers think your village idiot is any more of a person than the current village idiot in office, you should take those college degrees and give them back. That would make all of you the biggest idiots of all. In the future please quit voting for President, because you people are the problem.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 amIf you cannot vote Democrat on the day, vote Independent…
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — September 23, 2006 @ 6:35 am
I’m hear ya. In fact, I think vote Independent first. The sooner we stand up to the corrupt cycle between the two parties, the sooner we begin to take back our country!
If we can get enough Independents (who tend to be liberals and moserates that mostly vote iwth Dems anyway), then we have true representatives of the people and not Corporate lackeys who are bought and paid mouthpieces for Corporate welfare.
It’s why I would LOVE to see Gore run as an Independent in 2008, and then tell both parties that the only stuff he is signing from them is what’s in the best interest of the American people – and no partisan nonsense.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 amThe poor trolls have become irrelevant. Can we please have an ignore button? Not that many of my progressive brothers and sisters sip their own kool aid, but these trolls are so bloody stupid, I find it hard to believe they can even find these sites. Let’s make sure we get our facts right, so we can look each other in the eye and be totally confident our story is spread to our fellow citizens without editing for our own advantage like the little roves. GET IT RIGHT AND WATCH “EM SQUIRM….If I could kick Clinton’s butt for the AFFAIR, I would. He not only betrayed his wife and daughter, but kept Gore from being a decent president. He(Clinton) surrounded himself with many good people, like Rubin, and we had a great run. Remember, if we can elect an idiot, we may very well elect a madman, and it could be sooner than you think. Keep the faith. We are too close to making this country respectable again. CONTROL THE TROLLS…BY the way, the idiot I’m referring to is NOT Bill!!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:12 amChris Wallace is such a sham of a journalist. Fox, like all Bush apologists, is more interested in pointing the finger of blame everywhere but where it belongs. One hardly needs any more proof that they are a mouthpiece for this administration.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amMurdoch had a huge fundraiser for Hillary here in Long Island.
I know… I can’t figure it out either.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amClinton is one of the few people I know who can turn an admitted failure into a celebratory parade – he is one of a kind.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — September 23, 2006 @ 9:56 am
According to your logic, then Bush is three times an even bigger failure, since he’s had three times longer to capture Osama, but has also failed…
Can’t have it both ways Jason, try as you might.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 amAgain, we are reminded that exchanging virility for vacuity results in a significant loss of net value.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:15 amClinton tries to fight terrorism – republican congress blocks his every move
Comment by Jules — September 23, 2006 @ 10:03 am
Touche’! And true. Let’s remind them thatthey control all three branches, and still, no Osama.
Clinton nailed them, all they can do now is make ad hominem attacks not even remotely based on reality. Typical. They’d rather shoot themselves in the foot than admit they were wrong.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:18 amThis interview will never see the light of day, unless it’s chopped to pieces.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:18 amI miss Bill Clinton, but never as much as when I understand what a smart and great man he is (blow jobs from interns are irrelevant to what a great president he really was). It all becomes more poignant when he speaks and debates with Fox news hacks like Wallave.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 amYou gotta love it. Fox has a video clip to advertise Clinton’s interview and they call it “Clinton’s tirade”. Those folks are really sad (Fox) and they are dangerous for our country.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 amI stopped watching “the boob-tube” over 9 years ago, and I feel soooooo much better. By “stopped watching” I mean that I won’t even visit friends who have that lying, propaganda engine on. Don’t listen to much radio either, and, when getting all the news I need to know via the magic of the Internet, I have the sound on my ‘pewter turned off also. I don’t need the “voice of Satan” screaming in my ear, and disrupting my thinking. Try it, you’ll like it. Just walk away from all that noise and confusion. All you guys (librul & wing-nuts) should only stop micro-analyzing the bs they dump on you, and turn it off, forever. Hit em where they live, in the wallet. Alright, already, it’s all crap, 24/7, out there in TV land. We all know that. So….what are you going to do about it besides sit there, glued to the tube, bitching about it?
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:23 amJust wonderin’. Is it possible?
of course it is…
Could the “news flash†that Osama bin Laden may have died of typhoid last month be related to Clinton’s FOX interview? This would be a great way to divert attention from Clinton’s statements.
Very timely coincidence. But who would think of that?
that’s a rhetorical, right? cause we all know rove thinks of everything…
Comment by Outraged+in+Louisville — September 23, 2006 @ 11:04 am
i found the osama story, via google news, at raw story…
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:23 amyes, that would take some wind out of any oct/nov surprise…
but… rove probably has a backup… after all…
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I heard the rumor this morning that OBL may have died from typhoid on 8/26/06. Whether or not it is true, do you think the rumor will be enough to deflect some of the attention given to Clinton this weekend? Clinton was on Countdown, will be on MTP, and Fox — looking ever so presidential, and creating a bit of nostalgia in those of us who long for the 90’s.
I didn’t vote for Clinton the first time, and I didn’t agree with everything he did in office — but fair criticism is better than blindly following anyone — and in hindsight, when I compare the Clinton years with Bush I and Bush II, Clinton towers over them.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:28 amHeard on the new’s this morning Osama is dead, died last month…
Comment by Sharon Cox — September 23, 2006 @ 11:00 am
Howdy Sharon,
I’ve been hearing this one for months… perhaps even years now. Know the guy had issues with is health, but usually money solves a lot of those problems :)
Where di you hear it, and what was their source? It would actually be great if true – the boogeyman is gone, by natural causes, and we didn’t make him a martyr by killing him…
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 amBrings to mind “Hedwig and the Angry Inchâ€. ;)
Comment by CyraBrown
Cyra, if you happen to stop by again, that is absolutely hilarious! I’d forgotten about that movie. Exley just may have a new name…hmmm.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 amsorry seth, but clinton was very careful that he was not “attacking a currently sitting president” – even thought we all know he deserves it…
yes, even you…
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 am…
Sorry, Outraged and KatyI speculated pretty much the same as you did — posts are too slow these days aid I didn’t see them until I went back after I posted my own.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:32 amWell – at least it shows we are thinking alike – call us cynical!
We all know that. So….what are you going to do about it besides sit there, glued to the tube, bitching about it?
Comment by Miss Brandy — September 23, 2006 @ 11:23 am
Uh, we are on the Internet…
Most of us don’t watch much to any television either. It’s why we are here.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:33 amMSNBC is reporting a French newspaper has announced the death by typhoid of Bin Laden last month. True or not Bill Clinton did his job as well as the right would allow. His interview with Kieth Olbermann is an example of how a class act does an interview with a prominent figure in American history. Chris Wallace should be ashamed.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:35 am[...] I can certainly understand why former President Bill Clinton lost his temper at Chris Wallace when the Fox News reporter asked him: [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:36 amWe have to wonder in about 4 years when Bush is on CNN getting an interview and he says, “I tried to kill binLaden, I did everything in my power and I failed” how many libs will be patting Bush on the back for failing.
And, now, if Osama is really dead and Bush, et al, knew he was dying for the last x months…well, we would not want to give Bush any credit for knowing that and using this info to round up some more bad guys would we????
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:39 amI’m sure mikey ran home to his wife and cried after bill put him in his place, she probably wishes she was still married to the smothers brother who at least had more balls and political sense than mikey does…
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 amI watched the midnight edition of Countdown and enjoyed the Olbermann/Clinton interview. I reeked of intelligent questions and honest answers and Olbermann didn’t perform the ambush journalism that Faux News practices.
At the end, of the broadcast, Olbermann thanked President Clinton notonly for appearing on the program, but for standing up to and kicking Chrissy Wallace’s ass.
Even Olbermann knows about the attempted ambush by Mike’s disappointment for a son.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 amyes, marie – like minds!
and this posting delay is annoying … maybe on purpose, to limit “conversation”?…
i was thinking this morning that TP would need to heavily vet anyone hired to fix the problem cause it’s well known by now, and how the reich would love to sabatoge this site!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 am…
Bin Laden dead? they must have him on ice, so when needed. they
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amcan bring him “out” (say just before nov.election 06) or maybe 08?
I am getting really tired…..
[...] Lots of political stuff going on worth noting right now… While I’ve never been a big fan of President Clinton, I’ve always enjoyed his skillful smackdowns of right-wing bobbleheads… Here’s a transcript of an ambush interview with Chris Wallace that will air on Faux News this Sunday… [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 amJIMBO,
Keith Olbermann’s interview with Clinton was really good.
Maybe Chris Wallace can watch it and catch a clue…..nahhh.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 amWell “DOT” – good question…I would pat Shrub on the back if he would admit to ANY of his VERY MANY failures, beginning with an apology for NOT ONE TIME in 9 months holding a security meeting on OBL, however, he will NEVER admit to a mistake because he is a sociopath!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:50 am[...] Check out this extraordinary transcript posted on Think Progress. Chris Wallach treid to set up Bill Clinton, but gets more than he knows how to deal with. Clinton puts on a clinic: how to deal with the underhanded “swift boat†style tactics of FOx (FOX had promised that the interview would focus on Clinton’s efforts to raise $7 Billion in humanitarian aid). [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 am[...] Here’s a great transcript of an interview with Bill Clinton slamming Fox news: LINK. I personally admire Bill Clinton. I don’t care that he lied about getting a blow job. He was still a great president. I honestly feel that he’s one of the few people who truely want to make the world a better place. Bono and Bill Gates are trying also but there annoying. I do wish we could declare a state of emergency and reinstate Clinton. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 amWhat a bunch of morons you all are. (I especially like those who attest to the supposed brilliance of the Rhoads [sic - post 7] scholar with their own grammatically incompetent phrases.) Once again, Bill Clinton has shown his underpants in public with very little prodding, and his purple face of rage is only one testament to his out-of-control narcissism. Love him at your own peril.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:59 amBased on a quick scan of these postings, America looks a lot less “indivisible” than it once was. Methinks we don’t have to worry about some outsiders doing us in. Two more years of Bush will take care of that with time to spare.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm8 years versus 8 months says it all.
One kept us safe for 8 years, the other for 8 months.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:13 pm#371 – I like me!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmIt’s like the republicans don’t remember any thing. When Clinton tried to conduct the business of our nation he was attacked at every turn by republicans. Reminder “wag the dogâ€, Can any one calculate the damage done by all the republicans in the government agencies and military who being good loyal republicans did any thing they could to frustrate the president and embarrass him if at all possible.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmcuriosity got the better of me and i had to see the fox clip…
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmthis is what clinton said in that clip, chosen for it’s most in-your-face moment (YAY!!!), i’m sure… no doubt what dubya tried to portray with lauer but mostly looked like a drunk…
but this statement is all fox is showing till sunday…and the lead up to this video will truly make you dizzy:
“…at least I tried. That’s the difference in me and some, including all the right wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try and they didn’t…I tried. So I tried and failed.”
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so, when they are done with this interview, all chopped and rearranged, who knows what will happen to it…
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Where were all of the people posting to this blog when “The Big Dog” went on National and International TV – in front of hundreds of millions of people – pointed his finger straight at the cameras and said: “I dont know anyone named Monika Lewinsky!”???????? And I actually believed him!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmRight! and Pete Rose never bet on Baseball!
Classy???……American Hero???? Try low life, lying slime ball………
9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH! He did nothing to stop it, except continue to read “My Pet Goat†for seven minutes. He was warned and did nothing!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmkaty,
I think it will look something like what Briseadh na Faire has at #20.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 pmYeah tetvet – I am a less disgusted about a guy cheating on his wife and lying about it then I am about the many, many, many lies and other atrocities commited by Shrub and his administration!!!
86/43!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmAbby,
With respect to your opinion, you do the same thing that most conservatives do when attacking Bill Clinton. You attack the man and the perceived character flaws (What you consider flaws, I consider normal human nature, but then again, my mind isn’t shut). And the fact that posters in a forum aren’t Rhoad’s scholars.. uhm, well… duh?
Your post doesn’t do anything to enhance your intellectual standing, and just shows another bitter conservative attacking the best president in 40 years.
Cheers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmtetvet, sorry you had to suffer through that…
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmbut if you don’t know by now, the difference betweeen lying about consensual sex between adults (aka – none of your business) and lying to bring about a war and death for personal enrichment, you never will, because you don’t want to…
your government lied to you then and it’s lying to you now… get smart…
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by the way, when he pointed his finger at me and lied, i was embarrassed that my country would stoop so low as to ask such a question… of course he lied, it’s rule #1 when asked about infidelity… you know that…
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“I dont know anyone named Monika Lewinsky!�??????? And I actually believed him!
Comment by tetvet-68
He didn’t say he didn’t know her, he couldn’t very well say that since she was an intern. He said he’d never had sexual relations with her.
No one here is condoning that lie, tetvet-68. I couldn’t look at him or listen to him for months after the fact of that lie came out, but except for lying under oath, it was really for Bill and Hillary to sort out.
The ultimate irony is that people remain so incensed about Bill’s poor choices in his sex life, and his lie, while giving a pass to George W. Bush, who’s lie is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.
GWB has also torn apart this country from within, much to Osama bin Laden’s delight.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmUnfortunately, viewers will probably see only the Fox edited edition of this interview.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 pm[...] Be sure to read the transcript of President Clinton’s Fox News interview with Chris Wallace. Wallace tried to hang “aren’t you really responsible for September 11″ on Clinton, and Clinton wasn’t having it. WALLACE: …but the question is why didn’t you do more, connect the dots and put them [al Qaeda] out of business? [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 pm1. I am not a Conservative. I have voted Democratic in EVERY election since I could vote – the first being in 1964 – and will continue to do so.
2. I am not giving George Bush a FREE PASS. He is unquestionably the WORST President during my lifetime.
3. But neither #1 nor #2 above changes the fact that Bill Clinton is a lying, low-life. And let’s all hope that Hillary does not get nominated for President. If she does – she will have a snowball’s chance in hell of being elected when all of “The Big Dogs” bullshit is dredged up again……..
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 pmLet’s all pray this is true:
“A senior source with an intelligence service friendly to the United States told CBS News that Saudi Intelligence has collected what it considers to be “very credible information” that bin Laden has been very seriously ill, and that the Saudi services are now suggesting, though not confirming, that they “have a pretty high certainty” that he is dead.
The source added that if he has died as a result of typhoid fever, which comes from exposure to contaminated water and food, it would confirm reports that he has been hiding in a remote area, under very harsh conditions with limited access to medical care. “
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmfrom CJR
http://prisonplanet.com/what_we_knew_warning_given_story_missed.html
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:09 pm
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bush/index.html
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:11 pm
tetvet – what are exactly “all of the big dogs bullshit?” That he had consensual sex and lied about it?
i wouldn’t want to marry the guy, but he was the best president we have had in decades!!!
You would not be the first troll to come here claiming to be a progressive then promote a neocon agenda!!!
Nice try though!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8734-2002Jan19
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- On May 8, Bush announced a new Office of National Preparedness for terrorism at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. At the same time, he proposed to cut FEMA’s budget by $200 million. Bush said that day that Cheney would direct a government-wide review on managing the consequences of a domestic attack, and “I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts.” Neither Cheney’s review nor Bush’s took place….
At the nexus of law enforcement and intelligence, where the United States has concentrated its work against al Qaeda since 1998, a longtime senior participant said he observed no essential change after the White House passed to new occupants.
“Ninety-nine point-something percent of the work going on and the decisions being made would have continued to be made whether or not we had an election,” the career officer said. “I have a real difficult time pointing to anything from January 20th to September 10th that can be said to be a Bush initiative, or something that wouldn’t have happened anyway.”
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 pmtetvet-68,
I apologize for making any implication you are a conservative. It was not my intent.
I too, hope Hillary Clinton is not nominated for President. Not because of Bill’s history, but because she simply will not get elected, and I don’t want 4-8 more years of the hell we’re living now. Actually, it may take 4-8 years to repair the damage to this country…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 pm#390,
Zooey, Hillary will be the Demcrat’s presidential nominee in 2008. Since you clearly do not like her, may I suggest you take a look at Mitt Romney, the next President of the United States. Get on the bandwagon early, sweetie darling!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 pmit may take 4-8 years to repair the damage to this country…
Comment by Zooey — September 23, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
…if we are LUCKY !!! … i’m resigned to 10’s of years… maybe generations… at least for the financial ruins to be fixed…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:25 pmthis is such an incredible mess…
…
In May, 2001, Pulitzer Prize winner David Halberstam published “War in a Time of Peace – Bush, Clinton, and the Generals.” Although he covered Iraq, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo, there is not a hint of a mention of Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden.
That suggests that, in all his digging and interviewing on the topic of Clinton at war, Halberstam never uncovered Clinton’s war on terror, or did not experience Clinton’s people pounding the table and emphasizing its importance.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmExley you are a bigger moron then I had previously taken you for. Do you know one thing about Romney? People in MA HATE him. He is never there except for photo ops. When his record in MA comes out he would be lucky to get APPOINTED to a position!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmExley,
You are unhinged if you think Mitt Romney will be nominated for, let alone elected President.
He’s pretty enough, but he’s got maggots living in his braincase.
The choice suits you, sweetie darling.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 pm[...] Likewise, the Internet is buzzing about President Clinton’s tart responses to FOX News reporter Chris Wallace’s questions about why Clinton didn’t do more to capture Bin Laden after the original World Trade Center attack. I agrere with Clinton, to a degree. The right wing holds Clinton to a high standard than they seem to hold President Bush, he also did nothing to arrest bin Laden during the first nine months of his administration. But the sad fact is thatbin Laden studies the behavior of the United States for the past fifty years and concluded that the United States didn’t have the stomach to maintain a long-term attack on Islamofascism that woduld be needed to destroy his movement. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 pmkaty,
Sadly enough, you are probably right…
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:32 pm[...] Clinton Takes On Fox Newshttp://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/22/clinton-fox/ [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:42 pm#395,
Zooey, my sweet….
Actually, I have not made up my mind on who I will support in 2008 — Romney, McCain, or Giuliani. Each is a worthy successor to the George W. Bush — The Great Liberator (as history will dub him).
Romney has impressed me with his strong position on the War on Terror. Giuliani is clearly an American hero, who will undoubtedly continue to pursue the war against Islamo-fascism with great verve, since he, more than anyone saw the horror those barbarians can bring to our shores unless they are confronted overseas.
McCain is another American hero. I don’t like his campaign-finance “reform” efforts, but he is still eminently qualified to be President.
Three finr choices for you to support, Zooey, sweetie darling. You really can’t go wrong with any of them.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:43 pmZooey and Katy,
Yes, we will need a lot of time to restore the damage done by Bush&Co. I expect it will take at least two Democratic terms if not longer.
As for Bush&Co — they certainly are criminals (this so-called compromise of yesterday is a whitewash protecting the reputations of all involved) and it is my hope that they will be tried for their crimes — but first, let’s get the country back and on track — we can have subcommittees doing all the preliminary hearings, etc., while the big work of restoration goes forward.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:46 pmWe won’t be able to prosecute them anyway until they are out of office, so we will have to be patient – but determined.
(However, I still sport a b-sticker on my car “Impeach Bush” among others.)
#394, Jules…Read the Boston Globe this morning?:
Romney seeks to be alternative to McCain
Intensifies courtship of GOP’s right wing
By Scott Helman and Kristen Green, Globe Correspondent | September 23, 2006
WASHINGTON — From his outspoken defense of President Bush on interrogating terrorism suspects to an appeal to Christian conservatives here yesterday, Governor Mitt Romney is increasingly trying to position himself as the leading conservative alternative to Senator John S . McCain III of Arizona in the 2008 presidential race.
Romney, elected just four years ago as a moderate Republican, is seizing on the opening created by an unexpectedly tough reelection campaign this year for Senator George F . Allen of Virginia, the prospective presidential candidate who had been widely seen as the standard-bearer for the GOP’s conservative wing.
As Allen has been forced to put his 2008 hopes on hold, analysts and observers say, Romney has rushed to fill the vacuum by appealing to the right on homeland security, immigration, and social issues, particularly in South Carolina, a crucial early primary state home to many conservative voters.
“He’s maximized his window of opportunity very well in South Carolina,” said Scott Malyerck, executive director of the state Republican Party. “He’s hitting those conservative buttons that folks are concerned about.”
On his blog this week, conservative writer Andrew Sullivan called Romney the “theo-cons’ favorite nominee” who has “clearly positioned himself as McCain’s opponent on the issue” of interrogation methods.
“I presume he thinks it will win him votes among Christian, Republican base voters,” Sullivan wrote, citing two often interconnected constituencies in the Republican Party.
Though McCain is still considered the front-runner for the Republican nomination, his independent streak on issues such as immigration and tighter campaign finance rules has long alienated some conservatives. With the 2008 jockeying intensifying, Romney is trying to exploit that rift by articulating positions that fall to the right of McCain’s and by courting religious conservatives.
When McCain and two other Republican senators broke with Bush last week in insisting on greater rights for terrorism suspects in American custody, Romney firmly backed the president, labeling the move by McCain and the other maverick senators “a big mistake.” Romney told The New York Times he was “foursquare behind the president” and went out of his way to cite several other areas, including immigration policy, where he held more conservative views than McCain.
Romney’s criticism drew a curt response from McCain, but it has won plaudits elsewhere.
“Romney gets it, and McCain hasn’t got a clue,” reads a blog entry on gopbloggers.org.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:49 pmI’m a Goldwater conservative, which puts me to the left of todays proto fascists aka Repugnicans, and I miss Bill. At least semen stains on a blue dress did not hazard our country, or constittution, which is what todays crop of proto fascists (aka “Konservatives”) have done.
I miss Bill, but in no way am I interested in Hillary as President, she backs Bush in Iraq, then and now.
Dem’s had better come up with someone decent, not a Republican light, such as Hillary, and by the way William Jefferson was not a progressive, he was a moderate “Republican” he actually betrayed his base, (labor, gays, pro choice, feminists) abandoned them one and all, used clever ruses, but abandoned them.
Yet if Bill were Prez the last four years, our country would be respected in the world, and our economy and civil liberties much better off, and our constitution which the Repugs and Bush have shredded, still intact..
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmTwo quotes:
I do not believe to this day that it would have been a good thing to respond to the Cole, given the kinds of options that we were going to have. … We really thought that the Cole incident was passed, that you didn’t want to respond tit-for-tat. …
– Condi Rice to the 9/11 Commission
” And, again, I don’t know where he [Osama] is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.”
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pm–G.W.Bush, March 13, 2002
By the way, Zooey,
Remember when you criticized me for ending one of my postings (I believe it was on 9/11/2006) with, “God Bless America?”
Well, look at posting #285, which contains a copy of your boy’s, President Clinton, speech from 1998: “Thank you, God bless you and may God bless our country.”
Heh! No outrage from you this time, I notice….
That’s okay, though. I accept your apology. How can I stay mad at you, sweetie darling????
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:55 pm[...] Likewise, the Internet is buzzing about President Clinton’s tart responses to FOX News reporter Chris Wallace’s questions about why Clinton didn’t do more to capture Bin Laden after the original World Trade Center attack. I agrere with Clinton, to a degree. The right wing holds Clinton to a high standard than they seem to hold President Bush, he also did nothing to arrest bin Laden during the first nine months of his administration. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmExely – once again you are showing your ignorance.
Not too many people in this country even know who Romney is. So what if the minority of neocan facists like him. It will take more than that to get elected. He will need to win over independents and he will NEVER be able to do that. I hope he does win the nomination. That will just make the installation of a democrat that much easier!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:59 pmThree finr choices for you to support, Zooey, sweetie darling. You really can’t go wrong with any of them.
Comment by Exley
I was right, you are unhinged, three times over. I really don’t understand it, because, while we don’t agree on most things, you do seem to be intelligent.
Right now, I’m going to do the intelligent thing and get off this computer, and out into the cold but sunny day.
Ya’ll give my new sweetie darling hell, ok?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 pmRed+Wolf
Last time you Americans tried to take Canada, Canada sacked Washington. You piss off the north they will come down, they will kick your asses, and you will end up crying to mommy UN when Britain and the rest of your longterm allies nuke you right back into the stone-age.
Meanwhile the rest of the world will not sympathise with the American survivors, it will not contribute to rebuilding America and it will in fact move in to claim those bits of America it fancies. Mexico will re-incorporate the southern states, Canada, what is left of it, will take the north and the middle will be a mass grave for all the idiots who thought attacking a country which has proven a peaceful and indeed friendly neighbour since the conclusion of the war of 1812 was a good idea.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:03 pm[...] FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmmarie – and, to make matters worse, whoever is the next president, in order to get a start on fixing the mess, taxes will have to be raised – but mostly, the tax cuts will have to be revoked, and what a howl will be heard…
i have never dreamed this country would turn out so many ignorant, selfish, greedy fools… the founders are surely disappointed…
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmI watched ‘13 Days’ last night, it made me think about what Kennedy would have done with terrorism, he like Clinton had a head on his shoulders. If Bush had to deal with the Soviets we’d all be dead now, that was the only good lesson I got from the program. Why can’t people see these guys for who they are?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 pmThat’s okay, though. I accept your apology. How can I stay mad at you, sweetie darling????
Comment by Exley
Damn, Ex. I hadn’t taken you for a whiner…
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 pmOkay I’ve never liked Bill Clinton. I always said (and still do for that matter) that he is a self serving, narcasistic, pathalogical lier but …
Damn he’s good when he’s on his game and boy was he on his game bigtime on this one. The transcript doesn’t do justice to the visual performance and audio. Find a copy and post it on the video sites for all to see!
He’s a very smart fellow unlike the current white house squatter so trying to do him a blind side is a bad idea.
Like I said I’ve never been a fan of wild Bill but talk about nailling someone to the camera lens with 9 inch nails and destroying any crediblity they might have had. WOW!
I would love to debate Bill Clinton on a lot of issues but I would be prepared and respect the man’s intellectual capabilities. This Fox clown was trying to laugh off the retorts so hard because he had nothing intelligent to reply. What a FOOL.
Coming from me this last line will shock all the people who know me but in all honesty it needs to be said:
Well done Bill!
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:11 pm#399 Comment by Exley
You’re so frigging lame, darlin’.
Yes McCain is a hero. So was the President Grant. Grant was also a drunkard and typically ranks in the lowest quartile of U.S. presidents, primarily for his tolerance of corruption.
As for Romney, before becoming Governor, Romney ran an unsuccessful 1994 campaign against Senator Ted Kennedy and lost. He’s a liberal repugnican who won’t get the nomination. One good reason is because he believes that abortion is OK in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened. That is just too damned progressive for Pat Robertson’s Right Wing to swallow.
And then there is Giuliani. As long as he keeps his pecker in his pants and doesn’t keep dumping his wives in favor of his mistresses, or confess to any other marital infidelities, he could be accepted by the Repugs and a good many democrats as well. His downfall is that he is too middle of the road and not easily manipulated by the rightwing power brokers. For instance, Giuliani’s pro-choice stand on abortion. Pro-life groups, such as the Republican National Coalition for Life, have already announced their intention to oppose Giuliani.
You better get real, pal, on who is likely to get the nod from the Repuglican Party nomination. It isn’t going to be any of those three.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 pmActually, I have not made up my mind on who I will support in 2008 — Romney, McCain, or Giuliani. Each is a worthy successor to the George W. Bush — The Great Liberator (as history will dub him).
I thought you’d finally come around a bit and realized that attacking Iraq, in hindsight, was not handled very well. Did you go back to drinking the Kool-Aid since the last time we spoke?
Sometimes you really are like two completely different people. Sometimes you are intelligent, rational and human, and at other times you’re… well, a Bush supporter. What gives?
Three finr choices for you to support, Zooey, sweetie darling. You really can’t go wrong with any of them.
Comment by Exley — September 23, 2006 @ 1:43 pm
That’s what you said about Bush, and look how wrong we’ve gone in 6 short years… From a surplus to a deficit, from peace to perpetual war, from loved in the world to hated… and so on.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:20 pmread from the real full transcript link at the bottom. This is rundown of the interview has a slight left wing bias making most of the people who posted on this link pretty much idiots.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:25 pmThe Big Dog†went on National and International TV – in front of hundreds of millions of people – pointed his finger straight at the cameras and said: “I dont know anyone named Monika Lewinsky!â€???????? And I actually believed him!
Right! and Pete Rose never bet on Baseball!
Classy???……American Hero???? Try low life, lying slime ball……
The same place I was when Bush said he didn’t know Ken Lay
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmThe people at FOX along with repugs are clearly trying to change history with their fake stories and lies, so Bill Clinton has every right to get in their faces and smack them with the facts.
God, do I miss Bill Clinton as our President.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 pm#384 tetvet; first, thanks for serving. Second, the best argument I ever heard against Bill Clinton was from a Viet vet who years ago, around ‘93 or so, said;
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:35 pm“What I don’t like about Bill Clinton is that he moved to England to attend Oxford under the guise of getting a better education, when really it was a ploy to avoid military service. His people were grooming him from the age of 12 to become a politician, so they should have known that not serving in the military would look bad when he entered politics. He wouldn’t have had to go overseas, they probably would have used him in recruiting or in some other non-combat role, so I feel that was very bad foresight and planning. Now, this same man and his people are running the country with this same bad foresight and planning. I saw this and that’s why I didn’t vote for him, not because of his politics.” Clinton was in office at that point, but had Bush brought this up at the right moment during the ‘92 campaign, it could have really damaged Clinton, especially with Bush being a WWII vet. The problem was, Bush really didn’t seem to be hungry for the presidency, and Clinton did. Bush’s half-hearted run at the oval office cost the Republicans dearly… Enough about history tho. Let’s talk about lying politicians. The worst thing Clinton lied about was the Monica Lewinsky debacle; very unsavory at best, disgusting, reprehensible and immoral at worst. An impeachable offense? no. Lying under oath? Possibly. However, this pales in comparison with what Cheney and his minions have wrought on this country in the name of patriotism. I do think a lot of Americans are waking up to the fact that even if you go to church on Sunday, claim to be a good Christian/Catholic/whatever, lead a good clean public life etc, that does not excuse you from wrongdoing, and it does not make war ok just because you are a clean shaven, upstanding patiotic American who is “faithful” to his wife and 6 kids, and flys the flag on the Forth of July. I’m not talking about the average soldier, or even the career soldier, I’m talking about corrupt, dastardly politicians who using the American military for their own personal gain and professionally marketing this as “patriotism”. Does this not outrage you, tetvet? It’s all about money, not love of country. The elite made gobs of money in ‘Nam and they’re making gobs of money now, in Iraq. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see this. With that said, I’d rather have a President who is a letch but sincerely likes and cares about people, black, brown, yellow or white, and gives them hope, (thereby stimulating the economy) and who does his best to do the right thing, like bringing about an end to hostilities in Serbia-Croatia, while being lambasted by the same Republicans who are now supporting Bush in his failed Iraq mis-adventure. Now THERE are some liars for you, and hypocrites as well. Tetvet, I supported the troops in Viet Nam and I support them in Iraq, but I don’t support scoundrals such as Cheney and his puppet Bush who wrap themselves in the American flag while raping lady liberty. I’ll take Clinton any day over these lying scoundrels…
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September 23rd, 2006 at 2:43 pmjason
Actually by the sounds of it you are the idiot. Clinton took control of the interview, he in fact trounced Wallace and Wallace was not prepared to take another beating like that. The interview ended with Wallace keeping his mouth shut because he had been completely, and totally, pwned early on.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmThis is fantastic. 400 + postings on the smack down to Wallace. It’s been so long since I’ve heard a President speak in unbroken sentences and didn’t have to stop every 8 seconds to smile at ya.
This smack down is made even more enjoyable by the neocan’t that show up trying to defend the indefensible.
Keep it coming.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmI thought it was funny that some people suggested Bill Clinton has more balls than Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. They definitely have more balls, they can look the American people in the eyes and lie to them and then lie about lieing to them, that takes balls.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:59 pmWhat I don’t like about Bill Clinton is that he moved to England to attend Oxford under the guise of getting a better education, when really it was a ploy to avoid military service. His people were grooming him from the age of 12 to become a politician, so they should have known that not serving in the military would look bad when he entered politics.-nikolai, quoting a vet
I’ve seen some real BS posted by trolls on this site from time to time, and this ranks right near the top. This person obviously has no insight into the Rhodes Scholarship program.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:04 pmPlease, God, make the Democrats so stupid and arrogant that they nominate Hillary in ‘08.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:05 pmFrom the looks of this blog (and posts) maybe FOX can be bought to light for what they really are, fellow americans will wake up and see the turth.
Need more Bill C’s
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmgetting a little seems to get alot.
What I don’t like about Bill Clinton is that he moved to England to attend Oxford under the guise of getting a better education, when really it was a ploy to avoid military service.
Bill didn’t have to go out of the country to avoid War, Just ask Dick Cheney, he got 5 deferments and 2 DUIS, Rove attended six universities and escaped vietnam, Rove graduated from none.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmWolfowitz, Perle, Gingrich, Newton….all chickenhawks all war mongers..see how that works? The big bad tuff nerds won’t go to war, but they will surely start one, then talk about how tuff they are,,pathetic really.
[...] Go HERE for the full transcript WALLACE: Do you think you did enough sir? [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmPlease, God, make the Democrats so stupid and arrogant that they nominate Hillary in ‘08.
Comment by E Pluribus Unum
Maybe you should pray that God makes you intelligent instead?
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmThank you President Bill Clinton……six years we’ve had to wait for this…
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmThank You.
#424 DrSinker, I’m not a troll, I’m a registered Independent who loves his country and admires and respects the veterans of ALL wars, including the Viet Nam war. Those guys got a real lousy deal all the way around, to say the least. My quote was from a ‘Nam veteran who was one of my neighbors. We were out shooting targets one day when he told me the bit about Clinton and Oxford. No, he DIDN’T know about the Rhodes Scholarship program, all he knew is how he felt, whether he was 100% correct, or not, I respected him (and his opinion) then, and I respect him (and his opinion) now. You see DrSinker, neither he nor I can be conveniently catagorized. I myself am left leaning, but am not anti-gun. I am pro-stem cell research, but anti-abortion, unless it is absolutely necessary, but “absolutely necessary” is a relative term, is it not? (See how open minded and free thinking I am? I world never classify myself as a intellectual, however, and neither would my friends). I like and respect John McCain, but despise Bush and Cheney. An anomaly? Maybe. A typical American? More likely. You see DrSinker, that is what makes America great, we Americans all have our differences, but want what is right overall, for the majority. The problem now however, is that the carpetbaggers in office now have been exploiting our differences, keeping us a people divided, shamefully doing so in an aggressive “patriotic” marketing scheme that worked, at least until recently. No, DrSinker, not all typical Americans know about the Rhodes Scholaship “Programme”, as we are not as “cultured” as yourself. Now, climb down off your pedestal and apologize for calling me a troll…
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmhttp://www.chickenhawkcards.com/olielly.jpg
FOX News Poster Child
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmBill stood up for himself as anyone would. He shouldn’t have fell for the hate-bait, but he did, Ironically Wallace probably now wishes he wouldn’t have hate-baited him…
Hate-Baiting has become the News media modus operandi to confuse and marginalize important issues [Democratic and Republican] and all suffer under such dishonest and misleading tactics.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmHot damn. What an interview! I’m gonna be so disappointed when faux noose slices and dices it. Thanks, ThinkProgress, for letting me read what was really said.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmWow, finally Clinton speaks out!!!! I am so tired of hearing the GOP’ers complaining that Clinton didn’t do enough when at every turn they fought him tooth and nail when it came to bin Laden. Bush gets into office and suddenly Bush is walking hand in hand with the bin Laden family and the Saudi Royal family. Seems it was Saudi’s that flew those planes into those buildings and the exact words of Bush to Barnes “Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’. WOW, I wonder how much the bin Laden family paid Bush to lay of their famous son.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmOH MOUTH FULL OF SH*T BILL HAS AN ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING!!!! CAN HE GIVE US ONE REASON TROOPS WERE PULLED OUT OF DESERT STORM???
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:45 pmThe military industrial complex is basically what the GOP represents today. Wars are ‘meat and potatoes’ [Wolfowitz] even a small war can create billions in profits and also bring that country under stifling loans with conditions that will impoverish them to the IMF and Worldbank [Wolfowitz] it is a scam of enourmous proportions.
Th taxpayer foots the bill for the war and the salus populi fight it, usually begat thru propaganda, and then the Country we went to war with owes the US reperations, such as Iraq owes 35 billion for GULF I, you will not ever see that money, or profit.
Until the Republican, Democrats, and the people realize how they are creating War for profits, enslaving nations, and screwing the taxpayer, and killing our sons and daughters for a group of sociopathic weapons manufacturers and investment bankers. Sure the OIL is there, but that is only part of the booty, Bolton and Wolfowitz are both part of this PNAC war and death machine for profit. PNAC is basically the cheerleaders for the military industrial warmongers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:47 pmOH MOUTH FULL OF SH*T BILL HAS AN ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING!!!! CAN HE GIVE US ONE REASON TROOPS WERE PULLED OUT OF DESERT STORM???
Comment by Loretta Dakfein
What? you mean Desert Shield or Desert Storm?
It was Bush Sr. that pulled out of Iraq leaving Saddam in Power.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:01 pmAMERICAN MEDIA IS A VERY SICKENING PROPAGANDA MACHINE
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmMr. CLINTON is a friggin GENIUS with real values compared to the crazy money monkeys in control of death and lies in the current whitehouse.Who the hell cares if he couldn’t get good head from his wife and got it elsewhere,that’s just marriage problems,not a murderous policy of total corruption of EL DIABLOCO.
Jesus will not be helping the demons in the shithouse/whitehouse of a rogue nation…..KARMA KARMA KARMA IS COMING
Since Operation Iraqi Freedom and the American occupation of Iraq, the 1991 conflict is often referred to as “Gulf War I†or the “First Persian Gulf Warâ€, also known to Americans as Operations Desert Shield [Bush Sr.]
There is great regret in the Republican Party that Mr Bush’s father, President George Bush Sr, failed to deal with Saddam after the Gulf War, and contempt for the Clinton administration’s “containment plus regime change” policy. There have been no weapons inspections in Iraq since 1998, and America’s enforcement of a “no-fly” zone, and its continuing economic sanctions, have failed to eliminate Saddam’s grip on power.
I suppose Loretta you mean Clintons containment policy?
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmComment by nikolai — September 23, 2006 @ 3:26 pm
nikolai – you could well serve your neighbor by educating him of the facts and then any respect he or his opinion is given would be even better deserved… it’s not good to propagate false information…
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmyou could do BOTH of you a favor, and many others… just sayin’…
I didn’t vote for Clinton in 1996 because of his MFTN status for China. (Didn’t vote for Dole either.) But I sure miss him as President. I’m not going to repeat all the pro-Clinton, anti-Bush soundbites that get thrown around, but I will say I agree with the majority of posters here: it was great when we had an intelligent President who could speak in complete sentences, who could plan farther ahead than lunch, and who actually cared about the country and not just his cronies. He’s proving that now with his Global Initiative. I guarantee you, five years after his term is over Bush will be clearing brush and fishing in his stocked manmade lake.
It drives Republic*nts nuts that after Monica, after impeachment, after everything, Clinton left office with a 60% approval rating. It makes them crazy that people feel genuine affection for the man, not the angry, fanatic projection that people have for Duhhhbya. Clinton is a genuinely likeable man who wants to make everyone around him better. Duhhhbya is a spiteful hack who can’t stand anyone thinking they’re better than him. Remember–it was Duhhhbya who got his kicks as a teenager by blowing up frogs with firecrackers. Deep inside, he’s still the same hateful weenie.
And he couldn’t find oil in Texas.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm[...] Clinton agreed to go on Fox News Sunday and be interviewed, partly about his Clinton Global Intiative, and part as a free-for-all which naturally drifted to talking about bin Laden. To put it mildly, Clinton got a bit peeved. ThinkProgress with the transcript. CLINTON: What did I do? I worked hard to try and kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president we’d have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him. Now I never criticized President Bush and I don’t think this is useful. But you know we do have a government that thinks Afghanistan is 1/7 as important as Iraq. And you ask me about terror and Al Qaeda with that sort of dismissive theme when all you have to do is read Richard Clarke’s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive systematic way to try to protect the country against terror. And you’ve got that little smirk on your face. It looks like you’re so clever… [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:24 pm#441. I did Katy, but I still repect the man and his opinion. I think someone who has been thru hell (Vietnam) deserves to voice his opinion in the country he went to war for. I never was in the servcie; the draft was stopped by Nixon, just in time for the Nov ‘72 elections; at the time I was a c- college student, so I never had my ass shot at, but he sure did, so I have the utmost respect for him, but not just because he’s a vet, but because he’s a decent human being as well. I’m not like the republicans OR the democrats who condem everything they don’t agree with or understand. That’s why I registered as an Independent.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmAnd he couldn’t find oil in Texas.
‘at’s a good’n…
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:33 pmTo Jules, DrSinker and others posting on this blog who condemn anyone as a “troll†or “neocon†or cast aspersions on a person’s motives for comments that are not in “lock step†with your personal “agenda†– whatever that may be……Who are you…â€the thought policeâ€????? What is this….“dkos uber allis†Maybe you can start a new group called the “Troll Troopersâ€. I prefer freedom of speech.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:36 pm#446 live_free_or_die THANK YOU!
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pmCould’t we have Feingold/Gore or Gore Feingold for 08? please
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 pmI actually kinda feel sorry for Bush as he stumbles thru a speech, but then I remember how he’s never really had to live as (most of) the rest of us have. He’s never had to worry about making a mortgage or car payment, how to pay the medical bills for a sick child or parent, and for sure he has never gone hungry. And people say, “Have respect for your president.”
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmHAH! I have no respect for this loser of a human being, only contempt.
CAN HE GIVE US ONE REASON TROOPS WERE PULLED OUT OF DESERT STORM???
Comment by Loretta Dakfein
Bush Sr suffers premature withdrawal…?
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmConversation thugs
Hey Trolls. Spraying lies around is not ok even if it came from a vet or your pastor. For too long you have had your way as it is hard for decent people to carry on a conversation with thugs and bullies slamming all who dare to contradict a lie or ask any serious critical questions. Get used to loosing though as we have had enough. As far as all your hypocritical wining the only real response is “wa wa wa!â€
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmIf anyone doesn’t think this performance is as low rent as a person could be, then they have as little dignity and class has slick Bill.
I guess there is no doubt that it was Bill himself that who wanted to have the “Path” TV show pulled, not his dregs.
He sounded like a Jr. High kid in a pre schoolyard fight. It’s grim to see a full grown man loose his cool, but really bad when it’s a former president. If he gets asked this question so much you think he would have a slick answer by now, instead of taking it so personal. I guess the great man is more then a little insecure and it shows.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 pm#415…Hey, Unbelievable…
No, no Kool-Aid. You are correct, I do think attacking Iraq, in hindsight, was not handled very well. Well, actually, let me clarify that…The initial invasion and military operation that deposed Saddam was handles VERY well…It was done quickly and successfully with a minimum of U.S military and Iraqi civilian casualties. The AFTERMATH of liberation, however, has not been handled particularly well (Although, I am not sure anymore what could have been done in the aftermath that would have made things in Iraq any different than they are today)….But I am still hopeful that things may indeed turn out well for the Iraqi people and that they may indeed create the democratic, tolerant civilized society envisioned by President Bush … If that happens, he will indeed by known as the Great Liberator (I hope)…
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmNeocon: “Clinton did Zero to catch Bin Laden, “Path to 9/11≤ illustrated that.”
The Three Bears did nothing to secure their belongings. “Goldilocks and the Three Bears” illustrated that.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pm#412, Zooey, honey….
Not a whiner….A WINNER, baby!
And that’s why you love me!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:09 pmIt’s this kind of bitter partisanship that will be our downfall. We are at war with radical islam, but our energy is being misspent on *hateful* criticism and *divisive* partisanship! What our country needs _is_ *constructive* criticism and *rational* partisanship! Alas, my expectations seem much too high for our current political atmosphere that’s full of childish rage. As far as I’m concerned, Clinton just assimilated himself into that atmosphere.
By the way, love the title of the site – “Think Progress.” Too bad this article doesn’t reflect that title better.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmBefore Rush Limbaugh the right wingers thought that the word Legacy was whether dead grandpa’left them a horse or two goats.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 pm[...] During his interview with Bill Clinton, Wallace insisted it was conducted in “good faith.†Well, here’s how the Fox News website is promoting the interview, scheduled to be aired tomorrow: [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmMike Wallace should grab his little punk ass bitch of a son and put the boots to him. Oh the shame Mike has to deal with. His son a shill for Chimpy.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:19 pmNot a whiner….A WINNER, baby!
And that’s why you love me!
Comment by Exley
No, I think my first assessment was correct. Whiner, it is.
I love you, sweetie darling, because you need it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:30 pmIt certainly proves that Chris Wallace is NO Mike Wallace.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pm446 & 447
Here’s what Freedom of Speech means, it does not mean that you have freedom to say what ever you want anywhere. Idiot.
Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. Are you being censored? No.
Then shut up. (OK, now I’m trying to censor you, but only because you sound like an ass).
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:32 pmDon’t blame the whores like Wallace they aren’t reporters they’re actors. Always remember the idiot box (visual and audio) was designed to sell products to more people. EVERYTHING that isn’t a commercial including the NEWS is for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only, so you, the consumer will see what you need to have and must buy. The second was an afterthought.
Rupert Murdoch is buddies with Larry Silverstein they belong to the same republican jew club and they are as guilty as Bush for conspiring to take down two big money pit towers with Tuesday mornings loyal employees in it so that Israel can get what its getting now.
I just hope that somehow it all blows up in their faces.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:49 pmHi, Exley,
About your post in #453…
You are correct, I do think attacking Iraq, in hindsight, was not handled very well. Well, actually, let me clarify that…The initial invasion and military operation that deposed Saddam was handles VERY well…It was done quickly and successfully with a minimum of U.S military and Iraqi civilian casualties.
Without question, the invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam were handled very well. In fact, as these things go, they were handled about we well as could be expected, assuming they were necessary in the first place at all. Of course, they were not. One cannot deny that PNAC and its members had a lot to do with why we did it in the first place. They just needed to have an excuse to do it, so they fabricated one. The evidence is there that Saddam was not the threat they made him out to be, and since they wanted him removed even before they took office, it’s hard to argue that world events prior to the invasion made them do this. The attacks of 9/11 provided an excuse upon which they could fabricate their case for war (and fabricate they did). And other than to say that Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, let’s not go down the myriad of paths that could take us (especially the “path†in the movie.)
The AFTERMATH of liberation, however, has not been handled particularly well (Although, I am not sure anymore what could have been done in the aftermath that would have made things in Iraq any different than they are today)….
Well, here’s where we disagree. You see, it absolutely could have been handled better IF the Secretary of Defense had listened to the advice his generals gave, which included sending in way more troops than they did in order to secure the peace afterwards. General Shinseki told Rumsfeld this, and for his troubles, his replacement was announced more than a year early (effectively ending his career, for all intents and purposes.) Not only should Rumsfeld’s two resignations have been accepted, but he should have been fired several more times besides. Rumsfeld had this wild dream about turning our Armed Forces into a lean, mean fighting machine, and did not listen to anyone who said it wouldn’t work here. And since reconstruction was assigned to Rumsfeld (and not Powell, as the State Dept traditionally handled these things), it was beset by even more bad management. Rumsfeld is just not that good a Defense Secretary. He got his job because of his decades-long friendship with the man who picked himself to be Bush’s running mate, Dick Cheney; he wasn’t chosen because he was the best qualified, or particularly good at it.
But I am still hopeful that things may indeed turn out well for the Iraqi people and that they may indeed create the democratic, tolerant civilized society envisioned by President Bush …
While it’s good to hear you want the same things that we liberals want for the people of Iraq, I disagree that this is what Bush “envisioned†for them. I am in the camp that says the invasion of Iraq was done to give the American oil companies more access to Iraqi oil. That a “democratic, tolerant civilized society†might make that easier for them to accomplish this was just a bonus. Regardless of who ends up controlling Iraq (assuming it’s not us), no matter how much they support terrorism, the people in our government who think as bush does will make sure that Iraqi oil still goes through American oil companies. I honestly do not believe that bush gives a shit about the Iraqi people. During a Super Bowl party just before the invasion, someone had to explain to Bush that there is not “one Iraqi peopleâ€, and that there were differing groups there who really didn’t get along all that well unless someone was brutally stopping them from trying to hurt one another. It was highly unlikely that a “democratic, tolerant civilized society†would grow out of that.
If that happens, he will indeed by known as the Great Liberator (I hope)…Comment by Exley
I’m afraid it’ll be a blistering hot winter in International Falls, MN before that happens, but maybe that’s what the administration’s global climate policy is designed to do.
Have a good day.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmdems take note, grow some balls and fight back. there are 30 million rightwing nuts goose stepping to the anti-christ ROVE and his organ monkey BUSH. 30 million people(monkeys base) who should be ashamed of them selves.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:02 pm#464…Hey Wayne….Just wanted to say hi. You said a lot there to which I’d like to respond. But it’s a lazy Saturday and I am stretched out on the couch watching the Penn State-OSU game (Luckily for me the Mets-Nats game was the Fox Game of the Week here so I got to watch our boys win). Anyway, I am too tired to respond at length right now…I will later on…Say hi to Jane…Have a good weekend.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:09 pmHey Exley,
I guess itjust surprises me that you came this far but don’t see the connection between Bush not having handled the invasion of Iraq well and Bush not handling much else well… Can you name anything that he has done well that isn’t subjective? (Like Clinton’s budget surplus) Just curious.
Personally, I think having a Moderate in the office of President is the prefered route. Because someone in the middle can listen to, and implement ideas from both sides of the fence – not just their extremist base who are largely keyboard warriors and religious snake-handling fanatics… : )
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:15 pmYou, too, Exley. Looking forward to hearing from you where I went wrong. :)
Enjoy your games with balls. :)
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:19 pmSome years back, when Chris Wallace was at NBC, he got annoyed at a member of the TV crew who kept calling him “Chris,†and told the crew member “Call me Mr. Wallace.†The crew member shot back, “Mr. Wallace works at CBS.â€
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:20 pmWhat about Leftwing anti-Christian Islamic loving Marxists computer geek losers?
Comment by Papa Smurf
Is that statement based on facts, or is it just the ad hominem attack it appears to be?
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 pm[...] More here. Glad I didn’t see it, to watch a tv newsreader laugh at a former president of the United States for bringing up inconvenient facts. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 pmI voted for hime!
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:46 pmDidn’t vote for him either time, I, like Charles Barkley, was a Republican until they went crazy. I now hope Hilary runs and wins in 2008, if only to have Bill back in the White House. We need him now more than ever!
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:03 pmI’m not an American, but I like Clinton and his politics — but that’s not what I read from the transcript. What I read was really not written — it’s between the lines. It seems there’s an agenda afoot to rewrite history and distract Americans from the present administration’s failings. Feed disinformation to the populace and the result is confusion and doubts. The current administration is quite adept at taking advantage of confusion and doubts — which only furthers the failing of a once great democracy.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:10 pmOh! Doesn’t this just warm the cockles of your heart? Intelligence! As has already been said…it didn’t even have to come through wires from KKKarl Rove! I can’t believe the last elected President of the USA decided to go on Faux network though…although you can’t get your message out anywhere but suck-up media nowadays anyway. Sigh……………………….
What I’d like to know is how come the Rethugs never screamed over and over and over again to Bush the Elder about why he didn’t do something before the FIRST WTC attack? After all, Clinton was only in office a couple or three months when that happened…where was all the criticism of the former President then? No one minded handing responsibility for that over to Bill did they? But Duh-bya has 3 times as long to prepare, does nothing and fails miserably and neo-cons jump on Clinton! Go figure.
Commander Codpiece will go down in history as the stupidest, meanest, most dishonest pResident this country ever endured. And may I agree that Fredericks description is right on.
Thank you for Think Progress…where would we be without you?
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 pm…there’s an agenda afoot to rewrite history and distract Americans from the present administration’s failings…
Comment by Andy Dabydeen — September 23, 2006 @ 7:10 pm
a very astute observation… guess it’s even easier to see from a distance…
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 pm…
many heare are hopeful that the once great democracy can be saved…
we’re trying, anyway!
…
Note to Bill Clinton: You were too soft on Chris Wallace. You need to come out swinging man. These guys have done nothing but piss all over your reputation for the last 8 years- yeah that includes two that you were in office. Now they are going to try to scapegoat you with their failures? No f-in way! Team Bush/Cheney have fought too damn hard to create this albatross. They are gonna wear the damn thing until the end of the age, and frankly after the Monica sh-t that their people put you through, there’s no one I’d like more to see make them wear it. Poetic Justice, frankly.
It’s long past time for the dems. including yourself. to come out and defend yourselves actively. You know Bushes people are already working to rewrite history and this disney fiasco is just the first phase. Everyone thought it was amusing to watch Grover Norquist advocate and advance his Reagan fetish. Given current events, you can now see that the Reagan fetish was just the first trial run toward the process of manufacturing a culture of leader worship; dangerous in its implication and fundamentally unAmerican.
Bill, settle up with Al and get the team back together. We can’t afford not to have you guys involved in the modern political scene. They managed to split you up and demoralize both of you. It’s time to heal and get back up on the horse. There’s a lot of love out here for both you guys.
The “conservatives” allow themselves to be represented by media and political figures who demonstrate a complete lack of morality as well as a profound lack of respect for the truth. There must be a price for this sophistry otherwise the American system has no value.
Bill, you may not know me, but you can google and find my vast history of comments on the web. If you want this supporter- use your digital savvy to locate me.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:51 pmThe problem with all these Bush apologists in that they have their heads so far up their anuses so long that they could not tell the truth if they defecated.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:20 pmOff topic -My concern. We have lost the Fox. We are chasing Clinton Vs. Wallace. In the mean time will GWB launch a war with Iran? I normally think I can predict what the pols will do–this one I am lost. This is most likely more important than Global Warming (which is super important). Either one can end life as we know it. How about a poll of all denizens of TP progs/trolls/libs/conserves/whatever and vote: will bubble boy pull the trigger?
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:24 pmClinton: All of President Bush’s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much. Same people.
He is right, see the following:
http://www.conservativeusa.org/wagdog.htm
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:27 pmOff topic: We have lost the fox. Instead of Clinton VS: Wallace will Bubble boy pull the trigger and attack Iraq. All denizens of TP vote. I can’t make up my mind and this more important than even global warming.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:27 pmRats -double posted that one-thought I lost it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:29 pm“CLINTON: It was a perfectly legitimate question…”
So quit whining, losers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:37 pmWe have lost the Fox. We are chasing Clinton Vs. Wallace. In the mean time will GWB launch a war with Iran?
Comment by Joefriday
ok – the proverbial face slap… you may be correct, joefriday…
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:38 pmjeeeeeez…
best be alert – they would love to use the diversion, especially one they did not intentionally direct…
aw jeeeesh…
great…for more news like this, check out http://thumbjig.blogspot.com The owner of the site has some great insight. I imagine they will post about it soon.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:31 pmI think Bill just showed the Dems and Progressives what we have to do to win this year and in 08. When he ran for president in 92 I was struck by :
1-His passion for people and issues
2-His Enormous Intellect
3-His ability to articulate ideas and goals for the Democratic Party and People.
4-His absoulute belief in the ideals and goodness and the Promise of our Great Country.
5-The fact that he could see Bullshit and call it for what it was.
6-His Fearlessness in engaging the Right Wing Attack Machine and Winning.
Its those two points that are so important now. We (Dems and fellow travelers) have stood mute and impotent on the sidelines for 6 LONG YEARS now. It has to stop! Bill Hhas given us the Blueprint for doing it. Attack, Attack, Attack! Don’t let up, n ot for a second. Every time Rove and Company and Fox and their minnons spout their lies, hit back with the truth and facts. Because I think in the end we win. Why? Because the American People are finally coming to terms with what has happened. Call it “Buyers Remorse” if you want or any other term. A reckoning is coming and for the GOP it won’t be pretty.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:37 pmEdit: I should have typed, “Its those last two points, especially that are so important now.” My bad!
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:41 pmcould somebody please give me a ruling on this — Hilary runs for president and she nominates BILL as her VICE-president. what’s the legality on that?
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:50 pmPerfectly Legal. Whether the American People would go for it is a different matter. (Oh, I can dream though!)
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:04 pm[...] Transcript is here. Permalink [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:21 pmwoe is me we miss ya willie me lad.please help us get this idiot out of the wh.he’s making me fricking nuts.i’d love to watch this interview but watching fox news gives me the high velocity scutters and makes me vomit at the same time.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:30 pmDamn Straight!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 pmWe need more of this!
[...] Think Progress » FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News: WALLACE: Do you think you did enough sir? [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:58 pm[...] I think Bush should have been forced to watch this every morning, maybe then he would have finished the job in Afghanistan instead of wasting our time with Iraq. We have now passed the death toll from 9/11 US Casualties. And in December we will have been in Iraq longer than we were in World War II. How can anyone still believe that we should have went into Iraq. Clinton will be on Fox tomorrow, here is an excerpt from the interview,Clinton vs. Fox there is a link at the bottom to the entire interview. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmWay to go Bill,
Regardless of the Lewinsky B.S., this man was President of the United States, and he showed it. The fact of the matter, he went after Bin Laden, and although he did not get him, he still tried. Lest we forget Bush has yet to get him, with even more provocation to do so. It’s about time someone stood up to the bullying tactics by Bush or a Fox News.
I am so sick of their crap.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:18 amNothing like being called out on the mat by a real pro, and in the full public gaze, hey Faux? I mean, talking about an own goal.
Bwahahahahahahaha.
America, I got a lot of time for you (for jazz and Mac computers alone I am in your debt), and the rest of the world owes you a fair bit,… but you messed up real bad when you elected Ol’ Georgie Boy over Al Gore, (and worse, then re-elected the vicious moron, there’s just no excuses for the second time round). Al Gore was one of the most qualified people to ever run for the US presidency, and that lost opportunity is one of history’s great ‘What ifs’.
Your credibility around the world these days is lower than a rattler’s belly, including amongst your friends, well, your allies.
Show us you still got it where it counts, and fix the problem properly, and promptly. We are all running out of time.
Your days as the world’s unchallenged superpower are coming to an end. Let go of your imperialist fantasies gracefully, and learn your place, like the rest of us have to.
Have a nice day.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:51 amThe PROBLEM isn’t just Bush and it wasn’t Clinton. It’s the manipulative bastards like Rupert Murdoch who can communicate pure bullshit to 110 million people a minute, and do.
I don’t know why but Thomas Jefferson’s quote about the guy who can’t read is more intelligent than the guy who reads only news comes to mind on a daily basis lately!
September 24th, 2006 at 3:15 am[...] Think Progress » FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News Today, President Bill Clinton taped an interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace, which is scheduled to be aired Sunday. He was told the interview would focus on his nonpartisan efforts to raise over $7 billion to combat the world’s biggest problems. [...]
September 24th, 2006 at 4:35 amAt least BC gave a full-throated defense, but I fear it will sound like sputtering to people who don’t already know the history. Too fragmentary.
But at least he made clear he thinks there is more to the story than what they hear on Fox. And yet, I don’t know any place on the Web where people can go to get the full story. Names, dates, places. The legislation they introduced that got shot down by the cons. The Gore airline security commission. The Hart commission. Quotes on the public record. Ramzi Yousef and the Blind Sheik who might be as well-known as OBL if they weren’t rotting in their cells. The financial system reforms shot down by Gramm and Bush.
And we haven’t begun to document the mistakes since. What about the cache of plastic explosives that they left unguarded? Made a splash before the 2004 election, never heard a word about it since. How many US amputees from that stuff?
Even better, maybe somebody could tell the history and set it in some kind of strategic context. The cons have framed it as ‘law enforcement’ (legalisms and lawyers and delay) vs. ’secret war’ (James Bond taking out kneecaps before the bad guys can get us).
If we want to get an alternative message out, we are going to have to work harder than sending BC to sputter at some fox hack.
September 24th, 2006 at 9:18 amOn 9/11 I was listening to a “progressive” radio host and he was very excited to have the former director of the UBL task force for the CIA as a guest. His enthusiasm was palpable when he asked him what he thought about the fact that Bush had received a memo in his briefing about UBL being a threat. Sitting on the edge of his seat the answer came…by the time that Bush received the memo it was much too late. UBL had gone into deep hiding toward the end of 2000 and no one knew where he was. He went on to say that the real problem was the Clinton adminstration’s reckless focus on polls and political aspirations that was the cause for us not having stopped UBL. He said that he personally had the opportunity at least 9 times to kill UBL but for political reasons was told not to do so. In his opinion Clinton was too focused on how killing him might make him look to one country, person or another to do what had to be done.
The “progressive” host, not accustomed to having anyone on his show who might have a differing opinion was was left literally speachless. He even had to say that he didn’t know how to respond to that. He was sure he would start a conversation that would allow him to blame Bush, but instead the truth smacked him in the face and knocked him off the edge of his seat. Now that’s beautiful!!!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:56 amWell it’s nice to see all the Freepers here. Of course, it does bring the level of discourse down into the gutter, but thats where the freepers feel most comfortable.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:01 amClinton showed once again why he was such a good president. His intellect and communication skills make the shrub look like a 15 your old.
WOW I was hoping Bill would put him in his place, looks like Bill lost this one, if he only would have put that kind of energy in finding Osama instead of seducing young interns maybe he could have caught or killed Bin Laden. You let me down on this one Bill you got your ass handed to you. We will see Bill again when he’s the first lady, and his wife will be the one getting head in the oval office after all she does have a bigger penis and balls than him
September 24th, 2006 at 11:16 amFight For Survival
Name the show, because it sounds to me like you are speaking a load of horse crap. Nice try though.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:17 amBruce + Gorton
I’m not sure of the guys name because I don’t listen often enough (I think it is Jay something) but it’s the morning show in the Denver market on AM 760, the same station that carries Al Franken and Randi Rhodes.
Funny, none of my liberal friends ever believe it when I confront them with facts. They never want to read anything that proves this about Clinton, or his deal with Loral to let them sell our directional missle technology to the Chinese Red Army (did it through an executive order…there was one story about it in the New York Times, then it was killed) just after his first election (which Loral and the red army were some of his biggest contributors, now their missels and anyone else’s they decide to share with can actually reach us and go where they want them to). I could go on, but I’m sure your not interested in anything that has actual facts to back it up. I could probably interest you in a conspiracty theory about how Bush planned 9-11 though. There was a time when I was in a debate with one of my liberal friends (she actually moved here after 9-11. Her husband who is an Emmy awared winning camera man (and a Republican)was filming for NBC in New York City on 9-11 and ended up as a first responder. It traumatized them, so they moved) where she got so frustrated with the way that I was presenting her with facts and proof to back them up, that she finally threw up her hands and said “I’m not used to this, normally everyone who I am with agrees with me”…typical liberal elites…very idealistic approach to the world that can’t hold water when it comes to reality.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:40 amI don’t know any place on the Web where people can go to get the full story. Names, dates, places…
Comment by Liberal+Shmiberal — September 24, 2006 @ 9:18 am
Lie by Lie: Chronicle of a War Foretold: August 1990 to March 2003
motherjones.com
an excellent timeline…
September 24th, 2006 at 12:31 pmJust like he told the nation that he “did not have sex with that woman”, Clinton sits there and lies to Wallace in his attempt to move opinion in his favor and change history, and you people are believing him. Incredible!!!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:44 pmComment by Fight For Survival — September 24, 2006 @ 11:40 am
just so you know, it’s all bullshit, what you said… bullshit…
September 24th, 2006 at 12:53 pm…
You dumb shit, brainwashed Republicans supporters, havn’t got a clue to how unpatriotic you have became, supporting this piece of evil shit you call a President. While he and his crony ass friends rob the US treasury, create havoc throughout the world, destroy our democratic society, cut monies from every sector of our government and push for privitization to assist his friends to get richer. Using mine control, and hiding behind pseudo Christians whom are all destined for hell. or Republican heaven, which ever you may call it. As they destroy God’s earth, God’s people, cause undo suffering.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:57 pmWhen this idiot says our way of life, he is not speaking of our way of life, he is speaking of greed, corruption, and international corporate control where he and his sich friends profit for money and power. This greed and corporate corruption is what truly caused 9/11.
You should ask yourselves, what has improved while these Republican nut cases have been in charge since 1994?
All I hear is, you know Clinton had an affair and was impeached.
What Republicans in office havn’t had an affair?
Most of these corrupt hypocrits not only have had affairs but some with gay prostitutes.
Your hero Bush tried to put the make on a young intern himself.
Dave
What a bunch of ignorant asses. Munich 1972, Tehran 1979, Beirut Marine Baracks 1983, Somalia, Lebanon, Lockerbee—and we haven’t even entered the Bush years yet. Bottom line, Clinton was the most spinless leader we have ever had. “I have seen the cowardice of the american soldier” Bin Laden post Somalia. Bush is the FIRST to take the fight to them. BOTTOM line, people will die. Islam extremists want us dead. Should our citizens die in the local WalMart or in the Middle East? I vote we keep taking the fight to them.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:30 pmBe aware – be very aware…………the last time he shook his finger at America, it was a lie about Monica. What can we read into it this time?
What an embarrassment that a president (lower case intended) would make such a spectacle of himself around the world.
Wonder if MRS. Rodham-CLINTON is still standing by her man????????
Remember this incident in ‘08.
After all is said, I’m not surprised that he showed his true colors – you always see a person for who he really is under pressure.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:49 pmAfter all is said, I’m not surprised that he showed his true colors – you always see a person for who he really is under pressure.
Comment by Jillian
Have you seen George W. Bush lately…?
Have you noticed no one ever calls him Mr. President? People call him Mr. Bush. I wonder why…?
September 24th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#445, Wayne…(I hope it is still #445…The posting numbers keep changing):
1. LIBERATION: We agree that the initial invasion and deposing of Saddam were masterfully handled, with a minimum of U.S. military and Iraqi civilian casualties. We may disagree whether deposing Saddam was the correct thing to do or not (I maintain that it was indeed the right thing to do for a variety of reasons, including Saddam’s ties to terrorism, the belief held by both Republicans and Democrats and the United Nations that Iraq possessed WMDs, and humanitarian reasons). Leaving aside a discussion of whether the post-Saddam phase of liberation was handled well (I believe it was handled poorly), given the relative ease of the initial invasion, there really can be no disagreement whether deposing this monstrous dictatorship that was an avowed enemy of the United States was the correct decision or not. Of course it was.
As for your assertion that only the Bush “neocons” (Sidenote: And God, do I hate hearing that term misused over and over again by the media and posters here….”Neoconservatives” refer to former Democrats from the 1960s and 1970s who became Reaganites in the late 1970s and 1980s because they were disgusted with the post-Vietnam pacificism of the Democratic Party) were the only people who wanted Saddam deposed ignores history…Wayne, PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON was the one who made regime change in Iraq the official policy goal of the United States. This came after the U.S. Senate unanimously passed the Iraqi Liberation Act in 1998.
So again to claim the regime change was solely a Bush neocon “plot” is just plain incorrect.
2. POST-LIBERATION: As I said above, the post-liberation phase of the U.S. efforts have not unfolded as any one of us would have wanted. Yes, I am aware of the policy disagreements pre-liberation about troop strength and reconstruction. Perhaps more troops would have changed things, but to honest, Wayne, given the Iraqi-on-Iraqi carnage going on right now, I doubt it. It appears that no matter what we could have done, the Iraqis would not have taken advantage of the golden opportunity the Coalition gave Iraq by deposing Iraq to create a democratic, tolerant society. The Iraqis seem hellbent on indulging in racial, religious, and ethnic conflict among themselves.
3. OIL. Well, Wayne, here is where we find no common ground. Your “war-for-oil” argument is — for lack of a better term — a conspiracy theory, for which neither you nor anybody else has or can offer any evidence. The burden is on those who claim that this was a “war for oil” to prove their case. And there is just no proof. It is nothing more than a “feeling” or belief held by those of a certain political bent who are always assume the worst and overstate the influence of “bib business” or “global corporations.”
No disrespect, Wayne (and you know I mean that), but to argue the “war for oil” theory is as pointless as arguing with someone who is convinced the CIA killed Kennedy or that the moon landing was faked.
4. METS. I really wanted 100 wins…Still possible if we run the table, but it’s a tall order.
September 24th, 2006 at 2:45 pmTo all of you liberal Bush haters…
Talk about blind support…don’t bother you with any facts. David is a perfect example of your idea of a good liberal. Not one thing he said is based in any fact or example, just a bunch of hate filled, mind numbed, class warfare, hate America blabber.
If you don’t think what I am saying is true, you can look it up because I have given specifics with names so all of you who say I am full of crap should put your actions where your mouth is and look it up. I know you are probably scared to find the truth, but you should give it a try sometime.
Everyone would love the world to be a big happy place, but it’s not, so stop with the idealism and expecting us (the U.S) to behave as if it is. Your ideals a great, but I say again, they don’t stand up in the real world. As if when the Dems were in control they weren’t helping out their buddies, you must be kidding! I could annoy you more with facts about the deficit and the fact that is is the lowest ever as a percentage of GDP in wartime, how revenues to the government have increased since the tax cuts that we all received (come on, admit it, you know you got a check didn’t you?), who Clinton pardoned, the corporations who cooked the books and cost the little guy big under Clinton, but it doesn’t really matter at this point does it?
The fact of the matter is that these people are out to kill us and WE are in a fight for our survival, they aren’t going to come over here and say “all of you understanding liberals move to the other side of the room so we can blow up the Republicans.” They want us all dead because we are Americans, that’s all. If you ask them what they want they will tell you that they will be happy when we are all dead or forced to accept Islam and when all of the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans and that are the right of every human are a thing of the past. Is it really true that you do not see this, do you really believe that you could somehow talk to these people and come to some sort of “understanding”…give me a break!
We Americans need to get it together (like when we were fighting the Nazis). The blind liberal need to go against every thing this President does or says is aiding the enemy…feeding them valuable information and allowing them the time they need to carry out their plans. We need to support our country and fight for our way of life or we won’t have it for much longer…if that is a happy thought for you I would suggest you move to Syria or Venezuela where you can be truly happy and can be surrounded by others who think just the way you do.
September 24th, 2006 at 3:01 pmYou can spin this all you want, but the simple fact is that Clinton unravelled over one question, and became a blathering fool. Heck, he even wagged his finger in the all to familiar: “I did not have sex with that women Miss Bin Laden”.
Not only was it NOT an attempt to smear, it was actually a very simple question. “Do you think you did enough to capture Bin Laden?” No reason to come unglued the way he did, unless of course it’s because it hit some nerve with him.
He now knows that Hillary’s campaign is D.O.A.
September 24th, 2006 at 3:03 pmExley
Thanks for explaining what NeoCons means…people keep referring to me that way and none of them could ever tell me what they meant by that.
Also, I agree whole heartedly with your comments…thoughtful well researched remarks based in fact and REALITY, how refreshing!
September 24th, 2006 at 3:06 pmHey Johnsom,
September 24th, 2006 at 3:30 pmYou don’t realize it yet, but people like you are the reason why thousands of American soldiers have died in Iraq for no reason, and why nearly a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis have died since the beginning of the Neocon War. If you’d take the time to read a newspaper instead of just turning on Fox News every night, or if you actually decided to travel the world a bit and realize we’re all in this together, then maybe you wouldn’t have all these deaths on your conscience, . . . oh wait a minute, you still don’t get it. I guess is ignorance is bliss afterall.
Let’s see… recent history… President Reagan pulls out of Bierut after a truck bomb kills how many Marines? President Bush Sr., as former head of CIA should have had the most inside track on terrorist threats and does what? Make more deals with the Saudis? Republicans and the conservative press attack Clinton every time he got involved in any foreign intervention – they accused Clinton of grandstanding, using America’s military for his own political gain, endlessly criticized our intervention anywhere, Bosnia, etc. Talk about being anti-American and undermining the President. The Republicans during Clinton’s administration were treasonous. Then they decide our national discourse should be focused on a President’s sex life. Once Bush Jr.’s in office, they ignore the outgoing Clinton administration advice regarding terrorism, and instead CUT THE BUDGET on anti-terrorism. With these kinds of facts, I’m glad I don’t have to try and defend Republicans. I guess re-writing history is a smart defense after all.
September 24th, 2006 at 3:40 pm#496, Fight for Survival,
Thank you for your comments. They are appreciated.
September 24th, 2006 at 3:57 pmHey PJ,
September 24th, 2006 at 4:09 pmYou don’t realize it yet, but people like you are the reason why thousands of AMERICANS died in NY on 9/11 for no reason other than the fact that they went to work that morning, and why hundreds of thousands more might die if people like you had your way. If you took the time to do anything BUT read the Old York Times and the leftist propaganda Pinchy puts out, you wouldn’t have all these deaths on your conscience, ….oh wait a minute, worry about American Deaths in America, oh my, how silly of me. I guess ignorance is bliss for you, and death for fellow Americans.
The simple fact of the matter is that Clinton had many opportunities to get Bin Laden. Heck, he was handed to him on a silver platter, and he didn’t want to touch it, just like he didn’t want to do anything about the Cole, World Trade Towers I, and anything else that smelled of state sponsorship. He was too worried about his legacy. So, what does he have as a legacy, instead? World Trade Tower II, and 3000 dead Americans, and Bin Laden still on the loose.
Oh yeah, another part of his legacy was sending in storm troopers with loaded AK-47s to pick up dangerous Elian Gonzalez. Yeah, that’s the Clinton/Reno legacy. Elian’s Mother died to get him the heck out of Cuba, and Clinton sends him back. Nice.
Let him keep wagging his finger, and really put some nails in the coffin of Hillary’s Campaign.
September 24th, 2006 at 4:20 pmFight for Survival,
Nice post. Unfortunately, the enemy is never going to stop trying to tear down this country.
September 24th, 2006 at 4:23 pmAnyone catch Arianna Huffington on Reliable Sources? Instead of using the opportunity to hammer home the truth of what Clinton said she used her time to criticize Clinton for associating with people like Rupert Murdoch!! She could have supported his statements both on his record on terrorism and on the bias of the media against him and for Bush. Juan Williams, on the other hand, actually did a good job of pointing out the facts.
Liberals need to email Fox and other outlets and back Clinton up. He is right that they have never asked these questions of the current administration. Believe me, the right wingers are weighing in.
September 24th, 2006 at 4:25 pmanybody else notice how the republicains act like world war 2 nazis. take control of the media for prapaganda only, hold rallies where only republicians get in and call it free speech, have carefully crafted news bites with pre-scripted questions, tell good americans their with the enemy if they disagree with them, tell people who question them they are imbolding the enemy or go way out of the way to discredit them by outright lies and repeat them over and over until they become fact, out a cia agent, never ever have anything good to say about anyone who disagrees with them, hold people with no trial. when was the first time bush sat down with a group of people(republician, dems, independants) and answered any questions. never. FLAG BURNING IS WRONG BUT IT IS FREE SPEECH, ABORTION IS BAD NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT BUT ITS A WOMENS CHOICE AND GAYS ARE PEOPLE TO. BUSH was in the national guard because of his father, he was not the next in line to be admitted, CHENEY during the viet nam war had better things to do. i bet the the people who have died in irag had better things to do. clinton made a personel mistake, which is between him and his family, bush has made a world wide mistake which will affect everybodies family.
September 24th, 2006 at 4:41 pmThank you Bill Clinton! Now if all the other Democratic leaders would speak out as clearly and strongly to expose the lies of the neocons, we might be able to get this country out of the mess that King George has led us into.
September 24th, 2006 at 4:56 pmHello Clintin was set up. ever asked why his wife stuck around and never devorced him? He wasn’t going to do what the goons wanted so they discredited him. Now Bush ….wel hes the goon leader and wants to kill the world ever thought of voting the right person back to power?
September 24th, 2006 at 4:56 pmHear Hear Bill for pres Bush for the gallows.
bush doesn’t have enough brains to fill up the tip of PRESIDENT CLINTONS little finger. It was great to see him take on Chris Wallace and the fox network. I hope I can find out when this is to be aired so I can tape it .They have gone after President Clinton since he first ran for the Presidency and no matter what they did to him he kept his mind on his job and this country was in such good shape when he left office. We were respected by ALL other countries, people welcomed PRESIDENT CLINTON when he went to their country and what do they do when bush goes, they burn him in effigy or protest. Smart people…anyone with any brain at all would know which of the two is intelligent, caring, worked hard for this country and should go down in history as a great President. bush should go down in history as the worse thing that has ever happened to this country since it’s beginning. By the way, Clinton could serve as President if he were Vice President and something happened to the country, he just can’ t run for President (at least that was in a magazine, Newsweek I think) So lets hope someone is smart enough to choose him as thier running mate, we sure could use him. President Clinton, you are the greatest.
September 24th, 2006 at 5:01 pmI love it when he shook is finger – I mean he just reminded the whole country “I did not have sex with that woman, Monica”. Keep it up Bill – I love remembering your short comings – you have SO MANY!!
He is such a prick and so slimy – way to go Fox – give him the grilling the mainstream liberal media won’t touch…. Woo Hoo!
September 24th, 2006 at 5:38 pmA President that is smart and can speak intelligently…..what a concept. Way to go Clinton! I wonder how the evil conservatives will spin this one. Surely they will find some twisted way to make this a victory for them.
September 24th, 2006 at 6:03 pm@ #81 Allen Combs is nothing more than a setup man for BIG MOUTH, Sean Hannity. If Allen were a real Democrat he wouldn’t set there every night and take that crap that Hannity hands out. Hannity is the guy along with O’Reilly that I would like to see “My Man Bill” nail next.
September 24th, 2006 at 6:25 pmGod that was beautiful and the rest of the Democrats need to follow suit and get some ba__s about them.
I certainly agree and have for 12 years wished we had Clinton back for president. The country was insane to listen to the
September 24th, 2006 at 6:25 pmwako hysterics of the right and drum him out.
To hell with them!
# 509 May I refer you to #508
Perhaps #508 was right about the likes of #509……
September 24th, 2006 at 6:31 pmH i P- o -C r I t E s……
from webster; conserative party- noting or pertaining to a political party whose characteristic principle is opposition to change in the institutions of a country. liberal-favorable to progress or reform. opposition to change or favorable to progress, i will take being liberal. heros of the right, oliver north-lied before congress, sold guns/ammo to terorrist. bill o’reilly-sex offender(settled out of court), limbaugh-lier, drug adddict, loser. gingrich-lier, adulter(how many wifes?). conservative hears only what they want everyone else is a lier. one can only take so much of herr roves probagada lies, because the truth will not set him free, before they snap. clinton snapped. should have happened long ago.
September 24th, 2006 at 7:07 pmbeau ti ful neo con, you sound quite vindictive about clintons sexual misconduct, why aren’t you angry about bush’s incompetence. And if you want to talk about lies that don’t matter talk about Bill Clintons. Its the bush lies that matter and that have nearly ruined our country beyond repair and here you are name calling regarding someone lying about a personal act, quit obsessing over his sex life, and worry about your country
September 24th, 2006 at 7:09 pmI just watched the interview again. It’s really hysterical. Billy Boy was ranting and raving, blubbering, spattering, poking his finger, quivering in red faced hysterics. All because Wallace asked him, “do you think you did enough to capture Bin Laden?” You should have heard Bill:
“I did not have sex with Bin Laden, I did not have sex with that man, Bin Laden, I did not have sex….aaaaaahahhggghgghg.”
I thought he was going to jump Chris and start pummeling him.
Hillary must be dying. God that was funny!
September 24th, 2006 at 7:16 pm[...] I don’t always agree with Bill Clinton, but he sure cheered me up today. I was starting to think he’d completely lost his mind, hanging about with the Bushes. I’m being asked this on the FOX network…ABC just had a right wing conservative on the Path to 9/11 falsely claim that it was based on the 9/11 Commission report with three things asserted against me that are directly contradicted by the 9/11 Commission report. I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans who now say that I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was obsessed with Bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much. Same people. … I had responsibility for trying to protect this country. I tried and I failed to get Bin Laden. I regret it but I did try. And I did everything I thought I responsibly could. The entire military was against sending special forces into Afghanistan and refueling by helicopter and no one thought we could do it otherwise…We could not get the CIA and the FBI to certify that Al Qaeda was responsible while I was President. Until I left office. And yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this. I think that’s strange. [...]
September 24th, 2006 at 7:25 pm[...] Not time to blog this in depth, all fairly explanatory. In short, everyone should: Read this, watch this and digg this. [...]
September 24th, 2006 at 7:37 pmhello johnson-i watched the interview, i did not hear bill say sex at all or any reference to sex with bin laden, but i guess if your are a republicain, whatever you say must be true. sex with a man- is this a freudian slip?
September 24th, 2006 at 7:44 pmStick a pig and it’ll squeal!
September 24th, 2006 at 8:06 pmI’m surprised. The interview was supposed to be 1/2 about his initiative, but instead he launches into an attack of Chris Wallace and claims “a hit job”. It was a simple question. He didn’t HAVE to spend 10 minutes answering it. The fact that he did shows that he is more interested in spending his time spreading the “right wing conspiracy” LIE as opposed to actually doing good. His final answer was a good one. If he’d stopped there, he’d have been MILES ahead. Instead, he spent time savaging Wallace for asking a very BASIC question. And a fair question. So WHAT if he has or hasn’t asked anyone else? And as for Somalia, Clinton is clearly lying. The US was supposed to be OUT of Somalia, the right wingers WERE calling for it, but we were supposed to be out already and he kept us there. And Al Qaeda WAS involved and interested. While not fighting there in a very direct way, they had shared information on how to bring down Blackhawks, and had sent some of their trainers.
So, Clinton, you may have fairly asked Wallace why he hasn’t asked the question of anyone else…but you don’t have all your facts straight, either. And you may have wanted to have 1/2 the interview about your initiatives, but you turned into a “right wing hit job” that wasn’t.
You’re a nut Clinton…
September 24th, 2006 at 8:12 pm#100: Where are the hard questions for the republicans during the Clinton years on terrorism? Where are News clips and lobbying of the Clinton Administration to fight terrorism by Republicans etc? Did republicans even show a concern toward terrorism during the Clinton years? These are simple systematic questions that need answered by Fox News since they always state their fair and balanced.
September 24th, 2006 at 8:26 pmIt’s a shame that Clinton tries to avoid responsibility for his horrible time as president. But is it really that surprising? I mean this is a Clinton! lol
I love that the people on this site think Clinton actually did a good job defending himself. He came off looking parinoid and nervous that the truth might come out…that he did not do a good job of combating terrorism. There is a big difference between talking about fighting terrorism and actaully doing it.
Clinton mentions that if he had attacked Osama the right wing would have claimed that he was trying to get the nation’s attention off of Monica-gate. Lame excuse, look at Bush. The war isn’t popular but he is willing to put himself on the line because he knows that it is best for the country, even if it costs him politically. Too bad Clinton didn’t have the same attitude!
September 24th, 2006 at 8:28 pmPresident Clinton is obviously sensitive to this issue and those of you that have read the 9/11 commission report would know that much of Bin Laden’s influence and stature was certainly gained on Clinton’s watch. Somalia, the first WTC bombing, cutting intelligence spending, all in the 9/11 report if you care to read it… I do believe President Clinton deeply wishes he had done more… than focus on denying Miss Lewinski and his cigars, but then again he is married to Hillary. President Clinton could have gotten Bin Laden too, but he couldn’t find him either. He was the Commander-in-Chief and therefore responsible. I’m sure he regrets this.
That being said, it is clear that President Bush also deserves responsibility for his share of inaction in this event and what has resulted and I fault him for as much but I take issue with those who cheer this or any interview with the intent of embellishing political positions overly convenient to a particular view. This interview was to emphasize the good that was being done in trying to solve some of the world’s problems. Very admirable and we should keep that in mind.
The great thing about the 9/11 report is that it was submitted in bi-partisan fashion and without dissent. Read it. Think about it.
You will learn that it was not about assigning individual blame, but that it was an accounting of the event, what led up to it, and it was intended to identify lessons learned.
What they learned was this: we are dealing with “…an enemy who is sophisticated, patient, disciplined and lethal. The enemy rallies broad support in the Arab and Muslim world by demanding redress of political grievances, but its hostility toward us and our values is limitless. Its purpose is to rid the world of religious and political pluralism, the plebiscite, and equal rights for women. It makes no distinction between military and civilian targets. Collateral damage is not in its lexicon”
If you wish to blame this event on anyone, look at yourself (Republicans and Democrats) and start there. Presidents Clinton and Bush could both do well to observe this point.
September 24th, 2006 at 8:30 pmPresident Clinton is obviously sensitive to this issue and those of you that have read the 9/11 commission report would know that much of Bin Laden’s influence and stature was certainly gained on Clinton’s watch. Somalia, the first WTC bombing, cutting intelligence spending, all in the 9/11 report if you care to read it… I do believe President Clinton deeply wishes he had done more… than focus on denying Miss Lewinski and his cigars, but then again he is married to Hillary. President Clinton could have gotten Bin Laden too, but he couldn’t find him either. He was the Commander-in-Chief and therefore responsible. I’m sure he regrets this.
That being said, it is clear that President Bush also deserves responsibility for his share of inaction in this event and what has resulted and I fault him for as much but I take issue with those who cheer this or any interview with the intent of embellishing political positions overly convenient to a particular view. This interview was to emphasize the good that was being done in trying to solve some of the world’s problems. Very admirable and we should keep that in mind.
The great thing about the 9/11 report is that it was submitted in bi-partisan fashion without dissent. Read it. Think about it.
You will learn that it was not about assigning individual blame, but that it was an accounting of the event, what led up to it, and it was intended to identify lessons learned.
What they learned was this: we are dealing with “…an enemy who is sophisticated, patient, disciplined and lethal. The enemy rallies broad support in the Arab and Muslim world by demanding redress of political grievances, but its hostility toward us and our values is limitless. Its purpose is to rid the world of religious and political pluralism, the plebiscite, and equal rights for women. It makes no distinction between military and civilian targets. Collateral damage is not in its lexicon”
If you wish to blame this event on anyone, look at yourself (Republicans and Democrats) and start there. Presidents Clinton and Bush could both do well to observe this point.
September 24th, 2006 at 8:33 pm#521, Bin Laden had nothing to do with Somialia. That was an individual warlord separated from anything to do with Bin Laden. And If bin laden did have something to do with it even indirectly by training Somalis had to take down black hawks why didnt’ the Republicans do anything about it.
September 24th, 2006 at 8:35 pmClinton smacked down Fox? Not the interview I saw.
September 24th, 2006 at 8:38 pmAll the Fox guy did was ask Bill Clinton a question.
Clinton got really upset and blew the whole thing out of
proportion accusing the guy of setting him up?
Give me a break.
Of course Bill ran around the question that he didn’t like
like he always does.
Oh, and about the comment of the path of 9/11 and
how the right wingers had their little show on…
(By the way, it was full of many facts from the 9/11 Commission)
Gee…Thanks for letting it air Bill.
Considering that the rest of the other channels on my
TV are all Republican.
Let me start off by saying that first I am an American, which constitutes a universal
vision & then I am a shamed member of these united by fear states of the Union.
Now, just when is Jihad permitted if not required under the code of Islam? George Walker
Bush did not say that the U.S. would attack, instead he was emphatic that the U.S. would
invade Iraq. Even so, had this government in the Trinity of the America’s, realistically
put the people of Iraq to work and trained them for self management, returning their oil fields
& other industries to them after that invasion – none of these Satanized atrocities in
the middle East would be happening.
To the contrary, our USA would be the Pride & Joy Super Heroes of the Middle
East, if not the world! Instead, the oil field have been privatized along with most
other major industries to U.S. based globalized cartels. We have become the worlds HATED Ones due to the direct and indirect atrocities brought about by George Walker Bush, president
of OUR once naively proud USA………
This administration has set precedence with the Trial of Saddam Hussein. Imagine,
had George Walker Bush listened to the world and let the United Nation complete their mission. The World Can’t Wait and should have the opportunity to watch George Walker Bush being marched out of the Oval Office and put on trial for treason and crimes against humanity.
Hitler’s soldiers were also chasing terrorists, only those terrorists were “communist” instead of Islamic. In case you are not aware, no laws were ever broken in Germany during that reign of fanatical religionist Christians having taken control of all phases of Germany’s local and national governments.
Should the laws permit, William Jefferson Clinton should also be put on trial for
crimes against the people of the America’s but not for Treason. Treason is reserved for GWB as the conductor of that Locomotive, fueled by the NeoCon Anglo Aryans and tenderized by religionist Christian fanatics – those self appointed heirs to the Roman Republics but that’s another story. Yes, Teflon, Bill Clinton should be tried for not putting a bridle upon the corporate conglomerates that via NAFTA have displaced all of these boarder crossing “Illegal?” Americans………. from their farms, their jobs and their families in Mexico & Central America and also displacing the proud Blue Collared Americans of the U.S. in favor of the Corporate Ghost Person that has taken all the benefits of being a real person with none of the obligations.
Will these globalized corporate cartels take complete control of our government? Only $$$ will tell, since they control over 90+% of all the media. No, what is necessary are new economies that will be ecologically & economically GREEN.
Peace without war – how corny can one get! Fact, there are no jobs for all these youth currently employed as quasi soldiers to come home to. My my, how that NeoCon religionist Lord has taken control of the conscientious mind of what was our U.S. A. ~ One Nation under God ~ while spreading peace and democracy with the Winds of War from under the Mask of the One known by Infinite Names including Jesus.
I still extend my invitation to hear from that GWB base that are willing to hold a Town meeting clarifying and praising the good that this administration has done for humanity and the globe. I promise you one hour of uninterrupted discourse and then opened for questions in an orderly fashion. None of us can claim that we don’t live in a glass house. There is not a person out there that doesn’t sincerely love the True American Vision. It is ABUSE that the world is angry with us about only because we, as Americans, never kept a bridle on the corporate conglomerates that have ABUSED this planet in OUR name ~ using OUR America as their base of operations and taking control of OUR Pentagon and Military made up of our brothers, sisters, children, elders, etc. depriving another generation of their Dads! And we have the nerve to hold the worlds largest prison population. Our heads should be bowed in shame.
The stupidity of Israel, that they should think they can act like the religionist GWB and bomb the infrastructure of another country. Isn’t it ironic, when you seek culture in the west you find the Jew, when you find severe inequity you are confronted with the decedents of the AngloArians behind the scenes.
There was a country where it is said, western civilization had its start & a 3rd or 4th generation Warrior of that land set out to rebuild that heritage; he welcomed those that offered to assist and gave them access to a wealth of 20th century gold for their assistance, building palatial government buildings with museums about the kingdom. Then, those that “came in peace” to spread democracy, reneged on their promise of assistance while continuing to harvest the new 20th century gold. That warrior then stopped all access to those trees. Eventually dark clouds with the winds of war came upon he lands from the AngloArian’s son of the one that built those trees.
Ironically, the first Jewish Temple in Spain during the early 11th century was built as a gift from the Muslims, acknowledging that historical atrocity brought about by the AngloArian Romans when time was then.
I leave you with one thought & a plausible end to fanatical religionist terrorism: Think green ecologically & economically green, a trillion dollar industry meeting all the requirements of unabused capitalism.
Respectfully,
September 24th, 2006 at 8:41 pmPhilip Gurrieri
28 Dietz Court
Kingston, NY 12401
845-331-4146
Thank you for speaking out. You put that smarmy witless faux FOX worm in his place. We are proud of you.
September 24th, 2006 at 8:44 pmCheers,
Ed Slavin
EASlavin@aol.com
http://www.cleanupcityofstaugustine.blogspot.com
Box 3084
St. Augustine, Florida 32085
904-471-7023
904-471-9918 (fax)
That isn’t very logical.
I seem to recall a few people voting for Bush in the last election – what makes you think he couldn’t do it again? He’d be coming up for another “reelection” soon. It works both ways and time will always breed corruption.
Frankly, I’m happy to lose some really good presidents if it means we get clean house every once in awhile when things get really bad. “Term limiting” is probably one of the strongest political ideas in our government.
September 24th, 2006 at 9:06 pmI think the Chris Wallace interview was a “the emperor has no clothes” kind of moment. Clinton made an absolute fool out of himself, and little ole Chris came off looking calm and collected.
I’m quite sure that Hillary is reading him the riot act. “You fuggin’ idiot. How many times have I told you to keep your big goddarn mouth shut!”
You can’t make this stuff up.
September 24th, 2006 at 9:36 pmBill is back! I haven’t been this happy in ages, someone is telling it like it is and standing up to the slime. You go — and you other Dems listen because this is how to win. Look how scared the right-wingers are — their turning blue in the face trying to explain this one!
September 24th, 2006 at 9:40 pmwhy did you delete my previous comment…what a website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 24th, 2006 at 9:43 pmchris wallace is a jerk and delusional if he thinks he can upstage bill clinton…………..i am sick of so called journalists that use deceptive tactics to get ratings………..good for clinton to stand up to this idiot.
let it be know i already typed two yes two comments and they were deleted!!!!!!!!!!! let us hope this website allows the third….chris wallace is a jerk and delusional to think he can upstage bill clinton….i am sick of so called journalists that use deceptive practices to boost their ratings…good for clinton to stand up to this jerk
September 24th, 2006 at 9:46 pmAfter Clinton dealt with Ben Laden he was still able to attack us with planes. After Bush dealt with Ben Laden he was only able to send video tapes.
Clinton didn’t answer the question. He only attacked Bush and conservatives. Conservatives didn’t like that he pulled out of Somalia so easily = OBL said in an interview that our pulling out of Somolia showed him we were a paper dragon that could easily be scared off. He said Bush didn’t try to get OBL. I guess the tons of troops that were sent into Afganastan wasn’t trying. For those who say we need more troops… thats not what our military leaders are saying we need to capture Ben Laden.
For those attacking Fox for simply asking a question = wow, Bush gets it everyday. Clinton cant handle the criticism.
September 24th, 2006 at 9:57 pmChris Wallace sure showed himself to be a lightweight. So President Clinton was a “mountain” coming down on him. What a wimp.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:01 pmTo the guy who said that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld didn’t have balls… you were slightly wrong. Bush & Cheney don’t have balls, but Rumsfeld DOES. What Rumsfeld DOESN’T have is a HEART.
Bravo, President Clinton. While you weren’t exactly the greatest President ever, you’re a far better representative and leader of this country than the current one ever will be.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:02 pmThanks Bill… I love your work
September 24th, 2006 at 10:04 pmBush is the devil and so is FOX News
I don’t trust our president. He isn’t doing what’s best for Americans or for anyone else except the oil interests.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:04 pmFOPO
Bravo!! Everyone in this discussion ought to heed your sadly true observation and the conclusions of the 9-11 report that you point out…
“we are dealing with “…an enemy who is sophisticated, patient, disciplined and lethal. The enemy rallies broad support in the Arab and Muslim world by demanding redress of political grievances, but its hostility toward us and our values is limitless. Its purpose is to rid the world of religious and political pluralism, the plebiscite, and equal rights for women. It makes no distinction between military and civilian targets. Collateral damage is not in its lexiconâ€
All Americans better start taking more time to figure out what we can do to fight this enemy instead of fighting each other. All of us are engaged and concerned citizens, citizens of the USA. We need to unite and fight the real enemy because there is no doubt that we are in a fight for our survival!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:19 pmThank god that Clinton stood up to fox news and all of those righ-wing fags out there. Seriously they are the most rightwinged bastards out there, good for you Bill Clinton.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:27 pmThank god that Clinton stood up to fox news and all of those right-wing fags out there. Seriously they are the most conservative bastards out there, good for you Bill Clinton.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:27 pmGo, Bill. I’d vote for you any day . . . only I’d hope you could keep it in your pants this time. You are one of our brightest, and contrasted against our current president, you look like triple-Einstein! Fox won’t air this and it’s a shame. I’d love to see this on the tube.
And our administration will be very busy in the next few months trying to track down all of us (about 550 at this count) who have responded to this site. Our privacy has disintegrated, our paranoid nightmares are coming true, and I’m getting some comfort from reading this.
P.S. I don’t like Hillary either!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:28 pmBill Clinton looked excatly as he did when he wagged his finger at us in 1998 when he said, ” I did not have sexual relations with that women ,Monica” His actions and facial expressions were the same,HE WAS LYING THEN AND HE IS LYING NOW! And no amout of Liberal lies and spin will change the fact that had Bill Clinton done his job in the 90’s the Twin Towers would still be there!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:30 pmLet’s get this straight: Chris Wallace dismantled Clinton.
Make no mistake about it. Clinton was blathering, sputtering, poking and pointing. Clinton looked like a little boy crying and arguing, and spitting and spatting. While, all the time, Chris was sitting back smiling, watching it unfold.
It was disgusting to think this idiot, Clinton, was once the leader of the free world.
Kudos to Chris.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:37 pmFor all of you who said Fox would edit the video, you probably should have watched. They played it all. Unfortunately, there is plenty of blame to go around for 9/11, because no presidents pre-9/11 have taken terrorism seriously. However, Clinton told many lies and half-truths during this interview. Bin Laden was known to us at the beginning of his Presidency, and Clinton failed to do anything about the first World Trade Center bombing in ‘93. Clinton truly had 8 years to do something, and he didn’t. Bush had less than 9 months, true, and he didn’t do anything either.
A previous poster had said that nobody respects Bush and that Clinton was respected worldwide. I guess you don’t remember the Lewinsky scandal. He was a laughingstock. Regardless, world opinion shouldn’t be our first concern.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:44 pmGo Bill GO!!! You should be president and we would be better off!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:48 pmEveryone who defends the policies of this administration’s war so vehemently should cease this do right by their country and enlist! ! The army is hemorraging for recruits , and yet, where are all the Fox news viewers? The fact remains: Pres. Bush has had 5 years to find Bin Laden , the results have been abysmal. Investors are putting their money on the dems this year.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:49 pmDid you take your medication tonight?
September 24th, 2006 at 10:52 pmIt is interesting that Bush is looked on as a defender when he clearly took Osama very lightly, after taking office……..to him that was a Clinton abstraction, not a real threat and yet by failing to see the threat and later only reacting to a much bigger disaster that mandated his attention is he then looked on as a great defender of the country……anyone would have attacked after being bombed on home soil. He also failed to see what was obvious to any informed person on the Middle East and that is that Saddam was a western style military dictator….not a shia or sunni extremist…the two differ greatly on who and how the countries should be ran—In his country no ayatolla had religious authority or influence….in Osamas “ideal” coutries….the koran and the religious leaders were supreme….Saddam feared the relgious right would take his country much like Iran…..and Bush was well informed of this. Bush is non-fazed by the facts and is lead by ideology (much like the other terrorists and extremists)….Clinton sees that much of our wasted resources could have focused on the real threat and the rest of our precious resources spent to “truly” improve the infrastructure, safety and quality of life for all Americans and our progeny. The Roman Empire lasted much longer on top then we have…….and though there were many small reasons for the eventual downfall……much of it was because they spread there resources too thin….and fought multiple “meaningless” fronts without concentrating on the well being of all the citizens…..not just those of the city of Rome….Hitler made many similar mistakes. Lets Find a way to get Clinton a “true moderate”…. a “common sense, well educated, well spoken and respected world leader” back in office.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:18 pmIt’s about time, thank you President Clinton. It couldn’t make me happier that he dished it back to FOX. I wish Clinton still was president, I think Osama would be dead or captured and we wouldn’t be wasting billions of dollars in Iraq.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:23 pmIt’s a sham that you present here. You edited the interview transcript to suit your own motives, misled your own readers and slanted the intro of your piece. If anyone on this site wants to read the complete unedited transcript, go to Foxnews.com. I’m sorry I ever came to such an unimaginative, biased site. I won’t be back.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:25 pmHi, I am a canadian. Thanks for all the comments! I missed the broadcast. But I just watched the whole thing on FOX NEWs’ website. OMG, I love this man! He is so intelligent, so forceful. That is the leader we desperately need at this critical moment. Can we start a movement or even a war to send him back to white house!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:31 pm[...] ::Update::Hmmm… CLINTON: What did I do? I worked hard to try and kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. [...]
September 24th, 2006 at 11:33 pmWe finally got Bill back. This was a historic night, this is what we’ve been missing all these years since his presidency. The democratic leadership unfortunately has been too weak to stand up to conservative propaganda. I’m glad he finally snapped and showed fox who the man is. It’s just a big crime that democrats dont seem to know how to get back at the republicans and all their lies. We should change the rule of staying in office for only 2 terms. He was just amazing.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:40 pmthanks Bill
Let’s face it, this is a horrible horrible day for our country.
On the one hand we have a group of people who present fiction “based on fact” without mentioning that the facts have been gutted and reassembled into something perfectly suited to their own ends: The Path to 9/11 must be the conservative version of Farenheit 9/11 – didn’t the conservatives bash that one for manipulating the facts for dramatic effect?
On the other hand, we have an individual who represents all of us who get roped into fights that defeat us: fights that we know, going in, will be our downfall. The republicans wrote up the war on terror script FOR the democrats, knowing that the liberal cannot help but play the victim, or leave an unwinnable cause unfaught for.
It is a truly sad day in our nation when the raising of BILLIONS of dollars for philanthropy in just a few days cannot be celebrated because political fingerpointing must take the front seat.
Together, we can do a lot of good, but we get richer being idiots.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:44 pmAmerica needs modesty now more than ever.
Well said, Judd.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:53 pmRS (#546) – I’m not sure you understand the Clinton Affair/Laughingstock situation fully. The world didn’t view Clinton as a laughingstock in the wake of the Lewinski scandal, they were laughing at Ken Starr and those who bankrolled him $60 million dollars to identify a semen stain and write the first government sponsored soft-core porn report. They were laughing at the morons who felt this was a useful allocation of resources. The only American who are better off since Clinton left office are oil executives and defense contractors…Anyone else who supports this administration quakes in fear in the face of real freedom.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:58 pmLOL During Clintons administration, did’nt he TRAIN Osama and AQueda, hell, he gave them the name! wow good job Bill. All this, I would have more troops in af. is bull, wasnt he the pres that cut military in half? oh yeah, he was. anti liberal for life niggaz
September 25th, 2006 at 12:03 amI’m glad Clinton went after CM. It’s about time he fired back at the right-wing news media. I hope this begins to put a stop to the neocons who keep trying to distort any legacy from the Clinton Adminstration to advance Republican and conservative interests. I’m sick of their pathetic attempts to keep smearing Clinton.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:05 amI don’t know what debate people were watching. The Big Dog absolutely cleaned Wallace’s clock, pimp slapping him up and down the set.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:11 amWallace unfortunately has a pathological disgregard for the truth. Ignore him!
“LOL During Clintons administration, did’nt he TRAIN Osama and AQueda, hell, he gave them the name!”
No, that would be Reagan.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:14 amSoon the good folks at mediamatters.org will be documenting the facts on whether Wallace ask the same questions to Bush and his people that he just did of Clinton.
Thank God for Media Matters. The Joe Friday of the internet. “Just the fact, Ma’am”.
Chris Wallace is not just a liar. Chris Wallace is a pathological liar.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:19 amAwesome! So nice to see Clinton tear Wallace a new one. What a smackdown! And Wallace thought he was going to pull a fast one on Clinton. Fox is going to edit the heck out of it to try not to look so bad.
September 25th, 2006 at 1:16 amYes, I agree Mr. Chris Wallace maybe Clinton could have done more to capture OBL. I guess going into Iraq in 1996 would have been the way to do it huh???
Dope ass Wallace!!! I hope you like the new one Clinton tore you.
THAT WAS GREATTTTTTTTT!!!!!
September 25th, 2006 at 1:21 amI miss him! He should be on tv like that once a week. It sure would let the rest of the world know we Americans haven’t all lost our minds.
September 25th, 2006 at 1:48 amI miss him ! I think it would be great to have Clinton on tv once a week to answer questions by right wing news reporters. I’d love to see him as a regular on Fox. Well I never watch Fox but would if he were on again. GO BILL!
September 25th, 2006 at 1:51 amWooooow!!!!!!
Was that great or was that great!!!!!!!!!!
It was huge!!
Ahsante sana Bw. clinton. Tunakupenda na Mungu akubariki.
THat is Kiswahili for Ahsante (thank you) sana (very/so much) Bwana (Mister) clinton. Tunakupenda (We love you) na (and) Mungu (God) akubariki (bless you).
I watched it today at about 9.00 a.m. (I amnot sure what time Chris Wallace comes on on Channel 45 (DirectTV) coz I hardly watch fox. I also watched the 6.00 p.m. re run on fox news (channel 360 Direct TV and then I recorded the 1.00 a.m. re rerun for my library. I have over ten tapes on Clinton interviews during the DNC (John Kerry’s), Various Larry king shows, Today’s Tim Russert interview e.t.c.
I adore this guy. Meeeeen ain’t he brilliant.
He can break down complex global issues (which he so much understands) into simple layman’s language without breaking a sweat. No “mmmhhs” and “Aahhs” like Bush the discombobulated buffoon.
I loved his reference to Mike Wallace’s smirk that makes him think he is so clever.
I loved his reference to Mike’s smart little conservative attack job.
I loved his explanation of Karl rove’s B.S. where Rove and the White House create a security deal that they lace with some unacceptable clauses with the sole intention of having the democrats vote against it in order for them to get a chance to label the Dems as weak on terror and defence. Clinton called it a bunch of hooey.
I loved the way he filibustered Mike so as to make his point. If you ever watch O’Reilley factor or Hannity and Colmes show, Hannity and O’reilley never let guests give a complete answer before drowning them out with their ’smart little conservative attack jobs” and attack lines. Clinton kep ttalking over this guy until he made his point. He refused to go to the main issue – the CGI and dwelt on this terror business to SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
Way to go Bill.
Al Gore should be the next guest on Faux News. I love him when he says “he (with reference to Bush) betrayed his country!!!!!!!!!”
God bless Bill Clinton. God bless the Democrats.
Ahsante na Kwaheri. Mungu awabariki.
Thank you and Good bye. God bless you all.
Native Son.
Kenyan living in Silver Spring, MD.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:08 amClinton is such a liar. He had to “wait until the FBI and CIA could certify the Osama” was a terrorist? He is such a fool! Does anyone really believe that Clinton would put “boots on the ground”? He’s pathetic! I’m glad Fox showed the REAL slick willey!
September 25th, 2006 at 2:10 amI’d love to see more politicians get on TV and answer questions the same way Clinton did. Free Press is a good thing, but having reporters (from the right or the left) trying to put their personal twist on things is not good at all. I believe US citizens, regardless of their political ideals, should get the real picture before they jump to conclusions.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:11 amHe just won’t go away. A national embarassment, who allowed 9/11 to be planned (with full training) on his watch, and he still won’t go away! Why does the media give him ANY time at all to continue his diatribe?
September 25th, 2006 at 2:27 amMany of you should watch the entire interview as FOX showed it, unedited. Your tunes would change. President Clinton was very defensive and lost control many times. If democrats have only this to stand on then November will be lost for them.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:29 amThis country would be much better off in the hands of Bill Clinton. The neocons have failed to capture Bin Laden, and they’re simply fingerpointing before the Congressional elections. It’s laughable.
We’ll just have to see if Abraham Lincoln was right… “You can’t fool all of the people, all of the time…”
September 25th, 2006 at 3:53 amJust watching Fox News now, they have three more stooges up there defending Chris Wallace. The claim that Bill Clinton orchestrated the whole thing is so patently absurd I can’t respond. Wallace asked the questions!
September 25th, 2006 at 6:12 amFrom the Netherlands:
September 25th, 2006 at 6:18 amIt is so good to see someone who has enough intelligence to understand what international politics require. A broader view and a healty approach are the only things that can save the unity in this world. He can be named ‘Slick Willy” but one thing is for sure, this is and stays a statesman and a pure of heart politician. I won’t say that he has to run for affice again, but his function as a watchdog is more needed then ever. Go, Bill… go.
Facts –
Under Clinton: about 1,300 Americans killed or wounded by foreign terrorists/fighters
Under Bush: more than 30,000 Americans killed or wounded by foreign terrorists/fighters
Fyi, at the current level of US deaths, we’re experiencing the equivalent of nearly four USS Cole bombings EVERY MONTH.
September 25th, 2006 at 6:31 amIt was truly GREAT to see this interview.
Bill Clinton can tell it exactly like it IS, instead of how the Bush worshippers WANT Americans to believe it is, better than any one I know.
So, Wallace claimed he had also asked George W. Bush why HE didn’t do more about the USS Cole.
September 25th, 2006 at 6:59 amB-friggin’-S.
Why do they have to lie, if they have actually Truth on their side?
The entire Fox news is an embarassment for journalism, and all its employees are nothing more than political hacks.
Wasn’t Bush vacationing in Crawford when the PDB came out just like kattrina?
September 25th, 2006 at 7:13 amClinton did not come off well with Wallace. He was shaken and almost hysterical defending his record. He regurgitated a number of known untruths regarding his tenure and was less “in control” than I have ever seen him in the media. Most would not consider it a good showing for him and might indicate that he is beginning to lose his edge.
September 25th, 2006 at 7:16 amThe neocons only wanted Iraq for the oil and look what a mess they created; even the CIA says so.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/world/middleeast/25terror.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin)
I’m glad Clinton finally spoke up and did it on a neocon tvstation.
September 25th, 2006 at 7:25 amHooray Bill Clinton! Someone finally gave the Fascists Fox News Sunday crowd what they deserve!
September 25th, 2006 at 8:05 am#493 (currently) Exley,
Give me a chance to gather the links I need to show you why I think that oil had more to do with invading Iraq and deposing Saddam than any alleged threat they say he posed. Also, for the record, I did not say that PNAC was the ONLY reason they did it, I said that one could not deny that they played a large part in the decision to do it. They were the ones who got Clinton to sign the law saying that removing Saddam from power was a goal of the United States. His mistake might have been in not being clearer on what methods would be acceptable. It was generally understood that we would do things like try to promote democracy, as opposed to launching an invasion and removing him directly.
Again, give me some time to gather the information I based that on. And yes, Greg Palast may be involved. Catch you later.
September 25th, 2006 at 8:17 amWhat’s not to like about Bill?
Everyone I know respects him.
September 25th, 2006 at 8:18 amI love it. Clinton is possibly the worst president of all time, after Jimmy Carter. Clinton is the perfect politician. Perfect politician = zero respect
September 25th, 2006 at 8:46 amBill Clinton is nothing but a liar. He doesn’t need approval to got after anyone, anywhere. He didn’t need approval from the secret service to go after Monica did he?
September 25th, 2006 at 8:50 amto 569
No Julia, Clinton was not waitingt for the CIA or FBI to certify Bin Laden was a terrorist. It was the CIA / FBI certifying BL was responsible for the Cole bombing. Those are two different things.
Get some language skills!
This is a good example of conservatives being deficient in the English language skills.
Progressives repect the English language.
September 25th, 2006 at 8:53 am“#
The American only-be-president-twice thing is really really moronic.
Comment by Dave Rywall — September 22, 2006 @ 9:52 pm”
what if it happened to our current president
September 25th, 2006 at 8:55 amClinton ALWAYS gets indignant and full of rage when he knows he’s wrong. Just like when he wagged his finger about Monica. Same old act. What a transparent phony. lolol
September 25th, 2006 at 9:03 amI’ve been reading through the thread and find it very interesting. The liberal mind set is almost a mental illness. The constant conspiracy theories, anger and hatred for Bush and obfuscation of the truth makes the liberal’s of the world almost pathetic. Every time I get in an argument with a liberal they have a red faced anger (a lot like Clinton in the interview) and start loosing their composure.(not a sign of someone who is confident in the facts of their argument)
September 25th, 2006 at 9:07 amGlad to see that Fox was unable to repeatedly interrupt and browbeat one of its interviewees! I rarely watch it anymore because of its rudeness and unbalanced presentations. Retired RN, grandma, lover in Cleveland
September 25th, 2006 at 9:09 amno….”Willie”….her point was not the specifics of the “certification”, her point is that some would allow terrorists to roam around and do whatever they please while others prefer action.
the sad thing is the avg. liberal american is really just a puppet of whatever celebrity they love in the moment. I can’t tell you how many times I heard, “Well Alec Baldwin said….” or “Sheryl Crow believes…”, “David Moore’s movie shows…”!!
Give me a break! If that is where you get your news and your understanding of current events….I am glad that a greater % of liberals don’t vote!
some are quick applaud insults to our president by foreigners, celeb.s, or t.v. personalities. that’s pathetic! if someone were insulting your sibling in front of you and you laughed/joined in….then the person insulting your sibling will not only feel more comfortable insulting your sibling but will not respect you either! (…D**N! That’s cold dissin’ your own sister/brother!)
The world may not respect the office as they should…but they don’t respect the people who are disloyal to their own country even more!
My opinion regarding the interview is balanced. Obviously wallace had an agenda…why else interview such a controversial character?
At the same time…..I keep reading people say clinton “smacked” wallace….I am SO sorry….but clinton came across as a whiney ‘failure’! “At least I tried!!”
I wonder if he stomped his foot when he said that!
September 25th, 2006 at 9:35 amto 579, “Clinton did not come off well with Wallace. He was shaken and almost hysterical defending his record.”
And still he was a lot more ‘together’ than that Bush idiot will ever be !
Also, it was priceless the way Bill smacked that Wallace guy LOL
GO CLINTON !!!!
September 25th, 2006 at 9:51 amAttention conservative losers:
It is a fact. Clinton came closer to killing Bin Laden than Bush ever came, even in the post 911 era where could try from inside Afghanistan.
September 25th, 2006 at 9:55 amWow!!! It is amazing how a bunch of dumb libs can interpret Billy’s interview as a succes. First of all, for all of them who thought that Fox News would cut and edit the interview, you were all flat out wrong. The above mentioned question was aired in full and Billy looked like an ass. h2 (#591) made a great comment about an accurate observation of liberals. They are all a bunch of angry and violent people with no realistic understanding of American policy or defense. They get their ideas from angry celebrities and failed european countries. It’s really kind of sad and pitiful that the democrats have no new ideas or solutions for world affairs. I am so happy to have been blessed with conservative viewpoints and did not end up as an angry and ugly hippie liberal.
September 25th, 2006 at 10:15 amto #594
September 25th, 2006 at 10:21 amYou are proof that conservatives live in a world of rose-colored classes.
The response to this interview by the conservatives shows how immature they are at accepting the truth!
September 25th, 2006 at 10:24 amClinton continues to embarrass himself just like he did for eight years as president. What’s even more embarrassing are all the liberals that still support him. Get a clue.
September 25th, 2006 at 10:31 amAll I can say about the whole Clinton thing is……..”me thinks he doth protest to much” – that shrew needs a little taming!
September 25th, 2006 at 10:32 amOver in Salon.com, they are publishing historical facts which back up President Clinton’s statements that the right wing senators wanted Clinton to cut-and-run in Somalia, of which Clinton refused to do so.
Once again, conservatives are caught with their pants down in regards to the facts.
September 25th, 2006 at 10:32 amIt is about time that someone exposed Fox News for what they really are:Right Wing. They normally get away with their agenda and roast everyone contradicting their beliefs , alive. And who better to fire back!
September 25th, 2006 at 10:35 amPresident Clinton made Wallace look like a 6th grade mamma’s boy that tells on the rest of the class. What a nerd.
Clinton was the only one squirming in his seat.
September 25th, 2006 at 10:38 amI do not belive that anyone posting here understands what it means to be a president. It’s so easy to sit back and make comments about what they do or didn’t do. As a Viet Nam “VET” I was not always happy about what our president may or may not have done. I choose to join the military during Viet Nam because this country of mine is worth defending. So many of the posters here do not understand what it means to go off to a war a defend this country. No soldier knows where or why they will be askes to defend America until that day comes,but when it comes they serve at the direction of their President reguardles of what they think. I was not a “Clinton” fan,but he had to make decisions as to how to protect his country and I swore to protect this country as did our presidents. Until you stand in a president’s or a soldiers shoe’s,you do not have a understanding of what is being asked of you. So,please do not try to second guess the decissions that out leaders or our soldiers have to make unless you have been where they have been. I never lost respect for my president then or now,they our just men and women in very difficult positions making very difficult decisions,and the President has to deal with things that everyday American’s can not ever understand until they are in that position. All you have to do is look at the way a President ages’ in the few years that they hold that office. So instead of pointing fingers about the mistakes that “ALL” presidents have made,we need to work as Nation to hold on to our way of life. Could have our presidents done things better if they had all this hindsite, of course they could. If you think that any President doesn’t care about his country and his people you have your “head” stuck where the sun don’t shine. Our enemies love to see us fighting with each other as they plan their next attacks. As a country we need to show the rest of the world that we may not always agree with each other,but we will not allow them to take away our way of life. And,I have no doubt that every President has done what they felt was the right thing to do. Wouldn’t it be great if they never made mistakes. So,when you become the next President,you try to do the right thing,and remember not to make any mistakes.
September 25th, 2006 at 10:48 amLook at the conservatives! What a bunch of crybabies!
Everybody should send Wallace a box of tissues!
September 25th, 2006 at 10:49 am[...] Ever since yesterday, everyone who is anyone in the blogosphere has been on the Clinton-Wallace “battle royale“. Thanks to YouTube, those who were doing better things yesterday can catch a glimpse of the interview or read the transcript at ThinkProgress.org. [...]
September 25th, 2006 at 11:01 amI truly do not, with all my heart, understand how people in this United States can support the Republican party and feel good about themselves. They leave me speechless and the word “hypocrite” does not even begin to describe them. It is sad. These people live in a fantasy world. I will celebrate the day the current “president” leaves office. I am too dumbfounded and angryto even continue. Than God for Bill Clinton. I love the “spin” put on this that he was too defensive. Give me a break. George Bush can’t even be asked “How are you?” these days without throwing a temper tantrum-and jumble his words and not form a sentence in the process. But that’s okay. Finally, a Democrat tells it like it is, does not sidestep the issue to try to make nice with the Republicans and he is “defensive.” Give me a break. George W. Bush, just give all of us a break and resign.
September 25th, 2006 at 11:02 am[...] Kijk, en dan gaat Fox natuurlijk meezingen: zullen we die ex-president eens in zijn hemd zetten met een ‘publieksvraag’? Maar dan moet je geen Clinton voor je hebben. [...]
September 25th, 2006 at 11:09 amClinton is an amazing, articulate man, but he is a servant of the same money masters as Bush.
This “Debate” is all just a circus sideshow to distract from the vile fraud that our government and the world bankers have used to enslave us, our children, and generations to come.
September 25th, 2006 at 11:09 amEver notice how right-wingers never, ever point to specifics? At least Clinton can pinpoint specific facts to illustrate how he did (or did not) do something. I challenge Republicans to use specific examples as to how they have done anything more effectively then Clinton, with respect to Bin Laden.
September 25th, 2006 at 11:16 amGO SHEEPLE!!! Yea Clinton! The last post by rhonda is incredibly underwhelming! Thanks for the update! By the way, the entire mainstream news media in existence, television, periodical, newspaper–shall I go on?– is liberal, honey. So all of your ideals have been based on one-sided propaganda you mindless pasture wanderer. By the way, there was nothing to EXPOSE with regard to FOX since they never hide the fact that they are conservative you imbocile! Clinton was no better than Bush. Politics is politics. ONe thing though; at least Bush didn’t embarass our nation by getting head in the Oval Office. Maybe he did, but no one knows about it. It must be something to support a piece of garbage like that who could disrespect the highest position in our government.
September 25th, 2006 at 11:35 amThe sad part about this is many, most , college age and younger people really think Clinton was “great”. Prove it.
Clinton, you make my heart soar!!!! Please stop concealing your abilities and speak up and out.
September 25th, 2006 at 11:43 amGod, I miss that man…
September 25th, 2006 at 11:54 ambill clinton is the man. but everything looks good from a distance. He’s been out of office for a while now, and some of the negatives of his tenure in the white house are being overlooked.
but I do respect the former president and wish he was still in the white house. Their should be no term limits. If america thinks someone is doing a good job, they’ll keep them in office. If not, the votes will reflect this and changes will be made.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:07 pmI love how people engage in politics like they’ve chosen teams in a football game.
The left\right paradigm is a sham. Our government is so completely corrupt and compromised that arguing Democrat vs. Republican is nothing but an exercise in futility.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:10 pm
This lets me know how nuts Clinton folks really are. Our country is a scary place with this kind of divisiveness.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:20 pm[...] Clinton sets it straight on Fox » and Fox is promoting it as “Clinton Gets Crazed”, transcript [...]
September 25th, 2006 at 12:25 pmHi Bill,
What are you doing these days to keep busy? So sorry, that Chris gave you such a hard time. It’s nice to see that your keeping out of trouble and relaxing. Why don’t you and Hillary…come over and visit some time. We can discuss some old times.
All things are going fine here in the WH., could not be any better. We got everything under control. I’m really looking forward to November.
Your friend,
George.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:26 pmIts about time someone stood up to Clinton for not getting Bin Laden when he could have. Kudos to Chris Wallace…
September 25th, 2006 at 12:42 pmDivisiveness is exactly what the global elite want.
The middle class is being destroyed by design. Divide and conquer or “Pressure from Above, Pressure from Below” is forcing people into accepting the shackles that are being fitted for us.
Black v. White. Old v. Young. Men v. Women. Republican v. Democrat. Rich v. Poor. Anything to distract from the truth, that we have all been enslaved by the same corrupt system.
Rome is burning, can’t you smell the smoke?
September 25th, 2006 at 12:49 pmThe interview just shows how much of a bafoon clinton was as president. Nine times Osama could have been taken out and he was too pre-occupied with Monica and what others thought. I hope we never see another Clinton in the White House again. You proved just how much of an idiot you really are. Maybe you should have kept your pants zipped!!!! Now how presidential do you feel.
September 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pmWell – when someone gets loud, defensive and continually interrupts – he is usually wrong – right Bill???? I have yet to see an interview with a democrat when he/she does not constantly interrupt and carry on in an impolite manner. The Clinton’s are notorious for evading truth and decency – can we all just be done with them already???? This country can do with out Hillbillery – we have had enough. GO FOX – Chris Wallace is great – you asked the right question and we saw that!
September 25th, 2006 at 1:06 pmGee, I wonder who all these newfound trolls are? This thread really spawned more than the usual amount of invective from the right. Too bad many of them are operating on outdated, long-disproved talking points. I wonder who told them to come here and post comments? It’s a shame many of them did not bother to learn if the crap they believed about President Clinton was even true before coming here to ridicule us. Oh, well. That’s what free speech is all about.
September 25th, 2006 at 1:10 pmtHE ONLY OTHER TIME I’VE SEEN BILL THIS EXCITED was when he was dening he ever has sex with that woman. Miss Lewinsky. Bill has this habit of attacking the messanger when he has lied. To attack Chris Wallace as being right wing shows ignorance. Chris is a centerist to left of center. Again we have an example of Bill’s character or lack thereof.
September 25th, 2006 at 1:25 pm#617 you need to check facts. Clintons assertions are true.
Excerpted from Howard Phillips Issues and Strategy Bulletin of December 31, 1998
From a paper by the conservative caucus:
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For the whole paper:
http://www.conservativeusa.org/wagdog.htm
and don’t forget to open the URL:
September 25th, 2006 at 1:28 pm10 reasons to oppose the war on Iraq.
Clinton for President!!
to make the world less violent!
Frank from the Netherlands!!
September 25th, 2006 at 1:40 pmI am so proud of Bill Clinton, I just can’t even express it. Wouldn’t it be great to have him debate Bush about the war and their respective records?
I have been writing about the right wing for 25 years, and the single unifying them I can find in the “movement conservative” branch — Reagan et al., including Bush — is that they lie about EVERYTHING. To any journalist or writer looking to expose the right wing, I suggest: check their facts. You will be amazed at the degree of deception.
September 25th, 2006 at 1:49 pmPresident Clinton is awesome! We need more leaders like him that can think beyond “oil money” and “mindless nation building”. We need smart peole like him that know the difference between “dictatorship” and “democracy” so that they can choose the right global partners (Bush didn’t know that Musharoff was a dictator!!).
September 25th, 2006 at 1:50 pmWe don’t need cruel, money hungry crooks running this great nation. We certainly don’t need trashy FOX reports. We don’t want to depend on Presidents that read books upside down.
Go Clinton! Go America!!
OMG – I LOVED IT!
I met Bill Clinton back in 1993 and he was amazing in person. He actually spoke to me for about 2 minutes privately, and was really genuine and so intelligent.
Good Lord, you ask him the name of a President of a country in Africa, one of the smaller ones, and he’ll tell you the name, pronounce it correctly, tell you what’s going on with them currently, and give a fantastic answer on how we can help and why it’s good for us.
Bust would be like, “Uh…who’s that?” ;)
September 25th, 2006 at 1:50 pmIt’s amazing that Clinton on one hand will agree witht he 911 report…when it’s in his favor. But, when the 911 report speaks in an unfavorable manner about in lack of accomplishments he gets combative. Reminds me of when he assured the American public that he did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky. It seems he gets upset when he’s confronted with his shortcomings. He treated his presidency as a party at our expense in stead of building up the military he cut it back to bare bones and we’re still trying to recover. He took credit for an economy that wasn’t even real…as he was allowing big business to steal from the working class. To top it all off He & Hillary tried to take furniture out of the WH to furnish their first home in New York. What a loser!
September 25th, 2006 at 1:59 pmWay to go FOX News!!! Once again in classic Clinton style Bill tries to cover up his lies with MORE LIES!! How anyone can believe this man is beyond me! Compulsive liar anyone!! Bill is caught in his web of lies! Of course the drive by media blogs will try to come to his defensive for the indefensible! Thankfully this man can not be president again! Two terms were bad enough!!
September 25th, 2006 at 2:00 pmThe world is finally waking up and seeing what a mess Clinton left in his 8 years – this presidency spwned these attacks on America and around the world with his profound weakness and lust for his own satisfaction (not to mention sexual).
Now the liberals are all quiet about free speech, open your eyes people.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:00 pmBecause of this interview, Hillary just bagged some more votes, mine for one. Good to know she will be supported by this intelligent and plain speaking man, Bill. Chris got just what he deserved. Way to go Bill!!!!!!!!
September 25th, 2006 at 2:07 pmI am so proud of Bill Clinton, I just can’t even express it. Wouldn’t it be great to have him debate Bush about the war and their respective records?
I have been writing about the right wing for 25 years, and the single unifying them I can find in the “movement conservative” branch — Reagan et al., including Bush — is that they lie about EVERYTHING. To any journalist or writer looking to expose the right wing, I suggest: check their facts. You will be amazed at the degree of deception.
An example from an earlier post: “He just won’t go away. A national embarassment, who allowed 9/11 to be planned (with full training) on his watch, and he still won’t go away! Why does the media give him ANY time at all to continue his diatribe?”
We are to believe that Clinton allowed 9/11 to be “planned on his watch”? Actually, the 9 months leading up to the attack were on George Bush’s watch. They had plenty of time, if it was so damned obvious. When the intelligence agencies uncovered hints of the plot, they wrote a President’s Daily Brief that Bush REFUSED TO READ. We all know that that brief was titled “Bin Landen Determined to Strike in U.S.” That was 5 weeks before the attack.
Further, if we are supposed to believe that Clinton knew that Osama was a criminal and refused to take him out, why didn’t Bush when he took office? Possibly because he didn’t realize until 9/11 who Bin Laden was (since he doesn’t own any oil wells).
These guys make me sick. Thousands died for their sins, and are dying to this day.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:08 pmNow its about time that the Democrates stood up to this bullship and put the right in its place! We need to fight back like this and I most certainly was happy to see it was Clinton who did!
Good for him….he bitch slapped Fox!!
September 25th, 2006 at 2:09 pmGoddamn XXII Amendment!
September 25th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#79: Mike Wallace had his ugly moments too. I recall this interview he had with Vladimir Putin, and he asked Putin to tell America, in English, something (i forget). putin refused, and insisted on continuing to speak in Russian. Mike persisted and kept asking him to use English. I mean, much as you may dislike the guy for his style of government, his character, etc., he is still a head of state and deserves a decent level of respect. I was put off by Wallace’s attitude there and then.
That said, I applaud Clinton for putting Wallace Jr in his place. He was misled about the topic of the interview, and as a former journalist, I think that’s sneaky.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pmTo number 630: So you say Clinton (after 8 yrs) left this country in a mess…where in hell have you been sleeping…with Rip Van Winkle…I recall President Clinton left office with a surplus and what did Bush do with it…he has run this country into a gigantic deficit and GROWING…furthermore, President Clinton kept us out of war and had a strong economy…You have to be an ass-kisser for Bush plus your eyes don’t see…now we are engaged in a war in Iraq that we cannot win…huh, da…get a life and get those right wing blinders off of your eyes…You sound to me like Harry Truman used to say: “you sound like a l0 ulcer man on an 11 ulcer job!” Also, President Clinton was a brilliant prez compared to this village idiot who tries (unsuccessfully) to run this country…what a joke…and what did he tell the CIA guy in August 2001 about the report that bin Laden planned to hijack American planes and slam them into buildings….Bush quote: “ok, you covered your ass, now get out of here”
September 25th, 2006 at 2:27 pmYou right-wingnuts never give up, do you?? Smear, smear, smear…but the American people have grown wise to you…bring election day in November!!
I find it funny that everyone is attacking Wallace for a completely legitamate question. Many people had the same question after watching the documentary on ABC. The fact that Clinton got so defensive is a clue that he is defintitely afraid. He KNOWs he has messed up and now is playing the blame game. He insists he tries and i guess he didnt have enough “power”. LOL Odd that so many of these ignorant far left wingers believe that the president has so much power and that Bush is responsible for every little mistake. But I guess in Clinton’s case, the “rules” were different. I think people need to stop getting so upset of this stupid little small shit and focus at the matter at hand. We WIll be atacked again if this country does not wake up! I am begining to be ashamed to be american if american means that your a spoiled selfish idiot who cannot stand up for themselves. Remember actions speak louder than words.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:42 pmIn searching for a new and sensible news provider a came across your site. You can’t be serious? While looking for less spin I found a mother load. Bill Clinton is washing up and should be being hung out to dry soon. Spin the democrat movement how you wish but when you open your eyes all of the crap on this page you’ll find is irrelevant. I typically don’t even comment to these things but you put this out there and I think what the crap are these dummies even thinking? You should think about stop wasting bandwidth and peoples time.
Thank You.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:42 pmDon’t agree that Bill “kicked ass,” looked more to me like “showed ass.” Typical spoiled little boy reaction…can’t stand any criticism.
Neither Clinton nor Bush, or any of the rest of us for that matter, had a clue about what the terrorists had in store for us on 9/11, or they would have stopped it. People, stop all this political prattle and support our government and country while we still have one. Remember the post-9/11 motto? United we STAND?
September 25th, 2006 at 2:47 pmI guess most of you were watching this through your liberal-tinted glasses. What I saw was a perpetual, pathological prevaricator being asked real questions by a real journalist. This arrogant womanizer is used to getting the softball questions, so when someone puts him on the spot, he cannot contain himself and explodes as if he were an adolescent. His lies continue, and you continue to believe unconditionally. Read Richard Clarke’s book yourself – Clinton misquoted and misstated Clarke’s words to his own advantage.
September 25th, 2006 at 2:52 pmMat Lauer said it best yesterday,
” I’m no Bush apologist but seriously, get a life, people! ”
All this anger is giving Democrats a bad image!
September 25th, 2006 at 2:52 pmResponse to # 636 – better Rip Van Winkle than who Clinton was sleeping with.
It would be nice to see some original, philosophical thoughts instead of just someone regurgitating the same old party line sprinkled “liberally” with crude and demeaning comments.
Who is the “smear, smear, smear” merchant? Maybe you need to read back through your submission.
September 25th, 2006 at 3:02 pmResponse to # 632: You said “Further, if we are supposed to believe that Clinton knew that Osama was a criminal and refused to take him out…”
Pardon me, but I believe Clinton ADMITTED IN THIS INTERVIEW that he tried to take bin Laden out, but failed.
So what is “to believe?” Instead of being stupid, Clinton is just inept?
September 25th, 2006 at 3:10 pmIts nice to see someone finally call out the bias and misinformation over at Fox news but I’m not going to jump on the Clinton bandwagon just yet.
The 2 party system in America is garbage and despite the fact that Clinton is indeed an extremely smart man his pro-corporate, middle-of-the-road politics have hurt the environment and further added to the oligarchy that is now USAcorp.
The US needs REAL progressives with Clinton’s savy and intelligence to be able to take on the status quo and fight the corruption that exists (i.e. military industrial complex, erosion of political integrity, corporate interests over the people’s interests, weakening democracy in favor of a oligarchy of the rich and powerful).
September 25th, 2006 at 3:14 pmWow, all I can say is Oh yeah. It’s about freaking time. I am at least very happy to say that putting Fox in it’s place coudn’t have come from a better man. This was a man that wasn’t elected with intimidation. I will always respect him, but now he even moved up one more notch….
September 25th, 2006 at 3:19 pmThe republicans have a huge blame in Bill Clinton not being able to kill Bin Laden. (not that he didn’t try)…he was too busy trying to fend off their lackey attack lap dog Ken Starr…what a crock that was and a huge waste of tax payer’s money. Isn’t it funny that once a republican is in the White House they get rid of the special prosecutor? But a special prosecutor would be having a hay day with this administration. .
September 25th, 2006 at 3:26 pmuh, #646. Read the news. There HAS been a special prosecutor working for the last two years trying to uncover the ’scandal’ of outing Washington socialite, er ‘CIA operative’ (read desk-jockey), Valerie Plame. This special prosecutor has failed to find anyone in President Bush’s administration to blame. (Scooter Libby has been charged with a crime, but has NOT been found guilty.) Why are liberals so ill-informed? I bet most of you did not even SEE this interview. If you don’t know what you are talking about, quit spouting off!
September 25th, 2006 at 3:33 pmThe above base berating of FOX for trying to host an open commentary would be comical if it were not so sad. It is a dark day in America when Americans close their eyes and minds to any opinion that does not correspond with their own.
I am a devoted FOX fan, because it is the only place I can see both sides of the story, without the media trying to make up my mind for me. I watched CNN for decades, but am tired of force-fed information.
Those of you who are spouting the party line discrediting FOX have obviously not spent much time on the network.
September 25th, 2006 at 3:38 pmPoor Bill, what’s the matter? Not used to tough questions? (this one was not that tough) The difference between now and then is that the Rep. leaders backed Bill’s bombing of the UBL’s camp in 1998. Find me a Dem. that is behind Bush!!!!!
Why are you wack jobs(LIb’s) thinking this makes Bill look good? Or that Fox will not run this without cutting it up. They will play this all day because Billy is showing his true cry baby, spoiled self.
Bill was all up in Chris’s face, think what Wanita B. must have felt like.
September 25th, 2006 at 3:40 pmThe only thing missing from his interview was him telling Chris Wallace
he should put some some ice on that lip.
This is the kind of President we should still have. We need more Democrats with the gumption and tenacity to stick it back to those that would divide this country by fear and greed.
September 25th, 2006 at 3:47 pmRight on, Bill! Or maybe more appropriately Left on! Fox News sucks. Bill Clinton rules!!! And Chris Wallace is an arrogant flunky. If only we could wake up and find out the last six years were just a horrible, tragic nightmare and this wonderful man was still our president. If only…
September 25th, 2006 at 4:24 pmMost conservatives aren’t interested in the truth. This has played out over the past 6 years w Bush in office. They want what they want, with incredible selfishness, oftentimes, and will simply change the rules or take out someone who disrobes them in order to get what they want. They are self-righteous and have an amazing inabilty to be compassionate. The day I see a conservative official hold him or herself to the same standards he so vehemently accuses non-conservatives of not upholding, I might actually give value to what they say. I agree with many aspects of conservatism in theory, but the people that espouse it and make it tangible bring it to the level of charlatanism. You’re a lot more transparent than you think.
September 25th, 2006 at 4:28 pmThe problem with Bill Clinton is that, in a country where nuts, idiots, and morons abound, his rare intellect is considered “stupidity”. How can a sane rational man forge a debate with freaked out, brainwashed, right-wing lemmings! Well, he can’t. That’s why the Nazi’s atacked him so incessantly with smear, falsehood, and inuendo, instead of rational, logic, and reason. Therefore, it was fun to watch him get right up in Wallaces’ mug, break of a big piece of attitude, and present it where the sun does not shine! Good for Bill, giving some of what he took for to damn long.
September 25th, 2006 at 4:38 pmScoreboard!!! Bill Clinton 1, Fox News 0
good point Dan. Which is why the media tends to be liberal. People who follow a real calling to be journalists tend to be liberal because they have a passion for truth. The same goes for documentaries and its the reason why there are so very few right-wing documentaries.
September 25th, 2006 at 4:38 pmThe problem with Bill Clinton is that, in a country where nuts, idiots, and morons abound, his rare intellect is considered “stupidity”. How can a sane rational man forge a debate with freaked out, brainwashed, right-wing lemmings! Well, he can’t. That’s why the Nazi’s atacked him so incessantly with smear, falsehood, and inuendo, instead of rational, logic, and reason. Therefore, it was fun to watch him get right up in Wallaces’ mug, break of a big piece of attitude, and present it where the sun does not shine! Good for Bill, giving some of what he took for to damn long.
September 25th, 2006 at 4:38 pmScoreboard!!! Bill Clinton 1, Fox News 0
The truth of the matter is that many intelligence experts have responded to the comments made Bill Clinton and agree with him. He made a viable effort to track and kill Osama.
I don’t doubt that Chris was bombarded with emails to ask that very question to President Clinton. Look at the supporters of the network. Now he wants to act like he was attacked by President Clinton. Onced he asked the question it was fair game. After all Bill Clinton is a human being and has the right to get pissed off. What Chris did was provide the perfect platform for Bill Clinton to defend himself and state the facts. The Facts. Not Propaganda. Not Hype!!!!
Oh and by the way “Where are the weapons of mass destruction, and how is Sadam connected to Osama????? The answer is the same for both. There is none!!!!! Wake up America. We are being played!!!!!
September 25th, 2006 at 4:43 pmI really thought this interview would have evoked a different, much stronger response than it seemingly has. Bill Clinton is a liar, and a fraud. And he proved it in this interview for all to see. But the majority of postings I’ve seen on the internet are aimed to support this man. If this is a true indication of the direction in which this country is headed – we’re in serious trouble.
People – stop listening to the politicians. 90% of them (on both sides,) are liars – and very good at it. Stop listening to the media. There’s no such thing as responsible investigating/reporting anymore. Investigate for yourselves – find out who your politicians are – CHECK TO SEE IF THEY’RE REALLY DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY’RE DOING IN WASHINGTON. Find out what they’re voting for – what bills they’re supporting and not supporting. Be informed and responsible voters. The fate of this country depends on it.
September 25th, 2006 at 4:47 pmHow do we judge a liar and a fraud? Lying about sex vs. lying about war? certainly at some level this is moral relativism, yet it has merit. Morally and ethiclally a lie is a lie, but they do differ in severity when one results in a damaged image and the other results in a failed war effort (the war is not over) and the loss of 2,600 Americans (not to mention British etc.) Put your jingoism aside, think for yourself, don;t listen to right-wing political hacks (or left for that matter). The target was supposed to al-queda and WMD’S (should be nuclear, biological and chemical weapons but Bush cannot pronounce all of those words). They were not in Iraq and we knew it, at least al-queda. Now al-queda is in Iraq in force. We have created untold numbers of new radicals, and we have not fixed Afghanistan yet. Bush and his cronies did not want to engage in Nation Building, and took a unilateralist view of diplomacy. Now we are nearly an international pariah rather than a world leader. Nice work for only six years W!
Clinton may have missed bin-laden, but he did not miss that smarmy little troll wallace!
September 25th, 2006 at 5:15 pmClinton proved he is superior to these right wing hacks that infest the media like roaches. Roaches only come out at night. They thrive in darkness. But shine some light on them, they go scurrying off to the darkness. Fox News channel. A network by and for roaches.
President Clinton nailed Wallace on the points about Somalia, the points about him not asking the same questions of the Bush adminstration. This has been documented by hard facts, can be proven with by anybody with a Lexus-Nexus account who understands the basic principles of research.
President Clinton = Great American
September 25th, 2006 at 5:20 pmWallace = common cockroach flushed down the toilet by President Clinton
I watched Fox News last year for a month and every new night I was equally astonished about the simplistic, partisan “journalism” style that seemes to be so popular in the US. You don’t need to be very educated to see it is pure propaganda. It isn’t that they are transforming the American mind, they are feeding the US majority with the entertainment they already believe in. That is why large parts of the world do not consider the Bush administration alone responsible anymore for decreased world safety but the U.S. citizens in general. After all, they re-elected this president after four years of well documented disasters and lies. The “left wing” minority never had the courage or coherence to oppose the republicans, being too afraid to be branded un-patriotic. Now it seems that you have a political hero left who dares to go against the flow, but its a hard to accept this resistance took five years to get momentum and it has so far mainly been retired politicians and military staff who have the guts to criticise goverment policy, far ahead off your average journalists and senators.
September 25th, 2006 at 5:22 pmUmmm (with caveat that I did NOT read every entry above),
Unless there are a LOT of Clinton-loving-left-wing-loopy-trollers from the US hanging out here, and I’ve entirely missed the audience here, where the heck do legit Kiwis get the impression that inaction/failures during the Clinton era were/are in their best interest?
The emergence of Islamic nut-case groups throughout southwest Oceania scares the hell out of me; THAT emergence has been going on for more than a couple of decades, and has NOTHING to do with the current administration.
Frank
September 25th, 2006 at 5:43 pmCharleston SC, USA
Someone needs to stand up for something, there’s an old saying “stand for something, or fall for anything”. Personally, I am tired of tiptoeing around Muslims and Islam, fearing that we may offend them at any given moment. I do not know alot about this religion, I just know that it seems they are most often looking for a reason to be angry, and most often angry at anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs. THIS great country was not founded on this type of behaviour.
September 25th, 2006 at 5:44 pmOh Mr. Clinton! A 5 minute interview with you shows more integrity and leadership than anyone in the current administration! What you build for the US in 8 years got demolished in less than 2 years after that. History will judge anyways. I truely admire you Mr. Clinton.
September 25th, 2006 at 5:56 pmFox, better known as the RNC network thought they would sandbag President Clinton and embarrass him. Bill outfoxed Fox, and I loved every minute of it. No matter what they or anyone else says, Clinton told the truth. I defy anyone to show any proof otherwise. We had eight great years under him and then disaster struck. I am proud to be a Clinton Democrat!
September 25th, 2006 at 6:23 pmClinton was thrown a legitimate question and he freaked out. He is an egotistical narcisstic meglomaniac. Blame everything on the right wingers…yeah that is what happened.
September 25th, 2006 at 6:45 pmSomething to think about before we bemoan our Presidential term limits: Of course, they were instituted by Republicans to prevent FDR from becoming President for life. And of course we’d be living in a different world if Clinton had still been President on 9/11. (You think he was ticked at Chris Wallace and company? Imagine his response to 9/11. And he had no ties to Saudi oil barons. One reason bin Laden waited for Bush?) HOWEVER, without term limits we’d have been looking at 20 years of Reagan the rhinestone cowboy, and Clinton would still be governor of Arkansas. (P.S. Loved the lobotomy line, Frederick.)
September 25th, 2006 at 7:02 pmSome presidents take great risks in their personal lives and small risks in their political careers – like Mr. Clinton. How our presidents approach great challenges like terrorism and poverty tell us a lot about their ability to manage risk – and the true nature of their character.
September 25th, 2006 at 7:05 pmBill Clinton was in no dount the better than Bush in Offcie…Clinton is the Man.
September 25th, 2006 at 7:24 pmOoh yes, I from The Netherlands miss Bill Clinton as President of USA!
I had an enormous faith in America during the time Bill Clinton was President. What he built up with the rest of the World, with Europe was demolished by the Bush Administration in a no-time. With the first elections I already knew, when Bush jr. should be chosen as the President of the USA, he should push the world into danger. But you know History shows us that most Glorious Empires felt apart, were ruined owing to its own blindness, arrogance leaders who did overestimate themselves. I feel so sorry for the innocent citizens. Let’s hope this will not happen to America by someone like G.W. Bush.
I have got nothing to say about it, but I, living in The Netherlands, want the Clintons back in the White House and I am sure that the world shall be a better place to live in … again. More people in Holland have faith in the Clintons.
I wish we could do something in Europe to show the USA that much of the European citizens also want the Clintons back.
September 25th, 2006 at 7:47 pmThe right wingers at Fox channel have already censored the video.
September 25th, 2006 at 8:32 pmI can’t play it on their website and it’s no longer available at youtube.com because the FOXES already complained and asked youtube to remove the video or face a lawsuit on copyright infringement grounds.
Let us not forget Whitewater, Gennifer Flowers, and Paula Jones if you want to talk scandals. Bill also was almost impeached out of office, did we forget that?? You know, averaging a scandal every 20 months or so is not really good for the image. And what is with Billy pimping Richard Clarke’s book so much at the end of the first segment like that? Made it seem like either he wrote it or he gets a cut from the sales of said book. And PLEASE let’s not have Hillary in office!!! What made her want to come here and run for a Senate seat?? Oh, maybe b/c it has one of the biggest number of electorial votes and when she decides to run for Pres she thinks that she will easily win this state. Whatever. I just want to say that I’ve visited a few liberal blogs about the interview and I’ve noticed the trend that before the interview, everyone was critical of Fox and saying how the piece was going to be spun blah blah blah. Well, it wasn’t edited, it ran to form, in it’s entirity. Surprised I take it, since I didn’t see anyone that was complaining about how Fox, or Faux as I’ve seen it, was gonna edit it and nobody gave kudos to Fox for NOT editing it. I also love it how the libs HATE the Fox News Network. But I bet you watch House, don’t cha?? Oh, by the way, how is Air America doing? Oh, that’s right, it may or may not be filing for bankruptcy. http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2006/09/think-progress-air-america-radio.html Don’t sit there and cry b/c of your perception that you are losing your voice in the media. You have the newspapers and TV and Hollywood. You can’t compete with the Limbaughs of the world. Hell, I have to thank the libs for one thing: I made Howard Deans orgasmic warcry my ringtone!!
September 25th, 2006 at 8:37 pmRe: #670
September 25th, 2006 at 8:40 pmI just went to the Fox News site and it ran for me. Maybe you need to get rid of your Apple IIe or something.
Bill Clinton has done everything he can to cover up his mistakes. Lie Cheat Steal. He had 8 years to get bin laden. He depleted our military so much that when I joined the Army in Jan 2001 my MOS was in the process of being eliminated(combat engineer) but because he speaks well and was the beneficiary of a GREAT economy due to the works of the great Ronald Reagan he gets your libs approval. You all make me sick. Both clintons are useless politicians who care more about there own benefit than they do for the benefit of this country. But thats what you libs do right? President Bush will go down as one of the greats. And you 60’s long hair hippies will be remembered as a thorn in freedom.
September 25th, 2006 at 8:52 pmWow! The trolls get dumber and dumber. They do have some entertainment value and make us feel better about ourselves, but it would be more stimulating if they were more worthy opponents. Hard to believe there are so many fools out there and the street lights still operate. Orwell is spinning, spinning, spinning……Keep it up, and our grandchildren will revert back to foragers and hunters.
September 25th, 2006 at 10:35 pmLove the open forum! What a great venue.
Below is a link to Snopes “Urban Legends” website; the page is entitled:”The Clinton administration failed to track down the perpetrators of several terrorist attacks against Americans.”
A quote from part of the page:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm
Keep fighting the good fight, people! All of you! Open discussion keeps us going.
(signed)The Only Bush I Trust Is My Own
September 25th, 2006 at 10:39 pmMr. Clinton was rude and acted unbelieveably harsh towards Mr. Wallace. I would have cut the rude man off. But Wallace was wise and let Clinton make a fool of himself as usual. Clinton was obviously defensive of his actions as President or lack of. And always ready to attack what he is clueless about. I’m glad we don’t have him as president any longer. America would probably a muslim country now.
September 25th, 2006 at 10:39 pmTell it like it is Mat. You people need to stop drinking the cool aid. You have nothing to offer but hate..hate bush..hate conservatives…hate, hate, hate!!!
September 25th, 2006 at 10:40 pmI’m so glad FOX News finally got a little of the medicine they always dish out to every Democrat who comes on their show. They’ll pat Condi and Rummy softly on their bottoms but let a Democrat show up and it’s always let’s go for the jugular. I just wish Britt had been doing the interview. I suspect Bill would have not wasted any words on him and just gone right for his throat. After that, he’d probably have gone to find little Billy Kristol and bitch slapped him a little just on GP. God Bless you Bill and God Bless America!
September 25th, 2006 at 11:01 pmI think it’s hilarious that an earlier poster raved about this disgrace to the Presidential office as a man of ‘integrity’ and ‘honor’ – you Dems have been led so far left by the spin machine, and it started a decade and a half ago folks, that you have no idea where the center is any more.
In November we will have to school you _yet again_ in where America really is, which is way far right (and way closer to real integrity and honor) than any of you are.
Clinton yet again made a fool of himself and destroyed any hopes his wife had of moving on in her political career. Don’t you all realize that by 2004, your anti-Bush vitriol had swayed every swing voter possible, and it still wasn’t enough to win an election?
Please, this country needs a healthy two-party system. Get rid of the far-left nutjobs who are running it, present a solid, cohesive plan that people can understand and support, not only for terror and Iraq, but also for domestic policy, and you’ll have a fighting chance.
Keep up the “we’re not him” bile and you’ll lose even more power and credibility than you already have. And your supreme leader, who you love to call “big dog” (probably because he humps everything he can get his paws on) is doing his part to do just that.
September 25th, 2006 at 11:12 pmI love this William Kristol tidbit:
William Kristol, 4/03
September 25th, 2006 at 11:29 pmCome on Slick Wille. You didn’t seem so slick. Defensive MUCH! Enough with the right wing conspiracy blah, blah, blah. It didn’t fly when you were in office (on your way out, lock stock and barrel) and it’s not flying anymore. Wanna do some good for your wife, keep all that whining on the down low. It only makes you look like a not-so Rhoads scholar.
September 25th, 2006 at 11:45 pmImbarrest for my country
September 25th, 2006 at 11:54 pmI think it is very sad and degrading that EVERYONE (WORLD) is at cuffs because of one man (BUSH)
WHY DID YOU LET HIM DO THIS?
I Vote for the RIGHT PERSON for the job by there history
BUSH didnt have one he had JESUS
COME ON what does that tell you
WE NEED PRESIDENT CLINTON BACK!!!!! It was so refreshing and strange to see a president put more than 5 words together in a coherent and intelligent way.
I remember when President Clinton went after Bin Laden–the Republicans (and some Democrats) were against the move. Whether you like him or not–he told the truth.
I don’t care what Bush supporters think–it was incredibly STUPID to elect him to the White house. America will pay for it for decades to come.
We are already on the way down–America’s greatness has been squandered, our reputation tarnished, and our reasoning diminished. Don’t take my word for it–more than 180 countries in this world have declared that they had enough of Bush’s ignorance and arrogance.
I predict that many of these “supporters” will eventually deny their vote for Bush just like Peter denied Jesus. Already, I am finding it is harder for them to publicly admit that they actually voted for him—-try it. The stickers have come off of their vehicles with a vengeance–they are truly embarrassed.
I hate what President Clinton did with Monica Lewinski–it was clearly wrong.
But,
Bush is intolerably worse. Many more people will die because of our choice.
How sad.
But now that we are talking about Death–where in the ?!”? are the offspring of our numerous Bush supporters–those are our next soldiers, don’t you think? Round em up, I say!! If every Bush supporter sent their children ages 18 to 24–we wouldn’t have a shortage and our soldiers wouldn’t have extended tours–how about it?
There is a uniform that will fit your child–I guarantee it.
September 26th, 2006 at 12:00 amBIll Clinton will go down as a faliure fotunatly thats the truth. He admitted to killing over 3000 americans by not getting Bin Laden when givin the chance.
I always thought he could away with murder and could get way with it.
WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMBASSES
September 26th, 2006 at 12:39 amThe U.S. is suffering the equivalent of 4 USS Cole bombings every month.
But George W. Bush is tougher on terror! Big JOKE.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:03 amDubya is a criminal. Hard to believe Bill was on trial for a real estate transaction and some oral and the current administration is killing people and making boat loads of $$ doing it. It’s refreshing to see a Dem (the Dem) take the BS and put it right back in Fox’s face. Note to Chris Wallace, when you prepare interview someone who’s got you by 50 or more IQ points, have your S&#T together. If you’re unable to do that, stick to interviewing graduates of the Yale School for People Who Don’t Read Good.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:20 am(haven’t read the whole thread, btw, so if I missed something, sorry)
First off, The war in Iraq is the right thing to do, even if Bush led us into it for the wrong reasons (and the reasons he used to go in were indeed wrong). Honestly speaking, Clinton should have led us back in to Iraq, in support of the UN resolutions that SAID we would forcibly remove Saddam Hussein if he failed to comply with UN directives..which, by the way, if no one was paying attention, he didn’t. Not to mention the chemical warfare Hussein was using to wipe out the Kurds…ask some soldiers were they spend their leave in Iraq, and what the general attitudes of the Kurds are, as compared to the Sunni and Shi’ite attitudes…both after the attack by the US and before.
Secondly, Usama Bin Laden is not the problem – he is the symptom. Kill him, and another cancer will rise to take his place. Speaking frankly, the world fears and, for the most part, hates the USA, primarily because we have the military power to reduce their nation in its entirety – the only thing we lack is the political will to do so, and they fear that someday we will gain, for whatever reason, the political will to do so. Because of this, people like Hugo Chavez, and other men, snakes in the grass, will do their best to lie and decieve the american public, and the world as a whole.
Bush is not the best President we could have had, and I freely admit this…but he is far superior to a treasonous snake like John Kerry. By the way, I do not base the treasonous snake comment on the efforts of news media, but on after-action reports of his actions during Vietnam, his address to the Senate on Vietnam, his treasonous actions in France, and the fact that while he did throw medals over the fence at the White House…they weren’t his medals.
On the Israeli conflict…Israel has been on the front lines of religious and racial persecution for the better part of two thousand years. The Palestinians will never recognize Israel as a state, and will do their best to destroy Israel and kill every Jewish man, woman, and child…the technical term for that is genocide, by the way, yet you will never see the UN using that word…ever…especially not in reference to Darfur, in the Sudan. because then they would have to do something, according to the Genocide Convention…and guess who the primary striking arm of the UN is? Yeah, fine, Israel’s made blunders in the Lebanon conflict…but Lebanon is damn lucky I’m not in charge of Israel, because if I was, I would have glassed a five mile zone outside the borders of Israel. “No army in the world will be able to make us drop the weapons from our hands!” Direct quote by Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, whose stated claims include Israel’s eradication.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Biggest damn mistake the USA EVER made is getting involved in the UN.
For my two cents, if we pull out of Iraq any time soon, it’s going to start a downward spiral in the middle east, and soon we won’t have any friends in the area at all…because they’ll be so busy fighting terrorist attacks they won’t have any effort to spend doing anything else.
And, frankly, since 2001 there have been 19 Islam related Terror attacks in the Continental USA…the vast majority of them have been in Iraq, Pakistan, Israel, and Russia. The great majority of the attacks in America are done by American citizens…not foreign nationals.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:10 amFOX DOES NOT GIVE NEWS, IT LIKE HANNITY, LIMBAUGH, & O’RILEY ONLY GIVE COMMENTARY, AND DISGUISE IT AS NEWS. GO BILL. GIVE EM’ HELL BILLY
September 26th, 2006 at 2:17 am#684: Ken, while it’s true that Clinton had several oppurtunities to kill Usama, the majority of those oppurtunities where lost because of Command and Control issues, and the lack of the political acceptance of possibly killing the wrong target. Frankly, yes, Clinton did make mistakes – but his big one, was that he wanted to give the final ok on the assassination strike, and he didn’t have the balls to order somebody else to take targets of opportunity because he didn’t want to deal with the political fallout of dealing with a flubbed assassination attempt during the Lewinsky scandal.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:21 amThe rest of the civilized world i aghast by fox’s one sided interview. The reality is neither Clinto or Bush could have done anything much to capture Bin Laden , when their predecossors funded his movement.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:28 amIs it me, or did I notice that all neocon responses have terrible grammar and spelling? I read nearly the whole blog to date, and it became a glaring point. I wonder what it means…
September 26th, 2006 at 4:47 amOk so not hardly a single person is going to read this far
Isn’t it time we realized that neither the right wing idiots or the leftwing buffoons are on our side, Clinton one of the most well spoken democrats and Bush one of the least wel spoken Reps, they are both wrong. Unfortunately the libertarians are all far to weird to ever get elected to anything other then garbage collector.
Vote them all out….. They are supposed to be citizen representatives not career criminals Oops I mean politicians.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:16 amPresident Clinton, you keep it up. What is happening to America via “NEWS” networks such as Fox is gonna be our demise….We need to get back to honest dialog and real solutions. You are a true hero.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:21 amBill Clinton was on top of terroism, Bush administration is tail chasing and waisting tons of money for nothing, it amazing this debate heats up just before the mid-term elections as usual. this Boooooo Osama is gonna get you stuff always shows up just ahead of elections and the idiots fall for it everytime.
September 26th, 2006 at 9:26 amUnfortunately, provoking someone into a fiery self-defense can just play into an opponent’s hands, i.e., “My, you’re certainly very upset. I can see how upset you are. You’re very upset. Are you sure you aren’t having your period? Or is it just that you hate people? You’re so . . . angry . . . ” etc.
The Administration does something completely outrageous, and outrage is made into the focus, as being counter-productive and indicative of over-emotionality, which is, of course, anathema.
And, of course, the louder the outrage, the easier it is to pinpoint your enemies and get them in the crosshairs.
September 26th, 2006 at 9:45 amFor God’s sake, lying is as much an offense to the Ten Commandments as cheating one’s own wife. To some, it may seem perfectly OK not to give a dime about lying to their neighbors while lecturing among themselves how to lead a moral life. To me, that is not OK. Under Bush, the US has become the biggest, most brazen liar in the UN history. Being bullish and without respect for others does not bring security but only invite hostility. I do admire Collin Powell for his taking responsibility of the act and stepping down from post. But I can’t respect the guy who goes on pretending he is a moral champ.
The question Wallace asks Clinton in disguise would seem inhumane if it is given to Bush. Yet Clinton was asked because he is expected to be smarter. Smarter, yet he is expected to fail, otherwise such a question would not be asked. If one is fair, he must give Clinton a high five for coming out of that interview triumphantly the way he did.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:37 am5 years after 9/11/01, more than 100,000 lost lives and $500 bilion dollars later, the agents of Anti-Christ still cannot (or don’t want to) capture OBL and annihiliate Al Queda in their so-called WAR ON TERRORISM. The Red Busheviks are looking in the wrong country (Osama-Saddama – Iraq-Iran – they all look alike to Americans) Now the junta-cabal decided to fault Bill Clinton and maybe even the Dead Kennedys for their own failures. Will the Living-Dead Americans on Koolaid & Freedom Fries fall again and again for another strategic mass bluff, cleverly composed by the diabolical ROVE-BIG-DICK-CHENEY & Co zionist-oil junta cabal – in their attemp to take over the world? They seem to be able to pull this trick every time by inflicting FEAR with their orange and lemon codes on the gullible America…..I also did not know that Wallace is a Jewish last name – i thought it was Scottish – coming from Braveheart movie…. oh wellllllll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Wallace_%28journalist%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Wallace_%28journalist%29
September 26th, 2006 at 10:52 amHey Bill,
I have the money you asked for. Thanks for not having me arrested..
Your Friend,
OBL
September 26th, 2006 at 11:16 amBill Clinton is the man of the hour. I have never had so much respect for one person in my entire life. The Republicans are failures and they know it. Thus, they spend time looking backwards, trying to blame the Clinton Administration for everything Bush has done wrong. Here’s an idea: Dear Republican Party, have a vision of your own and try to manifest if somehow. If you can’t, maybe next time you shouldn’t pick a moron to be the leader of your party.
Gore 2008. If you won once, you can surely win again.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:54 am….alright, apparently they don’t appreciate comments about the pink party….
September 26th, 2006 at 12:25 pmI found it VERY interesting that Monday morning I went online and was able to see the entire interview. Later in the day, I clicked on the link again to view it, and Fox News had had it removed, saying it could only be shown with their permission. Fox News just can’t stand it that Bill Clinton showed up Chris Wallace and exposed what Wallace was really up to – smearing Clinton! And something else that was interesting was that in the all the spin Fox is doing, they are only talking about Clinton’s manner, pretending that Clinton was out of control. Well, he WAS NOT out of control – he was very much in control and speaking the truth, something Fox is not familiar with. Clinton is just tired of being the whipping boy for the corrupt Republicans, and rightly so! The reason our country is in such dire straits is because the Republicans care nothing for this country, only for holding on to their power. The Fox spin machine has not mentioned ONCE the substance of Clinton’s comments. They are not a bit interested in the truthful statements he made. GOOD FOR CLINTON! And shame on Fox News – business as usual. “Fair and Balanced” is such a joke!
September 26th, 2006 at 12:48 pmLooks like Bubba got caught with his pants down again !
September 26th, 2006 at 12:52 pmI can’t believe all of the support given to Clinton on this matter so many of you are patting him on the back for throwing a fit and acting like a spoiled child. Fox was asking questions the rest of the left wing agenda based networks wouldn’t as. Bill was showing his true colors and you should be embarassed for supporting him.
If he was not so busy ordering pizza and getting his knob polished they wouldn’t have had those questions to ask… he would have done his job. You are probably all big fans of meet the press and cheer for NBC when their one sided left wing agenda is pushed on sunday mornings. You certainly don’t find this sort of hatred toward NBC (yes I said hatred the key ingredient in liberal soup) from conservatives because conservatives respect the rights of others to have their own opinions.
The media in general reports on nearly everthing that happens in this country nationally and locally. It seems that everything from an auto accident on the interstate to a new cure for disease is creditted or blamed on the left or the right. News should be reported no matter what and questions should be asked. If you don’t like them don’t watch.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:05 pm“I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since”
Uh, Tora Bora?
BTW, just how did he get close to killing him? He didn’t act…at all.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:06 pm#704: I feel that I should point out that, during Clinton’s administration, an operative literally had Usama bin Laden in his crosshairs, but did not take the shot because of C&C issues – too much bureacracy.
#701: As an aside, I usually watch Fox News because, typically, it is more fair and balanced than the Communist News Network or the rest of the left-wing, liberal controlled media. However, on watching the video, Wallace pulled a cheap shot, and acted like a jack ass through much of the initial portion of the interview. Clinton did the same. Everybody loses, but Clinton hasn’t lost as much ground as Fox has during this.
It’s a shame that no one in the country really, truly reports legitimate news…all of it is overly hyped, hyperboleated, spin-controlled, and insert-adjective-here. The News outlets focus on human misery rather than human success – because it makes better headlines. We’re slowly heading back to the days of Yellow Journalism, unfortunately.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:20 pmDon’t you worry….you Faux news supporters…..you can just bet Clinton had a motif for even coming on the show. No democrat in his right mind would be interviewed on Faux without an agenda. Clinton is too much of a genius. My thoughts are that he is rallying the democrats….getting us off our a@#$% to prepare for the real fight the next election. Worked for me….we’ve got to keep this steam going for a while…..
September 26th, 2006 at 1:27 pmTruth be told, if we Republicans in Congress had spent just HALF as much time investigating the impending Al Queda threat against America prior to 9/11, as we did exploring the cum stain on Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress, more than likely the World Trade Center would still be standing and we wouldn’t be involved in this quagmire in Iraq! I am so sorry we didn’t have our priorities in order…will you forgive us?
Newt Gingrich
September 26th, 2006 at 1:49 pmPretexting.
Hmmmm, wasn’t there just an interesting discussion involving HP and that same issue? Fox and Chris Wallace seem to have gotten the fuzzy end of the popsicle stick for their pretexting. Shame they got called on it then and their. It probably would have given mr. bush and unka Karl each a woodie they could have played with had it gone down according to plan.
I do have a serious question. In 1941 the United States was attacked similarly. Anyone recall the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor? Five years later we ended things and were trying war criminals.
Here is the serious question; If we had the troops on the ground in Afganistan and Osama somewhere in Tora Bora in 2002, why isn’t he standing before a judge today? Why did mr. bush let Osama slip away and live to fight another day?
Is this just another failure in a long line of mr. bushes failures at each of his jobs?
September 26th, 2006 at 1:53 pmThe major news networks are still talking about this. Way to go Bill!!
September 26th, 2006 at 2:17 pmIt seems that most of the comments here are coming from name-calling bully wannabes. Chris Wallace asked a legitimate question and Clinton lost his cool. Does getting angry mean a person is in the right?
September 26th, 2006 at 2:43 pmI personally think Bill Clinton made an absolute jackass of himself. He showed his true colors. Wallace asked a simple question, and he answered it like a mad man!
September 26th, 2006 at 2:55 pmI really can’t for the life of me understand the mindset of Bush supporter in this day and age.
Ok, if you fell for the whole WMD thing after 9/11 and went to war thinking that America was really at risk, fine. But why would anyone…anyone still think that this country is heading in the right direction?
OK, fine, maybe you’ve been a fiscal conservative your whole life, you don’t like high taxes, yada yada. Can’t you support someone else who has an IQ at least? Someone who realizes that attacking countries who dont pose a risk to you LOOKS REALLY BAD and causes the rest of the world to gang up against you. Is that really so illogical? Its easier to be left alone if you don’t have everyone hating you?
Again…I’ll never undestand so why do I try?
September 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pm#712: Iraq posed an indirect threat to the stability and support if the United States. If Sadam had been left with free reign to develop his WMD, as the UN KNEW he was doing, he would have very quickly destabilized the middle east into a great deal of brushfires and wars, which would greatly increase the cost of oil, which would directly impact the US’s bottom line. Don’t kid yourselves…Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction, of the Biological and chemical varieties, and he tested them primarily on the Kurds – a significant fraction of the population of his country, and was, in fact if not in name, following a policy of eradication, genocide in blunter terms, on the Kurds. And yet, as per usual, the UN FAILED in its mandate to prevent genocide, and to protect the peoples of the world. Also keep in mind that the Russian and German intelligence agencies both concurred with the US intelligence agencies, along with the Mossad, that Hussein was actively developing WMD. The weapons themselves may not have been found – but there’s a hell of a lot of desert out there to bury stuff in, and it oesn’t have to be in Iraq – it can be in Syria, as well.
And one should not need to mention, but will anyway, that the French were violating the Arms embargo, and were selling missile systems to Hussein…missiles that, by the by, could easily be adapted to carry biological or chemical warheads?
September 26th, 2006 at 3:31 pm“Iraq posed an indirect threat to the stability and support if the United States.”
So after almost 3000 US live were taken and about 100,000 Iraqi lives, the region is in total chaos, Iraq is in civil war, Iran is seriously trying to obtain nukes to keep the US from invading THEM, then Israel follows our lead and invades Lebanon. And meanwhile Cheney and everyone else in the military industrial complex is making billions of dollars off of the world’s misery.
I can see now why it was so important to invade the wrong country and leave OBL alone…
September 26th, 2006 at 3:53 pmClinton used the words “kill him” several times in one sentence/one paragraph, regarding Origami Bin Liner.
Yet he refused and refuses to criticize Bush. Where is the sense to that? Killing a human being is ok, but criticizing the President is not on! Clinton is as sick and bad as any US President, including the idiot , brain dead puppet, Bush Junior.
Clinton is naief. Killing/eliminating Bin Laden, who might already be dead for all we know, will not end terrorism. In fact, it won’t make any difference whatsoever, just as capturing Saddam made no difference. Things only got worse and much worse is to come, just wait and see. Pearl Harbour was a shock but the war was much worse!!!! Josef Szilard tried to talk sense to Truman as did Einstein but Truman just said “Give ‘em Hell!” Lot of good that did. The war was over anyway and just one demonstration to the Japs of the Atom bomb would have got them to surrender. Even so, many japanese refused to surrender even when they lost the battles and were overrun.
The phony war on terrorism will continue because the neocons and the End Timers want the end of the world to come to pass in order to fulfill the book of Resurrection. Even today, Bush is trying to defend his war in Iraq. He and Clinton and the US government are the ones responsible for creating and promoting terrorism throughout the world. That is so obvious and clear. Just ask the living Nobel Peace Prize winners. They all know the truth and say it publicly, and yet Bush ignores them all. The USA is now a police state. Good by American Experiment is dead because the people are sheep and uneducated and do not care. Tom Paine was the only true patriot and supporter without compromise of the US constitution .
Killing does not solve anything. Killing begets killing. no matter who is killed, good or bad.
USA RIP
September 26th, 2006 at 4:15 pmHerve, in my opinion, for whatever that’s worth, The situation in the world today is better than it would have been if we had not goten involved. Admittedly, if we hadn’t gotten involved, a lot of the News wouldn’t be reported – but everything that’s happening now would be happening anyways – except without nearly so much attention from US reporters. The Arabs and Muslims have been killing each other for thousands of years, and they hold a grudge. These are not reasonable people. We can sit down and talk with any one person, and they act resonable, but as a group, they’re just going to keep killing each other, because it’s what they know.
Iran has been trying to obtain nuclear weaponry for years, the fact that they are getting them now is, as far as they are concerned, a bonus, because now they can point to the US and say, ‘look at the mean bully,’ despite the FACT that they hae been seking nuclear capability for years to better enable the state to control its population, and the actions of the nations surrounding them.
Israel and Lebanon have been at loggerheads for years, and Hezbullah has stated several times that they do not recognize Israel as a nation, and that they will push the Zionists into the sea. In other words…they want to kill every man, woman, and child in Israel, and if they can get world opinion on their side through good spin doctoring, and Israels admittedly questionable approach, so much the better.
Leaving OBL alone defangs him. Terrorists operate through terror…they’re essentially three year olds, wailing and screaming, ‘pay attention to me, pay attention to me.’ Every time he has his network make a move, we slap them upside the head with a bunch of troops and bombs, eventually he’ll get the point.
Otherwise….as I said earlier, the only way to destroy Al Qaeda is to kill every man, woman, and child that is in any way associated with it. Which is essentially going to be every man, woman, and child in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Pakistan, not to mention an arseload of other people. Personally, I don’t wnt to kill that many people, especially not relatively innocent people.
#715: Do you honestly believe the world is a better place for having OBL in it? For having Saddam Hussein in it? Or are we, as a world, better served for having removed them? But you are right…OBL is a symptom of the problem, not the cause. And that cause is not the US, but pointless hatred and Bigotry.
And, out of curiosity, do you mean Josef Wunsch or Leo Szilard?
That’s about completely wrong. The Only person in Japan who wanted to surrender was the Emperor, and that was because he could see the writing on the wall…something like 90% of the japanese people were in favor of continuing the war, even after the second bomb. Japs never surrendered, frequently killed american medics who were trying to patch them up, and it got to the point were orders were issued to shoot every japanese body in the head instead of trying to save them…because without fail, the japs would kill, or try to kill, someone. The Japanese hated America because of Perry.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pmTo # 716:
You haven’t at all made a good argument as to how the world is better off for having invaded a country is in a part of the world will always continue to kill each other off regardless of what we do. How is our contributing to the bloodshed a good thing? You think the only solution anyway is to eradicate everyone in the middle-east.
I’m curious…what do you think of Hugo Chavez and his philosphy of cooperation rather than competition? Also do you see any terrorists attacking China or Belgium or Canada? Your foreign policy theories are wrong. The US is in a very similar situation militarily speaking as Rome was at the begining of the millenium. Nobody could touch them in terms of military might and power and influence around the globe. The problem with with power is that if you don’t use it wisely it becomes a double-edged sword that opens you up to enemies you never knew you had.
For my money Venezuela is the new beacon of hope for the world and democracy…not the US, thanks to the neo-con agenda.
September 26th, 2006 at 5:33 pmNever thought about the fact the 9/11 attack was just ment to be for the combination America and Bush and not for America and Clinton?
September 26th, 2006 at 6:29 pmIt’s possible, Alida, but the fact remains – no matter who the next president was, there would have been an attack. During the Clinton years, the terrorists knew, or thought they knew, how Clinton would react to an attack on that scale, and, for whateve reason, declined to do something of that nature…or, quite possibly, they simply weren’t ready to do so. In my opinion, again, for whatever that’s worth, the 9/11 attack was a probing attack. The best option to deal with a probing attack is to respond with overwhelming force, at least as long as you’re reasonably sure that the enemy forces aren’t playing you for a sucker.
Even if Kerry had been elected, the attack would still have been attempted. I can not say, and will not speculate, on whether or not the attack would have been more or less successful, for down that path lies madness.
September 26th, 2006 at 6:40 pmwqerty
September 26th, 2006 at 7:13 pmStop fighting these partisan battles. Left vs. Right is a false paradigm. Bush and Clinton are both puppets of the Globalists’ New World Order.
Osama Bin Laden (aka Tim Osman) was a CIA asset.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:01 pmThe Truth About Osama
And we all knew this already. OBL was trained, armed, and equipped by the CIA while he was fighting in Afghanistan in the 70’s against the Russians.
By the by, reparsing the bomb type mentioned in that article comes up with fuel-air explosive device, electrically initiated.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:26 pmAlex, you have a point about Clinton being for globalisation and that he is pro-corporate and in that sense is aiding the “new world order”.
As for the left vs right, I would argue that the democrats and the republicans are both on the right. A real leftist is someone like Hugo Chavez, hence the need to abolish the 2 party system so that true progressives can be given a voice instead of these clones from the 2 american parties.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:36 pmAs a member of the “left,” my feeling is that we generally stand for inclusion, acceptance, and have an overall kind vision of people and a desire to serve humanity on a broad scale. I think our friends on the right are more often inward looking and attend to what they deem most important to their own well being. Their focus on the future seems to center on how they can protect what they already possess and how they can best acquire more. At least to me, they seem more inclined toward mean spiritedness, but then again, I think that may result from a paranoia that seems to infect the right—a fear of losing what has already been gained, made worse by the omnipresent thought that they may be stunted from acquiring more. It seems clear that these two widely divergent ways of looking at life, assuming some validity, contributes in large part to what separates the left from the right. I am happy and comfortable to claim my position on the left. That notwithstanding, the gulf between “us” and “them” seems so wide as to make me wonder if it can ever be narrowed. Will we ever again learn to respect each other and speak as one people, as a single body who will have differences of opinions but still retain a sense of unity, responsibility, and respect that allows us to present to the world as, simply, Americans? I certainly hope so.
September 26th, 2006 at 9:56 pmI would be willing to say two things,
September 27th, 2006 at 12:21 am1. Does anyone remember that Clinton was a LIAR, to the people, to the courts, IMPEACHED mean anything? You are trusting and makeing him almost godly, Clinton was and is no saint, the truth is, he didn’t do enough, No one has, or it wouldn’t have happened. Isn’t he also the one teaching our kids that oral sex is not sex? How many parents are willing to tell there kids, yea, go ahead, it’s not really sex, ask clinton.
2. My prediction, If the democrates get the Presidency, there WILL be a nuclear attack in our country, during the next administration. It’s not an if, Democrats or so stuck on manipulating the truth and manipulating the main stream media, that they will absolutely let more people die. Someone’s post said it right, we need someone with some balls, but clinton, the only useful place his balls were, was on monica’s chin, other than that they pretty much were forced in the face of every american, when he lied under oath, on the stand.
I can remember my father telling me from the time I could understand; “Any working man who votes Republican deserves what they get after the Republican wins” Now that he is gone I can still remember what he said when Bush won the race against Gore…”that lying cheating bully of a man is like the school yard bully” I keep remembering those words because he was so right. I had my best years financially when President Clinton was in office. When gas prices took a rise in price he said “hell no” and there was an immediate investigation. I think the reason there hasn’t been am investigation is because Bush and Cheney are oil boys. The good old boys. More Importantly is the lives of our young men and women who are fighting a war that never needed to happen. It was never about catching BinLadin it was about the son finishing the battle his daddy screwed up. We are lost…we are grieving and there is NO LONGER A MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA. As a people we are broke, the country is broke and the worst of it all is this country hand to borrow money from CHINA. We will pay for this later. You know who I want to see as President Hillary Clinton (who Jerry Fawell called the devil. Hmmmm wasn’t he caught in a hotel room with a hooker?) I am ashamed of my country’s leaders. The have sold us short. God Bless America during these last two years and on to Hilary Clinton as President and Bill as vice president. Imagine the work that would get done and imagine how quickly we would be out of debt.
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September 27th, 2006 at 9:24 amWe all have three sources of information. Our eyes, our ears and our government. To believe one, denys the others. Bill Clinton lead this country through 8 years of peace and prosperity. George Bush has had just as much success at president as he had at his failed private businesses. His whole life is about failure. He has failed to make us more safe and we now are viewed as warmongers by the rest of the world. Our “Cowboy” president has failed to lead with honor and has shamed us before the world. He’s a liar and should be tried for treason!
September 27th, 2006 at 10:24 amTime to insert some facts in here for the weak-at-arguments conservatives:
To number 710: being angry has nothing to do with being right or wrong. You could be angry and right, or angry and wrong. Got that? Learn to come up with stronger arguments. In this case, Clinton was factually correct, and go on Google or Lexus Nexus and you will find independent verification.
Rice, on the other hand, came up with a non-argument. She said they were just as aggressive before 911 as President Clinton was. But in looking at her text, if you look for actual concrete examples of this aggressiveness, you get nothing. or rather, *insert the sound of crickets *
The 911 Commission found that after the famous August security briefing, Bush did not do one iota. They might be right, they might be wrong, but they looked at it in more detail than anybody who is posting to this forum and hence are more credible.
All I can say to number 725, look at President Clinton’s successor. He just declassified documents for the reason that it helps him politically.
Is this not an abuse of his office?
Why were they classified in the first place? If it was important for this information to not be out in the public domain, then why should he declassify them? It just serves his political interests. That is a colossal abuse of power.
Of course there is the Valeria Plame manner, and his entire case for going to war with Iraq.
Which is worse?
If you say President Clinton was worse, what planet are you living on? So Clinton lied about not even a dozen blow jobs. That was a personal matter. He was exonerated about all the other *gates that were remotely concerned with the abuse of the office of the potus.
In a way, I pity conservatives. It must be tough to be a conservative today when you have the biggest collection of bozos running the country in your name.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:27 amIs it an abuse of power to partially declassify already leaked documents?
Or is it an abuse of power to leak inormation from highly classified documents in the first place?
September 27th, 2006 at 12:01 pmTo 725. Who put the info out about sex and stuff? Could it have been the Republicans? They seem to have been the ones that put the whole mess out there for all the kids and the world to see. They did more harm than Clinton did, in that respect. Let’s put the blame for this where it belongs. Would never have heard a peep about this but they thought that it would be to their advantage politically. Start putting the blame where it belongs!!
September 27th, 2006 at 12:08 pm#730, that sounds like butt-covering to me instead of taking responsibility.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:44 pmClinton is once again a bulldog. Someone has to be point man. What Bush didn’t do in eight months, Clinton didn’t do in eight years. A kettle calling the pot black. I am sure just as Cliton stirred up Muslin people with antics in the Oral office, his comments will be on Al-Jazzeer as part of some terrorists soundbite of recruitment.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:46 pmWell, didn’t read the full transcript yet. But after reading the above piece it reminds me off OutFoxed. I’m not American, but it’s interesting how politically involved TV stations are in the USA.
September 27th, 2006 at 2:40 pmWhat I wouldn’t give to have an intelligent, articulate person back in the presidency. Chris Wallace sold his soul to Fox and the repugs like the countless other “journalists” who do their hatchett jobs daily. Go Bill.
September 27th, 2006 at 2:50 pmBill is “the man”!!! He IS the ONLY ONE who has gotten so close. Love him…GO BUBBA!
September 27th, 2006 at 3:19 pmDang libs,
How do you explain the fact that Mike Wallace has said that Clinton “screamed” at this handlers after the interview was over and/or the fact that the Clinton people demanded that the cameras be turned off and said, ‘this interview is over’ as soon as jerk off starting verbally masturbating?
Bill showed us how truly ‘glib’ he is when he is in a live setting and is not getting softball questions from adoring “Journalists” (BIG quotes here).
September 27th, 2006 at 4:55 pmI guess Billy Clinton didn’t want confronted by Mike Wallace. He wanted praised and stroked. Wasn’t that Monica’s job?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pmWho cares? BJ is a pathological liar and his rantings don’t deserve any attention. Here’s a tip: if you don’t want to answer tough questions – DON’T GO ON FOX NEWS! Wallace asked fair questions, Clinton agreed, then berated him for doing his job. That takes real class. Nice job of playing to your base, Bill. Are you running for something?
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September 27th, 2006 at 11:42 pmFunny how twisted the liberal mind can be. I read the entire transcript and saw a man desparate for publicity berated for his inadequacies. President Clinton was an embarrassment to the White House. Here is the Rhoads scholar that has trouble with his memory “under oath”. Here is the leader of our nation, not accused of lying like Presiden Bush, but proven and admitting perjury and forgiven that felony. Yes what a great man to represent the liberal mentality, and Hear Hear to all those that cheer him and his accomplishments. You truly do HIM proud.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:01 am#741
Bill Clinton had gone on there to talk about an entirely different topic, so how do you say he was desperate for publicity? Did he have some prior knowledge he was going to be given that question needlessly, because othewise he was there to support a program he was helping. Yes, Clinton had his Monica Lewinsky scandal, but did anyone die or was the nation tarnished in the eyes of the world for it? Did it lead us into a war with false or misinformed intelligence? Bush is the the leader of the right wing, and he has made serious mistakes for which he is praised. He is praised for his actions in regards to Iraq, does anyone here praise Clinton for his acts in regards to his scandal? No, and that’s a key difference you should keep in mind. What we praise of him is standing up for himeself and asking a question of his own.
I’m sure if you were the leader of this great country, and had tried but failed to catch Osama, you’d feel horrendously dissapointed in yourself. He warned the next administration, but instead of people focusing on what happened shortly before the attacks, the right wing focuses to shift the blame onto the previous administration. Supposed that you were that leader and that they are trying to now blame you for something that occurred later, wouldn’t that upset you that the current president escapes that hard question (and implied blame) but you recieve it? Clinton lost his cool for that reason, but he had very good reason to.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:37 amThere’s plenty of blame to spread around. That’s not the point.
How could this man be a world leader when he couldn’t even handle an interview who wouldn’t pitch him softballs? It’s FOX NEWS, remember?
Too bad he didn’t blow his top when he was in office. Maybe then he would’t have ‘tried and failed’. Some leader you got there.
September 28th, 2006 at 7:37 amWhat I like about President Clinton is that he can speak in complete paragraphs. The current resident has trouble with complete sentences.
Some leader you got there.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:33 pmGood comeback.
September 29th, 2006 at 12:39 amMy Turn #746. I really cant stand George W. Bush, Liar & Idiot, etc,etc,etc. President Clinton nailed That B*****d Chris Wallace, good for President Clinton. I have watched Fox Channel, For about 5 minutes. It’s a piece of trash, the truth is’nt talked about, only about how the right wing is saving our country. What a laugh. We are in worse shape now With that mass murderer in the oval office then ever before. I’m talking about 30,000 dead innocent civilian iraqi’s. I dont cry for geogre, or chris, or for Fox news (that last is to laugh). To any right winger I do not apoligize. I thank you for desyrying my country. I was in uniform was Dicky.
September 29th, 2006 at 5:38 amYou’re right. Clinton speaks the truth, Bush is the liar and mass murderer, the WTC was brought down by controlled demolition, Valerie Plane, blah, blah,blah. These are delusions that are probably brought on by paranoia, hate and reading the NY Times, now that we’re talking about trash media.
Maybe we should pull all troops out of Iraq, buy the world and Coke, hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Why would we want to fight the enemy on their turf?
Now, there’s a plan for destroying MY country.
September 29th, 2006 at 11:39 amBill Clinton put FOX in it’s place? All they did was ask him what the public has been wanting to ask for so long. The reporter gave Clinton the perfect opportunity to tell his side of the story, with his typical narcisstic style, and his characteristic outrage that anyone should dare question him. Instead of responding professionally, Clinton wants to know if other interviewees are treated the same. Typical Clinton squirming and avoiding the issues. He knows this will play well to his many fans for whom he can do know wrong. Lie about the middle tax cut, take advantage of an impressionable young woman, then wags his finger at everyone else for trying to make him look bad. I don’t think he was a bad president, but I don’t unerstand people who deify him.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:11 pmThe worrying thing is that the Republicans still manage to control most every news cycle and set the terms of public debate. Events this week have made it exceptionally difficult for all but the most rabidly irrational partisans to deny that the White House’s strategy in Iraq has been a dismal failure. Worse than a dismal failure, since not only has it not achieved the objective intended (securing the US and the world from terrorism) it has achieved the opposite (endangering the US and the world by exciting terrorist activity and anti-American hatred), at the cost of many thousands of lives of both Iraqis and US servicemen, and billions of dollars of US taxpayers money.
If the Democrats were able to communicate these facts to the public there would be the biggest political blood-letting that the States has ever seen. But instead, the Republicans have all of you bickering about how much responsibility Clinton has for 9/11, and, worse, whether or not he won a debate with a reporter on a news channel.
Why are the Democrats so bad at politics? Why are the Republicans’ advisers so much better? If, as seems likely, degeneration in the middle east continues to hand the Democrats more and more powerful ammunition for their political battle, I have little doubt that they will simply end up using it to shoot themselves in their feet.
September 30th, 2006 at 5:15 amAn alien, looking at these posts, might think it was observing a heated argument among 10 year old kids. That we resort to name-calling, hyperbole, exaggerations of fact, specious arguments, and outright untruths to make our point means that we are either unwilling (scariest) or unable (quite scary) to participate in an honest, civil dialogue. Those able to take a broad view of this must admit that such superficial, dogmatic, uncompromising positions do not bode well for the future of our country. We are becoming a society of moral and intellectual degenerates in terms of our acceptance of having a dialogue that is civil and includes a real opportunity for compromise and change (yes—this means you might alter or change your position–how scary is that?). We have no desire or will to do this and that comes loud and clear through these posts. Why do we concern ourselves with the terror threat posed by our enemies when we reign terror on our fellow Americans daily by being so attached to our “rightness” that we try to tear apart anyone who does not agree. Why be concerned with an outside threat when we are terrorizing each other daily from within. Our days may be limited here but external forces will be the least of our worries. We may well destroy from within—all for want of “being” right.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:45 amI can’t believe any sane person could defend the current Presidency’s gross negligence in the Iraq war, faltering US economy, global warming, irrational decision making, demi-god attitudes and moronic speeches. I think you people are living on another planet. Oh wait, I wish you “Bush Junkies” were living on another planet or maybe just a third world country, where you could watch your children die in a war not of your making or disease and starvation. Instead of defending Bush’s incompetence and judging Clinton’s maritial transgresssions (which belong between him and his wife) consider the real issues. We’ve been placed in another Vietnam situation with no hope of success. We have serious problems within our own borders that are not being addressed. Our children are being murdered in their schools and people shot in their cars at stop lights. We have economic and environmental problems that will bring us to our knees without intervention. I think this ploy by Wallace was one more effort by “Bush Junkies” to take the focus off an incompetent President and lay blame falsely at someone else’s feet. And as far as Impeachment goes any President who thinks he should have the right to define torture by his standards should be impeached; this country is based on the premise that our President serves the people and is not the King of the USA.
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:07 pmMortified, what planet are YOU on? the economy is floundering? Not according to anyone who has actually looked at the numbers. The defecit is going down, interest rates are low, as is unemployment, gas prices are plummeting, etc.
As for Iraq, Saddam is out of power and on trial, His psycho kids are dead, Zarqawi is dead, they have had two elections and written and passed a constitution. The terrorists cannot win no matter how many cars they blow up. The only way for these terrorists to win is if we leave prematurely as those on the left want us to. I guarantee if we do that, the left will blame Bush again when the terrorists take over the whole country.
October 2nd, 2006 at 5:13 pmThe fact is the democrats voted with republicans to go into Iraq. The fact is the democrats have no alternative plans to protect the Us from terrorists. The fact is the left calls Iraq a distraction while Bin Laden has called it the central front in the war with the west. The fact is that there is nothing that the Bush administration can do to protect the US that the democrats will agree with. The fact is they are in favor of granting civil rights to terrorists.
Bottom Line: You cannot trust these democrats to protect the US…PERIOD
October 2nd, 2006 at 5:17 pmIt would be nice if politicians had some morals but it really doesn’t look like it to me anymore. No matter what side you look it. Sad but true.
October 5th, 2006 at 10:16 amIt is interesting to see how people who are blind perceive this. Some thing he came out on top, well he looked really defensive, guilty and stupid. He had much, much more time to do something about it, but he was too busy banging interns.
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