Today, President Bill Clinton taped an interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace, which is scheduled to be aired Sunday. He was told the interview would focus on his nonpartisan efforts to raise over $7 billion to combat the world’s biggest problems.
Early in the interview, Wallace attempted to smear Clinton with the same kind of misinformation contained in ABC’s Path to 9/11. Clinton was having none of it.
ThinkProgress has obtained a transcript of the interview. Here are some highlights –
Wallace repeats Path to 9/11 misinformation, Clinton fights back:
WALLACE: When we announced that you were going to be on Fox News Sunday, I got a lot of e-mail from viewers. And I’ve got to say, I was surprised. Most of them wanted me to ask you this question: Why didn’t you do more to put bin Laden and Al Qaida out of business when you were president?
There’s a new book out, I suspect you’ve already read, called
The Looming Tower. And it talks about how the fact that when you pulled troops out of Somalia in 1993, bin Laden said, I have seen the frailty and the weakness and the cowardice of U.S. troops. Then there was the bombing of the embassies in Africa and the attack on the Cole.
CLINTON: OK, let’s just go through that.
WALLACE: Let me — let me — may I just finish the question, sir?
And after the attack, the book says that bin Laden separated his leaders, spread them around, because he expected an attack, and there was no response.
I understand that hindsight is always 20/20…
CLINTON: No, let’s talk about it.
WALLACE: … but the question is, why didn’t you do more, connect the dots and put them out of business?
CLINTON: OK, let’s talk about it. Now, I will answer all those things on the merits, but first I want to talk about the context in which this arises.
I’m being asked this on the Fox network. ABC just had a right-wing conservative run in their little Pathway to 9/11, falsely claiming it was based on the 9/11 Commission report, with three things asserted against me directly contradicted by the 9/11 Commission report.
And I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans, who now say I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed with bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neo-cons thought I was too obsessed with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn’t do enough said I did too much — same people.
Clinton takes on Fox News bias:
WALLACE: Do you think you did enough, sir?
CLINTON: No, because I didn’t get him.
WALLACE: Right.
CLINTON: But at least I tried. That’s the difference in me and some, including all the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try. They did not try. I tried.
So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke, who got demoted.
So you did Fox’s bidding on this show. You did your nice little conservative hit job on me. What I want to know is…
WALLACE: Well, wait a minute, sir.
CLINTON: No, wait. No, no…
WALLACE: I want to ask a question. You don’t think that’s a legitimate question?
CLINTON: It was a perfectly legitimate question, but I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked this question of.
I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked, Why didn’t you do anything about the Cole?
I want to know how many you asked, Why did you fire Dick Clarke?
I want to know how many people you asked…
WALLACE: We asked — we asked…
CLINTON: I don’t…
WALLACE: Do you ever watch Fox News Sunday, sir?
CLINTON: I don’t believe you asked them that.
WALLACE: We ask plenty of questions of…
CLINTON: You didn’t ask that, did you? Tell the truth, Chris.
WALLACE: About the USS Cole?
CLINTON: Tell the truth, Chris.
WALLACE: With Iraq and Afghanistan, there’s plenty of stuff to ask.
CLINTON: Did you ever ask that?
You set this meeting up because you were going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers because Rupert Murdoch’s supporting my work on climate change.
And you came here under false pretenses and said that you’d spend half the time talking about — you said you’d spend half the time talking about what we did out there to raise $7-billion-plus in three days from 215 different commitments. And you don’t care.
Clinton on his priorities and the Bush administration priorities:
CLINTON: What did I do? What did I do? I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president, we’d have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him.
Now, I’ve never criticized President Bush, and I don’t think this is useful. But you know we do have a government that thinks Afghanistan is only one-seventh as important as Iraq.
And you ask me about terror and Al Qaida with that sort of dismissive thing? When all you have to do is read Richard Clarke’s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive, systematic way to try to protect the country against terror.
And you’ve got that little smirk on your face and you think you’re so clever. But I had responsibility for trying to protect this country. I tried and I failed to get bin Laden. I regret it. But I did try. And I did everything I thought I responsibly could.
The entire military was against sending Special Forces in to Afghanistan and refueling by helicopter. And no one thought we could do it otherwise, because we could not get the CIA and the FBI to certify that Al Qaida was responsible while I was president.
And so, I left office. And yet, I get asked about this all the time. They had three times as much time to deal with it, and nobody ever asks them about it. I think that’s strange.
Read the full transcript HERE.
our country, our world would be a better place is he were still our president.
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmOh my f*cking god, this has made my day. It's about time someone smacked down Fox, and I'm SO happy it was Bill Clinton.
Fantastic!!!
If this interview sees air time, I'm sure Fox will chop it to bits.
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmSmackdown, I guess its every reader to themselves, I didnt see anyone limping off the set.
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:59 pmthank goodness for Thinkprogress and the entire blogosophere. All I ask for is old-school straight talk like this.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:01 pmSmackdown? Clinton claims "And yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this. I think that’s strange." WTF? Who had 3 times as much time? 8 years vs 8 months? Bill, who were you so busy doing?
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:06 pmI'm not an American so I don't know the deal, but couldn't he be Vice-President an arbitrary number of times?
Gore-Clinton '08
Gore-Clinton '12
Feingold-Clinton '16
Obama-Clinton '20
?
So you bring in the new, young guys with the idealism and energy & charisma (after Gore fixes global warming, that is) and Bill stays on as the voice of gravitas?
[I'm sorry, I just don't care for Hillary]
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:07 pmThis is the best post I've read here in a year. Go President Clinton!, you d' man. Stupid (Wallace) meets the Rhoads scholar. He left you looking like an ass. What do you want to bet this will nor air or will be heavily edited.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:07 pmBEAUTIFUL
Go Bill!!
spread this transcript far and wide--Fox will cut the video to pieces.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 pmfox is running trailers, with the excerpts above, if you'v waited a year for this then you truly have a sad life.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 pmWay to go Bill Clinton!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 pm#6:
I believe that a Vice President must be elegable to take the office of President. For instance, a Split Ticket I'd love to see: McCain/(B) Clinton. If some fruitloop were to decide that McCain no longer deserved to live. He gets lucky and takes McCain out. Clinton would introduce a horrible bind in this situation: He could not fill the role of President because he is Term Limited.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:15 pmGood solid points. The public IS being played by the media - and has been played by them since at least 1988. The media LIKE being kingmakers. And one thing they like even more is to have tight races and close elections - it gives them more to talk about and it boosts their ratings.
That this leaves the country wide-open to massive election fraud and theft is an inevitable secondary consequence. It's a lot harder to steal elections that are not close.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmLove it when Bill kicks ass. At least Bill has balls, can't say the same about Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld Cartel.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:18 pmMike Wallace must just be dying to see what a shill Chris has become. Anything for a paycheck??
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:19 pmOMG, a President that can not only speak a complete, coherent sentence, but a whole bunch of them...and one right after the other...
Oh...
My...
God...
What a pleasure.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pm.
Now that's that. Clinton is classey and intelligent to much for the GOP. I'd like to see Clinton and the President of Iran in a discussion. No wonder the world respects Bill Clinton and they think Bush is an idiot oh yes and a Devil aka Satan.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmI'll bet it will be heavily edited. That's a pretty hard knock on FOX and the Bush loyalists.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmcontext beefeater. The fact is we were misled in the "war on terror" by half truths and lies by the bush adminstration now we are in the middle of a civil war. If we are to survive as the greatest nation on earth we need to stop this infighting and find the appropriate context for our nation to focus on.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:24 pmEdited version, advance copy courtesy of Winston Smith, Ministry of Truth,
WALLACE: When we announced that you were going to be on Fox News Sunday, I got a lot of email from viewers, and I got to say I was surprised most of them wanted me to ask you this question. Why didn’t you do more to put Bin Laden and al Qaeda out of business when you were President? There’s a new book out which I suspect you’ve read called the Looming Tower. And it talks about how the fact that when you pulled troops out of Somalia in 1993, Bin Laden said “I have seen the frailty and the weakness and the cowardice of US troops.†Then there was the bombing of the embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole.
CLINTON: I tried and I failed to get Bin Laden.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmSCHOOLED!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 pmwow - my imagination makes it a very exciting and rousing exchange!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 pmcan't wait to see it for real - and i bet i won't even have to watch faux to do so, thanks to the internets!
"Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love"
That's what we got stuck with.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:33 pmJackie - did you mention the devil? Now that explains the sulfar smell.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:34 pmYou guys are great! How I miss the days when we had real leaders in office. I hope Wallace choked when Bill fed him his smirk.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:37 pmfrom the transcript:
"...I think I owe it to my fellow countrymen and people around the world to help save lives and help people see the future..."
now THAT'S what being an american is all about...
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:37 pmHE DEMOLISHED THAT PUNK!
My goodness! He even smacked him for his smirk!
Thank you, Bill.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 pmNo wonder Fox prefers to have conversations among their various hacks, and right wingers. Wasn't it nice to have a President that could actually speak intelligibly as opposed to one that speaks in sound bites and malpropisms.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 pmHo. Lee. Crap. That was freakin' awesome. Totally amazing. I cannot wait to watch the video, though I would assume that they'll probably chop it up to not make them look like the tools they are.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:42 pmAmerica's Least Wanted
hot damn I do love billy boy
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:48 pmDamn. Clinton was far from a perfect president. Some of the things he did pissed me off at the time. But compared to Dubya and his pack of criminals and incompetents, Clinton looks like Lincoln, Washington, and FDR rolled into one. The guy could have a lobotomy and be ten times smarter than the buffoon who's infesting the White House now.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:52 pmThe American only-be-president-twice thing is really really moronic.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:52 pmNo wonder the pukes hate Clinton so much, he can cut through any bullshit they throw at him. Without notes.
or an earpiece feeding him lines.
I wonder how Bush would have handled such an interview?
oh c'mon, we know that would never happen... but if it did it, just look at Bush's interview with Matt Lauer. Just a little bit of adversarial questioning brought out his inner bully. He'd go totally ballistic if he ever got a real  grilling.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:54 pmYeah! Bill Clinton is the man! Why can't other democrats stand up to faux news like Clinton? This country would be a better place if we had more democrats like Clinton and Gore! Those two men are true American heros!
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 pmOh my f*cking god, this has made my day. It’s about time someone smacked down Fox, and I’m SO happy it was Bill Clinton.
Beautiful, isn't it? I was reading the transcript with my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe FAUX was stupid enough to think that they could fool or stump Bill Clinton. The guy who graduated 2nd in his law class from Yale, despite having no legacy to get him there. They've been worshipping the Yale C student for too long, I suppose...
If this interview sees air time, I’m sure Fox will chop it to bits.
Comment by Zooey — September 22, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
No doubt. The 'cons believe all is fair in love and war, and that everything is 'war'...
Still, I'm planning to email this version to everyone I know so the truth is out there FIRST...
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 pmI have an unusual thought about all this. Chris Wallace did a hit job on Fox for Bush. But, on other occasions, I'm starting to see the spark of an actual journalist in him. I think there's a little of his father, Mike Wallace, in him.
I'm going out on a limb here and making a prediction...within 2 years, Chris Wallace is going to ask some right wing guests too many tough questions, and Chris will be fired. At that point, he'll start a true journalistic career. He'll never be as tough or smart as Mike Wallace, but he'll have a go at it.
In the meantime, I find his toeing the line for Fox hard to watch...but I don't think he's the idiot in a suit that his co-workers are...
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:00 pmThe guy could have a lobotomy and be ten times smarter than the buffoon who’s infesting the White House now.
Comment by Frederick — September 22, 2006 @ 9:52 pm
Well said!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:01 pm"All of President Bush’s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office." - Right on Bill. I wish you were still president. 9/11 would never have happened. We would not be in Iraq. We would not be trillions of dollars in debt. We would not have idots like Bush, Cheney, Condi, and Rumsfeld bringing down America.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 pmheh... i thought this thread's copy was lengthy - till i read the full transcript ... it's still a record, but now i understand how hard it was to condense it even this much!
my, that was good reading! ...really good to hear him say those things...
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 pmmore! more!
Yet another Fox hit job. What if, before he died and if he was coherent, Wolf Blitzer or Tom Brokaw had smeared Reagan in an interview that was billed to be about some innocuous thing. The right would start lynching people. Wallace got "emails" wanting him to attack Clinton? Yeah, from Roger Ailes.
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 pmRepublican smear job in Maryland. Dems founded the KKK? Gotta love the GOP.
Political Buzz
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
That was pretty disingenuous of Wallace to say he was "surprised" about viewers wanting him to ask that question.
It's a f'in Right Wing Network! Of course their viewers want him to try to stick it to Clinton.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:17 pmLOL
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:18 pmWhy can’t other democrats stand up to faux news like Clinton?
Comment by neopro — September 22, 2006 @ 9:55 pm
they are not given this kind of chance, for one thing...
dems are not invited on many of the shows, and when they are, it's never better than 2 repugs to 1 dem...
it's weird to me - i listen to air america radio all day - i have to remind myself that MOST people don't know even a little of what i know... and the dems and progs are not allowed to get out their message to "the people"... top 40 radio doesn't carry this kind of information... it takes extra time and effort to be informed... easier to be lazy and apathetic...
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:19 pm...
When Chris Wallace began his tenure at Fox "News", he wished to reassure his audience that he would be fair and objective. So much for living up to the slogan of being fair and balanced.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:21 pmI think the 06 election is pretty much over tonight. We won.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:22 pmThat is, if - and this is big IF - the Dems follow Clinton's cue
and make the first 8 months of Bush, Tora Bora, afghan to Iraq
deflection the issue.
Bushies will have no response and we will have the election in the bag.
Now that we have the transcript, Fox cannot edit this.
Clinton always, ALWAYS was the republican slasher...ripping any of them to shreds one on one and holding the whole scab of filth at bay for 8 years thwarting their every dirty underhanded incessent yelping and lying. And inspite of their wasting $100 million of taxpayers money to undermine him, they never really did. They may have finally caught him in a slip up (as anyone could against anyone if you had a $100 million to throw around), but he never had the piss poor ratings of the criminal bufoon that followed him.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:24 pm.
So glad to see this. Clinton DID try to get Bin Laden, Bush has been all talk. Bush was more interested from the get-go to oust Saddam. Bush has made a mess that we may never get out of
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:25 pmI love the Big Dog.
This is why the right wing hates him with such passion.
He is a real president. Legitimately elected, instead of being installed by Daddy's corrupt cronies on the supreeme court.
He knows how to take on right wing hacks like Chris Wallace. He knows how to fight back.
He is the most formidable Democrat since FDR.
This is why the right wing hates him.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:37 pmDAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNN!!!!!! Will this actually get on TV? If it does I bet they edit the crap out of it.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:41 pmThat's gonna leave a mark.
Don't f*ck with the Big Dawg.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:44 pmRE: #11
Nope...incorrect. Re-read amendment #22 to the Constitution:
There is nothing to prevent a two term President from becoming Vice President, and subsequently assuming the office of President due to death of a sitting President as specified in Amendment 20. I don't think Article 12 precludes this from happening ("But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States") but that would be an interesting legal argument on original intent.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:45 pmout-FOX-ed by the best! :D
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:45 pmIf FOX runs this, is it a goldmine for Dem ads? Will it be 'fair use' for political ads? Damn, that's good.
Note to Dem leaders: be more like Clinton!!
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repost from full transcript page:
Wow.
How do the kids say it? OWNED?
No wonder the pukes hate Clinton so much, he can cut through any bullshit they throw at him. Without notes.
Best. Transcript. Ever.
.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:46 pmDammit, lets try this again:
Can the dems use this for ads? Wouldn't it be 'fair use'?
Advice for Dems: BE MORE LIKE CLINTON!!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:51 pmWow... Bill was terrific in defending his record and also placing the blame where it belongs.
Bravo 'the people's B
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:52 pmill.'
BEAUTIFUL!...Good job Bill......oh and chris...'your NO mike wallace'...and NEVER will be.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:53 pmOne thing is going unnoticed and deserves to be mentioned. Former President Clinton mentions some very wealthy people, Gates, Buffett, who are supporting very liberal ideals. From the full transcript:
Hats off to them. Now, if only more of the super-wealthy can follow their lead...
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:54 pmHoly shit that was funny. Wallace needs some serious Tide, because his ass just got taken to the cleaners. My God, Bubba's still got some spice to him!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:55 pmLiberal media my ass!!! I'm glad when, on rare occassions a liberal does get to speak his mind and does it well. The right wing media lies daily. I was happy to hear Clinton defend himself.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:56 pmNice to see former Pres. Bill Clinton stick up for himself on 9/11 smears, but he still needs to explain his association with the Bush family?! The Bush clan has completely destroyed Clinton's legacy, but he refuses to criticise Bush Junior who told Karl Rove to smear Bill constantly! Bill is a clever politician, but he has been out-conned by Bush Senior!
Bill if you read this post, then wake the hell up, and realize the Bushes are your biggest enemy! Hillary needs to wake up too and stop helping Junior!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:56 pmDumb, dumb repugs, they really THINK they are smarter than they really are, too bad they actually believe their SPIN about themselves.
The clowns on Fox Lies Corp actually think they are smarter than Bill Clinton, so they tried to set up a normal faux ambush.
Too bad for them Clinton is THE REAL THING, not a Karl Rove creation
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:02 pmBill Clinton throws another hissy fit. It's just like the old days.
No one has ever said the man doesn't think fast especially when it comes to saving his own face and tooting his own horn.
The slightes hint that he's wrong brings out his nasty temper and his enormous ego.
Go FOX!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:03 pmThank you, President Clinton! It has been a very long time. I fully expect a 'P.T.9/11' style dramatizational edit job. I hope they cut his (Wallace) laughter out, for his sake. That type of laugh is like the reaction when one kid punches another, and the one who got punched says, 'DIDN'T HURT!!, then runs away and starts crying. Mr.Wallace was also rather disrespectful. Like him or not, he should be treated in a respectful manner. Democrats objected to the comments made by the President of Iran, they felt it was disrespectful. They do not like GWB, but they respect the office of the POTUS, and put their personal feelings aside, and spoke out about it. I guess the Righties are just so used to slamming everyone who doesn't 'share' their ...values, that it was just same old-same old, and Wallace wasn't going to change his ways, especially with President Clinton. Bad call. So the 'interview will have to be edited to make him look better, since it won't happen without ALOT of chopping. Republican Ranting only works when the victims aren't there to call them on their crap. They can't handle it. Especially when they reply honestly to the questions that are being asked to make a 'Got'cha' moment happen. Why lie, when the truth is so much more effective? And Righties never see it coming. And there is no 'come-back' for that. So it's 'Change the Subject' time! It just didn't work this time. This was the whipped cream on the Key Lime Pie of my day! :)
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:03 pmHahahahaha ... Faux can dish it out ... but that can't take it! Go Big Dog!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:07 pmTruth hurts, don't it Faux?
HUH?
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:12 pmB..B.. BUT CLINTON
/had to
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:17 pm#62 Haha, it was nice when our president could think...fast...or at all.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:26 pmAnd yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this.
And that's the key question. Conservatives slam Clinton for missing opportunities to get OBL with a special ops strike, but Bush has had 5 years since 9/11 and the entire strength of the US military at his disposal and he claims that he thinks getting bin Laden would be a poor use of resources.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:28 pmwallace should have started out:
"Mr. President, the mind controlled cult that watches Fox wanted us to ask you...."
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:32 pmThe slightes hint that he’s wrong brings out his nasty temper and his enormous ego.
Go FOX!
Comment by Georgia
I know. I hate it when George W. Bush, or "Dick" Cheney, or Rumsfeld do that. I feel your pain...
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 pmHeh! Typical Clinton! A mixture of obfuscation, lies, and inability to answer a question directly or honestly...It is this kind of sophistry that led to him having a federal judge hold him in contempt of court....The man never learns!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 pmThe man never learns!
Comment by Exley
Lame...
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 pm#71 ...and yet he was serious about bin Laden.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 pmUm, wasn't Chris Wallace the guy who said, on national TV, that his own father - Mike Wallace - was showing signs of senility because the elder Wallace had the stones to criticize th' Bushwhacker? No matter what else Chris Wallace ever does, he will never make up for the fact that he called his own father senile on national TV. S-C-U-M-B-A-G!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:38 pmWhy can’t other democrats stand up to faux news like Clinton?
Comment by neopro
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:40 pmI agree with that statment in your post.That's what they really ought to do instead of going on there and trying to be diplomatic.The Dems interview on Faux news must be adversarial.
Just a little truth mixed in there. And some strategy for dems. Watching BC on FOX could be a class in how to swat down bullshit.
And when the Dems find something that works, they should stick with it, at least during every public appearence. Hammer them on IRAQ. Then diversify. Hammer them on Body Armour.
"Wouldn't you want proper body armour as a soldier in a war?"
Hammer them on CPA incompetents playing football with stacks of the voter's money. Hammer them on torture. Hammer them on...
Their record.
.
P.S.(O/T) I haven't heard 'Benedict Lieberman' thrown around, but I think it has a ring to it...
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:41 pmExley,
#71.
I guess you have reading comprehension issues to deal with. There is huge difference between facts and..... idiots. Look it up and start watching your propaganda channel. You need your hourly dose to keep your IQ in single digits.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:41 pmOWNED!!!!! Go Clinton!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:42 pmWhen Chrissy Wallace decided that he wanted to be a journalist like his father, perhaps he forgot to watch and learn from the grand old man of profeesional journalism how to conduct proper interviews and how to show proper respect for guests. Even Joey Scarbourough once said that if he didn't interrupt his guest after seven seconds, that he wasn't doing his job. Good reason not to come on his show unless you bring up the subject of a dead staffer in his office.
So that's what is supposed to be journalism? Invite a guest over to your place and humiliate him/her without offering a beverage? Chrissy, my girl, I mean boy, you have a lot to learn before you're are even 25% as good as your father is.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 pm#71, JPark,
He was semi-serious. He did the right thing in launching the cruise missile attack against Afghanistan and the OBL-Iraqi-Sudanese Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum. He could have done more. However, hindsight in 20/20.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 pmALAN COLMES, YOU COULD LEARN A FEW THINGS ABOUT FIGHTING OFF A BUNCH OF RIGHT-WING BULLIES FROM MR. WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 pm#72, Zooey,
I don't think it's fair to call Clinton "lame." I agree with you that his overly-defensive performance in this interview was exceedingly weak. But, as JPark pointed out, Clinton did make some effort to get Bin Laden, albiet ineffective and unsuccessful. But I fully supported Clinton when he launched a cruise missile attack against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the Sudan, where, as Richard Clarke and Sandy Berger said, Al Qaeda was working with Iraqi nerve gas experts at the al Shifa plant.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 pmHowever, hindsight in 20/20.
Comment by Exley
Hey Ex,
Maybe you could look into your magic crystal ball and give us an idea what rightwing 20/20 hindsight might look like.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:50 pm#82 - Once again, Ex, YOU are being lame.
Face it, sweetie darling, you got nothin'.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:00 am#80 I am not a big Clinton fan. I thought he was a pretty good pres. I also think he was way to Liebermanesque. However, put yourself in his shoes. This guy, bin Laden, is suspected in the Cole bombing. There is no proof but you suspect he is a pretty bad guy. You have the righties jumping all over you for a goddamn blowjob and claiming every foreign policy decision was driven by a desire to distract the country from the Republican witch-hunt. Ok, so, you have this guy in your sights. Clinton pulled the trigger, witchhunters be damned. He told the CIA that the guy was a target and to take him out. He made Richard Clarke the anti-terrorism czar and made that a cabinet level position. Clinton was an incredibly political animal but he was damned serious about getting bin Laden, which was NOT politically expedient for him. The guy was described as too obsessed with bin Laden by his enemies!!! He did what he could. Your boy didn't.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:05 amI use to have a mild infatuation with Clinton. Now I realize its full blown love.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 amI am so glad Bill let him have it. Bill is a rock star and the best thing that has happenned to this couintry in my lifetime. Little biased interviewers like Wallace need this kind of feedback on air so they will try to be objective and be real reporters.
Bravo Bill!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 am#84, Oh, Zooey, I wouldn't say that....I got you calling me "Sweetie darling..."
That's sumthin' !
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 am[...] I think I need to take a moment here and bask in how absolutely AMAZING President Clinton IS. In case you haven’t seen my Facebook profile, Clinton is still my president. And I know you all check Think Progress every chance you get just like I do, so you’ve already seen the best transcript ever. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:11 amIn the immortal words of The Juggernaut:
Pimp-smack your right-wing ass, bitch!
And make no mistake about it, Chris Wallace is a little whiny bitch.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:11 amUnfortunately, Fox will edit most of this in a way that makes Clinton look bad, just like the ABC docudrama. The same media lapdogs at CNN that are doing stories now on the inevitably of a US-Iran war will construct narratives from this that will try to make Clinton look insane and decidely anti-Bush, which is code for anti-American. The mythology will begin to cement itself, along with our terrible fear of being attacked by Iran. The echo chamber will embellish it and mold multiple permutations of 911 being all Clinton's fault. Toby Keith will right a song about it that we will all be forced to stand up and sing during the seventh inning of every ball game. And we will blog and complain.
Although I think sites like TP and Media Matters are making inroads, we have to get the Fairness Doctrine back and more regualation in controlling monopolies from own the media. It's the only way. And that means going all out to get people to the polls in five weeks. Donate money. Talk to your friends, well at least the ones that still have hope. Initiate group efforts to drive people to get their Republican mandated IDs, and drive them to the polls. This misinformation machine that exists in everyone's homes and cars has to be dismantled soon or it won'tnfor many years to come
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 amThat’s what they really ought to do instead of going on there and trying to be diplomatic.The Dems interview on Faux news must be adversarial.
Comment by DutchHenry — September 22, 2006 @ 11:40 pm
i'm so with you on that! ...every chance they get, dems should bash!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 ami mean, there's so much ammo available - use it!
...
Hey Chris, how does it feel to get butt hammered on National TV?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:16 amLOVE IT! Everyone in the media panders to Slick Willie, never asking him tough questions, when he is asked an unscripted question, he has a meltdown. Clinton did Zero to catch Bin Laden, "Path to 9/11" illustrated that.
Welcome to Fox News Bill! Where you don't get the questions before the interview.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:16 amNow I realize its full blown love.
Comment by Lisa Wilson
That's a fine double entendre...
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:17 amWhy do people in this blog even acknowledge the mashochistic right-wing douchebags who apparently live at this site?
Just ignore them and maybe they'll have to get their masochistic jollies by actually joining the millitary and going to Iraq.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 am#94 Are you kidding me? The media has been sucking Bush ass for 5 years and attacked Clinton for more than 2 years. Never mind, you are a Fox viewer, you are too stupid to talk to.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 amHehe, I love the double entendre.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 amBill Clinton is a terrific politician, he was an amazing President, and he is ten times the leader George W. Bush ever could be. Nice to see him taking Fox and Wallace to the paint and making the whole news organization look like the morons they are. It's true that the Bush Administration had z-e-r-o meetings discussing Bin Laden until after he crashed planes into New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania. As Clinton said, at least he did all he could to get Bin Laden, while Bush did NOTHING, and that is what led to the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:24 amSecondly, you Libs are nuts if you think this was a victorious, way-to-show-Fox, Tough-guy, moment for Clinton. He got asked a question he could not honestly answer and flew off the handle and acted like a street-punk... shaking his finger in wallaces face...Wallace was a class act (as always), Clinton was rage-filled jerk. Thanks Bill, for a video bit that will go down in history.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:24 amI love it when Clinton gives the neocons a taste of their own medicine. Listening to him speak reminds me of what America was like when we had a real president.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 am#94: Ha! He is slick isn't he? Better than being a moron, like Bush. Of course, your argument is based on a "documentary" that is full of falsehoods and lies. Try again.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 amSadly, this interview will most likely be edited to save the image of Wallace Jr. His father must be ashamed of the man he has become. Mike Wallace could conduct a savage interview, but he was fair and direct. This little squirt doesn't have clue what professional journalism is, let alone decency. These people are the most unpatriotic in the country today because they know better, but have sold their souls.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 am#94
Well said, Neocon .... Bill is too used to the softball questions from CNN (Clinton News Network) and CBS (Clinton Broadcasting System)....As soon as a real journalist tries to ask him some real questions about his counter-terrorism record, he melts down and starts lashing out with half-truths and outright lies...As I said, it is this colossal arrogant belief that no one may dare question him that led to his being held in contempt of court and having to enter into a plea bargain with prosecutors like a common Mafia hood on his last day in office.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 am#94: better to be slick and successful than stupid and incompetent like Bush. Of course, the basis of your argument is a "documentary" that been shown to contain multiple falsehoods and outright lies. Try again?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 amHey neocon, Kinda like the way your Chimp in Chief has to do the hand picked butt kissing crowds, rather than meeting the people face to face...
You Fright Wing whackoffs are such bloody hypocrites.
Go back to to FREEPERLAND you Knuckle Dragging Buffoon, before someone drops a house on you
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 am#100: Very funny. You want to see someone act like an idiot when asked a question? Look at the first Bush debate against John Kerry. He was like a second grader! Bwaahahaha!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 am#104: Clinton didn't lie. Of course, it's hard for you to tell when Georgie does nothing but lie.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 amFinally, Thank you Chris Wallace and Fox, for Asking a question that Clinton has been spared by the Gutless, we-don't-want-to-hear-the-real-answer, media since 9.11.
Clinton want to field softball questions?.....Stick to Larry King
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 amSecondly, you neocons are nuts if you think this was a victorious, way-to-show-Clinton, Tough-guy, moment for Wallace. He got asked a question and he honestly answered it and Wallace acted like an ass just sitting there laughing…Clinton was a class act (as always), Wallace was a rage-filled jerk. Thanks Chris, for a video bit that will go down in history.
There. Now your post makes sense.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 amThe fact you neocons just can't seem to face in the morning is that 9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH'S WATCH! He did nothing to stop it, except continue to read "My Pet Goat" for seven minutes. THE WORST TERRORIST ATTACK IN U.S. HISTORY HAPPENED ON BUSH'S WATCH AND WAS HIS FAULT. He was warned and did nothing!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 amThis part crack me up!
"All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much. Same people."
Yeah, Bill, you were a real Hawk! Osama is was glad to be out of your kravenous crosshairs.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 am#100 Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and face reality. YOUR President has lost the war on terror. How? By doing nothing to actually catch the Bastard that did this to us OBL. When I watched the towers come down again on 9/11 this year I got mad all over again. But this time, my anger is directed at the conniving, lying, incompetant, dimbulb that currently occupys the Oval Office. This country is no safer today than it was before 9/11 IMO less so because of what Bush has done to us. Is it 2008 yet?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 amExley has apparently never been full blown in love...
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 amGee Neocon (replying to #94), cant you understand you are hurting your country when you let the polarization take over your brain like it has. Clinton was not perfect, and I dont mean the Monica thing, Clinton was attempting to tackle the problem though. Bush is the same, I see flaws in both approaches but Bushes effort is far far less effective than Clintons. Neither one apprehended Bin Laden but Clintons approach did not make the USA a rogue state, a torturer in the eyes of the world as Bushes method has.
I watched as the Yanks killed their way through the Vietnam conflict, I protested with many others, but I never during that time had the same absolute lack of respect for the USA as I do now.
A pox on your house
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 amBalzar
Yeah, Bill, you were a real Hawk! Osama is was glad to be out of your kravenous crosshairs.
Brought to you by the folks who had him surrouned at Tora Bora and let him go.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 amChris Wallace is such a pig... what a hatchet job... these "news" people are really just right-wingers getting paid to distract people from Bush and the neocon destruction of our Republic... Chris Wallace the new swiftboater, sliming President Clinton, then smirking about it and laughing in the President's face. His father should be ashamed.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 am#114,
I appreciate the offer, Zooey. But don't you think we should get to know eachother a little first?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 amChris Wallace only did that to President Clinton because he and the rest of his ilk have been doing it to Democrats for years.
It is pretty pathetic when you got Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter standing up for the party while the rest of the Democratic leadership quakes before GW Bush, Karl Rove, Fox, and the jerks in the MSM.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 am#82 - Once again, Ex, YOU are being lame.
Face it, sweetie darling, you got nothin’.
Comment by Zooey
Actually Zooey, he did get something, but NOT what he wanted. A good look at what Fox would Look like DAILY if they did not vet their guests so much and use the ambush style of journalism to propagandise for the Greedy Ole Party.
Exley got a small dose of reality, which is the proper antidote for the GOP kool-aid. True believers are like all drug addicts, they do not want to give up their delusional lifestyle.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 amOK Neocon, President Clinton has admitted he failed to find bin Laden.
We can accept that.
However, you neocons have had six looooooooooooooooong years.
So, Where is bin Laden? Since you think you folks are so qualified to lead, why haven't you caught him yet?
Answer that question.
You have boots on the ground in the middle east. Yet, no bin Laden.
Nada, zippo, zilch....
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:42 amBut when it's all said and done we are still left with these words from George and why the No.1 Priority isn't a priority and why National Security is weak and why Osama is still free -- George doesn't care and doesn't keep his promises. Heckuva Job George:
For four and one half years, more than a single term in office, Bush hasn't cared The decider cannot be bothered with his #1 priority.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 am..."video"... "listening"... ???
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:46 amis there video of this somewhere???
what am i missing?
#112, I agree, Necon...“All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much" and "All these neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden"
Wha? What is he talking about? WHO is he talking about??? He just throws out this lunacy with giving a single name or example...Like Hillary's famed "Vast right-wing conspiracy" (until the blue dress turned up)... Look, Clinton did make some efforts to get Bin Laden and Saddam ... But his defensiveness in this interview borders on the paranoid....
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 amYeah, Bill, you were a real Hawk! Osama is was glad to be out of your kravenous crosshairs.
Yeh it's much better when Bush, a REAL Chickenhawk, is glad to be out of Georges mind AND crosshairs.
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:48 am
Hopefully Clinton is now done trying to play nice with Bush and the neocons. These people are a true threat to the Constitution and have nothing but contempt for the rule of law, and deserve to be treated as such. It's time to defend the Constitution and the American system, not be nice to people who are sharpening knives to stab us all in the back.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 amWha? What is he talking about? WHO is he talking about??? He just throws out this lunacy with giving a single name or example…
Well you would be wrong Exley, but thats not new now is it?
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 amConservatives are always critical of President Clinton because he failed to apprehend or kill Osama bin Laden after a couple of attacks on foreign assets. But, their precious Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld haven't had any more success, despite the motivation of the most lethal attack on our home soil. Hey, conservatives...FIVE years! All the world's assets and troops on the ground in Afghanistan asn still no bin Laden! Oh, and when will you incompetant homeland protectors get around to capturing the anthrax terrorist who attacked our metropolitan areas shortly after 9/11/01? No wonder you support torture...you have tortured minds, tortured by George W's incompetence.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 amI miss the days when we had a real president. Clinton represented everything that a president should be: a man of integrity, honor, charisma, and intellect.
Compare that to George "War" Bush, the worst president in history!
Bush's war on presidential integrity:
The first president in US history to enter office with a Criminal record:
• The first arrest of George W. Bush was for theft at a hotel.
• The second arrest was for disorderly conduct at a football game.
• The third arrest was for drunk driving.
Admits to doing cocaine.
Admits to being a former alcoholic.
Was AWOL during the Vietnam war.
As President, Bush spends two to three hours a day exercising during what most would consider work hours (between 8am and 5pm). This doesn’t count his one hour lunch break. This leaves Bush with only five hours a day to work. He also refuses to work evenings and weekends.
Bush has taken more vacations than any president in history:
- As of August 2005, Bush has taken 315 days of vacation.
- In his first term, he took over six months of vacation.
- A 28 day vacation right before 9/11
- A ten day vacation during the Israeli-Lebanon crisis (Tony Blair was smart enough to postpone his vacation during this time)
- A five week vacation right before and into Hurricane Katrina.
Bush has set the record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
Prescott Bush (Bush’s grandfather) was extensively involved with and enabled the rise of Nazi Germany, and its war machine via his business interests. This has been clearly shown in recently declassified (2003) documents from the National Archives. Much of the current Bush Family fortune can be traced back (directly or indirectly) to Nazi profiteering. By working around Roosevelt’s 1942 “Trading with the enemy actâ€, Prescott Bush made $1,500,000 dollars from Union Banking Corporation which has an extensive history making money for the Nazis (for details, see http://www.debatecomics.org/assets/Sources/US_Fascism/A-2%20Fascist-Friendly%20Power%20Brokers/Roaming%20Ghost%20Case/Chapters/chap07.pdf).
Bush was bailed out of bankruptcy by his father and father’s friends numerous times.
In the new book 'Bush on the Couch,' psychoanalyst and professor at George Washington University, Justin Frank studies the president's public pronouncements and behavior, along with biographical data, to craft a comprehensive psychological profile of Bush. Frank indicates his research has uncovered a man suffering from megalomania, paranoia, a false sense of omnipotence, an inability to manage emotions, a lifelong need to defy authority, an unresolved love-hate relationship with his father and the repercussions of untreated alcohol abuse.
In 1963, Laura Bush, killed her then boyfriend, Michael Dutton Douglas, in a fatal car accident. Though she was at fault for his death by not paying attention to the road, she was not charged or penalized for the killing.
Bush has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of the television.
Bush sealed the presidential records of both himself and his father.
Bush and Cheney both refused to testify under oath - or by themselves - to the 9/11 Commission.
How did this country go from having a true hero like Clinton in the white house to a douchebag like Bush? Talk about a 180 degree turn on presidential integrity! Good thing congressional election is on its way...along with a presidential impeachment!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 amif it were left up to the neocons, they would blame Clinton for Eve eating the forbidden fruit.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 amBalzar (responding to 115)
RE: Monica, I could careless what Bill does
in private, he can stick his cigar any where he wants
RE: "Clinton was attempting to tackle the problem though &
Bushes effort is far far less effective than Clintons"
Bill basically did NOTHING to prevent any major world problem
Under his watch, he ignored Genocide & Advance North Koreas nukes. The easiest decision a leader can make is to do nothing....Clinton did that for 8 years.
RE: "the USA a rogue state, a torturer in the eyes of the world as Bushes method has."
Buddy, I could give a Rats rump about what the world thinks of my country.
Find Freedom and democracy anywhere on earth and you can bet your a** the USA had something to do with bring it there.
Did you see the UN applaud Hugo Chaves speech? That is the world body for you! Lucky I am not president. Those countries need a spaking. Cut of USA $$$$$ for a year or so, and see if the world figures out that they should be appauding the USA, not it's marxist enemies.
RE: "I never during that time had the same absolute lack of respect for the USA as I do now."
You may not respect the USA, but I bet your Father or Grandfather did
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 amCause we probalbly saved (or kicked) their a** in WW2.
Clinton's got Fox boxed in, thanks to the internet and his prosecutorial questioning of Chris Wallace, who deserved it. If Fox airs the entire piece it would be quite devastating. If they do not air the whole piece, it shows that Fox is willfully disingenuous. Either way, Clinton wins. He realized very quickly he was being set up and decided to break the tables and fine china and dare Fox to stop the cameras. Very savvy and very quick thinking.
Wallace betrayed himself ethically as a journalist. Clinton had been led to believe the central topic was to be his humanitarian work. If Wallace wanted a free-form, open-ended interview, he just should have told Clinton that during scheduling and Clinton could have agreed to it or declined. No problem. What pissed off Clinton was the false pretense that was not revealed by Wallace until the cameras were rolling. Wallace should be fired, but with Fox, he will probably be promoted. As a professional journalist myself, I sincerely beg people like Chris Wallace to quit their jobs and take up organic farming or work in a DDT factory in Bangladesh. I took a whole semester in journalism ethics which cost me $1,000 for just that class and the professor essentially told me not to do what Chris Wallace did to any person you interview for a story. Thanks Chris Wallace for rubbing our whole g.d. profession into the depths of the fetid hog slop. All of us who try very hard to do our job as journalists to the highest ethical standards really appreciate it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 am"The Clinton Wars" Excerpts: How the GOP Undercut Clinton's Efforts to Fight Terrorism
"...that details how the Republican Congress and former FBI Director Louis Freeh (who allied himself with the anti-Clinton forces) undercut Clinton's efforts to fight terrorism. The excerpt also touches upon how after the impeachment trial, pseudo-scandal mongering by the media -- including the New York Times -- helped deflect public attention from President Clinton's struggle with terrorism."
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 amWhat would the neocons do without Bill to blame for EVERYTHING??
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 amTerrorist Attacks Bill Clinton Stopped
Just for the record, under Richard Clarke's leadership as Czar of Counterterrorism:.
· CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy,
and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
· Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
· Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through
preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
· Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
· Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first WTC bombing even though it
occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively - and successfully
- to stop future terrorist attacks.
· Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats
and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
· Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911)
The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
· Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding.
It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
· Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking
of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
· Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
· Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
· Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
· Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
· Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism:
"Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
· Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as
he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. [The same Bremer that lost 8 billion in Iraq]
· Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 amhaving given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration
to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
Just remember, stop jawboning and make sure that everyone you know votes Democratic this time around. Put out extra effort, donate your hard earned money to these causes, otherwise you will have much more of this stuff, you will have a draft and a broken country and wars on at least three fronts, a national debt like you won't believe and a Big Brother of a government.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 am#127,
Well, please enlighten us, Dick....To whom is Clinton referring? Who criticized him for paying too much attention to Bin Laden? Bill didn't give us a name, so maybe you can....
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 amA lot of what's written here sounds like you're the victim and Clinton is doing your work for you. Big deal. The Democrats and the Liberals and the press and the media have been playing the victim, as in "Poor me!", for much too long. First, they let the Republicans mount an attack on them and their positions or do something unjust like imprisoning at AP employee or swiftboating Kerry. Then they act surprised at the "bad" Republicans for doing this. Then they protest, calling what the Republicans do "despicable" or "dirty tricks" or "untrue" or, worse yet, as you do, "unfair". All of which only makes you, the press and your organization look even more like victims. And so you dig your own fate. I also sense that, when you do this and ring your hands, you are hoping the Republicans will receive their comeuppance from some mysterious force, and that they will self-destruct of their own accord. The Democrats have been out of power for so long they're afraid to lose any handhold they have, and the press and media have become so used to truckling to the Administration, it is almost a lost battle. It is important to recognize that, if you are ever to restore any semblance of dignity you have, you need to vote for the Democrats this time around, nevertheless, to balance the Republicans who have lived up to Lord Acton's maxim: "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely." Sure the Democrats are scared, timid, afraid to speak out. But act like a victim, end up like one. So go out and hit Administration hard with every legal weapon you have and then and vote for a Democrat, no matter how weak, get your friends to vote Democratically, and act to help others do the same.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 am#131 Christ neocon...read something!!! Um, other than O'Reilley.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 amFace it neocon, you got nothin'.
You can't answer as to why your mumbling, bumbling Decider hasn't caught bin Ladne in 6 loooooooooooong year.
Instead, you sit there beating it like it owes you money over cigars and blue dresses.
Run Along Junior, you're out matched. Go back to FREEPERLAND with the rest of the self abusing morons.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 am# 100- Please tell me what question you are saying President Clinton did not answer. And any anger he displayed was warranted by the weaselly Mr.Wallace. President Clinton called him on his crap, and wouldn't let him ride roughshod all over him, while he just sat there. We all know the Righties like their targets to be silent, or absent, from the 'CONversation, that way, they have no need to concern themselves with petty little details, like TELLING THE TRUTH!! It's much easier to get away with your lies, if no one is there to point them out. Bill Clinton is an expert on Right Wing tactics. He knew what to expect, and he was prepared for it. Trolls are just furious because he is SO damn good, and they know it. If you want a 'pissy, angry, insistant raging, fit having maniac', just look at GWB. Witness his latest meltdown in the Rose Garden. He was wiggin' out! Poor thing. But we know you will never have a decent thing to say about President Clinton, we are used to it, after all these years. But come November, it is possible that you will have a whole bunch of new things to focus on, and will be able to let go of your unhealthy obsession. And I would be pretty damn happy, myself. We shall see...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 amYou may not respect the USA, but I bet your Father or Grandfather did
Cause we probalbly saved (or kicked) their a** in WW2.
Comment by neocon
And what would you think of a President that called our constitution a goddamn piece of paper? I think I would not respect such a person.
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Well, please enlighten us, Dick….To whom is Clinton referring? Who criticized him for paying too much attention to Bin Laden? Bill didn’t give us a name, so maybe you can….
Comment by Exley
Scroll back =)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 amAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. — H. L. Mencken
The light is always brightest before it burns out. Remember the salad days when President Clinton was at the helm? The economy was kicking, the world didn't hate us quite so much, and the neocon bedroom peepers were purple with rage over the demise of "family values." But now.... Oh, dear, now, after he fooled us once, shame on him, and then we got fooled again, and now that our military and National Guard---troops and equipment---are stretched to the breaking point, my friends, we have finally and perhaps irrevocably made the pie higher.
Let's not forget that the millions, no, billions, make that trillions of tax dollars being or to be spent on this administration's "foreign policy exercises" in Iraq, etc., are not just disappearing into thin air; someone is collecting all that money, and we're not talking mere Bill Gates-wealth. We're talking nation-changing wealth. Global market-control wealth. War is a money maker and I can't fathom any other reason why the current administration would concoct a reason to go to war as it did. I can't even pretend to be as well-informed as your garden variety news junkie, but I know enough to follow the money. Can you say Halliburton?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:07 amAnswering 121 LordStarFyre:
"So, Where is bin Laden? Since you think you folks are so qualified to lead, why haven’t you caught him yet? Answer that question."
I will gladly answer it. Let use lib logic, maybe Bush is taking the Libs advice and treating him like you wanted Saddam treated under the U.N. brillient sanctions. UBL is now: isolated, his solider forces depleted by 70%, cut-off from the rest of the world, and has no communications. Then why should we invade his cave???
Look to put it simply the if UBL was killed tomorrow, Murtha, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, and their ilk would say "We got him... We won the war on terror...UBL is dead! Let us bring all our troops home tomorrow."
The war on terror is not catching UBL... Catching him today might be the worst play we could make,(it would not shock me if we know exactly what hole he is living in.) Here is hoping UBL is the dead vermin in the War on Terrror... That is "if" he is not already dead.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 am"Did you see the UN applaud Hugo Chaves [sic] speech? That is the world body for you! Lucky I am not president. Those countries need a spaking. [sic] Cut of USA $$$$$ for a year or so, and see if the world figures out that they should be appauding [sic] the USA, not it’s [sic] marxist enemies." -- neocon.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 am---
I don't recall Mr. Chavez asking the US for any money. You and I are shipping Venezuela more hard dollars than they know what to do with every time we fill up our Ford F-350s, SUVs and Hummers. Revenge is a dish best served cold ... with lots of oil on the side.
Responding to #131: "Clinton did nothing to prevent any major world problem." Maybe your Fox News failed to report that Clinton facilitated peace in Northern Ireland; rallied NATO to halt the ethnic slaughter perpetrated by Slobodan Milosovic; brought Isreal and the Palestinians closer to peace than anytime in the previous 20 years.
Let's do a recall of George Bush's major accomplishments:
1. Got a surveillence plan shot down by the Chinese;
2. Oops...North Korea has nukes and they are firing missles into the Pacific Ocean;
3. Iran is racing to get nukes and Bush is as effective as Clinton was with North Korea;
4. Iraq is a fiasco;
5. The Taliban are resurgent in Afghanistan;
6. Hezbolla is in its ascendence...
Come on! Getting Mohmar Qadaffi to step off the nuke stage, thanks to the hard work of British diplomats, does not even make Bush adequate.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 amCome back, Bill. All is forgiven.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 amIt is just and fitting that Fox's ass got mauled by the former President of this country.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 amWeenies.
Director Louis Freeh (who allied himself with the anti-Clinton forces) undercut Clinton’s efforts to fight terrorism.
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Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first WTC bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office.
Bush II administration did try to blame the Clinton administration for the second WTC bombing even though it occured some 8 months after Clinton left office.
Bush Jr has no class, all hat and no cattle.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:15 amJeremy #11
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:16 amClinton is NOT term limited out of the office of president. The only limit is on two ELECTED terms. He is perfectly elligible to run for vice president and to serve as president if he occupies the office as the replacement for a disabled, dead or resigned president. And he could do that MORE THAN ONCE! So, running as vice president is perfectly OK and serving as president from the office of vice president is perfectly OK and replacing the president is, again, perfectly OK. Gee, I wonder how many politicians would be willing to resign as president just to let him be president again????
Heh.
I got deleted on the Clinton thread.
Personal best...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 amBTW since we are discussing CATCHING terrorists who comitted acts of terrorism...when are the repugs gonna catch the Anthrax letter "bombers"? After all it has been FIVE loooooong years after somebody mailed letters to members of the US congress...and NOBODY has been caught , just like Osama after 9-11. Running free, and the Idiot in Chief does not think about that much either.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:18 am“Did you see the UN applaud Hugo Chaves [sic] speech? That is the world body for you!
They were laughing because he was making fun of Bush and his holy roller rants, "God speaks thru me, Good vs Evil, God told me to attack Afghansitan and I did"
Really, has anyone here ever talked to God?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:18 amAnswering 121 LordStarFyre:
“So, Where is bin Laden? Since you think you folks are so qualified to lead, why haven’t you caught him yet? Answer that question.â€
I will gladly answer it. Let use lib logic, maybe Bush is taking the Libs advice and treating him like you wanted Saddam treated under the U.N. brillient sanctions. UBL is now: isolated, his solider forces depleted by 70%, cut-off from the rest of the world, and has no communications. Then why should we invade his cave???
Look to put it simply the if UBL was killed tomorrow, Murtha, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, and their ilk would say “We got him… We won the war on terror…UBL is dead! Let us bring all our troops home tomorrow.â€
The war on terror is not catching UBL… Catching him today might be the worst play we could make,(it would not shock me if we know exactly what hole he is living in.) Here is hoping UBL is the dead vermin in the War on Terrror… That is “if†he is not already dead.
Comment by neocon — September 23, 2006 @ 1:10 am"
That's the best you can do?
After all your chest beating, that's it?
A bunch of drooled Limbaughisms, but as usual no substance.
Face it, Bush had had 6 long years to accomplish this, and he has failed miserably. Failed!
How many corners have we supposedly turned, according to bush?
Sorry neocon, thanks for playing, but your non-answer answer was as limp and flacid as your artificial CIC.
Again, run along buttercup, you've got nothin'
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 amHeh.
I got deleted on the Clinton thread.
Personal best…Comment by Zooey
Bad Zoo Bad! =8^]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 am#142,
Am I missing something, Dick? I don't see anywhere where anyone identified these mysterious people whom Bill bizarrely claims condemned him to being TOO focused on Bin Laden back in the 90s....Bill throws this claim out there but provides no examples...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 amThese despicable neocons trying to blame President Clinton for something that happened on Bush's watch make me sick. President Clinton was the absolute best president that this country has had in my lifetime, and I have been here from Kennedy on. He was thought highly of in the world, Bush is and has been nothing but a failure and embarassment. We are diminished in the world, thanks to Bush. Bush acts like he thinks he is a combination of Tarzan crossed with a cowboy, but he really looks like a pathetically spoiled little boy whose brain has been destroyed by too much booze and coke. A pathetic embarassment, and his polls reflect that. We need to get rid of his help in this important election, and keep spoiled boy in a corner where he can't do anymore damage to the classroom, so don't forget to vote out Republican encumbents in this election coming up. President Clinton, I think that you worked really hard for your country and cared about ALL of the American people, and I am glad you are strongly defending yourself. These jealous neocons have put you down for too long. Please stop being so friendly to this current Administration, and start helping your party more. You don't need them, and they still blame you because like you said : It's the only card they have got. By the way, where is Bin Laden now? Safe somewhere, courtesy of Bush and Co.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 amHere is my video response to Chris Wallace:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBW9AVgyjFI
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:21 am#151-Zooey- You GO Girl!! ( what did you say?) Musta been 'guuuuud'! ;)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 am#152,
Congratulations, Zooey...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 amHey, Douglas Watts, (#132)
Dude are you serious?
"his (Clintons) prosecutorial questioning of Chris Wallace...If Fox airs the entire piece it would be quite devastating."
Wallace was doing the Questioning here, not Clinton!
"Either way, Clinton wins."
In NO way does Clinton win on this.
"I took a whole semester in journalism ethics which cost me $1,000 for just that class "
Journalistic Ethics???? HA HA HA HA ...my side it hurts...HA HA.
Did Dan Rather take that class????
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:26 amI hope faux news decides to interview more democrats one on one again. It must have been very hard for Wallace to talk to someone other than Ann Coulter. Faux needs to start interviewing real Americans and discover that not everyone in this country is a hateful reich-wing loon. Oh, but wait, they have Alan Colmes as their liberal representation.
Excuse me, I have to drive an ax through my tv.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:26 amZooey- You GO Girl!! ( what did you say?) Musta been ‘guuuuud’! ;)
Comment by CyraBrown
Let me put it this way, Miss Cyra: Exley's manhood remains publicly intact -- for now.
0:-)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 amNeocon, you are so lame.
So you have to harken back to WW2 to get the respect from the world that you seem to think you deserve. Sorry bud, torturers do not deserve respect.
I am amazed at how small your vision is. Yep my father/grandfather did respect the US and your participation in the second world war. But... this is a different time bud, the US was in WW2 fighting the type of regime THAT YOU HAVE BECOME. You deserved respect from the world then, now.. not so much.
As for your freedom you wouldnt know freedom if it came up and bit you on the ass.
ttul
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 amBalzar
#163,
Oooo, Zooey, you little minx!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 amOkay, LordStarFyre, why did you avoid my one question? What country do you live in?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:32 am#133
#
“The Clinton Wars†Excerpts: How the GOP Undercut Clinton’s Efforts to Fight Terrorism
“…that details how the Republican Congress and former FBI Director Louis Freeh (who allied himself with the anti-Clinton forces) undercut Clinton’s efforts to fight terrorism. The excerpt also touches upon how after the impeachment trial, pseudo-scandal mongering by the media — including the New York Times — helped deflect public attention from President Clinton’s struggle with terrorism.â€
Comment by Dick — September 23, 2006 @ 12:57 am
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 am"Okay, LordStarFyre, why did you avoid my one question? What country do you live in?"
Sorry, I meant Balzar.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:37 amPatriotic Lefties, there will be social freedom for all and social justice. Join us and we’ll take care of America’s needs!
Comment by Red Wolf
Now that Is a good idea Red Wolf, Kudos!
Later folks! and have a great evening, all of you!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:39 amI didnt avoid your question neocon, I just didnt notice it. I am Canadian.
ttul
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:41 amNeocon? I live right here in the country of my Birth.
That being, the US.
The Country that used to have a Constitution that was respected by it's Leaders (unlike what you Conservatives have shown. What was it bush called it "a god damned piece of paper") A Healthy respect of Civil Liberties (Unlike what you Conservatives have shown, illegal warrantless wire tapping, reading private mail, etc)
And, under our last Truly ELECTED President (President Clinton) a country that wasn't almost Internationally hated because of the bumbling missteps of the biggest Village Idiot to ever have held the reigns of power (pResident bush).
Don't even get me started about the American economy that Dumbya and that snarling Oil Guy has destroyed....
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:41 amNeocon,
While the US did play a major hand in WWII, we did come late to the party. Like we also did in WWI. Additionally, it was the Russian Army and the losses that the Germans suffered on the Soviet front that was responsible for the defeat of the European Axis more so than anything the US did. Normandy gets a lot of well deserved attention, but it was the battles on the unforgiving Steppes that did the Germans in during the war.
One more thing. The US had a terrible habit of installing right-wing dictators in the developing world to counter communism during the Cold War. The value and merits of this action is debatable; but it doesn't change the fact that often we have chosen to support dictators over freedom for other countries.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:41 amWe neutralize you on Social and econimc issues seince we’re anti-Globalist.
Umm why do you guys think progressives are 'Globalists' from what I have seen they are NOT 'globalists'
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:44 amThats an Ivey League Elitist Ideology and not one that I follow.
In fact I see the UN, IMF, and World Bank as an extension of the Elitist Globalists. I am a working man, like many of you.
This is bad.
Clinton will look like he lost his cool after a little bit of questioning. You've got to always look calm and in control to play this game. No emotions.
To me, it doesn't look like Clinton gave Wallace a beating. I think we are excited because it's the first time a Dem said something strongly.
Because we are desperate for someone to cut through the truckloads of crap that we have been getting for years from Bush and the media, a little breakthrough feels like a huge breakthrough.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:45 am#163- Zooey- Oh My! With your 'rapier wit', and quick mind, he was surely teetering on a precipice that was crumbling under his feet. Talk about a 'close one'. Brings to mind "Hedwig and the Angry Inch". ;)
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:50 amLook, this Liberal vs Conservative thing is pretty simple. We both look at the same problem and see two different opposite solutions.
The problem is that Liberals are goody goody about things, you want to talk and negotionate, through 17 resolutions on Iraq and then... have another resolution. There MUST be a time for action. You have an over optomist view on your enemies good will and you think that if you are nice to them they will not want to kill you. Guess what... WE ARE ALREADY NICE TO THEM... then they attacked us.
I truly wish I could live your Liberal La-La land, where Islamofascist did not want to kill me because I would not:
- slit the throat of my daugher if she was rapped
- force my wife under a veil, because here looks were tool of the devil.
-not convert to islam (not only Islam but their "fundamentalist view of it"
-be willing to kill other infidels.
-or basically, because I reject reverting to the 10 century.
You can not negotiate with an enemy when his starting point in the negotiation is your death.
Peace follows victory... plain and simple.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:51 amGO CLINTON and he is so right, they are all up in arms over Murdoch supporting the climate change stuff, those wingnuts are in a tailspin over it.
Wallace has to show them all what a man he is and how he isn't like his Dad, another one they can't stand....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Wingnuttery is for clowns....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:55 amNeocon?
That sounds like one of the platitudes that Hitler used to spew.
Oh well, birds of a feather...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 ambeefeater: "Bill [Clinton], who were you so busy doing?"
Perhaps he was balancing the federal budget, trying to secure a comprehensive peace between Israel and the Palestinians, or seeing to it that Yugoslavia would have a peaceful transition as war criminal Slobodan Milosevic fell from power.
The better question is, what were you so busy doing back in 2000 -- that is, besides going apoplectic over some element of your own BS that you and your right-wing friends talked yourselves into believing?
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:58 amPeace follows victory… plain and simple.
Comment by neocon
Come november son, Come november.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 amBalzar
"I didnt avoid your question neocon, I just didnt notice it. I am Canadian."
Canada, eh, Congrats on living in the safest country on the planet.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 amGoodnight all!
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:04 amProgressives aren’t Nationalist since you guys belove in all that peace and one world junk. We belive in the natural order of the universe, the Predator and the pray!
Comment by Red+Wolf — September 23, 2006 @ 1:51 am
Here's a thought...Learn to spell first. Then you can conquer the world.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:07 amneocon: "Peace follows victory… plain and simple."
Just like stupid follows ignorant.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:07 amThe neocon trolls blocked Clinton because they needed someone who would let them sell-out our nation, rob us blind while they grossly enriched themselves. They couldn't do that with Clinton stopping them.
They lie like motherf*ckers. They had to wait and find a time to get MITRE employed.
We currently have no national defense. Not with foreigners taking our jobs inside and outside our nation and Israel handling our phones whereby they collect all of our personal information. This is a bigger problem than bin Laden. Isrealis are breaking us financially working within this administration and within this nation on all levels.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 am"... kravenous"...?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 amWhat's "kravenous"? Is that some French Tunisian slur or something?
Red+Wolf, ah, that's nice.
So do you guys walk around "Zieg Heiling" each other, all dressed up in those nifty S&M Uniforms?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:13 amUnfortunately the meaning of Nationalist to you guys usually means this or this.
You wingnuts are very dangerous...
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 amProgressives aren’t Nationalist since you guys belove in all that peace and one world junk. We belive in the natural order of the universe, the Predator and the pray!
Comment by Red+Wolf — September 23, 2006 @ 1:51 am
All the neocon wolves have to go:
Wolf Blitzer - neocon mouth
Paul Wolfowitz - architect of Iraq war for Israel now at World Bank spending our money
Stuart Wolff - robbed teachers of pension and wrote into his company articles that when he robs hundreds of millions from stockholders his attorney's fees will be paid by stockholders and he'll do no prison time for treason
All neocon Wolves need their asses in prison or exiled.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:17 amGosh, How I miss him as President. I HATE fox so I won't be able to watch it, so thanks for the transcript.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:25 amReminds me of the old days, when we used to elect smart people.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:29 amreply to # 127 -
Could it have been the neocon Israeli-lover Paul Wolfowitz? He headed the DoD and now spends our money on killing Iraqis as head of Washington-based World Bank. Just a guess.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:29 amInteresting to note that neither Clinton nor Bush wanted that blowjob of a movie Path to 9/11 aired. Both considered it propaganda and misinformation. Who wanted it aired? Only the pro-Isreali neocon trolls.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:32 amThe neocon trolls blow you before they f*ck you. That's why neither Clinton nor Bush wanted Path to 9/11 aired.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 amclinton rocks! and how refreshing! cheney and the neocons and their frontman w don't hold a candle to clinton. intelligence, policy, diplomacy, no comparrison. sorry republican douchebags, your leaders and ideas are utter failures. hopefully the dems will get subpoena power come january and have the balls to agressively bust these mofo's chops. i'm not counting on it, but a boy can dream right?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:43 amI heard that the Yanks are going to build a fence to keep the Canadians out =))) I am for that as long as it keeps yanks down there, we dont want them up here.
Nice ... and the american taxpayer gets stuck with the tab.
Haha you guys are priceless.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 amIt was clear that Chris Wallace had set up a trap for Bill Clinton and shamelessly acted as a lapdog and hatchet man for Fox and the Bush Administration. Smirking and laughing, Chris obviously thought that he did a good job, but he merely unmasked himself as a paid political propagandist disguised as a broadcast journalist. I wonder what his father Mike Wallace thinks about his son for tricking Mr. Clinton. Shame on you, Mister Chris Wallace!
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:48 amI have seen Bill Clinton speak in person, he is commanding, intelligent and like someone said previously "a rock star".
This crushing of Chris Wallace was abosolutely beautiful!! I can't WAIT to see it on television! When you have a man who comes from the background he has and has WORKED his way to where he got, instead of relying on daddy's money...THAT is the true American Dream.
Bill you are a true hero in my eyes, and I hope you continue with your humanitarian efforts. I also hope that w/ the next president whether it be Repug or Democrat - please work w/ them to help them get our country back to the way it should be.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:57 amClinton does something that our current President could never do: he admits his failure to solve the problem of Bin Laden. He also lists the steps he took to do it, and apparatus he left to the next administration to accomplish that goal. In the lion's den, under those lights. In an unscripted interview, faced with questions like that, how would President Bush have fared? Who is this half-man Chris Wallace?
If you're going to call up the grand man himself under the pretense of discussing his initiative on global warming, and then start with this nonsense, you deserve to get bitch-slapped.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:14 amDick, the Progressives are Pro UN and sympathize with enemy regimes like Iran.
Actually I think the UN needs to be reformed AND moved to a different geographical location. The brothers of the UN are the IMF and the World bank. As you know Wolfowitz is now heading that 'Paris Club' Worldbank and well that's never a good thing when Wolfowitz is behind the wheel. So I am not what you would call Pro-UN.
I don't sympathize with enemies. Iran so far is not an enemy has been in compliance with IAEA and the UN and have not attacked the United States nor has war been declared on Iran. I am not for this Iran war because Bush railroaded us into a misguided war and this looks to be another 'courseless' war [Iran] if it does begin. Bush may just be crazy enough to lob some nukes, who knows.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 amwow...so nice to hear a real President speaking. I had almost forgotten what it is like to hear an intelligent and powerful man express himself and hold his own space. People forget that if it weren't for the 22nd amendment he would still be President. Can you just imagine junior Bush debating Clinton? LOL I liked his reminder of how much he really did again OBL. Let's face it, the CIA still didn't know who was behind the Cole, yet he targeted him based on good judgement. And it was the CIA who failed to kill OBL after all. What was Clinton supposed to do, go track down OBL personally? Remember when he sent out the Cruise missiles to kill him, and the Repugs all cried "wag the dog?" Oh yeah...sure...NOW we're really going after OBL, or...actually just who ARE we going after in Iraq? Is Bush really doing anything at all except reducing taxes for the rich and screwing up the Court system? Oh yeah, that's right...he also needs to start Armageddon. Maybe Iran will do the trick...
John
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 amDamn that 22nd Amendment
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 amI so love how quick on his feet Cliinton is. Can you even imagine the shrub thinking fast enough to answer any unscripted question in coherent english with coherent thoughts? Besides which no good answers are available to the present administration. God I miss Clinton.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 amBush is the asshole who did nothing to really fight terrorism. Instead they used it to trick us into a war. Bush and Cheney ignored all the warnings and did nothing....they did nothing....that is what matters. Bush, Cheney try to blame Clinton when the world know perfectly well the right wing financed the conspiracy to take Clinton down for his personal affair. For two years the right wing scum enthralled the country is their bullshit. I am sick of these lying bastards.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 amPeople like beefeater swallow the neocon planted lie that Bush had 8 years to catch Bin Laden when he conveniently forgot that it was a Republican controlled Congress who dogged him at every step and denied for political reasons every security measure he tried to bring forth. Measures they so quickly support when one of their own got "elected". What a bunch of hypocritical idiots!
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 amIs Bush really doing anything at all except reducing taxes for the rich and screwing up the Court system? Oh yeah, that’s right…he also needs to start Armageddon. Maybe Iran will do the trick…
They are indebting Iraq to the IMF and Worldbank at the expense of your tax dollars..the same will go for Iran if Bush decides to attack it, Lebanon will also likely get some 'conditional' loans and also indebt it up to it's eyeballs. Naw Bush doesn't really want armageddon, his cronies would never allow him to destroy the world, no profits when all the people have sunk to hell our wafted off into heaven
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 amWe were all a lot better off with Bill Clinton in charge than
we have been under Bush.
We did not inspire worldwide hatred towards us, under Clinton.
Chris Wallace set Clinton up.
Chris Wallace is a jerk, Clinton was right to be annoyed.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 amSome years back, when Chris Wallace was at NBC, he got annoyed at a member of the TV crew who kept calling him "Chris," and told the crew member "Call me Mr. Wallace." The crew member shot back, "Mr. Wallace works at CBS."
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:41 amHis attempted sandbagging of a former President shows that there's still only one Mr. Wallace, and he's not on Fox.
Just wait Lefties when The american Nationalist-Liberatarian Front emerges, you’ll miss the days of Neocaons and Religious Right as your opponents. We neutralize you on Social and econimc issues seince we’re anti-Globalist. The difference is we’re going to take care of America first and tell the rest of the world go screw off!
Where can I get some reading material on this ANLF, is there like a website or free online books?
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:01 amBTW I have never called myself a 'leftie', you might wanna chill on that 'grouping' thing I don't do 'groups' but am interested in your Ideas and how you can make this work, Seems you guys, to me, have left out some planning;
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Declare war on Iran.
Obliterate, from high altitude and long distance, all known Iranian military assets, all Iranian government buildings, all Iranian mosques and madrassahs, and the residences of all Iranian leaders, imams, clerics, and government officials. Hit these targets when they are most likely to be occupied (e.g., mosques during the day and residences at night). Do not send soldiers in on foot, except as necessary to identify targets or gather intelligence. We do not need to send soldiers in on foot to fight, and it would be immoral to do so. We have many big missiles, fast planes, and good bombs, and we should use these liberally while building bigger, faster, and better ones. (As to innocent non-Americans, such as Iranian children, who would be killed in such a campaign, they are not properly the concern of our government.
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I'm guessing you have military experience in ordinance and planning? Logistics of fuel, pilots, aircraft, carriers etc etc
FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS ITS BEEN SO INTERESTING TO SEE WHITES FIGHTING WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE TIME (I WASN'T HERE FOR MCCARTHY ETAL). WHITE HUMANITARIAN AND INCLUSIVE DEMOCRATS ARE AT A LOST. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH A VITRUL UNIFIED HATEFUL GROUP OF WHITE POWER IN THIS COUNTRY.
IT’S FUNNY TO ME, BECAUSE FOR SO LONG BLACKS AND OTHER GROUPS HAD BEEN THE OPPONENT. WE ARE USED TO WHITE AMERICA'S HATE. WE KNOW HOW TO FIGHT BACK.
SO FINALLY CLINTON HAS HAD ENOUGH OF ROVE'S B@LLSH!T. I HAD ENOUGH OF IT AS I WATCHED THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO HIS FIRST INAGURATION ADDRESS IN '92.
WE TRULY MAY SEE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS, IF THINGS KEEP SPIRALING DOWNWARD.
FOX, HANNITY, COULTER, O'RIELLY, LIMBAUGH ARE A MICROCOSIM OF OLD FASHION MAIN STREAM WHITE AMERICA BOTH HISTORICALLY AND TODAY. IT IS A MALIGNANT GROUP OF HUMAN BEINGS CAPABLE OF PURE EVIL, FROM GENOCIDE, SLAVERY, BIGOTRY, ETC.
IT HAS TERMED A NEW LABEL "LIBERALS" OR "LEFTISTS" AND IT IS USING OLD HATE TACTICS TO WAGE A WAR HERE IN AMERICA AGAINST FELLOW WHITE AMERICANS.
HILLARY, BILL, AL, KERRY, ETC. ARE IN A WAR. I HOPE THEY REALIZE THAT THEY ARE FACING A NATION OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE NATURALLY PREDISPOSED TO HATE.
YET THEY STILL HAVE ONE WEAKNESS. THEY SEEM TO STILL COWAR FROM AN OUTRIGHT LABEL OF BEING A RACIST. NONE OF THEIR LEADERS HAVE STOOD UP TO IMPUNIZE THAT LABEL -"I'M A RACIST AND I'M PROUD!" -SO, THE DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, MODERATES, AND ALL OTHER GOOD LOVING PEOPLE MUST DISCLOSE ANY FACTS THEY HAVE THAT SHOW THIS HOMOGENOUS PARTY TO BE WHAT WE KNOW IT TO BE. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THEM TO ABANDON THE NATIONAL WHITE PRIDE THAT IS THE GOP.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE LOWEST POINTS IN THIS NATIONS HISTORY. WE HAVE A MURDEROUS COWARD IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAS THREATENED TO USE NUKES, AND HAS HIS FINGER ON THE BUTTON. ONE TERRORIST ATTACK AWAY FROM LAUNCHING NUCLEAR WEAPONS AGAINST WEAKER COUNTRIES.
I AM SO ASHAMED OF VIRTUALLY EVERY GOPER I SEE.
ON THIS DAY, MAY GOD BLESS THIS NATION ESPECIALLY.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:13 amAre you some of you people idiots?
Clinton lied to the American people under oath. He's just as despicable as Bush and his idiot cronies.
What the hell has happened to this country. We have extremists running it and we have other extremists wanting more liars in charge.
I wish there was no such thing as left wingers or right wingers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 am? Clinton claims “And yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this. I think that’s strange.†WTF? Who had 3 times as much time? 8 years vs 8 months? Bill, who were you so busy doing?
Comment by beefeater — September 22, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
Bush has not had 8 months to find an kill Bin Laden, he has had over six years. He wasn't trying to do anything about Bin Laden in early 2001, even though he had Richard Clarke acting like a "man with his hair on fire" about al Quaeda. And he hasn't done much to find bin Laden since then, unless you count Tora Bora.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 amYes, Clinton lied but he did not lie about war and killing innocent people for no reason! Bush has lied and lied, not about a blue dress but about the deaths of 3,000 soldiers, 100,000 iraq's, and a war that we now know had no cause. Suffer the innocent children, you are a bastard!
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 amBush has lied to the american people under oath as a president.! He has done more damage to our world then any other president in history!
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:52 amAt least Chris Wallace got one thing right. He called Bill Clinton 'sir'.
Actually he did something else, too. He let Bill Clinton go rings around him and show him up for what he truly is...daddy's boy in the newsroom.
There's another daddy's boy but his term of office can't come to an end too quickly for most Americans.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:00 amBush lied and many people died. Clinton wanted to get Bin laden. but he did not torture
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 am#228 "I’m guessing you have military experience in ordinance and planning? Logistics of fuel, pilots, aircraft, carriers etc etc"
Actually, he does suggest the only plan that might actually work, which is genocide (well, killing off at least 10% of the population). That wolf guy seems kinda genocidal to me.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 amReading more closely, Red Wolf seems to have many of the signs of a sociopath. Hence I haven't responded to him.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:10 amCan Clinton explain then, why he let bin Laden go when he had him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk
Perhaps he was, erm, busy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMwizREAsc
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 am#230
While I groaned a bit when someone said Clinton had integrity (in most things yes, but he's certainly shown some shortcomings), the sad truth is he's by far the most effective president we've had in several decades (certainly longer than I've been alive).
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:14 amNOW THAT SHOULD BE ON PAY PER VIEW -- Nice to see a Smart DEM with BIG BALLS. THANKS BILL
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:15 amYou cannot compare lying about a personal matter to takinking the world to war! Bush has surpassed shock. He needs to resign just like Nixon.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:18 amPersonally I didnt like Clinton (voted for him in 1992, Libertarian 96,00,Kerry 04 )However personally and professionally Bush couldnt carry this man's Jock Strap literally and metaphysically. Sad to say the 'exhaler of the cannibus' did more to protect America than the Radical Neoconservitive Chickenshits (RNC) and Genuinely Obtuse Profiteers(GOP) combined. Jeffersonian Democracy died Nov 1963. "Fascism will come to American with the Cross wrapped in Old Glory" Sinclair Lewis Orwell predicted this shit 70 years ago.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:20 amRead the fox interview with Clinton and Chris Whallace! Clinton kicked his ass! Triple!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:22 amat least clinton stuck to governing his own country and didnt want to make america the big brother of the world. bush is going to be america's downfall -- the rest of the world (apart from asskissing blair, and he's on his way out too now) is not going to stand for this much longer
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:23 amWhy the hell isn't anyone mentioning cut and run RONALD REAGAN?
After 241 marines were murdered, he simply left, taking no retaliatory action. In fact, our marines were barred by the Reagan Admin from even carrying live rounds.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:23 amBottom line, Clinton did every thing in his power to go after Bin Laden! It is documented. We now suffer a decider, dictator who is really stupid and a bunch of really evil people who are directing him! That is the truth and we are at a turning point in history! Neo cons , see the truth!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 amRed+Wolf is just drunk > he even slurs his writing, so ignore the fascist!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:39 amMy god this man is mad ! We could be on the brink of world war three because we are all sitting by and lettining him do what ever he wants, I.e. torture. We, Americans do not believe in torture! He must be made to resign, NOW!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:40 am"In fact, Rice overlooked al-Qaeda in every public speech she made between Jan. 20, 2001, and Sept. 11, 2001, a Nexis search reveals. Even stretching all the way back to early 1993, when the World Trade Center was first hit, Rice mentions al-Qaeda not a single time in any speech, article or media interview."
By comparison, she cites Iraq more than 1,000 times from 1993 to 2001."
http://www.antiwar.com/sperry/?articleid=9705
The truth is, and I'd hope Clinton and other would point it out that the neocons had a good day on 9/11, they got their new pearl harbor so that the agenda could be started... their own words for christ sake. Own words.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:12 amSince atleast 1998 the neocons wanted Clinton to do something about Iraq:
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23024&hd=0&size=1&l=e
Another good read:
A History of Clinton, Bush, and Terrorism
http://contentoverpresentation.blogspot.com/2005/01/history-of-clinton-bush-and-terrorism.html
One of the many entries:
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:16 amJanuary 2001: Outgoing Clinton officials say "The Bush team thinks we're obsessed with terrorism".
The Fox Busheviks flip out on TV when the are challenged. Same reaction by FOX shills when Wes Clark hit them back - that pretend giggling. One good thing - Cheney watches FOX exclusively - hope he sees it a seethes.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:17 am9/11 happened on BUSH"s watch. end of story. No matter how Rove(r) tries to spin history, 9/11 was a monumental failure of George Bush's egghead government. A single bullhorn was Bush's response. Now he is wagging a dog since he is runnin scared. And I am on Medicare without health care, disabled in America, a casuality of war.....
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:24 amVote Balance on National Housecleaning Day- thank you.
I would give my FIRST BORN to see someone do this to Bush, without his earpiece, without Rove, without Cheney..He would fold in the first twenty seconds! Clinton rocks!!! The Republicans can never take this from him no matter how much they try. ENVY IS GREEN!!!! I BET bUSH WOULD LEAVE THE STAGE CRYING FOR HIS MAMA!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:29 amAnyone posted this interview on Youtube yet?
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:33 amGO BIG DOG!!!
YEEEEEEAH!!!!
That's MY president!
(and btw.. Happy 60th year,Bill!)
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 amIf you cannot vote Democrat on the day, vote Independent. The Republicans have shown how "Moral" they are with torture, how "Honest" they are with K Street, and how "Responsible" they are with the deficit. Remember, there is no law in America that says you have to vote Republican or Democrat, you can vote for the smaller candidate you like and if enough people do that, you might just end up with a government.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 amOh yeah, and tell me, if they hadn't pushed through a amendment after FDR to restrict how many terms a president could stand for...
Would Bill Clinton be up for his fifth term in 2008? The guy is honestly, very impressive.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:37 am[...] Chris Wallace attempts to spread lies about the buildup to 9/11 by blaming Clinton to his face and Clinton responds in force. Beautiful! Think Progress » FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News Permalink [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:39 amClinton should have said, "You get emails from viewers requesting to ask why I didn't get bin Laden? Prove it. Show me those emails." Wallace got emails alright--from Ailes.
The GOP is in deep trouble if all they have is "It's Clinton's fault" and "Joe Lieberman" to give voters in November.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:07 amExcellent job, Bill! Wallace well deserved it. I can't help but think about Ahmadinejad's interview and how Wallace bullied him. The Iranian showed great tact and finally came up on top. I recommend you watch the original video that aired on Cspan and not the heavily edited Fox one.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:13 amCall it what you will...owned, smacked down, etc. I think this transcript of Clinton came off badly for the ex-Prez. His resorting to anti-NeoCon speak and accusing media bias stings of his wife's "right-wing" conspiracy tripe a few years ago.
If nothing else, we now have a usually steadied man resorting to insults and name-calling rather than deducing logic. It's not that he evades the question, but rather refuses to answer due to Fox apparently being a shill for neocons and conservatives. True or NOT...you're being asked an honest question and you AGREED to go on the show.
Don't feign hurt now because you don't like that line of questioning. True or not...it sounds like you expected this. Point is, Clinton came off badly to the whole world.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:14 am"And you’ve got that little smirk on your face. It looks like you’re so clever…"
Clinton should have smacked that smirk of that punk's face! How did Mike Wallace ever produce such a whiney little smart-ass?
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:30 amOne might think FOX would want Clinton talking full time about his $7 billion dollar project instead of the constant reminders of the failed Bush Middle East policies. Iraq is an abject failure and will be Bush's legacy--that's not Clinton's fault. On September 12, 2001 Bush had the whole world on his side on the "war on terror" it's a shame he took the advice of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and decided instead to make terror a political issue, divide our country, then turn the world against us.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:32 amWhen Chris Wallace began his tenure at Fox “Newsâ€, he wished to reassure his audience that he would be fair and objective. So much for living up to the slogan of being fair and balanced.
Comment by Erroll — September 22, 2006 @ 10:21 pm
Let's keep something in mind: we are all capable of being influenced by our environment. When one works with a certain type every day, what seems "fair and balanced" undergoes little shifts in the direction of our co-workers' point of view. That is as inevitable as wanting to find common ground--any common ground--with our employer. A television journalist wants his stories to be aired and develops an uncanny sense of what will and won't be seen. He reassures himself that HE is fair and balanced, so it is genuinely important to get his stories on the air, if only to balance the out-and-out Republican rip-'n'read of a Brit Hume.
Somehwere inside Chris Wallace, I believe there is probably still a real journalist, struggling to break free.
Someone else mentioned that this seemed like the good old days. I define the "good old days" as being when we thought Dan Quayle was the dumbest person we had ever elected to high office and Spiro Agnew was the crookedest. Those were simple times, children. Quayle sounds like a college debating champion next to Bush; Agnew looks like a petty shop-lifter next to Haliburton Dick.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 amAs we would say shooting eachother up in a videogane:
PWND!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:51 amThe interesting thing to me about Clinton's remarks and the reaction it produces here among bloggers is this:
All the guy did was tell the truth (of what he feels and believes), and pointed an orderly set of facts (which are readily verifiable and documented), and let the viewers see the partisan-mouthpiece shrivel on live tee-vee. He responded with straight-talk and honest indignation about an assault to his record and his character. What the hell is magic or charismatic about that?
Now why can't over Democrats do that?
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:05 amHe should have asked Clinton about the embargo that killed a half million Iraqi children -- the deaths that Madeleine Albright said were "worth it" on 60 Minutes, the deaths that were one of 3 primary motives for the 9/11 attacks.
Bush is a monster, but Clinton has his own body count to answer for. Put them both in orange jumpsuits.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:06 am: ) Owned by clinton.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:15 amTo all you goobers who say that FOX will edit this: whoever said this is the correct transcript anyway? If you look at the longer version it still says "rough transcript." Any monkey can type some Bill Clinton slam dunk text and then later claim that FOX edited the video and played what they wanted to make themselves look good. I'm no Bush apologist but seriously, get a life, people!
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:20 amGo Bill!! Remember when we had a President who was eloquent and intelligent. I long for those days.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:21 amWhen I hear all the current crying and whining about how Hugo Chavez "said bad thing" about President Bush, I remember all the bad things "people" like Chris Wallace had to say about the sitting President Clinton.
Remember? "He's a rapist" "Bill and Hillary are murderers"
George Bush was going to bring honor back to the White House. Let's just look at what we've gotten instead.
Last night's Hannity Radio show brought the first time I heard Hannity go speechless. A caller, just a regular sounding guy, was mad about the way Chavez dissed President Bush. He said "I didn't agree with President Clinton, but I'd never disrespect him, right Sean? Sean..?"
Hannity was busy swallowing his lying tongue.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:25 amInterviewers, please take note: When interviewing former president Clinton, keep in mind that he's smarter than you are.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:28 amChris Wallace is the kind of bullshit son you hope you never have:
Um, wasn’t Chris Wallace the guy who said, on national TV, that his own father - Mike Wallace - was showing signs of senility because the elder Wallace had the stones to criticize th’ Bushwhacker? No matter what else Chris Wallace ever does, he will never make up for the fact that he called his own father senile on national TV. S-C-U-M-B-A-G!
Comment by Dave+von
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:29 amInterviewers, please note: When interviewing former president Clinton, keep in mind that he smarter than you are.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:33 am'Rhoads scholar'
It's for sure you're not a Rhodes scholar, stereotypical drooling amerikan moron.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:34 amWhere is FDR when you need him ?
We need CLINTON for FOUR MORE YEARS
Even my 401K and my Gas tank want me to vote for Bill !!
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:40 amOne thing I don't see in the transcript that Clinton should have brought up was the fact that when he did launch strikes against al-qaeda camps in Afghanistan and Sudan, the Republicans in congress howled. The Repubs said Clinton was just attacking these unimportant nobodies to distract attention away from the *really* important business: the Monica Lewinsky scandal...
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:42 amOne step forward, but still thirty steps behind. Bill is the lesser of two evils but by no means clean as a whistle. Bill's biggest regret is that he allowed himself to service the cause, which led up to 9/11. If it were entirely up to him he wouldn't have been involved at all. None the less he's part of the group and can only push/defend the issue so far. They know this and this is the reason they have openly attacked him. The next/ultimate expendable is the idiot child Bush who is too stupid to realize they'll take him out in a second; when and if necessary, they'll throw him under the bus.
It was the Bush camp that terminated the Cole investigation. John O'Neil was getting too close to the group of patsies who were already trained and plugged into the 9/11 plan. They couldn't risk exposure and they didn't have time to reorganize before the big day. They underestimated O'Neil's effectiveness and singular good-standing with the Yemeni officials. Ambassador Bodine was then instructed to prevent O'Neil from re-entering Yemen to conclude his investigation. Kroll Associates then guided O'Neil to his final position and death at the WTC.
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS, OUTSIDE OF THE BUSH ORGANIZATION AT LARGE, FOX IS THE LARGEST SINGLE MOST THREATENING AND DETRIMENTAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES.
Now, in desperate times, ABC/Disney is trying to bring up the rear and has openly declared themselves of the same ilk. Everyone else, perhaps save Oberman, is just a pathetic whore who'll do anything to keep their jobs and not controvert the corporate message, which is the money stream and the method of payback the Bush administration uses to enlist corporations and others as bed partners.
You want answers about 9/11? Follow the freakin money. That’s all you need to do. How did they enlist so many and why are they still silent? They poisoned them with money. Lot’s of it. Like all the CIA contractors they had spread all over industry, both to assist in stealing money and providing a platform. Where do you think most of the looted Enron booty ended up? It’s the same with AA and UA. They were all infiltrated. It’s all there. Just follow it through.
If you want to put a stop to it then just boycott those corporations who advertise on all the networks. Don't buy their products and you'd be amazed at how fast the world stops turning for this administration.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:43 amHmmm. Bill Clinton said he tried and failed.
And Geroge Bush can't even SEE his own mistakes. It's really a question of character.
Why won't these people WAKE UP???
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:44 amBill Clinton's presidency, hence the US government, was being attacked from within by the right-wing's attempts to overthrow him. The right-wing is responible for interfering, during the 8 years Clinton was president, with the country's ability to handle the terrorist threat by distracting our leaders with made-up scandals and witch-hunts that had nothing to do with the well-being of the nation. They are the real traitors.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:45 amWhy won’t these people WAKE UP???
They are awake, thats the problem ..... they just don't care.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:47 amDuring the Clinton Era, many progressives criticized Clinton for being too centrist, and I was vocally opposed to Clinton's compromising attitude when it came to social programs, labor, and education.
We might be on the verge of seeing a new, improved, and angrier Bill Clinton, thanks to the likes of Chris Wallace and other GOP media pundibots. Frankly, I am happy they tried to ambush him. Bill is now on the offensive.
(I noticed that many of the state-level GOP fundraisers and rallies are closed to the media. WTF?)
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:49 amClinton lied. About a blowjob. Did he lie to the American people about it? Yes. And obviously, a majority of the American people found themselves capable of forgiveness.
Did he lie on the set of Faux News this week? Not one bit.
Now, has Bush lied under oath? Not yet, but that's only because he's avoided being under oath. But he's lied from day one, and will do so under oath if required by a Democrat House or Senate.
Bottom line: Clinton did everything in his power to fight terrorism and get bin Laden. Even the most ardent Bush apologist cannot say the same thing about his boy.
One last thought: There was a time when bin Laden was the central front in the war on terror. Clinton's efforts were aimed at taking him and his network out, as one would surgically remove a tumor. Bush's efforts were much broader and rolled into the messianic belief that he was here to make the Middle East democratic. In that way, he essentially stuck a fork in the tumor and it spread. The cons are right when they say the central front in the war on terror is the middle east....but it wasn't always so and it didn't have to be that way. A quack doctor allowed the cancer to metastasize.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:54 amThe intellectual contrast between Clinton and Bush Jr. is overwhelming. I had forgotten that our country once knew a time when the office of President was reserved for Statesmen.
Mr. Wallace, you got your ass handed to you on a pillow.
Thanks, Think Progress. I appreciate the transcript. I'm sending it to everyone in my address book. It is time to blow the lid off the right wing spin machine, once and for all.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:58 amThis statement below by Clinton should be read by every Repug.
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Statement by President Clinton
The President spoke from the White House on his decision to strike 'terrorist-related facilities'
aug 20 1998
Good afternoon. Today I ordered our armed forces to strike at terrorist-related facilities in Afghanistan and Sudan because of the imminent threat they presented to our national security.
I want to speak with you about the objective of this action and why it was necessary.
Our target was terror. Our mission was clear -- to strike at the network of radical groups affiliated with and funded by Osama bin Laden, perhaps the preeminent organizer and financier of international terrorism in the world today.
The groups associated with him come from diverse places, but share a hatred for democracy, a fanatical glorification of violence, and a horrible distortion of their religion to justify the murder of innocents.
They have made the United States their adversary precisely because of what we stand for and what we stand against.
A few months ago, and again this week, bin Laden publicly vowed to wage a terrorist war against America, saying -- and I quote -- ``We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians. They are all targets.''
Their mission is murder. And their history is bloody.
In recent years, they killed American, Belgian and Pakistani peacekeepers in Somalia. They plotted to assassinate the president of Egypt and the Pope. They planned to bomb six United States 747s over the Pacific.
They bombed the Egyptian embassy in Pakistan. They gunned down German tourists in Egypt. The most recent terrorist events are fresh in our memory. Two weeks ago, 12 Americans and nearly 300 Kenyans and Tanzanians lost their lives. And another 5,000 were wounded when our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were bombed.
There is convincing information from our intelligence community that the bin Laden terrorist network was responsible for these bombings. Based on this information, we have high confidence that these bombings were planned, financed and carried out by the organization bin Laden leads.
America has battled terrorism for many years. Where possible, we've used law enforcement and diplomatic tools to wage the fight. The long arm of American law has reached out around the world and brought to trial those guilty of attacks in New York, in Virginia and in the Pacific.
We have quietly disrupted terrorist groups and foiled their plots. We have isolated countries that practice terrorism. We've worked to build an international coalition against terror. But there have been and will be times when law enforcement and diplomatic tools are simply not enough.
When our very national security is challenged and when we must take extraordinary steps to protect the safety of our citizens. With compelling evidence that the bin Laden network of terrorist groups was planning to mount further attacks against Americans and other freedom-loving people, I decided America must act.
And so this morning, based on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, I ordered our armed forces to take action to counter an immediate threat from the bin Laden network.
Earlier today, the United States carried out simultaneous strikes against terrorist facilities and infrastructure in Afghanistan. Our forces targeted one of the most active terrorist bases in the world. It contained key elements of the bin Laden network's infrastructure and has served as a training camp for literally thousands of terrorists from around the globe.
We have reason to believe that a gathering of key terrorist leaders was to take place there today, thus underscoring the urgency of our actions.
Our forces also attacked a factory in Sudan associated with the bin Laden network. The factory was involved in the production of materials for chemical weapons.
The United States does not take this action lightly. Afghanistan and Sudan have been warned for years to stop harboring and supporting these terrorist groups.
But countries that persistently host terrorists have no right to be safe havens. Let me express my gratitude to our intelligence and law enforcement agencies for their hard, good work. And let me express my pride in our armed forces, who carried out this mission while making every possible effort to minimize the loss of innocent lives.
I want you to understand, I want the world to understand that our actions today were not aimed against Islam, the faith of hundreds of millions of good, peace-loving people all around the world, including the United States. No religion condones the murder of innocent men, women and children. But our actions were aimed at fanatics and killers who wrap murder in the cloak of righteousness, and in so doing, profane the great religion in whose name they claim to act.
My fellow Americans, our battle against terrorism did not begin with the bombing of our embassies in Africa, nor will it end with today's strike.
It will require strength, courage and endurance. We will not yield to this threat. We will meet it no matter how long it may take. This will be a long, ongoing struggle between freedom and fanaticism, between the rule of law and terrorism.
We must be prepared to do all that we can for as long as we must. America is and will remain a target of terrorists precisely because we are leaders; because we act to advance peace, democracy and basic human values; because we're the most open society on earth; and because, as we have shown yet again, we take an uncompromising stand against terrorism.
But of this, I am also sure. The risks from inaction to America and the world would be far greater than action. For that would embolden our enemies, leaving their ability and their willingness to strike us intact.
In this case, we knew before our attack that these groups already had planned further actions against us and others.
I want to reiterate, the United States wants peace, not conflict. We want to lift lives around the world, not take them. We have worked for peace in Bosnia, in Northern Ireland, in Haiti, in the Middle East and elsewhere.
But in this day, no campaign for peace can succeed without a determination to fight terrorism. Let our actions today send this message loud and clear: There are no expendable American targets.
There will be no sanctuary for terrorists. We will defend our people, our interests and our values. We will help people of all faiths, in all parts of the world, who want to live free of fear and violence.
We will persist and we will prevail. Thank you, God bless you and may God bless our country.
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September 23rd, 2006 at 9:09 amSeptember 23rd, 2006 at 9:15 am
It is truly difficult for all of us to remember pre 9/11 America. As everyone should recall that after the first gulf war America had the reputation for taking out targets with a surgical strike that would not incur any colateral damage. Bill's hands were tied because of all the bad press he would have received if any civilian lives would have been lost. I'm sure if he had gone ahead and wiped out Bin Laden along with 30 or 40 non targets the right would have been down his throat for not respecting human life.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:17 amI don´t see how this paints Clinton in a positive light.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:18 amHe failed.
Everything was a charade.
He says he did everything in his power - really? The President of the United States is so limited in what he can do?
The bottom line is, he failed. When was failing ever an excuse for succeeding? When you are Bill Clinton.
I love Bill Clinton! He really smacked down Chris Wallace. I'm surprised he went on FOX News anyway. FOX News is what you watch if you don't want real facts.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:25 amDot, don't be an idiot, 'k?
Look higher in this long discussion and you'll see a list of the accomplishments of the Clinton administration on terrorism.
Failure to achieve one goal is not failure of the whole effort, neither does it make the whole effort a "charade".
Even the Bushistas, back in Clinton's day, admit Clinton was obsessed with finding Osama. Would that that were true today.
And by any measure of the Bush administration, failure IS success.
Put down the KoolAid and back away slowly and you may be okay in time...
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:30 am[...] Think Progress has posted a transcript of Bill Clinton’s interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace. Wallace tries to sand bag Clinton on the Osama Bin Laden question, but Clinton will have none of it. Reading the transcript is refreshing because I think Clinton does a good job clearing the air, and asserting the real record in a firm, forceful and unequivocal way. Clinton is absolutely correct about the political climate of the era towards Osama Bin Laden. As I remember it the “wag the dog” cynicism was the dominant presumption of the day, especially by those who are so actively supportive of Bush and his war policies in the present. Anything Clinton tried to do was immediately presumed to be a smoke screen for Monica Lewinsky. And that is the single biggest thing that angered me about Clinton. He wasted his ability to continue good policy by getting caught up with his interns. It was disheartening because he essentially allowed himself to become a lame duck by this nonsense. However, when it came to foreign affairs Clinton was internationalist and exceptionally competent by ultimately being committed to resolving many of the world’s ills through diplomacy in strategic and effective ways. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:32 am[...] Anyhow, I digress. My original point was to direct you to this transcript of President Clinton going to town on that little ferret from Fox News, Chris Wallace. The interview was originally supposed to give Clinton a chance to talk about his latest work rallying donations for his climate change initiatives. Instead, they ambushed him as the little hyenas at the Murdoch cesspool are wont to do: On Bin Laden: [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:32 amTalk about your bait and switch!
But then, we're not exactly surprised, now are we?
I can't image Fox News letting this air 'as is'. They'll most likely edit these segments.
I could be wrong, and I hope I am .... but.
Yay Bill!
http://www.politicallyoutspoken.com
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:40 amChris Wallace is as impotent an interviewer as he is an intelligent individual. Go home, Wallace - go home! You've just royally shot yourself in the foot by your gross ineptitude in maintaining one iota of integrity for yourself as a reporter and your show. Bravo to Clinton for "clearing the air" about the continuous efforts to deceive the americn public about who is and was responsible for 9/11. How could anyone seriously place any legitimate degree of responsibility to anyone but George W. Bush? Why don't we just begin blaming all of our current mistakes and debacles on Jefferson?? Or Lincoln??
Besides, if that is acceptable behavior(to pass the blame to predecessors), then why have this man sitting in the White House at all?
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:41 amIt's obvious Clinton won the showdown, and all Wallace could do was laugh nervously. I didn't even like Clinton as a President...until Bozo.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:43 amBest. Interview. Ever. The only thing missing was Wallace crying home to mommy (Rumsfeld).
By the way, guys: Dig It
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:45 am#288
The entire purpose of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the system of checks and balances in our government is to LIMIT the power of the various branches including, and especially, the office of President. Sometimes that achieves our goals, sometimes it thwarts them, and other times it prevents huge mistakes on a national scale.
For those of you who were sleeping or doodling during a 5th grade Civics class and now comprise the base electorate of the GOP, this factoid might come as a huge shock. In America, no President can act without permission from the other branches. There are limits to what the President can do on his own initiative.
Even if a President had a free hand to do as he or she wished, there would still be no guarantee that the objectives would be met, as there are other nations, leaders, and international sensitivities to consider before taking military action on someone else's soil. It is also likely that the problem could a bit more than complicated than we first imagined.
(I apologize to my progressive friends for having to explain the obvious, but #288 needed to hear it.)
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:49 amHow great it used to be, having a president who could think on his feet, speak in coherent sentences; who considered problems in depth. Can you imagine the response (both from the person and from his supporters) if bush had been sand-bagged like that??
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:50 amI have been bitching about Democrats going on FOX for a very long time. And I'll never stop. But I guess the next best thing is when the Democrats call "bullshit" on the interviewer. The semi-traitorous Carl Levin did a while back.
Democrats who guest on FOX deserve what they get.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:51 amIt's about time someone put pussbucket Fox News in it's place. So refreshing to hear a real President speak. We need him now, more than ever.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:52 am[...] This morning, I woke up, rolled over, turned on the computer and went back to sleep, and then my cat came over, meowed and headbutt my face to wake me. After feeding Greyback, I checked my email, and I’d received a note with this link, which takes you to a transcript of Bill Clinton’s latest interview with Fox News. It’s good stuff, on the merits of his argument and the passion he displays, like when Bill tells his interviewer that he has a smug smirk, and you half-expect Clinton to say, “I’m going to slap it off your face if you don’t stop smiling.” It’s good to see the former President defend himself from nonsense. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:53 amI would like for Chris Wallace to ask Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld why the Bush administration gave the Taliban $43 million dollars in May, 2001, only four months before 9/11.
Does anyone else remember all the times Clinton tried to talk about terrorism and bin Laden at press conferences, and the journalists shouted back with questions about Lewinsky? I have tapes of some of them!
Way to go, Bill! It's about time someone stood up to these creeps!
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 amClinton is one of the few people I know who can turn an admitted failure into a celebratory parade - he is one of a kind.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:56 amBravo Clinton! That smirky weasel Wallace was elegantly put down. If no editing of the interview, the contrast between the presidential qualitys of Clinton and Bush will be stunningly revealed.
The world respected the U.S., and we were safer, much safer with Clinton as president.
This event has turned out to be a "boomerang interview" for FOX, rather than the sneaky ambush interview planned. I only wish this interview happened nearer election time..
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:57 amBill Clinton was the single most embarrassing president this country has ever had (next to Jimmy Carter maybe). That interview didn't make Chris Wallace look bad, it made Clinton look bad with his ranting and finger pointing. The reason he gets so riled up is because he knows the allegations are true. If he had had the courage to take out Bin Laden when he was handed to him on a silver platter several times 9/11 would never have happened. Now, I know you small minded, non-intellectuals who support him will disagree and will probably blame Bush (who by the way has more balls than Bill and Hillary put together - he is actually out there doing something about the terrorism that threatens to destroy our country rather than making excuses for those who wish to do us harm!), even though Bush was handed this mess by the Clinton administration who had run the show for 8 years and DID NOTHING (except Monica in the oval office - what a disgrace!)
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:57 amWhy does Congress argue a gay marriage amendment when they could pass an amendment repealing the 22nd amendment! Man I miss having that guy in the White House.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:59 amFOX
Lastnight the Dallas FOX affiliate did a story about HANNITY and colmes broadcasting live from SMU. They immediately segwayed into a story about a guy who could bulge his eyeballs out of his sockets at will.
Yeah, Democrats who guest on FOX have had a sreious break with reality.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:00 amSo...#305...even if all you say were true and your head was not planted firmly up Bushes ass, why hasn't Bush done ANYTHING to stop Bin Laden? He has had many years, and he did not and does not have an opposing party with a majority in congress opposing EVERYTHIBG he tries to do.
Clinton tries to fight terrorism - republican congress blocks his every move
Bush flounders at every turn and has done nothing to fight terrorism.
Yeah, you are right, Bush does suck!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:03 amFrom "Clinton Sucks!" "...Bush (who by the way has more balls than Bill and Hillary put together - he is actually out there doing something about the terrorism that threatens to destroy our country rather than making excuses for those who wish to do us harm!..."
Hey, assclown. Pass the Kool-Aid. How does terrorism threaten to destroy our country? Seriously, do you crap nonsense or just speak it? You must really not think much of this country. If you think this country is so weak that a few whack jobs with bombs can bring it down, then you deserve Bush as President. At least when he discusses an issue you don't get lost. Do me a favor and help prevent global warming and hold you breath for a few hours.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:09 amFor those of you wondering who was fighting Clinton...take a gander
"You can support the troops but not the president."
---Rep Tom Delay (R-TX),
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
---Joe Scarborough (R-FL),
"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
---Sen Rick Santorum (R-PA).
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)
They were actually forewarning us about shrub's presidency.
It's deja vu all over again!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:11 amGood Morning all, Well here we are again, a Saturday after another Friday in bull shit bush bizarro world....I wore myself out with outside work, only caught a good show on Clinton/Oberman and crashed while every one here went crazy......Skimmed over this site and only plan a quick note to weigh in.
Once again President Clinton show's his eloquence.. Let the record also show, he is respected and loved around the world... Statesmen from every country seek his councel and welcome him with open arm's....He can and doe's go every where and is treated with dignity and respect....No one cares (except the reich) about the Lawinski crap....To continue with their squeels and mud throwing over every little thing Clinton did or didn't do according to them is just a ruse to take the publics attention off of their continued evil mess.
Rather you like it or not the fact is bull shit bush is no match on any issue to Clinton....Clinton is a diplomat, well versed on every issue around the world. Bull shit on the other hand is a bumble, unable to even wipe his own ass with out the help of one of his handlers....Ya all have a good day now....Blessings
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:17 amIf you cannot vote Democrat on the day, vote Independent...
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — September 23, 2006 @ 6:35 am
WRONG.
IF YOU CANNOT VOTE DEMOCRAT ON THE DAY, DON'T VOTE.
VOTE DEMOCRAT FOR OVERSIGHT, CHECKS & BALLANCES,
THE CONSTITUTION.
WIN FIRST, PURGE LATER.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:20 am...
I miss Clinton as the president of the US, and i must add, that all the leaders around europe, and ultimatly the hole world say and let show that they do...
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:25 amThe world would be a much better place if he was still in power...... the US is becoming much of a NON-FREE country only becouse of George W. Bush's agressive and even oppressive policies in the US, but mainly imposed by many means, even illigally around the world... the image of the american people that he is delivering is seriously the worse i can thing of, and for so many times he redefined the word "worse", upgrading not for the good, its meanÃng for many... many people... he is BY FAR, and by all means possible not fit to be a leader, or even, anyone who should occupy a position of some responsability... in every word he says, it allways feels like an untrustworty... puppet like person...
Almost like an irresponsible kid with an ant farm as big as Earth...
Fox News site is screaming , "See Cinton Crazed" and "Clinton's Tirade". Do not let them do a hatchet job on President Clinton....EMAIL THEM, NOW!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:31 amSharon - right on!
One interesting note - watch the movie "Hunting of the President" - it's a good expose' on Clinton and how the right-wing nutjobs were doing everything they could to destroy him. Plenty of first-person interviews.
And - it's nice to see what a statesman he is - even working with Bush Sr. and the first lady on serious issues - can you see GW doing that? Nah - I believe that once GW leaves office, he'll be content "cutting his ceders"....
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:32 am[...] In the mire of depravity that constitutes Republican and conservative “values†today, it was a breath of fresh air to read Bill Clinton’s smackdown of Chris Wallace on Fox. If ever an American network served its political masters as faithfully as Pravda served Moscow’s communists, it is Fox. Clinton demonstrated to the most ignorant portion of America, those who get their news from Fox, that in fact the Republicans and right wing have never cared much about protecting then American people. It is all part of the quest for power for them. For once, some truth actually was broadcast on that benighted station. I have not always agreed with Bill Clinton. Sometimes I have disagreed strongly on important issues. But at least he cares about our country, and compared to the current crowd, is a paragon of human decency. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:35 amIf only we had a president today that was half as good as Clinton. We have lost so much in the past 6 years.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:36 amI read the transcripts and, as usual, Clinton was brilliant.
And to think he intellectually body slammed Chris Wallace without the help of one of those little electronic thingies hidden under his suit coat.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:37 amNever forget that between taking office 1/20/01 and the attack on 9/11/01, GWB spent 41% of those eight months on vacation.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:37 amsharon - take it easy, girl! sounds like me when i have a "3-aleve day"...
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:41 amlately when i know i'm gonna do some heavy work, i'll take 2 before i go out there! yes, i'm very careful to eat something first, and not take it too frequently, but it's my wonder drug for these old bones and muscles...
generic, of course...
and if family history is any indication, i'll have another 30+ years of it!
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Wow!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:46 amThe man is still presidential - and he looks even better if he is compared to the intellectually challenged political hack in the office today.
Can you imagine an interview like this in a few years with GW? Ha! I hope, if there is one, it will be held in a federal prison with Bush in an orange jumpsuit on the other side of the plexiglas.
No teleprompter, no speech writer talking in his ear, and Karl Rove sitting in a cell next door, Cheney having escaped to an undisclosed location somewhere in the world, and dead from an expired heart battery.
I just went to the Fox "News" website and there is a 37 second cut from the Clinton interview which shows that Clinton is quite pissed.
Frankly, thats fine with me, because when all the right wing wackos tune in on Sunday night with the hope of seeing Clinton make a fool of himself they will be treated to the equivalent of him crushing Chris Wallace into a little ball of hypocrisy and tossing him in the trash can.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:48 amI didn't like a lot of things Clinton did when he was in office (welfare "reform," for instance), but he looks like Abraham Lincoln compared to the dangerous, sub-imbecile, dry-drunk we're suffering through now. I hope the right wingers choke on this interview. The US should settle the "culture wars" once and for all - repeal the 22nd amendment and let Bill C. run against Dumbya in 2008 and see who gets his butt kicked. Won't happen, but I can dream.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:48 amMurdock is at the bottom of the problem, not even an American, bought his way into multiple media outlet ownership, & he has bought a cheering section for Chris W.----a genuine lighweight who has his job thx to his connections. Charlie McCarthy had more freedom to say his mind than Fox employees. I do watch Fox for the Simpsons.
I have my reservations about Bill but he's head & shoulders above his pip squeak critics.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:51 amBrilliant... i miss Bill!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 am...even though Bush was handed this mess by the Clinton administration who had run the show for 8 years and DID NOTHING...
Comment by Clinton Sucks! — September 23, 2006 @ 9:57 am
That's nothing compared to the mess in Iraq that'll get passed off to Bush's successor.
Help me clarify your position. Evidently, as far as you're concerned, if a Democratic administration follows a Republican one, any credit for gains by the Democrats should really go to the Republicans. On the other hand, if a Republican administration follows a Democratic one, and if things go bad for the Republican president, it's all the fault of the Democrats.
Does that pretty much sum up your world view?
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amJust a word to let Mr. Clinton know that many of us still feel like he is president!!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amJason Hendler: Your credibility is seriously lacking when you propose that Clinton is the only one who could turn mistakes into celebratory parades....we're in one continuous "parade-fest" with this hyena - so if that is true, then there are two such anomalies on the planet! Your "dweeb-ism" is showing.......trollmaniac.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amWingnuts,
Please explain why Shrub has flip-flopped with regard to Exit Strategy:
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.â€
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)
King Dumbya can't even remember his own advice.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:55 amThey threatened to "fire" anyone in Shrub's administration who even suggested planning for an Exit Strategy in Iraq.
Stupid f*cking moron Republicans.
Please, go DIE, NOW, FOR PEACE.
Besides, how does anyone's wallet compare today to what it was during Clinton's presidency? It's the ECONOMY, stupid!! That's what really matters to most americans and Clinton was "pure genius" in how he handled it.....what was the figure.....3 billion dollar surplus????
'WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET TODAY".....????????
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:56 amIm not a Clinton basher, but Clinton keeps repeating "I tried...", Yeah sure he "tried" he just didnt "try" hard enough is all.
I was in the service (Army) during the Clinton years. We got reduced training, reduced funding, and new hats. Hey but he "tried" right?
He did do some good for the economy and the debt. He "tried" real good on those, no doubt.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:59 amThank You! Tim for the movie tip.....Katy's correct folk's, don't split off for a third party now. Vote for Dem's in Nov. and in 2008...If you don't like the dem's in now pramote the new one's...Keep the focus on taking back america and check's and balances....Stop the reich winged madness and distruction of our country and the world...Impeachment and jailing all these war mongers is far more important than starting up another party at this time.....
Heard on the new's this morning Osama is dead, died last month...This will be a terrible upset for the bull shit bush bunch.....No more boogie man to wave in our faces....Parting shot to all you reich wingers.....Bull shit is such an inept leader the bad guy dies off while heir dictator fiddles.......There goes half of you're Nov. supprise dictator rove. See you all on the reich think bull shit is the pres, Not so, this bunch is ruled by cheney, rove,rummy,rice and wolfa...bush is only the front man pupett......Blessings, we need them, Impeach and then Peace..
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 amthis is another great example of leadership:
Clinton Gives Olbermann Some Hypothetical Advice For Bush
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 amBy: Jamie Holly on Saturday, September 23rd, 2006 at 6:44 AM - PDT
President Clinton sat down with Keith tonight to discuss the Clinton Global Initiative and a host of other topics. Keith asks the former President an "unrealistic political hypothetical": If George Bush called you up to ask for your advice, what would you tell him?
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even dubya could comprehend the last line...
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IMPEACH NOW!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:06 amLook all of you, obviously if faux was going to cut it... they wouldn't be showing the preview.
We need to focus on the guys that are running around in our own country, who are planning the Ramadan attack now.
Everyone's so busy pointing fingers... both of them suck, you have to take care of yourself.
RedWolf, excellent analysis btw.
And whoever was writing on O'Neill... he was being pushed out long before the holiday run back from Yemen... Bodine didn't allow him to come back to Yemen (we know they didn't get along), FBI was tired of him pushing the envelope and going around procedures (CIA) to get the job done (they were stopping the intel he needed)... they had even stopped passing relevant updates to him... that's why the nice set-up with the briefcase and unauthorized use of a bureau car, remember they had the another top intel guy they found out was spying right before that... pardoned by Clinton in January. Other said he would have only received an oral warning if it wasn't for that. His family and friends said he was very paranoid someone was going to get him... maybe he sensed 9-11 would go down and went where he could do the most to prevent it. Who knows?
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 amYou left wingers crack me up. I realize Bill speaks more eloquently than W, but he is still the same idiot folks. I honestly just don't know who are the bigger idiots, the simple people that like W because he "ain't one of those slick talking politicians," or the eductated people that like the slick used car salesmen Clinton.
Take a deep breath a re-read that interview. Clinton lies several times in it, that will be used against him. As a former President, he is attacking a currently sitting President, something that just shouldn't be done. Finally, he is telling us that he did all he could do, but he just couldn't get anything confirmed? That will certainly be used against you libs as an example of what happens when you wait for perfect intelligence, America gets attacked on its soil!
Sorry folks, all of this is going to put him in a further bad light.
If you left wingers think your village idiot is any more of a person than the current village idiot in office, you should take those college degrees and give them back. That would make all of you the biggest idiots of all. In the future please quit voting for President, because you people are the problem.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 amIf you cannot vote Democrat on the day, vote Independent…
Comment by Bruce+Gorton — September 23, 2006 @ 6:35 am
I'm hear ya. In fact, I think vote Independent first. The sooner we stand up to the corrupt cycle between the two parties, the sooner we begin to take back our country!
If we can get enough Independents (who tend to be liberals and moserates that mostly vote iwth Dems anyway), then we have true representatives of the people and not Corporate lackeys who are bought and paid mouthpieces for Corporate welfare.
It's why I would LOVE to see Gore run as an Independent in 2008, and then tell both parties that the only stuff he is signing from them is what's in the best interest of the American people - and no partisan nonsense.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 amThe poor trolls have become irrelevant. Can we please have an ignore button? Not that many of my progressive brothers and sisters sip their own kool aid, but these trolls are so bloody stupid, I find it hard to believe they can even find these sites. Let's make sure we get our facts right, so we can look each other in the eye and be totally confident our story is spread to our fellow citizens without editing for our own advantage like the little roves. GET IT RIGHT AND WATCH "EM SQUIRM....If I could kick Clinton's butt for the AFFAIR, I would. He not only betrayed his wife and daughter, but kept Gore from being a decent president. He(Clinton) surrounded himself with many good people, like Rubin, and we had a great run. Remember, if we can elect an idiot, we may very well elect a madman, and it could be sooner than you think. Keep the faith. We are too close to making this country respectable again. CONTROL THE TROLLS...BY the way, the idiot I'm referring to is NOT Bill!!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:12 amChris Wallace is such a sham of a journalist. Fox, like all Bush apologists, is more interested in pointing the finger of blame everywhere but where it belongs. One hardly needs any more proof that they are a mouthpiece for this administration.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amMurdoch had a huge fundraiser for Hillary here in Long Island.
I know... I can't figure it out either.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amClinton is one of the few people I know who can turn an admitted failure into a celebratory parade - he is one of a kind.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — September 23, 2006 @ 9:56 am
According to your logic, then Bush is three times an even bigger failure, since he's had three times longer to capture Osama, but has also failed...
Can't have it both ways Jason, try as you might.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 amAgain, we are reminded that exchanging virility for vacuity results in a significant loss of net value.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:15 amClinton tries to fight terrorism - republican congress blocks his every move
Comment by Jules — September 23, 2006 @ 10:03 am
Touche'! And true. Let's remind them thatthey control all three branches, and still, no Osama.
Clinton nailed them, all they can do now is make ad hominem attacks not even remotely based on reality. Typical. They'd rather shoot themselves in the foot than admit they were wrong.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:18 amThis interview will never see the light of day, unless it's chopped to pieces.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:18 amI miss Bill Clinton, but never as much as when I understand what a smart and great man he is (blow jobs from interns are irrelevant to what a great president he really was). It all becomes more poignant when he speaks and debates with Fox news hacks like Wallave.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 amYou gotta love it. Fox has a video clip to advertise Clinton's interview and they call it "Clinton's tirade". Those folks are really sad (Fox) and they are dangerous for our country.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 amI stopped watching "the boob-tube" over 9 years ago, and I feel soooooo much better. By "stopped watching" I mean that I won't even visit friends who have that lying, propaganda engine on. Don't listen to much radio either, and, when getting all the news I need to know via the magic of the Internet, I have the sound on my 'pewter turned off also. I don't need the "voice of Satan" screaming in my ear, and disrupting my thinking. Try it, you'll like it. Just walk away from all that noise and confusion. All you guys (librul & wing-nuts) should only stop micro-analyzing the bs they dump on you, and turn it off, forever. Hit em where they live, in the wallet. Alright, already, it's all crap, 24/7, out there in TV land. We all know that. So....what are you going to do about it besides sit there, glued to the tube, bitching about it?
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:23 amJust wonderin’. Is it possible?
of course it is...
Could the “news flash†that Osama bin Laden may have died of typhoid last month be related to Clinton’s FOX interview? This would be a great way to divert attention from Clinton’s statements.
Very timely coincidence. But who would think of that?
that's a rhetorical, right? cause we all know rove thinks of everything...
Comment by Outraged+in+Louisville — September 23, 2006 @ 11:04 am
i found the osama story, via google news, at raw story...
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:23 amyes, that would take some wind out of any oct/nov surprise...
but... rove probably has a backup... after all...
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I heard the rumor this morning that OBL may have died from typhoid on 8/26/06. Whether or not it is true, do you think the rumor will be enough to deflect some of the attention given to Clinton this weekend? Clinton was on Countdown, will be on MTP, and Fox -- looking ever so presidential, and creating a bit of nostalgia in those of us who long for the 90's.
I didn't vote for Clinton the first time, and I didn't agree with everything he did in office -- but fair criticism is better than blindly following anyone -- and in hindsight, when I compare the Clinton years with Bush I and Bush II, Clinton towers over them.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:28 amHeard on the new’s this morning Osama is dead, died last month…
Comment by Sharon Cox — September 23, 2006 @ 11:00 am
Howdy Sharon,
I've been hearing this one for months... perhaps even years now. Know the guy had issues with is health, but usually money solves a lot of those problems :)
Where di you hear it, and what was their source? It would actually be great if true - the boogeyman is gone, by natural causes, and we didn't make him a martyr by killing him...
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 amBrings to mind “Hedwig and the Angry Inchâ€. ;)
Comment by CyraBrown
Cyra, if you happen to stop by again, that is absolutely hilarious! I'd forgotten about that movie. Exley just may have a new name...hmmm.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 amsorry seth, but clinton was very careful that he was not "attacking a currently sitting president" - even thought we all know he deserves it...
yes, even you...
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 am...
Sorry, Outraged and KatyI speculated pretty much the same as you did -- posts are too slow these days aid I didn't see them until I went back after I posted my own.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:32 amWell - at least it shows we are thinking alike - call us cynical!
We all know that. So….what are you going to do about it besides sit there, glued to the tube, bitching about it?
Comment by Miss Brandy — September 23, 2006 @ 11:23 am
Uh, we are on the Internet...
Most of us don't watch much to any television either. It's why we are here.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:33 amMSNBC is reporting a French newspaper has announced the death by typhoid of Bin Laden last month. True or not Bill Clinton did his job as well as the right would allow. His interview with Kieth Olbermann is an example of how a class act does an interview with a prominent figure in American history. Chris Wallace should be ashamed.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:35 am[...] I can certainly understand why former President Bill Clinton lost his temper at Chris Wallace when the Fox News reporter asked him: [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:36 amWe have to wonder in about 4 years when Bush is on CNN getting an interview and he says, "I tried to kill binLaden, I did everything in my power and I failed" how many libs will be patting Bush on the back for failing.
And, now, if Osama is really dead and Bush, et al, knew he was dying for the last x months...well, we would not want to give Bush any credit for knowing that and using this info to round up some more bad guys would we????
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:39 amI'm sure mikey ran home to his wife and cried after bill put him in his place, she probably wishes she was still married to the smothers brother who at least had more balls and political sense than mikey does...
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 amI watched the midnight edition of Countdown and enjoyed the Olbermann/Clinton interview. I reeked of intelligent questions and honest answers and Olbermann didn't perform the ambush journalism that Faux News practices.
At the end, of the broadcast, Olbermann thanked President Clinton notonly for appearing on the program, but for standing up to and kicking Chrissy Wallace's ass.
Even Olbermann knows about the attempted ambush by Mike's disappointment for a son.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 amyes, marie - like minds!
and this posting delay is annoying ... maybe on purpose, to limit "conversation"?...
i was thinking this morning that TP would need to heavily vet anyone hired to fix the problem cause it's well known by now, and how the reich would love to sabatoge this site!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 am...
Bin Laden dead? they must have him on ice, so when needed. they
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amcan bring him "out" (say just before nov.election 06) or maybe 08?
I am getting really tired.....
[...] Lots of political stuff going on worth noting right now… While I’ve never been a big fan of President Clinton, I’ve always enjoyed his skillful smackdowns of right-wing bobbleheads… Here’s a transcript of an ambush interview with Chris Wallace that will air on Faux News this Sunday… [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 amJIMBO,
Keith Olbermann's interview with Clinton was really good.
Maybe Chris Wallace can watch it and catch a clue.....nahhh.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 amWell "DOT" - good question...I would pat Shrub on the back if he would admit to ANY of his VERY MANY failures, beginning with an apology for NOT ONE TIME in 9 months holding a security meeting on OBL, however, he will NEVER admit to a mistake because he is a sociopath!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:50 am[...] Check out this extraordinary transcript posted on Think Progress. Chris Wallach treid to set up Bill Clinton, but gets more than he knows how to deal with. Clinton puts on a clinic: how to deal with the underhanded “swift boat†style tactics of FOx (FOX had promised that the interview would focus on Clinton’s efforts to raise $7 Billion in humanitarian aid). [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 am[...] Here’s a great transcript of an interview with Bill Clinton slamming Fox news: LINK. I personally admire Bill Clinton. I don’t care that he lied about getting a blow job. He was still a great president. I honestly feel that he’s one of the few people who truely want to make the world a better place. Bono and Bill Gates are trying also but there annoying. I do wish we could declare a state of emergency and reinstate Clinton. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 amWhat a bunch of morons you all are. (I especially like those who attest to the supposed brilliance of the Rhoads [sic - post 7] scholar with their own grammatically incompetent phrases.) Once again, Bill Clinton has shown his underpants in public with very little prodding, and his purple face of rage is only one testament to his out-of-control narcissism. Love him at your own peril.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:59 amBased on a quick scan of these postings, America looks a lot less "indivisible" than it once was. Methinks we don't have to worry about some outsiders doing us in. Two more years of Bush will take care of that with time to spare.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm8 years versus 8 months says it all.
One kept us safe for 8 years, the other for 8 months.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:13 pm#371 - I like me!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmIt’s like the republicans don’t remember any thing. When Clinton tried to conduct the business of our nation he was attacked at every turn by republicans. Reminder “wag the dogâ€, Can any one calculate the damage done by all the republicans in the government agencies and military who being good loyal republicans did any thing they could to frustrate the president and embarrass him if at all possible.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmcuriosity got the better of me and i had to see the fox clip...
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmthis is what clinton said in that clip, chosen for it's most in-your-face moment (YAY!!!), i'm sure... no doubt what dubya tried to portray with lauer but mostly looked like a drunk...
but this statement is all fox is showing till sunday...and the lead up to this video will truly make you dizzy:
"...at least I tried. That’s the difference in me and some, including all the right wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try and they didn’t…I tried. So I tried and failed."
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so, when they are done with this interview, all chopped and rearranged, who knows what will happen to it...
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Where were all of the people posting to this blog when "The Big Dog" went on National and International TV - in front of hundreds of millions of people - pointed his finger straight at the cameras and said: "I dont know anyone named Monika Lewinsky!"???????? And I actually believed him!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmRight! and Pete Rose never bet on Baseball!
Classy???......American Hero???? Try low life, lying slime ball.........
9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH! He did nothing to stop it, except continue to read “My Pet Goat†for seven minutes. He was warned and did nothing!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmkaty,
I think it will look something like what Briseadh na Faire has at #20.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 pmYeah tetvet - I am a less disgusted about a guy cheating on his wife and lying about it then I am about the many, many, many lies and other atrocities commited by Shrub and his administration!!!
86/43!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmAbby,
With respect to your opinion, you do the same thing that most conservatives do when attacking Bill Clinton. You attack the man and the perceived character flaws (What you consider flaws, I consider normal human nature, but then again, my mind isn't shut). And the fact that posters in a forum aren't Rhoad's scholars.. uhm, well... duh?
Your post doesn't do anything to enhance your intellectual standing, and just shows another bitter conservative attacking the best president in 40 years.
Cheers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmtetvet, sorry you had to suffer through that...
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmbut if you don't know by now, the difference betweeen lying about consensual sex between adults (aka - none of your business) and lying to bring about a war and death for personal enrichment, you never will, because you don't want to...
your government lied to you then and it's lying to you now... get smart...
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by the way, when he pointed his finger at me and lied, i was embarrassed that my country would stoop so low as to ask such a question... of course he lied, it's rule #1 when asked about infidelity... you know that...
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“I dont know anyone named Monika Lewinsky!�??????? And I actually believed him!
Comment by tetvet-68
He didn't say he didn't know her, he couldn't very well say that since she was an intern. He said he'd never had sexual relations with her.
No one here is condoning that lie, tetvet-68. I couldn't look at him or listen to him for months after the fact of that lie came out, but except for lying under oath, it was really for Bill and Hillary to sort out.
The ultimate irony is that people remain so incensed about Bill's poor choices in his sex life, and his lie, while giving a pass to George W. Bush, who's lie is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.
GWB has also torn apart this country from within, much to Osama bin Laden's delight.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmUnfortunately, viewers will probably see only the Fox edited edition of this interview.
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 pm[...] Be sure to read the transcript of President Clinton’s Fox News interview with Chris Wallace. Wallace tried to hang “aren’t you really responsible for September 11″ on Clinton, and Clinton wasn’t having it. WALLACE: …but the question is why didn’t you do more, connect the dots and put them [al Qaeda] out of business? [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 pm1. I am not a Conservative. I have voted Democratic in EVERY election since I could vote - the first being in 1964 - and will continue to do so.
2. I am not giving George Bush a FREE PASS. He is unquestionably the WORST President during my lifetime.
3. But neither #1 nor #2 above changes the fact that Bill Clinton is a lying, low-life. And let's all hope that Hillary does not get nominated for President. If she does - she will have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected when all of "The Big Dogs" bullshit is dredged up again........
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 pmLet's all pray this is true:
"A senior source with an intelligence service friendly to the United States told CBS News that Saudi Intelligence has collected what it considers to be "very credible information" that bin Laden has been very seriously ill, and that the Saudi services are now suggesting, though not confirming, that they "have a pretty high certainty" that he is dead.
The source added that if he has died as a result of typhoid fever, which comes from exposure to contaminated water and food, it would confirm reports that he has been hiding in a remote area, under very harsh conditions with limited access to medical care. "
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmfrom CJR
http://prisonplanet.com/what_we_knew_warning_given_story_missed.html
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:09 pm
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bush/index.html
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:11 pm
tetvet - what are exactly "all of the big dogs bullshit?" That he had consensual sex and lied about it?
i wouldn't want to marry the guy, but he was the best president we have had in decades!!!
You would not be the first troll to come here claiming to be a progressive then promote a neocon agenda!!!
Nice try though!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8734-2002Jan19
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- On May 8, Bush announced a new Office of National Preparedness for terrorism at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. At the same time, he proposed to cut FEMA's budget by $200 million. Bush said that day that Cheney would direct a government-wide review on managing the consequences of a domestic attack, and "I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts." Neither Cheney's review nor Bush's took place....
At the nexus of law enforcement and intelligence, where the United States has concentrated its work against al Qaeda since 1998, a longtime senior participant said he observed no essential change after the White House passed to new occupants.
"Ninety-nine point-something percent of the work going on and the decisions being made would have continued to be made whether or not we had an election," the career officer said. "I have a real difficult time pointing to anything from January 20th to September 10th that can be said to be a Bush initiative, or something that wouldn't have happened anyway."
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 pmtetvet-68,
I apologize for making any implication you are a conservative. It was not my intent.
I too, hope Hillary Clinton is not nominated for President. Not because of Bill's history, but because she simply will not get elected, and I don't want 4-8 more years of the hell we're living now. Actually, it may take 4-8 years to repair the damage to this country...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 pm#390,
Zooey, Hillary will be the Demcrat's presidential nominee in 2008. Since you clearly do not like her, may I suggest you take a look at Mitt Romney, the next President of the United States. Get on the bandwagon early, sweetie darling!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 pmit may take 4-8 years to repair the damage to this country…
Comment by Zooey — September 23, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
...if we are LUCKY !!! ... i'm resigned to 10's of years... maybe generations... at least for the financial ruins to be fixed...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:25 pmthis is such an incredible mess...
...
In May, 2001, Pulitzer Prize winner David Halberstam published "War in a Time of Peace - Bush, Clinton, and the Generals." Although he covered Iraq, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo, there is not a hint of a mention of Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden.
That suggests that, in all his digging and interviewing on the topic of Clinton at war, Halberstam never uncovered Clinton's war on terror, or did not experience Clinton's people pounding the table and emphasizing its importance.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmExley you are a bigger moron then I had previously taken you for. Do you know one thing about Romney? People in MA HATE him. He is never there except for photo ops. When his record in MA comes out he would be lucky to get APPOINTED to a position!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmExley,
You are unhinged if you think Mitt Romney will be nominated for, let alone elected President.
He's pretty enough, but he's got maggots living in his braincase.
The choice suits you, sweetie darling.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 pm[...] Likewise, the Internet is buzzing about President Clinton’s tart responses to FOX News reporter Chris Wallace’s questions about why Clinton didn’t do more to capture Bin Laden after the original World Trade Center attack. I agrere with Clinton, to a degree. The right wing holds Clinton to a high standard than they seem to hold President Bush, he also did nothing to arrest bin Laden during the first nine months of his administration. But the sad fact is thatbin Laden studies the behavior of the United States for the past fifty years and concluded that the United States didn’t have the stomach to maintain a long-term attack on Islamofascism that woduld be needed to destroy his movement. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:31 pmkaty,
Sadly enough, you are probably right...
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:32 pm[...] Clinton Takes On Fox Newshttp://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/22/clinton-fox/ [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:42 pm#395,
Zooey, my sweet....
Actually, I have not made up my mind on who I will support in 2008 -- Romney, McCain, or Giuliani. Each is a worthy successor to the George W. Bush -- The Great Liberator (as history will dub him).
Romney has impressed me with his strong position on the War on Terror. Giuliani is clearly an American hero, who will undoubtedly continue to pursue the war against Islamo-fascism with great verve, since he, more than anyone saw the horror those barbarians can bring to our shores unless they are confronted overseas.
McCain is another American hero. I don't like his campaign-finance "reform" efforts, but he is still eminently qualified to be President.
Three finr choices for you to support, Zooey, sweetie darling. You really can't go wrong with any of them.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:43 pmZooey and Katy,
Yes, we will need a lot of time to restore the damage done by Bush&Co. I expect it will take at least two Democratic terms if not longer.
As for Bush&Co -- they certainly are criminals (this so-called compromise of yesterday is a whitewash protecting the reputations of all involved) and it is my hope that they will be tried for their crimes -- but first, let's get the country back and on track -- we can have subcommittees doing all the preliminary hearings, etc., while the big work of restoration goes forward.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:46 pmWe won't be able to prosecute them anyway until they are out of office, so we will have to be patient - but determined.
(However, I still sport a b-sticker on my car "Impeach Bush" among others.)
#394, Jules...Read the Boston Globe this morning?:
Romney seeks to be alternative to McCain
Intensifies courtship of GOP's right wing
By Scott Helman and Kristen Green, Globe Correspondent | September 23, 2006
WASHINGTON -- From his outspoken defense of President Bush on interrogating terrorism suspects to an appeal to Christian conservatives here yesterday, Governor Mitt Romney is increasingly trying to position himself as the leading conservative alternative to Senator John S . McCain III of Arizona in the 2008 presidential race.
Romney, elected just four years ago as a moderate Republican, is seizing on the opening created by an unexpectedly tough reelection campaign this year for Senator George F . Allen of Virginia, the prospective presidential candidate who had been widely seen as the standard-bearer for the GOP's conservative wing.
As Allen has been forced to put his 2008 hopes on hold, analysts and observers say, Romney has rushed to fill the vacuum by appealing to the right on homeland security, immigration, and social issues, particularly in South Carolina, a crucial early primary state home to many conservative voters.
``He's maximized his window of opportunity very well in South Carolina," said Scott Malyerck, executive director of the state Republican Party. ``He's hitting those conservative buttons that folks are concerned about."
On his blog this week, conservative writer Andrew Sullivan called Romney the ``theo-cons' favorite nominee" who has ``clearly positioned himself as McCain's opponent on the issue" of interrogation methods.
``I presume he thinks it will win him votes among Christian, Republican base voters," Sullivan wrote, citing two often interconnected constituencies in the Republican Party.
Though McCain is still considered the front-runner for the Republican nomination, his independent streak on issues such as immigration and tighter campaign finance rules has long alienated some conservatives. With the 2008 jockeying intensifying, Romney is trying to exploit that rift by articulating positions that fall to the right of McCain's and by courting religious conservatives.
When McCain and two other Republican senators broke with Bush last week in insisting on greater rights for terrorism suspects in American custody, Romney firmly backed the president, labeling the move by McCain and the other maverick senators ``a big mistake." Romney told The New York Times he was ``foursquare behind the president" and went out of his way to cite several other areas, including immigration policy, where he held more conservative views than McCain.
Romney's criticism drew a curt response from McCain, but it has won plaudits elsewhere.
``Romney gets it, and McCain hasn't got a clue," reads a blog entry on gopbloggers.org.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:49 pmI'm a Goldwater conservative, which puts me to the left of todays proto fascists aka Repugnicans, and I miss Bill. At least semen stains on a blue dress did not hazard our country, or constittution, which is what todays crop of proto fascists (aka "Konservatives") have done.
I miss Bill, but in no way am I interested in Hillary as President, she backs Bush in Iraq, then and now.
Dem's had better come up with someone decent, not a Republican light, such as Hillary, and by the way William Jefferson was not a progressive, he was a moderate "Republican" he actually betrayed his base, (labor, gays, pro choice, feminists) abandoned them one and all, used clever ruses, but abandoned them.
Yet if Bill were Prez the last four years, our country would be respected in the world, and our economy and civil liberties much better off, and our constitution which the Repugs and Bush have shredded, still intact..
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmTwo quotes:
I do not believe to this day that it would have been a good thing to respond to the Cole, given the kinds of options that we were going to have. ... We really thought that the Cole incident was passed, that you didn't want to respond tit-for-tat. ...
-- Condi Rice to the 9/11 Commission
" And, again, I don't know where he [Osama] is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pm--G.W.Bush, March 13, 2002
By the way, Zooey,
Remember when you criticized me for ending one of my postings (I believe it was on 9/11/2006) with, "God Bless America?"
Well, look at posting #285, which contains a copy of your boy's, President Clinton, speech from 1998: "Thank you, God bless you and may God bless our country."
Heh! No outrage from you this time, I notice....
That's okay, though. I accept your apology. How can I stay mad at you, sweetie darling????
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:55 pm[...] Likewise, the Internet is buzzing about President Clinton’s tart responses to FOX News reporter Chris Wallace’s questions about why Clinton didn’t do more to capture Bin Laden after the original World Trade Center attack. I agrere with Clinton, to a degree. The right wing holds Clinton to a high standard than they seem to hold President Bush, he also did nothing to arrest bin Laden during the first nine months of his administration. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmExely - once again you are showing your ignorance.
Not too many people in this country even know who Romney is. So what if the minority of neocan facists like him. It will take more than that to get elected. He will need to win over independents and he will NEVER be able to do that. I hope he does win the nomination. That will just make the installation of a democrat that much easier!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:59 pmThree finr choices for you to support, Zooey, sweetie darling. You really can’t go wrong with any of them.
Comment by Exley
I was right, you are unhinged, three times over. I really don't understand it, because, while we don't agree on most things, you do seem to be intelligent.
Right now, I'm going to do the intelligent thing and get off this computer, and out into the cold but sunny day.
Ya'll give my new sweetie darling hell, ok?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 pmRed+Wolf
Last time you Americans tried to take Canada, Canada sacked Washington. You piss off the north they will come down, they will kick your asses, and you will end up crying to mommy UN when Britain and the rest of your longterm allies nuke you right back into the stone-age.
Meanwhile the rest of the world will not sympathise with the American survivors, it will not contribute to rebuilding America and it will in fact move in to claim those bits of America it fancies. Mexico will re-incorporate the southern states, Canada, what is left of it, will take the north and the middle will be a mass grave for all the idiots who thought attacking a country which has proven a peaceful and indeed friendly neighbour since the conclusion of the war of 1812 was a good idea.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:03 pm[...] FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmmarie - and, to make matters worse, whoever is the next president, in order to get a start on fixing the mess, taxes will have to be raised - but mostly, the tax cuts will have to be revoked, and what a howl will be heard...
i have never dreamed this country would turn out so many ignorant, selfish, greedy fools... the founders are surely disappointed...
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmI watched '13 Days' last night, it made me think about what Kennedy would have done with terrorism, he like Clinton had a head on his shoulders. If Bush had to deal with the Soviets we'd all be dead now, that was the only good lesson I got from the program. Why can't people see these guys for who they are?
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 pmThat’s okay, though. I accept your apology. How can I stay mad at you, sweetie darling????
Comment by Exley
Damn, Ex. I hadn't taken you for a whiner...
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 pmOkay I've never liked Bill Clinton. I always said (and still do for that matter) that he is a self serving, narcasistic, pathalogical lier but ...
Damn he's good when he's on his game and boy was he on his game bigtime on this one. The transcript doesn't do justice to the visual performance and audio. Find a copy and post it on the video sites for all to see!
He's a very smart fellow unlike the current white house squatter so trying to do him a blind side is a bad idea.
Like I said I've never been a fan of wild Bill but talk about nailling someone to the camera lens with 9 inch nails and destroying any crediblity they might have had. WOW!
I would love to debate Bill Clinton on a lot of issues but I would be prepared and respect the man's intellectual capabilities. This Fox clown was trying to laugh off the retorts so hard because he had nothing intelligent to reply. What a FOOL.
Coming from me this last line will shock all the people who know me but in all honesty it needs to be said:
Well done Bill!
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:11 pm#399 Comment by Exley
You're so frigging lame, darlin'.
Yes McCain is a hero. So was the President Grant. Grant was also a drunkard and typically ranks in the lowest quartile of U.S. presidents, primarily for his tolerance of corruption.
As for Romney, before becoming Governor, Romney ran an unsuccessful 1994 campaign against Senator Ted Kennedy and lost. He's a liberal repugnican who won't get the nomination. One good reason is because he believes that abortion is OK in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened. That is just too damned progressive for Pat Robertson's Right Wing to swallow.
And then there is Giuliani. As long as he keeps his pecker in his pants and doesn't keep dumping his wives in favor of his mistresses, or confess to any other marital infidelities, he could be accepted by the Repugs and a good many democrats as well. His downfall is that he is too middle of the road and not easily manipulated by the rightwing power brokers. For instance, Giuliani's pro-choice stand on abortion. Pro-life groups, such as the Republican National Coalition for Life, have already announced their intention to oppose Giuliani.
You better get real, pal, on who is likely to get the nod from the Repuglican Party nomination. It isn't going to be any of those three.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 pmActually, I have not made up my mind on who I will support in 2008 — Romney, McCain, or Giuliani. Each is a worthy successor to the George W. Bush — The Great Liberator (as history will dub him).
I thought you'd finally come around a bit and realized that attacking Iraq, in hindsight, was not handled very well. Did you go back to drinking the Kool-Aid since the last time we spoke?
Sometimes you really are like two completely different people. Sometimes you are intelligent, rational and human, and at other times you're... well, a Bush supporter. What gives?
Three finr choices for you to support, Zooey, sweetie darling. You really can’t go wrong with any of them.
Comment by Exley — September 23, 2006 @ 1:43 pm
That's what you said about Bush, and look how wrong we've gone in 6 short years... From a surplus to a deficit, from peace to perpetual war, from loved in the world to hated... and so on.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:20 pmread from the real full transcript link at the bottom. This is rundown of the interview has a slight left wing bias making most of the people who posted on this link pretty much idiots.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:25 pmThe Big Dog†went on National and International TV - in front of hundreds of millions of people - pointed his finger straight at the cameras and said: “I dont know anyone named Monika Lewinsky!�??????? And I actually believed him!
Right! and Pete Rose never bet on Baseball!
Classy???……American Hero???? Try low life, lying slime ball……
The same place I was when Bush said he didn't know Ken Lay
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmThe people at FOX along with repugs are clearly trying to change history with their fake stories and lies, so Bill Clinton has every right to get in their faces and smack them with the facts.
God, do I miss Bill Clinton as our President.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 pm#384 tetvet; first, thanks for serving. Second, the best argument I ever heard against Bill Clinton was from a Viet vet who years ago, around '93 or so, said;
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:35 pm"What I don't like about Bill Clinton is that he moved to England to attend Oxford under the guise of getting a better education, when really it was a ploy to avoid military service. His people were grooming him from the age of 12 to become a politician, so they should have known that not serving in the military would look bad when he entered politics. He wouldn't have had to go overseas, they probably would have used him in recruiting or in some other non-combat role, so I feel that was very bad foresight and planning. Now, this same man and his people are running the country with this same bad foresight and planning. I saw this and that's why I didn't vote for him, not because of his politics." Clinton was in office at that point, but had Bush brought this up at the right moment during the '92 campaign, it could have really damaged Clinton, especially with Bush being a WWII vet. The problem was, Bush really didn't seem to be hungry for the presidency, and Clinton did. Bush's half-hearted run at the oval office cost the Republicans dearly... Enough about history tho. Let's talk about lying politicians. The worst thing Clinton lied about was the Monica Lewinsky debacle; very unsavory at best, disgusting, reprehensible and immoral at worst. An impeachable offense? no. Lying under oath? Possibly. However, this pales in comparison with what Cheney and his minions have wrought on this country in the name of patriotism. I do think a lot of Americans are waking up to the fact that even if you go to church on Sunday, claim to be a good Christian/Catholic/whatever, lead a good clean public life etc, that does not excuse you from wrongdoing, and it does not make war ok just because you are a clean shaven, upstanding patiotic American who is "faithful" to his wife and 6 kids, and flys the flag on the Forth of July. I'm not talking about the average soldier, or even the career soldier, I'm talking about corrupt, dastardly politicians who using the American military for their own personal gain and professionally marketing this as "patriotism". Does this not outrage you, tetvet? It's all about money, not love of country. The elite made gobs of money in 'Nam and they're making gobs of money now, in Iraq. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this. With that said, I'd rather have a President who is a letch but sincerely likes and cares about people, black, brown, yellow or white, and gives them hope, (thereby stimulating the economy) and who does his best to do the right thing, like bringing about an end to hostilities in Serbia-Croatia, while being lambasted by the same Republicans who are now supporting Bush in his failed Iraq mis-adventure. Now THERE are some liars for you, and hypocrites as well. Tetvet, I supported the troops in Viet Nam and I support them in Iraq, but I don't support scoundrals such as Cheney and his puppet Bush who wrap themselves in the American flag while raping lady liberty. I'll take Clinton any day over these lying scoundrels...
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September 23rd, 2006 at 2:43 pmjason
Actually by the sounds of it you are the idiot. Clinton took control of the interview, he in fact trounced Wallace and Wallace was not prepared to take another beating like that. The interview ended with Wallace keeping his mouth shut because he had been completely, and totally, pwned early on.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmThis is fantastic. 400 + postings on the smack down to Wallace. It's been so long since I've heard a President speak in unbroken sentences and didn't have to stop every 8 seconds to smile at ya.
This smack down is made even more enjoyable by the neocan't that show up trying to defend the indefensible.
Keep it coming.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmI thought it was funny that some people suggested Bill Clinton has more balls than Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. They definitely have more balls, they can look the American people in the eyes and lie to them and then lie about lieing to them, that takes balls.
September 23rd, 2006 at 2:59 pmWhat I don’t like about Bill Clinton is that he moved to England to attend Oxford under the guise of getting a better education, when really it was a ploy to avoid military service. His people were grooming him from the age of 12 to become a politician, so they should have known that not serving in the military would look bad when he entered politics.-nikolai, quoting a vet
I've seen some real BS posted by trolls on this site from time to time, and this ranks right near the top. This person obviously has no insight into the Rhodes Scholarship program.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:04 pmPlease, God, make the Democrats so stupid and arrogant that they nominate Hillary in '08.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:05 pmFrom the looks of this blog (and posts) maybe FOX can be bought to light for what they really are, fellow americans will wake up and see the turth.
Need more Bill C's
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmgetting a little seems to get alot.
What I don’t like about Bill Clinton is that he moved to England to attend Oxford under the guise of getting a better education, when really it was a ploy to avoid military service.
Bill didn't have to go out of the country to avoid War, Just ask Dick Cheney, he got 5 deferments and 2 DUIS, Rove attended six universities and escaped vietnam, Rove graduated from none.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmWolfowitz, Perle, Gingrich, Newton....all chickenhawks all war mongers..see how that works? The big bad tuff nerds won't go to war, but they will surely start one, then talk about how tuff they are,,pathetic really.
[...] Go HERE for the full transcript WALLACE: Do you think you did enough sir? [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmPlease, God, make the Democrats so stupid and arrogant that they nominate Hillary in ‘08.
Comment by E Pluribus Unum
Maybe you should pray that God makes you intelligent instead?
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmThank you President Bill Clinton......six years we've had to wait for this...
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmThank You.
#424 DrSinker, I'm not a troll, I'm a registered Independent who loves his country and admires and respects the veterans of ALL wars, including the Viet Nam war. Those guys got a real lousy deal all the way around, to say the least. My quote was from a 'Nam veteran who was one of my neighbors. We were out shooting targets one day when he told me the bit about Clinton and Oxford. No, he DIDN'T know about the Rhodes Scholarship program, all he knew is how he felt, whether he was 100% correct, or not, I respected him (and his opinion) then, and I respect him (and his opinion) now. You see DrSinker, neither he nor I can be conveniently catagorized. I myself am left leaning, but am not anti-gun. I am pro-stem cell research, but anti-abortion, unless it is absolutely necessary, but "absolutely necessary" is a relative term, is it not? (See how open minded and free thinking I am? I world never classify myself as a intellectual, however, and neither would my friends). I like and respect John McCain, but despise Bush and Cheney. An anomaly? Maybe. A typical American? More likely. You see DrSinker, that is what makes America great, we Americans all have our differences, but want what is right overall, for the majority. The problem now however, is that the carpetbaggers in office now have been exploiting our differences, keeping us a people divided, shamefully doing so in an aggressive "patriotic" marketing scheme that worked, at least until recently. No, DrSinker, not all typical Americans know about the Rhodes Scholaship "Programme", as we are not as "cultured" as yourself. Now, climb down off your pedestal and apologize for calling me a troll...
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmhttp://www.chickenhawkcards.com/olielly.jpg
FOX News Poster Child
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmBill stood up for himself as anyone would. He shouldn't have fell for the hate-bait, but he did, Ironically Wallace probably now wishes he wouldn't have hate-baited him...
Hate-Baiting has become the News media modus operandi to confuse and marginalize important issues [Democratic and Republican] and all suffer under such dishonest and misleading tactics.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmHot damn. What an interview! I'm gonna be so disappointed when faux noose slices and dices it. Thanks, ThinkProgress, for letting me read what was really said.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmWow, finally Clinton speaks out!!!! I am so tired of hearing the GOP'ers complaining that Clinton didn't do enough when at every turn they fought him tooth and nail when it came to bin Laden. Bush gets into office and suddenly Bush is walking hand in hand with the bin Laden family and the Saudi Royal family. Seems it was Saudi's that flew those planes into those buildings and the exact words of Bush to Barnes "Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’. WOW, I wonder how much the bin Laden family paid Bush to lay of their famous son.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmOH MOUTH FULL OF SH*T BILL HAS AN ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING!!!! CAN HE GIVE US ONE REASON TROOPS WERE PULLED OUT OF DESERT STORM???
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:45 pmThe military industrial complex is basically what the GOP represents today. Wars are 'meat and potatoes' [Wolfowitz] even a small war can create billions in profits and also bring that country under stifling loans with conditions that will impoverish them to the IMF and Worldbank [Wolfowitz] it is a scam of enourmous proportions.
Th taxpayer foots the bill for the war and the salus populi fight it, usually begat thru propaganda, and then the Country we went to war with owes the US reperations, such as Iraq owes 35 billion for GULF I, you will not ever see that money, or profit.
Until the Republican, Democrats, and the people realize how they are creating War for profits, enslaving nations, and screwing the taxpayer, and killing our sons and daughters for a group of sociopathic weapons manufacturers and investment bankers. Sure the OIL is there, but that is only part of the booty, Bolton and Wolfowitz are both part of this PNAC war and death machine for profit. PNAC is basically the cheerleaders for the military industrial warmongers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:47 pmOH MOUTH FULL OF SH*T BILL HAS AN ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING!!!! CAN HE GIVE US ONE REASON TROOPS WERE PULLED OUT OF DESERT STORM???
Comment by Loretta Dakfein
What? you mean Desert Shield or Desert Storm?
It was Bush Sr. that pulled out of Iraq leaving Saddam in Power.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:01 pmAMERICAN MEDIA IS A VERY SICKENING PROPAGANDA MACHINE
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmMr. CLINTON is a friggin GENIUS with real values compared to the crazy money monkeys in control of death and lies in the current whitehouse.Who the hell cares if he couldn't get good head from his wife and got it elsewhere,that's just marriage problems,not a murderous policy of total corruption of EL DIABLOCO.
Jesus will not be helping the demons in the shithouse/whitehouse of a rogue nation.....KARMA KARMA KARMA IS COMING
Since Operation Iraqi Freedom and the American occupation of Iraq, the 1991 conflict is often referred to as “Gulf War I†or the “First Persian Gulf Warâ€, also known to Americans as Operations Desert Shield [Bush Sr.]
There is great regret in the Republican Party that Mr Bush's father, President George Bush Sr, failed to deal with Saddam after the Gulf War, and contempt for the Clinton administration's "containment plus regime change" policy. There have been no weapons inspections in Iraq since 1998, and America's enforcement of a "no-fly" zone, and its continuing economic sanctions, have failed to eliminate Saddam's grip on power.
I suppose Loretta you mean Clintons containment policy?
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmComment by nikolai — September 23, 2006 @ 3:26 pm
nikolai - you could well serve your neighbor by educating him of the facts and then any respect he or his opinion is given would be even better deserved... it's not good to propagate false information...
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmyou could do BOTH of you a favor, and many others... just sayin'...
I didn't vote for Clinton in 1996 because of his MFTN status for China. (Didn't vote for Dole either.) But I sure miss him as President. I'm not going to repeat all the pro-Clinton, anti-Bush soundbites that get thrown around, but I will say I agree with the majority of posters here: it was great when we had an intelligent President who could speak in complete sentences, who could plan farther ahead than lunch, and who actually cared about the country and not just his cronies. He's proving that now with his Global Initiative. I guarantee you, five years after his term is over Bush will be clearing brush and fishing in his stocked manmade lake.
It drives Republic*nts nuts that after Monica, after impeachment, after everything, Clinton left office with a 60% approval rating. It makes them crazy that people feel genuine affection for the man, not the angry, fanatic projection that people have for Duhhhbya. Clinton is a genuinely likeable man who wants to make everyone around him better. Duhhhbya is a spiteful hack who can't stand anyone thinking they're better than him. Remember--it was Duhhhbya who got his kicks as a teenager by blowing up frogs with firecrackers. Deep inside, he's still the same hateful weenie.
And he couldn't find oil in Texas.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm[...] Clinton agreed to go on Fox News Sunday and be interviewed, partly about his Clinton Global Intiative, and part as a free-for-all which naturally drifted to talking about bin Laden. To put it mildly, Clinton got a bit peeved. ThinkProgress with the transcript. CLINTON: What did I do? I worked hard to try and kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president we’d have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him. Now I never criticized President Bush and I don’t think this is useful. But you know we do have a government that thinks Afghanistan is 1/7 as important as Iraq. And you ask me about terror and Al Qaeda with that sort of dismissive theme when all you have to do is read Richard Clarke’s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive systematic way to try to protect the country against terror. And you’ve got that little smirk on your face. It looks like you’re so clever… [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:24 pm#441. I did Katy, but I still repect the man and his opinion. I think someone who has been thru hell (Vietnam) deserves to voice his opinion in the country he went to war for. I never was in the servcie; the draft was stopped by Nixon, just in time for the Nov '72 elections; at the time I was a c- college student, so I never had my ass shot at, but he sure did, so I have the utmost respect for him, but not just because he's a vet, but because he's a decent human being as well. I'm not like the republicans OR the democrats who condem everything they don't agree with or understand. That's why I registered as an Independent.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmAnd he couldn’t find oil in Texas.
'at's a good'n...
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:33 pmTo Jules, DrSinker and others posting on this blog who condemn anyone as a “troll†or “neocon†or cast aspersions on a person's motives for comments that are not in “lock step†with your personal “agenda†– whatever that may be……Who are you…â€the thought policeâ€????? What is this….“dkos uber allis†Maybe you can start a new group called the “Troll Troopersâ€. I prefer freedom of speech.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:36 pm#446 live_free_or_die THANK YOU!
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pmCould't we have Feingold/Gore or Gore Feingold for 08? please
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 pmI actually kinda feel sorry for Bush as he stumbles thru a speech, but then I remember how he's never really had to live as (most of) the rest of us have. He's never had to worry about making a mortgage or car payment, how to pay the medical bills for a sick child or parent, and for sure he has never gone hungry. And people say, "Have respect for your president."
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmHAH! I have no respect for this loser of a human being, only contempt.
CAN HE GIVE US ONE REASON TROOPS WERE PULLED OUT OF DESERT STORM???
Comment by Loretta Dakfein
Bush Sr suffers premature withdrawal...?
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmConversation thugs
Hey Trolls. Spraying lies around is not ok even if it came from a vet or your pastor. For too long you have had your way as it is hard for decent people to carry on a conversation with thugs and bullies slamming all who dare to contradict a lie or ask any serious critical questions. Get used to loosing though as we have had enough. As far as all your hypocritical wining the only real response is “wa wa wa!â€
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmIf anyone doesn't think this performance is as low rent as a person could be, then they have as little dignity and class has slick Bill.
I guess there is no doubt that it was Bill himself that who wanted to have the "Path" TV show pulled, not his dregs.
He sounded like a Jr. High kid in a pre schoolyard fight. It's grim to see a full grown man loose his cool, but really bad when it's a former president. If he gets asked this question so much you think he would have a slick answer by now, instead of taking it so personal. I guess the great man is more then a little insecure and it shows.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 pm#415...Hey, Unbelievable...
No, no Kool-Aid. You are correct, I do think attacking Iraq, in hindsight, was not handled very well. Well, actually, let me clarify that...The initial invasion and military operation that deposed Saddam was handles VERY well...It was done quickly and successfully with a minimum of U.S military and Iraqi civilian casualties. The AFTERMATH of liberation, however, has not been handled particularly well (Although, I am not sure anymore what could have been done in the aftermath that would have made things in Iraq any different than they are today)....But I am still hopeful that things may indeed turn out well for the Iraqi people and that they may indeed create the democratic, tolerant civilized society envisioned by President Bush ... If that happens, he will indeed by known as the Great Liberator (I hope)...
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmNeocon: "Clinton did Zero to catch Bin Laden, “Path to 9/11≤ illustrated that."
The Three Bears did nothing to secure their belongings. "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" illustrated that.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pm#412, Zooey, honey....
Not a whiner....A WINNER, baby!
And that's why you love me!
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:09 pmIt's this kind of bitter partisanship that will be our downfall. We are at war with radical islam, but our energy is being misspent on *hateful* criticism and *divisive* partisanship! What our country needs _is_ *constructive* criticism and *rational* partisanship! Alas, my expectations seem much too high for our current political atmosphere that's full of childish rage. As far as I'm concerned, Clinton just assimilated himself into that atmosphere.
By the way, love the title of the site - "Think Progress." Too bad this article doesn't reflect that title better.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmBefore Rush Limbaugh the right wingers thought that the word Legacy was whether dead grandpa'left them a horse or two goats.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 pm[...] During his interview with Bill Clinton, Wallace insisted it was conducted in “good faith.†Well, here’s how the Fox News website is promoting the interview, scheduled to be aired tomorrow: [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmMike Wallace should grab his little punk ass bitch of a son and put the boots to him. Oh the shame Mike has to deal with. His son a shill for Chimpy.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:19 pmNot a whiner….A WINNER, baby!
And that’s why you love me!
Comment by Exley
No, I think my first assessment was correct. Whiner, it is.
I love you, sweetie darling, because you need it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:30 pmIt certainly proves that Chris Wallace is NO Mike Wallace.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pm446 & 447
Here's what Freedom of Speech means, it does not mean that you have freedom to say what ever you want anywhere. Idiot.
Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. Are you being censored? No.
Then shut up. (OK, now I'm trying to censor you, but only because you sound like an ass).
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:32 pmDon't blame the whores like Wallace they aren't reporters they're actors. Always remember the idiot box (visual and audio) was designed to sell products to more people. EVERYTHING that isn't a commercial including the NEWS is for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only, so you, the consumer will see what you need to have and must buy. The second was an afterthought.
Rupert Murdoch is buddies with Larry Silverstein they belong to the same republican jew club and they are as guilty as Bush for conspiring to take down two big money pit towers with Tuesday mornings loyal employees in it so that Israel can get what its getting now.
I just hope that somehow it all blows up in their faces.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:49 pmHi, Exley,
About your post in #453...
You are correct, I do think attacking Iraq, in hindsight, was not handled very well. Well, actually, let me clarify that…The initial invasion and military operation that deposed Saddam was handles VERY well…It was done quickly and successfully with a minimum of U.S military and Iraqi civilian casualties.
Without question, the invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam were handled very well. In fact, as these things go, they were handled about we well as could be expected, assuming they were necessary in the first place at all. Of course, they were not. One cannot deny that PNAC and its members had a lot to do with why we did it in the first place. They just needed to have an excuse to do it, so they fabricated one. The evidence is there that Saddam was not the threat they made him out to be, and since they wanted him removed even before they took office, it’s hard to argue that world events prior to the invasion made them do this. The attacks of 9/11 provided an excuse upon which they could fabricate their case for war (and fabricate they did). And other than to say that Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, let’s not go down the myriad of paths that could take us (especially the “path†in the movie.)
The AFTERMATH of liberation, however, has not been handled particularly well (Although, I am not sure anymore what could have been done in the aftermath that would have made things in Iraq any different than they are today)….
Well, here's where we disagree. You see, it absolutely could have been handled better IF the Secretary of Defense had listened to the advice his generals gave, which included sending in way more troops than they did in order to secure the peace afterwards. General Shinseki told Rumsfeld this, and for his troubles, his replacement was announced more than a year early (effectively ending his career, for all intents and purposes.) Not only should Rumsfeld's two resignations have been accepted, but he should have been fired several more times besides. Rumsfeld had this wild dream about turning our Armed Forces into a lean, mean fighting machine, and did not listen to anyone who said it wouldn't work here. And since reconstruction was assigned to Rumsfeld (and not Powell, as the State Dept traditionally handled these things), it was beset by even more bad management. Rumsfeld is just not that good a Defense Secretary. He got his job because of his decades-long friendship with the man who picked himself to be Bush's running mate, Dick Cheney; he wasn’t chosen because he was the best qualified, or particularly good at it.
But I am still hopeful that things may indeed turn out well for the Iraqi people and that they may indeed create the democratic, tolerant civilized society envisioned by President Bush …
While it’s good to hear you want the same things that we liberals want for the people of Iraq, I disagree that this is what Bush “envisioned†for them. I am in the camp that says the invasion of Iraq was done to give the American oil companies more access to Iraqi oil. That a “democratic, tolerant civilized society†might make that easier for them to accomplish this was just a bonus. Regardless of who ends up controlling Iraq (assuming it’s not us), no matter how much they support terrorism, the people in our government who think as bush does will make sure that Iraqi oil still goes through American oil companies. I honestly do not believe that bush gives a shit about the Iraqi people. During a Super Bowl party just before the invasion, someone had to explain to Bush that there is not “one Iraqi peopleâ€, and that there were differing groups there who really didn’t get along all that well unless someone was brutally stopping them from trying to hurt one another. It was highly unlikely that a “democratic, tolerant civilized society†would grow out of that.
If that happens, he will indeed by known as the Great Liberator (I hope)…Comment by Exley
I'm afraid it'll be a blistering hot winter in International Falls, MN before that happens, but maybe that's what the administration's global climate policy is designed to do.
Have a good day.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmdems take note, grow some balls and fight back. there are 30 million rightwing nuts goose stepping to the anti-christ ROVE and his organ monkey BUSH. 30 million people(monkeys base) who should be ashamed of them selves.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:02 pm#464...Hey Wayne....Just wanted to say hi. You said a lot there to which I'd like to respond. But it's a lazy Saturday and I am stretched out on the couch watching the Penn State-OSU game (Luckily for me the Mets-Nats game was the Fox Game of the Week here so I got to watch our boys win). Anyway, I am too tired to respond at length right now...I will later on...Say hi to Jane...Have a good weekend.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:09 pmHey Exley,
I guess itjust surprises me that you came this far but don't see the connection between Bush not having handled the invasion of Iraq well and Bush not handling much else well... Can you name anything that he has done well that isn't subjective? (Like Clinton's budget surplus) Just curious.
Personally, I think having a Moderate in the office of President is the prefered route. Because someone in the middle can listen to, and implement ideas from both sides of the fence - not just their extremist base who are largely keyboard warriors and religious snake-handling fanatics... : )
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:15 pmYou, too, Exley. Looking forward to hearing from you where I went wrong. :)
Enjoy your games with balls. :)
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:19 pmSome years back, when Chris Wallace was at NBC, he got annoyed at a member of the TV crew who kept calling him “Chris,†and told the crew member “Call me Mr. Wallace.†The crew member shot back, “Mr. Wallace works at CBS.â€
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:20 pmWhat about Leftwing anti-Christian Islamic loving Marxists computer geek losers?
Comment by Papa Smurf
Is that statement based on facts, or is it just the ad hominem attack it appears to be?
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 pm[...] More here. Glad I didn’t see it, to watch a tv newsreader laugh at a former president of the United States for bringing up inconvenient facts. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 pmI voted for hime!
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:46 pmDidn't vote for him either time, I, like Charles Barkley, was a Republican until they went crazy. I now hope Hilary runs and wins in 2008, if only to have Bill back in the White House. We need him now more than ever!
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:03 pmI'm not an American, but I like Clinton and his politics -- but that's not what I read from the transcript. What I read was really not written -- it's between the lines. It seems there's an agenda afoot to rewrite history and distract Americans from the present administration's failings. Feed disinformation to the populace and the result is confusion and doubts. The current administration is quite adept at taking advantage of confusion and doubts -- which only furthers the failing of a once great democracy.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:10 pmOh! Doesn't this just warm the cockles of your heart? Intelligence! As has already been said...it didn't even have to come through wires from KKKarl Rove! I can't believe the last elected President of the USA decided to go on Faux network though...although you can't get your message out anywhere but suck-up media nowadays anyway. Sigh............................
What I'd like to know is how come the Rethugs never screamed over and over and over again to Bush the Elder about why he didn't do something before the FIRST WTC attack? After all, Clinton was only in office a couple or three months when that happened...where was all the criticism of the former President then? No one minded handing responsibility for that over to Bill did they? But Duh-bya has 3 times as long to prepare, does nothing and fails miserably and neo-cons jump on Clinton! Go figure.
Commander Codpiece will go down in history as the stupidest, meanest, most dishonest pResident this country ever endured. And may I agree that Fredericks description is right on.
Thank you for Think Progress...where would we be without you?
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 pm...there’s an agenda afoot to rewrite history and distract Americans from the present administration’s failings...
Comment by Andy Dabydeen — September 23, 2006 @ 7:10 pm
a very astute observation... guess it's even easier to see from a distance...
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 pm...
many heare are hopeful that the once great democracy can be saved...
we're trying, anyway!
...
Note to Bill Clinton: You were too soft on Chris Wallace. You need to come out swinging man. These guys have done nothing but piss all over your reputation for the last 8 years- yeah that includes two that you were in office. Now they are going to try to scapegoat you with their failures? No f-in way! Team Bush/Cheney have fought too damn hard to create this albatross. They are gonna wear the damn thing until the end of the age, and frankly after the Monica sh-t that their people put you through, there's no one I'd like more to see make them wear it. Poetic Justice, frankly.
It's long past time for the dems. including yourself. to come out and defend yourselves actively. You know Bushes people are already working to rewrite history and this disney fiasco is just the first phase. Everyone thought it was amusing to watch Grover Norquist advocate and advance his Reagan fetish. Given current events, you can now see that the Reagan fetish was just the first trial run toward the process of manufacturing a culture of leader worship; dangerous in its implication and fundamentally unAmerican.
Bill, settle up with Al and get the team back together. We can't afford not to have you guys involved in the modern political scene. They managed to split you up and demoralize both of you. It's time to heal and get back up on the horse. There's a lot of love out here for both you guys.
The "conservatives" allow themselves to be represented by media and political figures who demonstrate a complete lack of morality as well as a profound lack of respect for the truth. There must be a price for this sophistry otherwise the American system has no value.
Bill, you may not know me, but you can google and find my vast history of comments on the web. If you want this supporter- use your digital savvy to locate me.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:51 pmThe problem with all these Bush apologists in that they have their heads so far up their anuses so long that they could not tell the truth if they defecated.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:20 pmOff topic -My concern. We have lost the Fox. We are chasing Clinton Vs. Wallace. In the mean time will GWB launch a war with Iran? I normally think I can predict what the pols will do--this one I am lost. This is most likely more important than Global Warming (which is super important). Either one can end life as we know it. How about a poll of all denizens of TP progs/trolls/libs/conserves/whatever and vote: will bubble boy pull the trigger?
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:24 pmClinton: All of President Bush’s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much. Same people.
He is right, see the following:
http://www.conservativeusa.org/wagdog.htm
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:27 pmOff topic: We have lost the fox. Instead of Clinton VS: Wallace will Bubble boy pull the trigger and attack Iraq. All denizens of TP vote. I can't make up my mind and this more important than even global warming.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:27 pmRats -double posted that one-thought I lost it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:29 pm"CLINTON: It was a perfectly legitimate question..."
So quit whining, losers.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:37 pmWe have lost the Fox. We are chasing Clinton Vs. Wallace. In the mean time will GWB launch a war with Iran?
Comment by Joefriday
ok - the proverbial face slap... you may be correct, joefriday...
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:38 pmjeeeeeez...
best be alert - they would love to use the diversion, especially one they did not intentionally direct...
aw jeeeesh...
great...for more news like this, check out http://thumbjig.blogspot.com The owner of the site has some great insight. I imagine they will post about it soon.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:31 pmI think Bill just showed the Dems and Progressives what we have to do to win this year and in 08. When he ran for president in 92 I was struck by :
1-His passion for people and issues
2-His Enormous Intellect
3-His ability to articulate ideas and goals for the Democratic Party and People.
4-His absoulute belief in the ideals and goodness and the Promise of our Great Country.
5-The fact that he could see Bullshit and call it for what it was.
6-His Fearlessness in engaging the Right Wing Attack Machine and Winning.
Its those two points that are so important now. We (Dems and fellow travelers) have stood mute and impotent on the sidelines for 6 LONG YEARS now. It has to stop! Bill Hhas given us the Blueprint for doing it. Attack, Attack, Attack! Don't let up, n ot for a second. Every time Rove and Company and Fox and their minnons spout their lies, hit back with the truth and facts. Because I think in the end we win. Why? Because the American People are finally coming to terms with what has happened. Call it "Buyers Remorse" if you want or any other term. A reckoning is coming and for the GOP it won't be pretty.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:37 pmEdit: I should have typed, "Its those last two points, especially that are so important now." My bad!
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:41 pmcould somebody please give me a ruling on this -- Hilary runs for president and she nominates BILL as her VICE-president. what's the legality on that?
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:50 pmPerfectly Legal. Whether the American People would go for it is a different matter. (Oh, I can dream though!)
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:04 pm[...] Transcript is here. Permalink [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:21 pmwoe is me we miss ya willie me lad.please help us get this idiot out of the wh.he's making me fricking nuts.i'd love to watch this interview but watching fox news gives me the high velocity scutters and makes me vomit at the same time.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:30 pmDamn Straight!!!
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 pmWe need more of this!
[...] Think Progress » FULL TRANSCRIPT: Clinton Takes On Fox News: WALLACE: Do you think you did enough sir? [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:58 pm[...] I think Bush should have been forced to watch this every morning, maybe then he would have finished the job in Afghanistan instead of wasting our time with Iraq. We have now passed the death toll from 9/11 US Casualties. And in December we will have been in Iraq longer than we were in World War II. How can anyone still believe that we should have went into Iraq. Clinton will be on Fox tomorrow, here is an excerpt from the interview,Clinton vs. Fox there is a link at the bottom to the entire interview. [...]
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 pmWay to go Bill,
Regardless of the Lewinsky B.S., this man was President of the United States, and he showed it. The fact of the matter, he went after Bin Laden, and although he did not get him, he still tried. Lest we forget Bush has yet to get him, with even more provocation to do so. It’s about time someone stood up to the bullying tactics by Bush or a Fox News.
I am so sick of their crap.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:18 amNothing like being called out on the mat by a real pro, and in the full public gaze, hey Faux? I mean, talking about an own goal.
Bwahahahahahahaha.
America, I got a lot of time for you (for jazz and Mac computers alone I am in your debt), and the rest of the world owes you a fair bit,... but you messed up real bad when you elected Ol' Georgie Boy over Al Gore, (and worse, then re-elected the vicious moron, there's just no excuses for the second time round). Al Gore was one of the most qualified people to ever run for the US presidency, and that lost opportunity is one of history's great 'What ifs'.
Your credibility around the world these days is lower than a rattler's belly, including amongst your friends, well, your allies.
Show us you still got it where it counts, and fix the problem properly, and promptly. We are all running out of time.
Your days as the world's unchallenged superpower are coming to an end. Let go of your imperialist fantasies gracefully, and learn your place, like the rest of us have to.
Have a nice day.
September 24th,