ThinkFast: September 22, 2006
ThinkFast: September 22, 2006
The “compromise” on detainee policy reached yesterday “means that U.S. violations of international human rights law can continue as long as Mr. Bush is president, with Congress’s tacit assent,” the Washington Post notes. ABC News reports that CIA Director Michael Hayden “praised the deal…that, in effect, would permit CIA interrogators to use harsh techniques critics call torture.”
A national black conservative group is “running a radio advertisement accusing Democrats of starting the Ku Klux Klan and saying the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican, a claim challenged by civil-rights researchers.”
Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf said former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage threatened to bomb Pakistan “back to the stone age” if it did not cooperate with the U.S. after 9/11. “I think it was a very rude remark,” Musharraf said.
Genocide update: Sudan’s army continues to bomb villages in Darfur, UN human rights workers report, “killing and injuring civilians, and driving hundreds of people from their homes.”
Meanwhile, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) introduced legislation in the House to bar companies receiving government contracts from doing business with Sudan.
$11 billion. The cost of implementing the Real ID Act over five years, according to a new report. “The days of going to the DMV and getting your license on the same day are probably over,” said one National Governors Association representative.
Stress on Guard and Reserve may worsen. “Strains on the Army from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have become so severe that Army officials say they may be forced to make greater use of the National Guard to provide enough troops for overseas deployments.”
1,137. The number of laptops lost by the Commerce Department since 2001. Hundreds “contained personal information.”
$4. Cost for a one month supply of certain generic drugs at Wal-Mart under a program the chain announced yesterday. It could mean significant savings for some consumers. But the special pricing only applies to “fewer than 150 products” which is only a small fraction “of the estimated 2,100 generic products available.”
And finally: No Spin Zone an Al Qaeda Free Zone? It is, at least according to federal law enforcement. Bill O’Reilly told Barbara Walters, “[T]he FBI came in and warned me and a few other people at Fox News that al Qaeda had us on a death list.” But one official responded, “I’m not aware of any FBI agents warning anyone at Fox News of their presence on any list.” “That sounds like absolute bulls**t to me – it’s typical O’Reilly,” added an exec from a rival cable news network.
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The “compromise” between the senate and the pres, as the press is calling it appears to me to be a Rove “good cop/bad cop” scheme. The Dem’s should just obstain from it, wash their hands and not debate torture. Also, this cannot be a retro active, post ipso facto, legalization of past torture. Article 1 section 9 of the constitution makes illegal any law acting in a post ipso facto manner. The whole notion of passing a bill to legalize past torture, is infact therefore, illegal.
Why do you call Musharraf President? He is a dictator of an islamic nation. Does anyone see the irony.
Barbara Lee’s bill should include those who do business with Iran, like halliburton.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:18 amSomebody failed their history classes: LBJ was well known for sending in the FBI, over the objections of the guy at the head of the FBI at the time, to take out the KKK.
The KKK itself, on founding was non-partisan and has since then been equally Republican and Democrat, with a greater emphasis on supporting figures who further its agenda based on individual platforms rather then party platforms.
Marting Luther King, was as far as anybody could tell non-partisan. He certainly wasn’t a Republican.
Of course, the facts do have a distinct liberal bias.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:19 amGood Morning all,………Please check out Common Dreams site…..Article written by Thom Hartmann..”Keep George out of Jail”.. All of us here have known about the illegal workings of this administration and the media to keep it under wraps but the vast majority of joe public does not…..Let’s get the word out…Write you’re editors and senators again please, we only have a few weeks untill another rigged election……..Blessings…..Peace
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:27 ambrad
Sorry man, if they legalise torture Bush will not be charged. The historic precedent is that while you cannot punish old behaviour with new laws, you can let someone off for past misbehaviour based on new laws. When the law changes it is supposedly to correct for something that was wrong with it before.
In this case the law is being changed to allow injustice. The Republicans have put their party before the state and in essence said that the president is more important then the law. They are wiping their asses with everything the founding fathers fought for and it is for you Americans to stop them, violently if need be. You don’t change the law because the president violated it, you change the president.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:27 amMcCain wussed out. Traitor to his fellow servicemen and country.
One other scary thing. “In the past week, Karl Rove has been promising Republican insiders an ‘October surprise’ to help win the November congressional elections,” reports Ronald Kessler for Newsmax.
I think I will be taking my vacation somewhere in the middle of nowhere those two weeks. Smear some lamb’s blood on your doors and hope for the best. The Angel of Death has promised a surprise.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 amBravo, Bruce,…………Now we need to get the word out and start the process..I am close to rioting against all polaticians at this point and especially the Dem’s for saying almost nothing during the law breaking..If there are any true conservatives left they should be in that bunch……Moderates on all sides seem to be gone and replaced with neocon wannabies or spinless enablers…This entire mess pisses me off to no end…. Blessings
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:37 amOn the lost computers, don’t forget that the Census Bureau is responsible for the American Communities Survey. For those of you who haven’t had to do the survey (you’re chosen at random by your address) – you have to:
-Provide your name and date of birth, demographic information
-Answer questions about your income (and provide the amount you make)
-Answer questions about your taxes (and record how much you paid last year)
-Answer questions about your physical and mental health
And, of course, the government of George W. Bush has made many efforts to expand this survey.
Don’t believe me, read it yourself — it’s truly intrusive.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 amIf somebody can find a link to the language of this “compromise,” please post it.
According to the linked articles, Bush can still use secret prisons, waterboarding and coerced testimony.
I am wondering, since both Bush’s bill and McCains deprived the detainies from claiming violations of the Geneva Convention, whether this “compromise” does as well. If so, Bush can violate the Conventions with impunity, since no one will be able to legally call him on it.
Based on what little has been released to the media thus far, I would urge a filibuster of this plan to place the U.S. as a law unto itself as regards international human rights.
Remember the McCarthy era? People were accused of being Communists, enemies of the State. They were black-listed, even jailed on the accusation. Now imaging the McCarthy era, compounded with coerced testimony: people being waterboarded until they named names, any names…we’re headed for another round of Salem Witch Trials here.
As revealed in the other articles about the awarding of government contracts, Loyalty to the Party will be the ultimate test, and the only means to maintain your livelyhood, and your life.
Pray that those who know the truth about the crimes of this Administration continue to come forth and bring documented evidence of Bush and Company’s crimes to the light of day.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:42 am“A nation reaps what it sows”
Chalmers Johnson, author of “Blowback”
When the shit hits the fan with fair play torture of US troops just remember to point finger at George W. Bush.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:45 amBriseadh na Faire, as alway’s a great post..Thank You! I remember, to well..Blessings
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:50 amI would also like to herald the efforts of the Hungarians. They discover that one of their MP’s is lying and do they blog about it? Get lathered up and text madly? No, they take to the streets and stoke the fears that if their representatives do not feel they are required to abide by the institutions, neither are they bound to wait until the next election for satisfaction. Their problem was a singular episode of poor ethical behavior on the part of a government official. What is our problem?
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 amThe “compromise†on detainee policy reached yesterday “means that U.S. violations of international human rights law can continue as long as Mr. Bush is president, with Congress’s tacit assent,†the Washington Post notes. ABC News reports that CIA Director Michael Hayden “praised the deal…that, in effect, would permit CIA interrogators to use harsh techniques critics call torture.â€
That’s no compromise, it’s a seduction. The picture in McCain’s attic just grew horns and boils.
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 amPakistan President Pervez Musharraf said former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage threatened to bomb Pakistan “back to the stone age†if it did not cooperate with the U.S. after 9/11. “I think it was a very rude remark,†Musharraf said.
Ya think…?
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:56 am$11 billion. The cost of implementing the Real ID Act over five years, according to a new report. “The days of going to the DMV and getting your license on the same day are probably over,†said one National Governors Association representative.
I won’t get a “Real ID.” Anyone else?
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:57 amkm4……I’m not into the finger pointing, not nearly good enough for this old woman…..I will be happy when the sound of the clanging jail house door is heard around the world, that we have jailed this entire bunch, it will be a good start to reclaiming our country…..Blessings
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 am1,137. The number of laptops lost by the Commerce Department since 2001. Hundreds “contained personal information.â€
How does this happen? I would think that after the 100th laptop has gone missing, they might look into the problem…maybe not let the laptops go home anymore, or tie the loss of a laptop to the security of their jobs. I’m probably just being silly…
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:02 amI’m with you on the” no ID,” Zooey…. This is just more BS to take our attention off the big issues while this bunch work to put all us against their madness in camps……Blessings..
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 amI doubt that the laptops were “lost”. More likely, permanently borrowed by their assigned users as a perk of the job.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 amAugust, 2006 – It ran on the 12th of August in mid-afternoon. The program detailed the history of the Ku Klux Klan in every respect but one. This one manipulation tells you the purpose of those running the History Channel, and clearly proves the oft-made charge that said location on the television spectrum is when needed nothing more than a propaganda tool for the modern Democrat Party of America.
When it is repeated, watch Ku Klux Klan: A Secret History with the following point in mind.
During the first half listen for the political affiliations of Klan members in the North. In Indiana, as well as other locales, you will frequently hear the word “Republican.” Then during the second half of this two hour ‘documentary,’ which features Klan activity in the South during the civil rights days of the Fifties, see if you can tell by the narrative which political party these Klansmen serve. Not even when they are marching in the streets of Birmingham, Alabama (”the city’s law enforcement was known for its working relationship with the Klan”) carrying signs castigating “Martin Luther Coon,” bombing black homes and businesses – and even churches – not during all of these references did I hear the program mention the politics of the Klan members and public and private supporters in the region during those days.
Know from this essay that they were Democrats. The entire South was Democrat in those days. It had been solid Democrat since the Republican, Lincoln, and the Republicans in both houses of Congress had ended slavery and gone to war, literally, against the Secessionists – Democrats to a man.
http://oregonmag.com/HistoryChannelAug06.html
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 amHead’s up…Bull shit to be on the tube in a few minutes. Yep! it’s just another Friday in bull shit bizarro land……Blessings
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:11 amRight Sharon,
I think we’re “tracked” more than enough in this country. I won’t give them the means to track me further.
*fingers waving at the NSA*
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 amSharon Cox you mean somethign like this…
Scenes We’d Like to See
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:19 amhttp://billmon.org/archives/001864.html
This is why Democrats will lose in Nov.
From CBS interview, ‘Musharraf also reveals an embarrassing episode in which former CIA director George Tenet confronted him in 2003 with proof that Pakistan’s top nuclear scientist was passing secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea.
Abdul Qadeer Khan, held as hero in Pakistan for helping to make the country a nuclear power, admitted giving away nuclear secrets in a televised confession in February 2004, exposing a global black market in nuclear technology.‘
you can call the bush administration evil and corrupt a thousand ways, maybe you’re right, but until you start acting like this is a new world with much more significant risks (yes, it started before bush), no one will trust democrats with defense of the country.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:22 amNo Spin Zone an Al Qaeda Free Zone? It is, at least according to federal law enforcement. Bill O’Reilly told Barbara Walters, “[T]he FBI came in and warned me and a few other people at Fox News that al Qaeda had us on a death list.â€
No Bill, you’ve got it wrong.
Al Qaeda + Bill O’Reilly = Best Friends For-ever!!
(heart) (smiley face) (heart) XOXOXOXOXO
Oh, Bill….where would you be without AQ…?
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:22 amPresident Bush’s war on terror is more effective against American political opponents in support of his corporate partners and financiers than it is in stopping terrorist attacks. Defeating terrorism was never the goal. The goal is perpetual rule and the defeat of its American challengers.
Osama, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, are all useful tools in this scheme that by every objective measure, has failed to protect the American People.
On issues of human dignity so vital to the moral basis of our efforts around the world and in the name of all Americans, Bush publicly advocates for torture removing all doubts about the connection between America and Abu Ghraib.
Bush spends more time on election politics, digging into the records of innocent Americans, breaking American law, and violating our rights, and the Constitution, than he does in all the wars he has started.
Bush uses election politics to justify detaining people based on suspicion, without charge, contact with their families, legal representation, even the right to know their charges and for that they are routinely tortured.
Apparently using the same tactics as the terrorists causes no unease and are the standards President Bush invites the rest of the world to adopt; thereby turning America into that for which so many Americans have fought and died to oppose.
Instead of filling the void and proudly proclaiming American principles and values, Democratic leaders chose to let Republicans do their job. Watch out! The Democrats, after taking the back seat on a signature world issue, will be smeared again as weak on terrorism, by a bill they will vote for and Bush originally opposed.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:23 amSuvorov
So in other words, the history channel did a special on the Ku Klux Klan, named a few Republicans who the Klan supported, but no Democrats and this proves that the KKK were Democrats? Sheesh you Republiklan Logik is ass-tounding!
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:26 amIf somebody can find a link to the language of this “compromise,†please post it.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
If you find it first, please post it. Thanks.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:28 amScenes We’d Like to See
Comment by km4
No km4, that’s a scene I would LOVE to see. :)
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:30 amMaybe the Dems didn’t start the KKK, but they sure as hell supported it. Face it people, the Democratic Party was the party of racial bigotry in the first half of the 19th century. That tradition lives on in the persons of Southern Bourbons like Robert Byrd.
Both parties survive by serving the interests of tiny minorities. If they let the people have their way, they’d be out of jobs. By supporting racism, the Democrats kept blacks and poor whites, who had common interests, out of the process. That’s why JFK & LBJ were so reluctant to pass civil rights legislation, and, when it finally was passed, it was weak. The Civil Rights Bill of ‘64 accomplished little, and the Voting Rights Act of ‘65 could have been a lot stronger.
It’s called “Divide and Conquer”.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:33 amGreat photo site km4, Yep! that would make me happy….Good post’s all…Blessings
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:33 amDid you miss this? Posted on rawstory.com
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:38 am
… sam sedar has a new name for him: john “McCave”…
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:39 am#29, and yet after those two bills were passed, where did the bigots go…? Follow the bouncing Strom Thurmond….
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:40 amMassachusetts_Liberal
JFK and LBJ Reluctant? What drugs are you on boet?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/lj36.html
When that civil rights legislation was the first thing he did, I can’t help but think you are full of shit calling him reluctant.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:42 amOrval Faubus, DEMOCRAT Governor of Arkansas from 1955-1967. KKK MEMBER
Hugo Black, DEMOCRAT Supreme Court Justice (appointed by FDR) KKK MEMBER
Robert Byrd, DEMOCRAT U.S. Senator KKK MEMBER
David Duke, DEMOCRAT (he later switched parties, twice, and now lives in Ukraine, where he is an activist anti-Semitic college professor) U.S. Representative. RENOWNED RACIST
George Wallace, DEMOCRAT Governor of Alabama for four terms. RENOWNED RACIST who recanted when he was shot and paralyzed as retribution for his views.
Tom Clark, DEMOCRAT Attorney General under FDR (his son is communist Ramsey Clark) KKK MEMBER
Harry S. Truman, DEMOCRAT President applied for Klan membership but withdrew application because the KKK discriminated against Catholics (Tom Pendergast, boss of the corrupt Kansas City machine and Truman’s political sponsor, was Catholic.)
Woodrow Wilson, DEMOCRAT President showed the KKK film Birth of a Nation in the White House and told his countrymen that “the sad part is that it was all so true.â€
William McAdoo, DEMOCRAT Presidential candidate and son-in-law of DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson, was supported in his campaign by the KKK
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:45 amPenkovsky, don’t be obtuse. Many of those Dixiecrats would soon leave the Democrat party for the Republican party because Democrats were advocating civil rights. Moron.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:55 amThis is why Democrats will lose in Nov.
From CBS interview, ‘Musharraf also reveals an embarrassing episode in which former CIA director George Tenet confronted him in 2003 with proof that Pakistan’s top nuclear scientist was passing secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea.
Abdul Qadeer Khan, held as hero in Pakistan for helping to make the country a nuclear power, admitted giving away nuclear secrets in a televised confession in February 2004, exposing a global black market in nuclear technology.‘
you can call the bush administration evil and corrupt a thousand ways, maybe you’re right, but until you start acting like this is a new world with much more significant risks (yes, it started before bush), no one will trust democrats with defense of the country.
Comment by paul — September 22, 2006 @ 10:22 am
Sometimes it right to point out sheer stupidity and this is just one of those cases. For your information, Paul, Pakistan is our “ally”. Pakistan has the bomb. Pakistan created the Taliban (remember those guys?). So what did Bush do? Yeah, he attacked Iraq. Makes a lot of sense, huh? And that makes us safe how? They probably don’t mention this on Fox News, so you probably don’t realize that the Taliban now controls half of Afghanistan (remember that hotbed of terrorism?). And diverting most of our military effort to Iraq helps us how?
Paul, nobody but you, Karl Rove, and the other Bushbots are claiming that the Democrats think the world is a safe place. To the contrary, most Democrats want to tackle the real threats, not the made up threats. Your need to resurrect this obvious straw man is pathetic.
Idiot.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:58 amKweisi Mfume’s son now backs the Republican Senate candidate in Maryland. Given Howard Dean referring to blacks as mere hotel workers, then Hill’reh embracing hispanics as the “true faces of America” and Juan Williams book “Enough”, it appears that you have successfully alienated yet another block of Democratic supporters. Blacks are finally understanding how Republican strategies are the true answers to their problems, and the Dem policies just keep them locked down in a utterly dependent condition within the Dem Party.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:00 amPaul,
In addition to my previous remark (calling you stupid and an idiot, if you recall), let me add this comment specifically about the global black market in nuclear technology: in the past five years, the Bush administration has done absolutely nothing worthwhile in radiation detection for port security, despite repeated calls from security experts to do just that. The ability to intercept smuggled nuclear materials is absolutely critical to our safety, and in response the Bush administration has actually cancelled research programs devoted to radiation detection. They have bought a small number of expensive detectors that have proved totally useless (does anyone smell a crony contract in there?). They don’t give a damn about port security, and at this point it wouldn’t suprise me if they are actually hoping for a terrorist attack to boost their political fortunes. It has been three years since a Democrat, Charles Schumer, called for legislation to fund aggressive research programs in radiation detection, legislation that has gone nowhere under the Republicans.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:08 amMore high comedy from Hendler. Tell me, Hendler, how many black votes did Bush get in 2000 and 2004? And how will this be helped by the recent surge in racist remarks by Republicans? Yeah, I expect them to start voting for Republicans any day now…any day now….any….day…..now……
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:13 amLets put the argument this way: Republicans have to bring up guys who left the Democrats decades ago during the Dixiecrat exodus or who died long before then, to come up with something to make the Democrats look like a bunch of racists.
Democrats just have to point out that Pat Buchanan is a Republican.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:23 am#39, in fact Real, the Busheviks have done even less than nothing – they have actively opposed the world attempting to do something about it.
Add to that driving an ICBM through the NPT by signing a nuclear cooperation agreement with NPT bad-boy India….the world is going to get a lot more dangerous in the next 5 years, thanks to the policies of this idiotic administration.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:26 am“On first impression it certainly looks like the White House and the McCain/Warner/Graham faction have done an admirable job of working out their differences. Early predictions that the President was getting rolled seem to have been greatly exaggerated. And the McCain bloc got its principles validated without disabling the CIA program, which they have always maintained was not their intention. The good news is that 95 percent of the problem has been resolved: there will be military commissions, the CIA interrogation program will continue, and intelligence methods and sources will be rigorously protected.
We should all stay tuned for the fine print and through the continuing debate, but it sure looks like the President stood his ground.” NRO
Let’s all hope this is true.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:27 am#19
Comment by Suvorov
Yes many of those politicians in the South during Segregation were Democrats. Or properly put they were refered to as the Dixiecrats. They were expelled from the Democratic Party and accepted into the welcome arms of the Republicans where they have flourished. Telling only half the story does no one any good.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 amCheck your history Bruce. JFK didn’t do a thing to further civil rights legislation until he was forced to. He came into office talking about a moon landing and fighting communism. I’m far more liberal than most, but the truth is the truth. What did the Great Society accomplish? We have a minimum wage that’s a povery level wage. We have more poor people than ever. Public education is a mess. LBJ & JFK and virtually all other Democrats were and are phony liberals.
We’ll never get anywhere until we wake up to the fact that the Democratic Party is an obstacle to the progressive agenda. It couldn’t even beat an unpopular George Bush in 2004! (Yes, I know, Kerry actually won, but he should have won in a landslide.) And what about 2006? The Dems are making absolutely no noise. They should be having a field day after the Iraq War debacle, Katrina, domestic spying, Valerie Wilson career assassination, torture……But they might not even win a majority in the House! And that’s with most of the country agreeing with them! What does that tell you? (They don’t want to win.)
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:37 amLet’s all hope this is true.
Comment by Exley — September 22, 2006 @ 11:27 am
Yes, let the torture begin!
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:37 amJason—
How, exactly, do GOP policies actually help the poor and minorities?
The growth in billionaires is partially a result of recent tax cuts that clearly favor the rich – and while that can lead to greater philanthropy, it also leads to a massive accumulation of wealth by a very small number of people (most of whom are white).
The GOP-led Congress has cut funding for education and programs that help those on the lower end of the economic scale – While money doesn’t always lead to better education as far as public schools go, cutting funding for higher education means fewer of those less financially fortunate can attend college. How does that help?
Social programs have also been cut – Granted, keeping someone on welfare doesn’t help at all. But if you pay attention, most Dems are for limits to these programs, while most Neocons are for simply cutting them off cold turkey. Again, tell me how that helps.
Manufacturing jobs have all but disappeared – there was a time when a good job at a factory could propel a family out of poverty and into the middle class. But thanks to GOP measures that encourage companies to send those jobs offshore, there is a new generation that simply cannot find a decent enough job to get ahead.
Let’s review:
The GOP-led Congress has managed to send jobs overseas that could help Americans rise out of poverty.
This means that education is the best way to improve one’s economic condition.
Yet the GOP-led Congress has cut funds available for lower income Americans to attend college.
And instead of actually cutting taxes for middle- and lower-income Americans to a point that makes a difference, the GOP-led Congress has cut taxes that only truly benefit the wealthy.
So how, exactly, do Republican policies help answer the problems of those who aren’t already well off?
I ask because the facts simply don’t come ANYWHERE near to matching your comment.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:40 amI don’t recall that any of the high-profile Democrats listed in my post above were ever expelled from the Democrat Party.
You’re lying.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 amWill the USA have a state religion? [raw story link]
Comment by Doug — September 22, 2006 @ 10:38 am
i sure wish the raw story link had been “more secular”… in a search to find a link to pass along to those in my address book, i went to google news and searched with these key words: “Evangelical chaplains,military ceremonies” (from the r.s.link)…
like the story from the r.s.link, most of what i found seem to be of the editorial/opinion type… here are 2 sides of the story, that i’ve read:
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/wb/xp-83584
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52009
a mostly fair and balanced report from:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200609/CUL20060921b.html
and a link to the NYT editorial the raw story link referenced:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/21/opinion/edbill.php
the religious right is sure hell bent on making trouble, it seems…
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 am…
I can easily see how the computers disappear. Employees take them home, they move to a new job and don’t return the computer. Or perhaps they move to a new department and take their computer with them. Then inventory time comes along and a computer for department A is listed as missing because the employee too it to department B. Mean while Department B does not count the computer because it is not looking for that one. This could be the scenario for at least some of the missing machines. Others could have been wiped and sold or destroyed, but not taken off the inventory. SO when a physical inventory is taken, the computer which has been sold or destroyed is no longer there, so it is listed as missing. I’ll bet some of these machine turn up that way. I’m trying to give some benefit of the doubt here. Of course we may just find that loyalists were allowed to take what they wanted.
#19,#35 Democrats yes, in Name. But these guys and most of the south have been deeply conservative all along, they are about as far from liberal as you can get in our country.
#31 Doug, regardless of what they slip in if it is un constitutional, it is unconstitutional. Just because congress passes a law or agrees to something with the president it does not make it legal.
Jason Jason Jason. Katrina showed the world exactly what the right thinks of Blacks. From the non-response by the government (too little too late) to the viciousness of the rightwing talk radio and news outlets. It’s out there for all to see. Toss on top of that the republican party stance on immigration and why they have that stance. Officially they talk about keeping American Jobs for Americans. And following the rules of law for immigration, or terrorism and immigration etc… But when you read some of the stuff they talk about, in particular their fear of having non-white majorities in Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico etc… it becomes apparent that they fear brown people ruling them. All I can say is they fear this perhaps because they have been ruling the brown people unfairly and are afraid that there may be payback? Otherwise why fear it?
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 amIn 1870, at the height of the Klan’s terrorism, President Grant instigated an investigation into the Ku Klux Klan. The following year a Grand Jury reported that:
“There has existed since 1868, in many counties of the state, an organization known as the Ku Klux Klan, or Invisible Empire of the South, which embraces in its membership a large proportion of the white population of every profession and class. The Klan has a constitution and bylaws, which provides, among other things, that each member shall furnish himself with a pistol, a Ku Klux gown and a signal instrument. The operations of the Klan are executed in the night and are invariably directed against members of the Republican Party.â€
Many whites were attacked and many killed by the KKK for the crime of being Republican. Of course many more blacks were also attacked and lynched. But by and large they were targeted not so much for being black but for being black Republicans. The Klan did everything it could to stop the Republican Party in the South. This entailed preventing blacks from exercising their new freedoms, especially their right to vote—because they were worried they would vote for the Republican Party. Defeating the GOP and its agenda of equal rights for blacks was always job one with the KKK.
http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=597
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:56 am#49
Nothing I said was a lie. Just because you think it is does not make it so. Your no bushie. I did not address your tiny little list specifically.
Your an idiot. And yes its true ’cause I think its so.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:57 amMass. Lib….Good point’s, I’ve wondered about that my self….Note in some of my previous post’s I have screamed about the Dem’s doing nothing and how often they have been inabelers and voted against us and the country along with the Rep’s……I am realy dissapointed with the present defening silence by the majority of the Dem. party…Their thinking has been stated as watching while the Rep’s self distruct….That policy has made our country a dictatorship by default and bush design……
I keep wondering what the hell are they afraid of.? Their own little power trips and self intrests or are they all in support of this total take over of our country and waiting for their shot’s at a future presidency of the same….Scary thought’s indeed, but untill I see more like Finegold I am not a follow the leader of the Dem’s or any one else…..I’m with the informed voter class that say’s show me the fact’s and follow the money. 45 year’s of working for the Dem’s and now only a few are worthy has made me very skeptical……Blessings
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:57 am#52,
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 pmPenkovsky,
You do realize that over the years the ideals of the political parties has changed over the years. You are talking about the Grant times. Get a freakin’ grip. The republican Party looks nothing like the party it was in grant’s time. Either does the Democratic Party. Stay with the present. You don’t seem to handle the past very logically.
Can’t be because the voting population of the nation voted against the left/progressive ideology. Or lack thereof.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:04 pm#51 – 19th century history makes precisely what point about today’s Republican and Democratic parties…? I can’t think of a good reason to continue reading your posts.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 pmPenkovsky
What has the Republican party done for ANY minority (except the 2% of Americans who are ultra rich) in the last 50 years?
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:08 pmYour words, dlet, speak for themselves, and loudly they scream, “I’m a semi-literate adolescent and should be ignored!.”
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:08 pmThere’s an old saying that a gaffe is what results when a politician inadvertently tells the truth. By that standard, then, the Republican Party must be confessing its deeply held beliefs when it comes to race. After all, despicable racial slurs like Arnold Schwarzenegger’s lecture on black and Latino blood and George Allen’s MacacaGate are only the latest signs that racial bigotry is not the exception in the GOP, but perhaps the rule itself.
For the details, see:
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:10 pm“GOP Presents: The Amazing Race Card.”
Massachusetts_Liberal
Read up a bit on your history boet, because by the sounds of it you don’t know shit. Read up on what was happening before LBJ and tell me the guy did nothing, for crap sakes he sent the army into the South. A major part of his election platform was civil rights, and it is one of the things held massively in his favour by most historians.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:11 pmPenkovsky, WTF is all this ? #52…..This is not 1870 and I personaly don’t need some bs crap about this now, if I want to know about 1870 I will get history books and google it……It’s Sept.22, 2006…Move on ….”We did then what we knew how to do, now we know better we can do better” …Mia Anjelo
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 pmYou can replace Sudan by US and Darfur by Baghdad, anytime.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 pmIt’s Maya Angelou, sweetheart. But a communist by any name, as I’m sure you’re unaware.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:17 pmBut by and large they were targeted not so much for being black but for being black Republicans. Comment by Penkovsky
OK, let me say this: Ha ha ha ha! Funniest post.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmBut a communist by any name, as I’m sure you’re unaware.
Comment by Penkovsky
Why would that be wrong?
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:20 pmTalk about deja vu: Some idiot Republican (redundant, I know) makes an outrageous claim–in this case, about MLK being a Republican–and what do the Democrats do? They whip out their history books and begin citing facts. If ever a statement made by a Republican demanded a massive outcry of righteous indignation from progressives, it’s this one.
How would a man who preached racial harmony support a party whose hold on power is based on appealing to white Southern racists? How would a man who preached peace support a party that invades another country just for the oil? How would a man who preached human dignity support a party that wants to do to brown foreigners what the KKK did to brown Americans–imprison, torture, humiliate, and intimidate.
What’s so angering is that the mainstream media is reporting the disguisting Republican advertisement with its usual “objectivity”–giving equal weight to both facts and out-and-out Republican propaganda. This cowardliness of the press is a direct result of a decades-long conservative strategy of browbeating the media and claiming liberal bias. What we’ve got now is conservative bias, but with no concerted campaign on the left to loudly decry it.
One of the things that the right does so well is monitor the media for outrageous claims made by even the most obscure crackpot on the left. Once they get some drug-addled ex-hippy to spout out some outrageous claim, they announce it to the nation through talk (make that “shout”) radio and from there to Fox News, where for weeks the dittoheads present the crackpot as representative of the entire progressive movement.
The “MLK was a Republican” statement is a perfect opportunity for progressives to do the same. Since we can’t count on the mainstream media to do the job for us (there is no progressive version of Fox), it’s up to the nation’s most prominent progressives to do the job, including Democratic politicians.
We can preach to the choir all we want, but it’s not going to advance the progressive cause any unless the message makes it over the fence.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:23 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou
Funny I didn’t see any mention of her political leanings, and I am sure being a communist what with the stigma attached to that status, would have been mentioned quite prominently… well I guess I shouldn’t take the word of an idiot who thinks we are still in the 1800’s on the political leanings of civil rights protesters now should I?
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:24 pmCOMPRIMISE?
When one side says the Geneva Conventions must be changed and the other side says they can not be changed… there is no way to compromise!!!
Compromise = Change = Capitulation to Bush!!!
Specter, McCain, and Graham are all lapdogs… they are not interested in actual oversight – but instead are only interested in creating the illusion of oversight.
They are continually on the news making public challenges to the Presidents policies… they hype up the confrontation for a couple of weeks… and then they quietly pass a bill under the guise of COMPRIMISE which is a complete capitulation to the Presidents position.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 pm#54 I beg to differ. Back in grants day the republican party was absolutely corrupt and they still are to this day. Back then they would use the government in anyway they could to achive personal gain, which is exactly what they are doing today. Personal gain at the expense of the country that is.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 pmGood time to point out that after the tax cut the IRS took in record Taxes. And what exactly should the government do for ANY minority? Promote less work and more welfare. Best thing Clinton did was Welfare reform. Maybe take all that back so folks don’t have to work unless they want to make something of themselves. But not too successful. Or you become evil and pay more taxes because you somehow lose any morality..
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 pmMan is the only rationalizing animal and Republicans are very manly.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 pm70
How about protect their rights to free expression of opinion, freedom of assembly, freedom to pursue happiness? How have the Republicans been faring on these in recent years – for the minority and the majority?
I sure hope the IRS took in record taxes – with the high cost of the war in Iraq, pork barrell politics, corruption, paying for propoganda, etc – we’re going to need it.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:34 pmIsn’t insulting a group of people linked by an ideal……worng?
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 pm#63, Thank You sooooooo very much for the spelling correction….And here’s a back at ya moment…..You’re as full of shit as a christmas goose….Be gone.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:37 pmMark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_Grant
He is commonly on any real historians “Worst ten” in the way of American presidents.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:56 pmI won’t get a “Real ID.†Anyone else?
Comment by Zooey
Neither will I. Last time I checked, this was still America, Land of the Free. They can take their “Real IDs” (which are neither) and shove them.
September 22nd, 2006 at 1:16 pmThe “compromise†on detainee policy reached yesterday “means that U.S. violations of international human rights law can continue as long as Mr. Bush is president, with Congress’s tacit assent,†the Washington Post notes. ABC News reports that CIA Director Michael Hayden “praised the deal…that, in effect, would permit CIA interrogators to use harsh techniques critics call torture.â€
Silly me, and I thought that International Law trumped US Law. Our Congress cannot exempt the president from international law. Whether these conservatives like it or not, you can’t be part of a “global community” if you’re not willing to abide by the laws that community sets for its members. The idea that “Americans are answerable to no one but America” is a ridiculous one if you want to be part of a global community.
September 22nd, 2006 at 1:22 pm#19 Suvorov,
It is pointless to look at what political party people were in years ago and compare them to today’s political parties. The parties have changed over the years. Just because someone who was a democrat did something racist does not mean that the Democratic Party is racist any more than it is fair to say that the Republican Party is racist. A lot of racists find a home in the Republican Party, but so do a lot of non-racists. So party affiliation, especially so many decades ago, is meaningless.
What matters is that whether they were Republicans in the north or Democrats in the south, they were conservatives, not liberals. Party affiliation is meaningless; ideology is what matters. The Ku Klux Klan was not founded by liberals.
September 22nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmRecord Taxes? Are they record when compared with inflation pared out of the figures? Did you know the IRS changed their estimate reules so more must come upfront? Also did you see that the oil companies are taking in record profits, therefore they will be paying in much more in estimated taxes? Also did you know that many tax cuts enacted over the last few years have phased out over the last year? Looking at raw dollar amounts is disingenuous when you don’t include everything in the debate.
September 22nd, 2006 at 1:31 pmTechnically that Black “conservative” (yecch!) group is right…
…but what they so cleverly leave off is the part where…
…the Democrats they’re talking about (mostly southern confederate traitors)…
…switched to become the Repulsivescam Party we are being occupied by today…
…because of Johnson’s signing of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts…
…that being said…
…those Black “conservative” step-n-fetchit, integrationist, al Cracka wannabe NEGROES…
…are TRAITORS to their race, their forefathers/mothers who DIED and shed blood for them to be free, and their country…
…just like their “conservative” white counterparts…
September 22nd, 2006 at 1:51 pmI see I’m onto something, as I knew I was.
Duly noted, Mr. Site Administrator. Duly noted.
September 22nd, 2006 at 2:18 pmYou mean that’s a red under my bed? I thought it was a dust bunny…
September 22nd, 2006 at 2:46 pmspeaking of which:
Ed Rogers to African Americans: Yes we were racists–join my party
September 22nd, 2006 at 2:47 pmBy: John Amato on Friday, September 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 AM – PDT
Talking about having it both ways. Republican strategist Ed Rogers, was critiquing a disgusting Republican ad on “Hardball” Thursday, and says that while he’s from Alabama and it’s all so true—Black voters should join his party anyway because they have a big tent.
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/22/ed-rogers-to-african-americans-yes-we-were-racists-join-my-party/
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…heard on randi – pass it on :
…longing for the days when the only thing bush tortured
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:19 pmwas the english language…
Woo – posts keep disappearing….none of mine I think, but definitely some…
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:21 pmStill no luck finding the text of the “compromise.” Why is this language being kept off the public information highway?
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:27 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:35 pmArmitage owes Gen Curtis LeMay some royalties…
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:38 pmI still don’t know all of the details of the so-called compromise, but it looks to me that Bush is going to be allowed to continue as per usual for the remainder of his term, with Congress looking the other way.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:59 pmThey are not rewriting the Geneva Convention articles, but they are allowing his notorious executive orders to prevail.
This seems to be an almost complete cave in to Bush&Co.
The world is watching us.
BnF
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:17 pmTry this link for additional interpretation of the compromise from the NYT, WaPo and Atty. Greenwald. It appears to be as we thought.
Caligula Bush is going to be allowed to carry on.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20060922_interrogation_bill_allows_torture/
So…. CNN says 300 prescription drugs for $4
USA today says 150 prescription drugs for $4
I bloody hate the media.
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:09 pmSo… CNN says 300. USA Today says 150. Make up your bloody minds media.
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:11 pmHey, thinkprogress. Love the site, always have. But you messed up on reading the wal-mart article.
Target is only offering 150 $4 drugs. Wal-mart has 291. (Which is 1/7 of their drugs. Not horrendous.)
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:18 pmSorry for my 4th comment in a row. But you’re right. I misread the article.
Keep up the good work!
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:57 pmI believe I have found the text of the “compormise”
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./temp/~c109AfeZNH:e296:
Note:
and
The President will have dictatorial powers in certain areas:
Finally, a definition of Torture the NeoCons and Evangelical Christians can live with:
Note that the term `serious physical pain or suffering’ in A above is not defined in the bill. However if the provisions defining the term for B above apply, then techniques which do not cause bodily injury will be permissible, ergo, stress positions, waterboarding, microwaving, plasma weapons, all designed to cause excruciating pain without bodily injury.
Confessions obtained through these methods will be admissible to put a person to death, whether it is a self-confession, or evidence obtained by another coerced to name names.
Appeal will be limited to questions of law, not evidence. This bill takes us back to the “good old days” of the Spanish Inquisition and the the Tower of London.
This bill was introduced:
September 22, 2006
Mr. MCCONNELL (for himself, Mr. FRIST, and Mr. WARNER) introduced the following bill; which was read the first time pursuant to the order of September 21, 2006, as modified on September 22, 2006
Frankly, I fail to see much of a “compromise.”
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:25 amsorry, the above link won’t work. Try http://thomas.loc.gov/, search “military commissions” then hit the link to S 3930 IS.
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