VIDEO: Clinton Sets The Record Straight On Terrorism, Smacks Down Fox News
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VIDEO: Clinton Sets The Record Straight On Terrorism, Smacks Down Fox News
Here’s the key portion of the Fox News Sunday interview with President Clinton. He sets the record straight on his efforts to combat terrorism, the Bush administration’s record and the tactics of Fox News. Watch it:
We fact-check Wallace’s claim that he asked Bush administration officials tough questions about their pre-9/11 efforts to combat terrorism here, here and here.
Transcript here.
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OK, if you accept FOX’s evaluation that Osama bin Laden is Clinton’s fault, how does one explain Bush’s failure in Iraq?
September 24th, 2006 at 10:01 amI couldn’t wait to catch this this morning. Wallace is a disgrace. I wonder what his dad thinks of him? Probably not much.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:04 amAmerica’s Least Wanted
Notice how they reordered the questions when they replayed the interview this morning?
September 24th, 2006 at 10:04 amWow. They lead into the interview with a statement that Falwell says Lucifer wouldn’t energize the GOP base as much as H. Clinton in 1998.
Really nice.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:05 amif other dems would just take the goddam hint…
i share pachacutec’s view, but it’s getting harder and harder to keep the ol’ chin up…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
September 24th, 2006 at 10:07 amPriceless. Every time I see or hear Clinton speak (and even #41, to his credit) I’m reminded what a real President should sound like. How do we get one of those again?
September 24th, 2006 at 10:10 amdamn chris got pwned!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:14 amIt’s just nice to see a democrat with a spine, who will simply not accept the tradiotional dress down from FOX.
This was classic Clinton, finger pointing, moving forward and poor ol’ Wallace felt so little he had to revert to nervous laughter.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:15 amThe only thing I can say is:
Kick. Ass.
!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:15 amOMG - I have just witnessed the first half and Clinton was awesome. Going back for the second half. Looks like they did not cut a thing!!!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:19 amClinton needs to do more of this and hold a retreat for the failed Democratic leadership……
The Democratic National Committee called me yesterday to ask for a donation. They called because I have given often in the past. I said, your time is up. You have failed…… and Harry Reid is NO leader. I am outraged and down. Now my taxes have to pay for waterboarding unless I turn my whole life upside down and go to jail for not paying them. We’ve been punked folks.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:19 amThe Democratic elite “leadership” in Washington are suffering from Stockholm syndrome or “save your cushy meal ticket disease” at the expense of the Americans that elected them to represent them. They are also traitors having failed to protect our Constitution. Shame on them and shame on the Americans that voted for our current president and his dispicable cohorts. A country that doesn’t know that torture is wrong, is lost.
Good post, s,……..What we need is to take back one of our houses, put an end to this dreadful cabal in our administration and jail all the wrong doers………Blessings
September 24th, 2006 at 10:32 amWow. Clinton bitch slapped that whiny cretin like a stray dog.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:38 ambeautiful smackdown!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:39 amFormer Pres. Bill Clinton knows how to defend himself, but he has NOT explained WHY he and Hillary help the Bush Regime? And WHY Hillary in particular defends the occupation of Iraq and desires war on Iran to please Israel? My fellow Democrats would be wise to choose someone other than Sen. Hillary Clinton to be the Dem presidential nominee in 2008!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:40 amClinton showed why he won the Presidency twice. He will not take their crap. All Democrats should watch this interview over and over again. Je also tore Wallace a neww one. In the second half of the interview, Wallace acted like a puppy dog at the get of his master.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:41 amWhat an incredible performance.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:43 amDear Democrats:
This is what a politician with a spine looks like. Please attempt to emulate this as much as possible.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:48 amWhere does that twit Wallace get the idea that he can intrerrupt a former president when he’s answering a question?
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September 24th, 2006 at 10:51 amClinton >> Wallace
September 24th, 2006 at 10:51 amThe report put out by the 9/11 Commission was NOT a non-partisan publication. It first was edited by the White House before being made available to the public. This is the truth and the truth hurts all of us.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:51 amThis thread is running well and reason seems to rule here!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:52 amThough not a “real” Clinton fan, I am MOST APPRECIATIVE of his strength as he once again steps into the breach while the rest of our “so-called DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP” tiptoes somewhere beyond the “fringes of power” afraid to even “spit” in the direction of “CORPORATE AMERICA” and their mercenary fellow travelers!
Give ‘em HELL, Big Dog! You are the biggest and dam near the “onliest” gun us poor folk have got!
Personally, I think that Chris Wallace has to be called on his disrespect in speaking to the Pres. Clinton.
Clinton did a good job, but he has every right to demand that respect, especially from Fox and that whiny Wallace.
September 24th, 2006 at 10:53 amHere we see the clear difference between an intelligent, articulate, informed former president and a sycophantic, ideological, pandering, media whore!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:57 amI can see Wallace getting kudos from his co-workers at Faux. “Good job Chris! Boy you really got Ole Bill antsy!” Faux will spin this as Bill was out of control and confrontational towards poor Chris who is a journalist ask the tough questions “the people” want asked. Chris will probaly get promoted for this…Sort of like Tenet getting the freedom medal!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:58 am…a little off topic, but i just heard McCave on facethenation… he was asked a question about a remark made by fallwell, a comparison of hillary to satan… oh, that was a joke… he was joking…
September 24th, 2006 at 10:58 am…
Whenever my husband called Bill Clinton “Lying Bill” I told him, there would come a time when everybody wished to have Bill Clinton back in office. This time has come right after he has left office, at least over here in Europe. Do Americans really know what they have lost? Someone who worked hard, asked questions, argued points with his staff allegedly for hours to get to the bottom of a problem. Someone who was liked and well respected by political leaders around the world. An intelligent, charming man, whose weaknesses didn’t affect the way he ran the office, but were accentuated out of any proportion by his political foes.
God doesn’t create many men like that. Choose well next time!
September 24th, 2006 at 10:58 amThis was an excellent example of how the FOX mind works, and how it can be shot down by someone who is too intellingent and not afraid to spar with such disgraceful “journalism.”
September 24th, 2006 at 11:01 amChris Wallace is very much like his father, who used to do the same type of sniper attacks on guests when Mike had a live TV talk show in the early 1960s. I remember watching Burt Lancaster walk off the set after telling Mike Wallace, “I thought we agreed not to talk about that….”
Now, of course, most of what we see is pre-recorded so it can be adjusted, if need be, to eliminate or to edit the flow of the interview should it go against what is intended…in this case, to embarrass Mr. Clinton.
The FOX slimers had little choice on this one because there was just too much exposed on the Internet, already, or we may not have seen what we did.
Let’s change that rule about how many times a person can be president in this country, and bring back a real president, sex drive and all. At least he never had a gay male hooker working at the White House, disguised as a journalist.
Did anyone else subject themselves to the “panel” discussion of the interview afterward? I appreciate they should Clinton to be the greatness that he is, but they then attempted to rewrite history by saying that Clinton got upset because he is trying to protect his legacy.
This is why I hate neocons. Clinton is mad because they continuously lie about him. He is mad because they ask questions of him and democrats that they do no ask Bushco. He has a right to be angry. It has nothing to do with a legacy.
Brit Hume went so far as to say that “all Americans” would have been behind Clinton if he continued striking al quaeda after the embassy bombings when he only had one missle strike and then stopped because neocons were shreiking “wag the dog.” It was his party that was shreiking Clinton should stop.
FOX SUCKS!!!!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:04 amLizzy,
You have hit on one of the the essential differences between Clinton & GWB:
Clinton commands respect;
GWB demands respect.
The difference is vast…
September 24th, 2006 at 11:04 amThere is an ass-puckering feral “flight” response to having a very large, very pissed-off former President of the United States stop smiling, come out of his chair and physically lay hands on you while he calls you out for being a lying shill and gives you an unblinking, machine-gun history lecture inches away from your face that I HOPE Chris will re-experience every night before he falls asleep, and every time he faces another seated human being…even if it’s at the local deli.
In fact, I hope he has Clinton’s giant face permanently burned into the insides of his eyelids.
Weak mortals should never summon the Kraken…or tell Cthulu he has a funny name. Chris eff-ed up. I hope he has a little more respect for his Dad, who used to pull that shit with REALLY dangerous people, for better reasons…and with a LOT more class.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:05 amBubba was awesome! And that little whiny rat, Chris Wallace, who’d never done a single honest unbiased interview in his entire life, jut did not know what to do.
As renato pointed out, this was a beautiful smakcdown, and the rest of the Democrats should now follow the leader!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:05 amI’ve set up a blog where you can leave your thank-you’s for President Clinton here.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:10 amWell said, runningdoglackey.
May Chris Wallace forever be doomed to Post Traumatic Bubba Syndrome.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:13 amGod doesn’t create many men like that. Choose well next time!
Comment by old_europe
We will do our best!
Personally, I’ve been so ashamed every time lazy and self-centered GWB shows his face in public.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:18 amClinton again shows how a real leader responds. Bush did nothing for 8 months and that resulted in the worst terrorist attack in history on U.S. soil. 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch and he did nothing to try to stop it.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:21 amRemarkable interview. Chris Wallace learned a lesson or two. It will take him years to recover from this well deserved ‘bitch slapping’!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:21 amFox News on Clinton…
Think Progress has a key excerpt from the Clinton interview on Fox.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:21 amIt makes for interesting watching, and FNC will re-broadcast the interview at 6:00pm ET. The entire thing that Fox News wants its viewers to remember is that Bill Clinton became …….
Pretty sad when a politician has to ask the media to “tell the truth”. Hey Mike, instead of hiding behind “some people say”, how about naming those people “who say”?
Looks like BC is finally waking up to the fact that the RW is looking to scapegoat him for the sins of this administration. Maybe getting Bill onboard to fight these bastards instead of sweet talking triangulation will be a good outcome of this “interview”.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:24 amPresident Clinton tore him up. Too bad Wallace has no clue as to how bad he looks. IN his mind and fox’s mind they don’t have to ask those questions about what Bush did to get Binladen during those first 8 months in office. It’s as if Bush’s presidency did not begin until September 11th, and that anything prior to then is Clinton’s bad or irrelevant.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:24 amWhy fox? Why would Clinton go on fox, of all places? And with chris wallace (I bet mikey wishes he had practiced better family planning now, talk about tarnishing a legacy). While I think Clinton did well let’s not forget, this won’t impact the audience watching all that much. They’ll see the evil president they’ve been conditioned to believe he was and nothing more. murdoch and the CGI aside, Clinton should have told fox to shove it and done his promoting elsewhere. fox is not a legitimate stage for anything serious, chris wallace proves it in this excerpt quit well.
Aside from that, well done to the big dog.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:25 amBy the way, If fox (or any other news outlet) ever had the stones to ask Bush or any of his cronies the hard wurestions, like why no response to the Cole bombing? Or why demote Clarke? Or why no terror initiatives for 8 months? The neocons would just invent something about all they did and the 35% would eat it up as absolutely truthful.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:28 amWhen the president tells his side of the story, every thing then makes sense , Richard Clarke was demoted, and Bill Clinton tried.
George did nothing!
Had enough? vote Democrat in ‘06
September 24th, 2006 at 11:29 amFormer President Clinton defends himself well, but WHY does he never criticize the Bush Regime? We can all praise Bill on here, but he must explain his cozy relationship to the vile Bush clan?!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:30 am[…] Clinton. Awesome. […]
September 24th, 2006 at 11:31 amJay Randall wrote:
Do you also claim the European wariness of Iran is “to please Israel”?
Do you understand many independent-minded Americans reject the left because you ALWAYS end up showing your begoted obsession with blaming Israel (or the JOOOOOOS) for all the world’s problems?
September 24th, 2006 at 11:40 amWhat a wonderful man!!!!! He is so awesome, so smart. How did these neocons come to run our country? We have to take back the airwaves and demand that only the truth be on the news. What has propaganda by Fox done for us. The Dems work hard and we never hear of it because the corporate media wont show it. The airwaves need to be nationalized and those trying to turn us into a dictatorship prosecuted for trying to overthrow the constitution of the United States.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:41 amWow…I miss Clinton so much. I’d forgotten what a real president should sound like. Oh, if our Democratic Party would only get their act together and find someone out there with the guts and intelligence Clinton had.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:45 amGood Job Bill… Now lets see GWB interview with Solidad O’Brien on CNN. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:47 amMike Wallace is laughing outloud at his dopey son that wants to put Mike in a retirement home….
September 24th, 2006 at 11:47 amThere used to be a little thing called civility and respect between former and current presidents. That was pretty much the norm until BushCo began blaming all their problems on former presidents for the last 25 years. If you want to chalk another “loss” of our identy due to BushCo, that would be a big one. Clinton mentioned it in the interview and he knows as well as us that that time is over.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:48 amBill Clinton’s template can be used to defeat every lying Republican .
September 24th, 2006 at 11:48 amBill Clinton has been the only dem brave enough to fight these lying right wing so called journalists. Man, FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:48 amJay Randal
Something quite telling from the transcript, and maybe more important then this clip was Clinton talking about presidency:
This is the basic primordial difference between the two parties, the Democrats take responsibility for events that occur on their watch, the Republicans moan about how no other president ever had so much go wrong as GW Bush.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:49 am#47
In 1946 there was no Israel. In 1946 there was no middle east crisis.
After 1948 there was an Israel. After 1948 there was a middle east crisis.
9/11 came after 1948.
Israel was started by religious fundamentalists.
See the problem with Israel has nothing to do with Jews. It has to do with injustice at the hands of religious fanatics which stirs up the religious fanatics in the arab world which lead DIRECTLY to the deaths of Americans as they jumped out of towers on 9/11.
Jews == People
Israeli Zionists == racists and religious bigots.
Two totally different types of people there.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:50 amLOL post 47 Average > I said nothing about Jews! I mentioned Hillary doing the bidding of Israel by pushing war on Iran! Since you want war on Iran apparently, then join up to fight in that battle, or shut your mouth?!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:51 amClinton was great! I wish more dems would show some indignation at the way they are protrayed in the media. It’s time to be offended that our patriotism is questioned. How dare they! Thanks for an intelligent thread. I needed a shower after reading the comments about this on youtube yesterday. jeeeez.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:51 am#42 perhaps he was in a mood to step into the belly of the beast and talk on their turf. Of course their turf usually menas their terms, however, he was able to turn that one around. That smug self staisfied smirk Wallace had reminds me of Bush’s same look. One wonders if it is a neocon talking point of sorts…no matter what they say smirk and make it look like you don’t believe a word they say. Many of them seem to do it.
#45 I wodner that too. The only thing I can come up with is that perhaps as being the target of many many years of assault from the right, he is trying to do his part to elevate the debate and bring some civility back to the process.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:55 amBiggest difference between Bush and Clinton is, if Bush had been ambushed without his handlers and a script , he would have stuttered and parroted talking points foolishly and ended up looking like the complete moron he is.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:57 amWILD BILL KICKED SOME SERIOUS ASS!!!!
September 24th, 2006 at 11:59 amThis needs to be the new message for the Dems
September 24th, 2006 at 12:00 pmBush NEVER tried to protect us. In fact, he appears to have aided the terrorists by his inaction.
OUTstanding. You go Bill! I’m sure he’ll be roundly criticized — and good for him to bring it on. As for the smarmy Chris Wallace, a few comments on him here.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:00 pmMy letter to FNS. Feel free to use. Apologies for bad spelling and grammar:
FNS@foxnews.com
September 24th, 2006 at 12:01 pmHerr Schmuck Randal:
You have shown no proof whatsoever of any US leader, including Clinton, doing any foreign power’s bidding. Rightly or wrongly, both Bush and Clinton have judged that a nuclear-armed Iran would be inimical to US interests and to world peace. So, apparently, have judged the major European powers.
As I said, the reason the left will lose the argument with Bush and Clinton is that your obvious anti-Semitism pisses off fair-minded, independent Americans like me.
Nor have you any right to tell anyone to “shut your mouth” as you have a fundamental misunderstanding of political debate.
But you do the left a disservice.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:02 pmPost 55 Bruce > I see some mild criticism of Bush policies, by Bill Clinton in the transcript you posted, but former Pres. Jimmy Carter criticizes George Bush frequently! I just want an explanation from Bill WHY he hangs out with Bush Senior and tends to be shy about criticising Bush Junior?!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:02 pmPost 65 Average > you are a complete foolish dunce, so do NOT lecture me or anybody else on TP threads! Take your stupidity and go elsewhere! You are a right-wing fascist, so who cares what you think about anything! Go join up for the war on Iran, or shut up > PERIOD.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:09 pm[…] it here. Permalink| […]
September 24th, 2006 at 12:11 pmCan someone tell me how I can get this clip on YouTube please??? Some nut-so right-winger only posted a fraction of the interview where it shows Clinton acknowleding how he “failed”. That’s it. It totally misses everything else where he lays out the facts. Please help!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:16 pmI was concerned about Fox and their pre-show spin, but clearly without cause. That was beautiful! Can we get someone to check into doing away with term limits and running Clinton again?
September 24th, 2006 at 12:18 pmIt’s times like this that I am so very thankful for the emerging power of the internet and public video forums like Utube. I was thinking this while watching Brit Hume talk about how all americans would have supported Clinton, had he launched a full scale attack on BL after the WTC attacks under his watch. I would give anything to have an edited sound bite montage of Mr. Humes commentary during that time. I would be willing to bet that it would not be so easy to throw out those flippant remarks if we had these on file.
In the future we will. I cant wait to see these arrogant asses dismantled and discredited bit by bit. Cant wait to see what Jon Stewarts take on this tomorrow night..
September 24th, 2006 at 12:19 pmHerr Schmuck Randal:
You are a regular little Hitler, aren’t you? You forget you do not control all political discourse, no matter how much you wish.
But you do give the impression of wild-eyed foaming at the mouth the moment anyone of any substance challenges your weltanschauung.
Your extreme ranting is not only anti-Semitic but off-putting to the American middle. While that middle has obviously decided Iraq a mistake, it’s not willing to trust coprophages like yourself to determine policy.
Do you want to know why the Bushies have been able to spend 6 years getting away with lies and doing as they will? Just look in the mirror.
Me cago en la leche que te parió.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:23 pmOther dems need to follow Clinton’s lead. Harry Reid is giving it his best shot, but not good enough. A strong chorus of dems slamming hard on the neocon failures and what needs to be done to make America safer. Crank it up!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:28 pmIf they can’t win this one. We need to look elsewhere for leadership.
Jay,
The wingnuts don’t have anything else, so they send in the clowns to change the subject to anti-semitism. *yawn*
September 24th, 2006 at 12:29 pmYour extreme ranting is not only anti-Semitic but off-putting to the American middle. While that middle has obviously decided Iraq a mistake, it’s not willing to trust coprophages like yourself to determine policy.
Do you want to know why the Bushies have been able to spend 6 years getting away with lies and doing as they will? Just look in the mirror.
That is one funny post. You blame the left for the middle being too stupid to see Bush cannot tell the truth? Not that I believe you are the middle, more like a concern troll, but that is an incredible rationalization for being ignorant beyond belief.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:30 pmSee, Jay? What did I tell you…?
September 24th, 2006 at 12:30 pmLOL you non-Average fool > the only Hitler lover on here is yourself! Anyone who defends Israel’s government that drops cluster bombs on children is a FASCIST! You do NOT represent middle America! You are a Bush defender and a dirty fascist, so cut the crap! Go join up to fight Israel’s enemy Iran! I believe you are a Zionist with a big chip on your shoulder! And you do NOT control the content of the discussion on TP!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:31 pm[…] See the video — the Big Dog on Faux Nooz. […]
September 24th, 2006 at 12:32 pm#73 You sound just like your fearless leader frist this morning. neocons run the wh and both houses of congress and still have the gall to blame the dems of blocking all the good stuff you neocons are trying to do. pathetic. i agree with randall, take your lies somewhere else.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:34 pm[…] Second, he made his temper tantrum and crazed conspiracy mongering the story, rather than the defense of his record. He bizarrely admitted the question was legitimate, but then went on to attack the questioner because he works for FOX News. That’s a line that will play well on the BDS-suffering* Angry Adolescent Left blogs [Link warning: left-wing blogs often contain material unsuitable for children or civilized adults], but not among normal Americans. Mr. Clinton would have defended himself much more effectively by simply answering the question without the red-faced conspiracy-theorizing and ad hominem. *BDS - Bush Derangement Syndrome posted by: The Editors @ 9:36 am September 24, 2006 […]
September 24th, 2006 at 12:35 pmClinton is so awesome. ‘Nuff said.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:36 pmLook at the sh*t on that pingback @ #81:
[Link warning: left-wing blogs often contain material unsuitable for children or civilized adults]
They don’t even have enough balls to post with their own name, it’s “The Editors.”
Give me a frickin’ break…
September 24th, 2006 at 12:42 pmZooey > yep the Bush lover trolls like to change the subject, by saying any mention of Israel makes one anti semitic > lol.
JPark > Average seems to be a newly hired troll by Karl Rove for TP?!
4peas > thanks for agreement and Average is a goofy nutty fool!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:42 pm#80 4peas4brain: “Your leader” “you neocons”
You are pathetic. You have no idea whatsoever of my overall political position, only that I object to Randal’s anti-Semitism. Yet you immediately classify someone who will not join your loony-left rants as “neo-con”!
Hebetudinous crazies like yourself are the ENEMY of the American left. Until you learn to accept and respect disagreement (and to leave Israel out of every discussion) you will make no progress with the American mainstream.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:43 pmWhat a hack job. This is NOT the full interview. Thinkprogress has no boundaries.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:43 pmI am somewhat appalled by the lack of courtesy shown towards former President Clinton. When Wallace asked the President to let him finish his question, Clinton sat back and let Wallace finish. Yet Wallace interrupted frequently and often would insist in interrupting to prevent Clinton from finishing a statement. Kudos to Clinton for insisting on getting his points across.
What happened to professional journalism? Oh, wait, it’s Fox. That explains it.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:43 pmAverage > you do NOT represent the mainstream of America > thank God!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:48 pmYou are a Bush defender and an Israel apologist! I criticize any nation that acts fascistic, or slaughters children, so get off your high horse!
#85 Right, that is why everything you have posted on this site has been an attack on liberals. You are a joke.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:49 pm# 85 your rant’s speak for themselves. You think my conclusions are uncalled for….do you ever listen to yourself?
September 24th, 2006 at 12:52 pmGod I miss him…
September 24th, 2006 at 12:52 pm#78 Randal.
Leave it to an anti-Semite to turn a Clinton issue into a diatribe against Israel!
http://www.pollingreport.com/israel.htm
Again, you lose the American mainstream, 57% (35%+22%) of whom say Israel used correct or insufficient force:
35% of Americans say Israel used “About Right” force in Lebanon and 22% say “Not Enough”:
“Do you think Israel is using too much force in Lebanon, not using enough force, or is using about the right amount of force?”
Too Much Not Enough About Right Unsure
% % % %
8/3-6/06
32 22 35 11
As for blame, 58% of Americans blame Hezbollah for civilian caualties. In a US election, that would be a landslide for the Israeli side:
“Who do you blame more for the civilian casualties in Lebanon: Hezbollah for locating its fighters and rocket launchers in civilian areas, or Israel for bombing Hezbollah targets in those areas?”
Hezbollah Israel Neither (vol.) Both (vol.) Unsure
% % % % %
8/3-6/06
58 21 2 10 9
You anti-Semitic, loonly-left nuts give progressives a bad name.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:53 pmChris Wallace is not on good terms with his father, Mike Wallace… the legendary CBS reporter who is best known for his work on “60 Minutes,” the ever popular weekly TV newsmagazine.
Wallace is nothing but an educated idiot with a well paid job.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:55 pm[…] God, I miss Clinton. His presidency was the only time in my life that I was able to engage politically, able to understand what the hell was going on. I have no inherent interest in politics myself, but when Clinton was president, I felt like he spoke, and I understood. He organized the barrage of information for me and told me in an organized way what was going on, and why it should matter to me as an American. He never spoke in vague cliches. There were always specific examples, which he pulled right out of the encyclopedia in his head, to help me and everyone else “get it”. Damn, I miss him. Will there ever be such a president again? Watch this now! Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. […]
September 24th, 2006 at 12:57 pmAverageAmerican,
I have met Average Americans, and you, sir, are no Average American! I’d say you come in somewhere around snail slime and meat puppet….
September 24th, 2006 at 12:57 pmOMG Average, you made me lol. you really think you’re a progressive?
September 24th, 2006 at 12:58 pmChris Wallace is an ugly little rat with a permanent smirk plastered on his face. It is a face which makes me think he spends way too much time hanging out in public rest rooms, taking on anyone who walks in. It is the face of a parasite, spitting on the public, then slouching away dragging a bundle of soiled money and prestige.
Yes, the previous paragraph is an ad hominem attack, but give me some credit. I just had to watch Wallace snivel his way through an ambush interview with a president I respect. I found the whole experience deeply sickening.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:00 pmAverage > stop pretending on here to be an average American, when actually you are a right wing nut! You are the one who has turned this thread into discussion about Isreal! I mentioned Hillary doing the bidding of Israel by promoting war on Iran > thank goodness her husband Bill is way smarter than his wife on that issue! You are a fascist, and everything you post on here proves it, so go to RedState.com where your posts will be appreciated, by other fascistic minded idiots like yourself!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmAverageAmerican,
Criticising the policies of Israel does not equate to anti-Semitism. Indeed saying one should not criticise them because they are Jews, which seems to be the basis of your argument with Jay, is anti-Semitic because what you are saying is that the same level of behaviour one would expect of a civilised people cannot be expected of the Jews.
Now I support Israel, I believe that most of what they have done is in self defence, and on balance that they have done what they can in order to bring about peace. They have certainly gone further then most nations, and further then there enemies, but I will not sit idle while shits like you, with you sloppy thinking idiocies, make a mockery of that support. Israel does not equal the Jews, it equals Israel a country with firm policies which people are free to disagree with.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:06 pmGood Morning Yenta, I love it when you use that name…No I won’t give you up to the slug’s I’ll just send some more salt for you to sprinkle on their butt’s….Blessings today and alway’s….
September 24th, 2006 at 1:09 pmRandal, je t’encule.
1. You have failed to show any proof Hillary (or Bush) are doing any foreign country’s bidding.
2. You have failed to support your anti-Israeli diatribes.
3. You have immediately degenerated into insistence anyone who disagrees with you must be “fascist.”
4. You have failed to respond to the published polls I cited, showing the majority of Americans strongly supporting the Israelis.
5. You have proved incapable of anything except ad hominem vitriol.
As I said, you are a disgrace to the left. You’d do better to turn things over to those of us in the sane, mainstream left so that we have a chance of prevailing in the next election.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:10 pmNEWSFLASH:
Chris Wallace stood up after this interview and his pants were SOAKED!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:14 pmBruce:
Criticisising Israel DOES equate to anti-Semitism when:
1. A disparate standard (indeed, obsession) is used compared to the far greater violence of other countries and religions.
2. Their enemies (who are also enemies of the USA) continually broadcast their intent to murder all Jewish Israelis and to attack Jews anywhere.
3. Bigots like Randal insist upon dragging “Israel” into every unrelated discussion, as Hillary’s support for the Iraq war.
I’m sorry, but it is often transparent when the real disagreement is not with “Israel’s policies” but with the concept of Jewish self-determination and self-defense.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:15 pmNow look at this. This thread is about Bill Clinton and his formidable stance against unfair media reporting. Don’t even answer the trolls, they are so very much afraid of personalities like Bill Clinton, they just have to ruin this thread. Don’t you see? The blogosphere has achieved so many things lately. They endorsed Lamont, and look what happened. Now they made sure this interview can’t be spun by fox news, because the world knows the true events already. Keep on going, ignore the trolls. They are whining, because they see what is going on. They are losing ground big time!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:15 pm[…] This morning on Fox News, Bill Clinton laid into Fox News for their double standards. […]
September 24th, 2006 at 1:18 pm“You are pathetic. You have no idea whatsoever of my overall political position, only that I object to Randal’s anti-Semitism. Yet you immediately classify someone who will not join your loony-left rants as ‘neo-con’!”
Anyone who embraces the views of the lunatic fringe of the republican party is considered a Neo-con.
Hebetudinous crazies like yourself are the ENEMY of the American left. Until you learn to accept and respect disagreement (and to leave Israel out of every discussion) you will make no progress with the American mainstream.
Comment by AverageAmerican — September 24, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
Neo-cons who espouse beliefs contradictory to the foundation of this country are the enemies of liberals and all other normal people.
Why should any liberal or any other normal person take seriously the myths espoused by Neo-cons like you?
We are the mainstream; it is Neo-cons like you who are out of the mainstream.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:19 pmI just love Clinton!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:22 pmZooey, I did look. I even posted the following comment:
“First with the “they [the Bush administration] had 8 months” line. The obvious response to that is “you had 8 years, not 8 months.” That comparison is an obvious loser for Clinton.”
The comparison is not so obvious as you claim it to be. Clinton did not have 8 years to investigate the attack on the Cole. He had about 3 months. Bush had 8 months to continue the investigation after taking office and before the events of September, 2001.
“[I]t’s unfair to judge President Bush’s actions in his first 8 months in office based on what we know today…”
Then judge his actions by what was known at the time. Clinton actively pursued bin Laden and left Richard Clarke, the one person with the history and track record through 3 Presidents, to continue the quest. Bush downgraded both Clarke and the hunt for bin Laden. In the context of inheriting an on-going investigation into an attack on a United States Navy ship, that seems rather odd, don’t you think?
“t’s unfair … to judge the invasion of Iraq based on what we know today.”
How is it unfair? More and more information is being brought forth about the invasion of Iraq. Remember the Downing Street Memos? If we are limited to judging the invasion of Iraq solely on the information Bush wanted us to hear in the lead up to war, we pass judgment based on the propaganda machine of the government. Would you judge the actions of a criminal based solely on what was publically known about that person’s crime before he actually committed the crime? If that were the case, prosecutors in this country would never be able to convict anyone.
It is inherently fair to have a full and complete investigation and bring all the facts to light, and then pass judgment. Would you add your voice to call for such an investigation? After all, we are talking about invading a sovereign country and killing tens of thousands of innocent children, women, and men. War is the most serious undertaking of mankind. The loss of life and property is horrendous. Because of this, going to war must be supported by irrefutable evidence and irrebuttable justifications. Anything short of this is mass-murder and wanton destruction of human life and property.
There are enough questions surrounding Bush’s decision to go to war to merit an investigation. There are enough allegations of international war crimes to merit an investigation. Bush has even admitted to committing renditions, an international crime. Yes, it is fair to judge Bush on what we know thus far, and to call for a complete investigation. Whether the results of such an investigation will exhonorate or convict is unknowable at this time. But until such an investigation is made, and made public, there will always be a question over Bush’s War.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:23 pmClinton, “I got closer to killing him than anybody since!”
TOUCHE, CLINTON! TOUCHE!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:23 pmLOL Average > stop claiming to be a moderate average American on here! You are a Bush defender, who also defends Israel aggression, so that makes you a FASCIST! I do NOT comment on bogus polls that claim a majority of Americans believe it’s OK for Israel to slaughter children > we real progressives are against warmongering by any nation including Israel! So take your rants to elsewhere!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:23 pmA.A. open attack’s against other bloggers is not going to win you any vote’s either….For you’re information many on the left I know including myself looked at Israel in a very diffrent light after their total distruction to Lebanon and inocent men, women and children…I am appaled my tax dollars went for bombs from our country to support this continued madness….I never was against the jew’s or Israel before but now I am and lot’s of people I know are and against bull shit bush as well…..This entire mess has been brought on our country by own administration by neglect or design….Diplomacy can not be accomplished by war monging mad dog pit bull’s……
September 24th, 2006 at 1:24 pmPoor, poor Randal. Even his hero, Bill Clinton, sides with the Israelis:
From the New York Times:
Clinton, in Israel, Chides Arafat for Letting Peace Slip Away
By JAMES BENNET
September 24th, 2006 at 1:24 pmPublished: January 21, 2002
As president, Bill Clinton labored to end the dispute between Israelis and Palestinians. Today, he came back here to bask in a warm Israeli welcome, to call on both sides to keep trying, and to place the blame for his peace initiative’s failure squarely on Yasir Arafat, the Palestinian leader.
AverageAmerican
Actually is doesn’t. None of it does, it means you believe Israel, as a state, is up to no good, or that Hillary Clinton is too pro-Israel to be objective, but it does not mean you are anti-Semitic.
Being anti-Semitic means being anti-Jewish. One can be Anti-Israel without being Anti-Jewish. I am sure if you asked Jay who his choice pick for US president would be, it would be Feingold, a guy with an excellent record for actually reading the legislation that comes before him, one of the few guys to have voted against the Patriot Act, and one of the few to have voted against the war in Iraq, oh yeah, and he is a Jewish Leftwing Democrat.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:25 pmYou libs have a field day on this one. I notice you all flourish when there are no dissenting voices. You are all in denial. That was the most defensive I’ve ever seen anyone in an interview. He tried - oh boo hoo, “I tried, thats more than anyone has done.” Keep dreaming.
Clinton rolled the clock back to Somalia to perform his little rehearsed outrage. How about the first trade tower attack or the Cole? He didn’t say too much about that did he. He also didn’t go into the 3 - wow 3 discrepancies he mentioned about The Path to 9/11. I wonder why? They are probably tiny loopholes that he found - we don’t know because he didn’t talk about them.
He spent more time attacking Wallace than he did explaining his record. Why would he need to do that if he was proud of it?
You losers keep cheering “here! here!” to one another - that’s no replacement for a real idealogy, integrity, policy and the guts to do the hard jobs - but keep it up, it’s who you really are - and that can only help our side.
Jon - “Clinton is awesome. Nuff said.”
Desi - “Can we get someone to check into doing away with term limits and running Clinton again?”
Mark - “Cant wait to see what Jon Stewarts take on this tomorrow night..”
Jay Randal - “You are a right-wing fascist, so who cares what you think about anything! Go join up for the war on Iran, or shut up > PERIOD.”
Quite a high intellect on this board - Desi, we Republicans would just love it if Bill ran again. Mark - if you get your politcal information from Stewart you need help. Jay, who’s the fascist? You’re the one telling someone to shut up - why, because he does not agree with you?
Here! Here! Clinton’s the bawmb!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:25 pmrunningdoglackey at #32: I loved your comment so much, and I think it is PERFECT. Made my whole day….
September 24th, 2006 at 1:27 pm[…] Here’s a great transcript of an interview with Bill Clinton slamming Fox news: LINK. I personally admire Bill Clinton. I don’t care that he lied about getting a blow job. He was still a great president. I honestly feel that he’s one of the few people who truely want to make the world a better place. Bono and Bill Gates are trying also but they’re annoying. I do wish we could declare a state of emergency and reinstate Clinton. Here’s a link to the VIDEO. […]
September 24th, 2006 at 1:29 pmMy President Bill Clinton, and he is still “MY PRESIDENT”, made Wallace look like what he is,……..a Freakin’ right wing nut job.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:29 pm“Hebetudinous crazies like yourself are the ENEMY of the American left. ”
hebetude = dull.
’nuff said.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:30 pmI agree with old-europe that AverageAmerican is gumming up this thread, so it would be wise for us all to ignore his rants untill he departs in shame!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:32 pmold_europe:
You take yourself for too much. Lieberman still leads in polls, because mainstream America does not judge the entire election upon the Iraq issue.
Again, loony-left ranting which shows hate for all difference of opinion — including Bush, Liebrman, and Hillary — does nothing except alienate the mainstream, even if the mainstream recognises Iraq to have been a mistake.
You’ll need to moderate your rhetoric (both vis-a-vis Democratic moderates like Lieberman, and vis-a-vis Israel) if you wish to carry the average American. Otherwise, you’ll have only yourselves to blame for continued Republican power.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:32 pmI’ve set up a blog where you can leave your thank-you’s for President Clinton here.
Comment by renato — September 24, 2006 @ 11:10 am
Thanks renato for setting up the site.
Everyone needs to go over and post a message thanking President Clinton for giving us hope today.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:36 pmOh man, cut the leash off the BIG DOG! Finally, Faux News in the NO SPIN ZONE. God bless America for sinners as President Clinton. Tell George Bush that repentence means saying, “I screwed up, I’m sorry, please forgive me.” Sorry, haven’t heard that from our (s)ain’t in chief. Bill Clinton makes me proud to be an American. Hillary, eh….
To quote Jesus, “Peace”
September 24th, 2006 at 1:37 pm#113 Gorton.
In other words, Randal accepts a Jew, providing the Jew remains in his place, doesn’t ask for his own nation, doesn’t ask for self-determination, doesn’t object to 1,300 years of Muslim-imposed inferior and semi-apartheid status, …..
QED!
You also ignored #103 and #112: The loony-left’s obsession with subjecting Israel to disparate treatment, with nary a word of criticisim for the violence and genocidal intent of its enemies, is a familiar pattern of bigotry. After all, how often have we heard, “I don’t hate blacks — just Jesse Jackson”?
September 24th, 2006 at 1:37 pmLOL jimma > your silly diatribe is not worthy of anyone’s time on here!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:38 pmLOL Average > stop claiming to be a moderate average American on here! You are a Bush defender, who also defends Israel aggression, so that makes you a FASCIST! I do NOT comment on bogus polls that claim a majority of Americans believe it’s OK for Israel to slaughter children > we real progressives are against warmongering by any nation including Israel! So take your rants to elsewhere!
Comment by Jay+Randal — September 24, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
The poll includes the “nuke all Muslims” crowd and people on the far right who don’t care that Muslims and Jews are killing each another.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:38 pmAs long as you advertise with, and give a portion of your customers money to, FOX News I will never purchase any insurance plan from Nationwide. I am calling, through the multiple blogs in which I participate, for a boycott of your company.
Following is a copy of the post which I am placing on the internet and emailing, as a chain, to my friends and family:
BOYCOTT NATIONWIDE INSURANCE. At this critical time in the history of our nation we, as citizens and consumers, must do everything in our power to preserve our Constitution, the foundation of our democracy. As the majority of us already understand, our Constitution has come under attack from agents within our own government. Those agents are supported and enabled by a relentless program of far right wing propaganda, of which the chief disseminator is FOX NEWS. Therefore, I am calling for a BOYCOTT of all products advertised on the FOX NEWS Channel and its associated website; BOYCOTT NATIONWIDE INSURANCE, BOYCOTT NETFLIX, BOYCOTT ALLSTATE, BOYCOTT BENADRYL (PFIZER), BOYCOTT VONAGE, BOYCOTT ARRID
Nationwide, I urge you to withdraw your support from this biased and irresponsible media outlet. Until you honor the citizens of the nation from which your company has emerged, we the people will repay your treachery in kind.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:39 pmjimmajamma
You are a complete and total idiot. You speak from ignorance because there is nothing there to educate, there is not brain within your skull.
1WTC, ah, what did Clinton do? How about hunting down and capturing every single one of the guys who planned and executed it? The Cole? Listen to the interview you moron.
And if you want to go into the three things in Path to 9/11 directly contradicted by the report? Here we go:
1:
2:
3:
Next time you try and talk a load of bullshit jimmajamma, maybe just maybe you should try looking around the flipping site a bit.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:39 pmClinton made Chris look like a desperate fool! He was shocked that Clinton stood up to him. Everyone should stand up to these little lowlife Fauxbots!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:40 pm[…] Bill Clinton pwnzing fox news […]
September 24th, 2006 at 1:40 pm114. jimmajamma:
BOTH Clinton and Bush dropped the ball with respect to anti-terrorist efforts.
But your are right in that the crowd here are clearly a batch of loony-left engaging in self-adulation (and anti-Semitism).
Fortunately for you, the louder these fools grow, the more likely you conservatives are to remain in power.
I’m sorry to say that leaves most of us still longing for a competent President.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:42 pmrenato, what’s the blog address?
September 24th, 2006 at 1:42 pmmpower1952 - “Everyone needs to go over and post a message thanking President Clinton for giving us hope today.”
Classic!
“Give us hope! We need hope! Oh great liberal leader, give us hope! What would we do without you?”
September 24th, 2006 at 1:43 pmWhat obsession would that be? I mean, if you’re going to state is as a fact, you should be able to clarify it.
Don’t dissapoint me by downgrading it to ‘a few’ loony-leftists.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:44 pmYou take yourself for too much. Lieberman still leads in polls, because mainstream America does not judge the entire election upon the Iraq issue.
Comment by AverageAmerican — September 24, 2006 @ 1:32 pm
Lieberman will lose the election because you can’t claim you’re a Democrat with members of the lunatic fringe of the republican party (Coulter, Hannity, O’Reilly and Malkin) endorsing you for Congress.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:44 pmDuring 2004 campaign season Joe Biden smacked Wallace down hard too. Wallace was trying to paint Kerry Edwards as “soft on terror” and asking push questions about Kerry’s service. Biden would not let Wallace interrupt him, change the subject, or talk over him. Best of all he wouldn’t let him get away with sideways insinuations. It was complete smack down.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:49 pmyeah we all remember the last time Klinton wagged his finger at us and demanded we believe him . Klinton is still a lying liberal scumbag.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:49 pmBOTH Clinton and Bush dropped the ball with respect to anti-terrorist efforts.
Comment by AverageAmerican — September 24, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
Nah. It was only Bush.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:50 pmPost 123 Average > stop insinuating what you think someone else believes about Israel > I do NOT believe Israel’s government has a right to drop cluster bombs on Lebanese children! NO nation has a right to slaughter civilians!
I have said nothing about Jews on here > Zionists like yourself I mentioned! There is a profound difference between attacking a group of people and a government > Israeli govt. is bad! Sen. Feingold is against the Iraq war, so yes as Bruce suggests I might vote for him, and he is Jewish!
This is my last response to you, because you are a paid Karl Rove troll!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#125 Randal & Nat.
I see you are suffering from the psychiatric infrimity known as dissociation from reality.
Specifically, not only the poll I cited, but most, repeatedly show strong mainstream American support for Israel. Dismissing that as “bogus” or having the wrong “crowd” is simply your inability to deal with the reality that mainstream America supports the Israelis.
More of your psychopathology is shown by Randal’s comment “defending Bush’ when I have not done so. I am a mainstream leftist, yet you are unable to hold a rational conversation with me!
Finally, you don’t seem to udnerstand that most of Connecticut doesn’t give a damn whether Lieberman is a “Democrat” or not. The independent vote is sizeable and it is judging by his many years of faithful service (including a generally progressive voting record).
You loonies are harming the left in the view of the average American, and some of us saner progressives hate you for it. YOU are the reason we’ve been losing to the conservatives.
Oh, and by the way, please stick your anti-Semitism where the sun desn’t shine.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:52 pmWallace and FOX are just a tool.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:53 pm# 130
No, only bush dropped the ball, Clinton handed it off.
Because that’s what happens when you get a change of administrations.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:53 pmThis is unbelievable
September 24th, 2006 at 1:54 pmClinton is excellent. It will be interesting to see the sound bits that the interview produces. The MSM spin is disheartening most of the time.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:55 pmGood job clinton. The day we take back control from the neocons is the day I will be able to sleep again without nightmares.
As for Isreal, they did what we would have done if we were attacked by a foreign government; fought back and defended ones self. Yes there were casualties, but its war and civilian casualties are unavoidable. Last I checked I didn’t see Isreal loading thier rockets with ball bearings and firing them into populated places with the sole purpose of causeing as many civilian casualties as possible, like hamas did hundreds of times a day. Hamas is part of the Lebonese government, and Hamas attacked Isreal from within Lebanon. Isreal retaliated and attacked Lebanon. It’s simple logic, don’t be blinded by ignorance.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:55 pm#130. averageamerican. absolutely right.
September 24th, 2006 at 1:55 pmI wonder if the republican extremists know the more media attention they give Clinton, the more it makes Bush look like an incompetent fool! I say keep up faux!
September 24th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#140 - Why would you think anyone would want to have a rational conversation with someone who claims opinions are facts, and who wraps 2 dollar ad hominums with 10 dollar words?
September 24th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#142 Nonsense. Clinton missed many opportunities to “take care of” bin Laden. He was asleep at the switch for years, while Bush was asleep at the switch for eight months.
I’d like to see the left hold at least one house, but the arguments I’ve seen here won’t win any converts from the mainstream, which still sees the left as anti-American. The crazies here even seem to justify the pro-terrorist label the Republicans try to use.
Why are you loonies so unable to udnerstand that mianstream America is moderate, and that you’re losing elections for us?
September 24th, 2006 at 2:00 pmWhat a man! President Clinton was awesome. This speaks to why Daddy Bush would rather spend time with Clinton than with his own son. Daddy Bush does not have to explain the big words…….
September 24th, 2006 at 2:01 pmClinton is a very smart man. I miss having a smart president. Good job Clinton! Standin up the FOX question framing! Woohoo!
September 24th, 2006 at 2:01 pm#145 Some guy. That’s what I’ve been trying to tell the crazies like Randal. Dragging anti-Israeli rhetoric into Bush-Clinton issues will only succeed in losing votes of the American mainstream.
September 24th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI see you are suffering from the psychiatric infrimity known as dissociation fro