‘Values Voter Summit’ Features Attack on ‘Faggots,’ Claim That Gay Rights Movement Inspired ‘From The Pit Of Hell Itself’
‘Values Voter Summit’ Features Attack on ‘Faggots,’ Claim That Gay Rights Movement Inspired ‘From The Pit Of Hell Itself’
This weekend, some of the nation’s leading conservatives — from Tony Snow and Attorney General Gonzales to Sen. George Allen (R-VA) and Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AK) to Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity — appeared at the Family Research Council’s “Values Voter Summit.”
An hour and a half after Snow’s speech, Bishop Wellington Boone, founder of the Wellington Boone Ministries, took the stage and announced, “I want the gays mad at me.” Boone said that while “the gays” are “saying a few things” about him, “they’re not coming at me strong.” In an effort to change that, Boone declared:
Back in the days when I was a kid, and we see guys that don’t stand strong on principle, we call them “faggots.” … [People] that don’t stand up for what’s right, we say, “You’re sissified out!” “You’re a sissy!” That means you don’t stand up for principles. [Click HERE to listen to the audio.]
As Right Wing Watch notes, another speaker at the conference later claimed “the gay rights movement was inspired ‘from the pit of hell itself,’ and has a ’satanic anointment.’ … He suggested that the anti-Christ is himself gay, citing a verse from the book of Daniel saying the anti-Christ will have no desire for a woman.”
Full transcript:
BOONE: This matter of gay — I want the gays mad at me. I’m not on enough of their hit lists. [Applause] Bless God. I want to tell you something, and I’m gonna get [inaudible] here, and I hope I don’t embarass anybody about this here. But I want to say something to you, that I’m not afraid of these people. And they do play dirty tricks, and they do try to, you know, you know, do stuff with your mailing lists, and they’re really nasty about trying to stop us from, you know, taking away their perversion.
But I want to tell you something is, they don’t know, we’re driven by God to deal with this stuff, and I want to say to you that, in this regard, I’m not playing with you. That when it comes to the matter of this gay stuff, I know that a family is not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. It’s a man and a woman. That’s the creative order, and I’m not backing down. I’m standing flat-footed on that right there. [Applause]
Everywhere I get to speak, I am guarded by the grace of God, being strong on it. Now they’re fussing on it, they’re saying a few things, but they don’t have me, you know, in their, you know, on their web sites. They’re not coming at me strong, and I would say this. Back in the days when I was a kid, and we see guys that don’t stand strong on principle, we call them “faggots.” A punk is — and our people, I’m from the ghetto, so sometimes it does come out a little bit. I got another one I’m gonna say in a minute — [laughter] — that don’t stand up for what’s right, we say, “You’re sissified out!” “You’re a sissy!” That means you don’t stand up for principles. And I just believe that God hasn’t called us to be sissies on a principle level. We’re called to be, to stand up and be men. I’m not talking about as in gender. I’m talking about man of God, men in the marketplace, and when a U.S. senator or congressman says that he wants me to vote for them, and he’s not biblically based — if he doesn’t have God as his Lord, how can somebody that doesn’t feel the need for God lead me?
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These same hate figure will be the same 30% still voting for bush ….bet ya
September 25th, 2006 at 4:56 pmAnd the fanatics are some Muslims?
September 25th, 2006 at 5:00 pmSo how long until the United States is a Theocracy?? 10 years? 20?
September 25th, 2006 at 5:01 pmStep right up! Come one, come all. Here the doucebag vent his spleen! No where on earth will you ever see a sight like this!
Ahh, the heck with it. I’m just not a good carnival side show barker. He’s still a douchebag, though.
September 25th, 2006 at 5:01 pmAs Jon Stewart has point out a myriad of times, the ones most hateful and vindictive of gays are often the ones themselves homosexual. Their announced hatred just masks their shame and/or confusion.
September 25th, 2006 at 5:02 pmBe ready. These will be the people that we DO go to war against. The threat of terrorism comes from people like this, and people like this alone.
Remember Ted Kaczynski?
Remember Timothy McVeigh?
Remember David Koresh?
Anyone? Does anyone remember what kind of terrorism was on the rise BEFORE the WTC floorshow? These people. Did not. Just. Go. Away.
I promise you. And now they are our biggest threat to keeping the country you know and love. Wake up.
September 25th, 2006 at 5:10 pmDid the Bible mention the Anti-Christs desire for Jeff Gannon?
September 26th, 2006 at 12:58 pmHow do they feel about National RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman coming from the aforementioned pit?
September 26th, 2006 at 12:59 pmDid the Bible mention if the Anti-Christ’s has a desire for Jeff Gannon?
September 26th, 2006 at 1:01 pmSo how long until the United States is a Theocracy?? 10 years? 20?
NEVER!
They would have to kill me first.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:01 pmTalk about insecure, fragile egos, low self esteem, haters. If these people weren’t dangerous, I would feel sorry for them.
How many more closet cases are there in the party of hate?
September 26th, 2006 at 1:01 pmgot another one I’m gonna say in a minute — [laughter] — that don’t stand up for what’s right, we say, “You’re sissified out!†“You’re a sissy!†That means you don’t stand up for principles.
That’s also what we said to Jimmy when he wouldn’t light the bag of crap we threw on old man Lewis’ porch. It would seem someone got called a sissy when he was younger - and now projects his feelings of inadequacy onto others.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:03 pmYeah and those of us who disagree with that? We are all HATERS.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:05 pmFirst the n-word, now faggot. God bless America, these people have no shame, no scruples, and no people-skills whatsoever. I become more and more ashamed to be “American” each day, when these people claim to be representative of what americans think. It’s so primitive…
September 26th, 2006 at 1:07 pmI’m so sick of ‘killing for Jesus’….so they say I’ll go to hell…well…I say prove it. You can’t prove a BELIEF. Thoes who give the jerks air time are just as guilty of their hate.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:07 pmAt this point the Repugs have little to run on but hate. They are good at that and it works for them.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:09 pmMore name calling?? And Bushco resents Chavez’s comment? Double standard anyone?
September 26th, 2006 at 1:10 pmSo this is what christianity has come to, eh?
Well, if those stupid christians would ever read the book they hold so dear, they might learn and understand that their god was much more interested in christians lawyering each other in various courts of law than he was in a little Gannon on Bush sex.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmThis feels like another effort to distract the public from the real issues that are beating up the GOP right now. The worst thing progressives can do right now is to take the bait and make this a national issue. So what if the likes of Coulter and Hannity are spouting more hate venom. No change can be made until the balance chances in Congress in November, so progressives NEED to keep the focus on the real issues that are hurting this country (Iraq, Afghanistan, wiretapping, Bush, etc).
There’s a reason Bishop Boone wants his rants all over left-leaning blogs. Let’s not fall victim to Rovian trickery yet again. PLEASE.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmJust another Chritian Taliban Fatwa, no surprise. The hate zealots are all from the same ilk.
You wonder why they are fixated on locking horns with Muslim Fundies? They are one in the same, there can only be one bully on the block.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmIt’s true, the gay rights movement IS inspired by satan, but that doesn’t mean you openly attack people, show intolerance for the individuals practicing homosexuality. This is what makes “christianity” twice as evil as what they claim gays are.
Now, I’ll get flamed as intolerant, bigoted, brainwashed, and probably even a neocon warmonger, but i’m still right. But don’t lump all christians in the same boat as those loons…same thing for good islamic practicioners vs. radicals. I love ALL people, even ones committing sin. A practicing homosexual is committing the same sins as a fornicator in my church. And before you flame, how bout trying to respect “MY RIGHT TO DISSENT” on this progressive comment board, even though I’m a liberal? :)
September 26th, 2006 at 1:15 pmwtf? all i can do is laugh at the stupid.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:19 pm#19 You are correct, Curtis. This is yet another attempt at distraction. November is too close for us to “take our eyes off the prize” (to borrow a phrase.) There is a very real lack of accountability in Washington that needs to be corrected this November. It’s good to have what they said there documented, but let’s not pretend it’s the most important thing to us right now. The more attention we pay to this topic, the less we pay to the even more dangerous things they are doing.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:22 pm“”It’s true, the gay rights movement IS inspired by satan”"
Link please.
Oh you don’t have anything but a strong heartfelt judgement?
You are confusing us for people who care about your opinion.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:24 pmHe suggested that the anti-Christ is himself gay, citing a verse from the book of Daniel saying the anti-Christ will have no desire for a woman.â€
I knew it!
You guys.
My ex is the antichrist.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:26 pmAmen to our republican representatives. We have to rid these homosexuals of this ungodly, despicable and disgraceful perversion. Jesus is coming back soon!
September 26th, 2006 at 1:27 pmWhatever happened to the “golden rule” (above all else) that all men are created equal? I think that the christofascists have forgotten that one.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:27 pmGays, Guns & God.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:29 pmThat’s it.
That’s what they stand on.
Simple, eh?
Now, if you had a gay guy with a gun preaching,
that would be everything they hate & fear.
That’s you, Mr. Boone. That’s you.
In short, the ‘values victims’ have nothing to fear
but themselves.
Christofascists are sick people, indeed.
ironchef
Homosexuality is not on the big 7 laws Noah put forward for everyone else to obey:
Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods.
Shefichat damim - Do not murder.
Gezel - Do not steal
Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral
Birkat Hashem - Do not “bless God” euphemistically referring to blasphemy.
Ever min ha-chai - Do not eat any flesh that was torn from the body of a living animal
Dinim - Set up a system of honest, effective courts, police and laws.
Golui Arayot is commonly considered to include homosexuality, but in real terms it doesn’t actually say what it means by immoral at all.
So in the case of an Atheist, one can still get into heaven -even if you are gay - provided you follow those seven rules.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:30 pmIf the Anti-Christ is gay, chances are he likes show-tunes. We can flush him out of hiding if we write a musial for him to star in. We’ll call it “ANTI-CHRIST, SUPERSTAR!!”
What could possibly go wrong?
September 26th, 2006 at 1:32 pmand I say unto you
Religion is the root of all evil
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September 26th, 2006 at 1:34 pm21…”It’s true, the gay rights movement IS inspired by satan”…Jerry Falwell…great reference, ironchef.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:34 pmHe suggested that the anti-Christ is himself gay, citing a verse from the book of Daniel saying the anti-Christ will have no desire for a woman.â€
So the antichrist is Ann Coulter?
September 26th, 2006 at 1:35 pm#26 - Jesus is coming back soon!
Allow me to finish your paragraph…
Jesus is coming back soon. Quick! Look busy… and hide the bong!!!
September 26th, 2006 at 1:35 pmWhat the f*ck? Is it 1950 again? Any hood-wearing attendees?
Speaking of, why don’t liberals spend more time highlighting the KKK’s support for the GOP?
Religion is more deadly than a weapon when in the hands of the corrupt.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:35 pmIt’s true, the gay rights movement IS inspired by satan
o’ it is huh? and how do you know? have you talked to satan? just like you talk to the cumulus clouds wondering if bible school was right when sitting god on the puffy white cloud with his lamb at his feet opening the pearly gates. the bible sounds pretty evil to me.
the only evil i know is this administration practicing religious intolerance, social intolerance, economic intolerance by dropping bombs and bullets on anyone who is not with him. so what does he think of his fellow americans who are not with him? this is the guy who called out the leader of iran but won’t be in the same room as him. why can’t he look at him and call him the axis of evil? coward—i’d say. evil-i’d say. so who is the real evil doer? this is also the same people who shook hands with the grand masons. pike. israel. king of saud. obl.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:37 pmIt’s true, the gay rights movement IS inspired by satan
I think Satan was just yanking your chain when he told you that.
Great kidder, that guy.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:38 pmBruce+Gorton, please read Genesis and Galatians. Jesus condemned homosexuality as a forbidden act. It’s nothing but a demonic act being practiced (equivalent to witchcraft).
September 26th, 2006 at 1:39 pmThis guy is touched in the head. Seriously, this is an excellent example of the poor healthcare situation in the US. If the poor man had only been able to afford medication, he wouldn’t have such paranoid, delusional tendencies. He would also be off the streets and in a psychiatric hospital.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:39 pmBut our fanatic religious fundamentalists are better than the Taliban and all the other fanatic Islamic fundamentalists because our fanatic religious fundamentalists are ‘merikuns like Dumbya and Felix Macaca Allen.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:43 pmValues Voters = hater extremists = terrorists
This is Fred Phelps material. Values Voters Summit supports Fred Phelps’ agenda.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:43 pmGotta love the right (and I do mean right) Rev. Wellington Boone. Check out his website where he cites the “moral authority” for his view on homosexuality. Predictably, Rev. Wellington quotes Leviticus for the proposition that homosexuality is “an abomination.” ‘Course, he omits that little part where Leviticus says that the punishment for that there abomination is, um, death.
What’s amatter, Rev. Wellington? Are ya squeamish about applyin’ the death penalty to th’ gays? It’s right there in the Bible, in black ‘n white. So to speak.
Or, are you sayin’ that “Line Item Jesus” omitted that provision o’ Leviticus? Show me where, in the New Testament (or “The Sequel,” if you will), Jesus says: Homosexuality - still an abomination; death penalty for homosexuality - repealed. ‘Cuz if he didn’t say that, then it seems to me your “inerrant word o’ God” requires you to advocate makin’ gay sex a capital crime. (What the heck, they’re doin’ it in Iran - so why not right here in the U.S. of A., huh, Rev?)
And, let’s just say, for the sake of argument, that Jesus did, um, “implicitly” repeal those parts of Leviticus and other Old Testament texts that make homosexuality punishable by death. Riddle me this, oh God fearin’ literal-Bible-readin’ Christians: What kind of God would have killed people for havin’ gay sex? I mean, its nice to think God got a little kinder and gentler over time, but really - when and under what circumstances would it have been, ya know, okay to kill gay people?
Or is it more of that moral relativism our friends on the right are so fond of - ya know, it was okay to impose the death penalty for gay sex way back in th’ days o’ Leviticus, but it’s not okay today?
I really want to know where these homosexuality-is-an-abomination folks stand on the issue. If they really, really believe that gay sex should be a capital crime, they ought to have the stones to say so out loud, in public - and accept the consequences. If they don’t believe that gay sex should be punishable by death, then they should explain why it was “appropriate” for the God of Leviticus to prescribe death for gay sex, and why they believe it’s not appropriate today.
C’mon, folks. I’m waiting …
September 26th, 2006 at 1:44 pmWouldn’t it be best to just ignore them? Bitching about it is what they want us to do. Thinkprogress, just ignore this crap and focus on what’s important.
Stop giving them a voice damnit.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:47 pmSounds like boone is a certified homophobe. Maybe someone needs to do some checking on how many illicit affairs he’s had…hmmm? It’s generally the ones with an “axe to grind” who have the most sins to hide.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:47 pmJesusChrist_GodOfWAR, yes he is. Are you ready? Jesus, I pray that you help this individual to understand that heaven and hell is a vital issue pertaining to his/her soul. In your name I pray, amen.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:49 pmWelcome to the bible inspired gay hating FREAK SHOW.
Have any of these fools ever read a bible?
Do they have any children ?
Has any one of their children ever talked back to them?
HAVE THEY STONED THEIR CHILDREN TO DEATH YET FOR TALKING BACK TO THEM AS THE BIBLE TELL THEM TO, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?
Sorry bible, they’re just not really “that” into you.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:50 pmOther abominations…eating shellfish and wearing clothing made from two types of thread. Are the neocons picketing “Red Lobster” restaurants or “Saks”? They couldn’t be hypocrites, could they?
September 26th, 2006 at 1:50 pmGee, so Boones one more attention whore.
I’d never expect that from a ‘religious’ leader.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:51 pmreligion breeds evil, talks evil and acts on evil. let’s not forget, bush said god(the invisible man, somewhere,lol) told him to go to war. so tell me is that christian like or satan like. and i’d like to see the memo from god to bush telling him to go invade, occupy another country and kill. it also should have the who, what, where, when, why on the memo.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:53 pmOh, and Boone, we don’t elect leaders to lead us, we elect them to represent us.
If you can’t get that right, maybe you should stay away from the political arena.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:53 pmJesus, please let our Senate and House propose and pass a bill banning abortion and adultery. We thank you for your word. Help progressives to understand that liberalism isn’t recognized under your biblical law. We thank you.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:53 pm#44
or they are not comfortable with their own sexuality!
September 26th, 2006 at 1:53 pmThis is not Christianity. These same people would crucify Christ if he was here today. These are not Christians, these are hateful, vile people. I can imagine that most of these hateful, judgmental, so-called Christians have had gay thoughts themselves. I’m sure some of them are closet gays. I’m positive most of them have skeletons in their closets that would humiliate them if exposed. These are people who have so much anger and hatred towards their fellow man, and we know that hatred stems from fear. What sinful behavior are they hiding themselves? Perhaps, when they seek forgiveness for their own sins they will then begin to love their fellow man the way Christ demanded of them.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:55 pmLOL this is funny, because most of the DC Republicans are closet queen fairy boys, just like George W. Bush who wants to be dominated by a male TOP, like Jeff Gannon!
September 26th, 2006 at 1:55 pmDaryll (38),
There’s a book out there that says Mary had a little lamb, should I believe that fairy tale, too? Not everyone believes what your 1600-year old book of fables says. Hell, even Paul’s letter to the Galatians is a very late forgery. When you start using logic and rationalism to debate your points, more people will listen to you. As soon as you bring up your invisible sky pixie, you’ve immediately lost the argument.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:56 pmDo you think a deal can happen here? The Christian Right can go on hating everyone that is not currently helping the Christian Right while the rest of us will go on hating them.
I am more fearful of Pat Robertson types, than the alqeda types.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:57 pmREAD YOUR BIBLE
“Ye though I say unto you, they shall raise up the least among them to the highest post and he shall appear as a monkee. The sheep shall follow and the lies shall flow like water from the sea. They shall believe his deceptions and follow him unto war with the wrong nation. And Cheney will shoot a guy in the face too.”
Lobotomy 9:11
September 26th, 2006 at 1:57 pm43 - Ignoring them will not make them go away.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:57 pmFEAR, FEAR, FEAR!!!
As a Christ loving Christian I cringe everytime I hear about one of these “meetings” where the red staters get in a group and decide how too focus their hate. With all the ills in the world they focus on “GAYS”? I mean do GAYS cause terrorism, global hunger, global warming, injustice to the poor and powerless, high taxes, infanticide, I could go on…. Why don’t they address some real issues and stop villifying everyone they do not agree with.
This is why I cannot look at or listen to Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh or any of the other Neo Crumb facist. Bush + Rove= Pinky & the Brain.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:58 pmThey’re just upset because they thought George Allen was going to be there boy. Now what’s an Evangelical Christian to do, Vote for an Abortionist like Rudi or a Mormon like Mitt? Are the Social Theocrats going to stay at home in 08 and lose the White House and the Congress? Awhhhh, dats so sad.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:58 pmDaryll,
Your God doesn’t have any influence over me, so save the Bible references. I don’t have time to engage in your fiction right now. Sell it to the weak-minded, they’re easier to convince and control.
“Demonic act”, witchcraft? Good gosh, I didn’t know Calvinism was still being practiced!
September 26th, 2006 at 1:58 pmp.s. Jesus doesn’t blog, so save your prayers for bedtime.
So why are they worshipping the former cheerleader and Gannonite…
G.W. Bush?
…and don’t forget for a moment…
…Lynn Cheney’s lesbian (fantasy? or memoir)…
September 26th, 2006 at 1:58 pmBIBLE COMEDY
Who said you Christian Taliban are not some wacky people. We love some of your twisted humor in the Bible. Was this covored during Sunday Sermon?
Incestuous Relations
“And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.” (Genesis 2:23)
“And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. and Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.” (Genesis 4:1-2)
“And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch…” (Genesis 4:17)
Comment
Since Eve came from Adam and due to God’s edict to “be fruitful and multiply,” this describes the first incestual relationship.
In 4:17 one must infer incest for Cain would have had to have sex with either his own mother, Eve, or an unnamed sister.
For other examples of Biblical incest see Gen. 20:12 where Abraham married his half-sister Sarah; Gen. 19:30-38 where Lot’s daughters had intercourse with him; Gen. 38:16 where Tamar had sex with her father-in-law Judah.
People should become aware that many of today’s incestuous abuses occur in Christian families and many use Biblical scripture for its justification.
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Passing Wind
Wherefore my bowels shall sound like a harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh. (Isaiah 16:11)
Comment
September 26th, 2006 at 1:59 pmThis passage refers to the flatulent passing of gas in musical fashion from the bowels of a prophet. Could this represent a rare instance of humor in the Bible?
I wonder how many “christians’ who are put off by “homosexual” sex have ever had anal sex with their partner, girl friend, a prostitute, secretary, neighbors wife or any other woman? Is their issue that anal sex is bad (recognizing that gay people engage in other types of sexual activity also). I guess if they have engaged in anal with someone of the opposite sex thats ok because “god” didn’t specifically call anal sex an abomination in the christian fairy tale book the bible if it was with the opposite sex. Only same sex anal buggering is bad. There’s another one of those biblical contradictions that makes me ecstatic that I abandoned organized religion when I was in college. I sleep with much less guilt now also.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pmDave+von+Ebers, the wages of sin is death. I don’t believe in physically killing individuals. God will deal with those who break his laws. The bible is as sharp as a two edge sword. That’s why most people in society create their own ideology about what’s ethically and morally correct because they feel biblical laws are hard to follow and endure.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pmWHERE ARE THE CHRISTIAN TALIBAN SCHOLARS???
Perhaps you bible scholars can clear up some magical thinking discrepancies. ANYONE?
Do you have a full beard? (Lev. 19:27)
Do you never eat shellfish? (Lev. 11:12)
Do you condone, under certain circumstances, prostitution? (Isaiah 23:17-1
Do you believe that the earth is flat? (Revel. 7:1). If you can answer all of this with a firm yes (and if you *can’t*, I shudder at your hypocrisy), I would like to invite you to join forces to eradicate all vegetarians (1 Timothy 4:1-3; Romans 14:2), since they are a much overlooked abomination in the eye of the Lord. There are enough Christians like yourself dealing with gays and lesbians, but the Lord will surely be pleased if finally someone (you??) starts the long overdue crusade against vegetarians!
Moses puts blood on Aaron’s right ear, thumb, and big toe. 8:23-24
God kills Aaron’s sons for offering “strange fire before the Lord.” 10:1-2
Hares are unclean since they chew the cud. 11:6
Bats are just unclean birds. 11:13,19
Four-legged birds are an abomination to God. 11:20
Insects have four legs. 11:21, 23
Baby girls are twice as dirty as baby boys. 12:1-8
God’s cure for leprosy. 14:2-32
What to do if “he that hath the issue spit upon him that is clean.” 15:8
What to do “if any man’s seed of copulation go out from him.” 15:16-18
Menstruating women are unclean to God. 15:19-30
God’s law for wet dreams. 15:16-17, 32
Don’t look at any naked menstruating women. 18:19
Don’t mix seeds when sowing a field or wear a garment with mixed fibers. 19:19
If you have sex with a slave woman, you must then scourge her. 19:20
Don’t round the corners of your head or mar the corners of your beard. 19:27
Children who curse their parents, adulterers, and homosexuals must be killed. 20:9-12
Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. 20:27
The unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death. 21:9
Handicapped people must not approach the altar. 21:16-23
Cursers and blasphemers must be stoned to death. 24:16, 24
God’s instructions for buying slaves. 25:45-46
“Ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.” 26:16
God will “send wild beasts among you, which shall rob your of your children.” 26:22
“And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” 26:29
God places a dollar value on human life; with women worth less than men. 27:3-7
September 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pmJesus, please help Daryl to understand that he is no better than anyone else. Self-righteous republicans aren’t recognized under your biblical law. We thank you.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pmYou can’t argue with them while allowing them to use God or the Bible as a basis of fact, or you will lose everytime. Destructing the concept of God and the validity of Religion as a basis for governing is the only way to move forward.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pmTo all the ‘bad’ Christians: Personally I don’t believe in hell, and you can’t prove there is a hell,unless you relalize ‘people’ make hell on earth. When bible thumpers tell me ‘your going to hell’….I simply say ‘Prove it’. I’ve been hearing the ‘Jesus is coming NEXT WEEK’…stuff for my 67 years…oh please.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pm#57…ROFLMAO!!
September 26th, 2006 at 2:03 pmJesus, please let our Senate and House propose and pass a bill banning abortion and adultery. We thank you for your word. Help progressives to understand that liberalism isn’t recognized under your biblical law. We thank you.
Comment by Daryll — September 26, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
Exactly, Daryll. Cause we all know when Jesus fed the hungry and healed the sick, he only took care of those who had the means to pay.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:04 pm#57
lol
September 26th, 2006 at 2:04 pmJust a note here > the GOP group mentioned claims the anti-Christ is Gay, so I guess Chavez was right that he smells sulfur around Bush, since Bush likes guys and must be the devil > lol.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:06 pmDaryll, get a life! Seriously. People like you make me want to become an atheist. I am so tired of you judgmental people. I have never been so embarrassed to be a Christian. People like you, Daryll, should shut their mouths before you turn more people away from Christ. As a matter of fact, Daryll, why don’t you take all that energy you spend hating people and do something edifying with it. Take that energy and divert it to public service. Donate your time to help the elderly or the poor. Perhaps then, Daryll, you will see what life is through the eyes of Christ.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:07 pmPaul, once you’re able to guide your life around Acts 2:38 then you’ll understand about god’s glorious works during the B.C. and A.D. timeframe and even now. The bible is real, read Revelations.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:07 pmwow….Daryll really needs to wake up. I bet this dude has never traveled anywhere in the world other than to his church or his own backyard. Believe in God if that is what makes you happy and live a good life. Stop judging others and trust that everyone else is striving for a good and happy life. Daryll, if your ‘my Christian life is better than your Hedonistic life’ rhetoric brings you happiness, then you have lost your focus on what God really is. You are really no better than a Islamic fundamentalist.
Pray for peace…actually, demand peace. Promote love and tolerance. If two people love each other and they are consenting adults AND they are happy, my hats off to them. Let’s worry about real problems and work toward real solutions rather than the same old tired bible thumping.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:08 pmBarry Goldwater vs the Religious Right
“I don’t have any respect for the Religious Right.”
“Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell’s ass.”
“The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,”
“A woman has a right to an abortion.”
“I am a conservative Republican,” Barry Goldwater wrote in a 1994 Washington Post essay, “but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state.”
When Sandra Day O’Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that “every good Christian should be concerned.” Replied Goldwater, “Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell’s ass.”
The five-term U.S. senator from Arizona was equally unimpressed with TV preacher Pat Robertson. When Robertson sought the GOP nomination for president in 1988, Goldwater wasn’t about to say amen. “I believe in separation of church and state,” observed Goldwater. “Now, he doesn’t believe that . . . I just don’t think he should be running.”
A few years later he told The Advocate, “I don’t have any respect for the Religious Right. There is no place in this country for practicing religion in politics. That goes for Falwell, Robertson and all the rest of these political preachers. They are a detriment to the country.”
While some Americans might find Goldwater’s stand against all interaction between religion and politics too sweeping, many would agree with his strong commitment to individual freedom of conscience on issues as diverse as religion in schools, gay rights or abortion. In 1994 he told The Los Angeles Times, “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means. They think I’ve turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right.”
Goldwater, an Episcopalian, had theological differences with greedy TV preachers. “I look at these religious television shows,” he said, “and they are raising big money on God. One million, three million, five million - they brag about it. I don’t believe in that. It’s not a very religious thing to do.”
But Goldwater was also deeply worried about the Religious Right’s long-term impact on his beloved GOP. “If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet,” he told U.S. News & World Report in 1994, “they could do us in.” In an interview with The Post that same year, Goldwater observed, “When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.”
But most importantly, Goldwater was deeply concerned about the Religious Right’s relentless war on the Constitution and basic American freedoms. In a Sept. 15, 1981 senate speech, Goldwater noted that Falwell’s Moral Majority, anti-abortion groups and other Religious Right outfits were sometimes referred to in the press as the “New Right” and the “New Conservatism.” Responded Goldwater, “Well, I’ve spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ‘Old Conservatism.’ And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength.” Insisted Goldwater, “Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. . . “By maintaining the separation of church and state,” he explained, “the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?”
Goldwater concluded with a waming to the American people. “The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,” { he said,} “unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . . We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn’t stop now” { he insisted}. “To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.”
Say what you want about Barry Goldwater but the man was not afraid to say what he thought and spoke his convictions.
I also encourage you to see this. His grand =daughter CC Goldwater did a fantastic job producing this documentary
MR. CONSERVATIVE: GOLDWATER ON GOLDWATER
September 26th, 2006 at 2:09 pmhttp://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/mrconservative/
Why do you all think (mostly White, mostly conservative, soccer mom housewife types)…
…are killing themselves to look thin (ghostly pale and sickeningly fragile), and shave their pubic hair?
…because their significant others are:
a) pedophiles who like the little kid look…
or
b) gays who like little boys…
September 26th, 2006 at 2:11 pmDaryll (75),
Such claptrap. I personally was a Christian for many, many years and was instilled with the same nonsense as you are now. Claiming the Bible is real by quoting the Bible itself is circular logic and therefore invalid.
Now, you go read “The Christ Conspiracy - The Greatest Story Ever Sold” which will show that 1) The vast majority of the NT is a massive forgery, 2) That your Jesus likely never existed and 3) That Christianity is nothing more than a combination of many much earlier solar cults.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:13 pm# 75 If Acts 2:38 causes me to hate like it does to the christian fundies, I think I’ll skip it, thanks.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:13 pmThey hate in God’s name.
nothing blasphemous about that I guess.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:15 pmThe bible is real, read Revelations.
Comment by Daryll
Yes, the Bible is real (I own one), but there’s NOTHING in Revelations to prove ANYTHING in the book is factual.
Here’s a bold claim I’m making (and I know I’m right):
THE WORLD WILL END SOME DAY, AND IT WONT BE PRETTY (when our Sun runs out of fuel and blows up as a Super Nova, the Earth will be destroyed). And I don’t need a Theologian or one Secular point of view to convince me of this, thanks.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:17 pm…forget about the blathering morons quoted here…Everyone is missing the real point…
Focus on all the bush administration officials and media personalities that were there… Tony Snow and Attorney General Gonzales, Sen. George Allen (R-VA) and Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AK), Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity…
They are the ones who should be called on the carpet!
September 26th, 2006 at 2:17 pmTexas Juice, Jesus didn’t create Adam for Steve and Eve for Evette. If you call your self a Christian (Christ-like) then you should practice his biblical laws. If not, you’re not a Christian, you just believe you are because of your generational background. Anyway, Christianity doesn’t exist, Jesus said (Ephesians) that his children should be perceived as holy. He never said call them christians, baptist, catholic, methodist………these are religious categories created and implemented by man. Jesus isn’t the author of confusion (Luke).
September 26th, 2006 at 2:20 pm“a verse from the book of Daniel saying the anti-Christ will have no desire for a woman”… that would indicate that the chances are that the “anti-Christ” will in all likelihood be a woman. If she opposes BUSH, I’ll follow her.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:21 pmBishop Boone: We’re not so much ‘mad’ at any of you guys; we’re f***ing heartbroken!…
At this past weekend’s “Value Voter’s Summit,” Bishop Wellington Boone (intentionally not pic.) expressed disappointment that gay activists aren’t “coming at [him] strong,” with the minister saying that he “wants the gays mad at me.” Full tran…
September 26th, 2006 at 2:22 pm“Gays are not mentioned in the New Testament for a reason. God got over it!” - Jesus.
It’s much more fun shaming Daryl into believing in the Christ he claims to worship.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:24 pmI encourage everyone to e-mail this bastard ( I did and it felt good!:)
September 26th, 2006 at 2:28 pmThese are the bottom feeders, people. Keep it in perspective. They are underestimating the millions of straight people who consider THEM to be inspired by satan.
Now I have to go. Need to listen to my new Christina Aguilera CD.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:28 pmthis is were i part with my conservative brothers. the most ardent opponents of theocracy in the middle east, don’t seem to make the connection here. conservatives often refer to the U.S. as a christian nation. we don’t understand how posting the ten commandments at a public courthouse could cause a non-christian to question the justice handed out at that courthouse. would christian parents sit quietly by, if a predominately muslim school distrist agreed to the pledge of allegiance, but with an ‘in allah we trust’ ending? we like to consider ourselves the party of freedom, in the tradition of the founding fathers. but then we feel confident imposing our views about morality on everybody else.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:29 pmArkansas = AR, not AK.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:30 pmwisedup, you’ll find out during judgement day.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:32 pmFrom the still adolecent “wallowing in boner mysteries”
Everywhere I get to speak, I am guarded by the grace of God, being strong on it. Now they’re fussing on it, they’re saying a few things, but they don’t have me, you know”… [no, I don’t know], …
…in their, you know,… [no, no, I mean it; I really don’t know what you mean], …
… on their web sites. They’re not coming at me strong, and I would say this…
Wow! [sigh!] One more big, tough, man, just gettin’ down, and begging for it!
Booorrrrrrrringgggg!
September 26th, 2006 at 2:34 pmToday Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past … (few) years.
Who said that?
[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
September 26th, 2006 at 2:34 pmQUESTION NO XTIAN TALIBAN CAN ANSWER.
1. How does it personally affect you if someone else is gay?
2. If you’re ok with Billions of tax dollars going to Christian based groups then your ok with BILLIONS in tax dollars going to other faith based groups like Islam right?
3. Your ok with being used in fake wedge issues by Karl Rove like Gay marriage right?
September 26th, 2006 at 2:35 pmRepublicans+are+the+fear+and+smear+party, wrong, Jesus never indicated that same sex genders can marry and have intimate relationships. Cease adding your ideology to the bible because it’s condemned. There’s a reason why homosexuals can’t reproduce.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:36 pmI think Daryl is just pretending to be a conservative Republican bible-thumping hate monger.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:37 pmI’m a little disappointed in you GOP Christian Taliban
Ask a GOP Christian Taliban if they believe Hitler’s treatment of the Jews was evil and they will off course tell that it was.
Then ask them why sending all Jews to spend an eternity suffering in the depths of hell (a fate far worse than the horrendous treatment they faced in Hitler’s extermination camps) is not an evil act and they cannot respond.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:38 pmIsn’t it funny how those who call themselves Christians are the most hateful and the most immoral. They support war, they support torture, they support bigotry, they support the rich and ignore the poor. How do you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y?
September 26th, 2006 at 2:41 pmwillis, you just refuse to accept god’s complete word. If you can’t do that, how can you be a christian, the descriptive terminology “christian” means christ-like. How can you be christ-like when you’re not following god’s complete word? Do you drink strong beverages? Do you constantly fornicate with others? Oh, and I have traveled to 16 countries within my lifetime.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:41 pmValues Voters Summit — more like the KKK against gays.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:45 pmNo values - just hate.
No summit - just a podium from which to spew very un-christian, amoral, hate speech.
Those who share the stage with them are demagogues at best — they are more like scum in a muddy swamp.
As they grow more bold, I believe their movement will backfire on them; people will see them as radical freaks and start backing away.
There’s a reason why homosexuals can’t reproduce.
Comment by Daryll
Then I guess your God doesn’t want many hetero couples to reproduce either (hence invitro fertilization). Why does Jesus not want them to produce?
September 26th, 2006 at 2:45 pm#94 Get over yourself Darry, you’re not a christian in any sense of the word. And after forcing myself to read the rest of your nonsense, I can safely say you’re not an American either.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:45 pmAs some of you that take the time to read my post (thank you) know, I am conservative. I will concede that I am a supporter of gay rights. I don’t believe that two people in love should be restricted from getting married. The Constitution should only restrict government and not it’s people
September 26th, 2006 at 2:45 pmIt’s time to tax the church.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:47 pmRepublicans are the fear and smear party, my firm colleagues will inform you that I love Jesus and my lifelong goal is to save as many souls as I can.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:48 pmDon’t like his comments about gays? then give his office a call:
770-840-0888
The lady I spoke with was a real jerk. She acknowledged that he said that and was upset with me for being upset about the word “faggot” being used in a public forum by “Bishop” Wellington Boone.
What a bunch of jerk-offs. Call them and give them some REAL HELL!
September 26th, 2006 at 2:48 pmDaryll, this isn’t a Christian blog. Can’t you find one where you can get together with people who are like you and all hate?
September 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pmFair Tax would take care of that.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:53 pmActually Darryl, I’m a big ol’ Jew. BIG JEW. When Christmas comes, I spell out BIG JEW on my front lawn with pine cones. It looks really wonderful in the snow and all the Baptist wives gasp in horror!
Seriously, Darryl, go read God in Search of Man by Heschel.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:55 pmAnAmerican, please don’t antagonize me or doubt my patriotism. Previously, I was a officer in the Marine Corps. Believe what you believe. I know I adhere to all of the laws, you hear that, ALLLLL OF THE LAWS in the bible.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:55 pmDarryl, are you a professor at PSU?
September 26th, 2006 at 2:57 pmI have a link for all of you to visit, . My overseer is pastor Gino Jennings.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:00 pmDarryl,
You follow all the LAWX from Leviticus? Because, it was Leviticus you were quoting earlier, wasn’t it?
You never eat shellfish?
Never wear clothing of mixed fibers?
Don’t cut the hair on the side of your head?
Sell your daughter into slavery the proper way?
Own slaves from Canada?
etc, etc, etc……
Do you support the death penalty as the Bible promotes for breaking these laws?
September 26th, 2006 at 3:02 pmDaryll
True, if you are a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim. If you are not you just have to follow the Noahide Laws, because God can’t go back on his word and those laws were supposed to be everyone else’s pass into heaven.
At least that is my plan should I prove to be wrong about this whole “God doesn’t exist” thing.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:03 pmwillis, good for you. I’m friendly with people of different descents/cultures. Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?
September 26th, 2006 at 3:03 pm# 114, I’m not ‘doubting’ your patriotism, I’m saying there isn’t a patriotic bone in your body.
Anyone wanting any form of religion impacting our Constitution, is not an American.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:04 pmactually the scripture says that he *shall not have regard for the desire of women*
sounds to me like the antichrist will be a conservative republican.
If you believe that crap. Personally I think the fundies are sorely mythtaken.
: )
September 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pmHere’s a little something for the Bible-bangers:
Landover Baptist’s Bible Quizzes
September 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pmSigh.
I notice once again that none of our conservative posters (accept the conservatives here who say they DON’T agree with the religious right) can answer any of my questions. (No. 42.)
Why not? Seriously, folks. Have the courage of your convictions.
And, Darryl - Leviticus doesn’t say God will kill homosexuals; Leviticus says that we humans should impose the death penalty on people who engage in gay sex. So your answer in No. 65 is a cop out, plain and simple. If you don’t believe in “physically killing people,” you don’t believe in what Leviticus commands.
Welcome to the club! I don’t either. ‘Course, I think the whole biblical literalism thing is whacky in the first place, so at least I’m consistent.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pmSure the Bible is real — it’s a real book, it has pages that you can read. So do my books on Greek and Roman mythology. Does that make them fact? Can they be proven? Or are they all based upon cultural superstitions, cultural practices and social mores of the time?
The faith-blinded confuse their faith with fact.
The Bible was written and rewritten many times over the centuries, one of the latest was the King James in the 17th century. Then there was the “living” Bible. There was always the Catholic vs. the Protestant Bible.
You can believe whatever you like - just don’t foist it upon me, my family or my country.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:12 pmAnAmerican, the constitution should have been based off of biblical laws. We’re currently living in a very unrighteous America that roleplays homesexuality. The FCC needs to remove Will & Grace, Ellen and Rosie O’Donnell from our television stations until these actors and producers come to their senses.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:15 pm# 125 “AnAmerican, the constitution should have been based off of biblical laws. ”
It wasn’t, so, you’re done.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:17 pmUm, Darryl, I don’t know about you, but I haven’t been “roleplay[ing] homosexuality” lately. (No. 125)
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:18 pmMarie, besides the bible, these books reflect the subject of idolatry. The catholic bible doesn’t exist. It’s a man made religion equivalent to muslims, christian science, mormons and methodist. The bible states to be depicted as holy. It never reflects to worship mary.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:21 pm“Dave+von+Ebers, the wages of sin is death.”
Sorry Daryll, the wages of sin is prison (if you live in a lawful society of course). If God will deal with ’sinners’ then why are there so many ‘Christians’ wanting to hang a ‘faggot’?
“because they feel biblical laws are hard to follow and endure.”
Sorry again Daryll, biblical laws were made up by some guys that decided what biblical laws should be and claimed they ‘talked to God’. The laws they wrote are very old and most don’t have any real application in todays world. Of course, when they wrote the laws they were writing them for themselves, much like changing the torture laws, to suit there own purposes.
“The bible is real, read Revelations.”
The bible is real, sure, but it was written by men, edited again by men, translated again by men, edited again by men and so on. There is NO proof that the bible was written by GOD. Get a grip.
” Jesus conducted many miracles. What about Lazarus? What about turning water into wine?”
What about Lazarus indeed! What about turning water into wine indeed! Where there? Did you see any of these miracles? I didn’t think so. Do you know of anyone that did see any of these miracles? I didn’t think so. These are STORIES and the men who wrote them down DIDN’T SEE THEM EITHER.
“my lifelong goal is to save as many souls as I can.”
It would be really amazing if you could define what a soul is but then you believe in God’s word being written by man.
Go back to your religious blog and your tiny world you live in. You nor anyone else can PROVE that God exists never mind forcing your biblical laws on me.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:26 pmFor Daryll…
Want a few more rounds for you musket, Marine?
Notes on your previous comments.
The New Testament does refer to believers as Christians.
It’s in Acts 11:26: “The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.â€
http://bibleresources.bible.com/ passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Acts+11&version=31
It is true that Jesus never directly addresses the issue of homosexuality. Most of the comments in the New Testament on homosexuality are made by the apostle Paul. Paul notes this behavior in both the books of Romans and 1 Corinthians.
However, Jesus does remark on the God endorsed manner of human sexual expression. That’s in Matthew 19 where Jesus is quoted as saying: 4″Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
http://bibledev.azaz.com/ bibleresources/ passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Matthew+19&book_id=47&version1=31&tp=28&c=19
According to my understanding, the Bible says the God endorsed view of sexuality is one man one woman forever. To my view, if someone calling himself a Christian promotes a different view of sexual expression, I have the right to question what it is they truly believe.
I particularly like these verses in Matthew. In them, Christ endorses both the Genesis account of Creation and marriage between one man and one woman forever.
Christ also so alludes to the destruction of Sodom. Since many people make a point of commenting about what Christ didn’t say, I’ll comment on His allusion to Sodom. He didn’t say Sodom was a mistake.
You may have noted in the Old Testament book of Leviticus that there seems to be a hierarchy of evil. Something in the order idol worship, homosexuality, and child sacrifice. I’m not sure I got the order correct, and the text doesn’t say that one leads to the other. However, it seems to me that one of these types of sins leading to another in some sort of hierarchy of evil is suggested. You’re probably not surprised but I think abortion is child sacrifice.
Thanks for you persistence, Daryll, … and your service to the USA.
People behave sexually irresponsibly and the results are death – either from abortion or disease.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:26 pmThis is the culture of death.
Dave+von+Ebers, I haven’t. I love my fiancee. I bet a lot of you didn’t know that once you marry your fiancee you bound to the individual for life until he/she dies. (Matthew) Those that do divorce and remarry, while their husband/wife is alive, are depicted as adulterers in the New Testament. The bible reflects not to marry if you can’t go into the marriage with your whole heart. We have a lot of adulterers in our society. Divorcing because you don’t feel the love anymore isn’t an excuse.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:26 pmre #128
Um Daryll … this is satire, right?
Or are you that Daryll whose other brother’s name is also Daryll?
Honesly, I can’t decide which option is more chuckle-producing.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:29 pmThem homuh-seck-shuls make me feel all funny inside…kinda like the underwear section in the Sears and Roebuck catalog.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:30 pmDaryll,
Clean the pooh off of your pee-pee.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:34 pmGod bless you bitblt. We have to be persistent in explaining to society that homesexuality is wrong. Notice, I care for everyones’ soul, because if I didn’t, I would call all homosexuals “faggots”, create quotes like, “death to faggots”. I’m all about spreading Jesus’ love as well as informing others about his laws.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:36 pmYikes, Once you adhere to Acts 2:38, you’ll be able to comprehend about Jesus’ love. One you’re doing is commiting blasphemy and I feel sorry for your soul. Let me guess, you don’t have peace in your life.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:39 pmhow many books is MAN going to come up with? why cherrypick information to fit his/her lifestyle? why cherrypick books to fit in the bible? i’ll be expecting the third testament very soon.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:39 pmDarryl,
It seems to me in your most recent post you also said that divorce is a sin. Are you planning to support a constitutional ammendment banning divorce?
And, you still haven’t addressed the issue of stoning individuals who break these biblical laws as the bible commands.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:42 pmYHBT YHL HAND
(I didn’t read the preceding messages and won’t read any responses to this. Just an FYI)
September 26th, 2006 at 3:47 pmOkay, Darryl and bitblt, it’s time for you to answer the questions I raised in No. 42. I’ll break them down for you:
1. Do you believe that Leviticus provides authority for the proposition that homosexuality is a sin today?
2. If you believe that Leviticus’ admonition against homosexual sex remains viable today, do you believe that our laws should criminalize homosexual sex?
3. If you believe that the law should criminalize homosexual sex, should the punishment be death as prescribed in Leviticus?
4. If you believe Leviticus’ injunction against homosexual sex is a sin and should be criminalized, but that it should not be punishable by death, why not?
5. Where in the New Testament do you find any statement that Jesus, in effect, repealed the death penalty for homosexual sex?
6. Do you think it is morally acceptable to execute people for engaging in gay sex?
7. If you do not believe that executing people who engage in gay sex is morally acceptable, how do you square the God of Leviticus, who commanded that humans execute anyone guilty of engaging in gay sex, with your own moral code which finds executing gays to be abhorrent?
8. Is it possible that some portions of the Bible - say, the verses in Leviticus that call for the death penalty for gay sex - do not represent the inerrant word of God but were inserted by fallible human beings?
This is a sarcasm free post. I really want to know your answers to these questions.
Dave
September 26th, 2006 at 3:47 pmdon’t think so commented
on what he supposed the Christian view of the book of Leviticus to be in #117.
You don’t know what the relationship is between Christianity and the Old Testament book of Leviticus. You suggest what you think are the ways Christians are suppose to act or suppose to believe based on your lack of understanding of this relationship.
Instead of trying to explain this to someone whose interest is questionable, let me give you one or to items that are easy to remember.
You may have noticed that Christians don’t make animal sacrifices. The reason Christians don’t make animal sacrifices is because Jesus Christ is considered the perfect sacrifice.
Christ was sacrificed on the cross.
The ramifications of this sacrifice – specifically stated in the New Testament – is that the old law – the Jewish Law is not binding.
However, whatever is good behavior in the Old Testament remains good behavior in the New Testament.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:48 pmthat man reminds me of a man of principles, a man by the name of William J. Simmons, he believed what he believed and took no crap, of course he was one of the founders of the KKK but I degress.
September 26th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#142 - the content of the Bible was an intensely political decision made by the Council of Nicea led by the sitting Roman Emperor. Also see the Nicean Creed, where the formerly monotheistic God was split into three: the dad, the kid and the spook. It marks the end of the time of Christianity as a religion of the persecuted and the start of it as the religion of the persecutors. So how do we account for the translation of much of it from Hebrew to Greek and then to Latin and then to 16th Century English. A bit dodgy to base your system of laws on a four-times translated work?
September 26th, 2006 at 3:55 pmOne of our thoughtful commenters suggested that we should ignore such cranks. I disagree. These people need to be shut down and shut up. Us normal thinking human beings are amused by these idiots and fail to address them, never taking them seriously enough until it is too late and those vocal, visceral few come to power.
It has already happened. Those narrow-minded fools who worshipped Leo Strauss and his philosophy now wish to carry it a few steps further.
To save our nation and our freedom we MUST take these religious zealots seriously and strike back without shame or inhibition. Do not shrug them off as inconsequential; they plan to win at all costs.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:05 pm“Yikes, Once you adhere to Acts 2:38, you’ll be able to comprehend about Jesus’ love. One you’re doing is commiting blasphemy and I feel sorry for your soul. Let me guess, you don’t have peace in your life.”
Well darryl, where I live there are no bombs going off so I would say I do have peace in my life. I have for a long time given up Faith for Truth. I’m just trying to spread the Truth. Unfortunately, people such as yourself put Faith before Truth.
Why would I adhere to Acts 2:38? Who wrote Acts anyway? Wasn’t it supposed to be Luke? Doesn’t Luke himself say that he wasn’t there to witness any miracles? ”
1Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.”
Well we know Luke didn’t witness anything but look, he investigated everything! Sorry Daryll, that doesn’t do it for me.
The bible cannot be proven to be the “Word of God”. Just because the rich and powerful of day decided it to be does not make it so. The Truth of how and why the bible was compiled is, for now, lost. There are even many more books that at one time were in the bible but someone decided to remove them - doesn’t that make you wonder at all?
Daryll, try and realize that Faith is not the only path to peace in life.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:12 pmDaryll (151),
No, you don’t fear “the lord”, you fear the unknown, fear death and enjoy having your own prejudices confirmed by a “higher being”. To paraphrase someone (I forget who right now), you can tell that a religion is man-made when its god hates all the same people its followers do.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:13 pmPaul, Jesus loves everyone, but if you love him you’ll follow his commandments.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:18 pm- Thomas Jefferson
September 26th, 2006 at 4:20 pmbitblt - I know a thing or two about the New Testament, having been a Catholic for 44 years. So please, I don’t need the lecture.
(Oh, and Darryl, thanks for parroting some good ol’ fashion anti-Catholic bigotry along with your anti-gay bigotry. Nice to know some things never change. One li’l point of order, though: the “man” you refer to who started th’ Catholic Church? His name was, um, Jesus Christ or something. Of course, he wasn’t nearly as Godly as, say, Martin Luther or King Henry VIII - ya know, two of the men who started the Reformation …. But I digress.)
And, um, bitblt, I believe YOU quoted Leviticus in support of your views on homosexuality, so I think its fair to ask how much of Leviticus you really believe in.
Anyway, bitblt, why can’t you just answer my questions?
You say that “the Jewish Law is not binding” after Jesus came ’round. Well, that may be but that general injunction would mean that ALL of Leviticus falls. Leviticus is, after all, a legal code. So, if Leviticus made homosexuality a crime (and it did), that law is no longer effective.
You try to straddle the middle position by saying that “whatever is good behavior in the Old Testament remains good behavior in the New Testament,” but notice how you’ve changed the terminology in a very significant way. Now, by your definition, homosexuality is simply “bad behavior,” like picking your nose or biting your fingernails (though I can’t say I recall a specific Biblical injunction against the latter two; still, they’re pretty gross!). So, are you saying that homosexual sex is just bad behavior? Which means, I suppose, that it should not be outlawed (’cuz, ya know, Leviticus no longer applies).
And again, you fail to answer the underlying questions that I pose in No. 144. Specifically:
6. Do you think it is morally acceptable to execute people for engaging in gay sex?
7. If you do not believe that executing people who engage in gay sex is morally acceptable, how do you square the God of Leviticus, who commanded that humans execute anyone guilty of engaging in gay sex, with your own moral code which finds executing gays to be abhorrent?
8. Is it possible that some portions of the Bible - say, the verses in Leviticus that call for the death penalty for gay sex - do not represent the inerrant word of God but were inserted by fallible human beings?
I am particularly interested in your answers to questions 6 and 7. Seems to me, you got a lotta ’splainin’ to do …
September 26th, 2006 at 4:21 pm#128 Daryll
ROTFLOL
Your unquestioning faith is blinding you.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:22 pmYour comments are illogical and contradictory, prejudiced and downright stupid.
- Thomas Paine
September 26th, 2006 at 4:26 pmDave+von+Ebers, Jesus didn’t create the Catholic faith. Please prove your statement in detail.
September 26th, 2006 at 4:30 pmi think i can guess the fun name his fellow american george allen has for old wellington boone, and it ain’t mohawk. wellington must know his place for george to show up. what is the catalyst by which the axiom ‘opposites attract’ becomes ‘like unto like’? banquet food