Declassified NIE Shows Cheney and Bush Misled Americans
Declassified NIE Shows Cheney and Bush Misled Americans
The National Intelligence Estimate — “the most authoritative document[] that the intelligence community produces” — was delivered to President Bush and Vice President Cheney in April 2006. It was declassified today. Here’s a key excerpt:
The Iraq conflict has become the ’cause celebre’ for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.
President Bush, August 21 2006:
Vice President Cheney, September 10, 2006:
Transcripts:
Clip 1
BUSH: You know, I’ve heard this theory about everything was just fine until we arrived, and kind of “we’re going to stir up the hornet’s nest” theory. It just doesn’t hold water, as far as I’m concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.
Clip 2
RUSSERT: Here’s what the American people said in a recent poll. Is the U.S. involvement in Iraq or Afghanistan creating more terrorists or eliminating terrorists? And look at that. Overwhelmingly, 54 percent, clear majority, believe we are creating more terrorists.
TEXT:
U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN
CREATING MORE TERRORISTS 54%
ELIMINATING TERRORISTS 15%
The New York Times CBS/Poll
CHENEY: I, I, I can’t buy that.
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Cheney is telling the truth according to Cheney. He can’t buy it because it wasn’t what the PNAC had planned for and so it can’t possibly be allowed in his head.
September 26th, 2006 at 6:43 pmIs it too much to ask that everyone in the Bush Cabal be held accountable for their mis-leadership?
ITMFAsses now!
September 26th, 2006 at 6:44 pmI like the “Freedom Agenda” that includes
1. Invading countries
September 26th, 2006 at 6:47 pm2. Raping and pillaging
3. Secret CIA prisons
4. Torture
5. Redifining the Geneva convension
6. Igonring Habeas corpus
Let Freedom Reign
I’m feeling a lot safer already!!!
September 26th, 2006 at 6:49 pmFirst they need to resign, and then be held accountable. Otherwise they’re plunging headlong into impeachment.
September 26th, 2006 at 6:50 pmIrrefutable evidence that this administration incapable of ever telling the truth about anything. Guillotine the bastards.
September 26th, 2006 at 6:52 pmI agree! This SOB has been misleading “We The People” for toooooo long. Make this asshole shit his bed!!!
September 26th, 2006 at 6:53 pmI agree! This SOB has been misleading “We The People” for toooooo long. Make this asshole shit his bed!!!
September 26th, 2006 at 6:53 pmJesus loves me,
What exactly is the “Geneva convension“?
Is that similar to the Geneva Conventions?
Haha.
September 26th, 2006 at 6:54 pmKids, can you say neo-con neo-fascist neo-imperial neo-colonial aggression in the 21st century? Put a fork in the Bush war crime family: they’re done… Four-and-twenty neo-cons baked in an Iraqi Quagmire Pie…
September 26th, 2006 at 6:56 pmI think Martin Luther King said, “We must stand up!”. Will “We The People” ever stand up, again?
September 26th, 2006 at 6:58 pmLife better not get toooo lazy. Or life will get really real once again.
Why even have an intelligence community if we aren’t going to use them???
If MSM doesn’t start asking this administration some serious questions on foreign policy after such an independant, authoritative report, then what do we need to do to get their attention?
September 26th, 2006 at 6:59 pmIt’s funny, Bush is telling the public that the leak was meant to confuse Americans.
No, the leak was meant to give the truth to Americans, and when you combine that with Bush’s bullshit, yes it can be confusing.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:01 pmI keep waiting for the bushbots to show up to tell us how we’re safer because terrorism is increasing and becoming more widespread.
Maybe they’ll sit this one out?
September 26th, 2006 at 7:01 pmComment like #3 is exactly why American’s know that liberals are weak on national security.
You liberal like to say “ya, we liberals are tough on national security”. but your actions say your WEAK on national security.
Liberal are traitors and that is why you keep losing elections.
The funny thing is that you don’t even know it.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:08 pmAnd then I prayed “God save the world from this Terrible Bastard’s “Freedom Agenda”!”
September 26th, 2006 at 7:09 pm“It’s funny, Bush is telling the public that the leak was meant to confuse Americans. ”
Yes! Isn’t that odd.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:10 pmThe president also said that it was interesting that the report was leaked during the mid-term election campaign. Don’t people realize that only the Neocons are allowed to play politics.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:15 pmMark Glesne
If spelling is the only fault you can find in my argument, then I’m pretty flattered.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:16 pmI will bring Dick Cheney and his Administration to their knees!
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September 26th, 2006 at 7:18 pmever notice what happens when it’s mentioned that the trolls are missing…?
September 26th, 2006 at 7:20 pmheh…
Comment like #3 is exactly why American’s know that liberals are weak on national security.
Comment by Greg+(G-Dawg) — September 26, 2006 @ 7:08 pm
So, Greg, are you saying that it is necessary to invade militarily weak countries that haven’t attacked us, to rape, pillage, and torture their people, run secret prisons, deny constitutional rights to American citizens, and forgo the Geneva Conventions in the name of security? If so, then I will tell you two things: these actions do not foster security, and these actions do not represent American values. So that would pretty much make you a traitor to basic American values, now wouldn’t it? So shouldn’t you be moving to some place like Iran or North Korea where you can get your fill of fundamentalistism and/or fascism?
September 26th, 2006 at 7:23 pmGWB attack the wrong country… Period. Deal with it GWB. Most people knew before the NIE that you are the biggest screw up in history. GWB went to war with the wrong country and lost.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:24 pmGreg,
Your claim of “liberals” being “weak on security” is rather general, especially since you provide no factual evidence to support the claim. Please specifically show, with factual evidence, how you derived at such.
Be specific. Remember, calling someone an “idiot” without solid evidence only proves that they making the claim is an idiot.
I look forward to your detailed response.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:25 pmOf course, they did and everyone now knows it. Now what do we do about it? Other than simple “impeachment” and then trial….I should think that if Clinton was impeach for lying about a blowjob; these cons should be impeached for lying to get us into a war for the wrong reasons with the blood of not only our own troops on their hands but the blood of innocent Iraqi’s as well (war crimes, anyone?).
September 26th, 2006 at 7:28 pmDo you know what the word plural means? Do you know how to pluralize words? Did you know that the nineteenth letter in the English language is the “S”? It is used to pluralize words. You can get all the info you need in school. Probably around the third grade.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:29 pmProjection at it’s finest - Bushitco wrote the book on it! Everything they accuse others of, they are doing themselves. Believe the diametric opposite of what they say and you’ll have the actual Truth - in ALL things. Believe Nothing that comes from this administration.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:29 pmand I love that “numbnuts” expression on Dumbya’s face with his hands out to either side and that sickening twisted smirk on his face…..a good caption would be “caught me again, and in the act”…..or “I was only tryin’ to protect you”….what crapola!
September 26th, 2006 at 7:31 pmOk, so what’s the catch?
Oh, I forgot… Neocons/Zionists own the US and British media and the American populace are complete and utter morons. There doesn’t need to be a catch. These guys can just flaunt and mislead the populace with no consequences.
Nothing to see here… move one. Just another story that will amount to nothing in 3-4 days.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:35 pmWhy did terrorists waite until Republicans took over national security before they attacked? Why did Bush do nothing to prevent 9/11? Why did Bush invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? It’s because Republicans are weak on national security. They are traitors!
September 26th, 2006 at 7:40 pmThough they like to claim the opposite, it was obvious that the Bush Cabinet was operating in the old Cold War mindset when they focussed on missile defense.
September 26th, 2006 at 7:58 pmAnd what does the “Freedom Agenda” look like here at home?
This is the model of “freedom” America presents to the world. No wonder we have to export it using our military might.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:03 pmPassenger: Hey Captain, what did you do that for?
Captain of the Titanic: Do what?
Passenger: Hit that iceberg. You steered the ship into that iceberg. Didn’t anyone tell you that was a bad idea?
Captain of the Titanic: Well that iceberg was a gathering threat out here on the ocean, we needed to act before it was too late. I have to keep all the passengers safe from gathering threats.
Passenger: Yes but ramming it at full speed, there’s a f***ing great hole in the side of the ship, that’s not going to make me any safer. Besides, I don’t think you’ve got enough lifeboats.
Captain of the Titanic: Now calm down son, you’re either with us or you are with the iceberg on this.
Passenger: Actually Captain, the iceberg has split up into lots of icebergs, looks like lots of ships are threatened by them now…
Captain of the Titanic: Don’t be naive son, this just means you need me more than ever to keep you safe.
Passenger: Are you nuts? What makes you think I’m going to sail on any boat that you captain again?
Captain of the Titanic: You don’t like my Swift Boat? Why do you hate my Swift Boat?
September 26th, 2006 at 8:04 pmI dont think Bush reads the NIE
September 26th, 2006 at 8:15 pm(which sounds about right to me)
Even in this sanitized version of the key findings, it still contradicts what the Bush administration has been saying.
One can only imagine what the full report says if this is the best face the White House can put on it.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:26 pmI think the point that we are all missing is, to 30 or 40% of Americans don’t care about facts, they just want to kill who they hate. To them it’s, we’re right and you are dead.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:31 pmPassenger: You know where all these smaller icebergs came from right? Everyone on this side of the ship says so.
Captain of the Titanic: I don’t follow polls. But just say I do for once.
Passenger: They say that these icebergs appeared after you hit the big one at full speed. What do you think of that?
Captain of the Titanic: I, I, I can’t buy that.
Passenger: So we’re holed below the waterline, there aren’t enough boats for everyone and, well I saw the movie, even Di Caprio croaks.
Captain of the Titanic: What class are you in? Oh that’s too bad. Ooh look at that!
Passenger: What?
Captain of the Titanic: There’s another iceberg over there. Ooh that’s a gathering threat if ever I saw one. All right number one - stop lowering the boats, let’s get some steam up again, we’re setting course for that iceberg over there. Can’t let that iceberg threaten us, I bet it has something to do with these other icebergs over here. We’ve got our ‘iceberg agenda’ to carry out.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:32 pmEinstein: I think the Captain’s insane.
Passenger: I agree, but why do you think so?
Einstein: Well doing the same thing and expecting a different result by ramming that other iceberg over there - that’s just barmy. Anyway, sorry again for that cosmological constant thing. Best of luck. Which way is the bar?
Passenger: Hey Captain, I just talked to an expert in the field of iceberg removal and he says you are insane to think that ramming that other iceberg will do anything to clear the shipping lanes of all these icebergs you’ve already caused.
Captain of the Titanic: You again. Didn’t you get the memo? We’re ramming the icebergs here, so we don’t have to ram them in New York harbor. A dictatorship would be a lot easier, as long as I am the dictator. Why do you give comfort and aid to the icebergs?
Passenger: Well I just happen to think that there are other approaches to clearing the shipping lanes of icebergs, besides ramming them, creating more icebergs and f***ing up our ships.
Captain of the Titanic: Come on then Einstein…
Passenger: I’m not Einstein - he’s in the bar though if you want to ask his advice.
Captain of the Titanic: …stuff him, pointy-headed intellectual.. I listen to a higher authority. Anyway you were saying….
Passenger: Well if you stopped ramming the icebergs and say created a global climate change that heated up the earth and would prevent the icebergs from forming to begin with, then everyone’s ships could sail peacfully on the oceans, iceberg free.
Captain of the Titanic: Global warming? Now you are the one who is insane. There’s no concensus either way to say that Global Warming is real, and besides my science officer, Mr Crichton, assures me that it’s all bunk and people couldn’t affect the climate besides. Trust me, it’s much better to ram the icebergs.
Passenger: Yes, I do seem to be mixing my metaphors now. Perhaps I should join Einstein in the bar and wait for the inevitable….
September 26th, 2006 at 8:55 pmIraq is Afghanistan all over again: We go into a Muslim country, make a mess of it, and it becomes a hotbed of terrorism. Osama bin Laden learned to become a terrorist at the CIA training camps in Pakistan that our government set up in the 1980s to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Twenty years later, those CIA-trained “freedom fighters” launched the 9/11 attacks … and Bush used it as an excuse to invade yet another Muslim country.
Twenty years from now, who knows what horror will be unleashed on us by terrorists who either cut their terrorist teeth in–or were inspired by–the insurgency in Iraq. The problem is that the public — with the help of the government and the media — will have forgotten about the connection, just as we’ve forgotten about the connection between our misadventures in Afghanistan and September 21, 2001.
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September 26th, 2006 at 9:04 pmI wonder what it will take to wake people up (although I DO think their eyes are just barely starting to open). Will the sentence: “Bush and Congress not only have made you less safe, they have made your children and grandchildren less safe” help you to fully open their eyes?
September 26th, 2006 at 9:26 pmAnd to you right-wing Christians: you aren’t stupid. You know that it’s wrong to keep sending young people to fight in this war. You know torture is wrong. Unborn babies? Come on! Your preachers are trying to distract you, hoping you won’t think for yourselves.
A few more days of this storm, and the lies from Bush, Cheney, Rice and Snow, coupled with Rummy’s troubles with the military, Bolton’s leaving the UN and we may see a melt down on national TV.
September 26th, 2006 at 9:30 pmWatch Bush in his futile effort to make his case; he is either on the sauce or worse.
Watch Rice as she lies so often she trips on them; her words are contradicted with evidence within hours.
Best case scenario: Bush blows up, and is carried off by aides. Cheney’s heart stops. Rice quits under pressure. Rummy is confined to the Alzheimer’s unit at Walter Reed.
Bolton goes off chasing the Wiley Coyote.
Democrats hire a crane to remove Hastert. Frist goes off to perform virtual surgery via video camera.
Democrats take over and we start to become America again.
This is making me sick.
By the way, Bush & Cheney did not “mislead” us — they LIED to us.
They LIED to this country. They are LIARS.
Thousands and thousands of people on earth are dead and injured because these people are LIARS.
Why is that ok with the 32%? Or the trolls? Why?
September 26th, 2006 at 9:40 pmBush read the NIE report?? The only thing we’ve ever seen him read is “My Pet Goat”….ahahahaha ahahahaha….baaaaaaaa!
September 26th, 2006 at 9:45 pmand Zooey - yes, they are liars - that’s the cold hard fact. And the lies are mounting up day by day, as we americans are now learning with many more to yet be unveiled. All I can say is that Clinton was impeached for lying about what he did as two consenting adults; this man has lied and thousands of people have died. Not one lie…but now we are discovering one lie atop another, and another, and another. That’s why they say that “lying never works” because the compounding of lie upon lie eventually catches up with you. It’s clear that when Bush is asked questions “off the cuff”, he’s dumbstruct because at this point he cannot remember which lie he’s said to whom. EACH OF THESE LIES ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES. If Clinton was impeached for one lie, where’s the justice here?
September 26th, 2006 at 9:49 pmand 32% who condone lying are either paid trolls (doing it for the money) or corrupt GOP’ers (doing it for the money)…same difference!
September 26th, 2006 at 9:50 pmRep. Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, called on the White House to release a second, previously unknown national intelligence document that focuses solely on Iraq. Harman says the document has been kept in draft form so that it won’t be seen before midterm elections.
“I hear it paints a grim picture. And because it does, I am told it is being held until after the November elections. If this estimate is finished, it should not be stamped ‘draft’ and hidden from the American people until after the elections,” Harman said in a statement.
September 26th, 2006 at 9:54 pmand “misleading” is just the GOP’s synonym for outright “lying”!
September 26th, 2006 at 10:20 pmNO I think the terrorist made us less safe. Remember that we were attacked many times before; look at the list at this site http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/terrorism/101/timeline.html
September 26th, 2006 at 10:29 pmThe real truth is terrorism has been on the rise since the wide spread use of the internet (1985 +) and the globalization of our news network (CNN and other satellite news agencies). Unfortunately our government didn’t act proactively in response to these previous attacks (for what ever reason) and we were seen as weak or as an easy target. I remember on the playground that the weak were always picked on by the bullies until they were put in there place by some one acting in the communities (playgrounds) best interest, bullies never quit when ignored.
Remember we should use this blog for real discussion not just pointless ranting.
Good post’s Marie and all, this entire mess and the reich’s responses remind me of flushing the toilet, note how all the water swirrls as it goes down. That’s what’s happening with this administration….
One interesting thing President Clinton said,” while traveling around the country he noticed how quiet most people were”. Said he was glad cause it showed they were thinking… Yep! all of us are thinking how good we had it and how bad it is now……And what we need to do to fix it.
All the trolls keep saying we don’t have a plan, Ha, the hell I don’t I’m working to get this bunch of lieing basterds out of our government and bet there are lot’s of other people just like me. First get them out and then fix our country…Blessings all…Peace.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:36 pmThe MSM is coming around and building steam to make up for time lost ,have you all seen Keith Olberman on CNBC ? A refreshing breath of Honesty and gutsy performance that may be emulated by CNN and ABC . Competition may force them to come out of the woodworks .
September 26th, 2006 at 10:39 pmRemember we should use this blog for real discussion not just pointless ranting.
Comment by piper — September 26, 2006 @ 10:29 pm
I smell a Bush-loving troll.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:44 pmI have to suppress a chuckle as I quote the key clause in the NIE for purpose of the Times’ foray into asymmetric Election ‘06 propaganda warfare:
The Iraq conflict has become the cause celebre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.
In retrospect I am so glad that the Times suppressed the second sentence in this finding and thus assumed poll-position in the race to go down as the Official Laughinstock of the ‘06 Election. Here’s more:
If democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years, political participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives.
So, in essence the NIE judges that the Democrats’ proposal to leave Iraq’s democracy to its own devices would eliminate the major opportunities it sees for diminishing the jihadi movement. Nice.
In short, the NIE vindicates what President Bush has been saying all along –We must prevail in Iraq to defeat the terrorists.
Bush is proven correct again. Thanks for calling for the NIE to be released, TP. It vindicates the president.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:47 pm#46 Zooey
By the way, Bush & Cheney did not “mislead†us — they LIED to us.
I think I have had enough too! It’s time to call them what they are.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:48 pmClinton showed everyone that we have to strike back. We are right; they are not.
#53. Do you really think that terrorists attack the U.S. because they think the U.S. is “weak?” Do you think suicide bombers would stop attacking if they thought there was going to be some kind of retribution by a “strong” U.S.? I don’t see how the image of a “strong” or “weak” U.S. has anything to do with it. If anything, the “stronger” the U.S. appears, the more likely the U.S. will seem a threat to be attacked. The reasoning you use is very strange.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:48 pmDow Closes at Second Highest Level Ever.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:53 pmLow inflation.
Less than 5% of America out of work.
Ooooohhhh how bad it is now……And what we need to do to fix it.
Please, Dad always said if it aint broke dont fix it … IT AINT BROKE AND YOU AINT THE ONES TO FIX IT.
#57. The parts you bolded in your post seem highly speculative, especially after seeing Hamas and Hezbollah being supported democratically by their respective countries. Notice the words “we judge” and “probably would drive” - speculation.
Notice this statement -
“The Iraq conflict has become the cause celebre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.”
- is not presented in the same speculative way.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:55 pmUS troop presence keeps neighbors from invading Iraq: Talabani
Sep 26 7:12 PM US/Eastern
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said that the US military presence in Iraq keeps neighbors from invading his country.
“The American presence has always prevented any kind of foreign invasion to Iraq,” Talabani said.
Need I say more?
September 26th, 2006 at 10:56 pmSharon, You’re right. At this point, we don’t need to detail a plan. A broad picture is sufficient. We are not in charge. The ones who are in charge are the ones who should have supplied a plan long ago - they didn’t - and they still don’t have one. Staying the course, or adapting to win are not plans — they’re slogans.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:58 pmBut then again, that’s what Bush, the former cheerleader, is good at - slogans.
When Dems regain a foothold in the congress, there will be discussions and investigations. There won’t be time to waste — much will have to get done, quickly. But before a train can reverse course, it has to stop.
#62
September 26th, 2006 at 11:00 pmNo.
Bush is proven correct again. Thanks for calling for the NIE to be released, TP. It vindicates the president.
Comment by Exley — September 26, 2006 @ 10:47 pm
The desperation of this Exley person to defend Bush and avoid admitting that he is wrong appears to have induced a state of chronic delusion.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:01 pm#60. You are obviously not a working person trying to ensure your family has health insurance. If you were, you would know that wages are clearly not keeping up with even a low inflation rate when things like health insurance and gas prices are thrown in. And the low unemployment rate is misleading, mainly because so many of the new jobs created since Bush have been low-paying crap service jobs (with the exception of the construction industry).
September 26th, 2006 at 11:01 pmCrawl out from under the rock Juizzee. That’s not how the world works. Would you pick a fight with a strong UNITED adversary or a weak divided one? You moonbat liberals need to support the efforts to show a strong united front to these fanatics. You and your weak minded friends help embolden the enemy.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:02 pm#46
No, Zooey…”Thousands and thousands of people on earth are dead,” killed on 9/11 because a group of radical Islamic fundamentalists were allowed to plot and plan and carry out their plans, unchallenged by the U.S. government for approximately a decase…Thankfully, we now have an administration that is willing to challenge these and confront these Islamist savages on their own turf before they can kill thousands of Americans in NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, L.A., etc.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:02 pm#58, Marie…”Clinton showed everyone that we have to strike back.”
If only Clinton had “struck back” against Al Qaeda after it attacked U.S. interests throughout the 1990s. Alas, he did nothing.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:05 pm#62. If any neighboring country invaded Iraq, they would be immediately annilated by the U.S. and Nato whether the U.S. troops are there or not (except Israel or Pakistan since they have a nuclear deterrent). No country would do that. Plus, how worse could it get with an invading foreign force - maybe some other country would do a better job than the U.S. at keeping the peace there - God knows the U.S. can’t do it.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:06 pmHey “bloggers”. Why not forget about what your unprincipled and self-serving politicians might do to save you and actually consider doing something to save yourselves and the country while you are at it?
Oct. 5th seems like as good a day as any, no?
Hell begins the day that God grants you the vision to see all that you could have done, should have done, and would have done, but did not do. -GOETHE
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September 26th, 2006 at 11:08 pmNeed I say more?
Comment by piper — September 26, 2006 @ 10:56 pm
No, piper, you don’t need to say more. What you need to do is lay off the crack pipe. The 5% unemployment rate is a well-documented fraud. Bush took the country from surpluses to huge deficits (it is surprising the economy isn’t doing better given the massive stimulus of this irresponsible deficit spending). Health care costs are exploding and the quality of care is in a free fall (we now spend more than double what the so-called European welfare states spend, with quantifiably worse outcomes). Much of the world hates America now (no doubt you never leave the comfort of home and haven’t a clue about how badly our image has suffered even among our staunchest allies). The Middle East has been badly destabilized by the war in Iraq, as judged by a nearly unanimous consensus of security experts, including the summary judgement of the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies that contributed to the NIE. I could go on with the destruction wreaked by the Bush administration, but with you I know it is pointless. So take your Karl Rove talking points somewhere else.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:10 pmExley,
September 26th, 2006 at 11:13 pmYou are wrong most of the time; you twist facts to make your mistaken points.
You believe the lying bastard who lives in the White House instead of nearly everyone else who has knowledge of what happened when Clinton was in office.
You and piper can go off somewhere and whisper sweet lies to one another.
You moonbat liberals need to support the efforts to show a strong united front to these fanatics. You and your weak minded friends help embolden the enemy.
Comment by piper — September 26, 2006 @ 11:02 pm
Can we equate “fanatics” and “enemy” with anyone who criticizes your master Bush? You sound like a real jackbooted brown shirt.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:14 pm#67. But I thought they would attack us no matter what because they hate our freedom. Weak, strong, whatever — they hate us because women vote here, remember?
— come on man. It seems that we are perceived as the enemy because we are quite a “strong” nation interfering with (or dominating) a very poor Middle East with a different culture than the U.S.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:16 pmJuizzee, #66
September 26th, 2006 at 11:16 pmTrolls and Republiscum do not understand the average working person. They are generally smug and self-centered.
I won’t go into discussing health insurance here, but let me say that I am entirely sympathetic - I am there too.
Mr. Piper,
A little econimic up-tick is just enough to distract you from all the crap that is hitting the fan.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:16 pmPiper,
You need to ask for some better talking points at tomorrow’s RNC/Karl Rove/Fox News strategy meeting, because the crap you’re pushing here is going nowhere.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:22 pmExley
September 26th, 2006 at 11:27 pmIt’s like beating your head against a wall. These liberals with there rose colored glasses and cool-aid can’t see the forest for the trees. And they want to be in charge of my destiny. Not on my watch.
# 74 Keep in mind the report just came out, and although the trolls gave themselves a few minutes to see what they’re talking points would be, they were tossed back on their heals a bit.
One troll thinks America was weak in 2001, and one troll thinks nothing was done in a decade to to fight terrorism.
This report has driven them over the edge.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:28 pmRemember we should use this blog for real discussion not just pointless ranting.
Comment by piper
Let me guess, piper, pointless ranting is anything you haven’t spewed yourself. Get lost.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:29 pm;)
September 26th, 2006 at 11:29 pmAnd they want to be in charge of my destiny. Not on my watch.
Comment by piper — September 26, 2006 @ 11:27 pm
Huh? Not on “your watch”? Are you Karl Rove?
September 26th, 2006 at 11:29 pm#72, Marie…”Exley,You are wrong most of the time…”
Well, Marie, at least you acknowledge I am right SOME of the time, I’ll take that for now!
G’night, everybody!!!!
September 26th, 2006 at 11:30 pm# 78 “Not on my watch. ”
After 911, Iraq and the Katrina response, let’s hope you clowns have no more watches.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:30 pmYo, Piper and Exley….
Are you really defending the war in Iraq?
Can you guys do math?
Bush and his bloodthirsty administration have caused the deaths of more innocent civilians than Al Qaeda, if fact more than 20 times more!
You know who the real global terrorist is… you voted for him, twice, right?
If you two think we can defeat terrorism through military means, you are stone cold fools.
It won’t be long if people like yourselves continue the agression toward the rest of the world, that we will find the world united against us, and then what… who’s kids will you pathetic ghouls send to die for your stupid mistakes? Mine? Think again…
You and your ilke have been “outed” for the foolish war-lovers you are.
Intelligent people now know that war is the most fu##ed up thing humans are capable of. You are dinosaurs….
I am a vet, and I now want to stand in front of recruiting offices to tell well-meaning kids “DO NOT LET THE REPUBLICANS THIRST FOR BLOOD GET YOU KILLED…. THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT.”
September 26th, 2006 at 11:30 pm#78. Lucky we have you to clear everything up. Your arguments are so convincing! … I am praying that your “watch” is never anything more important than supermarket security.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:37 pmYou can be in charge of your own destiny - in another country (or planet) where you can fulfill your role as storm trooper in an army of social miscreants.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:37 pmSee, you guys are hell bent on recreating the Roman Empire with your leader, a Nero wannabe. Not on my watch.
#15
Comment like #3 is exactly why American’s know that liberals are weak on national security.
You liberal like to say “ya, we liberals are tough on national securityâ€. but your actions say your WEAK on national security.
Liberal are traitors and that is why you keep losing elections.
The funny thing is that you don’t even know it.
And your hero, Bush, by his inaction after being warned about bin Laden planning to crash planes into buildings would be your idea of tough on national security? Completely ignoring the threat of terrorism until after it happens is tough, not like those wimpy liberals who tried to warn Bush about bin Laden.
Hey, Greg. Did you notice that all of your ‘tough guy’ Republicans in the White House are chickenhawks? Yeah, they didn’t want to serve their country when they had the chance. I’m sure the military just wasn’t tough enough for those badasses.
And if losing elections is the sign of a traitor (brilliant, Greg) that would mean Republicans were traitors in the 90s for losing two presidential elections, they were traitors for 20 straight years while Roosevelt and Truman served (both of whom were responsible for the U.S. winning the last world war), and Republicans will be traitors again in November when they get their asses handed to them. Or, more likely, thrown at them.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:40 pm#83. Ya, you better leave now — by the way, your posts tonight have made you look incredibly silly, so thank you for discrediting the right.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:40 pmYo, Piper and Exley….
Are you really defending the war in Iraq?
Comment by Darryl — September 26, 2006 @ 11:30 pm
Yes, and Piper also seems to be defending everything else Bush does.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:41 pmSo America is not worth fighting for . Ok Now who is weak. I’m sorry; you people make me sick. Should we just put flowers in the barrels of the terrorists guns and hope for the best? I can’t take much more of this you people have drug me down into your slime.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:42 pmHow about we take the fight to the wingnuts? I have had it with the “opposition” party. They are obviously worthless. Anyone else prepared for some action?
September 26th, 2006 at 11:42 pmThankfully, we now have an administration that is willing to challenge these and confront these Islamist savages on their own turf before they can kill thousands of Americans in NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, L.A., etc.
Comment by Exley
Pardon my plain english, Exley — F*ck You.
I have run out of patience, and I am no longer in the mood for your moronic ranting. Yes, I called you a name, so you’ll stop reading now. God damnit, there are worse things!
This administration took an outline to try and deal with the al Qeada problem, and used it to line bird cages. This president ignored a PDB saying flat out that bin Laden had a plan to attack. He just never could imagine that something like that could happen, and thousands of peopel died that day, because he let it happen.
Osama bin Laden killed thousands of people, not just Americans. George W. Bush, the true savage, has killed and maimed more people than Osama bin Laden dreamed possible, and he’s torn this country apart so completely that it is no longer recognizable, and we will be lucky to recover from it in our lifetimes.
So there you go, Exley. You’re not afraid right now, but you should be. You think you’re safe in your bed, but you’re not. But the danger does not come from without, it comes from within. Open your eyes, Exley, for once, open them and see what has happened to this country, and don’t you dare blame those of us who have absolutely no power in this government right now.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:43 pmHay Marie and RealScientist, check out #78…..Look’s like the short straw new troll think’s bull shit bush has died and made (it) president, or god……Geees where do the reich wing nut job’s recrute these people, arian nation’s rally maybe.?…..Keep the light’s on so they will scurry back under the sink’s….Blessings
September 26th, 2006 at 11:43 pmhankfully, we now have an administration that is willing to challenge these and confront these Islamist savages on their own turf before they can kill thousands of Americans in NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, L.A., etc.
Comment by Exley
So now its a ‘crusade’ not against terrorism but against Islam itself? Your as batcrap crazy as Bush is. And you will only create more and more and more. Your kind of logic Exley is what has created genocide, murderous religious crusades,bloody inquisitions, deadly wars possible by being as batcrap crazy as 4% of the Muslims that do engage in terror. If you were in Iraq right Now Exley they would call you a mad mullah islamofascist savage.
EXley is like a little brown shirted “Hitler-chrisitian” on a very old and insane crusade.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:44 pmExley will never stop lying, just like MA, it’s pointless to talk to the
September 26th, 2006 at 11:47 pm‘Mad American Mullahs’ and the Flaming Republican ‘Crusaders’ from Freeperville
#91. What the hell are you talking about?
September 26th, 2006 at 11:48 pm#91 So, which is it Piper, was America weak on 911 (which is the only way your previous nonsense makes sense) or was it strong?
Try to be consistent.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:50 pmWay to go Marie…
Since this thread is about Bush’s dishonesty, didn’t we all see the bulge on his back during the debates? All evidence says it was a wireless earphone transmitter… they sell for less than a grand. Who remotely coached the fool?
Remember when Bush was asked about cocaine use and he said: “I’m not gonna play the gotcha game”…. huh? What happened to Yes or No?
Remember when he said when asked if Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and he said “No…”
Now he attempts to connect the two in every speech with a very strange technique… just talk about one, and quickly jump to the other… the average human mind will eventually connect the two….. and voila… Iraq has a connection to 9/11.
Ask yourselves… are you constantly watching to see if this administration is attempting the old “Jedi mind trick”. Be alert… they’re tricky.
Recent example… Bush was talking about how some consider the war in Iraq “stirring the hornets nest”….. then he suddenly says “…the terrorist attacked us on 9/11″. The average American dumbass will eventually come to think the Iraq war is justified on the grounds that is is part of the war againts the terrorist.
We hab better get our public school system funded and fixed, or this criminal president will not be the last….
Oh, and the Republican-owned electronic voting machines have got to go. We know what they are up to…
September 26th, 2006 at 11:52 pmYeah, it’s really bad here - so you probably want to find a better place.
I have paraphrased Groucho Marx for you — any place that would accept you isn’t anywhere you want to be. ‘Bye
September 26th, 2006 at 11:55 pmSo America is not worth fighting for . Ok Now who is weak. I’m sorry; you people make me sick. Should we just put flowers in the barrels of the terrorists guns and hope for the best? I can’t take much more of this you people have drug me down into your slime.
Comment by piper — September 26, 2006 @ 11:42 pm
Piper, who the hell here ever said America isn’t worth fighting for? Who said anything even remotely like that? Right: no one. So shut up, liar.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:55 pmI don’t think bush has cut off any ones head like the crazy Muslims have. It’s funny how you people are so quick to compare Bush to the Regime of Hitler. Pay attention, the people we are fighting are the new oppressors and murders not bush.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:56 pm#85…Darryl, “Yo, Piper and Exley…Are you really defending the war in Iraq?”
Well, Darryl, I can’t speak for Piper. But as for me, to answer your question: ABSOLUTELY!
September 26th, 2006 at 11:57 pmBravo!, Zooey………I send Blessings and more good weather tomorrow…..What a Lady….We need you in the white house, not kidding…Peace…….Wish TP would fix this slow posting thing, make’s me crazy.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:57 pm#95. Quite interesting. My neighbor’s (Jewish) family fled Spain way back then and settled in Muslim Turkey (or I guess Ottoman Empire back then).
September 26th, 2006 at 11:58 pmI don’t think bush has cut off any ones head like the crazy Muslims have. It’s funny how you people are so quick to compare Bush to the Regime of Hitler. Pay attention, the people we are fighting are the new oppressors and murders not bush.
Comment by piper — September 26, 2006 @ 11:56 pm
Yeah, Bush just has people tortured. So it is slightly less bad than cutting off their heads. So it is okay. Keep lowering the bar for your guy, piper. Just keep repeating to yourself “Bush isn’t quite as bad as Saddam. Bush isn’t quite as bad as Saddam. Bush is good! Bush is good!”
Pathetic and scary.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:00 am#103. I thought you were done for today…. NOW GO TO BED! If you are defending the Iraq war, you must be at least a little sleepy.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:01 am#95 - AION, You must be under the mistaken that the Crusades occurred (select one):
September 27th, 2006 at 12:01 amA.) Last week
B.) During the last decade
C.) During the Last Century
Otherwise, how DO you explain the stupidity revealed in your attack on Exley?? You might be surprised to know Christianity has evolved since that time. Catching up to the modern world is an impossibility to radical Islamists who are irretrievably stuck in the Dark Ages…..But our enemies appreciate your support….
#97 I was answering #85 keep up.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:02 amThe US was weak leading up to 911 because of Clintons lack of action in the face of terror. Send a couple of cruise missiles and call it a day while cutting the defense budget.
8 months in not enough time to correct 8 years of neglect. Oh and what political persuasion was the woman that implemented the division between the FBI and the CIA?
I see a D beside her name. Or is that an L
#102 Well, as long as bush isn’t as bad as Hitler…
September 27th, 2006 at 12:03 amhttp://rawstory.com/ showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2FIraq%2FStory%2F0%2C%2C1881071%2C00.html
Army chief tells Bush: there’s not enough money for Iraq war
Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington and Richard Norton-Taylor
Tuesday September 26, 2006
George Bush suffered a serious rebuke of his wartime leadership yesterday when his army chief said he did not have enough money to fight the war in Iraq.
Six weeks before midterm elections in which the war is a crucial issue, the protest from the army head, General Peter Schoomaker, exposes concerns within the US military about the strain of the war on Iraq, and growing tensions between uniformed personnel and the Pentagon chief, Donald Rumsfeld.
Yeh that makes me feel much more secure, how about y’all??
Yup between the NIE, and the rest of the lies, Star wars Crap that cost billions and doesn’t work,the failure in Afghanistan, Opium production increases, ignoring the PDB, the 20 tunnels found under the southern border since 9/11, losing 8 billion in Iraq, the war profiteering,Chalabi, PNAC and the Weakly Standard liars Neo-cons…the Republicans apprarently spend more time being lobbied in fancy hotels executive jets and payoffs. They are as WEAK on Nat’l security as Bush is
GOPigs are Weak on National Security
September 27th, 2006 at 12:03 amHi Sharon,
I’ve had a tough day, and these threads are making me sick, and these idiots are making it worse. I’m all out of patience. Still got that flag flying upside down? We need it more than ever.
Thanks for the nice words, and lovely weather.
Goodnight.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:04 amFACT: You are very likely to die from heart disease, cancer or stroke.
FACT: Americans are more likely to die from a lightning bolt than a terrorist. FACT: Americans are more likely to die from a fall in the tub than a terrorist.
WHY THEN, is the news media not talking about these “important deadly issues”…. ???
BECAUSE, There are Exleys and Pipers out there to manipulate into falling into the fool’s trap…. ignorance of the facts.
The Repugnant party depends on the fear and ignorance.
NOW, will Exley or Piper challenge my facts… no… they can’t.
They wish to live in fear, and want us to join them…. sorry boys…
The numbers say… the “terrorists” are really sucky as killers, but really great at playing mind games on the weak minded.
BUT… they need the American media and the Republicans to sell the fear for them…
GREAT JOB REPUBLICANS…. THANKS FOR HELPING THE TERRORISTS SCARE AMERICAN FOOLS!!!!
Watch out for the lightning…
September 27th, 2006 at 12:06 am“Yo, Piper and Exley…Are you really defending the war in Iraq?â€
Well, Darryl, I can’t speak for Piper. But as for me, to answer your question: ABSOLUTELY!
Comment by Exley
Exley,
If you are under the age of 42, get your ass down to the recruiter’s office.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:07 am#110 - unamerican what does your post mean?
September 27th, 2006 at 12:08 amYes and the odds of winning the lottery are way up there too but people win every day. I don’t want to win the terrorist lottery in my home town.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:11 am#93, Zooey….Calm yourself….
While you write that Clinton “just never could imagine that something like that could happen, and thousands of peopel [sic] died that day, because he let it happen,” I think it is grossly unfair of you to blame Bill Clinton for the horror of 9/11.
Yes, you and I both agree that Clinton could have and should have done more against Al Qaeda after its attacks against U.S. interests in the 1990s and that his timidity and lack of will emboldened Osama Bin Laden to the point that Bin Laden believed he could carry out the 9/11 attacks and kill thousand of Americans with impunity.
But I do NOT agree with you that Clinton bears responsibility for 9/11. The responsibility for 9/11 lay squarely with the Islamist (NOTE: Aion, you may want to look up the definition of “Islamist,” okay, skippy?) terrorists of Al Qaeda who carried out the attack.
But I am immensely grateful (as should (and I suspect, are) you) that unlike the Clinton admininstration, we now have a president who realizes that we need to go after Al Qaeda with all the military, intelligence, law enforcement, and financial capabilities at our disposal
We all know that if 9/11 had happened on Clinton’s or (God forbid) Gore’s watch, the U.S response would have been little more than a one-time firing of some cruise missiles into Afghanistan, followed by….well…nothing.
We all agree that such a Clintonian response to 9/11 would have been insufficient and ineffective and encouraged Bin Laden to strike the U.S again….And that, Zooey, is why you, me, and the American people are so fortunate that today the great George W. Bush is President of the United States.
I am glad I can allay your concerns, Zooey. Good night.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:11 amWow I see the Bush lover trolls yesterday went nuts on the TP threads > lol. Desperation is making them crazy, because the Bush Regime is starting to come apart at the seams, and all their putrid lying crap is spilling out all over the floor for all to see! Keep up the pressure on Bush untill his head explodes!
September 27th, 2006 at 12:11 am#97 I was answering #85 keep up.
The US was weak leading up to 911 because of Clintons lack of action in the face of terror. Send a couple of cruise missiles and call it a day while cutting the defense budget.
8 months in not enough time to correct 8 years of neglect. Oh and what political persuasion was the woman that implemented the division between the FBI and the CIA?
I see a D beside her name. Or is that an L
Comment by piper — September 27, 2006 @ 12:02 am
Every statement here is a misrepresentation or outright lie. But that is your MO, piper. You are a GOP foot soldier, lying for the team, lying for the victory.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:12 am#114, Well, Zooey, I know you are under the age of 42 and you claim to support the U.S. military action in Afghanistan following 9/11…So, I assume you have signed up for military duty…Correct?
September 27th, 2006 at 12:13 amNOW, will Exley or Piper challenge my facts… no… they can’t.
They wish to live in fear, and want us to join them
Comment by Darryl — September 27, 2006 @ 12:06 am
Well, I think at heart these guys are a couple of bedwetters.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:13 amAION #111
Thanks for bringing up the “Star Wars” defense “system”, which is designed of course to bring great profit to war profiteers at the expense of the taxpayers. Oh…. and won’t do poop to stop a terrorist attack. But who cares… we are talking about big money for Republican weasels to steal (legally) from our country.
How about stopping people from walking right across our borders….
September 27th, 2006 at 12:14 amHow about inspecting cargo containers with the National Guard… Oh, that’s right, Bush sent them to Iraq, a country that has done nothing to us.
Exley, we all know you love Big Brother.
So, you see, I know how the Fascist sycophants think, and the beliefs they hold dear. But the greater question I pose, and it may have been said by others: Was bin Laden that great a fool, to attack America when the PNAC had control of the government? Or was bin Laden perhaps the greatest traitor ever to the Muslim people, in that his attacks may have been calculated to bring about the very response that did occur? If so, was he acting in concert with the PNAC to provide the very “Pearl Harbor” they were so hoping for? If not, what was his motive in seeing Iraq destroyed?
September 27th, 2006 at 12:19 am“The Iraq conflict has become the ’cause celebre’ for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.” - NIE report
********Dear Progs, WHAT was the specific cause jihadists point to as the root of their “deep resentment”….BEFORE IRAQ??? Before the US Embassy bombings in Africa?? Before the attack on the USS Cole??? Before the first WTC bombing??? Before the nightclub bombing in Bali??? Before blowing up a nightclub in Germany?? Before Somalia??? Before attacks in Saudi Arabia?? Before Lockerbie and a slew of other hijackings and murders in the 1970’s, 1980’s, 1990’s, since the turn of the century?? Before Munich??
I am thankful enough people recognize the “reaction” mode of the prog movement in relation to terror as opposed to pro-active approach. In case you missed it, the radicals in the “religion of Peace” declared war on the West….
But you kind-hearted and tolerant Progs are certainly free to keep aiding and abetting our enemy - they appreciate your help!!! America has always withstood the traitors in our midst…..
September 27th, 2006 at 12:20 amDO you explain the stupidity revealed in your attack on Exley?? You might be surprised to know Christianity has evolved since that time
Yeh Right, Exley has created in his mind an ethnic crusae against the Islamic Savages , thats stupid Osama was quite intellligent and was a Saudi pretty high up on the Social ladder in fact, Exley sounds like one of them Gary North, Rushdoonie, Tim Mcevigh Wackos.
You guys seem to think History began the King James version of the Bible. And to tell the truth you really haven’t changed that much such as with Bush and torture…
Yeh you’ve learned from history…NOT.
My attack was dead on and you know it. BTW I am a Christian if it helps alleviate some of your angst.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:20 amBack at ya Zooey, flag’s still flying, nothing new there but getting lot’s of thumb’s up and cheers from people when I take the old truck out…People all over are thanking me for being bold and putting the stickers all over my tail gate…Many ask where to get them and people just walk up and pat me on the back and say good job….The latest one is doing a lot…”Just doing my part to piss off the relegious right”…….Still the…”labotamies for republican’s / it’s the law’…..get’s high mark’s…..Blessings all…out for the night…Have to take the truck to town again tomorrow…Wahooooo.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:21 am#115 Don’t pretend you don’t know what it means.
If you don’t, just think about it while you parrot the bush propanda.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:22 am#113, Darryl writes the “terrorists†are really sucky as killers…”
Tell that to the families of the nearly 3,000 people killed on 9/11 and the nearly 3,000 U.S. military personnel killed by terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, wait a minute…That’s right. Darryl is a liberal. American lives mean nothing to him.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:23 amZooey, Zooey, Zooey….
Don’t you know that just because someone is for the war doesn’t mean they want to actually “fight” that war…. that’s for some poor kid to do.
The Exleys and Pipers are just like their puppet-masters - chickenhawks!
They want all the brown people dead, they just don’t really want to get dirty doin’ the killin’.
I think the Republican-owned media has really diserved the public. What they need to do is keep showing the pictures of bloody Iraqi mothers holding what’s left of their kids… and force the war-lovers to see what they have done. but it won’t happen here… the rest of the world sees it though.
(Not so) Funny that the country that caused the horror has the least interest in actually seeing th results…. cause it ain’t pretty, and would cause guilt… we can’t have that.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:23 amAs long as Bush doesn’t behead anyone, he’s A-OK. Is that it? Torture in secret prisons is fine, right? There’s a lot of good information to be derived from twisting someone into an unnatural position, or making him believe you are drowning him.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:25 amI guess it’s all a matter of degree. Or how low you will stoop. Or how little morality you possess, or humanity for that matter.
Militants like Bush and his followers just can’t get it through their thick heads that better intelligence is obtained in more humane ways.
Some of the best intel has come from prisoners treated very well in captivity where they became more relaxed and talkative. A tortured prisoner will say anything to stop the torture.
I don’t want people like Bush representing my country - he is no better than the enemy. In fact, he may be worse because he is dishonest about what he does and why. People who believe he is correct are equally pathological.
#119 cutting the defense budget is not a lie its proven fact. But I know you will blame the right wing media for misrepresenting the Clintons military build up as cuts. Step away from the punch bowl.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:26 amDarryl, what if the “Star Wars” defense system isn’t about stopping missles at all? Do you recall the earlier articles about the Microwave weapon the general suggested be tried out on American civilian populations?
It doesn’t take too great an imagination to understand the implication of such a weapon based in space. And what would be the difference between causing people intense pain and cooking them to a crisp? Only the power setting. Only the power setting.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:26 amI am glad I can allay your concerns, Zooey. Good night.
Comment by Exley
You are patronizing, and it’s quite unattractive.
Well, Zooey, I know you are under the age of 42 and you claim to support the U.S. military action in Afghanistan following 9/11…So, I assume you have signed up for military duty…Correct?
Comment by Exley
You know that, do you? You’re very confident in that knowledge, aren’t you? The things you are wrong about, in addition to this, are legion, Exley.
I am 46 years old.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:27 am#109, Piper….Well said. And factually unassailable…Well done. The liberals are reeling, Piper. First Clinton came unglued on national TV, much to the laughter of the country, and now the meltdown has spilled over to here. Amusing to see. I haven’t enjoyed myself this much since Election Night 2004, when George W. Bush was re-elected president with the largest number of popular votes in U.S. history.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:29 amComment by Exley — September 27, 2006 @ 12:23 am
Bush a Republican has killed more than Saddam
But certainly still less than the 250,000 Kurds that were gassed
when Rummy was shaking Saddams hand when they smiled at each other over the profits the Aqaba pipeline would be bringing them..
People dying, pfffftt they said! Lets have a little photo-op instead, Besides Mrs Bush says we shouldn.t worry our beautiful minds over body bags, it’ just not worth it!
September 27th, 2006 at 12:30 amReally Zooey? You’re 46? Okay…My mistake. I thought I remember you saying you were 40. Well, unlike so many here, I am willing to admit when I make a mistake. Despite the belief of many posters here, I am not perfect.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:31 amAnd what would be the difference between causing people intense pain and cooking them to a crisp? Only the power setting. Only the power setting.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Oy, I’m outta here. I’ve stayed too long as it is…
September 27th, 2006 at 12:31 am#119 cutting the defense budget is not a lie its proven fact. But I know you will blame the right wing media for misrepresenting the Clintons military build up as cuts. Step away from the punch bowl.
Comment by piper — September 27, 2006 @ 12:26 am
Well, idiot, a Republican majority in Congress approved much of the cutting, and Dick Cheney was a big advocate of these cuts.
You didn’t mention any of your other lies, so I take that to mean you are stipulating to having lied.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:33 amHow magnanimous of Exley to say that Clinton isn’t totally to blame for 9/11, but shares the blame with the terrorists.
What about the moron-in-chief who told the CIA agent who made a special trip to emphasize the urgency of the intel - “OK, you’ve covered your ass; you can leave now.” What about the Nero of the White House who couldn’t be bothered to leave his v