Musgrave: Gay Marriage ‘Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’
Musgrave: Gay Marriage ‘Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’
Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO), the lead sponsor of the constitutional ban on gay marriage in the House, spoke this weekend at the Family Research Council’s “Values Voter Summit.” (Other virulently anti-gay speakers were featured at the event.)
Musgrave declared that gay marriage “is the most important issue that we face today.” She told the audience that “when you’re in a cultural war like this, you have to respond with equal and hopefully greater force if you want to win,” and warned that the “future is grim” if gay marriage is not banned. Watch it:
Nine of the 11 annual laws that fund government agencies have not yet been passed by the current Congress. A long list of critical national security legislation remains unresolved. And yet, thanks to hard-right members of Congress like Musgrave, Congress wasted time this session debating fringe issues like gay marriage, flag burning, and repealing the estate tax.
Full transcript:
As Maggie and I were talking before we came on, I wasn’t attacked on marriage, because the people in Colorado believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman. In fact, it’s on the ballot this year for a constitutional change.
[snip]
But, you know, when I was in the last weeks of my last campaign, you know what I was thinking? Where’s our side? What are they doing? And I believe that when you’re in a cultural war like this, you have to respond with equal and hopefully greater force if you want to win this battle. But this battle is the most important issue that we face today, and what an honor it has been to serve in the United States Congress and carry the Marriage Amendment.
Last time, we were 54 votes short in this legislative session. That’s 9 votes more than we had last year. But there is much work to be done. So I hope that you will realize how high the stakes are. The future is grim unless we do what we need to do to win this battle. We need to elect people to positions of authority in the states and in the United States Congress, and we need to fight the good fight for our children and our grandchildren. Thank you very much.
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what a dumbass!
September 27th, 2006 at 4:59 pmShe speaks rot.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:04 pmHey stupid lady….their are soldiers DYING as we speak!…..you sorry self-centered dummy.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:04 pmGod, guns and gays! Must be election season.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
The most important issue? It’s not evenan important issue!
I challenge anyone to describe any way that allowing gays complete access to the institution of marriage can hurt society as a whole, any group of individuals, or any single individuals. I challenge anyone to give even one secular reason to deny gays access to the institution of marriage, which is managed by secular government.
There are two options: make “marriage” a religious practice which can then be left to individual religious conscience and have government only register civil unions for any couple wishing it for legal reasons or grant gays the same rights to marriage as heterosexuals.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmhey lady, soldiers dying as we speak….you self-centered blind dummy.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:08 pm“gay marriage is the most important issue that we face today.â€
BWHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
Oh shit, she just broke the stupidity meter.
Don’t get out much do you douchebag?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#5 - To them the damage would be in the eyes of God. They still think that God will destroy America with brimstone and fire like he destroyed Soddom and Gomorra (sp?)
lol
These people really need to grow brains and stop believing in fairy tales about an angry bearded guy up in the clouds who hates gay people.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:12 pmQUESTION NO XTIAN TALIBAN CAN ANSWER
1. How does it personally affect you if someone else is gay?
2. If you’re ok with Billions of tax dollars going to Christian based groups then your ok with BILLIONS in tax dollars going to other faith based groups like Islam right?
3. Your ok with being used in fake wedge issues by Karl Rove like Gay marriage right?
Rape-Public-Cans = Fake Americans
September 27th, 2006 at 5:13 pmWHO SAID THE FOLLOWING?
Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past … (few) years.
[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
RAPE-PUBLIC-CANS = Fake Americans
September 27th, 2006 at 5:14 pmwhat a disgusting human being
September 27th, 2006 at 5:14 pmChris Matthews just SLAMMED John Boehner (who took Tom DeLays place) on all the IMPORTANT issues. You saw sweat developing under Boehners lip as he tried to defend the war on terror, and all the failed policies of the administration like the 2 year push for Social Security reform which was just dropped all of a sudden this year, and the fact that all Republcians EXCEPT for Bush want to punish illegal immigrants, and those who hire them.
It was a terrific interview. Boehner was officially crushed. Hopefully someone will post it online.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:15 pmPerhaps it is really important to her. Go ahead, Marilyn, come on out of the closet.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:17 pmWell, this is something that Musgrave and bin Laden are in complete agreement on. So why is Musgrave supporting the terrorists.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:19 pm#10… Your Conscience:
I think the right-wing would answer your first question by saying that legalizing gay marriage will help bring the apocalypse. It would do that because gay marriage is against God’s law.
They would answer question #2 by saying “Yes, we’d be okay with them funding Islam religions” but then in secret they would do all they could to NOT allow it. Because a lot of those Christians are so set in their beleifs that their religion is the right one, they will do all they can to force everyone to follow it. They would even break their own commandments to make that happen.
They would answer question #3 by saying the issue is neither fake, nor a wedge issue. To them, it’s of the utmost importance because it would bring the apocalypse.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:20 pmWhat an embarassment. No wonder the rest of the country sees Colorado as a backwards-ass red state.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:20 pmThis is certainly onr thing that her Taliban brothers are fighting for, too. The blindly doctinaire resemblances are striking, aren’t they?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:21 pmCloset lesbian, tough being an evangelical with a taste for clam.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:22 pmThose damn liberal Universities
It’s a You Tube video on Diebold voting machines, very informative.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:22 pm“But this battle is the most important issue that we face today”,/i>
Okay, this alone should disqualify her from federal office. So she’s saying that runaway Congressional spending, unchecked executive power abuse, and soldiers dying in an illegal war are less important than whether two gay people she will never meet in her life get married???
Colorado, do you pay attention to whom you send to Congress?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:23 pmAt the end of the Matthews piece he actually said “It will be the democrats that find the truth and answers about Iraq and terrorism”. Why has Matthews developed a spine? When the media sees their future shift to the opposition party and they jump ship, the future looks good for the Democrats.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:26 pmAngie Paccione is running against Marilyn Musgrave, one of the most vulnerable members of Congress, in CO-04. She’s going to be liveblogging at 5:30 EST at Firedoglake.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:28 pm… the more ReichWingNuts yammer on about gays the more I’m convinced they’re all Log Cabin Republicans…
Their new battle cry: Bush/Gannon ‘08!!!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:30 pmher (marilyn musrot’s) present and future are sorrowfully grim, gay marriage or not.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmI think I will mail her my extra dildo (with instructions)so she can find more interesting things to do with her free time …enough of this tired subject already. Who gives a damn? As for me: the most important thing we need to do is to stop these darn christian divorces….must outlaw it througha Constitutional
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmAmendment….all these children with single parents are bad for the country and will probably grow up to be terrorists.
I’m confused. The reason heterosexuals divorce 50-60% of the time has something to do with gay people? And this will only get worse if gay people get married?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmPeople who live in glass houses…
Shouldn’t be allowed to speak in public.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmMaybe if Marilyn “got some” once in a while (straight or kinky, I don’t care) the subject of homosexuality wouldn’t be so heavily on her mind.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:32 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong.
Comment by G-Dawg — September 27, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
You first.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:33 pmIf you’re against gay marriage, isn’t the easiest solution to not marry a gay person?
Trust me … if there is a God, he’ll destroy this country not because we’re “immoral” or not following “his will.”
He’ll do it because we have so many people who are entirely too stupid to be allowed to live (and, yes, I’m looking in Mussgrave’s direction).
September 27th, 2006 at 5:33 pmListen guys, read your bible. In the New Testament, Jesus holds a press conference and says “Gay marriage is gross,” he then goes on to say “deadly wars based on false intelligence? You figure I’d be against them, but I’m actually for them.” When quizzed about abortion he responded “That’s not a form of torture is it? Because if its torture, I’m for it… if it’s not, then, I’m guessing I’m against it.”
Then as a final note he interjected, “oh, and also, that stuff I said earlier, feeding and caring for the needy and the poor… yeah, I changed my mind. That’s dumb, let’s not do that.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPRLq0p3n0
September 27th, 2006 at 5:35 pmOT - sorry
K. Olbermann received a powder substance at his HOME yesterday. It turned out to be soap powder, but the NY Post mocked the seriousness of the story.
Think they would mock this if it happened to B.O.?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:37 pmit seems to me that if you want to “save” marriage, pass a law against adultery -
it wouldn’t have hurt nearly as much if my husband had said “our neighbors are gay and getting married” as when he said “i’m dating someone else and moving out”. i think our marriage would have survived our gay neighbors, but it didn’t survive his interest in “dating”.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:37 pmAs a conservative I would have to say that she is wrong. The most important issue is not gay marriage. I am a supporter of gay marriage. But even if I wasn’t, the Constitution should not limit the individual but the government itself.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:38 pmThese rightwing bigots are the only ones calling it a culture “war.” In effect, they have declared war on their own country and their own people.
What a bunch of Redcoats Cowards, they are more afraid of freedom that Bin Laden is.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:38 pm“you have to respond with equal and hopefully greater force if you want to win”
What’s she going to do? marry all the gay people before they get a chance to marry amongst themselves?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:39 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong. Comment by G-Dawg
Why? “Should” shut because you say so? Does that mean you “should” shut up if I say so? “Where they belong” is in the closet? Why? Again, because you say so? Does that mean you “belong” in your local “dawg” shelter, in a cage, because I say so?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:40 pmThere is something grossly out of whack with people like Musgrave. They are somehow so threatened by something that is immaterial to them that they don’t think straight.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:40 pmWhat a waste of time, money and legislation.
Comment by kmiller — September 27, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
you are so right… adultery is much more of a threat to marriage than gay unions.
what are these barbarians going to do next, try and pass a constitutional amendment against adultery “because it threatens marriage?”
I think not!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:41 pmIf you’re against gay marriage, isn’t the easiest solution to not marry a gay person?
there’s the difference between democrats and republicans…
republicans tell you what to think.
democrats give you the choice.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:42 pmkmiller
September 27th, 2006 at 5:43 pmFirst, I am sorry for your experience. Second, you are dead-on correct. Third, imagine the agony of a married man who can no longer tolerate living the lie by being gay and trying to pass as straight, coming out, and divorcing. Our society has made that scenario all to common.
READ YOUR BIBLE MARILYN MUSGRAVE
“Ye though I say unto you, they shall raise up the least among them to the highest post and he shall appear as a monkee. The sheep shall follow and the lies shall flow like water from the sea. They shall believe his deceptions and follow him unto war with the wrong nation. And Cheney will shoot a guy in the face too.”
Lobotomy 9:11
September 27th, 2006 at 5:44 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong.
Comment by G-Dawg
Sounds to me you had a drunken uncle who used to hide in your closet when you were a kid. I hope you can solve your issues.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:44 pmYet another shining example of this strange form of Christianism.
Kick some spare change to her opponent:
September 27th, 2006 at 5:45 pmhttp://www.angie2006.com/
Yep. In ‘Merca the most ‘portant issue is whether the fags get to marry…
September 27th, 2006 at 5:45 pmWhat do you want to bet this idiot is really just another closeted self-loathing homosexual? I swear, the GOP is rampant with them! Ever heard the expression, “Methinks the lady doth protest too much?”
September 27th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWow. I would have said peace and continued prosperity are important issues to work towards. Guess I was wrong….
September 27th, 2006 at 5:47 pmMusgrave: Gay Marriage ‘Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’
That’s a Republican talking point from 2004. I heard people saying that exact phrase after hearing from their pastors all about the horrors of gay marriage and how it was a threat to heterosexual marriage. And guess where the pastors got it. Straight from James Dobson and Karl Rove.
It’s interesting that people like Musgrave think they’re going to get some mileage out of it again. As if voters don’t see all the other things that far outweigh that issue in importance. It’s not even on their radar screen.
Musgrave has a soul sister in the Minnesota 6th congressional district, Michele Bachmann. The interesting thing about her, aside from her being a bible-thumping, tax-protesting homophobe, is that her stepsister is gay and has publicly denounced her for her anti-gay rants.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmWhat’s wrong with these people?
isn’t the Iraq war about “protecting freedom?”
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmI think Liz Taylor, Brittany Spears and Dennis Rodman threaten the institution of marraige. Liz has married many, many times, Brittany married her high school sweetheart on a lark and had it annulled in hours. Dennis, well Dennis is Dennis.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmJesus and God hate gay people and want you to kill them…it’s on page….page….well….I can’t find it but I just ‘know’ it’s true.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmLady, don’t worry about your husband ‘turning gay’, or YOU…just open your eyes and make friends with reality….
To all of you bashing Colorado as a backwards, redneck state: Marilyn Musgrave doesn’t speak for Colorado…she speaks for about 20 percent of 1/7th of the population of the state, that 1/7th being in a district that pretty much includes the entire northeast section of Colorado, meaning it is much more similar to Kansas and Nebraska than it is to Colorado. Get your facts straight, and if you are planning a ski vacation, go somewhere else…we don’t want you here.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pm#34, kmiller:
There ARE a few Christians I’ve talked to who are for banning divorce.
What troubles me with that plan is that it seems they want to keep banning things they don’t like until things are “all better.” Gay marriage, right to choose, etc. Unfortunately, when you have more than one person on the planet, you’re going to have more than one set of views on things.
So you’ll never be able to outlaw everything you want because there will always be enough people to vote against that.
It’s just so stupid that they want to keep banning, and banning things in order to have the country they desire.
Even less fortunate, a lot of Democrats and Liberals share the blame. They want to outlaw “In God We Trust” from schools. Oh but wait - that law was already set in the constitution to keep separation from Church and State. Also, “In God We Trust” was NOT on money, and was NOT on our government buildings, and was NOT in the Pledge Of Allegiance when are forefathers build the country as we know it.
All of the “In God We Trust” placements happened pretty friggin’ recently!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:50 pm“Methinks the Lady doth protest too much.” No doubt she’s a closeted self-loathing homosexual. The GOP is rampant with them.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:50 pmIs it the gays coming over the border to get married or the gay terrorists that trouble this woman?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:51 pmHey guys, lighten up.
Sounds to me like G-Dawg was being ironic.
Musgrave et al. think that people will stop being gay–they will choose to be straight–if we just outlaw gay marriage.
G-Dawg’s comment highlights the fact that we’ll still have gays, they’ll just be in the closet, with all the problems that brings (sham marriages, etc.)
September 27th, 2006 at 5:54 pmIs this woman for real? Give us a break. As an out Gay man in a closed relationship, I don’t believe these radically biased bigots can be allowed in Congress. Yet - they are.
The MOST important fight for this victim of the fashion system, and hair for that matter… and make up (for sure she knows not ONE Gay man, maybe she should!) …. should be a trip to the nearest Neiman Marcus. Or in her case - ROSS.
This is pure tragedy, this radical assembly of Christian warriors. As a Catholic… like my Dad jokes - we win over the right wing losers - our church has men in dresses, gold cups, and pretty glass. I’ll take that over the biting heads off snakes, would YOU want to get married there?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:55 pmAnd then she wonders why there is so much violence in Colorado school systems…
What else do you expect when you preach hate and intolerance but hate and intolerance?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:57 pm“I believe that when you’re in a cultural war like this, you have to respond with equal, and hopefully greater, force if you want to win this battle.”
Marilyn “Pickles” Musgrave–(Waste of Human Skin) Colorado, 4th District
Given the Republicans’ laughable war record so far, what makes her think that they can win a culture war?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:57 pm45 minutes since I posted a challenge in #5 and no takers, not even from G-Dawg. I also note that TP’s old homosexual-hater Moonbat Patrol has not shown up on the homosexual-themed threads in quite a while. I wonder the old codger has gone to.
Well, I guess it’s time to move on - I might check back in an hour or two. If not, well-done my progressive comrades until we defend again!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:58 pmLet’s get the facts straight here, people. Jesus would never hate or want to destroy fags and lezbos. It is not his style. “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is what I believe to be Jesus’ stance toward homos. We must all pray for the souls of these tormented people. The lifestyles they choose to embrace are vile, disgusting, unnatural, and un-godly. I hope they repent and avoid the hellfires they are sure to face if they continue their hedonistic and satanic lifestyle.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:01 pm…fight the good fight for our children and grandchildren…
there won’t be any children if we’re bombed by our nuclear equipped enemies..but hey, that’s a backburner issue…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:01 pmOsama Bin Laden and the war on terror are the number one priority!!, Just ask George, and Dick and Standard Weakly.
Is she, this Republican, now saying that the Republicans have flip flopped and are now NOT worried National Security in a time of war?
An that she is more worried only about domestic politics and decades old wedge issues instead of thousands of American deaths in Iraq???
OMG, My Conservative party has gone completely bizarro Orwellian insane.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:04 pmAs a conservative I would have to say that she is wrong. The most important issue is not gay marriage. I am a supporter of gay marriage. But even if I wasn’t, the Constitution should not limit the individual but the government itself.
Comment by Kevin
As a Liberal Libertarian Humanist, I agree with this statement. The US Constitution should never be amended to take away individual freedoms.
To my fellow “lefties” out there, I highly recommend that you read John W. Dean’s two recent books Worse Than Watergate and Conservatives Without Conscience. You will learn not only what conservatism is really supposed to be about (and it’s not a philosophy we can entirely disagree with, at least if you’re on the Libertarian side, like me), but how the current crop of Republicans (especially in the Executive - or as Bush calls it, the Administrative - Branch) are not conservatives at all. They are some other ugly beast, but they are not conservatives. I have learned that it’s not entirely fair to bash all conservatives for what the ones in Washington are doing these days.
Having said that, I do believe it’s fair to bash conservatives and Republicans who support the President and his horrific power-grabbing agenda, because the President is not a conservative.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:05 pmAnd, by the way, gay marriage IS one of the most important issues we face today. Gay adoption should be also, although for some reason this crazy practice has been embraced and legalized in many locals. As if our children don’t face enough problems in contempory America, kids like those in Rosie O’Donnel’s brood have to deal with living in a parental environment where two bull dikes and/or butt-pirates are trying to explain the facts about human sexuality. Are you kidding me? I forsee many, many trips to the counselor and head-shrink for these kids. It is very sad.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:06 pmAs a Christian myself, I feel the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE WE FACE TODAY is to honor Christ’s teaching of tolerance to thy neighbor! Trust me, I’m more concerned about malnourished children living in poverty than if Neal and Bob (Ford Fairlane joke there) down the road want to “unionize” their love for each other.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:07 pmIt was a terrific interview. Boehner was officially crushed. Hopefully someone will post it online.
Comment by NewNameAcquired — September 27, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
You mean the same Boehner that tweety could “just see the greatness in this man”?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:09 pmShe sounds like a marionette. I wonder who’s pulling the strings…
I completely understand why these people are so against gays. These people have existed for centuries. They are the people who wanted blacks kept in chains, they are the people who wanted to keep women pregnant and ignorant, they are the people who want to nuke any enemies that come our way.
Domestically, us poor queers are the only ones they have left to fight, so they are giving it their all.
No matter how far we may progress these people will always exist, these destroyers of progress and humanity. I hope they find their maker someday, they have a lot to answer for.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:09 pmMethinks the lady doth protest too much.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:10 pmi’m on the side of my prog buddies on this one. anti-gay conservatives are embarassing. something in the declaration about all men are created equal. i’m curious (not about myself) but would this work as a compromise: make it legal for gays to marry, identical rights under the law, but call it gay union (not marriage) to appease conservatives.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:12 pmRepugnants are so incredibly predictable. We knew they’d try to parade inane issues like gay marriage & abortion before the people when it got down to the wire. The fact is that people don’t give a hoot about any of it when this war in Iraq is front and center - the deaths and maiming of so many of our young people - the astronomical cost of the war itself (11 million an hour?) - and the economic loss to this country for things like important infrastructure, health care, etc……get a life, Repugs! You’re so “pro life” that you can’t see the forest for the trees….How does your “pro life” philosophy handle the murder of innocent Iraqis? How does your “pro life” agenda justify sending our kids off to a war of choice? Perhaps you’re really “pro choice” since you condone a war of choice then?
What hypocrisy! Thank goodness most americans can see the vapid, mindlessness of these maniacal christofascists…..like Stepford Christians…..marching in lockstep with the Reichwing….Do they have no conscience or shame at all? Surely, they are wise enough to see the hypocrisy of their beliefs?? Reichwing Pro/Choice/Life Christofascists….RPCLC…..
September 27th, 2006 at 6:18 pmAnd, by the way, gay marriage IS one of the most important issues we face today. Gay adoption should be also, although for some reason this crazy practice has been embraced and legalized in many locals. As if our children don’t face enough problems in contempory America, kids like those in Rosie O’Donnel’s brood have to deal with living in a parental environment where two bull dikes and/or butt-pirates are trying to explain the facts about human sexuality. Are you kidding me? I forsee many, many trips to the counselor and head-shrink for these kids. It is very sad.
Comment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
Alright Mr. Real American.
I am supervising an intern who had two daddys, and she is heterosexual and married. She is also one of the more “together” people I have met. Not to mention an excellent intern.
I guess there’s always the exception huh?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:18 pmTheir time is limited and they know it. These old biddies and bastards will eventually die out and younger, more tolerant people will take over. They’ll always be idiots out there but eventually gay marriage will be legal, unless these morons ban it now.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:18 pmIncidentally, Chris Matthews skewered both Boehner (with sweat and snot dripping down his upper lip) and Katherine Harris quite handily a few minutes ago. Bravo Chris….you do have a spine!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:19 pmSchedule one for yourself. And for your kids too, if you’ve supressed your bathhouse urges enough to grudgingly procreate with your unsuspecting, but puzzled wife.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:19 pmAs an Athiest, I’m sick of hearing about what Jesus would do. Can’t people think for themselves? I mean Jesus’s brain was no different than anyone else’s. We all know right from wrong.
Just like animals don’t need Jesus telling them not to go around murdering or robbing liquor stores or coveting thy neighbors junk, we too know that to get along in a society we must be nice. Not that difficult. Doesn’t require assistance to figure out.
You don’t need a Jesus to run your brain. Just a bit of your own effort (a.k.a. self-esteem). After all, it’s the religious zealots who frequently do the most harm… and usually in Jesus’s name… Think about it (think being the operative word).
September 27th, 2006 at 6:19 pmReal American, do you think gays and lesbians are born with their sexuality or choose it?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:21 pm#69-
Im pretty confident that the people who will have to answer to the maker are all the poor souls who embrace the homosexual lifestyle, and do not repent. The Lord does not look kindly on mortal sins, you know?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmPaul # 71 - I think that would be a great idea, who gives a damn, just give it a different name and that’s it. But no one would ever go for it. The focus from conservatives would shift from “protecting conventional marriage” to “banning the legitimization of a homosexual relationship.” From the gays/libs, I think most would be okay as long as it would essentially be the same thing. But some are real gung-ho about revolutionizing the term marriage, which I’m not sure is such a good idea anymore.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmSo is the lifestyle chosen by most Republicans — unless you consider bigotry, hatred, endless war and trampling of the poor virtues.
Of course, I don’t see anyone trying to ammend the Constitution to stop that…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmI smell sulphur, Marilyn, is that you?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmThe Repukelican stand against gay marriage is quite understandable, from their point of view. It is not complicated at all and has nothing at all to do with religion except the religion of greed. It is a fair statement to say that most G&L are Democrats and most make a fair wage and most have fringe benefits at work including health insurance. Now suppose two people, one female and one male, work together and both make the same salary, both file separate returns, and both pay insurance premiums. If the two get married they then file a joint return with a considerable reduction in taxes and one claims the other as a dependent and their insurance premiums are reduced significantly. The Neocons want to deny the ability of G&L’s to pool resources for tax and insurance premium savings thereby denying that income to the Government and the Insurance Companies. The Neocons couldn’t care less if the G&L’s get married, they just want the G&L’s to pay the extra money. If marriage were the question then the Neocons should pass an amendment outlawing unmarried co-habitation. But that would strike to close to home so we can’t consider that.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:26 pmEveryone should be entitled to their beliefs.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:27 pmNOW it makes sense! Ms. Musgrave is one of the priviliged few who has managed a 0 rating on environmental votes in Congress (Along with her esteemed colleague Rep. Bob “Both Ways” Beauprez, running for Colorado Guv). She finds there is so little time to protect our water, air and earth but this Gay marriage stuff, now that is a whole other issue!
I am a Coloradoan, but NOT in her District, Thank Jesus!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:30 pmHere’s another idea. forbid gay marriage; if you can get a nationwide plurality. Require at least one recent documented homosexual encounter (to prove sufficient grasp of the issue) in order to vote.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:30 pmAs an Athiest, I’m sick of hearing about what Jesus would do. Can’t people think for themselves? I mean Jesus’s brain was no different than anyone else’s. We all know right from wrong.
-Unbelievable
That is an interesting comment. I ask you, how does one learn right from wrong? You liberals seem to forget that you need some sort of basis to establish right from wrong, otherwise you will never know the difference. Jesus, and other religions, give people that basis. It is no wonder you are morally bankraupt.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#85 - Everyone should be entitled to their beliefs.
If that’s the case, I believe I’ll have another beer. Thanks!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:36 pmEveryone should be entitled to their beliefs.
Comment by ForTruth — September 27, 2006 @ 6:27 pm
Until they become destructive to others, and really, look at what Bush’s beliefs have done to our country…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pm#79-
They definitely choose it. Show me a study that has isolated the “gay gene”. There is none. Natural homosexuality is an oxymoron, and goes against the theory of evolution. If, indeed, homosexuality was genetic, then it would passed from generation to generation through reproduction. Do you understand me? REPRODUCTION. Since homos have little to no interest in sexual reproduction, it is logical that the hypothetical gene would summarily fail to be passed, and would have died out long ago, if it existed. So, go sell the “gay gene” theory somewhere else. It is illogical, and couldn’t possibly exist.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pmMusgrave says Gay marriage is the most important issue?What’s wrong with that woman? An average of two troops a day dying in Iraq and we’ve spent 318 BILLION over there? With no end in sight? She’s an IDIOT!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:38 pmMusgrave needs some strong medication. She’s delusional. 318 Biilion spent in Iraq, almost 3000 dead and 20,000 wounded. Get the stright jacket for her.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:41 pmI think what Musgrave meant was “most important issue for distracting attention from issues that matter.”
Read “Master narratives: Conservatives.”
September 27th, 2006 at 6:42 pmComment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006
Homosexual behaviour is rampant in almost every mammalian species on the planet. I can’t think of anything more “natural” than “nature” as a guide. you can rail against it all you want but it is a “natural” part of every mammal, and human beings certainly qualify. Now you can personaaly find it distasteful, but what 2 people do in the privacy of their bedroom is their business, and the fact that people find it SO threatening says more about them than about homosexuals.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:43 pmOh really? Gay Marriage is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE to WHO? Maybe a handful of people, but NOT the majority. I guess she doesn’t have anything else to run on and hope she’s voted out.
I think our soldiers dying in Iraq, the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraq’s, and the BILLIONS of dollars we have spent on this immoral war is 10X more important that gay marriage.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:44 pm#88 - …I ask you, how does one learn right from wrong? You liberals seem to forget that you need some sort of basis to establish right from wrong, otherwise you will never know the difference. Jesus, and other religions, give people that basis. It is no wonder you are morally bankraupt.
OK. I’ll stop what I’m doing right now and do what the Bible commands me to do. This includes sleeping with my daughters, stoning adulterers (which will include Emperor Bush because he slept with Jeff Gannon), mass murder of children, avoid looking into the Ark of the Lord, murder anyone who looks the wrong way, and murder census takers.
Yes. These things I can do in the name of your Christofascist beliefs. It has been written! Therefore I can do them.
No wonder Christofascist Terrorists are morally bankrupt!!!
[from: http://www.religioustolerance.org/imm_bibl2.htm ]
September 27th, 2006 at 6:45 pmThat is an interesting comment. I ask you, how does one learn right from wrong?
How does a deer or a bird (because you’re not going to argue that they are immoral)? Mostly nature, and partly nurture.
Religion was a human creation built upon human ethics. The reason we know right from wrong is because we defined it. SImple.
You liberals seem to forget that you need some sort of basis to establish right from wrong, otherwise you will never know the difference.
Nonsense. Both China and Russia are largely atheistic countries. They are not immoral people.
In fact, 15% of Americans are not religious. Less than 1% of people in prison are not religion. You don’t need religion to tell you. You are born knowing.
Let me put it this way… Who taught you that your favorite food tastes good? No one. No one had to to or has to teach you other basics in life.
Jesus, and other religions, give people that basis. It is no wonder you are morally bankraupt.
Comment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
So that is what Hitler was doing - being a good Christian? He read the Bible and was a devout Catholic, yet he was responsible for the murder of millions, while I refuse to kill other animals to eat.
Yeah, that makes sense that a pacifist vegan who took a 75% cut in pay to become a teacher to address the growing high school drop out rate in the red state where I grew up is more morally bankrupt than Hitler. Like I said, you people do not use your brains. Thanks for the additional validation.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:46 pmThe study of animal sexuality is a rapidly developing field. It used to be believed that only humans and a handful of species performed sexual acts other than for procreation, and that animals sexuality was instinctive and a simple response to the “right” stimulation (sight, scent). Current understanding is that many species believed monogamous have now been proven to be promiscuous or opportunistic in nature, a wide range of species appear to both masturbate and to use objects as tools to help them do so, in many species animals try to give and get sexual stimulation with others where procreation is not the aim, and homosexual behavior has now been documented in over 450 species.
Can’t get more “natural” than that, huh?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:46 pmAssuming that you’re not a self-hating, closet case weirdo, why do you judge people so harshly who are different from you?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:48 pmActually, I’m guessing Marilyn jumped on the gay marriage issue at that family values confab cause she wants to get it on with Jerry Foulsmell and have more Karl Rove look-a-like babies…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:48 pmI’m sure getting weary of all these pale, overweight, blobbering losers………
Wait a minute.
You put “FULL TRANSCRIPT” then in the middle there is a [SNIP].
I know she’s stupid and the stupid culture wars are not the most important issue, but that’s what she was talking about. She said the culture wars are the biggest issue, not just one part of it, gay marriage.
What was in between talking about gay marriage and talking about the most important issue?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:49 pmShow me a study that has isolated the “gay geneâ€. There is none.
Comment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
Not that you have a clue about science, but it isn’t ‘Either there is a gay gene or they choose’. There’s a study that shows it is likely hormonal.
I have lived most of my adult life in Atlanta and San Francisco as an architectural designer. I’ve known a lot of gay people. They don’t choose. You might know this if you bothered to speak to people who aren’t mirror images of yourself.
Ignorance breeds hate… no wonder you’re so intolerant.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:51 pmThe future is grim?
Who’s future? The Republican’s?
Unbelievable! The future is grim for all bigots and bible-thumpers like Ms. Musgrave who’s digging her own grave like the rest of the neo-cons in congress.
Homosexually yours,
September 27th, 2006 at 7:02 pmWhile I’m not a fan of Mary Cheney, it’s not the Mary Cheney’s of the world we need to worry about. Someone needs to tell Congresswoman Musgrave, it’s the Dick Cheney’s of the world that’s the problem and why our future looks grim!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:02 pmI’ve begun to believe that the neocons who come here are masochistic…
September 27th, 2006 at 7:02 pmA+Real+American:
1) With regard to your earliest comments: have you read the Old and New Testaments in their original languages, not in their perverse English translations? Before you paraphrase the Lord, you might want to read the original text and study the words in the context of their sentences and passages. I think you’ll be surprised by some religious leaders’ bizarre interpretations of God’s message.
2) Re: Comment #91: Your claim that “Homos have little to no interest in sexual reproduction” holds no water. Not one drop! How do you explain gay men and women who desire intensely to carry and/or bear and/or raise children? They describe the same maternal and paternal instincts as heterosexuals. And how do you explain that nearly one quarter of all gay and lesbian couples across this country choose to raise children?
3) There exists no conclusive scientific evidence that gay parents are worse parents than heterosexual parents; in fact, studies — I’m talking about those that aren’t funded or conducted by the American Family Associaton! — show just the opposite. Here’s a great, peer-reviewed journal article to help you down the path of research: PEDIATRICS, Vol. 118, no. 1 (July 1996). Check out the references in the footnotes.
4) I’m guessing that you are anti-abortion. By logical extension, I assume that you would like to live in a society in which every child born is a planned child. Gay parenting is a wonderful way to achieve this goal because, by definition, gays and lesbian couples must make thoughtful and deliberate decisions when they want to start families. Want to curb abortions? Permit gay marriage and gay parenting!
Cheers.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmYes it is ’cause gay people explode and kill alot of inocent churchy people.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:06 pmYes it is ’cause gay people explode and kill inicent churchy people.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:07 pmReal American, i am an agnostic (atheist), and i don’t feel morally bankrupt. also, you’re the one refering to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as “bull dikes and/or butt-pirates” in post #66. keep it real.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:08 pmps, obviously, i meant civil union. and if your unwilling to compromise, why should conservatives want to compromise with you when they retain the house and senate in november?
Comment by paul — September 27, 2006 @ 7:01 pm
So that when there’s a Democratic president in 2008 and he uses BushCo’s rules to round up Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al and renders them to Syria to be tortured and then put on trial for war crimes and get executed, I don’t want to hear you whining about how a Democrat “can’t” do that.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmWOW!!!
Our most important issue of the day is banning gay marriage?
that almost doesn’t even dignify an answer.
how can two guys named Bob and Bruce living together in Greenwich village be a threat to the marriage of some closed minded retard in co?
how much you wanna bet that a lot of the talking heads trying to protect the institue of marriage are getting a little on the side or even better yet, are on their second or third marriage?
besides, it’s only a wedge issue, and an easy one for brain-dead members of congress to go on about.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:11 pm#91. Real American. when i was a kid i had a male beagle. great dog. one day the neighbor dog came over and tried to mount him. good thing i was there, cause that dog was bigger than my dog. did the big dog choose homosexuality? if he did, will he be refused at the doggie pearly gates.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:13 pmYou have to wonder why they’re so stirred up. I mean, if God is as powerful as they like to think he is, why are they so worried?
And here’s my guess….they think they’ll be punished for not stopping it. They are scared to death of their God.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:16 pmGod loves gays and lesbians just like God loves everyone else. Sexual ethics are a problem for people of all orientations. It’s not the orientation, it’s the exploitation.
Musgrave and her ilk know little of the Bible (3000 mentions of poverty and justice, 3 of homosexuality), little of Protestant theology (grace trumps law, nothing separate us from the love of Christ), little of what is going on in most Christian churches in the US (the left is growing fast, the right is shrinking, peaked a while ago), and to my ears, little of the Holy Spirit’s character and will for humanity.
Don’t let people like her confuse the issue. Americans don’t want hatred as a form of government. They raise a lot of dough, and they make a lot of noise, but they will never win. Focus on what both the left and those who claim to follow Jesus should DO: alternative institution and business creation, grassroots advocacy and intervention for poor and disenfranchised people.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:19 pmCultural war? Battle?
Why do the American people seem to vote for extremists these days? This elected representative of The People hates The People. She is calling for a war against the state’s own people.
There are gay and transgendered people in every family, or were in their past and will be in their future. Get over it.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:20 pmI’m a happily married heterosexual female. Because I am secure in my marriage and my husband and myself are reasonable, responsible people I don’t feel at all threatened by homosexual couples. What property rights will I lose? Do I worry that a gay man will “take” my husband from me? Where are the threats from gay people to my marriage? I do remember watching an older gay man dying alone in ICU at the hospital I worked at. Why??? Because only family members are allowed in ICU and his partner of more than 15 years was not “immediate” family. But the immediate family didn’t want to associate with him because he had been living in an openly gay relationship. Hate is still hate no matter how you wrap your argument in it. And if you want to think in only black and white terms as so many Republicans do these days, then hate is evil, love is good.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pmMighty Aprodite, Exley, Beefeater, Limbaugh, Falafel O’Reilly
can now join the Army or send their kids to fight!
I bet those Bush-o-cons will be lined up around the block to join and/or send little Johnny off to war!
Why is this lady worried about dead-end wedge issues? Why isn’t she asking her friends and relatives to join the Army?
September 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pmWhoever is the opponent of this moron should run this video in their campaign commercials relentlessly. Gay marriage the most important issue in the country?? BWHAHAHA!!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:26 pmThe most important issue that we face today is the rise of fascism in this country, typified by, represented by, illustrated by people who attack other people for not being exactly like them and not LYING about it. What is the solution lady? What constitutes “winning” a cultural “war” in your own country, and who authorized you to conduct “war” on your own countrymen? Want all the gays in the country to commit suicide on your front porch? Would that make you happy? What ever happend to loving your neighbor? Where does all this hatred come from? OR is it a propensity to court power and attention at anyone else’s expense? Maybe you can inspire a few extra votes from those firey words that serve no human or god but yourself.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:27 pm“The people in Colorado…” believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman? Musgrave only represents one district, the 4th District, which is basically an extension of Kansas and Nebraska — all flat and mostly conservative. Colorado has 7 districts. She doesn’t represent all of Colorado and she has no right to speak as though she does. She should stick to representing those who voted for her. That’s her job.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:30 pmHere is a study on the pedophile Repiglican mindset ARA;
September 27th, 2006 at 7:32 pmhttp://www.gatago.com/alt/non/racism/23174032.html
I went to write her a note on her website about how gay marriage isn’t the most important issue.
You have to select from a list of important issues that identifies what the subject of your note will be.
Gay marriage isn’t an option.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:32 pmI think republican pedophelia is more important than consenting adults,,,
September 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pmIf, indeed, homosexuality was genetic, then it would passed from generation to generation through reproduction. Do you understand me? REPRODUCTION.
Indeed homosexuality is genetic and IS in fact passed on from generation to generation through reproduction. The reality is that NOT every homosexual feels comfortable “coming out” because of people like Ms. Musgrave and all the conservative backward thinkers in this country and this government. They live a miserable heterosexual married life because of REPRESSION.They then become sexually perversed and obssessed because of REPRESSION!! Look at most republicans and their history of sexual misconduct… REPRESSION!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:38 pmDo you understand me?
Hey G-Dawg did you see my list I posted of moral Republicans?
Yeh, that’s what I thought too, these folks are way worse than Clinton ever thought about being.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:41 pmA+Real+American
If you don’t believe what bones in #100 about homsexuality documented in 450 species, you should read this article:
September 27th, 2006 at 7:42 pmThis speaker is a righteous woman who is doing what the Bible commands us to do: “Cry Loud and Spare Not!” God bless her for her bold stand against the rotten and filthy attempt of indecent trash to wreck this God fearing Nation. Keep the Faith, Baby.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:46 pmYeh she denies her own party the attention they deserve huh??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They live a miserable heterosexual married life because of REPRESSION.They then become sexually perversed and obssessed because of REPRESSION!! –Marley
Do tell!!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:50 pmYeh Baby Yeh! Go after those nasty immoral pedophile Republicans and hypocrites!!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pm#130….Hey plainwain, why do you use bold throughout your post? It just draws more attention to the fact that you are a raving lunatic!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:53 pmPeople like her should have never been born.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:54 pmLets get Virulent on them corrupt and pedophilic immoral political republicans!! Yeh baby let the Lord bring his sword upon them!
Let their be psychological evaluations of Congress and Senate!!
heh.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:54 pmI can’t imagine any sane person would even listen to this bitch let alone, marry her. Unfortunately we have a clone of Musgrave in Minnesota - her name is Michelle Bachman. Any chance they are related?
September 27th, 2006 at 7:58 pmThe war on terror, our national security, the war in Iraq, the national debt, the economy, our trade deficit, escalating health care costs, exporting jobs to other countries, global warming, education, and immigration reform are not the most important things facing Americans today?
September 27th, 2006 at 8:02 pmTHIS WOMAN IS OBSCENE !
She must be related to Michelle Bachman - same beliefs as the bitch we’re dealing with in Minnesota.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:02 pm#68 - Joefriday:
Yes… the same one!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:06 pmMy #5 Challenge still unanswered. I also have a few comments, as a psychologist, who has counseled many children and adults, both heterosexual and homosexual.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:07 pm1. No homosexual chose his/her sexual orientation, anymore than heterosexuals choose theirs. They do choose their lifestyle, some more harmful than others, just like heterosexuals.
2. I have never seen a child harmed by having homosexual parents but I certainly have seen ones hurt by heterosexual ones, including sexually harmed. I do understand, BTW, that there would be a difference just on the basis of there being fewer homosexual parents. But I saw NONE.
3. There are many conditions and traits which have a genetic base for which we cannot identify a specific gene. It is, in fact, unlikely that single genes are less important than combinations of genes.
4. There have been studies of genetic and hormonal factors that are suggested as conditions which help cause a homosexual orientation.
5. Research has demonstrated that homosexuals are no more mentally ill as a group or dysfunctional socially than are heterosexuals.
6. Finally, who cares? Why should homosexuals’ “pursuit of happiness”, rights of assembly, and equal protection under the law be denied only because of a religious litmus test?
Maybe plainwain needs to find his/her post in bold to re-read his/herself later
Lets get Virulent on them corrupt and pedophilic immoral political republicans!! Yeh baby let the Lord bring his sword upon them!
Let their be psychological evaluations of Congress and Senate!!
heh. Comment by Sovereing
The whole congress process needs to be re-evaluated.
Subjecting each member of congress to a psychological evaluation would eliminate all Republicans! Good riddance. Clean house!
If we have to pass such tests to be hired or promoted to senior corporate executive positions why can’t they?
September 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnother neocon douchebag…goes to show where their priorities are in this do-nothing Congress.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:16 pmCanada allows gay marriage and I haven’t noticed their culture collapsing.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pm(In fact, they have universal health care, don’t they?)
Jeez I’m late posting–sorry, just got home from work.
#17 What an embarassment. No wonder the rest of the country sees Colorado as a backwards-ass red state. Comment by donnatella
May I add Colorado’s strange occurrences of school shooters, women-draggers and just plain confused folks (why I moved away).
Coincidence?
September 27th, 2006 at 8:25 pmShe is more offensive than tubgirl.
http://halflife2.zoy.org/images/tubgirl.jpg
September 27th, 2006 at 8:26 pmHow can you have a culture decent war with people utterly lacking in culture? This beeatch doesn’t want gays to marry - that’s the main issue of out TIMES - but I bet she’s all for torturing. That’s a family value.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:34 pm“…the most important issue we face…” ??? WTF??? She can’t be serious. I have yet to have one person succintly explain why gay marriage is such a grave threat. Can anyone help me out here. Why is this such a threat… a threat to what? To whom??? I just don’t get it. I’m pretty sure my wife and I would be unaffected by gay marriage.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:34 pmI meant “decent culture war” - drat this lysdexia!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:37 pm[quote]My #5 Challenge still unanswered(………)[/quote]
“No homosexual chose his/her sexual orientation(…)”
There is no scientific proof for that. which basically means the subject remains subjective, at least for non-believers.
You mention the things you haven’t seen on homosexuals, I’ll tell you the things I’ve seen. I’ve seen a large percentage of homosexuals come from grim pasts, either sexually abused as a child or with some other trauma. That kind of scenario is tough for anyone, and they deserve all the help we can give them. But I’d say such traumatic past is more of an indication of their sexual orientation than science.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:37 pmCaption Contest:
“Oh my… thank you Ms. Bush, you’re makin’ me blush… I already made plans with my husband tonight. But I am free tomorrow night…”
September 27th, 2006 at 8:38 pmAren’t she and Anne Coulter lovers? or is that just a nasty rumour I made up for everyone to spread. Or are they just ‘involved with Rumsfeld and Cheney.
I live in Ontario, Canada. Any unrelated humans over age 16 can marry here. After the initial squall by the “God will get you” people, which lasted about a week, nobody made a fuss, really. People get married, and it’s equally boring to strangers whether they are of the same or different sexes. And banning same-sex marriage isn’t going to make gay people rush off and marry people of the opposite sex, or convert them to straighthood.
I fully suspect that many of the opponents are closet cases, or professional bigots. It’s just seen as uncouth to badmouth people of colour, or Jews, or Muslims. Publicly, anyway. Just marginalize the heck out of people you don’t like. That’s the American Way, according to the Musgraves of this world.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:44 pmGood Lord, Musgrave looks like something out of Night of the Living Dead with pancake makeup. It seems like all of that hateful venom has gone directly to the baggy, saggy extremity that on human beings is called a face.
Love heals, Marilyn. Try the cure.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:45 pm#145. Dan!!!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:45 pmPlease give a warning before you post such horrors around dinner time.
miguel d
I have worked with sex abuse victims. The percentage of children who are victimized is incredibly high, so of course many homosexual children would be victims and most of these children are traumatized. I have also worked with sex offenders. Sex offenders choose vulnerable victims - by age, cognitive level, emotional needs. With our culture’s negativity toward homosexuality (kids start talking about “queers” pretty early), is it any wonder that children discovering their homosexual attractions might be insecure and vulnerable? Thus, the trauma is a