Musgrave: Gay Marriage ‘Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’
Musgrave: Gay Marriage ‘Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’
Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO), the lead sponsor of the constitutional ban on gay marriage in the House, spoke this weekend at the Family Research Council’s “Values Voter Summit.” (Other virulently anti-gay speakers were featured at the event.)
Musgrave declared that gay marriage “is the most important issue that we face today.” She told the audience that “when you’re in a cultural war like this, you have to respond with equal and hopefully greater force if you want to win,” and warned that the “future is grim” if gay marriage is not banned. Watch it:
Nine of the 11 annual laws that fund government agencies have not yet been passed by the current Congress. A long list of critical national security legislation remains unresolved. And yet, thanks to hard-right members of Congress like Musgrave, Congress wasted time this session debating fringe issues like gay marriage, flag burning, and repealing the estate tax.
Full transcript:
As Maggie and I were talking before we came on, I wasn’t attacked on marriage, because the people in Colorado believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman. In fact, it’s on the ballot this year for a constitutional change.
[snip]
But, you know, when I was in the last weeks of my last campaign, you know what I was thinking? Where’s our side? What are they doing? And I believe that when you’re in a cultural war like this, you have to respond with equal and hopefully greater force if you want to win this battle. But this battle is the most important issue that we face today, and what an honor it has been to serve in the United States Congress and carry the Marriage Amendment.
Last time, we were 54 votes short in this legislative session. That’s 9 votes more than we had last year. But there is much work to be done. So I hope that you will realize how high the stakes are. The future is grim unless we do what we need to do to win this battle. We need to elect people to positions of authority in the states and in the United States Congress, and we need to fight the good fight for our children and our grandchildren. Thank you very much.
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what a dumbass!
September 27th, 2006 at 4:59 pmShe speaks rot.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:04 pmHey stupid lady….their are soldiers DYING as we speak!…..you sorry self-centered dummy.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:04 pmGod, guns and gays! Must be election season.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
The most important issue? It’s not evenan important issue!
I challenge anyone to describe any way that allowing gays complete access to the institution of marriage can hurt society as a whole, any group of individuals, or any single individuals. I challenge anyone to give even one secular reason to deny gays access to the institution of marriage, which is managed by secular government.
There are two options: make “marriage” a religious practice which can then be left to individual religious conscience and have government only register civil unions for any couple wishing it for legal reasons or grant gays the same rights to marriage as heterosexuals.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmhey lady, soldiers dying as we speak….you self-centered blind dummy.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:08 pm“gay marriage is the most important issue that we face today.â€
BWHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
Oh shit, she just broke the stupidity meter.
Don’t get out much do you douchebag?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#5 – To them the damage would be in the eyes of God. They still think that God will destroy America with brimstone and fire like he destroyed Soddom and Gomorra (sp?)
lol
These people really need to grow brains and stop believing in fairy tales about an angry bearded guy up in the clouds who hates gay people.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:12 pmQUESTION NO XTIAN TALIBAN CAN ANSWER
1. How does it personally affect you if someone else is gay?
2. If you’re ok with Billions of tax dollars going to Christian based groups then your ok with BILLIONS in tax dollars going to other faith based groups like Islam right?
3. Your ok with being used in fake wedge issues by Karl Rove like Gay marriage right?
Rape-Public-Cans = Fake Americans
September 27th, 2006 at 5:13 pmWHO SAID THE FOLLOWING?
Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past … (few) years.
[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
RAPE-PUBLIC-CANS = Fake Americans
September 27th, 2006 at 5:14 pmwhat a disgusting human being
September 27th, 2006 at 5:14 pmChris Matthews just SLAMMED John Boehner (who took Tom DeLays place) on all the IMPORTANT issues. You saw sweat developing under Boehners lip as he tried to defend the war on terror, and all the failed policies of the administration like the 2 year push for Social Security reform which was just dropped all of a sudden this year, and the fact that all Republcians EXCEPT for Bush want to punish illegal immigrants, and those who hire them.
It was a terrific interview. Boehner was officially crushed. Hopefully someone will post it online.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:15 pmPerhaps it is really important to her. Go ahead, Marilyn, come on out of the closet.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:17 pmWell, this is something that Musgrave and bin Laden are in complete agreement on. So why is Musgrave supporting the terrorists.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:19 pm#10… Your Conscience:
I think the right-wing would answer your first question by saying that legalizing gay marriage will help bring the apocalypse. It would do that because gay marriage is against God’s law.
They would answer question #2 by saying “Yes, we’d be okay with them funding Islam religions” but then in secret they would do all they could to NOT allow it. Because a lot of those Christians are so set in their beleifs that their religion is the right one, they will do all they can to force everyone to follow it. They would even break their own commandments to make that happen.
They would answer question #3 by saying the issue is neither fake, nor a wedge issue. To them, it’s of the utmost importance because it would bring the apocalypse.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:20 pmWhat an embarassment. No wonder the rest of the country sees Colorado as a backwards-ass red state.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:20 pmThis is certainly onr thing that her Taliban brothers are fighting for, too. The blindly doctinaire resemblances are striking, aren’t they?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:21 pmCloset lesbian, tough being an evangelical with a taste for clam.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:22 pmThose damn liberal Universities
It’s a You Tube video on Diebold voting machines, very informative.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:22 pm“But this battle is the most important issue that we face today”,/i>
Okay, this alone should disqualify her from federal office. So she’s saying that runaway Congressional spending, unchecked executive power abuse, and soldiers dying in an illegal war are less important than whether two gay people she will never meet in her life get married???
Colorado, do you pay attention to whom you send to Congress?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:23 pmAt the end of the Matthews piece he actually said “It will be the democrats that find the truth and answers about Iraq and terrorism”. Why has Matthews developed a spine? When the media sees their future shift to the opposition party and they jump ship, the future looks good for the Democrats.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:26 pmAngie Paccione is running against Marilyn Musgrave, one of the most vulnerable members of Congress, in CO-04. She’s going to be liveblogging at 5:30 EST at Firedoglake.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:28 pm… the more ReichWingNuts yammer on about gays the more I’m convinced they’re all Log Cabin Republicans…
Their new battle cry: Bush/Gannon ‘08!!!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:30 pmher (marilyn musrot’s) present and future are sorrowfully grim, gay marriage or not.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmI think I will mail her my extra dildo (with instructions)so she can find more interesting things to do with her free time …enough of this tired subject already. Who gives a damn? As for me: the most important thing we need to do is to stop these darn christian divorces….must outlaw it througha Constitutional
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmAmendment….all these children with single parents are bad for the country and will probably grow up to be terrorists.
I’m confused. The reason heterosexuals divorce 50-60% of the time has something to do with gay people? And this will only get worse if gay people get married?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmPeople who live in glass houses…
Shouldn’t be allowed to speak in public.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmMaybe if Marilyn “got some” once in a while (straight or kinky, I don’t care) the subject of homosexuality wouldn’t be so heavily on her mind.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:32 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong.
Comment by G-Dawg — September 27, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
You first.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:33 pmIf you’re against gay marriage, isn’t the easiest solution to not marry a gay person?
Trust me … if there is a God, he’ll destroy this country not because we’re “immoral” or not following “his will.”
He’ll do it because we have so many people who are entirely too stupid to be allowed to live (and, yes, I’m looking in Mussgrave’s direction).
September 27th, 2006 at 5:33 pmListen guys, read your bible. In the New Testament, Jesus holds a press conference and says “Gay marriage is gross,” he then goes on to say “deadly wars based on false intelligence? You figure I’d be against them, but I’m actually for them.” When quizzed about abortion he responded “That’s not a form of torture is it? Because if its torture, I’m for it… if it’s not, then, I’m guessing I’m against it.”
Then as a final note he interjected, “oh, and also, that stuff I said earlier, feeding and caring for the needy and the poor… yeah, I changed my mind. That’s dumb, let’s not do that.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPRLq0p3n0
September 27th, 2006 at 5:35 pmOT – sorry
K. Olbermann received a powder substance at his HOME yesterday. It turned out to be soap powder, but the NY Post mocked the seriousness of the story.
Think they would mock this if it happened to B.O.?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:37 pmit seems to me that if you want to “save” marriage, pass a law against adultery –
it wouldn’t have hurt nearly as much if my husband had said “our neighbors are gay and getting married” as when he said “i’m dating someone else and moving out”. i think our marriage would have survived our gay neighbors, but it didn’t survive his interest in “dating”.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:37 pmAs a conservative I would have to say that she is wrong. The most important issue is not gay marriage. I am a supporter of gay marriage. But even if I wasn’t, the Constitution should not limit the individual but the government itself.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:38 pmThese rightwing bigots are the only ones calling it a culture “war.” In effect, they have declared war on their own country and their own people.
What a bunch of Redcoats Cowards, they are more afraid of freedom that Bin Laden is.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:38 pm“you have to respond with equal and hopefully greater force if you want to win”
What’s she going to do? marry all the gay people before they get a chance to marry amongst themselves?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:39 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong. Comment by G-Dawg
Why? “Should” shut because you say so? Does that mean you “should” shut up if I say so? “Where they belong” is in the closet? Why? Again, because you say so? Does that mean you “belong” in your local “dawg” shelter, in a cage, because I say so?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:40 pmThere is something grossly out of whack with people like Musgrave. They are somehow so threatened by something that is immaterial to them that they don’t think straight.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:40 pmWhat a waste of time, money and legislation.
Comment by kmiller — September 27, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
you are so right… adultery is much more of a threat to marriage than gay unions.
what are these barbarians going to do next, try and pass a constitutional amendment against adultery “because it threatens marriage?”
I think not!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:41 pmIf you’re against gay marriage, isn’t the easiest solution to not marry a gay person?
there’s the difference between democrats and republicans…
republicans tell you what to think.
democrats give you the choice.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:42 pmkmiller
September 27th, 2006 at 5:43 pmFirst, I am sorry for your experience. Second, you are dead-on correct. Third, imagine the agony of a married man who can no longer tolerate living the lie by being gay and trying to pass as straight, coming out, and divorcing. Our society has made that scenario all to common.
READ YOUR BIBLE MARILYN MUSGRAVE
“Ye though I say unto you, they shall raise up the least among them to the highest post and he shall appear as a monkee. The sheep shall follow and the lies shall flow like water from the sea. They shall believe his deceptions and follow him unto war with the wrong nation. And Cheney will shoot a guy in the face too.”
Lobotomy 9:11
September 27th, 2006 at 5:44 pmGay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong.
Comment by G-Dawg
Sounds to me you had a drunken uncle who used to hide in your closet when you were a kid. I hope you can solve your issues.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:44 pmYet another shining example of this strange form of Christianism.
Kick some spare change to her opponent:
September 27th, 2006 at 5:45 pmhttp://www.angie2006.com/
Yep. In ‘Merca the most ‘portant issue is whether the fags get to marry…
September 27th, 2006 at 5:45 pmWhat do you want to bet this idiot is really just another closeted self-loathing homosexual? I swear, the GOP is rampant with them! Ever heard the expression, “Methinks the lady doth protest too much?”
September 27th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWow. I would have said peace and continued prosperity are important issues to work towards. Guess I was wrong….
September 27th, 2006 at 5:47 pmMusgrave: Gay Marriage ‘Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’
That’s a Republican talking point from 2004. I heard people saying that exact phrase after hearing from their pastors all about the horrors of gay marriage and how it was a threat to heterosexual marriage. And guess where the pastors got it. Straight from James Dobson and Karl Rove.
It’s interesting that people like Musgrave think they’re going to get some mileage out of it again. As if voters don’t see all the other things that far outweigh that issue in importance. It’s not even on their radar screen.
Musgrave has a soul sister in the Minnesota 6th congressional district, Michele Bachmann. The interesting thing about her, aside from her being a bible-thumping, tax-protesting homophobe, is that her stepsister is gay and has publicly denounced her for her anti-gay rants.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmWhat’s wrong with these people?
isn’t the Iraq war about “protecting freedom?”
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmI think Liz Taylor, Brittany Spears and Dennis Rodman threaten the institution of marraige. Liz has married many, many times, Brittany married her high school sweetheart on a lark and had it annulled in hours. Dennis, well Dennis is Dennis.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmJesus and God hate gay people and want you to kill them…it’s on page….page….well….I can’t find it but I just ‘know’ it’s true.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pmLady, don’t worry about your husband ‘turning gay’, or YOU…just open your eyes and make friends with reality….
To all of you bashing Colorado as a backwards, redneck state: Marilyn Musgrave doesn’t speak for Colorado…she speaks for about 20 percent of 1/7th of the population of the state, that 1/7th being in a district that pretty much includes the entire northeast section of Colorado, meaning it is much more similar to Kansas and Nebraska than it is to Colorado. Get your facts straight, and if you are planning a ski vacation, go somewhere else…we don’t want you here.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pm#34, kmiller:
There ARE a few Christians I’ve talked to who are for banning divorce.
What troubles me with that plan is that it seems they want to keep banning things they don’t like until things are “all better.” Gay marriage, right to choose, etc. Unfortunately, when you have more than one person on the planet, you’re going to have more than one set of views on things.
So you’ll never be able to outlaw everything you want because there will always be enough people to vote against that.
It’s just so stupid that they want to keep banning, and banning things in order to have the country they desire.
Even less fortunate, a lot of Democrats and Liberals share the blame. They want to outlaw “In God We Trust” from schools. Oh but wait – that law was already set in the constitution to keep separation from Church and State. Also, “In God We Trust” was NOT on money, and was NOT on our government buildings, and was NOT in the Pledge Of Allegiance when are forefathers build the country as we know it.
All of the “In God We Trust” placements happened pretty friggin’ recently!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:50 pm“Methinks the Lady doth protest too much.” No doubt she’s a closeted self-loathing homosexual. The GOP is rampant with them.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:50 pmIs it the gays coming over the border to get married or the gay terrorists that trouble this woman?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:51 pmHey guys, lighten up.
Sounds to me like G-Dawg was being ironic.
Musgrave et al. think that people will stop being gay–they will choose to be straight–if we just outlaw gay marriage.
G-Dawg’s comment highlights the fact that we’ll still have gays, they’ll just be in the closet, with all the problems that brings (sham marriages, etc.)
September 27th, 2006 at 5:54 pmIs this woman for real? Give us a break. As an out Gay man in a closed relationship, I don’t believe these radically biased bigots can be allowed in Congress. Yet – they are.
The MOST important fight for this victim of the fashion system, and hair for that matter… and make up (for sure she knows not ONE Gay man, maybe she should!) …. should be a trip to the nearest Neiman Marcus. Or in her case – ROSS.
This is pure tragedy, this radical assembly of Christian warriors. As a Catholic… like my Dad jokes – we win over the right wing losers – our church has men in dresses, gold cups, and pretty glass. I’ll take that over the biting heads off snakes, would YOU want to get married there?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:55 pmAnd then she wonders why there is so much violence in Colorado school systems…
What else do you expect when you preach hate and intolerance but hate and intolerance?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:57 pm“I believe that when you’re in a cultural war like this, you have to respond with equal, and hopefully greater, force if you want to win this battle.”
Marilyn “Pickles” Musgrave–(Waste of Human Skin) Colorado, 4th District
Given the Republicans’ laughable war record so far, what makes her think that they can win a culture war?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:57 pm45 minutes since I posted a challenge in #5 and no takers, not even from G-Dawg. I also note that TP’s old homosexual-hater Moonbat Patrol has not shown up on the homosexual-themed threads in quite a while. I wonder the old codger has gone to.
Well, I guess it’s time to move on – I might check back in an hour or two. If not, well-done my progressive comrades until we defend again!
September 27th, 2006 at 5:58 pmLet’s get the facts straight here, people. Jesus would never hate or want to destroy fags and lezbos. It is not his style. “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is what I believe to be Jesus’ stance toward homos. We must all pray for the souls of these tormented people. The lifestyles they choose to embrace are vile, disgusting, unnatural, and un-godly. I hope they repent and avoid the hellfires they are sure to face if they continue their hedonistic and satanic lifestyle.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:01 pm…fight the good fight for our children and grandchildren…
there won’t be any children if we’re bombed by our nuclear equipped enemies..but hey, that’s a backburner issue…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:01 pmOsama Bin Laden and the war on terror are the number one priority!!, Just ask George, and Dick and Standard Weakly.
Is she, this Republican, now saying that the Republicans have flip flopped and are now NOT worried National Security in a time of war?
An that she is more worried only about domestic politics and decades old wedge issues instead of thousands of American deaths in Iraq???
OMG, My Conservative party has gone completely bizarro Orwellian insane.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:04 pmAs a conservative I would have to say that she is wrong. The most important issue is not gay marriage. I am a supporter of gay marriage. But even if I wasn’t, the Constitution should not limit the individual but the government itself.
Comment by Kevin
As a Liberal Libertarian Humanist, I agree with this statement. The US Constitution should never be amended to take away individual freedoms.
To my fellow “lefties” out there, I highly recommend that you read John W. Dean’s two recent books Worse Than Watergate and Conservatives Without Conscience. You will learn not only what conservatism is really supposed to be about (and it’s not a philosophy we can entirely disagree with, at least if you’re on the Libertarian side, like me), but how the current crop of Republicans (especially in the Executive – or as Bush calls it, the Administrative – Branch) are not conservatives at all. They are some other ugly beast, but they are not conservatives. I have learned that it’s not entirely fair to bash all conservatives for what the ones in Washington are doing these days.
Having said that, I do believe it’s fair to bash conservatives and Republicans who support the President and his horrific power-grabbing agenda, because the President is not a conservative.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:05 pmAnd, by the way, gay marriage IS one of the most important issues we face today. Gay adoption should be also, although for some reason this crazy practice has been embraced and legalized in many locals. As if our children don’t face enough problems in contempory America, kids like those in Rosie O’Donnel’s brood have to deal with living in a parental environment where two bull dikes and/or butt-pirates are trying to explain the facts about human sexuality. Are you kidding me? I forsee many, many trips to the counselor and head-shrink for these kids. It is very sad.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:06 pmAs a Christian myself, I feel the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE WE FACE TODAY is to honor Christ’s teaching of tolerance to thy neighbor! Trust me, I’m more concerned about malnourished children living in poverty than if Neal and Bob (Ford Fairlane joke there) down the road want to “unionize” their love for each other.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:07 pmIt was a terrific interview. Boehner was officially crushed. Hopefully someone will post it online.
Comment by NewNameAcquired — September 27, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
You mean the same Boehner that tweety could “just see the greatness in this man”?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:09 pmShe sounds like a marionette. I wonder who’s pulling the strings…
I completely understand why these people are so against gays. These people have existed for centuries. They are the people who wanted blacks kept in chains, they are the people who wanted to keep women pregnant and ignorant, they are the people who want to nuke any enemies that come our way.
Domestically, us poor queers are the only ones they have left to fight, so they are giving it their all.
No matter how far we may progress these people will always exist, these destroyers of progress and humanity. I hope they find their maker someday, they have a lot to answer for.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:09 pmMethinks the lady doth protest too much.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:10 pmi’m on the side of my prog buddies on this one. anti-gay conservatives are embarassing. something in the declaration about all men are created equal. i’m curious (not about myself) but would this work as a compromise: make it legal for gays to marry, identical rights under the law, but call it gay union (not marriage) to appease conservatives.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:12 pmRepugnants are so incredibly predictable. We knew they’d try to parade inane issues like gay marriage & abortion before the people when it got down to the wire. The fact is that people don’t give a hoot about any of it when this war in Iraq is front and center – the deaths and maiming of so many of our young people – the astronomical cost of the war itself (11 million an hour?) – and the economic loss to this country for things like important infrastructure, health care, etc……get a life, Repugs! You’re so “pro life” that you can’t see the forest for the trees….How does your “pro life” philosophy handle the murder of innocent Iraqis? How does your “pro life” agenda justify sending our kids off to a war of choice? Perhaps you’re really “pro choice” since you condone a war of choice then?
What hypocrisy! Thank goodness most americans can see the vapid, mindlessness of these maniacal christofascists…..like Stepford Christians…..marching in lockstep with the Reichwing….Do they have no conscience or shame at all? Surely, they are wise enough to see the hypocrisy of their beliefs?? Reichwing Pro/Choice/Life Christofascists….RPCLC…..
September 27th, 2006 at 6:18 pmAnd, by the way, gay marriage IS one of the most important issues we face today. Gay adoption should be also, although for some reason this crazy practice has been embraced and legalized in many locals. As if our children don’t face enough problems in contempory America, kids like those in Rosie O’Donnel’s brood have to deal with living in a parental environment where two bull dikes and/or butt-pirates are trying to explain the facts about human sexuality. Are you kidding me? I forsee many, many trips to the counselor and head-shrink for these kids. It is very sad.
Comment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
Alright Mr. Real American.
I am supervising an intern who had two daddys, and she is heterosexual and married. She is also one of the more “together” people I have met. Not to mention an excellent intern.
I guess there’s always the exception huh?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:18 pmTheir time is limited and they know it. These old biddies and bastards will eventually die out and younger, more tolerant people will take over. They’ll always be idiots out there but eventually gay marriage will be legal, unless these morons ban it now.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:18 pmIncidentally, Chris Matthews skewered both Boehner (with sweat and snot dripping down his upper lip) and Katherine Harris quite handily a few minutes ago. Bravo Chris….you do have a spine!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:19 pmSchedule one for yourself. And for your kids too, if you’ve supressed your bathhouse urges enough to grudgingly procreate with your unsuspecting, but puzzled wife.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:19 pmAs an Athiest, I’m sick of hearing about what Jesus would do. Can’t people think for themselves? I mean Jesus’s brain was no different than anyone else’s. We all know right from wrong.
Just like animals don’t need Jesus telling them not to go around murdering or robbing liquor stores or coveting thy neighbors junk, we too know that to get along in a society we must be nice. Not that difficult. Doesn’t require assistance to figure out.
You don’t need a Jesus to run your brain. Just a bit of your own effort (a.k.a. self-esteem). After all, it’s the religious zealots who frequently do the most harm… and usually in Jesus’s name… Think about it (think being the operative word).
September 27th, 2006 at 6:19 pmReal American, do you think gays and lesbians are born with their sexuality or choose it?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:21 pm#69-
Im pretty confident that the people who will have to answer to the maker are all the poor souls who embrace the homosexual lifestyle, and do not repent. The Lord does not look kindly on mortal sins, you know?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmPaul # 71 – I think that would be a great idea, who gives a damn, just give it a different name and that’s it. But no one would ever go for it. The focus from conservatives would shift from “protecting conventional marriage” to “banning the legitimization of a homosexual relationship.” From the gays/libs, I think most would be okay as long as it would essentially be the same thing. But some are real gung-ho about revolutionizing the term marriage, which I’m not sure is such a good idea anymore.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmSo is the lifestyle chosen by most Republicans — unless you consider bigotry, hatred, endless war and trampling of the poor virtues.
Of course, I don’t see anyone trying to ammend the Constitution to stop that…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmI smell sulphur, Marilyn, is that you?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:22 pmThe Repukelican stand against gay marriage is quite understandable, from their point of view. It is not complicated at all and has nothing at all to do with religion except the religion of greed. It is a fair statement to say that most G&L are Democrats and most make a fair wage and most have fringe benefits at work including health insurance. Now suppose two people, one female and one male, work together and both make the same salary, both file separate returns, and both pay insurance premiums. If the two get married they then file a joint return with a considerable reduction in taxes and one claims the other as a dependent and their insurance premiums are reduced significantly. The Neocons want to deny the ability of G&L’s to pool resources for tax and insurance premium savings thereby denying that income to the Government and the Insurance Companies. The Neocons couldn’t care less if the G&L’s get married, they just want the G&L’s to pay the extra money. If marriage were the question then the Neocons should pass an amendment outlawing unmarried co-habitation. But that would strike to close to home so we can’t consider that.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:26 pmEveryone should be entitled to their beliefs.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:27 pmNOW it makes sense! Ms. Musgrave is one of the priviliged few who has managed a 0 rating on environmental votes in Congress (Along with her esteemed colleague Rep. Bob “Both Ways” Beauprez, running for Colorado Guv). She finds there is so little time to protect our water, air and earth but this Gay marriage stuff, now that is a whole other issue!
I am a Coloradoan, but NOT in her District, Thank Jesus!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:30 pmHere’s another idea. forbid gay marriage; if you can get a nationwide plurality. Require at least one recent documented homosexual encounter (to prove sufficient grasp of the issue) in order to vote.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:30 pmAs an Athiest, I’m sick of hearing about what Jesus would do. Can’t people think for themselves? I mean Jesus’s brain was no different than anyone else’s. We all know right from wrong.
-Unbelievable
That is an interesting comment. I ask you, how does one learn right from wrong? You liberals seem to forget that you need some sort of basis to establish right from wrong, otherwise you will never know the difference. Jesus, and other religions, give people that basis. It is no wonder you are morally bankraupt.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#85 – Everyone should be entitled to their beliefs.
If that’s the case, I believe I’ll have another beer. Thanks!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:36 pmEveryone should be entitled to their beliefs.
Comment by ForTruth — September 27, 2006 @ 6:27 pm
Until they become destructive to others, and really, look at what Bush’s beliefs have done to our country…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pm#79-
They definitely choose it. Show me a study that has isolated the “gay gene”. There is none. Natural homosexuality is an oxymoron, and goes against the theory of evolution. If, indeed, homosexuality was genetic, then it would passed from generation to generation through reproduction. Do you understand me? REPRODUCTION. Since homos have little to no interest in sexual reproduction, it is logical that the hypothetical gene would summarily fail to be passed, and would have died out long ago, if it existed. So, go sell the “gay gene” theory somewhere else. It is illogical, and couldn’t possibly exist.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pmMusgrave says Gay marriage is the most important issue?What’s wrong with that woman? An average of two troops a day dying in Iraq and we’ve spent 318 BILLION over there? With no end in sight? She’s an IDIOT!
September 27th, 2006 at 6:38 pmMusgrave needs some strong medication. She’s delusional. 318 Biilion spent in Iraq, almost 3000 dead and 20,000 wounded. Get the stright jacket for her.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:41 pmI think what Musgrave meant was “most important issue for distracting attention from issues that matter.”
Read “Master narratives: Conservatives.”
September 27th, 2006 at 6:42 pmComment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006
Homosexual behaviour is rampant in almost every mammalian species on the planet. I can’t think of anything more “natural” than “nature” as a guide. you can rail against it all you want but it is a “natural” part of every mammal, and human beings certainly qualify. Now you can personaaly find it distasteful, but what 2 people do in the privacy of their bedroom is their business, and the fact that people find it SO threatening says more about them than about homosexuals.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:43 pmOh really? Gay Marriage is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE to WHO? Maybe a handful of people, but NOT the majority. I guess she doesn’t have anything else to run on and hope she’s voted out.
I think our soldiers dying in Iraq, the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraq’s, and the BILLIONS of dollars we have spent on this immoral war is 10X more important that gay marriage.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:44 pm#88 – …I ask you, how does one learn right from wrong? You liberals seem to forget that you need some sort of basis to establish right from wrong, otherwise you will never know the difference. Jesus, and other religions, give people that basis. It is no wonder you are morally bankraupt.
OK. I’ll stop what I’m doing right now and do what the Bible commands me to do. This includes sleeping with my daughters, stoning adulterers (which will include Emperor Bush because he slept with Jeff Gannon), mass murder of children, avoid looking into the Ark of the Lord, murder anyone who looks the wrong way, and murder census takers.
Yes. These things I can do in the name of your Christofascist beliefs. It has been written! Therefore I can do them.
No wonder Christofascist Terrorists are morally bankrupt!!!
[from: http://www.religioustolerance.org/imm_bibl2.htm ]
September 27th, 2006 at 6:45 pmThat is an interesting comment. I ask you, how does one learn right from wrong?
How does a deer or a bird (because you’re not going to argue that they are immoral)? Mostly nature, and partly nurture.
Religion was a human creation built upon human ethics. The reason we know right from wrong is because we defined it. SImple.
You liberals seem to forget that you need some sort of basis to establish right from wrong, otherwise you will never know the difference.
Nonsense. Both China and Russia are largely atheistic countries. They are not immoral people.
In fact, 15% of Americans are not religious. Less than 1% of people in prison are not religion. You don’t need religion to tell you. You are born knowing.
Let me put it this way… Who taught you that your favorite food tastes good? No one. No one had to to or has to teach you other basics in life.
Jesus, and other religions, give people that basis. It is no wonder you are morally bankraupt.
Comment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
So that is what Hitler was doing – being a good Christian? He read the Bible and was a devout Catholic, yet he was responsible for the murder of millions, while I refuse to kill other animals to eat.
Yeah, that makes sense that a pacifist vegan who took a 75% cut in pay to become a teacher to address the growing high school drop out rate in the red state where I grew up is more morally bankrupt than Hitler. Like I said, you people do not use your brains. Thanks for the additional validation.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:46 pmThe study of animal sexuality is a rapidly developing field. It used to be believed that only humans and a handful of species performed sexual acts other than for procreation, and that animals sexuality was instinctive and a simple response to the “right” stimulation (sight, scent). Current understanding is that many species believed monogamous have now been proven to be promiscuous or opportunistic in nature, a wide range of species appear to both masturbate and to use objects as tools to help them do so, in many species animals try to give and get sexual stimulation with others where procreation is not the aim, and homosexual behavior has now been documented in over 450 species.
Can’t get more “natural” than that, huh?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:46 pmAssuming that you’re not a self-hating, closet case weirdo, why do you judge people so harshly who are different from you?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:48 pmActually, I’m guessing Marilyn jumped on the gay marriage issue at that family values confab cause she wants to get it on with Jerry Foulsmell and have more Karl Rove look-a-like babies…
September 27th, 2006 at 6:48 pmI’m sure getting weary of all these pale, overweight, blobbering losers………
Wait a minute.
You put “FULL TRANSCRIPT” then in the middle there is a [SNIP].
I know she’s stupid and the stupid culture wars are not the most important issue, but that’s what she was talking about. She said the culture wars are the biggest issue, not just one part of it, gay marriage.
What was in between talking about gay marriage and talking about the most important issue?
September 27th, 2006 at 6:49 pmShow me a study that has isolated the “gay geneâ€. There is none.
Comment by A+Real+American — September 27, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
Not that you have a clue about science, but it isn’t ‘Either there is a gay gene or they choose’. There’s a study that shows it is likely hormonal.
I have lived most of my adult life in Atlanta and San Francisco as an architectural designer. I’ve known a lot of gay people. They don’t choose. You might know this if you bothered to speak to people who aren’t mirror images of yourself.
Ignorance breeds hate… no wonder you’re so intolerant.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:51 pmThe future is grim?
Who’s future? The Republican’s?
Unbelievable! The future is grim for all bigots and bible-thumpers like Ms. Musgrave who’s digging her own grave like the rest of the neo-cons in congress.
Homosexually yours,
September 27th, 2006 at 7:02 pmWhile I’m not a fan of Mary Cheney, it’s not the Mary Cheney’s of the world we need to worry about. Someone needs to tell Congresswoman Musgrave, it’s the Dick Cheney’s of the world that’s the problem and why our future looks grim!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:02 pmI’ve begun to believe that the neocons who come here are masochistic…
September 27th, 2006 at 7:02 pmA+Real+American:
1) With regard to your earliest comments: have you read the Old and New Testaments in their original languages, not in their perverse English translations? Before you paraphrase the Lord, you might want to read the original text and study the words in the context of their sentences and passages. I think you’ll be surprised by some religious leaders’ bizarre interpretations of God’s message.
2) Re: Comment #91: Your claim that “Homos have little to no interest in sexual reproduction” holds no water. Not one drop! How do you explain gay men and women who desire intensely to carry and/or bear and/or raise children? They describe the same maternal and paternal instincts as heterosexuals. And how do you explain that nearly one quarter of all gay and lesbian couples across this country choose to raise children?
3) There exists no conclusive scientific evidence that gay parents are worse parents than heterosexual parents; in fact, studies — I’m talking about those that aren’t funded or conducted by the American Family Associaton! — show just the opposite. Here’s a great, peer-reviewed journal article to help you down the path of research: PEDIATRICS, Vol. 118, no. 1 (July 1996). Check out the references in the footnotes.
4) I’m guessing that you are anti-abortion. By logical extension, I assume that you would like to live in a society in which every child born is a planned child. Gay parenting is a wonderful way to achieve this goal because, by definition, gays and lesbian couples must make thoughtful and deliberate decisions when they want to start families. Want to curb abortions? Permit gay marriage and gay parenting!
Cheers.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmYes it is ’cause gay people explode and kill alot of inocent churchy people.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:06 pmYes it is ’cause gay people explode and kill inicent churchy people.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:07 pmReal American, i am an agnostic (atheist), and i don’t feel morally bankrupt. also, you’re the one refering to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as “bull dikes and/or butt-pirates” in post #66. keep it real.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:08 pmps, obviously, i meant civil union. and if your unwilling to compromise, why should conservatives want to compromise with you when they retain the house and senate in november?
Comment by paul — September 27, 2006 @ 7:01 pm
So that when there’s a Democratic president in 2008 and he uses BushCo’s rules to round up Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al and renders them to Syria to be tortured and then put on trial for war crimes and get executed, I don’t want to hear you whining about how a Democrat “can’t” do that.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmWOW!!!
Our most important issue of the day is banning gay marriage?
that almost doesn’t even dignify an answer.
how can two guys named Bob and Bruce living together in Greenwich village be a threat to the marriage of some closed minded retard in co?
how much you wanna bet that a lot of the talking heads trying to protect the institue of marriage are getting a little on the side or even better yet, are on their second or third marriage?
besides, it’s only a wedge issue, and an easy one for brain-dead members of congress to go on about.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:11 pm#91. Real American. when i was a kid i had a male beagle. great dog. one day the neighbor dog came over and tried to mount him. good thing i was there, cause that dog was bigger than my dog. did the big dog choose homosexuality? if he did, will he be refused at the doggie pearly gates.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:13 pmYou have to wonder why they’re so stirred up. I mean, if God is as powerful as they like to think he is, why are they so worried?
And here’s my guess….they think they’ll be punished for not stopping it. They are scared to death of their God.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:16 pmGod loves gays and lesbians just like God loves everyone else. Sexual ethics are a problem for people of all orientations. It’s not the orientation, it’s the exploitation.
Musgrave and her ilk know little of the Bible (3000 mentions of poverty and justice, 3 of homosexuality), little of Protestant theology (grace trumps law, nothing separate us from the love of Christ), little of what is going on in most Christian churches in the US (the left is growing fast, the right is shrinking, peaked a while ago), and to my ears, little of the Holy Spirit’s character and will for humanity.
Don’t let people like her confuse the issue. Americans don’t want hatred as a form of government. They raise a lot of dough, and they make a lot of noise, but they will never win. Focus on what both the left and those who claim to follow Jesus should DO: alternative institution and business creation, grassroots advocacy and intervention for poor and disenfranchised people.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:19 pmCultural war? Battle?
Why do the American people seem to vote for extremists these days? This elected representative of The People hates The People. She is calling for a war against the state’s own people.
There are gay and transgendered people in every family, or were in their past and will be in their future. Get over it.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:20 pmI’m a happily married heterosexual female. Because I am secure in my marriage and my husband and myself are reasonable, responsible people I don’t feel at all threatened by homosexual couples. What property rights will I lose? Do I worry that a gay man will “take” my husband from me? Where are the threats from gay people to my marriage? I do remember watching an older gay man dying alone in ICU at the hospital I worked at. Why??? Because only family members are allowed in ICU and his partner of more than 15 years was not “immediate” family. But the immediate family didn’t want to associate with him because he had been living in an openly gay relationship. Hate is still hate no matter how you wrap your argument in it. And if you want to think in only black and white terms as so many Republicans do these days, then hate is evil, love is good.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pmMighty Aprodite, Exley, Beefeater, Limbaugh, Falafel O’Reilly
can now join the Army or send their kids to fight!
I bet those Bush-o-cons will be lined up around the block to join and/or send little Johnny off to war!
Why is this lady worried about dead-end wedge issues? Why isn’t she asking her friends and relatives to join the Army?
September 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pmWhoever is the opponent of this moron should run this video in their campaign commercials relentlessly. Gay marriage the most important issue in the country?? BWHAHAHA!!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:26 pmThe most important issue that we face today is the rise of fascism in this country, typified by, represented by, illustrated by people who attack other people for not being exactly like them and not LYING about it. What is the solution lady? What constitutes “winning” a cultural “war” in your own country, and who authorized you to conduct “war” on your own countrymen? Want all the gays in the country to commit suicide on your front porch? Would that make you happy? What ever happend to loving your neighbor? Where does all this hatred come from? OR is it a propensity to court power and attention at anyone else’s expense? Maybe you can inspire a few extra votes from those firey words that serve no human or god but yourself.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:27 pm“The people in Colorado…” believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman? Musgrave only represents one district, the 4th District, which is basically an extension of Kansas and Nebraska — all flat and mostly conservative. Colorado has 7 districts. She doesn’t represent all of Colorado and she has no right to speak as though she does. She should stick to representing those who voted for her. That’s her job.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:30 pmHere is a study on the pedophile Repiglican mindset ARA;
September 27th, 2006 at 7:32 pmhttp://www.gatago.com/alt/non/racism/23174032.html
I went to write her a note on her website about how gay marriage isn’t the most important issue.
You have to select from a list of important issues that identifies what the subject of your note will be.
Gay marriage isn’t an option.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:32 pmI think republican pedophelia is more important than consenting adults,,,
September 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pmIf, indeed, homosexuality was genetic, then it would passed from generation to generation through reproduction. Do you understand me? REPRODUCTION.
Indeed homosexuality is genetic and IS in fact passed on from generation to generation through reproduction. The reality is that NOT every homosexual feels comfortable “coming out” because of people like Ms. Musgrave and all the conservative backward thinkers in this country and this government. They live a miserable heterosexual married life because of REPRESSION.They then become sexually perversed and obssessed because of REPRESSION!! Look at most republicans and their history of sexual misconduct… REPRESSION!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:38 pmDo you understand me?
Hey G-Dawg did you see my list I posted of moral Republicans?
Yeh, that’s what I thought too, these folks are way worse than Clinton ever thought about being.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:41 pmA+Real+American
If you don’t believe what bones in #100 about homsexuality documented in 450 species, you should read this article:
September 27th, 2006 at 7:42 pmThis speaker is a righteous woman who is doing what the Bible commands us to do: “Cry Loud and Spare Not!” God bless her for her bold stand against the rotten and filthy attempt of indecent trash to wreck this God fearing Nation. Keep the Faith, Baby.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:46 pmYeh she denies her own party the attention they deserve huh??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They live a miserable heterosexual married life because of REPRESSION.They then become sexually perversed and obssessed because of REPRESSION!! –Marley
Do tell!!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:50 pmYeh Baby Yeh! Go after those nasty immoral pedophile Republicans and hypocrites!!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
#130….Hey plainwain, why do you use bold throughout your post? It just draws more attention to the fact that you are a raving lunatic!
September 27th, 2006 at 7:53 pmPeople like her should have never been born.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:54 pmLets get Virulent on them corrupt and pedophilic immoral political republicans!! Yeh baby let the Lord bring his sword upon them!
Let their be psychological evaluations of Congress and Senate!!
heh.
September 27th, 2006 at 7:54 pmI can’t imagine any sane person would even listen to this bitch let alone, marry her. Unfortunately we have a clone of Musgrave in Minnesota – her name is Michelle Bachman. Any chance they are related?
September 27th, 2006 at 7:58 pmThe war on terror, our national security, the war in Iraq, the national debt, the economy, our trade deficit, escalating health care costs, exporting jobs to other countries, global warming, education, and immigration reform are not the most important things facing Americans today?
September 27th, 2006 at 8:02 pmTHIS WOMAN IS OBSCENE !
She must be related to Michelle Bachman – same beliefs as the bitch we’re dealing with in Minnesota.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:02 pm#68 – Joefriday:
Yes… the same one!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:06 pmMy #5 Challenge still unanswered. I also have a few comments, as a psychologist, who has counseled many children and adults, both heterosexual and homosexual.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:07 pm1. No homosexual chose his/her sexual orientation, anymore than heterosexuals choose theirs. They do choose their lifestyle, some more harmful than others, just like heterosexuals.
2. I have never seen a child harmed by having homosexual parents but I certainly have seen ones hurt by heterosexual ones, including sexually harmed. I do understand, BTW, that there would be a difference just on the basis of there being fewer homosexual parents. But I saw NONE.
3. There are many conditions and traits which have a genetic base for which we cannot identify a specific gene. It is, in fact, unlikely that single genes are less important than combinations of genes.
4. There have been studies of genetic and hormonal factors that are suggested as conditions which help cause a homosexual orientation.
5. Research has demonstrated that homosexuals are no more mentally ill as a group or dysfunctional socially than are heterosexuals.
6. Finally, who cares? Why should homosexuals’ “pursuit of happiness”, rights of assembly, and equal protection under the law be denied only because of a religious litmus test?
Maybe plainwain needs to find his/her post in bold to re-read his/herself later
Lets get Virulent on them corrupt and pedophilic immoral political republicans!! Yeh baby let the Lord bring his sword upon them!
Let their be psychological evaluations of Congress and Senate!!
heh. Comment by Sovereing
The whole congress process needs to be re-evaluated.
Subjecting each member of congress to a psychological evaluation would eliminate all Republicans! Good riddance. Clean house!
If we have to pass such tests to be hired or promoted to senior corporate executive positions why can’t they?
September 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnother neocon douchebag…goes to show where their priorities are in this do-nothing Congress.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:16 pmCanada allows gay marriage and I haven’t noticed their culture collapsing.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pm(In fact, they have universal health care, don’t they?)
Jeez I’m late posting–sorry, just got home from work.
#17 What an embarassment. No wonder the rest of the country sees Colorado as a backwards-ass red state. Comment by donnatella
May I add Colorado’s strange occurrences of school shooters, women-draggers and just plain confused folks (why I moved away).
Coincidence?
September 27th, 2006 at 8:25 pmShe is more offensive than tubgirl.
http://halflife2.zoy.org/images/tubgirl.jpg
September 27th, 2006 at 8:26 pmHow can you have a culture decent war with people utterly lacking in culture? This beeatch doesn’t want gays to marry – that’s the main issue of out TIMES – but I bet she’s all for torturing. That’s a family value.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:34 pm“…the most important issue we face…” ??? WTF??? She can’t be serious. I have yet to have one person succintly explain why gay marriage is such a grave threat. Can anyone help me out here. Why is this such a threat… a threat to what? To whom??? I just don’t get it. I’m pretty sure my wife and I would be unaffected by gay marriage.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:34 pmI meant “decent culture war” – drat this lysdexia!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:37 pm[quote]My #5 Challenge still unanswered(………)[/quote]
“No homosexual chose his/her sexual orientation(…)”
There is no scientific proof for that. which basically means the subject remains subjective, at least for non-believers.
You mention the things you haven’t seen on homosexuals, I’ll tell you the things I’ve seen. I’ve seen a large percentage of homosexuals come from grim pasts, either sexually abused as a child or with some other trauma. That kind of scenario is tough for anyone, and they deserve all the help we can give them. But I’d say such traumatic past is more of an indication of their sexual orientation than science.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:37 pmCaption Contest:
“Oh my… thank you Ms. Bush, you’re makin’ me blush… I already made plans with my husband tonight. But I am free tomorrow night…”
September 27th, 2006 at 8:38 pmAren’t she and Anne Coulter lovers? or is that just a nasty rumour I made up for everyone to spread. Or are they just ‘involved with Rumsfeld and Cheney.
I live in Ontario, Canada. Any unrelated humans over age 16 can marry here. After the initial squall by the “God will get you” people, which lasted about a week, nobody made a fuss, really. People get married, and it’s equally boring to strangers whether they are of the same or different sexes. And banning same-sex marriage isn’t going to make gay people rush off and marry people of the opposite sex, or convert them to straighthood.
I fully suspect that many of the opponents are closet cases, or professional bigots. It’s just seen as uncouth to badmouth people of colour, or Jews, or Muslims. Publicly, anyway. Just marginalize the heck out of people you don’t like. That’s the American Way, according to the Musgraves of this world.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:44 pmGood Lord, Musgrave looks like something out of Night of the Living Dead with pancake makeup. It seems like all of that hateful venom has gone directly to the baggy, saggy extremity that on human beings is called a face.
Love heals, Marilyn. Try the cure.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:45 pm#145. Dan!!!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:45 pmPlease give a warning before you post such horrors around dinner time.
miguel d
September 27th, 2006 at 8:46 pmI have worked with sex abuse victims. The percentage of children who are victimized is incredibly high, so of course many homosexual children would be victims and most of these children are traumatized. I have also worked with sex offenders. Sex offenders choose vulnerable victims – by age, cognitive level, emotional needs. With our culture’s negativity toward homosexuality (kids start talking about “queers” pretty early), is it any wonder that children discovering their homosexual attractions might be insecure and vulnerable? Thus, the trauma is a result, not a cause.
Just wait until November……. You and yours are outta here!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:50 pmI’ve seen a large percentage of homosexuals come from grim pasts, either sexually abused as a child or with some other trauma. Comment by miguel d
Miguel I’ve seen a large percentage of heterosexuals come from grim pasts, either sexually abused as a child or with some other trauma. So I’m unsure what that proves.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:52 pmWhere does trash like this freak of nature get created?
To think, if this fat Musgrave had a different set of parents, she would not be so ugly!
September 27th, 2006 at 8:57 pmCLEARLY, the problem is Men Having Penises.
Well, not more than one, we hope — or is that what the gay-marriagers are PLANNING NEXT?
MHP is THE most important issue in front of us today. Well, behind us, if some have their way.
I Thank God (in whom I do not believe) that my SKIRT does not have what gay seamstresses call a ‘vent’ in the rear. That would only lead to temptation, and as we all know, NO MAN has been allowed to ‘tempt’ Rep. Musgrave in thirty years or more.
She wears pants, but it does not hide her DAILY USE of her rear organ.
We MUST ban Rep. Musgrave before she spreads MHP to MALE CHILDREN she comes into contact with. She’s a threat — and we must take threats seriously before they become laughing matters.
Even though Americans think we are APESHIT CRAZY, we must stand together — but our rear vents MUST NOT point in the same direction when we do.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:57 pmAfter scanning 150+ comments I have 2 things to say:
1. Musgrave does NOT say that ‘Gay Marriage Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’. Did anyone read the transcript provided?
2. The childishness of most of the comments is absurd. Where are the
September 27th, 2006 at 9:03 pmpeople who can express their opinion like an adult?
The christian reich is the true social terrorist group.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:04 pmListening to this claim, yet again from another fearful conservative, I have to ask, do you people really what this kind of facist, ultra-conservative in a position of leadership? What possibly could my gay marriage harm, other than a short court date in divorce court, in your fearful little life.
Please people, vote in a more educted, less fearful people into office.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:05 pm“Let’s get the facts straight here, people. Jesus would never hate or want to destroy fags and lezbos. It is not his style. “Love the sinner, hate the sin†is what I believe to be Jesus’ stance toward homos. We must all pray for the souls of these tormented people.”
I know lots of “gays and lezbos” and guess what? They aren’t “tormented” — except by the likes of backward assclowns like you.
FYI, they’re parents, couples, Ph.D’s working to get access to health care for poor people, etc. When my friend Marlowe was in the hospital, there was a gay couple there — two really, really old men who’d been together all their lives. One guy was nursing the other guy who was in the end stages of cancer. I have rarely seen such love between two people. Oh, were they gay? Oh yeah…I guess they were. But, who sits around worrying about how other people get pleasure? If they’re consenting adults, what’s it to you?
Furthermore, a religious ceremony doesn’t belong in public life. Marriage is a legal, state-certified arrangement between people. As long as those people are consenting adults, who’s to say what kind of consenting adults they should be?
If gay people don’t get all the rights straight people do, well, then why should they pay 100% of their taxes? They should get a second-class citizen tax break, and pay, say, 50% of their taxes. Fair is fair. Or, rather, unfairness should be fairly compensated, huh?
September 27th, 2006 at 9:08 pm#68 – Joefriday:
Yes… the same one!
Comment by NewNameAcquired — September 27, 2006 @ 8:06 pm
September 27th, 2006 at 9:15 pmSweet jeebus what a great day! Thought I was the only one on to that. Caption contest–No! it’s next week we attack the sluts then non missionary “you know what”.
I bet Musgrave is missionary position only.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:15 pmShe must be gay if she’s that against people, she must be hiding something. Come out Lady its okay! to be gay!
September 27th, 2006 at 9:16 pm“1. Musgrave does NOT say that ‘Gay Marriage Is The Most Important Issue That We Face Today’. ==Sane Independent”
Amd you do NOT tell the truth:
“This battle is the most important issue that we face today, and what an honor it has been to serve in the United States Congress and carry the Marriage Amendment.”
Only a LOON would think that gay marriage is the most important issue facing us today. She’s batshit crazy, and you, “sane” “independent” are NEITHER.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:22 pmIn the beginning Man created God. Now that man has evolved into a more intelligent (in some cases) species there is not the pressing need for a scapegoat named “God.” Those that have not recognized that their God is, in reality, a figment of their collective imagination cannot accept nonacceptance of their misconceptions. The answer is the current edition of the Golden Rule: Do unto yourself and leave others alone.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:30 pmAnyone living in Colorado needs to contact this *itch and tell her what a disgrace to the government that she is.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:30 pmMusgrave is probably a self-loathing lesbian.
Those who scream the loudest … as they say!
September 27th, 2006 at 9:36 pmYeah, every time I’m walking down the street, if I see two guys holding hands, I think, “Osama has won.” And then I wonder, “Maybe I should get me a boyfriend.” Er, no I don’t.
Hard to make out just what they’re scared about, especially since if they’re not yapping about gays being monogamous, they’re screaming about them being promiscuous.
I just read today somewhere that the divorce rate has come down, a bit, but it’s all accounted for by the fact that the marriage rate is falling. If you split up from a significant other, it’s not a statistical divorce.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:51 pmi wonder what she gains by outlawing gay marriage in teh long run. does it make her own marriage more valuable ?
September 27th, 2006 at 9:51 pmWith everything that is going on in the world today, why on earth does this issue continue to even BE an issue?!?!?!!?? It is THE most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of in my life! People like Musgrave are idiots! Gay-obsessed cretins! And I absolutely agree with FunMe, she is most likely nothing more than a closet case herself! It’s a NON-issue, people! Wake the f*** up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here’s a question. How in the hell will passing the Marriage Amendment save lives in Iraq and Afghanistan??!?!?!?
September 27th, 2006 at 9:53 pmColorado residents should be embarrassed to have such an idiot represent them in Washington. How can an human being consider gay marriage to be an important issue considering the high rate of str8 marriage divorce, domestic violence, child abuse by parents, poverty impacting children, the lack of mental health services, and the poor health care system in the U.S. In addition, billions of dollars are spent on wars and in effective preparedness for disasters. So, Ms. Musgrave, why don’t you keep your ugly mouth shut until you learn about the primary concerns of the United States.
September 27th, 2006 at 9:54 pmOn her, the blonde goes clear to the bone. If her ‘amendment’ was so bloody important, the Republicans having control of all the branches of the government should have made passing it a breeze. But that did not happen. And if she couldn’t get it done, when she had every advantage on her side, giving her another term in office to fail again would be pretty stupid. But then, making bigotry legal is also a pretty stupid idea. How about a Constitutional amendment that would bar Bigots, especially the ‘religious’ types, from running for any office in America, local, State, or Federal. That would solve an awful lot of problems right there. Geez, is there ANYTHING that ‘those’ people AREN’T afraid of? And it wasn’t ‘Gay Marriage’ that caused Newt Gingrich to divorce his first and second wives, one in a notoriously cruel fashion, so he could move on to number 3. And Rudy Giuliani paraded his mistress all over the place, including in front of his wife and children, but it wasn’t due to ‘Gay Marriage’ either. Perhaps they just want somewhere else to place the blame. I wouldn’t put it past them. Republicans just love those ’scapegoats’!!
September 27th, 2006 at 10:00 pmIm glad there’s nothing important going on anywhere in America!
September 27th, 2006 at 10:12 pmShut-up you asshat.
Not Torturing, a diminishing middle class, a war on terror, a vanishing middle class… and you bloody think what two loving people getting married is ‘our most important issue’?
Bloody hell.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:14 pmduh.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:20 pmAccording to Republicans, if they pass the anti-gay Marriage Amendment then God will restore his magic veil over America, the bombing in Iraq will stop, the Sunnis and the Shiites will start dancing cheek-to-cheek, Al Qaeda will suddenly disappear, the deficit will magically go from 8 1/2 trillion to zero, divorce will end, and everyone will live happily ever after. See how wonderful the world would be if you deny gays the right to marry? And that is why gay marriage “is the most important issue that we face today.” The End.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:22 pmI’d like to bitch-slap her to wipe that smirk off her face.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:23 pmShe’s got to be kidding. This is satire, right?
September 27th, 2006 at 10:27 pmHey, kids, I give up. I tried to fight the good fight on this issue yesterday and earlier today. Just too damn exhausted to go through it again.
I will, though, leave you with this thought. The gay rights and equal marriage rights battle is the civil rights battle of the 21st Century. My folks were heavily involved in the civil rights/open housing/school desegregation movement in the 1960’s and 1970’s, and you know what? They left the world a much better place than they found it. Their legacy is that my kids get to live in a diverse community with friends of every conceivable background … and to my kids, that’s totally normal. Every day I thank God for my parents’ hard work and sacrifice and for the righteous stand they took when it was unpopular – even, at times, downright dangerous – to do so.
So, let me ask you this: What will our generation’s legacy be? Will we fight the battle for gay rights and equal marriage rights the way my parents fought for racial equality? Or will we be the first generation of Americans who shirks that kind of responsibility; who has the opportunity to make the world a better place but just slinks away because it’s too hard, too unpopular, too … I don’t know … uncomfortable to do the right thing?
I don’t know about you, but I hope someday my kids will look back on the progress our country has made on gay rights and be grateful their old man was on the right side.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:29 pmFunny. In her Rocky Mountain News Web Extra Election Profile, the marriage issue doesn’t even make the top 4:
I guess this is another case of dancin’ with them that brung ya.
I hope Paccione can take CO-4 from her
September 27th, 2006 at 10:32 pmThis woman is a homophobic idiot…if she thinks for one minute that “gay marriage” is an important issue to the 2006 voters…SHE SHOULD BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE…I URGE EVERY TRUE PATRIOTIC VOTER IN COLORODO TO VOTE THIS BLEACH BLOND BIMBO OUT OF OFFICE.
She obviously does not have a grasp on real issues facing Americans and she should not be able to use hate as a tool to get her sorry butt elected.
THE RACE FOR THIS SEAT IS CLOSE….Send a message to HATERS like her and VOTE HER OUT!
September 27th, 2006 at 10:42 pm#181….thank you for your post. Civil rights, not an anti-gay amendment, is the most important issue we face today. The last thing we need is a Constitutional admendment outlawing equal rights to a segment of tax-paying, law-abiding American citizens. We would cease to exist as the America envisioned by Thomas Jefferson. Thank you for raising your children right.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:44 pmPoliticians like her are the most important issue we face today.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:15 pmRepublicans+Are+The+Fear+And+Smear+Party, though America will be a better place once the anti-gay marriage bill is passed. Thank you Jesus. I know this is part of your divine plan.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:29 pmLet’s get the constitutional ban on queer marriage passed and move on with our lives.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:30 pmLet’s get the constitutional ban on queer marriage passed and move on with our lives.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:31 pm#88 A Real Hosehead
That is an interesting comment. I ask you, how does one learn right from wrong? You liberals seem to forget that you need some sort of basis to establish right from wrong, otherwise you will never know the difference. Jesus, and other religions, give people that basis. It is no wonder you are morally bankraupt.
So, if you had never heard about the 5th commandment, you wouldn’t know there was something wrong with just walking up to someone and putting a bullet in his head? There’s a word for people like that: psychopath. Most people learned empathy and a basic sense of right and wrong from their parents and the people around them. Not from religion.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:31 pmLet’s get the constitutional ban on gay marriage passed and move on with our lives.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:31 pmFar-right Republicans are against Gay marriage, but they do believe in hiring male prostitutes, like Jeff Gannon, for sex! They think it’s OK to pay for loveless sex, so they want Gays to be promiscuous, and sell themselves to GOP members!
September 27th, 2006 at 11:32 pmRegardless of your gay right leaning…my boss knows this lady personally and he says she’s the biggest liar and scumbag he’s ever met.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:32 pmDaryll, you are silly. You have to be making this stuff up. You sound like a bad imitation of a bible-thumping little old lady. I think you are a fake.
September 27th, 2006 at 11:39 pm# 181. #184.
After such posts, David Von Ebers and RaTFaSP, I raise my hands openly towards the sky in praise. I am a gay, living in one of the most gay-friendly cities in the country and believe it or not… I just settled on a discrimination defense against my landlord who scammed her way into pushing us out of our lease, making my daughter and I believe she was “selling the house”. I caught her homophobic remarks on video. Civil rights is one of the most important issue we face today, indeed. The wars abroad are man made. Segregation has been taught. By whom? The very ones who falsely claim they are here to protect us.
Civil rights are the protections and privileges of personal liberty given to all citizens by law. Not an elected fraud.
Freedom of expression is one of the most important value we should hold onto and pass on to our children. Not hate.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:07 amIf this woman thinks that gay marriage is the biggest problem facing America today, she is an idiot. I doubt that someone whose job has been shipped overseas and has no job prospects, or someone living in abject poverty, or someone deployed to Iraq, or someone with a terminal illness that might only be cured through stem cell research, or someone that can’t afford college, or someone that just lost their entire pension due to Enron, or an airline bankruptcy, and so on and on and on would consider gay marriage the end all problem of our time. These people do no understand the role of government, what Christianity or other faiths are about, or the most fundamental clue of what respect for one another entails. They have little minds, no vision and an undeveloped concept of what is good and true.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:24 amIn the words of Jay Leno, they must have caught Bin Laden.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:35 amSo you think Colorado is a “Dumb- ass Red state”? Are you still going to say that when we dump this embarassment? Colorado is changing Red to Blue this November. Know any other states where that is happening? Are we still dumb asses?
September 28th, 2006 at 12:40 amOK, this is pretty sad to come up as a hot button election topic. i wrote a documentary that i have yet to film which i feel would help further the same-sex marriage movement. i just don’t know where to look to find the right kind of sponsorship to make it happen. hopefully soon.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:42 amGay marriage is about as important as if a majority of the people were swallowing toothpaste. Let them die, they are stupid. Who really cares??……..
September 28th, 2006 at 12:42 amMy bot bellied pig got an erection duriing the bitch’s speech….
September 28th, 2006 at 12:51 amThis woman is an ignorant cow, and I hope the people of Colorado vote her out. What an embarassment…
September 28th, 2006 at 12:53 am[...] As in 1994, the public is once again in a furor over Presidential misconduct. Add to that outrageous gas prices (that have “miraculously” nose-dived in recent weeks), incompetence in Iraq and the failed pursuit of Osama bin Laden… Republicans are in disarray, bickering amongst themselves over the Presidents’ support of torture, Constitutional violations, and a “culture of corruption” that has seen the indictments and imprisonment of several high profile Republicans, both politicians and lobbyists alike. And the issues they DO agree on are more of the same racist homophobic nonsense that barely register a blip on most American’s radar. [...]
September 28th, 2006 at 1:33 amChristian my ass! None of these hypocritical haters is in any way Christian. They are all the spawn of Satan and want to poison us with their bullshit.
Who the F##k are these jackasses to tell anyone what to do with their love life, or their bodies?
I used to be tolerant of religion, now I see these delusional white trash mother f—-rs for what they are – power-crazed egomaniacs. F##k every mentally disturbed one of them.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE EVIL. PERIOD.
George Carlin: “Religion is mental illness.” Amen, brother!
September 28th, 2006 at 1:48 amHere’s what you ask her:
September 28th, 2006 at 1:59 am“Marilyn, you believe that homosexuality is a sin. Is not believing in God a sin?. You say go by the Bible and the Ten Commandments. If you win your ‘culture war’, will not being a Christian be a crime? Will people who don’t believe in Jesus Christ be allowed to hold public office? To write for newspapers? To own property?”
These “Christian” morons are anti-freedom, and anti-American. You know god damned well if this country did not have laws preventing them from killing gays, they sure a shit would be murdering them right and left.
The “religious” whack-jobs have been retarded since the begining of time, sticking their f#@king noses in everyones sex life, and uterus and they will never stop until we stop them.
They are worse than the Taliban. They need to learn to mind their own god damned business, and worry about what actually concerns them. They may not like gays having equal rights, but that’s just too f#@king bad.
Where is their “faith”. Dont’ they believe God will punish gays? Of course not, that’s why THEY what to punish them now.
Why do these scumwads run to the doctor when they get a deadly illness… don’t they know God is calling them to sit by His throne? BECAUSE THEY HAVE ZERO FAITH, AND UNLIMITED HATE AND EGOS! What demented MF’s
September 28th, 2006 at 2:03 amThank you! You got that right – and it’s a great quote to hammer the regressed-(or failed to evolve properly)-fascists with, i.e. the Family Values crowd.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:35 am“WHO SAID THE FOLLOWING?
Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past … (few) years.
[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
RAPE-PUBLIC-CANS = Fake Americans
Comment by Your+Conscience — September 27, 2006 @ 5:14 pm”
Thank you! A great quote to hammer the regressed, or failed-to-evolve, fascist “Family Values” crowd.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:38 amWhy do you hate our freedoms, Ms. Musgrave?
Wait, let me rephrase…
Why do you hate our freedoms, you worthless bitch?
September 28th, 2006 at 2:42 am#166 Paul in LA:
Read the transcript, she says the cultural war is the most important
issue. Not only do you not read the transcript, you then prove my 2nd point about childish responses.
Again I ask, where are the people who can express their opinion like an
adult?
OBTW, I AM an independent, and I did not vote for Bush.
September 28th, 2006 at 3:43 amSane Independent… WRONG!
The stupid bigot bitch said this was:
This BATTLE is the most important issue that we face today…. in the culture WAR.
And I am so happy that she is worrying about my “children and grandchildren”…..
Where the hell was that concern for the children and grandchildren Bush and his fellow Reptiles sent to get killed in Iraq?
Where the hell is the concern for the children and grandchildren of Iraqis?
Numbers don’t lie… Bush and his team of Reptiles are by far the worlds most dangerous terrorists, by more than a 10 to 1 margin.
Eat your heart out Osama…
September 28th, 2006 at 4:00 am““Read the transcript, she says the cultural war is the most important
issue. Not only do you not read the transcript, you then prove my 2nd point about childish responses. Comment by Sane Independentâ€
That means the same thing. It means that Terri Schiavo, and prayer in schools, and bombing abortion clinics, and blocking reproductive freedom, and forcing Christian symbols and teachings into public schools, and repressing nonconformist sexual identity and activity — ARE —- the most important issue before us.
That’s BATSHIT CRAZY, like I said.
And you are clearly breathing those same fumes.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:23 amRepublicans sure love to use the word “war”. If gays are incapable of joining the US army because of their so-described ‘military incompetence’, how are they capable of launching this cultural-guerilla-warfare against these self-proclaimed ‘normal’ people that seem to have nothing better to do but to complain about everyone else’s behaviour and have never heard the phrase “mind your own business”? I too think being gay is not exactly ‘natural’ but I’m not going to hamper them in living the way they want to live…. Live and let live, no? Left against right, gay against straight, republican against democrat, black against white, old against young, rich against poor, …. Can there ever be enough to fight for? Justice and equality is ALL that matters and fighting won’t do it any good. Try working for it? Instead of working for your own selfish self? Thank you, come again.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:26 amEMERGENCY. HELP. AGONY. PLEASE END IT NOW!
Two guys in England got married and now look what has happened. My President attacked Iraq and my country is now mired in a hopeless civil war. The artic is melting. The home real esatate market bubble is bursting. Terrorism is at an all time high. My husband is cranky. My mother has dementia. My friend has cancer and her insurance won’t cover the treatment she needs to save her life.
MAKE IT STOP! OUTLAW GAYS.
September 28th, 2006 at 7:50 amRE: #17 ref. to Colorado “redneck state” and #53 angry rebuttal pointing out that Musgrave is from a district in the Kansas/Nebraska corner of the state and therefore not representative of real non-redneck CO….I ask: If not a reichwing/redneck/christonazi state, how to explain the extreme racist, xenophobic brayings of the Congressman Tancredo from District Six in CENTRAL COlorado who engages in daily diatribes against immigrants (forgetting his grandpa got off the boat from Sicily not too long ago without the benefit of a Visa)…And what about all those religious fanatics full of hate down in Colorado Springs? Is that close to redneck Kansas also? ANd as far as not going skiing there…not to worry, there is nothing dumber (excect perhaps golf).
September 28th, 2006 at 8:21 amShe must be one of those women that fell for a gay guy and couldn’t believe it when he didn’t want her.
September 28th, 2006 at 8:22 amThis is another instance of the Right attempting to set the national agenda when it comes to religion and private sexual behavior. For a more progressive view on this debate, read the discussion underway on Rev. Debra Haffner’s blog (www.debrahaffner.blogspot.com).
September 28th, 2006 at 8:51 amFor anybody in CO, might I make one suggestion? Lose this lady. We got a lot of problems in this country and gay marraige ain’t one of them.
September 28th, 2006 at 9:04 amYou all need to watch Jesus Camp (the movie). Maybe you can be educated through the actions of these kids, and get rid of your horrible ways. I would recommend sending some of your kids to this camp. Jesus loves all of you.
September 28th, 2006 at 9:13 am#219 – “Jesus loves all of you.”
So speaks a man who cherry-picks the portions of the Bible he wishes to believe and competely ignores other parts of the Bible that point towards him going straight to hell.
Don’t worry, Daryll! If I’m “going to hell”, I’ll look you up when you get there!
September 28th, 2006 at 9:37 amComment to #61 – Please give us examples of the facts that gay people who adopt are raising children who will have mental problems. I can give you thousands of examples of heterosexual people (including families) who have raised children who have countless stories of abuse, both mental and
September 28th, 2006 at 9:52 amphysical. I personally know gay couples who have given their adopted children nothing but love and caring. Add to this, tolerance and compassion. In fact, one of these couples adopted an abused child taken from a heterosexual family who was violent, destructive, and a real problem. The foster family could do nothing with her. After their years of
patience, guidance, and understanding, she is flourishing. This family goes to my church and I am proud to call them my friends.
Sorry about my previous comment being labeled #61. It is #65.
September 28th, 2006 at 9:59 am#222 – Shelea, Unlike the ultra-rabid right-whiners, we here at TP can forgive someone a mistake.
By the way, good for you to not be snookered by the anti-gay rantings of the so-called “religious” posters.
These sad people represent a vanishing minority of people who pick & chose very specific portions of the Bible with which they cling to in order to justify their hatred.
If they considered the Bible in total, they’d realize how wrong they are to take less than 0.01% of the and consider it to be more important than the other 99.99%.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:19 amAn oldie, but a goodie:
Dear Friend,
Thanks very much for reminding me that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination. I would like some further advice, however, regarding some other laws and how to best follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as suggested in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus (Ex 35:2) clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, and if so, how should I do that?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or are correctable defects in vision excluded from the aforementioned proscription.?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm on which he violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field. His wife likewise violates Leviticus by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (a cotton/polyester blend). Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Leviticus 24:10-16). Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Leviticus 20:14)?
Thanks very much for your help, and thanks again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:12 pmWe gays know that gay-dom isn’t genetic. It’s a potion. We douse the food of the people we want in the “family” with the Blue Bottle of Love. Then we just sit back and let them come to us. Takes a couple of months, sometimes a year or two. But they show up. So last time we did this enmasse was last month when we took thousands of bottles to the Baptist bible schools all over the south and served them cookies and kool aid.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:34 pmWe’re looking forward to meeting many new members at the Pride Parade this weekend. :) There’s a special section for them in the Parade, Baptists on the Blue Bottle. We love our new members. :)
What’s sad is that the gay issue distracts people from other issues, like poverty, union support, etc, and democrats make it their prime issue, like what kerry did. Kerry was just a bush lite anyways. THis makes me want to vote republican ironically……..
September 28th, 2006 at 12:53 pmYes, think of the children.. the GAY children.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:03 pm“Gay people should just shut up and get back in the closet were they belong.”
And morons like G-dawg should unplug their computers and leave the internet to intelligent people.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:14 pm226 Solitaire
September 28th, 2006 at 1:18 pmThat was precious!
Where do all these “haters” get their hate?
September 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pmPerhaps from the Pope – who was a Nazi-Hitler Youth?
I have traveled the globe extensively as I am one of those “rich gay guys” and I have met well over 2 dozen former Nazi’s or family members of now dead former Nazi’s and everyone has said how they or their loved one was “forced into becoming a Nazi” – hmmmmm…all of those folks killing and burning Jews and Homo’s , etc. and they all were “forced!” The pope was a NAZI HILTER YOUTH – THE POPE! What can you expect from a Knucklehead in Colorado to think about people who are “different” from her when the damn Pope is such a hater!
I recall one Barbara Walter’s TV show about a homosexual couple with kids. It showed them in a relaxed environment (happy home). She asked various questions of the couple and kids about what it is like to have two daddies or mommies all with great concern. I would have ask them how will they explain the “Birds and Bees” to the kids. Well daddy puts his penis with condom & KY up daddy #2’s rectum. It’s all about love kids. Any other questions? Yes daddy what is safe sex?
Is there a homosexual version of birds & bees (with included safe sex pamphlet)? The show then flashed some stock footage/clips of Rev. Phelps and his “God hates fags” family that are suppose to represent Christians. Get the message. Christians are the hateful and ignorant ones. God sure is an idiot. This is typical of the media.
The marriage that homosexuals want to define is a counterfeit version. It will look just like the real thing on the outside
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September 28th, 2006 at 4:07 pmChimpin’ aint easy #225
That was sweeeet! But these are cafeteria morons. They choose which parts of the “good” book are important and which are not.
God made gays, so let Him take care of them where is the faith?
God can take the soul of an aborted child and put it in another woman who wants it…. where is their faith?
Hey all you pretend “Christians” LET GOD HANDLE GAYS!
WHERE IS YOUR FAITH?
OH… and don’t forget, when God blesses you with a deadly illness, REJOICE, don’t get treatment. He is calling you to come to heaven to sit by His throne… don’t delay. AGAIN, WHERE IS YOUR FAITH?
September 28th, 2006 at 4:21 pmI’d love for this woman to sit down with one of the soliders families who have given their life in Iraq, and tell them that it’s a secondary issue to stopping gay men and women from sharing a wedding vow. Can you imagine sitting across from those families and telling them that loss was secondary to a gay marriage.
Perhaps telling the elderly who live in pain daily that medicare reform, and healthcare issues are secondary. To the starving children who live in either poverty or fear from abuse, that they can hold on until she finishes her fight to stop gay men and woman from marrying.
The largest issue we face today …. hmmm ….. must be really nice life to only have that to worry about……
September 28th, 2006 at 4:46 pmTough choice come November:
You can vote for more:
death, destruction, debt, fear, alienation, destruction of the middle-class
OR
You can vote for more:
September 28th, 2006 at 4:57 pmPeace, rebuilding, reuniting, fiscal responsibility, acceptance of others, and and the restoration of the middle-class.
Like I said, it’s a tough choice…
Musgrave’s ancestors are english and english are known for the origins and infestation of homo activities. Its iin her blood and her children’s blood.
Hitler was known for exterminate homos. Christians in america is on their ways to the same goal.
Oh well, this is christian value anyway. One question, why the heck is Vatican reticent on this gay crap?After all, vatican is known for the breeding ground for homo who went to the churches for boys?
September 28th, 2006 at 11:57 pmI hope she doesn’t scream too loudly when her husband sticks it up her bum!
September 29th, 2006 at 6:37 amGod or the neighbors might hear.
September 29th, 2006 at 6:42 amThe countries biggest problem is craven mercenaries with no conscience. Marilyn Musgrave is a pig.
September 29th, 2006 at 6:53 amYou stupid freakin’ bitch. We’ve got men and women dying in Iraq, our poverty and unemployment levels are ABSURD, and you think that people being allowed to get married is the most important issue we face?
YOUR FRICKIN REALITY CHECK BOUNCED!
September 29th, 2006 at 8:08 amI’m very happy that Marilyn Musgrave made this statement. The people of her district are getting very sick and tired of her religious grandstanding and exploitation. Colorado has turned a new leaf — and her name is Angie Paggione.
September 29th, 2006 at 10:00 amI carefully read through all of the comments and I had a million things I was going to say, but now I just have one question… what is oral sodomy?
September 29th, 2006 at 10:10 amEverybody in Colorado thinks Marilyn Mooseface is an embarrassment.
Even the normally Red rural areas in her Northeastern Colorado district do not like her, she has neglected farming and ranching issues.
And she wants to turn all Colorado interstates into toll roads.
Help us out, support Angie Paccione! http://www.angie2006.com
September 29th, 2006 at 11:16 amHealthcare access for working Americans and their family
September 29th, 2006 at 11:38 amOur atrocious education system
Oh…you know, the whole war and stuff….
Yeah none of that is as important as two men kissing.
Okay, so gay marriage is like, well, the most important issue. But the Iraq war, the suspension of habeus corpus, torture by American officials, and the budget deficit are like close follow-ups. Am I right or wrong?
September 29th, 2006 at 12:39 pmAs for those that call homosexuality un-natural or against god I would say this:
The animal kingdom also “suffers” from homosexuality. Monkeys use it as an expression of dominacne over other competative primates. It has been video taped that octipy(sp)? also exhibit homosexuality. frogs will actually change thier sex in order to stem the over population of one gender over another within thier habitat. It seems to me that your “god ” has placed mothernature in charge of its own survival. Mothernature now sees over population and rampent destruction of its ecosystem by the hands of her upright walking children, so in defense more people are BORN gay, in order to stem the destructive population. percieved as a threat to the balance and harmony of this living world.
Call me whacko, crazy, whatever…..but 2+2=4 open your eyes and understand that all things concerning nature (including reproduction) is in essence NATURAL.
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September 29th, 2006 at 6:13 pmWatson! Quickly! we must stop this Unnatural Musgrave ritual……
September 29th, 2006 at 7:14 pmthe only reason they don’t want gay marriage is because they don’t want gay people to think they can freely express themselves in public….they want to just push all the way to the back of the closet
September 29th, 2006 at 8:11 pmNow I know how men came up with the “C” word.
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October 1st, 2006 at 7:39 amWhat rock did this dingbat crawl out from under?
For 75% + or -, of the public do not care about gay marriage. This is nothing but fare right fundy rabble rousing.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:42 ami dont care what you people have to say about gays . i think they should just stay together and not care what other people say like these immiture freaks (above and below) so just live your normal lives:)(:
October 4th, 2006 at 7:27 pmWhat does she have to say about the Foley scandal? Does she want to have him prosecuted?
October 5th, 2006 at 11:45 pmFor those of you who think that gay unions should be banned and that homosexuals should not be able to adopt children for some reason or another, I ask you this: what group of people are the most likely to abuse or sexual molest children. Not gays or lesbians. It is actually men, that are “Straight”, married, and most times with children themselves. Which would you rather have, a child that has two moms or two dads or a child that gets used as a punching bag or a sex toy for an adult.
October 12th, 2006 at 1:00 pmGay marriage is the most important Item only to someone with their head in the sand. It’s time statesmen/women stop trying to mix their religious views with government, and concentrate on clearing up the mess they made in Iraq. Let’s get out out this war and let our citizens live in choice and peace.
October 20th, 2006 at 12:11 pm[...] 67. Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO) said that gay marriage “is the most important issue that we face today.” [Link] [...]
November 6th, 2006 at 6:10 pmThis is way confusing!!!!!!
November 7th, 2006 at 11:48 amwho care!! it’s not your life
November 27th, 2006 at 1:32 pmseam mckay is gay!!!!
November 27th, 2006 at 1:34 pmI think in some ways shes right, but i do disagree, with the issue being the most important..it is an issue, becuz if u were gay, u wouldnt be happy, come the time u wanna get married, and u just cant
December 7th, 2006 at 9:51 amYEA, SO IT IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE, BUT STILL, IT IS AN ISSUE. sO I DO DISAGREE ON THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE PART, BUT I DO NOT AGREE THAT “GAYS SHOULD GO BACK TO THE CLOSET WHERE THEY BELONG.” IF YOU’RE SO AGAINST IT, WHY WERE YOU ON THIS SITE IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU BIG HOBO!!!!
December 7th, 2006 at 11:08 amDear Sir
I am an experienced person,awriter and a thinker and I have studied the humanity during the last 43 years.
This includes all major religions and human values
I love America very dearly
America is still the greatest piller for democracy
The 259 comments above just shock
If this is real America today then forget Bin Laden
Because American people will destroy this Great country vwry very quickly with bare hands
Please wake up before it is too late
GOD always forgive
But there is a limit
In the above YOU have crossed the GODS RED line 259 times
DAVID
December 19th, 2006 at 11:11 pmCalm down people, she’s right and you know it. Stop calling her a dumby, she’s obviously more intelligent than you are. The future IS going to be grim. The human race will die off and once again the apes will dominate the earth. Good job. Keep supporting that.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:14 amhey you people,
She has a point in school you here about gays and how they shouldn’t be in our society but hey they are so get over it . what if your child or your best friend decided he or she was gay? would you support them?
February 15th, 2007 at 12:39 amwell i would even though i don’t always agree with some peoples choices i
learn to deal with them and except them because in the long run those are the people who can stand up and say i have an opinion and i’m not afraid to be different and stand up for what i believe in .
Yeah man, whats with that? I mean, we all like tub girl so the gays can go back to where they came from – canada.
February 28th, 2007 at 10:58 amWow, I must say that it makes me sick to see people like this in this day and age. If same-sex marriage is not legalized we will be moving backwards in evolution. It kills me that these twenty first century knuckle draggers are more comfortable with two men hold guns than holding hands. Hey, I have an idea! How about we all mind our own business! If two people want to get married then how does that affect anyone but them? It doesn’t. It’s no one’s business but their own. Big brother government needs to get his nose out and let people live their lives. They have to fit the good fight? No, we have to fight the good fight. If we wabt to be treated equally then we’ll have to fight like hell and I for one am prepared to do this. This is comming from a 16 year old out and proud lesbian who will be starting a Gay-Straight Alliance next year at my high school.
February 28th, 2007 at 11:17 am[...] was on board with the frightfully magnetic Marilyn Musgrave’s attempt to codify bigotry into the Constitution in the form of the Anti-marriage [...]
March 15th, 2007 at 11:35 pm[...] was on board with the frightfully magnetic Marilyn Musgrave’s attempt to codify bigotry into the Constitution in the form of the Anti-marriage [...]
March 31st, 2007 at 8:42 pm