65 percent.
By on Sep 28th, 2006 at 10:01 pm
65 percent.
Number of Americans who believe Iraq is in a civil war, up from 56 percent in April, according to a new CNN poll.
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I guess Bush's comment: "Civil War this and Civil War that" isn't working so well....
September 28th, 2006 at 10:03 pmEvery week I see stories like this over and over again. Sorry but... so what. Nothing ever gets done about it. It is not enough to take meaningless poll after meaningless poll.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:08 pmIt no longer matters what "Americans think"......in case anyone has been paying attention. Now, since the "Bush is free to torture and be absolved of all past crimes" bill passed today in the Senate, we have a dictatorship. Who cares what the "children" think. Daddy the decider will decide. "GO TO HELL" HARRY ( Reid) ......since you won't/can't "GIVE EM (the GOP crime family) ANY. "
I am sickened by our "elected" leaders......our Democracy has failed.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:19 pmYeah, but Bush don't follow none of dem dare polls. Polls is for wussies.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:19 pmAmerica's Least Wanted
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September 28th, 2006 at 10:23 pmZooey, I made a post the other day with a link to one of TP's own threads and they deleted it!
September 28th, 2006 at 10:27 pmCivil war this, civil war that -- Bush insults the Democrats, now he insults the general public. He really does have delusions of grandeur.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:29 pmHe thinks he is Caesar, but he acts like Nero.
It is 10:21pm and I have C-SPAN on the tv. It is truly deppressing. They voted to approve the warrantless wire tap bill. While they were voting, C-SPAN was taking calls from the viewers. Those opposing the bill were, of course, lamenting the loss of our country and constitution. While those supporting it sounded to me like they were nuts. One lady was talking about some FREE 20 tape series about 911 and biblical prophesy for $87. I'm not kidding. This other idiot was saying that Ben Franklin did'nt have to deal with terrorists or modern phone technology. Maybe so, but he had experience with the superlegal machinations of king George. Which is what this is really all about, just a different George.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:31 pmOh what the hell, Zooey. They delete a lot of my stuff. Repost it. Say, about this thread, I must have missed something. Didn't Vice President Cheney say the insurgency was "in its last throes?"
September 28th, 2006 at 10:35 pm65% huh, so that means the other 35% are the brain-dead Bush lovers, who live in a GOP induced coma!
September 28th, 2006 at 10:37 pmLOL, Zooey, that is really hot :)
September 28th, 2006 at 10:39 pmDid you see it there for a second? I re-posted the link, and 30 seconds later, it's gone. Heh
How many times would I have to put up that link before I'm banned?
September 28th, 2006 at 10:44 pmZooey > who are the Democrats that voted AYES for the torture bill in the Senate? I want their names, so they can be punished for stupidity!
September 28th, 2006 at 10:45 pmJay,
From DKos (dare I post the link?) :)
Gutless Democrats saying Aye:
Tom Carper (Del.)
Tim Johnson (S.D.)
Mary Landrieu (La.)
Frank Lautenberg (N.J.)
Bob Menendez (N.J)
Bill Nelson (Fla.)
Ben Nelson (Neb.)
Pryor (Ark.)
Jay Rockefeller (W. Va.)
Ken Salazar (Co.)
Debbie Stabenow (Mich.)
Gutless Connecticut for Liebermans saying Aye:
Joe Lieberman (Conn.)
History will not absolve you.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:47 pmHeh. Look at all the links!
September 28th, 2006 at 10:48 pmAaaaaannnnndddd, they're gone.
This is fun, in a mean sort of way.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:49 pmWhat the hell, they keep appearing and disappearing. I'm leaving it alone. :)
September 28th, 2006 at 10:50 pmCarper (Del.)
Johnson (S.D.)
Landrieu (La.)
Lautenberg (N.J.)
Lieberman (Conn.)
Menendez (N.J)
Nelson (Fla.)
Nelson (Neb.)
Pryor (Ark.)
Rockefeller (W. Va.)
Salazar (Co.)
Stabenow (Mich)
Twelve Democrats who put the interests of their nation ahead of partisanship. They are to be applauded.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:51 pmZooey, post again, Please. And again and again untill it comes up and if you're banned I will ask the trees to shower shit on the offices of the people preventing you're postings....LOL...We need to know and stand together.....Blessing's and hug's..
September 28th, 2006 at 10:52 pmjay - i suggest you bookmark these sites:
September 28th, 2006 at 10:53 pmsenate.gov
house.gov
Zooey I'm curious can you just describe what you are linking to?
September 28th, 2006 at 10:53 pmSorry Bowdler, I still see all those links! Maybe you don't. It's a story on Yahoo about the Senate approving their version of the interrogation bill.
Sharon, are you trying to get me banned!? Although....trees showering shit would be a sight to behold...
September 28th, 2006 at 10:58 pmzooey - i know your pain...
last night i posted a comment in reply to homer, about the song lyric from 'ten years after'...
i checked earlier today to see if there were any replies to that, and the original post was gone...
so i posted a comment about that...
check again later, and it's all there! now i really come off as a nut!
keep on keepin' on, girl!
September 28th, 2006 at 10:59 pm...
Actually, this is remniscent of Hilter's consolidation of power in a way. The Democrats (WIMPS) are too afraid of being called weak on Terrorism, so fall in line. The Supreme Court may fall in line as well, but is the last line preventing a fall down the slippery slope.
No one seems to understand the need for separation of responsibilities among the branches anymore. The concept is really quite simple really and was formed to prevent dictatorship.
For right wingers: Just pretend that Clinton is still President and that he has the power to name anyone (i.e. Republican or aids or abets republicans) an enemy cobatant; hold them indefinitely, will make the rules regarding interrogating, imprisoning, trying, will not tell them what they are charged with or provide any means of defense, will try them, find them guilty, then execute them.
Of course we do need to detain, interrogate suspects, and try terrorism perpetrators by a legal means, and not to send to other countries to avoid the law. Actions need to be on the up-and-up because as we have seen recently - mistakes are made and innocent people are labelled as terrorist associates/suspects. It is important that the Congress act as a separate entity from the Administrative Branch and that laws follow the Constitution and Treaties to which we have agreed.
However, this cannot be classified as a Constitutional law.
Bear in mind that all branches of the German government were on trial at Nuremburg, even the high court that allowed sterilization and anihilation to occur.
Somehow the Constitution ("George's G*ddammed piece of paper") survived a Civil War and enemy threats/attacks from the Lusitania, to Pearl Harbor, to the "red scare", to the Cold War only to now succumb to the terrorists.
Karl Rove and the neocons really out do Goerring.
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
September 28th, 2006 at 11:03 pm-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
The civil war in Iraq is nothing compared to the coming civil war in America. Bush and Congress just declared war against our inalienable rights.
We now live under the same kind laws as Stalin. The President can kidnap anyone, take him to a secret prison and torture him—with Congresses blessing.
Folks, this isn't allowed in the Constitution that We The People ratified. Looks like the government failed us, and we'll have to take our country back ourselves. The Czechs did it, so can we.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:04 pmZooey > thanks for the info on those 12 Democrat traitors!
I just noticed on another TP thread someone posted 11 Dem names, so Stabenow was the missing one!
Well Lieberman showed that he is a Republican again, and that pumpkin head Ben Nelson of Nebraska! I have NO idea why Bill Nelson of Florida voted YEA for torture? The others are just plain foolish!
September 28th, 2006 at 11:05 pmkeep on keepin’ on, girl!
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Comment by katy
One evening I was talking to Santo, trying to get her to take a nap (who knows why), and it was pretty damned good. By morning all that was left were my own comments, nothing else. I looked like a f*cking lunatic. Luckily, I'm kind of used to that. :)
September 28th, 2006 at 11:06 pmPlease note, one Republican—Chaffee of Rhode Island—voted AGAINST torture. I emailed him to thank him for defending our Constitution.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:08 pmJay,
They have no spines. They pander to the bedwetters, and they need to get new jobs. I don't even have to check to see how Craig & Crapo voted, I expect nothing from them, but I did expect more from the Dems.
Time to clean house folks.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:08 pmOne evening I was talking to Santo, trying to get her to take a nap (who knows why), and it was pretty damned good. By morning all that was left were my own comments, nothing else. I looked like a f*cking lunatic. Luckily, I’m kind of used to that. :)
Comment by Zooey — September 28, 2006 @ 11:06 pm
Oh shit I'm LMAO.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:09 pm#19 12 Democrats who put political expediency before using their freaking brains. But...I wouldn't expect YOU to understand intelligence.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:09 pmOh shit I’m LMAO.
Comment by ForTruth
I'm here to serve...
September 28th, 2006 at 11:14 pmZooey this vote for torture, by 12 Senate Democrats, has ended any chance of Dems taking back the Senate! They fell for the Karl Rove trap! Democrat voters may stay home in disgust now?!
Does NOT look much better for the House either!
September 28th, 2006 at 11:14 pmJay,
Do you think that if the Dems take the House or Senate, or both, that they would repeal this potential legislation immediatley?
I don't.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:24 pmWho cares. If 100% of the people thought Iraq was in a civil war, what difference would it make? None.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:26 pmJay, you are probably right. I voted against Kohl in the primary here even though his opponent was nothing but a huge pothead. But he voted the right way on this one so I will go and do my duty and vote for him (he will win by 30 points without my vote). There are 3 of those Senators that will be hurt by this...Carper, Stabenow and Menendez. I wonder if their votes were our of fear?
September 28th, 2006 at 11:27 pmBy morning all that was left were my own comments, nothing else. I looked like a f*cking lunatic. Comment by Zooey
Sounds like high school times.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:42 pmwow... i'm not sure what the site manager is about, but it sure ain't consistency... those links were there when i posted earlier... gone now...
anyone have any idea why snowe did not vote?
when i called her office this morning, the aide said they'd gotten lots of calls about her vote... seems it would be bravier to vote correctly than not at all...
damn, this distresses me immensely... has anyone heard or read about any little bit of a positive note to come from this vote?
September 28th, 2006 at 11:50 pm...
The public is so far ahead of our politicians. Civil war in Iraq and civic meltdown in the U.S. Even during th eMcCarthy years, when there were a lof of erosions of our freedoms, Congress wasn't endorsing torture and abolishing habeas corpus.
Some of our freedoms died tonight, not with a bang, but a whimper, a deal brokered by the three clowns -- McCain, Warner and Graham. Eloquent speeches but no filibuster from the Dems. Yeas, the Roll Call Hall of Shame: Some of these senators are arch reactionaries, to use one of the kinder terms. Some are blatant political opportunists. Some are cowards, afraid to vote their convictions under intense political pressure to conform or be labeled un-American or worse. You decide who's who. And remember. Nobody gets a pass on this one.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:53 pmhas anyone heard or read about any little bit of a positive note to come from this vote?
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Comment by katy
Only from Jason & Exley. They're thrilled.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:54 pmSounds like high school times.
Comment by Juan+C
Sometimes I long for the days of Santo -- you know, a troll who had enough self awareness to know she was crazy, but had the courage to keeping trying.
Unlike the trolls who don't know they're crazy. :P
September 28th, 2006 at 11:57 pmThat last 35% is a barrier that we may never get past. These are the kind of people who forgo toilet tissue and lick the stuff off their fingers after going number two.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:58 pmThey’re thrilled.
Comment by Zooey
Theyre sick.
September 29th, 2006 at 12:09 amYa know….there’s a very cynical part of me that says that a great majority of these “so-called sectarian killings†are not sectarian at all, but US approved (sanctioned) and blamed within.
When certain elements say….what civil war? I think thy should take pause…..the war crimes are beyond the unthinkable….
September 29th, 2006 at 12:13 amwell... had to catch the late edition of olberman to see if that helped... it did somewhat...
at least it ended on a light note, showing BORAT holding a press conference at the white house gate... pretty funny...
the guard would not take his invitation for bush, to the premiere of his movie showing at hooters... heh...
g'nite... say your prayers...
September 29th, 2006 at 1:03 amJust ordered my Impeach Bush bumper sticker. And left messages for my kids and grandkids, just in case I mysteriously disappear.. "Feed the cats and vote Democratic!"
September 29th, 2006 at 1:25 am65%, up from %6 in April. You know the more Americans that believe in something makes it that much more true. Truth itself is defined these days as being that which the Americans believe.
Oh, and there's only one link I saw above, that from around #40 (what with all the disappearing posts, referring to them by number is not so accurate...) by Madison+Guy. So somebody managed to sneak one past the link gremlin!
September 29th, 2006 at 1:39 amSorry-
September 29th, 2006 at 1:40 am65%, up from 56%
d'oh!
The terrorists hate you because your free -- so for Bush to make the Terrorists love you he is gonna take away your freedom.
Why can't the Bush-cons see that? They are so demented from so much propaganda they think by removing their their freedom they will defeat terrorism, the fact is that they did just what Osama [cough couch] wanted them too.
Bush-cons have fallin hook line and sinker for the carl schmitt unitary executive theory of the third reich, and they are so scared [1 terrorist in a nation of millions and millions] they will throw away their rights. Osama is not really any worse than a common murderer, do you think people would throw away their rights for Hannibal Lecter?
Hell no they wouldn't.
September 29th, 2006 at 4:18 amDid they throw away their rights after Tim Mcveigh blew up the Murrah Building?
Did they throw away their rights after WW1 or WW2?
Did they throw away their rights after Vietnam? Hell no.
And now introducing "Police Academy 7: or, Sh*t Happens!"
Heralded Iraq Police Academy a 'Disaster'
By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 28, 2006; A01
BAGHDAD, Sept. 27 -- A $75 million project to build the largest police academy in Iraq has been so grossly mismanaged that the campus now poses health risks to recruits and might need to be partially demolished, U.S. investigators have found.
The Baghdad Police College, hailed as crucial to U.S. efforts to prepare Iraqis to take control of the country's security, was so poorly constructed that feces and urine rained from the ceilings in student barracks. Floors heaved inches off the ground and cracked apart. Water dripped so profusely in one room that it was dubbed "the rain forest."
"This is the most essential civil security project in the country -- and it's a failure," said Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, an independent office created by Congress. "The Baghdad police academy is a disaster."
Bowen's office plans to release a 21-page report Thursday detailing the most alarming problems with the facility.
Even in a $21 billion reconstruction effort that has been marred by cases of corruption and fraud, failures in training and housing Iraq's security forces are particularly significant because of their effect on what the U.S. military has called its primary mission here: to prepare Iraqi police and soldiers so that Americans can depart.
Federal investigators said the inspector general's findings raise serious questions about whether the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has failed to exercise effective oversight over the Baghdad Police College or reconstruction programs across Iraq, despite charging taxpayers management fees of at least 4.5 percent of total project costs. The Corps of Engineers said Wednesday that it has initiated a wide-ranging investigation of the police academy project.
The report serves as the latest indictment of Parsons Corp., the U.S. construction giant that was awarded about $1 billion for a variety of reconstruction projects across Iraq. After chronicling previous Parsons failures to properly build health clinics, prisons and hospitals, Bowen said he now plans to conduct an audit of every Parsons project.
"The truth needs to be told about what we didn't get for our dollar from Parsons," Bowen said.
A spokeswoman for Parsons said the company had not seen the inspector general's report.
The Coalition Provisional Authority hired Parsons in 2004 to transform the Baghdad Police College, a ramshackle collection of 1930s buildings, into a modern facility whose training capacity would expand from 1,500 recruits to at least 4,000. The contract called for the firm to remake the campus by building, among other things, eight three-story student barracks, classroom buildings and a central laundry facility.
As top U.S. military commanders declared 2006 "the year of the police," in an acknowledgment of their critical role in allowing for any withdrawal of American troops, officials highlighted the Baghdad Police College as one of their success stories.
"This facility has definitely been a top priority," Lt. Col. Joel Holtrop of the Corps of Engineers' Gulf Region Division Project and Contracting Office said in a July news release. "It's a very exciting time as the cadets move into the new structures."
Complaints about the new facilities, however, began pouring in two weeks after the recruits arrived at the end of May, a Corps of Engineers official said.
The most serious problem was substandard plumbing that caused waste from toilets on the second and third floors to cascade throughout the building. A light fixture in one room stopped working because it was filled with urine and fecal matter. The waste threatened the integrity of load-bearing slabs, federal investigators concluded.
"When we walked down the halls, the Iraqis came running up and said, 'Please help us. Please do something about this,' " Bowen recalled.
Phillip A. Galeoto, director of the Baghdad Police College, wrote an Aug. 16 memo that catalogued at least 20 problems: shower and bathroom fixtures that leaked from the first day of occupancy, concrete and tile floors that heaved more than two inches off the ground, water rushing down hallways and stairwells because of improper slopes or drains in bathrooms, classroom buildings with foundation problems that caused structures to sink.
Galeoto noted that one entire building and five floors in others had to be shuttered for repairs, limiting the capacity of the college by up to 800 recruits. His memo, too, pointed out that the urine and feces flowed throughout the building and, sometimes, onto occupants of the barracks.
"This is not a complete list," he wrote, but rather a snapshot of "issues we are confronted with on a daily basis (as recent as the last hour) by the incomplete and/or poor work left behind by these builders."
The Parsons contract, which eventually totaled at least $75 million, was terminated May 31 "due to cost overruns, schedule slippage, and sub-standard quality," according to a Sept. 4 internal military memo. But rather than fire the Pasadena, Calif.-based company for cause, the contract was halted for "the government's convenience."
Col. Michael Herman -- deputy commander of the Gulf Region Division of the Corps of Engineers, which was supposed to oversee the project -- said the Iraqi subcontractors hired by Parsons were being forced to fix the building problems as part of their warranty work, at no cost to taxpayers. He said four of the eight barracks have been repaired.
The U.S. military initially agreed to take a Washington Post reporter on a tour of the facility Wednesday to examine the construction issues, but the trip was postponed Tuesday night. Federal investigators who visited the academy last week, though, expressed concerns about the structural integrity of the buildings and worries that fecal residue could cause a typhoid outbreak or other health crisis.
"They may have to demolish everything they built," said Robert DeShurley, a senior engineer with the inspector general's office. "The buildings are falling down as they sit."
Herman said that he doubted that was the case but that he plans to hire an architecture and engineering firm to examine the facility. He also plans to investigate concerns raised by the inspector general's office that the Army Corps of Engineers did not properly respond to construction problems highlighted in quality-control reports.
Inside the inspector general's office in Baghdad on a recent blistering afternoon, several federal investigators expressed amazement that such construction blunders could be concentrated in one project. Even in Iraq, they said, failure on this magnitude is unusual. When asked how the problems at the police college compared with other projects they had inspected, the answers came swiftly.
"This is significant," said Jon E. Novak, a senior adviser in the office.
"It's catastrophic," DeShurley added.
Bowen said: "It's the worst."
September 29th, 2006 at 4:55 amWelcome to the Fascist Totalitarian Police State. Sure hope all of you nonChristian, nonBushWorshipping, liberals are preparing yourself to withsatand waterboarding and electrodes attached to your testicles. Because they are coming for you and he sooner you admit to what you've done the better off you'll be. Then we can just tie you to the stake and burn you, and be done with the whole mess.
September 29th, 2006 at 6:39 amTwo problems with this.
1. It's a CNN poll.
September 29th, 2006 at 6:44 am2. The assumption that what the American People believe is somehow truth.
Storms
1: CNN is if anything, a conservative news source.
2: The assumption is that the American people don't believe the current administration about Iraq.
The second someone screams "Lib'rul Media" is the second I get very, very suspicious about what they are trying to sell me. South Africa went through a phase where it was all the liberal media too, and guess what? The "liberal media" turned out to have been glossing over the worst bits of the Nat government.
September 29th, 2006 at 7:02 amI wonder what keeps that big bobbly blitz head, on that frail little pencil neck, from tilting over
September 29th, 2006 at 8:18 amI think I've found who's controlling this republican progaganda machine,
"Today's hard right seeks total dominion. It's packing the courts and rigging the rules. The target is not the Democrats but democracy itself."
Comparisons to Hitler's rise are very appropriate. He was a populist, manipulating public opinion to support his accendance to power. Same as the republicans and Bush are doing, declaring martial law in a war against ourselves. Your neighbor maybe a terrorist or is it "enemy combantant", have to throw them in jail to protect America...
September 29th, 2006 at 8:57 amThe David Corn blog is down to people who post. The Republicans are going after liberal sites by doing this sort of thing. They so believe in freedom of speech.
By the way, I don't know how it is in your state but in my state my govenor is pushing for stronger voting standards. In other words deny the voters who have very little voice but their vote that one element of power.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:10 am#56, Right on - I went straight to the Act of Enablement in 1933 and the Reichstag Declaration to compare and contrast yesterday's suspension of Habeas Corpus at His Majesty's Pleasure. The AoE is of course much stronger but you can see the parallels.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:19 amWTF would you draw attention to this for ?
Does the opinion of the American public count for something in an analysis of whether sectarian violence in a failed state meets the definition of a civil war ?
Got the poll results handy for the numbers of Americans who think 9/11 was an inside job, Iraq still has WMDs and Elvis is alive do you ? Same kind of stunning insight evident from the same gene pool ?
September 29th, 2006 at 9:23 amFirst of all, polls matter only so far as they indicate a change in thinking and in which direction. In this case, the poll says that significantly more people are ignoring Bush and the GOP propaganda. Rethugs have been desperately trying to stifle any talk of civil war, but somehow the public has still caught on to the fact that, yes indeed, Iraq is in a state of civil war. If we could just get the public to recognize that 99% (I'm being generous) of what they hear from the right is utter nonsense, there's hope for November 7th.
As for the 12 wimps who still claim to be Democrats, they've had their lesson and they refuse to learn from it. I'm not surprised to see Carper, Landrieu, Salazar, and the Nelsons on that list. I can actually picture them being herded around the Senate floor by a border collie. Those poor frightened little lambs. But, it boggles the mind to see Rockefeller, Lautenberg, Johnson, and Stabenow voting with them.
Of the Dems who voted for the authorization to use force, a lot of them have been accused, some of them unfairly, as having voted for the war. I'm willing to give them some leeway on that, because they didn't see the unfiltered intelligence, they believed the intelligence briefers, and they didn't feel that they had enough evidence of Bush being a chronic liar to suspect that it all might be complete bullshit. They took him at his word that he'd work with the UN and allow the inspectors to finish their job and they believed that he only wanted the authorization to use as a threat against Saddam.
So, I don't think it's necessarily fair to accuse those Dems of "voting for war", but these 12 have voted for torture. They have no excuses. They can't hide behind ignorance or sense of duty or whatever other lame ass excuse that they're going to offer during their next re-election campaign. They voted for torture. It's just that simple. And they make me sick.
Hopefully, we can get Lamont elected and then the rest of them can see their political demise on the horizon.
September 29th, 2006 at 10:15 amThis is like asking whether or not you believe Iraq had anything to do with 9/11.
You belief doesn't matter crapola, its the damn facts that matter.
Either that, or it just shows how ignorant/misinformed the american people are.
September 29th, 2006 at 10:25 amIf you vote against the Dem who voted for this Bill you keep Republican in power than we are doomed. The Dems need to take both houses so we can impeach Old Bushies and his admin. You just cann't not think like this. You got to think there is still Hope for us. That is all we got.
I can say my two Senators voted against this bill. They are from WI. The idiot Rep. Sensenbrenner voted for this as the rest of the Republican from my state.
September 29th, 2006 at 11:23 amSensenbrenner is up for reelection this November and I told him I would never vote for him. He is arragant and a rude person. He votes for everything I don't believe in.
As far as Iraqis and Bush are concerned, what the hell does it matter what Americans believe?
September 29th, 2006 at 11:54 amGutless Democrats saying Aye:
Tom Carper (Del.)
Tim Johnson (S.D.)
Mary Landrieu (La.)
Frank Lautenberg (N.J.)
Bob Menendez (N.J)
Bill Nelson (Fla.)
Ben Nelson (Neb.)
Pryor (Ark.)
Jay Rockefeller (W. Va.)
Ken Salazar (Co.)
Debbie Stabenow (Mich.)
Guranteed 95% of these incumbents get re-elected, thats the norm in this flawed political system. Ignorant and shallow voters lack the sophistication to perform an honest analysis, arrive at a decision and rid the country of their craven "representatives".
September 29th, 2006 at 12:51 pm