New Woodward Book Details Multiple Bush Cover-Ups Over Iraq
New Woodward Book Details Multiple Bush Cover-Ups Over Iraq
The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward is set to release “State of Denial,” the third in his series of books documenting the inner workings of the Bush administration. Woodward will discuss some notable revelations in the book this Sunday on 60 Minutes. Key highlights:
Bush is covering up the extent of violence against U.S. troops in Iraq:
According to Woodward, insurgent attacks against coalition troops occur, on average, every 15 minutes, a shocking fact the administration has kept secret. “It’s getting to the point now where there are eight-, nine-hundred attacks a week. That’s more than 100 a day. That is four an hour attacking our forces,” says Woodward.
Intelligence shows Iraq violence will worsen in 2007:
The situation is getting much worse, says Woodward, despite what the White House and the Pentagon are saying in public. “The truth is that the assessment by intelligence experts is that next year, 2007, is going to get worse and, in public, you have the president and you have the Pentagon [saying], ‘Oh, no, things are going to get better,‘” he tells Wallace. “Now there’s public, and then there’s private. But what did they do with the private? They stamp it secret. No one is supposed to know,” says Woodward.
Bush will not support withdrawing from Iraq under any circumstances:
President Bush is absolutely certain that he has the U.S. and Iraq on the right course, says Woodward. So certain is the president on this matter, Woodward says, that when Mr. Bush had key Republicans to the White House to discuss Iraq, he told them, “I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.”
Henry Kissinger regularly advises Bush and Cheney:
Woodward also reports that the president and vice president often meet with Henry Kissinger, who was President Richard Nixon’s secretary of state, as an adviser. Says Woodward, “Now what’s Kissinger’s advice? In Iraq, he declared very simply, ‘Victory is the only meaningful exit strategy.’” Woodward adds. “This is so fascinating. Kissinger’s fighting the Vietnam War again because, in his view, the problem in Vietnam was we lost our will.”
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THIS IS TONY BLAIRS SISTER IN WATCH HER ATTTACK HIM TO PIECES OUTSIDE THE LABOUR PARTY CONFERENCE SUNDAY ???
September 28th, 2006 at 12:06 pm3….2….1…..
RW Repsonse will be:
“Silly Woodward, of course troops are being attacked every 15 minutes THEY ARE IN A WAR you moron
Love the fact that Bob sat back during the run up to the war in question and watched as Bush and pals pulled a fast one over the American people..
thanks for nothing Bob………
September 28th, 2006 at 12:07 pmCall all your screw ups “national security,” so no one finds out. Nice job Republicans.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:13 pmIntelligence In Exile
September 28th, 2006 at 12:17 pmJohn Prados
Thursday 9:03 AM
What the GOP doesn’t want you to know about al-Qaida’s connections to Iraq and Iran’s connections to the Iraqi exiles.
Kissinger is probably advising Bush and Cheney on how to avoid prison.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:19 pmOnly moron Republicans wanting to preserve their fantasy of the he-man leader who will lead us to victory would go on believing Bush’s biggest lie: that he had the nation’s interests at heart when he got us into this war.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:21 pm#6….got that right.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:23 pmSit back, crack open a beer, and watch Chris Hitchens’ head explode.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:25 pmWe still have a chance to stop one of the most egregious features of the Detainee/Torture bill. Please contact your Senators and tell them to support Patrick Leahy and Arlen Specter’s ammendment to restore habeas corpus rights, allowing suspects at the very least an opportunity to challenge their detainment in court. Senators Collins and Snowe, both moderate Republicans, need a bit of a push on this
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September 28th, 2006 at 12:26 pm…
Every dollar spent on the Iraq War is a dollar we cannot spend on addressing other priorities, whether abroad or at home. Economists call this an ‘opportunity cost.’ Congress has so far spent nearly $320 billion on the war. But all of these dollars are dollars that could have been directed toward meeting other needs and investing in our future.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:27 pmBob Woodward has always been a Bush apologist, so it is not possible to believe the guy in any way now! He needs to resign from the Washington Post and retire from writing any more books!
September 28th, 2006 at 12:31 pmDon’t worry, libs. I’m quite sure this “sensitive” information will be leaked by some dishonorable puke sooner or later, and summarily published by the New York Times or Washington Post. This is nothing more than Woodward trying to make a quick buck with some crappy expose’ on the percieved wrongdoings of the Bush administration. He’ll make his money, because their are thousands and thousands of left-wing kooks out there who will lap this trash right up.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:31 pmNothing like a meeting of the war criminals. Henry Kissinger – just makes me want to spit…..
As for Woodward – that man will NEVER get a cent from me. I’ll go via the library. ;)
September 28th, 2006 at 12:33 pmWhy do you liberals always side with the enemy?
It’s amazing how many traitors we have in America.
PS – If I were President I would have all you liberal traitors rounded up and put in a re-education camp. I would make all of you wear (red, white & blue) jumpsuits instead of orange jumpsuits. And you would have to say The Pledge of Allegiance every morning.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:35 pmwhen Mr. Bush had key Republicans to the White House to discuss Iraq, he told them, “I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.†– - Did my brain go on hiatus? Barney? Barney, the purple whatever-it-is? It sure ain’t Barney Frank. (ok, smarty pantalones, no need to link those two.)
September 28th, 2006 at 12:36 pmThis is nothing more than Woodward trying to make a quick buck with some crappy expose’ on the percieved wrongdoings of the Bush administration. – - No great recent fan of Woodward but money is something he’ll not be wanting for, ever. And the Bush administration gladly gave him virtually unfettered access to the West Wing.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:38 pm“I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.â€
I think this is a sign that the man is delusional. How does he even know his dog, Barney, supports him now? People, the man is not in touch with reality. That he commands an army should make everyone on the planet nervous. What if he decides that Barney really, really wants to go into Iran?
September 28th, 2006 at 12:40 pmbadmoodman,
Barney is Bush’s dog, I think
September 28th, 2006 at 12:41 pmI’m quite sure this “sensitive†information will be leaked by some dishonorable puke sooner or later, and summarily published by the New York Times or Washington Post.
Comment by A+Real+American
Let us hope so, American. I prefer a “dishonorable puke” any day over a “gutless dupe” or tool of Fox News or the Bush Administration. But then again, I repeat myself.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:41 pmAfter Woodward’s lack of truthfulness in the Palme affair you can bet he has lost all credibility.
He’s been an insider (lackey) for the administration from day one you can bet he has no independent thought. Why should anybody believe anything he says? His proximity to the President and all that power has corrupted what ever integrity he has as a reporter.
Hey Bob, you sold your soul long ago.
You’ll lucky the Washington Post even keeps you around. You’re a disgrace to your profession!!
September 28th, 2006 at 12:41 pmBarney is the dog, and is already on to Bush’s bull.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:41 pm#17…Hey Wayne….Don’t want to hijack the thread, but justed wanted to say I am getting very, very nervous about you know what…
September 28th, 2006 at 12:43 pmA+Real+American; G-Dawg
You might see wanting to see what is really going on as siding with the enemy, but to the rest of us, it is called not being totally ignorant morons.
You guys seem inherently interested in calling everyone who is pointing out that your little war is not going to well, what with the lack of any planning involved, terrorist lovers rather then actually being interested in even looking at the evidence and asking yourselves if maybe, just maybe, more could be achieved by changing strategy rather then doing the same thing over and over again hoping for different results.
America’s entering into an important midterm election, where some major shifts are going to take shape. Maybe you should stop calling Americans traitors, and start helping to make those shifts a positive thing, rather then the sorts of things which will see you and your political viewpoint ostracised for decades.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:45 pmBarney is Bush’s dog, I think – - Oh. In that case I’m really glad I forgot that insignificant tidbit of useless information. W. should’ve included the twins in that group too. Umm, maybe they’re too, too precious to him?
September 28th, 2006 at 12:47 pmPS – If I were President I would have all you liberal traitors rounded up and put in a re-education camp. I would make all of you wear (red, white & blue) jumpsuits instead of orange jumpsuits. And you would have to say The Pledge of Allegiance every morning.
Thankfully, only 0.005 percent of Americans also feel this way and you will never be elected to a federal office. Please feel free to take your macho jingoistic chest thumping diatribe to another website where you can fling excrement like an ape and fit right in.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:50 pmRe: Henry Kissinger regularly advises Bush and Cheney
Being old enough to remember the Vietnam War and Henry Kissinger’s role in the illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos, it’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry at this news.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:51 pmWhat does it say about the state of this nation when the alleged leader puts his utmost trust in 1) a dog, and 2) someone who committed manslaughter and got off because of her married name?
September 28th, 2006 at 12:52 pmBruce Gordon-
You and I just have a difference of opinion, my friend. What you see as a failed policy, I see as the begining of a long, long struggle. Has it gone well so far? No as well as we would have it. No good deed goes unpunished, I suppose. 20-30 years from now, we shall see whether or not Bush and his policy were failures. Until then, shut up and support the troops. You libs trashing the leaders of this country at every turn is very demoralizing to our troops and emboldens in the enemy. Was it any surprise that wackjobs like Chavez and Ahmejinedad (or however you spell it) feel they can come here and insult us with impunity in our own country? It is because of fools like you.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:53 pmtrolls……love their job of lieing….wave the nazi flag boys….collect your check from the republic-cons. ‘I’M A “REAL”…American….oh please,holier than thou?….’I'M A REAL REAL REAL American’…..wake up, and grow up.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:55 pmA+Real+American; G-Dawg
Why do you guys love Iraqis so much? Are they so important to you that we have to lose so many soldiers and spend so much money to bring democracy to Iraqis?
I mean, get real. If you love America, then bring our AMERICAN soldiers home, and let’s spend our AMERICAN taxes on AMERICA.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:56 pmG-Dawg: “If I were President I would have all you liberal traitors rounded up and put in a re-education camp.”
I see. And, I take it that you think using Stalin’s and Hitler’s methodology will make this a better country. This is what frightened cowards do. When push comes to shove, they show their affinity to fascism.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:56 pm#12
Don’t worry, [neocons]. I’m quite sure this “sensitive†information will be [covered up] by some dishonorable puke sooner or later, and summarily [hidden] from the New York Times or Washington Post…He’ll make his money, because their are thousands and thousands of [right] -wing kooks out there who will [produce] this trash right up.
Comment by A+Real+American — September 28, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
You’re a fake, little one. Now go away and leave the discussion to the grownups.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:57 pmHey everybody, read my lips: “We are going to get our asses handed to us in Iraq.” The reason is that Bush needs at least 500,000 troops on the ground and he cannot get this without a draft. A draft for Iraq is completely out of the question unless we suffer another 9-11 type of attack. In the hysteria that would follow that likely event no law will be able to stand up to the storm of repression Bush and his people are preparing.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:57 pmA Real A-hole American: “20-30 years from now, we shall see whether or not Bush and his policy were failures. Until then, shut up and support the troops.”
Again, the sound of fascism. Will you cowards grab your balls and show some courage. A system like ours demands courage. You obviously have none.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:59 pmChina Carries Out Test of Fusion Reactor
By ALEXA OLESEN
Associated Press Writer
September 28, 2006, 7:23 AM EDT
OMG get the 101st keyboard chickenhawk brigade of republican fear mongers! The sky is falling, the world is ending reactionary brown shirts and Lunbyankists we must torture more people!!
We gotta put China on the axis of evil list they are using a high flux flow Tesla Toroidal Tokamak reactor!! OMG!!
We must Bomb China Now!!!
Fear, Fear, Torture!, Sky is falling! Illegal Wiretap more Americans! We must remove the rights of the people!
End-Times! Fire and Ice from the Sky! Axis of Evil!
Fear Fear Run Run in circles, Yellow, Red, Magenta Alert!
the Bruce Lee caliphate will kill us all! Millions of little men overrunning America!
/typical republican reaction
September 28th, 2006 at 1:00 pmI knew it!
…I knew the criminal Bushite junta (and their corporate controlled media) were withholding information about the true number and nature of attacks against U.S. troops…
…especially since the Iraq civil war started…
September 28th, 2006 at 1:01 pmIf you support this war, then you don’t support the troops.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:01 pmA+Real+American;
Get real, A+Real+American;
We won the 2nd world war in less time than we have been in Iraq. This is not a war. It is nation building.
If you support the troops already there, then you have only 1 of 2 choices: 1) Send MORE Troops (an additional 150,000 in accordance with 4 star General Shinseki’s original troop level requirement) or 2) bring them home. Leaving the piddly 150,000 troops over there leaves them as sitting ducks. If you REALLY want to put your money where your mouth is, then really make it a war and put in more troops to stabilize the situation.
Bush won’t withdraw, but he also won’t put in more troops to improve the situation. That’s why he’s worthless as Commander in Chief. He says he listens to his generals, but he doesn’t do what they ask.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:02 pmA+Real+American
Support the troops? Last I looked it wasn’t Dick Cheney who was out there fighting, I think his many deferments more then made that argument.
Oh yeah, and don’t criticise the current leadership? Gee I wonder, what countries have that policy again? Oh I know! Dictatorships. Listen boet, if you give up your right to criticise something you see as wrong, you are evil. You are allowing to triumph because you, as a little shit without any moral backbone, decided that it was more important to support your piddling little leader then your country.
Bush is not America. Nor is the Republican party America, and guess what, you aren’t America either. America is an ideal, it is a dream whereby all people are created equal, invested with equal rights which include the right to criticise the government of the day war or no war. You have spent the last six years calling yourself an American and you dare to question that basic premise? You dare to call yourself an American when America’s political system relies on you holding your leaders accountable? Have you no honour man?
And no, it does not take 30 to 40 years to tell if something is going to be a screw-up, it takes looking at the balance sheets, looking at America’s bank account, and figuring out that eventually all of these other nations you guys have been pissing off, are the nations you owe money too and while they might not jump all over you and ask for their money back, they can damn well stop giving you any. No money, no guns, no war, no country.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:02 pmA Real A-hole American: “You libs trashing the leaders of this country at every turn is very demoralizing to our troops and emboldens in the enemy.”
On the day Bill Clinton took office, Rush Limbaugh started a series called “America Held Hostage.” There were troops under fire at the time. I don’t remember any conservatives complaining.
While troops were under fire in Kosovo, Tom Delay said this: “I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
So, Real A-hole American, just cram it.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:04 pmMy brother is in Baghdad, you right wing a$$holes. Don’t think for a second that we don’t support our troops. And they KNOW that we support them, not this hateful war.
One of the great things about America used to be freedom of expression, but you want us to dress like the flag that is now being desecrated, and have your pledge, that, by the way….
Remember all of that BS about leaving “under God” in the pledge? WHAT ABOUT “INDIVISIBLE?!?!?!” Did you forget about that part?
Wake up. Stop coming here and lambasting us with old information that you can’t seem to let go of, and try to do a little bit of good. I don’t know why you are fine with waiting 20-30 years to see good come of a total sham of a war. Will you be dead by then? Your children?
oh that’s right, you don’t care about anyone but yourselves and your leader. You make me sick.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:04 pmCowardly, lying, traitorous Republicans. Everything they do helps the terrorists achieve their goals. They’ve increased the hate, killing, suffering and torture in the world. Osama Bin Laden must be very, very happy with George Bush and his mindless followers. The proper way to defeat the terrorists is to get the bass-ackwards Republicans out of the White House and out of Congress.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:05 pmA+Real+American,
Never, and I mean NEVER, tell a fellow american to “shut up” because you personally do not agree with their views. Challenge their assertions or debate the facts. Only a coward resorts to bullying, and usually because their position is so weak that they know that their argument cannot stand on its own merits. A real american invites dialog and never tries to suppress it.
And g-dawg, you pathetic excuse for a citizen of the US, dissent does not equate to traitorous behavior. Quite frankly, with the number of “traitors” that you imply exits, it would be best for you to slime yourself back under the rock that you crawled out from under. Because, my ignorant friend, by your own admission you are in the minority. However, in a civilized and democratic society opposing viewpoints are welcomed. Only in dictatorships and oppressive regimes is opposition considered to be “traitorous”. Look it up dolt.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:08 pmSo now we have to have three different species of life to agree for the Iraq war to go on. Laura Bush the human (if you can call her that), Barney the dog and George Bush the monkey!
September 28th, 2006 at 1:08 pm“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
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-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
Hey Real American A-hole: You must have been real steamed at Hannity back then, eh?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:09 pmTo truly support our troops, would be to get them the hell out of Iraq NOW!!! This little folly of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others is absolutely ridiculous–we are never going to win and they have bogged down our soldiers, wasted billions of dollars for what? This from the party of “values”.
My ass, they don’t know the meaning of values.
What is even more troubling is the idiot majority party in Congress, who have acquiesed every step of the way, enabling this idiot and his criminal cabinet.
I wouldn’t read Bob Woodward’s book if my life depended on it. He is a tool of the idiot Bush and Cheney and does there bidding in exchange for access. Henry Kissinger is lucky he never went to jail for his war crimes during Vietnam. He is batshit insane, but worse, he is cunning.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:10 pmAbstract. The deuterium–tritium (D–T) burning plasma characteristic in an aspect ratio A=2 tokamak reactor is studied based on a simple equilibrium configuration, the Soloviev-type configuration. Operation limits for the Troyon beta value and for the Greenwald density value as well as for the ITER H-mode confinement scaling are used as the benchmark. It is found that in addition to suitable elongation, large triangularity has advantage for arriving at high beta value and obtaining high fusion power output
OMG DEUTRIUM!!! TRITIUM!! TOKAMAK TERROR!! OMG!!
TROYONS!! THOSE BLOGGERS DID THIS!! Fear Fear!
OMG! Those THEY Are Monitoring the sattelites from the Hermitofascist cave deep under the volcanic lair! Bloggers ALL THEIR FAULT!
September 28th, 2006 at 1:11 pmReal A-hole American and G-Dawg are just jealous that they can’t think for themselves. They are stuck in the Republican spin-cycle, going round-and-round, blathering the same propaganda and rhetoric over and over and over again.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:11 pm“This is President Clinton’s war, and when he falls flat on his face, that’s his problem.”
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-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)
G-Dawg, Real A-hole American, your thoughts?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:11 pmCowardly, lying, traitorous Republicans. …..
Comment by Willy
Hey now, not all Republicans are cowardly, lying, or traitorous. Only the ones who are in denial that they helped to elect Bush who promised in 2000 (during the 2nd debate against Gore) that he did not support nor would engage in Nation Building.
Republicans who are in denial are cowardly because they are are too afraid to admit they made a mistake.
Republicans who are in denial are lying to themselves and have to invent new lies to support their continuing string of rationalizations.
Republicans who are in denial are traitorous because they put their own self interest (refusing to admit a mistake) ahead of the welfare of our troops or the U.S.
G-dawg and REal American: Be brave, don’t lie, and support your troops. Admit that the war in Iraq is a mistake.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:12 pmBob Woodward’s about-face is astonishing. If Woodward who is a Republican and someone who has been pretty blind to Bush’s faults until now, writes a book titled “State of Denial”, things must be as bad as they can get. Bush sounds a bit like Hitler during the final days in the bunker, imagining that the war can be won even as Allied troops are closing in.
The scary thing is, if Bush is as delusional as Woodward says he is, we’re more likely to attack Iran than not.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:16 pm2700+ brave US soldiers dead, plus 630+ US citizen contractors dead. All at $3000.00 /second = $180,000.00 /hour, $11,000,000.00 /day. priorities are?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:18 pmJust to review, two posters named G-Dawg and A-Real-American started calling people who complain or protest “traitors.” I produced a number of quotes from the late 90’s from conservative republicans criticizing Clinton while troops were under fire in Kosovo.
Now, G-Dawg and A Real American A-hole suddenly have nothing to say. Are they cowards? Absolutely. Are they delusional? Heavens, yes. Are they what our founders would call “good Americans?” Good god, not even close.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:18 pmRepublicans need to stop being Bush’s enablers and start putting our country first. They are traitors and should all be tried for treason.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:18 pmFunny how the bush troll patriots always speak of freedom but the little chickens are always the first ones to give up their freedom every time any threat, one small nail. appears, as if George has some superman cape and a telephone booth and can come save them from the image on the TV..lol The man choked on a pretzel and can’t stay on a bicycle, a segway, or keep from dropping his dog. Cheney is about ready for a heart attack and. lol, removing your rights is gonna save you from typhoid ridden, dialysis taking Osama hiding somewhere that george doesn’t care about?
Twisted little kiddos can’t get past the fact that the Republicans are more immoral than the Clenis can they?
Hahahaha
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-
year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to
possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
I’m helping you break out of your media induced spin cycle of ‘Clenis-ism’ G-Dawg and other associated trolls!
September 28th, 2006 at 1:19 pm#20 – The only people with egg on their faces after the Plame/Wilson affair are …. Plame / Wilson. Antiwar activists that used a willing media to lie about his position, his activities and her involvement.
#30 – We are not after oil over there – becuase let me clue you in, if we were, we would already have it. One of the biggest reasons I believe we are there is to spread freedom, something you take for granted. But like all good liberals, I’m sure you think you are the only one entitled to be free. Just like you think your kids should go to private schools, but the poor’s kids need to go to public, or why we should not drive our SUV but you can fly your corporate jet. You just want to be in charge of making the rules, not living by them. Iraqis want to be free just like you do – and 50m people forming 2 democracies in the Middle East will have global implications forever, and George Bush is the man to thank.
OUt.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:19 pmG-Dawg and Friends:
Apparently you have forgotten to take your medication today.
If the majority of Americans got to do the rounding up they would put you and our insane leaders in re-education camps. But I doubt this would happen since it is only you and our leaders who think like that.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:19 pmAAAmerican & GDawg,
September 28th, 2006 at 1:21 pmGOOD NEWS! The Army is now enlisting High school droputs, petty criminals and Real Americans up to the age of 40! Time to take your foot out of your mouths and start marching to Baghdad. I understand there is a prize winner every 15 minutes over there now!
56…wake up! We are there for Cheney’s kickbacks from Halliburton and war profiteering for Bush’s cronies. They are criminals.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:22 pmAnastasia,
September 28th, 2006 at 1:22 pmYou give woodward far too much credit. In fact, his credibility has been gone for quite some time now. I personally would not read a thing that comes from him nor would I do anything to promote his “works”. In my opinion, anyone who gives woodward any credence would also accept journalistism ethics advice from jason blair. In other words, they would be an idiot on a galactic scale.
bonesTwo: “One of the biggest reasons I believe we are there is to spread freedom”
How’s that working out, bones? And, I mean how is it working in the real world?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:23 pmBonesTwo: “The only people with egg on their faces after the Plame/Wilson affair are …. Plame / Wilson. Antiwar activists that used a willing media to lie about his position, his activities and her involvement.”
Do you have even the slightest idea what Valerie Plame was doing for this country? Can you for one moment be truthful enough with yourself to consider what the Republican congress of the ’90s would have done if it came out that Clinton ruined a long-running intelligence asset that was tracking the proliferation of illegal nuclear weapons?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:27 pmbonesTwo,
If you can specifically explain how an occupying army who is oppressing an entire nation against their will is spreading “freedom” without having your head explode from the monumental contradiction, I would love to hear it.
And bonehead, in light of the incredibly fuzzy noble and urgent cause that you try to imply exists, if you have not enlisted in the military with the specific request of being sent to Iraq, then you are not just a coward, but also a lying and treacherous coward.
So, boy, what is it?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:30 pmWonder if this book will be posted on the White House webpage as a must read?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:34 pmWe are not after oil over there – becuase let me clue you in, if we were, we would already have it -bonestwo
Lemme see here Aqaba pipeline, Rumsfeld, Saddam. Google.
Yeh your a regular genius bonestwo
September 28th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
you really are totally clueless aren’t you?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:36 pmTypical. G-Dawg and A-Real-American-Ahole vomit out some profoundly unAmerican fascist nonsense — people respond with facts and, like the fearful, self-loathing cowards they are, G-Dawg and A-hole slink back into their dark holes. G-Dawg, A-hole: I suggest you pick up an American history text — maybe the one you ignored when you took history. Review the words and writings of our Nation’s founders. Try to find any founder who equated criticism of our leaders with treason. If you can find one legitimate, in-context quote from anyone who signed our constitution which supports your opinion that dissent equals treason, I will never post a challenge to you on this board again. Go for it you cowardly little unamerican bitches!
September 28th, 2006 at 1:36 pmlike you think your kids should go to private schools, but the poor’s kids need to go to public, or why we should not drive our SUV but you can fly your corporate jet. You just want to be in charge of making the rules, not living by them.
Comment by bonesTwo — September 28, 2006 @ 1:19
Hey bones. Ever heard of the band, Tool? Did you know you are a tool? A tool of every stinking rich Republican CEO who sends his kids to private school and flies the corporate jet. I, as a liberal Democrat, send my kids to public school and drive a Dodge minivan.
Get real bones. The ones making the rules are those who want to eliminate the estate tax, those whose “estate” by the way are $3 million or more. The ones who get a tax break for sending jobs overseas and whose taxes on corporate dividends are at 15% unlike you and me who pay through the nose.
Your being used, Mr. bones-tool. Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox, Coulter, and the rest of the MSM are tools of corporate America and they’ve got you thinking that Democrats are the source of all that is wrong in America.
Last I knew, Congress, the President, and now most of the Supreme Court are are Republican.
What a poor deluded, unthinking tool you are.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:38 pmSo what? We know he’s fighting what he thinks is a righteous war and that he doesn’t seem to suffer the affects of self reflection and doubt. The real question is how the heartland will vote in November – can they still believe in a man who would take their hard earned money and redistribute it amongst the top 2%? It makes me yearn for the day when we were fighting over whether or not catsup was a vegetable.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThe more time trolls & W apologists/media whores post their boring, pathetic drivel at liberal sites, the less time those same trolls are actually trying to sway undecided voters to pull the lever for the GOP come Election Day
Oh no, the trolls have to make a decision, either admit that their beliefs are only in the “lip service” category which will result in still more non-stop lying whines at an uninterrupted clip, or they’ll actually try living up to their beliefs by getting others to vote for the GOP, in which case less whiny liars to slog through on the liberal sites
Truly, a Win Win all the way around
And since no one implements al-Qaeda’s “Freedom Hating” agenda & appeases Usama bin Laden more quickly than W, then perhaps the idea of President Jr being an al-Qaeda operative is one that should be discussed as widely as possible before the election
Oh yeah, if you have a chance to actually vote against one of these radical, bloodthirsty W lackeys pushing a neocon fantasy for attacking Iran & Syria, stain your finger purple with either a marker or an inkpad, and if any media’s at the polls, play up to the cameras
It’s about time W & the GOP decided that the US should be as free as they insist on for the Iraqis
Notice also, the Administration and GOP are NOT talking about how popular an attack on Iran is with the voters, well, there’s a reason for that
It’s An Idea The Voters Do NOT Agree With
A majority of Americans want the United States to increase diplomatic efforts over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, while 70 percent oppose the use of U.S. troops to thwart Iran, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Thursday.
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One in four respondents, 26 percent, said they supported the use of U.S. ground troops in Iran, while 70 percent opposed it. Nine percent favored air strikes on selected military targets in Iran.
Poor W & the GOP, this was supposed to be yet another easy run for Karl Rove & the National Security strategy
Well, as W’s own intelligence agencies have found a higher threat of terrorism for the US via W’s Iraq MeatGrinder Crusade, and seeing as how the US military is so incompetently Administered by Donald Rumsfeld, it’s obvious that there will be NO attack on Iran
Thanks to W’s disastrous masquerade of “I’m A War President”-in the mistaken belief it would help W forget all about his clear physical cowardice by using Affirmative Action to leapfrog over 500 more-qualified applicants for that Air National Guard spot-the Neocon blood-fueled sexual fantasy of permanent military superiority and US Hegemony has crashed & burned in the sands of Iraq
The neocons know their time in power is rapidly coming to a close, so don’t be surprised to see them and the GOP try and start taking back some of that Imperial Power W’s claimed for himself, as they don’t want to be on the receiving end of those same unchecked powers from a liberal or Dem President that they cheered on so lustily when it was W only pushing these UnConstitutional Claims
September 28th, 2006 at 1:40 pm69….Catsup is a vegatable and trees cause pollution – Ronald Raygun
September 28th, 2006 at 1:42 pmA Real American:
“No good deed goes unpunished, I suppose…shut up…fools like you.”
So, I guess progressives/liberals are going to be eternally punished. OK, we can deal with that.
G-Dawg:
“If I were President I would have all you liberal traitors rounded up and put in a re-education camp.â€
This is second time I have seen you post this drivel. Third time and you’re out….outside locked in your dog house, muzzled.
bonestwo:
September 28th, 2006 at 1:42 pm“But like all good liberals, I’m sure you think you are the only one entitled to be free. Just like you think your kids should go to private schools, but the poor’s kids need to go to public, or why we should not drive our SUV but you can fly your corporate jet. You just want to be in charge of making the rules, not living by them. ”
LOL – liberals are flying corporate jets??, liberals are sending their kids to private schools?? liberals are not living by the rules. ROTFL. OK, I’m sold. Which comedy club are you appearing in? Yes, I’ll pay to see your act. You’re hilarious!
If Bush really thinks he’s fighting a “righteous war,” why does he keep the details secret?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:42 pmbob woodward is now attempting to rehab his image, but it’s too late..we are entrenched in an untenable situation because guys like bob w. joined the establishment, instead of defending right and wrong..in orwell’s nightmare, eventually, the defenders of the faith get sucked in and become what they loathed because of the prestige and perks, in this case, accesability..sad, to think a journalist od wodward’s stature sold out because he forgot were he made his “mark” to begin with..
September 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pmTalk about complete smack downs. This is a fun thread. C’mon ARA and others of your ilk put something else out so you can be trounced some more. Or how about looking for facts and back them up? didn’t think so.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:46 pmWoodward has lost all credibillity. He is another who has sold his soul to the devil. His journalism is like a windsock.
He watched, even aided, the run up to the war. He writes a nice book about Georgie. Now that the war is failing, people are angry and looking for the tar and feathers, Woodward inches over to the side of criticism.
He needs to accept his part in all of this; he also needs to accept responsibility for his role in the Valerie Plame affair. Woodward is a hack now.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:46 pmMaybe what he says is true in this book but who can take him at his word?
He simply prefers to sell books.
#56 – “One of the biggest reasons I believe we are there is to spread freedom, something you take for granted.”
So, when was it that you served in the military? If you don’t take your freedom’s for granted (like you imply) then you must have done something to secure those freedoms.
I served in the US Army from 1986-1990. If I was still in the service, I would have honored my comittment and have gone to war to find all those pesky WMD’s that Pres. Bush assured us were over there just waiting to be used.
So, BonesTwo, when did you serve your country? Hmmm???
Liberals believe the US Constitution isn’t “multiple choice”. Regressives believe that the second amendment trumps the first and fourth because the NRA has told them to believe it.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:47 pmBush will not achieve victory in Iraq no matter how forceful he is. He is stupid and he does not listen to advice of experienced people. Bush can talk & talk & talk for all he wants; but, he will just lead our military to metastizing unless the military brass puts a stop to his ignorant hubris. 3 years of quagmire in Iraq is a good enough indication of worse things to come. On the 1st year after the invasion, Iraq could have been had if only Bush had a good post-war plan. Bush, Cheney, Runsfeld, Rice are all delusional, no was experience of any sort, their life experiences do not give them any clue how to handle an enterprise such as Iraq and the war on terror (bad name actually). Woodward is an apologist, Kissinger is a double-dealing two-faced neo-Nazi, all losers.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:50 pmDemocrat Soldier: BonesTwo is in a different army — the fighting keyboarders, rushing to their keyboards to type out passionate calls for other people’s kids to engage in more killing and fighting. A brave lot indeed. He’s doing his part, fighting the good fight in his pajamas while eating Cheetos.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:52 pm#
Why do you liberals always side with the enemy?
It’s amazing how many traitors we have in America.
PS – If I were President I would have all you liberal traitors rounded up and put in a re-education camp. I would make all of you wear (red, white & blue) jumpsuits instead of orange jumpsuits. And you would have to say The Pledge of Allegiance every morning.
Comment by G-Dawg — September 28, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
I keep seeing you post this absolute horseshit here and I keep wondering the same thing…
Judd, How many times does this little punk have to make these threats before you get rid of him?
As to your argument G-Dawg, MANY of us here have spent YEARS presiding over reveille and/or taps on various US military bases throughout the world (including Iraq and Afghanistan). I’ve never seen you offer your service record. You believe that since we don’t march in lockstep with your myopic, shortsighted and twisted ideology (only someone with NO knowledge of how this nation was founded would advocate that we torture detainees; in short a traitor) we are “traitors”. I could rattle off a half dozen quotes from men who signed the Declaration of Independance refuting your argument but, sadly, I know it would be lost on you. Your side, it seems, has no care for the real history of this nation. You would rather rewrite it to match your tunnelled world view. Either way, you and your ilk impugn our patriotism at your own risk. It’s time for your side of the aisle to realize that we are ALL Americans (whether we always agree or not) and that, we’re in this together. It’s like the phenomenal book, “All I needed to learn, I learned in Kindergarten says”: either we start working together to make a brighter future for ALL Americans (even if they don’t always share our views) or we will cease to be the shining beacon on the hill of Liberty that President Ronald Reagan spoke about. Sadly, with the advocation of torture and the suspension of Habeus Corpus going on in Congress right now, I would argue that it may already be too late but I refuse to give up.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:52 pm“This is so fascinating. Kissinger’s fighting the Vietnam War again because, in his view, the problem in Vietnam was we lost our will.â€
Interestingly enough, I think history has shown that when Viet Nam finally did fall, the rest of the dominoes did not.
So, what were we fighting for in Viet Nam? The problem in Viet Nam wasn’t will. It was a coherent reason for being there.
Interesting thought experiment. Let’s say we stay the course another 10 years and bring Democracy to Iraq.
Does that mean the dominoes will fall across the Middle East? Does this mean a Democractic Iraq will cause the House of Saud to relinquish their power? Does this mean that the mullahs in Iran will relinquish their theocracy? Will this bring prosperity to the poor in the Middle East who become terrorists because they are poor?
I doubt that EVEN IF we establish democracy in Iraq, that democracy will spread like wildfire in the Middle East.
Democracy comes from within, not from foreigners.
Smoke that in your pipe Bones.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:53 pmWhy listen to anything Woodward reports? He’s proved himself a hack for Bush, and now that Bush is going down, Woodward is trying to redeem his credibility. Too late, Bob.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:55 pmKissinger, eh? I wonder if Hitchens’ marinated head will expolode.
September 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmWhy listen to anything Woodward reports? He’s proved himself a hack for Bush, and now that Bush is going down, Woodward is trying to redeem his credibility. Too late, Bob.
Comment by Joel — September 28, 2006 @ 1:55 pm
Why does Woodward always publish something just before an election?
September 28th, 2006 at 1:57 pm“…when Mr. Bush had key Republicans to the White House to discuss Iraq, he told them, “I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.â€
Soon, they will be the only ones supporting him!
September 28th, 2006 at 2:02 pmYes indeed. Woodward seems to publish every two years, right in line with each election cycle.
Bush at War (April 2002) about the path to war with Afghanistan following September 11;
Plan of Attack (November 2004) about how and why President George W. Bush decided to go to war with Iraq.
State of Denial (September 2006)
September 28th, 2006 at 2:02 pmGo screw yourself Bob Woodward. You big looser. Anything you write is suspect. You gave up your honesty credentials a long ago to become a Bush buddy.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:08 pm81,
Good point. There is virtually zero evidence supporting the Domino Theory.
However, the fact is, despite the rhetoric, BushCo doesn’t actually want democracy in the Middle East! In fact, there’s a long history of U.S. support for overthrowing democratically-elected leaders and replacing them with dictators (as in Iran) or attempts to destablize them (as with Hamas right now.) The idea is to give the illusion of free elections while controlling the outcome.
If the people of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait were given the vote, we know that the House of Saud would fall and the U.S. would lose its cozy relationship with the dictators who control the oil spigots.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pmMarie #76
Though i agree w/ you on your point about Woodward’s just wanting to sell books, I believe Woodward (this time)…
…I’ve had this sneaking suspicion for a while now that the true nature of attacks against U.S. troops have been hidden…
…I also agree with billy c bowden #74…
…Woodward NOW wants to repair his lost credibility…
September 28th, 2006 at 2:13 pmHowever, the fact is, despite the rhetoric, BushCo doesn’t actually want democracy in the Middle East!
Comment by War4Sale — September 28, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
Ha! I keep forgetting that originally we went to Iraq because of WMDs. Then it was Al Qaeda, and then I guess lastly it was to bring heaven sent democracy to the poor ignorant Iraqis.
Right. The whole democracy arguement is nothing but a sham to cover up their fiasco, mistake, blunder, error, misjudgement, gaffe, misstep, failure, slip, slip-up, blooper, debacle, flop, muddle, disaster, bone-headed move, or whatever you want to call it.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmRight. The whole democracy arguement is nothing but a sham to cover up their fiasco, mistake, blunder, error, misjudgement, gaffe, misstep, failure, slip, slip-up, blooper, debacle, flop, muddle, disaster, bone-headed move, or whatever you want to call it.
Comment by Realist
or plan
September 28th, 2006 at 2:19 pmG-Dawg: “If I were President I would have all you liberal traitors rounded up and put in a re-education camp.
I am an honorably discharged Vietnam Vet….what about you? I am a liberal and I would like for you to try rounding me up. You and the people that you support are the real traitors, yet your are too intellectually challenged to know it. Come 2007, surprise, surprise, surprise…we will see who gets rounded up!
September 28th, 2006 at 2:27 pm“I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.â€
If Dear Leader actually said this then he should be forced to tell us what is his plan is beyond “stay the F-in course/adapt to friggin win” because what they are doing now ain’t worknin’. Its just getting Americans and Iraqis killled. Is his plan to continue the slaughter forever or does he have a plan to succeed in whatever it is he is trying to do.
We, the American people deserve an answer!
September 28th, 2006 at 2:33 pmYou guys are a bunch of wackos. If you don’t think the info that’s been released over the past month or so does not in the slightest vindicate Bush you are flying blind. Who was the “long-running intelligence asset that was tracking the proliferation of illegal nuclear weapons”? Your question is invalid since the assumption it is based on is false – that is the point – YOU are the one being duped by a couple of fame seeking desk jockeys.
And in terms of spreading freedom – the military does an excellent job and so do those that support it. People who have served in the military are the only ones qualified to comment on freedom? What about other military matters? I sure see plenty of posts here about what should and shouldnt be done in Iraq, etc. – are the only ones qualified to comment former military? I’m guessing this is just your convenient trump card becuase wihtout it your arguments fall apart. But I do thank you for your service.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:37 pm“The idea is to give the illusion of free elections while controlling the outcome.”
just like here.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThis is it?
This is the big scoop in Woodward’s book?
This is not exactly news. Anybody who is not a deluded neocon already knows this.
Woodward spends two years writing a book and this is the best insight he can come up with? That things are worse in Iraq than Bush is willing to admit.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:44 pmIf ALL TRUTH is labeled TOP SECRET, then leaks are, you know, inevitible.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:48 pmThat’s why, when I hear something has been leaked, I figure it’s TRUTH.
If ALL TRUTH is labeled TOP SECRET, then all non-TOP SECRET information dispensed is by default FALSE. That’s why, when the talking heads and Administration lackies say ANYTHING, I know it’s a LIE. Look at that, George Bush, I finally figured out how your world works!
If you say “we’re winning”, then I know we’re losing.
If you say “they’re guilty”, then I know they’re innocent.
If you say “it’s good for Americans”, then I know it’s another disaster for our country.
Life will be so much simpler now that I don’t have to sort out the lies from the truth by researching facts anymore… I can be just like you!
Woodward brags about talking to 200 top Bush officials. And no doubt they fed him all kinds of classified info. And after two years and all the investigations his biggest scoop is that the Iraq war isn’t going well.
You have to be stupid to waste your money on this book.
No doubt Woodward once again got a fat cat book deal. He gets to keep his access to the GOP power structure for his next book deal.
The only suckers are the idiots who spend their hard earned money to buy his books.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pmBOB WOODWARD IS A DISGUSTING OPPORTUNIST. HE SEES THE WRITING ON THE WALL. THE REPUBLICANS ARE FALLING FROM POWER. THE NEXT PRESIDENT WILL BE A DEMOCRAT. THE DEMOCRATS COULD TAKE THE HOUSE, MAYBE EVEN THE SENATE. WOODWARD LIKES ACCESS. HE KNEW PLENTY THAT HE DIDN’T SAY IN THE FIRST TWO BOOKS, BUT HE DIDN’T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE HIS ACCESS. HE IS NOT A JOURNALIST ANYMORE. HE IS A CHEAP OPPORTUNIST. HE TELLS THE ‘TRUTH’ WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT FOR HIM. AND IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM.
September 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pmI sure see plenty of posts here about what should and shouldnt be done in Iraq, etc. – are the only ones qualified to comment former military? I’m guessing this is just your convenient trump card becuase wihtout it your arguments fall apart. But I do thank you for your service.
Comment by bonesTwo — September 28, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
From Wikipedia:
General Eric Ken Shinseki (born November 28, 1942) served as the 34th Chief of Staff of the United States Army (1999 – 2003). He is the first Asian American four-star general in U.S. history and the first Asian American to lead one of the four military services. During his tenure, he initiated an innovative but controversial plan to make the Army more strategically deployable and mobile in urban terrain by creating Stryker Interim-Force Brigade Combat Teams. His long-term initiative was called Objective Force and the main long-term weapons program he pushed was the Future Combat Systems.
He is famous for his remarks to the Senate Armed Services committee before the war in Iraq in which he said “something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers” would probably be required for post-war Iraq. Secretaries Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz publicly disagreed with his estimate.
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September 28th, 2006 at 3:11 pmBones, why do you want to watch American Soldiers die needlessly because we have too few troops in Iraq?
this reminds me of the NYT reporter who broke the secret prisons story. How long has Woodward been working on this book? How long has he known all of these things, and how long has he sat on it till his book was finished? Would this information have been useful before now?
Journalism?
September 28th, 2006 at 3:12 pmCronyism more likely. Anything for a buck, no matter how many die in the interim.
And in terms of spreading freedom – the military does an excellent job….
But I do thank you for your service.
Comment by bonesTwo — September 28, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
Is it the U.S. Military’s mission to spread freedom? The last time I looked, they were the U.S. Department of DEFENSE. (DoD).
Oh, and by the way, you’re welcome.
September 28th, 2006 at 3:15 pm95,
Xactly.
September 28th, 2006 at 3:18 pmRe:Harper, post 18….
Actually Tony Blair is Bush’s Dog….
September 28th, 2006 at 3:28 pmBarney is one of the props Bush uses for Photo-ops.
Woodward, sensing he’s been bolstering and protecting a now hated US admin. is now writing criticisms of Bush, in a last ditch effort to restore some shreds his badly damaged credibility.
He’d rather change stripes and take to a lifeboat instead of going down with the Bush ship.
Opportunity knocks – last call, Bob W.!
September 28th, 2006 at 3:33 pmWoodward’s awkward, self-interested attempts at redemption are too little too late. I don’t buy it!
September 28th, 2006 at 3:34 pmHey G-Dawg, that may happen soon. Good to know you’re volunteering to jangle the keys; I thought they got most of that lot at Nuremberg.
September 28th, 2006 at 3:38 pmHow cute, another fluff book by a republican…As they slap you on the back at dinner parties, pretend they care, and people pretendinf to listen to your idiotic blatherings, your ego and pocketbook gets stroked…However ALL knowing your full of Bulls**t?
OOOOh! – The book cover is red, must mean you’ve done some serious work there BW, huh? As just another of a string tour overblown fluff book that will as usual just pat the fascist on the head…But you really feel & believe your the elite now…Your hestarical! At those cocktail parties given for your new pontificating crap…will you get laid, Does it matter to an old goat? Do you really believe your doing any good in this world? It’s all about the money isn’t it booby, you old, old SOB…What else does an old liar have to do with his life…only so many trips to the Hampton’s for more pretend & phoniness…but you will never recognized the difference.
September 28th, 2006 at 3:39 pmBlair isn’t Bush’s dog; he’s his b*tch
September 28th, 2006 at 3:45 pmHere is the pattern:
Certain Republican’s get into office and do bad things. They hire lackeys to do those bad things more effectively. Instead of actually, you know, refusing to do bad things, those lackeys keep a journal of the bad things they are doing and plan for retirement.
Eventually the Republicans in this situation, get bored of seeing the same face everyday and so the lackey gets fired. The lackey, knowing that his days are numbered, writes a book detailing the bad things he knew about. Meanwhile we are all supposed to be impressed with that lackey revealing those same bad things which he personally helped along.
The media makes a certain amount of noise about the book, sales are enough to make the lackey, now claiming to be reformed, fairly comfortable in his retirement, and the next lackey gets hired to help those same Republicans continue to do bad things.
Maybe a few of these lackeys need to speak up when the events are actually current, you know, blow the whistle and then we will be impressed. Tell-all books are the stuff of tabloid journalists, actually standing up to power is the stuff of heroes.
September 28th, 2006 at 3:49 pmNow that I think about it, we haven’t seen the whole book yet, just the sexy title, and some “teasers” about what Woodward’s supposedly now saying about Bush.
We may discover the book in fact is full of whitewashing and apologies for the Bush gang that couldn’t shoot straight.
What a week: We have the NIE report revealing the Iraq war has not only failed as part of the war on terror, but that Bush’s war has AIDED and BOLSTERED the cause of Islamic terrorism!
Also, a new poll by a reliable polling firm, came out showing the vast majority of Iraqis want the US army OUT of their country IMMEDIATELY,
including a majority of Shiites who formerly were more tolerant of US presence. Evidently, Iraqi consensus is the US “freedom army” is a big part of the problem, not part of any solution to current woes.
What credible rationale can still exist justifying continuing US military presence in Iraq?
September 28th, 2006 at 4:01 pmWhile I’ve been a critic of Woodward for being too close to the Kool-Aid pitcher, it does seem like he has allowed the facts to change his mind, something that George Bush is incapable of.
We all make mistakes; it’s our willingness to keep searching for the truth, no matter how painful that separates the men from the boys and the womwn from the girls.
Bush is a classic case of someone who is so stuck they will “stay the course” even though the iceberg is dead ahead. While Woodward was too trusting of Bush in the begining, he at least is facing reality, even if it is late in the game.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:01 pmthere are problems in Iraq? Really??
September 28th, 2006 at 4:02 pmIf he says 4,000, it is more likely 8,000. Either way, it’s good news:
Terror tape says 4,000 foreign fighters killed in Iraq
September 28, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — A man identified as the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq said on an audiotape Thursday that more than 4,000 foreign fighters have died battling the U.S.-led coalition and Iraqi troops.
“We poured so much of our blood in Iraq,” said the tape’s speaker, purportedly new al Qaeda in Iraq chief Abu Hamza al-Muhajer.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:03 pmPS. I don’t think we should punish jurnos like Woodward once they see the light about Bush, because it makes it harder for the next guy to admit he was wrong.
Call me crazy but I think Bush can be impeached; it’s a real possibility if the Dems take the Senate and the House. The more the mainstream media gets Bush’s incompetency, the more likely impeachment will happen.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:11 pmWait – stop the press – gosh why would an Al Queda leader be commenting on a battle in Iraq if Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terror?
Dumb question, but one that the Democratic party can’t seem to answer.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:11 pmBut it was supposed to be a cakewalk and they would all mob us like Paris ‘44, since this didn’t happen, it’s all the liberal media’s fault for telling us Bush is naked!
September 28th, 2006 at 4:12 pmI just can’t understand why people, even on this thread, still support the current policy when it is such a failure. Picture Bush and his advisors running a smaller deparartment such as DYFS, or social security or FEMA instead of the whole government. How long would it take for them to be fired for incompetence? No one would stand for it, so why should he still keep getting breaks! I guess that the higher the office, the easier it is to pin the blame on someone else.
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September 28th, 2006 at 4:45 pm#28 I see as the begining of a long, long struggle.
A long struggle for what? Unless you care a lot more about the Iraqi people than I suspect you do, what is to be gained from this struggle?
Are you satisfied with your healthcare and what it costs you? How is your salary keeping up with your expenses? Everything hunky-dory with the infrastructure in your town or countryside? The outcome of this war is what you care about?
If you care about the Iraqi people, you’d support a troop withdrawal. It’s the only thing that will help them right now.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:47 pmWait – stop the press – gosh why would an Al Queda leader be commenting on a battle in Iraq if Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terror?
Dumb question, but one that the Democratic party can’t seem to answer.
Comment by bonesTwo
Ask the Iraqi Born Ahmed Chalabi of the INC…seems he had all the answers, remember curveball?
September 28th, 2006 at 4:50 pmHegelian Dialectic is uncomprehendable to the Bush Trolls.
September 28th, 2006 at 4:55 pmHey G-Dawg….go enlist you phony. Just shut the F up and go fight for your beliefs. You’re an A-List idiot.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:05 pmG-Dawg wants us all “rounded up and put in a re-education camp.”
Guess he wasn’t around when Mao Tse-Tung, Ho Chi Minh, and Pol Pot were doing exactly that to people who didn’t buy their party lines.
Scratch a Bushevik, you’ll find a Bolshevik underneath.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:15 pmMr. Woodward’s point is that Bush is a liar. For anyone who is a wake that is a given.
I admit I have not read all the postings here.
There are two opposing strands which I think are both missing a saliant point. Bush lied to the American People and the world in order to gain some support for his project to attack Iraq. What has been done is by any definition immoral, illegal, and contemtable.
America can no more win this attack than you can win the attack, rape, and murder of anyone. If you side with and justify the actions of the attacker you deserve the world’s contempt. If you say it is possible to convince the victim of your crimes that you were only trying to be of help you have crossed over to the side of the attacker.
You have but one virtuous coarse of action and that is to leave Iraq now, today, immediatly! You are the attackers leave it to others to salve the wounds of the victims of your carnage in Iraq. You can not make good out of your crimes.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:20 pmA+Real+American; G-Dawg …
September 28th, 2006 at 5:21 pmyou both sound rather “fascist” to me, but that’s to be expected of people who obviously don’t understand the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Impose your beliefs on others and eliminate anyone that disagrees with you. I’m sure you both could get good positions with the Castro government.
G-Dawg – the color jump suit has nothing to do with being pro-American. Enough young Americans have died in Iraq; can you tell us for what? What is winning this ‘war’ supposed to look like, you the fashion coordinator?
September 28th, 2006 at 5:44 pmYou don’t understand. Bush is spreading democracy.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:44 pmCheck my Captain Democracy cartoon at UncleSammySays.com
#128 –
September 28th, 2006 at 5:46 pmI could use a couple dump truck loads of that “democracy” to winterize my vegetable garden.
Amazing lemmings these republofascists. Confronted with facts, doesn’t matter. Confronted with the words of their enemies, don’t listen. Confronted with the military lessons of history, too stupid to comprehend. Confronted with the bancruptcy of their country, will spend till there is no money to fund the troops. confronted with the senseless deaths of US troops, not their children they could care less. Confronted with the lies their leaders have told to steal power and money to enrich themselves and their friends, they vote against their best interests. This is insanity, and when confronted with this degree of failure to percieve reality, you must remove the insane to keep them from hurting themselves and everyone else.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:52 pmWhen Mr. Bush had key Republicans to the White House to discuss Iraq, he told them, “I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.â€
I’ll glad Mr Bush finally found an honest member in his cabinet, but should the leader of the free world really be psychotic enough to be making purple dinosaur threats against other countries without the men in the white coats taking him away?
September 28th, 2006 at 6:08 pmbones (comment # 130) made an interesting point. In this great country of America we have always tried to take care of our indigent. The more prosperous we become, the more generous we become to the less fortunate.
The Rethuglicans have weaved together a coalition of un-educated, one-track mind groups having many different agenda’s; but the common is a willingnes to believe what is told them rather than taking the time to do the research themselves.Too busy, catch the local news once in a while, seen a dog rescued, caught the local weather. Busy. Busy.
Almost every person I know or am acquainted with who reads much from around the world is skeptical of this administration’s every word, action or non-action; so much so that they, hopefully, will vote in enough numbers to overcome any potential voting machine problems. We will save them from their own delusions out of kindness; because we can and we care.
These people are not traitors; they simply do not suffer fools gladly.
Dan the Cab Man
September 28th, 2006 at 6:22 pmAs a Canadian, I can definately say that it is much better to live outside of the US and watch the struggle that is going on inside that country. We at least have more opportunities to get an objective view point from non Fox or CNN sources. One thing I don’t understand is why so many Americans complain of being “fooled” by Bush. From the outside it seems impossible that anyone could watch the major networks and actually fall for what was formerly known as journalism. It is so obviously slanted that most people outside of the US don’t even take it seriously. How can anyone listen to the Republican “talking point” answers to journalists questions and feel that they are getting the truth? Trust those polls that say that most of the world has a negative view of this administration, it’s not a bunch of crap as the GOP would have you believe.
September 28th, 2006 at 6:27 pm#89 big papa
September 28th, 2006 at 7:17 pmI’d like to feel as you do, and believe that Woodward is suffering fromstrongs pangs of conscience and is trying to atone for the past glorifications of Bush — I hope you’re right. I sure do want to believe Woodward, because I believe Bush is the worst president we’ve ever had, and I want history to record him truly.
Regardless, Woodward will make the rounds and talk about what he has written, and that, in itself, will at least add to the growing mountain of criticism of Bush and his lies – so perhaps some people will finally wake up.
D-Dawg, A Real American, and Bonestwo; goosestepping in their jackboots, swastikas, and brownshirts(or is that browned shorts?)
September 28th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
#133 Jason
September 28th, 2006 at 7:26 pmI appreciate your thoughtful post. As an American, I am embarrassed that there are so many among us so ill-informed and easily persuaded by political talking points. Some of us who have become news junkies were (figuratively) jumping up and down, trying to get the attention of the populace and the congress that Bush’s assertions were half-baked, unprovable, and should not be given credibility, certainly not in sufficiency to take us to war, but the political machine of Bush is grotesquely powerful.
Perhaps it is pride now that keeps so many from acknowledging what is before their eyes in the man of Bush, and acknowledging that the rest of the world is more objective than we are and can see more clearly.
The attack of 9/11 stupefied Americans – it was a horror we had never experienced before and Bush took advantage of the national shock to brainwash them.
“when Mr. Bush had key Republicans to the White House to discuss Iraq, he told them, “I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.â€
Mr Bush, can you say, ‘Dictator’?
September 28th, 2006 at 9:36 pm#137
September 28th, 2006 at 9:56 pmThat is an incredibly telling comment by Bush. He will never ever admit failure, never admit error, and never change his ways, no matter what it costs, what it takes — as if that is some kind of bravado on his part. It is a perversion of leadership that he would continue to let our guys die, along with anyone else who gets in the way because he (and his gross ego) will never back down.
Is Woodward back to being a hard hitting journalist instead of being, well…a wimp?
September 28th, 2006 at 10:03 pmHey, I agree with all those posts bashing g-dawg, a-hole, and bones. Let just post this simple idea. I don’t believe it but you never know.
Do you wonder if thoses anonomyous posters (g-dawg, a-hole, and bones) put up such inflmaitory writings on purpose? I mean, I have yet to see a single moderate conservative on this board. And if these were posted just to generate disucssion then who was the poster? A well wishing liberal? The NY Times itself? Is it laudable to generate discussion in this manner, based on false premise? Or is it reprehensible becuase the poster is presenting himself and his beliefs falsely?
September 29th, 2006 at 12:17 amBy bones I meant, of course, bonestwo
September 29th, 2006 at 12:27 amright on Juizzee
September 29th, 2006 at 1:34 amSr. Pescado sayz
Viva La Revolucion, Viva El Frente
So what Bush is plainly saying is:
“I don’t give a crap what anyone else in the world thinks… I just know I’m right.”
Whoa there King George… Really? Based on what – how right you have been on everything else? You are a really scary dude.
September 29th, 2006 at 2:20 am——————-
I know Barney, Barney is a friend of mine, and frankly Mr. Bush, Barney thinks you are a stone cold moron just like the rest of us…. and Laura is just trying to be nice.
OMG. DO WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY WHEN IT’S ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE WILL LISTEN TO HIS DOG BEFORE HIS CONSTITUENCY?
YOU, ME, OUR FRIENDS, OUR COMMUNITY–WE EACH NEED TO GET OUT AND VOTE IN NOVEMBER. WE NEED CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY. RIGHT OR LEFT OR CENTER..IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOUR AFFILIATION.
I ASK. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO ELECT THOSE WHO CARE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION TO OFFICE?
THIS COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE FOLKS–IN TROUBLE AT ITS CORE.
September 29th, 2006 at 2:27 amG-Dawg #14
I know you crave the attention… that’s why you try so hard to get under intelligent people’s skin.
So.. if you were president, you would “put all liberals in a camp, dress us in red, white, and blue jumpsuits, and force us to say the pledge of allegiance”?
Maybe you could waterboard us too, huh. Maybe put us in nude pyramids, or behead a few?
Does that sound like America to you?
So, you are saying you are against the freedoms that the constitution gives ALL Americans?
Why do you hate the Constitution?
September 29th, 2006 at 2:29 amWhy do you hate my freedoms?
Why are you just like the terrorists?
Sounds like you are the traitor – you side with the enemy.
All the generals say if Bush intends on crushing the insurgency, which one would assume must be done in order to “win”, “MORE TROOPS ARE NEEDED”.
Bush won’t send more troops because it would hurt the Reptiles in this election, so he cares more about politics than our troops already in Iraq who are under fire and over-extended.
September 29th, 2006 at 2:45 amso absurd that we are loosing friends comrades and kind of relatives for the sake of being hard and strong on an issue of failure.
September 29th, 2006 at 3:39 ammy advice to the world’s strongman is to turn back to the roots i.e seek God to be your inevitable surpport as it looks soon or later u will be under a tense fustration.
May the Lord bless the world.
stick to God strongman, otherwise u are loosing more than this compared to what’s going on around you.
September 29th, 2006 at 4:12 amGod bless the world.
Bob Woodward’s active participation in the sliming of Valerie Plame, while all the time secretly concealing that he knew who had leaked her CIA ID, was the final straw in the political haystack that made me mistrust him for life.
Why should we buy yet another book from this man when his aim is hardly to inform the country he professes to love, but to just make more money off of his incestuous relationship with the current administration? This newest tome is yet another disgraceful attempt to “appear†trustworthy and â€in the loop†to show he really isn’t being “SOFT†on the administration. So anything that Woodward may have done in the past is really moot.
Moot, eh? How about the fact that he went all over television (and print) with allegations that Fitzgerald was a crazed prosecutor and had no real reason to do what he was doing. How about the fact that he actually KNEW first hand who said what to whom and yet didn’t think that was an important fact to reveal to the television audiences. How about the fact that he always saves all the “good stuff†for his books, so he ends up looking good WHILE making lots of money AND while keeping very helpful information from the voting public while an election is pending.
Well I have written to Bobbie boy at least 3 times, various people at the Washington Post at least 7 times and I think this latest “attempt†to suck all of the oxygen out of the room is deserving of yet one more last email. I will n e v e r buy a book from this man e v e r again!
BOYCOTT WOODWARD (smarmy idiot that he is).
September 29th, 2006 at 4:47 amBush’s refusal to see the problem and admit it is nothing new. Woodward has exposed his actions, just like those of the Nixon administration in Watergate. Only this time the criminal acts are killing thousands.
September 29th, 2006 at 6:35 amOne terrible and sad irony in this whole war is that the public took too long to figure it out–Just like the public is still unaware of the number of people killed every year by hospital error. Woodward laments, as we should, that there are attacks on our servicemen every 4 minutes. Awful as that is, there is a death in this country every three minutes as a result of hospital error, and no one cries out. Bush does less to stop that than he has to stop the war, but his inaction is fueled by the same motivation–his bowing to the rich and powerful. Insurance companies, a 7 trillion dollar per year industry, one of his largest contributors, don’t want us to know the number of deaths and their causes. They want to simply blame the patients and say that we are the cause of the high cost of medical care. Michael Townes Watson, author of America’s Tunnel Vision–How Insurance Companies’ Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law..
We’ve moved back to New York State after 15 years in retirement in Florida. Before we left, I stopped by the post office in our little village, to say goodbye to a woman black teller. AS we talked, I thought to ask her what the black community thought about Bush.
Her reply? We are amazed that Bush hasn’t been shot.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:11 amGeorge Herbert Walker Bushfrom his memoir, “A World Transformed” (1998)
Trying to eliminate Saddam…would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible…. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq…. there was no viable “exit strategy” we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations’ mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.
So, was George I a traitor and a coward to Cut and run before the shit hit the fan? Or does he wake up and know that his son is the stupidest President ever?
September 29th, 2006 at 9:50 amBush and Cheny are out-of-control EGOMANIACS who ONLY care about their arrogance and ego. They are KILLING innocent soldiers and civilians by the thousands. These two have NEVER had a real job. They have been thriving in the cesspool called poilitics and insider dealing their whole worthless life. WHERE IS THE REAL AMERICA? And why haven’t Bush and Cheney been impeached yet? THEIR CONDUCT IS AN OUTRAGE. Bring back the draft NOW and I assure all there will be NO more “political wars” in our lifetimes here in USA.
September 29th, 2006 at 10:18 amWow..you all are dumb.
Do you really think Democrats or Replublicans really give a crap about what YOU think? The Dogs in DC are there for THEMSELVES. You really think they’re there to represent you? hahahah…
Wake up people…..the era we are in now will be known as the corrupt era. The people leading this nation could care less about you or me..all they care about is themselves and keeping THEIR status quo.
September 29th, 2006 at 10:19 amthere are some real crazy people on this post. I am US Marine and I was over there and it was one big cricus over there. How could you explain that in Desert Storm we sent 500,000 troops for little Kuwait and only send around 130,000 for Iraq, makes you think. Imagine if 500,000 would be over there, the country probably would be a lot more stable. Guess what happens to the price of oil, goes DOWN. But Bush sends just enough to say we are doing something and keeps the price of oil high. I can’t believe most people don’t see this. I was there with a unit from cherry point and they did not even have the updated flack jackets, Bush what a military supporter. If you look at, Clinton was better for the military than Bush. TO DISAGREE IS WHAT MAKES OUR COUNTRY GREAT. But this circus has to end b/c we just gave Iran a gift. G-dawg, you are a complete idiot and I would bet that you have never served in front line comabt as I have. How about some constructive debate and not some spew of crap. Semper Fi to all fellow Marines, we will get you back here soon.
September 29th, 2006 at 11:09 amre: #14 – “Why do you liberals always side with the enemy?”
Comment by G-Dawg — September 28, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
listen up, goofy. liberals are not siding with the enemy – you are. it’s you, and other idiots just like you, who are destroying this country by trashing truth, our constitution and our individual rights; willfully sacrificing military personnel and resources; intentionally depleting our treasury; promoting fear, anger and deception here and abroad for your own partisan political purposes, all while simultaneously discounting honorable dissent; and severely tarnishing our influence and reputation throughout the world with your moronic, rabid support of the nitwit bush, the dipshit neocons and their illegal preemptive war against iraq.
September 29th, 2006 at 11:54 am“Bush is covering up the extent of violence against U.S. troops in Iraq:”
Woodward is covering up the lack of intelligence in our President.
September 29th, 2006 at 1:01 pm#156
Paul.
Welcome back.
And thanks for the good post.
There is a movie out called “The Ground Truth”
http://www.thegroundtruth.org
The Iraq War experience is described by vets in their own words.
If you decide to watch it – you may want to have a pen and pad ready. A few of the vets in the movie have started organizations to help vets with the transition back to civilian life.
Could be useful for you or some of your battle mates.
September 29th, 2006 at 1:08 pm#12 & #14.
A R A
Read this.
Director George Tenet and his counterterrorism head Cofer Black “went over top-secret intelligence pointing to an impending attack and ’sounded the loudest warning’ to the White House of a likely attack on the U.S. by Bin Laden. Woodward writes that Rice was polite, but, ‘They felt the brushoff.’“
An actual “Real American” would have – the same day, convened a meeting of the CSG [Counterterrorism Security Group] to discuss the threat. To address the hijacking warning, an actual “Real American” would have put the airports thought to be involved on maximum security immediately. An actual “Real American” would have had the CIA distribute versions of the report to the FBI and FAA to pass to the New York Police Department and the airlines.
For your sake – A R A – I hope that you and your CO in Iraq are wiser with threat assessments than Rice.
Good luck.
“G Dawg” – YOU for president? “President G-Dawg?”
Your posts (#14 included) are usually pure crap. But “President G-Dawg” is actually kind of funny !
What is your real name, anyway – “Barney?”
September 29th, 2006 at 1:47 pmBush say’s that the Iraq War will only be ” a comma in history”, Cheney say’s that knowing what he now knows ” he would do it all over again.
This is not only denial …it is insanity.
ed
September 29th, 2006 at 1:52 pmYou should read this before taking Woodward too seriously.
September 29th, 2006 at 2:16 pm#162
Engram
#1 I read the link.
I think the response by ” T.D. Larkin ” in the “Comments” section dismantles the argument pretty well.
#2 This view – the tendency to ignore good advice if it contradicts what they want to believe – is consistent with other reports that have been out for years.
Go read: “Preparing for War, Stumbling to Peace – U.S. is Paying the Price for Missteps Made on Iraq”
by Mark Fineman, Robin Wright and Doyle McManus
This first appeared in the LA Times July of 2003. Over 3 years ago.
September 29th, 2006 at 3:08 pmDear A+Real+Amerikan;
September 29th, 2006 at 3:50 pmget yer head out of the sand…or is it shoved elseware…..your past ‘leaders of freedom’ , must be spinning in their collective graves. The rest of the world is amazed by the pap you guys pump out…WMD’S….INDEED, more patsies…for Fox…P.R & bullshit…it’s the american way…bullies till the last…..we await yer end…and you will bring it on yourselves….good duplication of the Hitlar era…
philip+witak;
September 29th, 2006 at 4:04 pmYer right on the money…all hail Freedonia…..i hear the new world order gearing up for …what elae…war & world dom.so eat yer mcfood and shop at yer walmarts….plastic food & plastic clothes…for a plastic people in a plastic world….with sperm count off by over 50%( globably) this group of bipeds is dead…extinked….to bad….such a nice blue planet….now just dead crap……..love D.J.S.
Bush is so despicale..hc cares not how many american men and women are killed in iraq…as long as it is not him , his daughters or any of his family,,he us a coward, and not an intelligent person..he never was a succes at any thing he has ever done and he is not and never will be a Texas,,,just a transplantedeastern spoiled little rich by ,,a liar and an acholic in the past ..probally still is one ,,,,,starr in texas,,,,,,
September 30th, 2006 at 12:17 amCasualties? in War? how strange! I’m sure glad this shocking news got out! Let’s bring everyone home- in fact, why not invite the terrorists along? Maybe they’ll play a little nicer if we just all come home. :)
September 30th, 2006 at 1:55 amTo Lou Starr (Comment 166): You are a great prime example of a liberal. You call Bush unintelligent. Not only is your comment unintelligent but you fail miserably at spelling and grammar. You say Bush has never been a success but.. maybe you forgot.. He’s the President Of The United States.
You Americans are a funny bunch. Especially the believers in the Liberal faith. The majority complaining about your own country.
#167
“D Wats”
If you are so concerned about terrorists coming here – read Rice’s reaction to an August 2001 terror threat in post #160.
Casualties in war due to negligence? YEAH – THAT IS A PROBLEM. If you recognize that an insurgency is growing – tactics must be changed. This book indicates that people around Bush were telling him this as early as November, 2003. He ignored this good advice.
“I am my own worst critic …” – Tiger Woods.
You mentioned “complaining” about our own nation. It is actually objective self – criticism. This is something that every champion does.
“Take ownership of your mistakes.” – Tiger Woods.
When champions are not playing well – they recognize it and move to make improvements.
Not like the Bush administration.
Yeah – we Liberal/Progressive Americans are a “funny bunch.” We expect our president to recognize good advice and make competent decisions.
We don’t like soldiers dying due to negligence.
September 30th, 2006 at 3:17 amBring back Pat Buchanan 4 President a US Only based Politican-man. Tired of the Global Agenda on Both sides of the aisle.
September 30th, 2006 at 4:11 am“that Henry Kissinger has been advising Bush about Iraq” is bad news for almost
September 30th, 2006 at 5:45 amany Vietnam Veteran. It was Kissinger during his negotiations at Paris 1975
who worked out with North Vietnam those conditions of an exit strategy which ended in a chaotic situation.
[...] Some of Woodward’s revelations, from Think Progress, Center for American Progress New Woodward Book Details Multiple Bush Cover-Ups Over Iraq [...]
September 30th, 2006 at 9:30 amIt is so funny that the people who deem Woodward UnAmerican and left leaning,WHERE IS THE DRAFT ??? WHERE ARE THE HORDES OF VOLUNTEERS FOR THE ARMY ???IF YOU THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT WAR AT THE RIGHT TIME IN IRAQ,WHERE ARE THE DROVES OF YOUNG MEN THAT SHOULD BE LINING UP AT THE RECRUITING STATIONS ?? LET US STOP THE DISNEY FANTASIES–LET BUSH/CHENEY/RUMSFELD BE HONEST AND CALL FOR A DRAFT WITH NO EXEMPTIONS (COLLEGE/MARRIED/GAY) ALL 18-30 YEAR OLDS,IF YOUR NUMBER IS CALLED –GO!!!
October 7th, 2006 at 1:02 amDear A-Real-American: I am so very Confused. How can you call yourslef a ” Real American ” and want to take away freedom of speach. No my friend that is Hitler , Soviet Union, N.Korea attitudes. Sorry my beloved husban is in Iraq right now fighting for his life. He is upset because our presedent did not finish with the true enemey Osama Binlauden and was more interesed in OIL for his hand holding friends the Saudi Roal Family. Way back in 2002 he said we need to get rid of sadam and then the dictator of N.korea. Sadam was just small potatos killing off his own . It so makes me sick when say they are suportting the troups by supporting the war in Iraq. You are not. The person how killed our people were not in Iraq . Sadam was a week pethetic man with no real power to harm us. He was not a religious nut bag like OSAMA. Who by the way we americans trained and supplied wepons to to fight Soviet Union .How often has our own actions come back to harm us. I am not for democrats or republicans they both have messed up big time. I say we need to get rid of both partys and vote green or Libitarian. The sine of a grate leader is the ability to look at both sides and not just there own. some open mindes need to be closed for repair. I do not even think it really matters who is in the white house the people in power are ” Big Business ” and no one cares. they are sending jobs over to China and our goverment is letting them. Both dem’s and Republicans . Clinton gave us nafta and bush finished us with Cafta. A real american says take care of your people . Live Free or Die. Do not kill our best and bravest over Saudi ’s wanting more oil. It is funny not one new medi reported that the ” Bush republicans ” Tried to turn over the oil feilds in Iraq to Saudi control only 4 weeks after the war ” ended ” with us in Bagdad. Even though our boys were being atacked from behinde and wonderful careing Bush people would not send more trops. Why ? Rummy flet was trying to run this war like a business. Our men are forced to wear inferior armor because a major republican campain contributor gave Bush & company lost of money so they get the contract. Even when our boys wanted to buy there better vest and wear it at there own expence the Bush administration said NO!! So tell me mr. A-Real-American how are your supporting my husband. His best friends funeral was 4 weeks ago I had to fly to be there he was killed through his wonderful vest. You do not believe me look up soldiers for truth web site. Learn the truth.. Now we have a real threat N. Korea and we can’t do jack about it . Why because we are to tied up in Iraq a losser war we never should have been in. It is not a good american to support a bad war. By your opinion all the germans who killed durring ww2 were just good old boys careing for germany. Even while they burned people alive. I am sorry our true enemy is running around in the mt of pakistain on the cina border making more little binladens to kill us. Had we taken out Osama it would have been a true blow. Now it just makes all the crazzys think that There God ALA is protecting Osama and more people go to him. My grandfather went to war at age 15 1/2 WW2, My Dad was in Korea my brother in Nam. My beloved in Afgan/Iraq I love freedom . Freedom for all. We must never give up Freedom for Security they ” the goverment will never give it back. I say America should be the ” good guy ” if we have criminal in Gitmo then we must have trials like after WW@ for all the world to see we are the “Good ones” . The crap of the idea that we would expose our undercover ops is crap. At the age of 12 I was raped by a 55 year old man. When I was to testify the closed the court. Not even my best friend ever knew the ” raped juvinial in the paper was me. We can not let our goverment turn our beloved country into the New Russia . We are a country of freedom & rights after all is that not why we are in Iraq right now? To die for ones country is the greatest gift our youn men give. We know the ” Rich ” just buy there way out or never serve at all. No it is alway the poorest in the most depressed areas it is there only hope for something better. After all our blue Collor jobs are all over seas. However if we are going to ask our men to die it should be for a good reason. If the Iraq people do not care about liveing in freedom then why is it our job to die for them. We had every right to go after Osama he killed our people. They did not try just once but 2 times on our own land not to mention the countless atacks on our embacys and the cole a ship in the middle east bay floor. What did Sadam do he went after oil in the middle east. Now did this very rich nation protect itself with it own blood? no Pappa Bush sent our boys to die for middle east oil. Trust and believe it really dose not matter who has the stupid black gold they will sell it to us. They need food they live in the desert they can’t even feed themselfs. If the middle east want to live under the law of there God Ala why do we care? There are a whole bunch of Religious fundamentalist who say we should go back to being ruled by the curch. just like in old days rember the wonderful ” witch burrings and all the problems that caused. But still there are people who are not happy unless they tell other people how to live there life. Also that the way they live is far better than the way anyone else lives. You know to take away the freedoms that the ” REAL AMERICANS” OUR FOUNDING FATHERS DIED FOR. A real american loves the bill of rights and the constitution. I am always amazed how real americans do not even real this god given gift to us. The best and brightest minds who had lived under church and king rule created. We fought the cold war because we did not want the rule of the soviet union to over take the land. The wonderful Iorn curtain where” enemys of the state” when and never came back from. Familly & friend just never knew what happened. Where people were beaten into confeshion and then lost forever. No judge or jurry to hear a case and let inocent people go. No ” state trial behinde closed doors where you have no rights. Kind of like the new law our congress just made. Now what if the same thing happens to my husband because after all if USA can do it everyone can. I will have no way of getting him help or even telling him I love you in a letter of phone call. no e-mails no laws to protect. Sorry but we have to take the High moral ground for our Men. To stand you a president just because we are americans is just Un-American. No our founding fathers knew the goverment was the real threat to democracy and that was why they gave us the righs we have that is why freedom of the press. We need to know when our leaders have been comprimised by power and big business. We must never give up our rights even the right to bare arms. After all if our leaders turn into Hitler I just hope and pray to god the American people will just say No and take up arms and stop it. Not to just follow like blind children without a god given brain. If the people do not stay on top of our fat , Rich leaders in washington who will. I love the idea of them policing themself. No way not if you are a democrat , republican, cop, or doctor. that is a big joke. Why because you will always look the other way to protect the organization. No congress must have a non-political group of Real americans keeping an eye on them. The idea that they can do it themselfs is laughable. Just look at the Foley case & so manny more throught out our history. This is a Nation by the people for the people so when will the people take it back from big business that is running Washington? It is not about conservative or liberal . It is about keeping our government honest and for the benifit of the people of the USA. Conservatives say business should not be regulated & government should be small. However this war is costing us 2 billion per week and a tone of money is just gone. Iraq dose not even have electiceity all day . Sadam gave them that. The only people who are makeing our on this war is big american business on the blood of our Men. Liberals say government should help people who can’t help themselfs. We need social programs to help the poor & old. They say live and let live but get rid of guns and drugs. I say why the hell should I pay for 50 grand per year to house a drug addict . If they want to kill themslefs with drugs let them problem solved. Make drugs $0.01 per joint , pill , bag, or what ever they can panhandle $0.25 cents and kill themslef. No more problem. I also say if more people carry guns then the robers and what ever would be dead in the streets. If someone comes up to you and says your walet or you life and you pull out a 38 and take care of business no more problem. Hell let mexico produce drugs and american business sell it just like booz. lets let america make the money not our enemys. You will never stop it but you can make it work for the USA. The money we would save off the war on drug would support Social Security & other programs. I was listening to a program where a bible belt southern person said why sould my tax money go to fuel assistants for the north if they are to stupid to move out of the north then let them go without heat. What a wonderful christain way to think. Well I never hear the north say why should my money go to help huricane victoms if they are to stupid to move let them drownd & be homeless. No, When the victoms of kitrina needed help money was collected all through the northeast . We care for people wether north south east or west. Wether christian or jew or gay. Judge not less we be judged. I keep hearing how much we hate God. when I read the bible I hear give to the poor. feed the hungrey. It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. In one storry there is a very good and just man who asked Christ what can I do to get into heaven. I give to the poor and feed the hungrey and am just in all I do. Christ said ” you must give away your money”. Needless to say the man was not happy. What that tells me is money is a very dangerous corrupting influence. Yet all our leaders in Washington are very well off if not down right Rich. Our government has let big business do anything it wants for the ” Good of the country ” but not for the good of the people. When the top 10% are getting more and more rich and the middle class & poor are getting less and less that is not good for the people of the USA. There is no reason a big business leader should make 800 times his lowest paid worker. However all the rich business leaders are on each others board of directors and vote themselfs this money even when a companey is not doing well. Then to make sure that they protect there money they put people in Washinton to keep it that way. Mean while our men are dying in the Middle east everyday if they get 17 grand per year it is good. So we let big american business go over to Iraq to ” rebuild ” what we destroied and the government gives them big money to do it. Mean while the people of Iraq can’t buy a job or feed there familly. they wait for 8 hrs for gas that comes from under there feet. And we wonder why they hate us now? We did not bring freedome or democracy. We just let big business rape the land. But that is how the Goverment in washington works. What would have been better is you get the Iraq people rebuilding the country they love. You build Iraq small business up and put people back to work. If they are working they are not killing our men or eachother. If at night the are tired from work and the wife had food on the table they will be to tiered & full to kill.. I do not understand why we believe that People would welcome us if we go into a country and not give them dignity to work & care for there loved ones. The Iraq people love there country just like we love our country. Most of them were happy Sadam was gone. Then rather than protect & control the country we let people loot & go crazzy. That was extreamly disrespectful. Then when it came time to re-build the country we let outsiders come in and take over there country. Once more they were being robed & the land raped . They saw it was not for them but for Americans business. Now we have a hell of a mess. It is going to cost us more money that we have so we borrow it from China. Who now holds our debt & all our good middle class jobs. We act like China is not a bad place. Well I hate to tell you people they are not our wonderful buds. They are commy’s Reds remember the cold war? They put people in jail for doing waht we are doing right now talking about the government. They put people to death for nothing. Then they sell there organs for 100 grand. to rich business men all over the world. I watched a show on BBC where the repoter hunted down the father of a 19year old ” enemy of the state ” who was executed to ask him if his son wanted to give up his organs. The father said they took my son at age 16 for reading non-state certified books. I did not see or speak to him ever again. I just got a box with his ash in it. China says the men give up there organs of free will. That is a bold face lie. Now that is what our friend A-Real-American wants for people whos thinking he want changed. I say go live in China a commy red state. you do not love the freedom people died to give you. God bless freedom, God Bless libirty, God Beless America. We realy were something special in the world. Saddly because of fear of the boogyman we are willing to destory what makes america great. Freedom to say Mr. Bush you are not a king . No it is we the people. We make this country great no big business not government but us. We the people of the USA!!
October 9th, 2006 at 10:22 pmc
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