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]]> By: Caroll http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-970365 Caroll Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:22:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-970365 Dear A-Real-American: I am so very Confused. How can you call yourslef a " Real American " and want to take away freedom of speach. No my friend that is Hitler , Soviet Union, N.Korea attitudes. Sorry my beloved husban is in Iraq right now fighting for his life. He is upset because our presedent did not finish with the true enemey Osama Binlauden and was more interesed in OIL for his hand holding friends the Saudi Roal Family. Way back in 2002 he said we need to get rid of sadam and then the dictator of N.korea. Sadam was just small potatos killing off his own . It so makes me sick when say they are suportting the troups by supporting the war in Iraq. You are not. The person how killed our people were not in Iraq . Sadam was a week pethetic man with no real power to harm us. He was not a religious nut bag like OSAMA. Who by the way we americans trained and supplied wepons to to fight Soviet Union .How often has our own actions come back to harm us. I am not for democrats or republicans they both have messed up big time. I say we need to get rid of both partys and vote green or Libitarian. The sine of a grate leader is the ability to look at both sides and not just there own. some open mindes need to be closed for repair. I do not even think it really matters who is in the white house the people in power are " Big Business " and no one cares. they are sending jobs over to China and our goverment is letting them. Both dem's and Republicans . Clinton gave us nafta and bush finished us with Cafta. A real american says take care of your people . Live Free or Die. Do not kill our best and bravest over Saudi 's wanting more oil. It is funny not one new medi reported that the " Bush republicans " Tried to turn over the oil feilds in Iraq to Saudi control only 4 weeks after the war " ended " with us in Bagdad. Even though our boys were being atacked from behinde and wonderful careing Bush people would not send more trops. Why ? Rummy flet was trying to run this war like a business. Our men are forced to wear inferior armor because a major republican campain contributor gave Bush & company lost of money so they get the contract. Even when our boys wanted to buy there better vest and wear it at there own expence the Bush administration said NO!! So tell me mr. A-Real-American how are your supporting my husband. His best friends funeral was 4 weeks ago I had to fly to be there he was killed through his wonderful vest. You do not believe me look up soldiers for truth web site. Learn the truth.. Now we have a real threat N. Korea and we can't do jack about it . Why because we are to tied up in Iraq a losser war we never should have been in. It is not a good american to support a bad war. By your opinion all the germans who killed durring ww2 were just good old boys careing for germany. Even while they burned people alive. I am sorry our true enemy is running around in the mt of pakistain on the cina border making more little binladens to kill us. Had we taken out Osama it would have been a true blow. Now it just makes all the crazzys think that There God ALA is protecting Osama and more people go to him. My grandfather went to war at age 15 1/2 WW2, My Dad was in Korea my brother in Nam. My beloved in Afgan/Iraq I love freedom . Freedom for all. We must never give up Freedom for Security they " the goverment will never give it back. I say America should be the " good guy " if we have criminal in Gitmo then we must have trials like after WW@ for all the world to see we are the "Good ones" . The crap of the idea that we would expose our undercover ops is crap. At the age of 12 I was raped by a 55 year old man. When I was to testify the closed the court. Not even my best friend ever knew the " raped juvinial in the paper was me. We can not let our goverment turn our beloved country into the New Russia . We are a country of freedom & rights after all is that not why we are in Iraq right now? To die for ones country is the greatest gift our youn men give. We know the " Rich " just buy there way out or never serve at all. No it is alway the poorest in the most depressed areas it is there only hope for something better. After all our blue Collor jobs are all over seas. However if we are going to ask our men to die it should be for a good reason. If the Iraq people do not care about liveing in freedom then why is it our job to die for them. We had every right to go after Osama he killed our people. They did not try just once but 2 times on our own land not to mention the countless atacks on our embacys and the cole a ship in the middle east bay floor. What did Sadam do he went after oil in the middle east. Now did this very rich nation protect itself with it own blood? no Pappa Bush sent our boys to die for middle east oil. Trust and believe it really dose not matter who has the stupid black gold they will sell it to us. They need food they live in the desert they can't even feed themselfs. If the middle east want to live under the law of there God Ala why do we care? There are a whole bunch of Religious fundamentalist who say we should go back to being ruled by the curch. just like in old days rember the wonderful " witch burrings and all the problems that caused. But still there are people who are not happy unless they tell other people how to live there life. Also that the way they live is far better than the way anyone else lives. You know to take away the freedoms that the " REAL AMERICANS" OUR FOUNDING FATHERS DIED FOR. A real american loves the bill of rights and the constitution. I am always amazed how real americans do not even real this god given gift to us. The best and brightest minds who had lived under church and king rule created. We fought the cold war because we did not want the rule of the soviet union to over take the land. The wonderful Iorn curtain where" enemys of the state" when and never came back from. Familly & friend just never knew what happened. Where people were beaten into confeshion and then lost forever. No judge or jurry to hear a case and let inocent people go. No " state trial behinde closed doors where you have no rights. Kind of like the new law our congress just made. Now what if the same thing happens to my husband because after all if USA can do it everyone can. I will have no way of getting him help or even telling him I love you in a letter of phone call. no e-mails no laws to protect. Sorry but we have to take the High moral ground for our Men. To stand you a president just because we are americans is just Un-American. No our founding fathers knew the goverment was the real threat to democracy and that was why they gave us the righs we have that is why freedom of the press. We need to know when our leaders have been comprimised by power and big business. We must never give up our rights even the right to bare arms. After all if our leaders turn into Hitler I just hope and pray to god the American people will just say No and take up arms and stop it. Not to just follow like blind children without a god given brain. If the people do not stay on top of our fat , Rich leaders in washington who will. I love the idea of them policing themself. No way not if you are a democrat , republican, cop, or doctor. that is a big joke. Why because you will always look the other way to protect the organization. No congress must have a non-political group of Real americans keeping an eye on them. The idea that they can do it themselfs is laughable. Just look at the Foley case & so manny more throught out our history. This is a Nation by the people for the people so when will the people take it back from big business that is running Washington? It is not about conservative or liberal . It is about keeping our government honest and for the benifit of the people of the USA. Conservatives say business should not be regulated & government should be small. However this war is costing us 2 billion per week and a tone of money is just gone. Iraq dose not even have electiceity all day . Sadam gave them that. The only people who are makeing our on this war is big american business on the blood of our Men. Liberals say government should help people who can't help themselfs. We need social programs to help the poor & old. They say live and let live but get rid of guns and drugs. I say why the hell should I pay for 50 grand per year to house a drug addict . If they want to kill themslefs with drugs let them problem solved. Make drugs $0.01 per joint , pill , bag, or what ever they can panhandle $0.25 cents and kill themslef. No more problem. I also say if more people carry guns then the robers and what ever would be dead in the streets. If someone comes up to you and says your walet or you life and you pull out a 38 and take care of business no more problem. Hell let mexico produce drugs and american business sell it just like booz. lets let america make the money not our enemys. You will never stop it but you can make it work for the USA. The money we would save off the war on drug would support Social Security & other programs. I was listening to a program where a bible belt southern person said why sould my tax money go to fuel assistants for the north if they are to stupid to move out of the north then let them go without heat. What a wonderful christain way to think. Well I never hear the north say why should my money go to help huricane victoms if they are to stupid to move let them drownd & be homeless. No, When the victoms of kitrina needed help money was collected all through the northeast . We care for people wether north south east or west. Wether christian or jew or gay. Judge not less we be judged. I keep hearing how much we hate God. when I read the bible I hear give to the poor. feed the hungrey. It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. In one storry there is a very good and just man who asked Christ what can I do to get into heaven. I give to the poor and feed the hungrey and am just in all I do. Christ said " you must give away your money". Needless to say the man was not happy. What that tells me is money is a very dangerous corrupting influence. Yet all our leaders in Washington are very well off if not down right Rich. Our government has let big business do anything it wants for the " Good of the country " but not for the good of the people. When the top 10% are getting more and more rich and the middle class & poor are getting less and less that is not good for the people of the USA. There is no reason a big business leader should make 800 times his lowest paid worker. However all the rich business leaders are on each others board of directors and vote themselfs this money even when a companey is not doing well. Then to make sure that they protect there money they put people in Washinton to keep it that way. Mean while our men are dying in the Middle east everyday if they get 17 grand per year it is good. So we let big american business go over to Iraq to " rebuild " what we destroied and the government gives them big money to do it. Mean while the people of Iraq can't buy a job or feed there familly. they wait for 8 hrs for gas that comes from under there feet. And we wonder why they hate us now? We did not bring freedome or democracy. We just let big business rape the land. But that is how the Goverment in washington works. What would have been better is you get the Iraq people rebuilding the country they love. You build Iraq small business up and put people back to work. If they are working they are not killing our men or eachother. If at night the are tired from work and the wife had food on the table they will be to tiered & full to kill.. I do not understand why we believe that People would welcome us if we go into a country and not give them dignity to work & care for there loved ones. The Iraq people love there country just like we love our country. Most of them were happy Sadam was gone. Then rather than protect & control the country we let people loot & go crazzy. That was extreamly disrespectful. Then when it came time to re-build the country we let outsiders come in and take over there country. Once more they were being robed & the land raped . They saw it was not for them but for Americans business. Now we have a hell of a mess. It is going to cost us more money that we have so we borrow it from China. Who now holds our debt & all our good middle class jobs. We act like China is not a bad place. Well I hate to tell you people they are not our wonderful buds. They are commy's Reds remember the cold war? They put people in jail for doing waht we are doing right now talking about the government. They put people to death for nothing. Then they sell there organs for 100 grand. to rich business men all over the world. I watched a show on BBC where the repoter hunted down the father of a 19year old " enemy of the state " who was executed to ask him if his son wanted to give up his organs. The father said they took my son at age 16 for reading non-state certified books. I did not see or speak to him ever again. I just got a box with his ash in it. China says the men give up there organs of free will. That is a bold face lie. Now that is what our friend A-Real-American wants for people whos thinking he want changed. I say go live in China a commy red state. you do not love the freedom people died to give you. God bless freedom, God Bless libirty, God Beless America. We realy were something special in the world. Saddly because of fear of the boogyman we are willing to destory what makes america great. Freedom to say Mr. Bush you are not a king . No it is we the people. We make this country great no big business not government but us. We the people of the USA!! c Dear A-Real-American: I am so very Confused. How can you call yourslef a ” Real American ” and want to take away freedom of speach. No my friend that is Hitler , Soviet Union, N.Korea attitudes. Sorry my beloved husban is in Iraq right now fighting for his life. He is upset because our presedent did not finish with the true enemey Osama Binlauden and was more interesed in OIL for his hand holding friends the Saudi Roal Family. Way back in 2002 he said we need to get rid of sadam and then the dictator of N.korea. Sadam was just small potatos killing off his own . It so makes me sick when say they are suportting the troups by supporting the war in Iraq. You are not. The person how killed our people were not in Iraq . Sadam was a week pethetic man with no real power to harm us. He was not a religious nut bag like OSAMA. Who by the way we americans trained and supplied wepons to to fight Soviet Union .How often has our own actions come back to harm us. I am not for democrats or republicans they both have messed up big time. I say we need to get rid of both partys and vote green or Libitarian. The sine of a grate leader is the ability to look at both sides and not just there own. some open mindes need to be closed for repair. I do not even think it really matters who is in the white house the people in power are ” Big Business ” and no one cares. they are sending jobs over to China and our goverment is letting them. Both dem’s and Republicans . Clinton gave us nafta and bush finished us with Cafta. A real american says take care of your people . Live Free or Die. Do not kill our best and bravest over Saudi ’s wanting more oil. It is funny not one new medi reported that the ” Bush republicans ” Tried to turn over the oil feilds in Iraq to Saudi control only 4 weeks after the war ” ended ” with us in Bagdad. Even though our boys were being atacked from behinde and wonderful careing Bush people would not send more trops. Why ? Rummy flet was trying to run this war like a business. Our men are forced to wear inferior armor because a major republican campain contributor gave Bush & company lost of money so they get the contract. Even when our boys wanted to buy there better vest and wear it at there own expence the Bush administration said NO!! So tell me mr. A-Real-American how are your supporting my husband. His best friends funeral was 4 weeks ago I had to fly to be there he was killed through his wonderful vest. You do not believe me look up soldiers for truth web site. Learn the truth.. Now we have a real threat N. Korea and we can’t do jack about it . Why because we are to tied up in Iraq a losser war we never should have been in. It is not a good american to support a bad war. By your opinion all the germans who killed durring ww2 were just good old boys careing for germany. Even while they burned people alive. I am sorry our true enemy is running around in the mt of pakistain on the cina border making more little binladens to kill us. Had we taken out Osama it would have been a true blow. Now it just makes all the crazzys think that There God ALA is protecting Osama and more people go to him. My grandfather went to war at age 15 1/2 WW2, My Dad was in Korea my brother in Nam. My beloved in Afgan/Iraq I love freedom . Freedom for all. We must never give up Freedom for Security they ” the goverment will never give it back. I say America should be the ” good guy ” if we have criminal in Gitmo then we must have trials like after WW@ for all the world to see we are the “Good ones” . The crap of the idea that we would expose our undercover ops is crap. At the age of 12 I was raped by a 55 year old man. When I was to testify the closed the court. Not even my best friend ever knew the ” raped juvinial in the paper was me. We can not let our goverment turn our beloved country into the New Russia . We are a country of freedom & rights after all is that not why we are in Iraq right now? To die for ones country is the greatest gift our youn men give. We know the ” Rich ” just buy there way out or never serve at all. No it is alway the poorest in the most depressed areas it is there only hope for something better. After all our blue Collor jobs are all over seas. However if we are going to ask our men to die it should be for a good reason. If the Iraq people do not care about liveing in freedom then why is it our job to die for them. We had every right to go after Osama he killed our people. They did not try just once but 2 times on our own land not to mention the countless atacks on our embacys and the cole a ship in the middle east bay floor. What did Sadam do he went after oil in the middle east. Now did this very rich nation protect itself with it own blood? no Pappa Bush sent our boys to die for middle east oil. Trust and believe it really dose not matter who has the stupid black gold they will sell it to us. They need food they live in the desert they can’t even feed themselfs. If the middle east want to live under the law of there God Ala why do we care? There are a whole bunch of Religious fundamentalist who say we should go back to being ruled by the curch. just like in old days rember the wonderful ” witch burrings and all the problems that caused. But still there are people who are not happy unless they tell other people how to live there life. Also that the way they live is far better than the way anyone else lives. You know to take away the freedoms that the ” REAL AMERICANS” OUR FOUNDING FATHERS DIED FOR. A real american loves the bill of rights and the constitution. I am always amazed how real americans do not even real this god given gift to us. The best and brightest minds who had lived under church and king rule created. We fought the cold war because we did not want the rule of the soviet union to over take the land. The wonderful Iorn curtain where” enemys of the state” when and never came back from. Familly & friend just never knew what happened. Where people were beaten into confeshion and then lost forever. No judge or jurry to hear a case and let inocent people go. No ” state trial behinde closed doors where you have no rights. Kind of like the new law our congress just made. Now what if the same thing happens to my husband because after all if USA can do it everyone can. I will have no way of getting him help or even telling him I love you in a letter of phone call. no e-mails no laws to protect. Sorry but we have to take the High moral ground for our Men. To stand you a president just because we are americans is just Un-American. No our founding fathers knew the goverment was the real threat to democracy and that was why they gave us the righs we have that is why freedom of the press. We need to know when our leaders have been comprimised by power and big business. We must never give up our rights even the right to bare arms. After all if our leaders turn into Hitler I just hope and pray to god the American people will just say No and take up arms and stop it. Not to just follow like blind children without a god given brain. If the people do not stay on top of our fat , Rich leaders in washington who will. I love the idea of them policing themself. No way not if you are a democrat , republican, cop, or doctor. that is a big joke. Why because you will always look the other way to protect the organization. No congress must have a non-political group of Real americans keeping an eye on them. The idea that they can do it themselfs is laughable. Just look at the Foley case & so manny more throught out our history. This is a Nation by the people for the people so when will the people take it back from big business that is running Washington? It is not about conservative or liberal . It is about keeping our government honest and for the benifit of the people of the USA. Conservatives say business should not be regulated & government should be small. However this war is costing us 2 billion per week and a tone of money is just gone. Iraq dose not even have electiceity all day . Sadam gave them that. The only people who are makeing our on this war is big american business on the blood of our Men. Liberals say government should help people who can’t help themselfs. We need social programs to help the poor & old. They say live and let live but get rid of guns and drugs. I say why the hell should I pay for 50 grand per year to house a drug addict . If they want to kill themslefs with drugs let them problem solved. Make drugs $0.01 per joint , pill , bag, or what ever they can panhandle $0.25 cents and kill themslef. No more problem. I also say if more people carry guns then the robers and what ever would be dead in the streets. If someone comes up to you and says your walet or you life and you pull out a 38 and take care of business no more problem. Hell let mexico produce drugs and american business sell it just like booz. lets let america make the money not our enemys. You will never stop it but you can make it work for the USA. The money we would save off the war on drug would support Social Security & other programs. I was listening to a program where a bible belt southern person said why sould my tax money go to fuel assistants for the north if they are to stupid to move out of the north then let them go without heat. What a wonderful christain way to think. Well I never hear the north say why should my money go to help huricane victoms if they are to stupid to move let them drownd & be homeless. No, When the victoms of kitrina needed help money was collected all through the northeast . We care for people wether north south east or west. Wether christian or jew or gay. Judge not less we be judged. I keep hearing how much we hate God. when I read the bible I hear give to the poor. feed the hungrey. It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. In one storry there is a very good and just man who asked Christ what can I do to get into heaven. I give to the poor and feed the hungrey and am just in all I do. Christ said ” you must give away your money”. Needless to say the man was not happy. What that tells me is money is a very dangerous corrupting influence. Yet all our leaders in Washington are very well off if not down right Rich. Our government has let big business do anything it wants for the ” Good of the country ” but not for the good of the people. When the top 10% are getting more and more rich and the middle class & poor are getting less and less that is not good for the people of the USA. There is no reason a big business leader should make 800 times his lowest paid worker. However all the rich business leaders are on each others board of directors and vote themselfs this money even when a companey is not doing well. Then to make sure that they protect there money they put people in Washinton to keep it that way. Mean while our men are dying in the Middle east everyday if they get 17 grand per year it is good. So we let big american business go over to Iraq to ” rebuild ” what we destroied and the government gives them big money to do it. Mean while the people of Iraq can’t buy a job or feed there familly. they wait for 8 hrs for gas that comes from under there feet. And we wonder why they hate us now? We did not bring freedome or democracy. We just let big business rape the land. But that is how the Goverment in washington works. What would have been better is you get the Iraq people rebuilding the country they love. You build Iraq small business up and put people back to work. If they are working they are not killing our men or eachother. If at night the are tired from work and the wife had food on the table they will be to tiered & full to kill.. I do not understand why we believe that People would welcome us if we go into a country and not give them dignity to work & care for there loved ones. The Iraq people love there country just like we love our country. Most of them were happy Sadam was gone. Then rather than protect & control the country we let people loot & go crazzy. That was extreamly disrespectful. Then when it came time to re-build the country we let outsiders come in and take over there country. Once more they were being robed & the land raped . They saw it was not for them but for Americans business. Now we have a hell of a mess. It is going to cost us more money that we have so we borrow it from China. Who now holds our debt & all our good middle class jobs. We act like China is not a bad place. Well I hate to tell you people they are not our wonderful buds. They are commy’s Reds remember the cold war? They put people in jail for doing waht we are doing right now talking about the government. They put people to death for nothing. Then they sell there organs for 100 grand. to rich business men all over the world. I watched a show on BBC where the repoter hunted down the father of a 19year old ” enemy of the state ” who was executed to ask him if his son wanted to give up his organs. The father said they took my son at age 16 for reading non-state certified books. I did not see or speak to him ever again. I just got a box with his ash in it. China says the men give up there organs of free will. That is a bold face lie. Now that is what our friend A-Real-American wants for people whos thinking he want changed. I say go live in China a commy red state. you do not love the freedom people died to give you. God bless freedom, God Bless libirty, God Beless America. We realy were something special in the world. Saddly because of fear of the boogyman we are willing to destory what makes america great. Freedom to say Mr. Bush you are not a king . No it is we the people. We make this country great no big business not government but us. We the people of the USA!!
c

]]> By: nick http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-957177 nick Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:02:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-957177 It is so funny that the people who deem Woodward UnAmerican and left leaning,WHERE IS THE DRAFT ??? WHERE ARE THE HORDES OF VOLUNTEERS FOR THE ARMY ???IF YOU THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT WAR AT THE RIGHT TIME IN IRAQ,WHERE ARE THE DROVES OF YOUNG MEN THAT SHOULD BE LINING UP AT THE RECRUITING STATIONS ?? LET US STOP THE DISNEY FANTASIES--LET BUSH/CHENEY/RUMSFELD BE HONEST AND CALL FOR A DRAFT WITH NO EXEMPTIONS (COLLEGE/MARRIED/GAY) ALL 18-30 YEAR OLDS,IF YOUR NUMBER IS CALLED --GO!!! It is so funny that the people who deem Woodward UnAmerican and left leaning,WHERE IS THE DRAFT ??? WHERE ARE THE HORDES OF VOLUNTEERS FOR THE ARMY ???IF YOU THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT WAR AT THE RIGHT TIME IN IRAQ,WHERE ARE THE DROVES OF YOUNG MEN THAT SHOULD BE LINING UP AT THE RECRUITING STATIONS ?? LET US STOP THE DISNEY FANTASIES–LET BUSH/CHENEY/RUMSFELD BE HONEST AND CALL FOR A DRAFT WITH NO EXEMPTIONS (COLLEGE/MARRIED/GAY) ALL 18-30 YEAR OLDS,IF YOUR NUMBER IS CALLED –GO!!!

]]> By: Blah3 - Saving our Country http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-912514 Blah3 - Saving our Country Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:30:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-912514 [...] Some of Woodward’s revelations, from Think Progress, Center for American Progress New Woodward Book Details Multiple Bush Cover-Ups Over Iraq [...] [...] Some of Woodward’s revelations, from Think Progress, Center for American Progress New Woodward Book Details Multiple Bush Cover-Ups Over Iraq [...]

]]> By: Mark Walrus http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-911498 Mark Walrus Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:45:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-911498 "that Henry Kissinger has been advising Bush about Iraq" is bad news for almost any Vietnam Veteran. It was Kissinger during his negotiations at Paris 1975 who worked out with North Vietnam those conditions of an exit strategy which ended in a chaotic situation. “that Henry Kissinger has been advising Bush about Iraq” is bad news for almost
any Vietnam Veteran. It was Kissinger during his negotiations at Paris 1975
who worked out with North Vietnam those conditions of an exit strategy which ended in a chaotic situation.

]]> By: IndyOp http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-911037 IndyOp Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:11:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-911037 <strong> Bring back Pat Buchanan 4 President a US Only based Politican-man. Tired of the Global Agenda on Both sides of the aisle.</strong> Bring back Pat Buchanan 4 President a US Only based Politican-man. Tired of the Global Agenda on Both sides of the aisle.

]]> By: Killer Whale http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-910813 Killer Whale Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:17:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-910813 #167 "D Wats" If you are so concerned about terrorists coming here - read Rice's reaction to an August 2001 terror threat in post #160. Casualties in war due to <strong>negligence</strong>? YEAH - THAT IS A PROBLEM. If you recognize that an insurgency is growing - tactics must be changed. This book indicates that people around Bush were telling him this as early as November, 2003. He ignored this good advice. "I am my own worst critic ..." - Tiger Woods. You mentioned "complaining" about our own nation. It is actually objective self - criticism. This is something that every champion does. "Take ownership of your mistakes." - Tiger Woods. When champions are not playing well - they recognize it and move to make improvements. Not like the Bush administration. Yeah - we Liberal/Progressive Americans are a "funny bunch." We expect our president to recognize good advice and make competent decisions. We don't like soldiers dying due to negligence. #167

“D Wats”

If you are so concerned about terrorists coming here – read Rice’s reaction to an August 2001 terror threat in post #160.

Casualties in war due to negligence? YEAH – THAT IS A PROBLEM. If you recognize that an insurgency is growing – tactics must be changed. This book indicates that people around Bush were telling him this as early as November, 2003. He ignored this good advice.

“I am my own worst critic …” – Tiger Woods.

You mentioned “complaining” about our own nation. It is actually objective self – criticism. This is something that every champion does.

“Take ownership of your mistakes.” – Tiger Woods.

When champions are not playing well – they recognize it and move to make improvements.

Not like the Bush administration.

Yeah – we Liberal/Progressive Americans are a “funny bunch.” We expect our president to recognize good advice and make competent decisions.

We don’t like soldiers dying due to negligence.

]]> By: D Wats http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-910417 D Wats Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:55:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-910417 Casualties? in War? how strange! I'm sure glad this shocking news got out! Let's bring everyone home- in fact, why not invite the terrorists along? Maybe they'll play a little nicer if we just all come home. :) To Lou Starr (Comment 166): You are a great prime example of a liberal. You call Bush unintelligent. Not only is your comment unintelligent but you fail miserably at spelling and grammar. You say Bush has never been a success but.. maybe you forgot.. He's the President Of The United States. You Americans are a funny bunch. Especially the believers in the Liberal faith. The majority complaining about your own country. Casualties? in War? how strange! I’m sure glad this shocking news got out! Let’s bring everyone home- in fact, why not invite the terrorists along? Maybe they’ll play a little nicer if we just all come home. :)
To Lou Starr (Comment 166): You are a great prime example of a liberal. You call Bush unintelligent. Not only is your comment unintelligent but you fail miserably at spelling and grammar. You say Bush has never been a success but.. maybe you forgot.. He’s the President Of The United States.
You Americans are a funny bunch. Especially the believers in the Liberal faith. The majority complaining about your own country.

]]> By: lou starr http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-909896 lou starr Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:17:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-909896 Bush is so despicale..hc cares not how many american men and women are killed in iraq...as long as it is not him , his daughters or any of his family,,he us a coward, and not an intelligent person..he never was a succes at any thing he has ever done and he is not and never will be a Texas,,,just a transplantedeastern spoiled little rich by ,,a liar and an acholic in the past ..probally still is one ,,,,,starr in texas,,,,,, Bush is so despicale..hc cares not how many american men and women are killed in iraq…as long as it is not him , his daughters or any of his family,,he us a coward, and not an intelligent person..he never was a succes at any thing he has ever done and he is not and never will be a Texas,,,just a transplantedeastern spoiled little rich by ,,a liar and an acholic in the past ..probally still is one ,,,,,starr in texas,,,,,,

]]> By: End of the Roman Empire Pt.64 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-906918 End of the Roman Empire Pt.64 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:04:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-906918 philip+witak; Yer right on the money...all hail Freedonia.....i hear the new world order gearing up for ...what elae...war & world dom.so eat yer mcfood and shop at yer walmarts....plastic food & plastic clothes...for a plastic people in a plastic world....with sperm count off by over 50%( globably) this group of bipeds is dead...extinked....to bad....such a nice blue planet....now just dead crap........love D.J.S. philip+witak;
Yer right on the money…all hail Freedonia…..i hear the new world order gearing up for …what elae…war & world dom.so eat yer mcfood and shop at yer walmarts….plastic food & plastic clothes…for a plastic people in a plastic world….with sperm count off by over 50%( globably) this group of bipeds is dead…extinked….to bad….such a nice blue planet….now just dead crap……..love D.J.S.

]]> By: End of the Roman Empire Pt.63. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-906817 End of the Roman Empire Pt.63. Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:50:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-906817 Dear A+Real+Amerikan; get yer head out of the sand...or is it shoved elseware.....your past 'leaders of freedom' , must be spinning in their collective graves. The rest of the world is amazed by the pap you guys pump out...WMD'S....INDEED, more patsies...for Fox...P.R & bullshit...it's the american way...bullies till the last.....we await yer end...and you will bring it on yourselves....good duplication of the Hitlar era... Dear A+Real+Amerikan;
get yer head out of the sand…or is it shoved elseware…..your past ‘leaders of freedom’ , must be spinning in their collective graves. The rest of the world is amazed by the pap you guys pump out…WMD’S….INDEED, more patsies…for Fox…P.R & bullshit…it’s the american way…bullies till the last…..we await yer end…and you will bring it on yourselves….good duplication of the Hitlar era…

]]> By: Triumph http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-906561 Triumph Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:08:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-906561 #162 Engram #1 I read the link. I think the response by " T.D. Larkin " in the "Comments" section dismantles the argument pretty well. #2 This view - the tendency to ignore good advice if it contradicts what they want to believe - is consistent with other reports that have been out for years. Go read: "Preparing for War, Stumbling to Peace - U.S. is Paying the Price for Missteps Made on Iraq" by Mark Fineman, Robin Wright and Doyle McManus This first appeared in the LA Times July of 2003. Over 3 years ago. #162

Engram

#1 I read the link.

I think the response by ” T.D. Larkin ” in the “Comments” section dismantles the argument pretty well.

#2 This view – the tendency to ignore good advice if it contradicts what they want to believe – is consistent with other reports that have been out for years.

Go read: “Preparing for War, Stumbling to Peace – U.S. is Paying the Price for Missteps Made on Iraq”
by Mark Fineman, Robin Wright and Doyle McManus

This first appeared in the LA Times July of 2003. Over 3 years ago.

]]> By: Engram http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-906193 Engram Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:16:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-906193 You should read <a href="http://engram-backtalk.blogspot.com/2006/09/bob-woodward-has-book-to-sell.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> before taking Woodward too seriously. You should read this before taking Woodward too seriously.

]]> By: ed pefferman http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-906029 ed pefferman Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:52:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-906029 Bush say's that the Iraq War will only be " a comma in history", Cheney say's that knowing what he now knows " he would do it all over again. This is not only denial ...it is insanity. ed Bush say’s that the Iraq War will only be ” a comma in history”, Cheney say’s that knowing what he now knows ” he would do it all over again.

This is not only denial …it is insanity.

ed

]]> By: Killer Whale http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-905992 Killer Whale Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:47:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-905992 #12 & #14. A R A Read this. Director George Tenet and his counterterrorism head Cofer Black “went over top-secret intelligence pointing to an impending attack and ’sounded the loudest warning’ to the White House of a likely attack on the U.S. by Bin Laden. Woodward writes that Rice was polite, but, ‘They felt the brushoff.’“ An actual "Real American" would have - the same day, convened a meeting of the CSG [Counterterrorism Security Group] to discuss the threat. To address the hijacking warning, an actual "Real American" would have put the airports thought to be involved on maximum security immediately. An actual "Real American" would have had the CIA distribute versions of the report to the FBI and FAA to pass to the New York Police Department and the airlines. For your sake - A R A - I hope that you and your CO in Iraq are wiser with threat assessments than Rice. Good luck. "G Dawg" - <strong>YOU</strong> for president? "President G-Dawg?" Your posts (#14 included) are usually pure crap. But "President G-Dawg" is actually kind of funny ! What is your real name, anyway - "Barney?" #12 & #14.

A R A

Read this.

Director George Tenet and his counterterrorism head Cofer Black “went over top-secret intelligence pointing to an impending attack and ’sounded the loudest warning’ to the White House of a likely attack on the U.S. by Bin Laden. Woodward writes that Rice was polite, but, ‘They felt the brushoff.’“

An actual “Real American” would have – the same day, convened a meeting of the CSG [Counterterrorism Security Group] to discuss the threat. To address the hijacking warning, an actual “Real American” would have put the airports thought to be involved on maximum security immediately. An actual “Real American” would have had the CIA distribute versions of the report to the FBI and FAA to pass to the New York Police Department and the airlines.

For your sake – A R A – I hope that you and your CO in Iraq are wiser with threat assessments than Rice.

Good luck.

“G Dawg” – YOU for president? “President G-Dawg?”

Your posts (#14 included) are usually pure crap. But “President G-Dawg” is actually kind of funny !

What is your real name, anyway – “Barney?”

]]> By: Killer Whale http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-905777 Killer Whale Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:08:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-905777 #156 Paul. Welcome back. And thanks for the good post. There is a movie out called "The Ground Truth" http://www.thegroundtruth.org The Iraq War experience is described by vets in their own words. If you decide to watch it - you may want to have a pen and pad ready. A few of the vets in the movie have started organizations to help vets with the transition back to civilian life. Could be useful for you or some of your battle mates. #156

Paul.

Welcome back.

And thanks for the good post.

There is a movie out called “The Ground Truth”

http://www.thegroundtruth.org

The Iraq War experience is described by vets in their own words.

If you decide to watch it – you may want to have a pen and pad ready. A few of the vets in the movie have started organizations to help vets with the transition back to civilian life.

Could be useful for you or some of your battle mates.

]]> By: mike http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-905743 mike Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:01:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-905743 "Bush is covering up the extent of violence against U.S. troops in Iraq:" Woodward is covering up the lack of intelligence in our President. “Bush is covering up the extent of violence against U.S. troops in Iraq:”

Woodward is covering up the lack of intelligence in our President.

]]> By: philip+witak http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-905364 philip+witak Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:54:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-905364 re: #14 - "Why do you liberals always side with the enemy?" Comment by G-Dawg — September 28, 2006 @ 12:35 pm listen up, goofy. liberals are not siding with the enemy - you are. it's you, and other idiots just like you, who are destroying this country by trashing truth, our constitution and our individual rights; willfully sacrificing military personnel and resources; intentionally depleting our treasury; promoting fear, anger and deception here and abroad for your own partisan political purposes, all while simultaneously discounting honorable dissent; and severely tarnishing our influence and reputation throughout the world with your moronic, rabid support of the nitwit bush, the dipshit neocons and their illegal preemptive war against iraq. re: #14 – “Why do you liberals always side with the enemy?”
Comment by G-Dawg — September 28, 2006 @ 12:35 pm

listen up, goofy. liberals are not siding with the enemy – you are. it’s you, and other idiots just like you, who are destroying this country by trashing truth, our constitution and our individual rights; willfully sacrificing military personnel and resources; intentionally depleting our treasury; promoting fear, anger and deception here and abroad for your own partisan political purposes, all while simultaneously discounting honorable dissent; and severely tarnishing our influence and reputation throughout the world with your moronic, rabid support of the nitwit bush, the dipshit neocons and their illegal preemptive war against iraq.

]]> By: paul http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-905017 paul Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:09:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-905017 there are some real crazy people on this post. I am US Marine and I was over there and it was one big cricus over there. How could you explain that in Desert Storm we sent 500,000 troops for little Kuwait and only send around 130,000 for Iraq, makes you think. Imagine if 500,000 would be over there, the country probably would be a lot more stable. Guess what happens to the price of oil, goes DOWN. But Bush sends just enough to say we are doing something and keeps the price of oil high. I can't believe most people don't see this. I was there with a unit from cherry point and they did not even have the updated flack jackets, Bush what a military supporter. If you look at, Clinton was better for the military than Bush. TO DISAGREE IS WHAT MAKES OUR COUNTRY GREAT. But this circus has to end b/c we just gave Iran a gift. G-dawg, you are a complete idiot and I would bet that you have never served in front line comabt as I have. How about some constructive debate and not some spew of crap. Semper Fi to all fellow Marines, we will get you back here soon. there are some real crazy people on this post. I am US Marine and I was over there and it was one big cricus over there. How could you explain that in Desert Storm we sent 500,000 troops for little Kuwait and only send around 130,000 for Iraq, makes you think. Imagine if 500,000 would be over there, the country probably would be a lot more stable. Guess what happens to the price of oil, goes DOWN. But Bush sends just enough to say we are doing something and keeps the price of oil high. I can’t believe most people don’t see this. I was there with a unit from cherry point and they did not even have the updated flack jackets, Bush what a military supporter. If you look at, Clinton was better for the military than Bush. TO DISAGREE IS WHAT MAKES OUR COUNTRY GREAT. But this circus has to end b/c we just gave Iran a gift. G-dawg, you are a complete idiot and I would bet that you have never served in front line comabt as I have. How about some constructive debate and not some spew of crap. Semper Fi to all fellow Marines, we will get you back here soon.

]]> By: Anti-Chr1st http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/comment-page-4/#comment-904713 Anti-Chr1st Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:19:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/28/woodward-book/#comment-904713 Wow..you all are dumb. Do you really think Democrats or Replublicans really give a crap about what YOU think? The Dogs in DC are there for THEMSELVES. You really think they're there to represent you? hahahah... Wake up people.....the era we are in now will be known as the corrupt era. The people leading this nation could care less about you or me..all they care about is themselves and keeping THEIR status quo. Wow..you all are dumb.

Do you really think Democrats or Replublicans really give a crap about what YOU think? The Dogs in DC are there for THEMSELVES. You really think they’re there to represent you? hahahah…

Wake up people…..the era we are in now will be known as the corrupt era. The people leading this nation could care less about you or me..all they care about is themselves and keeping THEIR status quo.

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