Bush Officials May Have Covered Up Rice-Tenet Meeting From 9/11 Commission
Bush Officials May Have Covered Up Rice-Tenet Meeting From 9/11 Commission
[Our guest blogger, Peter Rundlet, was a Counsel to the 9/11 Commission.]
Most of the world has now seen the infamous picture of President Bush tending to his ranch on August 6, 2001, the day he received the ultra-classified Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) that included a report entitled “Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US.” And most Americans have also heard of the so-called “Phoenix Memo” that an FBI agent in Phoenix sent to FBI headquarters on July 10, 2001, which advised of the “possibility of a coordinated effort” by bin Laden to send students to the United States to attend civil aviation schools.
As a Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, I became very familiar with both the PDB and the Phoenix Memo, as well as the tragic consequences of the failure to detect and stop the plot. A mixture of shock, anger, and sadness overcame me when I read about revelations in Bob Woodward’s new book about a special surprise visit that George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief Cofer Black made to Condi Rice, also on July 10, 2001:
They went over top-secret intelligence pointing to an impending attack and “sounded the loudest warning” to the White House of a likely attack on the U.S. by Bin Laden.
Woodward writes that Rice was polite, but, “They felt the brushoff.”
If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation — questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administration’s actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting. As Commissioner Jamie Gorelick pointed out, “We didn’t know about the meeting itself. I can assure you it would have been in our report if we had known to ask about it.”
The Commission interviewed Condoleezza Rice privately and during public testimony; it interviewed George Tenet three times privately and during public testimony; and Cofer Black was also interviewed privately and publicly. All of them were obligated to tell the truth. Apparently, none of them described this meeting, the purpose of which clearly was central to the Commission’s investigation. Moreover, document requests to both the White House and to the CIA should have revealed the fact that this meeting took place. Now, more than two years after the release of the Commission’s report, we learn of this meeting from Bob Woodward.
Was it covered up? It is hard to come to a different conclusion. If one could suspend disbelief to accept that all three officials forgot about the meeting when they were interviewed, then one possibility is that the memory of one of them was later jogged by notes or documents that describe the meeting. If such documents exist, the 9/11 Commission should have seen them. According to Woodward’s book, Cofer Black exonerates them all this way: “Though the investigators had access to all the paperwork about the meeting, Black felt there were things the commissions wanted to know about and things they didn’t want to know about.” The notion that both the 9/11 Commission and the Congressional Joint Inquiry that investigated the intelligence prior to 9/11 did not want to know about such essential information is simply absurd. At a minimum, the withholding of information about this meeting is an outrage. Very possibly, someone committed a crime. And worst of all, they failed to stop the plot.
– Peter Rundlet
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It becomes more and more clear tome that this event was allowed to happen. The alternative leads to considering such high levels of incompetence as to suspect Mickey Mouse and his crew could have done as good a job. Somebody clearly thinks the American people stupid.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:23 pmSo what happens now?
September 30th, 2006 at 6:25 pmI don’t know about Tenet and Black, Condi Rice testified under oath. A lie of omission is still a lie.
Woodward knew about this meeting all this time, and yet waited until now to disclose it.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:25 pmNothing new here. Just another disagreement over the interpretation of old data. Lets move on.
- D. Rumsfeld
September 30th, 2006 at 6:27 pmIt’s time to lawyer up for all the GOP and the White House. The lies are coming out faster then we can handle. I ‘m still in shock that we have GOP officials who are child sex offenders. Those who covered up are part of the criminal acts. Now we know the White House lied and the truth is out. Yes Connie’s been lying since the beginning. Tenet did what it took to keep his job and if that ment sucking up and lying for Bush so be it. Now they have to face those lies as the American people see the truth.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:31 pm“Somebody clearly thinks the American people stupid.”
Are you saying they aren’t? I belong to a large family of idiots.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:33 pmBushCo just let 9/11 happen. That’s unforgivable.
If they had done their jobs, and tried everything they possibly could to try and stop 9/11, but failed, it would be easier to forgive.
But they didn’t care, didn’t try, and then they tried to cover their asses with lies, lies and more lies.
They should all be in prison.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:36 pmI would say that this is a breathtaking revelation but then I would also have to believe that this administration was actually competent and simply got the surprise of their lives like everyone else 5 years ago.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:39 pmSadly, that is not the case here. What it is is the latest example of what I think now looks like the Bushies complicity in the murder of almost 3,000 innocent people that day. What has followed since is only a confirmation of their utter contempt for the Americaqn People and our safty and welfare. They simply don’t give a rats a** about us.
A coverup is the only thing that does seem to make sense. The commission did not know about the meeting and so did not ask about it. Rice, Tenet, and Black did not volunteer the information though they all had to know that the fact that this meeting occured was blockbuster information that the 9/11 commission and everyone else would have been very interested in. This story needs to appear on the front page of the major papers and Rice, Tenet and Black need to talk publicly about what happened.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:42 pmBush Officials May Have Covered Up Rice-Tenet Meeting …
Why wasn’t the 9/11 Commission told about George Tenet’s warnings on Al Qaeda in July 2001?…
September 30th, 2006 at 6:46 pmFor the past 5 years I have tried to brush most of the problems our country has been led into by the Bush Admin as plain incompetence. However, every time a new piece of information comes out about their actions leading up to the war in Iraq leads me closer to the following conclusion.
Bush and his administration NEEDED 9/11 to happen in order to push forward their middle east agenda. To that goal, they either looked the other way or ACTIVELY CONSPIRED to bring about 9/11.
They are as guilty as Bin Laden in either case.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:50 pmIt is clear more than ever –
The Commission needs to reopen the investigation.
Questions remain unanswered. Here are a few that are disconcertingly dismissed as “nonsense conspiracy theories.”
1 – How is it that WTC 7, a 47 story building that wasn’t hit by a plane on 9/11, collapsed from fire alone? This defies the basic principles of science. No steel frame structure has ever collapsed from fire alone.
2 – Why did FEMA and the 9/11 Commission leave out WTC from their investigation? I am sure insurance companies would love to know why it happened. I am sure aspiring architectural engineers whould know as well.
3 – Why was all the steel from WTC shipped off to China, even before the investigation was opened? This could be considered the greatest tampering (or destruction) of evidence in the history of forensics. What were they hiding?
4 – Why didn’t the SEC investigate the tremendous spike in put-options for airline companies that took place in the days prior to 9/11? Isn’t this clearly a red-flag that someone had foreknowledge? Why not investigate those who profitted from this info?
5 – Why was the Bush administration so opposed to an investigation into 9/11 to begin with? Why wasn’t he or Cheney called to testify? If this was a company, you know the CEO would have been questioned by the authorities.
6 – How is it that no one has been fired for the gross security failures and negligence of the 9/11 attacks? The only one who admitted any fault was Richard Clarke. Read his book – it says a lot.
7 – Why isn’t Osama bin Laden listed as wanted for 9/11 on the FBI website? He is only wanted for the embassy attacks of 1998. Who is responsible for these attcks?
8 – Why did Ashcroft start to fly on private charters in the weeks leading up to 9/11? Who was it that gave San Francisco Mayor Brown the warning not to fly before 9/11? What are the roots of these warnings? Who knew what and when? Why was that omitted from the investigation?
9 – And now…does this recent info about a July 10, 2001 meeting between the CIA and Condi Rice suggest that the Bush adminsitration had some knowledge that attacks were imminent? Why did he continue to vacation after receiving the Aug. 6th PDB memo that bin Laden was determined to attack? Couldn’t he have given the American people some warning that Ashcroft and Mayor Brown ostensibly received?
People… trust me when I say that the whole story has not been revealed to us about why 9/11 happened. The unanswered questions should be explored. The truth isn’t possible by being passive. I implore you to seek these answers for yourselves. The real conspiracy, and an outrageous one at that, is the one that was given to us by our government.
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“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.†- Arthur Schopenhauer
September 30th, 2006 at 6:58 pmI still have relatives and co-workers who defend the Bush Regime – even people who consider themselves moderates and liberals. They watch the local news and believe the garbage that they sell for news.
People in this country do not think for themselves. And as a high school teacher, I’d be happy to tell you why. We spend 12 years training them to be lemmings. Sit in your seat, shut-up and memorize everything your teachers, preachers, politicians and parents tell you to. The mentality is “Do what I say and never ever have a thought of your own that I didn’t give you”. Really, what to we expect from people after that? No wonder Einstein dropped out.
Friday, I met with two of my students after school to discuss the trip we’re taking to Europe this summer. I asked them what they liked about school and what they didn’t. They pretty much confirmed what I just wrote.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:59 pmOur Federal Government has become what we have allowed.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:03 pmOne has only to watch 1 hour of television to see what we have become as a nation.
When it is more important who in hollywood is sleeping with whom and what “reality” event shapes our day, we can expect the foxes to eat all the chicken and convince us it was to make us more secure.
unbelievable,
My father stills says to this day that he believes Bush did his best before and after 9/11 & Katrina.
I’ve sent him TP’s timelines and other things, but nothing penetrates. My dad is not a stupid person, he just cannot believe anyone would do a bad job at something as important as the presidency. I’m sure there are many, many people just like him out there.
He’s a history buff, so I hope he lives long enough to read the Bush horror story in a book (not from me), and have him say to me, “Did you know…?”
Now, when the topics come up, I just say, “Spare me…”
September 30th, 2006 at 7:07 pmTo the above comment made by unbelievable:
I am a teacher as well. I completely agree with you. We need to teach our students to be independent thinkers and objectives critics of what is often presented as fact.
My previous post was a collection of inquiries that were not handed to me as I lazily skimmed through channels via the remote control. And the newspapers, even the reputable ones, like the NY Times, did not steer me to question the truth about 9/11.
It was friends who lived near the accident. It was another collegue who lost a loved one. It was a distant relative who worked at the clean-up site for the WTC and was left questioning what was missing from the evening news.
While we can’t force any particular theory down the throats of our loved ones or our students or a co-workers, we can leave them with the questions. If they choose to dimiss the questions on the spot, or to mock us for our unbending curiosity, then what’s worked for me is to silently walk away knowing that they either can’t understand the truth, are lazy, or are too afraid to seek it for themselves. Time will pass. Things will change.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.†- Arthur Schopenhauer
September 30th, 2006 at 7:12 pmHuh. I guess that explains the look on Georges face that day when he was reading his kiddie book.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
9/11:
September 30th, 2006 at 7:28 pmIf you watch someone get beat to death, are you legally guilty of anything? No. If you know an attack is coming as did Bush and FDR, and you don’t tell anyone to stop it, have you committed a crime? No. It’s a sin (not crime) of omission. It’s as bad as a crime, but isn’t one. However, impeachment doesn’t require a crime, just a politicial mistake. And that’s why it’s time for some former coward to make THE BIG MOVE.
Now, when the topics come up, I just say, “Spare me…â€
Comment by Zooey — September 30, 2006 @ 7:07 pm
Sounds like one of my brothers. He’s like your Dad in the sense that he cannot question anyone UP the chain of command. The whole respect for hierarchy thing. My brother and I fight when we talk about politics and he makes up crap when he’s being out debated (the facts always have a way of doing that :). Eventually, when I debunk a few of his fabrications he just says “I’m not going to discuss politics with you.” I keep hoping he’ll catch on, but like you, I’m doubtful.
Though several of my students are going to vote, and have actually been encouraging one another. I told them that if Bush starts a war with Iran, guess who is going to fight it. I think it woke them up.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:29 pmSeptember 30th, 2006 at 7:29 pm
First, I would like to know how it comes to pass that we learn this from Bob Woodward, and why (in view of his past inability to report in a timely fashion critical facts) should we believe him.
Secondly, if the report of this meeting is true and Condi Rice decided to brush them off, how does this materially affect anything we do not already know…. apart from perjury or witholding evidence. Oh that’s right, they aren’t criminals.
Where is the Special Prosecutor for occasions like this? Where is Ken Starr when he could do some actual good investigating a real issue?
Republicans are liars first and incompetents second. Where is the news in that?
September 30th, 2006 at 7:30 pmYou are all crazy.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:30 pmI just ordered Woodward’s Book from Amazon. I should have it Tuesday, Oct. 3. I have a suggestion, if you can do so, purchase a copy of the book for yourself and then give it to someone else to read. It should go to someone who needs to be convienced that it is time for a change. This cannot go on if our country is to survive.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:32 pmDid you notice what the student that Foley was hitting on did? Read the correspondence back and forth and then the email he sent to a friend.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:34 pmKids, particularly those with Internet savvy, are way on top of all of this. They are back to not trusting anyone over thirty and believing in themselves more than what they are spoonfed in school.
I teach at two colleges; one a small Catholic college of mostly mid-level Health Care and LE. The other is Broward Community College and these kids are sharp; not about school but life and the political landscape. They have had it but are not retreating–they just go to MySpace and writie about it with their peers.
Just like the iPod has changed the way they listen to music, the Internet frees them up to speak their mind minus all the crap. They also have to be streetsmart at school and online. Doesn’t matter if they are in the city, the burbs or the exburbs.
I feel good about this and believe that the real story in the Foley case is the reaction of the Pages among themselves.
So President Clinton was right during his recent interview with Chris Wallace on Faux News. He tried but failed. The Bush Administration did nothing.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:34 pmRob,
I actually had students who thanked me this week for asking them what they thing about things. It’s what got me to wondering what the rest of their teachers are like. I teach Architecture, and frequently tell them that parts of it are subjective, so there are no right or wrong answers. As long as they can back up their opinions with facts, experiences or credible sources, I will give them credit on the test. For some of them it has been like pulling teeth to get them to do this. I’m not giving up though.
Hopefully there will be more teachers who feel as we do – that it’s more important as a nation for children to prove us wrong when are than to feed our egos by immitating us…
For the record, the 9/11 conspiracy theory posts are not welcomed here and are deleted by the administrators. They ask people to take it to other forums. Thought I’d let you know.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:34 pmYes, against humanity.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:38 pmAs I remember the administration didn’t want Condi to testify at the 911 hearings. It was on and off again and then they caved. Wasn’t there something about being under oath or not too?
September 30th, 2006 at 7:38 pmThis is serious and warrants further questioning. Nothing they ever said or say seems to be the truth.
Bill
Funny, I was thinking that about the Bush cabal and, well..you.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:40 pmBut, “Who could have ever guessed they would use Airplanes to Attack us,” don’cha know?
September 30th, 2006 at 7:41 pmI wonder if the guest blogger can now tell us what was in those 27 pages or so that were redacted from the 9/11 commission report?
September 30th, 2006 at 7:43 pm9/11 was in fact the result of a conspiracy.
No one with a brain can disagree with that statement.
Anyone who doesn’t have a Theory about this Conspiracy is in denial.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:45 pmI think Condi Rice is a much bigger part of all of the coverups than anyone imagines; but everyone seems afraid to go after her. I wonder why? Remember when she explained not knowing that the yellowcake claims from Niger were forgeries; that maybe somewhere down in the “bowels of the agency” somebody knew about it, but she had no idea. I believe the CIA sent the information to Condi’s assistant (smart move!), who (we are to believe) must have forgotten or neglected to pass on the information to her. What a load of crap. The reason that nobody gets fired in this administration is that everyone has a truckload of dirt on everyone else! That’s why a WMD “slam dunk” will get you a Medal of Freedom.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:46 pmYou are all crazy.
Comment by Kevin
I know! Do you have specifics…..?
September 30th, 2006 at 7:47 pmThe fact that both parties failed to disclose this further indicates cover-up and duplicity by both admin (Rice) and intellegence (Tenet). The admin is infested with criminals. Please, will whistleblowers step forward.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:51 pmNuggets,
Both parties….?
September 30th, 2006 at 7:53 pmI have maintained from the start that Condoleeza Rice fell asleep at the wheel. Lesser mortals would have been fired; she was not. This has been the pattern of the Bush Administration from its inception—incompetence and not having to be held accountable for one’s incompetence.
I am aghast that Americans have turned a blind eye to this overall incompetence for the past 6 years. The American people voted for “values”; thus, they deserve the President they elected.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:54 pmUnbelievable –
Kudos to you. That’s what it’s all about. In the spirit of John Dewey, we are not to produce automatons in our schools, but critical thinkers. The ultimate goal for educators should be to teach students to teach themselves. Having been at this profession for 8 years now, it’s great to have former students come back and thank me for being supportive in this manner.
As for the administrators of this website, as you warned me… we’ll see if they’re willing to refute perfectly legitimate and scientifically sound questions and concerns. If they do, so much for free speech…and meaningful speech at that.
I’ll say it again – the real conspiracy is to believe the government supported myth that has been fed to us via the major news networks.
One zogby poll – 45% of Americans support a new 9/11 investigation. That number is creeping up to a majority. More people are actively seeking answers.
The truth is out there.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:54 pmKevin,
Self-Delusion breed’s pride and pride breeds the inability to learn.
When fascism comes to the United States, it will be waving a flag and carrying a cross.
Attempting to dismiss the logic of others by calling them names or simply dismissing them as “idiots” is to loudly proclaim your own lack thereof. An intelligent response would be to state why or how you think that these people are wrong.
“States are not moral agents.” – Chomsky
September 30th, 2006 at 7:57 pmPer the book, the reason the 9/11 Commission did not know of this meeting was a cover up by the lead commission investigator (he is named in the book) who was friends with and happened to co-author a book with Ms. Rice. Ouch!!!
September 30th, 2006 at 7:58 pmSteve,
What is that person’s name?
September 30th, 2006 at 8:00 pmWhy did the Bush administration fight the creation of an independent, bipartisan investigation into 9/11 in the first place?
Once they caved to public pressure, why were they so uncooperative in delivering 10’s of thousands of documents requested by the Commission?
Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to testify to the 9/11 Commission unless they appeared together?
Why didn’t they testify publicly? Or under oath?
You’d think that a government so very concerned about 9/11 would have been more eager to get to the bottom of what happened that day. You’d think that at the very least, they wouldn’t have tried to appoint Henry Kissinger initially, to oversee the Commission.
Almost every member of the 9/11 Commission, including Jamie Gorelick, has strong ties to defense contractors. Draw your own conclusions there.
They’re covering up, I’m just not sure what.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:02 pmJust another tragic piece of evidence that Buch & Co were so stoked about their new power, that they focused only on what THEY were interested in. All the other stuff was viewed as “Clinton” stuff and insignificant details. They brushed aside experts, warnings, critical information all along the way and have continued to close their ears regarding the War. Thousands have died because of their arrogant incompetence. They lie so often, they think it is their right to lie to push whatever goal they seek. Each one is indecent in the least and likely criminal with respect to neglect, violation of oath of office and abuse of power. I pray November will find the DEMs running the House and the investigations will begin full force. Only shedding light on this corruption and incompetence will save the country. This is bigger than a U.S. problem. The world is watching as well.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:07 pmAs I asked previously – Why wasn’t anyone fired as a result of 9/11?
If this were a company and 3000 innocent people were killed as the result of gross negligence and incompetence, it is undeniable that heads would have been severed and displayed for the public.
From a purely economic and legal stand-point… it is undeniable that 9/11 is a conspiracy and the parties responsible for standing down that day have not been held accountable.
Hopefully Woodward’s book will get more people curious again. Hopefully there will be another investigation – a truly independent one.
If you feel strong about this, do as I did and request that your local congressional rep and senator open the case again. This news about Rice suggests yet again that this administration hasn’t been forthright with us. If this suggests perjury… then just think back to the last time we had a sitting president testify in the grounds of lying in court.
No one died when Clinton lied.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:09 pmLying at watergate cost only the President of this land his job, however lying by this so called President has not only cost us the infamy of 911, but also unnecessary deaths of soldiers, as well as Iraqis, who went about their business, before Saddam was attacked on false pretext.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:13 pmOnly thing left to do now is take back both the houses this November, and impeach Bushand all other incompetent fools who sorround him. Let there never be a President who uses Religion to misguide him as well as masses.
Please God, lets this push voters to the polls in November to vote in the Democrats that will appoint the Special Prosecutor needed to get to the truth of this tragedy.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:14 pmIf they can keep one bottle of nail polish off an airplane now, why couldn’t they keep 20-30 Arab terrists off five years ago? Has technology advanced that far is such a short time? This stuff is getting old. It is time to vote out the perverts, liars, thieves, cheats, crooks, imbeciles, and plain incumbents. Oust all the incumbents, particularly the rethuglican incumbents. Then impeach those that are left.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:15 pmClyde,
They just didn’t care. And they don’t particularly care now.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:18 pmthis latest has me trembling… i don’t know if i should scream or cry…
wonder what the sunday talking heads will have to say…
per cromulant #21 – can we believe woodward?
September 30th, 2006 at 8:21 pmsomehow it’s actually easier to believe him rather than bushco…
hmm… imagine that…
Philip Zelikow is the executive director of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, better known as the “9/11 Commission.” He is also the director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs and White Burkett Miller Professor of History at the University of Virginia. After serving in government with the Navy, the State Department, and the National Security Council, he taught at Harvard before assuming his present post in Virginia to direct the nation’s largest research center on the American presidency. He was a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and served as executive director of the National Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former Presidents Carter and Ford, as well as the executive director of the Markle Foundation Task Force on National Security in the Information Age. Zelikow’s books include The Kennedy Tapes (with Ernest May), Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (with Condoleezza Rice)…
September 30th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
i don’t know if i should scream or cry…
Comment by katy
I feel that way a lot of the time, too.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:22 pmeveryday…
September 30th, 2006 at 8:28 pmHere is a link to the soon to be more famous Philip Zelikow…
September 30th, 2006 at 8:28 pm
Thanks Steve.
I thought I recognized the name. From today’s Think Fast thread:
In February 2005, two weeks after Condi Rice became secretary of state, her top aide Phillip Zelikow “presented her with a 15-page, single-spaced secret memo†summing up his fact-finding trip to Iraq. “At this point Iraq remains a failed state shadowed by constant violence and undergoing revolutionary political change,†Zelikow wrote.
It was a massive conflict of interest for this guy to be involved with the 9/11 Commission.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:28 pmZooey,
This guy decided what was and was not important, and what the commission would persue.
It’s just like every other Bu$hCo appointee; the fox guarding the hen house…
September 30th, 2006 at 8:35 pm#37 ~I have maintained from the start that Condoleeza Rice fell asleep at the wheel. Lesser mortals would have been fired; she was not. ~
She has an abundance of the only quality Bush has ever looked for: Unquestioning loyalty to him.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:36 pmIt’s just like every other Bu$hCo appointee; the fox guarding the hen house…
Comment by Steve
Oh my god, the 9/11 Commission Report is a complete scam. I doubt we will ever know the truth.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:41 pmThis guy [Zelikow] decided what was and was not important, and what the commission would persue.
Comment by Steve — September 30, 2006 @ 8:35 pm
from the story above:
According to Woodward’s book, Cofer Black exonerates them all this way: “Though the investigators had access to all the paperwork about the meeting, Black felt there were things the commissions wanted to know about and things they didn’t want to know about.â€
huh… did i connect something there?
September 30th, 2006 at 8:46 pmseems they all got their stories straight before testifying… …?
My only question about all this is:
Who is making profits out of this? There you have who planned 9/11.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:49 pmIt’s been pretty clear to a lot of people for a long time that the official story about 9/11 was not right–especially among those of us who were directly impacted by the tragedy. Remember that the respected pollster Zogby International found in 2004 that half of New Yorkers believed US leaders had foreknowledge of the impending attacks and had “consciously failed†to act. Half of New Yorkers. That’s millions of folks.
At first, these people were ridiculed when they dared to question the official story, confirming the accuracy of what Schopenhauer once said, as Rob the Truthseeker has so helpfully pointed out.
Lately, the truth is being actively opposed.
But as more and more dribbles out, it’s becoming clearer and clearer to more and more awakening people: 9/11 was the means to an end, the pretext to a larger goal, years in the planning, by a group of dangerous ideologues who wanted to remake the world. It was the “catastrophic and catalyzing event” and the “new Pearl Harbor” spoken of in the Project for the New American Century’s 2000 report, Rebuilding America’s Defenses.
Well, the ideologues have remade the world. And what a tragic mess they’ve created.
All I hope is that there is some accountability left in the universe and that justice is served for the tens of thousands of victims who have suffered since that horrifically awful day.
What has now become pretty clear is that the criminals will use every means at their disposal to prevent such accountability, even to shredding centuries of precedent in jurisprudence in order to protect themselves. No matter how much more harm is done.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:52 pmWoodward claims the intelligence Tenet and Black shared with Rice included communication intercepts indicating the likelihood of an Al Qaeda attack on U.S. soil.
Tenet said he had hoped the meeting would shock Rice into encouraging the President to take immediate action against Al Qaeda.
Black, looking back at the July 10, 2001, meeting with Rice, concludes, “The only thing we didn’t do was pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her [Rice's] head.”
Woodward says that Tenet described the meeting as a “tremendous lost opportunity to prevent or disrupt the 9/11 attacks.”
Tenet also claims that his alarm over Bin Laden was downplayed by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who asked, “Could all this be a grand deception?”
The book claims that two weeks before the July meeting with Rice, Tenet told Richard Clarke, the National Security Council’s counterterrorism director, of his gut feeling about a likely attack.
“It’s my sixth sense, but I feel it coming. This is going to be the big one,” the book quotes Tenet as telling Clarke.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:52 pmFor more interesting stuff on Zelikow, see this article:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0115-11.htm
If the link doesn’t come through, you can Google: whitewash shaun waterman
…this is the story of how Zelikow, because he was part of the Bush transition team when they officially took office, testified HIMSELF to the 9/11 Commission. This conflict of interest set off the families of the victims of 9/11.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:53 pmThis pack of bushrat scum are not only responsible for the murder of thousands in New York City they are also responsible for the thousands of our soldiers maimed and killed in the unnescesssary war in Iraq. Remember to keep the sleaze and slime in government be sure to vote for the pedopublicans in November. So torture somebody today!
September 30th, 2006 at 8:54 pmI look forward to Rice and Rumsfeld being awarded the freedom medal , as awarded to Franks, Bremer, and Tenant, for their magnificent contribution to help ensure the safety of american citizens. It only follows since none have admitted to making mistakes in the “war on terror”. Indeed, AIPAC should fiscally squeeze the NGO think tanks to crank out “goodthink” preemption position papers, and push for Bush to get the Nobel Peace prize…Hell, if one of the prime butchers in “oxymoron history”, Kissinger, could be awarded that prize, surely Bush, with each passing bloody day in Iraq, is becoming more than eligble for such an august award
September 30th, 2006 at 9:04 pmthe criminals will use every means at their disposal to prevent such accountability, even to shredding centuries of precedent in jurisprudence in order to protect themselves.
Comment by Yankeeinpacnw
Well in fact thats what the law is about. To protect the interests of the ruling class. Have a wealthy CEO received the death penalty? No. Do rich guys are sent to prison just like a black gang member is? No. Do poor latinamerican farmers and peasants will succeed at stopping Monsanto? I dont think so. And the examples can go on and on. Governments and laws are made to protect profits of companies.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:05 pmThese people;Condi Rice,Bush,Cheney,etc. have been allowed to lie with impunity for five years now,they are not going to suddenly grow a conscience and start telling the truth.I doubt they even know what the truth is.If they are not placed under oath and questioned by a competent prosecutor and demanded to give clear answers they will continue to lie until this country has gone to hell.The 911 Commission did not do the job the American people expected them to do.That was a big waste of taxpayers money.This one incident is not all they failed to report.There were numerous other incidents.Toeven expect a truthful investigation from this bunch is stupid in the exterme.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:08 pmThese people;Condi Rice,Bush,Cheney,etc. have been allowed to lie with impunity for five years now,they are not going to suddenly grow a conscience and start telling the truth.I doubt they even know what the truth is.If they are not placed under oath and questioned by a competent prosecutor and demanded to give clear answers they will continue to lie until this country has gone to hell.The 911 Commission did not do the job the American people expected them to do.That was a big waste of taxpayers money.This one incident is not all they failed to report.There were numerous other incidents.Toeven expect a truthful investigation from this bunch is stupid in the exterme.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:08 pmI remember Kristen Breitweiser and the Jersey Girls complaining about Zelikow when the commission was first formed.
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According to Woodward’s book, Cofer Black exonerates them all this way: “Though the investigators had access to all the paperwork about the meeting, Black felt there were things the commissions wanted to know about and things they didn’t want to know about.â€
huh… did i connect something there?
seems they all got their stories straight before testifying… …?
Comment by katy
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I read this section of the book today and didn’t feel that Black exonerated everyone. I felt that he was just lamenting the fact that Zilikow was a “company man”.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:09 pmif one of the prime butchers in “oxymoron historyâ€, Kissinger, could be awarded that prize
Comment by Frank
Im sure The Nobel Foundation wants to nominate Negroponte, Stalin, Somoza and Pinochet, too.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:14 pmGovernments and laws are made to protect profits of companies.
Comment by Juan+C — September 30, 2006 @ 9:05 pm
not originally, juan… read the Preamble of the Constitution…
it has been perverted, as so much else…
this is so sad…
September 30th, 2006 at 9:16 pmThis is a smoking gun against Condi Rice, so she must resign immediately and be indicted for war crimes in Iraq!
September 30th, 2006 at 9:16 pmit has been perverted, as so much else…
this is so sad…
Comment by katy
From the beginning. Democracy was invented by greeks and they had slaves…so…whats the point? Here in Mexico, we have democracy every 6 years. Whats that suppose to mean when millions of people dont know how to read? I know Im sounding extreme, but democracy is useless if people are ignorant.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:23 pmLets hope Woodward has body guards.Desparate people resort to desrarate measures.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:24 pmWhat a surprise. The Bushites lie and lie and lie. That’s not new.
We know they wanted a war to grant themselves a dictatorship. They would have taken any war that came along, and if the other guys hit us first and killed Americans on American soil, that was the best scenario the Bushites could ask for. Bin Laden gave them what they wanted, an excuse to create a dictatorship; and Bush has given Bin Laden what he wants, an unending, overseas, multi-front conflict that is unwinable, and that is bleeding America into a bankrupt, despised, second world country.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:25 pm#48 Zooey
I agree with you completely but just to say they don’t care is being kind to bushco. With the exception of DUHbya the majority of bushco are not dumb, they are intelligent and misguided amoral sociopaths. They will manipulate anything for their own personal gain and lie just for the sake of lying. To tell the truth is to pass on information that can be used against them. The nail polish bottle represented a threat and therefore generated the necessary fear in the sheeple populace to justify the position of bushco. The Arab terrorists represented an opportunity for bushco to advance their position of greed, therefore, they were not stopped. The invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq were considered long before the attack on 9/11. I do not believe the bushco was a conspirator in the attack but they sure as hell were an accessory before and after the fact. This current revelation of yet another cover-up proves the fact.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:26 pmJay #42
“Why did the Bush administration fight the creation of an independent, bipartisan investigation into 9/11 in the first place?
Once they caved to public pressure, why were they so uncooperative in delivering 10’s of thousands of documents requested by the Commission?
Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to testify to the 9/11 Commission unless they appeared together?
Why didn’t they testify publicly? Or under oath?”
These questions should be SHOUTED OUT TO EVERYONE. Be they Right-of-Right or Left-of-Left or anywhere in between. These questions must be asked. Again and Again. Drill them into the concience of America. Everyone should ask themselves these questions. Ask your friend. Ask your neighbour.
Thanks Jay for pointing those out.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:31 pm…I know Im sounding extreme, but democracy is useless if people are ignorant.
Comment by Juan+C — September 30, 2006 @ 9:23 pm
extreme times, juan…
and you are correct… i sometimes think it should be mandatory to pass a civics test before voting…
…
September 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pmthis is weird – i posted the preamble and an explination from senate.gov site and evidently TP thought it was spam…
huh…
Of course it was allowed to happen. In this administration’s own words: “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”
This except is from “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” published by PNAC including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, and others. This was published early 2000 and laid out this groups largely desires for transformation of America. One problem…they needed some catastrpohic and catalyzing event to kick it off.
BTW, what were some of the key initiatives that they wanted to kick off? (1) war with Iraq, (2) war with Iran, and (3) war with North Korea. And you wonder why this administration was so determined to invade Iraq even before 9/11? It was all in their game plan. Wake TF up America. All this info is very easy to find…if you want to find it.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:34 pmThis is by far the best discussion I’ve seen at ThinkProgress for a long time.
Thanks everyone.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:34 pmBTW, what were some of the key initiatives that they wanted to kick off? (1) war with Iraq, (2) war with Iran, and (3) war with North Korea.
Comment by Ken
Option (3) is cancelled out. They have nukes. US wont engage with a nuke holder. Ever.
This is by far the best discussion I’ve seen at ThinkProgress for a long time.
Comment by Yikes
Thats because you missed the Paella and ceviche discussion we had with Clyde, Zoo and true a while ago. :)
i sometimes think it should be mandatory to pass a civics test before voting…
September 30th, 2006 at 9:46 pmComment by katy
Even that wont help. Education is not a free ride for all. At least if you arent cuban.
Well in fact thats what the law is about. To protect the interests of the ruling class.
Comment by Juan+C
Sad but true, for the most part. However, not always. And isn’t this why The People all over the world continue to struggle? For justice?
Listen to the great abolitionist, Frederick Douglass: “If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation…want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters…. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”
September 30th, 2006 at 9:46 pmGeniusboy Don’t make accusations about FDR until you’ve read all 12. Yes 12 independent investigation. Both Roosevelt and his Vice President at that time testified under oath. Never mention Bush in the same context with Roosevelt.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:47 pmThis is by far the best discussion I’ve seen at ThinkProgress for a long time.
Thanks everyone.
Comment by Yikes
It’s amazing what we can do on the verge of being catatonic.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:48 pmWrite to your state senators and congressional reps.
Write to your local paper.
Email the news stations.
Demand answers to these questions.
The deaths of nearly 3000 American civilians on 9/11, nearly 3000 soldiers in Iraq, and the estimated 30,000 Iraqi Civilians should not be dismissed as the work of Islamic Jihadists. If there was criminal negligence, incompetence, or fraud as the root cause of these deaths on the part of the American government, then demand those in charge to be held responsible. The evidence mounts daily that the tragedies of 9/11 could have been prevented.
st911.org
September 30th, 2006 at 9:48 pm911truth.org
911proof.com
I was only able to read the first few chapters of Woodward’s book today, but from what I read I would have named the book, “Iraq: Bush’s Goat Rodeo”
September 30th, 2006 at 9:49 pmThough the American people are in denial, Iran and North Korea are aware of all this. Not to be apologists for them, but doesn’t their behavior seem more logical as a response to this reality? BTW, another little known but easy to find fact. In the negotiations for North Korea to develop it’s Nuclear weapon, one of N. Korea’s terms was that America sign a non-aggression treaty (i.e. they were likely running toward nukes as a defensive position).
[i]Option (3) is cancelled out. They have nukes. US wont engage with a nuke holder. Ever.
Comment by Juan+C[/i]
My point exactly. N. Korea knew this and this is very likely why they did what they did (i.e. developed nukes). It was more convenient for this administration to paint the situation a bit differently…and with a popluace that is so ignorant and so gullible, it was darned easy too.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:53 pmLast thing: And when did all the “problems” with N. Korea’s nuclear program begin? The days immediately leading up to and after the invasion of Iraq.
Point is this: Once it was clearly evident that this administration was ACTING upon their 1, 2, 3 game plan and that the world did little to prevent #1, and the U.S. refused to sign the non-agression treaty, N. Korea basically threw up the middle finger to the U.S. and to the world and restarted their nuclear development program which resulted in them becoming a nuclear power.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:03 pmWow. We go so fast when there are no trolls around.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:06 pmOr Yenta to hijack the thread… :)
Yikes #77,
There are so many obvious questions to ask, but don’t expect them to be asked by the MsM.
Also, be careful discussing 9/11 here. I’ve seen entire threads get zapped because people dared to discuss just what the hell may have taken place on 9/11.
I want to know exactly what the Veep was doing that morning?
September 30th, 2006 at 10:12 pmI know this may sound simplistic. But given the articles written by Seymour Hersh, etc. and anecdotal evidence of naval personnel and ship movements, Bush/Rove may have been preparing for their much anticipated “October Surprise”; an air attack on Iraq’s underground nuclear sites. Hopefully, the fall out from the massive amount of shit that is now hitting the fan, will deter the W-armongers for a while.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:13 pmSteve…don’t you mean Iran? If yes, I agree with you.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:17 pmThe more I read about this administration and the Republican Party in general the more I recoil from their supporters. The whole group gives me the creeps. Who covers something like this? Who says me me me when 3000 people died? Who lies under oath? Who sends a nation to war knowing they are doing it falsely? Who keeps a bumbling idiot in charge of that war? Who doesn’t do any post war planning and has the audacity to claim there will be no casuaties? Who screws the elderly because ‘they can’? Who gives big oil the biggest profits in history? Who ignores one of the worst hurricanes in history as it comes to shore? Who thinks global warming is a marketing strategy? Who believes the crap they spew?
The me me me party.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:17 pmJuan,
I’ll get you for that. :)
September 30th, 2006 at 10:19 pmSteve…don’t you mean Iran? If yes, I agree with you.
Comment by beachnana — September 30, 2006 @ 10:17 pm
Yes, as my son would say “My Bad”. That mistake was either due to the red wine or typing while watching George Carlin on HBO.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:22 pmJeanne,
I really believe that it’s just easier for them to go along, than it is for them to think, or take an afternoon and research the subject. That’s all it would take — one afternoon.
I’ve heard this phrase so many times I want to puke: I’m just so busy.
Aren’t we all busy? That’s a poor excuse.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:24 pmmmmmm… paella… now there’s a happy thought…
that’s one dish i want to tackle someday soon… any tricks to know?
but what is ceviche?
sorry about OT… just had to ask…
September 30th, 2006 at 10:25 pmtime to walk the doggy, and some aggression…
later…
How low will a GOP college republican sink? Quite low, these guys learn to lie at an early age. Here’s a perfect example of how these ‘moral’ college republicans [such as Rove and Abramoff] are taught to lie and blame.
Did Zatkoff lie? Who knows, but the College republicans, obviously drunk, used this incident as political propaganda and to blame those that were in no way responsible.
The lesson here is that what we have operating in the white house operates in the same manner as these College Republicans. [Rove, Abramoff etc] This kind of behaviour only leads to corruption later on because lying isn’t seen a problem to these folks.
What are they teaching these College Republicans??
[hey TP if I use my Camino Browser I can post, but not with Firefox browser Mac OSX, might wanna look into that =)
September 30th, 2006 at 10:41 pmZooey,
September 30th, 2006 at 10:41 pmYeah the German people tried to use that one too. It doesn’t work. No one, especially the children and grandchildren, believe it. I prefer never having to say to my children and grandchildren that I ever bought into this deranged logic. I prefer to show strength of conviction and keep my values and my morals intact. I don’t make excuses for my country. I tell it like it is. This administration is criminal and most of the Republican congress belong in the same cell. I mean look at this latest thing with Foley and Hastert. Jeez…does the Republican Party have ANY moral decency? ANY MORAL DECENCY? Seriously, who can support these people?
At a press conference on December 20, 2006 George W. Bush was asked how he felt about this country becoming a dictatorship. His reply was “it would be ok if I am the dictator.”
September 30th, 2006 at 10:42 pmI’m with you, Jeanne.
Who supports these people? Only every member of my extended family — except me and my sons. It’s very frustrating. It’s hard for me to be around them very much, and they wonder why I keep my distance.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:48 pmRob at 12:
1 – How is it that WTC 7, a 47 story building that wasn’t hit by a plane on 9/11, collapsed from fire alone? This defies the basic principles of science. No steel frame structure has ever collapsed from fire alone.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
Rob wrote: “If this were a company and 3000 innocent people were killed as the result of gross negligence and incompetence, it is undeniable that heads would have been severed and displayed for the public.”
Bush actually ran for reelection using 911. Remember him turning up in New York and saying…
“Not on my watch.”
One would have thought 911 happened on someone else’s watch, or that 911 was a feather in his cap!
September 30th, 2006 at 10:56 pmAll the while, they are transferring wealth as fast as they can. Everybody who lock-steps with Bu$hco is profiting like never before-at the expense of the masses.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:57 pmKeep an eye on the voting machines this year. The Repugs can’t allow a Dem victory, or its big house time for the whole lousy bunch!
Lying bastards, and the mothers that bore them!!!!!!
September 30th, 2006 at 11:02 pmI cannot alow myself to believe that if every registered voter who is digusted with this Administration and Congress votes Democratic on Nov. 7and still the Republicans win, there won’t be marching in the streets! Or there SHOULD be!!
September 30th, 2006 at 11:03 pmWhat gets me about all this chatter that is now going on is that you voted for a program the espoused giving a trillion dollars in tax cuts to the richest people in the US and a tightening of the purse strings on the poorest segments of American society. I that didn’t tell you what an immoral bunch of bastards they were what could have?
September 30th, 2006 at 11:05 pmhello doug… so it’s you…
September 30th, 2006 at 11:08 pmWe know they are an immoral bunch and we need to replace them but keep in mind the 2000 election in Fl., 2002 in Ohio and recent primary in Ohio! If the Republicans continue to win, it has to be the machines !!! We then must march in the streets (but then again, we just lost our rights with passage of S. 6166, didn’t we!
September 30th, 2006 at 11:13 pm“Marching in the streets” will be like it has never been before. With guns for hire like “Blackstrapp” and “Halliburton” it will not be a quiet march. Also, the law in the USA as of this week is that you can find yourself in a prison, tortured, somewhere on earth, being tortured, with no rights to trial….let me cut to the chase….with no rights. “Good Morning, America!”
September 30th, 2006 at 11:13 pm#104
“or its big house time for the whole lousy bunch!”
Please God… I don’t ask for much.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:17 pmKaty, it’s who?
September 30th, 2006 at 11:17 pmI am late to the party tonight — WOW!
September 30th, 2006 at 11:18 pmThis is incredible. Great comments and questions from everyone here. I second them.
Are we sure Woodward’s book contains actual quotes? I don’t have a lot of respect left for Woodward (his books are aimed more at his own bnenefit according to the political winds, IMO).
What is meant by Black saying the commission wanted to know some things and not others?
Zelikow was under question from the first day; in fact I think I recall some discussion about his inclusion.
If Cofer Black knew this info was omitted from public testimony, how did he know it was omitted from private testimony?
Why didn’t C. Black offer this information to the commission?
Why did they all hold back?
Were they conspiring to obstruct justice?
There are many, many questions that remain unanswered, and witnesses who won’t offer anything unless they are asked specifically.
What will get the attention of of those who aren’t so concerned about our occupation in Iraq? How about a full scale draft…it’s not until it affects people and their families directly that they start asking how we got in this mess. To a degree, this is a war fought by the poorer and less educated americans who have few options beyond military service. And that’s just how this admin wants it.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:20 pmi’m not sure yet…
September 30th, 2006 at 11:21 pmWhen the peasants riot in the streets and storm the white house with their pitchforks and torches, they will all be subject to the new interpretation of the rule of law according to Bush. Incarceration with no end and no counsel.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:26 pmWe are in trouble folks, the only thing we can do is unite in great numbers and overwhelm them before they overwhelm us.
If they plan the October surprise to be bombing Iran, then they should initiate the draft but they won’t. Somehow Rove will create some other means….make it look like the Dems did it!
September 30th, 2006 at 11:27 pmDoug, don’t you watch the news? The Reps are moral – no gay marriage, no abortion…
September 30th, 2006 at 11:28 pmI’ll get you for that. :)
Comment by Yenta
I wish. :)
September 30th, 2006 at 11:29 pmIf it was safe to be honest, then people would be honest.
Marie,
They covered up because they didn’t want to be seen as responsible for such a spectacular negative event.
They said they would get to the bottom of it to make it appear that they cared.
Society is about appearances.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:35 pmRice’s disavowel of the importance of the Bin Laden Determined to Strike….memo is simple criminal negligence. Even a Republican controlled Congress should be holding necessary investigations into thiss conduct.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:37 pmThey said they would get to the bottom of it to make it appear that they cared.
Society is about appearances.
Comment by Martin+of+Earth
But really, did people actually want government to get to the bottom or just choose targets to place cluster bombs? I remember interviews of people right after 9/11. The general opinion was: Lets bomb the bastards. Nobody had a clue who they were. But, sorry to all of you, thats the way you solve problems.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:40 pmI wish. :)
Comment by Juan+C
Careful what you wish for, cutie. ;)
September 30th, 2006 at 11:42 pmTo a degree, this is a war fought by the poorer and less educated americans who have few options beyond military service. And that’s just how this admin wants it.
Comment by chuck
As the vast majority of wars. They are always fought by the poorest people seeking better living standards for them (revolutions) or driven by blind patriotisms (wars). Either way, innocent or poor people ends up dead. Please, someone tell me any president, general or CEO that has ended up dead in any war. (I know who you are thinking about, but he took a pill…)
September 30th, 2006 at 11:47 pmCareful what you wish for, cutie. ;)
Comment by Zooey
I know. Dont get mad. Heard you were 5 10″. :)
September 30th, 2006 at 11:50 pmHeard you were 5 10″. :)
Comment by Juan+C
Scared of an angry Amazon, Juan? :)
September 30th, 2006 at 11:52 pm#114
September 30th, 2006 at 11:55 pmChuck,
You should say to a BIG degree this war is fought by the poorer and less educated Americans. The administration also targets immigrants who want legal status. They used those Hispanics for fodder in Iraq by giving them a dream to be an American citizen and yet they want to build a wall to keep them out of this country. Hmmm.
It is late and I must admit that I am very impressed with the above comments. There is a definite concern that those clowns in washington are breaking the law. When their actions are questoned, they just lie. Today, a posting in huffington post indicated that the AG Gonzales has told the federal courts to keeps hands off the new detainee law. Is there nothing this bunch of cowards will not do the stay in CONTROL? November 7 has to produce Democratic majorities to start letting the country know what has been going on and make sure that justice will be served. Crimes against humanity must be prosecuted and justice served.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:56 pmRice: “What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years.”
October 1st, 2006 at 12:00 amGreat comments! Now what the hell is everybody going to do about it? As usual sit on their hands and do nothing and hope a crapshoot election is going to solve the problems?Gone are the days when people would get off their asses,take to the streets, and really protest.The Internet is great but more and more I think it just allows people to blow off steam. When that relieves the pressure they somehow think they have done something worthwhile and quickly drift back into complacency until the next contoversy.Looking back on the record of the Bush administration and the little that has been done by ordinary people in protest, I fear for the future.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:01 am[...] UPDATE: Think Progress has a related post, so we can probably expect this one to get some more attention. [...]
October 1st, 2006 at 12:02 amdsquare,
Thanks, we’ve been having a rare troll-free day.
Remember, remember, 30 September,
October 1st, 2006 at 12:02 amThe day ThinkProgress was troll free…
Martin +of+ Earth
October 1st, 2006 at 12:03 amYou f..n Godless fart!
#120 MofE
October 1st, 2006 at 12:04 amThat is a frightening thought. That one is afraid to be honest.
My disillusion and disgust with government today is pushed even further by the notion that there are so many involved who didn’t have the spine to stand up and admit what they did (and didn’t), and how it happened.
Bush never wanted the 9/11 commission in the first place – which was always puzzling at best. Then we get one and it was ineffective in many areas.
I have vacillated regarding the conspiracy of 9/11 being an inside job — it is just more than I can bring myself to believe, but more bits of information like this coming out, I have to consider everything.
Juan,
The people wanted to get to the bottom of the security failure, so there had to be a commission.
Those in power didn’t want to be seen as the cause of the security failure so they covered up – before, during, and after the commission.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:05 amScared of an angry Amazon, Juan? :)
Comment by Zooey
I would be scared of a happy amazon, Zoo. (Nahh, not really) But I would say yes to everything.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:08 amMarie,
Researchers found that hospitals (in Canada?) covered up doctors’ mistakes because of the fear of legal proceedings. Once it was made safe for hospitals and doctors to admit mistakes, the researchers found out what caused the mistakes and so they made recommendations to improve systems so that mistakes would be less likely to occur.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:11 amWhat hasn’t been explained very clearly to the public is why 3 of the world trade centre buildings collapsed on Sept. 11th. You should understand that it was physically impossible that the collapse could have been caused by the airplanes smashing into the buildings. The airplanes caused a great deal of damage on the upper floors, but temperatures from the fires caused by the collision could never have become hot enough to melt the steel framework of those buildings. If the airplanes didn’t bring those buildings down, then what did?
And coincident with “9/11″ was the never to be solved “anthax” scare.
It was certainly effective in hiking up the public’s sense of fear and terror.
American democracy was definitely hijacked in the 2000 election.
What to do? Those implicated in the coup include members of the US Supreme Court, the corporate media, the Republican Party, Corporate America. Those with the money and the power try to cover themselves with glory. Their ideas of glory are gory. We must resist.
Even if 80% of Americans turned against this government, I wouldn’t trust your voting machine to come up with an honest count in the coming elections. Check them carefully against the exit polls. See if there is a discrepancy, as there were in all US elections since 2000, and go with the exit poll as being more accurate.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:12 am#130
October 1st, 2006 at 12:13 amPat,
I disagree. The blogs have removed the shroud from the Republican Party. I think Americans have a very clear picture of who is running the country. They have a clear picture of who is passing the legislation that helps the wealthy, keeps us in an illegal war, allows for continued voter fraud.
I would say however…GET OUT AND VOTE WHY DON’T YOU!!!!!
And GIVE THOSE WHO CAN’T GET TO THE POLLS A RIDE.
And of course, DON’T LET SOMEONE SAY ‘WHAT GOOD DOES MY VOTE DO?’
Lawn signs make a difference. People pay attention. If you are making a statement your neighbors assume you care enough to be educated and they may vote your way. However if they hate you…your house might get teepeed.
But I would say yes to everything.
Comment by Juan+C
Everything.
Heh.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:15 amThe people wanted to get to the bottom of the security failure, so there had to be a commission.
Comment by Martin+of+Earth
Yeah, but how many years after 9/11? Where in the world has been seen that the crime scene is removed as fast as machines can? Where are the videos from the Sheraton Hotel in front of the Pentagon that the FBI took? Are people protesting or questioning that? No.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:17 amThey (the government) were threatening Iraq with an invasion before the 9/11 Commission, right?
I feel thankful that I didn’t lose anyone in the WTC disaster. A couple of years ago I looked at the evidence as an outsider and was put off, like Marie above, the first time I heard someone say “they did it or they let it happen”
October 1st, 2006 at 12:20 amBut once you look at the actual evidence, there is no denying the diliberate incompetence that took place that day within that administration-they knew.
Heh.
Comment by Zooey
Wouldnt you, too? :)
October 1st, 2006 at 12:20 amJuan,
Of course, what the people want depends on the info they readily have available.
If the info we have readily available is not of good quality, then what we want will not be of good quality.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:20 amWouldnt you, too? :)
Comment by Juan+C
Of course!
October 1st, 2006 at 12:26 amYou are not giving Bush and Co. the credit that they deserve. They set out to rob the U.S. and they have succeeded admirably. They have privatized war and driven the cost of war so high that we just about can not afford to fight any third rate nation. Everything is about “who gets the money.” That is why the funds for homeland defense were just spread around for political purposes instead of reflecting any sensible set of priorities to secure this nation.
That is why no effort was put forth to stop the looting in Iraq. To the Bush Team it was just an opportunity for more reconstruction contracts for their buddies and to be billed to the U.S. tax payers.
You need to understand that there are certain people who are supposed to get the money and it isn’t ordinary folk.
Wake the hell UP!
October 1st, 2006 at 12:26 amOf course, what the people want depends on the info they readily have available.
Comment by Martin+of+Earth
mmmmm…
October 1st, 2006 at 12:43 amthey knew.
Comment by PrissyPatriot
Let me push a little bit more my own wacky agenda. They did it.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:46 amThe American people are really stupid. It should have been as clear as the nose on your face, that both the Republicans and the Democrats are being blackmailed by the strongest lobby in the country. How else can the lies have been so disregarded, or the so called “Commision” be blindsided. Wake up America, we were drawn into a war by our “Friends”,”Allies”, call it what you may, but there is a power behind the “throne” that is calling the shots. The lobby has a book on all of our “Representatives”, who are so afraid of losing their jobs that they will sell the country for the measly few thousand dollars that they are paid, to protect their integrity? They have no principles, no integrity, no shame, no guts, and are empty shells when it comes to the truth. Forget it my friends, it’s over. Remember what our President said when he was interviewed by Woodward, after the publication of his first book, and I quote:” It doesn’t matter, we will all be dead.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:17 amA true patriot, and a loyal American.
911 day the President holled up in the central US. Although I hope it is not so, one could make a case he was safely observing a horrible tragic show he knew would be unfolding that day.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:18 amhmmm… first ‘doug’… now ‘ned’…
a ‘divide and conquer’ theme …
it’s late… busy day away tomorrow… let’s see how this turns out…
g’nite…
keep up the great commentary!
October 1st, 2006 at 1:26 amHas anyone considered the possibility that they were intending to let the anthrax attacks (that they new about) happen, but were surprised (stupified, in Bush’s case – remember the pet goat)?
October 1st, 2006 at 1:29 amMaybe there are no trolls because most of them are Republican pages.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:35 amon 911 day after leaving Florida the President holed up safely somewhere in the central US. I hope it is not so, but I’m beginning to think I could believe he was safely observing the unfolding of a horrible show he and some key others knew about to varying degrees well in advance of the tragedy’s unfolding.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:41 am[...] Link [...]
October 1st, 2006 at 1:58 amDoes anyone remember when Bush was finally pressured into appointing a commission to investigate 911, we were told that there would be no finger pointing, they were not going to place blame. This would account for the blatant omissions. I am beyond disgusted, and I am afraid bad things are in store for us.
October 1st, 2006 at 2:00 amMaybe if there is enough outpouring, they will reconvene the commission, hopefully with members that are not afraid to go where the evidence takes them.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/3307
It was not allowed to happen, it was made happen. Anyway. Both is high treason…
October 1st, 2006 at 2:21 amThe main focus of this Administration from the very beginning was acquiring power, providing government jobs for their friends (equally incompetent as they), building an oil pipe line through Afganistan, getting rid of Hussein to get control of the third largest oil reserve in the world and to make themselves and their partners in crime richer than when they took office.
October 1st, 2006 at 2:40 amIf anyone believes this bunch really cares about governing and protecting this country than you haven’t been paying attention.
9/11 was allowed to happen, the misery and horror caused by Katrina was allowed to happen, the deaths of thousands of men and women serving in Iraq and Afganistan was and continues to be allowed, torture and unlawful detainment is allowed.
So much harm has been done to this country in the name of the victims of 9/11. We went to war in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with the attack on 9/11, our civil liberties are being chipped away, American citizens are being spied on, anyone can be declared an “enemy combatant” get arrested, tortured and held indefinitely all in the name of national security. Yet cargo coming into our ports are not checked, nuclear power plants and chemical plants are not secured, we can only carry on a plane 3 oz. of gels or liquids, but the cargo being checked in is not fully inspected.
If anyone dares to complain about the mess these incompetent fools have gotten us into they are called unpatriotic, terrorist appeasers, on the side of the terrorists. What nonsense!!!!
We’re told the terrorists hate us for our freedom. So what’s the plan; take our freedoms away?
They don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us because those in our governmet are hateful. They treat people outside their cabal with such disdain and indifference. The disdain they have for the American people is evident in how easily and frequently they lie to us.
It’s time for a change. I hope it’s not too late to reverse some of the harm already done to this country.
We already know the method: do nothing. So what about motive and opportunity. With Katrina, the victims are:
1. poor
2. black
3. Democrats
Show me a motive for Bush to do anything to help these people. There is none. There is none – in fact, how many Democrats have put time and money into helping the people of NOLA, and how much of that time and money has been taken away from the Democratic party coffers because people could not afford to contribute to both things … and all GW had to do is reap the benefits of doing nothing.
Now look at 9/11. Almost every single person in his administration:
1. Has ties to big oil
2. Has ties to big defence contractors
How much money can one make by doing nothing. A lot apparently. The most insideous deeds can be accomplished through “policy”, and the most bulletproof “I didn’t do anything wrong” way to conspire is to do nothing.
Call it criminal, call it incompetence – CEO’s get fired for both, and that’s the bottom line.
October 1st, 2006 at 3:01 amTo those who have been discussing the fact that they have relatives who do not “get it” and keep supporting these dumb and incompetent fools running our country: read John Dean’s Conservatives without a Conscience. Until I read this book, I went crazy trying to figure out how people can keep supporting this administration and its criminal elements. This book is incredible in that it uses socio-psycho-logical studies to examine the mindset of not only the Republican leaders, but also their lemmings. Read this book. It will help you understand the GOP and its supporters. While Mr. Dean says it’s not a pathology, it certainly seems that the GOP and its meanspirited supporters suffer from a terrible mental disease.
October 1st, 2006 at 3:40 amYou can be sure the Bush administration is secretly hoping for another terror attack here in the U.S. the way a child awaits Xmas.
October 1st, 2006 at 3:49 amIf one should happen(any I pray it never does), it would allow the Right Wing to swing into decietful actions. This would translate into their increasing the President’s dictatorial policies without challenge or effective forms of government oversight that normally monitor the executive branch.
Good god we have to hit the streets and protest.
That’s all we can do.
Our representation doesn’t exist!
As Reyes is saying, these people are authoritarian fools. They fit their “facts” to their belief system.
All we have left is to protest.
October 1st, 2006 at 4:00 amIf the idiots somehow pull off a victory (because o election fraud) we have to go to Washington and stage the most massive protest ever.
This is it. We have to do something.
Now that you all understand that Bushco *knew* that an attack was coming and intentionally allowed it to happen, you need to absorb another new bit: “al Qaeda” is a contrivance, designed to tar Muslims with the attack and used as a trigger for a war against the enemies of Israel/the people who have the misfortune of having large oil deposits under their feet. How long will it take you to digest this, I wonder? Will Bob Woodward need to write a book exposing it before you believe it? Meanwhile, pay attention to the way that “newspeople” speak about Muslims…..not just the words they use but also the spit and venom in their voices as they say them…
October 1st, 2006 at 5:38 amElection Fraud; Dereliction of Duty; Profiteering; Perjury (on a slightly higher scale that that for which Clinton was impeached); ongoing deceptions; War crimes; Election Fraud, again; malfeason in office; misfeasonance; Graft and Corruption; et cetera.
Which of the many are high crimes and misdemeanors? Which constitute Treason? At what point does the media finally try to do its job? “Home of the Brave” is becoming an American oxymoron (our soldiers, excepted). Certainly our elected officials and representatives of the press and clergy do not qualify.
And, we ask “why do they hate us?” What is there to like or to respect? Moereover, what is thee for our young peopler to find worth defending – Enron, “land of the free” way of life?
October 1st, 2006 at 5:41 amHow much you wanna bet that Thomas Kean, the Republican co-chair of the 9/11 Commission, knew about this July 10th, 2001 meeting, and just forgot to tell his Democratic Party counterparts on the 9/11 Commission?
This is a recurring pattern.
October 1st, 2006 at 5:42 amHaving read all of your comments, I note that the following ideas are missing. It may have been that some Arabs wanted to bring down the twin towers, but the current administration after spying on them, or even indirectly funding them, noted that they just didn’t have the skills to accurately fly large planes into big buildings. So that’s why Cheney took command of NORAD in May of 2001 and began assisting them from behind the scenes. He made sure that our military planes would not be available on 9/11 by scheduling a mock exercise involving attacking the twin towers and the Pentagon, so that everyone would get really confused. Then he probably ordered drones to do the actual attacks. The civilian planes that went missing each had around fifty passengers, as maybe the Cheney gang had some guilt for killing so many people, and they also picked a time when the towers were the least occupied before normal working hours, and they also targeted the part of the Pentagon which was still under reconstruction and therefore had the least number of workers.
There are so many signs that it was an inside job using the Muslims as patsies. It is very hard for Americans to realize any of this because of the Big Lies involved, and because of the convincing magic show that occurred on 9/11. Even the idea that this website may not permit my post from appearing is a sign that both political parties are part of this conspiracy, and I don’t have much hope for the future of our
October 1st, 2006 at 5:59 amrepublic. We need something major to happen and for the first time in my life I am glad that Americans own so many guns.
I guess it’s time to open an investigation into 911.
October 1st, 2006 at 6:11 amFor anyone who cannot fathom why people do not QUESTION this administration, just read John Dean’s book, “Conservatives Without Conscience,” and you’ll comprehend their mindset completely. When you’re finished reading it, pass it along to those you see clearly defined in Dean’s pages. They need to see themselves reflected in the book.
And, remember: BUSH tried for over a year to avoid having the 9/11 Commission at all. It was ONLY because the victims’ families–specifically, the “Jersey Girls”–pressed and pressed and never gave up pressing for the inquiry, that there was a 9/11 Commission at all.
At the time, most people didn’t seem to make the connection about Bush’s refusal to hold the 9/11 Commission, to the possibility that Bush could be implicated either through incompetence, or by passive complicity. But, with the revelation of this meeting, the picture comes further into focus: The Bush administration has committed crimes against the people of the United States of America. Lying to Congress is an impeachable crime; lying to the American people to take them into an illegal war is an impeachable offense. Torture, rendition, and violating the US Constitution and FISA are impeachable offenses. Bush MUST be impeached. He should be arrested for war crimes and tried by the International Criminal Court in the Hague for what he’s done.
On Saturday, in his radio address, Bush called for an “offensive across the entire world” proving that he is a megalomaniac. All US military, officer and enlisted, swear an oath “to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Bush is that domestic enemy.
October 1st, 2006 at 7:49 amI hate what this country has become. George Bush has ruined us. They’ve made me ashamed to be an American.
October 1st, 2006 at 8:24 amGo to whitehouse.gov for the transcript of Condi’s 2004 Sixty Minutes interview. Good thing she wasn’t under oath on that (Recall that she at first refused to be under oath or in public before the 9/11 Commission). Much of what she said does not match the accounts of Tenet and Black as reported by Woodward. They said “domestic” and she said “abroad.”
“Q But do you think that you or the administration made any mistakes, any misjudgments between the inauguration and 9/11?
DR. RICE: I think we did what we knew how to do. We read the threat reporting. The President was briefed by his Director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet, 46 times with items related in one way or another to al Qaeda. His response to that was to say, “I can’t swat at flies anymore; I’ve got to have a comprehensive strategy to take this organization down.”
We were discussing the threat spike that took place between June and July, to try and figure out how to respond. Now, to be fair, the threat reporting was all about attacks that might take place abroad – in the Persian Gulf, or perhaps something against Israel, or perhaps something against the G8 leader’s summit that was going to take place in Genoa that summer. And we were responding to that. I called in, along with Andy Card, Dick Clarke on July 5th and I said, you know, even though none of the threat reporting really is relating to the United States, perhaps you better get the domestic agencies together and see what we need to do to button down the country. And, in fact, the FAA issued warnings as a result of that; the FBI issued warnings; INS and Customs were informed about these threats. But everything pointed to an attack abroad.”
October 1st, 2006 at 8:35 amPerry Logan,
The sites you link to above are thoroughly unconvincing. If there’s nothing to cover up, if the powers that be want to get at the truth about that tragic day, then the questions that have been raised by the truth movement and the families will be addressed.
Are you opposed to a less partisan and more thorough investigation that isn’t afraid to delve into every aspect of what happened? I’d like to know.
October 1st, 2006 at 8:49 am“Few people know their own good or knowing it pursue.”
So true, especially when the “good” is a “spun” lie by those running the country. We have miserably failed as a society to demand of our elected officials “honesty”. Senator Allen’s verbal gymnastics, and now “Foleygate” are the latest case studys of lieing at its sterling best.
October 1st, 2006 at 9:05 amThe 27 or 28 deleted pages of the 9/11 commission were related to the Saudis. Osama bin Laden had apparently cut a deal with Saudi royalty in the 90’s – he’d stop attacking the kingdom if they funded his Taleban mujahedeen (Forbidden Truth). OBL’s brother sat on the Carlyle Group defense board with George Bush Sr. as advisor and James Baker III as lawyer. This is why Bush told the FBI to ‘back off’ investigations of the Saudis – too many unsavory financial ties between his family and the Saudis.
Rice came in with Rumsfeld, “The Star Warrior” and was at Stanford with George Schultz, director of Bechtel Engineering (and also associated with Gilead, Rumsfeld’s ‘avian flu drug’ company). Ballistic missle defenses mean big bucks for defense contractors like Northrup-Grumann and Lockheed. Rice was on the board of Chevron and for a while had an oil tanker named after her. All of her sponsors benefitted financially from 9/11 (oil prices and war spending exploded).
There was no ‘failure to connect the dots’. The FBI and CIA low-level people became aware of multiple warnings from flight schools and international intelligence agencies and passed the info up the chain of command. This administration’s ‘nerve center’ is incompetent or corrupt (both, most likely) – they got the warnings and did nothing! No attempt to warn the airlines, no specifics or names were given out (even though they had this Able Danger program on Mohammed Atta).
White House officials started taking Cipro, an anthrax antibiotic, in August. I think it’s high time for an Anthrax Commission that will perhaps be a little more thorough than the 9/11 Commission was.
Immediately after the hijackings-turned-suicided bombings fo 9/11, the coverup begins. The Saudis hire their own public relations team, and the Bush Admin introduces the pre-written PATRIOT act, which is at first resisted by Congress, than is passed in the wake of the Senate anthrax attacks – the anthrax strain used is one found in the US bioweapons system (Fort Detrick) and has been weaponized using high-tech methods only known in the US and Russia.
Afghanistan is invaded, but Bush displays a curious indifference to finding OBL. If he had, would he have been able to invaded Iraq? Afghanistan is neglected as all Bush cronies gear up for an invasion and occupation of Iraq; the oil companies are already holding discusssions over who gets which oilfields. Halliburton/KBR and Bechtel are waiting on their ‘reconstruction contracts’, along with a host of other subsidiaries and Republican-connected firms.
Why the secret tribunals for senior Al Queda figures? Any trial of Khalid S. Muhammed or others would be extremely embarassing to Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice and Ashcroft, as all the Saudi ties and Bushie incompetence would be revealed. The conclusion is that they knew about the impending hijackings, didn’t realize that suicide bombings were planned, but in the end they didn’t really care. They wanted an excuse to go to war, and that’s what they got.
Another thing – those planes could easily have been flown into nuclear reactors on the East Coast, and that would have made entire states uninhabitable for decades. Under the Constitution, this would probably all be called ‘treason’.
October 1st, 2006 at 9:44 amThis current Republican leadership, in both Congress and the WH, seem to protect their own at the great expense of the rest of us common, hoi polli, Americans. Now Hastert and his ilk have been protecting a pedophile! Show no mercy to the American-hating Republican party this November. The members of the Republican party have had since 1994 to “clean up Washington” and not only have they failed miserably, they have also become the problem of Washington.
Voters of America, come this November, vote, and vote against the party that has damaged our beloved nation so wickedly.
Vote the Rascals Out in ‘06 and ‘07! -Kevo
October 1st, 2006 at 9:55 amThe neocon agenda.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=centralAsia
No one can claim they didn’t have a good day on 9/11. It was exactly what the doctor ordered.
October 1st, 2006 at 10:37 amRe #13, unbelievable:
Your post is so timely! Two of my grandsons who are like sponges in their eagerness to learn – through their own initiative as well in school, and who make top grades – are in high school now.
This past week they were doing homework while I was at their home. As they pored over the work, they complained that all they did was read and then have a test on what they had read. No discussions of material in the classroom! They said that is what made school so boring now.
I proceeded to read from the required textbooks and was amazed to find misrepresentation of several facts. The kids said they were not allowed to question the material or discuss it.
In my own experience after retirement, I served several years as a substitute teacher at all levels of the school system. Subbing in a sophomore biology class, I learned that the instructor had never discussed with the class any of the subject matter contained in two chapters on which they were being tested.
When I made inquiries, I was told that because of the requirements to cover so much material within a given time, it was not possible to spend more time on it.
So, indeed, lemmings are being produced!
I know many otherwise intelligent people who refuse to consider any negative information that is presented about Bush and his regime. This is what puzzles me. Why are they so blind?
October 1st, 2006 at 10:45 amCondi should get her metal of freedom for her efforts to cover up just as g. tenet did.
October 1st, 2006 at 10:52 am“My father stills says to this day that he believes Bush did his best before and after 9/11 & Katrina. ”
Comment by Zooey — September 30, 2006 @ 7:07 pm
The Bush adminstration thrives on people being in denial.
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October 1st, 2006 at 11:00 amRemember the 9/11 commision was refused By Bush agressivly , Only untill after the 3rd attempt did he agree too one apone very cencored terms and cencorship of material used, , Bush refuzed this untill even more deals were agreed, Including a formed committy sworn too NOT FINGER PIONT?/ask for classified material unless pescreened/ and there were no high ranking member asked too give sworn testemonys.
October 1st, 2006 at 11:06 amexept the one Condi Rice was given autherization too give
detailes of Condi Rices questions were Part of the Deal Made before Bush allowed her too give statements, He used reasons of national security as a excuse for This?, and the committy was a By Law acountible for crossing this Line.
Condi Rices act of testifying under oath was a mere PR move, After Bush and Rove stratigically for public purposes RIGGED the Committy to appear as a REAL 9/11 INVESTIGATION,
And most importaintlly, The Media was Paid too act as it was some kind of Tell all committy, thuse ending any speculation that { In Fact!!! Bush was aware of the attack and alone with Cheney even Allowed it }
There is even More evidence that Marvin Bush a relitive of Bush, Owner of A security firm contracted to secure the Trade center , Shut down the building for a UNSCHEDUALLED Matainance for weeks prior too 9/11. plenty of Time to plant bombs in the Trade center, Fact ?? its was BUSH and cheney rumfeild and Ohters who with the Help of AL>CIA>DaH, together Pulled off Operation North woods, Ok
This Fact im sure Many demotted officials, wish were More informed as too why simple questions they asked got them Eighty sixted , normal House staffers were removed And many Indipendent journalist have been Killed since then??, more than the hole of veitnam, due too freindly fire. Anthrax letters were used to scare off the Rest. soo ask me this>>>>
now that the fourth admendment no longer exists and the 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10th, were are we now ? and what do you do? frankly i could give a shit less about CONDI rices cover up, this is a distraction from what is real and What is nessessary?, you ask Ok , and after you get only carted away to never have a trial for your alledged crimes as they will tell your family members? what then. Congress is bought out? Or scared shitless of these guys that is why there called the do nothing Congress.
and don’t even say well elect a new congress in 2006 and Impeach bush, Ever hear of Debold voting systems ?? 2000 was just a ruze compaired too 2004 2002 and the upcoming election, and 2000 was stoled for fact is been proven and Geee litttle too late but guess wht its been ststed soo by Fox news that 2000 wsas indeed stoled, But they say it was just corrupt poll leader who frauded Bush in favor bought and payed loyal Electorioal college vote from the courts. H,mmmm. sounds like Crap ?? well it is .
[...] If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation — questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administration’s actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting. As Commissioner Jamie Gorelick pointed out, “We didn’t know about the meeting itself. I can assure you it would have been in our report if we had known to ask about it.†[...]
October 1st, 2006 at 11:13 amPing back too, austoon Dailly
October 1st, 2006 at 11:19 amCogress has no way too find out ,executive orders were taken by bush allowing him to restrick over site from congress,
http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/gwb100501.html Bush Moves to Limit Disclosures to Congress, Presidential memorandum dated October 5, 2001
Note the Date also it was one month after 9/11.
#160 Reyes
The book is a quick read, easy to grasp the psychology of the Republican mindset. The conservatives who continue to stand by Bush despite his grossly inept and corrupt administration.
I, too, recommend it as an aid to understanding how so many think. It doesn’t make it easier to accept.
There is also a book “Moral Politics” by Laskoff. A little more dense, but explores the differences in the way liberals and conservatives think.
Unlike Bush and the Republicans, those who read books with an eye toward greater understanding fit the description of progressive-liberal; characteristics and traits that are to be emulated not squelched.
October 1st, 2006 at 11:21 amThere will be no meeting of the minds, no cooperation, no unity toward attaining a common goal unless people understand one another and work toward a positive future.
Remember the 9/11 commision was refused By Bush agressivly , Only untill after the 3rd attempt did he agree too one apone very cencored terms and cencorship of material used, , Bush refuzed this untill even more deals were agreed, Including a formed committy sworn too NOT FINGER PIONT?/ask for classified material unless pescreened/ and there were no high ranking member asked too give sworn testemonys.
exept the one Condi Rice was given autherization too give
detailes of Condi Rices questions were Part of the Deal Made before Bush allowed her too give statements, He used reasons of national security as a excuse for This?, and the committy was a By Law acountible for crossing this Line.
Condi Rices act of testifying under oath was a mere PR move, After Bush and Rove stratigically for public purposes RIGGED the Committy to appear as a REAL 9/11 INVESTIGATION,
And most importaintlly, The Media was Paid too act as it was some kind of Tell all committy, thuse ending any speculation that { In Fact!!! Bush was aware of the attack and alone with Cheney even Allowed it }
There is even More evidence that Marvin Bush a relitive of Bush, Owner of A security firm contracted to secure the Trade center , Shut down the building for a UNSCHEDUALLED Matainance for weeks prior too 9/11. plenty of Time to plant bombs in the Trade center, Fact ?? its was BUSH and cheney rumfeild and Ohters who with the Help of AL>CIA>DaH, together Pulled off Operation North woods, Ok
This Fact im sure Many demotted officials, wish were More informed as too why simple questions they asked got them Eighty sixted , normal House staffers were removed And many Indipendent journalist have been Killed since then??, more than the hole of veitnam, due too freindly fire. Anthrax letters were used to scare off the Rest. soo ask me this>>>>
now that the fourth admendment no longer exists and the 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10th, were are we now ? and what do you do? frankly i could give a shit less about CONDI rices cover up, this is a distraction from what is real and What is nessessary?, you ask Ok , and after you get only carted away to never have a trial for your alledged crimes as they will tell your family members? what then. Congress is bought out? Or scared shitless of these guys that is why there called the do nothing Congress.
and don’t even say well elect a new congress in 2006 and Impeach bush, Ever hear of Debold voting systems ?? 2000 was just a ruze compaired too 2004 2002 and the upcoming election, and 2000 was stoled for fact is been proven and Geee litttle too late but guess wht its been ststed soo by Fox news that 2000 wsas indeed stoled, But they say it was just corrupt poll leader who frauded Bush in favor bought and payed loyal Electorioal college vote from the courts. H,mmmm. sounds like Crap ?? well it is .
Comment by cowpieslinger — October 1, 2006 @ 11:06 am
October 1st, 2006 at 11:34 am9/11 is just sooo 5 years old. Tenet and Rice had a previously undisclosed meeting? Yawn.
The insults and outrages have come so hard and fast since then that Novacaine could not do a better job of numbing us. Habeus Corpus suspended? Bor-ing. What I want is a really good, sweet and crunchy, yet tart and smooth, October Surprise!
October 1st, 2006 at 11:38 amTry this recipe.
Delete one VP Cheney due to “health issues.”
Add one Senator Sam Brownback as VP appointee by the iPOTUS.
Stir in the Religious Right.
Suspend the 2008 elections due to “recent terrorist activities.”
Round up the dissenters.
Forbid the Rich, as well as the Poor, from sleeping under the bridges.
“I’m not sure what principles of science you are referring too. When steel gets hot enough to lose its temper it turns to spaghetti and can’t even support it’s own weight. Go take a look at the wreckage of the next warehouse fire you hear about.”
Comment by Bigjim — September 30, 2006 @ 10:54 pm
If this were the case, then why don’t our stoves collapse? For steel to burn, it must be burning at an incredibly high temperature. Office furniture and jey fuel alone cannot bring steel to this point. Do the research for yourself and you will see that WTC 7 collapsed in a perfectly symetrical descent at free-fall speed. For this to have happened, even if we use your scientifically sketchy idea that steel bends with fire, then the inferno must have been evenly distributewd throughout the floors of this 47 story building.
And remember…it wasn’t mentioned by FEMA or the 9/11 Commission. IF I was an insurance company or the dean of an architectual engineering school or the head of a fire department, I would be curious as to how a steel stucture building collapsed from fire alone. Unprecedented! Do the research.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:02 pmPeople this administraion didn’t fail to stop the plot.
They plotted the plot.
Fire Chiefs have testified those buildings blew up from well placed explosives.
Why the hell do you think Bush sat there for 7 minutes? The plan had begun and there was no way out for him at that point.
It is time to fight fire with water and for the American people to wash their representatives with a flood of letters to reopen this investigation as of the next congress.
If they do not respond, a massive class action lawsuit fom every voting American should do the trick.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:13 pmLarry Silverstain (owner of WTC) mentioned on PBS they decided to PULL # 7 building down because of so much los of lives…..
What he did not say, they decided that several months before 9/11.
It takes weeks to prepare building for demolition. Certainly more than few
hours. If # 7 was wired before 9/11 so was #1 & #2 buildings. Arabs,Osama and everything else is just noise, False Flag OP ….
You don’t really expect these crimminals to tell you the truth?
October 1st, 2006 at 12:25 pmSo, Are these guys getting impeached or not? Where’s Kenneth Starr or whoever?
October 1st, 2006 at 12:28 pmKinda reminds me of Star Wars(1977)
Stormtrooper: Let me see your identification.
Obi-Wan: [influencing the stormtrooper's mind] You don’t need to see his identification.
Stormtrooper: We don’t need to see his identification.
Obi-Wan: These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.
Stormtrooper: These aren’t the droids we’re looking for.
Obi-Wan: He can go about his business.
Stormtrooper: You can go about your business.
Obi-Wan: Move along.
Stormtrooper: Move along… move along.
∞∞∞∞
October 1st, 2006 at 12:34 pmcan’t imagine why the neocon puppet protested the formation of the 9/11 commission.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmIf you’re focused on George Tenet, Cofer Black, or Condi Rice, then you’re missing the point. Criminals of all variety have been a consistent element in human societies. Getting rid of these three will, in our current state of affairs, only leave their seats open to being replaced by more of their kind.
Closer to the real problem is that our systems of law and legislature have become so corrupt that we can no longer take care of the criminal elements in the higher strata of our society – the ruling class, and their thugs.
It may in fact be too late to grow up and hold ourselves accountable for the fact that the real problem is us, the American public.
We have allowed these things to happen to our country.
And we are getting exactly what we deserve.
George W. Bush, while being a joke, is certainly not an accident.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:06 pmBrilliant woman who was mentored by Madeline Albright’s father. Like so many others in this administrationn, integrity took a backseat to ambition and the world suffered as a result. May she always be remembered as “Ms. Mushroom Cloud.”
October 1st, 2006 at 1:14 pmThe Albright’s have my sympathy. She does not.
Sorry bigjim,
Office products and jet fuel do not burn at a high enough temp to bring down steel. A quick look at the history of tall steel buildings will show you that many burned for hours/days and did not come down. Building 7 was hit by nothing and fell within a few hours neatly in its own footprint. You have to disregard a lot of history and physics to swallow the offical story whole.
Does anyone else find post #26 so unbelieveabley ironic?
October 1st, 2006 at 1:21 pmHe likes to teach critical thinking and fact based arguments and then says ,”For the record, the 9/11 conspiracy theory posts are not welcomed here and are deleted by the administrators.”
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I live in Missouri and called Pennsylvannia today. I loved it.
First I spent time googling the canidates and found a wealth of information. It is really interesting.
D. Patrick Murphy has a great website. R. Fitzpatrick site very Bush.
With more googling I found blogs and College Political Sites with juicy details not found in canidates sites. Example: PA Dist 8,( “Republican Dirty Tricksâ€â€¦) has a 2nd D. running but is really a Republican.
Andy Warren a life long member of the Republican machine, switched parties merely to have the chance to run for pulbic office. Andy Warren also enlisted the help of a former Republican and convicted felon to try to get Patrick kicked off the ballot:
Wow, I got excited, outraged, and read more about this creep. The people I called planned to vote Dem. so it was good I learned this other Dem running is a fraud, and warned them if voiting Dem. be sure to vote P. Murphy and do not trust Warren.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:22 pmTo Skeptic re: #26
I believe he was was giving me fair warning with that comment and not speaking for himself. A couple of my posts have already been deleted. And here I am just bringing up questions and offering some links to explore these essential inquiries into the 9/11 myths.
Perhaps the powers that be, even on this website, feel to offer ideas or consider alternate possibilites is akin to yelling fire ina crowded theater.
BTW – thanks for the back up regarding WTC 7.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:28 pmSorry , the video may have been moved.
It may be gone for good, I can’t find it anywhere.
It was a parody from the movie Vendetta, maybe had some copyright issues?
Too Bad..
Still an interesting site with other political videos found by clicking ‘ANIMATION’….
http://www.bushflash.com/yt14.html
The title is 9/11 Vendetta and worth a search.
October 1st, 2006 at 1:41 pmReading the post again I can see what you mean about #26’s intentions, Rob. Sorry if I misunderstood you #26!
October 1st, 2006 at 2:20 pm[...] Somehow, the 9-11 commission failed to include this meeting in their report. Whether this was a deliberate coverup or just incompetence is unclear, though i imagine republican Tom Kean’s commision deliberately overlooked this clear warning from the head of the CIA to the National security advisor just weeks before the attack. This is the clearest evidence that the bush administration failed to take action in the face of dire warnings. Bush said he was tired of swatting flies, then spent all of August 2001 on vacation while the flies he didn’t want to swat launched their succesful plot to kill 3,000 Americans. This information clearly shows that the Bush administration failed to act to prevent 9-11, and it makes the recent Republican efforts to shift the blame for 9-11 to the previous administration all the more sinister. They really are the worst we’ve ever had. Maybe Condi thought this warning was just historical data, as she did the unheeded August 2001 PDB “Bin Laden determined to strike inside the United States”, but the CIA director and his counterterror chief couldn’t have been more emphatic about the need for action. Afterward, Tenet looked back on the meeting with Rice as a tremendous lost opportunity to prevent or disrupt the Sept. 11 attacks. Rice could have gotten through to Bush on the threat, but she just didn’t get it in time, Tenet thought. He felt that he had done his job and had been very direct about the threat, but that Rice had not moved quickly. He felt she was not organized and did not push people, as he tried to do at the CIA. [...]
October 1st, 2006 at 2:26 pmBottom line from all of these threads:
9/11 could have been prevented. 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. He had the warning signs to stop it. Now, more than ever, the adminsitration has proven itself to be either incompetent that day, or they stood down intentionally.
Either way, ask yourself, who has gained? Cui Bono?
The terrorists? Or big oil? Defense contractors?
October 1st, 2006 at 2:47 pmDoes anyone in America expect Bush and his team to ever tell the truth? Lies are no surprises from the Bush adminstration.
October 1st, 2006 at 2:55 pmnoted that they just didn’t have the skills to accurately fly large planes into big buildings –Seraph
Actually we have covered this, previous post, I have worked as an Jet Mechanic in these large jets. The autopilot can be programmed via a diskette [much like a zip drive] and the aircraft can follow this pre-programmed flight plan by using GPS . A large jet such as this can also be flown with the autopilot on and with both feet and hands off the control column by using the autopilot control head to steer the plane.
(I dont know what these jets (type/model of auto-pilot) were equipped with, but you can be sure they had one)
Such is todays technology. As we know the hijackers also had a 737 pilot/flight simulator working with them, and this IS speculation, is that all they really needed to do was learn the auotpilot system and deactivate the transponders and insert the flight plan from the diskette or simply use the control head.
Modern training simulators are very much like the real thing.
This is not a theory. nor should it be used to create more theories, it is how the AP system works and it COULD have been used by hijackers. Remember these were students and not some cave dwelling extremists.
Sure, he couldn’t fly very well, not enough for an advanced IFR commercial rating, but he knew the auto-pilot system from simulator training. Again this is speculation, as to who did it what and when. It was however not technically impossible.
And if anyone has ever noticed when the seat belt signs go off, and you can get up and walk around the cabin, you can be sure that 99% of the time the autopilot is flying the craft along it’s course. The pilots have their hands and feet OFF the controls.
The wtc was designed to take a hit from a 707 (4 engine jet) that is not that much different than a 767 in size and weight.
This is speculation, mine, from my work experience, and is in no way a conspiracy theory
October 1st, 2006 at 3:08 pmVery old news.
http://coldsteeledge.com/terror_bush.htm
October 1st, 2006 at 3:11 pmNow we probably more fully understand why President Clinton was so animated when the Chris Wallace line of questioning tried to pin the blame on the 9-11 attack upon his administration when they Clinton & Wallace) both knew full well that the Bush crowed was totally un-interested in anything to do with bin Lauden! Lost in all of this after the repeated warnings is the title of Condie’s speech scheduled for 9-12, ” The necessity of the “Missile Defense Shield” (sic). This is a speech that was never delivered and I bet has been classified as “TOP SECRET” by this decrepet administration. Any wonder that Richard Clarke was so animated when he took umbradge with this campaign posture of Bush/Rove/Chaney as the last true defenders of American soil!? I fear that we need a new political party as it is very hard for me to believe that the Democrats are so inept that they can not defeat this bunch! Here in Arizona we see KYL as the self appointed water boy for the Bush administration , a 97% voting record, 97%! yet he leads the democrat,Pederson, by 13% in the polls and has even been able to deflect that after his 18 years in the congress doing zero on the immeigration issue that this is somehow the challangers (Pederson’s )fault that border security is so bad! Pederson, by the way, has never been in public office, now that is a strech of some note!
When Conrad Burns of Montana was caught with his hand in the Abrimoff cookie jar to the tune of $150,000.00 that he “doesen’t want to look backward, he only wants to look ahead” and he may pull it off and be re-elected!
I worked on the staff of then majority leader Mike Mansfield in the 60’s-70′0s and can’t imagine a senator with such a criminal background even having the timerity to seek re-election but in fact resigning in shame and dissappearing from the political scene.
God I miss the times when we felt that a coverup of a campaign trick was an inmpeachable offemse, and now we let a president hide behind a “TOP SECRET” stamp and a congress that allows it to go on with impunity! SAD!
October 1st, 2006 at 3:24 pmSo why don’t all the Democrats file a lawsuit against those who withheld the information from the Commission? The only way to determine if it was a crime is to file a lawsuit, not jawbone. File the Goddamn laqwsuit and see where it goes.
Come on, can’t someone make a strong statement about all this. The meek, please withdraw the ad type of statement only reinforces the victim. I am tired of Liberals and Democrats playing the victim.
It seems to me that the press and the media and the Liberals and Democrats have been playing the victim, as in “Poor me!”, for much too long. First, they let the Republicans mount an attack on them and their positions or do something unjust like imprisoning your employee. Then they act surprised at the “bad” Republicans for doing this. Then they protest, calling what the Republicans do “despicable” or “dirty tricks” or “untrue” or, worse yet, as you do, “unfair”. All of which only makes you, the press and your organization look even more like victims. And so you dig your own fate. I also sense that, when you do this and ring your hands, you are hoping the Republicans will receive their comeuppance from some mysterious force, and that they will self-destruct of their own accord. The Democrats have been out of power for so long they’re afraid to lose any handhold they have, and the press and media have become so used to truckling to the Administration, it is almost a lost battle. It is important to recognize that, if you are ever to restore any semblance of dignity you and your organization have, you need to vote for the Democrats this time around, nevertheless, to balance the Republicans who have lived up to Lord Acton’s maxim: “Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
So she lied. They all eventually lie. Even Colin Powell now admits he lied. Come on, readers, stop being victims. They lie. Of course they lie. Truth isn’t important. Only what they think in their head, only what concoctions get brewed in their bunker-like mentality, seem to be “real†to them. So why—why, indeed?—would anyone expect anything else from them? It was convenient to lie about Iraq being connected to Al Qaeda. Bush’s head is so muddled that he probably believes it; Rove likes twisting people’s heads; so does Cheney. By this time they may believe we went to war to stop Al Qaeda in Iraq. But my point is: Who cares? It’s not true and truth IS NOT IMPORTANT TO REPUBLICANS at this point in time. The media by and large aren’t journalists, or keepers of the “truth†flame; they by and large sell advertising and entertain; they have no discipline or sensitivity or even any reason to ask hard questions. Why, oh why, do people always seem to expect it? It’s playing the victim, and that seems to be the role they’ve assigned for yourselves. When they get over it, and strike back to reclaim the electorate by asking the hard questions and not dumbing down statements like “Bush lied todayâ€, or “Bush made wildly conflicting statements today†or “Bush didn’t answer the question he was asked.†When this begins to happen, when influential people say, Stop the madness, they won’t be victims any more. So if you help Republicans in any way, by not voting or by not persuading your friends and family to vote, by not contributing to the Democrats, you’ll be helping to promote a draft, among other things too stupid to mention. So make sure the Democrats win this time around, and don’t jawbone about it or prevaricate or think about how inept or stupid they are, just vote for them. Right now the Democrats are the only force that will balance off the Republican’s march to a totalitarian state; they may become corrupt but it’ll take some time for that to happen.
October 1st, 2006 at 4:31 pmI can’t think of any person more unqualified to hold the positions that Condi Rice has held. She has had no experience in national security and non in foreign diplomacy. They might as well have stuck a “flat” Condi at the table. In case anyone doesn’t know the “flat” term, it comes from people who have loved ones in the military in Iraq and Afghanistan having life size flat cutouts of their loved one, so they feel like they’re with them at home.
Condi should go back to playing the piano.
October 1st, 2006 at 6:16 pmHaving read all of your comments, I note that the following ideas are missing. It may have been that some Arabs wanted to bring down the twin towers, but the current administration after spying on them, or even indirectly funding them, noted that they just didn’t have the skills to accurately fly large planes into big buildings. So that’s why Cheney took command of NORAD in May of 2001 and began assisting them from behind the scenes. He made sure that our military planes would not be available on 9/11 by scheduling a mock exercise involving attacking the twin towers and the Pentagon, so that everyone would get really confused. Then he probably ordered drones to do the actual attacks. The civilian planes that went missing each had around fifty passengers, as maybe the Cheney gang had some guilt for killing so many people, and they also picked a time when the towers were the least occupied before normal working hours, and they also targeted the part of the Pentagon which was still under reconstruction and therefore had the least number of workers.
I thank DognamedBoo for his expert advice as a plane mechanic saying it was possible for the inept Muslims to fly these large planes using a DVD. But then wasn’t it also possible for the military to turn off the transponders and fly the planes remotely?
And regarding hoping our republic can be saved by the Democratic Party, I only wish it were the case. Remember that Pres. Clinton was a student at Georgetown University and his favorite history prof there was Prof. Quigley Here’s Carroll Quigley’s quote from his most famous work:
Tragedy and Hope:
“The two parties should be almost identical, so the
American people can “throw the rascals out” at any
election without leading to any profound or extensive
shifts in policy.”
Basically, what we have folks in this country is one party with two heads, the good cop and the bad cop. And to understand how this all happened you may need to see Aaron Russo’s film: “America: From Freedom to Fascism,” about America being run by very privately owned Federal Reserve Bank (also illegal according to our tattered Constitution). Look for Aaron Russo’s video interview on the net.
Then I suggest that you go the following site and read the real explanation about how this all came about in four essays entitled: “The Future is calling.”
October 1st, 2006 at 6:45 pmThe website that is missing from my last post is:
http://www.freedomforceinternational.com
I suggest that you go to the site, then scroll to the bottom and you will see a link to four essays entitled: “The Future is Calling.†Read these essays and learn the truth about our government and its allies around the world.
October 1st, 2006 at 7:05 pmOle Condi did not ger her name of Condiliar Rice for nothing!
October 1st, 2006 at 7:45 pmYou can see more at Google Videos-look at “911 coverup”
October 1st, 2006 at 8:03 pmThe Bush administration was NOT incompetent in their failure to recognize or act upon the PDB info and the host of other clues pointing to an impending attack. The neocons undoubtedly believed that a massive terrorist attack would rally the American people around their Commander-in-Chief and that they would accept any measures “necessary” to prevent a future attack. I say brilliant! Did the administration orchestrate or conspire in 9/11? Doubtful, but it’s certainly plausible that they did take the warnings seriously and decided to let an attack happen. Until now, it’s clearly worked to their advantage.
October 1st, 2006 at 8:25 pmthey let it happen !
they let it happen !
They needed a pearl harbor and got it !
They needed a pearl harbor and got it !
Just go read their PNAC piece. Kristol, Cheney, Jeb Bush etc…all signed on to implement the PNAC goals. Part of the goals is open a wider war in ME and attack Iraq and Iran. They are half way through. Iran is next. Only matter of time when we attack Iran.
October 1st, 2006 at 8:58 pmPerhaps Woodward set up the White House by writing two puff piece books to gain their confidence, get inside their inner circle, to gain access. He is, after all, a reporter first, a muckraker. For the BushCo inner circle to feel they could trust him may have been a mistake…..
October 1st, 2006 at 9:37 pmWait, wait…I got it.
October 1st, 2006 at 10:02 pmIt’s all Clinton’s fault.
Some folks here complain that the admin believes the people to be stupid. Some people complain that the admin is stupid. I complain that the people think the admin is stupid. The admin has long (b4 9/11) known that a large scale terrorist attack on this country could be exploited to the benefit of those in power. They are certainly smart enough to have set up such an attack and even if they hadn’t set it up, they are not stupid enough to stop if they don’t have to.
October 1st, 2006 at 10:13 pmCalling all those who believed that Phil Zelikow’s job was to impede any real 9/11 investigation. You have won the Booby prize:
“The July 10 meeting between Tenet, Black and Rice went unmentioned in the various reports of investigations into the Sept. 11 attacks, but it stood out in the minds of Tenet and Black as the starkest warning they had given the White House on bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Though the investigators had access to all the paperwork on the meeting, Black felt there were things the commissions wanted to know about and things they didn’t want to know about.
Philip D. Zelikow, the aggressive executive director of the Sept. 11 commission and a University of Virginia professor who had co-authored a book with Rice on Germany, knew something about the July 10 meeting, but it was not clear to him what immediate action really would have meant. In 2005 Rice hired Zelikow as a top aide at the State Department.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp…6093000282.html
October 1st, 2006 at 10:40 pmI seem to recall that George Tenet testified before a Senate committee that he had lied to Congress before their vote to give Bush authorization to wage an illegal war on Iraq. And this at the urging of the White House. He called it a mistake, but I believe the law calls it a felony to mislead Congress. Also, didn’t Bush dismantle investigations into the bin Ladens and Saudi Arabia before 911? Does anybody else recall these things or am I having a Bush moment of my own?
October 1st, 2006 at 11:10 pmAccording to The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions & Distortions by David Ray Griuffin;
October 1st, 2006 at 11:15 pm” Philip Zelikow was in charge of the commission’s staff and they did most of the actual work on the commission.” “…Later Zelikow as in charge of overseeing the writing of the staff reports, many of which went virtually unchanged into the final report. And he was then in charge of editing the final report itself.”
Given Mr. Zelikow’s ties to Rice, is it any wonder the July 10 meeting along with God knows what other vital information was never reviewed by the Commissioners, uncovered or made it into the report at all. Just another day in the Bush administrations house of lies and deceit.
Zelikow was there to make sure that the 911 commission would not release damaging info to the press. Zelikow is also one of the neocons who wanted to attack Iraq. Hamilton, Kerrey and other Dems were just pawns or went along to sooth the 911 widows. It was one big PR game masterfully commandeered by the WH. Googling Zelikow will help you understand his role more.
They let it happen and it did happen as planned. A beauty indeed
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:10 amTwenty Things We Now Know Five Years After 9/11 (a must read):
October 2nd, 2006 at 5:44 amhttp://www.crisispapers.org/essays6w/twentythings.htm
To # 216… nearly spilled my coffee.
9/11? It’s Clinton’s fault.
Bin Laden? It’s Clinton’s fault.
The USS Cole? It’s Clinton’s fault.
North Korea? It’s CLinton’s fault.
Sluggish economy? Clinton’s fault.
Low housing starts? hmmm…..let me think……yeah….Clinton’s fault.
Foley? Clinton’s fault.
Red Sox, no longer in the playoffs? Clinton’s fault.
Mercury in the water? Clinton’s fault.
Child obesity? Clinton’s fault.
Fox news can teach you a lot.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:46 amThis message is to Zooey and unbelievable..
my very own mother still ‘loves’ president Bush and say’s he would never do anything to hurt the american people…and she ‘prays’ for him every night because he’s protecting us from those bad people that want to harm President…she now has tolerance to hear the truth… us”….It’s gotten hard to maintain a relationship with a person that was a teacher for over 20 years she loved Clinton just as much when he was
I think there is a huge population of intelligent people that cannot face the truth and have drank the kool-aid…God help us.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:55 amIt has to snap one way or the other. Unfortunately, 9/11 has shown us that Americans are embarrassing cowards. When push comes to shove, I think they are as likely to come after the people who would dare to disturb their comfortable internal mythology and tell them the Emperor has no clothes.
But if it can snap the other way through the fog of propaganda, there is no rage like that of the forsaken and the lied to. I suspect the Bush regime understands this and will fight all the harder. And Job #1 (the only job they aren’t incompetent at) _is_ propaganda.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:35 am[...] Oh, the summer of 2001! [...]
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:09 amReplyng> TOo, {CPatriot} http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/gwb100501.html
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:57 pmBush Moves to Limit Disclosures to Congress, Presidential memorandum dated October 5, 2001 and More reasons here {http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/index.html Bush Administration Documents
on Secrecy Policy}
as too why no gongressional oversite is alowed, Its simploy a act of presidential executive orders, Bush Quitely and secrectly exuberated on use in sharp conflict with the constittutional authority he is allowed by Law, YES HE IS commiting TREASON>
Phillip Zelikow’s role in filtering what information was available to the 9-11 Commission didn’t just begin with the absence of the meeting between Black/Tenet with Condi Rice. He was and still is a Bush political loyalist. During the disputed 2000 Florida recount he was on the Bush legal team that argued before the Supreme Court. He was actually the second choice to head up the 9-11 Commission after Henry Kissinger had to withdraw due to his(Kissinger”s) unwillingness to disclose his financial ties within Saudi Arabia and to the Saudi royal family. The compromise between Dems and Reps. allowed him (Zelikow) to chair the commission but, due to his ties to Bush, prohibited him from doing any of the questioning, either in private or in public. What it did not prohibit him from was what material would be made available to the 9-11 Commissioners. In fact it was his principle job to make material relevant material available and his job to sumarize the closed part of testimony (the part that could be made public) in front of the television cameras. Not only was this meeting between Rice and Tenet/Black not made availabel but another key piece of evidence of what the administration knew prior to 9-11 was also kept from the Commission. Google “Able Danger” to find information on the governments pre-911 knowledge of the al-Qeada network (including Atta and 2 other 9-11 highjackers) as much as 2 years before the attacks occured. He was given a flow chart (complete with photos) of the network shortly after the Afghanistan attack that was drawn up inside the intelligence agencies prior to 9-11 (but before the 9-11 Commission was finished pulling together its evidence) to examine. This flowchart has since mysteriously “disappeared” and the intelligence officers who know of it’s existence have been prevented by the pentagon from testifying to it’s existence before Congress. It was not referenced in the final report at all. The final chapter of what occured on 9-11 and what could have been done to prevent it has not been written. When you have a partisan hack manipulating and managing what material makes it in front of the Commissioners to examine then only those facts he wants to come to light will be seen. By hack I mean someone who has a vested interest in one candidate winning an election prior to the disaster of 9-11, chairing the Commission to investigate it, deciding what information will be made available to the Commission, taking a prominent position with one of the key administration officials (Rice) charged in protecting the country from such attacks and failing to do so, and working for a large political think tank on formulating policy’s and spin for the administrations response to such an attack. Before…During… Aftermath…Investigative…Acceptable history. When all phases of recording history are controlled under one set of lenses it is easy to dupe the masses that it is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth….even if is not any of these.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:44 pmIt’s time, people, for the GOP to loose the House and Senate and then move to impeachment and removal of the president and his top staff. Then Bush, Rumsfeld, and Condi should be prosecuted for breach of US law and war crimes. BRING DOWN THIS GOVERMENT!
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:55 pmwhy do we have to wait for a book to come out?
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pmwhere is bob’s sense of responsibility to the american people, to raise questions in a timely manner, when it was of the essence; and now he comes forward?
is this what news is now? something to be sold in a book?
Does anyone believe that liar???
October 2nd, 2006 at 5:21 pm230: is this what news is now?
Everything that comes before the election is “news”. But wait! This is getting interesting. Condi says “that meeting didn’t happen”:
“Rice Denies That She Was Warned of Attack”:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200187.html
Now, either Bob is making things up or the administration is (O RLY? NO WAI!).
Froomkin (nearly the last man standing at the WaPo) fires off some commentary:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html
And here’s the money quote from Bartlett: “That’s Secretary Rice’s view, that that type of urgent request to go after bin Laden, as the book alleges, in her mind, didn’t happen.”
Get that? In her mind, it didn’t happen.
This will be a ‘he said’ ’she said’ kind of story then. Until the Swift Boat clears moorings.
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:33 pmAs to posts 138 (Jack), 187 (Rob), 203 (Dog), there are *plenty* of CT sites for you dolts to lurk on — GO AWAY, you ignorant, gullible whackadoodles!!!!
As to heat and steel, “If this were the case, then why don’t our stoves collapse?”
OMG. I haven’t laughed so hard in months. Holy crap. :)
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:39 pmThe Commission had plenty of opportunity to ask pointed questions of numerous folks — including Richard Clarke, George Tenet and Cofer Black — and it chose not to. Any outrage expressed by certain members at the news of a July 10 meeting is pretty hilarious. They knew the Bush administration had repeatedly been put on notice about the threat of Al Qaeda.
Whether the commission members agreed that they must agree on lines of questioning amongst themselves in advance, I do not know. I do know the Commission didn’t delve into issues as deeply as it could have and should have for obvious reasons. Protect the administration. Hold no one person accountable.
It wasn’t as though the testifying parties didn’t assert that Tenet, for instance, told Bush about the urgent matter of Al Qaeda threats at every opportunity (the “hair on fire” comments). As Clarke pointed out, Clinton was the type to shake the bureaucratic tree and direct various agencies to share information (and it appears that’s the only way the agencies will ever play ball with each other — at the end of a presidential gun as it were).
Condi(Kinda-Lies-A-Lot) Rice is still lying — perhaps even to herself at this point. The self-delusion would help her sleep at night, I guess.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:06 pmWhy hasn’t someone been fired? Why have the dems, for the most part been silent? Why haven’t people gone to jail? Why have there been no open trials of anyone, including ‘terrorists’? Is it incompetence? Or are our leaders, our legislators, our courts and even a majority of the people themselves complicit in all the foregoing to one degree or another? Is our government totally corrupt? If so, we elected them and we keep them in office. We too (the American voters, and maybe especially the non-voters) are complicit, albeit to possibly a lesser extent. It’s time to throw the bastards out. And failing that… well that’s up to you to fill in the blanks. Hallibuton has been contracted by our government to build what amounts to concentration camps in our own country. Congress has suspended for all intents and purposes, the right of habeas corpus. Does anyone see a parallel? I hear footsteps.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:31 amThe 9/11 Commission now acknowledges that the Tenet/Rice/Security Counsel meeting occurred on July 10, 2001 Ashcroft now states that he knew nothing of the meeting or the subject-matter discussed. To boot, he has expressed his regret and dismay that, if the CIA and Tenet had knowledge of an impending threat to domestic security Tenet failed to notify him, since he, Ashcroft, was responsible for domestic security.
Was it coincidence that Tenet called Rice from his car phone to arrange an immediate, emergency meeting regarding the specific threat on July 10, 2001, on the same day that the Phoenix Memo was sent to the FBI, our domestic security agency? Unlikely. How unlikely is it that the FBI didn’t forward that extraordinary email to the Office of Homeland Security along with the CIA? Aschcroft got the e-mail, probably before Tenet did. Perhaps his page was tied up that day.
Condi just can’t recall.
The 9/11 commission knew of the meeting. It was disclosed to them and, although they didn’t include it in their report, they now admit the fact that they knew the meeting occurred.
Connect the dots. More dots are sure to emerge . . . the implications for our international identity and collective self-perception are horrific.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:01 amA small quibble/correction — there was no Office of Homeland Security in 2001. And it is not unlikely *at all* that the FBI wouldn’t forward relevant info to the CIA — then or, more sadly, now. CIA may have gleaned info on its own. I suppose we may have to wait for Tenet’s book to see what exactly may have prompted the July 10 meeting (assuming Clarke’s book doesn’t address it).
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:26 pmI belived in Administration … know i don’t know what to belive… but be sure, laws of physics can’t be easily broken.
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmI belived in administration ones
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmI belived in administration twice
… but never again i’ll belive Mrs. Codi Rice
As the truth comes out the question of whether the administration deliberately allowed 9/11 to occur must be considered. And even if they were not active participants it is obvious that the war in Iraq was inevitable because of the administration’s desire to manufacture reasons for being there. Now, because of this many American lives have been wasted for greed. Each of these acts that these individuals have committed during the course of events are acts of treason. In order to prevent this from happening again and to keep them from destroying us further it is imperative that we try them as traitors and execute them when found guilty. If we can’t do this legally then we should be aware that there are probably people out there that may take matters into their own hands and wipe these fiends off the face of this earth. May they rot in hell.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:45 pmCan’t imagine where you fell from, but thanks for your grace.
Here in the homeland, all of the dots and bad news are simply distressing. . . as is the fact that I just spent time composing a very elequent comment that, as soon as it was sent, it was erased, and it took more than an hour to reconnect to this website.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:23 amAnybody else having trouble getting on this space?
October 4th, 2006 at 1:35 amBecause I have been unable to express myself eloquently, here, you get the ugly. Why do you profess that you did not know that OBM planned to invade Iraq? Why did you fein to invade iraq as a liberator? (why would we destroy the airport of a “liberated” country after we had “successfully” “liberated” the country?).
We dislike you for lying, hypocrisy, ugliness and the following:
Killing Iraqi civiians
Nation building – You would never engage in that business – see Debates.
Torturing people
Raping the environment
Extermination of species
Environmental destruction
Fertilization of Terror
International Isolation
International ignominy
Just plain, you suck : > )
October 4th, 2006 at 2:38 amYou people just got it now? Many non-Americans saw the drawing in the sand ages ago – the all powerful government of America allowed 9-11 to happen so they would have a undeniable reason to go to war. For several reasons : Secure the oil supply, take revenge on Saddam for trying to assassinate Bushie Snr, teach the Muslims “a lesson”, a “christian crusade” against Islam (junior said it too) , bow to the arms lobbyist (arms made and not used are not profitable, are they?), and God only knows what else. Do you people still wonder why they still didn’t ‘get’ Osama, with all the advanced technology available to the CIA and the military ?
Wake up America ! You have been scammed by the Bushies and the Saudis, who have always been in cahoots. Even ordinary Saudis know this – thay call their monarchy and the Republican US govt two sides of the same coin – both pretenders and not to be trusted.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:28 amI am not sure anybody mentioned this, but remember that Bush was willing to bribe with money, the family of victims on 9/11 if they would sign an agreement to not sue. I do not remember any families getting any money in the Oklahoma City bombing. It makes you wander if he knew more about the 9/11 events and was hoping that no one would find out. But if they did the families signed a document where they could not sue the government. Remember, he protested having the 9/11 commission for a long time before agreeing to it.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:37 pmStop talking and start acting! Get off your asses and out into the streets!
October 4th, 2006 at 12:53 pmWhat the hell happened to government “of the people, by the people, and for the people’? We are all acting like terrified employees cowed by a tyrannical boss, gathering in little groups around the water cooler to bitch about the injustice of it all, when in fact and by law, our government exists to serve us, not the other way around! People – you ARE the Boss! Start acting like it and throw the bums the hell out!!
Important to note – Good solid Americans serve in Iraq and Afganistan, committed and loyal to this country. They are honoring a commitment to “the American way.” They are honorable, however misguided the policy. They face such a frightening mission every day and must be commended for their service.
Troops, we support you and pray for your well-being.
October 4th, 2006 at 7:53 pmZarine,
Looking for a solution. What would you suggest?
October 4th, 2006 at 9:32 pmleave
Your govt is full of pervs – can not deal with them, how can you deal with the ME?
October 5th, 2006 at 12:07 amWell, from this little comment below, it looks like Peter may want to ask around at UAL headquarters too:
October 5th, 2006 at 12:45 am
Again, here is that link missing from post #250
October 5th, 2006 at 12:49 amhttp://blog.plbox.net/?p=16#comments
Lets see, where does this go wrong . . . for those too lazy to sidetrack, we have it all for you:
That is right. [Who speaks this way? "That is right"] I worked on the third floor of the United Airlines’ world headquarters till 2003 and months prior to 9/11 I could listen to wild theories of possibility of using aircrafts as missiles by terrorists. These were not just rumors; these were opinions of serious men working closely with flight crews and FAA officials and Airline Security every day. On top of this, few weeks before September,11 2001, I was personally warned not to fly because a high chance of [ oops, missed an "a" here"] plane hijacking to happen, by someone [who might be from] from UAL management. Like you ["you" being, who?] said, it looks like they [?] tried to weather [weather? who knows] that treat [presumably, "threat"] in hopes that the hijacking would result in some kind of hostage negotiations, besides that, they could not stop the airline operations – so they chose to play dumb instead.
[Not sure the point here]
October 5th, 2006 at 1:25 amWow, 250, ignore our desert-luving friend- idiot – you seem to
October 5th, 2006 at 1:33 amhave first-hand information. Any docs, e-mails, instant messages, etc…?
T252 You tried. Let me help. Excuse me, lets try again:
That is right. [Who speaks this way? “That is rightâ€] I worked on the third floor of the United Airlines’ [note: advanced use of punctuation, the possessive plural – quite advanced – at least in the seventh grade] world headquarters till [should be “untilâ€] 2003 and months prior to 9/11[should have period here]. I could listen to wild theories of possibility of [oops, extra use of “ofâ€] using aircrafts as missiles by terrorists [D'bya, just how exactly do you define "terrorist"? Is it a democrat? or just anybody on the planet who disagrees with you?]. These were not just rumors; [suprising use of punctuation] these were opinions of serious men [women? probably not] working closely with flight crews and FAA officials and Airline Security every day. [Unsure here, perhaps, trying to be colloquial]. On top of this, [oops, missed another “aâ€, work on that – Mom?] few weeks before September,11 2001, I was personally warned not to fly because a high chance of [Is he speaking pigeon English or is it just a moment . . . oops, missed an “a†hereâ€] plane hijacking to happen [every time hikacking to happen, call cops . . . sticky to head], by someone [who might be from] from UAL management. Like you [â€you†being, who?] said, it looks like they [?] tried to weather [weather? who knows] that treat [presumably, “threatâ€] in hopes that the hijacking [damn, wish I had that sticky] would result in some kind of hostage negotiations [could I just take me?!] , besides that, they could not stop the airline operations ["airline operations? what kind of med-mal do you need for that? My god. . . and I quit pediatrics] – so they chose to play [dubya] dumb instead.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:19 am[Ann Richards, we love you]
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October 6th, 2006 at 11:06 amMaybe after we impeach that son of a bitch and throw his worthless ass in the clink for a million years, we can finally have a REAL investigation of what happened on 9/11.
October 9th, 2006 at 10:18 am[...] WH may have covered up Rice-Tenet meeting from 9/11 Commission 05:06 pmAdd comment Think Progress : Most of the world has now seen the infamous picture of President Bush tending to his ranch on August 6, 2001, the day he received the ultra-classified Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) that included a report entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US." And most Americans have also heard of the so-called "Phoenix Memo" that an FBI agent in Phoenix sent to FBI headquarters on July 10, 2001, which advised of the "possibility of a coordinated effort" by bin Laden to send students to the United States to attend civil aviation schools. [...]
October 17th, 2006 at 6:02 am[...] Page Summary: All of them were obligated to tell the truth. Tenet did what it took to keep his job and if that ment sucking up and lying for Bush so be it. If they had done their jobs, and tried everything they possibly could to try and stop 9/11, but failed, it would be easier to forgive. 6 – How is it that no one has been fired for the gross security failures and negligence of the 9/11 attacks.read more | digg story [...]
October 26th, 2006 at 11:52 pm[...] Bush Officials May Have Covered Up Rice-Tenet Meeting From 9/11 Commission“Though the investigators had access to all the paperwork about the meeting, Black felt there were things the commissions wanted to know about and things they didn’t want to know about.†The notion that both the 9/11 Commission and the Congress [...]
January 1st, 2007 at 8:44 pmI think we all know, but are afraid to acknowledge, that our own government did this to us. I can’t help but to wonder how many of us are cognitive of what is written in the book of Revelations about that whore….that country that no other country could defeat but in one hour….everybody perishes (except for the whore herself which flees to the desert place….leaving the rest of us to die by fire).
just a thought.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:38 am[...] nombreuses questions de la part des enquêteurs. Peter Rundlet, conseiller pour la Commission, dénonce avec colère, le 30 septembre 2006, cette dissimulation et s’interroge gravement sur ce [...]
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