ThinkFast: September 30, 2006 — ‘State of Denial’ Edition
ThinkFast: September 30, 2006 — ‘State of Denial’ Edition
Woodward quotes Iraq war commander Gen. John Abizaid telling two retired generals in 2005, “We’ve got to get the [expletive] out.” In March 2006, Abizaid visited Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) and “indicated he wanted to speak frankly. According to Murtha, Abizaid raised his hand for emphasis, held his thumb and forefinger a quarter of an inch from each other and said, ‘We’re that far apart.’”
In February 2005, two weeks after Condi Rice became secretary of state, her top aide Phillip Zelikow “presented her with a 15-page, single-spaced secret memo” summing up his fact-finding trip to Iraq. “At this point Iraq remains a failed state shadowed by constant violence and undergoing revolutionary political change,” Zelikow wrote.
Woodward writes, in those moments “where Bush had someone from the field there in the chair beside him [in the Oval Office], he did not press, did not try to open the door himself and ask what the visitor had seen and thought. The whole atmosphere too often resembled a royal court, with Cheney and Rice in attendance, some upbeat stories, exaggerated good news and a good time had by all.”
In a seven-page memo in July 2004, a “longtime friend” of Donald Rumsfeld, Steve Herbits, described Rumsfeld’s “style of operation”: “Indecisive, contrary to popular image. Would not accept that some people in some areas were smarter than he. . . . Trusts very few people. Very, very cautious. Rubber glove syndrome — a tendency not to leave his fingerprints on decisions.”
“Woodward said he pushed repeatedly to interview Bush,” Howie Kurtz writes. “But White House counselor Dan Bartlett and national security adviser Stephen Hadley, after a period of cooperation, told him an interview was unlikely and then stopped returning his calls,” which Woodward attributes “to Bush’s declining popularity.”
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State Of Denial is the smoking gun proving that every word out of the mouth of Cheney, Rice, and Bush on Iraq is a goddamn lie.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:25 amI think the royal court analogy was a dead-ringer. We’ve known for many years that Bush was simply its jester/hand-puppet, and not the king he thinks he is.
Perhaps it’s time the rest of the country clued themselves in as well and started demanding accountability from these infantile jackasses ruining our country.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:30 ammy, we have an interesting news cycle. guess we really won’t hear anything about it on any station that has a cable presence, for they don’t care. their silence has been purchased
does it strike anyone as horrifying that the republican leaders, and no doubt most all of the republican house membership knows all about the perverts they have among them?
I wonder what is next? I wonder why our AG is more concerned with threats to the courts not to act against criminals. let’s see, Justice won’t prosecute any republican criminals. how many criminals does this then entail? apparently, it includes our justice department, and the entire white house, the leaders of congress, Perhaps we should just try to determine who isn’t involved, the counting could be easier finding innocents
September 30th, 2006 at 11:30 amHabeas Corpus.
Your right to be seen by a judge.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:36 amAnd yet, even after all of this, I still don’t have much confidence that the American people have any significant sense of outrage that will cause them vote them out of office next month or in 08. That’s one thing that’s not Bush’s fault.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:37 amYes, keep focusing on issues that play to Republican strengths, you cut and run cowards.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:40 amWatch the Reich-wing nuts smear and swiftboat Woodward now , in really vicious attacks. Rush Limpdick, Bill O’Leilly, Sean Hannity, & Mann Coulter will really go after him now, directed by chickenhawks Karl Rove, Bill First, & Dennis Hastert.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:41 amDenial? I’m not in Denial. De-Nile is in Egypt. And we haven’t attacked Egypt. That’s because of 9/11. you see, one of the hijackers was from Egypt. But he died in the attack, so I don’t have to attack Egypt. Same goes for Saudi Arabia, Lebannon, and the United Arab Emirates. They all died in the attacks. But you’ll note there’s no hijackers from Iraq, so no one from Iraq died in the attacks, so that’s why we have to attack Iraq. Iran too. There weren’t any hijackers from the axis of evil, so that means they all got away.
But they didn’t go to De-Nile. So I had to bomb Afghanistan. I’m not concerned about bin Laden, because if he attacks us again. I’ll blow up another country. And another. And another. And if I get to De-Nile, I’ll blow that up, too. Take that, Aswan Damn! Heh, heh. I jus’ said “Damn,” when I shoulda said “Dam.” Is this mike still on? Sh!t.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:41 am“I deny that I have ever been in a state of denial.”
September 30th, 2006 at 11:43 amYes, keep focusing on issues that play to Republican strengths, you cut and run cowards.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — September 30, 2006 @ 11:40 am
Aw come on Jason, my high school juniors can come up with better insults than that. It was actually laughable (at you of course).
Have you been defending the latest pedophile in your party yet?
September 30th, 2006 at 11:45 amFunny BnF
September 30th, 2006 at 11:48 amWhy does this description remind me so much of corporate life? OH, YES. I too remember the danger of bringing bad news to the CEO. I too remember being instructed to take certain actions so that my boss or bosses would not take the heat.
In business, one can get away with these things. At worst, the executive will bankrupt the business. However, in government, the damage can be the loss of the country and its freedoms.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:50 amI see Hendler got the short straw for today. So what is it now from our resident Fascist: issues that play to Republican strengths…issues like pedophilia; the destruction of liberty and Constitutional rights; the disaster in Iraq; the turning of America into the world’s largest terrorist State…those issues?
So, Republicans are now the party that supports: torture, the denial of basic human rights under the Geneva Convention, total authoritarian power in the Executive Branch, removing jurisdiction from the Legislative Branch, intrusive federal government, rampant deficit spending, and tax breaks disproportionately favoring the extremely wealthy. The Republican Party is an interesting blend of a Fascist political system, a Capitalist economic system, and a Satanist religious system cloaking itself in Christianity. Yes, Hendler, you are a model of the modern Republicanism.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:53 am#13, Bris,
Reps don’t try to use courts to create the laws that serve their disparate consituents, like the Dems do, so spare me your lecture on the constitution. Given the frantic shrill cries from progs and even Bubba, you already sense your impending losses in 6 weeks, so I am just sitting pack and soaking it all in.
I will be here the day after the elections to tell you what you are doing wrong, so that you can change, and thus improve, your party.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:57 amAs for the Rep trolling for young boys, Reps are more than happy to police their own and boot him out. Dems just lie and deny, trying to keep in power the black Congressmen who had $90,000 in cash in his freezer.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:59 amI will be here the day after the elections to tell you what you are doing wrong, so that you can change, and thus improve, your party.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — September 30, 2006 @ 11:57 am
And will you show up if you lose, Mr. Smug Arrogance?
September 30th, 2006 at 12:01 pmunbee,
I will be here rain or shine, because it would be win-win. As Hill’reh fears, should Dems win the house, they will conduct themselves so shamefully, that no Dem presidential candidate will have a prayer at being elected in 2008.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:04 pmI thought not…
September 30th, 2006 at 12:05 pm#17 – already rolling out the spin for your party’s impending loss eh Jason? Shameful will become the word of the day when we start finding out what your crew has really been up to the last couple of years via a few well placed investigations.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pmIf the Republicans had the least pretense of objectivity, they would join the Democrats in using Woodward’s book as the raison d’etre for impeaching Bush, Cheney and the rest of his administration.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pmI will be here rain or shine, because it would be win-win. As Hill’reh fears, should Dems win the house, they will conduct themselves so shamefully, that no Dem presidential candidate will have a prayer at being elected in 2008.Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler — September 30, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
Jason+M.+Hendler= “Make-Up Artist”
September 30th, 2006 at 12:12 pmIs it just me, or are others here pissed off at Bob Woodward?
September 30th, 2006 at 12:14 pm#22 what do you mean? I’m watching the reporting now and the only people “pissed” are the Repub’s. And they arent pissed as much as just spinning thier wheels of denial..
September 30th, 2006 at 12:18 pmi’m real pissed off at woodward, zooey…
such a selfish, self-serving, creepy coward these days…
but maybe better late than never…
September 30th, 2006 at 12:21 pmHabeas Corpus
Latin for “you [should] have the body”, in common law countries, habeas corpus is the name of a legal instrument or writ by means of which detainees can seek release from unlawful imprisonment.
A writ of habeas corpus is a court order addressed to a prison official (or other custodian) ordering that a detainee be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he or she should be released from custody. The writ of habeas corpus in common law countries is an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action.
Slippery slope…..
September 30th, 2006 at 12:22 pmren,
Look at the dates in this thread alone:
in 2005; March 2006; February 2005; and July 2004.
Today is September 30, 2006. Maybe we could have had this information earlier? Woodward plays both sides of the fence — when it suits him.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pmbut maybe better late than never…
Comment by katy
Yes, better late than never. Woodward should add himself to the list of those in denial.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:29 pm#26 I just wasn’t clear.. It does take awhile to write such a book although he could have put all this in the last two books. Maybe he was saving it all for the last book kind of like a trilogy. Point taken though…
September 30th, 2006 at 12:30 pmIs it just me, or are others here pissed off at Bob Woodward?
Comment by Zooey — September 30, 2006 @ 12:14 pm
Of course. Same as Colin Powell and all of them who kept their mouths shut to save their own asses, but tell, from the comfort of hindsight, what we chould have known at the time.
A hero – someone with honor – would have said something much sooner. Like hundreds of thousands of lives sooner…
September 30th, 2006 at 12:34 pmhe could have put all this in the last two books…
Comment by ren — September 30, 2006 @ 12:30 pm
???????
HE COULD HAVE – SHOULD HAVE – TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
THESE THINGS AT THE TIME HE KNEW THEM…
woodward is a selfish opportunistic creep…
September 30th, 2006 at 12:34 pmZooey – Woodward is a dick!
But because he has been carrying the water for this administration for the last couple of years – it is going to be more difficult for the Rethugs to dismiss him as a partisan hack.
I am not sure what his angle is… pretty sure he has not grown a conscious… more likely he is serving his own interests… like a rat jumping from a sinking ship – he knows when the ride is over.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#15: Republicans police their own?? Ha! Like changing the House rules when Tom Delay kept breaking them? Hahahaha!
September 30th, 2006 at 12:35 pmyou know, what we needed, ThinkProgress:
ThinkFast: September 29,2006 — ‘End of Democracy’ Edition
why are you avoiding that subject? denial? what could it be?
September 30th, 2006 at 12:38 pminquiring minds want to know…
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Zooey – Woodward is a dick!
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist
I know!! And a self-serving prick!!
Thanks for the back up, everyone.
If Woodward had returned to his newspaper roots, and done a long series of articles soon after he acquired all this inside info, he would have once again been an American hero.
But no — he had to make a buck.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:42 pmThis book is what a real “hitjob” looks like.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:43 pmSenator Dorgan goes on the offensive against Bush’s attacks
September 30th, 2006 at 12:43 pmBy: John Amato on Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 8:49 AM – PDT
Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) took to the floor today to deliver a scathing indictment of the Bush administration. From the August 6th PDB to the bogus intelligence given to us by Curveball — an alcoholic whose assertions turned out to be 100% false and whom we based our entire case for war on — Dorgan let’s it fly.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/30/senator-dorgan-goes-on-the-offensive-against-bushs-attacks/
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ThinkFast: September 29,2006 — ‘End of Democracy’ Edition
Comment by katy
Truly inspired, katy.
I’m outta here for a while. This is probably the last nice weekend for a while in the polar northwest, as my sis in TX calls it.
Kick ass, ya’ll!
September 30th, 2006 at 12:45 pmhttp://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/index.htm
http:gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/index.htm
do nothing bush ’state of denialists’
September 30th, 2006 at 12:45 pmBack with your debunked rants again?
September 30th, 2006 at 12:49 pmYour getting to be pathetic in your attempts Jason.
So that’s what it’s coming down to. 70% of the country are “cut and runners”.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:55 pmJason–
September 30th, 2006 at 12:57 pmyou keep thinking that defense is your strong suit–when America knows full well that you have LOST THE WAR.
America gave the republicans everything: we let you thumb your nose at the UN, we let you lie to us, we gave yyou carte blancge to prosecute a war, we gave you 800 BILLION dollars–
–and you LOST THE WAR.
You dragged our good name in the dirt, you lined your own pockets, you called anybody who tried to call you on it traitors, you lied and covered up and insulted veterans and war heroes–
–and you know what? America would have given you a pass on all that. Because, more than anything else, America loves a winner.
But you LOST THE WAR.
We keep calling you fascists–and we’re right, because you are.
But the general run of America calls you something worse, in their eyes:
they call you f*ckups.
And the worst kind: the kind that screws up royally–and then looks around desperately and tries to blame others.
You perpetrate the greatest military failure in the history of the United States–and blame it on filmmakers, singers, and actors.
You know what this is like? This is like a bad dot-com startup. A bunch of clowns convinces venture capitalists that theirs is a great idea. And for three years , they’re given everything they want. Money up the wazoo, a free hand in running the thing (T-shirts! Arcade games! No meetings!) and no pressure to get any sort of product out under any deadline.
That is, until the VCs feel your time is up.
Then you realize you haven’t earned their respect, you’ve rented it.And the rent’s due.
And the money guys have in fact been saving every receipt, seeing everything you’ve been getting away with, because hey! you got the money!
You Republicans are now standing there, up to your waists in sewage and blood, and you’re waving your original 9-11 business planin the air, saying what a great thing this was.
And America would have forgiven you the office that looks like a sty, the Porsches you bought for yourselves, your arrogance, your ‘new economy none of the old rules apply to us’ swagger–
–but you LOST THE WAR.
#32 Don’t forget that Congressman Bob Ney STILL hasn’t resigned his position after pleading guilty (so he can keep his pesion) and no Repubs are calling for his resignation either.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pmIn February 2005, two weeks after Condi Rice became secretary of state, her top aide Phillip Zelikow “presented her with a 15-page, single-spaced secret memo†summing up his fact-finding trip to Iraq. “At this point Iraq remains a failed state shadowed by constant violence and undergoing revolutionary political change,†Zelikow wrote.
Well single-spaced, not in APA style, I would have rejected it too.
/sarcasm
September 30th, 2006 at 1:00 pmI wonder what really goes on on that head of Rumsfeld, other than fruit bowls and random rounds of circuitous mental masterbation.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:02 pmHow about this: Woodward wrote some standard, perhaps flattering, things about the Bush administration, which then looked at Woodward as one of their own, and he gained their confidence, while all the time, collecting information for the real story. The Bushcos were honest with him and told him what was going on. It took a while to piece this together and get all the relevant data and interviews done.
Whatever way, he got the story and that makes him a pretty good investigative reporter.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:04 pmPeople have ripped on the retired generals for not speaking up while still in uniform. Who says that they did nto speak up? They very well may have tried speaking to various people in the administration, but to the best of my knowledge this administration listens to no one. Be they an expert on the subject or not, they only want to hear what they have preconcieved that they want to hear.
So beyond that these generals may very well have been speaking up in private, but in public it is their duty to present a united front. Dissenting to a plan publicly is not a good thing when you are part of the plan. Once they get out of office and speak out then they are doing so without breaking the united front that military commanders like to present.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#5 I live in a very red area. In my county for the last two cycles all you could see were republican campaign signs. Today while driving around I noticed hundreds of democrat candidates signs and ony a few yards with republican signs. I think my rep (Tim johnson) will probably win easily, but who knows. Other than that if visibility were the deciding factor dems appear to have th eupper hand in state and locl elections.
With Johnson his opponant needs to get out there and let people know how his voting reord coincides with the administrations wish list.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:08 pmHey Jason M Schindler, what is Bush’s course? Oh yeh Shock and Awe.
Today this war costs 2 billion a week, 3000 Troops killed, tens of thousands of ‘commas’ have died, many more injured, Post traumatic stress disorder runs high, depleted uranium in the water and soil, war profiteering, Halliburton failures, the NEW Iraq police building in shambles after shoddy construction [Parsons 1.6 billion screwup]
‘Shock and Awe’ at the incompetence of these guys.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:21 pmComment by pbg — September 30, 2006 @ 12:57 pm
well said!
September 30th, 2006 at 1:39 pmi like it so much i want to use it myself – with your permission…
i’m taking notes, jotting ideas for a letter-to-editor in my local papers…
there are many parts of your message that i’d like to include and pass along to the yahoos that surround me…
excellent message and tone… good job!
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The problem with the Geneva convention is it is like the United Nations, great in theory but when faced with reality it becomes nothing more than a dream. Both entities are powerless in execution and reality. The scumbags at Gitmo (detainees) need to be drenched in pig’s blood, executed and buried in pig shit. That’s the kind of message the terrorist will understand. They need to understand that their 72 virgins will not be there after they have departed this life.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:40 pmButteblack
Somehow, reading your post I don’t get the sense that the detainees are the scumbags.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:42 pmbutteblack, it appears you have posted on the wrong site, all skin head’s,nazis and reich wingers are at redstate…..Be gone..
September 30th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI will be here the day after the elections to tell you what you are doing wrong, so that you can change, and thus improve, your party.
Comment by Jason+M.+Hendler
You mean to say that to improve a ‘party’ they must become more corrupt, more powerhungry, more self-serving, and make more incredibly stupid mistakes on an unknown course than the neo-cons?
Interesting theory you got there Jason. You can only win if your more corrupt than the other guy. Huh.
I only see one problem with this. You can’t get more corrupt than your precious neo-cons already are.
Besides, when did you get Karl Roves brain? And shouldn’t you be using that brain of yours over at Freeperskinhead_chickenhawk.com?
September 30th, 2006 at 2:02 pmHow about this: Woodward…gained their confidence…collecting information…
Whatever way, he got the story and that makes him a pretty good investigative reporter.
Comment by Vincennes — September 30, 2006 @ 1:04 pm
that idea did cross my mind… tell i heard him speak… something just, ew… …will know more after 60minutes tomorrow…
September 30th, 2006 at 2:02 pmbut, if you are correct, i will appologize and rejoice!
fingers crossed!
good comebacks bruce and sharon! bonus funny!
back to my merrymaid duties…
September 30th, 2006 at 2:07 pmWell the Congressional recess started today > too bad they did not recess last weekend, then the torture bill would not have been enacted! From now until November 7th will be Karl Rove smearing Democrats and Bush deciding what day to attack Iran! I wish to be optimistic, but anything could happen in next 38 days, including martial law so be ready!
September 30th, 2006 at 2:08 pmYou do know that just because people are ‘detained’ does not make them guilty of a crime or even being a terrorist? You do know that of all those people released that some 90% had nothing to do with Alqaeda? So they were released because they were terrorists? huh.
Yeh, butteblack, seems they were just poor farmers in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And how you teach anyone a lesson by dousing them in pig blood and killing them and burying in pig dung is beyond me. Is that how you were raised as a child? Pray tell where do you get such a warped imagination? But really buttblacke but I don’t ever remember seeing these things in the bible, but then again maybe you went to the Church of Satan, I mean how else can you explain someone that would probably enjoy the blood and the pig dung as much as you do?
I think maybe you have seen to many of those Jason friday the thirteenth type movies or maybe read one too many Steven King novels, maybe it was that book of Scooter Libbys that you read?
And really, you can’t convince an end-timer that he won’t go floating off into the starry skies, much less someone who thinks heaven has 72 virgins waiting for them now can you?
September 30th, 2006 at 2:18 pmWhat’s Butteblack’s favorite movie? Butteblack Mountain?
September 30th, 2006 at 2:28 pmHA HA HA !!!!!!!!
Mr. Woodward, welcome back to the Reality Based Communityâ„¢.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:33 pmOver a year ago Cindy Sheehan, devastated, emotionally fragile mother of soldier son, Casey, killed in Iraq, asked one simple question of George Bush: “What is the Noble Cause for which my son died?”
September 30th, 2006 at 2:33 pmNow we see why Bush would not meet with her.
The cause is not noble.
War has been Rove’s political strategy.
“0ur Troops” have been sacrificed to sustain and build upon the Republican stranglehold on POWER in America.
INSANE.
SHAMEFUL.
In the sixth century, Chinese warrior Sun Tzu suggested putting limits on the way that wars were conducted.
Around 200 BCE, the notion of war crimes as such appeared in the Hindu code of Manu.
In 1305, the Scottish national hero Sir William Wallace was tried for the wartime murder of civilians.
Hugo Grotius wrote “On the Law of War and Peace” in 1625, focusing on the humanitarian treatment of civilians.
In 1865, Confederate officer Henry Wirz was executed for murdering Federal prisoners of war at the Andersonville prisoner of war camp. He was only one of several people who were tried for similar offenses.
The first Geneva Convention was signed in 1864 to protect the sick and wounded in war time.
Since that time, the United States has been involved in sadly too many wars. All of the warriors that the United States faced ignored the Geneva (idealistic dream) convention. Some of the countries were signatories of the dream and some were not.
It was a good idea but like the UN it just doesn’t work. Sorry liberals, sitting around singing cum-ba-u just doesn’t work in reality. And no I will not leave the site, you folks need a dose of reality. I will encourage more conservatives to post here and help you with your education.
I am not a Republican, I am an Amercian conservative which has very little to to with the Republican or Democratic parties.
Have a good day.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:36 pmWhat perplexes me about the Congress are those who voted for allowing torture? Almost all the Republicans voted for it like a pack of ravenous wolves, but why did 34 Democrat Representatives and 12 Democrat Senators vote for it too? They act like sheep who want to be eaten by the wolves! 34 Dems in the House means that 15% of the Democrats voted for torture and 12 Dems in the Senate means that aprox. 25% of the Senate Democrats voted for torture, while only 7 Republicans in the House voted against it which represents about 3% of GOP members, and 1 Repub Senator voted against it which is next to meaningless %! What this means is that overall about 97+% of Republicans toe the party line, but 15% to 25% of Democrats tend to always vote with Republicans and harm their own party?! Strange!
September 30th, 2006 at 2:38 pmI will encourage more conservatives to post here and help you with your education.Comment by Butteblack — September 30, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
September 30th, 2006 at 2:41 pmI didn’t know we needed an ‘education’? By the way, what kind of education would that be?
Oh thats so much better, Bizarro conservatism!!
Hey Jason and Butte Black —Jajajajaajajaaa!!
What are you gonna teach us? Nothing you posted was news to any of the ‘liberals’ we already know what you posted. Well except for why such a staunch educated conservative, as yourself, likes pig crap.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:44 pmButteback is really Brokeback if you get my drift > lol
September 30th, 2006 at 2:45 pmRepublicans toe the party line, but 15% to 25% of Democrats tend to always vote with Republicans and harm their own party?! Strange!
September 30th, 2006 at 2:47 pmComment by Jay Randal — September 30, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
They do this most of the time because they are in Red States and are afraid as you know Jay. But sometimes that has nothing to do with it. Like Mendez from Jersey(D) he voted for it too and he is in a close race in Jersey against Tom Kane but that shouldn’t matter unless he’s afraid they are going to hang it around his neck and they could lose the state to the Republicans. Yes, it’s very strange….
Reality is dousing people with pig blood, then killing them and burying them in pig dung?
No thanks butteblacke, I think I will be able to live without your ‘pig crap reality’ the people over at freerepublic.com would probably help you with your twisted celluloid pig crap theory of enlighenment.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:49 pmIt was a good idea but like the UN it just doesn’t work.
Right, of course … the Geneva Conventions didn’t save a single life during World War II in, say, Germany (for instance) – silly me!
September 30th, 2006 at 2:49 pmSorry liberals, sitting around singing cum-ba-u just doesn’t work in reality.
Which of the neocon talking heads started that? Because all the neocons say it, without giving that person credit (like Ann Coulter’s blatant plagerization), while acting like they are the first to say it – and that it is clever (it’s not, unless you are in the third grade).
I am not a Republican.
Comment by Butteblack — September 30, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
Duh… We noticed that you are actually a ventroliquists dummy who is probably on so many anti-depressants and martinis that he wouldn’t know reality if he hit it with his leased BMW.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:50 pmBush is the most disastrous actor on the world stage since Hitler.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:51 pmButteback is really Brokeback if you get my drift > lol
September 30th, 2006 at 2:51 pmComment by Jay Randal — September 30, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
Brokeback>Buttcrack… HA HA HA!!!!!!
We don’t want you to go away just yet, you are too much fun.
BTW would you worldly wise bizarro projectionists make up our minds? That is, one day we are Godless, according to theologian/lawyer/pundit Coulter, and now you have us sitting around religious campsites singing cum-bah-ya my lord?
But I guess your smarter than anne coulter as she only want’s to poison judges while you want to bury them in pig crap. Anyway, if you say I have a God, I do, and if you say I don’t have a God, then I don’t.
I am so glad that God put these genius reality-based neo-con haters on this planet so they can tell me who my God is.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:58 pmren > I think the Democrats will lose that Senate seat in New Jersey now, because Menendez voted for torture, which makes him look stupid! Kean will win, because he did not vote for torture, so a catch-22 kills Menendez! Democrats always get outfoxed by the Republicans, and I do not understand why? Oh well I have to go outside to work in my garden! Bye all.
September 30th, 2006 at 2:59 pmTrue or false….Woodward is all about selling books…$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
September 30th, 2006 at 3:05 pmDemocrats always get outfoxed by the Republicans -Jay Randal
I don’t really think thats true. What I think, and this is just speculation, is that the neo-cons have used religion as their cloak which makes those people think they are telling the truth when they are not. If they would stop and think for a moment these politicians have used, wrongly, Jesus as their shield, and they are really nothing but televangelists who will tell you anything.
Anyone who looks at the bush admin without their Jesus cloak, and compared their words to their actions they would see pretty quickly they have been duped by these people. The Jesus cloak also makes it hard to accuse these people of wrongdoing because it reeks of anti-christianity.
It’s a clever ploy and they can use it like some people do when they throw down the race card. Anyhow people, Christians everywhere, such as my ex wife (republican) are waking up to the neo-cons congame.
They have cloaked themselves in my good Lord Jesus for the last time, and it’s about time, because there is nothing worse than someone who uses Jesus and God for political gain.
September 30th, 2006 at 3:14 pm(Buttleback About those Geneva Conventions)
> It was a good idea but like the UN it just doesn’t work. Sorry
> liberals, sitting around singing cum-ba-u just doesn’t work in
> reality. And no I will not leave the site, you folks need a dose of
> reality. I will encourage more conservatives to post here and help
> you with your education.
Thank you for reminding me again why I continually have the uncanny impression the US really really needs a big fat nuke up its ass.
And I’m not even remotely affiliated with Islam.
September 30th, 2006 at 3:19 pmFrom the N.Y. Times of 9/29:
The legislation broadens the definition of enemy combatants beyond the traditional definition used in wartime, to include non-citizens living legally in this country as well as those in foreign countries, and also anyone determined to be an enemy combatant under criteria defined by the president or secretary of defense.
We are so screwed.
September 30th, 2006 at 3:56 pmRepublicans toe the party line
Because they are all good Germans.
September 30th, 2006 at 4:06 pmHey, look over there the Reichstag is burning.
Bob Woodward’s active participation in the sliming of Valerie Plame, while all the time secretly concealing that he knew who had leaked her CIA ID, was the final straw in the political haystack that made me mistrust him for life.
WHY SHOULD WE buy yet another book from this man when his aim is hardly to inform the country he professes to love, but to just make more money off of his incestuous relationship with the current administration? This newest tome is yet another disgraceful attempt to “appear†trustworthy, in the loop and to prove he really isn’t “SOFT†on the administration. So anything that Woodward may have done in the past is really moot.
Moot, eh? HOW ABOUT THE FACT that he went all over television (and print) with allegations that Patrick Fitzgerald was a crazed prosecutor who proceeded in a ham handed manner. HOW ABOUT THE FACT that he actually KNEW first hand who said what to whom and yet didn’t think that was an important fact to reveal to the television audiences while discussing the entire despicable mess. HOW ABOUT THE FACT that he always saves all the “good stuff†for his books, so he ends up looking good, making lots of money WHILE keeping all of the important information from the voting public while an election is pending.
Well I have written to Bobbie boy at least 3 times plus various people at the Washington Post at least 7 times on this and I think Bob’s newest book blitz in attempting to suck all of the oxygen out of the room is deserving one more final email. I will NEVER buy a book from this man EVER again!
BOYCOTT WOODWARD!
September 30th, 2006 at 4:17 pm(Smarmy idiot that he is).
Progs are doing their best to disrupt current trends, not realizing that it only accelerates their downword spiral. You are leaving yourselves no path back to majority rule, exhausting any and all goodwill you may have once had with the American people.
Sadly, there will be no viable second party in this two party system for many, many years – the baby boomers must first pass on.
September 30th, 2006 at 4:18 pmPolly+Tics. I see from your post why you would ‘I will NEVER buy a book from this man EVER again!’, and that is your right. However, it would be nice for you to prove that what he is saying in his new book is false. Your post really underlies the difference between current Progressives and Conservatives…we are interested in the facts.
We don’t care if that fact comes from Bill Clinton or Bill O’Reily. Woodward’s book is filled with facts. Sad to see that just because they are facts you don’t like, you feel the need to speak badly of him.
September 30th, 2006 at 4:44 pmThe republicans will be happy now with the power to hold and rape any person anytime and then throw away the key ????
September 30th, 2006 at 4:54 pmWoodward’s Book
By: John Amato on Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 11:13 AM – PDT
The nuggets are pouring in.
…
crooksandliars.com
oh, and you don’t need to buy the guy’s book to get the facts…
oh, and olielly does not deal in facts…
September 30th, 2006 at 4:59 pmThe republicans will be happy now…????
Comment by Tobey+Tall — September 30, 2006 @ 4:54 pm
you would think… but they always want more…
September 30th, 2006 at 5:01 pmyour first born, for starters…
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#80 – JMH,
September 30th, 2006 at 5:11 pmIf there is no viable second party in existence, where do we go? You just eliminated Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, Lieberman’s Crock of Excrement and Independents in one fell swoop. Should we import politicians from other countries? Probably a good idea, most of them are not as screwed up as the Republicans (Unless you include Kazakhstan, Iraq and Afghanistan).
just heard on AirAmericaRadio – RING OF FIRE:
September 30th, 2006 at 5:14 pmbobby’s got a new article about voting machines – rollingstone.com
…
EU-US airline data talks collapse
Talks between the United States and the European Union on transferring airline passengers information and data have broken down, according to EU officials.
After 9/11, US authorities demanded that airlines provide personal passenger data for all inbound flights.
An earlier agreement was ruled to be illegal by the highest European court. The deadline for a new deal was today.
A European Commission spokesman said that a “legal vacuum” could be created by the lack of agreement.
Airlines refusing to provide passenger lists to the US may lose landing rights but those that do risk facing legal action under EU member states’ data protection legislation.
EU Transport Commission spokesman Jonathan Todd told BBC News 24 that attempts to resolve the deadlock would continue.
“We will be discussing this at the highest political levels to see how we can take if forward. There is an imperative to sort it out sooner rather than later,” he said.
Since 2003, US authorities have requested that airlines provide passengers’ personal data to American security officials, including credit card information and telephone numbers.
Such data must be transferred to authorities within 15 minutes of a flight’s departure for the US.
This practice was deemed illegal by the European Court of Justice.
And If senators that voted for the Bushes dreadfull terror bill , can be held accountable in European courts for War Crimes too .Ha Ha Ha HA . and well as CIA ….. Dont expect many tourists in future and we will boycott your good till the end of the earth
I HAD enough goodbye everyone …………………..wish you liberal minded folks get your country back ……… be back nov 8th
September 30th, 2006 at 5:16 pmConstitutional Rights (CCR), who said that, “any Senator who voted for this bill is guilty, guilty, guilty of undermining our most basic, fundamental rights and may be guilty of war crimes as well.â€
Also guilty under Nuremburg Laws ……….goodbye Im not coming back and only if the dems win nov8th otherwaise and waste of talk time ………
September 30th, 2006 at 5:23 pmComment by Butteblack — September 30, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
Butt – The Geneva Convention is not an entity, it is a treaty. And as such it forms a framework for International War Crimes Tribunals. I agree, however with the contention that the UN could be a more effective force than it currently is. If the UN were truely effective, the genocide in Darfur would be stopped by the International Community. And Bush’s War on Iraq would have been opposed militarily by nearly every country on the planet. Yeah, if the UN were effective, the world would invade the United States for the purpose of regime change to get rid of a regime that tortures, uses weapons of mass destruction, imprisons people indefinitely without a hearing nor trial, and initiates Wars of Aggression for no justifiable reason.
Comment by Butteblack — September 30, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
I see you have already determined people guilty without a trial, and sentenced them to death. Yeah, the terrorists will understand that America is no longer the land of the free, governed by the rule of law. America is a terrorist State that tortures people into giving testimony that is then used in a Military Commission to put someone to death.
Comment by Butteblack — September 30, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
Please do. The conservatives who post here now are generally an ignorant lot. Having a discourse with one who would actually improve my education would be a refreshing change. However, in order for you to do so, I ask that you focus your efforts on conservatives who have graduated in the top 15% of their class from an ABA law school. And kindly avoid sending over conservatives who merely parrot talking points and are incapable of any form of logical thinking.
September 30th, 2006 at 5:27 pmToby, you will be missed.
Peace and Blessings on your journey.
September 30th, 2006 at 5:28 pmthis is great! …via crooksandliars:
You Might Be A Republican…
September 30th, 2006 at 5:29 pmBy: Nicole Belle @ 2:00 PM – PDT
Larry Johnson channels his inner Foxworthy with a twist.
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/09/are_you_a_repub.html
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On CNN.com:
How would you rate the performance of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld?
Good job 17% 5946 votes
Poor job 83% 29724 votes
September 30th, 2006 at 5:32 pmTotal: 35670 votes
Thanks Really I got windows to break at ASDA ….. and red paint jobs to do
I got Disneyland (Paris) in two weeks for two weeks
All the best to you enlightened Americans and may the rest find there way to the Bush Gulags … Peace
September 30th, 2006 at 5:35 pmGo read Molly Ivins.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906B.shtml
I copy the last paragraph for the trolls:
I’d like those supporting this evil bill to spare me one affliction: Do not, please, pretend to be shocked by the consequences of this legislation. And do not pretend to be shocked when the world begins comparing us to the Nazis.
September 30th, 2006 at 5:37 pmAfter careful consideration, I realize that I lack the moral bankruptcy, cowardice, and fiscal recklessness to call my self a Republican. I’ve decided, I am an American. – Larry C Johnson
Well said.
September 30th, 2006 at 5:39 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — September 30, 2006 @ 5:39 pm
i really liked that too… but all the while i kept thinking he maybe should have gone with “neoCON” instead of repub….
September 30th, 2006 at 5:44 pmeverything listed was neoCON inspired and conspired… just sayin’…
katy,
I think Republican is the proper word. If you call yourself a “conservative,” but vote in accordance with the “neo-con” agenda, the lines are blurred — it’s all the same clusterf*ck.
No free rides for the “conservatives.”
September 30th, 2006 at 5:51 pmWhen I sign in at the doctor’s office in the United States, the receptionist immediately blacks-out or lifts my name because of medical privacy laws. On the other hand, the United States government is trying to access every facet of my existence (Economic, telephonic, internet, associations and affiliations). In Europe, privacy is tantamount to one’s existence and is enforced. Now could anyone explain to me the term ‘The land of the free’?
September 30th, 2006 at 5:55 pm‘The land of the free’?
Comment by WaltTheMan
The latest version: “The land of the freedom-free.”
September 30th, 2006 at 5:57 pmzooey – i hear you… it was just a thought…
i will read molly soon, just so you know… thanks for that… she’s a gem!
September 30th, 2006 at 5:59 pmi’m chopping veggies for salsa while listening to ring of fire (dan rather is next guest) and during commercials i come in here to read and post…
i make a great fresh salsa!
i make a great fresh salsa!
Comment by katy
Yum. Spicy? The tomatoes have been great this year.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:02 pm‘The land of the free’?
Comment by WaltTheMan
Only in specific zones.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:02 pmOnly in specific zones.
Comment by Juan+C
Yes, the zones where GWB’s “base” live — if they behave properly.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:09 pmif they behave properly.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:11 pmComment by Zooey
So…theres not free speech.
How are you doing, Zoo? MIssed you…all. :)
Except for the whole destruction of the United States thing going on right now, Juan, I’m doing well.
What have you been up to lately? We’ve missed you, too.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:16 pmWhat have you been up to lately? We’ve missed you, too.
Comment by Zooey
Busy. Ive been working in my Master´s final project, and recently working in a Buddhist Temple. I practice Aikido there. Busy. Hows the wheat burning?
September 30th, 2006 at 6:19 pmHows the wheat burning?
Comment by Juan+C
Stopped for now, because it’s too windy. Yay! The leaves are turning red and gold, and will start falling any day now. Then, if we’re lucky — snow!
September 30th, 2006 at 6:28 pm#15
Mr. “Jason M. Hendler”
Your problems with severe constipation continue to plague you.
This should help relieve you of some of the “discomfort” caused by your condition.
Re: your comment – ” Reps (republicans) are more than happy to police their own and boot him out. “
Yes – about a full year later and only once they apparently realized they could not get away with it.
Re: the other crap comment – “Dems just lie and deny, trying to keep in power the black Congressmen who had $90,000 in cash in his freezer.
1. On May 4, 2006, Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) both stated that Jefferson should be investigated by the House ethics committee.
2. On May 24, Nancy Pelosi also called on Jefferson to resign his post on the House Committee on Ways and Means.
It is true that there were strong objections from the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC). But these objections were not universal within the CBC.
“According to a June 13 report by the Milwaukee Courier Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) made a motion to have Jefferson stripped from his seat on the House Committee on Ways and Means. The sources also reported that former CBC Chairwoman Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) spoke against Jefferson in the committee meeting. In addition, they noted that Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), ranking member on the House Committee on Ways and Means, accepted a request from Pelosi to try and convince Jefferson to voluntarily forfeit his committee seat. The attempt, however, was unsuccessful.”
3. On June 15, 2006 the Democratic Caucus finally voted 99-58 to have Jefferson removed from his seat on the committee. It is believed that Lewis and Rangel, and possibly Johnson, supported the measure.
4. In September 2006, however, several former House leaders argued that the search of Jefferson’s office was unconstitutional. One of them was Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.).
Jason, you should really see a doctor about this chronic constipation thing.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:32 pmJason, you should really see a doctor about this chronic constipation thing.
Comment by Triumph
He likes it.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:41 pmspicy? sometimes more than others…
September 30th, 2006 at 6:41 pmmy brother wanted my recipe – ha! – i’ve never measured anything before, just dump it in, so i had to go throught the motions with a cereal bowl, then transfer to a measuring cup/spoon… but i got it!
oops… looks like this batch has a tiny bit of fingernail in it! no charge!
i used to HATE tomatoes… wouldn’t eat one to save my life… then i learned to cook when my kids grew up and left home :-]
…this recipe uses 1 each of the different color bell peppers and 3-4 roma tomatoes… my daughter’s mexican friend says it needs more tomatoes – i told him he could add them himself! ;-)
…but it’s goo-ood! …so sorry, off topic…
Then, if we’re lucky — snow!
Comment by Zooey
You know one theory that is held to describe why I World Countries are I World countries is their climate. In general, I World Countries have really lasting and crude winters; therefore, for people to survive, they have organize themselves in order to built proper conditions for living, food, energy, supplies, etc, whereas in countries where climates are more benign (within the tropicus belt), warmer and humid, people tend to be static, joyful and lazy. I guess there is some true in all that. But I love our beaches here… :)
September 30th, 2006 at 6:49 pmJuan,
That’s how civilization got it’s start — the cavewoman looked at the caveman, shivered, and said “I’m cold…”
:-)
There’s a lot to be said for static, joyful and lazy…
September 30th, 2006 at 6:52 pmkaty,
All tomatoes bought in a store are disgusting. Only home grown are good. Luckily my co-workers all have gardens, and bring in tomatoes, cucumbers, and zucchini. This is my last year with no tomato plants. I’m getting a couple containers for my deck, and I’ll put in a couple different types of small tomatoes. It’s good for the soul…
September 30th, 2006 at 7:00 pmStopped for now, because it’s too windy. Yay! The leaves are turning red and gold, and will start falling any day now. Then, if we’re lucky — snow!
Comment by Zooey — September 30, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
Really? I was finally able to turn off the a/c today… Though it might be 89 a couple days next week… Summer and Fall like to mess with us this time of year.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:11 pmwhere climates are more benign (within the tropicus belt), warmer and humid, people tend to be static, joyful and lazy.
Comment by Juan+C — September 30, 2006 @ 6:49 pm
You guys live a lot longer too : )
September 30th, 2006 at 7:14 pmI am from a country whose politivians are considered corrupt and incomptent. But, they look like 100 times better than some in Bush administration.(may be all of them).
In one of our state elections, the ruling party was booted out as could not catch a common bandit in 5 years. And I am watching here Bush & party winning all possible elections and OBL& gangs still at large.
I am amazed at the lack of accountability in the political system here .
Can somebody explain to me the mental capacity of the people who voted for this presidency again ? Are they morons? Plain stupid? or something else??
With $$s spent on Iraq war, US could have eliminated Anti US feelings in those countries for ages to come!!.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:18 pm#118 – KingKong,
September 30th, 2006 at 9:02 pmYou are very astute. I am from a country where 67% of the inhabitants have never left their city of birth. Of those, another 67% have never left this country. I, my spouse, my children, and, God bless her, my mother-in-law are not in that group. The feedback that I get from my Asian, Russian and European friends is a one of disgrace for ‘our’ (Bush’s) policies.
Progs are doing their best to disrupt current trends, not realizing that it only accelerates their downword spiral. -JMH
Why do you still speak in your backward dialect Jason?
The current trend of this administration is corruption, lies, fomented wars, deaths of tens of thousands, redink out the wazzoo, pedophelia, war mongering, and war profiteering, a unitary executive that wants to destroy the constitution.
and that only accelerates the downward spiral?
Tell us how, Irony man, exactly how fighting corruption and fighting to keep our democracy, and it’s checks and balances, hastens this ‘downward spiral’?
I find it hard to believe that any person, even you, can continue to be an apologetic for the current administration. Either your one gullible fool or one nefarious SOB that doesn’t give a whit about America or it’s people.
So which is it Jason, are you as corrupt as them or are on the Bush payroll? You remind of someone that would sell out all of mankind for a few dollars.
Now explain, without your hegelian dialectic, exactly how the Bush administration isn’t a ‘downward spiral’ of corruption and incompetence.
September 30th, 2006 at 9:04 pm#6 JMH
Yes, keep focusing on issues that play to Republican strengths, you cut and run cowards.
Yeah, the problem with that flaccid little epithet, Jason, is that it just doesn’t have any effect anymore. We’re “cut and run cowards” just like Abizaid, Murtha, all the generals, the troops who are fighting and dying over there, and a vast and growing majority of Americans are. “Play to Republican strengths?” What strengths? Bald-faced lying? Pedophilia? Gay prostitution? What strengths do you have?
Jason, you’re one of the “stay the course imbeciles”, led by cowards who have never served and never had the courage or the love of country to serve. You guys are swirling around the drain and we won’t be hearing your annoying, lying, pathetic little voices much longer. So long.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:25 pm#80 JMH
Progs are doing their best to disrupt current trends, not realizing that it only accelerates their downword spiral. You are leaving yourselves no path back to majority rule, exhausting any and all goodwill you may have once had with the American people.
Sadly, there will be no viable second party in this two party system for many, many years – the baby boomers must first pass on.
Hey, it’s Baghdad Bob! You know, Bob…er Jason, if I were you I’d start wearing a hardhat, because the roof is beginning to cave in on the Republican party. I know you think Karl Rove is a wizard and that he’s going to pull some funny stuff to squeak out another win for you guys in November. But, I don’t think he can counter all the bad shit that’s coming down now for the Republicans. And, believe me, it’s just getting started.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:38 pmAt 4:44PM wow wrote:
Wow: Woodward’s book probably IS true, that is not what is being discussed. What IS being discussed is the fact that this is a man whom we once put on a pedestal during the times of Watergate and somewhere between then and now our dear boy has become lost and entangled in money, power and egotism gone wild. I have bought most of his books, even the last two (shudder) and have been getting more and more disgusted with his “brand†of journalism.
The last straw for me was his participation in the Valerie Plame affair. Betraying the trust and covert CIA identity of an agent is treasonous and his active braying around the television and print world that Pat Fitzgerald was just an overzealous crazed prosecutor gone wild pushed me over the edge. THEN we find out that HE, Bob Woodward, actually may have been the first one who heard the actual outing, knowing the Bush official who had spoken and that this bit of information WAS WITHELD during his many televised rants.
DO YOU NOT THINK that behavior is dishonest and disgraceful? DO YOU NOT THINK that the timing of all of this sudden “turn†in his political leanings is just a bit suspicious? DO YOU NOT THINK that his motivation is NOT for the edification of the public, but to his more base needs of making more money, prestige and building up a legacy that took a major hit during the entire Plame outing?
Well WOW, if you want to call names because you don’t like another poster’s take on affairs of our nation, that is your “rightâ€, but I think I would prefer to stick to discussing the issues so that we may all someday get out of the terrible state that our beloved country has currently found itself. The point of the post was to comment on the suspicious nature of this man’s actions and not the facts and content of his book.
September 30th, 2006 at 11:43 pmBOYCOTT WOODWARD!
Read his book online, in public libraries or if you must, borrow a friend’s copy.
October 1st, 2006 at 6:51 am“DO YOU NOT THINK that his motivation is NOT for the edification of the public, but to his more base needs of making more money, prestige and building up a legacy”
“stick to discussing the issues so that we may all someday get out of the terrible state that our beloved country has currently found itself.”
Good Words by Polly Tics.
Visit 911mysteries.com and or search for loose change on youtube.com
Republicans currently in office are LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS and corrupt scary people OR Maybe they are all being black mailed. They seem to all be in something together and each scared to speak up.
We need to stand strong for GOD, GOODNESS, TRUTH, HONESTY, HUMANE ACTIONS, LIBERTY AND FOR OUR GREAT AMERICAN COUNTRY.
Get the LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS out of office. Let’s stand together to SAVE AMERICA. SEEK THE TRUTH. Fool us once NOT twice.
Remeber to be good and practice random acts of kindness.
God loves us all.
October 6th, 2006 at 11:59 pmDO YOU NOT THINK that his motivation is NOT for the edification of the public, but to his more base needs of making more money, prestige and building up a legacyâ€
“stick to discussing the issues so that we may all someday get out of the terrible state that our beloved country has currently found itself.â€
Good Words by Polly Tics.
I MEANT GOOD COMMENTS, SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BUSH.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:02 am“DO YOU NOT THINK that his motivation is NOT for the edification of the public, but to his more base needs of making more money, prestige and building up a legacyâ€
“stick to discussing the issues so that we may all someday get out of the terrible state that our beloved country has currently found itself.â€
Good Words by Polly Tics.
I MEANT “GOOD COMMENTS, SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE DESCRIBING BUSH”
October 7th, 2006 at 12:04 am“DO YOU NOT THINK that his motivation is NOT for the edification of the public, but to his more base needs of making more money, prestige and building up a legacyâ€
“stick to discussing the issues so that we may all someday get out of the terrible state that our beloved country has currently found itself.â€
Good Words by Polly Tics.
I MEANT, ” GOOD COMMENTS, SEEMS LIKE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT BUSH”
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